Full Transcript for Rewind: Broken Social Scene & Speedy Ortiz on Friendship, Frustration, and Finding Purpose

In fact, this interview goes back to 2017. 02:31.248 --> 02:36.150 [SPEAKER_06]: when broken social scene were releasing their their first record at that point in like seven years. 02:36.210 --> 02:43.454 [SPEAKER_06]: Now, of course, broken social scene basically a Canadian super group with Kevin Drew, Brandon Canning, feist. 02:43.754 --> 02:46.215 [SPEAKER_06]: You got members of stars and metrics in there. 02:47.095 --> 02:50.637 [SPEAKER_06]: And so what we got to talk about was finally getting back together. 02:51.257 --> 03:05.484 [SPEAKER_06]: to do the Hugg of Thunder LP and Kevin I got to talk about playing Manchester with Johnny Marr the day after the Paris attacks, which is very heavy thing, and stories behind some of the songs on the record. 03:05.564 --> 03:13.128 [SPEAKER_06]: So that's what we're going to start in this special rewind episode heading back to 2017 to talk about broken social scenes Hugg of Thunder. 03:13.268 --> 03:16.770 [SPEAKER_06]: It's Kyle Meredith with Kevin Drew of Broken Social Scene. 03:17.010 --> 03:17.450 [SPEAKER_06]: How are you? 03:17.930 --> 03:26.773 [SPEAKER_06]: I know we've all been like greedy little fans for a few years now of the Gimmie Gimmie Gimmie, but Hugg of Thunder, you knocked it out of the park with this. 03:27.213 --> 03:28.713 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's nice to hear. 03:29.213 --> 03:35.355 [SPEAKER_06]: Is it harder to make a broken social scene record these days or is it just not the focus as much as it used to be? 03:35.787 --> 03:40.369 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not harder, it's just, we slowly have to find our way back into doing it. 03:40.710 --> 03:54.536 [SPEAKER_01]: And we had to sort of get everyone on board with the fact that we were doing it, without sort of pushing or asking, we knew we had a lot of time to sort of take that time to see what we wanted to make and figure out what we were doing together. 03:54.977 --> 04:04.982 [SPEAKER_01]: And just slowly get back into each other's vibe while creating melodies that we knew so well, the memory muscle of who we were playing together just kind of kicked way back in. 04:05.848 --> 04:11.634 [SPEAKER_01]: It sort of became of finding the songs and having those songs excite you and want you to keep moving forward. 04:11.814 --> 04:17.499 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's really what it came down to in terms of continuing and creating this record. 04:17.539 --> 04:22.124 [SPEAKER_01]: Was that we just wanted to make sure that the body of work we were recording was guiding that. 04:22.697 --> 04:35.444 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, the, of course, the thing about broken social scene is it's such a unique monster, you know, for because of, you know, what type of band that you guys are, the extended family all spread out as you can be at times. 04:35.504 --> 04:46.551 [SPEAKER_06]: And I guess I sort of imagine with the way you all write being something akin to, you know, everybody just sort of drifting in and out of the room once everyone's at, you know, the the lakehouse or whatever. 04:46.971 --> 04:50.434 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's exactly how it was, right? 04:50.654 --> 04:52.635 [SPEAKER_06]: Like, how do you find the structure in that? 04:52.696 --> 04:58.480 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, is it just a fun little, you know, in studio campfire jam session that ends up being awesome? 04:59.401 --> 05:00.762 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's a lot of that. 05:00.922 --> 05:07.607 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's a lot of just spending time sitting and trying to figure out what song to go where and who should play on what, and a lot of times, 05:08.279 --> 05:30.707 [SPEAKER_01]: People were just coming to the room and we'd sit down and say here's a bunch of the ideas that we have, you know, we did, we did six day stretch I believe with the horn section and they just kind of came in and every song that we played on they say okay let's work on that one let's not work on that one and you just give people time and freedom to find what they're looking for melodically within what you've already made and it just really comes down to. 05:31.320 --> 05:37.743 [SPEAKER_01]: a sense of trust in having them in the first place and you have so much history with everybody that you always know you're going to land. 05:38.084 --> 05:46.428 [SPEAKER_01]: So it was the curious time at first and then sort of as the summer kicked in when you're out at the bat house by the lake and by the pool and doing all those things. 05:46.468 --> 05:56.053 [SPEAKER_01]: You just suddenly just you make it about what the real purpose in the first place is which is friendship and through that you find the song and that's really what it was. 05:56.672 --> 06:07.079 [SPEAKER_06]: Do you find with that way that, you know, when the outcome happens that there's any sort of thread that does make it make it's way through the album either musically or laterically? 06:07.439 --> 06:07.700 [SPEAKER_01]: I do. 06:08.240 --> 06:09.081 [SPEAKER_01]: I very much do. 06:09.121 --> 06:25.692 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that we layerically having such different lyricists in the band, you found ourselves in the same sort of spot in life and found ourselves sort of singing in the things we could get behind whether it's leftly personalizing how to find their about a story and about living as a youthful 06:26.430 --> 06:30.906 [SPEAKER_01]: young woman out there and then right down to the common sense of society that we wanted to make. 06:31.717 --> 06:38.299 [SPEAKER_01]: and trying to talk about the struggle and how do you continue and how do you hold on, how do you stay together through these times? 06:38.619 --> 06:41.460 [SPEAKER_01]: And it was kind of easy because that's exactly what we were doing. 06:41.660 --> 06:46.001 [SPEAKER_01]: So there wasn't really any conversations about how we were going to approach it directly. 06:46.081 --> 06:48.942 [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone just sort of has their own freedom of expression. 06:49.462 --> 06:54.024 [SPEAKER_01]: And

usually that just means you're lining up if you spend enough time together. 06:54.044 --> 06:56.644 [SPEAKER_01]: You're just going to line up to what the quest 06:59.708 --> 07:06.334 [SPEAKER_06]: It sounds like it's, you know, any other, it's like a conversation you would have at a friend in the kitchen, you know, when you put it back. 07:06.594 --> 07:08.095 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, there was a lot of kitchen come. 07:08.856 --> 07:10.197 [SPEAKER_06]: There's always a lot of kitchen time. 07:10.857 --> 07:14.761 [SPEAKER_06]: Because it's a central center of the universe for some... It is. 07:15.461 --> 07:23.568 [SPEAKER_06]: You know, those world events, of course, as the story goes, I think you've said that it's sort of started coming together because of the Paris attacks, is that right? 07:23.971 --> 07:27.452 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, everyone has their own opinion of why I came together. 07:28.052 --> 07:34.395 [SPEAKER_01]: And recently, Charlie just kept reading on me, said, I don't really want that to be the point of why we got together. 07:34.435 --> 07:48.400 [SPEAKER_01]: We all got together, and this is my self-coding trial spirit, because at some point, a lot of us were unhappy, and wanted to get back to the people and get back to the notion of getting in front of people and playing and seeing if we still have a connection. 07:48.820 --> 07:51.321 [SPEAKER_01]: I think what happened with the PSU taxes, 07:52.648 --> 07:55.751 [SPEAKER_01]: It was very cohesive and in line with our return. 07:56.191 --> 08:01.696 [SPEAKER_01]: And that just sort of sped up the process of us wanting to get back out on stage to get to the people. 08:02.096 --> 08:04.078 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's really what it was. 08:04.238 --> 08:07.861 [SPEAKER_01]: I think in a big group, I've been doing a lot of press. 08:07.921 --> 08:12.044 [SPEAKER_01]: And I've been realizing that this is one opinion out of many. 08:12.405 --> 08:15.908 [SPEAKER_01]: And everyone has their own individual reasons for returning. 08:16.148 --> 08:18.790 [SPEAKER_01]: And though it's cohesive, in the little details, 08:19.200 --> 08:34.364 [SPEAKER_01]: There isn't one set thing that got us back, but that for me was kind of major because it hit close to home in the idea of it was so horrific and such a part of the life that we live that it really side-to-side notion that that could happen. 08:34.745 --> 08:46.268 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that in doing what we do as a band, we do it for the people who are out there choosing to be in front of you and to celebrate with you and to pay to come and see you. 08:46.708 --> 08:47.729 [SPEAKER_01]: and be a part of that. 08:48.169 --> 09:02.056 [SPEAKER_01]: And upon the turning, we really, really wanted to honor that the best that we could because we are so obituary band, we are an systemic band, we are a band that wants to be in the room with you, not just to be on the stage, but to be amongst the people. 09:02.356 --> 09:08.379 [SPEAKER_01]: So it definitely gave us purpose within what we were already sort of trying to put together. 09:08.399 --> 09:10.300 [SPEAKER_01]: It just sort of set up the process. 09:10.820 --> 09:12.201 [SPEAKER_06]: And we'll be right back right after this. 09:13.467 --> 09:17.826 [SPEAKER_06]: Welcome back, it's Kyle Meredith with Kevin Drew of Broken Social Scene. 09:18.397 --> 09:37.305 [SPEAKER_06]: You know, not to make it the point of this interview at all, but I guess it made it even more notable because I think you guys ended up being one of the first bands to play after the Manchesteric Acts, too, which is just a crummy situation for anybody to be and not, you know, no disrespect, obviously, not making light of what everybody else went through. 09:37.685 --> 09:43.688 [SPEAKER_06]: But, you know, just a whole part of the story is, you know, what can be said. 09:48.272 --> 09:53.123 [SPEAKER_01]: was something that we were talking about returning up the Paris attack the moment start our first real tour. 09:53.424 --> 09:58.656 [SPEAKER_01]: We landed and you know five hours six hours later something absolutely horrific happened. 09:59.117 --> 10:21.902 [SPEAKER_01]: But within that, within that horror, we were at a town watching people still moving on when we arrived the next day, but we went to the vigil when we went and we felt the energy and we weren't sure if it shows going to continue and it did and our audience came out and to be in that energy is something that none of us have experienced before and we were all there together doing that. 10:21.982 --> 10:24.043 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's very humbling and it's very, really 10:24.495 --> 10:51.821 [SPEAKER_01]: wipes away all the unnecessary of this life and you find yourself surely just purely excuse me focused on wanting to play and the fortunate aspect of Johnny Mark coming out and joining the stage with us was pretty unbelievable and to be of that then you that night there is really no words for it and that aspect of watching the crowd and seeing the emotions and being there but we did say there's no place we'd rather be than hear tonight and we meant it 10:54.082 --> 11:12.806 [SPEAKER_01]: came out and just played wasn't even like the players that thought or we just said no we just got to go and we got to play and my father was there so that was strange to have the old school around while we were trying to figure out what to do and it just felt kind of comforting and the audience that night were beyond exceptional and beyond open. 11:13.302 --> 11:15.143 [SPEAKER_01]: and that city was very incredible. 11:15.163 --> 11:18.186 [SPEAKER_01]: It was very encouraging and incredible to be there with them. 11:18.566 --> 11:18.746 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. 11:19.106 --> 11:34.478 [SPEAKER_06]: The way you guys have always talked about that, I mean, you bring up the word friendship and I hear that a lot, especially with this one and just the positivity that you guys put into the world, I would back you up

and say that you were the perfect band for the time and place for that moment. 11:35.318 --> 11:35.859 [SPEAKER_06]: Well, thank you. 11:36.119 --> 11:39.682 [SPEAKER_06]: His back is in his superhero movie, I can try to emulate that. 11:40.763 --> 11:44.686 [SPEAKER_06]: I'd also say, be careful because all you got to do is open the door for Johnny Marron. 11:44.706 --> 11:45.867 [SPEAKER_06]: He's officially part of the band. 11:46.147 --> 11:46.968 [SPEAKER_06]: Man likes to do that. 11:46.988 --> 11:47.668 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 11:48.789 --> 11:51.932 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, we've actually, we've hung out a bunch. 11:52.372 --> 11:54.854 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's been really lovely to me in the last kind of ten years. 11:54.954 --> 11:56.135 [SPEAKER_01]: I met him from modest mouth. 11:56.195 --> 11:59.118 [SPEAKER_01]: And we've had his son come up and play with us before. 11:59.138 --> 12:00.319 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's joined us before. 12:01.062 --> 12:05.326 [SPEAKER_01]: So knowing that he was in town, I played with him a couple of times, he's come through Toronto. 12:05.366 --> 12:23.464 [SPEAKER_01]: So it was planned that he was going to come out and play, but obviously, like so many who were from there, he was very upset and he just said, I can't do a cat, and I understood that, but I think as he saw his town rise up, and as I sent him sort of text throughout the day, 12:26.360 --> 12:35.147 [SPEAKER_01]: knowing that we are going to open with a song like Anthos for a 17-year-old girl, she called about an hour before the show and said, I'm going to come and I'm going to do this. 12:35.727 --> 12:37.228 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's something that I'll never forget. 12:37.588 --> 12:39.510 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's an exceptional human being. 12:40.310 --> 12:45.834 [SPEAKER_01]: And the legend, but just such a grounded down to earth person, there's no one better. 12:46.095 --> 12:46.415 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 12:46.455 --> 12:49.937 [SPEAKER_01]: And it was so beautiful to take this stage with us. 12:50.238 --> 12:53.440 [SPEAKER_01]: I will forever be in debt for him giving us time moments. 12:53.776 --> 12:54.877 [SPEAKER_06]: I will switch gears a little bit. 12:55.838 --> 12:57.459 [SPEAKER_06]: There's no good way to do that from this point. 12:59.040 --> 13:01.001 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I'm not going. 13:01.041 --> 13:06.886 [SPEAKER_06]: To at least hit on the latest single because skyline, you know, it comes across as simple, especially lyrically. 13:06.926 --> 13:21.877 [SPEAKER_06]: You know, it's sort of that, what do you call that the whole, you know, the turnaround, you know, it's sort of plays on that circle and everything and it was kind of wondering about the challenge to keep an idea like that interesting over four minutes, which you know, you've done. 13:22.778 --> 13:39.423 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, that was the song of the one song that I'm so grateful the guys sort of grabbed from a bunch of songs that I played them because

really this whole record is just ground up everyone in the room creating from ground up because you really upon returning where you really wanted the band to have ownership. 13:39.783 --> 13:48.805 [SPEAKER_01]: And, and Justin and her this song one night and they wanted to do it and we did it and they all brought such fresh sort of love to 13:51.022 --> 13:53.024 [SPEAKER_01]: We're working with a gentleman, Sean Everett. 13:53.264 --> 14:00.390 [SPEAKER_01]: He kind of went for that moaning, moaning, drum break down and just sort of fell into place of guiding the truth. 14:00.650 --> 14:04.974 [SPEAKER_01]: There's something very beautiful about repetition and mantras within music. 14:05.840 --> 14:29.832 [SPEAKER_01]: And we didn't completely touch upon that with this record, but with Skyline, I'm glad that we did it because sometimes you don't need much, you just sort of need a few chords, a few sentences, and you need to repeat things for them to register and it's sort of my heartfelt song towards the city of Toronto, towards the ladies and my life towards all the Emily Haynes would play at the memory mine field that is, 14:30.709 --> 14:44.330 [SPEAKER_01]: that town for me and some days I walked through that city and I think about everyone and everyone who I don't see anymore and the people in my life and the relationships that was kind of what Skyline was about and I'm glad we captured it. 14:44.780 --> 15:09.917 [SPEAKER_06]: it wasn't until I started reading about it that I had even realized that it is just you know those those same lines over and over because it's it's just a beautiful song as it is and i think i said that was sort of the impressive part about the whole thing is that it works without you completely figuring it out right at the beginning and then once you do figure it out you know it's uh... you know it because more meaningful uh... onion skin that believe they call that so 15:13.269 --> 15:14.569 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I love this record. 15:14.930 --> 15:16.530 [SPEAKER_06]: Kevin and it's been so great to talk to you. 15:16.550 --> 15:17.951 [SPEAKER_06]: Thank you so much for taking the time. 15:18.571 --> 15:20.271 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, thank you for loving it. 15:20.792 --> 15:24.813 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for playing and thanks for the support because we're just trying to get back out there. 15:25.277 --> 15:41.011 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll try to get back to reaching everyone and it doesn't go by or we appreciate all the support we're getting in the teams that are helping us in the stations that are coming on board and the interviews and all that we're here to we're here to return so thank you very much. 15:41.544 --> 15:42.845 [SPEAKER_06]: You make it easy for us, you do. 15:44.825 --> 15:46.886 [SPEAKER_06]: All right, have fun, have fun summer. 15:47.106 --> 15:53.409 [SPEAKER_06]: As someone would say in a yearbook, have a great summer, and we'll see you on the other side. 15:54.250 --> 15:56.831 [SPEAKER_06]: You know, stay the same, never change. 15:57.411 --> 15:59.832 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, never change man, never change. 15:59.852 --> 16:02.433 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, thank you so much, you take care. 16:02.593 --> 16:04.194 [SPEAKER_06]: You take care too, bye, bye. 16:04.914 --> 16:06.255 [SPEAKER_06]: And we'll be right back right after this. 16:07.596 --> 16:16.319 [SPEAKER_06]: Welcome back, it's Kyle Meredith, so the second part of this rewind is with Sadie Dupui of speedy Ortiz. 16:16.379 --> 16:20.340 [SPEAKER_06]: Now I'm going to include two different interviews that I've done with speedy over the years. 16:20.360 --> 16:22.941 [SPEAKER_06]: I think we've done more than two, but definitely these two. 16:23.781 --> 16:39.656 [SPEAKER_06]: and mostly we talk about speedy but but of course sady does so much more than that too i mean uh she's a poet she's got poetry books out there she runs the wax nine label she's got her solo electronic records under sad 13 she's one of the greatest lyricists that i've ever heard definitely of this generation 16:40.516 --> 17:02.589 [SPEAKER_06]: and so so we're gonna start back in in 2015 this is uh... this is when we jumped online to talk about uh... feminism we talked about politics we talk a lot of del Rey we talk about speedy or t's and a lot more so uh... this is part two part one of part two of this special rewind episode Kyle Meredith with city du puy of speedy or t's 17:03.430 --> 17:05.492 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, we are good. 17:06.012 --> 17:07.894 [SPEAKER_06]: It's first of my, they've actually done an interview on Skype. 17:07.954 --> 17:10.016 [SPEAKER_06]: So it's from happy to finally do this. 17:10.556 --> 17:12.378 [SPEAKER_02]: Somehow I have like three of these today. 17:12.678 --> 17:13.118 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, really? 17:13.138 --> 17:15.380 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and they never, they're never on Skype. 17:15.540 --> 17:15.801 [SPEAKER_06]: Right. 17:16.901 --> 17:19.924 [SPEAKER_06]: Well, foil deer is fantastic. 17:19.944 --> 17:21.245 [SPEAKER_06]: Thank you so much. 17:21.425 --> 17:23.507 [SPEAKER_06]: Guessing that that's what most people tell you at this point. 17:23.567 --> 17:26.630 [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know if anybody's actually come up to you and say maybe I was so blind. 17:27.190 --> 17:30.072 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, especially friends who dislike this shit is terrible. 17:31.890 --> 17:49.323 [SPEAKER_06]: But it's great what I instantly loved about it like the music stands out at the beginning and I know there's been a lot of talk about the music about The maybe a little retro sound of it, but it's really your lyrics that they got me on this like you're an artist who's not afraid to start saying something with the lyrics Cool and I think 17:50.408 --> 18:00.111 [SPEAKER_06]: And maybe, I don't know, if you agree on me with me here, but an artist is an obligated to use a, you know, their music as a podium or anything, but it seems like you kind of take that opportunity. 18:00.131 -->

18:12.434 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I don't know how interesting my own life is, so my brother had music that has a purpose and maybe could be instigating some positive way. 18:13.214 --> 18:16.375 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and when you say instigating, is that like, 18:17.566 --> 18:24.769 [SPEAKER_06]: trying to push your audience to start a conversation or is it just like, this is what I believe stand with me your notes? 18:25.669 --> 18:45.136 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, some combination of the two, I think, I think there's certain politics that it'll just dismiss outright, but um, I think like a lot of the ideas that the last album introduces are, um, maybe political ideas that haven't come into like the pop cultural lexicon, um, until pretty recently, um, so many people who are like, 18:45.971 --> 18:50.536 [SPEAKER_02]: Getting interested in rock music, I've been growing up with feminism or thought about it tremendously. 18:50.596 --> 18:57.203 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought about how their actions are impactful or erasing of other people's voices. 18:57.263 --> 19:02.909 [SPEAKER_02]: So I think a lot of the lyrics and the album are sort of like subtle ways of introducing those ideas. 19:03.630 --> 19:05.572 [SPEAKER_02]: And at least lead in so I can talk about the interviews. 19:07.073 --> 19:08.715 [SPEAKER_06]: because you need something to talk about interviews. 19:09.076 --> 19:09.717 [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly. 19:10.418 --> 19:16.846 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I even wondered if I should hit on the whole subject of feminism only because you talked about it so much. 19:16.886 --> 19:18.809 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'm happy to talk about whatever. 19:18.829 --> 19:21.312 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, well, only mean that is, you know, 19:22.193 --> 19:26.095 [SPEAKER_06]: Is there a point where you start to become almost known about like, that's your thing? 19:26.155 --> 19:27.896 [SPEAKER_06]: That's, you know, that becomes your thing. 19:27.976 --> 19:30.397 [SPEAKER_06]: It is at such a bad thing when it's something like this. 19:30.638 --> 19:34.239 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I see so many bands who's like, big, long, future interview for their albums. 19:34.259 --> 19:36.501 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I have this drug problem. 19:36.541 --> 19:39.022 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I have just too much money to spend on drugs. 19:40.443 --> 19:44.785 [SPEAKER_02]: And I guess they'd rather my thing be, you know, social justice, 19:49.831 --> 20:05.874 [SPEAKER_02]: Rich kid gets arrested with drugs like, and I guess I'm sick of reading about bands that, um, you know, the impetus for an album is something like that or breakup, but not to say that like drug crumbs aren't seriously legitimate and a problem, but I'd rather. 20:07.266 --> 20:23.058 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I don't know, it seems to me that the ways in which lots of our societies catalyzed and denied opportunities and in very real danger all the time is a bit more of a serious subject, and I'd rather dedicate time to that. 20:23.538 --> 20:23.918 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. 20:24.259 --> 20:26.761 [SPEAKER_06]: Do you know how we get past all of it at this point? 20:26.801 --> 20:29.523 [SPEAKER_06]: Like, like, say you're your lyrics start the conversation. 20:29.903 --> 20:34.927 [SPEAKER_06]: Like, if you figured out, going back, let's say to feminism as a very specific subject, like, 20:35.952 --> 20:40.954 [SPEAKER_06]: You know, in the world, even in, you know, rock music, like, what's the answer? 20:41.034 --> 20:42.455 [SPEAKER_06]: How, how is it solved? 20:42.615 --> 20:44.476 [SPEAKER_06]: How do we get there to the promised land? 20:44.776 --> 20:48.038 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, um, the world's pretty pretty messed up. 20:48.138 --> 20:50.179 [SPEAKER_02]: It's pretty messed up, it's pretty messed up. 20:51.493 --> 20:55.395 [SPEAKER_02]: leave capitalist world that I don't know how redeemable it can be. 20:55.895 --> 21:05.299 [SPEAKER_02]: But I think one step is showcasing more kinds of voices that have been denied opportunities and not that I'm like a poster child for a lot of those voices. 21:05.359 --> 21:15.764 [SPEAKER_02]: But even still, you look at festival line ups and women are not represented in the ways that they should be, very rarely do you see people of color performing in rock bands, sir. 21:17.245 --> 21:26.088 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not to say that they're not in my hands, but those rock bands don't get printer online coverage in the ways that you know, for white guys too. 21:26.368 --> 21:27.048 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 21:27.108 --> 21:27.448 [SPEAKER_02]: Still. 21:28.088 --> 21:37.151 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think just like greater exposure to a wider array of voices is important to me at least. 21:38.031 --> 21:42.433 [SPEAKER_02]: So for us, like whatever tiny platform we have, we try to use towards 21:43.760 --> 21:47.024 [SPEAKER_02]: pointing in the direction of other voices that we think are important. 21:47.925 --> 21:54.372 [SPEAKER_02]: And we're sort of, you know, I'm doing like press stuff, but I'm sort of still, it's just like weird. 21:55.654 --> 22:02.261 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't have anything to say about myself, it's so much anywhere, but we try to use these things to bring awareness to issues that are important to us. 22:04.165 --> 22:07.946 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, to raise donations or point to organizations that we think we're doing more. 22:08.386 --> 22:13.087 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I don't think you should downplay yourself on that, too, because I mean, that again, that comes back to the platform. 22:13.227 --> 22:21.709 [SPEAKER_06]: You have an incredible record that people are finding and they're, you know, once they find it, you know, it's that part of digging in a little bit more. 22:21.749 --> 22:24.690 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, yes, so once they find it, I'm like, go here and hear your hands, though. 22:25.070 --> 22:40.029 [SPEAKER_06]: Well, I'll say this though, you know, there's a million songs that's released every day and most of

them are completely forgettable cotton candy or or you know some variation of that like if you're going to find your favorite band there has to be a reason why they're your favorite band. 22:40.049 --> 22:41.851 [SPEAKER_06]: I think what you guys are doing is exactly 22:42.692 --> 22:45.093 [SPEAKER_06]: you know, it's good, it's that's the culprit. 22:45.113 --> 22:47.174 [SPEAKER_06]: That's I wish more bands would do that. 22:47.194 --> 22:48.114 [SPEAKER_02]: It's local things. 22:48.314 --> 22:55.356 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I assume you're paying close attention to the craziness that's happening in the the election. 22:55.376 --> 23:02.299 [SPEAKER_02]: I have period to these nuts and doors burning for the Democratic candidate. 23:02.999 --> 23:05.240 [SPEAKER_02]: my wife and I want to reach out to these nuts, honestly. 23:05.460 --> 23:16.946 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it's a great deal that that's, but like, I mean, every, you always have the, the old thing about Mickey Mouse, you know, Mickey Mouse was always a candidate, but now it's like become so absurd that D's nuts got 9% of both. 23:16.966 --> 23:19.687 [SPEAKER_02]: They've been in their carolina, it's amazing. 23:20.367 --> 23:21.828 [SPEAKER_02]: That's because like, you know. 23:23.247 --> 23:25.288 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Donald Trump's such a clown. 23:26.469 --> 23:29.932 [SPEAKER_02]: It's shocking to me that I thought that'd be a meme that died out in a week. 23:31.192 --> 23:35.996 [SPEAKER_02]: At the very least, I have Donald Trump to thank for the adopting the term, my wherever. 23:36.496 --> 23:36.776 [SPEAKER_02]: So. 23:38.537 --> 23:38.717 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. 23:39.278 --> 23:49.565 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, is it still Donald Donald founding to you, though, that Donald Trump, as a woman in America, has that many supporters right now. 23:50.710 --> 23:53.555 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't say, I mean, I'm totally surprised, but I shouldn't be. 23:53.575 --> 23:55.698 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, because some of them have to be women, right? 23:56.399 --> 24:01.227 [SPEAKER_06]: The percentage, just the way it plays out, some of them are women actually saying, nope, this is the guy for me. 24:02.603 --> 24:09.206 [SPEAKER_02]: I just, the level of the agency that is so widespread sometimes gets pretty depressing. 24:09.386 --> 24:29.054 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you see, like, um, I don't know if you saw that, uh, target, getting rid of the, um, gender clothing for kids, um, voice, their sight at least the sections, um, and there was, there were, like, all these comments on the target Facebook page, just like, people like, I will no longer just during your store and I'm taking my business to Walmart, like, 24:30.460 --> 24:44.044 [SPEAKER_02]: cool, like way about with your dollars, this is like, and the fact that these like, you know, that political correctness is the crux of like Donald Trump, Donald Trump, we have to get Donald Trump, it's got his present. 24:45.104 --> 24:48.145 [SPEAKER_06]: It's going

to be, okay, wait for that artist to come out. 24:48.165 --> 24:50.786 [SPEAKER_02]: But the fact that like, you know, 24:52.619 --> 25:07.784 [SPEAKER_02]: rally against political correctness is the crux of this guy's campaign is just like who's really worried about political correctness carrying down our country's values like it's just like a smoke and mirror sort of spectrum issues that would actually impact the people who are voting for him like you know 25:08.983 --> 25:29.976 [SPEAKER_02]: the, the, many of the supporters of Trump, the ones who aren't like the super wealthy obvious ones are people who would benefit from, you know, higher taxes for the wealthy or for redistribution of, you know, federal spending and their only concern is like that we can't, you know, why are we allowing people to use the bathrooms that align with their gender like, 25:32.510 --> 25:33.850 [SPEAKER_02]: So yes, I have been following you like that. 25:33.891 --> 25:35.751 [SPEAKER_06]: You don't have a lot of hope for the future, do you? 25:36.411 --> 25:36.812 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I do. 25:36.832 --> 25:38.212 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think the Donald Trump will get elected. 25:38.412 --> 25:38.672 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. 25:38.932 --> 25:40.673 [SPEAKER_06]: Well, that is, I mean, we're far now south. 25:40.733 --> 25:42.514 [SPEAKER_06]: I figure that pendulum hill, I don't know. 25:42.534 --> 25:47.195 [SPEAKER_06]: He'll probably, uh, what is the old phrase, uh, give me enough rope, right? 25:47.795 --> 25:48.116 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 25:48.236 --> 25:48.596 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 25:48.856 --> 25:52.017 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it seems like there's, you know, he's been hanging himself over and over again. 25:52.057 --> 25:53.578 [SPEAKER_02]: He still doesn't come on the race. 25:53.898 --> 25:54.098 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 25:54.438 --> 25:57.419 [SPEAKER_06]: Is there anybody out there that you're, uh, you think is worth it? 25:58.298 --> 26:12.182 [SPEAKER_02]: he's not, I went to a Bernie Sanders rally, he's got his problems too, but in many ways I think he most closely lines with my ideas for how our country should run. 26:12.202 --> 26:24.065 [SPEAKER_02]: And then I like a lot of what Hillary says, I would, I think it's very likely that Hillary will wind up the democratic nominee in which case, 26:25.548 --> 26:31.571 [SPEAKER_02]: I might just vote for Jill Stein again, but I wouldn't be too depressed with Hillary as president. 26:31.850 --> 26:34.391 [SPEAKER_06]: Let me think we put a list with Warren in the race and then it'll be about. 26:34.871 --> 26:40.813 [SPEAKER_02]: I heard that she was being served as a VP for race and there's a few kids not so that would be amazing to get. 26:40.833 --> 26:42.014 [SPEAKER_02]: That would be amazing to get. 26:42.574 --> 26:42.754 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 26:43.454 --> 26:43.654 [SPEAKER_02]: All right. 26:43.694 --> 26:44.234 [SPEAKER_06]: I guess we'll see. 26:44.254 --> 26:53.798 [SPEAKER_06]: And I don't mean to take away, you

know, we've spent all the time talking politics because I'm really interested in what you're saying, but there is a record out there and foil deer and you guys are promoting it. 26:54.638 --> 26:58.500 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's been kind of... Yeah, I was like, no idea how my band made, like, intensive or not. 26:58.540 --> 26:58.680 [SPEAKER_02]: So... 26:59.660 --> 27:01.821 [SPEAKER_02]: That's always a thing though, when you're doing it for myself alone. 27:02.061 --> 27:04.262 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, when you're the lead singer, though, you kind of do that. 27:04.302 --> 27:11.284 [SPEAKER_06]: You have that microphone, and they, I don't know if they have to follow suit, you know, they just have to, they say, okay, that's who we are. 27:11.764 --> 27:20.487 [SPEAKER_02]: A lot of times we'll do reviews with all four of us, and then it's just like, we can get a little comfortable with it, because we do all have pretty different perspectives on, at least this wrong. 27:21.167 --> 27:22.628 [SPEAKER_06]: Is anybody a Republican in the band? 27:22.948 --> 27:23.928 [SPEAKER_02]: No, not yet. 27:25.089 --> 27:25.489 [SPEAKER_06]: But yet. 27:26.312 --> 27:31.319 [SPEAKER_02]: We did have like a pretty long car ride recently where this was like maybe a few three months ago or something. 27:31.339 --> 27:35.224 [SPEAKER_02]: We were just looking at all the people who were running for a Republican. 27:35.244 --> 27:38.628 [SPEAKER_02]: And it was just like, it was a name Irish car ride. 27:38.648 --> 27:41.051 [SPEAKER_02]: So you're just, it was like really this long like. 27:41.872 --> 27:42.792 [SPEAKER_02]: all the worst ones. 27:43.493 --> 27:44.953 [SPEAKER_02]: How's every single worst one really? 27:44.993 --> 27:46.693 [SPEAKER_06]: Every single, and they're there. 27:46.773 --> 27:47.274 [SPEAKER_06]: It's beautiful. 27:47.454 --> 27:48.294 [SPEAKER_06]: This has never happened. 27:48.554 --> 27:57.336 [SPEAKER_06]: It's a beautiful time to watch politics as long as it doesn't result in, you know, the movie was at idiotic here, whatever it was called. 27:57.396 --> 27:57.897 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I see. 27:58.117 --> 27:59.077 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah. 27:59.717 --> 28:01.478 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we could be eating it both luckers in a 28:03.118 --> 28:04.879 [SPEAKER_02]: You're trying to see me. 28:05.079 --> 28:07.020 [SPEAKER_06]: Outside of politics, I wanted to ask you. 28:08.001 --> 28:09.001 [SPEAKER_06]: You had, I don't know. 28:09.021 --> 28:12.243 [SPEAKER_06]: Did you have a leg up when you said you wanted to become a musician? 28:12.283 --> 28:13.524 [SPEAKER_06]: Because your dad was part of the industry. 28:13.544 --> 28:15.425 [SPEAKER_06]: You guys was part of lots of different parts of the industry. 28:15.445 --> 28:16.926 [SPEAKER_02]: You did a lot of things. 28:17.586 --> 28:19.888 [SPEAKER_02]: I've kind of refused any of this company. 28:20.068 --> 28:20.288 [SPEAKER_06]: Really? 28:20.648 --> 28:22.490 [SPEAKER_02]: any sense, it was to his great personality. 28:22.530 --> 28:23.991 [SPEAKER_06]: It's just even knowledge though, right? 28:24.031 --> 28:25.112 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, that's something. 28:25.132 --> 28:25.533 [SPEAKER_06]: That's at least. 28:25.553 --> 28:31.959 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's certainly like a lot of my desire to talk about and listen to music came from just growing up with him. 28:32.039 --> 28:35.122 [SPEAKER_02]: Like we had a record player in the house, like he would buy 45s to put in it. 28:37.564 --> 28:51.851 [SPEAKER_02]: and they're telling me what they all were and things that he'd work on, so I think like most of my and also like he played piano, so I took piano lessons as a kid, because that was what he did as well. 28:52.411 --> 28:56.854 [SPEAKER_02]: So in that sense, yeah, he had a lot to do with me presenting music, but I also 29:02.310 --> 29:03.591 [SPEAKER_02]: didn't want too much input. 29:04.071 --> 29:04.271 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 29:04.651 --> 29:06.853 [SPEAKER_02]: It's now like if you wanted. 29:06.873 --> 29:08.014 [SPEAKER_02]: If you wanted it. 29:08.274 --> 29:08.434 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. 29:08.554 --> 29:11.135 [SPEAKER_06]: If you wanted it, could he have really helped you out? 29:11.175 --> 29:12.636 [SPEAKER_06]: If you had said, hey, I want to do this. 29:12.716 --> 29:14.157 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, was it back to type of a thing? 29:14.177 --> 29:15.138 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, not really. 29:15.278 --> 29:18.740 [SPEAKER_02]: He was like the capacity to make sure you worked in the music industry. 29:18.820 --> 29:21.282 [SPEAKER_02]: It was pretty peripheral and he hadn't done it for... 29:22.587 --> 29:26.410 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, like early 80s, I think he, he, 81, too. 29:26.690 --> 29:34.215 [SPEAKER_02]: So any of the major things that he worked for, either have ceased to exist or the buddies still working in them. 29:34.536 --> 29:36.317 [SPEAKER_02]: But he had, you know, his friends were more like, 29:38.118 --> 29:48.462 [SPEAKER_02]: He was he had made hand-pouch ups with some musicians who were like being notable and Interesting to me like he had seen friends of Louis Rade until You know, both of them passed away. 29:48.622 --> 30:01.246 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, um, and David Bern was a neighbor and So I didn't like know these people seek a wall, but it would be like my dad being like me and my friend David I was like Dad, I don't care where your friends are 30:04.388 --> 30:20.722 [SPEAKER_06]: I see I'm that kind of dad like I've got a he's almost eight years old and I wonder about that like because I'm like trying to turn him on all this stuff and he's because you think of all the kids were bailing against their parents you know I don't want my kid going oh man my dad just listen to rock and roll I've got to do something completely different 30:21.662 --> 30:27.604 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, it's funny, I don't think that we had too much musical taste in common. 30:28.585 --> 30:40.710 [SPEAKER_02]: So

maybe in a way, he certainly didn't like the very pleasing music, which is weird, because he had worked for ZE records and worked with James Chance. 30:40.730 --> 30:46.172 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think the one of the last albums that we had the long conversation about was Lana Del Rey. 30:46.192 --> 30:47.792 [SPEAKER_02]: He really, really liked it. 30:51.444 --> 30:53.545 [SPEAKER_06]: And I'm sure you're really cranking the a lot of del Rey. 30:53.565 --> 30:55.587 [SPEAKER_02]: I actually really liked the last album. 30:56.627 --> 30:58.068 [SPEAKER_06]: The one that came out like, what last year? 30:58.088 --> 30:59.970 [SPEAKER_06]: What's most in all that? 31:00.170 --> 31:02.031 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, there were some good team for that one. 31:02.891 --> 31:03.672 [SPEAKER_06]: Just hit with me. 31:03.832 --> 31:05.933 [SPEAKER_06]: And it's not because I have anything against you. 31:05.953 --> 31:07.134 [SPEAKER_06]: It just, it doesn't land with me. 31:09.543 --> 31:15.566 [SPEAKER_02]: It took me some time and a lot of it still breaks me, but there's some good teams in the last one. 31:15.747 --> 31:16.327 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, all right. 31:16.427 --> 31:17.448 [SPEAKER_06]: I might go back and listen. 31:17.488 --> 31:19.469 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you don't have to. 31:20.089 --> 31:23.331 [SPEAKER_06]: Aside from touring, what happens with speed your T's from here? 31:24.735 --> 31:26.236 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, is there a break? 31:26.296 --> 31:30.237 [SPEAKER_06]: Is there an end of campaign and then live your life for a little bit, kind of? 31:30.257 --> 31:36.779 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, kind of like, I had like a pretty secure regular day job that I quit to do this. 31:37.359 --> 31:42.981 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's kind of just like, let's see how much stuff we can do for as long as possible until no one wants to come to shows anymore. 31:43.001 --> 31:43.841 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 31:44.001 --> 31:49.503 [SPEAKER_02]: For sort of in that survival mode, if we will do things as long as anyone asked, 31:51.505 --> 31:52.186 [SPEAKER_02]: What's up for us? 31:52.226 --> 31:53.828 [SPEAKER_02]: We have a couple of videos we just finished. 31:54.328 --> 31:55.870 [SPEAKER_02]: So we're going to try put those out. 31:56.671 --> 31:58.533 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, we have a couple of them. 31:58.553 --> 32:00.115 [SPEAKER_02]: This is like the speaking of like. 32:01.063 --> 32:01.804 [SPEAKER_02]: and politics. 32:01.824 --> 32:10.532 [SPEAKER_02]: We have these covers that we recorded months ago, but it's like, you know, we see bands put out a cover and it gets from your on a blog. 32:10.552 --> 32:13.795 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, it's like now be a promotional play, you know what I mean? 32:13.815 --> 32:17.078 [SPEAKER_02]: And like, what can we do with these that's like slightly more interesting? 32:17.098 --> 32:20.602 [SPEAKER_02]: So we're trying to figure out how to maybe release them and have 32:22.598 --> 32:27.000 [SPEAKER_02]: It's going

to be tied to donations for charity, but it's complicated because we don't have the rights. 32:27.461 --> 32:28.661 [SPEAKER_02]: We've done that kind of thing before. 32:28.701 --> 32:33.284 [SPEAKER_02]: We've had the rights of the song that on these, like if we just put it up as a cover, that's fine. 32:33.304 --> 32:34.144 [SPEAKER_02]: That's pretty useful. 32:34.664 --> 32:40.247 [SPEAKER_02]: If we're trying to fundraise, we have to clear all kinds of things, so that's like a thing we're trying to figure out right now. 32:40.267 --> 32:41.068 [SPEAKER_06]: It takes the fun out of it. 32:41.088 --> 32:48.752 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not really because if we get to donate a bunch of money to, like, you know, black and pink, so it would be great for a planned period of, um, 32:49.960 --> 32:56.265 [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, that's sort of when, you know, we have these things that either release or just trying to figure out a way of you that's not totally getting me. 32:58.026 --> 32:58.686 [SPEAKER_06]: We'll get luck on it. 32:58.786 --> 32:59.367 [SPEAKER_06]: I can't wait to hear. 32:59.387 --> 33:00.067 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you. 33:00.107 --> 33:01.248 [SPEAKER_06]: It was really cool to talk to you. 33:01.448 --> 33:02.089 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you too. 33:02.169 --> 33:04.991 [SPEAKER_06]: This is one of my favorite records of the year, like without a doubt. 33:05.131 --> 33:06.132 [SPEAKER_06]: So it really really is. 33:06.152 --> 33:07.673 [SPEAKER_06]: That's not throwing that out there's flattery. 33:07.973 --> 33:08.954 [SPEAKER_06]: It's fantastic. 33:08.994 --> 33:10.415 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's cool. 33:10.435 --> 33:11.075 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much. 33:11.095 --> 33:11.776 [SPEAKER_06]: Well done, you. 33:12.716 --> 33:12.836 [SPEAKER_06]: Ah. 33:13.477 --> 33:14.958 [SPEAKER_06]: All right. 33:14.998 --> 33:16.419 [SPEAKER_06]: Thank you so much, and I'll see you around. 33:16.439 --> 33:17.620 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, thank you, Kyle. 33:18.088 --> 33:20.509 [SPEAKER_06]: the Skype interviews of 2015 right there. 33:21.049 --> 33:24.149 [SPEAKER_06]: Sadie Dupui, okay, now part two, this goes up to 2018. 33:25.250 --> 33:28.150 [SPEAKER_06]: Speedy had just released the LP Tworkverse. 33:28.770 --> 33:34.352 [SPEAKER_06]: And we got to talk about her positive outlook on the state of affairs and monster movies. 33:34.852 --> 33:37.212 [SPEAKER_06]: This is part three of this rewind episode. 33:37.252 --> 33:40.053 [SPEAKER_06]: Kyle Maird was Sadie Dupui of Speedy Ortiz. 33:40.532 --> 33:41.253 [SPEAKER_03]: Hi, how are you? 33:41.453 --> 33:42.493 [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, it's good to talk to you again. 33:42.694 --> 33:43.034 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you do. 33:43.054 --> 33:43.774 [SPEAKER_03]: How are you doing? 33:43.894 --> 33:44.375 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm well. 33:44.395 --> 33:46.196 [SPEAKER_06]: I'm going to talk about twerk verse. 33:46.616 --> 33:48.117 [SPEAKER_06]: The new record April 27th. 33:48.638 --> 33:49.478 [SPEAKER_03]: Shockingly

soon. 33:50.519 --> 33:51.540 [SPEAKER_06]: It is shockingly soon. 33:51.560 --> 33:53.741 [SPEAKER_06]: Well, what we've heard three songs so far. 33:54.061 --> 33:55.082 [SPEAKER_03]: And we're not getting any more. 33:55.102 --> 33:58.144 [SPEAKER_06]: Well, everything sounds really freaking great so far. 33:58.504 --> 33:59.245 [SPEAKER_06]: I'm excited about it. 33:59.265 --> 33:59.525 [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you. 33:59.545 --> 33:59.725 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 34:01.186 --> 34:05.069 [SPEAKER_03]: Let's, let's see here, you know, it's nice to live in that kind of limbo when it's like, 34:05.725 --> 34:11.412 [SPEAKER_03]: And you know what it's like and you've got to read and plan, but like still get to be at home and no one's like, you know, really hurt it yet. 34:11.812 --> 34:16.338 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a nice calm time before the storm of like present work. 34:17.839 --> 34:20.623 [SPEAKER_06]: I'm jumping in that I'm ruining all of that for you this morning. 34:20.643 --> 34:24.047 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah, it's really my whole Monday, totally shot. 34:25.075 --> 34:53.460 [SPEAKER_06]: Well, I mean, the three songs I've heard so far, each one of them seems like they are tackling a big issue in a way, but without trivializing, or even really being completely specific, like there's still a lot of lyrical mystery going on here, is that something that you wanted to do because they're obviously, like for some people, they're just writing their anti-Trump record, or whatever version of that, that isn't, that's not what this is, this is something bigger, this is something that feels more human, I guess. 34:54.045 --> 34:59.630 [SPEAKER_03]: I think maybe a signature of this project is that it's never been, I like the expression you just use the numerical mystery. 34:59.690 --> 35:00.851 [SPEAKER_03]: That seems really fun to me. 35:01.172 --> 35:10.801 [SPEAKER_03]: I've always really viewed getting the lyrics right as like this big puzzle for me and wanting to make sure that they do things that surprise me and that they would be fun to read on the page and on just here in the sound. 35:10.941 --> 35:15.385 [SPEAKER_03]: So while these are, you know, very intentionally big subjects that were 35:15.725 --> 35:28.107 [SPEAKER_03]: working on on this record, I didn't want to lose that sense of play that is sort of inherent to speed your T's lyrics that makes them so fun for me to write and sing and make album art work where I'm so excited for people getting to read them written down. 35:28.207 --> 35:42.270 [SPEAKER_03]: So it's a balance of that wanting to sort of not explore, but really just ends about the things that frustrate me on a daily basis, but also do it in the way that the lyrics could be something interesting to dig into and kind of unpack. 35:42.659 --> 35:48.442 [SPEAKER_06]: was there anything I guess subject-wise that you had tried to tackle but couldn't articulate in that way? 35:48.862 --> 36:12.153 [SPEAKER_03]: Well one, I mean there's

a couple songs that are older that maybe I had written years ago but didn't feel like it was the right timing for me to put a song like that into the world like villains for example is from almost four years ago at this point and I had had been holding on to the demo for a long time because it just didn't seem like a subject that I was ready to delve into specifically because it is about harassment and sexual assault. 36:12.433 --> 36:30.285 [SPEAKER_03]: Whereas like when I did the sad routine project a couple years ago, I did this very positive celebratory song about affirmative consent and it seems like consent is much more a part of our national conversation at this point and it felt like a time that it was okay to release that song villain and that maybe it could contribute something to somebody else. 36:30.766 --> 36:34.368 [SPEAKER_06]: And as the story goes ahead, I mean, you had started a record. 36:34.408 --> 36:36.690 [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know how far you got into it before I kind of sing. 36:37.550 --> 36:38.070 [SPEAKER_06]: That's not it. 36:38.271 --> 36:38.691 [SPEAKER_03]: We did 11 songs. 36:40.432 --> 36:41.073 [SPEAKER_03]: Wow. 36:41.173 --> 36:42.514 [SPEAKER_03]: So we tracked it. 36:42.554 --> 36:43.114 [SPEAKER_03]: We tracked it. 36:43.154 --> 36:46.137 [SPEAKER_03]: We kind of pre-mixed it like four times. 36:46.597 --> 36:59.428 [SPEAKER_03]: I wasn't just the election, but that was definitely like a final straw where I had sort of been feeling like, I mean for instance, Villain is from 2014, a number of the songs were sort of from around that time period written right after the foil deer record was done. 36:59.988 --> 37:08.636 [SPEAKER_03]: And while I like the songs, they just didn't have anything to do with not only like the national context, but like the things that I'm thinking about and worrying about in a daily basis. 37:09.268 --> 37:19.516 [SPEAKER_03]: It felt like, you know, for whatever reason putting out a timecastle to put out music from 2014 to 2015 when I just was concerned about different things and we didn't really want to do something like that. 37:20.317 --> 37:25.521 [SPEAKER_03]: So we went back into the studio in early 2017 and kind of re-did the record. 37:27.202 --> 37:29.363 [SPEAKER_06]: And that's amazing to have to be that far into it. 37:29.383 --> 37:32.565 [SPEAKER_06]: Like I didn't know you were that far into 11 songs tracked for mixed. 37:33.566 --> 37:36.568 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, we're using all the songs and the stats. 37:36.668 --> 37:38.649 [SPEAKER_03]: So a couple of them, there's like a deluxe. 37:38.829 --> 37:40.070 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, they're they're all good. 37:40.110 --> 37:42.811 [SPEAKER_03]: They just, you know, they weren't a record that said anything. 37:42.831 --> 37:50.376 [SPEAKER_03]: And I really like for a record to be at some cohesive thing that has a meaning and, you know, can exist in its own world and I just didn't think this record as it stood. 37:50.926 --> 37:51.866 [SPEAKER_03]: said much of anything. 37:52.106 --> 37:53.947 [SPEAKER_03]: So we're using songs for other things. 37:53.967 --> 37:54.927 [SPEAKER_03]: So there's like a bonus. 37:55.087 --> 37:58.228 [SPEAKER_03]: Seven inch that comes with the deluxe record and that has two thing also. 37:58.368 --> 38:03.150 [SPEAKER_03]: And for instance, like the Japanese CD will have some of the songs. 38:03.310 --> 38:05.731 [SPEAKER_03]: So Americans will never hear them. 38:06.011 --> 38:06.731 [SPEAKER_03]: But that's okay. 38:07.691 --> 38:08.892 [SPEAKER_03]: Of the Japanese fans too. 38:09.352 --> 38:10.512 [SPEAKER_03]: So they'll go to things like that. 38:10.692 --> 38:15.474 [SPEAKER_03]: Like a Sunday evening, 20 years, our part will do like a quadruple disc. 38:15.554 --> 38:15.714 [SPEAKER_03]: We're 38:16.254 --> 38:20.378 [SPEAKER_03]: and bring these sides, gets attached to the record like mad at the rest of the time. 38:20.398 --> 38:20.678 [SPEAKER_06]: Right. 38:20.958 --> 38:23.160 [SPEAKER_06]: Well, like I said, I do like how you're doing it though. 38:23.780 --> 38:27.964 [SPEAKER_06]: The style, like I say, you know, it's not like, like I said, I didn't hear like the one song. 38:28.024 --> 38:31.106 [SPEAKER_06]: It's like that, that's whole in office or anything like that. 38:31.807 --> 38:38.993 [SPEAKER_06]: And the timing, I mean, it really could be better because, I mean, the movements, they're not going away after a week, like I feel like they used to. 38:39.613 --> 39:05.769 [SPEAKER_06]: I was just randomly listening to, I think it was the uridmix, and they were doing sisters are doing it for themselves, as it was like her and Arita, and I thought, you know, here's something, here's something a song about the pay gap, and that was, you know, in the mid-80s, or early 80s, and then it just got washed away and everything, and that song maybe sort of became, you know, a little touchstone or an anthem here and there, but was never able to take root whereas I feel like I 39:06.129 --> 39:11.154 [SPEAKER_06]: songs like you're writing right now actually have a chance of being part of this bigger conversation. 39:11.334 --> 39:18.861 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I do think that I mean I wouldn't say that that's like specific to our band, but I mean certainly like a lot of the record is not so much. 39:19.403 --> 39:27.653 [SPEAKER_03]: anti-Trump, but it's said that sort of about the horror at this time, but also celebrating the people who are pushing back against the horrifying things. 39:28.314 --> 39:37.164 [SPEAKER_03]: I think a lot of the record I tried to write about maintaining optimism and most of the optimism that I feel is from seeing that there are actions and failure almost every day. 39:37.184 --> 39:39.166 [SPEAKER_03]: So like today there's one about 39:39.867 --> 39:47.611 [SPEAKER_03]: shutting down Starbucks like a few days ago there was one protesting the Philadelphia Orchestra because they're

performing in Israel. 39:47.831 --> 39:53.494 [SPEAKER_03]: So almost every day there's some kind of action and people are showing up like hundreds or thousands of people are showing up. 39:53.755 --> 40:04.220 [SPEAKER_03]: And so I think that like as you know there's plenty of protests there's also a lot to sort of affirm and see as like useful productive behavior and shaping a world that can exist the way we want it to. 40:04.280 --> 40:05.021 [SPEAKER_03]: So I think a lot of the 40:07.562 --> 40:10.583 [SPEAKER_03]: looking at, you know, who's doing right and trying to support that. 40:10.803 --> 40:11.163 [SPEAKER_06]: I love it. 40:11.484 --> 40:12.004 [SPEAKER_06]: I really do. 40:12.024 --> 40:19.807 [SPEAKER_06]: I love to take on it because I know you're a band that was sitting in the other day with a new video and the, you know, the fishhead monster thing. 40:20.187 --> 40:24.488 [SPEAKER_06]: And I think it's written somewhere like, you know, we're a band that's really into monsters. 40:24.688 --> 40:29.430 [SPEAKER_06]: And I thought whether sure seem to be a few extra scary ones out there right now if you're looking for them. 40:29.750 --> 40:30.310 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh god. 40:30.631 --> 40:33.672 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's made, it's made making the metaphors have just come 40:37.475 --> 40:37.875 [SPEAKER_03]: as any. 40:38.096 --> 40:53.126 [SPEAKER_03]: I will say I was um concerned about this interview this morning because it normally I'm up quite early but um I said my friend is visiting from out of town and we watched paranormal activity last night and I became so scared I'm so scared of it uh that I slept with the lights on. 40:54.136 --> 40:57.798 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I didn't go to sleep for very long because I was just afraid too. 40:57.818 --> 41:02.339 [SPEAKER_03]: I felt a little grug here this morning, then I It's normal with you that way. 41:02.359 --> 41:03.760 [SPEAKER_03]: Scary movies, yeah. 41:04.060 --> 41:08.542 [SPEAKER_03]: And I was thinking about it because I can do, I can do a hard comedy like nobody else, like I love scream. 41:09.038 --> 41:11.759 [SPEAKER_03]: My favorite movie, just watch Happy Death Day, it was great. 41:11.959 --> 41:16.201 [SPEAKER_03]: If it's like an already-year hard movie, like I saw Raw a few weeks ago, that was great. 41:16.461 --> 41:20.563 [SPEAKER_03]: But if it's just like a purely scary, I cannot function. 41:20.603 --> 41:29.227 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that's why we do the music videos, sort of as genre movies, because they're closer to horror comedy in the context of the music videos, anything actually scary. 41:29.407 --> 41:29.667 [SPEAKER_06]: Right. 41:29.967 --> 41:31.288 [SPEAKER_06]: There was another aspect of this. 41:31.968 --> 41:34.069 [SPEAKER_06]: You got a new guitarist for this record. 41:34.309 --> 41:37.151 [SPEAKER_06]: And I wanted to like, out that effect the writing for you, 41:38.612 --> 41:47.402 [SPEAKER_03]: I wouldn't say it affected the writing because I think most of it was written before he joined the band, yeah, but there he records on behalf of the record. 41:48.022 --> 41:56.167 [SPEAKER_03]: and everything that Andy wound up on I think is much better for it and the songs that he features on are my favorites of the record. 41:56.387 --> 42:09.735 [SPEAKER_03]: So really like I was talking to him about this other day because I think something that's challenging for other guitarists who play and this project with me and really like in the sadder team project too but that's a little easier because on the recordings it's just me. 42:10.315 --> 42:28.942 [SPEAKER_03]: But I'd overwrite everything like I always have five different intricate guitar parts sort of plan for any given song and it doesn't necessarily give someone a lot of room to write the sort of where Andy and he's drawn like these songs a lot of what he plays almost sounds like a sin because he's really He got right into the tone zone. 42:29.202 --> 42:33.864 [SPEAKER_03]: He just really came up with interesting tones that would not like so face, but it just 42:34.247 --> 42:51.219 [SPEAKER_03]: compliments so well all of the chaos that is going on and what i'm doing and then in the parts where i was kind of laying back he could really shine and do his own chaos so it's i think it's challenging to write around me because i write so much and um what Andy's doing really well is like he's got amazing tone, amazing texture and 42:51.826 --> 42:56.772 [SPEAKER_03]: Um, isn't afraid to just like do a simple quote-unquote simple rhythm that like makes the part. 42:57.013 --> 42:59.095 [SPEAKER_03]: He's got his own project laser background worker. 42:59.276 --> 43:01.038 [SPEAKER_03]: He's doing the same thing like overriding. 43:01.078 --> 43:01.879 [SPEAKER_03]: There's a million values. 43:02.039 --> 43:03.000 [SPEAKER_03]: He's going all the time. 43:03.261 --> 43:09.749 [SPEAKER_03]: So I think for him, it's like a fun exercise to figure out how to sit into whatever already exists in these songs. 43:10.224 --> 43:26.131 [SPEAKER_06]: you mentioned that you know it's sad 13 and and that's sort of being the point in between the two speedy records there most on this record like like lucky 88 when i thought you know that that seems like a direct line from something that could have happened also in sad 13 in a way 43:27.852 --> 43:55.963 [SPEAKER_03]: Which is natural when you've got the same songwriter you know that that's you're gonna have those moments or whatever But I you know now I wonder if there comes a time when it all sort of starts starts to be more of one thing You know if it has to be separated like that I think the big difference is just that there's like collaborators in this project specifically like Mike and Darrell to me Lucky 88 like the best parts of the song came from Mike and Darrell or drummer and bassist respectively Because I had kind of just come up with this little like thinking demo 43:56.363

--> 44:07.050 [SPEAKER_03]: And I was writing with a synth because I was on, I was with my mom for Christmas when I wrote that song, so I had just like an OP one that little pocket synth and that was all I had to write with. 44:07.611 --> 44:12.294 [SPEAKER_03]: So I actually like wrote almost no guitar for the song, what I made and sent in the demo. 44:12.838 --> 44:19.183 [SPEAKER_03]: There's like a couple guitars that I didn't like at home and actually I think any guitar I play on the song was just tracked like in my living room. 44:19.423 --> 44:27.609 [SPEAKER_03]: So I sent it to Darrell and Mike and they kind of mic sent me back like I keep telling the story but I think it's so funny because he sent me back like five different wave files. 44:27.670 --> 44:31.973 [SPEAKER_03]: He went to his practice space and I thought he was going to send me back a drum part idea. 44:32.470 --> 44:43.896 [SPEAKER_03]: And he sent me things that were like drum idea one drum idea to up to five drum parts and I was like, oh, I like, you know, two and four, like, what are you leaning towards and he was like, no, we're going to layer all of them at one. 44:44.596 --> 44:45.897 [SPEAKER_03]: So I thought that was so cool. 44:45.957 --> 44:46.537 [SPEAKER_03]: He hasn't really. 44:46.962 --> 44:56.785 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, he's double track sections before, but it's never been like, you know, this many interlocking drum hurts, and I love that idea of how that song builds, and that was really truly like Mike's thing. 44:57.105 --> 45:07.489 [SPEAKER_03]: You can hear even on the song like there's a little drum machine part that opens up the song, and that was like my drum idea that I sent him for the whole song, and he just, like, rightfully dismissed, so that I had him. 45:07.909 --> 45:10.650 [SPEAKER_03]: came up with this awesome thing and I love what he did. 45:10.910 --> 45:17.131 [SPEAKER_03]: And Darrell, same kind of thing, like, I had sent him just my, you know, playing bass on a synth, like, really simple root note stuff. 45:17.191 --> 45:19.011 [SPEAKER_03]: And I wasn't happy with that at all. 45:19.051 --> 45:27.233 [SPEAKER_03]: And he kind of, Darrell is really great for, you know, similar to what I said about Andy, like, sometimes they're so much chaos going on, and sometimes Darrell contributing to that. 45:27.253 --> 45:32.814 [SPEAKER_03]: And sometimes he knows to just do the, like, kind of deal thing, like, you know, ace note bass part doing the root note. 45:33.324 --> 45:34.186 [SPEAKER_03]: can deal in the pixies. 45:34.226 --> 45:45.365 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, which I think she she gave interviews about like not over complicating the base and in this one don't fit over complicates the base, but in a way that's so perfect like I love what he did on the chorus. 45:45.617 --> 46:02.210 [SPEAKER_03]: So, like it could never have been a sad routine song because the whole point of that project is not so much that it's sensor drum machines or pop, but that it's just like me working it out at home and not, you know, not not having collaborators, whereas I'm so thankful to work with these guys and the stand and I don't know the song would be such a different thing if they hadn't added what they do. 46:02.370 --> 46:08.334 [SPEAKER_06]: Well, there's a reviewer that I'll have to agree with, it said, you know, first listen that song and it's instantly one of the best rock songs of 2018. 46:09.315 --> 46:12.621 [SPEAKER_03]: But wow, it's really bad, I, what is it, many of them? 46:12.641 --> 46:14.263 [SPEAKER_06]: I'll, I'll co-side you. 46:14.384 --> 46:15.505 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I'll co-side. 46:15.566 --> 46:17.929 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I'm gonna, now I'm gonna have a screen of my stuff all day. 46:18.660 --> 46:18.920 [SPEAKER_06]: It is. 46:19.040 --> 46:21.381 [SPEAKER_06]: It's such a catchy song and a really fun one. 46:21.701 --> 46:22.181 [SPEAKER_06]: It's funny though. 46:22.201 --> 46:34.445 [SPEAKER_06]: The first time I heard it I think I just had the earbuds in or whatever and I thought you were saying rocket 88 I didn't look down at the title and rocket you'd be like the very first rock song or you know technically speaking or whatever And I thought oh that's interesting. 46:34.545 --> 46:36.205 [SPEAKER_06]: It's interesting and you know like that. 46:36.345 --> 46:42.847 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah Still so these are things where like why I changed the lyrics which is always a fun time 46:43.197 --> 46:58.630 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, when you listen to something, I don't know if you have this experience, like, sometimes when I've made my own, when I'm listening to my own song, listening back to it, I can kind of hear, like, the mind of greens that other people will hear, where I'm like, because I didn't even initiate it in the way that maybe translates well. 46:58.930 --> 47:02.153 [SPEAKER_03]: And so when I listen to that song, I'm like, are people going to think it's lucky idiot? 47:04.675 --> 47:06.237 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it hit on like what? 47:06.377 --> 47:14.484 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, there've been some really great moments of, of miss her lyrics that have, you know, lasted time, so that's, it's not the worst thing in the world, I guess. 47:14.824 --> 47:18.627 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, if we wind up on, on, on the right side of him on the green, I'm not going to mind. 47:21.155 --> 47:26.242 [SPEAKER_06]: I really love the record, I'm so happy that you're still knocking these out of the park the way. 47:26.302 --> 47:34.412 [SPEAKER_06]: I always say when you become a fan of the band, you get really nervous sometimes when the new records come on, it's like, oh God, I hope I, I hope I love this one as much as the other one. 47:34.533 --> 47:35.554 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, they would be terrible now. 47:36.695 --> 47:39.516 [SPEAKER_06]: And luckily, I love this one just as much as the last one. 47:39.556 --> 47:41.997 [SPEAKER_06]: So it's always the big win right there. 47:42.097 -->

47:47.258 [SPEAKER_03]: I think for us, it sounds like a much bigger departure from the first record than the second one does. 47:47.338 --> 47:54.400 [SPEAKER_03]: Like the second record, we had a lot more time to flesh out, but it still kind of centers that like over-driven guitar stuff, which I still love. 47:54.940 --> 47:57.441 [SPEAKER_03]: And this record does in a way too, but I don't know. 47:57.501 --> 47:59.741 [SPEAKER_03]: We really played a lot more with texture and space. 47:59.882 --> 48:03.963 [SPEAKER_03]: And it's to me it seems quite different from the previous two. 48:04.003 --> 48:04.983 [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm psyched on that. 48:05.303 --> 48:06.004 [SPEAKER_06]: I would agree on it. 48:06.444 --> 48:06.884 [SPEAKER_06]: Well, that's it. 48:07.185 --> 48:08.306 [SPEAKER_06]: So thank you so much. 48:08.386 --> 48:08.746 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, wow. 48:09.026 --> 48:09.907 [SPEAKER_06]: It was fun talking. 48:10.267 --> 48:10.928 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 48:10.948 --> 48:11.428 [SPEAKER_03]: You as well. 48:11.708 --> 48:11.928 [SPEAKER_06]: All right. 48:11.948 --> 48:13.009 [SPEAKER_06]: Well, congratulations. 48:13.109 --> 48:14.250 [SPEAKER_06]: April 27th, torbverse. 48:14.270 --> 48:15.371 [SPEAKER_06]: We'll be looking forward to that. 48:15.391 --> 48:16.612 [SPEAKER_06]: I'll talk to you soon. 48:16.672 --> 48:17.293 [SPEAKER_06]: All right. 48:17.333 --> 48:18.053 [SPEAKER_06]: There we go. 48:18.154 --> 48:19.314 [SPEAKER_06]: Special rewind episode. 48:19.375 --> 48:21.036 [SPEAKER_06]: Thanks to City Depuis. 48:21.136 --> 48:22.917 [SPEAKER_06]: Thanks to Kevin Drew. 48:23.418 --> 48:25.179 [SPEAKER_06]: Thanks to you for checking out the episode. 48:25.219 --> 48:30.123 [SPEAKER_06]: Hit that subscribe button before you get out of here so you can keep up with all the interviews that I put out every single week. 48:30.644 --> 48:31.825 [SPEAKER_06]: Especially the new ones as well. 48:32.725 --> 48:40.571 [SPEAKER_06]: You can grab us at Spotify, Apple Podcast, NPR, WFPK.org, consequence, YouTube for the video versions anywhere. 48:40.671 --> 48:41.691 [SPEAKER_06]: You get your podcasts from. 48:41.731 --> 48:47.495 [SPEAKER_06]: You can subscribe to Kyle, Meredith With, and please do give this series a rating and leave a review while you're at it. 48:47.816 --> 48:50.557 [SPEAKER_06]: After that, you're going to head over to WFPK.org. 48:51.678 --> 49:20.080 [SPEAKER_06]: where I do a show Monday through Friday starting 6pm eastern it's 4 hours of classics from the 80s and 90s you get the best in new music there bonus interviews lots of music news as well uh... in fact uh... one of my recent shows featured some classics in favourites from tom weights husker do sound garden gregg freeman block Tory aimus nine inch nails as mesh of pumpkins prints uh... jensen mick ray balance of bastion lyssie and then you'll rate lift the Kaiser chiefs lucid dacus rodney crown 49:20.680 --> 49:25.545 [SPEAKER_06]: and my interviews with Devo SlowDive and Actor Charles Dance. 49:26.186 --> 49:30.550 [SPEAKER_06]: That's weeknights starting 6pm Eastern at WFPK.org. 49:31.071 --> 49:32.833 [SPEAKER_06]: Consequence says your music and film news. 49:33.093 --> 49:35.335 [SPEAKER_06]: You can also find me on any of the social media sites. 49:35.375 --> 49:36.997 [SPEAKER_06]: The address is always at Kyle Meredith. 49:37.057 --> 49:38.299 [SPEAKER_06]: I do hope you like and follow along. 49:38.939 --> 49:40.421 [SPEAKER_06]: And that does it for another edition. 49:40.741 --> 49:41.522 [SPEAKER_06]: I'm Kyle Meredith. 49:41.782 --> 49:42.483 [SPEAKER_06]: I'll see you next time. 49:55.988 --> 49:57.531 [SPEAKER_05]: Consequence podcast network. 49:57.792 --> 50:01.219 [SPEAKER_00]: It's easy to hear your favorite artist on WFPK from wherever you are. 50:01.600 --> 50:07.472 [SPEAKER_00]: Listen on your smart speaker, live stream from our website at WFPK.org from Louisville Public Media.