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On the conclusion to our series, we cover Mark David Chapman's slow descent into madness and the day that changed the world of music forever.

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00:00:51when I do pull Lexington Ohio to look like these I live off tablet face it's a big dog Mattis like I look yo, I bought a new shirt today it's from Target and she's like
00:01:12Beautiful cast of the left everyone I am Ben Kissel with Marcus parks get over there I'm from Liverpool I told to keep a download to move your head with that that's amazing I'm trying I'm trying to grasp how to be a better performer try to get it and I know that if I just actually tried maybe I could do it going on but I like it I don't have clothes that was a good that was good alright we're on the road to love this Maniac is Mark David Chapman character we have a lot more to discuss
00:02:12her coming back on my gosh so when we last left Mark David Chapman he had developed a drink and have it was deeply in debt and his mental health was rapidly deteriorating I do like the idea of developing a drinking habit like you're the scientist invented Flubber in the basement with Mark David Chapman to what I like is when people write about him in general they always do the Zip Zap zop of like a starter work as a security guard and then he found a Catcher in the Rye and then he read a book about John Lennon murdered John Lennon demon gate the fact that he became a shuffling muttering crazy person like she became a three-person like in a second I mean he still had a house and a wife and shit but at the time it was like he was going on autopilot into cuckoo bananas town and everyone was watching
00:03:12you sent all right well not all the time though because he could compartmentalize it like he would keep kept going back and forth between being that stretch Hamlin Street person and then snapping back into his like alright I'm going to work Best of Both Worlds part of the port of that was helping him tighten his boot laces were
00:03:32brown bed before
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00:03:37well I thought the time that his mental health started going downhill that's when Mark David Chapman's childhood Imaginary Friends the little people return not news the last time he made them up these time this time they just like showed up oh I see they came back to haunt him yet the last time it was like okay I'm going to create these little people this monarchy so I can feel better about myself at this time it's just like describe this Marcus it's kind of it's weird obviously we'll obviously very fucking weird freaky little people did grown up put on three piece suit democracy complete with cabinet positions
00:04:37similar to what happened with fucking with our last trip with Nicholas and with the creation of the Duma basically the fun but all of a sudden these are very serious little people show up in suit and he has to negotiate with them in order to get shit done
00:04:59call especially when you're used to being an autographed yeah I absolutely was there a little person president there was one of specifically loyal little person named Robert who used to take Mark David Chapman aside and kind of do a one-on-one diplomacy with him and she came in just like Mark or spending a lot of money you're buying first class tickets to these weird little vacations just you're just blowing money on all of these horseshit you're weird Court collections during his time. He became an art collector decertifying By Boring money from his family in order to buy pieces of art that he thought he could flip your money cuz I know I Got the Touch I've seen Antiques Roadshow and they all talk like me but it turns out he's not a good businessman and did not know how to flip art fair though that's a crucial part of investing for the 70s
00:05:5990s it up to the early 2000s Beanie Babies my mom $1,000, rules of only are passed down by Death from one curio cabinet for the next can imagine you next to all those fragile little boys and little girls with overalls and their fishing poles
00:06:31Boardwalk sandal in the kitchen and he's like don't worry I got everything figured out the little people are back to help us figure out everything and she's just like okay every wife's dream I will say Gloria Chapman has to end she's up there with Jerry Jerry brudos his wife as far as being understanding LOL sure she was also sort of kept is out of a vaguely like a hostage yeah she was both scared and adoring of of Mark to Chapman I mean he is drowning in debt from cuz he's buying dollies he's buying Picasso's well a quote on quote on quote on quote Picasso's right so Chapman's bought a dolly dolly used to have these these little like signs on his desk that said Salvador Dali knee bought one of those for $5,000
00:07:29it's a Chapman put the little people in charge of operation freedom from debt in front of mazingly through a series of subcommittees cabinet reviews and Congressional hearings all done by the little people in his brain it fucking parked while okay this is my problem. The only reason why we think that his budgeting cortical budgeting system work is because he said it worked it out and shows the budget and it just a picture of Bugs Bunny sucking his own dick do you think it actually did work out cuz I think Gloria did say that it did work out and as we'll see later he had a lot of money to take care of a certain missions that he had
00:08:29okay thank you little people will the thing was about all of this is that the little people didn't actually seem to be the problem it's a Mark David Chapman's Depression had returned in with it came and obsessive nature the only grew as time went on Chapman also decided to start becoming what we would call a professional pain in the ass people in Hawaii yeah he became a real George Costanza like immediately he called in bomb threats like he was doing every time you saw something he didn't like he called in a bomb threat he was just making late-night phone calls do anything call me like your frigerator is running better go catch it again and again or landlord because he didn't like his former landlord to attend in like 5 10 20 pizzas every single I've had to pay for it otherwise it's just a gift
00:09:29he is very sick and if the little people are at the problem that's a problem like it's a theme from Doctor Strange Love and then I know that's only my secondary problem and how old are 25 but I mean the phone calls he made like they weren't just like that like little innocent annoying type things like he started making death threats to a TV repairman who once treated him rudely that is the last thing of TV repairmen needs I'm watching you I'm going to get you I'm going to follow you home and kill you never answer a payphone
00:10:29might be for me who are you why would it be for you that problem is that the time people were itching all the time everybody was a bus was totally normal was fine and they didn't make sure the Matrix it in happened yet it didn't exist yet so they didn't know that sometimes but they phone just randomly ringing if you pick it up an answer it you kids I happen to the fucking Matrix just a bunch of Marty McFly's their hitch in their ride the other cars and then there was the dr. Chapman's old mental hospital the doctor hasn't done anything wrong to Chapman for Chapman still called him to tell him he was going to die while playing a laughing box which is an old 70s gag and laughing boxes sound like this
00:11:23I don't like it
00:11:28thank you for laughing box that was actual audio of Marcus getting a colonoscopy and the doctors and they were horrified terrified but it has come back and your health is okay okay I got to go downstairs back and everything's okay are we going to get the footage of your swollen asshole or not have a picture but it's in black and white so it doesn't pop ya collar I sit we can send it over to Turner Classic Movies with the original moon landing got into A3 week-long encounter with the local Harry Krishna
00:12:26that only ended when a neighbor told him that the last guy to mess with the krishnas got a syringe full of acid in the face now that's also conjecture and it seems to be a woman was watching him her ass the Hari krishnas crazy attracts crazy right so he's out there yelling at Hari krishnas been on ya always dancing so good to feel about you all day you want to dance like nobody's watching what I'm watching I'm watching all of a sudden a woman comes out of the store and she's like don't talk to these Hari krishnas have bad news cuz when you talk to the Hari krishnas they just figure you feel like it wasn't Harry Krishna no never no no no no no no no no George Harrison just he went to India and he hooked up with them and those are not Harry Krishna absolutely not
00:13:26all right I do like the idea of a dangerous Rogue gang of Merry Christmas alright I always confused and then he came back and put out All Things Must Pass which is fantastic it was worth it was worth it all the work that he did was worth it because he came back he reversed his Rachel dolezal which is very different right
00:13:58the Mark David Chapman she did all of this shit in a specially made t-shirt that said I'm unique I think for myself and it for yourself like a shirt that says that exact eggs
00:14:15maker and had them he came up with the idea for the shirt but this is the greatest thing anyone has ever come up with this is going to tell everybody in the world all they need to know about you got it made it almost everyday wow cool man he wore to the point where it was tattered and brown he wore it like a everywhere he goes and he made it angrily like when he may have everybody I dare them to laugh at me and when they did he starts screaming at him called him a phony I see it looks like he say he's got that persecution complex is really ramping up and he's searching for identity but he's also looking at people like he's just poking a hole to make me angry make me I need it I need to be grounded cuz that happens when people a lot is with people like this it is they need attention or doesn't matter whether it's good attention or it's bad attention if they feel like a nobody if they feel like nobody
00:15:15attention then they'll just start being a pain in the ass so somebody will feel some emotion towards the aqua toddlers do basically pretty much pretty much and what's interesting is that Gloria was there giving him attention but for some reason he always viewed her as lesser than he always viewed as lesser than his first love the girl that broke his heart when he was like fucking 12 years old and so that was supposed to be his one true love and Glory was just kind of followed him around out of here and weird respect and he ignored her. I got to say it's one of those things as you age you know like Britney Spears I really like Britney Spears when I when I was when I was 15 she was 15 PS4 you can't think about her 21% so you can't yeah that's it but now we have Instagram so at least we can see them now I mean so we can actually see that they blossomed in that their breasts are filled
00:16:15and it's legal to be with it right in front of it that's always a tricky ground there no phonies was a fairly new word in Chapman's vocabulary but it would have been truly be the most important word in Chapman's life he'd been reintroduced to it during his quest to read the whole Honolulu Library wow oh yeah I mean it's almost like you don't like you know like I only smoke when I drink it's like he's like I only walk around when I drink so he got every day cuz I always work for the security guard agency he can do it half lit right so he would just go AWOL from his job and Wander over to the Honolulu library with his foot he had his fucking but in his bag but you got every single morning at his big tall boy he'd walk in there and then he'd walk down the aisles and just pick books and then his idea was to just read ever
00:17:15single Wall of China made it to all of the mystery section one of them security guard uniform who's obviously not to work
00:17:27just a ruse visible visible right I will just read alone no one questioned I guess it's easy going in Hawaii I guess so it's just that is one of the strangest part of this whole thing he hit a thirst for read it but they also have a thirst for Booze those things in a relatively productive way I know you're like never go well together to just start like I'm in the book at some point you know what you're saying those are the writers like my imagination by depression very rarely is the reader the alcoholic drink a lot of all the time of reading
00:18:18LeVar Burton turn into a masteller because of me. I could see it really is too intense I was playing my video game last night and I turn around and Brooke is just bawling and I'm like what have I done by then she said I'm just reading this book and it's and it's sad part of the word for making you cry well we have to do something about them words to Oh okay man you know what as soon as the book is try to do prior that out of me who the hell are you what are you you're a book I'll shut you or I know how to beat your ass with kissel's reading every word like it's like when you throw a rock down a cave if you would have bought him the emotion is gone out of here
00:19:12it's on early 1980 Chapman came across a collection of academic studies about Catcher in the Rye the Chapman had remembered reading the novel about eight or nine years earlier and remember liking it so we figured I'd give it another go know I'll Chapman wasn't quite ready for the first time around during his second reading something clicked in his brain concerning the main character and narrator Holden Caulfield but isn't the irony here that actually the first time you read it that was the age group that supposed to enjoy it and the second time he's got up too old for it yes absolutely yes yeah he was 25 that age he found a kindred spirit in the shity 16 year old boy wandering the streets of New York City like to Henry could you give us a quick rundown of Catcher in the Rye cuz you're the only one of us is ready I went back to it again a little bit I'm only about halfway through again because I didn't want to read it anymore for some reason halfway through is like I've got to kill Justin Bieber I don't know why but
00:20:12I just we just feel like you cannot authenticate your phone it I know I'm at my problem is that it would be like Ed Sheeran psychotic break like watching my face moles with Ed Sheeran's face and just being like God it kill the problem. It kills me but I do not mean I do not mean it you're an army field basically kicked out of his fancy private school and it's his fourth is he's kicked out and the book follows a lost weekend in New York of Holden Caulfield wandering around with the Stars about how everybody is a phony and how he wants to protect the innocence of all children or so he'd say I'm walking around in Central Park where he can find the Ducks because you want to go walk with the dogs cuz it ducks are the only thing that are fucking freak he sees another guy who yells at him and he yells at him calls in the phonies goes up
00:21:12really good at the end of let me take you down it's a good breakdown of Holden Caulfield what are part of it is that what you were doing read it it's interesting for someone who like Chapman who viewed him as this like powerful here I'll leave you two messages sort of like a like a saint / Warrior for truth or then when you reread it again it's about a kid that is very deeply depressed and largely suicidal in the words were it's like someone is a his pain is very obvious and when you look at it you just see will this is someone who if they live past this point could become a very like effective cool adult because they had this questioning. But you're not supposed to identify with it now right of course you know I just hate the idea of someone in Holden Caulfield be my protector because I just feel like you would show up and be like I'm going to say I have a bone spur I cannot also we know Holden McNeil coffee
00:22:12it does not done that's not him it's like strange they're like yeah I don't see it and she's got to get all the spit off of it we never know what that's about but Holden McNeely Wizard and the Bruiser check that show out show introducing new Fat Tire Belgian white or refreshing new Belgian white ale brought to you by the 100% employee-owned New Belgium Brewing Company Fat Tire Belgian white is a new addition to new Belgium's portfolio of easy drinking Belgian inspired beers it joins Fat Tire belgian-style Ale the classic American craft beer probably brewed since 1991 inspired by centuries of Belgium Brewing Heritage Fat Tire Belgian why does a refreshing take on the traditional belgian-style wheat beer and unlike other Belgian white Fat Tire Belgian why does carefully crafted the finest and fresh
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00:24:12Holden Caulfield yes it is why free to copy of the book in which key inscribed to Gloria from Holden caulfield's baby honestly maybe a Comic Con could have saved roleplay it out for weekend come back just be his douchey self once every 6 months he can actually be Holden Caulfield how obnoxious would a Salinger confit wow wow I just want to be in like the isolation house b i p status
00:24:42there's only one VIP ticket because at this point she's watching him so fast was also one thing about chapped and he's been gaining a fuck ton of weight by only drinking beer and milk and eating cookies but he's on the Santa diet
00:25:06San Jacinto December 26th. Where do you let them sell just get hammered the diet begins to do it on Atkins
00:25:19Gloria Reddit Justice feel like she could try to understand him again and read through furiously try to catch up with him and then she still like he's 16. Holden Caulfield right and even went further than that like he had a backup copy of Catcher in the Rye and in that he wrote from Holden Caulfield to Holden Caulfield and he said he like he made sure he's like he said I did not believe that I was Holden Caulfield but more than anything he wanted to be holding coffee isn't that the definition of what a phony is is someone who wants to be somebody else no no no it said no not at all it's not that you want to be somebody else's that you present yourself as somebody that you actually aren't isn't that a Holden Caulfield
00:26:12I'm getting a monocle glasses I just got at glasses yeah I see Chuck's for some reason I don't know I'm not I don't work for Zappos and there are about section bike he wanted to do he wanted to bleed in the pages of Catcher in the Rye he wanted to bleed himself with the ink and I keep wanted to be the titular catcher that saves children from falling off a cliff there for saving their innocence as told him the story in the book so I can see what I'm a real I'm a real tischler catcher
00:27:08almost mature enough to let that word go I'm Flexin I put it in there as a trap to see which one you were doing
00:27:18because it had it you has you know what word is in there and it's kind of fun but yeah and he made up this kind of allegory by kids falling off the cliff and he wanted his life to be he would be at the edge of the cliff catching the kids but a part of its also I think we talked about a little bit last episode in society of on the only type I'm the only person who can help everyone and that out of the way to help people is to freeze them in the past and they're not allowed to grow older you're supposed to make sure that they never change and that goes changes bad change means you turn into a phony the only people that are real are children even though you eventually will grow up right there what kind of horrifying there before it's a lot like a lot of people have that authoritarian street especially when they're younger should know how men have that person going to tell me what to do I'll tell them what to do that's going to work out you know the mean why
00:28:18there's people waiting in the Drive-Thru Burger King just be like it's Whopper Wednesday we need to get these walk or south
00:28:27Mark David Chapman he wanted to blend himself with the inky want to become Holden Caulfield he just had to figure out how all this time something very dark and very troubling was brewing inside Mark David Chapman cuz it wasn't like this new session like made him Happy video game that you really love and just want to play all the time like this it made him miserable so instead of Happy the obsession just seem to give a focus to all the free floating hatred the Chatman have been storing up for the world not bestowing greatness of pain handle so that hatred now laser focus was going to have to go somewhere eventually it just so happened for the thing that gave that hatred a destination was it both the Chapman StumbleUpon in the same Library where he ReDiscover Catcher in the Rye the book that Mark David Chapman found was John Lennon one day at a time that's actually a great book for an alcoholic to read one day at a time
00:29:26Chapman open that book he found dozens of photographs of John Lennon's new opulent lifestyle paid for by his near billion-dollar share of The Beatles sold my so rich nightmare 1880 he was worth 800 million dollars stop God honey I just have a bad filled with Coke I mean that's what he did for a while and then he chased every lifestyle in the world right where he went into him and Yoko made a bunch of records together and then they bought the apartment he travel the world and then eventually he delivered me this weird reductive Lifestyle by 1980 where it was all about like I'll just want to lay in bed with Michelle old in Malay full nude and all we do is read the paper and the little breads ulcer feel like you're lying you're such a househusband 5 years yeah they're not sailing yacht ikey was that he had this huge country estate
00:30:26I jump in and was definitely spending that 800 million that he had Chapman said The Catcher in the Rye was the stove and the linen book was to fire him in to make sure you saw this book yes cuz it was the it was the picture of John Lennon on the roof the Dakota building overlooking over West 72nd Street and Central Park West at one of the swankiest craziest buildings in New York ever been passed in the last time you've been passing Dakota actually right before we recorded the last episode of amazing it's surrounded by these like ancient stone gargoyles it's got to Dorman on sap at all times it's a beautiful and it's right across the street from Central Park is amazingly nice one of the nicest buildings in all of Manhattan which makes it one of the nicest buildings in the fucking world did you look like a crazy stalker when you did it
00:31:26that's what surprised me is still to this day there were probably six people up and down West 72nd taking pictures they were posing in front of it while it's still the same people make in this was like 2 p.m. on a Monday like this Saturday at this wasn't a welcome like people just go in there you want to make some money go put on some John Lennon gear godet I just have a tooth bucket there thousands of dollars a year you won't have eight hundred million bucks you are the person pretending to be dead John Lennon you'll make a couple thousand bucks you will get a couple of guys showed up is Ringo that's next to him in the picture as well I love Ringo so much so Chapman he sat there and he flipped through the pages of the book and he thought about all those years he spent listening to The Beatles All That
00:32:26talk peace and love and he started getting angry he's in took the book home and showed it to his wife ranting about how hypocritical it was at this man who showed off his yachts and fancy apartments in country estates had sung about imagining no possessions
00:32:44Ben Chapman write an article and which Lennon admitted that all the super obnoxious studs that he and Yoko info throughout the years and all been for publicity all cynical promotional events just to sell more records Imagine John Lennon Imagine that you have no possessions cuz you gave mall to me
00:33:04I'm not this is not about me this is about you like you don't have a God you have nothing but like I have a bunch of stuff then Chapman got a copy of Lenin's first solo record and hard lemon saying that he didn't believe in God or heaven or even in the Beatles it's very it's a provocative song which is part of the infuriating nature of John Lennon and also does not make him a saint now that does not make him a martyr or a God or anything like that we are still allowed to say that John Lennon was in and she reacting him and he said that the only things that he believed in work himself and Yoko sure but
00:34:04I'm not saying I'm losing you is a fantastic song shirt but even after all this the thought of killing John Lennon hadn't entered into Mark David Chapman's mind he was angry and betray by what he thought John Lennon owed him specifically but he wasn't going to kill him okay well if he does plan to kill he's going to have to go through the little people he has to go through Little People Congress he better get approval from Congress the red tape Warrior lobbyist from the balls jerking off more but finally did though with Sergeant Pepper's I bet
00:34:53is that what you call your shit's about Sergeant Pepper Beatles Help ease and happen to pull out her copy copy of Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band by The Beatles he said he was staring at John Lennon's face on the cover of that out just like he used to stare at his copy of Meet The Beatles when he was a kid and suddenly a thought popped into his head
00:35:35want to be somebody killed John Lennon an idea. It's one of those thoughts that you come in and bump right out but I guess we're going to just kind of bounced around about have dark thoughts of course very dark thoughts like what if what if I did that but you don't do it everyday therapist that I have is called it's called intrusive thoughts of course we ghetto to think about the data oh yeah you just let it go in the exit row on a plan what would happen if I just pull that lever okay well that's good to know
00:36:24what's a horrible thing was it was pretty easy to kill John Lennon cuz everyone knew you live at the Dakota and they knew exactly where to find them coming in and out of his home almost every day is people camp out in front of his building waiting for an autograph or just to meet him into his credit he was actually very gracious to his fans who did that situation very nice so that he would sign autographs and he was really close with his fans by the end because in the any kind of came back around as you was coming back down to earth a part of it was his like trying to accept everyone like he was saying he was trying like he would make like friends with some of the superfans I would hang out like sort of like they would sit and they would chat so maybe he could have turned out okay you know he went to Shia LaBeouf face yes she says I'm disconnected but then Shia LaBeouf hanging out with everyone watching his own movies being around people I'm actually huge Shia LaBeouf
00:37:24but yeah he was I mean and also the jealous kind of yeah but Kendra said he was pulling back right from all of those kind of shity obnoxious things that he done and said over the years because that little Hiatus but he took his about A5 year Hiatus between between albums everything slow down for him because I understand about John Lennon's that he been famous since he was 16 years old decades for decades Sky Been mobbed Everywhere he went everywhere that is except New York City New York does not care care that you was John Lennon of course but if they stopped him it would mostly be just be like hey man love the Beatles write
00:38:08the question why do you look at yourself sometimes I feel like I owe yes very funny very funny I said that's fine New York City it was still in its hell hole face in 1980 so it was kind of like insulated from the rest of the world people were terrified of New York City rise of you pretty much it's not like now in common it's just if it's one of the safest cities on the place of the most dangerous thing in New York City Times Square Mickey Mouse Spider-Man The Incredible Hulk Statue of Liberty and they are not your friends
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00:41:08just going to go to your head and think while I'm a little bit more special than the average Joe will such as that he also knew that the FBI had a file on him you know the diagram for had been following him for years cuz like you said that really weird bumpy guy in the dress behind the name is J Edgar Hoover you like my heels incredible cab strength anyways got an eye on you mister
00:41:37really I mean back then J Edgar Hoover in the FBI like they were putting John Lennon on the same level as Martin Luther King are like other people that you know where agitating Against The Establishment John Lennon was as far as the US government went right there up with us it's just so funny the FBI had a listed like what's their crowded like they want peace they've been talking about like this peaceful resolution of race was the address for Connie's been I'm sorry I realize that other loosening the glue I got cheese man it was about the Communist coming in getting the agitators all going because if the agitators were going and that meant that we were going to start fighting each other fighting against the status quo in that was going to rip the country apart John Lennon that communist with eight hundred million dollars yes and the amazing thing is is it the Russians actually listen to all the stuff that they were talking about way back then I kind of put a spin
00:42:37and then today actually put it into practice but they do it through a Facebook ads
00:42:48incredibly easy yeah it wasn't through like good music it was through social media about your programmable drone attached to our phones think it's crack cocaine work then I would blame them the most ironic thing about John Lennon key always thought he was going to get assassinated for his political beliefs because he was up there with Martin Luther King jr. he was up there with you or he believed he was up there with like people like Gandhi Bobby Kennedy Kennedy all that he thought that that's what he was going to get assassinated for he thought he definitely thought that but in the end he was killed because someone believe heat abandoned his ideology crazy you know the exact opposite interested in that person Mark David Chapman solve in and is no more than a stand-in for the pimp in Catcher in the Rye does Holden Caulfield had fantasized about killing with a difference here was that
00:43:48happened was actually going to do it yeah Chapman was going to enact what key came to think of as chapter 27 of Catcher in the Rye going one better than JD Salinger but it's at the fantasy is what's a truly frightening right yeah he believed that when she shot John Lennon he would curl up into a ball next to Lenin's body and disappear into The Catcher in the Rye that was no chat that was his plan just cut them getting hit with billy clubs by the NYPD yeah that's that's what that is what happened in a part of it too it's weird over the course of reading let me take you down and Research into his book at first you don't like you laughing about the fantasy and stuff and also but it's actually starting to become very frightening for me but God that Mark David Chapman did because then it's also the thing where it's like I'm going to say maybe like there's a solid 15% of people that are walking around
00:44:48thinking the same shit just don't kill you because they're just not going to because they are there specific fantasies like I'm going to take a shit over here at the salad bar at the Sizzler like I'm going to do a ride in a Cobb salad and do it come with the corn fritters I got to look dissolve into in the family of 8 comes in Black
00:45:13Will before Mark David Chapman could actually take care of the phony he had to prepare himself so on October 23rd 1980 Chapman quit the maintenance job you've been working and signed out with the name John Lennon officially beginning his quest to assassinate the former Beatle on okay amazingly unbeknownst to Chapman as this is pointed out and let me take you down John Lennon was starting something new as well and that day John Lennon released the single just like starting over ahead of the release of Double Fantasy his first album in 5 years the song and so maybe that goes to what you were talking about earlier oh yeah oh yeah it was a whole thing and then Chapman it kind of got folded into it's another synchronicity that he viewed as like all I'm going to serve my purpose here well that's the thing those I don't think Chapman ever knew about that
00:46:13not at all because Jasmine was in Hawaii you know and that's it and it wasn't like it is today we're eating something is released worldwide at all at the same time where you know we're here on the same shit that they're here in like Korea just like thanks had to travel yeah I think it why the 19 1980 Hawaii I think the best music was coconuts and it was just people saying they had over there is
00:46:50Zooey Deschanel's in Hawaii since the beginning but they weren't Zooey Deschanel's they were traditional Hawaiian music festival play the ukulele in the US are over 350 lb or back in Hawaii Chapman was calling on Satan to give him strength to carry out his plan I wish it was more metal than this but it's not it's not like it's sad when you're asking for help cuz he's like what stop it stop asking me for help me for help so follow up with you naked or anything at that he's always gas tank will he did destroy his wife's record player once when he wasn't working properly you trying to put together and he destroyed it at this point he's become a terror in the house of muttering to himself sitting in the kitchen screaming at his little people but doing like his pitches at the little people
00:47:50ebony get naked and put on Beatles records and beg Satan to help them all and that's the thing all while he's doing that he's doing this in the middle of the night all why is while his wife is trying to sleep in the Next Room does cowering under the covers. I love the horrible into the best of Chapman's memory this was one of his chants to Satan Harry Met Satan accept these Pearls of my evil in my rage accept these things from deep within me in return I ask only that you give me the power to kill John Lennon give me the power of Darkness give me the power of death let me be a somebody for once in my life give me the life of John Lennon I can't give you the power but the others I think of the firearm and you wouldn't believe how easy it is to use so fast he got he got it so fast you did later Chapman would say that it was silly to think that Satan or demons that possess
00:48:50the silly Part
00:49:02Philly this is what he said about it I didn't bleed those things were inside of me at the time not really like not really not deep in my heart I I could some of them and use them but they had to stay outside or cold on to that bullshit because it's just another because Mark David Chapman he threw out his entire life always tastes like he acts like he's taking responsibility but there's always that one little thing that he can put in front but he can put in front and say like yeah it's my fault this one little thing by smarter Chapman his head he's such a fucking little piss bucket baby but everything everybody says me me me me me
00:49:56everybody needs to pay attention to is constantly changing his narrative to get people to talk to him through this whole thing started with him his dick is bang around of the record machine you know about banging well he knows what he's going to put it on there a couple of times that flip around a little bit and it was all these chants to Satan and that's what he said he said that he needed the power of Satan to pull the trigger but that's who actually did it when the power thing today I see if you really want to figure out how we killed John Lennon you got to follow the money and you know who are the people that were in charge of the money was little people who is shittim wood justics to figure out here okay you know you can just call on Satan and Satan's going to transport in New York City right and get you a gun all that should I have only told him he's not here doing all you should see this not your Quicken account that's what you have the little people for the Finance Minister help him work out all the monetary problems of
00:50:56in the means to kill and the place is just a plus a little walking-around money without asking any questions but after you get all that worked out Mark decided he had to come clamped directly that he was going to kill John Lennon when he had the meeting with them yet to start with I'm thinking about taking all the vacation to New York I mean when you start you first said it to his wife and she was like why he's like fuck you like I go where I got to go and then he can Circle crawl into little people to be like I need XYZ money for the hotel and the third in the whole time of little people like but why I guess I should maybe tell them what I'm trying to do he called together his entire cabinet and told him that he'd finally decided to be someone that can fit in the cabinet but it's Harry Reid and Mitch McConnell turtle
00:51:56window on the street from 05 for pelvic meeting with a little people and how he would meet with the little people is he had said he had this huge television screen that he would appear on while all the little people would sit like it was like the United Nations okay but he said that someone from his childhood the man who songs he sung to them his subjects had heard him greatly he told them about the John Lennon book and the Betrayal is astonishment that Lennon lived in New York and not a big castle in England with all of the other Beatles okay
00:52:43color supposed to live in castles supposed to live in castles together makes sense to Chapman told the little people that all this put together had just lights John Lennon had ruined his life he told them to because of all this he had decided to kill John Lennon and he wanted their help but think about this we ball I mean Marcus you were there too and kiss on I also previously we've been apart of pictures that are going south
00:53:15I remember and you know what happens is that you start looking at their phone in back they start like you want a cup of water the big Big Sur disengaging the little people are starting to give them stiff arm is trailing and he's weirding out the fantasy people that he created to do his budget I don't know Mark that sounds kind of crazy what do you think lord of the feet what do you think did to her house those New Balances doing and he's just like mine but I might have to give an a to kill in John Lennon tough crowd tough crowd after a quick quick Little Bull session and they came back and said we have to respectfully decline this program this plot seems to be all about destruction it's only going to destroy your life and we as people who have sworn to
00:54:15attacked you cannot take a part in this we cannot stop you but we cannot help you all right there it is and so they left they left the boardroom the Border disappeared
00:54:26Chin doing all this to himself and glory is kind of hearing it on the other side she still going my Swiffer and has never been more complete swiffering and swiffering everything is gleaming clean what a nightmare for her so Chapman accepted their decision wish them the best and in yet another coincidence bought a 38 special from a guy whose name just happen to be Robin oh no oh my God and on the next day Mark David Chapman was on a plane to New York City but this first attempt didn't work out he wandered around New York and actually saw David Bowie start a production of Elephant Man
00:55:15awesome and then he went to see George C Scott in the players just do that back then to Baskin to go see the guy was in Patton and dr. Strangelove I'm just going to go see him and play Jim Parsons playing dr. Seuss dr. Seuss directions musical in about that or like Anastasia on Broadway where they cut out Rasputin completely apparently whatever lost yourself a customer around way back back seat Asia
00:56:08Mark David Chapman instead of enjoying what had you been these amazing performances he said all he could think of is he was watching these Legends was how easy it would be to pull out a gun and shoot any of them that's all I'm looking scary man that's so scary Cemetery Massacre go out there but the problem was at that time and probably not now either you couldn't buy bullets for a 38 special here in New York City really know that's all ya know when he called the gun shop looking for the guy was like oh you trying to buy bullets for 38 Special go fuck yourself you don't buy them from me very intense about it while he was able to bring his gun he didn't have anything to shoot these people with you should have gotten the bullets in a white that's why I said having gun control we should have bullet control every time
00:57:08when are the black box and one day they're just going to bake our head of the cheese so to solve this problem Mark David Chapman down to Atlanta and under the guise of just a nice little visit to an old friend he picked up five hollow point bullets what you gave it to him he didn't train him how to use the fucking gun they were they went shooting immediately in the store Lantus oh it's fun and got fun and games and then he was like don't you do anything nefarious 1,000 years I'll just collect them I draw little faces out of you know what to speak to Little People in my brain can I get the bullets better, any told his friends I ate oh yeah I'm going to New York City I've been in New York City coming down for this visit now I'm going back to New York City I got to have something to protect myself wet right oh yeah
00:58:08bear arms here's a handful of hollow point bullet okay to Chapman return New York fully loaded and as a further coincidence just another one Jared and Esquire article on the plane criticizing John Lennon for his hypocritical upscale lifestyle Esquire to bring people down to earth of course like you know John Lennon took this as a sign what he was doing was right he even went to the Dakota where Liv in Liv and made friends with the doorman scouting out the scene but one night Chapman went and saw The Mary Tyler Moore Timothy Hutton movie Ordinary People very sad very very sad when I looked it up on IMDb when checked it out it said you may also like terms of endearment a good grades
00:59:08so should I keep up for some reason Timothy Hutton's character in ordinary people touch Mark David Chapman in such a way that he called his wife and told her he was coming home this motherfucker identified with everything if he saw I bet you eat sea commercial for the fur bananas that bananas and that's me. How I get her I get where she's coming from to have a burden on my mind and it's just like okay sure it's another another one that's you everybody's you. You said he looks for identity and everything because he has none and saw him because he's a narcissist he sees everything as for him and that's why he bought hollow point bullets because he himself was Hollow
01:00:01psychological coincidence but also a theory that is work at 1. So Mark David Chapman spent two more days in New York still going to the Dakota and staring at the building while listening to Todd Rundgren on his Walkman then or Rundgren album keep produce bat out of hell yeah this guy he knows what he's doing Todd Rundgren did not deserve any of this
01:00:34it's on, it's on November 11th almost 2 weeks after Mark David Chapman had left Hawaii he called his wife and confessed Mikey told her I came to New York to kill John Lennon but that's like what store has been like okay
01:00:56good he said but you said but your love has saved me so I'm coming home through his copy of Catcher in the Rye in the garbage Chute and decided it was time to put the whole I'm going to kill John Lennon thing in the past thank you so much for giving me the picture on right is a little extreme yourselves everyone who goes license that's the story and that doesn't that did make me think actually like that lot like when I find found that out how many fucking people come this close oh my God I don't want to think about it I think it happened I would say it happens quite a bit I'd say that there are a lot of people you develop an obsession and then normally would you hope is that there's some kind of safety net right or some love one can reach out that you have enough connections to the real world that someone can come and save
01:01:56right thing that we're kind of having a problem with mental health in this country to begin with man watch the HBO documentary the dangerous condition anti recommendation I'm stuck in the middle again you would like it is it bad to the Gap and mental health care in this country is really good at result in a lot of dangerous people it is a very good documentaries very well put together documentary I like it it links some of these guys that are like not have horrible mental health problems that you know where it's like most of these people are fine most of them don't do anything but some of them are at them on some of them are James Holmes
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01:03:56left and using left a check out that's casper.com left offer code l e ft 450 bucks off your mattress purchase terms and conditions apply some art David Chapman came back through his copy of Catcher in the Rye in the trash figure I'm going to put it all behind me but over the next month and itch showed up in the back of Chapman's mind also he called this is the child gift certs never let a child and she was an adult child was the driving force behind this entire plot it doesn't really make sense because it's just an excuse I mean this is all rights the same time into it wasn't Ted Bundy who did all this it was the entity that all that's what I do that's the blob that is not made
01:04:56Chapman's mine the child was the one who saw John Lennon as a toy that it changed over the years and a child throwing tantrum because of it but it was the adult that had to do all the Practical work if you have a young Sheldon up here before you and call a other grown man a broken toy that you need to fix with a gun. Of a child was the one who would ask for Satan to pull the trick of the child who brought the demons to help who framed Rodger rabbit who framed Rodger rabbit reference in that's good contract adult they gave a child the gun it's the same shit is Ted Bundy because Ted Bundy used to say that it was the entity that made him go kidnap and rape these women he was the one who killed them to cover up the crime used to say the same type of shit
01:05:56who's at the KCA didn't you just call it that other guy is so Chicago but Chapman said that on the first trip to New York City the child stay in Hawaii I just didn't show up to play the game that's good cheap tickets for take a child and it also never take a shower
01:06:18nightmare nightmare child will not enjoy New York City Disney World New York City maybe what's great shows there was a dog and it was a problem cuz he was wearing a diaper and I was like that's a Dutch dog that dog is going to jump in the shower and sure enough it just smelled kind of like a mild amount of dog crap I can't handle it also maybe take that into account and so since the child didn't come along in the trip to New York the adult went home but a couple of weeks later at the child came back while Chapman was driving his car and the child promise that this time on this trip they would actually do what they have gone there to do the first time so he's been there twice now he's only been there once only been there once and so Chapman told his wife that he was going to go back to New York because he had an idea for a children's book or something and he just gave a bullshit
01:07:17she went to New York to try to kill John Lennon you didn't go right and you didn't do it so you I came back so now she's just like okay and totally bought it again should I just go see you soon that comes from Hawaii you don't have any ideas for children's books in New York you have ideas for much more much darker crime dramas the mysterious koi what degree children's books by Mark David Chapman arrived back in the city on December 6th 1980 that day he arrived outside of the Dakota and made friends with two big living fan to become a kind of fixtures outside of John Lennon's house and they buy me they were there so much that like that say some people in the Dakota then send him on errands okay I'll look at it was like you sweet ladies and they would said they hang out there all the time and obviously they probably got a little bit wrong with the old Bing Bong up top just sit out there all the time but they
01:08:17sweet enough bro is also like 1988 me these are people that aren't quite done with the sixties yet they're holding on to him as hard as they possibly can in the best they could do is hanging outside of John Lennon's house
01:08:30but another interesting thing about Mark David Chapman even though that he been spending his Knights naked shouting about Satan while playing The Beatles Help ease at 45 RPM that's all the time it was not a shambling mess when he arrived in New York like he was dressed nice button-up button up all right oh yeah he looks really good because he had a concrete understanding is that if he looked crazy no one would let him near the Dakota at make sense to talk to him they actually said he was likable they didn't mind having him around so we didn't have his I'm unique shirt on or whatever like that just tell her to scream at the BP on underneath his clothes New York City is it because he was from Atlanta as that when he would go which is kind of where the voices Ben comes from is it his friendly little Southern Persona where you go back
01:09:26this is the biggest city hall bever been in the shows how sneaky a southerner can be to turn on your southern accent absolutely how y'all doing over here at like you think maybe you can give me directions over to Port Authority
01:09:48most atrocious things we we got on cars right half the country that close look at that little charm a guide to that fun there were no Lennon sightings at first day so Chapman checked into room 2730 at the Sheraton and went to sleep next day he woke up went out and bought a copy of Double Fantasy X lemons new album then walk through Central Park and New York City subconsciously following in the footsteps of Holden Caulfield okay but he realized he didn't have a copy of Catcher in the Rye so we wouldn't do a bookstore to pick one up this is his fourth copy of this damn book s t v okay so he's like JD Salinger like loves him as a client as a as a reader but not as a person but perhaps telling Lee Chapman forgot about all that when you spot it a postcard featuring a scene from his favorite movie try to guess who it is been any Hall
01:10:48give it one more shot tell her it's older I'm going to say a Singing in the Rain actually not far off Wizard of Oz no Ken will he also identified with Dorothy before he he went through a whole Wizard of Oz face where you said he was Dorothy and then eventually he said that his Persona was a mix of all four of them so this is another one else but this is me and my mom went from collecting things shaped like hearts the things shaped like Pelicans to Skype in and now my mom connect collects witch figurines and that's when she goes
01:11:22that movie is you're supposed to relate to every one of those characters as a little piece of you the whole point he saw it as there an amalgamation of me yeah but he he he
01:11:34castle ice world exist for him and that is the whole world exist for him and that the world isn't doing what he believes it should be doing well you know what talk to the little people get things done hatch legislation
01:11:55what does the Picture Me Rollin Man besides just buying The Wizard of Oz postcard he also bought the January 1981 issue of Playboy featured an interview with 9 other than John Lennon okay was on the cover there
01:12:17Nebraska Housewives Edition Twitty I was the gross women of NSU they were doing it was a buck what a weird coincidence Barbara Bach from Daisy Duke Daisy Duke who was on what the spots Dukes of Hazzard Dukes of Hazzard Barbara Bach is currently on the new season of worst Cooks in America that I'm locked in for watching for some reason that synchronicity cook huh so Chapman bought the Playboy and The Wizard of Oz postcard but the Playboy had the added bonus of putting him in the mind for a little hired company oh my goodness he called an escort but didn't have any sex because you know the whole warm wetness thing I made him scared massage and the thing I was really fucked up but said he called SS court and she walks in and she's wearing a green dress which is the same exact
01:13:17act color of the dress that the escort wore that Holden Caulfield men while in Catcher in the Rye I'm so it's another one another one word just like what the fuck does she walked in the green dress it's the same story he gave her the massage. B's the escort for 50 bucks he can make some money I like to ask a sex workers and listen to her show that would upset you or not cuz it feel like it's kind of nice but in the end you're paying to be able to touch a woman without her yelling I think that's a part of experience Seen It All We also called and said like hey do you think you can send someone who but doesn't speak English very well like someone who doesn't talk he's like yeah I don't want to talk to him at all like I just wanted to come cuz he told them she came in and he said I don't want you to talk I just want you to be here because tomorrow is going to be a very difficult day oh my gosh okay so that next day on December 8th March
01:14:17Chatman woke up in new that was the day before you left the room he had to prepare the first Key Practice is Quick Draw in the mirror for a couple of hours you know what the problem is and it's funny for a while but it's also Travis Bickle it's Travis Bickle did the same thing so it's like it's funny to watch his fat to do it and he's going to go kill somebody afterwards is immediately becomes terrified he's just another they're all just suck they're just so pathetic it out it's like five times and after he was satisfied with his gun play preparation
01:15:04after he was satisfied with his gun play preparation he looked at himself in the mirror and said quote The Catcher in the Rye My Generation chapter 27 then if you laid out a Mark David Chapman Shrine on top of the hotel dresser dedicated to himself and the things he loves so good he included a passport a picture of him working with Vietnamese refugees and the letter to one of the supervisors at the YMCA in a really small small strangled little person from is Congress years ago along with all that was a Todd Rundgren 8-track a Bible open to The Gospel according to John with linen written in next to John and in the middle of it all he laid The Wizard of Oz postcard he bought the day before it was a nice little scene showing Dorothy and the Cowardly Lion and I also put a plate of eggs and bacon because
01:16:04breakfast is the most important meal of the day and I want anybody to see this to be reminded by it a few times to make sure it was going to look right when the cops came in rearranging it just a little bit each time for maximum Mark David Chapman affect the hotel room looking for stuff and he wants to make sure he can set the proper story right so after he was satisfied he left the room to meet his Destiny first he stopped at a bookstore and picked up a copy of Catcher independent the open the cupboard fuse wrote on the first page this is my state underlying the word this and then signed it Holden Caulfield The Catcher in the Rye okay
01:16:54he then went to the Dakota and started his day long Steak Out arms with a copy of Catcher a copy of Double Fantasy and his 38 Special loaded with 5 hollow point bullets sitting in the pocket of his jacket the entire day like I'm sitting there he address himself and many many layers I mean I was he was so cold out sore work but he was trying to hide the gun but his hand was on the gun all day waiting to go and no one thought this was suspicious you'd like pacing around or was she like dress like a bush like a bunch of people there was a bunch of people staying in there too okay yeah and there were other got like there was a guy there that was a photographer that pretty much made his living harassing John Lennon died and made friends with him waiting for him to make the other thing that he did is he put a piece of cardboard in his pocket so it would hide the outline of the gun and his hand so no one actually knew
01:17:54she had a gun so after that after he got there are no after all these coincidences there was one more coincidence to go and if it might be the most amazing one of all so the Dakota where John Lennon lived was the setting of Rosemary's Baby in Rosemary's Baby was directed by Roman Polanski who was married to Sharon Tate who we all know it was murdered by the Manson family though and the Manson family as far as Chapman new we're supposedly inspired by The Beatles song Helter Skelter written by John Lennon if a cube is Forno's Helter Skelter Helter Skelter with heels herself as Chapman was outside the Dakota thinking about Rosemary's Baby
01:18:44who should walk by but fucking Mia Farrow starred in Rosemary's Baby was just right there you never sleep I heard that I've heard that Chapman said he saw this as the final confirmation that he was making the right decision so at 11 a.m. the living room fan to Chapman have made friends with on Saturday showed up as Chapman in the fan were talking A car pulled up in front of the Dakota and a small child got out that child was John Lennon's son Sean chose to pay attention to guess the one hit of the one he chose to love you
01:19:33upside down one more hour and you're right you're right you're right you're right you're right the fan was familiar enough with the nanny to say hello she actually introduced Mark David Chapman to Sean Lennon Mark David Chapman smiled at the kid said he was honored to meet him and told him hey kid I'll come all the way from Hawaii just to meet your dad oh my God oh my God that was kind of like the time I saw Vince Vaughn walking down the street with his kids and I was fucking stoned out of my mind is like maybe 12 years ago I was like on the street he was walking on the street with kids and I looked up but I reckon I was Vincent D'Onofrio with his children I looked at the kids and he like regarded me and in the moment of like awkward silence I turned you wish to his children rest your father's a very talented man and a few days until Labor Day
01:20:33talk to the kids yes I learned I learned to not do that
01:20:39yeah yeah yeah I have to this encounter Chapman said that if that moment when he met John Lennon's but toddler son he said if that moment didn't change his mind nothing so few hours later John Lennon finally appeared outside the Dakota and stood on the sidewalk waiting for a limousine achievements cover story this entire time all weekend was that he been waiting for John Lennon to come out so he could get him to sign his copy a Double Fantasy and the plan was John Lennon comes up pull out the gun shoot them but when Linda. Chapman Bros in the photographer that Chapman and made friends with that day he actually like nudged Chapman Ford he's like oh he you been waiting all day go talk to her thank you for tographer thank you pain in the ass photographer that ended up doing was the main reason why John Lennon's entire team was like you need booking security
01:21:39the inside of the apartment. Let it like this guy is very very invasive Paparazzi leave them alone you got to get security you have to John Lennon was like I'll get to it later it'll be fine like well Let Me ease like let me worry about the album right now and they're like no you need you need this because of the album like you have your face all over the fucking world your people are going to come to see you you need security now he's like I'll do it later but the thing was at this point when the photographer shoved him forward all Chapman could do was just thrust the album and John Lennon's face with the pain and John Lennon took it signed it John Lennon December 1980 and look at Mark David Chapman and just said is that all is that all you want wow and Chapman just took it and said thank you it was very scary cuz they walked out what do you think he heard the voice
01:22:39cuz he's like it's John Lennon I'm going to go to face them it was like it says the face I've always want and then 4 instead of murdering him for a second he I mean he became the fan again this was somebody I've always loved I've always loved John Lennon you on one of your I am one of your biggest fans like and they still at that record actually weird synchronicity when for sale two days ago they record that on the sign for Mark David Chapman it was up for auction I think on Monday thank a little over $1000000 starting something like that. Chapman said after that moment he wanted to go home he said he wanted to have a the doorman hail a cab which would take him to the airport and then he'd hang the signed album on the wall in the whole thing was just going to be a cookie Adventure okay but he said the child inside of him I was going to have any of that the child was still too hurt to Let It Go the child wanted to make the phonies pay and so Mark David
01:23:39Atman waited for John Lennon to return this is why we have to cancel young Sheldon
01:23:49show up in people because everyone trust Shelton yeah they didn't think that he's he's a good nerd and I don't think so it takes a bad influence that night John Lennon did show back up John Lennon's white limo pulled up in front of the Dakota and stopped Yoko got up first Chapman smiled and nodded at her then linen appeared in Chapman and linen chair to look and recognized him from that earlier that afternoon can you play songs like yours that fucking weird guy again why is he outside and so like he looked at the guy and it was obvious he knew something was wrong okay Jasmine said there was dead silence in his head is linen walk towards the Arts of the building and John and I mean every footstep was faster than the one before and then when lemons back was to Chapman Chapman said the silence ended and he heard the voice of the child do it
01:24:48do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it do it now instead of the interviews that it was this incessant whisper yeah it's over and over again right Ryland them up so Chapman pulled out his revolver aimed and pulled the trigger 5 * 4 Shots hit John Lennon who took off his Sprint just bite the bullet wounds he crashed through a glass door in collapse and if that moment the child disappeared and the weight of what he done finally hit Mark David Chapman because as soon as he shot him he thought that the body would disappear but you thought he shot him the body would disappear and then he would disintegrate in flowed into the book and then that didn't happen no I thought that he would just drop he thought he would just drop right in front of him and he would be able to have a moment with the body and that's also. How killing somebody works it's a single works the same thing
01:25:48purchase cuz like no because you know you've never you don't want no one else like me to just sell comic book things didn't go how Mark David Chapman thought they would because he thought that was the reason why he got hollow point bullets was he thought that that would just shatter John Lennon's body but if you get hollow points he knew how they work that they just absolutely destroy whatever like his internal organs and he just floor he would curl up into a fetal position besides John Lennon and they would disappear into the ink of The Catcher in the Rye John Lennon's last words would be like I respect what you've done or something like that like something like that yeah but Lennon was nowhere to be seen so Chapman dropped his gun took out his copy of Catcher in the Rye and he tried reading it like to calm himself down are you said the words didn't make any sense and he said he start pacing back and forth and you look back to the spot where he'd Hit Lennon because he said he kept hoping that John
01:26:48was fine he said he kept hoping like maybe I missed him fuck fuck up because as soon as soon as he fired the gun like the thought his head was in your life is over yeah I mean it's what they talked about every time when someone says they the survivors of suicide it kind of happens quite a bit where it's like when you jump and then and then the first oh my God I'm still at all man I should have done that he's a funny he was very sick I mean just like them people who is almost like I mean I mean you're committing a kind of suicide of Freedom side of freedom because you always getting away he also there's a lot of psychological gobbledygook sign out his last time as a security guard he signed the name John Lennon if there's a weird sort of theoretical idea that he had become John Lennon and then when he shot him he said it was
01:27:48Mosin extended acts of service suicide but when he didn't die too it's like oh shit now there's consequences the South they're going to love me well yeah kind of because he thought that by killing John Lennon he was the catcher you know because John Lennon was going to be the person John Lennon was the man that was leading all of the Innocents to their Doom punishing and saving John Lennon saving him from his own reputation by assassinating him and making him a martyr and doing the whole thing so it's very dry if he seems very complicated and fucked me none of it makes any sense because he was a very mentally ill man right there's not going to be a lot like the logic is going to fall apart quickly naturally a little person cancelled
01:28:48did you know they're not logical like you know that the things that you're thinking and you know the the fears that you have you know it's not logical you know it doesn't make any sense but you can't stop them at the same time unless you get help and Mark David Chapman never got help Mark David Chapman it wasn't until he was sitting in the back of the police car watching cops actually carry John Lennon's body out of the Dakota did he know that he was truly and completely fucked and it wasn't just that he knew his life was over he was afraid that they were going to kill him and he was afraid that the cops are going to kill him because you mean he was like I'm sorry I'm sorry please don't hurt me please don't hurt him back and forth trying to get him to the police station cuz that's the word went out that John Lennon was killed people mob the area and I mean he was the most hated man in the world you like and so there was a moment when
01:29:48I said that he was with a couple loan they have been offering them back and forth in the trying to get him back to the jail and this cop is sitting there and Ramona of silence and then finally looks at him like what the fuck did you do this like got into psychosis like all of these Beatles fans there were cops there also like surrounding him in jail or is there were cops or criminals I mean Taylor is over Beatles fans and other criminals Beatles pants mentioning to people like you know I like it I actually like the Beatles thank you
01:30:23if you like goes a long way that's not what this is about. Read it and then like the 8th line and by the way thanks for all the Defenders on Reddit
01:30:48no the thing was that when Mark David Chapman was getting process and all this like his lawyers were like so you're going to do an insanity defense right at this or do I have to refer back to my legal counsel little people please come in they have told me no and he told me no more your minister named Robert Robert came back and Robert was literally just said you're fucked how much do Rite Aid do no one's going to help you hear you're going to get the chair his fantasy is more rational than he is still makes you wonder if the fantasy is even that real this is my problem I think that it's a constant divided I think there was a really hard time to get to the truth here because I don't know what is fake and what is not
01:31:48part of it was there was a big lead up to get him an insanity plea and then somewhere in the middle of and he's telling them at the living little people cuz every psychology cuz all of this comes from every psychologist in the world asking him why did you shoot John Lennon she's telling him all these stories and shit I've been followed the very end at during his sentencing he jumps his own lawyers and pleads guilty because what he said I was going to use the pulpit or whatever it is I'm going to use the stand to tell everyone to read Catcher in the Rye and so he pleaded guilty and then read a passage from Catcher in the Rye which is the passage of patching the children as they fall over the cliff and they're all like technically this makes you crazy anniversary of Catcher in the Rye John Lennon storms back into the courtroom and says you gotta buy the book that would be going to plead not guilty and use that and just constantly talk about Catcher in the Rye and then
01:32:48Catcher in the Rye would be in the news constantly but he said God himself got a hold of them and said you need to plead guilty over there is a really good time to plug the book do you work for penguin yeah God works for you know the hospital and you know what hankley was inspired by John Lennon's death that's what he was at the whole other side plot where he was inspired to be a good guy for the problem who is Reagan and then at 2 also to try to get Jodie Foster to fall in love right right I kind of get why JD Salinger sort of just like slunk into the trees like that that Homer Simpson gif
01:33:48it was very scary I can't imagine that I can't imagine is being an author and have been happened to you and then all the sudden you are I mean he was also weird terrible man but this just ignore your art is making people pop off yet crazy kind of insane yet totally so Mark David Chapman put in the guilty play the game 20 years to live up for parole in 2000 but it did not go easy for Mark David Chapman after a sentence of the last time you. Just been crazy and put into a mental institution in the last time you was in a mental institution he What About Bob himself up to you can for the fucking place you could have done it but he was too crazy to play two to the insanity play cry but was it 4 years after that the only person who made life hard for Mark David Chapman was Mark David Chapman over the next five years Chapman would claim quote on quote
01:34:48demon possession of course he acted accordingly while awaiting transfer to Attica Chapman took off all of his clothes and destroyed his self while spouting gibberish to try to call down the demons real production of it obviously now again he's just immediately back to searching for attention right on his neighbor neighbor was this guy who's the they called him the Phantom of the Opera killer his name was Craig crimmins Nicole The Phantom of the Opera killer because he was a stagehand who murdered a young violinist at the Metropolitan Opera I'm okay very interesting I want to cover that story that's a good little mini story it's a small one because you fucking pushed her out and out of the Raptor not quite as romantic as the Phantom of the Opera I have to say about the soundtrack it is very scary to be a woman but crimmins
01:35:48all he did was just slight cigarettes and flipped him at his naked body out of here please can I get a transfer fee in like you going to marry me again call me again when you acting like you don't like fake season out mcdoodles up so they did a fun little thing where they pump him full of a drug called State stelazine causes parade in
01:36:25reaction it caused him paralysis of his head throat and voice to the point where every single time he fucked up and he was acting like a crazy person just getting better but still went back and forth between being normal and sometimes you would act so erratically that they would have to hospitalize them they drop the hammer on him quite a bit and he put on a good show to Once in 1982 when he was being put in the van for transport to the mental hospital he started yelling just so you know this is the new Mark I'm rated X watch out I'm very very bad fuel that like this is the new Marcus to the hospital he was so violent they put them in a straight jacket
01:37:25ADI course he was bugging that he was trying to get out of it so they just grabbed him by his hair and pull them down the hallway by his hair and in response to that he yelled I love it you like it I love it yeah I get off pretty soon after that she was acting up so they pulled down his pants as a nurse brought out a needle to inject them with some medication or another into this Chapman yelled you pretend you break it off in there just fine ass pussy oh my goodness 1985 Chapman says he finally got rid of the cortical demons after a series of prison Exorcist that's good I don't even want to know what is an exorcism
01:38:25habit of the shower so alright well how we did and how did his prison exorcism allowed to come in so he set up a pre-arranged date and time with a minister who was on the outside and so the minister would pray for Mark David Chapman while Mark David Chapman was doing his own exorcism on himself just cut the minister just eat in the new McDonald's like chicken sandwiches going to give us a really good what time is it it's right in The Exorcist well doesn't really matter to us
01:38:58yeah but he said it was easier because they didn't actually possess him they were just kind of latching onto the final expectoration of the Demons game when he vomited 7 evil spirits out of his mouth and they evaporated into the walls of the prison never to be seen again or tell p o one thing we've heard over the years and one thing that we've actually talked about on the last couple couple episodes a lot is it nobody's really been able to diagnose just what illness Mark David Chapman suffered from but Henry has a theory and the documentary the dangerous son that there was one kid in there that had a he was very sweet boy but he was he had that form of autism and also a form of a thing that they called a schizoid personality disorder which something I've never really heard of it obviously sounds very big cuz if it is purposefully vague it's kind of made to be someone who is a
01:39:58personality and it was at this kid was he suffering from autism and when he reach emotional Peaks the schizoid personality disorder would cause him to break from reality he Division 1 audio audio hallucinations and you become homicidal suicidal I think that there's something in there because I don't know whether or not because I try to really look up if Mark David Chapman had autism or if they discovered it after the fact I know that there are will Wildomar Cassandra, but I think I'm somewhere with it but I don't know and obviously I am not a psychologist but it just sounds right I mean
01:40:36we can look at some of the signs like as far as the autism goes like Chapman checks a couple of boxes here right now P gets upset over minor changes he had when he was a kid he would rock his body back and forth constantly I keep have trouble understanding other people's feelings not to mention the whole obsessive interest thing yes and then there's the schizoid personality disorder which vague and there are some parts of schizoid personality disorder that have the complete opposite of what Mark David Chapman had in his life because it's not a narcissist narcissist thing but you know it's vague and there's actually a lot of people on a psychiatrist say like now actually that doesn't exist in all that shouldn't even be in the DSM I'm trying to figure out what to say to somebody who what do you say to someone who doesn't have any things we don't really know how to fix it so it's like you're fucked
01:41:36until you know what psychiatrist I've been paying a lot of money you could have gotten to that a little earlier that's it chews solitary activities like remember when he was in the mental hospital the first time they said that he would sit there and he would fantasize about going to prison he's like I could just go to prison I could be alone and that would be fine that would be great he also had little or no interest in sexual experiences is afraid of the warm wetness he showed emotional Detachment and he had an elaborate exclusively internal fantasy world so there are some boxes on here I think it's fair I think it's very interesting at the Henry really had something cool on this one I'm going to say something a'right a'right a'right that is for sure but
01:42:36still didn't stop his wife from loving it as soon as Chapman was transferred to Attica Gloria moved there yep and still lives there to this day they are allowed one conjugal visit per year she is still with him
01:42:54and so far Chapman has rightly been denied Parole in time okay mostly due to the efforts of Yoko Ono and he is given multiple explanations for his crimes over the years but one tends to stand out Chapman said at one point that he had an epiphany that he killed John Lennon So people would read Catcher in the Rye which is just about the only way he could get his crime even a little bit of purpose really Mark David Chapman was just one more asshole who couldn't make anything so we had to destroy someone who did all the make himself feel better about his place in the world interesting stuff 16 he finally admitted that he did it all for attention. They took till now it took the 2016 for him to say something like that there weren't even made sense
01:43:54that makes a lot of sense but there's a lot of other things just to get fucking just to get attention like I mean obviously you have to be very ill to think that's what you have. You could also do the wedding I'm just like I hope they bust me soon as principal is he just saying that as something else to try explanations eight other times he's like I want to get out of prison maybe if I just say I did it for the reason why they think I did it so maybe if I try that and maybe that'll work and we're never going to tell you I would assume he's just going to die in prison the only thing maybe he gets very sick and they let him out to one of those type things if it matches up with the parole but get out of jail this one is really scary
01:44:54wrong with Mark David Chapman quite a few hit there were signs to you know his co-workers signs to his wife signs everywhere that something was wrong with this guy and so if someone showing these sorts of signs ReachOut call somebody how do you do that with the it's really hard with family how do you say the hard word to somebody of like you're scaring me if there's something about your activities scaring me you have to be able to to make those calls and send someone be able to be honest enough with somebody being like are you really want you to get help and it's not because I hate you are because I'm judging you it's because you're going to become a danger to yourself or the other people dangerous son is all about that about how like what do you do when you have to like give your kid up to the fucking state where you look at look at this kid in me like you are dangerous you're my you're my child but you are very scary yeah we've been to deal with that a lot with foster care you got to make hard choices I once they get to a big enough and mature it's it's Verde
01:45:54yes it is but then again then they just like JD Salinger and then they just end up being it's almost impossible mental health as a solution is such a broad vague idea and it's it's just it's thrown around but it's really almost impossible in a lot of ways but Marcus as in freaked out at all you have no idea what I would be like what I used to be like I'm just glad I'm solid as a rock all of us
01:46:29yeah cuz you both you guys are such great examples to me so I'm alright everyone will thank you so much for listening fascinating great research guys unbelievable story really a lot more to that than than I expected that's for sure thank you everyone who came out on Tuesday night to the Echoplex was the first time running them and unlike we are not extremely depressed saying those words on a stage and we didn't know what those words were even going to be and it was so we're really getting there so I think we had a fun New Life show and hopefully we can see you folks at clusterfest year coming up in the next couple of weeks and we're going to be announcing we are very close to booking a Big Show in July we hope to be announcing that next week and we also hope to have a few more dates for everyone coming up here very soon
01:47:29there will be another show announced next month so we can reserve a table to come out and do as many live shows we were able to last year but you know the book is really it it's taking up a ton of time but it's going to be worth it also know when that book is done we're going to going on a very extensive to work all different sorts of spots in DC Art Exhibit at lethal amounts it was pretty great forgive me to her patreon we really appreciate it without you none of this is possible try and is there anything else I just can't follow us at all or bullshit at Twitter followers on Instagram at dr. Ben Casey and Marcus parks have been cancelled the number one and follow us on the infiltrated social medias that control your thoughts
01:48:29yeah break those sometimes you got to break the stream there sometimes folks are drowning internet is our subconscious and naturally depressed people in the internet is basically just a reflection of that depression which that's why every time you go on it you're happy and every time you leave your depressed every fucking time every time I just crossed over into the same fucking trap constantly I had the fuck off that bullshit I never come away from the internet feeling good isn't that crazy 3-minute of made their living on the internet yeah so are hurt by it constantly you know when I come back feeling good from podcast apps come back learning something ourselves hail Satan hail me don't bother

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