Brace yourselves for part 1 of a spectacular interview with a person who, in my view, is bringing Keto to places no one ever thought possible...Behavioral disorders. Then again, as Dr. Palmer points out the ketogenic diet was originally developed specifically for a behavioral disorder in the first place: Epilepsy.


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00:01:17Welcome back everybody for another episode and Peter naturopath today. We have a very exciting interview. I saw a doctor Palmer Christopher Palmer Chris percent Donna low-carb USA at West Palm and in mind you he's at the an uncomfortable Edge that he's creating his expertise and I say uncomfortable Edge because he works in Psychiatry and there is greater risks there then just I don't mean pejorative here helping people lose weight. So I'm so far. So I'm so glad you could make some time to be honest. This is really wonderful. Well, thank you Carl for having me. I'm excited to be here.
00:01:58So I could actually go through your talk, but I don't want to but I have a number of slides. I want a reference. I want to say as we get into basically treating schizophrenia and bipolar and your experience that you knew on Stout and I'm so impressed. Is it in the following panel discussion you brought up a name. I haven't heard for a while. That was Nora lolcow and her work and that such an interesting overlap of her ear the whole pet scan of addiction and you know, the Obesity brain vs. The will call an addict brain have the similarities there and you get to the ketogenic side of things actually not even that looked and similarities of blood sugar dysglycemia is a cerebal and not like as you would say. Bipolar and schizophrenia start with a I throw that out and going that's pretty fascinating and one level is it?
00:02:58Receptor differences hers is about dopamine excetera and you're looking at it from the ketogenic approach about wait a minute, you know, we're kind of not far off from epilepsy here in terms of needing a therapeutic medical therapeutic class of ketogenic diet approach if we're going to make some Headway.
00:03:20Yeah, I know. So it's interesting that you start with Nora volkow. So for any of your listeners who don't know who she is she is currently the director of the National Institute of drug abuse. So she is a extraordinary well-known prominent renowned researcher in the addiction field her one of the most important contributions. She made was showing that animals and people when they eat Foods certain types of foods high in carbohydrate and high in fat the combination of the two it seems to be the sweet spot and that those Foods activate the exact same reward Pathways that addictive substances activate and that in fact, you know, depending on how you look at it, you could support an argument that some foods might be quote-unquote addictive and that's a somewhat controversial.
00:04:20Standstill in the academic field, but some people absolutely firmly believe that certain foods are addictive or alternatively you can look at some of her research and it's showing that addictive substances. Hijack the normal reward centers in our brain. So our brains have normal reward centers focused on getting food, especially good tasting food having sex doing other things like that that are normally very rewarding and The Addictive substance is hijacked that same Machinery in the brain that the really interesting stuff that's been happening lately both.
00:05:02In her own work specifically as it relates to alcohol use but also an entire field of research happening in the mental health field is that increasingly worried? We are finding abnormalities in metabolism in the brain of people with chronic mental illness and also her work showed in people who are heavy drinkers or is most people referred to as alcoholic until what happens is that when people drink alcohol some of that alcohol is actually turned into a ketone body that ends up in the brain cells and gets used by those brain cells and when people end up drinking chronically when they drink on a daily basis and heavy amounts their brains actually
00:06:02Adaptations and part of the adaptation is to actually becoming somewhat insulin resistance or glucose resistance. It starts to rely on the alcohol as a source of fuel and in doing so it ends up compromising its ability to use glucose as a source of fuel it. So what she found is that people who are chronic alcoholics their brains aren't producing as much energy as people who are not heavy Drinkers. And so part of that thinking goes along the lines of will maybe the reason they can't seem to get themselves to stop drinking is because their brains are actually kind of craving energy, which is a normal thing and the only way that they've been able to figure out to get that energy Supply to their brain cells is to drink alcohol.
00:07:02Sochi along with the National Institute of alcoholism and alcohol abuse are actually now doing a clinical trial of the ketogenic diet in Alcoholics and they are preparing that with brain scans both before and after they're doing all sorts of clinical measures and they're trying to see if the ketogenic diet can help people both withdraw from alcohol and also possibly if supplying their brain with Ketone bodies if that can reduce some of their cravings for alcohol and maybe help them achieve longer-term abstinence as fascinating.
00:07:50AMD is kind of a crazy guy, but he would do all these YouTube's on saying something similar to that far less the more simplistic but he ate his whole thing was about a caprylic acid triglyceride and that's how you're going to rescue the brain. And so he was I don't know if he got right down to the Ketone level. I mean he knew that it was helping B&B helps the alcoholic brain and he was an ex-alcoholic but that was his whole thing was, you know, you need to have and had a little bottle of MCA which I think it's a big deal to but his whole thing and he was on it so much. I got to be kind of crazy. But he had a truth wrapped up in his is a lack of a better word goofiness of presenting it is that ring true to you. I mean so CA it goes right into you know, making ketones. All three of them. Is that sound reasonable or is it sound like while he was a crazy guy but there's a little bit of Truth there.
00:08:44A so honestly it is a that's a big multimillion-dollar question right now because the study that they're doing is a multimillion-dollar study and I think that there is reason to believe that in fact increasing ketones as a source of fuel to the brain may impact help some people with alcoholism. And so I think he is certainly that is a reasonable Theory and it is worth pursuing. I think one of the challenges, you know, the challenges in Madison across-the-board. We have all sorts of theories that look good on paper that sound good. But when the rubber hits the road, we really need to notice this actually help real people. Does it come with side effects? Does it come with risks that maybe end up outweighing the benefit and so
00:09:41You know, I thought I think that theory about C8 possibly being helpful to people with alcoholism. I know that I know that other groups are looking into possibly even using Ketone Esters. It's going straight to Ketone IR those all worthwhile to study. Absolutely at this point. I don't think that anyone can say for sure that they will help and in what ways to help
00:10:06One of the I mean bringing up side effects and risks one of the risks that I've certainly experienced. Clinically I've experienced myself as somebody who's been on a low-carb ketogenic diet for 20 years. I know all about this when I am low-carbing at when I'm in ketosis. I noticed without a doubt at least for me personally alcohol hits me much more powerfully it when I'm not in ketosis and other words my threshold for how much I can drink goes down now if if I don't monitor that I could easily get really hammered quickly. Like if I if I normally think I can handle three glasses of wine and beef be quote-unquote. Okay, when I'm in ketosis two glasses of wine might do that to me.
00:11:06. Same thing and then if I have that third glass of wine because I kind of know that in sanctuary that like all I can handle three. I might get a lot more intoxicated or at least feel more intoxicated then I would normally be and so I think what we're talking about using the ketogenic diet with alcoholics, that's one of the things that's kind of front and center on my mind as as potentially one of the risk is that you know people with alcoholism by definition have trouble at least at times controlling their intake of alcohol because that's kind of embedded in the definition of an alcoholic. And so if you start with that as a promise and you put people on a diet that might make them even more sensitive to the effects of alcohol. It's just going to be important to be mindful of that as a risk and it's going to be
00:12:02Could be something to watch out for right with your group of patients on saying psychiatric if I can generalize that is it when they go home, you don't have control over those behaviors. You know, where is somebody's and weight loss here. They don't have control over those behaviors when they're either but they're less risky relative to that condition back to the alcohol exactly. What I have noticed is in a burden and then I was talking to dr. Lowery at the conference as well as dead when you're in ketosis and you have alcohol specifically I had some Bourbon and I had it at home and I'm thinking you know, I feel like my ketones have just gotten up a lot higher have that shirt of I won't say exactly mental Clarity. There's another little feeling they're just really bad with their shirt about I'm I'm in a higher ketosis and I have to take my ketones and are easily for and I think I even got up to 6 or something. So they were a lot higher than one who's been in ketosis for a couple of years more than
00:13:02Couple years, so I thought that since I mention that to him, I got Spirits. Anyway, I can justify anyone justify that, you know it increase my ketones and yes to everything else is more effective alcohol Network site. There are more sensitive to the alcohol and you notice that it boosts, you know, there's some sort of
00:13:25I don't know switching of tracks that ketones go up to process the alcohol or something like that. I'm not found anything that clarified that but there is another vying for the same spot. And so it's either going left going to ride is my sense you have any that's part of some of the literature that came out that really I think spurred dr. Bowcock to do some of the ketogenic research to what we know and this just came out maybe in the last eight years or so. So most people thought the alcohol really couldn't be used as a source of fuel and certainly not for the brain, but what we found out within the last eight years or so is that when people consume alcohol your liver takes that alcohol and actually convert some of it into acetone acetone is a ketone that Ketone goes directly to your brain and it's taken up by your brain.
00:14:25And used as a fuel source and my guess is that when you consume alcohol because it triggers the liver to actually make more Ketone bodies deliver probably ramps up its production of ketones across the board including beta-hydroxybutyrate and other things that maybe aren't derived directly from alcohol, but the alcohol stimulates the process of let's ramp up some Ketone production. It provides a source for acetone at least and then your body is also probably using fats or even carbohydrates or other things to make more ketones. So yeah, I'm not I'm actually not surprised that Ketone levels go up after consumption of alcohol that exact question though and
00:15:24That study might be out there, but I'm not aware of anybody taking a group of people who are in ketosis giving them alcohol and then monitoring for like the next 6 hours is what happens to their Ketone levels be interesting to know what happens to their insulin levels in their glucose levels because all of those would be important metric and I would also further differentiate for other related studies is the difference between exogenous ketones in the NCAA because but I know about see what I mean about a week or two ago and then he did some CHC 10 studies. So is that you have C8 producing all three T-Town bikes where is exaggerated mosquitoes come in as BHP, you know, it's at the BHP or not or you know get rid of me and so it's interesting.
00:16:252 if you were to compare those to one you'd had additive acetone production. I'm thinking that they both produce it so to say and others as you would have strictly the alcohol stimulating labor or converting in the liver to acetone as one of the few by Ketone bodies.
00:16:45Wow, that was a bit. So is she by the way she is also trotsky's granddaughters and she famous.
00:16:55Narcos, I believe she has yes. I enjoyed it back to you. So you actually you started a huge anytime back with the doctor Atkins. What was your motivation for going in that direction? Just personal say hey, do you want to lose a few pounds? And then you know what time is going by and it's become this Colossus that it is in terms of doorways it to epilepsy and all that you heard and learned about that exactly. I started it with the Atkins diet and it was back, you know over 20 years ago now it was at a time when I was late 20s early 30s, and I just finished medical school. I was starting my residency and I was actually
00:17:51Play a person have been a person who's pretty disciplined and I really wanted to take care of myself all through Medical School. You see the worst of the worst Health outcomes. You see people suffering. You see people, you know, dying of all sorts of maladies some of which are preventable if they stop smoking if they lose some weight if they exercise and it so I was really hell-bent on taking care of myself and making sure that I was in good health and at that point in time low-fat was where it was at. Everybody was supposed to be on a low fat diet because that's what all of the experts were telling us we should do and so I was on a low fat diet. I was actually on a ridiculously low fat diet. I hardly consumed any fat because we were all told at least I was told that the less that the better fat serves no useful purpose at the toxin into our bodies. Just get rid of it.
00:18:51On top of that. I was exercising pretty regularly and religiously I would go to the gym at least at least four times a week for you. No one and a half to two hours per time that I went to the gym. And so I felt like you know, I'm doing a pretty good job. I'm doing my best. I'm trying to take care of my house. And lo and behold my cholesterol was horrible. My my LDL was really high. My HDL was pretty much non-existent my trike. My triglycerides were through the roof over 300 and my my blood pressure was creeping up and I kept going to my primary care doctor over a note for a year after year and he keeps calling my attention to these horrible abysmal numbers and you know, every time we have the conversation.
00:19:51Sable what can I do and he's like diet and exercise and I like what diet low fat what kind of exercise while you know go to the gym, you know run but whether I'm doing all that I'm doing all that and I so after a few years of that same kind of conversation eventually. He's like, you know, you got to go on medicine like enough's enough. You're your numbers are only getting worse. We need to put you on statins. We need to put you on blood pressure medicine. You're going to drop dead of a heart attack when you're in your 50s, we've got to do something and I had talked to different people who were doing the Atkins diet and I had talked to several people who claimed and this is why I experienced it who claimed like you're crazy people that their cholesterol actually got better on the Atkins diet that their blood pressure actually went down on that Atkins diet get there.
00:20:51Diabetes. Dramatically better on that horrible evil Atkins diet and for me, it really felt like an act of defiance.
00:21:04I basically had kind of given up. I kind of figured while I'm screwed the last straw for the primary care doctor was he's like, you know, well wait, I think I know what's going on cuz your mother have diabetes and high cholesterol. I say yes, does your father have anything like this? Yes, he's got all of it. And he says well as genetic you're screwed. There's nothing you can do.
00:21:30And I really I really can't believe that I really thought okay, I'm screwed. There's but I've heard of these Rebels doing this apkins diet and I'm going to give it like 2 months or something and when it doesn't work, I'll go ahead and take his medicine. That's why I tried the Atkins diet and I went back to my primary care doctor three months later and everything had gotten dramatically better. My LDL had plummeted my HDL doubled my triglycerides were less than a hundred. They went from over 300 to less than a hundred and most importantly my mind. My blood pressure had plummeted in a good way was it was like about 1:40 ish over 90 95 went down to 130 / 110 actually. No, I'm sorry 110 / like 70.
00:22:24And so everything I gotten better and he's like what have you done? Like, what are you doing? And I said, I tried the Atkins diet and he's like well, whatever you're doing keep doing it. It's clearly working for you. And so ever since then I have pretty much stayed on it. I I will fully acknowledge. I don't do it one hundred percent of the time every day every of every year I I
00:22:52I almost always eat low carb or keto breakfast and lunch because eating carbohydrates slows me down and if anything makes makes me a little more lethargic and sluggish and so I don't want to feel that way during the day but I'll go through phases especially if I'm on vacation with family or friends and they all want to eat out and they you know, they almost get mad at you for not participating in the meal or for not, you know, eating the same stuff. They're eating and some of those cases I'll just go off and I'll be off the diet for a week or two or whatever. And usually I I get motivated to get right back on it because I noticed a difference in the way. I feel I noticed a difference in my energy level my motivation level and so I've known about this for 20 years. I've pretty much
00:23:45Stayed on it come back to it. If I need to lose a few pounds. I'll come back to it. And I pretty much maintained a healthy range of weight. I've my cholesterol levels have remained very good. Despite my horrible family history. My blood pressure has remained really good. So I've been a huge fan. I've convinced innumerable friends and family is over the 20 years to do a low carb or ketogenic diet for weight loss and that to me is like easy. That's like the easy solution. It's low-hanging. I know how to motivate people. I know how to get them through the keto flu or the keto adaptation or the car withdrawal or whatever. We want to call it. I know how to do all of that I think for me if you if if you're interested, I will share the story of my father because the story of my father
00:24:43Is is quite interesting and so my father given my genetics was a diabetic have high cholesterol was overweight and he was toward the end of his life. He was in his mid-70s and had his diabetes had progressively worsened and he was on over a hundred and 80 units of insulin a day 60 tid in his blood sugars ranged anywhere from 300 the 600 on that insulin and he had become bedridden and it got to the point. He was severely depressed you've been in and out of hospitals Rehab Hospital psychiatric hospitals. It actually got in the course of electroconvulsive therapy, which did not work. He tried innumerable medications and I spoke with several doctors who all told me your father's dying. He will never walk again. He's
00:25:43And you just need so like put him in a nursing home and let him die and I kept asking and I'm a physician. So silly me I kept asking what exactly is he dying of and they either would shrug their shoulders or they would come right out and say diabetes.
00:26:09And it was clear that he was dying. He was his energy was failing. His nerves were no longer working. He wasn't able to walk. He wasn't able to even get up in bed on his own and so I sat down with my dad and I had a long talk and I'm like luck Dad if if if you're good on dying and your you feel like it's your time. I all range for a good Nursing Home in but you're basically get a lie in bed staring at the ceiling until you go and that's a pretty miserable kind of prospect. I said if you actually want a shot at life, here's a proposition you can move in with me, but here's some conditions one is you're going to have to go on a diet called the Atkins diet and I'm going to make you go on it and it's not going to be easy and you're not going to like it and you're going to complain a lot but you know, you have to do it. Like I just I don't want any lip service from you.
00:27:09Just going to have to do it.
00:27:12The second thing the second condition was you're going to have to exercise he kind of laughed at me at that point and said Chris. I can't walk like what the hell are you talking about you I can barely move. I can't even set up on my own. What are you talking about exes? I said I said, don't worry. I'm not going to ask you to do anything that you can't do but I am going to ask you to exercise and you're going to have to participate in that too and you can complain all you want but you're going to have to do it. And so he agreed to those terms and I have to I have to share with the nurse. The first month was actually quite dangerous.
00:27:53He he was a brittle diabetic in the most severe way possible. He was on again 180 units of insulin his blood sugars wood range 300 to 600 as soon as I switch them over to a low-carb diet. He started getting episodes of pretty serious hypoglycemia know early on the hypoglycemia might have been a blood sugar of 150 but it's a blood sugar of 150. He was sweating he was pale. He was almost passing out. So that's not something that I would recommend people just go out and wing it and try it on their own because it is because I'm a physician because I was there around the clock and quite honestly because the medical profession had given up on him pretty much told me he's dying. There's nothing you can do put him in a nursing home.
00:28:53Let him stare too ceiling until he dies.
00:28:56I kind of felt like well, we have nothing to lose and so why not? Why not try this Brave and kind of dangerous treatment? And so we did it within six months. He was off of insulin and he was walking and I took him to the gym and we had this cheering section at the gym these people who would see us coming day after day week after week. And you know, I live in the Boston area where people aren't so friendly they don't you don't talk to strangers in the Boston area and changes were coming up to us talking to us. They were coming up and saying, oh my God, I remember when you were coming in a wheelchair and you couldn't even stand up you couldn't do anything and look at you. Look at you now like, oh my God, this is a miracle.
00:29:54And I'm his primary care doctor actually said to me at that point. He said, you know Chris. I don't know what the hell you're doing, but it really is nothing short of miraculous. I don't see this happen ever like this doesn't happen. Any he said to me at that point? It's always stuck in my mind. He said you really need to set up a clinic using this diet or doing this for people and might my thought at that point was actually kind of anger and frustration. I was more like why the hell aren't you doing this? You're his doctor, not me. I'm a psychiatrist for god sakes. I'm not planning to leave Psychiatry find a diabetes management and and I shouldn't have to be doing this. I should not have had to have gone through everything. I went through. He shouldn't have had to have gone through everything he
00:30:54Through the medical profession should have been doing this for him all along and yet they weren't and still to this day aren't but but but I've a kind of witness the power of low carb or ketogenic diet in terms of weight loss and in terms of diabetes management and you know, this thing that I'm really excited and passionate about now is the mental health thing and I'm happy to I can keep talking to Just Energy that story by itself. You know, it's like I have to ask how long ago was that is your dad still alive and still going to the gym.
00:31:40so the epilogue fat is a sad one quite honestly, so
00:31:47that happened.
00:31:552007 2008 10 years ago. He lived with me for three years and he got to the point where he really was.
00:32:10Dramatically better. I think I was always hoping that he would get better enough that he would want to go live independently. And I think I'm fortunately being ill for so long and incapacitated even as he got his capacity back. I think he became more dependent and and I think she felt afraid to live on his own and didn't necessarily have the drive to take care of himself in the way that most adults to and then For Better or Worse that was a point in my life where I was married had a child and was being threatened with devoras and a custody battle and financial ruin and all of that stuff it so I went into my own crisis mode and For Better or Worse, unfortunately.
00:33:04I I had several conversations with my father over many months, you know letting him know that I have my own battles to fight. Now you you're sad. You just need to keep it up. You need to stay on the diet. You need to keep exercising. I had home health aide tour coming in the home still helping him do that getting him to the gym. And I think when I kind of backed off and did wasn't pushing it wasn't the Taskmaster anymore. He thought it was just too nice and too convenient and too enticing to go ahead and have some pie and go ahead and have some cookies and so he really fell off the wagon in a dramatic way and then started, you know declining invitations to go to the gym or go work out. So I'll do that another time. I'm going to watch the football game and things to tear
00:34:04Faded enough that you know, I had a talk with him and let him know that you know, I I had my own battles to fight and that if he really didn't want to do the program anymore that was up to him, but that I wasn't into I never intended to run a nursing home in my home. I intended to run a rehabilitation center. And in fact, that's what we had done over the last three years and he was Rehabilitation today and he needed to at a minimum accept responsibility for maintaining his right and maintaining is really Rehabilitation and for better or worse. He just didn't have it in them to do it. And so things got to a point where you know, I was going through my own set with the divorce. And so I got to a point where I arranged for him to go to a nursing home. I went at several meetings with the dieticians at this nursing home.
00:35:04You went into the nursing home still walking he could walk in a walker. He he was he was fine. He slipped back somewhat, but he was still pretty good had several talks with Sam about. Can you please keep them on a low-carb diet can you know no way? He's diabetic. We got to put them on a diabetic diet, which is of course very high in those healthy carbohydrate and I and we even talked about pies and cookies and I said, you know, please don't give him pie and cookie because he's like he's going to eat them all and they were like, oh, no, he won't know. He's he's good. He'll take care of himself been so within 4 months he was again bedridden it it took them only four months and and he ended up passing away within a year.
00:35:55well, and that was the story and it is a hard story and I'm it's sad that it didn't have a happier end my father and I I mean part of the background of that is that my father and I never got along for most of my life and I actually left home before I finished high school and so it was
00:36:25It was hard for me to have done what I did for him. And you know, it's the end of the day. I think it's the it's the Testament that there are no quick fixes. Yep. There's no one magic bullet that the people have to have the will to live people have people have to be on board with taking care of themselves and with accepting responsibility for themselves people do sometimes have to make sacrifices. Sometimes you can look around at other people eating cake and pie and you have to say no and I'm and For Better or Worse not everybody wants to do that and I suppose it on some level that's their choice to be at the third choice. It's their choice nonetheless and there was so, you know, dr. Tom Siegfried.
00:37:25Neck of the woods there, but I was interviewing him and doing some reading and talking some of the people that I work with before there was a case that they had published and they can marry a man written up in hungry. I believe it was so they did in conjunction with the number of other things and breast cancer and all these things miraculous the results. It was like a story and then the woman sort of disappeared and I think it was 10 months later and stop doing everything stop doing the ketogenic diet. Stop doing all these things and it all came raging back and she died within a year of being clean and so it speaks to
00:38:16Are we getting to the technical aspects and we know you did it works but we can't quite get into the mind of the person completely if you would that kind of support, you know, and yeah, they need something but it's not like for instance on you to have to supply those other things were, you know, maybe a clinic could surprise Supply some of that but it's still kind of an undefined and yet this other kind of emotional support psychological support. The most clinicians are prepared to do or if it's not available in that context. And so yeah, I can quickly turn around stick point. I want to ask you a quick question. When shocked about your your own diet and the carbs make you Logie. I don't think she'd love you but slow you are you saying you don't you're like with the goal zero carb or carnivore are your like, you know, I just where are you on that? Is that an issue or as I guess just a general reference?
00:39:11Quite honestly, I I'm all over the place depending on if there are times if if I am feeling really sluggish and if I sleep I've been off the wagon for a little while and I feel the need to kind of get back on the wagon quickly and it's just I want to improve my energy level. I want to improve my mood or something else. I do tend to go more carnivore diet. I tend to avoid almost all vegetables every now and then I might have a pickle with dinner like a dill pickle back. But otherwise, I'm pretty much eating meat and meat and Exile I'll certainly eggs and you know coffee with cream, but it's pretty heavy on the meat and very very light on vegetables and I've noticed it at least for me. Does make a difference it really it really does seem to make a difference.
00:40:11X I will you know have salads have avocados other things with healthy fats with you know olive oil and I've tended to lean more toward the carnivore side for better or worse and then I'll do intermittent fast sebi now and then skip breakfast if a lunch skip dinner here and there as I as I feel like I can and if I'm feeling good if I'm not particularly hungry, I'll go ahead and skip the meal and I exercise alot. I so exercise is really important to me and and I think it's a big part of
00:40:54The metabolic kind of therapy and taking care of one's health and I like to spin classes. I cycle outside and in I'm in Boston. I don't like the cycle in like Sub-Zero weathers. I tend to do indoor stuff spin classes I go to the gym and then in the summer, I love to cycle outside and I run and always do some weight training always do some kind of stretching yoga type stuff and that's always a huge thing for me is I I noticed that even if I'm completely off the diet if I can get a really good workout in and really sweat hard and long for an hour or more. I feel so much better as fun of your speaking from the Articles you've written in Psychology today was exercise and fasting linked to brain detox among others.
00:41:54Is a big big deal and it's easy to talk about exercising group grew up, you know being High School athletics once a athlete that it's easy to bring him back to that state if they were never exercised already gone. So what do you think about the gym think about a walk when you think about you know, exceeding that aspect it's almost a it's it's almost harder than bringing in a diet. I'm sure you probably know it sounds like it's part of Who You Are by the way.
00:42:34Hi, this is Doctor Gold Camp. I thought I would take a moment of your time to tell you about something that we've been working on for a long time. And that is our product of c a keto MCT oil. How is it different? And why would you even care about it? It's the highest Purity. You can find in the market which is 99.7% acrylic acid triglyceride. And by the way that's backed up by a certificate of analysis. It's not just me making up these numbers, but I think the bigger story behind RC8 MCT oil is not only that it is the most efficient way for you to create ketones. And that is all three ketones your beta hydroxybutyrate your CEO acetate and your acetone is important, but the other part is it supports sustainably harvested palm oil. Why would you care because all the other C8 oil products out there not the MCT oils, but the C8 MCT oil some people call them ketogenic oils out there.
00:43:33They come from palm oil and palm farming specifically Palm kernel farming his southeast Asia is decimating. The rainforest are absolutely you go on right now to Google or to YouTube and say, well southeast Asia and you will be in tears at the end of 10 minutes. When you see the destruction is happening. This is not part of that. This is the exception so it's called rspo Roundtable on sustainable palm oil you have to apply for it. You have to be audited by them and it's a long rigorous process and it took us two years to bring this product to Market. I hope you care and I know you'll care about the efficiency in which it helps you make ketones by the way. We don't drink that is like it's a fluid we make our mayonnaise out of that. We make. Salad dressings at it when we have a salad. It's basically a I hate to say crutch, but it's my Aid to keep me in ketosis when I want to be
00:44:33It's fast. It's long-lasting Surly long longer-lasting and exhaustion is ketones and much more holistic as I mentioned with all three ketones. That's about as much as I want to say. I hope you look into it. I hope you take your ketones readings on a regular basis as long with your glucose. If you do then you really value this product all the best. I thought you should know.

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