Full Transcript for Interdimensional Beings, AI, and the Mark of the Beast: Are We Living in End Times?

know? 50 00:04:38.159 --> 00:04:40.100 So I've been trying to figure out what's going on here. 51 00:04:40.140 --> 00:04:41.720 So how do we take care of our health? 52 00:04:42.340 --> 00:04:51.642 But beyond that, because in this onslaught of all of these, not just health protocols that are wrong, but like devices that are intentionally addictive, right? 53 00:04:51.862 --> 00:04:58.027 medications that are actually poisonous, surgeries that are actually destructive and don't repair the things they're supposed to. 54 00:04:58.047 --> 00:04:59.288 I mean, we could just go on and on. 55 00:04:59.569 --> 00:05:01.230 So in light of that, how do we become healthy? 56 00:05:01.330 --> 00:05:09.577 And then how do I not get so wrapped up in that and spend so much time in that that I don't ask the real question, which is more important? 57 00:05:09.757 --> 00:05:11.338 Because, you know, imagine if you were... 58 00:05:12.179 --> 00:05:14.781 raised in a world where actually everything was flipped. 59 00:05:14.901 --> 00:05:20.664 Any technology that was developed was only developed if it could enhance your health or was only all the technologies. 60 00:05:20.684 --> 00:05:22.245 Imagine they were all biocompatible. 61 00:05:22.705 --> 00:05:33.591 So instead of a, you know, an Instagram account that is intentionally addictive and destructive to your ability to think, you know, long-term or hold, you know, short-term memories, instead it was designed to improve you. 62 00:05:33.631 --> 00:05:34.771 You know, that could be done as well. 63 00:05:34.791 --> 00:05:37.393 Like what if television, instead of being used to just 64 00:05:38.093 --> 00:05:43.856 entertain you with more slop was actually designed to, you know, was used to elevate your consciousness, right? 65 00:05:43.876 --> 00:05:45.037 Like imagine a world like that. 66 00:05:45.297 --> 00:05:49.420 Well, then we'd be have all this free time to ask ourselves, like, what is this place? 67 00:05:49.800 --> 00:05:50.781 What is this for? 68 00:05:50.861 --> 00:05:52.662 What is this experience of life? 69 00:05:53.858 --> 00:06:04.886 But we're not able to ask that question most of the time because we're so busy treading water in this human factory farm slash dystopian anti-health milieu that we're in. 70 00:06:05.446 --> 00:06:12.851 So my life, who I am, I'm a person who wants to align my life with my creator's desire for me. 71 00:06:13.372 --> 00:06:17.354 I'm a person who wants to take good care of this body that I was giving. 72 00:06:17.374 --> 00:06:21.738 So I have time to ask these questions and pursue them to whatever answers I can get to. 73 00:06:22.478 --> 00:06:31.137 And then lastly, I guess I'm somebody who really wants to try to give some of that back to people in a way that's like, feels a little bit like one of those maybe medieval, 74 00:06:32.393 --> 00:06:56.340 battlefield movies where like the guys riding the horse out in front of all the troops at first rallying them

to get them like excited and ready for what's about to happen you know like that's kind of what i feel like my job is is is to just kind of like remind people of what an incredible opportunity we have being alive right now being on this planet and getting to live through probably what's the most wild and exciting moment in human history ever yeah i'm curious about 75 00:06:57.180 --> 00:07:05.582 your question when you were little, because within peak performance psychology and NLP, you have this phrase of calling it a meta question. 76 00:07:06.302 --> 00:07:14.005 Like you have a question that guides a lot of your thinking, a lot of your decisions, a lot of your reticular activation system. 77 00:07:14.045 --> 00:07:15.385 So you were asking, what is this? 78 00:07:15.845 --> 00:07:18.766 Do you live with another question today? 79 00:07:19.246 --> 00:07:24.347 What is your bigger question that you are maybe constantly asking yourself, consciously or unconsciously? 80 00:07:24.747 --> 00:07:26.408 For most people, it's unconsciously. 81 00:07:27.579 --> 00:07:29.420 Why does this always happen to me? 82 00:07:29.760 --> 00:07:32.040 Many people have that type of meta question. 83 00:07:32.941 --> 00:07:34.661 Which makes their life suck. 84 00:07:35.081 --> 00:07:37.142 I was going to say, that one's not what's plaguing me. 85 00:07:37.162 --> 00:07:38.382 Why am I so blessed? 86 00:07:38.762 --> 00:07:41.463 If you have that meta question, you get a completely different life. 87 00:07:42.083 --> 00:07:42.743 Yeah, wow. 88 00:07:43.604 --> 00:07:44.864 I'd like it to be that question. 89 00:07:45.064 --> 00:07:45.984 Yeah. 90 00:07:46.024 --> 00:07:48.065 That sometimes gets called like pro-noia, right? 91 00:07:48.125 --> 00:07:49.385 Yeah, pro-noia. 92 00:07:49.525 --> 00:07:50.326 Pro-noia. 93 00:07:50.946 --> 00:07:51.266 Yeah. 94 00:07:51.886 --> 00:07:54.827 I'm born on an equinox, and I think that 95 00:07:55.862 --> 00:07:57.382 Like, I think astrology is a real thing. 96 00:07:57.843 --> 00:08:02.424 I don't think that it's not like in the newspaper, you know, horoscope, but I do think it's a real thing. 97 00:08:02.684 --> 00:08:06.765 And that comes from many years of having looked at it and seen what it actually is. 98 00:08:06.805 --> 00:08:14.227 But if a skeptic heard me say that, I would just sound ridiculous, but they would actually be the one who hadn't really gone deep into the science of what it actually is. 99 00:08:14.247 --> 00:08:16.268 It's incredible, deep, ancient, ancient science. 100 00:08:16.568 --> 00:08:17.448 And I'm born on an equinox. 101 00:08:17.468 --> 00:08:22.470 And I think that that's caused me to a fault to want to try to balance extremes in myself. 102 00:08:23.489 --> 00:08:24.670 It doesn't make me balanced. 103 00:08:24.830 --> 00:08:28.212 It makes me want to like, if I have one extreme, I want the other extreme. 104 00:08:28.813 --> 00:08:31.074 So I have probably a good mix of paranoia and pronoia. 105 00:08:31.094 --> 00:08:38.979 So I wish I just had that question that you were, but I'm very interested in, I guess it's something of, it's something like, how do I live now? 106 00:08:39.339 --> 00:08:41.281 Because I don't believe this is everything. 107 00:08:41.321 --> 00:08:50.427 I think there's something after this or concurrent with this, or, you know, I'm putting that into like our temporal model that we live with, you know, as like future past and present. 108 00:08:50.447 --> 00:08:51.788 But, but what, 109 00:08:52.635 --> 00:08:55.597 I think that my soul exists beyond this. 110 00:08:55.637 --> 00:09:02.642 And so I want to make sure that I'm aligning myself well with that. 111 00:09:02.943 --> 00:09:04.824 This is such a temporary experience. 112 00:09:05.304 --> 00:09:10.128 So how do I align myself with what's next so that I get the most out of this opportunity of being here? 113 00:09:10.168 --> 00:09:12.990 Because I think that this life is for a reason. 114 00:09:13.310 --> 00:09:15.092 It's doing something for our soul. 115 00:09:15.172 --> 00:09:18.194 You know, I don't want to be too cliche and be like, it's a school for our soul to a 116 00:09:18.494 --> 00:09:23.076 you know, but something like that, or maybe to see what we choose to align ourselves with while we're here. 117 00:09:23.136 --> 00:09:26.018 But I want to go to a higher frequency, not a lower one. 118 00:09:26.078 --> 00:09:28.959 So I'm very interested in what that work looks like. 119 00:09:28.979 --> 00:09:31.040 And surprisingly, it's not what I thought. 120 00:09:31.300 --> 00:09:32.281 That's what I'm finding out. 121 00:09:32.301 --> 00:09:33.441 I'm getting close to 50 now. 122 00:09:34.002 --> 00:09:37.183 So I'm getting a little bit of, you know, half a century of perspective. 123 00:09:38.564 --> 00:09:41.625 And it's not quite what I thought at first, you know, it's different. 124 00:09:42.726 --> 00:09:43.526 And what's the difference? 125 00:09:43.786 --> 00:09:45.047 Yeah, I, you know, I thought, 126 00:09:46.258 --> 00:09:54.751 I thought that all those people who were like, well, first of all, I thought like maybe the world was just full of all these sheeple and my goal was to be like one of the awakened ones. 127 00:09:54.771 --> 00:09:56.714 And then I found all those other awakened ones. 128 00:09:56.734 --> 00:09:58.357 And then I found all that's a fraud. 129 00:09:59.383 --> 00:10:04.986 Like that whole like new age world of all the people raising their frequency and, you know, doing all the meditations and mantras. 130 00:10:05.046 --> 00:10:09.748 And at the end of the day, what I found, that's just a bunch of sex, drugs and rock and roll is what's actually going on. 131 00:10:09.768 --> 00:10:14.630 They present one thing to the public, but behind the scenes, you find a really different world. 132 00:10:14.730 --> 00:10:15.931 I say that from a lot. 133 00:10:16.151 --> 00:10:24.915 I mean, decades of experience in the

deep in those worlds, you know, all the ayahuasca ceremonies and all the medicine people and all of the. 134 00:10:25.712 --> 00:10:27.213 you know, deep meditations. 135 00:10:27.273 --> 00:10:31.597 And I was always at the hot springs with the big group staring at the sun at dusk. 136 00:10:31.637 --> 00:10:41.266 And, you know, we were doing all the performative stuff, but in the end it was just like a bunch of really messed up people, um, who were covering over those character roles. 137 00:10:41.846 --> 00:10:42.206 flaws. 138 00:10:42.246 --> 00:10:44.168 I'm not blaming any of us for having character flaws. 139 00:10:44.188 --> 00:10:50.913 We live in a really complicated world that creates them, but covering over that stuff and performatively pretending to be okay. 140 00:10:50.933 --> 00:10:53.375 And not just okay, but like enlightened. 141 00:10:53.576 --> 00:11:01.182 And I've kind of come to the conclusion that actually what's more important is day to day, how do I serve? 142 00:11:01.322 --> 00:11:02.403 How do I bless people? 143 00:11:03.263 --> 00:11:05.045 How do I maintain my integrity? 144 00:11:06.026 --> 00:11:09.228 Every day is like the temptation of Christ in a way. 145 00:11:09.268 --> 00:11:09.508 It's like, 146 00:11:12.003 --> 00:11:15.124 to align yourself with things that are selfish. 147 00:11:16.545 --> 00:11:26.149 And that would seem to be right in some ways, like, especially if you've bought into this big bang evolutionary theory, it's like, well, then that would make the most sense, right? 148 00:11:26.169 --> 00:11:27.850 It's all about your fitness and everything. 149 00:11:27.870 --> 00:11:35.453 And it's like, I'm just coming to learn in the second part of my life that, you know, 150 00:11:37.035 --> 00:11:47.812 helping the old lady get across the crosswalk is a lot more important than, you know, how many hours you sit in meditation or how many ayahuasca ceremonies you've been to, or, you know, you know, 151 00:11:48.669 --> 00:11:51.891 how many gurus you've sat in front, like all that stuff is performative. 152 00:11:52.071 --> 00:11:55.612 What I think really matters is the true goodness inside of us. 153 00:11:55.692 --> 00:11:59.514 And of course, like the healthier I am, the more I can do that. 154 00:11:59.554 --> 00:12:01.395 The fitter I am, the more I can do that. 155 00:12:01.435 --> 00:12:02.256 So there's a balance. 156 00:12:02.276 --> 00:12:09.039 Like I need to balance those selfish things, you know, make sure I eat good, make sure I exercise right, make sure I'm doing all my practices. 157 00:12:10.159 --> 00:12:13.181 But day to day, I just think it matters more that we serve others. 158 00:12:13.381 --> 00:12:15.562 And right now I think we're engaged in, we're not going to do that. 159 00:12:15.967 --> 00:12:24.451 You know, if five years ago you'd interviewed me here and I said, oh, we're engaged in like a cosmic spiritual struggle, it might seem like, oh, this guy's a little out there. 160 00:12:24.831 --> 00:12:33.655 And now today when they're talking about, you know, on the news, four types of aliens and, you know, the idea that they're interdimensional. 161 00:12:33.795 --> 00:12:43.540 And oh, yeah, like our sitting president and other presidents and monarchs from the UK have been involved in a massive child sex trafficking ring where people. 162 00:12:43.640 --> 00:12:46.662 Children might even be consumed as food at times. 163 00:12:46.742 --> 00:12:51.964 And, you know, like as all this stuff comes out, it's like not so far out anymore. 164 00:12:52.044 --> 00:12:55.086 I think people are starting to understand that we live in. 165 00:12:55.466 --> 00:12:56.006 So here's the thing. 166 00:12:56.026 --> 00:13:02.430 Like, it's very obvious that if you go out into the woods, it's a complex, it's a complicated ecosystem. 167 00:13:02.450 --> 00:13:03.130 Yeah. 168 00:13:03.341 --> 00:13:09.005 you know, because you have predators, but you have herbivores, but you also have parasites and symbiotes. 169 00:13:09.045 --> 00:13:10.547 You have plant life, fungal life. 170 00:13:10.587 --> 00:13:11.888 It's a complex ecosystem. 171 00:13:12.828 --> 00:13:15.470 I think the spiritual world is a complex ecosystem too. 172 00:13:15.671 --> 00:13:21.115 And we've had a very simplistic kids coloring book version of it in our minds. 173 00:13:21.595 --> 00:13:27.420 And I think now we're starting to see things are a lot more complicated and more interesting than we ever really understood. 174 00:13:27.600 --> 00:13:29.961 There are so many things we could dissect from that. 175 00:13:30.142 --> 00:13:30.322 But 176 00:13:31.373 --> 00:13:38.835 Let's go with what's a so quote unquote conspiracy theory that you wish everybody knew about? 177 00:13:39.975 --> 00:13:43.836 And what would be the effect of everybody knowing about this conspiracy theory? 178 00:13:45.517 --> 00:13:51.358 Just the whole thing is getting complicated now because a lot of things we call conspiracy theories have actually recently been verified, right? 179 00:13:51.598 --> 00:13:58.100 But we still also have like this huge group of people still calling it conspiracy theories. 180 00:13:58.700 --> 00:13:59.000 Yeah. 181 00:13:59.280 --> 00:14:12.965 Even though we have a lot of people waking up doing their own research, everything from adrenochrome and child sacrifice to the COVID vaccines and big pharma, you know, just fill in the list. 182 00:14:13.765 --> 00:14:14.065 Yeah. 183 00:14:14.746 --> 00:14:15.826 There's quite a bit, man. 184 00:14:15.966 --> 00:14:18.647 It's hard for me to narrow down to just one thing. 185 00:14:19.367 --> 00:14:24.769 I don't think people fully understand how much the world's been manipulated at a practical, physical level. 186 00:14:25.489 --> 00:14:27.050 Like right now, I'm really into... 187 00:14:28.842 --> 00:14:32.124 understanding why we're dealing with such a tick epidemic here. 188 00:14:33.205 --> 00:14:34.406

Yeah, what's that about? 189 00:14:35.066 --> 00:14:47.334 Well, as I dig deeper, it just turns out that Cold War era, there was a lot of bioweapons research on how do you weaponize insects and create pestilence that you could deliver covertly 190 00:14:48.566 --> 00:14:56.217 into enemy territory and then have people develop illnesses that are difficult to diagnose, but that would take people out of the fight. 191 00:14:56.818 --> 00:14:58.260 So they were weaponizing ticks. 192 00:14:58.681 --> 00:14:59.682 It's one of the vectors. 193 00:15:00.780 --> 00:15:13.594 And now it's looking like this Lyme disease epidemic in the United States might be a bioweapons leak out of Plum Island that is right near Lyme, Connecticut, where Lyme disease first started to emerge. 194 00:15:13.634 --> 00:15:19.260 Now, if you start to Google around about that, it's like, no, the spirochete genetics have been found in Otzi the Iceman. 195 00:15:19.480 --> 00:15:20.721 Lyme disease has been around forever. 196 00:15:21.322 --> 00:15:22.423 It's like, yeah, I know. 197 00:15:22.783 --> 00:15:25.245 Just like coronaviruses have been around forever. 198 00:15:25.626 --> 00:15:32.872 But that doesn't mean that they weren't gain a function at some point and then weaponized and escaped. 199 00:15:33.132 --> 00:15:33.352 Right. 200 00:15:33.372 --> 00:15:38.737 You remember when that was like a conspiracy theory and now it's like the FBI has come out and said that's their opinion. 201 00:15:39.237 --> 00:15:47.484 You know, like it took two years for every conspiracy conspiracy theory around the covid vaccine and like that whole period. 202 00:15:47.505 --> 00:15:47.605 Yeah. 203 00:15:48.205 --> 00:15:51.648 to be verified by the mainstream news. 204 00:15:52.248 --> 00:15:52.408 Yeah. 205 00:15:52.808 --> 00:16:00.634 So, so some other ones, so that's one is like how much of the illness that we experience in our world is actually natural and how much of it has been weaponized. 206 00:16:01.294 --> 00:16:02.795 That's one thing I'm really interested in. 207 00:16:02.815 --> 00:16:05.437 And, and, you know, it, it gets blamed. 208 00:16:05.557 --> 00:16:08.980 So, so like if I was to walk it through my backyard right now in the tall grass, 209 00:16:10.468 --> 00:16:15.909 It would be nothing for me to come out with 15 ticks if I just took like 100 meters through the tall grass. 210 00:16:16.509 --> 00:16:18.370 I probably have about 15 ticks on me at the end of that. 211 00:16:18.850 --> 00:16:19.530 Is this normal? 212 00:16:19.870 --> 00:16:23.091 Or is this... Well, when I was a kid, I didn't see a tick. 213 00:16:23.251 --> 00:16:28.432 I didn't personally see a tick with my own eyes until probably like 15 years ago. 214 00:16:28.632 --> 00:16:31.373 And 15 years ago, you wouldn't have gotten that many ticks on you. 215 00:16:31.673 --> 00:16:32.733 You didn't see them that often. 216 00:16:33.793 --> 00:16:36.314 And then there was this tremendous explosion of ticks. 217 00:16:37.285 --> 00:16:43.968 And now, unfortunately, we're seeing here in Maine, where I live, we're starting to see the first of the Lone Star ticks. 218 00:16:44.008 --> 00:16:47.490 And that's the tick that can cause the alpha-gal allergy. 219 00:16:47.510 --> 00:16:50.131 It's got the alpha-gal sugar in its saliva. 220 00:16:50.211 --> 00:16:54.953 And so it creates that red meat allergy or that mammalian meat allergy. 221 00:16:55.153 --> 00:16:59.435 And that is just so happens to be happening at the same time that we're seeing. 222 00:16:59.455 --> 00:17:00.936 Let's connect the dots here, Daniel. 223 00:17:01.276 --> 00:17:01.576 Yeah. 224 00:17:01.616 --> 00:17:02.816 What we're seeing is like. 225 00:17:02.856 --> 00:17:05.918 The meat allergy, my thoughts just went to Bill Gates. 226 00:17:06.458 --> 00:17:09.859 Yeah, I mean, I, you know, I can I directly connect him? 227 00:17:09.919 --> 00:17:10.119 No. 228 00:17:10.159 --> 00:17:19.903 But I mean, you've got all these characters out there, not just pushing fake meat products, but also claiming that it's our consumption of meat that's bad for the environment. 229 00:17:19.923 --> 00:17:28.006 And then it's these, you know, like, it blows my mind the idea that, you know, you'll hear this conventional history say there was 60 million bison. 230 00:17:29.230 --> 00:17:33.313 on the plains and their farts evidently weren't causing climate change, but now cows are. 231 00:17:33.333 --> 00:17:35.275 It's just the whole thing is absurd. 232 00:17:35.295 --> 00:17:36.896 See, what they always do is they blame us. 233 00:17:37.116 --> 00:17:39.218 They institute it, then they blame us, right? 234 00:17:39.258 --> 00:17:42.000 Like here's another one, another conspiracy. 235 00:17:42.020 --> 00:17:47.304 I'm going to tie this back, but I really think people need to see this PBS. 236 00:17:47.324 --> 00:17:48.785 That's public broadcasting. 237 00:17:48.805 --> 00:17:51.146 That's like public television here in the United States. 238 00:17:51.166 --> 00:17:56.370 We have all our corporate television, but then we have like public television as well, publicly funded stuff. 239 00:17:56.410 --> 00:17:57.952 And, you know, that's where you'd watch like, 240 00:17:58.862 --> 00:18:00.584 Mr. Rogers and Sesame Street or something. 241 00:18:00.604 --> 00:18:04.868 But they made a three-part documentary called The Century of the Self. 242 00:18:05.889 --> 00:18:07.591 And it's about Edward Bernays. 243 00:18:07.771 --> 00:18:10.494 And Edward Bernays is Sigmund Freud's nephew. 244 00:18:11.195 --> 00:18:12.336 Are you familiar with any of this, Morgan? 245 00:18:12.356 --> 00:18:13.177 Do you know who I'm talking about? 246 00:18:14.418 --> 00:18:16.801 Yeah, just on the surface. 247 00:18:17.205 --> 00:18:19.306 Okay, this is a deep one for people. 248 00:18:20.046 --> 00:18:28.528 So Sigmund Freud's really interesting because his Freudian psychology is the foundation for all of this

mind control and psyoping that we're experiencing. 249 00:18:28.728 --> 00:18:32.089 You basically have these like two schools of thought in psychology. 250 00:18:32.249 --> 00:18:35.129 One is Freudian and the other one is Jungian. 251 00:18:35.569 --> 00:18:37.270 And Jung was a student of Freud. 252 00:18:37.670 --> 00:18:45.832 And Jung created all of this idea of archetype and that archetypes are these things that are eternal and exist 253 00:18:47.203 --> 00:18:51.945 You embody archetypes, but you die and that thing persists almost like a god or something. 254 00:18:52.585 --> 00:18:54.165 And so we have all these different archetypes. 255 00:18:54.205 --> 00:19:01.888 And that archetypes are the foundations of general human mythology and story, particularly the hero's journey, right? 256 00:19:01.908 --> 00:19:04.449 It's this journey through all these different archetypes. 257 00:19:04.469 --> 00:19:11.751 So archetypes would be like the king, the queen, the emperor, the sage, the warrior, the monk. 258 00:19:11.811 --> 00:19:14.832 These are all like, these are real things, but they're also archetypes. 259 00:19:15.857 --> 00:19:23.783 Okay, that kind of psychology is used to help people develop kind of like up the Maslow hierarchy of needs to self-actualization. 260 00:19:24.403 --> 00:19:28.406 But Freudian psychology, which is dominant, is used to control the masses. 261 00:19:29.495 --> 00:19:31.216 Now, Freud developed his theories. 262 00:19:31.556 --> 00:19:33.658 And the whole story of Freud is really interesting. 263 00:19:33.698 --> 00:19:36.520 I just finished a book called, what was it called? 264 00:19:36.860 --> 00:19:39.262 I have to come back to the title. 265 00:19:39.442 --> 00:19:41.243 The Suppression of Truth, I think. 266 00:19:41.443 --> 00:19:50.790 And it's about how Freud's whole developed a whole theory of mental illness that said, the root cause of adult mental illness is childhood sexual abuse. 267 00:19:51.992 --> 00:19:56.496 Then that caused a big stir in the world of psychology. 268 00:19:56.556 --> 00:19:59.239 And then he completely reversed and buried that theory and hit it. 269 00:20:00.440 --> 00:20:00.720 Why? 270 00:20:01.461 --> 00:20:02.902 Well, now we're starting to see why. 271 00:20:02.922 --> 00:20:04.764 Because the... 272 00:20:05.968 --> 00:20:14.513 he was outing childhood sexual abuse, which we're now learning is foundational to how our entire system works, actually. 273 00:20:15.193 --> 00:20:16.114 So he hid that. 274 00:20:16.774 --> 00:20:23.938 Well, he went on to develop all the psychology that was used by his nephew who came to the United States and, 275 00:20:24.158 --> 00:20:26.900 And he's the one who developed propaganda. 276 00:20:27.040 --> 00:20:29.121 He actually wrote the book called Propaganda. 277 00:20:30.062 --> 00:20:32.723 He was the guy that got fluoride put into water. 278 00:20:33.363 --> 00:20:35.785 He was the guy that got women to start smoking cigarettes. 279 00:20:35.985 --> 00:20:39.487 This guy was the one that all the food companies and corporations worked with. 280 00:20:39.527 --> 00:20:42.709 He worked with the CIA, the DOD, the United States government. 281 00:20:42.929 --> 00:20:45.831 He's foundational to how all of this... 282 00:20:47.316 --> 00:20:49.637 This whole lifestyle was sold to the people. 283 00:20:50.657 --> 00:21:02.220 Now that it's been sold to us and we embraced it begrudgingly, like we didn't used to live in a world where everything was about consumption and everything was about status and everything was about what stuff do I have to have? 284 00:21:02.260 --> 00:21:08.602 That was all pushed on us very heavily using Freudian psychology, fear tactics and base instincts that are in us. 285 00:21:08.782 --> 00:21:13.744 And now they're flipping the script and telling us where we've destroyed the world because we want to do all that. 286 00:21:14.764 --> 00:21:15.845 And we didn't want to do that. 287 00:21:15.985 --> 00:21:19.307 That was pushed on us by these governments and corporations, right? 288 00:21:19.347 --> 00:21:23.910 So similarly, they created the factory farm system, not the people. 289 00:21:24.151 --> 00:21:25.251 The people never wanted that. 290 00:21:25.471 --> 00:21:31.916 All we want to do is like grow healthy organic food and like raise our families and self-actualize, right? 291 00:21:32.416 --> 00:21:37.440 But these corporate interests created a factory farm system that now they're blaming for, 292 00:21:38.060 --> 00:21:48.784 after they've subsumed the entire natural food industry, now they're blaming climate change on their system, but making it seem like it was us that instituted it and trying to suppress the people with that. 293 00:21:48.824 --> 00:21:49.384 You see what I'm saying? 294 00:21:49.424 --> 00:21:54.066 Like they, they always like flip it on us, like it was us and it was never us. 295 00:21:54.306 --> 00:22:06.090 So another big conspiracy I'd like people to understand is about Edward Bernays and the role that he played with his uncle Sigmund Freud in not only suppressing that child molestation was extremely widespread. 296 00:22:06.110 --> 00:22:06.170 It, 297 00:22:06.710 --> 00:22:09.013 extremely widespread just as it is today. 298 00:22:09.574 --> 00:22:11.858 And we're kind of understanding that now with what we're hearing. 299 00:22:12.238 --> 00:22:16.044 You know, when I first started hearing about human trafficking, I didn't really understand what we were talking about. 300 00:22:16.064 --> 00:22:18.007 It took me a while to figure out what we were talking about. 301 00:22:18.628 --> 00:22:22.393 Now I understand there's more living slaves today than at any other time in history. 302 00:22:23.608 --> 00:22:24.448 That's wild. 303 00:22:24.789 --> 00:22:25.909 People need to wake up to that. 304 00:22:26.430 --> 00:22:27.470 Slavery is rampant. 305 00:22:27.670 --> 00:22:30.192 There's 50 million enslaved people today.

306 00:22:30.672 --> 00:22:31.893 That's astonishing. 307 00:22:32.433 --> 00:22:33.253 But there's others, man. 308 00:22:33.293 --> 00:22:37.416 It's like, I would like people to understand that the space station is 250 miles up. 309 00:22:37.556 --> 00:22:39.197 It is not in outer space. 310 00:22:40.263 --> 00:22:41.505 We don't go to outer space. 311 00:22:41.745 --> 00:22:44.008 It's 250 miles up in low Earth orbit. 312 00:22:44.508 --> 00:22:48.213 I don't know if we really went to the moon, but I know that footage isn't real. 313 00:22:48.573 --> 00:22:54.561 I mean, you know, and if you want to believe we went to the moon in 1969, it's like, okay, so we had... 314 00:22:55.702 --> 00:23:07.866 1969 technology took us to the moon and then we got back and we taped over all the original footage and we destroyed all of the technical information needed to return to the moon. 315 00:23:08.187 --> 00:23:11.348 And we never went back for it's been like 50 years. 316 00:23:11.428 --> 00:23:14.229 It's like that's a really hard story to swallow, you know. 317 00:23:14.409 --> 00:23:22.812 But if you believe it, your idea of what human beings can do versus what you would think humans can do if you didn't have that story is profound. 318 00:23:24.203 --> 00:23:33.633 You know, because we've lived, we grew up with Star Trek, Star Wars, a gazillion alien invasion movies, this constant idea of space as if we're exploring. 319 00:23:33.673 --> 00:23:42.123 I think it leaves people with the subconscious impression that we're exploring space when really all we can do is go up into high Earth orbit. 320 00:23:42.523 --> 00:23:53.113 I don't know what happened with that Artemis mission, if that's real or not, but I'll say this, like they didn't do a good job of convincing people with all the CGI footage that they used and the green screens that they got busted on over and over again. 321 00:23:53.413 --> 00:23:56.796 And they're not doing a good job with the... 322 00:23:58.253 --> 00:23:58.893 How do you say it? 323 00:23:58.913 --> 00:24:03.097 Like, it's just none of it's, unfortunately, they've done a lot of things to make it not very believable. 324 00:24:03.337 --> 00:24:06.339 And so NASA's credibility, I think, is really, really low. 325 00:24:06.659 --> 00:24:10.942 All these images, they show us of the Earth, and then we find constantly that it's Photoshopped. 326 00:24:11.363 --> 00:24:15.586 The clouds repeat, all these kind of things where it makes it really suspect. 327 00:24:15.666 --> 00:24:24.492 So it kind of seems like we have created the impression that human beings are way more technologically powerful than we are, and that we have the ability to leave the Earth 328 00:24:25.393 --> 00:24:29.176 And I think all of that's foundational to, I'm not a flat earth person. 329 00:24:29.216 --> 00:24:39.683 I'm not like a space is fake person or, you know, I mean, I've seen the, the, the level that the conspiracy, because once the conspiracy theories are all proven now, if you're a conspiracy theorist, you got to go to like some pretty, you know, 330 00:24:40.369 --> 00:24:42.009 fringe areas for the new conspiracy. 331 00:24:42.129 --> 00:24:46.951 Because after a while, you got to say like, well, I proved that wrong and that was wrong and that was wrong. 332 00:24:47.311 --> 00:24:49.531 So this too must be wrong. 333 00:24:50.091 --> 00:24:53.172 Everything must be questioned. 334 00:24:53.272 --> 00:25:04.895 And that can be healthy, but that can also take you to insane places because I got so many friends that have went down so many rabbit holes. 335 00:25:05.695 --> 00:25:13.002 That they just get mentally exhausted, spiritually exhausted, and they get like really burnt out. 336 00:25:13.342 --> 00:25:15.144 Like physically burnt out. 337 00:25:15.164 --> 00:25:16.165 They can't work anymore. 338 00:25:16.645 --> 00:25:19.848 You can't find your way back from the rabbit trails, right? 339 00:25:20.149 --> 00:25:20.909 Yeah. 340 00:25:21.210 --> 00:25:23.312 And people end up starting to believe like, 341 00:25:24.646 --> 00:25:28.747 That everybody around them is like living in an illusion and they're the only ones who are woken up. 342 00:25:28.767 --> 00:25:34.529 And that's a dangerous place to be too, because like I was saying before, I think what's really matters is taking care of other people. 343 00:25:34.549 --> 00:25:40.470 But if you start viewing everybody as like dumb cattle, now you're just like the elites, you know, who kind of view us like dumb cattle. 344 00:25:40.490 --> 00:25:41.650 So I think you got to be careful with that. 345 00:25:41.710 --> 00:25:44.451 But that said, I don't really trust much out of NASA. 346 00:25:44.471 --> 00:25:46.512 I think last time you and I spoke, we talked about it. 347 00:25:46.552 --> 00:25:46.792 I mean, 348 00:25:47.572 --> 00:26:03.577 The foundations of NASA are freaky deaky between, you know, Nazi scientists like Warner Von Braun or, you know, Jack Parsons and L. Ron Hubbard doing all the initial rocket testing or, you know, their connection to Aleister Crowley, satanic sex magic stuff. 349 00:26:03.837 --> 00:26:06.058 It's like that's the foundations of our space program. 350 00:26:06.978 --> 00:26:14.667 Something I point out, I got a lot of Christian friends who are such wonderful people, but kind of have like pretty normie views on things. 351 00:26:14.847 --> 00:26:18.952 And they're really rah, rah, rah, you know, patriotism. 352 00:26:19.532 --> 00:26:21.414 And I'm always like pointing out to them, guys, like... 353 00:26:22.235 --> 00:26:26.977 why are all our space programs named after like pagan gods? 354 00:26:26.997 --> 00:26:29.458 You know, because they think like we live in a Christian country. 355 00:26:29.498 --> 00:26:36.100 I'll be like, okay, how come all of the Capitol buildings are laid out like pagan temples? 356 00:26:36.521 --> 00:26:37.221 Exactly. 357 00:26:37.361 --> 00:26:37.521 Right. 358

00:26:37.541 --> 00:26:40.782 Why is there a giant obelisk in the middle of DC? 359 00:26:41.202 --> 00:26:43.303 You know, like this is not Christian stuff. 360 00:26:43.463 --> 00:26:45.084 And, you know, when you're naming all of your... 361 00:26:45.784 --> 00:26:53.130 your rockets and all of your space programs, Mercury and Apollo and Artemis. 362 00:26:53.690 --> 00:26:55.832 Those aren't Christian titles, you know what I mean? 363 00:26:55.952 --> 00:26:59.494 But anyway, yeah, so the origins of all that, super weird stuff. 364 00:26:59.755 --> 00:27:05.199 And I think what these aren't a whole bunch of random conspiracy theories, I'm just throwing it up. 365 00:27:05.239 --> 00:27:13.045 They're all connected into one scheme to create essentially a completely artificial system 366 00:27:14.297 --> 00:27:36.108 construct of reality and convincing people like the emperor wears no clothes allegory where what happens is people see things with their own eyes but can't see them because they've been programmed to interpret everything through a different lens and that lens is a fiction and i i personally think that the whole reason has something to do with 367 00:27:37.242 --> 00:27:41.503 Ultimately, this is going to sound real weird, but I just think that it's about trapping our souls. 368 00:27:42.323 --> 00:27:52.746 I don't know if it's because our lives and our souls are like food for something or an energy source for something. 369 00:27:53.766 --> 00:27:59.228 But there's a suppression of human flourishing and almost all these conspiracies just come back. 370 00:28:00.213 --> 00:28:03.575 You know, it's like I was mentioning before Edward Bernays and the fluoride story. 371 00:28:03.695 --> 00:28:07.317 You know, now we have Harvard studies showing that fluoride lowers IQ. 372 00:28:08.317 --> 00:28:10.938 But people still aren't like, well, why was it ever put in the water? 373 00:28:10.978 --> 00:28:14.080 Well, like, let me explain why, if you're wondering, like, here's why. 374 00:28:14.140 --> 00:28:15.921 Not you, but just somebody who's listening and wondering. 375 00:28:16.681 --> 00:28:19.843 The aluminum industry had a byproduct of fluoride. 376 00:28:20.123 --> 00:28:29.388 But everybody knew fluoride was poison because it's, man, if you go, I've gone to a municipal water supply where they put fluoride in the water and I've seen the room where they store the fluoride. 377 00:28:30.128 --> 00:28:31.709 And the walls are being eaten away. 378 00:28:31.749 --> 00:28:34.772 The concrete walls are eaten away because fluoride is so caustic. 379 00:28:35.152 --> 00:28:36.193 Well, people knew that. 380 00:28:36.774 --> 00:28:39.556 Fluoride was also used as, it still is used as rat poison. 381 00:28:39.816 --> 00:28:41.958 So people knew fluoride was poisonous. 382 00:28:42.298 --> 00:28:44.980 And fluoride had a really bad public image. 383 00:28:45.421 --> 00:28:50.025 And so Edward Bernays was brought in because his whole thing was called engineering consent. 384 00:28:50.045 --> 00:28:50.125 And, 385 00:28:50.705 --> 00:28:56.110 And they were like, Bernays, we need to get rid of this fluoride, but no one wants us to put it anywhere because it's so toxic. 386 00:28:56.130 --> 00:28:59.053 So we needed a way to get rid of it and we need to clean up its public image. 387 00:28:59.394 --> 00:29:00.815 So this is what he came up with. 388 00:29:01.516 --> 00:29:03.197 We can't just go put it in a hole in the ground. 389 00:29:03.257 --> 00:29:04.098 No one's going to let us. 390 00:29:04.879 --> 00:29:07.642 What if we diffuse it through the people? 391 00:29:08.855 --> 00:29:09.436 Think about that. 392 00:29:09.476 --> 00:29:19.025 You take a waste product and you break it into really small parts and you feed it into the bodies of all the public and let them piss it out in diluted amounts. 393 00:29:19.205 --> 00:29:20.046 That's what happened. 394 00:29:20.346 --> 00:29:21.667 An industrial byproduct. 395 00:29:22.028 --> 00:29:26.252 You were told it was good for your teeth, but actually it lowers your IQ and makes your teeth brittle. 396 00:29:26.532 --> 00:29:29.415 And when you have it in your teeth, it's a disease called dental fluorosis. 397 00:29:29.435 --> 00:29:29.555 Right. 398 00:29:30.832 --> 00:29:32.334 I mean, the whole, you can't make this up. 399 00:29:32.735 --> 00:29:36.460 I'm like, how do people still trust the dental community? 400 00:29:36.661 --> 00:29:43.390 These are the same people that were putting mercury in people's teeth, which they also knew at the time was, everybody's known through all history that mercury is poisonous. 401 00:29:44.011 --> 00:29:46.315 And then they get done that and they're like, oh, fluoride too. 402 00:29:46.355 --> 00:29:46.635 It's like, 403 00:29:47.376 --> 00:29:48.516 Dude, don't touch your dentist. 404 00:29:49.137 --> 00:29:54.758 But but yeah, you know, like all this stuff is connected because whenever you look back on it, you're like, oh, it lowers IQ. 405 00:29:55.058 --> 00:29:56.239 It lowers sperm count. 406 00:29:56.639 --> 00:30:11.123 It creates feminization in males at everything that we're seeing, like all these conspiracies, they all seem to kind of come back to dumbing people down, reducing our life force and health span and or covering up for things they've done to do that. 407 00:30:12.457 --> 00:30:18.040 And someone listening will just ask the question, why is that the goal? 408 00:30:18.260 --> 00:30:19.240 What is the purpose? 409 00:30:19.500 --> 00:30:21.982 Yeah, I think it's like really complicated and multidimensional. 410 00:30:22.542 --> 00:30:36.389 But, you know, on the most basic level, it's because all through human history, you've had a small group of elites control a large group of subjects and or peasants and or slaves. 411 00:30:36.729 --> 00:30:40.631 But in those days, in the past, the people knew that's what they were. 412 00:30:42.143 --> 00:30:46.105 The new model is

like Brave New World, you know, if you've ever read Aldous Huxley's book. 413 00:30:46.405 --> 00:30:57.712 The new model is that you get the slave class to believe they're free while they continue to hotly pursue the means of their own enslavement, thinking that that's how they'll get ahead. 414 00:30:59.393 --> 00:31:06.437 So it's like a way of whitewashing the mechanisms of control and slavery. 415 00:31:07.250 --> 00:31:08.431 I mean, it's brilliant, really. 416 00:31:08.751 --> 00:31:13.795 You know, because you have, let's say you take the two contrasting models from the mid-1900s. 417 00:31:13.815 --> 00:31:18.918 You had the 1984-style, really bleak dictatorship. 418 00:31:19.058 --> 00:31:24.542 Everybody knows they're being controlled, and they know that media is being controlled, and they know they're being suppressed, right? 419 00:31:24.562 --> 00:31:27.004 It's like the North Korea model of control. 420 00:31:28.205 --> 00:31:34.750 And then you had the Brave New World model, where everybody's, look, where I live right now, man, you just drive down the street, it's starting to look like the third world here. 421 00:31:34.770 --> 00:31:34.870 Yeah. 422 00:31:35.896 --> 00:31:38.939 Except all the weed shops are just shiny and new, right? 423 00:31:38.959 --> 00:31:40.701 So everybody's just stoned all the time. 424 00:31:41.042 --> 00:31:43.344 You can just steal what you want from the stores. 425 00:31:44.926 --> 00:31:46.007 Nobody's working. 426 00:31:46.087 --> 00:31:48.210 The people that are working are only half working. 427 00:31:48.590 --> 00:31:51.213 The whole system's like crumbling right in front of our eyes. 428 00:31:51.393 --> 00:31:51.894 You know what I mean? 429 00:31:51.914 --> 00:31:56.799 It's like you're watching like the deconstruction of the world that we built right in front of our eyes. 430 00:31:57.763 --> 00:32:01.864 And everybody's like thinking if they just hustle, man, they're going to make it. 431 00:32:01.924 --> 00:32:02.765 And they're all, you know what I mean? 432 00:32:02.785 --> 00:32:10.487 It's really funny to watch from the, like when you kind of take like an objective view, because you see what's happening, which is that people have been deceived, man. 433 00:32:10.527 --> 00:32:14.609 And they, they think that they're freer than ever. 434 00:32:14.729 --> 00:32:16.249 They think we're smarter than ever. 435 00:32:16.810 --> 00:32:26.093 Like if you pull up a math test for like a sixth grader from 1800, you realize, oh, we're getting stupider at an alarming rate. 436 00:32:27.085 --> 00:32:33.670 You know, you get a dictionary from the early 1900s and you're like, oh, we're losing words, right? 437 00:32:33.690 --> 00:32:34.871 It's like very obvious. 438 00:32:36.272 --> 00:32:45.420 But people think this is the smartest people I've ever been, that we're reaching like new levels of potential and unfortunately, that's not what's true, we're being deceived, you know? 439 00:32:45.780 --> 00:32:50.504 And that deception's like really what I wanna, you know, I have three parts of my career so far. 440 00:32:50.544 --> 00:32:55.247 It's like I've been a public speaker and then I was a podcaster and then I was a cable TV show host. 441 00:32:55.988 --> 00:33:00.950 And now I'm coming back to podcasting because I just want to like battle against this deception. 442 00:33:01.190 --> 00:33:03.191 Let us go into your podcast. 443 00:33:03.211 --> 00:33:05.131 So this is breaking news. 444 00:33:05.311 --> 00:33:06.732 Are you saying it for the first time? 445 00:33:06.772 --> 00:33:09.113 Are we breaking the news here on the podcast? 446 00:33:09.273 --> 00:33:15.875 Well, I mean, I've been mentioning it, but now I can say that we're launching in probably the next week or so. 447 00:33:16.095 --> 00:33:20.117 I'm just putting the final touches on three episodes and they'll drop soon. 448 00:33:20.397 --> 00:33:33.581 Because I don't know if you remember it, but from our latest podcast, when we spoke the last time, we saw so many comments about you getting back on a podcast. 449 00:33:33.741 --> 00:33:44.385 So how has the fans, the OGs from the Rewild Yourself era been pumping you up or asking you to? 450 00:33:44.625 --> 00:33:45.925 I have gotten a lot of that. 451 00:33:45.945 --> 00:33:47.406 It's been very encouraging. 452 00:33:48.586 --> 00:33:50.968 very encouraging because it's such an honor, man. 453 00:33:50.988 --> 00:34:05.775 There's just so many voices, you know, like I certainly, I'm sure you've gone through this, you know, when you get the imposter complex creeps in and you're like, as if I need to be out here, there's so many voices and some people are so talented and so good that you're like, man, is there any need for me to be doing this as well? 454 00:34:05.815 --> 00:34:06.095 You know? 455 00:34:07.156 --> 00:34:09.757 So it's great to have people be like, Hey man, I really miss your old shows. 456 00:34:10.277 --> 00:34:13.639 One of the challenges I've had is I make strong pivots throughout my career. 457 00:34:13.739 --> 00:34:14.219 That's been one of 458 00:34:16.435 --> 00:34:21.662 You know, when I was doing my first podcast, Rewild Yourself, and it was all about human rewilding. 459 00:34:22.023 --> 00:34:25.928 And then I made this strong pivot and did a project called Wildfed, and that became the TV show. 460 00:34:26.248 --> 00:34:28.431 And that was just like hunting, fishing, and foraging. 461 00:34:28.451 --> 00:34:32.156 Because what I wanted to learn was a valuable skill for food acquisition. 462 00:34:33.175 --> 00:34:40.737 Because I have a strong sense that this glut of calories we've been living in for decades is probably winding down. 463 00:34:41.137 --> 00:34:52.481 When you see things like the billionaire class buying up all the farmland and Palantir, I mean, let me just say it again, Palantir being put in charge of the U.S. food supply. 464 00:34:52.501 --> 00:34:58.543 I don't know if

people understand, like Peter Thiel from Palantir, right? 465 00:34:58.563 --> 00:34:58.963 Yeah. 466 00:34:59.678 --> 00:35:06.781 Who's going around giving workshops saying that the Antichrist is going to show up to try to stop AI from saving humanity. 467 00:35:06.801 --> 00:35:09.342 It's like, bro, sorry, I'm not buying it. 468 00:35:09.702 --> 00:35:14.063 You know, people like to point out his name is an anagram for the reptile. 469 00:35:14.423 --> 00:35:15.824 It actually is. 470 00:35:15.884 --> 00:35:16.344 It is. 471 00:35:16.544 --> 00:35:17.084 Yeah. 472 00:35:17.745 --> 00:35:19.445 But you know what Palantir means? 473 00:35:19.465 --> 00:35:20.626 Do you know what Palantir means? 474 00:35:21.106 --> 00:35:21.266 No. 475 00:35:21.286 --> 00:35:21.346 No. 476 00:35:21.986 --> 00:35:23.247 So it's from Lord of the Rings. 477 00:35:23.447 --> 00:35:27.930 And if you know Lord of the Rings, there's those crystal balls in the story there. 478 00:35:27.950 --> 00:35:31.993 You know, Saruman, the wizard, he uses one and Gandalf warns him. 479 00:35:32.013 --> 00:35:36.176 It's like, hey, whenever you look into that crystal ball, anybody else who has, there's like eight of them or something. 480 00:35:36.536 --> 00:35:38.698 Anyone who's looking into it can see you too, right? 481 00:35:39.118 --> 00:35:44.502 It was this all-seeing technology that allowed these wizards to see everything that's going on in the world. 482 00:35:45.483 --> 00:35:46.483 Those were called Palantirs. 483 00:35:46.503 --> 00:35:46.644 Right. 484 00:35:47.544 --> 00:35:50.966 So the actual word is from the Lord of the Rings movie. 485 00:35:50.986 --> 00:35:54.488 So, so it's Tolkien's made up correct. 486 00:35:54.508 --> 00:35:55.249 Vocabulary. 487 00:35:55.669 --> 00:35:56.449 Correct. 488 00:35:56.629 --> 00:35:56.970 All right. 489 00:35:57.010 --> 00:35:57.250 All right. 490 00:35:57.530 --> 00:36:03.413 For a, for a magic seeing ball, you know, that gave you kind of like the ability to see everything that's going on in the world, right? 491 00:36:03.494 --> 00:36:05.355 Predict the, predict the future. 492 00:36:05.575 --> 00:36:11.638 So they developed AI software and tracking software that's now used by the U S government and it's been used in war. 493 00:36:11.718 --> 00:36:12.439 And now they're 494 00:36:12.939 --> 00:36:15.743 applying it to the food supply to track all the farming in the United States. 495 00:36:15.783 --> 00:36:28.460 So when you see all these kind of stuff happening at once and you see something like the Straits of Hormuz closed for a long period of time where so much of the world's fertilizer comes through and you see things I'm sure you're seeing on your continent. 496 00:36:29.541 --> 00:36:32.942 You know, I was at Denmark where all those farms were being shut down. 497 00:36:32.982 --> 00:36:35.844 All that farmland was being deactivated and taken out of production. 498 00:36:36.084 --> 00:36:41.986 When you're seeing a war on meat consumption, all these things, it's like the writings on the wall, there'll be less food around. 499 00:36:42.006 --> 00:36:44.827 So I wanted to do wildfed for a couple of reasons. 500 00:36:44.927 --> 00:36:46.228 One, I wanted to share and teach that. 501 00:36:46.248 --> 00:36:49.069 But I also wanted to really get the experience myself. 502 00:36:49.969 --> 00:36:56.276 So what happened was a lot of people who knew my work were like, man, I'm not really into this wild food thing as much as I was into your old shows. 503 00:36:56.336 --> 00:36:59.720 You know, I used to do a lot of shows on deeper kind of content and concepts. 504 00:36:59.760 --> 00:37:07.768 So, you know, psychology, birth, death, sex, like all these kind of deep aspects of human psyche and body that I was interested in. 505 00:37:07.969 --> 00:37:11.532 So a lot of people were like, hey, dude, I wish you'd go back to doing Rewild Yourself. 506 00:37:12.173 --> 00:37:16.596 But then after I built the audience with Wildfed and now I've started to talk about the kind of things we're talking about today. 507 00:37:16.616 --> 00:37:20.198 And a lot of people are like, hey, man, kind of wish you'd just talk about wild foods. 508 00:37:20.838 --> 00:37:24.220 And I have to be like, I have to go where I feel led and called to be. 509 00:37:24.240 --> 00:37:28.143 And I never really wanted to talk about current events at all. 510 00:37:28.163 --> 00:37:29.944 Like I never really made that part of what I did. 511 00:37:30.805 --> 00:37:36.112 But I feel like the situation's gotten so severe that it's all hands on deck. 512 00:37:36.152 --> 00:37:46.807 And I feel really called to get into the conversation because, again, just as a reminder, I saw Fox News talking about four different species of aliens the other day. 513 00:37:47.748 --> 00:37:47.908 Right. 514 00:37:47.928 --> 00:37:53.831 It's like the, the narrative I gave a talk the other day where I was, I was talking about the Overton window. 515 00:37:53.851 --> 00:37:55.011 I'm sure you're familiar with that idea. 516 00:37:55.051 --> 00:37:56.872 Like, no, I haven't heard about it. 517 00:37:57.313 --> 00:37:57.513 Okay. 518 00:37:57.533 --> 00:38:03.515 The Overton window represents everything that you can talk about comfortably in a social setting. 519 00:38:05.036 --> 00:38:07.737 And so there were things that you couldn't talk about. 520 00:38:08.318 --> 00:38:13.220 Let's say you go back 20 years, like human trafficking wasn't something you'd talk about at a dinner party. 521 00:38:16.066 --> 00:38:17.187 Not today in Sweden. 522 00:38:19.850 --> 00:38:20.730 Now it's on the news. 523 00:38:20.971 --> 00:38:23.973 So in other words, now it's part of the Overton window. 524 00:38:23.993 --> 00:38:24.754 It's now in there. 525 00:38:24.894 --> 00:38:25.274 Excuse me. 526 00:38:26.175 --> 00:38:27.516 I had quite a workout yesterday. 527 00:38:27.556 --> 00:38:30.339 My lungs are absolutely wrecked today. 528

00:38:30.599 --> 00:38:31.660 Feeling good, huh? 529 00:38:31.860 --> 00:38:34.402 Man, hardcore echo bike ride. 530 00:38:34.542 --> 00:38:37.505 Okay, so the Overton windows move substantially. 531 00:38:38.226 --> 00:38:40.768 You know, when you're having public conversations about... 532 00:38:42.266 --> 00:39:09.958 elites monarchs and presidents being involved in human trafficking and and there being different species of aliens it's like okay wow the the conversations moved laterally quite a bit right it's pretty weird you know it's sort of like there was a time where the idea of trans people that wasn't that wasn't being talked about i remember you know we called them uh transvestites when i was a kid that was the word transvest we don't call them transvestites anymore 533 00:39:10.778 --> 00:39:11.398 No, right? 534 00:39:11.418 --> 00:39:14.139 It's like trans and transsexual was the word for a while. 535 00:39:14.159 --> 00:39:14.499 Yeah. 536 00:39:14.539 --> 00:39:16.200 But nobody, people didn't really understand this. 537 00:39:16.660 --> 00:39:22.882 This community of people wasn't part of the isn't wasn't in the Overton window, just like gay marriage at one point wasn't. 538 00:39:22.942 --> 00:39:24.762 And then eventually it became a public conversation. 539 00:39:24.782 --> 00:39:26.363 And now it's inside the Overton window. 540 00:39:26.383 --> 00:39:27.243 You can talk about it. 541 00:39:27.283 --> 00:39:27.383 Yeah. 542 00:39:27.743 --> 00:39:30.307 They're not talked about in dinner conversations. 543 00:39:30.347 --> 00:39:32.651 They are in the dinner having conversations. 544 00:39:32.731 --> 00:39:33.812 Yes, exactly. 545 00:39:33.852 --> 00:39:34.273 Right. 546 00:39:34.694 --> 00:39:41.023 So the Overton windows move to a place now where what I've noticed is particularly around the UAP conversation. 547 00:39:41.283 --> 00:39:43.086 This is where it's gotten real interesting to me. 548 00:39:43.947 --> 00:39:49.213 When I was growing up, the idea was that aliens were coming from faraway planets. 549 00:39:49.453 --> 00:39:54.098 You know, they were flying here and they're UFOs from other star systems or something. 550 00:39:54.639 --> 00:40:00.245 But now if you listen to the conversation, all I'm hearing is interdimensional and ultra-terrestrial. 551 00:40:01.126 --> 00:40:04.048 You're not hearing so much about them coming from far, far away. 552 00:40:04.309 --> 00:40:13.576 You're hearing about them emerging through dimensional portals somehow here or that they've always been here living covertly alongside us somehow. 553 00:40:14.076 --> 00:40:14.536 That's the car. 554 00:40:14.556 --> 00:40:19.880 And I'm saying that that's the conversation I'm hearing from government whistleblowers and I'm hearing from Congress people. 555 00:40:20.481 --> 00:40:20.621 Right. 556 00:40:20.641 --> 00:40:23.243 So we have several Tim Burschette here in the United States. 557 00:40:24.144 --> 00:40:26.065 Anna Paul Luna here in

the United States. 558 00:40:26.085 --> 00:40:27.926 These are Congress people saying this stuff. 559 00:40:28.267 --> 00:40:28.607 Right. 560 00:40:28.856 --> 00:40:32.351 These aren't just random, this isn't Alex Jones ranting or something like that. 561 00:40:32.391 --> 00:40:33.335 This is our Congress. 562 00:40:34.785 --> 00:40:36.486 The conversations change so much. 563 00:40:36.606 --> 00:40:42.629 I just feel like I really want to step into this because I think we're in maybe like final stages of a deception. 564 00:40:42.810 --> 00:40:45.691 One of the things that's really interesting is legend has it. 565 00:40:45.911 --> 00:40:47.892 I can't, you know, there's no way to validate it. 566 00:40:47.912 --> 00:40:51.695 Legend has it that Wernher von Braun at the end of his life. 567 00:40:51.875 --> 00:40:59.379 So this is the Nazi rocket scientist who's at the foundation of NASA and who, you know, helped to develop the Saturn 2 rocket. 568 00:41:00.743 --> 00:41:05.929 that he said that there would eventually be a faked alien invasion. 569 00:41:06.690 --> 00:41:08.432 Like that was where all this was leading. 570 00:41:08.652 --> 00:41:15.761 And, you know, one of those conspiracy theories you still hear about a lot is Project Bluebeam, the idea of a faked alien invasion. 571 00:41:15.981 --> 00:41:19.866 And I sort of see that the groundwork being laid for that. 572 00:41:19.906 --> 00:41:20.546 I don't think... 573 00:41:21.187 --> 00:41:23.409 any of this stuff is what is being said publicly. 574 00:41:23.449 --> 00:41:24.770 I think that's an illusion. 575 00:41:24.810 --> 00:41:27.151 I think there's something more going on with this story. 576 00:41:27.371 --> 00:41:39.339 And I don't think there's going to be any, just like there was no honesty around COVID, just like there was no honesty around the elections, just like there was no honesty about what was really leading to all the rioting in the United States. 577 00:41:39.379 --> 00:41:42.041 Sorry, I keep speaking for the US, but I mean, that's just where I am and what I know. 578 00:41:42.201 --> 00:41:45.764 But like, I don't think that this is where the government suddenly gets honest and tells us 579 00:41:51.127 --> 00:41:55.735 will happen if more people don't step in and start to share their voices. 580 00:41:56.416 --> 00:42:02.226 And circling back to one of the questions, what do you think the effect will be from people 581 00:42:03.932 --> 00:42:10.075 Finally realizing that these thoughts, these ideas are so much more than just conspiracy theories. 582 00:42:10.495 --> 00:42:13.417 What will be the effect on humanity? 583 00:42:13.817 --> 00:42:27.264 And I just want to share a quote before I hear your answer is, you remember the movie The Matrix, the first one, where Morpheus says that some minds are too old to get unplugged. 584 00:42:28.946 --> 00:42:30.891 It can be dangerous. 585 00:42:31.132 --> 00:42:35.302 It can even be deadly, lethal. 586 00:42:36.630 --> 00:42:39.072 And that's why they don't just unplug everybody. 587 00:42:39.632 --> 00:42:47.438 Their mind had to be mature enough and not rigid, too rigid, in order to get unplugged. 588 00:42:47.618 --> 00:42:49.079 Man, yeah. 589 00:42:49.119 --> 00:42:55.063 And there's also the great scene with the guy who was one of the ship's crew on Nebuchadnezzar. 590 00:42:55.744 --> 00:42:58.365 And he's in that restaurant eating the steak, right? 591 00:42:58.425 --> 00:42:58.906 Judas. 592 00:42:59.646 --> 00:43:00.107 Yeah. 593 00:43:01.207 --> 00:43:01.688 Yeah, man. 594 00:43:02.644 --> 00:43:10.409 Right, and for the listener, he's the guy who, he's decided to embrace the illusion, because it beats living in the reality. 595 00:43:10.429 --> 00:43:13.071 The reality's too hard to embrace and accept. 596 00:43:13.191 --> 00:43:14.551 Yeah, maybe that's part of it, man. 597 00:43:14.952 --> 00:43:15.432 I don't know. 598 00:43:15.452 --> 00:43:24.378 I think that from my history, I have a fairly flexible mind, and so this is, you know, I mentioned before things like ayahuasca, you know, it's like when you've experimented with... 599 00:43:25.218 --> 00:43:32.443 Some of those medicines, I think they create tremendous neuroplasticity and you experience realms and realities that feel realer than real. 600 00:43:32.683 --> 00:43:35.946 And that changes, it reduces that rigidity in your mind. 601 00:43:36.106 --> 00:43:38.127 So I think there will be people who melt down. 602 00:43:38.687 --> 00:43:44.832 And I think there will be, I mean, I kind of get the impression when I'm out in public now, just driving around. 603 00:43:44.872 --> 00:43:47.434 It's just like, I feel like there's people spinning out pretty bad. 604 00:43:47.454 --> 00:43:49.075 I feel like people are on the verge of... 605 00:43:49.715 --> 00:43:54.641 Some people are on the verge of spinning out, you know, like they're just barely holding it together. 606 00:43:54.661 --> 00:43:56.764 What do you mean with spinning out? 607 00:43:56.884 --> 00:43:58.946 Like, like, uh, 608 00:44:00.002 --> 00:44:03.425 like, you know, that idea of the straw that broke the camel's back, right? 609 00:44:03.445 --> 00:44:07.169 It's like you keep adding a piece of straw to the camel's back and it can keep taking the load. 610 00:44:07.209 --> 00:44:12.514 And then there's that, eventually there's just one piece and now it's too heavy and it breaks the camel's back. 611 00:44:12.934 --> 00:44:15.677 I feel like there's a lot of people who are like one straw away. 612 00:44:15.697 --> 00:44:19.461 And when I say straw, I mean like one more piece of information. 613 00:44:20.822 --> 00:44:21.322 All right. 614 00:44:21.843 --> 00:44:22.483 Where it's like, 615 00:44:23.816 --> 00:44:27.779 They just are becoming erratic in a little, you know, they could spin out. 616 00:44:27.799 --> 00:44:30.761 You know, I don't know what that means, but it's not good. 617 00:44:31.762 --> 00:44:33.463 There's

other people with a lot more resilience. 618 00:44:33.503 --> 00:44:35.565 There's a lot of people that are deeply, deeply asleep. 619 00:44:35.865 --> 00:44:38.026 There's a lot of people that are right on the verge of being awake. 620 00:44:38.066 --> 00:44:40.848 There's a lot of people that are pretty awake to various degrees. 621 00:44:41.008 --> 00:44:46.432 And there's a lot of people like myself where it's like, I think I'm kind of awake, but I don't know how asleep I am. 622 00:44:46.693 --> 00:44:48.254 You just don't know what you don't know. 623 00:44:49.723 --> 00:44:51.344 That's one of the real lessons of age. 624 00:44:51.464 --> 00:45:00.650 I think that's a beautiful place to be because I've always asked myself and also asked people on the podcast, what is being awake? 625 00:45:01.050 --> 00:45:01.771 What is that? 626 00:45:01.991 --> 00:45:10.657 Because I felt during my lifetime that I've gone to different stages, different levels, different understandings. 627 00:45:10.997 --> 00:45:15.420 Something I thought was true a year ago, I now have new beliefs around it. 628 00:45:15.660 --> 00:45:16.340 Correct, yeah. 629 00:45:17.080 --> 00:45:20.182 So what is this place of being awakened? 630 00:45:20.242 --> 00:45:23.223 Is it the guy who knows the most conspiracy theories? 631 00:45:23.403 --> 00:45:24.563 Some people think that. 632 00:45:26.584 --> 00:45:29.765 Someone who has done the most ayahuasca trips. 633 00:45:30.085 --> 00:45:31.345 Okay, well, yeah, thank you. 634 00:45:31.506 --> 00:45:32.266 All right, that helps. 635 00:45:33.446 --> 00:45:37.127 I think it's the person who can live with the most love. 636 00:45:37.147 --> 00:45:37.268 Right. 637 00:45:39.213 --> 00:45:47.280 yet also can fearlessly look over the edge into the abyss and not be overwhelmed by it. 638 00:45:47.660 --> 00:45:57.388 So it's like a combination of those two things, because there's the person who can live in love, but if they looked over the abyss and saw what's actually there, they wouldn't be able to do that anymore. 639 00:45:58.894 --> 00:45:59.114 Right? 640 00:45:59.154 --> 00:46:00.355 Like it would destabilize them. 641 00:46:01.336 --> 00:46:03.578 And then there's the person who can always look over the edge. 642 00:46:03.618 --> 00:46:06.560 And actually they've built their personality around looking over the edge. 643 00:46:06.600 --> 00:46:08.282 That's that hardcore conspiracy person. 644 00:46:09.082 --> 00:46:12.685 But like they're so caught up in that that they don't see the old lady needs help. 645 00:46:14.347 --> 00:46:14.787 You know what I mean? 646 00:46:14.807 --> 00:46:15.588 Yeah. 647 00:46:15.868 --> 00:46:17.069 So I think it's about balancing those. 648 00:46:17.449 --> 00:46:18.730 Also, you know... 649 00:46:19.535 --> 00:46:24.298 You know, from the last time we talked, I'm deep into the Bible, particularly Jesus. 650 00:46:24.358 --> 00:46:28.540 And he says to, so it depends what translation you read.

651 00:46:28.740 --> 00:46:30.941 Sometimes it'll be translated as stay awake. 652 00:46:31.721 --> 00:46:34.123 And other times it's translated as keep watch. 653 00:46:35.523 --> 00:46:36.244 And I like that. 654 00:46:36.584 --> 00:46:43.568 So keep watch implies like it's 3 a.m. and you've been, it's your turn to take watch. 655 00:46:44.699 --> 00:46:52.667 And so that means you are responsible for everybody who's asleep behind you and you're watching with alertness. 656 00:46:53.207 --> 00:46:53.928 That's staying awake. 657 00:46:54.008 --> 00:47:04.919 You know, when Jesus, just before he's captured and he's on the Mount of Olives and he brings three of his disciples with him and he keeps going to pray and he tells them to pray. 658 00:47:04.939 --> 00:47:06.340 But every time he comes back, they're asleep. 659 00:47:06.440 --> 00:47:07.381 It happens a bunch of times. 660 00:47:08.186 --> 00:47:10.947 And he's like, you can't keep watch with me even a little while. 661 00:47:10.987 --> 00:47:13.388 He's like still resting and taking your sleep. 662 00:47:13.748 --> 00:47:15.169 Like, can't you stay awake? 663 00:47:15.869 --> 00:47:16.950 And they can't stay awake. 664 00:47:17.710 --> 00:47:19.151 They just keep falling asleep. 665 00:47:19.291 --> 00:47:22.672 And he's the one who has to tell them that, hey, like here comes my betrayer. 666 00:47:23.113 --> 00:47:30.776 Cause they're, they're like asleep, you know, there's the guy eating the steak Judas in the, in the matrix. 667 00:47:30.816 --> 00:47:31.336 In the matrix. 668 00:47:31.356 --> 00:47:32.157 Yeah. 669 00:47:32.197 --> 00:47:33.057 He can't keep watch. 670 00:47:33.637 --> 00:47:33.757 Yeah. 671 00:47:33.777 --> 00:47:34.618 He can't stay awake. 672 00:47:34.638 --> 00:47:35.298 Yeah. 673 00:47:35.398 --> 00:47:40.222 That's true because he's falling asleep while he's watching Neo in the movie. 674 00:47:40.623 --> 00:47:42.264 He wants to go to sleep though. 675 00:47:42.484 --> 00:47:43.565 He wants to. 676 00:47:43.685 --> 00:47:50.791 And so maybe it's not as important that we define what staying awake is and more that we define more like the desire. 677 00:47:50.891 --> 00:47:52.713 Or maybe we're talking about the desire to be awake. 678 00:47:52.753 --> 00:47:54.555 I think that's because... 679 00:47:55.622 --> 00:48:02.465 you know, hard to define enlightenment or whatever, but some people just don't want to be awoken. 680 00:48:02.625 --> 00:48:03.746 Maybe that's who you're talking about. 681 00:48:03.766 --> 00:48:07.107 You remember before you said sort of some minds aren't flexible enough to be awoken. 682 00:48:07.467 --> 00:48:09.168 Some minds don't want to be awoken. 683 00:48:09.288 --> 00:48:12.410 They're just, they, I know so many, you must know people like this. 684 00:48:12.670 --> 00:48:17.072 I know so many people who just don't want anything to be disturbed because they just want to make it to their death. 685 00:48:18.268 --> 00:48:20.409 without like any disturbance in what they're doing. 686 00:48:20.589 --> 00:48:27.293 I'm just, dude, every day I wake up and I kind of hope that today's the day I find out the whole thing starts unraveling. 687 00:48:27.873 --> 00:48:29.234 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 688 00:48:29.354 --> 00:48:29.834 You know what I mean? 689 00:48:29.894 --> 00:48:31.375 I can relate. 690 00:48:31.495 --> 00:48:38.639 And it's not because I want the world to be chaos, because that would not be good for me or my family or anything like that or the people I love or anyone I know. 691 00:48:39.220 --> 00:48:49.886 It's because living in an empire of lies is so uncomfortable that I would rather it come crashing down than to continue to live in the lie. 692 00:48:50.446 --> 00:48:53.228 And so it gives me a desire. 693 00:48:53.248 --> 00:48:57.030 So I'm keeping watch also because I think 694 00:48:58.292 --> 00:49:03.577 that even greater levels of deception are coming, and I don't want to be deceived. 695 00:49:03.777 --> 00:49:07.920 And I think some people are immune to it, are just immune to it, but the masses aren't. 696 00:49:08.160 --> 00:49:09.041 Most people aren't. 697 00:49:09.802 --> 00:49:18.749 And so I think you have like, you know, we have the small percentage of people that's the elites, and then their bigger percentage of useful idiots that they employ, that would be, you know... 698 00:49:19.690 --> 00:49:22.653 music industry, entertainment, right? 699 00:49:22.673 --> 00:49:26.295 Like these people aren't necessarily inculcated or, well, they are inculcated. 700 00:49:26.315 --> 00:49:30.799 They're not indoctrinated or necessarily initiated into it, but they're the pawns of it. 701 00:49:31.419 --> 00:49:33.841 And then you have the masses, which is most people. 702 00:49:34.102 --> 00:49:35.723 And I don't mean that in a negative way. 703 00:49:35.763 --> 00:49:37.184 It's just, that's just most people. 704 00:49:37.624 --> 00:49:44.069 And then you have the cadre of people who are at various levels of like realizing, wait a second, something's not right. 705 00:49:44.210 --> 00:49:46.371 Or fully like, hey, the emperor's naked. 706 00:49:46.391 --> 00:49:48.373 Why is everyone talking about how wonderful his outfit is? 707 00:49:49.862 --> 00:49:52.383 You know, I just want to be somebody who can see that. 708 00:49:52.763 --> 00:49:53.763 Do you know the story I'm talking about? 709 00:49:53.783 --> 00:49:54.864 The emperor wears no clothes. 710 00:49:54.904 --> 00:49:55.504 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 711 00:49:55.804 --> 00:49:57.725 So I just want to be, yeah. 712 00:49:57.785 --> 00:50:00.305 I just want to be somebody who can see that the emperor is naked. 713 00:50:00.345 --> 00:50:02.526 Maybe that's being awake is just being able to see it. 714 00:50:02.746 --> 00:50:10.609 And so when I listened to like, for instance, when I watched this UAP thing, there's just so many, see a lot of people can't spot a snake. 715 00:50:11.589 --> 00:50:12.589 I find

that interesting. 716 00:50:13.810 --> 00:50:17.571 There's certain characters, like I think Elon Musk is a great example. 717 00:50:18.777 --> 00:50:21.078 You can't spot- Okay, you're a metaphorical snake. 718 00:50:21.298 --> 00:50:28.140 Because I was just in the woods with my kids and we were talking about snakes and that's why my mind went into real snakes. 719 00:50:28.600 --> 00:50:28.800 Yeah. 720 00:50:28.820 --> 00:50:32.382 Yeah, I don't mean he's like a lower dimensional reptile or anything like that. 721 00:50:32.402 --> 00:50:33.522 No, a metaphorical snake. 722 00:50:33.782 --> 00:50:34.602 A metaphorical snake. 723 00:50:34.903 --> 00:50:47.727 Okay, when you look at what his actual work is doing, okay, and the things that he says and the things that he does and the way he presents himself, it's so clear this is an enemy of humanity. 724 00:50:47.747 --> 00:50:48.007 Okay. 725 00:50:49.336 --> 00:50:57.401 But think about, I don't know if you have this phenomenon in Sweden that we have here with serial killers who become like celebrities. 726 00:50:57.561 --> 00:51:08.048 So like you have these like Jeffrey Dahmer type characters where, you know, they woman after woman after woman falls for it and gets butchered by this guy, right? 727 00:51:08.208 --> 00:51:10.009 Because they can't spot the guy's a snake. 728 00:51:10.349 --> 00:51:11.070 They don't see him. 729 00:51:11.130 --> 00:51:11.870 They don't see it. 730 00:51:13.091 --> 00:51:17.074 And then even after he's revealed as a snake, he becomes like this. 731 00:51:18.617 --> 00:51:19.758 Romantic icon. 732 00:51:21.178 --> 00:51:24.620 You know, the number of women that like to watch these documentaries about him. 733 00:51:25.420 --> 00:51:25.680 Right. 734 00:51:25.740 --> 00:51:35.225 It's like it's like it's a snake, you know, and when you got a guy who presents himself in a Satan costume for his main handle on the Internet. 735 00:51:35.785 --> 00:51:36.646 Yeah. 736 00:51:36.746 --> 00:51:40.948 And he develops a human replacing robot. 737 00:51:40.968 --> 00:51:41.068 Yeah. 738 00:51:41.908 --> 00:51:44.249 and self-driving robot cars. 739 00:51:45.130 --> 00:51:48.411 And then he makes it so you can't go anywhere in the world without internet. 740 00:51:48.591 --> 00:51:49.491 You know what I mean? 741 00:51:49.732 --> 00:51:52.993 And then he's like, I want to take human beings off the earth to Mars. 742 00:51:53.653 --> 00:52:00.577 You have to have had your head so twisted around to think that person's a hero and not understand this is an enemy of humanity. 743 00:52:01.037 --> 00:52:05.199 The things that he wants to do to humanity are so bleak and dark and dystopian. 744 00:52:05.419 --> 00:52:07.400 And it's so obvious, but 745 00:52:08.360 --> 00:52:12.242 Again, if you haven't been keeping watch, it's easy to be fooled, I guess. 746 00:52:12.342 --> 00:52:14.383 And people are fooled by this stuff. 747 00:52:14.724 --> 00:52:18.806 You know, all these characters, man, you know, they tell you exactly what they want to do. 748 00:52:19.106 --> 00:52:21.707 It's like Klaus Schwab from the World Economic Forum, right? 749 00:52:21.968 --> 00:52:25.910 I think that one's a little easier to see like, oh, yeah, that guy's an enemy of humanity. 750 00:52:26.410 --> 00:52:29.011 Yeah, because it looks like a Bond villain as well. 751 00:52:29.231 --> 00:52:29.511 Right. 752 00:52:29.551 --> 00:52:31.872 But then how many, how did he get to that position? 753 00:52:31.912 --> 00:52:36.533 Because so many people believe that he was good, obviously, right? 754 00:52:36.573 --> 00:52:37.353 It's how he got there. 755 00:52:37.413 --> 00:52:39.414 So yeah, there's a lot of these characters. 756 00:52:39.714 --> 00:52:46.176 And I just think that people should probably hone their ability to recognize a snake. 757 00:52:47.616 --> 00:52:49.116 So how do you keep watch? 758 00:52:49.437 --> 00:52:50.557 Because my question here. 759 00:52:51.957 --> 00:52:54.318 Yeah, well, I think a big part of it is spiritual discernment. 760 00:52:55.271 --> 00:52:58.294 And I think you develop that through your relationship with your creator. 761 00:52:58.334 --> 00:52:59.376 I mean, I don't know how else. 762 00:52:59.596 --> 00:53:08.385 See, here's what I think is unfortunate that in my current worldview, I want to make sure I say current because, you know, like you were saying before, it's like it's a constantly evolving, changing. 763 00:53:08.425 --> 00:53:09.427 Yeah, for sure. 764 00:53:09.507 --> 00:53:16.494 You know, but in the way I'm looking at it, I always wanted to not always, but there was times I just wanted to try to be like. 765 00:53:18.083 --> 00:53:20.465 Let's say that there's sheep and there's wolves. 766 00:53:20.945 --> 00:53:22.707 I wanted to be like a coyote or something. 767 00:53:22.987 --> 00:53:27.691 I wanted to be other category, neutral party or something, or not involved. 768 00:53:28.892 --> 00:53:30.613 I don't really think it works like that now. 769 00:53:31.234 --> 00:53:35.537 I think there's like two masters and you're serving one or the other. 770 00:53:35.717 --> 00:53:38.880 And if you think you're neutral, you're probably not serving the right one. 771 00:53:40.357 --> 00:53:40.978 You know what I mean? 772 00:53:40.998 --> 00:53:42.439 I think that's actually how it works. 773 00:53:42.840 --> 00:53:51.649 You know, the ancient church, when they would baptize you, you don't hear this today, but when they would baptize you, they would say, do you renounce Satan and all his works? 774 00:53:52.828 --> 00:53:54.609 And it's like, yeah, man, I do. 775 00:53:54.909 --> 00:53:55.970 I do renounce that. 776 00:53:56.811 --> 00:54:11.561 But if you haven't done that, if you're in love with the world, see, in the scripture, there's this interesting thing where the word the world, as it's used in the New Testament, it's actually the Greek word cosmos with a K. And there's this great

verse in first John. 777 00:54:11.581 --> 00:54:16.724 He says, he says, we know we're from God, but the whole world lies in the power of the evil one. 778 00:54:16.744 --> 00:54:19.326 The whole cosmos lies in the power of the evil one. 779 00:54:20.267 --> 00:54:26.032 Like there's the evil one and all of his hierarchy actually have dominion over the earth. 780 00:54:27.333 --> 00:54:30.455 It was actually meant to be ours, but we gave it up. 781 00:54:30.715 --> 00:54:33.498 And now we're actually slaves in our own planet. 782 00:54:33.698 --> 00:54:38.141 And it's Christ that comes to defeat the old gods and does. 783 00:54:39.402 --> 00:54:43.806 And now he's created a way out because everybody's like trapped here. 784 00:54:44.106 --> 00:54:47.089 Souls are trapped here, but he created a way out. 785 00:54:47.965 --> 00:54:52.387 And I think you either kind of align yourself with that or you are aligning with the world. 786 00:54:53.088 --> 00:55:01.052 And if you're aligning with the world, then you you're inadvertently in the hierarchy of these dark forces that have been controlling our planet for so long. 787 00:55:01.792 --> 00:55:03.233 Like that's the ultimate conspiracy. 788 00:55:03.633 --> 00:55:05.134 Dark forces are in control of our world. 789 00:55:05.314 --> 00:55:06.995 That's the ultimate conspiracy. 790 00:55:07.726 --> 00:55:12.310 And I wanted to ask you about what has Christianity given you? 791 00:55:12.610 --> 00:55:26.361 And I want to hear about your perspective on Christianity because I can meet like five different Christian friends and I get like five different stories about what Jesus means to them and what is going on in the world today. 792 00:55:27.362 --> 00:55:34.948 And, you know, we spoke about before recording Stephen Bartlett also been getting Christianity experts on the show. 793 00:55:35.008 --> 00:55:37.150 There are also historians and... 794 00:55:37.870 --> 00:55:53.303 A lot of things doesn't make sense to me, but because I love your perspective on life, on things, on conspiracies, on what's going on, I want to hear what's your relationship to Christ and your journey into Christianity? 795 00:55:53.583 --> 00:55:57.746 And is it also tied somehow to you getting married? 796 00:55:58.167 --> 00:56:05.533 Because many, many, many, many years ago, you were like so anti the construct of marriage. 797 00:56:05.553 --> 00:56:06.013 Yeah. 798 00:56:06.903 --> 00:56:11.285 If I recall it right from Rewild Yourself podcast days. 799 00:56:11.845 --> 00:56:18.587 And then I also heard you talking about how you started to re-evaluate the concept of marriage. 800 00:56:18.647 --> 00:56:20.207 And I thought that was really beautiful. 801 00:56:20.968 --> 00:56:24.649 And that made me also considering getting married and I'm married today. 802 00:56:25.429 --> 00:56:26.189 You are married now. 803 00:56:26.309 --> 00:56:27.009 Yeah, I'm married. 804 00:56:27.029 --> 00:56:28.670 Yeah, since 30 years back. 805 00:56:29.502 --> 00:56:29.843 Yeah. 806 00:56:30.584 --> 00:56:31.325 Wow, man. 807 00:56:31.585 --> 00:56:32.927 So that's a lot to unpack there. 808 00:56:33.768 --> 00:56:35.791 So Christianity, focus on that. 809 00:56:35.972 --> 00:56:36.272 Yeah. 810 00:56:36.392 --> 00:56:36.693 Okay. 811 00:56:36.753 --> 00:56:37.794 So here's the thing. 812 00:56:38.936 --> 00:56:44.083 Christianity starts something like 2000 years ago and a lot has happened. 813 00:56:44.504 --> 00:56:47.087 And it's gone through many variations, right? 814 00:56:47.107 --> 00:56:58.321 And so you have the original apostles, and then they're teaching the apostolic fathers, and then the apostolic fathers teach the church fathers, and then the church basically turns into a religion. 815 00:56:59.002 --> 00:56:59.422 And that was... 816 00:57:00.701 --> 00:57:03.703 Christ came pretty anti-religion, but it turns into another religion. 817 00:57:03.723 --> 00:57:07.186 And then you have the Orthodox Church, and then the Catholic Church comes out of that. 818 00:57:07.527 --> 00:57:11.910 And then you get Protestantism, which comes out of that, which means to protest. 819 00:57:12.410 --> 00:57:18.555 So you have, you know, the United States is dominated by Protestantism, which is people protesting the Catholic Church. 820 00:57:18.615 --> 00:57:23.680 I just can't identify with any of these three churches, the Orthodox Church, the Catholic Church, or the Protestant Church. 821 00:57:23.740 --> 00:57:25.761 I don't personally identify with any of those. 822 00:57:25.921 --> 00:57:28.884 I don't like the word Christian, really, because it's just got so much... 823 00:57:30.329 --> 00:57:31.809 baggage associated with it. 824 00:57:32.050 --> 00:57:34.530 I don't like the idea of atonement that's taught. 825 00:57:34.550 --> 00:57:35.811 Like, Jesus died for your sins. 826 00:57:35.831 --> 00:57:38.031 It's like, man, that doesn't even really make any sense. 827 00:57:39.112 --> 00:57:39.392 Thank you. 828 00:57:39.412 --> 00:57:39.592 Right? 829 00:57:39.652 --> 00:57:41.572 Like, it doesn't really make any sense. 830 00:57:41.592 --> 00:57:43.013 Because I just thought I was stupid. 831 00:57:44.013 --> 00:57:50.295 No, you're... Because, you know, hearing it from thousands of Christians, like, okay, so how does that help me? 832 00:57:50.495 --> 00:57:51.515 Okay, but let me say this. 833 00:57:51.775 --> 00:57:51.955 Yeah. 834 00:57:52.015 --> 00:57:53.236 Here's why that doesn't matter. 835 00:57:53.356 --> 00:57:57.837 Because if a person genuinely develops a relationship with Christ... 836 00:57:59.334 --> 00:58:05.776 I still know that any of that, if they believe like a kid's book version of the religion, like, I don't know that that matters. 837 00:58:05.876 --> 00:58:08.076 It's that relationship is the ultimate thing, dude. 838 00:58:08.096 --> 00:58:09.057 It's this ultimate thing. 839 00:58:09.137 --> 00:58:10.357 Having a relationship with God. 840 00:58:10.457

--> 00:58:11.497 This is the ultimate thing. 841 00:58:13.178 --> 00:58:15.398 But here's what you, you asked my perspective. 842 00:58:15.418 --> 00:58:17.259 So originally it was called the way. 843 00:58:18.139 --> 00:58:18.859 And I love that. 844 00:58:19.479 --> 00:58:21.240 I love that so much more than Christianity. 845 00:58:21.260 --> 00:58:23.100 Christianity was originally a derogatory title. 846 00:58:23.120 --> 00:58:24.141 It was like little Christ. 847 00:58:24.241 --> 00:58:25.621 It meant like you were like a little Christ. 848 00:58:26.825 --> 00:58:28.126 but it eventually was embraced. 849 00:58:28.486 --> 00:58:34.430 I find the real original, the way that I perceive the original story to be goes something like this. 850 00:58:35.931 --> 00:58:37.332 I've used this analogy before. 851 00:58:37.392 --> 00:58:41.735 Feel free to jump in and stop me if you want to, but I think it works something like this. 852 00:58:42.096 --> 00:58:48.600 I'm going to use our modern technology as a metaphor because it's easy to, because we're all immersed in that. 853 00:58:49.321 --> 00:58:53.804 So let's say that we have the ability to create an artificial construct world. 854 00:58:55.316 --> 00:58:55.516 Right? 855 00:58:55.616 --> 00:58:56.737 Like a metaverse. 856 00:58:58.039 --> 00:59:02.243 So you have this being that speaks prompts into the whole thing. 857 00:59:02.283 --> 00:59:05.366 Like, let there be light and let this happen and let that happen. 858 00:59:05.386 --> 00:59:10.251 It's like you talking prompts into a machine to create a construct. 859 00:59:10.271 --> 00:59:11.452 Like a, does that make sense? 860 00:59:12.012 --> 00:59:12.233 Yeah. 861 00:59:12.753 --> 00:59:13.614 Something like that, right? 862 00:59:13.894 --> 00:59:15.075 He creates this... 863 00:59:16.278 --> 00:59:17.279 construct we're living in. 864 00:59:18.420 --> 00:59:22.322 The language is not, you typically hear wouldn't be construct, it would be creation. 865 00:59:23.163 --> 00:59:25.845 To me, creation, construct, they're synonyms. 866 00:59:26.045 --> 00:59:27.446 So he creates a construct. 867 00:59:27.526 --> 00:59:30.168 The beings are living in that construct. 868 00:59:31.769 --> 00:59:44.478 But another being deceives them because of his, maybe his jealousy and his pride and his desire to rule over those people and to not be ruled over by them. 869 00:59:44.498 --> 00:59:44.538 So 870 00:59:45.387 --> 00:59:47.909 So he ropes them into a scheme. 871 00:59:48.250 --> 00:59:50.592 And that scheme is the giving up of their birthright. 872 00:59:50.752 --> 00:59:55.577 The idea like God's mad at us because we sinned, I think that's pretty silly. 873 00:59:55.617 --> 00:59:57.439 I don't think that's quite it. 874 00:59:57.639 --> 01:00:00.862 It's more like we, it's like you're, you're, 875 01:00:02.212 --> 01:00:10.275 It's like your parents gave you the deed to a house and then you sign it over to some predator who tricks you and wants to

hurt you and molest you. 876 01:00:10.315 --> 01:00:13.297 And you, you, but you think you're trading for something you want. 877 01:00:13.317 --> 01:00:14.857 So you give up the deed to the house. 878 01:00:15.798 --> 01:00:18.379 And then the deal is you have to work in that house as a servant now. 879 01:00:19.259 --> 01:00:19.859 It's like that. 880 01:00:20.319 --> 01:00:25.882 So the construct is for us and wherever we were going to be developed to, that makes sense. 881 01:00:26.122 --> 01:00:28.763 But that first being deceives us and we lose the deed. 882 01:00:28.783 --> 01:00:28.963 Right. 883 01:00:30.137 --> 01:00:36.199 Then later, this is in the book of Enoch, 200 beings called the Watchers. 884 01:00:36.359 --> 01:00:37.159 What are Watchers? 885 01:00:37.199 --> 01:00:37.739 You know what I mean? 886 01:00:37.759 --> 01:00:39.900 Like they're described as sons of God. 887 01:00:40.140 --> 01:00:41.540 They're like angelic beings. 888 01:00:41.580 --> 01:00:42.301 But what is that? 889 01:00:42.321 --> 01:00:46.062 It's like interdimensional beings, forces from outside. 890 01:00:46.442 --> 01:00:51.683 They come down to earth and they mate with human women and they create the golden age. 891 01:00:51.843 --> 01:00:53.404 This is the antediluvian world. 892 01:00:53.424 --> 01:00:56.765 This is the age of the pyramids and of the giant megalithic structures. 893 01:00:57.821 --> 01:01:05.723 So, Sacsayhuaman in Peru, the Great Pyramid, Baalbek, these places that we're like, what was going on on the earth? 894 01:01:06.163 --> 01:01:07.164 This golden age. 895 01:01:07.924 --> 01:01:13.185 Now, please remember, all the other religions talk about this golden age as being amazing. 896 01:01:14.146 --> 01:01:14.846 Except... 897 01:01:15.644 --> 01:01:23.611 the Christian view and earlier the Hebrew view, which was no, that was actually a very wicked world controlled by the gods, right? 898 01:01:23.631 --> 01:01:29.335 The gods were these beings that came down and interacted with humans and manipulated the world. 899 01:01:29.355 --> 01:01:37.202 Okay, so the world becomes so corrupted by this, that there's this, that God does this cataclysm that we call the flood. 900 01:01:38.720 --> 01:01:40.563 There's no debate about this happening. 901 01:01:40.603 --> 01:01:44.469 I mean, at this point, it's like every culture tells this story of the flood, right? 902 01:01:44.489 --> 01:01:47.193 There's thousands of variants on this same story. 903 01:01:47.614 --> 01:01:50.178 Big flood, people get in a boat and survive it. 904 01:01:50.218 --> 01:01:52.302 This story is everywhere in the world, right? 905 01:01:52.502 --> 01:01:53.483 Then after that, 906 01:01:54.754 --> 01:02:00.136 there's this desire by the survivors to try to bring back the golden age. 907 01:02:00.536 --> 01:02:05.357 That's been the multi-thousand year project that's been taking place on this earth. 908 01:02:05.397 --> 01:02:06.218 We're right about there. 909 01:02:06.798 --> 01:02:10.479 Trump's been talking about bringing in the new golden age. 910 01:02:11.559 --> 01:02:23.703 This thing of AI, nanotechnology, robotics, and genetic engineering are the technologies that you start to realize these gods had in this earlier era, but it was all destroyed. 911 01:02:24.589 --> 01:02:26.590 And now it's being rebuilt, right? 912 01:02:26.770 --> 01:02:32.213 And the earth is kind of turned into like a, essentially like a prison for people, for our souls. 913 01:02:32.413 --> 01:02:34.454 And it's like a legal thing. 914 01:02:35.294 --> 01:02:40.757 It's like a, so the idea of Satan, which means the accuser, he's like a prosecutor. 915 01:02:41.297 --> 01:02:44.239 So think of like a prosecutor in a court. 916 01:02:44.399 --> 01:02:45.319 He's the accuser. 917 01:02:45.519 --> 01:02:52.203 He's accusing you before God in God's heavenly court of all of these crimes, these sins. 918 01:02:53.063 --> 01:02:55.565 And they're the reason none of us can get out. 919 01:02:55.965 --> 01:02:59.928 It's like we're tainted and that tainting keeps us trapped inside this construct. 920 01:03:00.689 --> 01:03:02.831 So Christ comes down here. 921 01:03:03.571 --> 01:03:08.055 That's like, imagine the being that created the construct. 922 01:03:08.075 --> 01:03:09.416 He's outside the construct. 923 01:03:09.476 --> 01:03:10.537 He's Mark Zuckerberg. 924 01:03:10.777 --> 01:03:12.198 He's created the metaverse, right? 925 01:03:13.359 --> 01:03:17.522 Imagine Mark then downloads himself in there to interact with the characters and 926 01:03:18.093 --> 01:03:23.658 Christ comes from outside, downloads himself into a human body and beats the system. 927 01:03:23.678 --> 01:03:31.184 Because the system is any kind of thing that you do wrong to sin against God or your soul traps you here, but he makes it around that. 928 01:03:31.545 --> 01:03:37.650 He defeats death and that opens a doorway so that our souls can actually get out if we want to accept that. 929 01:03:38.771 --> 01:03:43.395 But most people are too addicted to the construct, like the guy eating the steak in the matrix. 930 01:03:44.196 --> 01:03:45.357 They don't want to get out. 931 01:03:46.933 --> 01:03:48.114 So they choose to stay. 932 01:03:48.454 --> 01:03:51.436 Now we have this 2000 year long period. 933 01:03:51.976 --> 01:03:54.097 So in the beginning, I want you to really imagine this world. 934 01:03:54.117 --> 01:03:56.278 See, people are, have been so tricked about history. 935 01:03:57.759 --> 01:04:00.201 Have you ever seen a apocalypto Mel Gibson's movie? 936 01:04:01.041 --> 01:04:02.062 Oh, love that movie. 937 01:04:02.602 --> 01:04:02.842 Right. 938 01:04:02.982 --> 01:04:03.202 Okay. 939 01:04:03.222 --> 01:04:04.003 I love that movie. 940 01:04:04.043 --> 01:04:04.223 Yeah. 941 01:04:04.303 --> 01:04:04.563 All right. 942 01:04:04.823 --> 01:04:10.927 So you get to the, you get to the Mayan city and you see the scale of the human

sacrifice going on. 943 01:04:11.387 --> 01:04:11.727 Oh yeah. 944 01:04:12.167 --> 01:04:12.407 Right. 945 01:04:13.028 --> 01:04:14.789 This is going on all over the world. 946 01:04:14.809 --> 01:04:15.149 Right. 947 01:04:15.964 --> 01:04:16.284 Okay. 948 01:04:16.764 --> 01:04:21.867 So, you know, like now or during that time, you mean both, both, yeah, both. 949 01:04:22.327 --> 01:04:29.190 But during the time of Christ, if you actually look, you'll find out the human sacrifice is happening all over the world. 950 01:04:29.210 --> 01:04:35.553 And all of the gods are hungry for human blood and everywhere you go, they have their local gods, but those gods, 951 01:04:36.737 --> 01:04:40.059 it's covenantal relationship, they need blood, human blood. 952 01:04:40.860 --> 01:04:51.427 So the scale, like if you just do, I don't have the numbers in my head, but the scale of the Mesoamerican slaughter of humans is just for ritualistic purposes is astonishing. 953 01:04:51.848 --> 01:04:58.933 You know, where all four corners of the pyramid have 10,000 people in a line, like being led there at a time to have their hearts cut out, right? 954 01:04:59.173 --> 01:05:00.414 Or if you, you look at, uh, 955 01:05:01.700 --> 01:05:07.883 You know, when the Hebrews in the Bible, they go into the promised land, the promised land was then Canaan. 956 01:05:08.063 --> 01:05:12.165 And people don't realize that the Canaanites, they were the Baal worshipers. 957 01:05:12.606 --> 01:05:15.127 The Canaanites became the Phoenicians. 958 01:05:15.327 --> 01:05:17.848 And the Phoenicians are where our whole alphabet comes from. 959 01:05:18.068 --> 01:05:20.710 Like people don't realize our alphabet comes from the Canaanites. 960 01:05:21.230 --> 01:05:24.152 The Canaanites were the ones sacrificing their children to Baal. 961 01:05:25.392 --> 01:05:26.993 This is going on all over the world. 962 01:05:27.433 --> 01:05:31.955 And Baal was a god that looks like an ox? 963 01:05:33.036 --> 01:05:35.137 Well, he can take other forms too. 964 01:05:35.177 --> 01:05:39.859 But yeah, especially now today, you see him depicted as sort of a bull god. 965 01:05:39.879 --> 01:05:44.221 I don't know how accurate all that is, but you have this Baal slash Molech thing going on. 966 01:05:44.361 --> 01:05:45.461 Yeah, Molech. 967 01:05:45.561 --> 01:05:46.642 And what's the past from it? 968 01:05:48.011 --> 01:05:56.013 Baphomet is more modern, but Baphomet is that guy you see like the satanic church worshiping and he's got goat hooves and he's hermaphroditic. 969 01:05:56.533 --> 01:05:56.853 Yeah. 970 01:05:56.893 --> 01:05:59.974 And he's got like goat horns and the pentagram between his horns and stuff. 971 01:05:59.994 --> 01:06:00.494 That's Baphomet. 972 01:06:00.895 --> 01:06:05.896 That Elon Musk had on his suit on X on his profile picture. 973 01:06:05.976 --> 01:06:06.556 All right. 974 01:06:06.616 --> 01:06:08.957 We'll get to that actually in a minute because that's like Luciferianism. 975 01:06:08.977 --> 01:06:09.497 So we'll get to that. 976 01:06:09.557 --> 01:06:09.697 Yeah. 977 01:06:09.837 --> 01:06:16.899 Okay, so all over the world, human beings are being sacrificed and Christ comes and puts like basically puts an end to it as the final sacrifice. 978 01:06:17.579 --> 01:06:22.260 He sacrifices himself and it, it's like, I'm trying to put this. 979 01:06:23.820 --> 01:06:32.642 It says that if they had understood what they were doing, they wouldn't have killed him because by killing a sinless person, he actually can't be held alive. 980 01:06:33.862 --> 01:06:37.304 here in this like prison that the rest of us get held in. 981 01:06:38.004 --> 01:06:41.206 And he defeats sin and death and he's resurrected. 982 01:06:41.506 --> 01:06:42.366 That's the whole thing. 983 01:06:42.887 --> 01:06:45.708 And if you don't know about the shroud of Turin, do some research. 984 01:06:45.728 --> 01:06:47.409 It's the most incredible thing on the earth. 985 01:06:47.489 --> 01:06:49.590 I mean, can you say that again? 986 01:06:49.890 --> 01:06:51.131 Shroud of Turin. 987 01:06:52.338 --> 01:06:53.978 Man, I need to jot this down. 988 01:06:53.998 --> 01:06:56.499 Yeah, so the shroud of... All right, make sure we come back to that. 989 01:06:56.539 --> 01:07:02.341 But anyway, my point is, at the end of that, it basically puts an end to the worship. 990 01:07:02.461 --> 01:07:05.962 Christ puts an end to the worship of all these gods, all the old world gods. 991 01:07:06.162 --> 01:07:12.984 Slowly over the next, you know, several hundred years and thousand years, all this stuff starts crumbling away and all these ancient gods kind of go away. 992 01:07:14.104 --> 01:07:18.585 But now we're seeing them coming back, you know, because people have fallen away. 993 01:07:19.166 --> 01:07:22.627 And the Christian path has turned into a religion thing. 994 01:07:23.447 --> 01:07:25.208 And religion does not get you there. 995 01:07:26.168 --> 01:07:28.249 Religion is like, I follow a set of rules. 996 01:07:29.569 --> 01:07:32.610 It's like, if you're in a relationship with your wife and 997 01:07:33.848 --> 01:07:38.970 There are certain rules she'd like you to keep, but she'd like you to keep them because that's what your heart wants. 998 01:07:39.130 --> 01:07:42.572 Not because you're like following a set of rules and doing a set of rituals, right? 999 01:07:43.292 --> 01:07:51.296 It's like, if you're just doing the rituals, but your heart is not there, it's like, if you're looking every woman up and down like you'd like to sleep with her, 1000 01:07:52.482 --> 01:08:02.493 and you're wanting to sneak off and do things that you shouldn't, and you're not really committed to the relationship, but you act like it and you walk it out, is she going to be happy? 1001 01:08:02.533 --> 01:08:03.294 It's like, nope. 1002 01:08:03.935 --> 01:08:05.697 And that's how the relationship with God is, right? 1003

01:08:05.737 --> 01:08:06.037 It's like, 1004 01:08:07.000 --> 01:08:08.160 It's the condition of your heart. 1005 01:08:08.220 --> 01:08:12.162 So religion is like a trick because you're not really doing it. 1006 01:08:12.622 --> 01:08:14.523 And I think that's what a lot of Christianity is today. 1007 01:08:14.543 --> 01:08:15.523 A lot of it's religion. 1008 01:08:16.063 --> 01:08:23.046 But the real path, in my opinion, is developing a direct relationship with God and actually letting him into your life to guide your life. 1009 01:08:23.386 --> 01:08:27.187 One of the things you'll notice, they call it the Jesus glow or the Jesus glow up. 1010 01:08:27.648 --> 01:08:30.809 You just watch people who become Christians. 1011 01:08:31.909 --> 01:08:33.770 And you'll see a transformation in them. 1012 01:08:34.231 --> 01:08:36.172 If it's real, you'll see a transformation in them. 1013 01:08:36.352 --> 01:08:37.553 And then watch somebody go back. 1014 01:08:37.573 --> 01:08:39.855 You know who this really stands out for me is with Kanye West. 1015 01:08:40.535 --> 01:08:40.756 Yeah. 1016 01:08:40.776 --> 01:08:43.698 I don't know if you remember, Kanye got into Jesus for a while. 1017 01:08:44.425 --> 01:08:48.128 But before that, he was super into the occult. 1018 01:08:48.828 --> 01:08:49.229 Yeah. 1019 01:08:49.389 --> 01:08:55.153 Because I've been a huge Kanye fan since his first album, The College Dropout. 1020 01:08:55.373 --> 01:09:01.638 And I've been following his every album and his journey and it's so... Yeah, continue because... 1021 01:09:02.098 --> 01:09:07.883 Well, there's this period where he's preaching and doing his sermons and they're having their church thing all the time. 1022 01:09:08.224 --> 01:09:16.571 And you just see this lightness in his eyes, like all the demonic stuff has been pulled out of him and he is fresh and clean and he's radiating light. 1023 01:09:17.372 --> 01:09:19.434 And then he falls away from it and look at him now. 1024 01:09:19.734 --> 01:09:20.755 What do you see now in him? 1025 01:09:20.795 --> 01:09:21.756 Just darkness. 1026 01:09:22.176 --> 01:09:23.057 Yeah, darkness. 1027 01:09:23.257 --> 01:09:24.739 So that's a real thing. 1028 01:09:25.119 --> 01:09:26.200 Now, the problem is this. 1029 01:09:26.480 --> 01:09:30.824 The world sees that glow and they see it as naivety, right? 1030 01:09:30.904 --> 01:09:36.028 Like, so they think when they see that innocence that somebody gets, that's that whole idea of being born again. 1031 01:09:36.429 --> 01:09:37.249 I don't mean like the... 1032 01:09:38.050 --> 01:09:41.553 I hate it because the language is so fraught with so much garbage, you know? 1033 01:09:41.593 --> 01:09:42.214 Yeah, yeah. 1034 01:09:42.654 --> 01:09:53.343 But the idea is that you get to be reset and start fresh from a clean slate and you can renounce the works of this world and the works of the devil. 1035 01:09:53.743 --> 01:09:58.107 And you can enter into the kingdom of

God and have a connection with God. 1036 01:09:58.527 --> 01:10:07.149 And actually let him be the guiding force in your life instead of all of your instincts and all of these demons on your shoulders telling you to do all kinds of crazy things. 1037 01:10:07.329 --> 01:10:07.490 Right. 1038 01:10:07.890 --> 01:10:11.551 So you have this like clean relationship and you've been born again. 1039 01:10:11.931 --> 01:10:16.852 But the world sees that and they think that people look naive like school children. 1040 01:10:16.872 --> 01:10:18.273 They don't really know what's going on. 1041 01:10:18.693 --> 01:10:19.173 You know what I mean? 1042 01:10:19.193 --> 01:10:19.533 Like that. 1043 01:10:20.930 --> 01:10:22.451 I'm sure you've experienced it too. 1044 01:10:22.611 --> 01:10:25.934 It's like when you're around people and it's like, oh, they don't want to do any of the fun stuff. 1045 01:10:25.974 --> 01:10:28.075 They don't want to get drunk and party. 1046 01:10:28.115 --> 01:10:29.516 They don't want to like sleep around. 1047 01:10:29.536 --> 01:10:29.916 They don't want to. 1048 01:10:29.936 --> 01:10:32.939 And it's like, oh, you can't, I can't really be myself around this person. 1049 01:10:33.479 --> 01:10:33.719 Right. 1050 01:10:33.919 --> 01:10:37.121 But it's actually our own like shame and guilt about what we're, you know what I mean? 1051 01:10:37.142 --> 01:10:41.985 Because like when people are doing stuff that's not good for them, they want to be around other people that are doing that too a lot of the times. 1052 01:10:42.005 --> 01:10:42.185 Right. 1053 01:10:42.205 --> 01:10:44.327 They certainly don't want to be around people that aren't doing that. 1054 01:10:44.987 --> 01:10:46.988 And so it's like, oh, shame for sure. 1055 01:10:47.348 --> 01:10:47.648 Yeah. 1056 01:10:47.868 --> 01:10:48.128 Yeah. 1057 01:10:48.188 --> 01:10:48.408 Right. 1058 01:10:48.648 --> 01:10:49.648 Well, that's foundational, right? 1059 01:10:49.668 --> 01:10:50.628 To all human psychology. 1060 01:10:50.648 --> 01:10:55.270 So anyway, uh, to me, what it's really about, there's some kind of cosmic struggle going on. 1061 01:10:55.710 --> 01:10:56.550 Earth is in the middle. 1062 01:10:56.630 --> 01:10:57.970 Humans are in the middle of this. 1063 01:10:58.170 --> 01:11:00.171 And I don't think that you can be neutral. 1064 01:11:00.331 --> 01:11:02.591 I used to think you could, but I don't think that anymore. 1065 01:11:02.731 --> 01:11:06.492 I think that you're either serving the world and the kingdom of the world. 1066 01:11:06.552 --> 01:11:12.514 And, and this idea of this character, Satan or the devil, he's the, he's the God of this world. 1067 01:11:13.617 --> 01:11:16.423 He's got dominion over everyone here and over the world. 1068 01:11:17.124 --> 01:11:22.255 And Christ creates a bridge out where you actually have the ability to escape that. 1069 01:11:23.648 --> 01:11:32.111 And the world wants to do anything it can to make that look

stupid and silly and ridiculous and naive and scientifically unsound. 1070 01:11:32.351 --> 01:11:35.852 And you're making it up and you believe in fairy tales. 1071 01:11:36.673 --> 01:11:40.234 Even though they have their own fairy tales, like the Big Bang, it's obviously a fairy tale. 1072 01:11:40.274 --> 01:11:45.095 I mean, like it's there's no it's not like you can go back 64 billion years ago or whatever. 1073 01:11:46.596 --> 01:11:49.677 They they hate Christianity so much. 1074 01:11:51.144 --> 01:11:56.209 And it's funny because Christianity is where we get hospitals and it's where we get like orphanages. 1075 01:11:56.289 --> 01:11:59.732 And it's like it's like where we got rid of all the old blood sacrifice. 1076 01:11:59.772 --> 01:12:05.117 Like it led to all this freedom that we have in this modern era all comes from that. 1077 01:12:05.157 --> 01:12:06.599 But now we're turning our backs on it. 1078 01:12:07.019 --> 01:12:10.602 And if you just look at what happened over the last I'm sure similar in Sweden. 1079 01:12:10.803 --> 01:12:12.644 I don't know because I haven't spent time there, but. 1080 01:12:13.425 --> 01:12:17.747 You know, here in the United States, like we gave up Christianity publicly. 1081 01:12:17.787 --> 01:12:19.268 We got rid of prayer in school. 1082 01:12:19.308 --> 01:12:19.848 We did all that. 1083 01:12:19.888 --> 01:12:21.909 It was like, oh, this is going to lead to all this freedom. 1084 01:12:22.649 --> 01:12:23.610 And here we are now. 1085 01:12:23.850 --> 01:12:30.493 Our whole system is decaying around us and it's fallen into, you see actually open Satanism everywhere now. 1086 01:12:31.113 --> 01:12:33.315 in the music industry, in the movies. 1087 01:12:33.716 --> 01:12:36.859 You're finding out that the elites are involved in all kinds of occultism. 1088 01:12:36.899 --> 01:12:42.125 You find out NASA, which is supposed to be this like ultra-scientific organization, has been involved in occultism. 1089 01:12:42.305 --> 01:12:45.328 You know, it's actually what the world's really run by occultism. 1090 01:12:46.281 --> 01:12:46.982 It's shocking. 1091 01:12:47.242 --> 01:12:54.767 The Freemasonry thing, I mean, it's all occultism and all of the other variants and other secret societies that kind of spring off of that or offshoots of that. 1092 01:12:54.787 --> 01:12:55.528 It's all occultism. 1093 01:12:55.868 --> 01:13:02.733 And so you're like, wait a second, it looks like this secular world, but you peel it back and you realize, no, it's the worship of all these other gods. 1094 01:13:02.933 --> 01:13:09.757 And I think the one that many of our elites are really into, it's the idea of a Lucifer, which means the light bringer. 1095 01:13:10.778 --> 01:13:13.081 And that idea is an ancient Gnostic idea. 1096 01:13:13.121 --> 01:13:15.023 So I just want to make sure I spell this out for people. 1097 01:13:15.243 --> 01:13:20.650 That belief is this, that see, because you have the elites on

one end, they're very religious. 1098 01:13:21.711 --> 01:13:26.216 You have all the religious people on the other end, and then all the people in the middle who think that all this stuff's made up. 1099 01:13:27.163 --> 01:13:30.766 But the people controlling the world and the people battling those people, they all believe it. 1100 01:13:30.966 --> 01:13:34.029 It's just the masses have been convinced that none of this stuff is real, right? 1101 01:13:34.890 --> 01:13:39.614 But the old Gnostic belief was that the serpent in the garden is actually the good guy. 1102 01:13:39.795 --> 01:13:42.377 The serpent in the garden is the good guy. 1103 01:13:42.937 --> 01:13:45.119 The one who gets Adam and Eve... 1104 01:13:45.995 --> 01:13:49.257 to take the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. 1105 01:13:50.257 --> 01:14:05.765 The Luciferian belief is that God was an oppressive controller who wanted to keep people from the knowledge that would enlighten them, and that Satan's come to enlighten people, and that his rebellion is against an evil taskmaster. 1106 01:14:06.525 --> 01:14:11.889 And that actually the pursuit of that kind of enlightenment is actually the real purpose. 1107 01:14:11.930 --> 01:14:13.331 And God is trying to keep you from that. 1108 01:14:13.351 --> 01:14:14.372 And God's the bad guy. 1109 01:14:14.812 --> 01:14:15.973 And Satan's the good guy. 1110 01:14:16.353 --> 01:14:21.637 And that's what basically modern day occultism and Luciferianism, that's what that's all about. 1111 01:14:22.598 --> 01:14:25.220 I mean, if you were really going to just like boil it down to the simplest thing. 1112 01:14:25.240 --> 01:14:25.921 Yeah. 1113 01:14:26.481 --> 01:14:32.747 And so what's happened is the world is all kind of following this Luciferian path, not realizing it. 1114 01:14:33.832 --> 01:14:36.435 just getting roped into it and led along with it. 1115 01:14:36.675 --> 01:14:41.481 And now we're starting to see, I mean, it's crazy, bro. 1116 01:14:41.501 --> 01:14:47.988 I can't believe in my lifetime, we're starting to see like the prophecies of revelation, like starting to happen. 1117 01:14:48.529 --> 01:14:51.372 And the world's been so convinced to ignore this stuff. 1118 01:14:51.652 --> 01:14:52.513 They can't see it. 1119 01:14:54.049 --> 01:14:54.829 They just can't see it. 1120 01:14:54.869 --> 01:14:56.550 And that includes a lot of people in the church too. 1121 01:14:56.570 --> 01:14:57.590 You know, they just can't see it. 1122 01:14:57.790 --> 01:14:59.911 But very powerful things are taking place. 1123 01:15:00.191 --> 01:15:04.512 And I think what you're about to see is the revelation of interdimensional beings as real. 1124 01:15:05.513 --> 01:15:10.234 And that would have been easily understood in the past because what are angelic beings? 1125 01:15:10.514 --> 01:15:11.755 What are demonic beings? 1126 01:15:12.475 --> 01:15:12.915 What is this? 1127 01:15:13.155 --> 01:15:15.476 Where is this ecosystem of these spiritual beings? 1128 01:15:15.496 --> 01:15:19.417 Well, it's like, it's actually, it's not like they're just these ethereal ghosts. 1129 01:15:19.457 --> 01:15:21.338 It's just they're from another dimension. 1130 01:15:22.158 --> 01:15:28.642 you're in a construct and there's a whole world outside the construct and beings are coming into our construct. 1131 01:15:29.722 --> 01:15:30.823 Maybe you've been in it before. 1132 01:15:30.843 --> 01:15:42.590 And it sure seems like the government's telling you they're about to let you see these things, you know, or at least start to reveal that this whole other world's not just there, but interacting with our world. 1133 01:15:42.610 --> 01:15:47.453 And for some reason is really interested in people, like very interested in us. 1134 01:15:47.833 --> 01:15:49.094 It's like, why are they interested in us? 1135 01:15:49.979 --> 01:15:50.720 What is this interest? 1136 01:15:51.020 --> 01:15:56.284 I think you mentioned that in... You asked that question in our previous podcast as well. 1137 01:15:56.384 --> 01:15:58.325 Like, why are they so interested in us? 1138 01:15:59.206 --> 01:16:01.467 Isn't that really an important question? 1139 01:16:01.507 --> 01:16:02.748 It's a great question. 1140 01:16:03.289 --> 01:16:03.889 Like, why? 1141 01:16:03.929 --> 01:16:04.249 You know? 1142 01:16:05.410 --> 01:16:07.152 If they're so evolved and so far past... 1143 01:16:07.172 --> 01:16:07.372 Exactly. 1144 01:16:07.392 --> 01:16:07.812 Like, why? 1145 01:16:07.872 --> 01:16:08.693 What's the purpose? 1146 01:16:08.793 --> 01:16:10.354 Are we an energy source? 1147 01:16:10.694 --> 01:16:14.277 Or like, are we this battery that Morpheus held up in... 1148 01:16:14.737 --> 01:16:23.782 But he was maybe talking more systematically in the machine that we are these cogs, that we are these batteries or as they are portraying in the Pixar. 1149 01:16:23.822 --> 01:16:32.727 I think it's a Pixar movie, you know, Monster, the kids movie where they are scaring the kids and they they the monsters get the energy from the scared kids. 1150 01:16:32.807 --> 01:16:34.048 Well, I don't think that's going on. 1151 01:16:34.088 --> 01:16:35.609 It's not like they're trying to scare you all the time. 1152 01:16:35.629 --> 01:16:37.410 That is not going on at all. 1153 01:16:38.290 --> 01:16:39.411 Not on this podcast. 1154 01:16:39.431 --> 01:16:39.631 Yeah. 1155 01:16:40.632 --> 01:16:41.873 But I mean, it's so true. 1156 01:16:41.893 --> 01:16:44.595 Like when you see the way fear is pushed so heavily. 1157 01:16:45.075 --> 01:16:45.736 Yeah. 1158 01:16:46.216 --> 01:17:00.868 What's going on here that we're having a public conversation about these two things, elites using human beings in the way that we're seeing now that they've been doing, and then simultaneous to that interdimensional or ultra terrestrial beings. 1159 01:17:01.568 --> 01:17:03.770 It's really pretty interesting stuff, you know? 1160

01:17:03.830 --> 01:17:04.831 So I think that the 1161 01:17:06.338 --> 01:17:08.659 the world of religion has been mythologized. 1162 01:17:09.099 --> 01:17:14.562 And actually it's probably a much more interesting and scientific thing that's been going on is that there's many dimensions. 1163 01:17:14.902 --> 01:17:16.783 Those dimensions are filled with beings. 1164 01:17:16.983 --> 01:17:24.026 You know, cause another part that can be frustrating, like you were, I'm gonna put words in your mouth here, but essentially what I was hearing from you is that 1165 01:17:24.904 --> 01:17:33.752 or I'll speak for myself, a lot of Christians, their worldview feels like a second grader's picture book to me. 1166 01:17:33.792 --> 01:17:42.660 It's a pretty simple worldview where it's like, well, there's God, and then there's angels, and then there's people, and then there's demons, and then there's the devil, and that's just like all the things. 1167 01:17:43.080 --> 01:17:46.524 And I can also say that maybe it's just me not understanding... 1168 01:17:47.885 --> 01:17:48.765 the whole concept. 1169 01:17:48.845 --> 01:17:54.388 And that is the worldview though of most, that is the typical, if you were going to go to a typical church, that's the worldview. 1170 01:17:54.428 --> 01:17:58.611 And I think that that worldview is like incredibly simplified and dumbed down. 1171 01:17:59.091 --> 01:18:06.895 And I just think the real story is way more complex, but our souls, for whatever reason, they're extremely valuable. 1172 01:18:07.096 --> 01:18:16.441 And there are, there's not just an effort to enslave and, and there's actually an effort to make you think you don't have a soul. 1173 01:18:17.953 --> 01:18:19.314 So my friend pointed this out to me recently. 1174 01:18:19.334 --> 01:18:21.254 He was like, we're talking about atheists. 1175 01:18:21.554 --> 01:18:24.996 Because one of the things that's really interesting is there's never been atheists before. 1176 01:18:25.536 --> 01:18:27.177 It's like a completely new phenomenon. 1177 01:18:27.197 --> 01:18:27.957 It's like veganism. 1178 01:18:28.457 --> 01:18:29.958 It's like a new phenomenon. 1179 01:18:30.238 --> 01:18:30.458 Yeah. 1180 01:18:30.618 --> 01:18:36.881 You know, people think like about Greece and Rome and they think that the, because, you know, we get our Congress and our Senate from there. 1181 01:18:36.941 --> 01:18:39.102 We get like a part of our political system comes from there. 1182 01:18:39.442 --> 01:18:40.462 Philosophy comes from there. 1183 01:18:40.482 --> 01:18:42.063 So they think like, oh, these were secular. 1184 01:18:42.183 --> 01:18:47.065 It's like, no, it's all temples and sacrifices to gods and goddesses. 1185 01:18:47.923 --> 01:18:52.085 with temple prostitution and all this, like there's some wild stuff that was going on, man. 1186 01:18:52.105 --> 01:18:55.247 I mean, these were highly, highly religious people. 1187 01:18:55.888 --> 01:18:57.609 There's never been atheists before. 1188 01:18:57.809 --> 01:19:04.072 And he was saying one of the things he loves to say to atheists when people explain that they're atheists, he likes to say, well, do you have a soul? 1189 01:19:04.773 --> 01:19:08.655 And he said, it's very hard for people in his experience to say no. 1190 01:19:09.702 --> 01:19:12.703 Like you got to be really hard headed to be like, yeah, I don't have a soul. 1191 01:19:13.683 --> 01:19:15.224 Because like most of us can feel that we do. 1192 01:19:15.524 --> 01:19:18.105 But there's like a strong effort to make you think that's ridiculous. 1193 01:19:18.345 --> 01:19:20.246 And I find that very, very intriguing. 1194 01:19:20.946 --> 01:19:30.009 I think it's also like I was thinking about this the other day, having a soul and just exploring what my my connection with my own soul was. 1195 01:19:30.189 --> 01:19:33.270 And I was like, so how do I train my soul? 1196 01:19:33.330 --> 01:19:34.671 How do I connect with it? 1197 01:19:35.371 --> 01:19:37.352 There were so many questions I couldn't answer. 1198 01:19:39.096 --> 01:19:40.977 How do I strengthen it? 1199 01:19:41.497 --> 01:19:49.221 And when you have like a wheel of life assessment, you have different life categories and spirituality is a certain part. 1200 01:19:49.261 --> 01:19:57.485 And I haven't gotten a clear definition that sits right with me when it comes to defining spirituality. 1201 01:19:58.557 --> 01:19:59.558 How would you define it? 1202 01:19:59.898 --> 01:20:07.585 And I've heard some say that like doing your life's mission when you're serving other people, that is a form of spiritual practice. 1203 01:20:07.605 --> 01:20:10.427 And that is, that we will call that spirituality. 1204 01:20:10.607 --> 01:20:12.749 But I would love to hear your nuances. 1205 01:20:13.269 --> 01:20:14.791 That's why we're having this conversation. 1206 01:20:14.811 --> 01:20:14.991 Right. 1207 01:20:15.151 --> 01:20:16.132 Well, yeah, well, I think, 1208 01:20:16.832 --> 01:20:18.493 I appreciate it, by the way. 1209 01:20:18.573 --> 01:20:22.775 And I need to be honest, like I'm not Christian. 1210 01:20:22.955 --> 01:20:28.979 I'm not Muslim, even though I have Muslim heritage from my mother's side, Christian heritage from my dad's side. 1211 01:20:28.999 --> 01:20:32.240 I've been practicing Buddhism, Vipassana and all. 1212 01:20:32.480 --> 01:20:40.705 So I'm I'm still, you know, I'm not doing one 100 ayahuasca ceremonies, but I got too many kids to take care of. 1213 01:20:41.728 --> 01:20:45.349 Well, Morgan, just to say, like, I've experienced in all those worlds, too. 1214 01:20:45.449 --> 01:20:51.830 And I mean, first of all, like, Buddhism is not necessarily incompatible, right? 1215 01:20:51.910 --> 01:20:53.831 Buddhism is a philosophy, not really a religion. 1216 01:20:53.971 --> 01:21:01.053 I don't know how to speak to, like, there are those, like, esoteric branches of Buddhism, like you see in Tibet,

with, like, all the gods and all this kind of wild stuff. 1217 01:21:01.513 --> 01:21:04.973 But, like, Buddhism at its core, it's, like, a philosophical thing. 1218 01:21:05.093 --> 01:21:11.555 And it's kind of interesting that they say something similar to what I was just saying, that, like, souls get trapped in this wheel and they can't get out. 1219 01:21:11.695 --> 01:21:12.035 Right. 1220 01:21:12.255 --> 01:21:14.197 And what's so cool about Jesus is he got out. 1221 01:21:14.537 --> 01:21:28.269 And by the way, I brought up the shroud of Turin, which is the most studied artifact on earth, which is the burial cloth cloth of Jesus, which bears a photographic negative of him at the moment of his resurrection. 1222 01:21:29.029 --> 01:21:31.852 And it cannot be explained by any science. 1223 01:21:31.892 --> 01:21:32.953 And so just so you know, like in 1978, 1224 01:21:34.694 --> 01:21:38.298 All these scientists went to Italy to study the shroud. 1225 01:21:38.518 --> 01:21:40.060 They brought people from MIT. 1226 01:21:40.681 --> 01:21:42.362 They brought people from NASA. 1227 01:21:42.543 --> 01:21:45.686 They brought people from the Air Force Academy of Sciences. 1228 01:21:45.866 --> 01:21:49.650 And these guys all thought they would go disprove this thing as a painting, like within five minutes. 1229 01:21:50.371 --> 01:22:02.304 And they spent five days with it, and they wrote this incredible book about it basically being like, this is completely unexplainable, but it's definitely a photographic negative of a man who was crucified, and we can't explain how this was made. 1230 01:22:03.085 --> 01:22:07.950 And the current explanation is that it had to have been made by a massive light burst coming out of the dead body. 1231 01:22:08.370 --> 01:22:09.971 It's very, very powerful stuff, man. 1232 01:22:09.991 --> 01:22:10.712 You should look into this. 1233 01:22:10.772 --> 01:22:11.372 It's very cool. 1234 01:22:11.612 --> 01:22:22.941 I've got some podcasts coming out about it, but I mean, a lot of work's been done on this more, more, more man hours of study by more disciplines than any other artifact in existence. 1235 01:22:23.141 --> 01:22:23.441 Okay. 1236 01:22:23.501 --> 01:22:24.762 So, um, back to your thing. 1237 01:22:25.443 --> 01:22:28.205 If you were like, how do you take care of your physical body? 1238 01:22:28.225 --> 01:22:29.066 I would be like, Hey, okay. 1239 01:22:29.086 --> 01:22:30.407 We need to talk about a couple of things. 1240 01:22:30.427 --> 01:22:34.770 We need to talk about what you're eating and how you're eliminating food. 1241 01:22:35.475 --> 01:22:40.118 and we need to talk about your exercise and how you're maybe regulating your nervous system. 1242 01:22:40.158 --> 01:22:42.179 Those might be like, and rest, sleep, right? 1243 01:22:42.199 --> 01:22:43.040 Like those would be the things. 1244 01:22:43.880 --> 01:22:47.323 And then if it was like, well, how do I deal with my emotional body? 1245

01:22:48.048 --> 01:22:51.750 Be like, okay, well, let's start talking about how you relate to your feelings. 1246 01:22:51.790 --> 01:22:53.451 And are you even aware of your feelings? 1247 01:22:53.491 --> 01:22:55.352 And like, where are the sources of these feelings? 1248 01:22:55.372 --> 01:22:57.953 And then how do you, how do you communicate with others? 1249 01:22:57.993 --> 01:22:59.674 And what are your intimate relationships like? 1250 01:22:59.914 --> 01:23:01.795 And then if it's like, well, how do I take care of my mind? 1251 01:23:01.916 --> 01:23:08.779 Be like, well, let's talk about what you're learning and what you're writing and what you're speaking and, you know, what information you're taking in, right? 1252 01:23:08.799 --> 01:23:11.061 So how do I take care of my spiritual self? 1253 01:23:12.061 --> 01:23:14.082 It's like, well, that's prayer, bro. 1254 01:23:18.610 --> 01:23:19.330 How do you pray? 1255 01:23:20.011 --> 01:23:21.512 Yeah, it's pretty easy. 1256 01:23:21.572 --> 01:23:23.252 You just start talking to God. 1257 01:23:23.453 --> 01:23:31.417 And I think this is hard for people because it's kind of like having an imaginary friend at first, you know, I feel like you're having an imaginary friend. 1258 01:23:32.037 --> 01:23:33.958 But see, it's not on you to prove God. 1259 01:23:33.978 --> 01:23:36.599 It's on God to prove himself to you, right? 1260 01:23:36.699 --> 01:23:43.323 Like, it's like, hey, God, I need you to show up in my life and show me that this is like not just me having an imaginary friend. 1261 01:23:43.863 --> 01:23:44.003 Mm hmm. 1262 01:23:44.650 --> 01:23:46.873 You know, I know God's done that to you already, Morgan. 1263 01:23:46.893 --> 01:23:47.274 I know it. 1264 01:23:47.354 --> 01:23:48.015 I just know it. 1265 01:23:48.035 --> 01:23:50.960 I know you've experienced things that you're like, there's something outside this. 1266 01:23:51.921 --> 01:23:53.864 Like since I was little, of course. 1267 01:23:53.964 --> 01:23:55.487 So you're sensing it correctly. 1268 01:23:55.527 --> 01:23:56.568 And the thing I'm... 1269 01:24:00.534 --> 01:24:04.317 I'm curious about you're saying God and you're saying Christ. 1270 01:24:04.597 --> 01:24:07.179 And a lot of Christians, they say they are the same thing. 1271 01:24:07.419 --> 01:24:13.383 And coming, having a lot of influence from the Muslim faith, those things doesn't align. 1272 01:24:13.443 --> 01:24:13.723 Right. 1273 01:24:14.384 --> 01:24:14.604 Yeah. 1274 01:24:14.784 --> 01:24:15.765 One thing I want to say, too. 1275 01:24:15.845 --> 01:24:22.449 And you also mentioned something about like Christianity as a religion is a framework for how to behave. 1276 01:24:22.590 --> 01:24:25.472 And it necessarily isn't the way that you behave. 1277 01:24:26.212 --> 01:24:29.793 relate to Christ or that you are considering yourself a Christian. 1278 01:24:29.954 --> 01:24:31.514 Did I cut that right? 1279 01:24:31.914 --> 01:24:32.895 Let me refine that. 1280 01:24:32.935 --> 01:24:33.355 Yeah, please. 1281 01:24:33.515 --> 01:24:38.757 But first, I just want to big up the Muslim community because I see here's another interesting thing. 1282 01:24:40.273 --> 01:24:43.975 Both Jews and Muslims believe in Jesus. 1283 01:24:44.015 --> 01:24:44.635 100%. 1284 01:24:45.115 --> 01:24:49.658 That part's fascinating because that makes up like a huge part of the people alive on the planet. 1285 01:24:49.718 --> 01:24:58.562 So the difference is obviously if I asked a Muslim about Jesus, they're going to say peace be upon him, but they don't believe he was crucified and rose from the dead. 1286 01:24:59.584 --> 01:24:59.744 Right. 1287 01:24:59.764 --> 01:25:00.985 They don't think he was really. 1288 01:25:01.165 --> 01:25:06.147 No, that part I think they believe is the thing that he's God. 1289 01:25:06.787 --> 01:25:07.068 Okay. 1290 01:25:07.628 --> 01:25:14.251 So I think the main difference is that he is a prophet. 1291 01:25:14.771 --> 01:25:14.971 Right. 1292 01:25:15.371 --> 01:25:18.073 And he's not the son of God and he is not God. 1293 01:25:18.573 --> 01:25:18.813 Right. 1294 01:25:19.273 --> 01:25:20.474 I think that is the main thing. 1295 01:25:20.934 --> 01:25:23.636 But basically, most of the... Let's accept that for now. 1296 01:25:24.116 --> 01:25:25.677 But they don't believe he didn't exist. 1297 01:25:25.717 --> 01:25:26.157 You know what I mean? 1298 01:25:26.598 --> 01:25:27.418 No, no, no, for sure. 1299 01:25:27.838 --> 01:25:33.982 And then the Jews believe he existed, but they think he was like a black magician who was deceiving the people. 1300 01:25:34.963 --> 01:25:35.103 Right? 1301 01:25:35.123 --> 01:25:36.263 But they believe he existed. 1302 01:25:37.424 --> 01:25:41.607 So the Jews believed he existed even though he came after... 1303 01:25:42.592 --> 01:25:45.014 Did he come like after the release of the Torah? 1304 01:25:45.154 --> 01:25:46.115 The release of the Torah? 1305 01:25:46.456 --> 01:25:47.597 You mean before they got the Torah? 1306 01:25:47.917 --> 01:25:49.098 Yeah, before they got the Torah. 1307 01:25:49.338 --> 01:25:50.339 No, no, they had the Torah. 1308 01:25:50.359 --> 01:25:51.661 They got the Torah from Moses. 1309 01:25:51.921 --> 01:25:53.863 Yeah, from Moses and then Jesus came. 1310 01:25:54.243 --> 01:25:57.907 Yeah, and Moses talks about the prophet who's going to come after him. 1311 01:25:57.967 --> 01:25:59.328 And he talks about Jesus. 1312 01:25:59.488 --> 01:26:01.730 Okay, so they all believe he's real. 1313 01:26:01.830 --> 01:26:03.632 And then historians know he was real too. 1314 01:26:03.692 --> 01:26:04.533 So it's kind of interesting. 1315 01:26:04.553 --> 01:26:05.414 This is a real guy. 1316 01:26:05.534 --> 01:26:07.356 You know, this stuff, this guy lived, right? 1317 01:26:08.526 --> 01:26:10.889 Christianity maintains this idea of the Trinity. 1318 01:26:10.969 --> 01:26:14.973 So it's like Jesus

is the son and God is the father and the Holy Spirit. 1319 01:26:15.014 --> 01:26:18.638 And three of them are one, but they're also separate and all that's very hard to understand. 1320 01:26:18.678 --> 01:26:19.419 Very confusing. 1321 01:26:19.439 --> 01:26:23.363 And I just don't personally feel like I need to get too invested in that argument. 1322 01:26:23.563 --> 01:26:25.766 He's constantly referring to himself and, 1323 01:26:26.915 --> 01:26:37.064 being referred to as the son of God or the only begotten or the, I forget the Greek term, but it's like monogenesis maybe or something like that. 1324 01:26:37.124 --> 01:26:38.925 Or anyway, it's very cool. 1325 01:26:39.005 --> 01:26:41.728 Like what, how they get that translation of only begotten. 1326 01:26:41.948 --> 01:26:43.429 He's a unique son of God. 1327 01:26:43.449 --> 01:26:50.035 But actually, when you read all of that, the Old Testament and the second temple writings, you're, 1328 01:26:50.195 --> 01:26:55.339 You get this idea, even those beings that we talked about before, the Watchers from the Book of Enoch, they're called the sons of God. 1329 01:26:55.539 --> 01:27:01.423 And so it's not that God, he's the only son, he's the only unique son of God. 1330 01:27:03.187 --> 01:27:06.508 I don't know if he's the exact same thing as God or not. 1331 01:27:06.548 --> 01:27:12.550 That's like a Christian dogma that I'm like, I don't know, I believe in him as a savior, you know, for humanity. 1332 01:27:13.370 --> 01:27:13.950 And not. 1333 01:27:14.230 --> 01:27:21.933 Could we just say that, now I'm just imagining what that could mean, just to make sense of it, that, 1334 01:27:23.471 --> 01:27:31.953 that we are this human flesh suit, but we all have the divine, like drop of God within us. 1335 01:27:32.133 --> 01:27:38.815 And we were having this spiritual experience through this, like, small lens. 1336 01:27:39.495 --> 01:27:49.378 And that way, I'm also I'm I'm myself, I'm Morgan sitting here having this podcast, but at the at the same time, I have the essence of the creator within me. 1337 01:27:50.398 --> 01:27:52.159 Okay, so that belief. 1338 01:27:53.119 --> 01:27:55.721 which is pretty widespread and pretty common belief. 1339 01:27:56.701 --> 01:28:00.984 I haven't seen it yield spiritual fruit for people in any significant way. 1340 01:28:01.424 --> 01:28:02.565 Do you understand what I mean by spiritual fruit? 1341 01:28:02.585 --> 01:28:03.165 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1342 01:28:03.185 --> 01:28:03.625 No effect. 1343 01:28:04.426 --> 01:28:04.606 Right? 1344 01:28:04.946 --> 01:28:07.027 So I see, well, I think it has some effect. 1345 01:28:07.187 --> 01:28:08.828 It's better than being an atheist, I think. 1346 01:28:09.108 --> 01:28:09.288 Yeah. 1347 01:28:09.529 --> 01:28:09.749 Right? 1348 01:28:09.869 --> 01:28:12.490 Because if you're an atheist, then it's kind of like nihilism. 1349 01:28:12.530 --> 01:28:17.133 And then the only thing to believe in is like human

beings, basically, and our intelligence and stuff. 1350 01:28:18.467 --> 01:28:21.709 The idea that we're all just a one drop of the creator. 1351 01:28:21.990 --> 01:28:22.870 I mean, I get the idea. 1352 01:28:22.890 --> 01:28:23.771 I can articulate it. 1353 01:28:23.811 --> 01:28:26.513 It's like each one of us is a drop of the ocean. 1354 01:28:26.973 --> 01:28:31.356 And that's so that God can have the experience of being all these different things. 1355 01:28:31.396 --> 01:28:32.857 So we can have all this rich experience. 1356 01:28:32.877 --> 01:28:35.159 But then we all ultimately come back together in God. 1357 01:28:35.239 --> 01:28:36.520 There are people eating people. 1358 01:28:37.788 --> 01:28:38.528 Are they, you know what I mean? 1359 01:28:38.609 --> 01:28:40.089 Like there are people eating children. 1360 01:28:40.210 --> 01:28:43.292 Like, is that a drop of God experiencing itself? 1361 01:28:43.492 --> 01:28:43.972 I don't know. 1362 01:28:44.052 --> 01:28:45.813 I don't really vibe that. 1363 01:28:46.514 --> 01:28:50.696 The other component is I don't see it yield powerful spiritual fruit. 1364 01:28:50.736 --> 01:28:57.320 So, so occasionally I meet people who really have like some beautiful integrity and walk in an upright way. 1365 01:28:57.501 --> 01:28:57.621 And. 1366 01:28:58.760 --> 01:29:01.261 live beautiful, clean and helpful lives. 1367 01:29:01.321 --> 01:29:13.346 But, but generally speaking, I find that that belief allows people to avoid having to actually do difficult spiritual work because the belief's almost like, well, you're already God, dude, you're all set. 1368 01:29:13.546 --> 01:29:17.668 And, and it really blends nicely with that new age belief, which is like, well, we're all God. 1369 01:29:18.268 --> 01:29:21.189 And it's like, well, if we're all God, show me physician, heal thyself. 1370 01:29:22.610 --> 01:29:22.790 Right. 1371 01:29:22.830 --> 01:29:23.390 That's what I would say. 1372 01:29:23.430 --> 01:29:23.710 Okay. 1373 01:29:23.730 --> 01:29:24.310 If you're God, 1374 01:29:29.200 --> 01:29:38.103 But I don't see many paths actually lead to people finding truly like, so that word salvation is another one of those Christian words that you're like, oh my God, I get so sick of hearing that word. 1375 01:29:38.123 --> 01:29:39.623 But at the same time, like, what does it mean? 1376 01:29:40.003 --> 01:29:40.784 And what does it mean? 1377 01:29:41.224 --> 01:29:43.684 It's where we get that word salve from, right? 1378 01:29:43.704 --> 01:29:49.406 Like a healing salve, like a healing balm, you know, as a salve salvation to be saved. 1379 01:29:50.346 --> 01:29:50.527 Right. 1380 01:29:50.587 --> 01:29:52.187 What do we need to be saved from? 1381 01:29:53.067 --> 01:29:58.109 I think we need to be saved from this, this corrupted, this corrupted simulation we're in this. 1382 01:29:59.244 --> 01:30:00.785 corrupted program we're living in. 1383 01:30:01.726 --> 01:30:07.731 And if I believe actually everything's just fine, we're all drops of God, then why is it degrading? 1384 01:30:08.831 --> 01:30:12.172 further and further into total chaos and debauchery. 1385 01:30:12.412 --> 01:30:12.892 Do you know what I mean? 1386 01:30:12.912 --> 01:30:13.333 Does that make sense? 1387 01:30:13.993 --> 01:30:18.314 Why is the world filled with lies and why are demons running amok if that's the case? 1388 01:30:18.494 --> 01:30:21.335 It kind of doesn't actually really make sense. 1389 01:30:21.555 --> 01:30:23.076 So I don't think it's quite that. 1390 01:30:23.716 --> 01:30:29.298 I think that we're all fledgling souls, something like this. 1391 01:30:29.678 --> 01:30:33.819 Again, I don't want to try to like nail down doctrine because I think that's when we create religions. 1392 01:30:33.860 --> 01:30:34.460 And then it's like, 1393 01:30:35.440 --> 01:30:36.841 So I like to keep things a little loose. 1394 01:30:36.861 --> 01:30:40.343 And I know that many people are going to hear this and be like, that guy's a heretic. 1395 01:30:40.443 --> 01:30:42.103 It's not, that's not Christianity, you know? 1396 01:30:42.123 --> 01:30:42.724 So I get that. 1397 01:30:42.744 --> 01:30:43.704 I'm willing to take that on. 1398 01:30:43.884 --> 01:30:49.647 But I think it's something like, you know, humans were being raised up to take dominion of the earth. 1399 01:30:49.887 --> 01:30:58.312 And what happened to us was we were exposed to that knowledge of good and evil before we were ready to manage that knowledge because we hadn't matured enough. 1400 01:30:59.092 --> 01:31:02.654 So just like, you know, you don't let your four-year-old drive a car in traffic. 1401 01:31:03.487 --> 01:31:04.428 They're just not ready. 1402 01:31:04.448 --> 01:31:06.290 It's not because one day they won't be ready. 1403 01:31:06.310 --> 01:31:07.732 It's because they're currently not ready. 1404 01:31:08.493 --> 01:31:13.158 I think human beings got, you know, roped into knowledge that we weren't ready for. 1405 01:31:13.718 --> 01:31:14.519 And it was a trick. 1406 01:31:14.740 --> 01:31:15.861 You know, think about this. 1407 01:31:15.881 --> 01:31:17.583 Like we use this term employ. 1408 01:31:17.603 --> 01:31:18.544 It means to get a job. 1409 01:31:18.564 --> 01:31:21.026 And no one ever asks, like, what does it mean? 1410 01:31:22.348 --> 01:31:22.929 Employ. 1411 01:31:23.923 --> 01:31:24.783 What's a ploy? 1412 01:31:25.003 --> 01:31:25.603 A ploy is a trick. 1413 01:31:25.623 --> 01:31:26.124 I have no idea. 1414 01:31:26.524 --> 01:31:27.204 It's a trick. 1415 01:31:27.224 --> 01:31:28.204 A ploy is a trick. 1416 01:31:28.424 --> 01:31:29.985 Your tricks, basically. 1417 01:31:30.205 --> 01:31:31.105 That's what a ploy is. 1418 01:31:31.145 --> 01:31:31.965 A ploy is a trick. 1419 01:31:32.045 --> 01:31:38.207 And actually, the definition is a ploy is a trick or a scheme designed to gain advantage over someone. 1420 01:31:38.547 --> 01:31:44.809

Now, M as a prefix means to go into or to be put into or to step into or be changed into. 1421 01:31:46.029 --> 01:31:50.631 So, employ means to go into a scheme designed to gain advantage over people. 1422 01:31:51.031 --> 01:31:51.211 Hmm. 1423 01:31:52.124 --> 01:31:56.307 So if you're the employer, you're the employer, you have a scheme. 1424 01:31:56.327 --> 01:31:57.808 I love how you break down words. 1425 01:32:00.270 --> 01:32:01.431 It's right in front of us, you know? 1426 01:32:01.451 --> 01:32:01.871 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1427 01:32:02.432 --> 01:32:09.917 So something like that, it's like a scheme was developed to get our, to get control of our world. 1428 01:32:10.178 --> 01:32:13.220 And we were too young and immature to understand it. 1429 01:32:13.580 --> 01:32:17.964 Just like a child who's too young to understand the Roblox predator who's... 1430 01:32:19.037 --> 01:32:21.358 creeping on them, you know, digitally or whatever. 1431 01:32:21.398 --> 01:32:21.838 You know what I mean? 1432 01:32:21.858 --> 01:32:22.998 Like they don't understand. 1433 01:32:23.358 --> 01:32:26.819 And so they're susceptible to predation, right? 1434 01:32:26.839 --> 01:32:29.219 You know, I keep saying it's like a spiritual ecosystem. 1435 01:32:29.499 --> 01:32:34.901 Well, ecosystems have predators and we fell victim to one or multiple, I don't know. 1436 01:32:35.161 --> 01:32:37.061 But all right, back to it. 1437 01:32:37.261 --> 01:32:46.684 I think that our souls, see, whenever I have thought throughout my life that maybe I'm God experiencing myself, it always leads me into a bad place, man. 1438 01:32:46.724 --> 01:32:48.144 It never has led me anywhere good. 1439 01:32:48.764 --> 01:33:01.139 And what I think is that, you know how, like, if you run an organization, you have, I say this to my wife last night, like, people are always like, I want to, I want to use my work to change the world. 1440 01:33:01.179 --> 01:33:03.202 It's like, not everybody should be changing the world. 1441 01:33:04.508 --> 01:33:05.008 You know what I mean? 1442 01:33:05.168 --> 01:33:07.570 Some people need to just not try to change the world. 1443 01:33:07.610 --> 01:33:14.955 Like if certain type of personalities that fit really well into organizations, help to execute the vision of somebody else. 1444 01:33:14.995 --> 01:33:18.497 And you have other people that are really good at creating the vision, right? 1445 01:33:18.517 --> 01:33:19.597 But it's like, we all have different. 1446 01:33:19.798 --> 01:33:19.898 So 1447 01:33:20.558 --> 01:33:25.380 So there's certain people who they're much happier if they just, you know, submission. 1448 01:33:25.420 --> 01:33:26.500 Think about the word submission. 1449 01:33:26.520 --> 01:33:32.222 It means to have a mission that's underneath your thing is under someone's mission sub below. 1450 01:33:32.863 --> 01:33:35.284 You have your beneath someone else's mission. 1451 01:33:36.244 --> 01:33:37.544 That's most people, right? 1452 01:33:37.564 --> 01:33:39.025 Like not everybody's a CEO. 1453 01:33:39.465 --> 01:33:43.867 Most people should be executing for the CEO and they're actually happier that way. 1454 01:33:43.887 --> 01:33:45.347 It's like different personality types. 1455 01:33:46.068 --> 01:33:46.328 Okay. 1456 01:33:46.388 --> 01:33:46.988 Similarly. 1457 01:33:48.968 --> 01:33:54.869 I think when we submit ourselves to a higher force, why does AA work to get people sober in a way that nothing else works? 1458 01:33:55.389 --> 01:33:56.410 It's the very first part of it. 1459 01:33:56.470 --> 01:33:57.230 It's Christianity. 1460 01:33:57.270 --> 01:34:09.452 It's basically, it's Christianity rewritten into a program, 12-step program, and begins with realizing that you're powerless over your own situation and then asking for your higher power to step in and help you. 1461 01:34:09.813 --> 01:34:11.413 Yeah, that's the first step, right? 1462 01:34:11.433 --> 01:34:11.533 Yeah. 1463 01:34:12.833 --> 01:34:15.995 I forget how they go, but those are the first couple parts anyway. 1464 01:34:16.575 --> 01:34:17.475 So, yeah. 1465 01:34:17.515 --> 01:34:18.976 So submission to a higher power. 1466 01:34:19.896 --> 01:34:34.202 I think when human beings, I think that we actually need submission to God the way you need like vitamin D and the way you need vitamin A and vitamin K. It's like if you're not submitting to God, then I think what you become is like an agent of chaos. 1467 01:34:35.299 --> 01:34:36.981 Now, the world might not see it as chaos. 1468 01:34:37.001 --> 01:34:40.025 The world might actually see you as going out and creating awesome things. 1469 01:34:40.966 --> 01:34:42.828 Like, imagine you're Madonna, okay? 1470 01:34:43.809 --> 01:34:48.675 Imagine you're Madonna and the world looks at you like, wow, you went out and created so many amazing things. 1471 01:34:49.496 --> 01:34:55.023 But if I zoom out, I look at her career, I'm like, okay, so you led all these girls to become like basically harlots. 1472 01:34:56.379 --> 01:35:04.225 you popularized the idea of female sexual empowerment in a way that actually destroyed the lives of so many girls. 1473 01:35:05.025 --> 01:35:07.467 You taught them to be material girls. 1474 01:35:07.487 --> 01:35:11.730 Like we live in a spiritual universe, but you're telling everyone that it's a material world. 1475 01:35:13.102 --> 01:35:13.322 right? 1476 01:35:13.802 --> 01:35:23.544 You named yourself basically after the Jesus's mom, Madonna, but actually everything you do is like really sacrilegious on purpose. 1477 01:35:23.764 --> 01:35:28.546 And have women become better from her work or worse? 1478 01:35:28.586 --> 01:35:31.526 Like if I zoom out, it's like, I think she did damage. 1479 01:35:31.706 --> 01:35:32.807 I'm not singling her out. 1480 01:35:32.827 --> 01:35:38.948 I mean, I could say this about a lot of male and female singers, but I'm just using an example because her

material world song always sticks out in my head. 1481 01:35:38.988 --> 01:35:41.469 It's like, when you think about that anthem 1482 01:35:43.870 --> 01:35:50.714 If you're a spiritual being in a material world and you get convinced that all there is is the material world, that's the trick they want you to buy into. 1483 01:35:51.075 --> 01:35:52.355 This is just a material world. 1484 01:35:52.376 --> 01:35:53.436 Do you know what I mean? 1485 01:35:53.656 --> 01:35:55.518 You're a material girl living in a material world. 1486 01:35:55.918 --> 01:36:01.122 Okay, so my point is like the whole world will look at you and be like, yeah, you succeeded. 1487 01:36:01.162 --> 01:36:01.702 You did it. 1488 01:36:01.882 --> 01:36:05.325 I have a feeling when she lays her head in her pillow at night, she's tortured, man. 1489 01:36:05.345 --> 01:36:05.445 Yeah. 1490 01:36:06.085 --> 01:36:06.886 and suffering. 1491 01:36:07.706 --> 01:36:17.214 And you see her out there right now at, I don't know what age she is, 60 or something, trying to still be a sexual icon with her face all pumped up with injections, right? 1492 01:36:17.234 --> 01:36:21.458 And her like looking like she has a diaper on, but grinding still on stage with people and stuff. 1493 01:36:21.478 --> 01:36:22.879 And it's like, it's sad, dude. 1494 01:36:22.899 --> 01:36:24.140 It just looks sad to me. 1495 01:36:24.320 --> 01:36:24.580 Right. 1496 01:36:25.441 --> 01:36:31.646 But it's like by the world standard, that's a success, but that's somebody who's basically been giving God the finger from the 1497 01:36:33.187 --> 01:36:34.128 per career, right? 1498 01:36:34.529 --> 01:36:35.690 And where does it lead you? 1499 01:36:37.551 --> 01:36:43.697 If you don't submit yourself to God, I think actually it will destroy your life over time. 1500 01:36:44.478 --> 01:36:46.660 You certainly won't do the work in the world that you 1501 01:36:49.411 --> 01:36:52.833 I really do want to honor what you were saying before, because you brought up Islam. 1502 01:36:53.033 --> 01:36:56.735 And I think, you know, it leads you to all these places like, man, well, like, what about them? 1503 01:36:56.915 --> 01:36:57.755 Are they just wrong? 1504 01:36:57.795 --> 01:36:58.715 Or like, what about the Buddhists? 1505 01:36:58.735 --> 01:36:59.456 Are they just wrong? 1506 01:36:59.516 --> 01:37:00.977 Or what about all these other religions? 1507 01:37:01.017 --> 01:37:11.842 Yeah, and all the different sects and, you know, nuances and the Shia and Sunni and all the different, you know, also in Christianity. 1508 01:37:11.942 --> 01:37:14.263 So I just want to like, 1509 01:37:15.615 --> 01:37:20.199 Because I think way before religion, God was present. 1510 01:37:20.239 --> 01:37:24.443 There's something that created all of this. 1511 01:37:25.584 --> 01:37:32.670 And something I recently picked up from Tony Robbins was that God created us in his image. 1512 01:37:34.131 --> 01:37:35.633 And if we don't create... 1513 01:37:36.567 --> 01:37:37.607 Because God is a creator. 1514 01:37:37.868 --> 01:37:40.249 And if we don't create, we will suffer. 1515 01:37:40.389 --> 01:37:45.511 And when we start to manage just the circumstances of our life, we will feel stressed. 1516 01:37:45.911 --> 01:37:46.811 We will not be happy. 1517 01:37:47.011 --> 01:37:54.635 But when we design our lives on purpose, we start to feel more joy. 1518 01:37:54.675 --> 01:37:57.936 We start to be more aligned with God's plan. 1519 01:37:58.036 --> 01:38:00.117 I'm totally butchering what he's saying. 1520 01:38:00.217 --> 01:38:01.498 But the point was… 1521 01:38:03.067 --> 01:38:08.160 God was a designer, we should, or God is a creator and we should also create. 1522 01:38:09.406 --> 01:38:10.667 All right, I can't speak to that. 1523 01:38:10.847 --> 01:38:11.768 I don't want to speak to that. 1524 01:38:11.968 --> 01:38:15.851 But I will say this piece about the image of God is very interesting. 1525 01:38:16.872 --> 01:38:24.498 Because if we're created in the image of God, what you see right now seems to be the focus of humanity is now we want to try to create something in our own image. 1526 01:38:24.778 --> 01:38:26.159 With AI and robotics. 1527 01:38:26.299 --> 01:38:30.042 AI and robotics and genetic engineering and all these things that we're doing, right? 1528 01:38:30.062 --> 01:38:32.664 So we're trying to now become creators. 1529 01:38:34.106 --> 01:38:36.828 The problem is we're profoundly spiritually sick. 1530 01:38:36.848 --> 01:38:37.048 Right. 1531 01:38:38.272 --> 01:38:39.072 God created us. 1532 01:38:39.112 --> 01:38:41.473 He wasn't profoundly spiritually sick. 1533 01:38:42.333 --> 01:38:43.673 So he creates something beautiful. 1534 01:38:43.694 --> 01:38:44.934 I mean, humans are amazing. 1535 01:38:45.454 --> 01:38:47.355 Consciousness is amazing. 1536 01:38:47.635 --> 01:38:51.856 And I was not talking about he's saying that we should start creating. 1537 01:38:52.496 --> 01:38:53.536 Oh, no, no, I don't. 1538 01:38:53.636 --> 01:38:54.717 I'm on the same page. 1539 01:38:54.757 --> 01:38:55.457 Toph is a great guy. 1540 01:38:56.057 --> 01:38:56.797 Yeah, I grew up. 1541 01:38:56.977 --> 01:38:58.858 I grew up like with him in my ear, man. 1542 01:38:58.938 --> 01:38:59.598 I love Tony Robbins. 1543 01:39:00.324 --> 01:39:02.245 Yeah, no, no, no, I'm not slighting Tony Robbins. 1544 01:39:02.665 --> 01:39:09.388 I'm just saying like, I don't know how to speak to his comment exactly, but I, and I'm not trying to say that's the kind of creating he's talking about. 1545 01:39:09.508 --> 01:39:09.829 All right. 1546 01:39:11.389 --> 01:39:17.112 But it does remind me that what we're doing is trying to create life in our own image. 1547 01:39:18.093 --> 01:39:20.674 But the problem is, so again, think about like, 1548 01:39:22.019 --> 01:39:24.982 Think about a person who just keeps having the same relational problem. 1549 01:39:25.322

--> 01:39:28.105 Every relationship they have fails for the same reasons. 1550 01:39:28.846 --> 01:39:29.066 Yeah. 1551 01:39:29.226 --> 01:39:30.628 And they're like, okay. 1552 01:39:30.908 --> 01:39:35.072 And then, you know, you get to a point where you just want to get out of the relationship you're in and start a new one. 1553 01:39:35.132 --> 01:39:40.557 Cause at least in the beginning, it feels good and it's starting to not feel good anymore because you're running up against your own problems. 1554 01:39:40.577 --> 01:39:41.138 Yeah. 1555 01:39:41.198 --> 01:39:42.539 And you get to a crossroads. 1556 01:39:42.579 --> 01:39:48.163 It's like, I either have to lean into, remember you were asking like, what's spirituality look like this part of it. 1557 01:39:48.643 --> 01:39:59.511 I either have to lean into this discomfort and actually work through these very difficult psychological and spiritual issues I have, or I can run away and start a new relationship and it'll feel fun again. 1558 01:40:00.271 --> 01:40:03.574 See, I think we have to be really careful about always chasing feelings. 1559 01:40:03.634 --> 01:40:04.735 That's one of those things. 1560 01:40:04.755 --> 01:40:07.597 Because the world will tell you, do what feels good. 1561 01:40:08.337 --> 01:40:10.297 That's kind of like the message of our time, man. 1562 01:40:10.337 --> 01:40:12.438 Like if it feels good, do it, right? 1563 01:40:12.458 --> 01:40:16.879 And it's like, it feels good sometimes to just go like leave your relationship and get another one. 1564 01:40:16.899 --> 01:40:21.859 That feels good for a little while and it leaves you morally bankrupt and your life destroyed. 1565 01:40:21.899 --> 01:40:23.200 It's not the way to do things. 1566 01:40:23.420 --> 01:40:31.121 Okay, so if you're going from relationship to relationship and you never face the problem, then you'll just keep creating bad relationships. 1567 01:40:31.301 --> 01:40:32.761 Do you agree with that fundamentally? 1568 01:40:32.801 --> 01:40:33.621 Like what I'm saying? 1569 01:40:33.641 --> 01:40:34.422 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1570 01:40:34.462 --> 01:40:36.002 For one, I've lived it. 1571 01:40:36.642 --> 01:40:38.526 Okay, me too. 1572 01:40:38.687 --> 01:40:38.987 Me too. 1573 01:40:39.188 --> 01:40:46.383 So if I am not well inside, but I create another life form, what am I going to create except something else that's corrupted? 1574 01:40:48.213 --> 01:40:57.856 We're not in a position to go to Mars and we're not in a position to create life because we're profoundly spiritually sick and you can know it by looking around and seeing what's going on in the world. 1575 01:40:59.057 --> 01:41:03.678 So we are like that person who keeps going from relationship to relationship because we're not. 1576 01:41:03.858 --> 01:41:08.000 If humans wanted to stop and be like, hey, okay, maybe we can go to Mars. 1577 01:41:08.120 --> 01:41:10.901 I don't know if we can or we can't, but maybe we can go to Mars.

1578 01:41:11.341 --> 01:41:14.002 But how about we figure out how to live here first? 1579 01:41:15.510 --> 01:41:19.614 But what, we're going to turn this place into a trash heap and then go to Mars? 1580 01:41:20.555 --> 01:41:21.556 Does that make any sense? 1581 01:41:21.576 --> 01:41:23.117 Like, this place is looking pretty bad. 1582 01:41:23.638 --> 01:41:25.439 We've decimated our ecosystems. 1583 01:41:25.780 --> 01:41:27.601 We've eaten down the whole food web. 1584 01:41:28.102 --> 01:41:29.744 We've polluted everything. 1585 01:41:29.764 --> 01:41:34.648 We're covering everything in glyphosate and spraying everything with toxic chemicals. 1586 01:41:35.729 --> 01:41:37.531 And we're doing it to ourselves, you know what I mean? 1587 01:41:37.551 --> 01:41:39.112 Like, everybody's on, like... 1588 01:41:39.813 --> 01:41:45.595 testosterone and peptides and injected face stuff and Botox and butt enhancements. 1589 01:41:45.635 --> 01:42:01.841 And, and it's like, we, we, we haven't even stopped to take care of ourselves, but we're going to create new life forms and we're going to let them have the world, like probably not the right idea or like, we're going to go to Mars and we're just not going to, but, but we'll, once we get to Mars, we'll figure out how to take care of Mars. 1590 01:42:01.881 --> 01:42:04.522 We just aren't going to figure out how to take care of our own home first. 1591 01:42:05.262 --> 01:42:06.743 This is not the right approach. 1592 01:42:06.843 --> 01:42:07.123 So I'm, 1593 01:42:08.453 --> 01:42:11.916 And again, see, I think, I can't believe I'm even here saying this stuff. 1594 01:42:11.936 --> 01:42:12.356 You know what I mean? 1595 01:42:12.376 --> 01:42:16.860 It's just like, makes me laugh from where I was, you know, a decade and a half ago. 1596 01:42:16.880 --> 01:42:22.125 But I don't think that until we submit ourselves, I don't think that we can create good things. 1597 01:42:22.765 --> 01:42:35.956 We might create things that aren't terrible, but I don't think we're going to create really good things because I don't think human beings in the form that we're in are capable when we are trying to be in charge of our own lives. 1598 01:42:37.096 --> 01:42:42.158 So we're like that employee that would be way better off to just be in submission to the boss. 1599 01:42:43.158 --> 01:42:44.519 That's like our relationship with God. 1600 01:42:44.839 --> 01:42:59.305 We're just way better off when we let him take the wheel and our lives become such a pleasure because we're filled with joy and innocence again, which so many of us have lost and now we think is like this dorky quality, but it's actually 1601 01:43:00.688 --> 01:43:07.954 Man, it's like, I'm trying to think of this Bible verse, but it's essentially says something like, I want you to be wise and, man, I wish I could quote it. 1602 01:43:07.974 --> 01:43:08.755 Something I'll paraphrase. 1603 01:43:08.775 --> 01:43:13.459 It's something like wise

in spiritual ways, but like innocent in the ways of evil. 1604 01:43:15.200 --> 01:43:15.320 Right? 1605 01:43:15.340 --> 01:43:17.262 Because we're all getting real wise in the ways of evil. 1606 01:43:17.402 --> 01:43:19.124 It's like we need to be innocent again. 1607 01:43:19.524 --> 01:43:22.506 So I love that idea of being innocent and wise. 1608 01:43:23.751 --> 01:43:29.276 clear and executing goodness and submission to God versus being like, that's all bullshit. 1609 01:43:29.637 --> 01:43:30.858 I'm going to run my own life. 1610 01:43:31.058 --> 01:43:37.925 And before you know it, you're creating chaos and you're just one more agent of chaos in 8 billion people creating chaos. 1611 01:43:38.325 --> 01:43:40.407 And the world is like in total disarray. 1612 01:43:40.667 --> 01:43:45.112 I mean, I don't know how anyone could look at our world right now and not be like, it's in total disarray. 1613 01:43:46.012 --> 01:43:46.333 It's like, 1614 01:43:47.641 --> 01:43:55.490 If aliens are showing up, it's like your parents coming home and you've just had like a huge party in the house is trashed. 1615 01:43:55.550 --> 01:43:55.771 Right. 1616 01:43:55.791 --> 01:43:56.952 Like that's you know what I mean? 1617 01:43:56.972 --> 01:44:03.260 Like that's kind of like the situation or if like, you know, if Christ returns to this world, it's like, man, what have you guys done? 1618 01:44:04.563 --> 01:44:14.666 And I always bring up that metaphor of Fantasia with Mickey Mouse, where he's using Merlin's magic, trying to make the world around him better, but he's making it worse. 1619 01:44:14.686 --> 01:44:19.068 And every time he uses a new bit of magic, it adds a whole nother layer of chaos. 1620 01:44:19.388 --> 01:44:26.330 And he tries to solve that and that becomes more chaotic and he can't get out until he submits himself back to Merlin and gives the magic back. 1621 01:44:26.370 --> 01:44:28.151 He can't actually stop the chaos. 1622 01:44:28.191 --> 01:44:29.451 He can only make more. 1623 01:44:30.192 --> 01:44:33.233 I think that's what people who haven't submitted themselves to God are like. 1624 01:44:34.113 --> 01:44:42.155 I mean, I know this, like I'm saying things that are just like so unpopular, but I, at this point in my life, I don't care because I'm living it and I feel it. 1625 01:44:42.175 --> 01:44:47.276 And so earlier you were asking me, like, how do I, like, how does it, how do you pray? 1626 01:44:47.296 --> 01:44:48.957 How do I know my relationship with Jesus? 1627 01:44:48.977 --> 01:44:50.137 I think you were asking me about that. 1628 01:44:50.177 --> 01:45:01.139 It's like, I know because I mean, I'm living it and I'm experiencing that every time I give up the things that I think I could control better than trusting God, I make more chaos. 1629 01:45:03.760 --> 01:45:06.221 I find that it's not just like it works out better. 1630 01:45:06.241 --> 01:45:08.242 It's that it's like walking in magic. 1631 01:45:08.743 --> 01:45:10.364 Like everywhere I go, the door is open. 1632 01:45:10.384 --> 01:45:11.284 The right people are there. 1633 01:45:11.304 --> 01:45:12.665 The right circumstances happen. 1634 01:45:12.685 --> 01:45:16.707 The money comes in, whatever it is, like all the things are just aligning for me. 1635 01:45:17.307 --> 01:45:18.308 Like I'm in the groove. 1636 01:45:18.948 --> 01:45:23.612 But then when I try to take the wheel again, now it's like I'm back in the bumpy, out of control trail. 1637 01:45:23.652 --> 01:45:24.753 I'm crashing into things. 1638 01:45:24.793 --> 01:45:25.414 I'm creating chaos. 1639 01:45:25.454 --> 01:45:27.395 I'm hurting people, not meaning to. 1640 01:45:27.435 --> 01:45:28.316 I'm hurting myself. 1641 01:45:28.796 --> 01:45:29.497 Does that make sense? 1642 01:45:29.957 --> 01:45:32.179 So I'm just trying to stay in that slick groove. 1643 01:45:32.640 --> 01:45:37.764 And I don't know that you can be there without a little bit of submission to your higher power. 1644 01:45:38.124 --> 01:45:39.846 Even if you're like, I don't know about this whole Jesus thing. 1645 01:45:40.026 --> 01:45:40.887 It's like, that's cool. 1646 01:45:41.747 --> 01:45:42.688 I love that about AA. 1647 01:45:42.728 --> 01:45:45.631 It's like, well, let's start with like, is there a higher power? 1648 01:45:45.671 --> 01:45:47.172 And if so, can you submit yourself to it? 1649 01:45:48.276 --> 01:45:48.877 Definitely. 1650 01:45:49.557 --> 01:45:54.001 So, yeah, I'm really getting curious about exploring that further. 1651 01:45:54.021 --> 01:45:58.225 But I feel that I'm always exploring it. 1652 01:45:58.626 --> 01:46:13.619 I'm always listening to spiritual, not always, but often I've done that, listen to spirituality podcasts about Christianity, about Islam, Buddhism, Christianity, not so much Judaism. 1653 01:46:14.552 --> 01:46:19.014 But there are things that I question, of course. 1654 01:46:19.234 --> 01:46:24.275 And I heard one guy say that he was a Christian. 1655 01:46:24.415 --> 01:46:28.477 No, he was a Christian, but he was questioning all the time. 1656 01:46:29.378 --> 01:46:33.661 But I still find myself at church. 1657 01:46:33.802 --> 01:46:34.562 I still pray. 1658 01:46:34.682 --> 01:46:38.906 I still do all of these things, even though I question it. 1659 01:46:39.266 --> 01:46:42.649 And what is your type? 1660 01:46:42.869 --> 01:46:44.871 Can I call it a type of Christianity? 1661 01:46:45.111 --> 01:46:46.732 What's your relationship to God? 1662 01:46:47.973 --> 01:46:49.795 Why do you call yourself a Christian? 1663 01:46:50.495 --> 01:46:50.715 Yeah. 1664 01:46:50.956 --> 01:46:54.338 Well, like I said, I hate to call myself a Christian because I don't even know what that means. 1665 01:46:54.358 --> 01:46:56.380 There's a lot of different types of it. 1666 01:46:56.400 --> 01:46:58.662 So why don't you stop calling yourself a Christian? 1667 01:46:59.723 --> 01:47:02.064 No, because people

understand immediately who I'm talking about. 1668 01:47:02.305 --> 01:47:06.887 And it means a little Christ and I do believe in Christ. 1669 01:47:06.927 --> 01:47:09.489 And so, okay, so you're asking me like- I believe in Christ. 1670 01:47:09.989 --> 01:47:10.169 Yeah. 1671 01:47:10.389 --> 01:47:14.952 I believe in Christ is who he claimed to be when he came to earth. 1672 01:47:15.733 --> 01:47:17.173 And I believe the work he did here. 1673 01:47:17.313 --> 01:47:18.074 So maybe that's it. 1674 01:47:18.234 --> 01:47:18.454 Okay. 1675 01:47:18.474 --> 01:47:24.117 So like, yeah, like if I was going to be part of any denomination of a church or Catholicism or whatever. 1676 01:47:25.138 --> 01:47:28.321 Orthodoxy, there's all those dogmas that you're supposed to accept, right? 1677 01:47:28.642 --> 01:47:31.004 Like they all have like a written dogma thing. 1678 01:47:31.024 --> 01:47:33.206 So like defining what their beliefs are exactly. 1679 01:47:33.407 --> 01:47:38.572 To me, that's, I understand why they do it, but I think that that's getting into dangerous territory. 1680 01:47:38.972 --> 01:47:41.515 It's like, as if I'm going to define God myself, you know? 1681 01:47:42.276 --> 01:47:42.436 So. 1682 01:47:43.677 --> 01:47:54.394 I have like kind of my own, I don't, I'm not trying to say, okay, if I say I have my own unique flavor of it, I don't want people to think like, I think I'm like starting my own sect or my own cult of it or something like that. 1683 01:47:54.414 --> 01:47:56.016 Or I'm trying to get people to believe what I believe. 1684 01:47:56.237 --> 01:47:56.818 I'll join it. 1685 01:47:59.663 --> 01:48:26.083 careful yeah but uh real wild christianity that's good i mean that's kind of how i see it though that is kind of how i see it like a kind of wild christianity yeah i mean think about jesus like as a wild man i mean and and his i love his cousin you know like look at his cousin john the baptist i mean this dude's wild he's in a he's in a camel skin robe in the in the wilderness of the desert baptizing people living off locust and honey wild honey yeah he's a wild man but 1686 01:48:26.243 --> 01:48:30.464 I think it's also very funny, like in Christianity today, like the idea of- Wasn't Jesus a rebel as well? 1687 01:48:30.884 --> 01:48:31.524 Would you say that? 1688 01:48:32.064 --> 01:48:32.844 Would you call him a rebel? 1689 01:48:32.864 --> 01:48:33.644 Yeah, I would say that. 1690 01:48:33.664 --> 01:48:35.965 I mean, he went into the temple and flipped the tables over. 1691 01:48:36.125 --> 01:48:40.326 So isn't he like much more wilder than we are portraying him as? 1692 01:48:40.886 --> 01:48:41.086 Yeah. 1693 01:48:41.246 --> 01:48:42.306 And more jacked too. 1694 01:48:42.706 --> 01:48:43.686 More jacked as well. 1695 01:48:43.806 --> 01:48:44.126 Yeah. 1696 01:48:44.247 --> 01:48:44.787 Yeah. 1697 01:48:44.807 --> 01:48:46.807 That's one of the cool things about the Shroud of Turin. 1698 01:48:46.827 --> 01:48:48.047 You're like, you see his whole body. 1699 01:48:48.067 --> 01:48:49.227 You're like, oh, yeah, nice. 1700 01:48:49.247 --> 01:48:49.968 He's in good shape. 1701 01:48:50.048 --> 01:48:51.268 A lot of walking, you know? 1702 01:48:51.648 --> 01:48:51.788 Mm-hmm. 1703 01:48:53.126 --> 01:48:55.306 Living outside too, you know, a lot as well. 1704 01:48:55.826 --> 01:48:57.247 Yeah, yes, I do think that. 1705 01:48:57.347 --> 01:49:00.227 But I don't really align myself with any particular church. 1706 01:49:00.307 --> 01:49:01.828 I'll go to all different types of churches. 1707 01:49:02.028 --> 01:49:03.428 Because here's another thing. 1708 01:49:03.448 --> 01:49:06.068 You know, I said sort of submission to God is like a vitamin or something. 1709 01:49:06.108 --> 01:49:07.028 It's like a nutrient. 1710 01:49:07.829 --> 01:49:09.969 Okay, so where that leads to is worship. 1711 01:49:11.109 --> 01:49:13.230 And this is the part, this is really what I mean. 1712 01:49:13.270 --> 01:49:16.410 This is even like weirder for people who haven't ever thought about this. 1713 01:49:16.450 --> 01:49:21.111 But like, because we still worship, but we don't realize we're worshiping what we're worshiping. 1714 01:49:22.468 --> 01:49:33.831 You know, think about who, okay, all of the ancient cultures looked at the night sky and they named the constellations after different gods and goddesses. 1715 01:49:34.231 --> 01:49:38.932 And there was no light pollution, so they saw the sky every single night that there wasn't clouds. 1716 01:49:39.152 --> 01:49:42.593 And they knew the sky very intimately because they didn't have TV. 1717 01:49:43.838 --> 01:49:44.659 Our books, right? 1718 01:49:44.699 --> 01:49:47.121 So it was like sitting around the fire telling story and looking at the sky. 1719 01:49:47.301 --> 01:49:48.602 We've blotted out the sky. 1720 01:49:48.802 --> 01:49:50.303 By the way, that happens in the Matrix, right? 1721 01:49:50.543 --> 01:49:51.964 We've completely blotted out the sky. 1722 01:49:52.204 --> 01:49:52.485 Yes. 1723 01:49:53.625 --> 01:49:56.447 And now what we call the stars are all the people in Hollywood. 1724 01:49:56.467 --> 01:49:57.889 I mean, we literally call them stars. 1725 01:49:57.929 --> 01:49:59.109 And if you think about... 1726 01:50:00.227 --> 01:50:07.770 all of these star constellations that were the gods, we would spend all our time talking about the stories of this God did this and this God did that. 1727 01:50:07.790 --> 01:50:09.770 And this one slept with that one and this one killed this one. 1728 01:50:09.790 --> 01:50:10.831 And this one had kids with that one. 1729 01:50:11.711 --> 01:50:15.893 And now we do that, you know, in our tabloids about these stars, right? 1730 01:50:15.913 --> 01:50:21.955 We've, we've taken the heavenly stars and turned them into people and we still are doing star worship. 1731 01:50:21.975 --> 01:50:22.075 Yeah. 1732 01:50:22.775 --> 01:50:23.676

It's crazy, man. 1733 01:50:23.876 --> 01:50:32.763 You know, when you see 30,000 people in an arena screaming and crying for a person who's on stage, like that's worship, right? 1734 01:50:32.783 --> 01:50:41.229 One of the things I like about church, there's a lot of things I don't like about modern churches, but one of the things I like about churches is I get, every time I go, I get to see live music, you know, it's great. 1735 01:50:41.450 --> 01:50:44.072 And we worship God, you know? 1736 01:50:44.812 --> 01:50:48.735 And you realize like, oh, this is, first of all, it's hard at first for me anyway. 1737 01:50:48.956 --> 01:50:49.976 It's a little weird at first. 1738 01:50:51.366 --> 01:50:56.149 But then you start realizing, why does this feel so good when I worship God? 1739 01:50:57.050 --> 01:51:00.272 It's like the most liberating, freeing feeling. 1740 01:51:01.833 --> 01:51:04.695 I think we actually are designed to worship. 1741 01:51:05.635 --> 01:51:15.462 In this form, in this body, in this construct we're in, in this simulation we're in, we are here and part of what we need for our health, our mental and spiritual health is 1742 01:51:16.725 --> 01:51:19.387 is to have a higher power that we worship. 1743 01:51:20.148 --> 01:51:22.350 So wherever you go in the world, people are worshiping. 1744 01:51:22.690 --> 01:51:23.911 And they always have been. 1745 01:51:24.612 --> 01:51:27.334 And that's why the whole ancient world is covered in temples. 1746 01:51:27.354 --> 01:51:28.835 Because people were worshiping. 1747 01:51:29.176 --> 01:51:34.360 Most of those beings they were worshiping required some pretty serious sacrifice too, you know? 1748 01:51:34.760 --> 01:51:36.942 It's really interesting stuff when you examine it. 1749 01:51:36.962 --> 01:51:41.126 I'm going to interview a guy tomorrow who wrote a book called Child Sacrifice in Ancient Israel. 1750 01:51:41.646 --> 01:51:43.447 God damn tune in folks. 1751 01:51:44.148 --> 01:51:49.211 It's heavy stuff, you know, the stuff is pretty wild, but we're still worshiping, you know? 1752 01:51:50.112 --> 01:51:52.833 So I think I like to gather together with people to worship. 1753 01:51:52.954 --> 01:51:53.974 That's part of what I do now. 1754 01:51:54.134 --> 01:51:57.336 I, I go to a couple of different churches, but I don't consider myself, uh, 1755 01:51:58.237 --> 01:52:04.601 I don't church the word church as it's used in the new Testament and the way Jesus uses it is the ecclesia. 1756 01:52:04.941 --> 01:52:05.542 That's the Greek. 1757 01:52:06.062 --> 01:52:07.723 And it means a group of people. 1758 01:52:08.203 --> 01:52:09.965 It doesn't mean a building with a steeple. 1759 01:52:10.245 --> 01:52:11.345 Like that's not the church. 1760 01:52:11.406 --> 01:52:12.606 The church are the people. 1761 01:52:13.367 --> 01:52:16.549 The other thing is that the believers are called saints. 1762 01:52:16.749 --> 01:52:18.990 Now in our world, it's all been corrupted.

1763 01:52:19.030 --> 01:52:21.652 So a saint is this, you know, you know what a saint is, right? 1764 01:52:21.672 --> 01:52:22.172 Yeah. 1765 01:52:22.272 --> 01:52:22.513 Yeah. 1766 01:52:24.674 --> 01:52:25.395 Correct. 1767 01:52:25.815 --> 01:52:27.156 That's a whole new idea. 1768 01:52:27.236 --> 01:52:29.318 The original idea was that I'm a saint. 1769 01:52:29.578 --> 01:52:31.320 If you're a believer in Christ, you're a saint. 1770 01:52:31.920 --> 01:52:32.841 That's what a saint is. 1771 01:52:33.462 --> 01:52:37.745 So the saints make up the ecclesia, which is the church. 1772 01:52:38.446 --> 01:52:43.290 Now it's been turned into saints are these people you'll never be one and the church is this building you go to. 1773 01:52:43.410 --> 01:52:46.013 That's not the original belief, right? 1774 01:52:46.193 --> 01:52:48.175 So I really try to keep that in mind when I 1775 01:52:48.735 --> 01:52:49.236 go to churches. 1776 01:52:49.436 --> 01:52:51.258 One of the things I love about going to churches. 1777 01:52:51.699 --> 01:52:56.104 Oh, the other thing I don't like is that it's become like a public speaking kind of festival thing. 1778 01:52:56.124 --> 01:52:59.028 It's like, go see a guy, public speak, see a woman, public speak. 1779 01:52:59.068 --> 01:53:01.251 And then, you know, go through all the motions or whatever. 1780 01:53:01.351 --> 01:53:01.632 I just, 1781 01:53:02.842 --> 01:53:08.366 And a lot of them, you nowadays, especially the mega churches, it's like smoke machines and big screens everywhere. 1782 01:53:08.466 --> 01:53:11.168 Follow us on Facebook, donate through the QR code. 1783 01:53:11.188 --> 01:53:14.430 It's just like, you know, I don't, I don't vibe with any of that, you know? 1784 01:53:14.570 --> 01:53:14.811 Yeah. 1785 01:53:15.651 --> 01:53:18.213 But, but I do like to gather together with people to worship. 1786 01:53:18.253 --> 01:53:24.698 So for instance, today is Wednesday on Saturday, I'm going over my friend's house and he once a month. 1787 01:53:25.218 --> 01:53:26.258 They got a big family, man. 1788 01:53:26.278 --> 01:53:27.639 They just had their sixth kid. 1789 01:53:27.699 --> 01:53:28.780 So cool. 1790 01:53:29.220 --> 01:53:31.541 They have people over every once a month. 1791 01:53:31.681 --> 01:53:34.202 And we'll go over there and we all sing acapella songs together. 1792 01:53:34.662 --> 01:53:35.222 Worship songs. 1793 01:53:35.783 --> 01:53:36.983 We have a big meal. 1794 01:53:37.123 --> 01:53:38.024 We all gather together. 1795 01:53:38.084 --> 01:53:38.504 We talk. 1796 01:53:38.524 --> 01:53:39.744 We hang out for a few hours. 1797 01:53:39.764 --> 01:53:41.245 The kids and the parents and everybody. 1798 01:53:41.665 --> 01:53:42.786 And then we all go down to the basement. 1799 01:53:42.846 --> 01:53:43.806 All the kids, all the parents. 1800 01:53:44.306 --> 01:53:45.187 And we sing songs. 1801 01:53:45.987 --> 01:53:48.650 maybe six, seven different songs that are worship songs together. 1802 01:53:49.210 --> 01:53:52.833 And it's like a really unusual thing to do, you know, in our modern world. 1803 01:53:53.474 --> 01:53:54.735 And there's no instruments or anything. 1804 01:53:54.775 --> 01:53:55.996 We just straight singing, dude. 1805 01:53:56.477 --> 01:53:58.679 It is so nourishing to my soul. 1806 01:53:59.179 --> 01:54:03.884 And it's as nourishing to my soul as doing maybe even more so than doing it in a church building. 1807 01:54:03.924 --> 01:54:05.685 So I just don't care about the building part. 1808 01:54:06.106 --> 01:54:07.347 The scriptures mean a lot to me. 1809 01:54:08.871 --> 01:54:12.397 but I know that there was saints before there was any of these books written down. 1810 01:54:13.479 --> 01:54:18.728 So I think really what's the most important thing is, are you in a personal relationship with your higher power or not? 1811 01:54:18.808 --> 01:54:19.109 You know? 1812 01:54:19.329 --> 01:54:19.710 And, uh, 1813 01:54:21.138 --> 01:54:22.878 Is your life producing fruits? 1814 01:54:23.539 --> 01:54:27.239 And by the way, in the Christian faith, there's this idea of the fruits of the spirit. 1815 01:54:27.279 --> 01:54:28.140 They go like this, man. 1816 01:54:28.160 --> 01:54:30.300 And this is a hard lesson right here for me. 1817 01:54:30.700 --> 01:54:32.901 It goes, these are the fruits of the spirit. 1818 01:54:33.021 --> 01:54:41.063 Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. 1819 01:54:41.263 --> 01:54:44.123 That stuff sounds like hallmarky and easy to do. 1820 01:54:44.143 --> 01:54:45.344 It's like, go try living it. 1821 01:54:45.544 --> 01:54:46.264 Because man, absolutely. 1822 01:54:46.544 --> 01:54:47.586 all day, every day. 1823 01:54:47.866 --> 01:54:54.334 I'm like, it's just made it so obvious to me that all that new age belief that like, I'm God, you're God, we're all God. 1824 01:54:54.354 --> 01:54:55.175 It's like, really? 1825 01:54:55.295 --> 01:54:59.701 Cause I can't even like execute these simple nine things of just being basically being nice. 1826 01:55:00.301 --> 01:55:00.442 Hmm. 1827 01:55:01.221 --> 01:55:03.242 It's like a nonstop work for me. 1828 01:55:03.262 --> 01:55:10.685 And it's like, if I'm God, why can't I just be kinder and gentler and have more self-control? 1829 01:55:10.745 --> 01:55:18.848 The other day I was giving a workshop and I asked the group of people, I go, hey, put your hand up if you feel like you have total control over your cell phone usage. 1830 01:55:20.472 --> 01:55:21.913 No hands up. 1831 01:55:22.653 --> 01:55:23.774 Everyone laughed, man. 1832 01:55:23.854 --> 01:55:24.594 Everyone laughed. 1833 01:55:24.734 --> 01:55:26.315 Kind of an uncomfortable laugh. 1834 01:55:26.755 --> 01:55:27.135 Yeah, yeah. 1835 01:55:27.195 --> 01:55:30.537 That was like, yeah, we're all like self-control. 1836 01:55:30.737 --> 01:55:31.778 How is it this hard? 1837 01:55:31.838 -->

01:55:32.398 You know what I mean? 1838 01:55:32.878 --> 01:55:35.199 But it's very hard, especially in this environment we're in. 1839 01:55:35.239 --> 01:55:42.563 So anyway, so fruits of the spirit and submission to your higher power, those things should be pretty simple and pretty universal. 1840 01:55:42.623 --> 01:55:43.423 Why are they so? 1841 01:55:43.663 --> 01:55:44.344 Why aren't they? 1842 01:55:44.664 --> 01:55:46.625 You know, like, does anybody disagree? 1843 01:55:46.645 --> 01:55:46.745 Yeah. 1844 01:55:47.605 --> 01:55:51.576 You know, like that those aren't good things, like maybe warlords or something. 1845 01:55:51.596 --> 01:55:54.083 But I think most of us can go like, hey, that's good stuff. 1846 01:55:54.123 --> 01:55:55.446 Like I could use a little more of that. 1847 01:55:57.037 --> 01:55:57.838 but it's not easy to do. 1848 01:55:57.898 --> 01:56:03.541 So, so anyway, my relationship with Christ is a, is one of like one. 1849 01:56:03.581 --> 01:56:04.682 It's like a best friend. 1850 01:56:04.902 --> 01:56:15.669 Second though, there's, this is going to sound weird to people, but it's, there's almost like a romantic love quality to it because the ecclesia, the church is described as his bride and he's the bridegroom. 1851 01:56:16.430 --> 01:56:23.235 And the whole idea is we're in this like engagement period waiting for the bridegroom to come so we can go into the wedding feast. 1852 01:56:23.255 --> 01:56:23.355 And, 1853 01:56:24.115 --> 01:56:29.617 And a lot of what's been turned into hell in the Bible, like when people like talk about hell, a lot of it is just what's called out. 1854 01:56:29.657 --> 01:56:32.378 Jesus is always saying that there'll be those who are in outer darkness. 1855 01:56:33.438 --> 01:56:35.519 In other words, they're not in the wedding feast. 1856 01:56:35.839 --> 01:56:38.940 They're not invited in because they didn't want to ever. 1857 01:56:40.000 --> 01:56:40.881 They didn't want to marry him. 1858 01:56:42.301 --> 01:56:44.282 So it's not like he's rejecting them. 1859 01:56:45.916 --> 01:56:47.157 people are rejecting him. 1860 01:56:47.597 --> 01:56:52.079 That's an important component here because a lot of people like, oh, angry God, he's mad all the time. 1861 01:56:52.099 --> 01:56:52.639 Like, what is this? 1862 01:56:52.939 --> 01:56:54.400 It's like, no, no, no, you have it backwards. 1863 01:56:55.360 --> 01:56:57.041 There's this great line in Revelation. 1864 01:56:57.061 --> 01:56:59.082 He says, this is, you know, red letters. 1865 01:56:59.122 --> 01:56:59.923 So this is Jesus. 1866 01:57:00.643 --> 01:57:03.284 He says, behold, I stand at the door and knock. 1867 01:57:03.964 --> 01:57:06.946 If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I'll come into him. 1868 01:57:08.327 --> 01:57:13.289 And it's like, he's just like knocking on the door and everyone hears it. 1869 01:57:14.476 --> 01:57:17.319 They just don't want to open the door because they're afraid. 1870 01:57:17.339 --> 01:57:20.943 Well, if I open the door, is that going to mean I'm not going to be cool anymore? 1871 01:57:20.983 --> 01:57:24.707 Am I going to, am I going to have to like give up all the things that I like? 1872 01:57:24.748 --> 01:57:28.772 Am I going to have to, you know, become like do the straight and narrow? 1873 01:57:28.832 --> 01:57:29.893 Am I going to, you know what I mean? 1874 01:57:29.913 --> 01:57:33.898 They're like afraid, like they're going to have to give up something or lose something. 1875 01:57:34.478 --> 01:57:35.920 I think that's really what's going on. 1876 01:57:36.240 --> 01:57:37.161 There was a great movie. 1877 01:57:37.201 --> 01:57:38.902 I think it was the movie Waking Life. 1878 01:57:39.122 --> 01:57:40.143 Yeah, it was Waking Life. 1879 01:57:40.163 --> 01:57:42.165 I don't know if you ever saw that indie film back in the day. 1880 01:57:42.185 --> 01:57:45.268 It was a really cool movie where it was like all about dreams and it was about a 1881 01:57:46.517 --> 01:57:47.178 lucid dreaming. 1882 01:57:47.198 --> 01:57:50.820 And the whole movie is cool because they had real actors, but then all the frames are painted over. 1883 01:57:51.361 --> 01:57:53.322 So it's like, it's a moving painting. 1884 01:57:53.342 --> 01:57:55.423 It's a very cool wild film. 1885 01:57:55.964 --> 01:58:02.869 But at the end, there's this part where they basically say that, that all of, again, I'll paraphrase, but something like all of life is an illusion. 1886 01:58:02.909 --> 01:58:09.514 And the only thing that exists is one moment where God's got his hand out to you saying like, Hey, you know, take my hand. 1887 01:58:09.554 --> 01:58:11.615 And it's us going like, no, I'm not ready. 1888 01:58:11.635 --> 01:58:12.596 I'm not ready for that. 1889 01:58:13.505 --> 01:58:15.967 And I do think that that's kind of what's going on. 1890 01:58:15.987 --> 01:58:20.752 And when you look at people, and I'm not talking about because someone claims to be part of a religion. 1891 01:58:20.792 --> 01:58:31.521 I'm saying when you meet people who genuinely have taken his hand, those are the happiest people, the most peaceful people, the kindest people, people willing to help you, people who are willing to serve. 1892 01:58:31.842 --> 01:58:35.725 They're those people that's like, you call them at 2 a.m. and you're like, man, I have a problem. 1893 01:58:35.745 --> 01:58:37.267 And they come and help you. 1894 01:58:38.314 --> 01:58:46.436 You know, because you've got like a lot of friends and then you need something and you realize you don't have as many friends as you thought because people aren't committed to something higher, you know. 1895 01:58:46.556 --> 01:58:48.277 So anyway, I don't know. 1896 01:58:48.377 --> 01:58:52.058 I know I'm not helping give you a definition of what my spiritual path is. 1897 01:58:52.098 --> 01:58:59.780 The last thing you're mentioning here, you know, people taking the hand of God or

Christ or converting, getting baptized. 1898 01:59:00.500 --> 01:59:02.262 And you see this shift in them. 1899 01:59:02.302 --> 01:59:03.864 And I want to share this story. 1900 01:59:03.944 --> 01:59:06.868 And I'm not going to out his name here because he's a private person. 1901 01:59:06.908 --> 01:59:09.170 But he's really close to me and the family. 1902 01:59:09.431 --> 01:59:13.055 And I just started seeing something different in him. 1903 01:59:13.455 --> 01:59:16.279 He usually wasn't that happy. 1904 01:59:16.379 --> 01:59:18.101 He didn't have that calm demeanor. 1905 01:59:18.121 --> 01:59:19.462 It's like that... 1906 01:59:20.143 --> 01:59:21.704 This guy, he looks fresher. 1907 01:59:21.824 --> 01:59:23.045 He looks happier. 1908 01:59:23.085 --> 01:59:24.386 He looks more content. 1909 01:59:24.806 --> 01:59:26.367 So I asked him about it. 1910 01:59:26.887 --> 01:59:30.610 And he didn't know anything about my spiritual beliefs. 1911 01:59:30.810 --> 01:59:31.450 So he wasn't. 1912 01:59:31.570 --> 01:59:34.872 And here in Sweden, you don't talk about you're Christian. 1913 01:59:34.952 --> 01:59:36.533 It's really taboo. 1914 01:59:36.573 --> 01:59:39.175 They look at you like you're woo-woo. 1915 01:59:39.475 --> 01:59:43.358 It's really, you're basically crazy if you say that you're Christian here. 1916 01:59:44.058 --> 01:59:45.799 And if you're a Muslim, you're an Arab. 1917 01:59:45.819 --> 01:59:47.661 You're like an immigrant. 1918 01:59:49.582 --> 01:59:53.125 So I asked him, like, have you done anything lately? 1919 01:59:53.145 --> 01:59:54.626 He was like, no, nothing. 1920 01:59:54.886 --> 01:59:55.987 Just drinking beer. 1921 01:59:56.448 --> 01:59:57.128 Yeah, of course. 1922 01:59:57.208 --> 01:59:58.129 I started working out. 1923 01:59:58.309 --> 02:00:00.331 I was like, okay, it's probably that he started working out. 1924 02:00:00.871 --> 02:00:05.715 But then I asked him again a week later because like, has something happened? 1925 02:00:06.155 --> 02:00:07.556 And then he finally cracked it. 1926 02:00:07.576 --> 02:00:07.916 He was like... 1927 02:00:08.953 --> 02:00:14.434 man, I don't know if you believe in God and stuff, but I'm a Christian and I got baptized. 1928 02:00:15.095 --> 02:00:17.855 And I was like, brother, bring it in. 1929 02:00:17.895 --> 02:00:19.036 Give me a hand. 1930 02:00:19.476 --> 02:00:23.437 I just become so happy when somebody finds God. 1931 02:00:23.537 --> 02:00:28.158 I don't care if you, like going from an atheist into Christian, 1932 02:00:28.398 --> 02:00:42.004 Believing in something just brings so much joy for me because I could see what it meant for him, what it gave him, and what it eventually will give to his family, his two kids, and his wife, and the community around him. 1933 02:00:42.164 --> 02:00:48.586 So it has just been a beautiful year, and he's really into it still, studying. 1934 02:00:49.227 --> 02:00:52.048 I see him reading books about Christianity and

stuff like that. 1935 02:00:52.368 --> 02:00:56.189 And I want to segue into how did you convert? 1936 02:00:56.349 --> 02:00:59.370 How was your conversion look like? 1937 02:00:59.390 --> 02:01:08.012 Because for the people listening and also for me, what do you mean like reaching out your hand to Christ and accepting the invitation? 1938 02:01:08.112 --> 02:01:09.332 Who's knocking on the door? 1939 02:01:09.512 --> 02:01:11.052 Is this a hallucination? 1940 02:01:11.433 --> 02:01:13.393 Like, I have no idea. 1941 02:01:14.233 --> 02:01:14.473 Yeah. 1942 02:01:14.673 --> 02:01:17.394 Well, we're talking about ineffable things and they don't, 1943 02:01:18.984 --> 02:01:25.788 It's challenging because I think everybody hearing it knows what we mean, but it can't really be clearly defined, right? 1944 02:01:25.808 --> 02:01:27.069 I can't show you that hand. 1945 02:01:27.109 --> 02:01:30.691 I can't make you hear audibly the actual knock on the door, right? 1946 02:01:31.051 --> 02:01:36.174 But like people hearing, I will point out, if you're sitting here listening to this right now, this is him knocking on your door. 1947 02:01:36.274 --> 02:01:37.955 I mean, it's come to you again. 1948 02:01:38.476 --> 02:01:40.477 It comes to you again and again and again and again. 1949 02:01:41.057 --> 02:01:45.300 opportunities keep coming to you, you know, but I, so I, a little backstory. 1950 02:01:45.861 --> 02:01:57.530 My, I grew up with a mom who is a believer, but not in, she's like me, very atypical because she had all of the classic abductee experiences. 1951 02:01:58.953 --> 02:02:05.398 So my mom is a classic, you know, she's part of that alien abductee phenomenon. 1952 02:02:06.959 --> 02:02:09.981 And she was also abused pretty heavily as a child. 1953 02:02:10.401 --> 02:02:12.362 And so she had me when she was very young. 1954 02:02:12.583 --> 02:02:17.246 And the only anchor in her life really was probably was the Bible and was Christ. 1955 02:02:17.866 --> 02:02:20.888 But in her reading of it was like mine. 1956 02:02:21.048 --> 02:02:26.612 See, when I read about these angelic beings coming down and I read about like these demons, like... 1957 02:02:27.893 --> 02:02:38.709 I'm reading about interdimensional non-human intelligences, not like, you know, tall white Nordic guys with wings and evil twisted goat men with red horns. 1958 02:02:38.749 --> 02:02:38.909 Like, 1959 02:02:40.087 --> 02:02:43.270 that's medieval art put on it. 1960 02:02:43.430 --> 02:02:50.876 Now we have a more sophisticated view and we are talking publicly about interdimensional, non-human intelligences. 1961 02:02:50.936 --> 02:02:54.439 That's, you know, so she raised me with this idea of like a cosmic battle. 1962 02:02:54.679 --> 02:02:58.663 And she told me that the world was gonna change dramatically and that these events were gonna start playing out. 1963 02:02:58.703 --> 02:02:59.904 So I grew up with that stuff. 1964 02:03:01.078 --> 02:03:03.239 like

freaky, far out Christianity. 1965 02:03:03.419 --> 02:03:05.479 But I also had a very short stint. 1966 02:03:05.719 --> 02:03:13.601 So my public, my education is pretty truncated, but I was in a Christian school from kindergarten until fourth grade, two different schools. 1967 02:03:13.821 --> 02:03:20.202 So I got really inculcated in Bible, but I also grew, that was like really straight laced American evangelical baptism. 1968 02:03:20.443 --> 02:03:23.023 I mean, Baptist Christianity in theology. 1969 02:03:23.063 --> 02:03:26.024 So I didn't like any of that and I really rejected it, you know? 1970 02:03:26.404 --> 02:03:27.904 So I kind of leave that my teenage 1971 02:03:31.286 --> 02:03:31.847 United States. 1972 02:03:33.310 --> 02:03:34.252 And I'm harming myself. 1973 02:03:34.312 --> 02:03:35.675 To be honest, I'm harming myself. 1974 02:03:36.257 --> 02:03:37.580 Now I see it looking back. 1975 02:03:38.021 --> 02:03:39.584 Did a lot of things that were very harmful to me. 1976 02:03:40.953 --> 02:03:44.416 to be cool and to be, you know, edgy and to explore. 1977 02:03:45.176 --> 02:03:50.060 And it wasn't until I was in my early 20s that I had a really wild experience. 1978 02:03:50.200 --> 02:04:01.810 I had, so to set the stage, I'm living in Maui and I meet another kid in Maui and we're part of this same group of radicals who wanna go to Maui and try to like live off grid eating just fruit, we're raw foodists. 1979 02:04:02.210 --> 02:04:06.474 We wanna like live in the jungle and like live off fruit and be like wild apes basically. 1980 02:04:06.494 --> 02:04:08.195 That's like our approach, we're trying to like, you know. 1981 02:04:08.755 --> 02:04:34.545 so so like this stuff that i've talked about over the years all this rewilding and wild food stuff it's been in my dna for a long time so we both leave maui i come back to maui he's from massachusetts so he comes he's only a couple hours away and basically my roommate uh was a christian and he convinced us to go to this like christian revival thing we went with him to this mega church one night and they start to get you know i'm just like this is all stupid i'm ignoring it i've grown up around it i'm like whatever i've heard all this 1982 02:04:35.165 --> 02:04:36.326 But then they do an altar call. 1983 02:04:36.366 --> 02:04:39.908 Like if anybody wants to meet Jesus, like come up here and we'll pray for you or whatever. 1984 02:04:39.928 --> 02:04:44.210 And my friend who I knew from Maui gets up and he starts walking down the aisle. 1985 02:04:45.070 --> 02:04:47.492 And I'm like, what is he doing? 1986 02:04:47.672 --> 02:04:48.972 You know, I'm like, no way. 1987 02:04:48.992 --> 02:04:51.674 I go to get him to be like, dude, come to your senses. 1988 02:04:51.714 --> 02:04:52.194 What are you doing? 1989 02:04:52.574 --> 02:04:54.755 So I'm like walking down the aisle to go grab him. 1990 02:04:54.775 --> 02:04:59.278 And as I reach out to grab him, a man comes up behind me, puts his hand on my shoulder. 1991 02:05:00.410 --> 02:05:02.711 And I just fell to my knees and started weeping. 1992 02:05:02.971 --> 02:05:09.313 And I was like, I had a radical encounter with God and it changed my life dramatically. 1993 02:05:09.514 --> 02:05:18.637 And for about a year, I'd say my apartment became like a makeshift youth church or something. 1994 02:05:18.697 --> 02:05:20.978 And we had powerful things were happening. 1995 02:05:22.420 --> 02:05:29.684 But eventually I fell away from it because I ended up moving in with a pastor and getting prepared to become part of a church and everything. 1996 02:05:30.144 --> 02:05:33.646 And I just saw behind the scenes of what goes on in a lot of churches. 1997 02:05:33.726 --> 02:05:36.528 I saw all the politics and the money of how it works. 1998 02:05:36.608 --> 02:05:38.189 And it's really turned off by that. 1999 02:05:38.209 --> 02:05:44.872 But it was really when I started to look at some of the other extra biblical texts, like the book of Enoch, and they all started to panic. 2000 02:05:44.892 --> 02:05:45.653 They didn't want me to... 2001 02:05:46.133 --> 02:05:47.673 And I was like, well, that's not right. 2002 02:05:48.194 --> 02:05:49.714 Like, well, I can't read other things. 2003 02:05:49.734 --> 02:05:51.354 Like I ended up leaving it. 2004 02:05:51.875 --> 02:05:55.576 So that was probably around age 20, 1920, probably about 20. 2005 02:05:55.816 --> 02:06:02.037 And it wasn't until 2022, you know, so during that period of time, I did all the things, man. 2006 02:06:02.137 --> 02:06:04.038 I lived a wild, riotous life. 2007 02:06:04.078 --> 02:06:05.478 I traveled all over the world. 2008 02:06:05.538 --> 02:06:08.819 I got to have all the experiences men think they want to have. 2009 02:06:08.879 --> 02:06:11.300 I got to do all the things, man, and go to all the... 2010 02:06:11.660 --> 02:06:18.906 medicine ceremonies, do all the psychedelics, you know, smoke the toad in the desert and drink ayahuasca and the Amazon. 2011 02:06:18.946 --> 02:06:24.770 And I got to get famous and I got to have a company and I got to be a public speaker and I got to have a TV show. 2012 02:06:24.790 --> 02:06:26.532 I mean, I get to do like all the things, but in 2022, um, 2013 02:06:29.791 --> 02:06:33.932 I had a moment, I was watching a documentary about Satanism in the music industry. 2014 02:06:34.173 --> 02:06:38.634 And I had this moment where I felt like the walls just closed in on me everywhere. 2015 02:06:38.654 --> 02:06:40.995 And I felt I could see, I don't know how else to say it. 2016 02:06:41.015 --> 02:06:43.176 I could see how wicked the world has become. 2017 02:06:43.836 --> 02:06:48.258 And I felt, I actually started to ask if I was actually in a type of hell. 2018 02:06:49.038 --> 02:06:50.398 Like, wait a second, am I in hell? 2019 02:06:50.418 --> 02:06:52.739 Like, how is the whole world run by demonic forces? 2020 02:06:54.100 --> 02:06:54.340 You

know? 2021 02:06:54.360 --> 02:06:54.460 Yeah. 2022 02:06:55.821 --> 02:06:57.302 I was like, is this like a hell realm? 2023 02:06:58.063 --> 02:07:00.325 And I had another like radical encounter with God. 2024 02:07:00.345 --> 02:07:09.033 And it was like, I realized, oh, that's when I got for the first time, like what Jesus was, who he is and what he, what that is, that it's a way out. 2025 02:07:09.917 --> 02:07:11.298 That it's the doorway out. 2026 02:07:11.898 --> 02:07:15.100 You know, like in Buddhism, it's like, how do you get out, right? 2027 02:07:15.120 --> 02:07:16.021 Is that feel fair to say? 2028 02:07:16.041 --> 02:07:19.583 It's kind of like Buddhism is about like, you're trapped in the wheel of samsara. 2029 02:07:19.904 --> 02:07:20.884 How do you get out? 2030 02:07:20.944 --> 02:07:32.051 Because you keep reincarnating over and over again, and you're trapped in like a rinse and repeat cycle of a washing machine, and you keep forgetting, and you can't get out, and all life is suffering, and there's no way out, right? 2031 02:07:32.292 --> 02:07:32.472 And... 2032 02:07:33.132 --> 02:07:42.679 What I love about Christ, so in Buddhism, if I understand it, which is at a very meager level, so I apologize to Buddhists listening to this, but something like the way you get out is through enlightenment. 2033 02:07:43.499 --> 02:07:47.262 So it's work that you do to become good enough to get out. 2034 02:07:48.063 --> 02:07:49.684 And Christianity is the inverse of that. 2035 02:07:49.844 --> 02:07:51.745 It's that you can't ever actually be good enough. 2036 02:07:51.765 --> 02:07:52.966 You'll never be able to be good enough. 2037 02:07:53.086 --> 02:07:55.127 You're already, it's already tainted. 2038 02:07:56.128 --> 02:08:03.432 So instead of you having to climb the mountain to God, it's like God climbs down to you to take your hand and bring you back up. 2039 02:08:04.172 --> 02:08:05.593 And in that moment, I just got it. 2040 02:08:05.853 --> 02:08:08.634 And it's like I got it and my life just started to change. 2041 02:08:08.714 --> 02:08:14.997 And I, it's so interesting now because so many things I cared about before, I just don't care about it. 2042 02:08:16.384 --> 02:08:22.569 You know, especially things like what my car is or like how much money is in my bank account or how well my work is doing. 2043 02:08:22.649 --> 02:08:29.034 Like, you know, as far as like how many people are consuming my content or all these things that were like, they seemed important. 2044 02:08:29.894 --> 02:08:36.419 And now I realize that what's important, I think it gives you that perspective of like maybe a person who's dying where it's like, oh, wait, what's really important? 2045 02:08:37.200 --> 02:08:42.284 It's like, I'm not going to, I'm not going to lie on my deathbed thinking about things. 2046 02:08:42.678 --> 02:08:45.320 how many people watched a video of mine or how well my show did. 2047 02:08:45.420 --> 02:08:51.404 I'm going to be thinking about my wife and my family and the people I love and have loved me. 2048 02:08:51.624 --> 02:08:54.626 And those things matter a lot more. 2049 02:08:54.667 --> 02:08:56.328 And so it's like, suddenly I got that. 2050 02:08:56.428 --> 02:09:04.994 And I just, since then for the first time, I think that middle time I told you about where I had that experience in that church with my friend, 2051 02:09:06.951 --> 02:09:12.495 I bought into the whole standard American evangelical theology, and I don't think that that was really good for me. 2052 02:09:13.316 --> 02:09:18.720 But now where I'm at, where I feel like I don't have to define it exactly, I just know I'm having a relationship with Jesus. 2053 02:09:18.920 --> 02:09:23.623 I'm letting him transform my life, and I don't need to be the boss. 2054 02:09:23.803 --> 02:09:29.447 I just want to—he's a way better boss than I am, so I just would rather be subservient to him. 2055 02:09:29.647 --> 02:09:32.910 That, for me, has been really, really transformational, and I— 2056 02:09:34.568 --> 02:09:41.314 feel like the, the, the felt experience is like, you're like a dirty garment and you get washed and now you're shiny white again. 2057 02:09:41.354 --> 02:09:42.595 And you're like, wow, cool. 2058 02:09:42.615 --> 02:09:43.435 This feels great. 2059 02:09:43.475 --> 02:09:51.402 You know, like, I feel like, you know, like maybe like after like a cleanse and a sauna, how you feel where you're like, wow, I'm like clean inside, but like at a spiritual level. 2060 02:09:51.802 --> 02:09:53.724 And it's, it opens your spiritual eyes. 2061 02:09:53.784 --> 02:09:58.047 Cause you start to notice, like you turn on the radio and you're like, every one of these songs is about sex. 2062 02:09:58.367 --> 02:09:59.828 It's just all it's about is sex. 2063 02:10:00.570 --> 02:10:05.232 Or you watch movies and you're like, why do they have to put, why do they have to show so many people get murdered? 2064 02:10:05.753 --> 02:10:08.854 And why do they have to show so much like sex all the time? 2065 02:10:08.894 --> 02:10:09.555 Like, what is this? 2066 02:10:09.575 --> 02:10:10.935 Like sex and murder? 2067 02:10:10.975 --> 02:10:11.496 Like what? 2068 02:10:11.916 --> 02:10:18.459 You know, you start to see, oh, this culture is obsessed with always with things that are bad for your spirit and bad for your soul. 2069 02:10:18.819 --> 02:10:22.041 And you know, my marriage, you asked about my marriage and the relationship. 2070 02:10:22.321 --> 02:10:25.543 I think the part that my marriage has really helped is that it, 2071 02:10:27.152 --> 02:10:32.254 It was the closing of a whole bunch of doors of things that are, that draw you away from God. 2072 02:10:32.634 --> 02:10:33.295 Makes sense. 2073 02:10:33.855 --> 02:10:37.897 I thought that, you know, back in the day, I thought I was like a Tantra guy or something. 2074 02:10:37.917 --> 02:10:40.698 It was like, oh yeah, no, I'm just, I'm

a polyamorous Tantra guy. 2075 02:10:40.738 --> 02:10:42.038 It's like, yeah, it's like a player. 2076 02:10:42.058 --> 02:10:42.719 You mean a player? 2077 02:10:42.759 --> 02:10:43.739 Like, yeah, okay. 2078 02:10:43.779 --> 02:10:48.261 I mean, you know, you call it what you want, but like, that's not a good life. 2079 02:10:48.501 --> 02:10:51.862 And, you know, one, so I committed myself to one woman. 2080 02:10:51.882 --> 02:10:54.904 It was, it was like this peace inside me. 2081 02:10:54.924 --> 02:10:55.184 Yeah. 2082 02:10:55.664 --> 02:10:55.984 you know? 2083 02:10:56.485 --> 02:10:58.986 And I think that that needed to happen first. 2084 02:10:59.947 --> 02:11:04.670 And then that opened me up to, you know, there was never a point in my life where I was an atheist. 2085 02:11:04.690 --> 02:11:06.752 There was never a point in my life where I didn't believe in God. 2086 02:11:06.932 --> 02:11:10.815 There was just a point in my life where I didn't really think, maybe Jesus, that didn't really make sense to me. 2087 02:11:11.115 --> 02:11:15.358 But I've always been committed to a spiritual life and to God, but it just took me a while to, you know, 2088 02:11:17.116 --> 02:11:19.538 It was the, okay, final thing I'll say about this. 2089 02:11:20.079 --> 02:11:27.005 It was seeing how much wickedness and evil is in the world and actually running our world that made me realize. 2090 02:11:27.425 --> 02:11:28.986 And I wish it wasn't that, but that's what it was. 2091 02:11:30.087 --> 02:11:39.075 No, Daniel, but that is the thing that has, because so many of my friends that were complete atheists, 2092 02:11:40.263 --> 02:12:02.766 have become believers or they don't maybe they they're not calling themselves christians some of them are but from all of the wickedness if there are this these child sacrifices all of these demonic plays and all the what the the thing that david i calls it the all the symbolism 2093 02:12:04.722 --> 02:12:12.394 that's covering Hollywood and the children's movies and the tech industry and the tech industry, like everything. 2094 02:12:13.613 --> 02:12:16.514 there must be the other side. 2095 02:12:16.634 --> 02:12:18.335 It must have the opposite. 2096 02:12:18.355 --> 02:12:24.398 Well, the other thing is when you start to examine that symbolism, it's all satanic and Luciferian stuff. 2097 02:12:24.418 --> 02:12:24.918 Exactly. 2098 02:12:25.299 --> 02:12:26.299 So you're like, why then? 2099 02:12:26.319 --> 02:12:27.720 And that is like everywhere. 2100 02:12:28.520 --> 02:12:37.565 Okay, so for me, Christianity makes the most sense out of this, or the New Testament makes the most sense out of this, because you're like… 2101 02:12:38.505 --> 02:12:41.208 It's not just that they're into weird stuff. 2102 02:12:41.228 --> 02:12:44.951 It's like they're into all of this satanic Luciferian occultism. 2103 02:12:46.072 --> 02:12:48.194 It's the rejection of God. 2104 02:12:48.514 --> 02:12:52.838 And remember, we've talked a couple times about the Garden of Eden, which I don't think of as a literal story. 2105 02:12:52.858 --> 02:13:00.505 I think of it as a, it's a literal story in the way that like a literal story becomes history, history becomes legend, legend becomes myth. 2106 02:13:00.645 --> 02:13:01.165 It's like that. 2107 02:13:01.185 --> 02:13:01.265 Hmm. 2108 02:13:02.046 --> 02:13:12.974 So I don't know what it's based on exactly, but in that story, if you remember what the tempter says, he says, did God say that you can't eat of any of these trees? 2109 02:13:13.014 --> 02:13:15.615 And she says, no, no, no, we just can't eat of that one or we'll die. 2110 02:13:15.635 --> 02:13:16.756 And he says, oh, you won't die. 2111 02:13:16.776 --> 02:13:17.757 You'll become God's. 2112 02:13:17.997 --> 02:13:21.218 So this is the whole thing that's going on to this very day. 2113 02:13:21.938 --> 02:13:23.258 You'll become like gods. 2114 02:13:23.538 --> 02:13:25.899 So just sit back and listen to the tech bros. 2115 02:13:26.399 --> 02:13:27.339 Listen to Elon. 2116 02:13:27.379 --> 02:13:28.700 Listen to Klaus Schwab. 2117 02:13:28.740 --> 02:13:31.780 Listen to Noah Harari or any of these characters. 2118 02:13:31.800 --> 02:13:34.241 They're all talking about becoming gods. 2119 02:13:34.421 --> 02:13:35.641 They want to be immortal. 2120 02:13:36.061 --> 02:13:37.642 They want to create species. 2121 02:13:38.042 --> 02:13:41.823 They want to create a new life form in the form of AI with robotics. 2122 02:13:42.043 --> 02:13:43.423 They want to summit. 2123 02:13:43.883 --> 02:13:46.824 I believe that Elon Musk famously called it summoning the demon. 2124 02:13:47.004 --> 02:13:47.364 Why? 2125 02:13:48.204 --> 02:13:52.447 Are they doing the Garden of Eden thing, which is, oh, we'll become gods. 2126 02:13:52.507 --> 02:13:54.568 This is the whole biblical story. 2127 02:13:54.608 --> 02:13:56.809 If you read it cover to cover, you're like, oh, I get it now. 2128 02:13:56.849 --> 02:13:59.030 This is the same thing today. 2129 02:13:59.210 --> 02:14:00.431 There's nothing new under the sun. 2130 02:14:00.611 --> 02:14:03.373 So yeah, at this point, I'm like, why does it all line up with that? 2131 02:14:03.473 --> 02:14:07.615 Are they, you know, and I've had times other times where I'm like, wait a second, maybe I have this all backwards. 2132 02:14:08.075 --> 02:14:08.496 Maybe. 2133 02:14:09.256 --> 02:14:14.058 there's so many Christians that they're trying to make the world events look like they line up with that. 2134 02:14:14.338 --> 02:14:16.158 You know, I've like looked at it from every angle. 2135 02:14:16.178 --> 02:14:23.441 I'm not naive, you know, but at the end of the day, what I've come to is like, no, I think actually it's just plainly what Jesus said it was. 2136 02:14:23.661 --> 02:14:30.623 And he, you know, Matthew chapter 24 is called the Olivet Discourse, and that's Jesus's prophecies of the end times. 2137

02:14:30.843 --> 02:14:39.448 And, you know, that's just like, maybe one other component, if you don't mind, I'd like to hit on is, I've been compiling a list of like, what it says the end times will be like. 2138 02:14:39.728 --> 02:14:42.009 I wanted to ask you this, so please continue. 2139 02:14:42.129 --> 02:14:43.010 This is epic. 2140 02:14:43.450 --> 02:14:46.431 Well, it's fascinating because it's very hard. 2141 02:14:46.451 --> 02:14:46.552 Okay. 2142 02:14:46.572 --> 02:14:46.672 Okay. 2143 02:14:47.612 --> 02:14:54.241 One thing you have to be cautious of, especially if you tend towards apocalyptic kind of fantasy like I do. 2144 02:14:55.042 --> 02:14:55.542 Who doesn't? 2145 02:14:55.843 --> 02:14:57.364 Well, a lot of people don't, though, right? 2146 02:14:57.384 --> 02:15:00.348 Like a lot of people like absolutely don't want to talk about that, you know? 2147 02:15:00.749 --> 02:15:03.592 But people like you and I, it's like, oh, it's exciting stuff, you know? 2148 02:15:04.413 --> 02:15:06.275 It's also like a warning sign. 2149 02:15:06.455 --> 02:15:11.841 You want to know what shit might hit the fan and how can I prepare myself. 2150 02:15:11.941 --> 02:15:14.344 Why did I take the hunting license? 2151 02:15:14.384 --> 02:15:16.226 Why did I move to a rural place? 2152 02:15:16.326 --> 02:15:18.508 Why do I need to forge my own water? 2153 02:15:18.528 --> 02:15:20.811 It's to protect. 2154 02:15:22.250 --> 02:15:22.410 Yeah. 2155 02:15:23.090 --> 02:15:23.310 All right. 2156 02:15:23.751 --> 02:15:24.711 And we're keeping watch. 2157 02:15:24.931 --> 02:15:25.951 Like we started off talking about. 2158 02:15:25.971 --> 02:15:26.751 And we're keeping watch. 2159 02:15:26.811 --> 02:15:27.032 Yeah. 2160 02:15:27.092 --> 02:15:27.472 Thank you. 2161 02:15:27.572 --> 02:15:27.772 Yeah. 2162 02:15:28.112 --> 02:15:30.112 And actually that's where Jesus says to keep watch. 2163 02:15:30.152 --> 02:15:31.273 It's in talking about all this. 2164 02:15:32.033 --> 02:15:33.493 And this is a way to keeping watch. 2165 02:15:33.513 --> 02:15:35.154 That's what I wanted to circle back on. 2166 02:15:35.354 --> 02:15:38.515 So keeping watch and the stories of the end of times. 2167 02:15:38.635 --> 02:15:40.375 So please continue. 2168 02:15:40.535 --> 02:15:42.416 And so, and another thing that's funny about this. 2169 02:15:42.596 --> 02:15:42.856 Okay. 2170 02:15:42.876 --> 02:15:46.337 So a lot of people don't want to talk about it because it scares them. 2171 02:15:47.335 --> 02:15:52.157 But the thing is, is like, if you have that relationship with God, then it's like, it's not scary at all. 2172 02:15:52.177 --> 02:15:53.217 It's the most exciting thing. 2173 02:15:53.237 --> 02:15:54.818 It's like, wait, he's going to come back. 2174 02:15:55.578 --> 02:15:58.900 Like he's going to come back and then remake everything. 2175 02:15:58.940 --> 02:16:00.600 It's like, yeah, dude, sign me up. 2176 02:16:00.720 --> 02:16:01.441 I'm into that. 2177 02:16:01.541 --> 02:16:03.061 I'm not afraid of this at all. 2178 02:16:03.081 --> 02:16:04.662 I mean, I have so much hope. 2179 02:16:04.862 --> 02:16:08.463 So I think a lot of people are seeing what's happening right now and they're struggling to find hope. 2180 02:16:08.663 --> 02:16:09.744 It feels hopeless. 2181 02:16:09.964 --> 02:16:23.592 You know, when you in TV, like I was, or I'd imagine even more so in movies, you have this thing where it's like at the end of the third act, it's like the darkest part of the story where it seems like the protagonist is the furthest away from ever accomplishing their goals. 2182 02:16:23.832 --> 02:16:25.333 They're about to be defeated. 2183 02:16:25.533 --> 02:16:27.494 Everything darkness is going to take over. 2184 02:16:27.914 --> 02:16:28.814 There's no way. 2185 02:16:28.975 --> 02:16:31.656 And then the story starts to shift and go uphill again. 2186 02:16:31.696 --> 02:16:31.876 Right. 2187 02:16:31.896 --> 02:16:34.678 And we're in that dark, dark moment where it looks like. 2188 02:16:35.866 --> 02:16:39.008 Oh man, they're comfortable enough to tell us what they're actually doing here. 2189 02:16:39.028 --> 02:16:40.329 Like they're letting this stuff out. 2190 02:16:40.369 --> 02:16:41.790 Like they're letting us see. 2191 02:16:41.950 --> 02:16:45.572 They must really think they have it totally locked up and that takes away people's hope. 2192 02:16:45.973 --> 02:16:46.753 But I don't feel that. 2193 02:16:46.773 --> 02:16:47.734 I feel very hopeful. 2194 02:16:47.934 --> 02:16:52.557 But there's quite a bit describing what the end times will be like from the Old Testament to the New Testament. 2195 02:16:52.837 --> 02:16:59.942 And some of the stuff that really stands out is like, you know, in the book of Daniel, there's this part where Daniel says like, I don't understand this prophecy. 2196 02:16:59.962 --> 02:17:00.482 Yeah. 2197 02:17:00.562 --> 02:17:02.924 And he gets told by the angel, Daniel, don't worry about it. 2198 02:17:03.224 --> 02:17:04.926 You're just going to live out and finish your life. 2199 02:17:04.966 --> 02:17:05.486 It's all good. 2200 02:17:05.546 --> 02:17:06.147 Go your way. 2201 02:17:06.567 --> 02:17:07.969 This is for the end of time. 2202 02:17:07.989 --> 02:17:09.870 And then he just says this weird thing. 2203 02:17:09.890 --> 02:17:14.835 He goes, when knowledge will be greatly increased and people will go to and fro. 2204 02:17:15.875 --> 02:17:21.318 In other words, like people are traveling constantly and their knowledge is going to be massively increased. 2205 02:17:21.358 --> 02:17:23.699 It's like, well, when has that ever happened? 2206 02:17:23.739 --> 02:17:30.582 It's like about now, you know, or like Paul gives this description of what people will be like in the end times. 2207 02:17:30.622 --> 02:17:31.303 And I'm not going to try. 2208 02:17:32.023 --> 02:17:35.166 do justice to it, but it is just like bang on. 2209

02:17:35.226 --> 02:17:36.727 People are going to be full of ego. 2210 02:17:36.767 --> 02:17:39.969 People are going to pretend to be godly, but it's only going to be an appearance. 2211 02:17:39.989 --> 02:17:42.111 People are going to be like disrespectful to their parents. 2212 02:17:42.131 --> 02:17:43.132 They're going to be selfish. 2213 02:17:43.172 --> 02:17:44.673 They're going to be braggadocious. 2214 02:17:44.833 --> 02:17:47.696 You know, he just like gives this where you're like, oh, that's just modern. 2215 02:17:47.716 --> 02:17:52.359 That's this generation that's coming up right now, you know, or Peter says something really powerful. 2216 02:17:52.420 --> 02:17:56.863 He says that in the end times, people will be willfully ignorant. 2217 02:17:57.163 --> 02:17:58.885 They'll choose to be ignorant. 2218 02:17:58.905 --> 02:17:59.065 They'll 2219 02:18:01.847 --> 02:18:08.311 Or maybe you could, again, if we wanted to impose our modern language on it, it could be like the cat, the great cataclysm of the younger dry us, right? 2220 02:18:08.351 --> 02:18:13.635 Like you see Graham Hancock trying to tell people, hey, there was a cataclysm that destroyed the ancient world. 2221 02:18:13.675 --> 02:18:17.297 And people like he's a quack because they're willfully ignorant. 2222 02:18:17.317 --> 02:18:18.118 All the evidence is there. 2223 02:18:18.138 --> 02:18:20.720 So he says they'll be willfully ignorant that there was ever a flood. 2224 02:18:21.528 --> 02:18:23.811 they'll, they'll choose to not know. 2225 02:18:23.831 --> 02:18:28.157 And they'll say about Christ, where is the promise of his coming? 2226 02:18:28.177 --> 02:18:36.248 Because ever since the fathers fell asleep, in other words, ever since all the patriarchs died, the world has continued on as it was from the creation. 2227 02:18:37.559 --> 02:18:39.561 In other words, that's our whole scientific paradigm. 2228 02:18:40.022 --> 02:18:48.831 No, the reason the Grand Canyon looks like that isn't because that's like stratification of liquid materials that solidified. 2229 02:18:49.091 --> 02:18:52.575 That's millions and millions of years of stuff building up. 2230 02:18:52.715 --> 02:18:57.680 In other words, like since the beginning, all things have carried on as they were from creation. 2231 02:18:57.840 --> 02:19:00.302 Millions and gazillions of years led to all this stuff. 2232 02:19:00.843 --> 02:19:11.628 Where it's like, or those are massive sediment layers from an entire cataclysm, but people choose to be ignorant because if they look at that, it opens them up to having to, you know, maybe potentially look at more of this. 2233 02:19:11.768 --> 02:19:21.732 And then, you know, some of the freaky deaky stuff is when you're in Revelation, where it talks about things like this, you know, system that's going to come and this false prophet and this antichrist. 2234 02:19:21.952 --> 02:19:27.955 And it actually says something really wild where it talks about, it's going to create an image and the Greek is icon. 2235 02:19:27.975 --> 02:19:28.255 Yeah. 2236 02:19:29.477 --> 02:19:32.101 And that's the same word used throughout the Bible for idols. 2237 02:19:32.121 --> 02:19:34.025 We're going to create an icon. 2238 02:19:34.045 --> 02:19:40.555 Now, you need to understand that throughout the Bible, there's this idea of people are worshiping idols just like they are today. 2239 02:19:40.615 --> 02:19:41.677 I mean, I gave a talk. 2240 02:19:42.700 --> 02:19:46.321 not long ago in a big yoga center, and there's just idols everywhere. 2241 02:19:46.341 --> 02:19:47.761 And you could be like, no, those are just statues. 2242 02:19:47.821 --> 02:19:49.201 It's like, no, there's offerings. 2243 02:19:49.261 --> 02:19:52.402 People bring them fruit and burn incense in front of them and put money in front of them. 2244 02:19:52.622 --> 02:19:53.402 These are idols. 2245 02:19:53.482 --> 02:19:55.923 People are worshiping idols still, right? 2246 02:19:56.203 --> 02:19:57.783 But that was major in the old world. 2247 02:19:58.623 --> 02:20:02.864 So throughout the Bible, God through the prophets is making fun of people's idols. 2248 02:20:03.064 --> 02:20:04.624 He's like, they have ears but can't hear. 2249 02:20:04.664 --> 02:20:05.924 They have eyes but can't see. 2250 02:20:05.964 --> 02:20:07.465 They have mouths but can't speak. 2251 02:20:07.485 --> 02:20:08.465 You're following these... 2252 02:20:09.145 --> 02:20:12.548 dead statues that you made with your own hands and acting like they're God. 2253 02:20:12.588 --> 02:20:13.389 That's crazy, right? 2254 02:20:13.529 --> 02:20:25.540 But in the end times, this false prophet's able to produce an idol that can speak and it can move around and it can punish those who won't worship the beast. 2255 02:20:27.176 --> 02:20:29.178 And you're like, oh, that's AI and a robot. 2256 02:20:29.639 --> 02:20:30.119 Exactly. 2257 02:20:30.319 --> 02:20:33.102 That's AI and a robot that could never have existed before. 2258 02:20:33.162 --> 02:20:40.850 So anyway, I'm just giving you a brief little bit, but it's when you compile all the things together, you're like, oh man, that kind of seems like right now. 2259 02:20:41.450 --> 02:20:45.334 And so this stuff's called eschatology, the study of the end of time. 2260 02:20:46.095 --> 02:21:11.134 eschatology eschatology yeah and so this in my opinion you know another thing that comes up a lot in the scripture is the idea of the end of the age and the apostles are always asking jesus what's going to be like at the end of the age and we're coming to the end of the age of pisces now so it's been you know that has to do with the procession of the equinoxes and all of that stuff and that actually makes me want to say one more thing one thing that keeps people from jesus i think is 2261 02:21:12.775 --> 02:21:26.063 all this stuff that they love and believe in, like all this cool kind of new agey stuff, like whether it's

like crystal energy or it's sacred geometry or cymatics or it's astrology or it's, you know, there's all these things. 2262 02:21:26.103 --> 02:21:27.824 And it's like, I often wanna remind people, 2263 02:21:28.684 --> 02:21:29.505 God made all that stuff. 2264 02:21:29.726 --> 02:21:30.407 That stuff's real. 2265 02:21:30.607 --> 02:21:44.045 Some of it we're told not to mess with because it's better to follow God than to do conjuring to try to figure out what to do next because you open yourself up to spiritual entities that, 2266 02:21:44.706 --> 02:21:45.907 don't have your best interest in mind. 2267 02:21:46.327 --> 02:21:49.730 But it's not like all that stuff goes away and isn't real suddenly because you believe in Christ. 2268 02:21:49.750 --> 02:21:51.532 It's like, who made sacred geometry? 2269 02:21:51.672 --> 02:22:04.143 It's like, the thing that the watchers did in the book of Enoch is they come teach all the secrets of creation to people who aren't supposed to know the secrets because they're supposed to enjoy being alive, not figure out what the earth is made of so they can manipulate it. 2270 02:22:04.683 --> 02:22:08.105 That's, you know, again, like I likened it earlier to like a metaverse video game. 2271 02:22:08.125 --> 02:22:16.211 And I think what we're supposed to do here is play the game, not stop playing the game to disassemble the game to reassemble it in the image we want it to be. 2272 02:22:16.751 --> 02:22:18.032 That's Luciferianism. 2273 02:22:19.113 --> 02:22:25.617 And I think following God means actually living through this life, like for the reason that it's here for us to have this experience in a physical body, but... 2274 02:22:26.499 --> 02:22:30.801 But we've gotten kind of waylaid and we're trying to manipulate the game itself. 2275 02:22:31.001 --> 02:22:39.926 And so a lot of times people are using a lot of these things that God made, but they're trying to use them to alter the world into an image that they would prefer it to be. 2276 02:22:39.946 --> 02:22:46.489 And I think that is bad for our souls because we miss out on the opportunity of what this experience is meant to be. 2277 02:22:46.749 --> 02:22:54.213 So you're saying it's bad for our souls to try to create the world as we would love to have it. 2278 02:22:55.032 --> 02:23:16.016 Well, I think like what I mean is like what it's taken us 2000 years, let's say, or more like maybe it's more like it's taken us 4000 years or I guess if you talk to Graham Hancock, it's maybe it's 14000 years since the last cataclysm in the end of the golden age, when clearly some levels of technology existed that we don't really understand today. 2279 02:23:16.637 --> 02:23:20.937 I mean, if you've been to any of the megalithic sites around the world, you're like, what on earth? 2280 02:23:21.638 --> 02:23:22.958 How did they get these stones here? 2281 02:23:22.978 --> 02:23:23.138 Yeah. 2282 02:23:23.989 --> 02:23:25.350 How did they cut these stones? 2283

02:23:25.390 --> 02:23:28.333 They supposedly didn't even have iron tools. 2284 02:23:28.373 --> 02:23:33.878 Like how, you know, Sacsaye woman in Peru is one of the most astonishing places I've ever been. 2285 02:23:34.399 --> 02:23:36.981 It's not just like the pyramids where it's like stacked stones. 2286 02:23:37.321 --> 02:23:44.949 These stones are cut in all of these like three-dimensional jigsaw puzzle ways and then fitted together perfectly to survive cataclysms. 2287 02:23:44.989 --> 02:23:47.611 And you just can't imagine how it could have been done. 2288 02:23:48.332 --> 02:23:48.952 And the Inca, 2289 02:23:49.793 --> 02:24:11.860 inherited it they knew they didn't build that they were like no no the stuff was here so okay do you have a theory of the pyramids no i i well i mean nothing i want to say publicly but like i do think that that there was a golden age where many technologies were understood and they were probably more frequency-based technologies than what we have today right so like what we're just 2290 02:24:13.111 --> 02:24:18.315 We don't know what they're doing at Lockheed Martin and General Dynamics and Halliburton and all these companies, right? 2291 02:24:18.355 --> 02:24:26.500 What we're starting to understand what's coming out about these UAP programs is that they have reverse engineered technologies since the 40s or 50s. 2292 02:24:26.700 --> 02:24:31.984 And they've been kept in the skunk works of these defense contractors who've been developing these technologies. 2293 02:24:32.204 --> 02:24:34.485 So likely a lot of this stuff is understood now. 2294 02:24:34.906 --> 02:24:41.450 But we're still, all we're given is like a dribbled out old world Capernaum understanding of technology. 2295 02:24:41.921 --> 02:25:01.307 physics right you know what i'm saying like yeah like anti-gravitics plasma yeah you know all this stuff that we were but you have you didn't want to be public about something so no it's not it's not that it's just that i don't i don't know i just be speculating i think they i guess what i it looks to me like they had some plasma tool for cutting yeah 2296 02:25:02.228 --> 02:25:03.009 some of these stones. 2297 02:25:03.189 --> 02:25:11.656 And I also just can't imagine that these stones were carried or rolled the distances in a pot across the topography that they were. 2298 02:25:11.816 --> 02:25:14.478 So I think frequency, I don't know. 2299 02:25:14.578 --> 02:25:18.401 I don't know how it worked, but all I know is there was a golden age and that age ended. 2300 02:25:19.642 --> 02:25:25.006 And, you know, here we are now willfully not pretending it didn't happen. 2301 02:25:26.092 --> 02:25:31.594 And so since that cataclysm, we've been trying to rebuild the golden age technologies. 2302 02:25:32.275 --> 02:25:38.918 And the whole idea is that if we can have nanotech, right, biological genetic engineering, 2303 02:25:40.051 --> 02:25:43.453 robotics and AI, we can become gods. 2304 02:25:43.754 --> 02:25:44.954 We can reshape the world. 2305 02:25:44.994 --> 02:25:52.820 We can reshape the ecosystem by creating all new organisms and replacing organisms and changing the organisms fundamentally at a genetic level. 2306 02:25:53.220 --> 02:25:55.401 We can go in and merge ourselves with machines. 2307 02:25:55.441 --> 02:25:57.363 We can change ourselves genetically. 2308 02:25:57.723 --> 02:25:59.204 We can become immortal. 2309 02:25:59.604 --> 02:26:01.445 Ye shall become as gods, right? 2310 02:26:01.546 --> 02:26:02.666 So rather than just 2311 02:26:09.873 --> 02:26:13.494 We wanna try to change the whole thing into something we think would be better. 2312 02:26:14.655 --> 02:26:15.955 That's Luciferianism. 2313 02:26:16.596 --> 02:26:17.496 That's Satanism. 2314 02:26:18.056 --> 02:26:25.719 What are some things that you believe are coming in the future and that are already here that you actively stay away from? 2315 02:26:26.559 --> 02:26:35.983 Like we are talking about Neuralink that will come, merge yourself with the machines, maybe just like using AI or Chachipati or, so what would you stay away from? 2316 02:26:36.023 --> 02:26:36.543 Yeah, man. 2317 02:26:36.643 --> 02:26:38.524 Because they will, because you know, 2318 02:26:39.124 --> 02:26:51.912 Behind me, I have Tony Robbins' book, Life Force, where several scientists and doctors that are longevity experts are claiming that we will be able to possibly live forever. 2319 02:26:52.632 --> 02:26:56.275 And many of them absolutely believe this without a shadow of a doubt. 2320 02:26:56.972 --> 02:26:57.212 Yeah. 2321 02:26:58.152 --> 02:27:03.595 So that's never going to happen at first, but people might be able to extend their lifespans, but live forever. 2322 02:27:03.795 --> 02:27:06.276 I mean, like, like it's not really going to happen, but okay. 2323 02:27:06.836 --> 02:27:11.498 Just imagine like you living until you're 500 and that will be like the new norm. 2324 02:27:11.578 --> 02:27:13.539 Is that something you would pass on? 2325 02:27:13.879 --> 02:27:14.139 Yes. 2326 02:27:14.859 --> 02:27:16.940 And say that that is Luciferianism. 2327 02:27:17.060 --> 02:27:17.460 Yes. 2328 02:27:17.900 --> 02:27:18.140 Yeah. 2329 02:27:18.520 --> 02:27:22.042 I will pass on that, but I would like to live that long. 2330 02:27:22.062 --> 02:27:22.242 Yeah. 2331 02:27:23.482 --> 02:27:25.023 You know, yeah, I would love that. 2332 02:27:25.764 --> 02:27:26.625 But here's the thing, man. 2333 02:27:26.825 --> 02:27:38.055 It's like there's something I've noticed about technology that's really irritating, and that's that it's constantly needing to be replaced, and it's constantly needing to be upgraded, and it's constantly needing to be updated. 2334 02:27:39.068 --> 02:27:40.329 And it's really frustrating. 2335 02:27:40.349 --> 02:27:42.970 Like you're trying to watch a video and then it's like update required. 2336 02:27:42.990 --> 02:27:44.831 And you're like,

oh man, it's like, oh, the batteries are dying. 2337 02:27:44.851 --> 02:27:45.611 Got to plug this thing in. 2338 02:27:45.631 --> 02:27:50.753 It's like technology is like a constant pain and it's always failing and it's always having problems, right? 2339 02:27:50.773 --> 02:27:54.275 Like how many times are you in a podcast and you're like, oh, lag time, static. 2340 02:27:54.315 --> 02:28:01.678 Like I think personally merging yourself with machines is going to be torture, absolute torture. 2341 02:28:02.639 --> 02:28:06.761 You know, you get the robot arm and then two weeks later, the new robot arm comes out. 2342 02:28:07.182 --> 02:28:09.283 And you're like, oh man, I got to like upgrade my arm. 2343 02:28:09.543 --> 02:28:11.023 And then you're like, oh, I feel embarrassed. 2344 02:28:11.043 --> 02:28:13.084 Like they have the really nice Lexus arm. 2345 02:28:13.124 --> 02:28:14.244 I just have the Ford arm. 2346 02:28:14.624 --> 02:28:15.424 I'm so embarrassed. 2347 02:28:15.484 --> 02:28:16.505 Like what? 2348 02:28:16.605 --> 02:28:17.465 Like, no thanks. 2349 02:28:17.485 --> 02:28:19.045 Like not interested in any of that. 2350 02:28:19.245 --> 02:28:26.967 I really thought I would, going back, I remember my very first encounter with computers. 2351 02:28:27.968 --> 02:28:29.988 The first computer I used was in a library. 2352 02:28:30.188 --> 02:28:36.730 So when I was a kid, this will be hard for young people listening, but when I was a young person, you go to the library and they had this thing, I think it was called the 2353 02:28:38.080 --> 02:28:39.421 Do we do system? 2354 02:28:39.481 --> 02:28:46.947 Anyway, there was like these drawers, this big cabinet with drawers, and it was all these, you know, individual cards for every book. 2355 02:28:47.628 --> 02:28:50.090 And to take the book out, you had to go find that card. 2356 02:28:50.430 --> 02:28:54.393 And then there was a little sleeve that they'd put in the back of the book and they would stamp it with your information. 2357 02:28:54.413 --> 02:28:56.195 It would slide into the back of the book. 2358 02:28:56.375 --> 02:29:00.438 And I remember when they went online with the, it was called the card catalog. 2359 02:29:00.658 --> 02:29:02.220 And I had to use a computer. 2360 02:29:02.280 --> 02:29:05.823 Man, I just had this spiritual sense, like, I don't want to use a computer. 2361 02:29:06.423 --> 02:29:07.863 And I thought like, I'm going to avoid this. 2362 02:29:08.524 --> 02:29:11.804 And then it got to where it was like, in order to use the library, I realized I had to use it, you know? 2363 02:29:12.925 --> 02:29:14.265 And I'm having the same thing with AI. 2364 02:29:14.305 --> 02:29:15.705 Like, I'm like, man, I don't want to use AI. 2365 02:29:15.725 --> 02:29:17.126 And it's like, well, good luck. 2366 02:29:17.166 --> 02:29:18.626 We're using it right now to do this. 2367 02:29:19.546 --> 02:29:21.327 You know, it runs all your algorithms. 2368 02:29:21.367 --> 02:29:24.867 It's like, in now, you know, in podcasting, like, good luck. 2369 02:29:24.907 --> 02:29:26.308 Like, the other thing is... 2370 02:29:27.540 --> 02:29:32.205 trying to do everything the old way is getting hard because people aren't going to know how to do it the old way anymore. 2371 02:29:32.886 --> 02:29:33.086 Right? 2372 02:29:33.146 --> 02:29:34.628 Or it's like, you buy a new car. 2373 02:29:34.648 --> 02:29:35.549 That's happening quickly. 2374 02:29:35.689 --> 02:29:36.410 So quickly. 2375 02:29:36.570 --> 02:29:37.571 So quickly. 2376 02:29:37.611 --> 02:29:44.099 Coders not knowing how to code after using ChatGPT and Claude for two months. 2377 02:29:44.499 --> 02:29:44.679 Yeah. 2378 02:29:44.859 --> 02:29:50.484 As, as somebody coming back to podcasting after like six or seven years off, six years off, it's a different game. 2379 02:29:50.565 --> 02:29:52.666 I'm like, Oh, AI is integrated to the whole thing now. 2380 02:29:52.746 --> 02:30:00.113 So, so I'm realizing like, okay, you can't not use the things completely or, or you'd have to basically remove yourself from society. 2381 02:30:00.153 --> 02:30:03.036 And I don't want to do that because I feel like I have a strong mission in society. 2382 02:30:03.076 --> 02:30:05.638 So, so I have to be really judicious. 2383 02:30:05.798 --> 02:30:07.119 I don't use chat GPT. 2384 02:30:07.219 --> 02:30:10.462 I don't, I, I don't have any relationships with an AI. 2385 02:30:11.263 --> 02:30:13.766 And I think that people should be realistic about what they're doing. 2386 02:30:14.307 --> 02:30:17.210 If they have one of these, they're probably in relationship with it to some degree. 2387 02:30:18.011 --> 02:30:18.711 And I don't want to do that. 2388 02:30:19.272 --> 02:30:23.036 But I also find myself wanting to ask very interesting questions to Google at times. 2389 02:30:24.092 --> 02:30:25.733 That I, you know, in ways I didn't. 2390 02:30:26.053 --> 02:30:35.798 And I remember hearing that people weren't going to websites anymore, that something like 99% of Google searches and in people just reading the AI summary and not going to web pages anymore. 2391 02:30:35.818 --> 02:30:39.059 And I was like, I don't want to do that, but I've already found that's what's happening to me now. 2392 02:30:39.179 --> 02:30:39.900 So yeah. 2393 02:30:40.600 --> 02:30:40.920 Yeah. 2394 02:30:40.960 --> 02:30:48.064 So I think that there's going to come a point where there's going to be some technology that I'll have to say no to. 2395 02:30:49.192 --> 02:30:50.493 So, you know, that's the other thing. 2396 02:30:50.513 --> 02:31:02.146 I mean, everybody knows this story in the, in the Bible, in the end times, there's this idea of the mark of the beast and the mark of the beast is if you don't receive this in your right hand or forehead, you can't buy or sell. 2397 02:31:02.386 --> 02:31:04.809 And really, oh yeah, yeah, man. 2398 02:31:04.829 --> 02:31:06.411 That's

the whole six, six, six thing. 2399 02:31:06.451 --> 02:31:06.671 Yeah. 2400 02:31:06.731 --> 02:31:11.176 Without the mark of the beast, you can't participate in the economy. 2401 02:31:12.614 --> 02:31:13.755 That's going to happen for sure. 2402 02:31:13.935 --> 02:31:14.275 I believe. 2403 02:31:14.295 --> 02:31:14.535 Oh, yeah. 2404 02:31:14.635 --> 02:31:16.116 We're right on the door. 2405 02:31:16.196 --> 02:31:16.336 Right. 2406 02:31:16.496 --> 02:31:16.776 Yeah. 2407 02:31:16.817 --> 02:31:19.638 So probably what we need is one one new crisis. 2408 02:31:19.858 --> 02:31:21.219 So maybe it's a nuke. 2409 02:31:21.339 --> 02:31:22.820 Maybe it's another pandemic. 2410 02:31:22.880 --> 02:31:29.244 Maybe it's some some big crisis moment where you can see that the world's getting ready to switch over to a digital currency. 2411 02:31:29.304 --> 02:31:31.165 A manufactured crisis. 2412 02:31:31.265 --> 02:31:32.166 Just so everybody. 2413 02:31:32.386 --> 02:31:32.526 Right. 2414 02:31:32.566 --> 02:31:32.706 Right. 2415 02:31:32.726 --> 02:31:33.807 A manufactured crisis. 2416 02:31:33.987 --> 02:31:34.167 Yeah. 2417 02:31:34.187 --> 02:31:34.347 Yeah. 2418 02:31:34.767 --> 02:31:40.172 So, so manufacture crisis, because what you do is you have the, the thing you want to implement. 2419 02:31:40.292 --> 02:31:43.715 So you meant you manufacture a crisis to implement the thing. 2420 02:31:43.795 --> 02:31:53.043 So, so to get us off of the financial system, the world's been on and onto a, you know, what people call crypto or digital or a programmable money. 2421 02:31:53.984 --> 02:31:55.625 And man, this stuff's pretty scary. 2422 02:31:55.645 --> 02:31:56.466 I'm sure you've looked into it. 2423 02:31:56.486 --> 02:31:57.167 It's pretty wild. 2424 02:31:57.207 --> 02:31:58.047 Programmable money. 2425 02:31:58.087 --> 02:32:00.630 Like, no, you're not allowed to spend your money on that. 2426 02:32:02.311 --> 02:32:05.253 And it's not just like, you know, who knows what it is, right? 2427 02:32:05.273 --> 02:32:10.415 But it could be like, no, you personally can't buy that because your insurance company doesn't want you eating that. 2428 02:32:10.435 --> 02:32:13.817 Or you can't personally buy that because the government doesn't want you reading that. 2429 02:32:13.857 --> 02:32:18.760 Or you can, you have to use all your money in the next seven days or it disappears or programmed. 2430 02:32:18.780 --> 02:32:19.960 However, it's programmable money. 2431 02:32:20.000 --> 02:32:24.243 So to get us onto that, anyway, somehow it's the right hand or forehead. 2432 02:32:24.523 --> 02:32:28.025 Maybe that means, you know, it's a palm scan and a retinal scan, or maybe it's a, 2433 02:32:28.980 --> 02:32:34.422 digital tattoo, or maybe it's a fluorescing tattoo, or maybe it's a implantable microchip or whatever. 2434 02:32:34.442 --> 02:32:37.162 I mean, all through time, people have thought it was all kinds of things. 2435 02:32:37.182 --> 02:32:38.403 They thought it was credit cards. 2436 02:32:38.423 --> 02:32:40.943 They thought it was, you know, UPC codes. 2437 02:32:41.203 --> 02:32:44.004 You know, people are, Christians have been paranoid about this forever. 2438 02:32:44.084 --> 02:32:48.265 And that's something I want to say is for 2000 years, Christians have thought it was the end times. 2439 02:32:48.726 --> 02:32:50.786 I want to be very clear about that. 2440 02:32:50.946 --> 02:32:54.047 You see it in the writings of the epistles in the new Testament. 2441 02:32:54.067 --> 02:32:56.528 They think it's the end times then, like everyone's always thought this. 2442 02:32:56.588 --> 02:32:56.728 So, 2443 02:32:57.448 --> 02:33:02.914 Here I am being like, I think we're kind of there, but- 20 years ago, didn't you think that we were in the end of times? 2444 02:33:02.934 --> 02:33:03.875 Yeah, yeah, yeah, man. 2445 02:33:03.915 --> 02:33:05.416 I thought it must be close. 2446 02:33:05.797 --> 02:33:06.137 Yeah, yeah. 2447 02:33:06.157 --> 02:33:11.703 And I can't believe now looking back because you're like, oh my gosh, it was such a- I can't believe that we survived 2012. 2448 02:33:11.743 --> 02:33:14.205 And look at us now, dude. 2449 02:33:14.646 --> 02:33:14.866 Yeah. 2450 02:33:15.226 --> 02:33:20.071 And then it was like 2020 and like financial collapses and- 2451 02:33:21.128 --> 02:33:27.670 I'm like, when should I just let go of this expectation of some form of a huge crisis? 2452 02:33:28.050 --> 02:33:32.471 And everybody's on a one-way ride that ends in you dying. 2453 02:33:32.571 --> 02:33:35.691 So it's always somebody's end time, right? 2454 02:33:36.192 --> 02:33:44.273 But okay, so anyway, there's this idea that there'll be a system in place and in order to participate in that system economically. 2455 02:33:44.594 --> 02:33:48.574 Now think about the pressure of that because like anybody who dealt with you have to get 2456 02:33:51.376 --> 02:33:59.227 I, you know, as, as, you know, a pure blood, I remember, man, it was very, it was, the pressure was extreme. 2457 02:33:59.768 --> 02:34:00.069 Yeah. 2458 02:34:00.189 --> 02:34:02.873 I lost so many friends because I spoke out about it. 2459 02:34:03.639 --> 02:34:04.680 Yeah, right. 2460 02:34:04.700 --> 02:34:12.924 People like neighbors stopped talking to me and it was a hard time for, and I sympathize with people getting the jab because they felt pressured. 2461 02:34:12.944 --> 02:34:13.685 Yeah, me too. 2462 02:34:14.045 --> 02:34:17.027 And from work, from family members. 2463 02:34:17.327 --> 02:34:22.109 So I don't want to say that somebody is bad because of getting the jab. 2464 02:34:22.189 --> 02:34:22.890 Of course not. 2465 02:34:22.930 --> 02:34:23.750 Of course not. 2466 02:34:23.770 --> 02:34:24.931 The pressure was immense. 2467 02:34:25.211 --> 02:34:26.372 Yeah, it was crazy. 2468 02:34:26.432 --> 02:34:29.974 And a lot of shame like behind pushing that behavior. 2469 02:34:30.274

--> 02:34:30.874 And so, right. 2470 02:34:30.894 --> 02:34:37.978 So social pressure, which we see at the government pressure, but then there was the social pressure, family pressure inside relationships. 2471 02:34:38.578 --> 02:34:45.561 And then the work thing, like I know a lot of people that didn't want it, but like they needed to work, you know, or they, they weren't willing to lose their jobs. 2472 02:34:45.621 --> 02:34:46.742 And I don't, I understand that. 2473 02:34:46.942 --> 02:34:52.104 So I think something's coming that's even more extreme than that and will be harder to say no to. 2474 02:34:52.124 --> 02:34:52.445 Yeah. 2475 02:34:53.325 --> 02:35:02.452 The repercussions could be very high, but I believe what one thing I've noticed is that this culture does not have room for people who want to opt out of where technology is going. 2476 02:35:02.793 --> 02:35:05.095 And, you know, I did a podcast. 2477 02:35:05.115 --> 02:35:08.718 One of the first shows I'm dropping is with the guy who wrote Brian Merchant. 2478 02:35:08.758 --> 02:35:09.858 He wrote Blood in the Machine. 2479 02:35:09.878 --> 02:35:11.079 It's about the Luddite rebellion. 2480 02:35:11.280 --> 02:35:12.821 And I didn't know anything about that. 2481 02:35:12.841 --> 02:35:14.903 I just always heard people say that, like, well, I'm not a Luddite. 2482 02:35:15.557 --> 02:35:16.798 You ever hear that from people? 2483 02:35:16.938 --> 02:35:17.618 Luddite. 2484 02:35:18.098 --> 02:35:18.498 Luddite. 2485 02:35:18.518 --> 02:35:19.239 Yeah. 2486 02:35:19.359 --> 02:35:20.779 So I hear it all the time. 2487 02:35:20.839 --> 02:35:28.643 It's well, when I hear it, it means when people say it, they mean I'm not against tech, not like somebody will be like, well, I'm just, I feel like these phones are bad for it. 2488 02:35:28.663 --> 02:35:29.623 I'm not a Luddite though. 2489 02:35:29.643 --> 02:35:30.964 And people always say that. 2490 02:35:30.984 --> 02:35:32.885 And finally I was like, well, what were Luddites? 2491 02:35:33.425 --> 02:35:33.525 Uh, 2492 02:35:33.805 --> 02:35:45.753 Well, it turns out what Luddites were is at the dawn of the Industrial Revolution in England, there was these artisans who made textiles, and they were being replaced by machines that were making textiles instead. 2493 02:35:45.773 --> 02:35:48.875 They were lower quality textiles, but they were cheaper to manufacture. 2494 02:35:49.235 --> 02:35:51.257 And that was when the first factories were built. 2495 02:35:51.857 --> 02:35:54.180 And they were using all of this child labor. 2496 02:35:54.240 --> 02:35:55.542 And it was this horrible system. 2497 02:35:55.862 --> 02:35:59.326 And these people had no work anymore because they were being replaced by machines. 2498 02:35:59.366 --> 02:36:03.671 So they were going around at night in guerrilla missions and destroying the machines and destroying the factories. 2499 02:36:04.052 --> 02:36:06.915 They're called Luddites because they

had this mascot, General. 2500 02:36:07.095 --> 02:36:07.976 And I think... 2501 02:36:09.266 --> 02:36:14.789 Why I bring that up is because that lasted six years and then that was the end and now everywhere is factories. 2502 02:36:14.969 --> 02:36:16.891 And there are no artisans making fabric. 2503 02:36:16.911 --> 02:36:17.331 You know what I mean? 2504 02:36:18.051 --> 02:36:20.973 Like there's no room in this culture if you don't want to get on board. 2505 02:36:21.113 --> 02:36:26.416 You know, maybe if you want to go live with the Amish or something and even they're using chainsaws now and all this stuff. 2506 02:36:26.436 --> 02:36:28.437 So, by the way, do you have Amish out there? 2507 02:36:28.457 --> 02:36:29.498 Do you know what I'm talking about? 2508 02:36:29.518 --> 02:36:30.819 Yeah, I know about the Amish. 2509 02:36:30.939 --> 02:36:34.301 I'm super fascinated about the Amish, but we don't have them. 2510 02:36:34.801 --> 02:36:35.081 Okay. 2511 02:36:35.201 --> 02:36:45.385 Sometimes when I'm driving back from Northern Maine, you have to really pay attention at night because they drive black buggies and they literally have candles inside these little glass things as their lights. 2512 02:36:45.445 --> 02:36:46.785 It's, it's awesome. 2513 02:36:47.025 --> 02:36:47.586 Yeah, it's awesome. 2514 02:36:47.606 --> 02:36:53.328 But anyway, my point is they live on the fringe because they're not part of regular society because society doesn't have room for you. 2515 02:36:53.388 --> 02:36:59.830 If you don't like, I was trying to point out the other day in a talk, I was giving like every homeless person I see has a smartphone. 2516 02:37:00.742 --> 02:37:01.302 Yeah, that's true. 2517 02:37:01.322 --> 02:37:02.864 Because smartphones a thousand bucks. 2518 02:37:03.344 --> 02:37:03.564 Yeah. 2519 02:37:04.064 --> 02:37:06.846 How on earth do every homeless person has a smartphone? 2520 02:37:06.866 --> 02:37:09.228 Like that's the level of which you need to integrate. 2521 02:37:09.448 --> 02:37:15.773 So I think the technology, I don't know if it's going to be robot eyes or, you know, you know, robot propelled calves or something. 2522 02:37:15.813 --> 02:37:20.356 I think it's going to be more probably based on something to access the financial system. 2523 02:37:20.536 --> 02:37:22.297 But I do think that's coming. 2524 02:37:22.557 --> 02:37:27.341 And yeah, I'm preparing myself mentally, emotionally, psychically, spiritually for that because 2525 02:37:27.661 --> 02:37:30.904 There's got to be some point, like I thought I would say no to AI. 2526 02:37:30.964 --> 02:37:33.586 Now it's like, okay, I mean, it's going to have to be part of my life to some degree. 2527 02:37:33.606 --> 02:37:36.708 But there's, there's got to come a point where it's like, no, that's too far. 2528 02:37:36.928 --> 02:37:42.053 And I here's some other ones, though, you asked, because, like, I'm not interested in bioidentical hormones. 2529 02:37:42.815 --> 02:37:44.357 I'm not interested in peptides. 2530 02:37:45.178 --> 02:37:49.204 I just, you know, my wife wears a, you know, I'm 48, my wife's 49. 2531 02:37:49.784 --> 02:37:57.795 She wears a shirt, says Botox free, you know, because all around us, it's like, you're just seeing like everybody is going towards all these transhuman type. 2532 02:37:58.616 --> 02:38:01.139 products and services in the quest. 2533 02:38:01.619 --> 02:38:05.823 Thank you, Madonna, in the quest of feeling like you're supposed to be a sex symbol until you're 90. 2534 02:38:05.923 --> 02:38:06.404 You know what I mean? 2535 02:38:06.604 --> 02:38:08.686 So those are things I'm saying no to. 2536 02:38:08.746 --> 02:38:11.248 I just don't really want to manipulate my biology. 2537 02:38:11.268 --> 02:38:18.455 And the other thing is I don't want to be addicted to it's like if you go on testosterone and I apologize to, you know, I know there's a lot of people listening to this. 2538 02:38:18.475 --> 02:38:19.997 We're on testosterone and full respect. 2539 02:38:20.017 --> 02:38:20.638 It's your choice. 2540 02:38:21.685 --> 02:38:24.127 There's times that I look at it and go, man, it'd be kind of nice. 2541 02:38:24.167 --> 02:38:30.152 I go to the gym and I see some of the guys start taking it and you're like, dang, you know, like powerful stuff. 2542 02:38:30.172 --> 02:38:31.493 But we used to call that steroids. 2543 02:38:32.674 --> 02:38:33.134 You know what I mean? 2544 02:38:33.555 --> 02:38:36.457 And once you're on it and your balls shrink, like you're not going off it. 2545 02:38:36.817 --> 02:38:41.781 You're now beholden to the pharmaceutical company making it for basically for the rest of your life. 2546 02:38:42.828 --> 02:38:45.930 And, you know, let's face it, these peptides everyone's taking are experimental drugs. 2547 02:38:45.950 --> 02:38:47.852 They're buying them on the black market and gray market. 2548 02:38:47.872 --> 02:38:49.793 These are not sanctioned drugs. 2549 02:38:50.093 --> 02:38:51.874 That's becoming huge in Sweden as well. 2550 02:38:52.215 --> 02:38:52.835 Everywhere, right? 2551 02:38:53.095 --> 02:38:56.017 I mean, to the point that people are taking ones just to make themselves tan. 2552 02:38:56.197 --> 02:38:56.558 It's like... 2553 02:38:57.729 --> 02:38:58.489 It's pretty wild. 2554 02:38:58.609 --> 02:39:00.390 So I'm just not interested in that stuff. 2555 02:39:00.410 --> 02:39:02.871 I want to live naturally, age naturally. 2556 02:39:03.331 --> 02:39:06.292 And this one's hard for some people to understand, but I want to die naturally. 2557 02:39:06.632 --> 02:39:06.872 Why? 2558 02:39:07.272 --> 02:39:10.413 Because that's been the path of every one of my ancestors. 2559 02:39:11.334 --> 02:39:13.474 Dying is not something to run from. 2560 02:39:13.514 --> 02:39:15.155 Dying is something to embrace. 2561 02:39:15.335 --> 02:39:23.238 And if I really believe that dark demonic forces have got a hold

on our entire world and that I have a ticket out. 2562 02:39:24.815 --> 02:39:27.017 I don't know that I want to be here 500 years to watch that. 2563 02:39:27.978 --> 02:39:28.418 You know what I mean? 2564 02:39:28.978 --> 02:39:32.741 So anyway, I just think that dying is natural. 2565 02:39:32.841 --> 02:39:33.782 Dying is normal. 2566 02:39:34.022 --> 02:39:34.162 And, 2567 02:39:35.239 --> 02:39:40.904 It's weird to me, people who are not working on themselves spiritually want to live 500 years. 2568 02:39:41.064 --> 02:39:56.738 There's an interesting line about the end times in Revelation where it says that there's this point where things become so bad on the earth that people are hiding in caves wishing that the rocks would fall on them and wishing for death but death won't find them. 2569 02:39:57.525 --> 02:40:04.473 And it does make you wonder if it's talking about people who've chosen some kind of technology that extends their life because it says they literally cry out for death and death won't find them. 2570 02:40:05.094 --> 02:40:07.196 I don't know what that means, but it's weird. 2571 02:40:07.216 --> 02:40:09.779 Yeah, that's super interesting, man. 2572 02:40:09.979 --> 02:40:14.484 It's this month of June is men's mental health month. 2573 02:40:16.266 --> 02:40:16.707 If you. 2574 02:40:18.338 --> 02:40:21.119 I've had a couple of men. 2575 02:40:21.199 --> 02:40:24.501 I didn't know them personally, but they committed suicide. 2576 02:40:24.901 --> 02:40:30.723 Like a neighbor over at this house, someone in town, someone my wife knew. 2577 02:40:31.123 --> 02:40:35.945 And I hear a lot of content on this topic right now. 2578 02:40:36.326 --> 02:40:43.929 And if a man is struggling out there and he's listening into this podcast because we had a lot of men's work coaches and coaches. 2579 02:40:44.729 --> 02:40:47.710 experts on this show, what would you suggest for them? 2580 02:40:47.870 --> 02:40:51.952 Well, I want to first say this is like a little outside my area of expertise. 2581 02:40:51.992 --> 02:41:00.676 So I don't know if anything I have to say is of value here, but tantra, Christianity, like everything we're talking about. 2582 02:41:01.176 --> 02:41:03.397 I've lost a lot of people to suicide personally. 2583 02:41:03.617 --> 02:41:13.522 And it's a hard thing because there's part of me that has like sort of a sense of awe and respect about it because you're like, man, that's, I don't know that I would have 2584 02:41:15.059 --> 02:41:18.020 You know, like to step into the unknown like that's pretty intense. 2585 02:41:18.240 --> 02:41:23.321 I have been watching what's happening up in Canada with the MAID program, which is government-assisted suicide. 2586 02:41:23.821 --> 02:41:26.641 It's becoming one of the leading causes of death in Canada. 2587 02:41:26.681 --> 02:41:30.142 And I actually went and observed one, actually. 2588 02:41:30.162 --> 02:41:31.082 I was invited to. 2589 02:41:31.962 --> 02:41:33.183 It was a very powerful experience. 2590 02:41:33.523 --> 02:41:41.244 But one thing that I've learned about suicide from having been around it is how much it harms everyone is victimized by it. 2591 02:41:42.565 --> 02:41:43.765 You know, everybody's... 2592 02:41:44.832 --> 02:41:53.454 there was a suicide in my life a few years ago, and it just blew up a whole group of friends, you know, who are all, we're all very close, and it was just, like, devastating to everybody. 2593 02:41:53.855 --> 02:41:57.135 And none of us have ever, the group never recovered. 2594 02:41:57.496 --> 02:41:57.996 You know what I mean? 2595 02:41:58.176 --> 02:42:03.377 So that's the first thing I want to say is, like, I think sometimes people think, oh, the world would just be better without me. 2596 02:42:03.397 --> 02:42:05.938 And it's like, no, it's actually going to be worse without you. 2597 02:42:06.178 --> 02:42:07.778 Like, it's going to be way worse. 2598 02:42:07.938 --> 02:42:11.619 The people you love and care about, like, they're going to be harmed by this. 2599 02:42:12.040 --> 02:42:12.960 So it's a... 2600 02:42:13.780 --> 02:42:20.745 like get out of your selfishness for a second and know you're in pain, but like get out of your selfishness for a second and don't do that to the people around you. 2601 02:42:20.965 --> 02:42:27.850 Second, if you haven't tried a whole bunch of things, then cause people love to say like, I've tried everything and you're like, yeah, you've tried like three things. 2602 02:42:27.910 --> 02:42:29.191 Like you have not tried everything. 2603 02:42:29.971 --> 02:42:33.914 And so here's some things that I think could be, could be helpful. 2604 02:42:34.154 --> 02:42:38.197 One is like, if you haven't tried fasting away from technology and, 2605 02:42:39.687 --> 02:42:43.108 then you don't even know what your baseline is like and it might not be as bad as you think. 2606 02:42:43.308 --> 02:42:54.691 Second, if you're consuming pornography, I mean, this is again, not an area of expertise for me, but it's something that I gave up many years ago and I can't believe how much of it there is and how constant it is. 2607 02:42:54.932 --> 02:43:00.933 And it's so bad for your soul, but you get to where you think it's normal to use it all the time. 2608 02:43:01.714 --> 02:43:06.035 And what it's doing, the corruption that it's creating in your spirit is so severe. 2609 02:43:06.875 --> 02:43:14.921 that if you feel suicidal, but you haven't gotten away from that yet and sought help for that, you don't even know what your baseline is. 2610 02:43:15.982 --> 02:43:29.713 If you're on psychoactive pharmaceutical drugs and you haven't tried sunlight, clean water, clean food, that's another one where it's like, man, those things radically alter your outlook on things. 2611 02:43:29.813 --> 02:43:33.576 If you haven't tried retuning your circadian rhythm to the earth, 2612 02:43:34.399 --> 02:43:40.443 like getting up with

the sun and going outside early in the morning and watching some sunsets and things like that. 2613 02:43:41.063 --> 02:43:43.345 You know, that's like another major component of it. 2614 02:43:43.385 --> 02:43:49.048 I think for young people, it's often has to do with, you know, their relationships and, and, or lack of relationships. 2615 02:43:49.068 --> 02:43:51.490 And so I think that's another major component. 2616 02:43:51.570 --> 02:43:56.433 It's like, you really need to talk to people and that's like the hardest thing to do when you're suffering sometimes. 2617 02:43:56.973 --> 02:44:01.276 you know, but I think it's really important that you talk to some people. 2618 02:44:01.317 --> 02:44:09.563 And then ultimately I've been, I know I'm a repeating machine here, but if you haven't tried Jesus, let's like, if you're willing to kill yourself, you're willing to kill yourself. 2619 02:44:09.869 --> 02:44:17.936 man, I think, you know, maybe it's worth, maybe just give it a run, you know, because he's, I just never seen him let anyone down. 2620 02:44:18.076 --> 02:44:20.518 You know, people will walk away from him sometimes. 2621 02:44:20.698 --> 02:44:35.870 But, but like I said, with Kanye, I mean, we saw it and, you know, it says this thing, Jesus tells this, this thing to the disciples at one point, he says, like, when you cast a demon out of somebody, the demon goes to arid places, places where he doesn't say this, but he implies 2622 02:44:39.168 --> 02:44:48.573 right, they come back and if they find the house swept and clean but open, they'll bring seven demons worse than them and then the person's conditions even worse. 2623 02:44:48.653 --> 02:44:57.939 In other words, if that person is a clean, empty house, they haven't like then let Jesus in to fill that space and there's a void still, the demons come back worse. 2624 02:44:58.139 --> 02:45:01.741 And I think that's what we see with someone like Kanye where it's like, oh man, I mean, he just went... 2625 02:45:02.490 --> 02:45:05.313 it looks worse to me now than it did before, you know? 2626 02:45:05.574 --> 02:45:16.447 And I just think like, you, you know, if you're wanting to kill yourself, I think personally it's because you're being afflicted by spiritual forces beyond your, beyond our perception. 2627 02:45:16.667 --> 02:45:16.887 And, uh, 2628 02:45:17.808 --> 02:45:27.372 that means you need spiritual intervention, you know, not just like mental health intervention, but I think spiritual intervention and the great physician, Jesus is a great physician. 2629 02:45:27.552 --> 02:45:33.455 And so I think give him a try because, you know, he'll kick them out and move in and life gets real, real good at that point. 2630 02:45:34.649 --> 02:45:48.858 Yeah, I'm happy that I asked you this question and hearing about your own experience with watching people getting assisted suicides and having people nearby also going through that experience. 2631 02:45:49.058 --> 02:45:49.478

For me... 2632 02:45:50.699 --> 02:45:58.543 Having that perspective from the Islamic tradition that if you commit suicide, you're going to go straight to hell. 2633 02:45:59.643 --> 02:46:04.705 That hasn't even been a thought for me ever in my life. 2634 02:46:04.945 --> 02:46:07.527 Suicide has never been a thought for you or the idea that you... 2635 02:46:20.012 --> 02:46:26.134 I think I've been really lucky in taking care of myself spiritually a bit. 2636 02:46:26.334 --> 02:46:27.794 I'm still figuring things out. 2637 02:46:28.694 --> 02:46:29.915 Well, we all are, yeah. 2638 02:46:29.935 --> 02:46:31.135 We all are. 2639 02:46:31.535 --> 02:46:37.337 But just being healthy, being surrounded with the great people and not listening to... 2640 02:46:38.691 --> 02:46:45.855 Bad music, like I loved rap growing up, stopped listening to rap, and that had a major impact on my mental health. 2641 02:46:46.195 --> 02:46:46.935 You get it, dude. 2642 02:46:47.195 --> 02:46:53.718 And detoxing, as you said, from social media, don't have it on your phone. 2643 02:46:54.479 --> 02:47:05.364 Like Timothy Ferris says, like having social media on your phone is like being a crack addict and having crack in front of you and you're trying to say no to the crack. 2644 02:47:06.325 --> 02:47:07.125 It's not going to work. 2645 02:47:08.660 --> 02:47:08.960 I agree. 2646 02:47:09.561 --> 02:47:09.901 Yeah. 2647 02:47:10.121 --> 02:47:15.024 And so that's for the men out there struggling with mental health. 2648 02:47:15.384 --> 02:47:19.646 And I also believe that it's a huge part of it is spiritual. 2649 02:47:21.227 --> 02:47:22.648 Yeah, me too. 2650 02:47:22.668 --> 02:47:34.975 Because like during the one friend that I saw had the most issues with just life, like his existence just felt frustrated and rigid. 2651 02:47:36.056 --> 02:47:37.177 He didn't believe in anything. 2652 02:47:37.915 --> 02:47:39.356 It was just, there's nothing. 2653 02:47:39.837 --> 02:47:40.857 Nihilism, that's called. 2654 02:47:41.097 --> 02:47:41.758 Nihilism. 2655 02:47:42.098 --> 02:47:44.820 Which, where we get the word annihilate, like nothingness. 2656 02:47:44.860 --> 02:47:46.762 Yeah, like nothingness. 2657 02:47:47.588 --> 02:47:49.410 Well, that's what's been taught to us, though. 2658 02:47:49.430 --> 02:47:50.110 That's the thing. 2659 02:47:50.150 --> 02:47:56.416 It's like, that's the problem with the current ontological model that we're living in. 2660 02:47:57.157 --> 02:47:59.619 It's the whole idea is that there's no purpose. 2661 02:47:59.799 --> 02:48:01.141 There's no meaning. 2662 02:48:01.381 --> 02:48:03.203 It's all a random occurrence. 2663 02:48:03.583 --> 02:48:05.385 Something exploded and this happened. 2664 02:48:05.425 --> 02:48:08.488 And if it hadn't happened, it could have gone a different way, but it went this way. 2665 02:48:08.508 --> 02:48:09.348 And that's why you're here. 2666 02:48:10.069 --> 02:48:11.450 And there's no purpose to it. 2667 02:48:12.551 --> 02:48:13.472 And there's no meaning. 2668 02:48:13.753 --> 02:48:15.134 And that's never existed before. 2669 02:48:15.154 --> 02:48:17.896 It's a radically new philosophy and religion. 2670 02:48:18.037 --> 02:48:19.438 It's completely new. 2671 02:48:20.118 --> 02:48:32.290 And when you look at the fruit of it, the fruit of that mindset, so you have this mindset of nihilism, and then the fruits of it are all these things that we're talking about that have evolved out of it that are so bad for us. 2672 02:48:33.455 --> 02:48:41.379 You know, the iPhone was created, the technology that we're talking about was all of this stuff was created from that worldview, right? 2673 02:48:41.419 --> 02:48:44.420 That like there's no purpose except human progress. 2674 02:48:44.460 --> 02:48:45.740 That's the only thing to do. 2675 02:48:45.941 --> 02:48:52.023 And that idea leaves people with a sense of there's just no importance to anything that they do. 2676 02:48:52.243 --> 02:48:58.866 And I also think that if you pursue what this world is offering, it leaves you pretty empty at the end of the day. 2677 02:48:58.886 --> 02:49:00.267 I mean, how important. 2678 02:49:00.487 --> 02:49:06.191 cliche is the story of a person on their deathbed realizing all those extra hours I worked didn't mean anything. 2679 02:49:06.271 --> 02:49:10.614 All that chasing of wealth or status or prestige, none of that matters. 2680 02:49:11.115 --> 02:49:14.977 All that matters is the love that I have with my family and the purpose that I lived with. 2681 02:49:15.017 --> 02:49:16.018 That's what's important. 2682 02:49:16.038 --> 02:49:20.661 So if people could get back in touch with that, I mean, how different would we live? 2683 02:49:21.022 --> 02:49:23.864 Again, it's so sad that somebody would take their life. 2684 02:49:23.944 --> 02:49:25.485 I said I went to a medically assisted suicide. 2685 02:49:25.545 --> 02:49:28.027 I should say that person was over 90 years old. 2686 02:49:28.187 --> 02:49:29.488 So this was not 2687 02:49:30.008 --> 02:49:38.818 Maybe was he suffering from, I think what happened was he was at a point in his life where all the people he was friends with had died. 2688 02:49:40.099 --> 02:49:44.424 And he was starting to feel like he was a burden on his children who were taking care of him. 2689 02:49:44.624 --> 02:49:48.348 And that feels so different to me than a young person. 2690 02:49:48.368 --> 02:49:50.270 Cause you know, like everything, right. 2691 02:49:50.290 --> 02:49:50.930 It's like neural link. 2692 02:49:51.798 --> 02:49:53.139 Neuralink's like, no thanks. 2693 02:49:53.419 --> 02:49:57.601 But they're like, yeah, but people who are blind and you're like, well, that does sound good. 2694 02:49:57.641 --> 02:49:59.742 Or what about people who are paralyzed? 2695 02:49:59.762 --> 02:50:00.362 Like it could help them. 2696 02:50:00.382 --> 02:50:03.044 You're like, well, that's too, but that's not what

it's going to be for. 2697 02:50:03.810 --> 02:50:08.213 Yeah, that's going to be the first thing, but then they're going to roll it out on regular people, right? 2698 02:50:08.893 --> 02:50:10.114 The medical assisted suicide. 2699 02:50:10.134 --> 02:50:14.317 You're like, well, what about somebody who's 92 and they are a burden on their family? 2700 02:50:14.457 --> 02:50:19.019 You're like, okay, well, like what if they're 82? 2701 02:50:19.220 --> 02:50:20.620 What if they're 16? 2702 02:50:21.221 --> 02:50:29.106 What if they, you know, and now you're hearing these things out of Canada where like young people are trying to get medically assisted suicides without their parents' permission. 2703 02:50:29.286 --> 02:50:29.726 You know what I mean? 2704 02:50:29.746 --> 02:50:30.867 Where you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. 2705 02:50:31.187 --> 02:50:48.768 this is not what I signed up for you know it's gonna go there it's obviously gonna go there we changed some weird rules here in Sweden where now you can find 13 year old boys and girls in jail that's not legal how old? 2706 02:50:49.609 --> 02:50:50.050 13. 2707 02:50:50.070 --> 02:50:51.191 Oh, wow. 2708 02:50:52.052 --> 02:50:53.674 That's just recent. 2709 02:50:54.655 --> 02:50:55.576 Yeah, man. 2710 02:50:55.616 --> 02:51:03.586 There's so many crazy changes in the law that's happened in Sweden since the pandemic and that are not public. 2711 02:51:04.641 --> 02:51:05.961 Yeah. 2712 02:51:06.662 --> 02:51:08.682 If you can't zoom out and see what's happening. 2713 02:51:08.722 --> 02:51:09.883 I mean, I don't know how to help you. 2714 02:51:09.903 --> 02:51:15.165 It's like, if you can't zoom, like, you know, there's this idea that I picked up from a workflow management system, getting things done. 2715 02:51:15.285 --> 02:51:17.666 You know, that I don't know if you remember GTD. 2716 02:51:17.726 --> 02:51:17.906 Yeah. 2717 02:51:17.986 --> 02:51:19.766 There was language in there that really stuck with me. 2718 02:51:19.826 --> 02:51:23.828 One of them was, he would talk about like the work you're doing today is like the runway. 2719 02:51:23.848 --> 02:51:23.948 Yeah. 2720 02:51:24.428 --> 02:51:26.970 And then like maybe the week plan is 10,000 feet. 2721 02:51:27.090 --> 02:51:29.852 And then, you know, the month plan is 20,000 feet. 2722 02:51:29.892 --> 02:51:35.277 And it's like that idea of like zooming out to, you know, your year, that's 50,000 feet or whatever, your life plan. 2723 02:51:36.217 --> 02:51:36.678 It's like that. 2724 02:51:36.798 --> 02:51:47.626 It's like zoom, when you zoom, like when your face is right in the headlines and you're right in all the social media and you're just getting, you know, emotionally manipulated by every kind of different thing by the algorithms. 2725 02:51:48.187 --> 02:51:49.748 And then you zoom out for a sec. 2726 02:51:49.788 --> 02:51:52.911 You're like, we're blindly walking into total enslavement. 2727 02:51:53.733 --> 02:51:55.155 We're actually blindly walking in. 2728 02:51:55.375 --> 02:51:56.517 I'm going to do a podcast soon. 2729 02:51:56.537 --> 02:52:04.128 I want to, have you ever seen any of these Venn diagrams where it'll be like, you're here in the middle and it'll be a bunch of overlapping circles and it'll be movies, right? 2730 02:52:04.168 --> 02:52:05.050 Dystopian movies. 2731 02:52:05.110 --> 02:52:07.113 I love this where it's like the, I saw one the other day. 2732 02:52:07.133 --> 02:52:07.814 It was the matrix. 2733 02:52:07.834 --> 02:52:07.934 Yeah. 2734 02:52:08.835 --> 02:52:10.296 Terminator and Idiocracy. 2735 02:52:10.316 --> 02:52:11.137 And it's like, you're here. 2736 02:52:11.157 --> 02:52:12.318 Idiocracy. 2737 02:52:12.338 --> 02:52:13.199 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 2738 02:52:13.759 --> 02:52:16.262 Everybody should see that movie. 2739 02:52:16.542 --> 02:52:18.544 Yeah, it's a crucial viewing. 2740 02:52:18.744 --> 02:52:24.489 But so I'm going to do one on all the dystopian movies that I think kind of like help to paint a picture of what's happening. 2741 02:52:24.549 --> 02:52:27.552 Soylent Green is this really old movie with Charlton Heston. 2742 02:52:28.132 --> 02:52:50.848 where it's like a it's the world we're heading into where everybody's poor and it's become like third world everywhere and food is super scarce and if you can get a piece of meat some gross little tiny piece of meat it's like a huge big deal because there's no meat around and this movie's made it's got to be made in the 60s what was the name of the movie soylent green soylent green 2743 02:52:51.247 --> 02:52:57.553 And through, spoiler alert, because through the whole movie, the food that they eat, the main thing they eat is called Soylent Green. 2744 02:52:57.593 --> 02:53:00.175 It's this like little green, I don't know, energy bar thing. 2745 02:53:00.535 --> 02:53:01.636 This is all before energy bars. 2746 02:53:01.656 --> 02:53:07.522 But anyway, when you get to a certain age, you go to do this like ceremony and no one ever sees you again. 2747 02:53:08.022 --> 02:53:13.048 Well, like what's ends up happening is that they're taking people and killing them and then turning them into food and feeding them back. 2748 02:53:13.068 --> 02:53:14.810 They are soiling green is people. 2749 02:53:15.671 --> 02:53:18.975 And the movie ends with this famous scene where Charlton Heston's running through the street. 2750 02:53:18.995 --> 02:53:21.658 He's found out and he's screaming, soiling green is people. 2751 02:53:21.938 --> 02:53:22.599 It's people. 2752 02:53:22.679 --> 02:53:25.422 You don't like that old theatrical cell acting of the day. 2753 02:53:25.482 --> 02:53:25.743 Yeah. 2754 02:53:26.900 --> 02:53:38.089 But in that, it's like, rather than letting you be a drain on the system, they kill you, you know, like they, in a nice way, but they off you because, so, so you can kind of see what's happening here. 2755 02:53:38.149 --> 02:53:46.515 You

know, another thing that I was talking about recently was how I, the only people I know with big families primarily are Christians. 2756 02:53:46.795 --> 02:53:52.140 So, you know, two of our best friend, family, family, best friends, I should say, families that are close to us. 2757 02:53:52.320 --> 02:53:53.681 One of them, they have five kids. 2758 02:53:53.701 --> 02:53:54.722 The other one, they have six kids. 2759 02:53:55.735 --> 02:53:58.017 And they just see children as a blessing. 2760 02:53:59.098 --> 02:54:03.142 But then I go around into like people who aren't, you know, on that path. 2761 02:54:03.182 --> 02:54:08.847 And it's like, they might have one kid or maybe two kids, very rarely a third kid. 2762 02:54:09.187 --> 02:54:10.769 A lot of us have no kids. 2763 02:54:11.870 --> 02:54:13.712 And what you realize pretty fast is like, 2764 02:54:15.007 --> 02:54:18.749 how we're depopulating, we're actually committing species suicide. 2765 02:54:18.829 --> 02:54:28.775 So if I often say this, if there was another animal, another charismatic animal, like a bear or a whale or a ape, like a gorilla, that, 2766 02:54:29.192 --> 02:54:38.655 And that animal was addicted to mobile phones, was addicted to poisonous food, was injecting itself with all kinds of toxins. 2767 02:54:38.855 --> 02:54:47.158 If its sperm count was dropping 10% per year, if its fertility rate had gone from an average in 1800, the average woman in America had six kids. 2768 02:54:47.739 --> 02:54:50.199 Today, the average person has 1.87. 2769 02:54:50.219 --> 02:54:51.640 The average woman has 1.87 kids. 2770 02:54:51.980 --> 02:54:56.642 If you saw this in another species, it would be like a worldwide, we need to save that animal. 2771 02:54:56.662 --> 02:54:57.422 Yeah. 2772 02:54:57.622 --> 02:54:58.783 But we're doing it to ourselves. 2773 02:54:58.843 --> 02:55:00.304 It's species suicide. 2774 02:55:00.344 --> 02:55:03.907 We've been convinced, you know, everybody's been convinced to have dogs instead of kids. 2775 02:55:03.927 --> 02:55:05.068 It's like, this is wild. 2776 02:55:05.648 --> 02:55:08.811 You know, we're basically offing ourselves as a species. 2777 02:55:09.051 --> 02:55:16.877 And this whole idea of like children being able to kill themselves, children being able to sterilize themselves, that's like another one, right? 2778 02:55:16.937 --> 02:55:24.463 So since we started to have this new part of the sexual revolution, which was like gender based ideology stuff, and now you have... 2779 02:55:25.808 --> 02:55:32.311 children basically chemically castrating themselves even without their parents knowing about it in some cases, right? 2780 02:55:32.431 --> 02:55:34.492 Is it legal now in the States? 2781 02:55:34.652 --> 02:55:38.194 I find all this very confusing what's legal and where different things are legal. 2782 02:55:38.214 --> 02:55:44.937 So I don't speak to that, but yeah, it seems like in some certain States, like your parents don't get to necessarily step in on this. 2783 02:55:45.237 --> 02:55:46.778 In fact, you can be taken from your parents. 2784 02:55:46.798 --> 02:55:49.079 So, but I don't follow it enough. 2785 02:55:49.119 --> 02:55:52.161 So don't quote me on that, but yeah, we're seeing that, 2786 02:55:53.294 --> 02:56:03.882 When you have parents advocating for their children to sterilize themselves, either surgically or chemically, you know, again, we've lost the plot. 2787 02:56:03.942 --> 02:56:05.864 We've lost track of history. 2788 02:56:05.904 --> 02:56:11.348 All through history, you wanted your children to be fruitful and multiply, right? 2789 02:56:12.089 --> 02:56:16.252 To spread your genes and to continue your family line. 2790 02:56:16.853 --> 02:56:17.973 Now you have parents... 2791 02:56:18.754 --> 02:56:46.800 in the streets protesting to have their kids castrated it's like wow we're we're we need to zoom out and look at the big picture and it's like oh we're marching into all the dystopian movies it's part terminator it's part idiocracy it's part matrix it's part soylent green that's part dark city it's like i could go on and on all the dark dystopian movies there's elements of all of them 1984 brave new world we're doing all of this stuff to ourselves 2792 02:56:47.767 --> 02:56:49.108 And we're like, it's progress. 2793 02:56:50.329 --> 02:56:57.695 And like we, you know that principle that like that the occultists can't do a thing without first telling you that they're doing it. 2794 02:56:57.975 --> 02:56:59.536 That's the whole Dracula thing. 2795 02:56:59.556 --> 02:57:01.138 Like the vampire can't come in. 2796 02:57:01.518 --> 02:57:02.659 What's that rule called? 2797 02:57:02.739 --> 02:57:03.680 It's called something. 2798 02:57:04.585 --> 02:57:05.746 I don't know what it's called. 2799 02:57:06.387 --> 02:57:13.913 Yeah, I heard that it has a name, that the occult need to show you what they're doing to you. 2800 02:57:14.634 --> 02:57:16.855 I would love it if you find that name to send that over to me. 2801 02:57:16.875 --> 02:57:18.377 I would like to see that. 2802 02:57:18.997 --> 02:57:26.263 But yeah, so through predictive programming in the movie industry, through the music, it's been shown to us exactly what's going on. 2803 02:57:27.064 --> 02:57:31.827 And we are not just doing it, but we're all racing toward it. 2804 02:57:31.847 --> 02:57:32.847 We're all running to it. 2805 02:57:32.867 --> 02:57:34.208 We're all embracing it. 2806 02:57:34.688 --> 02:57:38.331 You know, it's like if you've seen 2001, A Space Odyssey. 2807 02:57:38.731 --> 02:57:39.591 I haven't seen it. 2808 02:57:39.611 --> 02:57:44.854 You know, in the movie, there's an AI and the AI takes control of the ship. 2809 02:57:45.114 --> 02:57:47.756 And, you know, the guy's trying to be like, you know, it's called Hal. 2810 02:57:47.796 --> 02:57:49.417 And he's like, Hal, I need you to open the door. 2811 02:57:49.437 --> 02:57:50.818 And it's

like, I can't do that. 2812 02:57:51.618 --> 02:57:55.181 So many movies have that and that freaks me out. 2813 02:57:56.022 --> 02:57:56.662 Yeah, man. 2814 02:57:57.022 --> 02:57:58.243 Yeah, dude. 2815 02:57:58.283 --> 02:58:00.925 Having a Tesla would never get an electric vehicle. 2816 02:58:01.466 --> 02:58:06.530 Yeah, or like in 2027, all the cars here have to have a driver monitoring system in them. 2817 02:58:07.602 --> 02:58:10.063 And so you're being watched constantly by the car. 2818 02:58:10.083 --> 02:58:14.185 And if the car detects, see something I try to tell people, these new cars aren't cars. 2819 02:58:14.245 --> 02:58:15.506 They're transport robots. 2820 02:58:16.166 --> 02:58:16.927 It's a difference. 2821 02:58:17.587 --> 02:58:18.527 You're not in control of it. 2822 02:58:18.547 --> 02:58:24.710 It's a robot that has room for people to get inside, but it's not a car in the traditional sense. 2823 02:58:24.870 --> 02:58:30.953 But they also have a pretty hard argument to argue against is that they will be safer. 2824 02:58:31.013 --> 02:58:34.075 Statistically, they will be safer than human driven cars. 2825 02:58:34.095 --> 02:58:34.255 Yeah. 2826 02:58:34.315 --> 02:58:34.775 Yeah, man. 2827 02:58:34.795 --> 02:58:45.302 It's like, I remember when I was younger, I was traveling in Thailand and I remember going to a zoo and I remember being like blown away because they're like a saltwater crock and there was like a three foot wall. 2828 02:58:45.882 --> 02:58:48.464 And I was like, man, I could just get in there with that crock if I wanted. 2829 02:58:49.004 --> 02:58:54.888 That's so crazy because where I live, that would not be possible because everything's been made soft and safe. 2830 02:58:55.409 --> 02:59:00.132 And that's made us all sloppy and lazy and weak because everything's so safe, right? 2831 02:59:00.212 --> 02:59:01.873 So the idea that you could... 2832 02:59:02.573 --> 02:59:05.075 means like, yeah, you can, you want to do it, do it. 2833 02:59:05.495 --> 02:59:06.396 No, one's going to stop you. 2834 02:59:06.416 --> 02:59:07.637 Get in there with it if you want. 2835 02:59:07.917 --> 02:59:08.078 Right. 2836 02:59:08.098 --> 02:59:10.059 It's like, is safety the ultimate thing? 2837 02:59:10.079 --> 02:59:13.362 Should we, should we always optimize for safety? 2838 02:59:13.502 --> 02:59:17.405 Cause if we do, you're not going to be able to move, right? 2839 02:59:17.425 --> 02:59:20.208 Like you can't, like, it's not safe to cross the street. 2840 02:59:20.928 --> 02:59:22.730 It's not safe to like fly. 2841 02:59:22.910 --> 02:59:25.992 It's not safe to buy food from a store and you don't know where it came. 2842 02:59:26.012 --> 02:59:27.373 Like nothing's safe. 2843 02:59:27.433 --> 02:59:27.554 Like 2844 02:59:28.845 --> 02:59:38.051 The more you optimize for safety and remove risk, the weaker and stupider people become until eventually you're like a cow on a farm. 2845 02:59:38.151 --> 02:59:38.392 Right. 2846 02:59:38.472 --> 02:59:39.512 So, yeah. 2847 02:59:39.532 --> 02:59:40.333 Will it be safer? 2848 02:59:40.353 --> 02:59:40.753 Yeah. 2849 02:59:41.634 --> 02:59:45.116 But I think the real reason is because people want to be able to text while they drive. 2850 02:59:45.196 --> 02:59:45.396 Right. 2851 02:59:45.436 --> 02:59:47.038 That's like the real reason. 2852 02:59:47.138 --> 02:59:49.719 It's like so people can not pay attention anymore. 2853 02:59:50.080 --> 02:59:52.942 It's like one more thing you don't have to pay any more attention to. 2854 02:59:53.862 --> 02:59:54.062 Right. 2855 02:59:54.163 --> 02:59:54.463 Why? 2856 02:59:54.943 --> 03:00:01.370 So I can work more or something so I can text more so I can be more productive because all that we're doing is optimizing for productivity. 2857 03:00:01.630 --> 03:00:04.072 It doesn't actually make any sense. 2858 03:00:04.212 --> 03:00:06.355 So yeah, I get it. 2859 03:00:06.475 --> 03:00:12.521 I get that it'll be safer, but I don't necessarily think that that's the most important thing either. 2860 03:00:13.622 --> 03:00:13.822 You know? 2861 03:00:14.415 --> 03:00:14.695 Yeah. 2862 03:00:15.655 --> 03:00:18.676 And we, you mentioned gender dysmorphia. 2863 03:00:18.696 --> 03:00:21.557 You didn't say those words, but where do you think? 2864 03:00:21.577 --> 03:00:22.097 I didn't say that. 2865 03:00:22.117 --> 03:00:22.637 You said that. 2866 03:00:23.057 --> 03:00:23.678 I said that. 2867 03:00:23.938 --> 03:00:24.838 I'm getting canceled. 2868 03:00:24.918 --> 03:00:25.998 Okay. 2869 03:00:26.198 --> 03:00:27.459 Where do you think it stems from? 2870 03:00:27.519 --> 03:00:29.379 I think there's several things going on here. 2871 03:00:29.399 --> 03:00:32.960 I don't usually talk about this, so this is interesting. 2872 03:00:34.121 --> 03:00:35.221 I think part of it is a cult. 2873 03:00:36.690 --> 03:00:37.771 Well, let's say this. 2874 03:00:37.991 --> 03:00:45.537 What was very obvious to me from the beginning was that it was not a grassroots thing where it came from the public and worked its way up to policy. 2875 03:00:46.258 --> 03:00:47.198 It was very clear. 2876 03:00:47.238 --> 03:00:49.800 It started as policy and worked its way down to the public. 2877 03:00:49.820 --> 03:00:51.121 I mean, this was very clear. 2878 03:00:51.141 --> 03:00:51.442 Mm-hmm. 2879 03:00:52.363 --> 03:00:55.144 Like it was immediately like a government thing. 2880 03:00:55.204 --> 03:01:03.486 It wasn't like, think about, um, think about the people like fighting for, I don't know, organic food and like how long something like that takes. 2881 03:01:03.526 --> 03:01:05.306 And it's, it's got to brew forever. 2882 03:01:05.406 --> 03:01:17.129 And then eventually like you, you win a little ground and eventually you get like whole foods, but like, you know, it's like a slow, like this was just like all of a sudden one day top down, all the corporations were on board.

2883 03:01:17.169 --> 03:01:18.509 The government was on board and, 2884 03:01:19.089 --> 03:01:20.930 Like it was from the beginning, right? 2885 03:01:20.970 --> 03:01:23.491 So it was clearly top down, not bottom up. 2886 03:01:23.991 --> 03:01:25.391 So that tells you something, right? 2887 03:01:26.712 --> 03:01:30.513 The second component is, remember you asked me about Baphomet earlier. 2888 03:01:31.814 --> 03:01:32.394 Exactly. 2889 03:01:32.994 --> 03:01:35.715 Baphomet is an androgynous being. 2890 03:01:35.755 --> 03:01:37.195 So this gets into Kabbalah. 2891 03:01:37.395 --> 03:01:41.377 And Kabbalah is probably the foundational occultism. 2892 03:01:41.577 --> 03:01:46.979 It's the occult, like, if you dig into Freemasonry or Crowleyan, 2893 03:01:47.479 --> 03:01:51.341 you know, was his thing, theosophy, any of this kind of stuff. 2894 03:01:51.361 --> 03:01:55.384 Like if you dig in on occultism, you find that Kabbalah is like a major component of it. 2895 03:01:55.404 --> 03:01:57.985 And by the way, I mean, this is right to the top right now. 2896 03:01:58.045 --> 03:02:01.748 I mean, when you see these guys like Jared Kushner with a little red string around his wrist, 2897 03:02:02.468 --> 03:02:05.350 you know, you see Madonna with that little red string around her wrist. 2898 03:02:05.470 --> 03:02:06.050 That's a symbol. 2899 03:02:06.070 --> 03:02:11.794 Madonna has been open with her devotion to Kabbalah worships and stuff like that. 2900 03:02:11.974 --> 03:02:12.174 Right. 2901 03:02:12.414 --> 03:02:13.695 I mean, she's a Gentile. 2902 03:02:13.775 --> 03:02:25.423 So, I mean, I think she'll always be kind of an outsider to it, but, but yeah, so that's Jewish mysticism in that Kabbalah has become like the foundation of a lot of Satanism, occultism, Luciferianism, all this stuff. 2903 03:02:25.583 --> 03:02:27.464 And there's this idea that 2904 03:02:28.689 --> 03:02:33.250 the original, like before the world was corrupted, that people were androgynous. 2905 03:02:33.471 --> 03:02:35.371 So I think you have an occultic component. 2906 03:02:35.391 --> 03:02:38.532 You have that bath and that is an androgynous being. 2907 03:02:38.872 --> 03:02:40.173 So there's that, that component. 2908 03:02:40.353 --> 03:02:44.214 I think part of it comes from the push for population control. 2909 03:02:45.034 --> 03:02:50.876 So if you can get people to look like people who choose that lifestyle, many of them will never be able to reproduce. 2910 03:02:52.732 --> 03:02:56.155 So it's not just in the gender dysmorphia side. 2911 03:02:56.175 --> 03:03:02.219 I mean, it's much of the sexual revolution has led to that in multiple ways, people who aren't reproducing. 2912 03:03:02.559 --> 03:03:05.341 So I think part of it is that part of it is a desire to get. 2913 03:03:05.542 --> 03:03:09.284 See, like God says in the scriptures, he says, be fruitful and multiply. 2914 03:03:09.525 --> 03:03:12.086 So if there's an enemy of God, what's he going to want us to do? 2915 03:03:12.467 --> 03:03:13.708 Like the opposite. 2916 03:03:14.408 --> 03:03:14.688 Right. 2917 03:03:15.149 --> 03:03:17.872 To actually be unfruitful and not multiply. 2918 03:03:18.172 --> 03:03:18.432 Right. 2919 03:03:18.472 --> 03:03:24.218 So there's this desire to get us now to we've been convinced, you know, first thing you had to do is get prayer out of school. 2920 03:03:24.379 --> 03:03:27.942 Then you had to make like the idea of Christianity look goofy and stupid. 2921 03:03:28.563 --> 03:03:35.150 Then you had to make the, you know, step by step by step until you can get people to start to basically commit species suicide. 2922 03:03:36.415 --> 03:03:43.797 I mean, just, it took like 50 years or something, you know, it's, it's pretty impressive how it's been rolled out, you know, cause people will say this, you, you get this all the time. 2923 03:03:43.817 --> 03:03:53.679 I'm sure, you know, we'll be, if they sense that you are following any kind of like so-called conspiracies, which means to breathe together, you know, that people got close and right. 2924 03:03:54.140 --> 03:03:57.921 Which is like, I always say like every, you know, Walmart's a conspiracy, right? 2925 03:03:57.961 --> 03:04:01.521 Like if you work at Walmart, you don't know what they're talking about in the board meeting. 2926 03:04:01.982 --> 03:04:03.302 You just implement the plan. 2927 03:04:04.660 --> 03:04:04.840 Right. 2928 03:04:04.860 --> 03:04:06.482 You're the final stage of implementation. 2929 03:04:06.502 --> 03:04:10.867 The door greeter at Walmart does not know what the CEO is talking to the other executives about. 2930 03:04:11.067 --> 03:04:12.068 Is that a conspiracy? 2931 03:04:12.128 --> 03:04:13.469 No, it's just a hierarchy. 2932 03:04:13.890 --> 03:04:15.151 And that's how this all works too. 2933 03:04:15.171 --> 03:04:15.952 There's a hierarchy. 2934 03:04:15.972 --> 03:04:20.897 But if you look on the back of our dollar bill in the U S it's a pyramid with a break between the top. 2935 03:04:21.778 --> 03:04:25.942 In other words, the top is disconnected from the bottom of the pyramid. 2936 03:04:25.962 --> 03:04:26.723 Right. 2937 03:04:26.958 --> 03:04:30.820 No one knows the plan except those that were in that top pyramid, right? 2938 03:04:31.020 --> 03:04:33.001 Okay, so what was I just saying about that top pyramid? 2939 03:04:33.041 --> 03:04:35.783 And there's no pyramids in the States. 2940 03:04:36.163 --> 03:04:40.205 So it just makes it extra weird that they are on the... Well, yeah. 2941 03:04:40.225 --> 03:04:41.505 That was just my reflection. 2942 03:04:41.606 --> 03:04:41.966 Sorry. 2943 03:04:42.006 --> 03:04:43.687 A lot of Freemasonry in the United States. 2944 03:04:44.407 --> 03:04:48.449 Okay, so what was I just saying about that, though, about the top-down conspiracy? 2945 03:04:48.549 --> 03:04:49.830 Oh, people will say to you... 2946 03:04:51.320 --> 03:04:54.963 Well,

as if like there's a room where a bunch of people get together and decide this stuff. 2947 03:04:54.983 --> 03:04:59.226 It's like, no, of course, I'm not saying that because people be like, look, I've worked in government. 2948 03:04:59.266 --> 03:05:00.147 We're not that good. 2949 03:05:00.507 --> 03:05:01.268 It's sloppy. 2950 03:05:01.308 --> 03:05:01.949 It's bad. 2951 03:05:02.009 --> 03:05:03.710 Like it's how we can't keep secrets and all that. 2952 03:05:03.730 --> 03:05:05.552 It's like, I don't think it's people. 2953 03:05:05.712 --> 03:05:19.603 I think that there's an interdimensional non-human intelligence that's orchestrating this and that there's a lot of people who are acting out there and look like all these different groups who are acting out these different things aren't necessarily working together. 2954 03:05:19.643 --> 03:05:25.972 They're just doing, each one is following what they think is their own ideas and implementing their projects. 2955 03:05:26.112 --> 03:05:31.259 And they all cohere and work together to create this world domination program. 2956 03:05:31.279 --> 03:05:33.762 That's the freaky deaky part of it. 2957 03:05:33.822 --> 03:05:34.123 It's like. 2958 03:05:35.299 --> 03:05:38.101 You don't, it's not a human intelligence behind it. 2959 03:05:38.121 --> 03:05:39.662 It's not one guy at the top. 2960 03:05:40.142 --> 03:05:45.386 You have all these different groups and organizations, but, and they, some of them are battling each other. 2961 03:05:45.506 --> 03:05:47.768 Some of them are cooperating together. 2962 03:05:48.408 --> 03:05:55.233 Some of them are vying for control, but it still ends up being this very sophisticated top down relationship. 2963 03:05:55.313 --> 03:05:57.854 program that we've watched play out over our lifetimes. 2964 03:05:58.074 --> 03:06:02.997 And here we are at this point where, so the other thing, so there's one more component I'll bring up about it. 2965 03:06:03.057 --> 03:06:04.698 So we call it transgenderism. 2966 03:06:04.898 --> 03:06:09.801 And I think that that had to happen before we can do transhumanism. 2967 03:06:10.041 --> 03:06:12.142 So you see it as a stepping stone. 2968 03:06:12.582 --> 03:06:13.002 Yeah. 2969 03:06:13.262 --> 03:06:13.843 Oh yeah. 2970 03:06:14.443 --> 03:06:14.763 Yes. 2971 03:06:15.143 --> 03:06:15.824 Yes, I do. 2972 03:06:15.904 --> 03:06:18.565 I think that it brought in the language first. 2973 03:06:19.606 --> 03:06:23.948 So we got used to that idea of trans and then it came right before the AI stuff. 2974 03:06:23.968 --> 03:06:24.288 Yeah. 2975 03:06:25.223 --> 03:06:29.305 So it was like, first you accept trans, like at first it seemed radical and like hard to accept. 2976 03:06:29.665 --> 03:06:33.366 And then I started, you know, meeting transgender people, see transgender people everywhere. 2977 03:06:33.426 --> 03:06:38.648 I invited a transgender person to come stay at my house for a week to like understand their story

and hear about it. 2978 03:06:38.708 --> 03:06:40.549 And, and like, suddenly you're like, okay. 2979 03:06:40.569 --> 03:06:43.710 And you start to accept it and you're like, all right, this is just part of the world. 2980 03:06:43.750 --> 03:06:44.850 And then the next thing was AI. 2981 03:06:44.870 --> 03:06:47.891 And now what you're going to start hearing is like, what about AI rights? 2982 03:06:47.931 --> 03:06:49.292 And what about the rights of, right? 2983 03:06:49.312 --> 03:06:50.392 You're going to see that really quick. 2984 03:06:50.432 --> 03:06:52.493 Like, well, my agent, my AI agent. 2985 03:06:53.593 --> 03:06:54.433 Does it have rights? 2986 03:06:54.453 --> 03:07:06.077 And then when they're in robots, it's going to be really hard, especially because of decades now of predictive programming about compassionate, empathetic robots and little kids and, you know, their wild robots. 2987 03:07:06.177 --> 03:07:06.657 Whatever, right? 2988 03:07:07.097 --> 03:07:10.098 So then there's going to come this point of, should we merge? 2989 03:07:10.118 --> 03:07:11.018 Can we marry them? 2990 03:07:11.398 --> 03:07:12.538 Can you marry a robot? 2991 03:07:12.919 --> 03:07:15.519 How about, can I have kids with a robot? 2992 03:07:15.539 --> 03:07:16.800 Can I be part robot? 2993 03:07:16.820 --> 03:07:17.380 Should I be... 2994 03:07:18.000 --> 03:07:19.102 What if I implanted in me? 2995 03:07:19.142 --> 03:07:20.584 Now we're getting into transhumanism. 2996 03:07:20.744 --> 03:07:22.307 Well, what about transhuman rights? 2997 03:07:22.527 --> 03:07:24.830 Who, you know, what are, what's a human, right? 2998 03:07:24.850 --> 03:07:28.736 Like all this stuff has to come before because it'd be way too radical. 2999 03:07:28.957 --> 03:07:29.217 Yeah. 3000 03:07:29.718 --> 03:07:33.463 And again, I don't think that there's some like, um, 3001 03:07:34.670 --> 03:07:36.831 room full of drag queens cooking up this scheme. 3002 03:07:37.251 --> 03:07:38.331 That's not what I'm saying. 3003 03:07:38.711 --> 03:07:46.014 I think this comes from a much more, it's like in Lord of the Rings, it's not Saruman. 3004 03:07:46.134 --> 03:07:47.795 It's not the orcs. 3005 03:07:48.035 --> 03:07:49.455 It's not the goblins. 3006 03:07:49.675 --> 03:07:56.598 It's this interdimensional force called Sauron who doesn't even have a body, who's an all-seeing eye. 3007 03:07:58.359 --> 03:08:09.527 at the top of a tower, like on the back of the dollar bill, it's that all seeing eye that orchestrates this whole thing top down and no, any one individual can't see the whole picture. 3008 03:08:09.567 --> 03:08:11.428 They don't know what the whole picture is. 3009 03:08:11.668 --> 03:08:13.870 They're just playing out their role in it. 3010 03:08:14.570 --> 03:08:24.657 Just like, just like the military, every soldier at every level is just acting out their orders and they don't see how it all fits together, but it does all fit together. 3011 03:08:24.717 --> 03:08:26.718 So I think that... 3012 03:08:27.731 --> 03:08:31.354 What's happening right now is we're asking ourselves a lot of questions about like, what's a human? 3013 03:08:31.574 --> 03:08:32.715 What's a person? 3014 03:08:32.995 --> 03:08:35.897 What's how much can a person change themselves? 3015 03:08:35.977 --> 03:08:36.998 What's changeable? 3016 03:08:37.258 --> 03:08:48.446 And the other thing I want to bring, I guess there's one more piece, which is that as we go into the virtual world more, you'll have this ability to change your avatar constantly and identify, have different identities. 3017 03:08:48.627 --> 03:08:52.570 Because that was another major thing that came in with all of this was the idea of 3018 03:08:53.330 --> 03:08:55.071 like identities, everything, right? 3019 03:08:55.111 --> 03:08:56.773 Like how you identify. 3020 03:08:57.173 --> 03:09:03.137 And so it wasn't just whether somebody identifies as male or female, that was like just one component. 3021 03:09:03.157 --> 03:09:10.722 I mean, we had people identifying as furries and, you know, all kinds of like insect folk or whatever, like all these different things. 3022 03:09:10.742 --> 03:09:10.943 Right. 3023 03:09:11.403 --> 03:09:13.184 And so it was like, oh, all these different identities. 3024 03:09:13.224 --> 03:09:18.408 Well, one of the things is, is once we're in that metaverse environment, you'll be able to constantly change your identity. 3025 03:09:19.517 --> 03:09:19.778 right? 3026 03:09:19.798 --> 03:09:21.544 Like using different avatoms. 3027 03:09:21.564 --> 03:09:22.707 So I think it's going to be easy. 3028 03:09:23.088 --> 03:09:23.289 Yeah. 3029 03:09:23.329 --> 03:09:24.352 So I do think it's a, 3030 03:09:25.879 --> 03:09:30.361 a stepping stone towards the world we're heading into, just like every step before it. 3031 03:09:30.381 --> 03:09:35.744 You can just kind of watch and follow the steps backwards and kind of see how we got here one step at a time. 3032 03:09:35.964 --> 03:09:36.244 Yeah. 3033 03:09:36.505 --> 03:09:39.666 And you know another movie that we are living through right now? 3034 03:09:39.806 --> 03:09:44.149 That's the movie Her that came out 2012 with Shaq and Phoenix. 3035 03:09:45.369 --> 03:09:49.631 Terrible trailer to that movie, but the movie is epic. 3036 03:09:49.872 --> 03:09:51.332 One of the best movies I've ever seen. 3037 03:09:51.392 --> 03:09:53.694 But don't watch the trailer, just go watch the movie. 3038 03:09:54.714 --> 03:09:55.715 is phenomenal. 3039 03:09:55.815 --> 03:09:57.597 I mean, I want to spoil it, but I won't. 3040 03:09:57.838 --> 03:10:00.801 Yeah, you can spoil it, but go watch it. 3041 03:10:00.921 --> 03:10:06.448 Man, well, that one scene where he finally realizes he's like, wait, are you talking to anyone else right now? 3042 03:10:07.703 --> 03:10:08.584 Yeah, with AI. 3043 03:10:08.804 --> 03:10:10.866 Yeah, dude, that seems heavy duty for me. 3044 03:10:11.086 -->

03:10:12.367 Yeah, well, you're right. 3045 03:10:12.407 --> 03:10:13.088 That's another one. 3046 03:10:13.128 --> 03:10:16.350 I'll add that one onto my list because that one's very prescient. 3047 03:10:16.750 --> 03:10:18.052 Yeah, it's worth a rewatch. 3048 03:10:18.512 --> 03:10:19.453 Yeah, it's a good one. 3049 03:10:19.773 --> 03:10:23.516 And I want to know, what's the next step for you with the podcast? 3050 03:10:23.536 --> 03:10:28.760 Let us know what's going on because this is a long time coming for me. 3051 03:10:28.960 --> 03:10:32.083 I've been wanting, because your perspective is 3052 03:10:34.073 --> 03:10:34.694 mean a lot. 3053 03:10:35.054 --> 03:10:49.967 You were saying before that there are so many good podcasts out there and you don't know where your voice is going to match or blend or be unique in the big ocean of all the podcasts there. 3054 03:10:50.047 --> 03:10:53.790 But you got a big following from before and... 3055 03:10:56.433 --> 03:11:09.792 your perspective is so like I respect it so much because you have your feet on the ground literally like when some because I see the guys I hunt with 3056 03:11:10.653 --> 03:11:16.016 They are out so much in the forest that you can't bullshit them. 3057 03:11:16.397 --> 03:11:19.178 They are in connection with the real world. 3058 03:11:19.198 --> 03:11:34.888 So when I listen to Elon Musk in his press conference or when he goes on Joe Rogan, and I know that this guy, he spends majority of his time inside a cubicle or inside a factory, and he hasn't seen the sun for years. 3059 03:11:35.348 --> 03:11:37.529 For decades because he's so pale. 3060 03:11:37.549 --> 03:11:40.429 I was like, this is not a man to be trusted. 3061 03:11:41.849 --> 03:11:46.931 And talking about going to Mars when you don't even know what the dandelion is. 3062 03:11:48.491 --> 03:11:52.232 It's like for me, I can't get that math together. 3063 03:11:52.652 --> 03:11:54.372 I can't make sense of it. 3064 03:11:54.492 --> 03:11:57.953 That's why I think your voice is so important to have out there. 3065 03:11:58.538 --> 03:11:59.038 Thank you. 3066 03:11:59.098 --> 03:11:59.399 Yeah. 3067 03:11:59.519 --> 03:12:03.541 Well, also when you find out Werner von Braun wrote a book about a guy named Elon who took everyone to Mars. 3068 03:12:04.362 --> 03:12:11.686 Uh, but anyway, so yeah, well I do, I do look at the podcast space and go like, man, I hear a lot of people that I'm like, oh yeah, I agree with that. 3069 03:12:11.706 --> 03:12:12.087 I agree with that. 3070 03:12:12.107 --> 03:12:12.547 I agree with that. 3071 03:12:12.567 --> 03:12:14.028 And it's like my redundant voice. 3072 03:12:14.068 --> 03:12:15.209 So I appreciate what you just said. 3073 03:12:15.329 --> 03:12:16.149 And thank you. 3074 03:12:16.409 --> 03:12:16.569 Yeah. 3075 03:12:16.589 --> 03:12:19.111 Well, we're, I think by the time people hear this show, it's launched, man. 3076 03:12:19.131 --> 03:12:23.234 I mean, we put up the trailer the other day, so we're going to drop three episodes in the next 3077 03:12:25.395 --> 03:12:28.558 And that'll, you know, that'll be, then it'll be weekly on Tuesday mornings. 3078 03:12:28.718 --> 03:12:30.059 We'll put out shows. 3079 03:12:30.119 --> 03:12:34.442 And so the future for me looks like this, man, I'm getting very excited to start speaking again. 3080 03:12:34.462 --> 03:12:37.024 You know, I've done a couple of talks just locally lately. 3081 03:12:37.505 --> 03:12:42.909 I've been kind of like comedians, you know, they're always talking about how they need to like go out and prepare, you know, test their material. 3082 03:12:43.369 --> 03:12:43.589 Yeah. 3083 03:12:43.849 --> 03:12:50.355 And so I gave a talk the other day, it's just small, like 30 people, you know, just what's the topic about staying human in the age of the artificial. 3084 03:12:50.375 --> 03:12:50.915 All right. 3085 03:12:51.556 --> 03:12:55.139 And I go into, you know, how human domestication works. 3086 03:12:55.480 --> 03:13:00.344 And I love talking about whether, you know, this is a human farmer or a human zoo. 3087 03:13:00.404 --> 03:13:01.686 It's a very interesting topic. 3088 03:13:01.866 --> 03:13:05.690 And looking at where all this tech is as a lot of things we're talking about here. 3089 03:13:06.030 --> 03:13:07.972 But anyway, so I've got talks prepared. 3090 03:13:08.032 --> 03:13:12.957 So I'm looking forward to getting back out on the speaking circuit and then also doing, you know, the podcast. 3091 03:13:12.997 --> 03:13:15.780 And so, and I'm going to do a lot like I've done in the past. 3092 03:13:15.800 --> 03:13:27.511 You know, I have a lot of shows that are just health-based shows, you know, talking to people about, you know, taking care of yourself physically, because one of the things that I've noticed is conversations like this can leave people feeling like, well, what am I supposed to do? 3093 03:13:27.711 --> 03:13:27.952 You know? 3094 03:13:27.972 --> 03:13:28.032 And 3095 03:13:29.513 --> 03:13:32.634 I think like, well, what you do is like chop wood, carry water, right? 3096 03:13:32.654 --> 03:13:36.495 It's like you healthy food, you exercise, you drink clean water. 3097 03:13:36.515 --> 03:13:39.516 It's like, I want to make sure I'm giving like here, do this solution. 3098 03:13:39.556 --> 03:13:45.198 So it's going to be like half health kind of focus shows, whether that's physical or mental or emotional or spiritual health. 3099 03:13:45.819 --> 03:13:48.379 And then there's going to be, there's a lot of questions. 3100 03:13:48.499 --> 03:13:52.661 I'm like, there's a lot of, you know, you asked before, like, what's the most important conspiracy? 3101 03:13:52.681 --> 03:13:56.442 Like all of them, there's just a lot of stuff that now that it's all coming out, we're in 3102 03:13:59.223 --> 03:14:01.705 I don't know how long all this information will be accessible. 3103 03:14:01.906 -->

03:14:03.447 It's not like it's all in the library, right? 3104 03:14:03.467 --> 03:14:04.248 It's all online. 3105 03:14:04.328 --> 03:14:06.330 So it can be vacuumed away pretty fast. 3106 03:14:06.510 --> 03:14:11.074 So while we can talk about all this stuff, I want to explore a lot of it as well. 3107 03:14:11.535 --> 03:14:19.803 And then, yeah, the spiritual component, I think I've been surprised that almost everyone I talk to has some kind of relationship to Jesus. 3108 03:14:19.823 --> 03:14:20.163 Yeah. 3109 03:14:20.642 --> 03:14:28.527 You know, whether it's someone like you where you're like, yeah, you know, I mean, I've been flirting around this topic and I, you know, here's the Muslim perspective and here's the Christian perspective. 3110 03:14:28.567 --> 03:14:30.849 And, you know, but it's not like you're like, who's Jesus? 3111 03:14:30.889 --> 03:14:39.655 You know, I've been finding it really interesting that just about everybody I know has many of the people I've talked to have some kind of a interesting relationship. 3112 03:14:40.055 --> 03:14:41.717 And I want to explore that because I don't. 3113 03:14:42.835 --> 03:14:47.440 think that the evangelical American churches are like really offering people quite what they're looking for. 3114 03:14:47.881 --> 03:14:50.183 And so I'm interested in hearing about that side too. 3115 03:14:50.223 --> 03:14:51.945 So that'll be a component woven through. 3116 03:14:51.965 --> 03:14:53.587 It won't be the theme, but it'll be woven through. 3117 03:14:53.627 --> 03:14:58.792 And yeah, I'm just excited to be back out there because after six years of being on cable, I just felt like no one was hearing me. 3118 03:14:59.413 --> 03:15:04.860 you know, except, except basically 65 year and older hunters who watched outdoor channel. 3119 03:15:05.180 --> 03:15:10.787 And then like the handful of people who wanted to support me and found the show, but, but otherwise it was hard to send people to cable. 3120 03:15:10.807 --> 03:15:13.791 And so I'm just, I'm thrilled to be getting back out there. 3121 03:15:13.831 --> 03:15:18.477 So a lot of content will start dropping, you know, by the time this show is out. 3122 03:15:18.837 --> 03:15:19.197 Yeah. 3123 03:15:19.657 --> 03:15:21.237 And I'm one of those supporters. 3124 03:15:21.538 --> 03:15:24.618 And I thought it was like super hard to find the outdoor channel. 3125 03:15:24.638 --> 03:15:24.918 It was. 3126 03:15:25.038 --> 03:15:40.201 Because I thought it was like a great time for me and the kids to watch something that is like for us to just see someone being out in nature and what we can go out in our own garden and our own forest and try to forage together because that is what I try to do with my kids. 3127 03:15:40.381 --> 03:15:47.523 Maybe watch a bushcroft video that's ASMR on YouTube and then we go out and try to do the same. 3128 03:15:48.883 --> 03:15:49.964 So I love that. 3129 03:15:50.144 --> 03:15:53.387 And what is the

podcast going to be called? 3130 03:15:53.948 --> 03:15:55.009 The Daniel Vitalis Show. 3131 03:15:55.549 --> 03:16:01.655 And I had all these killer names, you know, but every one of them felt like they were going to limit the content. 3132 03:16:01.995 --> 03:16:05.078 And that's the thing I had done in the past. 3133 03:16:05.098 --> 03:16:11.004 So Rewild Yourself, there was times where I'd want to do a show and I'd be like, it doesn't really fit with the theme or Wildfed was like that. 3134 03:16:11.164 --> 03:16:13.967 And so I don't want to ever feel like there's something that doesn't fit. 3135 03:16:14.487 --> 03:16:15.467 And so I can't talk about it. 3136 03:16:15.687 --> 03:16:20.749 So I let go of a lot of, you know, I'm sort of known for coming up, you know, my business is Sir Thrival. 3137 03:16:20.769 --> 03:16:21.909 My show is Wild Fed. 3138 03:16:21.949 --> 03:16:23.149 My rewild yourself. 3139 03:16:23.649 --> 03:16:30.691 I love to like make words and create concepts, you know, I've done that through my whole career going back to 30 years ago. 3140 03:16:30.851 --> 03:16:32.832 So it was really hard for me to be like the day of our television show. 3141 03:16:32.852 --> 03:16:36.752 But I think that that's the way that I'm going to keep it, you know, free. 3142 03:16:36.832 --> 03:16:38.153 And the other thing I've noticed is that. 3143 03:16:39.073 --> 03:17:04.466 is sometimes i'll watch a show we were talking about the diary of the ceo i just love his show lately but i honestly i don't know his name steven bartlett gray and hancock was just there i saw i saw yeah yeah yeah it's just you know so i wanted to make sure that i i had my name in there because i don't want that to happen so so anyway so that's going to be that's going to be the the show and i i'm you know if anyone hears this and they have guest recommendations send them over because i'm open 3144 03:17:05.286 --> 03:17:05.666 Awesome. 3145 03:17:05.967 --> 03:17:09.930 And do you have a book coming or have you written a book before? 3146 03:17:09.950 --> 03:17:11.691 Man, I've started quite a few. 3147 03:17:11.711 --> 03:17:13.012 I've started quite a few. 3148 03:17:13.212 --> 03:17:15.594 Yeah, I don't have a book in the works right now necessarily. 3149 03:17:15.694 --> 03:17:18.997 I do have a manuscript I've been working, but it's quite a ways away from being done. 3150 03:17:19.177 --> 03:17:21.079 So that's not something I'm dropping imminently, no. 3151 03:17:21.639 --> 03:17:24.521 But I do have a program I'm developing, actually. 3152 03:17:24.561 --> 03:17:32.226 So, you know, one of the things I've noticed in giving my talks is I have one talk that I was always trying to force into like a keynote type presentation. 3153 03:17:32.266 --> 03:17:38.130 And it's just too much material and it needs to be like a consumed in a more of a course format. 3154 03:17:38.650 --> 03:17:39.811 So that's something I am working on. 3155 03:17:39.831 --> 03:17:42.253

Yeah, I'd like to have that available in the next year or so. 3156 03:17:43.314 --> 03:18:01.047 And this is completely egotistical of me, but if there would be a freebie on your website that would be like some form of rewild guide for what to eat and check your circadian rhythm and get it more in line with the human animal that you are. 3157 03:18:02.448 --> 03:18:03.029 What would it be? 3158 03:18:04.070 --> 03:18:06.072 No, that is what I would request. 3159 03:18:06.252 --> 03:18:07.553 You know what? 3160 03:18:07.573 --> 03:18:08.914 I want some form of guide. 3161 03:18:09.435 --> 03:18:10.836 I filmed the course. 3162 03:18:10.896 --> 03:18:14.279 It has this blueprint guide or what's it called? 3163 03:18:14.960 --> 03:18:19.263 The Bulletproof Diet Guide is like a PDF with a degree. 3164 03:18:19.323 --> 03:18:20.525 It's like really beautiful. 3165 03:18:20.905 --> 03:18:24.288 But I would love to have something like that from you. 3166 03:18:24.748 --> 03:18:25.589 Okay, cool. 3167 03:18:25.629 --> 03:18:25.969 Thank you. 3168 03:18:26.049 --> 03:18:27.891 Yeah, I'll consider that. 3169 03:18:28.071 --> 03:18:30.013 I did film a course recently recently. 3170 03:18:30.173 --> 03:18:34.316 that I'm going to put up for free, which is I wanted to, but this is specifically on wild food stuff. 3171 03:18:34.336 --> 03:18:37.478 I wanted to do a course, like how do you get started hunting, fishing, foraging? 3172 03:18:37.878 --> 03:18:39.279 What's the equipment that you need? 3173 03:18:39.319 --> 03:18:41.421 And I just kind of go through showing all my stuff. 3174 03:18:41.461 --> 03:18:44.223 And because I wanted to make sure I left that after wild fed. 3175 03:18:44.243 --> 03:18:46.364 And I do want to say this too, for people watching this. 3176 03:18:46.584 --> 03:18:50.887 So all 60 episodes of wild fed are on my outdoor tv.com. 3177 03:18:51.508 --> 03:18:51.588 Uh, 3178 03:18:52.048 --> 03:18:55.871 So there's two, you can go through motv.com or myoutdoortv.com, same webpage. 3179 03:18:56.491 --> 03:18:58.313 Outdoor Channel, that's their streaming platform. 3180 03:18:58.893 --> 03:19:03.276 And so I think it's like a one week free membership. 3181 03:19:03.396 --> 03:19:06.718 So you could go sign up and then you could just like watch as many of them as you want. 3182 03:19:07.019 --> 03:19:10.201 And then after that, it's like 10 bucks a month or something like that. 3183 03:19:10.261 --> 03:19:13.543 So if you want to see Wildfed, all six seasons are now there. 3184 03:19:13.583 --> 03:19:15.805 And so that's the whole curation of it. 3185 03:19:15.825 --> 03:19:16.225 Yeah. 3186 03:19:17.126 --> 03:19:18.427 So you're, you're, you are. 3187 03:19:19.870 --> 03:19:22.332 like locked to them through a contract. 3188 03:19:22.352 --> 03:19:30.777 So there's no way that you, in the future that you can just like, I hope one day I can, you can just buy it in a bundle, watch it on Vimeo or. 3189 03:19:30.837 --> 03:19:31.197 Yeah. 3190 03:19:31.537 --> 03:19:31.777 Yeah. 3191 03:19:31.837 --> 03:19:34.879 So no, it's like they, they paid me to make the show. 3192 03:19:35.300 --> 03:19:36.320 They own the content. 3193 03:19:36.540 --> 03:19:38.562 And, and the thing about cable is, 3194 03:19:39.322 --> 03:19:42.724 This was hard for people to understand because we live in that era of everything's online for free. 3195 03:19:43.325 --> 03:19:47.327 But for cable, their whole business model is about selling the ads, the commercials. 3196 03:19:47.887 --> 03:19:52.550 And so if the content is free anywhere, then advertisers won't pay for the commercials. 3197 03:19:52.630 --> 03:19:56.172 So unfortunately, it's locked up pretty tight. 3198 03:19:56.192 --> 03:20:00.535 But I sometimes have fantasized that in five or 10 years, they'll sell it all back to me or something. 3199 03:20:00.755 --> 03:20:01.696 Yeah, go ahead. 3200 03:20:01.816 --> 03:20:02.196 Ask them. 3201 03:20:02.436 --> 03:20:03.337 Give me the rights. 3202 03:20:03.557 --> 03:20:06.038 But we hear about... Maybe we'll be able to work something out. 3203 03:20:06.299 --> 03:20:08.580 And you also don't know what's going to happen to cable, so... 3204 03:20:08.920 --> 03:20:13.761 Yeah, but you know what happens when celebrities are fighting against the record labels? 3205 03:20:14.861 --> 03:20:17.822 I'm going to have to change my name to a symbol. 3206 03:20:17.902 --> 03:20:19.302 Yeah, you don't want to be that guy. 3207 03:20:21.243 --> 03:20:26.444 I just saw a reel about everybody dying that had an issue with the demonic record labels. 3208 03:20:27.064 --> 03:20:29.445 Dude, it's all going to come out, huh? 3209 03:20:29.505 --> 03:20:30.605 It's all going to come out. 3210 03:20:30.625 --> 03:20:31.405 It's all out there. 3211 03:20:31.605 --> 03:20:33.126 Brother, thank you so much. 3212 03:20:33.306 --> 03:20:36.587 And I'm going to be tuning in every Tuesday when you're podcasting. 3213 03:20:36.607 --> 03:20:38.107 Do you have a specific date? 3214 03:20:39.175 --> 03:20:40.396 Is it this week, next week? 3215 03:20:40.976 --> 03:20:44.178 I'm shooting for by the end of this week or early next week. 3216 03:20:44.218 --> 03:20:48.181 So again, I mean, I can't imagine this will be out there before it's launched, you know. 3217 03:20:48.461 --> 03:20:51.323 All the episodes are done and we're just tuning up the intro. 3218 03:20:51.363 --> 03:20:53.545 So otherwise, it's ready to go. 3219 03:20:53.685 --> 03:20:57.988 So yeah, I should have it dropped by the summer solstice. 3220 03:20:58.378 --> 03:20:58.618 Yeah. 3221 03:20:58.698 --> 03:20:59.159 And it's good. 3222 03:20:59.419 --> 03:21:01.320 Is it going to be a video podcast? 3223 03:21:01.741 --> 03:21:02.041 Yeah. 3224 03:21:02.481 --> 03:21:02.801 Yeah. 3225 03:21:03.162 --> 03:21:05.944 And Spotify video and also on YouTube. 3226 03:21:05.964 --> 03:21:06.304 Correct. 3227 03:21:06.364 --> 03:21:06.724 Yeah. 3228 03:21:06.764 -->

03:21:07.845 So we're putting it everywhere. 3229 03:21:07.945 --> 03:21:11.248 So it'll be Apple, Spotify, be all the spots, all the smaller ones too. 3230 03:21:11.448 --> 03:21:14.690 But this will be my first time doing a video specific podcast. 3231 03:21:14.731 --> 03:21:14.871 I've 3232 03:21:16.712 --> 03:21:18.273 you know, a lot of it's going to be remote. 3233 03:21:18.693 --> 03:21:26.559 So I've set this studio up because being in Maine, it's just not a lot of talent coming through, but, but when I can, I am doing some in person. 3234 03:21:26.579 --> 03:21:31.342 So like one of the first ones I'm dropping is with, I don't know if you know, Tom Myers, the fascia guy, but, but we, you know, he's in Maine. 3235 03:21:31.362 --> 03:21:34.924 So I was able to sit with him in person, which is great, but, but a lot of it will be remote. 3236 03:21:34.944 --> 03:21:38.146 So we're, we're, we're kind of working our best to make it look great and sound great. 3237 03:21:38.166 --> 03:21:38.267 Yeah. 3238 03:21:38.287 --> 03:21:38.387 Yeah. 3239 03:21:39.127 --> 03:21:39.787 Awesome, brother. 3240 03:21:40.247 --> 03:21:44.709 Thank you so much for taking the time being here on the podcast one more time. 3241 03:21:44.949 --> 03:21:52.211 And, you know, every time I feel the same after listening to you, I can listen to you for so much more. 3242 03:21:52.291 --> 03:21:52.751 Thank you. 3243 03:21:53.251 --> 03:21:58.913 And yeah, I had so many questions, but we just went down the Christianity tunnel. 3244 03:21:59.073 --> 03:22:04.094 And I want to just say, I don't have a clearer like, this is my religion. 3245 03:22:04.154 --> 03:22:05.775 It's like I just am trying to keep it. 3246 03:22:06.195 --> 03:22:11.441 No, but I can relate so much to it because I can't, that's also the issue I have. 3247 03:22:11.501 --> 03:22:12.883 I can't like say this is... 3248 03:22:14.273 --> 03:22:16.574 the exact framework that I'm operating. 3249 03:22:16.594 --> 03:22:17.815 This is the box I live in. 3250 03:22:18.095 --> 03:22:19.116 Yeah, yeah. 3251 03:22:19.276 --> 03:22:19.996 I can't do that. 3252 03:22:20.016 --> 03:22:20.536 I'm sorry. 3253 03:22:20.716 --> 03:22:22.557 So once again, thank you so much. 3254 03:22:22.797 --> 03:22:24.078 And it's always a pleasure. 3255 03:22:24.298 --> 03:22:26.799 And you're welcome to this show anytime you like. 3256 03:22:27.200 --> 03:22:28.400 And we got to tune in. 3257 03:22:28.620 --> 03:22:32.983 Finally, the Daniel Vitalis podcast or show? 3258 03:22:33.323 --> 03:22:33.723 Show. 3259 03:22:34.363 --> 03:22:34.784 Show. 3260 03:22:35.524 --> 03:22:35.884 Yeah. 3261 03:22:36.284 --> 03:22:37.305 Go take a listen. 3262 03:22:37.325 --> 03:22:39.026 And everything's going to be in the show notes here. 3263 03:22:39.653 --> 03:22:39.974 Great. 3264 03:22:40.054 --> 03:22:41.437 And thank you for having me. 3265 03:22:41.517 --> 03:22:48.252 Thanks for, I mean, I appreciate talking about this because it's stuff that, you know, a lot of the content I talk about, I've rehearsed it so much and having so many shows. 3266 03:22:48.312 --> 03:22:50.797 This is stuff I'm like, I don't really have it dialed in. 3267 03:22:50.837 --> 03:22:51.819 So it's fun to talk about. 3268 03:22:51.940 --> 03:22:58.053 And then I just want to say thank you to everybody listening for, you know, thanks for sharing your platform and thank you for everybody listening for making it this far. 3269 03:22:58.253 --> 03:22:59.877 And I'd love to come on again, Morgan. 3270 03:22:59.897 --> 03:23:00.839 So appreciate you, man. 3271 03:23:01.460 --> 03:23:02.122 Awesome, brother. 3272 03:23:02.322 --> 03:23:02.923 That's a wrap.