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person throughout my whole life, I was like, I give a shot at this, you know, Institute of Sport up in Sydney. And I went through their first power unit program, which is where they identify all future athletes, uh, in the lead up to 2032 Olympics because there's a big drive at the moment to get a big Australian team ready for 2032. And it was about eight weeks of training leading up to it every two weeks in between. And it was really good just to have like a team behind us, but also other athletes of different than our aspects and different disabilities. Because, you know, disability is like a whole spectrum of different aspects can be mobility, it can be intellectual. So just to have like, you know, all these different people come down and even school kids has come down after school and just give it a crack. It was great. It was great to see. And, you know, I can't emphasize enough how great it was to see all the different states and all the different institutes there at, uh. 00:08:21 S2: Now, you played a bit of football or soccer, as some call it, earlier days. Are you more of a sprinter now on the track? 00:08:27 S1: I am more of a sprinter now on the track. I'm more of an endurance sprinter, so I am more tailored towards 400 metre sprints. Okay, but you know, I still love to kick a soccer ball around. I just finished up my football season last night. So just, you know, I still love to get involved in every sport and with all my overseas travel I've done in my past, you know, 24 years of existing, I've picked up any sport I can get my hands on pretty much. I love sport and the Paralympics offers me an opportunity to do that at a, you know, a professional, uh, country level. So yeah. 00:09:02 S2: Yeah. You mentioned about, uh, you wish the Olympic Cup had been around a few years ago. Uh, has there been a photo discovered of you at the a s at the age of five? 00:09:11 S1: Yes, yes. I, um, I was there on at the opening ceremony and I had recognized Brad Scott, who that photo was taken with, uh, all those years ago, 19 years ago. And I was like, oh, I gotta say hello. See if he remembers me. And thankfully, some of the media people were there and they caught on that I recognized the old sprinter himself. And, you know, we formed a story from there. And it was just, you know, it was a great full circle experience for me. Who was the student back in the day to come back and sort of like a mentor for the other younger athletes at the tournament? For my team. 00:09:52 S2: That can be very impactful. Those meetings at an early age, can't they, in terms of how they shape your career? 00:09:57 S1: Oh of course. Um, yeah, Brad really shaped my, you know, early years as a person who needed to get active and keep fit and keep moving and, you know, to see him like coaching now and me sort of coaching, it's sort of, you know, a big full circle moment. You know, it's just good to have that person there that you haven't seen in so long. And you both recognize

each other and go from there. 00:10:23 S2: Yeah. Fantastic. Ethan, you talked about traveling overseas and competing. So, I mean, have you got a sport that you want to kind of focus on? You talked about 2032. If you had a choice or what, what's your kind of focus for 2032 at this stage? You know, it's still six years away. 00:10:39 S1: Yeah. Well, my focus for 2032, of course, be, um, sprinting. I have a really good, um, coaching team down here in Wollongong. I'm taught by a former Olympian and Melissa Smith. Oh, yeah. Uh, she just, you know, I'm a first para athlete and I scored, but she just, she doesn't teach me, uh, treat me any different. She encourages me and she pulled me aside and say, look, you're doing well, but this is how you can improve. And I really appreciate that. And the other team members on the squad also do that. And I'm just glad to have such a great team here in Wollongong behind me. 00:11:15 S2: Yeah, that team spirit, it's important. I mean, the sport itself in a sense, you're competing as an individual, but that team spirit and camaraderie, that's so important, isn't it? 00:11:23 S1: Yeah, because at the end of the day, we're all athletes And, you know, we may be separated by a bit of mobility things or disabilities, but they, you know, they don't see that. They just go like, oh, yeah, just another guy who we can teach up all our lessons that we learned as a young one. And yeah, go from there. 00:11:39 S2: Now, you said you're at Wollongong University. What are you studying? Are you one of these talented people? You can be an athlete, you can be a student, you can do really well at more than one thing at once. Yeah. Some of us, some of us can't do well at only one thing. You can do well at more than one thing at once. 00:11:54 S3: Oh, I have a very, um, strict. 00:11:55 S1: Schedule, Peter, of, um. 00:11:58 S2: Just. 00:11:59 S1: Balancing it all out. And right now I'm entering the last couple of weeks of, uh, university. So I am in the books a lot of the time. Um, before the school, I was in the books, uh, doing a report. Um, but I'll do you got to have that good balance where you can go out and do sports and, uh, dedicate time to academics. Sometimes I lean a bit more towards the sports side because I like to be. Um, but still, you just got to have that outlet to get away from the study because you can't just sit behind the desk the whole day. 00:12:32 S2: What are you studying? 00:12:33 S1: I study a bachelor of geography with, uh, earth Sciences. So I. 00:12:37 S2: Say. 00:12:38 S1: Rocks pretty much. And right now I'm studying different planets, so. Yeah. 00:12:43 S2: Wow, that's very futuristic. I see it. Was it Japan the other day launched a spacecraft to go to Mars. So, uh, yeah, that's very much in your wheelhouse at the moment. All this sort of, uh, space talk. 00:12:55 S1: Yeah. Well, that's that's what I was thinking. I came around to this semester and I have, of course, been away for the past six months overseas in America doing an exchange, uh, course and ultimate to, uh, rocket launched in May. And I was, you know, I was watching and I was gobsmacked. I was very in awe of stuff that they can do. And I was like, how can I contribute to this? How can I? It was very much the same feeling I had with Brad 19 years ago where I was like, this guy has is like a professional athlete. I'm just a five year old young boy just running around trying to work out his disability at a young age. And, you know, it was that thing of, I can do it. If I put my mind behind something, I can do it. And that's my advice for everyone. Like if you put your mind behind something and you really want to achieve it. And for me, it's one of my goals is like, you know, maybe go to space one day or go, 20, 32 Olympics would be my for sure goal. That would be, you know, a passion I would have and I would not stop until I got it and kept my enthusiasm up for it. 00:14:08 S2: You probably do both a, uh, what was the US like? 00:14:11 S1: Well, I've lived in the US three times before, so it was, um, a different part of it. Um, but it was a very nice part of it. I was up, uh, just north of Yellowstone, one hour north of Yellowstone. So I was in the Wild West. You could say all right. 00:14:27 S2: To ask you about their president at the moment, or would you rather leave that one alone? 00:14:32 S1: Uh, I look, I normally don't touch politics. Um, but I was being a military fan. Uh, kid, I do, you know, dabble in military stuff, but yeah, um, you know, I, I would just say I wouldn't judge a country by its. 00:14:51 S2: Uh, that's a great answer. 00:14:53 S1: I would go, I would go country itself because yeah, leading up to my exchange, a lot of my friends were like, are you going to a place where there's, um, a person who's in power who's not, you know, not looked favorably upon by some people. And I just said, look, you can't judge a book by its cover. And that's the same with people. You, you don't know what's going on in their lives. So just the act of just saying hello to them may lift their spirits. And that's why I try to do on an everyday basis. I try just to say hello to everyone I can, regardless of anything that's going on or anything. And you know, if I lift their spirits, then that's, you know, that's a good step in my day. That's a good day. 00:15:44 S2: Nathan, you've lifted my spirit. I'm sure you've lifted everyone's spirit. Listen to the program. Thank you for speaking to us. Thanks for giving us a snapshot of the Power of Futures Cup. We'll wait to hear more. When ever you get selected for Brisbane and or to go to space. And I'm sure this won't be the last time we speak. Ethan, it's been a great pleasure. Thank you for spending some time with us. And back to the books. 00:16:05 S1: Yeah, thank you very much, Peter. I look forward to talking to you in the future when we get close to the Brisbane 32. 00:16:12 S2: There we go. That's fantastic, isn't it? Ethan saunter

there. Ethan took part in the Libby Kosmala oh I am Power Futures Cup but obviously also doing a lot of other things around that. But glad to get some time today. The Philippine National Open was held in Victoria last week. We mentioned the fact that Victoria beat South Australia in the APM Employment League. Let's speak to the South Australian captain, Zach George Dent. Zach, great to catch up. Thanks for your time. 00:16:41 S3: Hey always a pleasure mate. 00:16:42 S2: How was it I guess disappointing. Obviously not to win. 00:16:45 S3: Yeah. Always disappointing not to win and especially losing over the last five I think five years. Yeah. So uh it doesn't doesn't get any easier or it doesn't, uh, or hurt me less as well. It always hurts the same. So yeah, another disappointing one, but that's alright. 00:16:58 S2: Yeah. Well Victoria on the home ground, I guess they're always going to be a bit hard to beat. 00:17:01 S3: Correct? Correct. 00:17:02 S2: How was it just about the time when overall then, uh, in terms of the states that competed and how the whole thing panned out? 00:17:08 S3: Yeah. Very good. Um, very even competition as you can see. Like I think we finished, uh, top of the pool and obviously lost in the grand final and I think Victoria finished third. So, um, I guess yeah. In Tasmania I always a strong presence and they, they didn't make the grand final this year. So as you can see, the competition is quite uh, quite even, which is, which is great. So great to see a week as a whole is, um, it was a bit different, um, compared to other years, it's a bit shorter because I think it was only a three, eight, three day comp, I think something like that. So a bit shorter, a little less time to get a bit of resting. But um, yeah, overall still pretty good. 00:17:39 S2: What about in terms of where the games were played and the condition of the grounds, all that sort of stuff? 00:17:43 S3: Yeah. The grounds, the grounds are brilliant grounds, great facilities as well. It was a bit windy during the day as well, so it made it a bit tough for, for games in a sense. Um, you had to be a bit smart about how you used the ball, um depending on which way you were going. But that's all part of footy really, isn't it, if you're playing an outdoor sport. So yeah. 00:17:59 S2: Yeah. Well you talked about Tasmania. Of course they won it last year which was uh obviously a great thing for the, the national game and, you know, uh, sort of if you like a, a less populated state to do so. Well, they, they were up there again this year. 00:18:12 S3: Yeah, yeah, they, I think they won the last three, I think. Um, so yeah, they, they did very well for that little, little state of theirs. So yeah, like I said, that was strong again this year. And um, unfortunately, yeah. Lost to Victoria as well. So it was great for the competition. 00:18:24 S2: What about the other states. So how did they go and which other states did turn up. 00:18:28 S3: Yeah. WA wa in the top

four. Um they're a pretty quick team, pretty young team. So um they're I think they ran out of, ran out of legs a bit, uh, by the end of the week. Um, and yeah, northern Territory and Queensland as well. They battled it out in the um div two grand final. And um I think Queensland got over the line there. So they had a good good battle of the north. So that was pretty good. Um yeah. And then New South Wales finally a bit tough. Um but they always give it their all and um you can never uh, I guess uh never count them out really. They're just always competing, always give it their best no matter what. So yeah. 00:19:00 S2: For, for the competition as a whole then it must be great. I mean fantastic as we touched on Tasmania, small population, but doing well. But yeah, uh, Northern Territory being part of it. Queensland, New South Wales, I guess not quite. Maybe the AFL state that the others might be. so it's kind of good that everyone is there. 00:19:17 S3: Yeah, 100%. I think Northern Territory won the div one, uh, maybe 5 or 6 years ago now, I think, uh, for the top of my head, but they yeah, they won one um, yeah, a while ago. So they've done pretty well for themselves. And just being there to compete as well is just a big thing for them as well. Like I said, not pretty. And obviously New South Wales had a very big AFL state. So just having them there is is a big thing as well. So it's good on them and hopefully the program over there develops for them. 00:19:41 S2: Over the years, there's always been talk that the teams out of Western Australia, because their grounds are so fast and doesn't rain as much, they have pretty quick teams as far as their foot, uh, pace goes. Uh, this was the case with this team as well, do you reckon? 00:19:54 S3: Yeah, 100%. They are quite fast and you get some old blokes like me, those in the centre and they, they, they get away from you like, oh gosh, I'm not catching that guy. So yes, now they are, they're quite quick. So and they're very skillful at the same time. So if they get out, get out loose, you're going to be a strife. So yes. 00:20:09 S2: So we've spoken to you before obviously particularly about the The bird championship, sir. How did you get involved with footy or how long have you been involved and how did that happen? 00:20:18 S3: Uh, footy. I guess I've been playing my whole life as well as little I guess. I was kicking back in the day at my local footy club and yeah, I've just been there ever since. And um, yeah, just going from there really just sport, sport, sport and footy just stuck as well. So yeah, I've been at my local club for over 20 years now and did a bit of, uh, junior pathway stuff with Nord as well in the Tanfl went all the way to under eighteens and then sort of just went back to my local club and. Yeah. 00:20:43 S2: Well, Zach, you were captain of the team. How did that come about? Did the players vote for it or the coach appointed? How does that happen? 00:20:48 S3: Uh, I think the

coach is appointed it. So yeah, this was obviously a great honour. And um, yeah, I, I take great privilege in that and, uh, it was good having the trust of the coaches as well. Uh, they give me that honour. So yeah. 00:21:00 S2: What about the role of, uh, captain in a footy team compared to a basketball team? Are there similarities or are there differences? 00:21:07 S3: Oh, absolutely. Similarities, I think, I guess, uh, depends what kind of captain you are. I guess for me, it's just sort of trying to, uh, get the best out of everyone. And, um. Yeah, knowing their capabilities and trying to push them a bit further and, um. Yeah, given given they're all really it's the same in both sports footy and basketball. I guess just with footy, there's a few more blokes on the field than there is basketball to look at. But that's a, that's all right. It's all good. 00:21:30 S2: Nothing really matters. But would you consider yourself a better basketballer, a better footballer? 00:21:35 S3: Oh, I get asked this question quite a fair bit. And, uh, my response is always, If I'm playing better in football, I like football, I'm better at footy. If I'm playing better in basketball than I'm a better basketball. But at the moment in my career, I think I was just a bit a bit even at the moment, which is which is quite nice. 00:21:48 S2: Actually referred to yourself as an old fella before, which you're not, but which game do you reckon you could play the longest for? Which one might you think, uh, will see sort of play the most seasons? 00:21:58 S3: Uh, reckon basketball might tip it just because it's a shorter court. It's not as long as a field. And um, I, I guess a little less running in basketball, but and obviously a bit less contact as well. But um, yeah, I think the core and then the heavy ground underneath. If I land on that too much, then I get a bit of a sore body. But yeah, the basketball, basketball does take it out of me as well. But I think I could last a bit, a little bit longer in basketball. 00:22:20 S2: You talked about the sport, sport, sport in your life. Uh it's a fantastic opportunity for you out there. I mean, you know as we talked about the basketball, you uh, uh, playing for the, uh, Open employment League. I mean, it's great. You know, I guess in a sense, you're born at the right time in terms of opportunities for people with disabilities, maybe 30, 40, 50 years ago, those opportunities might not have been around. 00:22:42 S3: Yeah, 100% correct. I think I'm very lucky with what I've achieved so far in sport and the opportunity that it has given me. Um, I just got to think like, thanks for everyone before me as well, like the pioneers and all that they said about me, like during the hard times when I guess no one was there and no one really cared about it. But, um, they played a massive part in what's happening in the sport right now and in the inclusion system. And yeah, they should get full, full respect as well, which I, I definitely have

for them as well. 00:23:08 S2: People are pretty quick to criticize the AFL and sometimes justifiably so. But they've done a great job with this or both the AFL and say in South Australia, the Sandveld, you know, supporting the the competition at that grassroots level and then to get to an interstate competition. Those organisations have done a tremendous job, haven't they? 00:23:25 S3: Yeah, absolutely. And they play a huge part as well. And we didn't have their support. There probably be no competition like it. And um yeah, it's it's quite we'd be very difficult for everyone to play out of their own pocket and um, try and pay their way there. So the, the support of sponsors and um, yeah. Sam, Phil and all the people like that putting like putting their. Oh yeah. Just giving their all into the, uh, the system and stuff and helping everyone out is just great. 00:23:49 S2: Now with this competition last week or so in Victoria, I think there was, um, kind of a demonstration sport for athletes who are blind and also that the women got, uh, a Guernsey as well. 00:23:58 S3: Yes, I understand there's a, a low, low vision and blind, uh, exhibition match, which is absolutely great to see. Um, and everyone got around that, which is also good. And yeah, yet the women's got their own theme, which is absolutely great to see. And that's just growing in another another space as well, which is giving more opportunity for people as well, which is great to see. 00:24:15 S2: It's fantastic, isn't it? Because of course, the AFL was kind of really taken off. And you know, why shouldn't a young lady with a disability be able to participate in the sport that they might either watch on TV or go to? But I love and want to play it. 00:24:28 S3: 100%, 100%. 00:24:29 S2: What about, uh, the AFL Wheelchair League? I think Victoria beat South Australia in that as well, didn't they? 00:24:34 S3: Yeah they did. Unfortunately for us they did. But yes, the wheelchair competition is great. And I think they couldn't put us together with them a few years ago now. And it's just growing strength to strength. And it's great to see everyone supports everyone and everyone's out to each others games when we can be anyway. Um, and yeah, the grand final was like both Victorian and South Australian teams were there cheering them on. So it was a great atmosphere. And yeah, I think it's just it's just a great vibe. 00:24:57 S2: I know it's all played under the AFL banner, but you kind of like the nuances between wheelchair and blind and low vision and you know your inclusion league. You kind of, you know, get the, the, the nuances just to make sure that everyone can play and, you know, play at their best level. 00:25:11 S3: Yeah, 100%. Like there's, there's sports for everyone really. Um, no matter what age, disability, gender, whatever you are. Like it's the sports for everyone. Um, it's not hard to get everyone involved and throw a ball, kick a ball, pass the ball, whatever you want to do.

Hit a ball. Um, yeah, everyone can just play. 00:25:27 S2: Yeah. Zach, I'm not sure how your frequent flyer points are going. I'd say they're probably going. Okay. You're you're back in Victoria this week, aren't you? 00:25:33 S3: Yeah. They're looking pretty good at the moment. 00:25:35 S2: So what. 00:25:37 S3: Are you there. 00:25:38 S2: For? What are you. 00:25:39 S3: A special Olympics? Uh, national competition. 00:25:42 S2: And how's this going? 00:25:43 S3: Uh, good. So far. We, uh, won our game this morning for basketball, and we were in the into the grand final tomorrow morning. I guess, uh, you wouldn't guess it against Victoria. 00:25:52 S2: Uh, it must be sick of those guys. 00:25:54 S3: Uh. Oh. Nah. They're right. 00:25:57 S2: They're probably sick of you. 00:25:58 S3: They're probably sick of me. Yeah, probably sick of me, to be honest. 00:26:01 S2: How's that been? Because that's also something like 800 athletes or. 00:26:05 S3: Yeah, there's a there's a lot of people here, which is, which is great. So yeah, it's been it's been a good week. Been a busy week for sure. Um, and a tough week. Yeah, it's pretty, pretty hot over the week here um, in Melbourne. So um I think there's going to be a few sore bodies after today and especially after tomorrow and um yeah, traveling home the next day. So. 00:26:23 S2: And of course, uh, different sports represented, I guess, uh, again, a wonderful opportunity for athletes in the Special Olympics banner, if you like playing the, the different types of sports, the different, uh, opportunities, you know, there's got to be something out there that either you're good at or that, that you're going to love to take part in. 00:26:38 S3: Yeah, correct. So many opportunities out here. It's, it's crazy. I think there's equestrian on, which is great. Swimming, bowling, um, bocce, um, there's a left of field one, but it's great because of people, like I said, an opportunity to, to play a sport they love or can get involved in a sport that they want to, um, get better at, which is great. 00:26:55 S2: Well, Zach, thank you for speaking to us. I know you've had a busy week or busy couple of weeks. Thanks for speaking to us as always. Great. You've got such a great enthusiasm about you, which we love. Good luck to the teams over the next day or so, and we'll catch up with more results from the Special Olympics Nationals next week. But thanks for wrapping up the AFL. 00:27:12 S3: Nah. All good. Thank you very much. And there's always a pleasure speaking to you. So any time you want to speak, I'm always here. So thank you very much. Appreciate it. 00:27:18 S2: Thank you, thank. 00:27:19 S3: You thank you. 00:27:20 S2: Zack George he's captain of the South Australian team at the APM Employment League and the Inclusive League. They finished second to Victoria in the AFL Wheelchair League. Also Victoria beat South Australia and the Special Olympics on. At the moment we have more information on that on the program. Next week we'll let them wrap up, come home, catch their breath. But more about Special Olympics on the program next week. 00:27:42 S4: Hi, I'm Ben Choi, Australia's chef de mission for the 2026 Winter Paralympic Games in Cortina. And you're listening to Leisure Link with Peter Greco on the Vision Australia Radio Network. 00:27:53 S1: Well, late last. 00:27:54 S2: Month we caught up with William O'Neill, who was about to take off for Europe and finish up the soccer for summit wheels back wheel. Great to catch up again. Welcome home. And how are you going? 00:28:05 S5: Thank you Peter, I am wonderful. Thank you. And not tired strangely enough. 00:28:12 S2: Well, that's what happens when you're a young fit man as you are. 00:28:16 S5: Thank you. I'll take that. 00:28:18 S2: I will have missed our first chat. Tell us about how all this came about. And then we'll talk about where you went and how it went. 00:28:24 S5: So our charity Riding Together that has been developed on the New South Wales Central Coast. Uh, we have developed the charity to connect people who want to ride vision impaired people, people with a disability, with people who can, so-called able bodied people. We love to be able to connect people with a disability, to be able to get them on our house, piano bicycles so they can be more engaged in the community less socially isolated, and to be able to feel the wind in their hair and the sun on their face, and to be able to share their story so we can break that stereotype of us and them. 00:29:19 S2: This opportunity to Europe came about and a few people grabbed it. 00:29:23 S5: We certainly did. Uh, there was an opportunity through, uh, our director, Gary, who is very passionate about the concept of connecting people along these with, with our bicycles. And he decided that he would embark on this challenge with four pilots for blind people and himself and another sighted person as our support team. So five has bicycles, uh, has Pinot bicycles that traveled 762km to be exact from Waltrop, Germany to Groningen in Netherlands. The Waltrop, uh, was where we left was the factory of the Haas Pinot bike. So we all had an opportunity to talk to Marek and Kirsten, the owners and the manufacturers of the bike. Um, we spent a couple of days within their factory. They were very welcoming and very supportive of us and the challenges that we were about to embark on. And the hospitality was second to none. I must start with that. They were just very welcoming, opened, armed and just lovely, lovely people. We all had an understanding of where the bikes come from, how they were manufactured, how they were built, why they were built, which was a really, really amazing time because there was there was certain bikes that we all tried a side by side. They call it a Catweasel two. That is an off road tandem bicycle that, uh, has amazing suspension. We went through paddocks, we that had the humps and the bumps and we went up and down and through. Um,

Curbsides. It was truly amazing piece of engineering that Marek and his team have put together. So it was, it was really nice to start there. 00:31:52 S2: They talked about the fact that, uh, you know, uh, fan on your fan on your mind and fan on your face and wind in your hair. And I guess that's what these bikes tend to do. It's sort of different than a conventional, uh, tandem bike that many of our listeners may know or have even ridden themselves. This is a bit. This is quite a bit different. 00:32:10 S5: That is correct. Yeah. So these tandem bicycles, the Pinot, I sit at the front, I sit in a recumbent position with my legs out in front, and I feel the full impact of. And as you may know, Peter, the Netherlands wins. The headwinds are relentless at times. They were very strong. Uh, but it was it was a chance for myself. And I've never been to Europe. Uh, this was my first, first chance to do something like this. And the, the impact that it had on me feeling Those winds to push through some some very strong headwinds. But then to enjoy the, uh, let's say the first scent of the cow manure as it waffled across the paddocks. It was it was all there to, to hear the, uh, the wind turbines turn, uh, in the background. It was, it was truly an amazing experience. The, the, the, the Stroop waffle. It was, uh, it was truly a really, really amazing time. And, uh, we, we achieved more than I thought that we would. 00:33:39 S2: Peter better than a Contiki tour. Will, you're getting much more close up and personal with the with the entire experience. 00:33:46 S5: Yes, indeed, yes, indeed, my friend. And look, we uh, in the end, we had a mission and we had a goal. And and our first if, if if I could put it into my words, we weren't out to prove anybody wrong, that people with a disability can travel on a bicycle and be included within cycling tours. We were out to prove ourselves right that we are able to do this. We should be a part of this concept of cycling around the world, and people with a disability should be able to experience the things that we just experienced. And to prove it to the World Cycle Summit, we had to we had to do it. It's not it wasn't about just going and talking. It was about proving the fact that it can be done. 00:34:58 S2: And that was the end point, wasn't that was the kind of climax, if I could put it that way. 00:35:02 S5: It certainly was. Peter. Yes. So the World Cycle Summit, just to sum that up, it is the conference of every world, uh, around the world. Every tour operator that is anybody was at that conference in Groningen and they didn't know about riding together. They didn't know about inclusivity within cycling. And we went there and we did a presentation with a keynote speaker, Molly Burke. Um, you may know her and Molly did a presentation in an auditorium with, uh, all the tour operators. And after that was completed the next day, every tour operator around the world knows who riding together is and why we have the

mission of inclusivity within cycling. Now, after that was completed, we have three countries, uh, Netherlands, uh, Switzerland and Denmark, who want to adopt the riding together charity. 00:36:29 S2: Oh well done. 00:36:30 S5: We have many, many tour operators that want to inject the Pino bicycle into their fleet to be able to provide the concept or the opportunity of inclusivity within their cycling tours because, as it was pointed out to them that I'm a person with a disability, but what about my partner? She doesn't have a disability. What about my parents? They don't have a disability. What about my brother or my sister or my niece and nephew who would like to join along and do the tour? From Germany to Groningen, for instance, and the Dutch tourism and the Dutch tours. They they were very kind to be able to assist us with all this, but I'm just one person that has a disability, and if they cannot accommodate for me or the next person with a disability, then they're missing out on 4 or 5 different people and more All that want to come along and enjoy what I want to enjoy. But if they can't provide for me, they miss out on everybody. 00:37:57 S2: It's such a great point you make about actually having done it, as the summit sort of gets underway and kind of they see it in action rather than, this would be a great idea if people could be a bit more inclusive. I mean, they've seen seen it in action. So that's, you know, the actions speak louder than words. 00:38:13 S5: Absolutely. Peter, we can talk to the cows, come home black and blue in the face, my friend. But when, when for blind people ride that distance over 11 days, 762km over 11 days. And it was a dream to ride. And we, we took our message there in style. And as I said, I think I said to you last time, Pete, that, you know, I, I am I am proud and I'm honored. And I'm even more so now that I get the opportunity to promote Riding together, I get to highlight inclusivity within cycling. And I love doing it around the Central Coast and Newcastle and Sydney areas. But to be able to do it on the world stage, yeah I am. Words cannot express how grateful and and how honored I am to be able to somehow a little, little old me, Pete. I get to stop and think about the opportunity that I get to make a difference in somebody else's life who has a disability. That, my friend, you cannot put monetary value on it because it is just the opportunity to allow somebody to experience the things that I've experienced, and it opens up a whole world of enjoyment, love, health, mental health, then that's the best thing about it for me. When I'm on that bike and I'm pushing and I'm pushing up a hill, I don't think about my problems. I think about how I can get up that hill. 00:40:09 S2: Well, thanks for sharing the story with us. Absolutely inspiring. Thank you so much. We wish you well. 00:40:14 S5: Thank you Peter. Bye for now. 00:40:15 S2: That's Sir William O'Neill taking what a great message from Australia into Europe and beyond, by the sound of it, and so great a route to giving up some time for us to have a chat to him. Or some really interesting research regarding penicillin and maybe people who may be allergic to it or maybe not allergic to it. Let's chat about it with Terry. Terry, great to meet you. Thanks for your time. 00:40:38 S6: No worries. Thanks for having me, Peter. 00:40:40 S2: Now you've got a very personal story to share. As far This goes both with your daughter and your mother. 00:40:45 S6: Yeah. That's correct. So my mum was told she had a penicillin allergy in her early 20s and she's 70 now. Um, so it's a long time ago and my daughter, when she was probably, I can't remember if she was 1 or 2, but she was given some penicillin and she broke out in a full body rash and was told she also had a penicillin allergy. 00:41:09 S2: Now, one of the considerations is that they think about 10% may have an allergy, but that might not necessarily be the case. Those figures might not be sort of true and accurate. 00:41:19 S6: Yeah that's correct. So it's one of those things that for a long time I kind of thought, oh, it doesn't really matter. And you know, my son's got a nut allergy. And so I always took that a lot more seriously. But now, because of his nut allergy, I've had an opportunity to speak to lots of people in the allergy space and doctors and nurses, and it's opened my mind to so many possibilities of, you know, where they might actually need. Penicillin in an emergency, for example. But unlike an allergy where you go and you get tested and, you know, one way or another with penicillin, the doctors tend to say, oh, okay, it might be a post-viral rash or it might be a penicillin allergy, but just treat it as a penicillin allergy. And then you sort of just, you know, labeled as that, even though realistically, a lot of people might not necessarily be allergic and could benefit from having the penicillin in an emergency. 00:42:14 S2: That's the key to this, isn't it, that if you need penicillin, it is an emergency and they withhold it or they play it safe if you like, then they can have ramifications in terms of what happens to that infection and maybe hospital visits, hospital stays, and on we go. 00:42:28 S6: Yeah, exactly. So I mean, it's not something you like to think about, but especially with my mum who's now 70, you know, like infections might start to pop up and and, you know, it would be nice to have an answer one way or the other so that if it's not a true allergy, then you have options available to you. 00:42:50 S2: I think the National Allergy Council is being quite proactive in this area. 00:42:54 S6: Yeah, I understand they are. And, um, you know, one thing that I have heard is that, you know, it would be great if we could have maybe like the GPS, not just saying, oh, you've got, you know, label yourself as an allergy, as having a penicillin allergy. But if they could actually have some sort of quick test, um, that

could be done because I mean, getting in with an allergist, it does take quite a while and it's quite expensive and it's not really easily accessible to a lot of people. So, you know, if there was some sort of standardized test that a doctor could, you know, a GP could do and confirm one way or the other, then that would be really helpful for the people that are labeled as having a penicillin allergy. 00:43:38 S2: And as you've kind of touched on with your mum and also with your daughter. I mean, you know, if you're in that position where they're unwell and you know for sure, okay, don't use penicillin. But if you know for sure that look, you know, they might have had a reaction in the past, but it wasn't an allergy to penicillin. Go ahead and use it. Yeah. It could be, you know, very, very good as far as your peace of mind goes. 00:43:58 S6: Yeah, exactly. So, um, you know, you, you definitely want to know, um, is what I've realized. And I think, you know, given so many people are labelled as having a penicillin allergy, it's obviously, you know, a big one, a big like opportunity for doctors to be able to like really reduce the number of people and actually have a more accurate figure of who truly is allergic and who isn't. 00:44:26 S2: Well, obviously important for the individual, such as yourself, your daughter, your mum, etc.. But I mean, even for the society, if you like, for the cost of, uh, things that might not be, uh, going right in terms of lingering infections, you know, hospital stays and so forth, that could also impact upon the health budget. So it could be, you know, maybe a money saving thing rather than a might cost a little bit up front. 00:44:48 S6: Yes. Very true, very true. 00:44:49 S2: Hey, Tammy, are you a bit of an entrepreneur? Just about my pocket. 00:44:53 S6: Yes, it's my med pouch. 00:44:54 S2: So my med pouch. I beg your pardon? Yeah. 00:44:56 S6: That's okay. So, yeah, because of my son's nut allergy, um, I have become a bit more proactive and active in this allergy space, and it led me to create my own brand, my med pouch, which is a custom designed a, an insulated children's medical bag that's designed to carry children's medications on the go. And that kind of came out of the fact that, you know, my son's got asthma and he has, uh, well, he's actually been disabled just recently of his nut allergy, but he had a severe allergy for a very long time. And so we've always had to carry medications with us wherever we go. But I couldn't really find anything that worked for our family to be able to do that. So I took it upon myself and yeah, started founded my med pouch. 00:45:47 S2: So I guess there's things like, you know, like being at waterproof, for example, things like that. 00:45:51 S6: Yeah. So it's waterproof. Um, it is fully insulated because things like EpiPens are temperature sensitive. You need to protect from extreme heat and extreme cold. So it's fully insulated. It's also sort of the way I've designed it

is it's designed to grow with your child. So it's got an adjustable strap and a detachable strap. So it can be worn and used in many different ways. And I guess one of the main things also is that, you know, a lot of the bags on the market are really clinical looking. And I wanted to come up with something that was a little bit more fun and made it sort of more exciting and interesting for the children that have to carry these bags and made them actually want to carry the bags with them wherever they go. 00:46:40 S2: You know, I guess kids don't want to look like they've got, you know, a medical issue. I mean, it's probably hard enough to talk about it and live with it anyway. You don't want to kind of be publicizing it if you like. 00:46:49 S6: Exactly. And if it's fun and other kids look at it, oh, that's a really cool bag. You know, then I feel as isolated. 00:46:57 S2: How's it going to be successful if you kind of hit a target? 00:47:01 S6: Oh, it's been one of those things where you start a business, you get some traction and then there are hard times. I do have to start with the marketing quite a bit more, but there has been interest. There has when I have focused on marketing, you know, for example, back to school, um, period earlier in the year, really, really busy. And so that shows to me that there is definitely demand for the product. Um, a lot of people were purchasing them to send their children's medications to be stored at school. And, you know, for example, if their kids go on excursions while at school or sporting activities, you know, it's one of those bags that can go with them wherever they go. So yeah, I mean, business has its ups and downs, but I see potential for it. Yeah, definitely going forward. 00:47:51 S2: And I guess just the kind of convenience, if you like, of knowing where the pouch is and the medications in there rather than hunting high and low for it, or whether I leave it last time, that's probably a bit of an advantage as well. 00:48:01 S6: Exactly 100%. And also, you know, we tend to like to travel as well. 00:48:07 S2: Yeah. 00:48:08 S6: And just knowing like, especially if you're on an aeroplane, knowing that you've got one, you know, easily identifiable spot, you've got everything you need in there, you know, you know exactly where everything is. So if you did need it, you're not like you said, you're not fumbling around. You've got everything at your fingertips ready to go. 00:48:24 S2: Well, tell me, as I've said many times on this program, a lot of people that think I've got there's a problem out there. Someone's got to fix it. I'll fix it. And you've you can't have done that. You've kind of come up with a solution, as well as maybe the challenge that might have been in front of your family. 00:48:37 S6: Yes, exactly. So yeah. Thank you. Um, I've got I think that entrepreneurial side comes up in a family where my dad was quite entrepreneurial. So I, yeah, I just couldn't, I just found the problem and I

just had to go and solve it, I guess. 00:48:55 S2: Right. And you've got a website, haven't you? 00:48:56 S6: Yes. It's my.com. 00:48:59 S2: Terrific. It'll be great to talk to you both about the penicillin and also the, uh, my med patch. We wish you well and thank you for speaking to us. 00:49:06 S6: Thank you so much for your time, Peter. 00:49:08 S2: That's, uh, Tammy Procino there who's talking about. Well, both the situation where maybe people are being diagnosed or being treated as if they've got a penicillin allergy and they might not. And also, uh, my med pouch, what a great idea. Particularly if you've got young kids who might have allergies and need that medication at short notice and easy to find and looking cool. That's pretty good. We'll put details up with our show That's regarding Tammy's website. 00:49:32 S7: You're in elite company listening to Leslie here on Vision Australia Radio, radio, digital radio.org, and through the TuneIn radio app. 00:49:42 S2: Some really good news from the Commonwealth Bank, particularly regarding their staff fund. They've announced some recipients two grants. One of the winners is the Defence Kids, and their founder and CEO Hayley Boswell joins us. Hayley, lovely to meet you and thank you for your time and congratulations. 00:49:59 S8: Thank you so much. And thank you so much for having me today. Look, it's really, really exciting because $20,000 for a small charity like ours is really going to go a long way to supporting our military children. So we couldn't be more thankful of Commbank. They are just phenomenal humans. 00:50:15 S2: Has that come about? Hayley. Obviously you have to apply and you kind of have to if you like, to state your case. 00:50:20 S8: Yeah. So we were really fortunate to have some great supporters in Commbank and one of the Commbank people put us forward and recommended us. And then Commbank reached out to us and said, would you like to fill in this application? Just to give us a little bit more information about what you do and the impact that you're having in this space. And so we filled it out, not really knowing if we were going to be successful or not. And then we found out recently that we'd won the $20,000 to support military children. So it's pretty cool. 00:50:52 S2: It's pretty cool, I reckon. How do you find out an email or a phone call? Or how do you get the good news? 00:50:57 S8: They did it via email and then I got a phone call as well. So it was all bases were covered when they were telling me. 00:51:04 S2: Terrific. Well, you're the founder and CEO. So, um, defense kids a lot is in the name just by itself. But, uh, tell us a bit about why and how you set it up. 00:51:14 S8: So I'm a veteran spouse. My partner served 23 years in the Royal Australian Navy, and I've also got two beautiful children. And when I was, I had my little one and she was about three months old and my partner was posting interstate, and I had a bit of a bit of a moment where I thought, how

am I going to keep them connected? And so it was really back then, um, and now nine years old. But back then that I created my first children's story, which is my dad's in the Royal Australian Navy, and it's a cartoon story about what he does. And it's really just to keep him and her connected whilst there was a separation. And so from that we then expanded and we've now got books for mums and dads for all tri services and a bedtime story and a graphic novel. And from that it launched into a charity because honestly, the community just told us that that's what they want us to do. And so we followed suit. So now we've got this amazing charity where we do connection events and military children. So they all come together and they can hang out with other military kids, which is really important. And we also do deployment packs, which is what Commonwealth Bank has funded. So a deployment pack is a spouse or a serving member will reach out to us and say, can you please send our child a deployment pack? And they write a little message. Usually that goes with it, which is really lovely. And we put a pack together and we send it to them to make them feel a little bit special. So the packs include things like a way to toy that helps them sleep at night, or they might have some squishies, which are a little bit viral. And everyone loves a squishy at the moment. They might include some fidgets to help them feel a little bit, you know, like sometimes they can get a bit anxious or worried, right? Especially with social media. So there are all things that really help them feel connected to their parent. There's even an Australian flag in there. So it's very, uh, the kids love them. The feedback has been phenomenal. 00:53:09 S2: I guess to those that are serving the country, and we salute them and thank them and appreciate all they do. And I'm sure they enjoy and want to do what they're doing. But those kind of other things having to be posted elsewhere, obviously, if they're serving overseas, etc.. I mean, that comes with the job, but it kind of can't really plan for that. And I guess if you're a child, I mean, you had no say in the way, did you know? 00:53:32 S8: And this is the thing, you know, children don't choose to serve. They don't choose this life. They come along with the journey. So we really need to be stepping up to support them better, to make sure that they are supported, that they are recognized because we, we believe that they're serving to they they still sacrifice, you know, military kids can move around 2 to 3 times every or every 2 to 3 years. You know, that's a huge amount of moving. And when they do move, you know, they've got to make new friends, leave their old ones behind. And so there are some challenges that come with being a military child. But there's also some cool stuff. You know, they get to experience the world, they get to travel, they get to make new friends wherever they go. So there's definitely some highlights to being a military kid. But you know, they get to go on a ship every now and then and see, you know, see some cool stuff, which is pretty unique. But, you know, there are some challenges. And so when these kids are feeling a little bit sad, it's our job to really step up and make sure that they're feeling recognized and supported. 00:54:31 S2: What's a few things you can tell your schoolmates when you go to school on the Monday? But by the same token, if you're changing schools quite often, maybe your school mates aren't quite as close as, you know, the conventional child in their upbringing. So they're the little challenges or the big challenges that you're talking about. 00:54:47 S8: Absolutely. And that's why we're consistently reaching into community and saying, what resources do you need to support your child? So recently we created a new school activity pack. And what that does is that helps schools not only identify a military family, but, you know, lets them start that conversation how they best can be supported. So, you know, there's definitely things that we could do better. We're definitely doing as much as we can. We are a volunteer board. Um, everybody is, you know, we're not paid, we'll volunteer, but we are definitely we have a very large impact for the small amount of team that we are. I think we're only a team of eight. So. But we've got this right. Our military kids need it and we're here to step up. 00:55:31 S2: And the Commonwealth Bank is obviously seeing that too. We talked about, I guess, some of the challenges that kids have. And I guess we can all understand that, but it must be good when they get to mix other kids who are going through similar sort of challenges. Uh, you know, I'm not the only one or my sibling and I aren't the only ones that are going through this. That must be a pretty powerful thing as well. 00:55:50 S8: Oh, absolutely. And, you know, defense is a culture. So when you've got other people that have got your experiences, it empowers you because you can talk about the situation that you're going through and have a bit of a bit more empathy and, you know, a better understanding. But, you know, there are absolutely challenges. But I think generally military kids are pretty resilient because they have to be, you know, they have to be, but they're pretty cool. And we were we're very fortunate to be a part of this community and we're very fortunate to have people like Commbank. Understand the impact that we're having and to be able to support us because. Honestly, without supporters like this, we just wouldn't be able to do what we do. We really rely on corporate support in order to continue this program. So it is vital. But I think, you know, we have people who understand and who really get what we're doing. So we've been very lucky. I mean, we have ambassadors like, you know, deputy chief of Army, deputy chief of Navy, the chief of the Defence Force. So they get it. So they're supporting us as well as much as they

can. 00:56:53 S2: Obviously, you know, the the privileges, if you like, if I can put it in quotes that go with serving one thing. I mean, you know, sadly, sometimes things don't go well. I guess I'm thinking obviously in terms of industry. And then you've got the, the, the, the post serving, uh, stuff that can happen as well. Uh, how does that kind of play into what you do as well? I mean, I guess the, the good things that are great fun to sort of celebrate, but then there's the downtimes or the the incidents that happened that we kind of wish never happened. You kind of help as far as their kids. Uh, you know, kind of coping with that as well go. 00:57:27 S8: Yeah, absolutely. So what we're actually doing is we're looking to expand our parks into wellness parks also. So that will include for kids that literally are struggling and that aren't just that don't just have a parent that's deployed that will come on again. It's all it's always funding dependent. So as long as we can continue getting the funding that we're that we're getting, we'll continue to expand that path. We've also recently expanded into grief parks, which is absolutely heartbreaking. Um, but we've had to send out a few of those. We're serving members who passed away and their children have received a grief pack. You know, it's we just need to at the moment, we also lean into legacy. So we are I guess the difference between us and legacy is that we are a pipeline. So we really support all serving Ex-serving and reservist family. Their children and legacy obviously support the kids that are going through hardship. So what we do is we feed into legacy. So we sort of we work together, really, we refer in. And when things are going well, you know, we can also support the kids. So it's about working together as a community, I think, and really stepping up and filling those gaps. When we identify a family that needs a bit of extra love, I think there's no shortage of hands willing to help out. 00:58:42 S2: It's a great thing when organizations like yours and legacy do work together. Of course, the legacy very well respected for literally decades and decades, which is great. Uh, you tell us a little bit about yourself. Um, you obviously saw the need for this, but what about sort of writing a book and coming up with these different ideas and the different ways that you're helping people out? Tell us a bit about what makes you tick. 00:59:03 S8: Well, my background was a lawyer, so don't hold that against me. But I was a human rights lawyer prior to. Yeah. So I've always had this inkling to help people. It's always been, you know, I've always had it as a bit of a backbone and wanting to make this world a better place. So for me, I went into law and before that I was a youth worker. So it's always been, you know, I guess a life of service for me always. My grandfather was a police officer. My grandmother was a teacher. So I've always had discipline in my life. Um, and so I've kind of stepped into those two roles, I think quite well. But I look, I, you know, I loved being a lawyer. I loved helping people that really needed help. I did a lot of, uh, workplace injuries and things like that as well. So I instinctively know a lot about injuries, which has also been very helpful in this space. And so I sort of stepped into this space and did a bit of veteran claims as well to help them out where I could. But to be honest, before I created my children's book, it was all really about law. But mum, you know, becoming a mum really changes you and it changes your perspective on so many things. And for me, these girls are my world. And the reason that I, you know, created the book and then subsequently created the charity was I want a better world for my kids. I really just want all military kids to be supported. And I want them to feel secure and to feel happy because at the moment, I guess we have, you know, kids are, you know, they can struggle at times, but they're also linked to capability. And the world is an uncertain place. We don't know what's going to happen next week, next year, you know, you know, you know, we just don't know what's going to happen. And so for us, we really need to start supporting the families that are because then our service men and women can actually do their job without worrying about what's happening back home. So we see these kids and spouses and supporting the family unit as capability. And I think that's really powerful. 01:01:05 S2: What about the the creative side of your character, Hayley? Is that always kind of, uh, sort of been dormant and all of a sudden it's kind of been let loose because, you know, writing a book and they sound fun, cool books. I mean, they're, you know, yeah, that that in you somewhere. 01:01:20 S8: Yeah. Look, I've always really enjoyed drawing, to be quite honest. It's always been a passion of mine and I've always really loved it. I've definitely got some family in the background who, when I was younger, did a lot of drawing and things like that. So we've got a bit of a creative flair in our family, but really these illustrations that are on our book are created by the most amazing defense spouse, Nicole McKenzie. So she creates all the illustrations for us. So and we have beautiful writers as well who write the stories with us. And I'm one of the co-authors. But to be honest, I just feel like this is it's just so cool to be able to create a story and for kids to be able to read it and enjoy it. And it's, I don't know, it's unleashes creative flair, but I'm all here for it. I love it, I think it's great fun. 01:02:09 S2: And I would imagine obviously, you know, just by the dint of numbers that there'd be a service for people who serve and their kids might have disabilities. I guess that throws up another set of challenges apart from the the ones that we've spoken about already. 01:02:23 S8: Yeah. And there definitely is. So yeah, it's an interesting topic at the moment

because a lot of people are talking about the diagnosis with ADHD. And in the verses, a trauma response. A lot of them are from what I've heard, and this is purely online, but they're throwing off similar like symptoms. So it's, it's quite interesting. So at the moment we're, we're finding that there's quite a few kids, like not even just defence kids, to be quite honest, but just a lot of kids generally being diagnosed with ADHD and autism. My, my daughter isn't one of my daughters is on the spectrum and has ADHD. So I'm very well aware of those diagnoses and you know how to help her thighs and what supports to put around her, but it's definitely adds a different layer of complexity, that's for sure. 01:03:10 S2: Yes. Particularly with some of the challenges that they have, e.g., you know, the the parent not being around as much as, you know, another person's parent might be. 01:03:18 S8: Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, so when you have a child who already has a diagnosis and then there is a separation, it's absolutely, you know, going to make it a lot harder for that kid. So there are times that we really lean in and we have families that are contacting us. And, you know, we, we see what we can do at that point in time. But I mean, as I said, there's a lot of people around who are always willing to help out, which is really lovely. And the spouse groups, I've got to say, are amazing. I know that there's so many online that, you know, people are willing to step up really quickly. And even in the units, the spouses are just phenomenal. When there's when there's an issue, our family come together very quickly. 01:03:55 S2: And that's not to underestimate the impact upon the person who's away serving. They're thinking about their kids and how they're going, how's my spouse going, etc., with all this other stuff going on in the background. 01:04:05 S8: Yeah, absolutely. We want to make sure that they're they're secure, they're safe, they're happy, and that they're thriving so that our servicemen and women can do what they're over there to do. 01:04:15 S2: If people want to find out more, how can we do that? 01:04:17 S8: Uh, you can go to our website, which is w w w dot kits, and it's K I'd z defense kits with az.org.au. That's our charity website. We've also got books online you can have a look at. And that's the same defence kids but it's just.com.au. So um have a look through the charity. There's also a lot of free resources on there which are really cool. There's a lot of coloring sheets for kids and a lot of schools use those resources, especially coming up to Remembrance Day. I think, um, there's some really good resources to be able to print and bring them into the school. And you know what? If it helps the military child feel seen, I'm all here for it. 01:04:56 S2: Terrific. Hayley, congratulations and well done. Also to the Commonwealth Bank and their staff for providing this funding for a number of charities, which is tremendous. Thank you

for spending a bit of time with us. 01:05:06 S8: Thank you so much. Appreciate your time. 01:05:08 S2: It's highly possible that he's the founder and CEO for Defense Kids with a Z. So we'll put those details up on our show notes, but certainly very richly deserved as far as their grant goes and obviously going to a great cause. Well, Halloween is coming up and if you believe it or not, and if you think about zombies and exorcisms and that sort of stuff, well, maybe a long bow, but maybe your super might be coming into this conversation. Let's chat about it with Jess Ricks, who looks after insurance services at Aware Super. Just great to catch up. 01:05:42 S9: Great to be here, Peter. Thanks for having me. 01:05:44 S2: Are we drawing long bows? We probably are. But, you know, getting into the spirit of things, pardon the pun. 01:05:50 S9: That's it. That's it. 01:05:51 S2: Now. Well, actually, you know, very serious topics and rather, I guess, disturbing information coming out from the Australian tax office. 01:05:59 S9: Yeah. Look, we're here to talk a little bit about zombie accounts. And just to draw that long bow connection, zombie accounts often a forgotten super account. It's alive, but it's not really doing that much for you. And they often appear after a job change, moving house or maybe a major life event. You might not even realize the account exists, and in some cases, the accounts they can slowly chip away at your retirement savings, which we don't like to see. And that can be through duplicate account fees and insurance premiums. 01:06:28 S2: Who's at most risk or how does this kind of happen? You've kind of touched on some examples. I guess it's just, you know, because we're all a bit too busy or maybe just, you know, sort of take our eye off the ball for that bit of time and, you know, all of a sudden a month or years gone past. 01:06:43 S9: Yeah. Look, the most common reasons are changing jobs, moving house or not updating your contact details. And if a fund can't contact you, the account becomes inactive or as we've said, a zombie account, and it might be classified as lost in some circumstances, the money can eventually be transferred to the ATO. And it's I suppose it's named unclaimed Super. The money's absolutely safe, but many Australians don't realise it's there. 01:07:08 S2: I guess it's safe. But as you say, there's fees that might be chipping away at it. 01:07:12 S9: Yeah. That's it. It's just not working as hard as it could for you. It's not invested. And the issue is that for for many Australians, it could impact your retirement, your retirement savings and what you could retire on. That's why we really recommend tracking it down and bringing it back into your active fund. 01:07:30 S2: And as far as the fund's working well for you guys, I guess it's all about the benefits of compounding, isn't it? 01:07:36 S9: That's that's correct. You use the the key word. We talk a lot about that in super, that compound interest benefit. And if it's if it's unclaimed and not invested, you're not getting that benefit. 01:07:46 S2: What about in terms of people who might have left the workforce for a little bit? They either have children or for whatever reason, maybe care for a, you know, somewhere in their family for whatever reason. Are they kind of maybe potentially at risk as well? 01:07:59 S10: Yeah. Look, it falls into. 01:08:00 S9: The same category. The first step, I suppose, is understanding where your super is. And the best way to do that is logging on to MyGov and following the steps through to the ATO portal. It only takes a couple of minutes, and that way you can get a complete picture as to where your super is. If you have multiple accounts. And then from there you can look to take next steps. And that could be consolidating any accounts into one into your preferred fund. And then there's just a couple of things that we do ask or recommend that members check and that's that your insurer, if you have any insurance attached to those accounts before you consolidate them. And yeah, depending on your fund aware super, we can absolutely help you or you can do it yourself online. 01:08:41 S2: Is it the sort of thing that, uh, you know, people tend to say, well, I'll get around to it tomorrow. Is that kind of another issue? I mean, maybe they even know about their zombie account, but, you know, that can sort of wait. I guess as we kind of touched on that, that potentially costing you money. 01:08:55 S10: Yeah. That's it. 01:08:56 S9: I think it's, it's one of those jobs that people often leave late, but we often say it's never too late. And and if you have a couple of minutes, maybe sitting on the couch or on a weekend, there's a couple of public holidays coming up, this is something that's worth that five minute investment, which really could impact your long term retirement outcomes. 01:09:13 S2: What about as far as the amount of money that we could be talking about? Because, I mean, that's quite concerning as well. I mean, we're not talking, you know, a few dollars. Uh, the tax office say this is a, an average of some 40 odd thousand. 01:09:26 S9: Yeah. Look, I suppose more broadly, Australians have more than 21 billion in lost and unclaimed super, which is a huge amount of money. And you're right, the average lost super balance is around 41,000. So it is a big sum of money. And it's worth just checking if once you've had that number. 01:09:43 S2: Yeah. Well, I mean, if it's you and you know, it might be, as I say, someone that is close to you that you might be helping out as well, that could be the sort of thing that could be a very worthwhile investigation. Uh, so it doesn't take too long to do it. I guess one of the things that was sort of concerning or puzzling in a sense. Yes. And you might not be able to answer this, but with everything kind of being so linked these days, how can sort of things kind of slip through the net? 01:10:09 S9: Yeah. Look, I think

that people grow up, they change jobs. They, you know, their, their status, marital status might change. They might move internationally. You're right. They can, they can lose track of, of the many different accounts that they might have. I think that's the benefit of being able to log into MyGov, which is, is something most Australians have access to. And then from there, the ATO portal does allow you to at least have a look at what accounts you may have had in the past, what you have now and then. It is quite helpful in supporting you through those next steps. So yeah, I think it's a it's a great first step just to log on to MyGov and then onto the ATO online service. 01:10:45 S2: We've touched on the fees that it's kind of chipping away at you. I guess once they're gone, they're gone. I mean, okay, you might get your super back or, you know, find it sort of aggravated with the other accounts that you might have and on you go with the compounding. But once it's gone, it's gone. In terms of what it's cost you up until this particular point. 01:11:04 S9: Yeah. Well that's it. And that's probably the the call out if I can is the sooner you log on and find out if you do have any lost super or zombie accounts, as we've we've said, you know, the better off you'll be and that long term benefit will be there. 01:11:18 S2: I know I'm probably asking the proverbial Dorothy Dixer question to you, but obviously for people who are thinking about getting employment or whatever, I mean, super is a really great way to do it. I mean, I guess from the government's point of view that the more people put into their super, of course, you know, within the rules, of course, the, the better it is for everyone, particularly long term, as far as, I guess, less stress on the pension system or the welfare system as well. 01:11:41 S9: Yeah. It's a, it's a, it's an interesting point. The yeah, the super system in Australia is, is, you know, a leading global system. And, you know, we have this great benefit of a portion of your salary going there when you're working. So, you know, I think that, you know, if you're in a position to contribute more or want to know what you could contribute based on your circumstances. We do offer ways that you can, I suppose, model it a few different scenarios on our calculators@aware.com.au, and you can just have a little bit of a play around and see what could an extra or small amount of money that you contribute. Now, what could that look like into the future? So yeah, there's so many different ways that you can improve your retirement outcomes. But first is, is where are you at now and what can you afford to contribute that could impact that long term retirement outcome? 01:12:27 S2: Yes, a little bit of a cheeky one before you go. Often at the end of a financial year, we kind of get the list of those that have performed well. That's in the super, uh, companies that have performed well and those that haven't. Is it a bit competitive out there? Like, uh, you know what it's like to be near the top of the list rather than that, you know, down the way a bit? 01:12:46 S9: Look, it, it is a competitive market. And look, I think that the one message that I will leave you with is, you know, superannuation is, is for the long term. So really what you should be looking at is the long term returns. So when you're thinking about the fund to choose or the fund that you're with, it's having a look at that long term retirement benefit and, and how your fund is performing in the long term. 01:13:08 S2: All right. So just because they did okay yesterday doesn't mean that you got to look a bit further than that. 01:13:14 S9: Yeah. It's the long term game. 01:13:16 S2: Look under the hood as I like to say. 01:13:17 S9: Yes that's absolutely right. 01:13:20 S2: All right. Well I mean on a serious note again to finish up, uh, if you or someone you know may have a zombie account or maybe haven't quite checked your super, I should say. So the ATO is probably the best starting point. 01:13:33 S9: Yeah. Look, just to recap, it's a really fast job. Log into MyGov. Follow the prompts to the ATO online service. Select super. Check what super accounts you hold. You can look to consolidate. If you do have multiple accounts, just check if you have any insurance. That's really important. You don't want to impact your insurance coverage. And then if you're an aware super member, we can help you. You can do that online yourself, or you can give us a call. 01:13:57 S2: All right. What's your website? 01:13:59 S9: Uh, it's a web.com.au. 01:14:01 S2: Uaware.com.au. As it sounds, just to catch up, a really important message. And who knows, there might be $41,000 out there just waiting for you to access. Well, probably not you because you're probably woke up to this, but maybe one of our listeners or some of our listeners might have 41,000 out there that they've overlooked. 01:14:20 S9: It's worth having a look. 01:14:21 S2: It certainly is. I just tried to catch up. Thanks for your time. 01:14:24 S9: Thanks so much, Peter. Take care. 01:14:26 S2: That's a gesture there from aware super. That's a very important mission. 41,000. That's the average. So there's probably people out there with even more than that. So check it out. And don't have a zombie account. Not on your name anyway. 01:14:38 S11: Hi everyone. I'm Allison Davies. I'm a registered music therapist specializing in using music to support our brain to function at its best. You're listening to Leisure Link with Peter Greco on the Vision Australia Radio Network. 01:14:54 S2: Well, the Best of Business awards have recently been announced by Telstra. Let's chat about it with Nick handy from Telstra. Nick, great to catch up with you and thank you for your time. 01:15:04 S12: Thank you so much for having me Peter. It's a great time of year for us. 01:15:07 S2: How important are these awards? 01:15:08 S12: Oh they're very important. We hear so much from the

businesses. So we have over 20,000 nominees every single year for these awards. And we have again this year. And the two things we hear from businesses as we go through is, one, they learn so much about themselves through going through their business as part of the application process. And secondly, it's that validation. It's celebration of small businesses right across the country. So they're the reasons why we think this is really important for the Australian businesses. 01:15:36 S2: And I guess, you know, we often hear about how important small businesses for the economy. And this kind of makes sense at that point. 01:15:43 S12: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, they're absolutely the backbone of the economy. And we all know over the last few years some of them have done it tough. The amazing thing about the small business segment of the Australian market is it's still growing. So there's so much resilience in this in this segment of the market. And that's why we love celebrating them all. 01:15:59 S2: So Nick, how does that happen? Do businesses nominate themselves or does someone nominate them or do they kind of, uh oh, do you go out looking for them? How does that all work out? 01:16:08 S1: Yeah. 01:16:09 S12: The application process, uh, opens up earlier in the year and it's all sorts of nominations. So some businesses can nominate themselves. A lot of businesses get nominated by locals in the community. And as I said before, normally over 20,000 nominees come in. And that was true again this year. And then from there, the the really rigorous process starts. 01:16:30 S2: The fact that 20,000 get nominated. It's a bit of validation for what you're doing, isn't it? 01:16:34 S12: I think so if you add that up over time, I mean, I, of course we get some nominees year after year, but but again, you add up the, the 20,000/30 years. Uh, that's a lot of small businesses in the Australian economy that have been part of this process. 01:16:49 S2: And I guess the recognition of, uh, well, I, I being nominated then if you get through to, uh, the situation where you got finalists, uh, that's a fabulous thing. 01:16:59 S12: Yeah. It is. So we've got 28 winners. So there's four categories across the board. So we've got the change award, the growth award, the First Nations Award, and the Innovation Award. Uh, and there's a winner from each state or territory. So we've got 28 winners going to the national finals. And I was lucky enough to call the Victorian winners last week and, and give them the news. And they were absolutely blown away. It was definitely the best part of my job for this year so far. 01:17:25 S2: And they go to Hobart, don't they, for the uh, for sort of national finals. 01:17:29 S12: They do. They do. We try and move it around the country every year. So two years ago it was in Melbourne, last year it was in Brisbane and this year it's in Hobart. And yeah, they go down for, for, for essentially a pitch to a panel of judges. And those judges are

some really impressive business executives or past winners who they sit down and talk to and tell why their business is is should be the national winner for for each of these categories. And then we, we treat them to a couple of days of celebration with some time out at, at Mona and, um, and then we have a really nice, um, awards celebration night for them as well. So, so we're really looking forward to that because one of the biggest opportunities they have is start to mingle and connect with other businesses that are going through this process like them. And that's where we hear from these businesses that they get a lot of value. 01:18:18 S2: Like you said something earlier in the interview about, uh, when the business is nominated or get nominated, gives them a chance to kind of like self examine. Do you want to kind of expand a bit on that? Because I guess we can all kind of, um, learn a lot from, uh, a bit of introspection rather than, uh, you know, reflecting out, if I can put it that way. 01:18:35 S12: Yeah. We've actually re-engineered these awards over the last few years. Last year there was more categories. We've condensed that to four categories. Uh, we've changed the format of the night a little bit. One of the things that we got feedback from all of our previous winners, whether they be state or national, is please leave the rigor in the process because it helps us learn so much about our business. So we ask for things like, you know, their financial statements over the last few years, what their business trajectory is, why they exist, what their core purpose is, all these sorts of things. And a lot of businesses haven't asked themselves that since they established themselves at the very beginning. So that process of going through their performance and their purpose, uh, really helps them, um, make sure that they're on the path they set out to achieve at the initial stages. 01:19:22 S2: Of their businesses. So kind of for profit. I mean, you know, they're there to make a living for themselves and their families, if you like, and hopefully set themselves up for the future. But I guess you touched on it as well. It is a good way of connecting with the community as well. So there's kind of that aspect and that angle to it as well. 01:19:39 S12: Yeah, absolutely. And again, a lot of these businesses are so surprised to get nominated initially from a local member of the community, let alone get through to a to a national final. So, so all those moments of validation for, as I said before, a segment of the Australian market that is very resilient and has gone through a lot over the last few years, is so important for them. 01:20:02 S2: And a really good thing. You've got a category, if you like, for, uh, First Nations, uh, businesses. That's a great thing as well because that kind of, uh, you know, they deserve the, uh, I was going to say the attention, but they deserve the focus as well. 01:20:16 S12: Yeah, absolutely. We've got some absolutely amazing First Nations businesses, some doing work for First Nations people and some not some just absolutely thriving in the broader community. So, uh, again, all of these awards, the change awards, the growth award, the First Nations Awards, the innovation award, they are chosen for a really specific reason. And we love celebrating all, all these businesses in these areas. 01:20:38 S2: I guess they're all important in their own right. I was going to ask you which category is more important? I'm thinking like, obviously innovation is pretty important. And maybe, you know, in 2026 more than ever in terms of AI, etc.. 01:20:52 S12: Look, again, I don't have a favorite, but, but but the innovation Australian Australians really punch above their weight in terms of the way they innovate in every industry, particularly the medical industry. So I love reading the stories and chatting to, to those that sit in the innovation award because again, on a global stage, we really do a lot of the heavy lifting. 01:21:13 S2: Yeah. I don't know that there was might have been around in the day, but you know, cochlear and their implants, I mean, they've made such an enormous difference to, uh, many people with a hearing impairment or who are deaf. And I, I guess that's the kind of example, particularly in that medical area. I mean, a maybe, uh, extending life, but also extending quality of life. 01:21:33 S12: Exactly, exactly. 01:21:34 S2: Well, Nick, congratulations to all those. So when's the big announcement? When does the, uh, celebrations, uh, kind of reach their peak in Hobart? When does that happen? 01:21:42 S1: Yeah. 01:21:43 S12: So everyone will come down to Hobart on the 24th or 25th of November. So it's not very far away now. And then on the 26th we'll have the announcement of the ultimate Telstra Best of Business Award winner. And last year it was Rama Health who were an amazing business led by an amazing leader who's done some great things and leveraged the platform to really help more people across the world and grow into different regions of the of the world. And we're really hoping that the businesses who win their category, and then obviously the overall Telstra Business Award can use the platform to drive some real change across the globe as well. 01:22:17 S2: And make a bit of a cheeky one before you go. These are smaller businesses that you kind of say to them, listen, when you make a big remember us when we got you there. 01:22:26 S12: That's right. Of course, of course, all of our winners over 30 years. We make sure we come back and make sure they remember us from from when they were a bit smaller than what they are now. 01:22:36 S2: Okay, I think we'd all be guilty of that and good to catch up. And congratulations on the initiative. 01:22:40 S12: Yeah. Thank you so much for having me. Really looking forward to the next month and congratulations to all the winners so far. 01:22:45 S2: They can do that from Telstra with their best

business awards. And uh, well, maybe if you didn't nominate this year or didn't get nominated this year, uh, make a bit of a mental note. Maybe next year might be your year. But to those that have been nominated, good luck in the next month or so. Our link extra. This week we're going to catch up with Senator David Pocock. We spoke to David shortly after being elected to the Senate. He wanted to make his first speech to Parliament more inclusive by including people who were deaf or hard of hearing. Had a bit of a battle to do this, but also on the back of a wonderful address at the National Press Club, particularly the tribute he played to Helen Hayes, the member of Parliament, in that dreadful instance during the week, so represented Australia 83 times at rugby union, captained Australia at rugby union. Obviously a fierce competitor but also a gentle side, but a sword of David that wants to see the world be more inclusive. Let's hear from Senator David Pocock. David, if I may call you that. Thanks so much for your time. 01:23:50 S5: Hi, Peter. Thanks for having me. 01:23:51 S2: Congratulations on your on your election. I keep saying selection because I still think you're a sporting person. 01:23:56 S13: Yeah, I guess I was selected in a way, through a very long winded Senate voting process. Ended up taking a few weeks to finally get the result. But, you know, such a, such a privilege to to be in here representing a community I love, you know, on so many issues that are that are important to people of the act. 01:24:17 S2: When did you decide that politics was going to be for you, particularly maybe after your playing career? 01:24:23 S13: Only in December last year, while I was playing, I'd been involved in a number of issues that I thought were important and wanted to try and further the conversation around. I knew what it was like to be that young rugby player who, you know, idolised players who were playing professionally and so figured, well, I should be using whatever platform I have to actually talk about issues that I think are important but didn't really didn't think politics was for me. And then last year was approached by a community group here in the city who were looking for an independent Senate candidate. They'd done some work. They thought that it was possible. It had never been done before. But they came to me saying, listen, with the right candidate, we really believe we can do this. And I thought about it for a few months and eventually figured, well, this is probably something that I'd regret not having a crack at. I don't want to sit around after the election or in a few years time thinking, well, I wonder what could have been. And so I launched myself into it, ran a really grassroots campaign, essentially crowdsourced my policy platform, and it clearly resonated. And, you know, here we are with a very different looking parliament. It's exciting. 01:25:32 S2: Dave, you talked about heroes or idols that you looked up to as a sporting young lad. Uh, anyone you look up to as far as politics go? 01:25:40 S13: Oh, you know, as moving from Zimbabwe, as a teenager, someone who I really looked up to. And I think I've read pretty much every book he's written was Desmond Tutu. Okay, so not exactly a politician, but played a huge role in South Africa, not only campaigning against apartheid, but then once apartheid ended and there were elections, he did a huge amount of work to actually try and bring South Africans together. And yeah, just love his the way he did things, his sense of humour. So he's probably someone he's not your typical political figure, but someone I look up to. 01:26:18 S2: In your, um, information on Wikipedia says that after your career, you turned your attention to conservationism and social inclusion and social justice. So where did that come from? I guess the conservationist side of things we can kind of understand because it's, you know, very much, uh, something that's very much in people's minds. But the social inclusion and the social justice. Where do those sort of influences come from? 01:26:41 S13: Good question. Conservation side of things. I grew up on a farm and from an early age, age had a love of nature, a real fascination with the natural world. And that's grown, I think as you learn more about what we're actually doing to our home, to the places that we live. You want to be part of changing that and actually looking better, looking after this incredible place we get to call home. When it comes to inclusion, you know, I don't know, I guess I was raised in a family where it was really important to, to be respecting people for who they are and not judging them. And then I guess on top of that, my experience as a teenager moving to Australia sport was huge for me. It was a way that I made friends, you know, once I was on the sporting field, I didn't feel like I was the new kid with the funny accent. I was just part of the team and could could make friends and could develop relationships. And I wanted that to be available to all kids. And talking to, you know, friends who moved from Zimbabwe, a similar age to me but were black. They had a very different experience in sport. And then you talk to people who, yeah, maybe gay. They've had it again, a whole different experience. And you realise just how far we have to go to ensure that people can actually be who they are. They can bring their full self to the classroom, the sporting field, be who they are. And I think we all benefit when we're creating a more inclusive society. 01:28:19 S2: It's such a great point, David. One of the things that really piqued our interest in there, we wanted to have a chat to you and you've made yourself available. Was the situation regarding the Auslan interpreter in Parliament? Can you tell us about that? 01:28:32 S13: Sure. Uh, not long after I after the election result, I had a few people in the community write in and say, listen, we want to come and watch your

first speech in the Senate. Would you consider having an interpreter so we can actually see what you're saying? And I thought, well, of course. Uh, yeah, as an independent, one of the things I talked a lot about during the campaign was wanting to be accessible to the community, to be transparent and wanting to be held accountable. And I figured, well, this is just a small way to actually do that, to ensure that the deaf community can actually watch my first speech. And so I thought, well, this, this should be a pretty straightforward thing to do. All I needed was permission from the leaders in the Senate of the of the major parties. And so I wrote to them and got responses saying, no, we we don't want to allow what they call a stranger on the floor and interpret it to stand next to me. Uh, we're worried about the precedent that will set the greens to their credit. Uh, approved it very, very quickly. They said they were happy. Happy for it. So yeah, then they, they helped find a workaround where we had an interpreter on a, on a big screen in the Senate screens that were set on the Senate floor. And then on the broadcast, it was sort of a side by side. So, you know, we found a solution in the end. I think it was another reminder of just the the barriers that, you know, many people in our community being included. 01:30:10 S2: So is that convention protocol? I mean, you know, I guess, you know, perhaps last year or the year before with, um, Covid in, in the air as it were, it could have been maybe forgiven. Uh, you know, I guess, uh, you know, terrorism is also, uh, something that people have to bear in mind when you talk about that sort of thing, but, you know, surely to make something more accessible or more inclusive where you think people would say, yeah, no worries. What a great idea. We can do it for everyone. 01:30:37 S13: Yeah, that's the way I thought about it. You know, convention isn't is important. It provides us with a framework of the way that we do things. But it's also really important that when we realize, hang on, there's a better way to do this that we can change. And that's one of the things about the Senate, the Senate, the Senate essentially makes all its own rules. There's this thick book called the Standing Orders, which are all the Senate rules, and they can be changed simply by having the majority of people in the Senate say, oh, no, we used to think that this was a bad idea, but now we're actually going to allow someone to stand next to a senator for a first speech or, you know, some important thing that we want to get across. But yeah, we're not there yet. I'll keep having those conversations to have committed to actually reviewing it in a Senate committee. So we'll see what comes out of that. 01:31:29 S2: I know you're busy and there's so much we would love to have covered now that we've made contact with you. And hopefully we can maybe speak to you again in the future, because you've got a few years up the sleeve now that you've been elected to the Senate. Again, congratulations, and thank you so much for spending just a little bit of time with us. It's been great. And as I said, hopefully we can catch up with you again in the future. 01:31:47 S13: Thanks, Peter. Great to chat. 01:31:49 S2: That's Senator David Pocock, just inducted into the Senate, if you like, or just elected into the Senate. And what a what a great story. What an interesting story regarding access, particularly as far as isolation goes onto the floor of the Senate. Very sad to hear of the passing of River night during the week. Very sad to hear that news. River. We spoke a number of times. The wonderful advocate, particularly for people with disabilities involved with disability Australian community. So very sad. Anyone that knew River. Our deepest sympathy. Certainly very sad when we hear of a death of someone who was so important. As far as, uh, advocacy goes. So rest in peace River night. Some good news that we launched a couple of weeks ago. We broke the news that the National Pharmacy's Christmas pageant, November 14th will be broadcast live on various radio radio. So stand by for that. If you're listening on radio at the moment, you'll hear that on this particular channel on the 14th of November, a Saturday morning. So stand by. We'll have more news as that gets closer. Also interesting news during the week from the Victorian government, as they gave $3 million to the Olympic and Paralympic Movement, helping our athletes get to the 2028 games. They said it was because this year is celebrating 70 years since the Olympic Games were held in Melbourne. November 22nd. They were launched. Uh, so not quite the 70 years, but I guess with an election coming up, might not be a bad little tactical move on behalf of the Victorian government. So I'm sure that money will be gratefully accepted by all those who are on that plane to Los Angeles in 2028. Stand by for more news about that. I think that's when television was instituted into Australia, particularly for the Sydney and Melbourne markets, for the Melbourne Games. Of course, other states took it on later on, but 1956 TV and the Olympics in Australia. Of course, that year the Stoke Mandeville Games run in London. No Paralympic Games until 1960. The Stoke Mandeville Games were on before then, so that's what happened for athletes with disabilities in 1956. Bit of history. Some quotes before we go. Here's one from Meredith. Meredith. Meredith says the grass is always greener when you water it. Okay. Thank you, Meredith, for that. Also, I asked this person if I could use it. We spoke to, uh, Doctor Sina Gottschalk from the centre for Eye Research a few weeks ago on the focal point, and she came up with a great quote that one of her lecturers said during her time studying. When the lecturer said about rare diseases, these diseases are rare until you're in the chair, which I thought was a pretty cool one. I said to Cena, can we use it? And Cena said, yes. So we have. Also, if I may pinch one from the Governor General, Her Excellency Samantha Mostyn, who said during the week about exercising our muscle of decency. I thought that was a great way to put it. Let's all exercise that muscle of decency. Just a little bit more from from this day forth. Some birthdays before we go. How's this for a synchronicity or coincidence or quirk? Stellar glory having a birthday. And so is Sam Colley. Both Stella and Sam have presented Talking vision, so I like it when things like that happen. So, Stella and Sam. Happy birthday to you guys. Hope you have a great day. Uh, also very happy birthday to Beck. We spoke to Beck a few weeks ago regarding her book about how she's overcome the condition of endometriosis. Happy birthday to you, Beck. And a couple of people who've been with the program for a long, long time, Justine Van Eisen. We spoke to Justine back in the early days of wrestling when the Justine was competing very well as a swimmer. Happy birthday to you, Justine. Now doing very well in the area of art. And I know this doesn't happen very often, but occasionally we give someone a mention on both programs. Faye Rolek, you're getting that today. Happy birthday for a couple of days time. Faye coming up very soon. Thanks for your loyal and wonderful support. Now, if you're listening through regional Victoria or southern New South Wales, you're off to local programs. Enjoy those. If you're listening in the metropolitan area, we are off to weekend magazine. You into the weekend like we like to do. If you're listening elsewhere, really good programs follow on 103.5. The team is in spinning some great tunes, so enjoy those. Sam Rickard, thanks so much for your help. Kate, you're a fabulous person. Thank you so much for your skills as well. We really appreciate that. Reminding you that listening is available wherever you get your favorite podcast. Thank you for listening in. Be kind to yourselves. Be gentle, be thoughtful, and look out for others. All being well, let's look back at the same time next week. On Vision Australia Radio and the Reading Radio Network. This has been. Leslie produced and presented from Vision Australia Radio and Adelaide Donnellan. 01:37:16 S14: Who.