Full Transcript for Charmed with Patrick Gomez

air right after school, 39 00:02:18.560 --> 00:02:23.360 USA High and Surf in USA. I think that second 40 00:02:23.400 --> 00:02:25.599 title is correct. I know USA High is correct. I 41 00:02:25.639 --> 00:02:27.319 got to meet one of the actresses from it at 42 00:02:27.319 --> 00:02:29.879 Comic Com this year, and I was geeking out because 43 00:02:29.879 --> 00:02:32.000 she's one of the voices on the original Avatar the 44 00:02:32.080 --> 00:02:36.039 Last Airbender series. Okay, I was geeking out anyway it 45 00:02:36.039 --> 00:02:39.159 would come on, I believe right after that, and I 46 00:02:39.199 --> 00:02:43.919 just fell in love with the characters. I am very 47 00:02:44.000 --> 00:02:45.680 much a gay man, but kind of had a crash 48 00:02:45.680 --> 00:02:51.159 on Alyssa Milano and because you have a pulse, yes, exactly, 49 00:02:52.319 --> 00:02:55.960 and I fell in love with it. And I think 50 00:02:56.080 --> 00:02:59.520 part of it was to get, you know, into the 51 00:02:59.560 --> 00:03:04.599 psychology of it. I was figuring out myself at the 52 00:03:04.639 --> 00:03:09.439 time and was more effeminate than was the masculine standard 53 00:03:10.080 --> 00:03:13.840 in Texas. In Texas, but really anywhere this was, you know, 54 00:03:13.919 --> 00:03:17.800 the late nineties, metrosexual hadn't even become a thing that 55 00:03:17.840 --> 00:03:21.560 people were talking about. Everyone was very much manly men 56 00:03:21.759 --> 00:03:23.960 or are you know, a certain way, And just. 57 00:03:23.919 --> 00:03:26.439 To point out, you weren't in Manhattan correct, where it 58 00:03:27.199 --> 00:03:29.280 might have been more embraced. 59 00:03:29.560 --> 00:03:32.080 Yes, And so I think that there was something really 60 00:03:32.120 --> 00:03:39.520 powerful to see these women exerting their their power and 61 00:03:39.599 --> 00:03:45.159 yet also their femininity and being taken seriously. At most 62 00:03:45.159 --> 00:03:47.240 times they have to fight for it, but that being 63 00:03:47.280 --> 00:03:51.599 taken seriously and being considered very powerful. And I think, 64 00:03:51.879 --> 00:03:53.599 you know, if I'm looking back, that wasn't something I 65 00:03:53.599 --> 00:03:56.639 was processing at the time, but I now think that 66 00:03:56.639 --> 00:03:58.199 that's the case. And then of course you get the 67 00:03:58.199 --> 00:04:02.000 same thing with the Power Rangers or Disney princesses or 68 00:04:02.000 --> 00:04:04.560 Aladdin or any of them, where it's you know, it's 69 00:04:04.639 --> 00:04:06.960 these people that were living these regular lives and then 70 00:04:06.960 --> 00:04:10.560 are thrust into realizing that they were meant for something 71 00:04:10.599 --> 00:04:12.919 greater and being part of the greater good. 72 00:04:13.360 --> 00:04:17.040 And they're the heroes of their own story exactly, which 73 00:04:17.279 --> 00:04:21.680 is always inspiring no matter who you are. But when

74 00:04:21.720 --> 00:04:26.399 you are feeling like you're in a tumultuous place emotionally 75 00:04:26.519 --> 00:04:29.480 or you don't know your place in school or wherever, 76 00:04:29.920 --> 00:04:32.959 these are the stories I'm learning that just inspired nerds 77 00:04:33.000 --> 00:04:34.800 to fall in love exactly. 78 00:04:34.879 --> 00:04:37.360 And I mean, look, it started in nineteen ninety eight, 79 00:04:37.480 --> 00:04:39.639 which was kind of the height like all of the 80 00:04:39.680 --> 00:04:42.399 girls at school at the time were you know, oh 81 00:04:42.439 --> 00:04:45.000 I'm a witch now, you know, I mean like witchcraft, 82 00:04:45.000 --> 00:04:47.720 like the craft was out. It was around, you know, 83 00:04:47.879 --> 00:04:51.720 practical magic, Buffy, all of that, and so this I 84 00:04:51.759 --> 00:04:55.800 didn't I miss the boat on all of those, and 85 00:04:56.040 --> 00:04:58.480 Charmed was just the one that I caught it right 86 00:04:58.759 --> 00:05:00.759 right on the wave. So I think there was also 87 00:05:00.800 --> 00:05:03.800 a little bit of that where you know, which which 88 00:05:03.879 --> 00:05:08.199 culture and that sort of thing was was big, and 89 00:05:08.279 --> 00:05:10.759 this was the one I latched onto from all of that. 90 00:05:11.160 --> 00:05:14.480 Well, I am very much a gay man and I'm 91 00:05:14.519 --> 00:05:17.519 hot for a Lissa Milano, So there you go. She 92 00:05:18.519 --> 00:05:23.439 is stunning. It's frustrating. The pilot is called something Wika 93 00:05:23.600 --> 00:05:28.879 This Way Comes and the storyline is reunited in the 94 00:05:28.920 --> 00:05:32.959 grand Victorian house of their childhood, a trio of sisters, Prue, 95 00:05:33.000 --> 00:05:36.639 Piper and Phoebe Hallowell discover they are gifted witches. Little 96 00:05:36.639 --> 00:05:39.120 do they know that their newfound powers mean that they 97 00:05:39.120 --> 00:05:42.600 are now prey to evil forces. It is such a 98 00:05:42.720 --> 00:05:49.920 clean pilot. It is well constructed, funny, sexy sets up 99 00:05:50.600 --> 00:05:55.000 the world so easily. Really, from the moment we see 100 00:05:55.000 --> 00:05:58.759 the sisters, we get it and I find that impressive. 101 00:05:59.759 --> 00:06:02.120 Glad you liked it, and and they it got picked up. 102 00:06:02.519 --> 00:06:03.959 Part of it was a cost saving measure, but it 103 00:06:04.040 --> 00:06:06.920 got picked up off of just like a twenty minute 104 00:06:09.120 --> 00:06:11.040 teaser is not the right word. But they didn't do 105 00:06:11.199 --> 00:06:13.680 a film, a full pilot. They filmed a twenty minute 106 00:06:13.680 --> 00:06:18.279 sort of experience, the kind of you highlights, Yes, proof 107 00:06:18.319 --> 00:06:22.360 of concept, and it was it was picked up based 108 00:06:22.399 --> 00:06:22.680 on that. 109 00:06:23.439 --> 00:06:24.839 Was that the one with Lori Rahm. 110 00:06:25.160 --> 00:06:28.680 It was

Lori ram was originally cast as as Phoebe 111 00:06:29.879 --> 00:06:34.040 An actually fun fact Aaron Spelling, who was, you know, 112 00:06:34.120 --> 00:06:40.879 the executive producer behind the series. He originally wanted Shannon 113 00:06:40.920 --> 00:06:44.000 Doherty to play the middle sister, Piper, and Holly red 114 00:06:44.040 --> 00:06:46.839 Combs to play the younger sister, Phoebe, and they had 115 00:06:46.839 --> 00:06:50.040 to literally show him because they grew up on screen. Obviously, 116 00:06:50.040 --> 00:06:53.560 Shannon had done Beverly Hills nine two one oher Hally 117 00:06:53.600 --> 00:06:56.160 red Combs had been on Picket Fences, so he watched 118 00:06:56.199 --> 00:06:58.920 them grow up on screen and he was like, no, no, no, 119 00:06:58.920 --> 00:07:00.839 you're not the right ages for the older sister and 120 00:07:00.879 --> 00:07:03.199 the middle sister. And they had to literally Hollywood comes 121 00:07:03.240 --> 00:07:04.800 has said that she literally had They had to bring 122 00:07:04.800 --> 00:07:07.560 out their IDs and show him that they were old 123 00:07:07.680 --> 00:07:09.800 enough to play those two characters. And they felt that 124 00:07:09.839 --> 00:07:12.240 those were the ones that they should play because they 125 00:07:12.240 --> 00:07:15.480 were really good friends. Hillary also has a story where 126 00:07:15.800 --> 00:07:18.720 she was got in the car with Channon to go somewhere. 127 00:07:18.759 --> 00:07:21.160 She saw the script in the back seat and she 128 00:07:21.240 --> 00:07:22.519 was like, oh my god, have you read it yet? 129 00:07:22.519 --> 00:07:24.759 Because she fell in love with it and and Shannon 130 00:07:24.800 --> 00:07:27.519 jo was like, no, it's a Spelling production, Spelling production, 131 00:07:27.639 --> 00:07:29.519 and of course they had, you know, she left nine 132 00:07:29.600 --> 00:07:31.720 or two and O with a lot of drama, and 133 00:07:31.759 --> 00:07:34.079 she was like, I'll never be considered for it, and 134 00:07:34.199 --> 00:07:35.680 Holly Marie had to tell her. She was like, they 135 00:07:35.720 --> 00:07:38.000 sent it to you for a reason, obviously, so they 136 00:07:38.040 --> 00:07:40.680 want you. And then you know the rest is at 137 00:07:40.759 --> 00:07:42.759 least we'll get into that, but at least three seasons 138 00:07:42.759 --> 00:07:43.240 of history. 139 00:07:43.920 --> 00:07:46.800 I really don't get the love for Shannon Alherty as 140 00:07:46.800 --> 00:07:52.560 an actress, and knowing she's difficult, you know, and tends 141 00:07:52.600 --> 00:07:56.839 to self sabotage all the jobs she got, I never understood. 142 00:07:56.839 --> 00:07:58.560 I don't think she's a very good actress, is what 143 00:07:58.600 --> 00:08:00.759 I'm saying. And I'm sorry that upsets you. 144 00:08:01.120 --> 00:08:03.680 It doesn't upset me. I don't know that I ever 145 00:08:04.199 --> 00:08:07.199 loved Charmed for the acting in general. Not to say 146 00:08:07.199 --> 00:08:10.759 that everyone on it was horrible, but but you know, 147 00:08:10.920 --> 00:08:15.480 I found the show intentionally a little cheesy, and I 148 00:08:15.560 --> 00:08:22.279 found her I would say flatness to kind of work 149 00:08:22.360 --> 00:08:26.040 and counteract that. But I don't disagree with anything you're saying. 150 00:08:26.439 --> 00:08:28.920 I think you kind of I found ways to justify 151 00:08:29.399 --> 00:08:31.600 why maybe some of her acting was the way that it. 152 00:08:31.600 --> 00:08:34.240 Was so in your second time on my podcast, I 153 00:08:34.320 --> 00:08:39.159 like that you're not disagreeing. You know the rules here. 154 00:08:39.440 --> 00:08:41.200 Oh, I mean it's any time I'm with Mandy. 155 00:08:41.320 --> 00:08:42.759 No. 156 00:08:42.759 --> 00:08:45.000 No, I certainly would not be afraid to defend her 157 00:08:45.000 --> 00:08:47.519 if I felt otherwise. But no, this is a show 158 00:08:47.559 --> 00:08:50.879 you watch for the for the fun and and the 159 00:08:50.879 --> 00:08:52.600 effects and the silliness for sure. 160 00:08:53.200 --> 00:08:56.279 Okay, so you said cheesy. I found this way less 161 00:08:56.399 --> 00:08:57.759 cheesy than I thought I would. 162 00:08:58.120 --> 00:09:02.120 Well, okay, the pilot, Yes, I think I think this 163 00:09:02.200 --> 00:09:03.480 show gets a little. 164 00:09:03.279 --> 00:09:06.799 All the ones I watched, I thought it would be 165 00:09:06.879 --> 00:09:10.559 campier and like, oh boy, I didn't find it that way. 166 00:09:10.960 --> 00:09:13.320 For those of you that have not watched Charmed. For Mandy, 167 00:09:13.360 --> 00:09:15.840 I chose episodes that were really important to the plot 168 00:09:15.879 --> 00:09:17.600 because I felt like it kind of gave you the 169 00:09:17.600 --> 00:09:22.000 grand scope of the story of the series. That being said, Mandy, 170 00:09:22.159 --> 00:09:25.200 there are episodes where they end up in an alternate 171 00:09:25.279 --> 00:09:29.559 universe that's like a film noir and it's narrated by 172 00:09:29.639 --> 00:09:33.320 a character and there's crazy things happening. Or there's another 173 00:09:33.360 --> 00:09:35.360 one where they end up in like a fairy land, 174 00:09:35.600 --> 00:09:39.080 or it's all a musical like. There's certainly those episodes, 175 00:09:39.120 --> 00:09:41.440 but those are more, you know, one off sort of 176 00:09:41.480 --> 00:09:44.240 where it's a little bit more episodic. I chose the 177 00:09:44.240 --> 00:09:46.600 ones that were more serial and serious for sure, but 178 00:09:47.000 --> 00:09:48.919 it was it was very fun and silly. I might 179 00:09:48.960 --> 00:09:51.399 have to send you over a few clips just to 180 00:09:51.559 --> 00:09:53.000 show you how silly it could get. 181 00:09:53.399 --> 00:09:57.000 Those sound like fun and I always appreciate those episodes 182 00:09:57.120 -->

00:09:59.759 when you know, like on Hot and Cleveland they didn't 183 00:09:59.840 --> 00:10:02.679 end and made a musical or I love a departure 184 00:10:02.799 --> 00:10:06.240 like that. There is a lot of soap opera crossover 185 00:10:06.399 --> 00:10:09.559 in the casting. Is it the same casting director as 186 00:10:10.039 --> 00:10:12.320 Days of Our Lives or so? 187 00:10:12.480 --> 00:10:15.720 I think most of all, they've said that there is 188 00:10:15.759 --> 00:10:19.200 something called the spelling jaw, particularly when it comes to men, 189 00:10:20.360 --> 00:10:22.559 and like the hair like. He was very particular with 190 00:10:22.600 --> 00:10:24.399 who he wanted cast, and a lot of that all 191 00:10:24.440 --> 00:10:28.039 lines with the soap opera aesthetic. So I think that 192 00:10:28.039 --> 00:10:31.519 that's why you were seeing a lot of it. But 193 00:10:31.559 --> 00:10:36.759 he also likes to pull from his past projects, which 194 00:10:37.200 --> 00:10:39.799 you know, some of the people that he potentially was 195 00:10:39.840 --> 00:10:42.559 going to cast for other roles in the show, he 196 00:10:42.679 --> 00:10:44.879 continued to go back to people that he'd worked with 197 00:10:44.879 --> 00:10:46.279 on nine O two and zero or some of his 198 00:10:46.360 --> 00:10:48.960 other series. He kind of he was like an early 199 00:10:49.320 --> 00:10:51.600 Ryan Murphy where he kind of had this repertoire of 200 00:10:51.639 --> 00:10:54.360 actors that once he once he liked you, you were in. 201 00:10:55.679 --> 00:10:57.960 Like I said, even Shannon, if she went through drama, 202 00:10:58.080 --> 00:10:59.639 she was back in a few years later. 203 00:11:00.080 --> 00:11:04.000 Yeah, well that's nice. I like that kind of loyalty. Yeah. 204 00:11:04.039 --> 00:11:06.919 This was the biggest premiere for the WB ever. 205 00:11:07.399 --> 00:11:09.639 And they did not They did not, not that they 206 00:11:09.639 --> 00:11:12.320 didn't want to support it, but the WB was a 207 00:11:12.360 --> 00:11:17.120 fledgling network and obviously didn't it's not around anymore. They 208 00:11:17.120 --> 00:11:21.240 confined with UPN to become the CWU, and they only 209 00:11:21.279 --> 00:11:24.720 had enough money to put advertising behind one show a 210 00:11:24.799 --> 00:11:28.960 year and one new show a year, and it was 211 00:11:28.960 --> 00:11:33.080 felicity for this premiere and so charmed. They kind of 212 00:11:33.080 --> 00:11:35.399 were just like, we'll see. They had didn't even give 213 00:11:35.399 --> 00:11:37.080 it a full season pickup, and then all of a 214 00:11:37.080 --> 00:11:41.039 sudden it came out and just exploded and the rest 215 00:11:42.360 --> 00:11:43.200 the rest came to be. 216 00:11:43.919 --> 00:11:48.639 Well, I imagine it has huge international appeal and rerun appeal, and. 217 00:11:48.679 --> 00:11:51.799 It translates, translates very well, and you can like as 218 00:11:51.840 -->

00:11:53.440 much as as much as like I said, I gave 219 00:11:53.480 --> 00:11:56.320 you the very serial episodes to watch. There was a 220 00:11:56.320 --> 00:11:58.600 lot of episodic nature to it. So you could pop 221 00:11:58.679 --> 00:12:01.279 in pop out, like like I came into it, you know, 222 00:12:01.559 --> 00:12:07.720 I remember waiting because this was back in the late nineties, 223 00:12:07.799 --> 00:12:12.720 before you know TiVo or or streaming that you could 224 00:12:12.720 --> 00:12:15.799 find things that at your fingertips. I remember because if 225 00:12:15.840 --> 00:12:17.720 you watched Charms, they would air it in the morning 226 00:12:17.759 --> 00:12:20.159 and in the afternoon. I think two episodes in the morning, 227 00:12:20.240 --> 00:12:22.720 two episodes in the afternoon, and they were on different cycles, 228 00:12:22.759 --> 00:12:25.679 like one was, you know, halfway through season two and 229 00:12:25.720 --> 00:12:28.240 the other was partially through season one, and they would 230 00:12:28.279 --> 00:12:31.960 just kind of start over once once they got to 231 00:12:32.000 --> 00:12:34.279 the wherever the most recent episode had been. And I 232 00:12:34.320 --> 00:12:36.919 remember like calculating when to tune in to watch the 233 00:12:36.960 --> 00:12:39.679 pilot because I'd never seen it. I'd started like a 234 00:12:39.679 --> 00:12:42.639 couple episodes in, and I remember being very excited the 235 00:12:42.639 --> 00:12:45.440 first time I got to watch the very first episode. 236 00:12:45.639 --> 00:12:51.799 That's adorable. I'm just picturing a young struggling with your 237 00:12:51.799 --> 00:12:54.679 identity Patrick just flipping for this show. 238 00:12:54.759 --> 00:12:58.320 Also super super pop culture TV NERD, like sitting there like, Okay, 239 00:12:58.320 --> 00:13:00.240 they're out of this episode, and then three weeks and 240 00:13:00.279 --> 00:13:02.519 then they'll probably take a day off her labor day. 241 00:13:03.080 --> 00:13:07.840 It was Oh I love you, Yes, let's talk about 242 00:13:07.879 --> 00:13:12.440 Lori Rahm and the unaired pilot. She left because of 243 00:13:12.480 --> 00:13:14.399 religious reasons. Did I read that right? 244 00:13:14.960 --> 00:13:17.639 You know, it's always been a little unclear. I would 245 00:13:17.720 --> 00:13:22.320 venture to guess, because it's so unclear that she either 246 00:13:24.480 --> 00:13:28.399 wasn't getting along with someone or didn't test well enough. 247 00:13:28.480 --> 00:13:31.919 Once people started to see the twenty minute proof of concept, 248 00:13:32.679 --> 00:13:37.200 because if you ask some people, she left because she 249 00:13:37.279 --> 00:13:39.799 didn't her schedule wasn't like everyone gives enough of a 250 00:13:39.840 --> 00:13:42.759 weird answer that I feel like the answer was actually 251 00:13:42.840 --> 00:13:47.840 that she didn't test well. They wanted someone else, And Okay. 252 00:13:47.600 --> 00:13:50.480 I read religious reasons, but I will give you you 253 00:13:50.600 --> 00:13:54.000 a fun fact. She is married to my tax guy. 254 00:13:54.399 --> 00:13:57.679 Oh well, then you could you could figure it out finally, 255 00:13:57.919 --> 00:14:02.000 all these years later, maybe get the big scoop. But yes, 256 00:14:02.200 --> 00:14:04.519 I've heard multiple stories over the year. I also know 257 00:14:04.600 --> 00:14:09.039 that Aaron had wanted a list of Milano and Right, 258 00:14:09.519 --> 00:14:12.759 and that the network said, we'll give you two of 259 00:14:12.799 --> 00:14:14.720 the three, but we get to cast the third. And 260 00:14:14.799 --> 00:14:19.559 so he chose Shannon and Holly Mary Combs, and so 261 00:14:19.600 --> 00:14:23.039 they were like, well, we're going to cast this third sister. 262 00:14:24.200 --> 00:14:27.759 And then so I wanted to say that Aaron probably 263 00:14:27.799 --> 00:14:29.399 found a way to be like, you know what, that's 264 00:14:29.440 --> 00:14:31.200 not working, let's go with someone else, and then wait 265 00:14:31.279 --> 00:14:34.039 until the last second. And apparently she came in like 266 00:14:34.279 --> 00:14:35.120 very last minute. 267 00:14:36.000 --> 00:14:38.399 Well they had to do a bunch of reshoots and 268 00:14:38.720 --> 00:14:39.039 well they. 269 00:14:39.039 --> 00:14:41.120 Only filmed twenty minutes, so they had to film the 270 00:14:41.159 --> 00:14:42.000 rest of the episode too. 271 00:14:42.279 --> 00:14:45.559 But you can tell Shannon Doherty's hair just changes so much. 272 00:14:45.720 --> 00:14:49.279 It's a wig sometimes sometimes it's real. The style changes, 273 00:14:49.320 --> 00:14:50.919 the length changes, it's intense. 274 00:14:51.159 --> 00:14:53.840 On the DVD, you can watch the twenty minute and 275 00:14:53.879 --> 00:14:57.960 it's very interesting. Her take on Piper on Phoebe is 276 00:14:58.000 --> 00:15:05.360 a little less Ditzie's not the right word. She played 277 00:15:05.360 --> 00:15:07.320 her a little more like the other two sisters, a 278 00:15:07.360 --> 00:15:10.960 little stronger, and I think the dynamic, particularly the beginning 279 00:15:11.000 --> 00:15:14.159 of Phoebe being a little bit more of the like younger. 280 00:15:14.200 --> 00:15:18.559 I'm the younger sister plays a little bit better. Yeah. 281 00:15:18.600 --> 00:15:22.759 I liked all three of them, and I liked that 282 00:15:22.799 --> 00:15:27.759 it danced tonally between really intriguing and suspenseful, a little 283 00:15:27.840 --> 00:15:33.360 cheesy soap opera, some comedy. It's it's hard to qualify 284 00:15:33.519 --> 00:15:36.120 and put in a genre which makes it really fun. 285 00:15:36.960 --> 00:15:40.120 They certainly dance through all of that. I also, yeah, 286 00:15:40.159 --> 00:15:44.559 it's like rewatching it, like you know, somebody around them 287 00:15:44.600 --> 00:15:46.799 is being shady obviously, but it

could have been any 288 00:15:46.879 --> 00:15:49.200 of them. Like anytime there's like a guy that says something, 289 00:15:49.240 --> 00:15:52.320 you're like, h like that doesn't sound right, which I 290 00:15:52.360 --> 00:15:54.360 thought was was really really great. One of the other 291 00:15:54.720 --> 00:15:59.799 interesting things is one Aaron Spelling had to promise that 292 00:15:59.840 --> 00:16:02.440 the was about these women, like they didn't want any 293 00:16:02.919 --> 00:16:08.320 male characters really at least at the start. And a 294 00:16:08.399 --> 00:16:11.320 character that will meet later, Leo they had to sneak 295 00:16:11.320 --> 00:16:13.559 in on episode three, is like a handyman and they 296 00:16:13.600 --> 00:16:16.919 already knew where he was going as a character, but 297 00:16:16.960 --> 00:16:18.879 they didn't tell the network. They were like, oh, yeah, 298 00:16:18.879 --> 00:16:21.200 it's just this handyman that's doing some stuff around the house. 299 00:16:22.200 --> 00:16:24.120 He'll have a couple of lines, and then like they 300 00:16:24.159 --> 00:16:26.879 just kept writing him in and then like slowly revealed 301 00:16:26.879 --> 00:16:28.519 to the network that like, nope, we've got all these 302 00:16:28.519 --> 00:16:29.840 plans and sorry, it's a guy. 303 00:16:30.480 --> 00:16:35.440 Wow. He he is not my favorite. I found Leo 304 00:16:35.639 --> 00:16:37.799 just to be one note, you know that he's just 305 00:16:37.960 --> 00:16:40.320 like I'll go to the underworld and see what I 306 00:16:40.320 --> 00:16:43.759 can do. That's all He says in the episodes I saw, so. 307 00:16:44.519 --> 00:16:47.399 You know there's there's episodes where him where he shined 308 00:16:47.519 --> 00:16:49.840 was his love story with Piper, the middle sister. 309 00:16:50.960 --> 00:16:54.440 Yeah, which I didn't see. But fun fact about the pilot, 310 00:16:54.879 --> 00:16:58.799 an actor named Eric Scott Woods was uncomfortable saying bitch, 311 00:16:59.759 --> 00:17:02.279 so so the crew dubbed the word in with a 312 00:17:02.279 --> 00:17:06.240 different actor's voice. But it's the same. It's one time 313 00:17:06.400 --> 00:17:09.039 they got somebody to go bitch and then they just 314 00:17:09.160 --> 00:17:12.559 used that bitch no matter what this actor was doing. 315 00:17:13.680 --> 00:17:16.720 And it's so it's it's funny that it sounds exactly 316 00:17:16.759 --> 00:17:18.440 the same. So I got to notice. 317 00:17:18.119 --> 00:17:21.559 That it's like it's like their Wilhelm scream. The what 318 00:17:22.039 --> 00:17:24.960 it's like the Wilhelm scream. It's this scream that was 319 00:17:25.000 --> 00:17:29.240 recorded for like early days of filmmaking. It's this man 320 00:17:29.359 --> 00:17:33.200 just going oh something like that. And if you listen, 321 00:17:33.240 --> 00:17:36.599 if you listen to basically any if you you can 322 00:17:36.640 --> 00:17:40.960 hear it basically any

Spielberg or George Lucas movie. A 323 00:17:41.000 --> 00:17:43.839 lot of people reuse this. It's kind of an inside joke. 324 00:17:43.960 --> 00:17:45.240 Now you are. 325 00:17:45.200 --> 00:17:47.480 Such a nerd very much, so. 326 00:17:49.079 --> 00:17:52.279 All right, well that's the pilot that the pilot brought 327 00:17:52.319 --> 00:17:55.119 to you by Midriff. They are all wearing will. 328 00:17:55.000 --> 00:17:57.160 Crop tops throughout will croptops. 329 00:17:57.319 --> 00:17:59.680 And there is so much you know when I go 330 00:17:59.720 --> 00:18:01.799 on like the wiki fandom to see. 331 00:18:01.880 --> 00:18:06.119 Or the Wicca fandom, Uh huh you've been there. 332 00:18:07.279 --> 00:18:11.720 Uh, there's so much about the powers and the spells 333 00:18:11.799 --> 00:18:13.839 and the terms. Do you know if it's any of 334 00:18:13.880 --> 00:18:16.960 it is actual WICCA stuff or were they just making 335 00:18:17.000 --> 00:18:19.680 it all up and calling it wicca or they didn't 336 00:18:19.720 --> 00:18:20.839 really use the word wicka. 337 00:18:21.960 --> 00:18:27.960 Right at the very beginning, they were worried about backlash, 338 00:18:28.200 --> 00:18:31.119 you know, people saying that they were you know, devil work, 339 00:18:31.279 --> 00:18:33.920 like they were worried that that that would turn people off. 340 00:18:34.880 --> 00:18:37.240 And what was funny is it did they got people 341 00:18:37.240 --> 00:18:41.599 complaining of that, like oh, you're trying to promote the 342 00:18:41.640 --> 00:18:44.160 devil and all this sort of stuff, But then do 343 00:18:44.240 --> 00:18:46.640 they also got people that actually did practice wika and 344 00:18:46.640 --> 00:18:48.720 they were like, none of this is actually accurate, like 345 00:18:48.759 --> 00:18:50.839 what are you doing? So so it was it was 346 00:18:50.880 --> 00:18:55.359 they weren't pleasing anyone by exploring uh wicca, And I 347 00:18:55.400 --> 00:18:58.839 think I think they the pun was too good to 348 00:18:58.960 --> 00:19:02.279 walk away from. But otherwise, yes, I think if I 349 00:19:02.319 --> 00:19:04.240 think if WICCA wasn't in the title, you'd just been like, 350 00:19:04.279 --> 00:19:10.119 oh witchcraft, you wouldn't have tied it specifically to Wicca itself, right. 351 00:19:10.200 --> 00:19:13.200 Which is which is a religion. It's not just a 352 00:19:13.319 --> 00:19:16.359 you know, a trend or a or you know, a practice. 353 00:19:16.400 --> 00:19:18.079 It's like an actual religion. 354 00:19:18.160 --> 00:19:21.079 So yeah, so I think they didn't do themselves any 355 00:19:21.119 --> 00:19:23.200 favors by putting it in the in the title, because 356 00:19:23.200 --> 00:19:26.200 they were actively shying away from it. In fact, Uh, 357 00:19:26.880 --> 00:19:28.960 you know, in the beginning, they tried to show that, 358 00:19:29.079 --> 00:19:31.039 like they went to church, and they did. They were 359 00:19:31.039 --> 00:19:33.039 trying to show all these things about like no, see 360 00:19:33.039 --> 00:19:36.599 that these these are good witches and they're you know, 361 00:19:36.640 --> 00:19:38.279 they can go to church, they can do these things. 362 00:19:39.119 --> 00:19:41.400 And then uh, you know, later on they were able 363 00:19:41.400 --> 00:19:42.359 to have a little bit more fun. 364 00:19:42.839 --> 00:19:46.000 Yeah. Well, the next one I watched was season three, 365 00:19:46.079 --> 00:19:49.599 episode twenty two, All Hell Breaks Loose, when Piper and 366 00:19:49.799 --> 00:19:53.440 Prue are exposed as witches. Phoebe sacrifices herself to the 367 00:19:53.480 --> 00:19:56.359 dark side to save them, but the deal destroys them all. 368 00:19:57.039 --> 00:19:57.799 Did I get that right? 369 00:19:58.119 --> 00:19:58.880 You got that right? 370 00:19:59.359 --> 00:20:01.160 I mean, you know, feel like a good description of 371 00:20:01.200 --> 00:20:01.799 this episode. 372 00:20:01.920 --> 00:20:04.039 I mean there's a lot that goes on in the episode, 373 00:20:04.079 --> 00:20:06.920 but if you had to still it down to a line, 374 00:20:08.119 --> 00:20:10.079 you know, she does it to kind of save them, 375 00:20:10.119 --> 00:20:12.240 but also she's you know, in love with this guy 376 00:20:12.519 --> 00:20:15.720 that's being held down there. And there's a lot going 377 00:20:15.720 --> 00:20:18.400 on with Phoebe there beyond what you just mentioned for sure. 378 00:20:18.519 --> 00:20:21.160 So the hot cop from the first one or the 379 00:20:21.160 --> 00:20:24.880 hot investigator is gone. What was his deal ted King? 380 00:20:25.640 --> 00:20:30.400 Yes, so they had a few. There was always like 381 00:20:30.519 --> 00:20:36.400 new cops coming in, and other than Dorian Gregory who 382 00:20:36.400 --> 00:20:41.880 played Darryl, other than him, none of the law enforcement 383 00:20:41.960 --> 00:20:44.319 lasted long. They kind of were like one at most 384 00:20:44.319 --> 00:20:51.559 two season characters. And when it came to particularly like 385 00:20:51.720 --> 00:20:59.279 romantic interests, other than than Leo and for I would say, 386 00:20:59.279 --> 00:21:03.519 I would say, oh god him forgetting his last name. 387 00:21:03.559 --> 00:21:09.200 But Julie from Niptock, Juline McMahon, yes McMahon, who recently 388 00:21:09.200 --> 00:21:12.359 passed away, which is so sad. The two of them 389 00:21:12.400 --> 00:21:17.160 were really the only two men that lasted as well 390 00:21:17.599 --> 00:21:21.039 as as long as Dorian did as well. So the 391 00:21:21.079 --> 00:21:22.559 guys kind of came and went, and again it was 392 00:21:22.559 --> 00:21:24.640 about the women and that was something that they wanted 393 00:21:24.640 --> 00:21:25.759 to hold true to as well. 394 00:21:26.039 --> 00:21:30.079 Okay, good. I'm glad he didn't. Did you miss him kidnapped? No? 395 00:21:30.160 --> 00:21:33.680 I just I was like,

where's that hot cop guy? 396 00:21:34.039 --> 00:21:36.359 Who was also from Days of Our Lives? Everyone was 397 00:21:36.359 --> 00:21:38.519 from Days of Our Lives except Finola Hughes, who's from 398 00:21:38.559 --> 00:21:42.960 General Hospital. We'll get to her. Okay. My first reaction, oh, 399 00:21:42.960 --> 00:21:46.599 thank god they grew their hair out, because those little 400 00:21:46.599 --> 00:21:50.880 pixie cuts were so specific to the late nineties and 401 00:21:50.920 --> 00:21:53.119 it was, you know, it dated it for me. 402 00:21:53.279 --> 00:21:56.680 So and that was another spelling rule. No one could change. 403 00:21:56.720 --> 00:21:58.680 No one could even put their hair up or where 404 00:21:58.720 --> 00:22:01.400 they couldn't wear it any differently. For the first six episodes, 405 00:22:02.559 --> 00:22:06.000 he was very much like, the audience has to recognize 406 00:22:06.039 --> 00:22:09.039 you and like know exactly who you are, and you know, 407 00:22:09.160 --> 00:22:10.920 if they're only half paying attention, they still need to 408 00:22:10.920 --> 00:22:12.519 be able to say this is that character, this is 409 00:22:12.559 --> 00:22:14.880 that character. So they weren't allowed to touch their hair 410 00:22:15.880 --> 00:22:18.519 for the first six episodes, and then obviously over time 411 00:22:18.759 --> 00:22:20.240 they had a little bit more control about what they 412 00:22:20.279 --> 00:22:22.000 were wearing their hair. 413 00:22:22.599 --> 00:22:27.960 But Tyrant, now did Tory or Randy ever guess? Uncharmed, 414 00:22:28.680 --> 00:22:32.960 I don't believe so. Spelling For those of you who 415 00:22:32.960 --> 00:22:36.000 are thinking, are Mandy and Patrick just talking about their friends. 416 00:22:37.359 --> 00:22:42.039 I mean, aren't they No, I can't recall that ever happening, 417 00:22:42.039 --> 00:22:43.119 and I feel like I would have. 418 00:22:43.920 --> 00:22:47.279 Because didn't Tory Spelling and Shannon Doherty not get along? 419 00:22:47.960 --> 00:22:48.960 Or was that Jenny Garth? 420 00:22:49.920 --> 00:22:52.079 I mean, I don't think Shannon Doherty. Yeah, I think 421 00:22:52.119 --> 00:22:54.559 think Shannon Dohorty got along with pretty much anyone other 422 00:22:54.640 --> 00:22:57.359 than like I said, her and Hollymry Crumbs were really 423 00:22:57.400 --> 00:23:02.960 really close and remain so in the years after Charmed two. 424 00:23:03.319 --> 00:23:07.559 So it is deeply yeah, and it is deeply sad 425 00:23:07.559 --> 00:23:10.319 to watch this show and these people are of my generation. 426 00:23:10.480 --> 00:23:12.759 I know you're younger than me, but to know Julia 427 00:23:12.839 --> 00:23:19.440 McMahon's gone chin and Doherty's gone, it's just it's really Yeah, 428 00:23:19.519 --> 00:23:27.359 it's disheartening and sad and too soon. Oh. What I 429 00:23:27.400 --> 00:23:29.599 wrote was what happened to the hot detective from the pilot? 430 00:23:29.759 --> 00:23:32.759 Do you know him? Can you introduce us? That is 431 00:23:32.839 --> 00:23:33.720 what I wrote. 432 00:23:34.240 --> 00:23:36.400 I will, I will have to figure that out. 433 00:23:38.240 --> 00:23:43.079 And in the first episode, Darryl the cop is skeptical 434 00:23:43.119 --> 00:23:46.960 and doesn't know what's going on, but by this episode 435 00:23:47.240 --> 00:23:49.480 end of season three, he is in on it. He 436 00:23:49.599 --> 00:23:52.839 knows who they really are, and he is all about 437 00:23:52.880 --> 00:23:55.200 protecting them. How did that shift happen for him? 438 00:23:55.720 --> 00:23:59.200 Uh? You know, for him, it was realizing that because 439 00:24:00.039 --> 00:24:04.079 when he first discovers it, he thinks they're evil. You know, 440 00:24:04.160 --> 00:24:06.319 he's just like, I don't understand this, like this is 441 00:24:06.559 --> 00:24:08.279 but he starts to see that what they do is 442 00:24:08.279 --> 00:24:09.960 good and so then he starts to kind of help 443 00:24:10.000 --> 00:24:14.039 cover stuff up for them. And because law enforcement continues 444 00:24:14.160 --> 00:24:16.839 as as we see as the series goes on, law 445 00:24:16.880 --> 00:24:19.640 enforcement and new like, they all start to question why 446 00:24:19.759 --> 00:24:23.799 people are dying in their house or you know, why 447 00:24:23.839 --> 00:24:26.839 they seem to at the restaurant they work at or 448 00:24:27.200 --> 00:24:30.240 you know, places that they are Like crimes and or 449 00:24:30.240 --> 00:24:33.160 deaths seem to continue to happen in very weird ways. 450 00:24:33.200 --> 00:24:36.160 And so I mean, story wise, I think they just 451 00:24:36.200 --> 00:24:39.480 needed somebody to help. That make sense, to get somebody 452 00:24:39.480 --> 00:24:41.920 off their back. But for him, it was very much 453 00:24:42.720 --> 00:24:47.240 an experience of seeing what they what they did, and 454 00:24:47.240 --> 00:24:50.160 how they would do good and help him and help 455 00:24:50.200 --> 00:24:51.640 others when they were in need. 456 00:24:52.359 --> 00:24:55.279 And this show is twenty five years old, but when 457 00:24:55.279 --> 00:24:59.279 the media is haranguing them and outside the house and 458 00:24:59.440 --> 00:25:02.119 following it feels very today. 459 00:25:02.599 --> 00:25:06.599 Yeah, I mean, you know, everything's It's interesting though, because 460 00:25:06.720 --> 00:25:08.680 I had actually an Uber driver asked me about this 461 00:25:08.720 --> 00:25:13.000 the other day when they learned what I do. She 462 00:25:13.200 --> 00:25:15.200 was saying, you know, I feel like there used to 463 00:25:15.200 --> 00:25:20.839 be paparazzi everywhere, and you saw these paparazzi shots and 464 00:25:21.079 --> 00:25:24.759 long lens situations and catching people in situations that they 465 00:25:24.759 --> 00:25:27.200 don't know that they're being watched, or you know, they're

466 00:25:27.200 --> 00:25:30.079 pounding them across the street or walking into restaurants. And 467 00:25:30.160 --> 00:25:31.480 she was like, I don't feel like I see that 468 00:25:31.559 --> 00:25:33.559 as often. And I think that that actually was the 469 00:25:33.599 --> 00:25:35.519 case for a little bit. I think social media killed 470 00:25:35.519 --> 00:25:40.519 it a little. I think also the average consumer starting 471 00:25:40.559 --> 00:25:43.720 to understand how detrimental that could be when you know, 472 00:25:43.759 --> 00:25:46.880 you were seeing celebrities getting in car accidents or you know, 473 00:25:46.960 --> 00:25:49.960 having the mental health breakdowns because of it, and I 474 00:25:50.000 --> 00:25:52.920 think that there was a huge backlash. And I do 475 00:25:52.960 --> 00:25:54.799 feel like in the last like three or four months, though, 476 00:25:54.839 --> 00:25:57.319 we've started to see an upswell again of that sort 477 00:25:57.400 --> 00:26:00.359 of of that sort of thing in the media of 478 00:26:01.480 --> 00:26:04.039 you know, that long lens, Like here's someone on vacation 479 00:26:04.200 --> 00:26:06.319 on a boat and it's like you clearly it's so 480 00:26:06.440 --> 00:26:08.920 grainy that that has to be taken from a camera, 481 00:26:09.000 --> 00:26:12.559 and good camera, but from miles away sort of thing. 482 00:26:12.599 --> 00:26:13.519 And it's interesting. 483 00:26:13.559 --> 00:26:16.000 I hate that. It's like I'm on my yacht. I'm 484 00:26:16.119 --> 00:26:19.160 just trying to relax with my Crystal. Leave me alone. 485 00:26:19.519 --> 00:26:21.680 Crystal is your friend, right right? 486 00:26:21.799 --> 00:26:28.720 Yeah? You know, okay. Side note, total tangent. I recently 487 00:26:28.799 --> 00:26:31.720 heard that there's a theory that Britney Spears shaved her 488 00:26:31.759 --> 00:26:36.319 head because drugs can be detected in your hair for 489 00:26:36.839 --> 00:26:39.200 much longer than in your bodily fluids, I guess, and 490 00:26:39.240 --> 00:26:41.599 she had to submit for drug testing, so that's why 491 00:26:41.640 --> 00:26:42.440 she shaved her head. 492 00:26:42.839 --> 00:26:46.359 I have heard that, and I've heard that since it happened, 493 00:26:46.400 --> 00:26:48.960 because she obviously was worried about them taking her kids away. 494 00:26:50.160 --> 00:26:51.920 Who's to say what's true, but that is that is 495 00:26:51.960 --> 00:26:55.279 something that I've heard in the in the mix as 496 00:26:55.480 --> 00:26:56.920 a reason. For sure. 497 00:26:56.960 --> 00:27:00.440 Well, I listened to her book because I'm a thorough investigator, 498 00:27:01.079 --> 00:27:04.680 and she claims it's like, you know, everyone always told 499 00:27:04.680 --> 00:27:06.200 me what they wanted me to look like, and I 500 00:27:06.200 --> 00:27:08.480 didn't want to be their barbie anymore, so I shaved 501 00:27:08.480 --> 00:27:11.319 my head to prove a point.

It's pretty flimsy Patrick. 502 00:27:11.880 --> 00:27:15.039 I mean, you know, it's it's like Lori Brahm leaving Charmed. 503 00:27:17.200 --> 00:27:22.279 It all comes full circle back to Charmed brought to 504 00:27:22.319 --> 00:27:28.160 you by Middrift. Sophoebe goes underground to get coal and 505 00:27:28.279 --> 00:27:33.319 that's Julie McMahon and they have hot chemistry. They have 506 00:27:33.400 --> 00:27:36.079 a kiss down there that I was like, whoo, I mean, 507 00:27:36.400 --> 00:27:39.279 I wouldn't mind kissing either one of them. 508 00:27:39.480 --> 00:27:42.960 Yeah. No, This was one of the major romances of 509 00:27:43.000 --> 00:27:48.079 the show, for sure, and one that I certainly was 510 00:27:48.200 --> 00:27:52.240 very invested for reasons. 511 00:27:53.000 --> 00:27:56.119 In that kiss, the music swelled. It's very soap opera 512 00:27:56.240 --> 00:27:58.119 esque in a lot of moments. 513 00:28:00.240 --> 00:28:05.039 You know, it's gonna be soapy and fun and uh sexy, 514 00:28:05.119 --> 00:28:08.839 and certainly they checked all the boxes for sure. 515 00:28:09.200 --> 00:28:12.480 What was your relationship with Spelling? Were you? Was this 516 00:28:12.559 --> 00:28:14.440 around the time of nine o two and oh or 517 00:28:14.440 --> 00:28:15.799 no that was before this? 518 00:28:16.119 --> 00:28:20.759 It was yeah, Nice and Melo's Place, Uh were ones 519 00:28:20.799 --> 00:28:24.759 that I definitely missed I was aware of, But I 520 00:28:24.839 --> 00:28:28.400 was watching the reruns of Charlie's Angel, like you know, 521 00:28:28.480 --> 00:28:33.759 I missed I missed that earlier nineties spelling that I 522 00:28:33.920 --> 00:28:36.519 was at the right age to catch the reruns of 523 00:28:36.559 --> 00:28:41.119 the previous era of Spelling, so I was familiar with him, 524 00:28:42.279 --> 00:28:45.599 and which was interesting for the time because, uh, you know, 525 00:28:45.640 --> 00:28:48.759 that was a time before we before Shonda Rhimes, before 526 00:28:48.880 --> 00:28:53.480 Ryan Murphy, before we really knew people behind the scenes, 527 00:28:53.480 --> 00:28:56.920 at least that you know, if Enterty, a weekly reader 528 00:28:57.079 --> 00:28:58.720 like that sort of stuff would have would have known. 529 00:28:58.960 --> 00:29:01.680 But the average consumer now, I think, knows what the 530 00:29:01.759 --> 00:29:03.279 term showrunner means. 531 00:29:03.319 --> 00:29:06.480 And so true like TV Guy would definitely feature the 532 00:29:06.559 --> 00:29:12.000 actors from shows, but everyone knew Aaron Spelling's name. Yeah, 533 00:29:12.039 --> 00:29:13.920 and so seventies, that's crazy. 534 00:29:14.160 --> 00:29:16.680 Yeah, so even even you know, prior to that, like 535 00:29:16.680 --> 00:29:19.000 I knew Aaron Spelling was the guy behind Charlie's Angels 536 00:29:19.000 --> 00:29:21.759 before I'd even knew Charms. So yeah, he certainly was 537 00:29:21.759 --> 00:29:25.880 somebody that was a unique, unique producer in that way 538 00:29:25.880 --> 00:29:29.359 that we knew who he was. So that so that 539 00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:33.319 was mainly my relationship. So again Charlie's Angels, three women 540 00:29:33.400 --> 00:29:38.880 exerting their power and kicking ass, and here we are again. 541 00:29:39.599 --> 00:29:43.079 Yeah, I mean it really probably started with should we 542 00:29:43.119 --> 00:29:47.599 reboot Charlie's Angels? Yes, but let's make them witches, I mean. 543 00:29:47.920 --> 00:29:51.960 Yeah, Although I'll give a huge shout out to Constance Birge, 544 00:29:51.960 --> 00:29:57.079 who was the creator of the series. She based this off. 545 00:29:57.160 --> 00:29:59.000 She based the fact that it was these three women 546 00:29:59.200 --> 00:30:01.839 and thearticularly the character of Phoebe is her and like 547 00:30:01.880 --> 00:30:04.839 she had two older sisters and kind of based the 548 00:30:04.880 --> 00:30:09.039 personalities around them. She had a very clear vision of 549 00:30:09.039 --> 00:30:12.079 how each one of these three characters should be portrayed, 550 00:30:12.799 --> 00:30:15.680 because to her, it was bringing her sisters to life. 551 00:30:15.960 --> 00:30:18.680 And was this a comic? I read? I read it 552 00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:20.519 was based on comics. 553 00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:27.079 There have been comics since then. There's been since in 554 00:30:27.119 --> 00:30:31.559 the start as one, not to my knowledge, but there 555 00:30:31.640 --> 00:30:34.759 is a whole comics series. I've only read like one 556 00:30:34.839 --> 00:30:36.799 or two of them, but there's a whole comic series 557 00:30:36.839 --> 00:30:41.000 that came out afterwards that explored other things where like 558 00:30:41.079 --> 00:30:43.119 Daryl gets powers and like there's there's like a whole 559 00:30:43.119 --> 00:30:47.200 bunch of other really fun stuff. But no, I believe 560 00:30:47.240 --> 00:30:51.279 this was original, an original concept that Constance, I mean, 561 00:30:51.599 --> 00:30:55.960 Witchcraft is how original. But she definitely brought this not 562 00:30:56.039 --> 00:30:58.559 based on a source material. I'm ninety nine point nine 563 00:30:58.599 --> 00:30:59.400 percent sure. 564 00:30:59.440 --> 00:31:01.880 Okay, I trust you, but she's the expert. 565 00:31:01.920 --> 00:31:03.640 But she also wrote one of my other favorite series 566 00:31:03.640 --> 00:31:06.599 of the era, wrote on one of my other favorite 567 00:31:06.640 --> 00:31:08.160 series of the era, which is was Judging Amy with 568 00:31:08.200 --> 00:31:11.759 Amy Brenneman and Tyane Daily. 569 00:31:12.119 --> 00:31:14.759 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 570 00:31:13.920 --> 00:31:16.759 So I was. I was a fan of her as well, 571 00:31:16.759 --> 00:31:19.119 although although you know, not like Spelling, did not know 572 00:31:19.160 --> 00:31:22.640 her name at the time or that she wrote on 573

00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:25.559 that show. It was a Spelling show, it wasn't a 574 00:31:25.599 --> 00:31:28.200 Constance burd show. But I now know different. 575 00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:34.279 Yeah. I never watched Judging Amy, but I can. Yeah, 576 00:31:34.359 --> 00:31:37.519 I know the reference. So we're at the point of 577 00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:42.720 this episode where the paparazzi's outside the girls are about 578 00:31:42.720 --> 00:31:46.960 to be exposed for being witches because they are fighting 579 00:31:47.000 --> 00:31:49.880 crime on the street, and a news team films it, 580 00:31:50.319 --> 00:31:52.880 so they are everybody wants a piece of this story? 581 00:31:53.359 --> 00:31:56.440 Can I say, did you notice in rewatching it? I 582 00:31:56.519 --> 00:32:00.680 was like, how, like you can barely see who they are. 583 00:32:00.720 --> 00:32:02.000 It's like at the back of their heads. 584 00:32:02.279 --> 00:32:03.559 Yeah, how do they find their house? 585 00:32:03.759 --> 00:32:05.000 How did they find their I mean, I know it 586 00:32:05.039 --> 00:32:07.119 was nearby, so I could see, like, I guess if 587 00:32:07.119 --> 00:32:08.960 you're a really great journalist, or like showing it to 588 00:32:09.000 --> 00:32:12.519 the neighbors and they're like, oh, yeah, that's Piper, Like maybe, 589 00:32:12.599 --> 00:32:15.359 but there's no explanation of how it goes from seeing 590 00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:16.720 the back of their heads. 591 00:32:16.519 --> 00:32:18.559 We need to find these girls, and then they're at 592 00:32:18.559 --> 00:32:19.000 the house. 593 00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:21.880 Yeah. Also, yeah, that van was not like I know 594 00:32:21.960 --> 00:32:23.400 that they were helped, like you know, they were, they 595 00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:26.279 were busy, but that van wasn't like hidden or around 596 00:32:26.319 --> 00:32:28.160 the corner like it was right there. So it was 597 00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:29.359 a little bit on the girls too. 598 00:32:30.599 --> 00:32:35.799 Yeah, yeah, yeah, And they as the swell of media 599 00:32:35.839 --> 00:32:40.039 outside their house is trying to get the story, a 600 00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:43.960 wacky blonde neighbor comes over and says, I'm a witch too, 601 00:32:44.200 --> 00:32:47.119 I'm one of you. I can help, And I started 602 00:32:47.119 --> 00:32:49.720 typing for the record, I don't trust her. 603 00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:50.880 Look at you. 604 00:32:51.279 --> 00:32:52.519 Maybe I'm a witch. 605 00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:54.519 There you go, that's my gift. 606 00:32:55.079 --> 00:33:00.000 Right. Turns out she's effing crazy breaks into their house 607 00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:04.960 and they go like this and listeners, I'm putting my 608 00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:08.519 hand forward in a forceful way, which makes somebody fly 609 00:33:08.640 --> 00:33:10.720 through a window. It happens about one hundred and seventy 610 00:33:10.720 --> 00:33:14.839 five times per episode. So the whacky neighbor is insulted. 611 00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:20.079 So then she comes back with a gun and shoots Piper. 612 00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:24.440 I it even rewatching it. The amount of blood because 613 00:33:24.440 --> 00:33:27.279 that show was not known, like, yes, there was battles 614 00:33:27.279 --> 00:33:28.839 and people would be burst. 615 00:33:28.519 --> 00:33:33.240 Before disintegrate, though they just turned to dust, and there's 616 00:33:33.279 --> 00:33:34.440 not a lot of blood exactly. 617 00:33:34.480 --> 00:33:37.160 There wasn't a lot of blood, and so I remember, 618 00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:39.599 like the guns and you're not exactly sure what's going 619 00:33:39.640 --> 00:33:43.200 on or who, like where did the bullet go? And 620 00:33:43.240 --> 00:33:45.240 then all of a sudden, all of a sudden, there's 621 00:33:45.319 --> 00:33:48.880 just all this blood. And that was I mean, I 622 00:33:48.920 --> 00:33:53.640 think intentionally that was really really shocking and that I 623 00:33:53.720 --> 00:33:56.200 remember watching that for the first time, and I remember, 624 00:33:59.319 --> 00:34:03.319 but even rewatch it, that was still like caught me 625 00:34:03.359 --> 00:34:05.400 by surprise, even though that memory is in my head 626 00:34:05.400 --> 00:34:06.279 of that moment. 627 00:34:06.400 --> 00:34:09.000 And I wrote, oh god, I'm crying it Charmed, what 628 00:34:09.079 --> 00:34:09.440 the fuck? 629 00:34:10.480 --> 00:34:11.880 And you only watched one episode. 630 00:34:12.800 --> 00:34:15.239 I had only watched one before. I thought it was 631 00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:18.679 well done. I thought the acting was really great on 632 00:34:18.719 --> 00:34:21.440 both Shannon Doherty and Holly Marie Combs's part. I was, 633 00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:24.880 I don't know, I'm also in an emotionally raw place, 634 00:34:24.920 --> 00:34:26.880 so maybe it was just triggering, but I was like, 635 00:34:27.199 --> 00:34:29.679 oh my god, I'm crying. I really thought it was 636 00:34:30.920 --> 00:34:34.079 well done. I keep saying well done, but I did. 637 00:34:34.199 --> 00:34:36.199 And Shennondhty directed this episode. 638 00:34:36.280 --> 00:34:40.639 She did that's coming up. I want to back up 639 00:34:40.679 --> 00:34:44.239 just for a split second. So they show interviews with 640 00:34:44.239 --> 00:34:47.719 people on TV, like the neighbors and the you know, 641 00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:50.760 the people of the town, which is supposed to be 642 00:34:50.800 --> 00:34:53.519 San Francisco, but it is very clearly a sound studio 643 00:34:54.039 --> 00:34:54.639 or a lot. 644 00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:58.199 Yeah, they've got a lot on Paramount, and they. 645 00:34:58.079 --> 00:35:01.159 Do so many exteriors of the bridge and they want 646 00:35:01.199 --> 00:35:04.159 you to believe it's San Francisco so much, but it 647 00:35:04.360 --> 00:35:08.519 is very much a lot. So in one of the

clips, 648 00:35:08.599 --> 00:35:11.840 they're interviewing a neighbor and it's Susie Johnson or Susie 649 00:35:11.880 --> 00:35:15.480 Johnson from tenth grade. Right, it's just a little blip, 650 00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:20.440 but holy hell, she looks like Jenny Garth. And I said, ooh, 651 00:35:20.519 --> 00:35:24.199 that's probably not an accident because Shannon Doherty is like, ugh, 652 00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:26.360 Susie Johnson. 653 00:35:26.360 --> 00:35:29.559 And you know, like, I do not catch that, but 654 00:35:29.880 --> 00:35:32.679 I don't disagree with you. That is so interesting. 655 00:35:33.079 --> 00:35:37.159 Yep, I'm on the case. Okay, So I wrote Shannon Doherty, 656 00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:41.000 who directed this episode, didn't know this was going to 657 00:35:41.000 --> 00:35:44.960 be her last. We're getting to the drama, yes, And 658 00:35:46.119 --> 00:35:49.239 she was interviewed and said I thought I would even 659 00:35:49.280 --> 00:35:52.280 come back in direct episodes. I didn't know I was 660 00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:57.920 getting let go and that it was as hard of 661 00:35:57.960 --> 00:36:00.360 a line in the sand as it was tell me 662 00:36:00.840 --> 00:36:02.960 everything what happened to Patrick? 663 00:36:03.440 --> 00:36:05.519 Well at the time, you know, now there's a lot 664 00:36:05.559 --> 00:36:09.079 more information out there. At the time, you have to 665 00:36:09.119 --> 00:36:10.960 catch them doing a little bit of an interview on 666 00:36:11.079 --> 00:36:15.000 entertainment tonight or a snippet, particularly between seasons they weren't doing. 667 00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:18.000 You know, it's not like now where or even a 668 00:36:18.000 --> 00:36:21.679 few years later where or TMZ might catch somebody like 669 00:36:21.880 --> 00:36:25.559 walking to dinner, or they might go on social media 670 00:36:25.679 --> 00:36:28.760 and say something. So the little bits of information we 671 00:36:29.000 --> 00:36:35.840 had were small, and I think what's interesting is that 672 00:36:36.599 --> 00:36:39.480 it broke the week before the episode aired that that 673 00:36:39.599 --> 00:36:43.199 was going to be her last one, So watching it, 674 00:36:43.639 --> 00:36:47.119 we knew. But obviously that's at least weeks, if not months, 675 00:36:47.159 --> 00:36:50.760 after they filmed it that it solidified. But you know, 676 00:36:50.840 --> 00:36:59.440 there'd become noticeable drama, particularly between Elisa Milano and Shannon Doherty, 677 00:36:59.840 --> 00:37:03.800 and the network was like, you all have to like 678 00:37:03.920 --> 00:37:07.840 you all in production meaning spelling and co like, you 679 00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:11.280 all need to figure this out, and it's it's got 680 00:37:11.320 --> 00:37:16.760 to be one or the other. And ultimately it was Alyssa, 681 00:37:16.880 --> 00:37:19.199 and I do wonder how much you know, you mentioned 682 00:37:19.199 --> 00:37:23.440 how much

she had chemistry with Julian, and I think 683 00:37:23.519 --> 00:37:26.039 that perhaps that the power of the fact that there 684 00:37:26.119 --> 00:37:29.840 was two people. And I'm not sure what Julian's relationship 685 00:37:29.880 --> 00:37:32.199 with Shannon was, but I do wonder if the fact 686 00:37:32.199 --> 00:37:34.440 that that relationship was so central to the show was 687 00:37:34.519 --> 00:37:38.760 maybe one of the reasons that it was the decision 688 00:37:38.960 --> 00:37:44.280 was was her over Shannon. But it was certainly dramatic 689 00:37:44.360 --> 00:37:47.920 for the fans regardless about like how it was all 690 00:37:47.960 --> 00:37:50.960 going to happen, because you watch it and there isn't 691 00:37:51.199 --> 00:37:52.639 like at the end of the episode, there's not a 692 00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:56.480 clear it's kind of open ended, like Phoebe's down in 693 00:37:57.119 --> 00:37:59.400 the We say down, but I guess it's somewhat down 694 00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:01.719 somewhere in the under it is, right, and it was 695 00:38:01.760 --> 00:38:05.119 in the underworld, and so you know, there's a version 696 00:38:05.159 --> 00:38:07.840 where Phoebe got stuck in the underworld and she's not 697 00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:10.599 coming back, or there's a version where Shannon, like they 698 00:38:10.719 --> 00:38:12.679 left it very open, right. 699 00:38:12.519 --> 00:38:14.760 And they didn't have to make any decisions because they 700 00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:18.480 the way they handled it. We'll talk about first of all, 701 00:38:18.519 --> 00:38:21.440 backing up when you started talking you said between seasons, 702 00:38:22.159 --> 00:38:24.800 and I thought you called it between Z's and I 703 00:38:24.880 --> 00:38:26.760 was going to end the podcast. 704 00:38:27.800 --> 00:38:29.239 That that would be a fair that would be a 705 00:38:29.239 --> 00:38:31.280 fair thing to do. What are the rally shows I 706 00:38:31.280 --> 00:38:33.480 know we've talked about possibly doing in the future, Big Brother. 707 00:38:33.800 --> 00:38:38.039 There was a I believe he was from Brazil. He 708 00:38:38.119 --> 00:38:41.039 was from somewhere in South America and he was competing 709 00:38:41.079 --> 00:38:45.840 on the show and he and he was had been 710 00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:48.760 bickering with somebody and it was silly though, not like 711 00:38:49.119 --> 00:38:50.920 you know, screaming at each other, and he was like, 712 00:38:50.920 --> 00:38:53.199 I think we just need to go on a hyathus. 713 00:38:54.159 --> 00:38:56.239 And there was this huge back and forth about like 714 00:38:56.320 --> 00:38:58.360 what are you saying? And he's like, a hyathus like 715 00:38:58.400 --> 00:39:00.079 a break and they're like, is that is that a 716 00:39:00.440 --> 00:39:04.079 non English word? He's like no, he just kept screaming hiatus. 717 00:39:04.119 --> 00:39:07.679 And then they eventually realized he was saying hiatus, and 718 00:39:08.480 --> 00:39:10.440 so hyathus is is. 719 00:39:11.880 --> 00:39:13.719 Now I'm in the know, Yeah. 720 00:39:13.559 --> 00:39:16.000 Between between Jesus is the new Hyatus. 721 00:39:16.280 --> 00:39:23.320 Yes, but I think that and you might know differently. 722 00:39:23.360 --> 00:39:27.599 And I'm not here to bad mouth anyone, but everything 723 00:39:27.639 --> 00:39:30.559 I've heard about Alissa Milano is that she's a delight 724 00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:34.719 to work with. And I feel like the set might 725 00:39:34.760 --> 00:39:37.960 have said, do we get a vote, we vote Alyssa 726 00:39:38.079 --> 00:39:41.159 keep her. And you know, both you and I said, 727 00:39:41.639 --> 00:39:43.920 we're both gay men who were immediately in love with 728 00:39:43.960 --> 00:39:45.800 Alyssa Milana on the show. I just think it was 729 00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:49.880 a no brainer. Yeah, you know, Spelling had danced this 730 00:39:50.039 --> 00:39:53.000 dance with Doherty before, so just get rid of her. 731 00:39:53.840 --> 00:39:55.679 Yeah, I mean, and I think that that probably also, 732 00:39:55.719 --> 00:39:59.199 if I'm thinking about it from a producer perspective, plays 733 00:39:59.199 --> 00:40:01.760 into it, like she she's known as the bad girl, 734 00:40:01.960 --> 00:40:05.440 like this makes you know, sense that sort of thing. 735 00:40:07.519 --> 00:40:10.800 But it certainly was dramatic. I will say you can 736 00:40:10.880 --> 00:40:14.280 notice the ten in retrospect, knowing that they were not 737 00:40:14.320 --> 00:40:17.280 getting along. I do wonder how much of that went 738 00:40:17.320 --> 00:40:20.480 into the writing of the fact that Phoebe and her 739 00:40:20.719 --> 00:40:24.079 like they they're basically don't interact in this episode and 740 00:40:24.599 --> 00:40:27.239 in the episodes prior to it. Prior to I mean, 741 00:40:27.480 --> 00:40:29.599 you could see that sort of like separation of they're 742 00:40:29.639 --> 00:40:33.840 not really in scenes together, so you could see it 743 00:40:33.960 --> 00:40:36.000 in retrospect. You can see it even on screen. 744 00:40:36.519 --> 00:40:39.960 Well, you had me watch the season four premiere to 745 00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:43.360 get back to it, and that is Charmed Again, Part 746 00:40:43.400 --> 00:40:47.360 one and two tricky. It was a two parter Phoebe 747 00:40:47.440 --> 00:40:50.000 and Piper grieve over Prue's death and struggle with the 748 00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:52.320 demise of the Power of Three until they discovered the 749 00:40:52.320 --> 00:40:56.960 existence of half sister, Page a White Lighter. I thought 750 00:40:56.960 --> 00:41:00.760 they handled this masterfully. They just talked about out well 751 00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:04.679 when Prue died, but we didn't see it. It was 752 00:41:04.880 --> 00:41:09.559 just something that happened off screen, and I thought their 753 00:41:09.599 --> 00:41:13.360 grief felt real.

I thought their acting was lovely and 754 00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:14.840 they made it work. 755 00:41:16.159 --> 00:41:19.199 I agree. I mean, everyone was tuning in to see 756 00:41:19.239 --> 00:41:21.199 how they were going to handle it, and I think 757 00:41:21.239 --> 00:41:26.719 that they totally nailed it. And there was a lot 758 00:41:26.760 --> 00:41:31.440 of speculation over how the show would continue, because obviously 759 00:41:31.480 --> 00:41:35.239 the whole premise was built about these three sisters and 760 00:41:35.280 --> 00:41:38.320 the power of three and how do you move forward 761 00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:41.280 with the show that has been all about that and 762 00:41:41.320 --> 00:41:45.920 then suddenly only has two. The other thing I will 763 00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:48.800 say about about this the fact that they didn't really 764 00:41:48.880 --> 00:41:52.039 explain a lot other than just saying that that happened. 765 00:41:53.079 --> 00:41:54.920 And this, you know, this is still the era pre 766 00:41:55.320 --> 00:41:58.639 TVO where they were spoon feeding us a lot more 767 00:41:58.719 --> 00:42:01.320 as viewers, because you know, I had to try to 768 00:42:01.400 --> 00:42:04.599 find the first episode when it would reair on t 769 00:42:04.719 --> 00:42:09.599 n T or TBS. People thought they had missed for 770 00:42:09.639 --> 00:42:12.840 the premiere sure like sure, well for two reasons. One 771 00:42:12.880 --> 00:42:14.480 because they did it the way they did it, where 772 00:42:14.480 --> 00:42:16.960 they kind of just or you know, you jump forward 773 00:42:17.000 --> 00:42:17.480 a little bit. 774 00:42:18.320 --> 00:42:21.079 But also September eleventh, it was. 775 00:42:21.119 --> 00:42:24.079 Yeah, it premiered. It ended up premiering October fourth, like 776 00:42:24.079 --> 00:42:26.079 they had to re air it because it was you know, 777 00:42:26.239 --> 00:42:30.199 dealing with nine to eleven was obviously still fresh, fresh 778 00:42:30.239 --> 00:42:33.280 in everyone's minds and on television and everything. So uh, 779 00:42:34.079 --> 00:42:37.599 people were worried that they missed the first episode. 780 00:42:37.800 --> 00:42:40.159 I'm good on them. They fixed you know, they fixed 781 00:42:40.159 --> 00:42:43.119 a problem, and I thought they made it quite clear. 782 00:42:43.679 --> 00:42:46.480 Graham's appears in this episode. Has she appeared before this? 783 00:42:47.039 --> 00:42:50.440 Oh? Yes, Grahams and uh and their mom like they 784 00:42:50.760 --> 00:42:54.079 were constant they conjure correct, they were. They were constantly 785 00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:56.159 popping in in that sort of way to be helpful 786 00:42:56.199 --> 00:43:00.800 in various times or explain things from their past. They 787 00:43:00.800 --> 00:43:02.159 did a lot of time jumping too. 788 00:43:03.079 --> 00:43:07.119 I love that Graham's mock basically mocks the whole show, 789 00:43:07.159 --> 00:43:12.280

and she's like, just start rhyming. Do a spell start rhyming, 790 00:43:12.559 --> 00:43:15.559 and it's you know, she's acknowledging that these spells are 791 00:43:15.639 --> 00:43:22.480 ridiculous and basic, and I found her very charming. Also 792 00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:25.840 considered for the part of Page Jennifer Love Hewitt, Charisma Carpenter, 793 00:43:25.880 --> 00:43:29.480 Tiffany Feast and Eliza Doushku and Sleigh moon Fry. 794 00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:32.679 Half of them spelling alums. So there you go, he 795 00:43:33.519 --> 00:43:34.480 has his girls. 796 00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:36.840 They all would have been great. 797 00:43:37.079 --> 00:43:37.320 Yeah. 798 00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:40.559 I would imagine Charisma Carpenter would feel like really more 799 00:43:40.599 --> 00:43:43.159 demons and or snowfings. 800 00:43:43.480 --> 00:43:44.840 Oh, I was gonna say, but what did you think 801 00:43:44.880 --> 00:43:45.440 of Rose? 802 00:43:45.920 --> 00:43:51.199 I thought she was great. Yeah, yeah, I watching her now. 803 00:43:51.320 --> 00:43:54.880 Rose McGowan is such a different feel. I always liked her. 804 00:43:54.920 --> 00:43:56.440 I liked her and scream. I liked her as a 805 00:43:56.480 --> 00:44:00.079 young actress, and then I know she didn't do a 806 00:43:59.920 --> 00:44:04.559 lot of quality stuff because Harvey Weinstein blacklisted her and 807 00:44:05.599 --> 00:44:10.840 so she couldn't get prestige parts. So that's a shame. 808 00:44:10.960 --> 00:44:13.400 I think she's really talented and really DearS. 809 00:44:13.880 --> 00:44:16.559 One of the things I loved as a huge fan 810 00:44:16.599 --> 00:44:23.760 of the series was watching also the progression of Hollywood 811 00:44:23.800 --> 00:44:27.079 Ray Combs's Piper, because she went from being the middle 812 00:44:27.119 --> 00:44:31.639 sister to being the older sister, and you know, at 813 00:44:31.679 --> 00:44:33.880 this stage you don't see it, but maybe you felt 814 00:44:33.960 --> 00:44:36.519 it a little bit in watching the final episode I 815 00:44:36.559 --> 00:44:40.719 had you watch, But I think she did a fantastic 816 00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:45.360 job of evolving into I am now the caretaker and 817 00:44:46.480 --> 00:44:48.880 the leader of the family. And I thought that was 818 00:44:48.920 --> 00:44:50.679 a real I thought that was a really beautiful thing 819 00:44:50.719 --> 00:44:52.679 to watch that character evolve in that way. 820 00:44:52.880 --> 00:44:54.719 She always felt that way to me. I don't know 821 00:44:54.760 --> 00:44:57.199 if it's because she wasn't wearing mid drift tops and 822 00:44:57.360 --> 00:45:01.639 wasn't as flirty and she was just more grounded. So 823 00:45:01.719 --> 00:45:05.840 to me, she always felt like the older sister personality wise. 824 00:45:06.159 --> 00:45:08.960 You know, have you made a pilgrimage to thirteen twenty 825 00:45:09.039 --> 00:45:11.559 nine Carol av in Los Angeles to the house? 826 00:45:11.800 --> 00:45:14.559 I have not, but it's on my I have, like 827 00:45:14.599 --> 00:45:17.199 I have a list of that. Yes, let's do it. 828 00:45:17.239 --> 00:45:19.239 We'll do make the inert on the road. 829 00:45:20.559 --> 00:45:23.280 I would love that. Yeah, I found out that's where 830 00:45:23.280 --> 00:45:26.159 they took all the exteriors. I wonder if it looks 831 00:45:26.199 --> 00:45:30.519 the same. I did notice that Alisa Milano, even though 832 00:45:30.559 --> 00:45:34.440 I praised their performances, three quarters of the way through 833 00:45:34.440 --> 00:45:37.079 the episode, she breaks down and says like, I haven't 834 00:45:37.079 --> 00:45:39.559 cried about Preu yet and I'm gonna let it go. 835 00:45:40.559 --> 00:45:45.239 There were no tears, Well, I know there are. They 836 00:45:45.239 --> 00:45:47.920 could have put tears on her face, and I've just 837 00:45:47.960 --> 00:45:51.199 felt like that was Alissa Milano thinking I'm not going 838 00:45:51.280 --> 00:45:52.840 to shed one tear for her. 839 00:45:53.280 --> 00:45:55.960 Yeah. I think that might have been something to play there. 840 00:45:58.239 --> 00:46:05.559 We're on to you, Alissa Milano. I liked this episode. 841 00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:09.599 I it was twisty in turny. I thought the introduction 842 00:46:09.719 --> 00:46:11.840 of Rose into the gang and how she finds out 843 00:46:11.880 --> 00:46:14.320 she's a witch and their sister. I thought it was 844 00:46:14.360 --> 00:46:18.280 all great. And then at the end they are in 845 00:46:18.559 --> 00:46:20.679 the club. I guess Piper owns a club. 846 00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:21.480 P three. 847 00:46:21.920 --> 00:46:22.360 P three. 848 00:46:22.719 --> 00:46:25.199 This was the age where everything on the WB was 849 00:46:25.239 --> 00:46:28.719 also promoting musicians, and they would like tell you what 850 00:46:28.840 --> 00:46:31.599 songs played at the end of every episode in today's 851 00:46:31.599 --> 00:46:33.960 episode you heard, and then it would like give you 852 00:46:34.000 --> 00:46:35.519 the name an artist, and like where you can go 853 00:46:35.519 --> 00:46:36.880 buy out the single. 854 00:46:37.239 --> 00:46:39.480 I remember that snow Patrol, I remember, yes. 855 00:46:39.400 --> 00:46:42.159 Oh yeah, So P three was was there a way 856 00:46:42.199 --> 00:46:42.599 to do that? 857 00:46:43.320 --> 00:46:45.920 And they're in the club through the whole last shot, 858 00:46:46.320 --> 00:46:49.719 last scene and they're talking like this at the table 859 00:46:50.760 --> 00:46:56.760 and there's music in the background like so soft, and 860 00:46:56.760 --> 00:46:59.519 they're able to sit at a club, a dance club 861 00:46:59.679 --> 00:47:00.800 and just to have a chat. 862 00:47:01.039 --> 00:47:02.880 Maybe that's one of their witch powers, and we just 863 00:47:03.079 --> 00:47:05.719 they never expressed it. 864 00:47:05.719 --> 00:47:06.599 It's

ridiculous. 865 00:47:06.840 --> 00:47:10.559 Yeah, although right now, speaking of witch powers, though, the 866 00:47:10.639 --> 00:47:13.880 other thing that it was really impressed with this, which 867 00:47:14.320 --> 00:47:16.440 was the whole because I know, obviously Leo is a 868 00:47:16.519 --> 00:47:20.559 character that got introduced in between the previous two episodes 869 00:47:20.880 --> 00:47:24.360 and is very established by the between these in between these, 870 00:47:25.719 --> 00:47:29.880 but Page is a I was I would never correct you, 871 00:47:30.119 --> 00:47:33.360 but Page is a half white lighter, not a full 872 00:47:33.400 --> 00:47:37.960 white lighter because from Wiki, so there we go. Wiki 873 00:47:38.119 --> 00:47:42.800 is a big fat liar because her mother was a 874 00:47:42.840 --> 00:47:46.840 witch and her father was a white light a dentist, Yes, 875 00:47:46.920 --> 00:47:49.519 a dentist. So her father was a white lighter, which 876 00:47:49.519 --> 00:47:53.320 is basically a guardian angel for magical beings. And that's 877 00:47:53.360 --> 00:47:57.519 a forbidden romance, which is why she had Yes, okay, 878 00:47:57.719 --> 00:47:59.519 soap opera. So it's a forbidden romance that was never 879 00:47:59.519 --> 00:48:03.800 supposed to have because basically it was like your the 880 00:48:03.880 --> 00:48:05.920 grays anatomy. It's like it's like your resident, You're an 881 00:48:05.920 --> 00:48:08.280 intern in your Resident who's supposed to be helping you 882 00:48:08.599 --> 00:48:10.840 and you you have a relationship. You know, this was 883 00:48:10.840 --> 00:48:13.519 her guardian angel, and she has a relation. Their mom 884 00:48:13.559 --> 00:48:15.480 had a relationship with him. So the baby was a secret, 885 00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:17.960 which is why no one knew about it and all 886 00:48:18.000 --> 00:48:20.760 of that. So she's half White Lighter which is why 887 00:48:20.800 --> 00:48:22.719 she has a little bit of White Lighter power, but 888 00:48:22.800 --> 00:48:24.360 not all of the White Lighter power, which has the 889 00:48:24.360 --> 00:48:28.360 powers to heal, and you can trans you can teleport yourself. 890 00:48:28.400 --> 00:48:32.199 And what I loved though, is that the powers of 891 00:48:32.239 --> 00:48:34.440 the Charmed Ones all this is where I'm gonna super 892 00:48:34.440 --> 00:48:36.440 nerd out with you. The powers of the Charmed Ones 893 00:48:37.639 --> 00:48:40.280 were dictated and so in addition to the fact that 894 00:48:40.280 --> 00:48:42.000 there were supposed to be three of them, they also 895 00:48:42.039 --> 00:48:44.480 were supposed to have very specific powers. And what I 896 00:48:44.519 --> 00:48:49.880 loved is they didn't have Page come in Rose McGowan's 897 00:48:49.960 --> 00:48:55.719 character come in and just have Shanadherty's powers. He came 898 00:48:55.760 --> 00:48:59.199 in and had the ability to move things with her mind, 899 00:48:59.400 --> 00:49:01.320 but it was has she had the White Lighter bitten 900 00:49:01.400 --> 00:49:02.840 her and she could move it and was in a 901 00:49:02.880 --> 00:49:05.599 different way. She was teleporting things rather than moving them 902 00:49:05.639 --> 00:49:08.960 around in like a more dramatic way. Uh, And I 903 00:49:09.000 --> 00:49:11.480 thought that that was a really really smart way to 904 00:49:11.880 --> 00:49:14.840 get around what they had created as a as a 905 00:49:15.320 --> 00:49:17.880 must be part of the lore, but do it in 906 00:49:17.920 --> 00:49:19.400 a way that was new and different. The other one 907 00:49:19.440 --> 00:49:22.239 I'll say is that Heilly rick Combs. Again, this is 908 00:49:22.360 --> 00:49:25.840 forcause you can't see me. Heill mack Combs has this 909 00:49:25.920 --> 00:49:28.559 like motion every time she freezes or eventually her powers 910 00:49:28.599 --> 00:49:31.079 evolve and she can blow things up. 911 00:49:31.199 --> 00:49:33.280 It's like you're flicking water off your fingernails. 912 00:49:33.280 --> 00:49:37.119 Get yes, click. She just like did that in the pilot, 913 00:49:37.440 --> 00:49:39.039 and she was like, I had no idea the first 914 00:49:39.039 --> 00:49:40.920 time I did that I would be doing that nine 915 00:49:41.039 --> 00:49:43.360 billion times. Same thing with saying the power three will 916 00:49:43.360 --> 00:49:45.199 set us free, which is the spell that they say, 917 00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:49.639 uh far too often to get rid of a big demon. 918 00:49:50.880 --> 00:49:53.079 They they were like, we had no idea that would 919 00:49:53.079 --> 00:49:54.599 be a thing we would do in half the episodes, 920 00:49:54.639 --> 00:49:56.239 and you notice over time they do it less and 921 00:49:56.280 --> 00:49:58.639 less because they were like, we cannot do that anymore, 922 00:49:59.519 --> 00:50:00.119 I am. 923 00:50:00.039 --> 00:50:03.159 Imagine, especially for the actors there. They got to call Bs. 924 00:50:03.679 --> 00:50:05.119 I love that when I asked you to be on 925 00:50:05.119 --> 00:50:08.280 my podcast the first time, you said, I'm not really nerdy. 926 00:50:08.679 --> 00:50:14.159 I'm not nerd about things, Okay, yeah, I sure. What 927 00:50:14.239 --> 00:50:16.800 is the fandom for the show, Like, are there calms 928 00:50:17.039 --> 00:50:21.000 and role play and how does this compare to the 929 00:50:21.000 --> 00:50:24.239 fandom for Buffy which is immense or something like that. 930 00:50:24.360 --> 00:50:27.719 It's certainly like, like I said, there have been comic 931 00:50:27.760 --> 00:50:32.440 books and there's a rewatch podcast that the character that 932 00:50:32.480 --> 00:50:38.360 you haven't met, but basically spoiler alert, Piper and Leo 933 00:50:38.920 --> 00:50:41.719 uh have two kids and one of them ends up 934 00:50:41.719 --> 00:50:44.880 coming back to them from the future. Uh, And it's 935 00:50:44.880 -->

00:50:47.079 a whole season of like is he is he really 936 00:50:47.119 --> 00:50:48.760 our son? Or is he a demon that's pretending to 937 00:50:48.760 --> 00:50:50.559 be our son? And all this sort of stuff. But 938 00:50:50.639 --> 00:50:53.239 he hosts the actor who played that character hosts a 939 00:50:53.239 --> 00:50:57.760 podcast with Holly Mrira Cumbs and Brian Kraus who plays Leo, 940 00:50:58.639 --> 00:51:01.599 where they rewatch and it's very popular and they certainly 941 00:51:01.679 --> 00:51:03.360 get to go all go and do all the cons 942 00:51:03.400 --> 00:51:06.199 and and all of that sort of stuff. Role play. 943 00:51:06.199 --> 00:51:08.199 I'm sure people enjoy on their own. I don't know 944 00:51:08.199 --> 00:51:11.519 if there's like particularly you know, I mentioned Survivor, Like 945 00:51:11.519 --> 00:51:13.559 people go and play Survivor, Like I don't know, people 946 00:51:13.599 --> 00:51:15.800 are like showing up and LARPing as charm characters. But 947 00:51:16.079 --> 00:51:17.559 I'm sure somewhere might exist. 948 00:51:18.920 --> 00:51:22.000 I hope so. And if I could pull off a 949 00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:25.119 mid drift shirt, I would do it. The last one 950 00:51:25.159 --> 00:51:30.360 we watched was the episode twenty two, season seven something Wika. 951 00:51:30.440 --> 00:51:33.320 This way goes a play on the first one. I 952 00:51:33.400 --> 00:51:38.039 did not write down a plot summary, but it starts 953 00:51:38.079 --> 00:51:42.039 with song, the song playing over shots of the city 954 00:51:42.039 --> 00:51:44.639 at night. And the song is so awful, and they 955 00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:49.679 it's called heartless Evil by the heroes Lie and I wrote, God, 956 00:51:49.719 --> 00:51:54.559 it sounds like Creed trying to be docin. It is awful, 957 00:51:55.000 --> 00:51:58.599 and there are It goes on and on because they're like, look, 958 00:51:58.599 --> 00:52:01.000 we're in San Francisco. Do you get it? Do you 959 00:52:01.039 --> 00:52:08.000 get it? I this was Darryl's final episode. He didn't die, 960 00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:09.199 but he left the show. 961 00:52:09.719 --> 00:52:11.199 So one thing that I didn't tell you that you 962 00:52:11.280 --> 00:52:16.199 may have researched and found out was they they thought 963 00:52:16.320 --> 00:52:17.639 they were being canceled. 964 00:52:17.760 --> 00:52:20.000 This felt like it, That's what I wrote. I didn't 965 00:52:20.039 --> 00:52:22.960 find that, but I said, it feels like a series finale. 966 00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:24.639 Did they not know if they were getting picked up? 967 00:52:25.039 --> 00:52:27.039 They not only did they not know, Like the writing 968 00:52:27.079 --> 00:52:32.639 on the wall was we're not getting picked up, and 969 00:52:32.719 --> 00:52:35.800 so this was written. So we'll talk about the plot points, 970 00:52:35.800 --> 00:52:38.119 but just now look at it through the lens of yes, 971 00:52:38.159 --> 00:52:41.559 one hundred percent. This was written as like our final episode, 972 00:52:41.559 --> 00:52:43.320 which is why I chose it as the last one 973 00:52:43.360 --> 00:52:46.400 on the list, because I can talk to you about 974 00:52:46.440 --> 00:52:50.480 season eight in a minute. But this is the end. Internationally, 975 00:52:50.519 --> 00:52:54.519 this was the end. They'd actually didn't send season like 976 00:52:55.480 --> 00:52:59.280 when it aired in China and anywhere internationally for the 977 00:52:59.320 --> 00:53:01.920 most part, at least initially. I think maybe now in 978 00:53:02.039 --> 00:53:05.280 syndication and stuff it airs, but initially it didn't get 979 00:53:05.360 --> 00:53:09.559 sent out to other countries. 980 00:53:11.039 --> 00:53:13.760 I didn't take a ton of plot notes. And here's 981 00:53:13.760 --> 00:53:17.159 why I started writing. I must admit it is feeling 982 00:53:17.320 --> 00:53:21.400 very redundant. They disappear, white lights, bodies being thrown across 983 00:53:21.400 --> 00:53:26.360 the room, bad guys, disintegrating the incantations. I guess the 984 00:53:26.440 --> 00:53:29.440 four you gave me. That makes sense, And now I'm 985 00:53:29.480 --> 00:53:34.440 curious to see ones that our departures. You know, not 986 00:53:34.599 --> 00:53:37.840 as many of these witchy tropes. And I watched them 987 00:53:37.880 --> 00:53:41.440 all over two days, so I was burnt out on 988 00:53:41.480 --> 00:53:41.880 the plot. 989 00:53:41.920 --> 00:53:42.840 I wasn't. 990 00:53:43.079 --> 00:53:45.480 I was just like, oh, really, they can just shoot 991 00:53:45.480 --> 00:53:48.599 someone across the room again. Oh, he disintegrated again. It 992 00:53:48.719 --> 00:53:51.639 just was a lot of I'm going to get those girls. Bah, 993 00:53:51.719 --> 00:53:54.159 I'm gone, I'm going to get those girls. Bah. 994 00:53:54.280 --> 00:53:58.719 Right, Well, spoiler, if you felt that way about this 995 00:53:59.280 --> 00:54:02.119 Power Rangers, you're real gonna feel about feel that way. 996 00:54:03.000 --> 00:54:06.320 But but yes, I mean it was as much as 997 00:54:06.360 --> 00:54:10.559 it was a serialized series, it was very episodic in 998 00:54:10.599 --> 00:54:14.119 the sense of that all that kind of happened in 999 00:54:14.239 --> 00:54:16.800 Washrant's repeat. But do it in a different setting. Do 1000 00:54:16.880 --> 00:54:19.519 it in a magical fairyland, do it in a film 1001 00:54:19.559 --> 00:54:23.519 noir environment, do it in the future or in the 1002 00:54:23.519 --> 00:54:27.639 major past. So yes, I'll have to send you a 1003 00:54:27.639 --> 00:54:30.960 list of just like really just fun one off ones 1004 00:54:31.440 --> 00:54:38.159 in there. And Justin Baldoni Alert, Yes, justin pre Jane 1005 00:54:38.199 --> 00:54:40.719 the Virgin, pre Blake Lively. 1006 00:54:40.440 --> 00:54:44.239 Drama Variety pops up as a henchman, essentially a very 1007 00:54:44.320 -->

00:54:45.800 hot henchman. 1008 00:54:46.440 --> 00:54:51.199 Yes, he's in there. And Becky Newton from Ugly Betty Also, 1009 00:54:51.679 --> 00:54:52.199 I used. 1010 00:54:52.079 --> 00:54:55.320 To know her, Oh amazing in the day. She was 1011 00:54:55.360 --> 00:54:57.840 so sweet and it's hard to believe someone that's stunning 1012 00:54:57.840 --> 00:55:00.840 and talented is so sweet. And I knew her brother 1013 00:55:00.920 --> 00:55:06.280 Matt they were very nice. I read that Kaylee Quoco 1014 00:55:06.360 --> 00:55:09.199 joined the last season, and I love Kaylee Quoco was 1015 00:55:09.440 --> 00:55:12.360 but was she the Ted McGinley. 1016 00:55:11.440 --> 00:55:16.440 I mean its season so so basically what happened was 1017 00:55:16.719 --> 00:55:19.320 at the point the reason that they thought they were 1018 00:55:19.320 --> 00:55:21.679 getting canceled was because that was the writing on the wall. 1019 00:55:21.800 --> 00:55:29.039 But then the WB and upn UH started to discuss 1020 00:55:29.440 --> 00:55:31.599 merging and eventually becoming what would be the c W 1021 00:55:32.280 --> 00:55:36.199 and basically they didn't want to invest in launching a 1022 00:55:36.239 --> 00:55:41.079 new series in the final year of the network, and 1023 00:55:41.119 --> 00:55:43.079 so they were like, why don't we just give Charmed 1024 00:55:43.119 --> 00:55:47.519 one more season and then we'll cancel it before we 1025 00:55:47.679 --> 00:55:51.920 become the CWUH. So that's so we get this. The 1026 00:55:51.960 --> 00:55:58.480 final season does introduce Kaylee Quoco as like a young 1027 00:55:58.880 --> 00:56:06.119 witch who needs guidance and they take her on. What 1028 00:56:06.159 --> 00:56:09.239 I also love though, is this episode ends, which I 1029 00:56:09.239 --> 00:56:11.440 want to get your thoughts on how that season seven 1030 00:56:11.480 --> 00:56:15.719 finale ended, but where basically they glamor themselves to look 1031 00:56:15.800 --> 00:56:18.480 like other people to everyone. So to each other, they 1032 00:56:18.519 --> 00:56:21.559 look like themselves and they can go live their lives 1033 00:56:21.719 --> 00:56:23.960 knowing who each other are, but to everyone else in 1034 00:56:24.000 --> 00:56:26.599 the world, they look like completely different people and so 1035 00:56:26.639 --> 00:56:29.159 that theoretically no one will know that they're the Charmed Ones. 1036 00:56:30.239 --> 00:56:32.920 What did you think of that as a potential series ending. 1037 00:56:33.840 --> 00:56:36.639 I mean, I liked it because it was allowing them 1038 00:56:36.639 --> 00:56:40.719 their freedom and it was touching. I recently did Black 1039 00:56:40.760 --> 00:56:44.039 Mirror the Nosedive episode and I love the end with 1040 00:56:44.079 --> 00:56:46.440 Bryce Dallis Howard in the jail with the guy and 1041 00:56:46.480 --> 00:56:49.119 they're screaming and they can finally be free to just 1042 00:56:49.159 --> 00:56:53.159 screen their heads off. And I thought, after being persecuted 1043 00:56:53.880 --> 00:56:57.639 for seven seasons, it's nice to think these witches could 1044 00:56:58.880 --> 00:57:02.920 just live their lives. Yeah, as these other a you know, 1045 00:57:03.039 --> 00:57:06.599 they put in three other actresses, but you know, but 1046 00:57:06.639 --> 00:57:08.639 it's really us. I liked it. 1047 00:57:08.760 --> 00:57:12.000 I liked it too. I also love that they found 1048 00:57:12.039 --> 00:57:15.320 a way for them to nod to Darryl and you're 1049 00:57:15.360 --> 00:57:17.679 sending Daryl off knowing that they're actually okay that they 1050 00:57:17.719 --> 00:57:20.199 didn't blow up in the house, because what they want 1051 00:57:20.199 --> 00:57:21.639 everyone to think is they blew up in the house 1052 00:57:21.639 --> 00:57:27.480 when they blew up the big bad of the final season, 1053 00:57:28.400 --> 00:57:31.440 and I thought they did a really great job of that. 1054 00:57:32.639 --> 00:57:34.639 And then they come back for season eight and what's 1055 00:57:34.639 --> 00:57:38.599 funny is they have different actresses. Becky Noton does not 1056 00:57:38.639 --> 00:57:41.800 come back for season eight. They have different actresses playing 1057 00:57:41.880 --> 00:57:45.360 the glamoured versions of the charmed ones. And what I 1058 00:57:45.360 --> 00:57:47.320 thought was really smart because you're like, Okay, well, now 1059 00:57:47.360 --> 00:57:49.400 what do they do because they've got they look like 1060 00:57:49.440 --> 00:57:52.239 different people? Will they just go back to looking like 1061 00:57:52.280 --> 00:57:54.599 their old selves or how does this work? And the 1062 00:57:54.639 --> 00:57:57.880 show was really smart and they actually kept these new 1063 00:57:59.000 --> 00:58:03.639 but old selves that they'd created of their glamour bodies, 1064 00:58:04.239 --> 00:58:09.119 and if they were walking around and if they caught 1065 00:58:09.159 --> 00:58:12.239 themselves in a mirror, it was that actress, but if 1066 00:58:12.239 --> 00:58:14.079 they were just walking around the house or everything else, 1067 00:58:14.079 --> 00:58:16.360 it was them. And so that was the way that 1068 00:58:16.400 --> 00:58:18.920 the show is showing you like, oh, this is they're 1069 00:58:18.960 --> 00:58:21.480 seeing each other as themselves, but like other people are 1070 00:58:21.480 --> 00:58:23.360 seeing them as this And I thought that that was 1071 00:58:23.400 --> 00:58:26.599 a really smart thing. Eventually that goes away, but it 1072 00:58:26.760 --> 00:58:29.480 just there was no budget for season eight. They again 1073 00:58:29.519 --> 00:58:31.719 they were kind of just letting it whether on the 1074 00:58:31.800 --> 00:58:35.400 vine to get through the end of the WB So 1075 00:58:35.440 --> 00:58:38.840 they had to shoot everything like it was shot a 1076 00:58:38.880 --> 00:58:40.320 lot on the

Paramount lot, but they had to shoot 1077 00:58:40.360 --> 00:58:42.519 basically everything on the Paramount lot, which is why you 1078 00:58:42.559 --> 00:58:45.559 get a lot more like indoor scenes and things, and 1079 00:58:45.760 --> 00:58:48.159 they had the Magic School that got introduced later on, 1080 00:58:48.199 --> 00:58:50.119 which the Magic School in general was like a concept 1081 00:58:50.119 --> 00:58:50.800 that I didn't love. 1082 00:58:51.159 --> 00:58:52.800 Oh, they opened a magic school. 1083 00:58:53.199 --> 00:58:55.440 They well they get involved in a matter of school 1084 00:58:55.440 --> 00:58:59.880 and they there was a headmaster and then they got 1085 00:59:00.559 --> 00:59:04.800 then they end up running the school, which again cheesy 1086 00:59:05.000 --> 00:59:07.079 like like the magic School stuff I didn't love, but 1087 00:59:07.079 --> 00:59:08.800 I understand the show. I had to evolve and find 1088 00:59:09.000 --> 00:59:11.639 also ways to shoot indoors and and you know, so 1089 00:59:11.880 --> 00:59:14.360 there was like kind of this like Harry Potter School, 1090 00:59:14.360 --> 00:59:16.400 which I'm sure also came into play there. They were 1091 00:59:16.440 --> 00:59:20.320 leading into into the Harry Potter and that was very 1092 00:59:20.320 --> 00:59:24.719 popular at the time. But they also didn't have money 1093 00:59:24.800 --> 00:59:29.159 for all of the old main characters, which is why 1094 00:59:29.239 --> 00:59:33.159 Darryl never comes back. Leo Brian Cross who plays Leo, 1095 00:59:34.079 --> 00:59:36.880 is like gone half the season because he becomes an elder, 1096 00:59:37.400 --> 00:59:39.679 who are like the ones that like run the laws 1097 00:59:39.679 --> 00:59:43.760 of Magic. He's an elder and is always up like 1098 00:59:43.960 --> 00:59:46.360 with the or we say up. It's so interesting. We 1099 00:59:46.400 --> 00:59:49.800 have these like biblical like he's wherever the elders live 1100 00:59:50.840 --> 00:59:52.599 for most of the season, and just like pops In 1101 00:59:52.679 --> 00:59:59.960 and out, so season eight, Yes, exactly, I season eight. 1102 01:00:00.599 --> 01:00:03.840 The show ended with season seven for me, and that's 1103 01:00:03.880 --> 01:00:06.119 no shade to Kaylee Quoco, but it just like she 1104 01:00:06.239 --> 01:00:09.679 came in and was a whole different vibe, and I 1105 01:00:09.800 --> 01:00:12.280 love her. I think she's very talented, but it just 1106 01:00:12.320 --> 01:00:14.679 to me didn't match the show. And she was intentionally 1107 01:00:14.800 --> 01:00:16.800 very blonde and young and like what am I doing? 1108 01:00:17.840 --> 01:00:21.960 And the show just was never the same. So to me, 1109 01:00:22.119 --> 01:00:23.760 to me, the show ended with season seven. 1110 01:00:24.000 --> 01:00:28.760 How angry are those actresses that they didn't get to 1111 01:00:28.840 --> 01:00:30.639 come back and revive their roles? 1112 01:00:31.000 --> 01:00:36.320 Yeah, but Janis Dickinson it plays one of them at 1113 01:00:36.320 --> 01:00:38.239 one point, so you know they were having some fun 1114 01:00:38.280 --> 01:00:39.840 with it. 1115 01:00:39.199 --> 01:00:40.639 But season eight didn't happen. 1116 01:00:41.159 --> 01:00:41.880 Yeah, exactly. 1117 01:00:45.480 --> 01:00:49.360 Yes, Oh my goodness. Okay, I am going to tell 1118 01:00:49.360 --> 01:00:51.840 everybody my business and then if you would like, you 1119 01:00:51.880 --> 01:00:54.880 can share where people can find you. And thank you 1120 01:00:54.960 --> 01:00:57.559 so much for sharing your love for Charmed with me. 1121 01:00:58.920 --> 01:01:01.039 I want to tell everybody that make Me a Nerd 1122 01:01:01.159 --> 01:01:04.559 is a production of True Story FM. The engineering is 1123 01:01:04.639 --> 01:01:09.840 by the peerless Pete Wright. My song is Jane and 1124 01:01:09.880 --> 01:01:13.400 the Boy Wonder Strup. You can get me on socials 1125 01:01:13.519 --> 01:01:17.800 at Mandy Underscore, Kaplan, Underscore Claven's both with ks on 1126 01:01:17.880 --> 01:01:23.400 Instagram or on what's it called TikTok and Blue Sky. 1127 01:01:23.519 --> 01:01:28.519 I think yeah, Mandy Miscast. If you are feeling very supportive, 1128 01:01:28.639 --> 01:01:31.760 please please leave a five star review on Apple Podcasts 1129 01:01:31.800 --> 01:01:37.239 and consider joining the member's only feed, which gets you 1130 01:01:37.320 --> 01:01:40.840 episodes ad free and early. 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