That “cocktail of medications” used for treating behavioral disorders have their side effects as anyone who knows of someone using them would know...some with horrible side effects. Dr. Christopher Palmer, Psychiatrist at Harvard, has been using the Ketogenic Diet as a way to avoid all of that. His story is absolutely jaw-dropping. In this interview he will talk how a “metabolic” intervention might well be a miraculous alternative for people who have been living a lonely life numbed by layers of medications due to having a ‘behavioral disorder’. Completely fascinating.



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00:00:00This is dr. Carl gold Camp. If you're interested in learning about the ketogenic diet, like I was to save my own life and this is probably the podcast for you years ago. I knew nothing about it 6 years ago. I save my life three years ago. I started researching a talking with some of the authorities in the field and attending medical conferences about this doctor said why and how keto so dramatically change my lights to Dee's lives. The person is podcast is to share. Our journey of Discovery is with you and understanding how keto is so effective improving so many different conditions for obesity diabetes infertility Ms. Alzheimer's heart disease and name a few.
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00:01:17How does a doctor gold camp and welcome back to another episode of the kidnapped bad? I wanted to provide yet another rejoinder and talking with the doctor Christopher Plummer.
00:01:26Psychiatrist from Harvard and the interviews. So dense with material and so enjoyable to listen to it. I hope you have the Curiosity that I have because we go into detail and related areas. We stay on track about ketogenic diet being applied to various behavioral disorders and why that might be something rather Sensational in my view of this book my personal experience in working with patients that is articulated is dr. Palmer has been in is currently is that actually think this is the big
00:02:05application the main application of the ketogenic diet so I do keto and assertive in
00:02:14devalued by a lot of
00:02:17stupid comments and keto products that are out there making a quick buck and saying things that are true, but when you work with people bringing in the ketogenic diet transition your life to Vanessa's a different lifestyle. That's why we call it a ketogenic lifestyle.
00:02:34The reason they stay on this is they like the the weight loss and these other things they feel good. They feel better. They feel good to have more energy. They like themselves. They were going to go into the Viking themselves a little more in this particular section, but it's them liking themselves. It's the slightly increased Gaba and related neurotransmitters that are are
00:03:01Inhibitory vs. Excitatory and it doesn't mean it's inhibits you that means it slows you down at that moment of reflection the moment of perhaps introspection, but you like yourself more there's not a person who I didn't meet no work with ketogenic diet after a week or two. I'm a different person. I think this is the person that's been inside me that I have this, you know that voice in the back of my head. My head is no longer in the back of my head. It's in the front of my head. It's me real joy to hear that and to see that expressed this is so it's a transformation. So in that I wanted to go over to some of the points that we will cover in this next coming south 45 minutes and talking with dr. Palmer. They're all very deep and wonderful. And so
00:03:55Ever talk about his background, you know, that's what he ate before. He wasn't Aikido guy in his childhood that it should be so candid about that. But he learned he learn from you grew up pretty much the same generation as myself there is cereals they were, you know, mac and cheese and you add sugar to your cereal and amazing part of sugar on your grapefruit. So that was the freakiest come from you transitioned into Adkins Ashley got out of med school for his various reasons in story is interesting.
00:04:29And to some of his examples what was were talking about getting energy from a ketogenic diet. How is that you have to say that people feel more energetic they feel they can do more things on the ketogenic diet. So he had an example it says there is a patient for 2 years you saying though, you may want to drop your cards in sorry to take so two years. He's been saying that so finally she started doing that and he didn't know when she started doing it when she came in for her appointment. She said yes, I went to the gym and I forgot about the parts. He'd been advising her to go to the gym for the last two years since I went to the gym. Why was it you went to the gym she felt she had more energy than a giant so it took two years for that to happen.
00:05:19And so it does take time take time for one to think maybe they can do it. Sometimes I think it's complicated.
00:05:32You know, what is the biggest Connection in the heart of the conversation certainly in this part of it is a connection with behavioral disorders and diabetes in a behavioral disorders and epilepsy medications used in both categories. Why are seizures reduce? They said I had episodes of psychiatric disorders behavioral disorders such as schizophrenia bipolar.
00:06:05And others that it's pretty much the same degree of mechanism and it's the bringing down making you less.
00:06:18Hyperactive making reflect more in your actions making you have a greater degree of contentment. And so it happens with these patients bring down the level of frenetic activity that hyperactivity I'm using that word very generally that would happens people kind of tend to change their disorders kind of belt.
00:06:41So if that happens on a ketogenic diet, but here's the reframe. I'm going to ask you to think about if that happens on a ketogenic diet. What is the unusual diet? Is it the ketogenic diet?
00:06:52Where is it you Steed? Why was it normal to eat artificial cereals and tons of sugar and all these processed foods. How is that? That's the norm for the culture the clearly it's not the norm for life in general as we knew it on this planet Earth II the last million men plus years. So we're now asking ourselves. What is the normal and what we collectively people who are aware the ketogenic diet. Its various applications were up against the commercial forces that come from in a vested interest in that other cultural norm. And now it's saying no you're the weird thing is the ketogenic diet is a funding if you can get behind supporting something you perhaps have noticed that and some of my podcast some people just didn't get into that area because their area of funding
00:07:51Not in that area. Where do they do a truth or not? Then we're going to go there.
00:07:57Search history. Ality. Where at?
00:08:002 with diabetes which is obviously rather than our patients in our population in the United States now North America now.
00:08:10skitzofrenix in general
00:08:14skitzofrenix in general has three times higher rate of diabetes is that I'm just looking for connections and correlations because it is not one of the pioneers and maybe there's one or two others that you would get into in the course the podcast is that he's trying to look for metabolic interventions. What can he do to change that that is not drug base. That is not surgery based thinking like a naturopath if you ask me. I said that's what we're looking for. So when you see these correlations between epilepsy and diabetes and epilepsy and behavioral disorders, you know, then you go.
00:08:53What helps with epilepsy can help with these other things as well and you're right on we might not have the definitive answer why we have certain Clues, you know, why certain neurotransmitters change and why they're produced and inflammation goes down and someone it's a repetitive sort of Discovery, but this is in a different area.
00:09:12When I have some people that are listening to this thinking about their husbands and wives and children that could very much use as I said, they don't have somebody down the street or a doctor that take consult to say how you know, I put my my wife is on a different psychiatric medications and she's going crazy. What can I do? Well, you're not going to have a doctor Paula right down the road is contact have your doctor assuming you have a good doctor have your doctor contact? Dr. Palmer show notes. And so that's what you can do. Please contact this guy. He's a psychiatrist at Harvard lives up in Massachusetts. And in fact, you can even go on YouTube and find some of this past talk so your doctor won't feel you put them against the wall and if he's at all compassion about your situation in the very least he will look at that.
00:10:09Okay, so that's your go-to activity that you can apply. So you have to participate in this this is not just we're now at the edge right now at Discovery and I were trying to support people who are really bringing something remarkable to a much larger area of people that have previously been ignored.
00:10:31We talked about the idea of a residential treatment program ketogenic base and what you do, you know, the nutritional transform people's behavioral disorders in to where they can find Value and they can find meeting in their life as a sensational thought and it's very similar to if you remember, dr. Westman thinking things like that as well. I'm going over my notes because so much is covered.
00:11:02Basically on that doctor mama says, you know, the masses have to speak up the masses being me the masses being you have to call our doctor and saying contact this guy. He knows what he's doing it. Maybe he can point you in the right direction to help me, okay?
00:11:18We go back to the history of low-carb ketogenic diet and low carb actually goes back certainly to the early 1800s in the United States 1820 500 user. I've started with Dr. Russell Dr. To Mayo Clinic specifically for epilepsy, but they both came out of a kind of restriction can't work fasting and what happens in both of states in about those states to improve psychiatric disorders.
00:11:53We know that God by which is an inhibitory neurotransmitters increases as the, that's that that's an Essence the hardwood have benzodiazepine. Does it tries to hit your Gaba receptors and makes you slow down. That's why benzodiazepines are they are tranquilizers a little bit higher volume than what we were talking about in a ketogenic diet opposite of glutamate excitation. So their opposites a seesaw opposites. Now, here's something interesting. What you'll find is that there's a lot of other call.
00:12:33excitotoxicity or liturgical
00:12:40excitation neurologically and that's in a lot of kids with ADHD. It's in stroke patients at the time of the stroke and subsequent for a while and that it is in a lot of preservatives. You have monosodium glutamate excitatory toxins that are Gaba taste and I'm out looking for them. By the way, I can get away from all processed foods, but the point was here. It's in a lot of the foods we have. Why would it be unusual?
00:13:18To find a lot of people that are so revved up on the food. They're eating or not. Just talkin coffee here take out the caffeine variable were talking about sugar. We're talking about candy preservatives that are added to that directly affect.
00:13:34I want to impart just a little a little story here on my part is it might be about 5 or 6 years ago in my practice? There was an elderly couple that came in with their adult son who had been dismissed from work due to being schizophrenic. And so she passing well, maybe you can do something that hasn't been done before so I go to the whole history of to get all all is processed foods just focused on that. Well apparently in 4 weeks all his symptoms disappeared back to work who is gainfully employed. Do you want to lose weight loss which is lost a good ten or fifteen pounds. So he bought some particular weight loss product is Jenny Craig.
00:14:35And these are full of the the preservatives in a racing again. So crazy that he went driving courses in southern Connecticut an hour with the police chasing him to get into the hospital emergency room, which was closed in the middle of the night that he was banging on the door of the emergency room with a gun cuz he needed to get in so he knew he was getting crazy, but he didn't know what to do about it and that had to do with the food. So I'm hoping you see the whole spectrum of what we're talking about here and its application. It's not just medications and drugs they're part of it, but it really is something metabolic something you could do that would change your metabolism. That would change your behavior.
00:15:22And I'll leave it at that. There's so many other things. We went into. It's a total joy to talk to dr. Palmer, and if you're thinking about something and somebody in your family that you need to have driven in the very least. You can have your doctor call and you'll see the link on the show notes for dr. Palmer and talk with Doctor power down the road after you all Injustice. Hope you enjoyed it as much as I enjoy doing it. I'll talk to you next time.
00:15:52Absolutely secrets. You must have a a like spirited doc out there weather is in the West Coast or another country. It has the same spark of realization that you do. I mean, I can't imagine you're working in a closet with your own successes is the only state yet. I have no doubt but in that, you know getting that the nucleus of those people together saying, you know, how can we push this idea down the road? Is there one or two other people that are least you have a conference call once a year to say, you know, what are we going to do to make this happen to her, you know is this is a conversation that gets to be talked about outside of this conversation.
00:16:41It is fortunately for me. So there is a group of researchers led by Professor Zoltan cernaia. He's in Australia. They've been doing Mouse studies demonstrating that the ketogenic diet can normalize behaviors and even cognition in a mouse model of schizophrenia. There is a young researcher at Oxford University and he and I have done some work Xavier Gilbert. He and I have done some work. He's from Ecuador and we actually treated to schizophrenic patients in Ecuador impoverish a very different culture with a very different diet that really looks the rice and plantains as kind of a staple.
00:17:41Every meal and we got them to do the diet and found Improvement and them and there are some other researchers that in clinicians that I'm collaborating with interesting.
00:17:57kind of frustrating kind of sad thing for me is that
00:18:04those people and the others that I'm collaborating with are not mental health clinicians. And so right now I have I've correspondent with at least a dozen psychiatrists who are interested / supportive low-carb ketogenic diet because they do it themselves. But when I ask them how many patients have you actually done this diet with the answer so far today has been zero.
00:18:37Oh my gosh, and there is one clinician that I know of.
00:18:45Dr. Childers out in the west who is using different dietary approaches including like a low carb or ketogenic approach, but I believe she is only working with people who have anxiety or ADHD or maybe mild depression. Not most of the people are unwilling to work with people with bipolar disorder or schizophrenia or even severe chronic disabling depression. Most of the people are just unwilling to work with them in part because those disorders are serious disorders. They really are the intervention in the treatment for them is not just teach them how to do keto and everything is going to go fine. It it did they have psychosis. They have suicidal. I thought some of the even have homicidal thoughts. Sometimes they can go
00:19:45Aggressive and agitated and all of that needs to be managed and in the context of implementing a treatment but unfortunately doesn't work overnight, but neither does any pill neither. Does he even ECT? So so we're talking about a treatment that can take weeks or even a couple of months to work and you have to get the person to do the treatment. You have to get them through any side effects or keto adaptation or other problems that can and Sue and you have to keep them safe through the process because of their ongoing symptoms and it's it's sad because I I saw in that way I feel alone and it's a little sad because I'm actually turning patients away every single week.
00:20:40Heartbreaking stories of people who have read about the work. I'm doing who have been told there's nothing more that can be done that you know, your loved one has schizophrenia your loved one has schizoaffective disorder. You loved one has disabling crippling bipolar disorder. There's nothing more we can do for you sucks to be you just lower your expectations just just understand that they've got a chronic disorder. They will never work. They'll probably never get married will probably never have a family will never be able to live independently just wrap your brain around that and accept it because that's where we're at. And there's no question that is where the field is currently at where the field has been for a very long time and I very much desperately want to change that.
00:21:40Residency, I don't know what it takes to get a residency going. But that would be one small way of person use the word scale that at least for your hands, you know and then getting saying this is what we need to do what you need to do and you know bringing people to want to learn but they'll do the scut work for lack of a better word. So you can get for the development of something else that it has to start someplace. So we'll start with your closet. I think that sounds good. And you know, one of the reasons I'm publishing and the literature one of the reasons I'm blogging for psychology today. Now one of the reasons I'm out speaking at conferences and I'm speaking with you today is I am very much trying to spread the word and I'm trying to motivate motivate a lot of different people. I certainly want to motivate other mental health clinicians who already know about these disorders who already have a skill set.
00:22:40They know how to manage medications they know how to manage suicidality. They know how to Matt de nada talk to people who are psychotic. I want some of them to step up and learn about the ketogenic diet and how to implement it and how to implement it safely to be able to use it with patients. But I also and I do want to speak to patients and family members because sometimes movements happen from the masses from the ground up the masses have to speak up they have to go to their local hospital. They have to go to their local psychiatrist and say we want you to learn this treatment call. Dr. Palmer like learn about it and and there are ketogenic training programs. The epilepsy field already has plenty of them Eric Westman certainly has programs to the Hill Clinic there a lot of programs where clinicians can learn about this diet the risks and the
00:23:40It's and the monitoring that should probably happen. And so this is doable but it's going to take a movement. It's going to take a movement and I'm hoping to start a movement. I think yours any movement and I've seen a ripple and that's why I live in touch with you. I wanted to ask to kind of more technical questions one was in case we get into looking at neurotransmitters that Spencer to the conversation previously in psychiatric disorder. What do you think of things like the Gaba going up with keto and its relative influence on an indoor? It is any of that sort of interest you and you know, that's interesting but it's all sequelae. You know, it all happens if you get the right ducks in a row, and it's not something that
00:24:40Here, we're really we don't have to know about that first. But what are your thoughts about the whole neurotransmitter level?
00:24:47No, it's a great question. And I am very very much interested in it because in my mind, you know medicine.
00:24:56The field of medicine changes in a couple of different ways. What what is empirical observation that something works and if it works then sometimes you can convince people to try it, but but nowadays I think that that's less compelling to most
00:25:16Medical practitioners and certainly too mainstream medical establishment and most medical practitioners in mainstream medic medicine one a mechanism of action. They require a mechanism of action in order to give anything serious thoughts and so I have been diving deep into all of the known mechanisms of action of the ketogenic diet and it's really interesting because the one of the things that most people don't know that they hear the word keto or ketogenic diet and they think it's the latest bad diet and in some ways
00:25:57It's certainly kind of the way. It's being disseminated at least by some people. It kind of it. It does have that flavor of being the latest trendy weight loss craze interesting because he Acton's diet wasn't back to ketogenic and and Dr. Abkin talked about, you know, that start with pretty much as much protein as you want and restrict your carbohydrates in your good but if you're not in ketosis, if those urine ketone strips are not positive go all the way to a fat fast, we're all you do is eat at and nothing more. So ask instead that and it's interesting for the ketogenic diet epilepsy goes back to 1921 low-carb diets for weight loss go all the way back to the 1825 as far as we can tell and so on so low.
00:26:57Diet has been around for a very long time and are not a fad and one of the interesting things about the mechanism of action is because the ketogenic diet has been around for a hundred years. I can sometimes work for epilepsy when all else has failed. We actually know more about the effects of this diet on the brain than any other dietary intervention hands down no contest unequivocally true. And why is that because neurologist have been studying this diet for decades already even before the health craze with the weight loss and using the word keto for weight loss instead of using the app commands are low carb nomenclature.
00:27:49Neurologist have been studying this since the 1970s in kind of Full Force basic biological researchers brain researchers neuroimaging studies. The whole works Pete neurologist have been trying to figure out what the hell is this diet doing that are beautiful Depakote is doing what is this diet doing this brain surgery couldn't even do it in and they've been looking for the mechanism of action.
00:28:23Almost certainly in the hopes that they could develop a new drug that might be effective. And that's fine. I don't like taking a pill is so much easier than doing a diet. I'm never I'm never going to argue that point it is true. And if somebody has one pill that can do everything that the ketogenic diet does I would probably be the first to sign up for the cocktail. Unfortunately. I don't think that probably is ever going to happen because the ketogenic diet is doing a tremendous number of things to our physiology. It just is wait we know that and there are at least probably 20 different mechanisms of action that have been elucidated already that would suggest why the ketogenic diet can stop seizures but
00:29:19Interesting ly and not surprisingly at least not surprising to me. There is tremendous overlap between what it's doing to stop seizures and what it might do to help people with psychiatric symptoms. So you've mentioned increasing Gaba so-so Gabba is the kind of primary inhibitory neurotransmitter in the brain and and why is that useful to epilepsy it useful to epilepsy because epilepsy is thought to include involve hyperexcitable cells or astrocytes are other cells in your brain become hyperexcitable meaning they're kind of like a frayed wire. Like if you imagine the electrical wire the sound a little spray that might spark a little and kind of spread to the neighboring cell and Gaba can slow that processor. Stop that.
00:30:19Casa reduce hyperexcitability and
00:30:24So interesting, ly we have a lot of medications that increase Gaba activity all of the benzodiazepines that we have increase Gaba activity all of the Sleep medications pretty much across-the-board. I'm other than maybe antihistamines and and and maybe a small handful of other things like trazodone but almost all of the sleeping medications things like Ambien and the others in those classes, they all affect the Gaba system and they all enhance Gaba activity. It's so we know that increasing Gaba activity has a lot of clinical benefits. It makes people sleep in wet when maybe when we want them to sleep, but if you get lower doses, it can take the edge off it can just make people feel more relaxed less anxious less overwhelmed if they're seizing it might stop their seizure.
00:31:24Increasing Gaba does a lot of really useful things that we know that this diet does that we know that this diet also increases activity of adenosine adenosine is a has a similar action on the brain it is what helps us sleep coffee blocks adenosine receptors and it's a copy by blocking that receptor helps people feel awake and alert, but adenosine is actually critically important in terms of slowing us down at night allowing us to sleep at night and then glutamate is the primary excitatory neurotransmitter. We know that in cases of stroke that there's a thing called glutamate excitotoxicity so we know that too much glutamate can be toxic to the brain and we know that too much glutamate Act.
00:32:24Play is associated with not only seizures. But all the whole horse host of other disorders, including things like schizophrenia and bipolar disorder surprisingly, and we know that the ketogenic diet decreases glutamatergic activity. Now, obviously, we would never want to stop glutamatergic activity because our brains would be dead. So but it's about getting the right balance the people talk about a chemical imbalance is the cause of psychiatric disorders. And even if that's true, we need to come up with ways to get a better balance and there's a lot of evidence that the ketogenic diet maybe increases some of the inhibitory signals and maybe decreases some of the excitatory signals in ways that are clinically beneficial to people with certain disorders.
00:33:19We also know that the ketogenic diet helps repair mitochondria and helps it increases production of new mitochondria. We know that the ketogenic diet Ketone bodies themselves seem to be having an anticonvulsant effect. We know that the ketogenic diet ends up having a lot of anti-aging effects on the brain and the body Ketone bodies are known to stimulate these jeans called jeans and I'm certain genes are known to be the primary mechanism of action of the anti aging affect scene with calorie restriction. So with animals if you calorie restrict them all the way from single-celled yeast all the way up to primates. We can't say definitively with humans because we can't lock
00:34:19Human beings up in a chamber for 10 years and calorie restrict them and see if they age so we can't do it yet and probably never will be able to do at least not for a long time. But but we can say that it works for pretty much every other organism on the planet and the ketogenic diet ends up stimulating some of those same Pathways that resulted in anti-aging a fact and this anti-aging a fact, you know, not aging sounds great and good but the much more important thing about all of the anti-aging research that's going on is that it's really about improving and maintaining Health while you age although it does extend the life span.
00:35:14And some people are interested in that. I think the overwhelming majority of people are actually much more interested in extending that there's this new term now called the hell. Yeah, absolutely and people are much more interested in extending and prolonging the healthspan and there's reason to think that
00:35:39the low carb are ketogenic diets. I can't even say low carb. I have to say ketogenic and not in that case because Ketone bodies themselves have been found to activate some of the sir to in jeans and until it does seem to be something about a ketogenic diet back when I got started anyone in it for my own reason and felt a lot of improvement. I had to go back to sort of just drill down to find out why would some of this work. So I went back to the history of the ketogenic diet and so back when you look at Russell Wilder in 21 who coined the term in pain. Demon is the one who did all the work out of the way. I read that but you look at where were they in time? You know, they were they were just came through of I'll call it a sad from. 1992 about Ansari 1890 to 1915 which fasting was
00:36:39Beer aged in passing was D treatment for so many different things or is he going to die in New England in MD if nmds are called Indies then. Dr. Alan and he did a fasting diet for type 1 Atlantic City calorie-restricted, you know, so they didn't die in a year. They died in five years from now the tritian but it was effective until until I was seeing someone came in but my understanding is that Crystal Wilder said, you know if we could find something like fasting I don't know if he had much to do, you know, that would yacht was his mentor and end it but it it generated name is a fascinating guy. But there was a eulogy his eulogy that was nothing was mentioned about him being the corner if that's what you know about coiner or they the inventor of the ketogenic diet was about all this other stuff. So it's just an interesting sort of
00:37:39Like wish that they had that time something like fasting that just doesn't end in debt diet. Well, it's from the same sort of thinking in a way that it is now. It's it absolutely is and interesting Lee they are all metabolic intervention. They're all away to significantly change metabolism. And you're right in terms of the history of the ketogenic diet, you know, so
00:38:15Fasting being used as a treatment is pretty much been used in every culture and every religion that planet earth has known at some point or another fasting has played a role and Unifour for so long and still to this day. I think the majority of Western Society thinks that that's barbaric. They think that it's you know, that it's like this old wives tale or this kooky religious folklore all those religious quacks and those medicine men and women. They didn't know anything else so they just fasted and then while they were at it, they threw some leeches on the person. I think that's the way most people still think of fasting is that it's this barbaric
00:39:16Like stupid kind of way to go about treating any illness anything that ails you and you know, even Hippocrates wrote about using fasting to treat epilepsy and for anybody who's into religion and Christianity in particular even Jesus himself was quoted in the Bible as I'm using fasting with an epileptic boy because the boys seizures weren't stopping with prayer alone. And he reportedly said all with this kind of a case you have to add fasting to it in order to get the boy to stop seizing in his 40 days in the desert. You know, we're not leaving up with John the Baptist is like so he did he do that. Did he fast for mental clarity?
00:40:16Right now I need to go and think about this and I'll stop beating by the way. I had not even thought of that but that's an interesting. That's an interesting things to recharge. I got to get clarity it is but I think you know, I think the epilepsy world at least caught on in the time that you described in the late 1800s and the early 1900s epilepsy world put it to the test and really put it to some rigorous tests and they found it actually works for a real brain disorder and you know they have again I've been using it for a hundred years. They've research the hell out of it. We know a lot about what it is doing and we understand why those things might in fact
00:41:08Result in seizures stopping we can't say 100% like is which one of those 20 mechanisms of action is the key one. Maybe it's all of them. Maybe all 20 are needed or maybe maybe one mechanism of action is more critically important for one patient and a different mechanism of action is more effective for another page. But who cares so you're using abroad kind of treatment with a lot of effects and I kind of feel like they're the rest of the medical field needs to catch up with Neurology on this one has at least some of the neurologist have known this is interesting cuz the ketogenic diet even in neurology field. I should point out even in a lot of centers for epilepsy. It's not used and the Ender neurologist who are still skeptical of it and I think a lot
00:42:08Are skeptical of it because it doesn't work immediately. They see these kids get admitted to the hospital. They get fasted for 24 hours. They start the ketogenic diet 3 days later, they get discharged and their seizures haven't changed one bit. And so I've spoken with some neurology residents at some pretty prominent teaching hospitals here in Boston who told me as much who said all that ketogenic diet. It doesn't even work and and I thought about that and reflected on that. Why would they say that because there's so much evidence and it does work but what they see is a resident is they see a kid starting the ketogenic diet for 3 or 4 days and then getting discharged and their seizures haven't changed one bit because like psychiatric disorders the ketogenic diet takes weeks and sometimes months to actually work.
00:43:08That all of those are facts, you know, you don't get an anti aging affect overnight. It's not like all your wrinkles go away. It's not like all of your not like all of your cells repair themselves out with all the old Belden in with the new cells overnight because all I've been in ketosis for 24 hours and and so we know a lot of the mechanisms of action and we know that a lot of those mechanisms probably do take time to play themselves out in the human body and that and that you have to give the intervention an adequate amount of time to actually have a chance to work. Absolutely. Absolutely you have patients come in. Do you say I require in terms of labs a certain panel? Do you have a favorite panel? Do you have a favorite sort of thing? You know, I got to see this because this is going to change as well.
00:44:08You go, you know that's not my department. I don't want to do that. I want to look at the symptom ology and work with the patients and somebody else can do the blood work and send me the results. Where are you on that?
00:44:19So it depends on the patient and it depends on the clinical situation certainly if I'm using the ketogenic diet. I'm doing all the lab monitoring myself. So, you know, I start with a lipid profile it because that's that's the one area. Where is a practitioner. I'm worried about getting sued for I'm worried about the some Board of Medicine coming after me because I didn't chase their LDL levels. And so I I make sure that I checked your LDL level for a lot of psychiatric patients there. A lot of vitamin deficiencies are hormone deficiencies all the way from thyroid hormone to the estrogen progesterone to testosterone cortisol. We know that cortisol is dysregulated and most people with psychiatric disorders, especially chronic disorders what we can do about it is less clear, but so I attend
00:45:19Not to check cortisol levels those other ones I definitely check because there's something we can do about those in terms of replacement. So a lot of vitamin levels and he's also so hard to Joshua rassman it to ring a bell. I don't know him know. He has schizophrenia 2014 Harvard Medical School teamed up with somebody from what was the hospital? I don't know who is Mass general or woman's Brigham and Women's Hospital nutrient deficiencies. Really an FYI. I think that's secondary to live or not to Google. I bet if it's linked into glucagon. Let me know.
00:46:19Is it you could be a handle of something we could treat some thinking of Metformin but there's other ways of doing it to at his ass back there as well might be another strong Labor Day to work.
00:46:39I have lots of thoughts, but I don't know if this is an area where I think it's a psychiatrist our field is kind of because I'm really frustrated with cortisol. We've become really frustrated with the 1980s and 1990s. We were all over cortisol. We thought finally once and for all we have an objective test to diagnose psychiatric disorders and approved for the world. These are real disorders that we can measure something when we measure that something is abnormal we can maybe hopefully fix it we can do something about it. We have been obsessing about cortisol. We still to this day talk about cortisol all over there is no doubt in any psychiatrist mind.
00:47:39Cortisol plays a role in mental disorders no doubt, but what do we do with that information? How do we make a difference? What is the thing that is just been so frustrated. We haven't even been able to come up with a really legitimate diagnostic test and it's and with that I want to say for the record. It's not for lack of trying millions of millions of dollars were spent looking at morning cortisol suppression test all sorts of tests because I healed was full of Hope and excitement and enthusiasm that we could figure this out and turn it into it at least a diagnostic test may be a marker of treatments that are working or not working or something and and and at the end of the day
00:48:36We still haven't been able to make heads or tails of what to what to do with the information. So so I think that you're right. There is absolutely something there. We and Psychiatry have known that for decades what to do with it how to use that information even how to use that information clinically in terms of assessment. We don't know yet and more importantly how to use that information to help people who are suffering and how to improve their situation we still don't now and it it it's not that I'm hopeless about it because I think there is something there and so where there's a will there's a way and we is a field need to keep pursuing that and looking for answers and someday somehow. I'm hopeful that somebody will figure out what to do with that information and how to how to help people but
00:49:36No, I'm a psychiatrist. I'm a little burned out with that right now. We've been doing it for so long and I could extract another couple hours of cuz you're right at the edge in the Curious mine because you wouldn't be looking into it and you feel is great value. And so I I I love when is this way? It's your work until I hope it will be talk again. What I'm going to say is this probably won't be out for about a month. I will certainly forward you this. It'll probably be a two-parter and what I usually do is give a what I call a prequel which is more about what you do and references to your articles and so on so for its toe and follow your work and it keeps you on their Horizon to find out if you know what you're doing, but I just think it's incredible work. I think it's very exciting and I look forward to talking to you again. Awesome note that it's been a pleasure talking with you and thank you so much. We will stay in touch.
00:50:36Alright. Thanks. Bye. Bye.
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