Full Transcript for Be the Solution with Lloyd Waller and Jozlyn Rocki

00:04:17.040 But so um, so I reached out to my oldest and we went through this whole long audition. 00:04:17.040 --> 00:04:18.639 Like, there were a lot of details to it. 00:04:18.639 --> 00:04:20.240 And I said, Do you think you can commit to this? 00:04:20.240 --> 00:04:21.519 It's kind of a big project. 00:04:21.519 --> 00:04:22.480 Are you interested? 00:04:22.480 --> 00:04:23.600 And he was like, Yeah. 00:04:23.600 --> 00:04:32.560 So I was like, okay, I'm gonna ask my agent if they'd be open to allowing you, you know, for me to refer you to them to, to, to, to audition. 00:04:32.560 --> 00:04:37.040 And my agent's like, awesome, yes, please, you know. 00:04:37.040 --> 00:04:39.920 And I was like, Would you like me to get you in contact with my son? 00:04:39.920 --> 00:04:41.120 Because he's 20 something, right? 00:04:41.120 --> 00:04:43.920 So he, you know, and they're like, no, no, no, just forward the audition to him. 00:04:43.920 --> 00:04:53.759 And so I had to make sure, you know, make sure you copy and paste the the like, you know, how you like are going to um whatever, identify the file or whatever. 00:04:53.759 --> 00:04:55.439 They have like very specific stuff. 00:04:55.439 --> 00:04:56.639 And so he did it. 00:04:56.639 --> 00:05:01.360 And I was like, okay, so right then and there, it doesn't hurt to ask. 00:05:01.360 --> 00:05:17.439 It doesn't hurt to be the solution, you know, it doesn't hurt to also like forward on opportunities to other people, you know, that are in the industry or that could be a potential solution for somebody else, you know. 00:05:17.439 --> 00:05:19.600 And um, I don't know. 00:05:19.600 --> 00:05:22.800 I just was like, okay, that that felt good, you know, that was fun. 00:05:22.800 --> 00:05:31.920 And, you know, maybe he'll get it, maybe he won't, but at least he was open to the experience and open to the idea of and he did it all on his own. 00:05:31.920 --> 00:05:34.319 He recorded everything all on his own and everything. 00:05:34.319 --> 00:05:36.079 So I was really excited for him. 00:05:36.079 --> 00:05:36.480 Yeah. 00:05:36.480 --> 00:05:43.360 He it's not too far-fetched for him because he is going into more of like your line of work, as I'm bringing it up to you, too. 00:05:43.360 --> 00:05:50.319 Um, because he's going to college for production, he's on the production track and media production and management and all that kind of stuff. 00:05:50.319 --> 00:05:51.680 So um, yeah. 00:05:51.680 --> 00:05:59.680 So, anyways, I was like, you know, we always talk about wanting to get the gig, wanting to book, wanting to make money, trying to advance our careers. 00:05:59.680 --> 00:06:08.079 But then it's also kind of nice to be able to be a solution, you know, in a different sort of context. 00:06:08.079 --> 00:06:10.240 Anyways, that's what I wanted to talk about. 00:06:10.560 --> 00:06:10.879 Okay. 00:06:10.879 --> 00:06:13.519 Uh a little bit. 00:06:13.600 --> 00:06:14.480 It's not the whole

reason. 00:06:14.480 --> 00:06:16.560 Just before Okay. 00:06:17.040 --> 00:06:21.920 Uh I I do want to say for anyone who's listening, I just want to point out it's good that you asked. 00:06:22.160 --> 00:06:22.480 Yeah. 00:06:22.800 --> 00:06:35.120 Because there was, I I remember seeing a couple of weeks ago on Twitter there was like a little bit of a controversy with some people who were like sharing auditions to people they thought would would, you know, it would be good for. 00:06:35.120 --> 00:06:38.480 And it's like, well, you didn't get permission to share that, and now there's issues. 00:06:38.480 --> 00:06:38.959 Yes. 00:06:38.959 --> 00:06:39.920 You know. 00:06:39.920 --> 00:06:42.959 Uh just a reminder for anyone, you know. 00:06:42.959 --> 00:06:47.279 Um, yeah, I mean, that's a that's a that's a cool thing. 00:06:47.439 --> 00:06:49.680 Uh to be like a solution, yeah. 00:06:49.680 --> 00:06:50.959 You're totally right though. 00:06:50.959 --> 00:06:52.000 I always ask. 00:06:52.000 --> 00:06:57.920 But this is my I have a a relationship with my agent, and she knows I have kids that are voice actors, you know. 00:06:57.920 --> 00:07:12.240 So even though she they they specifically represent my youngest, they do know that I have other kids that do do voiceover, they're just not represented or like specifically, like, you know, they don't have like finalized demos or anything like that. 00:07:12.240 --> 00:07:13.199 You know what I'm saying? 00:07:13.199 --> 00:07:16.639 So it's like, I feel like that's a little bit of a leeway there, but you're right. 00:07:16.639 --> 00:07:17.680 You definitely need to ask. 00:07:17.680 --> 00:07:21.199 You can't just share auditions randomly to random people. 00:07:21.199 --> 00:07:22.399 Like, you know what I'm saying? 00:07:22.399 --> 00:07:25.120 Like, yeah, yeah, that's that that's probably a no-no. 00:07:25.120 --> 00:07:34.319 But again, like just like looking at the needs of the agent, the audition specs, and saying, hey, I might have a solution for you. 00:07:34.319 --> 00:07:39.279 And would you be open and interested in this solution um potentially? 00:07:39.279 --> 00:07:46.639 And and them saying yes, and then my oldest being, you know, excited and open to to just going for it and trying it. 00:07:46.639 --> 00:07:55.120 Um he does have a lot of experience in um, like he's he's done an audio book with me before, you know what I'm saying? 00:07:55.120 --> 00:08:02.399 He's he's auditioned for other commercial spots, and he's also like in the video realm of things, so it's not too far-fetched. 00:08:02.399 --> 00:08:10.319 Um the other thing I was gonna tell you is um being persistent and staying connected. 00:08:10.800 --> 00:08:11.120 Okay. 00:08:11.600 --> 00:08:14.480 So, like, that's another thing, like a download that I had recently. 00:08:14.480 --> 00:08:16.399 So, you know, I took a day job. 00:08:16.639 --> 00:08:16.959 Yes. 00:08:17.120 --> 00:08:26.319 And I'm working full-time, and it's parallel to like what we do, and it's not it's not so far-fetched from like my previous experience in radio. 00:08:26.639 --> 00:08:27.199 Right. 00:08:27.519 --> 00:08:33.519 Um, so I remembered going through some notes, some old journals, because I take tons of notes. 00:08:33.519 --> 00:08:37.600 I remembered and saw that I had written down a contact. 00:08:37.600 --> 00:08:40.639 And I was like, oh my God, they work at my company. 00:08:41.039 --> 00:08:41.360 Oh. 00:08:41.679 --> 00:08:42.960 And I was like, oh, hey. 00:08:42.960 --> 00:08:46.240 And so I reached, I, you know, I was like, should I reach out to them? 00:08:46.240 --> 00:08:49.200 Of course I should reach out to them, you know, like, of course. 00:08:49.200 --> 00:08:56.639 And so I reached out to this who I thought it was, and we'll say, like, his name was Bob Summers. 00:08:56.639 --> 00:08:58.639 Okay, is I'm making up a name. 00:08:58.639 --> 00:09:03.440 And they're like, Oh, you might have the wrong person. 00:09:03.440 --> 00:09:10.320 You might be thinking of Billy Summers, you know, because I had like maybe miswritten the name down. 00:09:10.320 --> 00:09:17.679 So for the longest time, I was trying to find this person and I couldn't find him, and then I thought I found him because it's a huge company. 00:09:17.679 --> 00:09:21.360 And and so I ended up, I was like, should I reach out to him? 00:09:21.360 --> 00:09:22.159 Should I not reach out to him? 00:09:22.159 --> 00:09:23.519 I'm like, you know, I'm just gonna reach out to him. 00:09:23.519 --> 00:09:24.480 Just gonna, I'm just gonna be cool. 00:09:24.480 --> 00:09:32.720 I'm just like, hey, like, you know, I'm pretty sure we connected at in this like event, you know, at this particular place. 00:09:32.720 --> 00:09:36.000 Um, and he was like, Oh yeah, that's me. 00:09:36.000 --> 00:09:40.080 And I was like, yay! And then he's like, hey, you work here now. 00:09:40.080 --> 00:09:41.679 And I'm like, I do work here now. 00:09:41.679 --> 00:09:49.679 And he was like, sweet, you know, like send me your stuff, you know, because this could be um cool. 00:09:49.679 --> 00:09:57.360 And so I was like, all right, so I sent him my stuff, and because he's in like a different department, and um, and I like heard nothing. 00:09:57.360 --> 00:10:00.320 I even said, like, hey, feedback is always welcome, da-da-da. 00:10:00.320 --> 00:10:04.799 And I heard nothing, and I was like, oh my god, oh my god, what did I do? 00:10:04.799 --> 00:10:06.320 Oh crap, you know? 00:10:06.320 --> 00:10:16.879 And and then like a couple weeks later, he like floated an idea by me to to for like to be a part of like a you know, part of a project. 00:10:16.879 --> 00:10:20.879 And I was like, Yeah, okay, cool, I'll do this. 00:10:20.879 --> 00:10:23.679 I'm not trying to be too bag, but I can't really go into details. 00:10:23.679 --> 00:10:26.639 So I was like, So I was like, yeah. 00:10:26.639 --> 00:10:41.120 And so I I I

r recorded, you know, like the pieces that he had requested from me, and I didn't hear anything, and I was like, oh my god! You know, because we talk about this too all the time. 00:10:41.120 --> 00:10:47.120 Like, do you it's like you don't hear anything, you just have to hard not to freak out. 00:10:47.120 --> 00:11:04.159 And then all of a sudden he was like, Cool, it's all con it's all like been like thumbs up across the board, and you're now gonna be like a part of this big um like specialty uh nice yeah, um, campaign, I guess. 00:11:04.159 --> 00:11:07.679 And so that's exposure, you know, it's experience. 00:11:07.679 --> 00:11:15.120 Um, I'm not, you know, it's it's also and he's like, yeah, and be on the lookout for um potential like future stuff. 00:11:15.120 --> 00:11:17.519 And I'm like, and it's in a different department. 00:11:17.519 --> 00:11:20.639 So um I am excited. 00:11:20.639 --> 00:11:37.360 And so I was like sharing it with you because it's like a lot of times we always hold ourselves back, like, no, I shouldn't reach out to this person, or maybe I shouldn't, I don't want to bother them, or I'm worried that, you know, this or that, or you know, and then we always talk about like not hearing anything and wondering like what's happening. 00:11:37.360 --> 00:11:42.399 And um I said to my husband, I was like, I'm just gonna breathe. 00:11:42.399 --> 00:11:44.399 I'm like, I'm worried, but and I'm just gonna breathe. 00:11:44.399 --> 00:11:46.320 I'm gonna be patient, I'm gonna wait. 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:48.559 And it like totally unfolded. 00:11:48.559 --> 00:11:50.000 Everything was great. 00:11:50.000 --> 00:11:50.960 You know what I'm saying? 00:11:50.960 --> 00:11:51.840 Everything was fine. 00:11:51.840 --> 00:11:52.960 It turned out okay. 00:11:53.840 --> 00:11:54.159 Yeah. 00:11:55.120 --> 00:11:55.840 Yay! 00:11:59.600 --> 00:12:01.919 I I I I it's I mean, it's a good thing. 00:12:01.919 --> 00:12:15.679 I feel like I feel like like in the middle of you telling that story, my brain was like, this is the story that we I mean. 00:12:15.679 --> 00:12:20.159 It is almost every story. 00:12:20.159 --> 00:12:25.200 It's like, oh, I send something in a week later. 00:12:25.200 --> 00:12:30.879 I haven't heard anything, two weeks later, a month later, indiscriminate. 00:12:30.879 --> 00:12:44.320 I mean, for some people, like over a year later, you know, it's like, okay, I'm just gonna, you know, it's it's like the whole submit and forget, you know, I know deal. 00:12:44.320 --> 00:12:58.480 But you know, I I think it's really cool that you, you know, uh reached out and also kind of like searched for the person because I guess the contact wasn't right at first. 00:12:59.440 --> 00:13:01.039 Wrote the name down wrong. 00:13:01.360 --> 00:13:06.159 Um but like going through and like making the connection, you know, it's really cool. 00:13:06.159 --> 00:13:09.200 And I'm happy it like turned into something. 00:13:09.200 --> 00:13:34.159 Is it is it like a because is it an opportunity that is separate from your normal responsibilities in a sense that like like I know you're you're saying, you know, it's nice to be a solution, and that's that's more directed to the previous story, but the same still though, yeah. 00:13:34.240 --> 00:13:34.399 Yeah. 00:13:34.879 --> 00:13:42.720 Is it something where like you maybe get like paid outside of your normal responsibilities? 00:13:43.440 --> 00:13:44.559 So yeah, I know what you're saying. 00:13:44.559 --> 00:13:53.679 So basically it's it's this is like where you know it's a it's you're I work for a big company, which is like a huge corporation that has many different departments, you know. 00:13:53.679 --> 00:14:06.720 So it's just it's about being a team player, it's about being a solution, it's about reaching out and making connections uh from a business sense and also like connecting, you know, to to create like camaraderie and like friendship. 00:14:06.720 --> 00:14:20.240 And, you know, so anytime I come across somebody that I end up like connecting with um on a project, I always make sure that I send them a team like, hey, I'm Jocelyn, nice to meet you, you know, um, cool to work on this with you. 00:14:20.240 --> 00:14:25.759 And so it was like one of those things where I was like, hey, you know, we connected outside of work. 00:14:25.759 --> 00:14:49.519 Now I'm working here and he's in a different department, but um it it could potentially be an opportunity for me to be able to lend my voice on other projects outside of the department that I work on or work at, and um, which could, I don't know, create other opportunities for me to work on bigger, better projects, or help me advance, you know, in in the corporate culture that I'm now involved in, you know what I'm saying? 00:14:49.519 --> 00:15:21.679 Or maybe um be able to, when I like do see other opportunities that I might want to submit, you know, um to for like a different position, you know, I I can say, hey, I also worked with this person on this project, you know, and it wasn't really necessarily connected to my department, but you know, it so that yeah, and then also could maybe potentially create opportunities for me outside of my company because of the exposure with other clients, you know, hearing my voice. 00:15:21.679 --> 00:15:37.120 So maybe, yeah, I do know that that does um occur for other voice actors that um you know, and that work at a like a corporate culture, you know, like they get hired outside of the the company for other projects, I think. 00:15:37.120 --> 00:15:38.960 But um, I don't know, it's just weird. 00:15:38.960 --> 00:15:50.639 Like I'm like, oh my gosh, like it's it's just the point is is that um I'm tired I'm just done being afraid or worrying about should I, would I, could I? 00:15:50.639 --> 00:15:51.360 You know what I'm saying? 00:15:51.360 --> 00:15:53.919 It's like I'm just gonna do it and what's the harm? 00:15:53.919

--> 00:15:56.559 They say no, or what's the harm? 00:15:56.559 --> 00:16:01.039 They say, Oh, it's welcome, cool, you know, and like that's it, you know. 00:16:01.279 --> 00:16:01.919 Right, right, right. 00:16:02.159 --> 00:16:02.559 I don't know. 00:16:02.559 --> 00:16:03.679 We'll see we'll see. 00:16:03.679 --> 00:16:16.240 I just it's like I always worked at a small company before, a small Midwestern company, and this is like a quite large company, and there's so many opportunities, and I just I'm excited, you know. 00:16:16.240 --> 00:16:18.480 I'm just excited to see where it takes me. 00:16:18.480 --> 00:16:23.039 So um, that being said, because I have questions for you. 00:16:23.039 --> 00:16:26.159 Um doing stuff that you're not comfortable with. 00:16:26.159 --> 00:16:40.399 So I just I wanted to share this with you because I had a um Midwest agent submit me for something before asking, um, which is a little bit unusual, but not it's still kosher in the industry, like it happens. 00:16:40.399 --> 00:16:46.720 And so it was for like a UGC, like a user-generated content, um, for like a big like grocery store. 00:16:46.720 --> 00:16:50.080 And you know, I think a lot of brands are doing that now. 00:16:50.080 --> 00:16:53.279 They're doing you know, more social media stuff. 00:16:53.279 --> 00:17:01.279 And so I was like, oh my God, I don't know if I want to do this, but it's remote and it would help, it would be I'd be able to do something on camera, right? 00:17:01.279 --> 00:17:08.000 Um, potentially, you know, because right now I'm working full-time, so it's a little bit harder to do on camera stuff. 00:17:08.000 --> 00:17:08.480 You know this. 00:17:08.640 --> 00:17:08.880 Right. 00:17:09.039 --> 00:17:11.839 And so um, so I was like, I don't know if I want to do UGC. 00:17:11.839 --> 00:17:13.200 I was just literally talking to my sister. 00:17:13.200 --> 00:17:16.480 She's like, oh my God, you should, you know, this like it's good money. 00:17:16.480 --> 00:17:24.400 And I'm like, I know it's good money, but like I don't doing social media stuff and doing content-related stuff is not really my style. 00:17:24.400 --> 00:17:26.319 It makes I'm not comfortable with it. 00:17:26.319 --> 00:17:29.279 And so I'm getting to you. 00:17:29.279 --> 00:17:31.200 Cause and then um, and so I was like, you know what? 00:17:31.200 --> 00:17:31.599 Screw it. 00:17:31.599 --> 00:17:32.400 I'm just gonna do it. 00:17:32.400 --> 00:17:37.519 It's like a super casual audition, you know, they just want you to be real and authentic. 00:17:37.519 --> 00:17:41.839 And so I did it, and I just submitted it and forget it, forgot about it. 00:17:41.839 --> 00:17:45.440 Well, I'm talking about it right now, but I get rid of yeah. 00:17:45.440 --> 00:17:48.960 And so I was like, well, that wasn't so bad, you know. 00:17:48.960 --> 00:17:50.880 I mean, it was like kind of fun. 00:17:50.880 --> 00:17:58.000 And so it got me thinking about you and like your content creation that you started. 00:17:58.400 --> 00:17:58.720 Okay. 00:17:59.039 --> 00:18:00.319 Can we talk about this? 00:18:01.279 --> 00:18:01.920 Yeah. 00:18:02.640 --> 00:18:24.240 Uh yeah, what about because like I just find it so fascinating that like you started on this like TikTok adventure, you know, for one reason, and now it's sort of like taking off in this like direction, and like, you know, I mean, it's it's not easy doing that stuff. 00:18:24.240 --> 00:18:56.079 It's not easy to get in front of the camera, you know, it's not easy to be acting, you know, or but then like when you do content creation, it's like a mixture of being real and authentic, but also like, you know, you have like some people have certain like ways that they create their content, not necessarily like a character, but you have like sort of like a way that you do things that becomes a part of what you push out or what you create, don't you think? 00:18:56.559 --> 00:18:57.039 Right. 00:18:57.039 --> 00:19:04.400 Um I feel like people may disagree with this, but I feel like everything we do in life is performative. 00:19:04.720 --> 00:19:05.039 Yeah. 00:19:05.440 --> 00:19:15.599 So when I create like while you were talking, uh immediately I was like, well, I'm just myself. 00:19:15.599 --> 00:19:31.680 But like you are uh when when people create content, yeah, you're just yourself, but you're like maybe an aspect of yourself that you do not exhibit constantly. 00:19:31.680 --> 00:19:44.079 You know, for me, I think by and large, I think it's easier for me because like certain things are just a straight up stream of consciousness. 00:19:44.079 --> 00:19:44.559 Yeah. 00:19:44.559 --> 00:19:54.880 Uh because I have ADHD and also uh for anyone listening, I just want to point out Jaw said taking off temper your expectations. 00:19:54.880 --> 00:20:09.920 Because but like I first started making TikToks just so I could be more comfortable being on camera. 00:20:09.920 --> 00:20:23.039 Um and I think I am more comfortable doing that than like I have up until recently. 00:20:23.039 --> 00:20:41.279 Like I uh I was kind of on a I don't want to say a height, like a slow, like a down period of like I wasn't creating a lot, which is funny, funnily enough, my mom yesterday uh well actually I rewind just a little bit on like Monday. 00:20:41.279 --> 00:20:57.839 I made a TikTok and I was like, I need to make more TikToks so that my mom has more of her favorite show to watch because she's joked that she's she'll like get ready to go to bed and like let's turn on uh what's happening in Lloyd's live show. 00:20:57.839 --> 00:21:03.759 And yesterday I saw her and she was like, Have you been making TikToks? 00:21:03.759 --> 00:21:11.279 Because I haven't seen anything, and I was like, I guess this is the metric I'm gonna hold myself to, right? 00:21:11.279 --> 00:21:16.319 When my mom starts asking me if I've been making TikToks, I should probably be making more TikToks.

00:21:16.640 --> 00:21:17.359 Oh, I love that. 00:21:17.839 --> 00:21:18.960 Do you hear my clock? 00:21:19.839 --> 00:21:21.359 No, I don't think it's interesting. 00:21:22.079 --> 00:21:23.039 It's fairly loud. 00:21:23.039 --> 00:21:24.720 You can hear it across our apartment. 00:21:24.720 --> 00:21:27.680 I I have a Kingdom Hearts clock. 00:21:27.680 --> 00:21:30.240 Uh Kingdom Hearts is a very popular video game. 00:21:30.240 --> 00:21:30.960 I I I like that. 00:21:31.200 --> 00:21:32.240 You've brought that before, yeah. 00:21:32.480 --> 00:21:32.880 Yes. 00:21:32.880 --> 00:21:34.799 Uh and I've probably asked that question. 00:21:34.799 --> 00:21:45.359 I forget that it plays music from the series on the at the top of the hour if uh if there's enough light in the room. 00:21:45.359 --> 00:21:48.160 And I left I left my blinds open. 00:21:48.400 --> 00:21:48.960 Oh, that's funny. 00:21:49.119 --> 00:21:50.319 And I just I just heard it. 00:21:50.319 --> 00:21:54.000 So um that's why I was asking. 00:21:54.640 --> 00:21:56.000 I love your TikToks. 00:21:56.000 --> 00:21:59.519 Like I like throughout my work day, like I get notifications. 00:21:59.519 --> 00:22:01.119 Oh, Lloyd posted something. 00:22:01.119 --> 00:22:02.559 Oh, Lloyd posted something. 00:22:02.559 --> 00:22:04.160 I always was curious about that. 00:22:04.160 --> 00:22:09.759 Like, do you like pre-post and like no, like they're like you're posting them in real time? 00:22:10.079 --> 00:22:10.559 Yeah. 00:22:10.880 --> 00:22:11.200 Okay. 00:22:11.599 --> 00:22:21.359 I don't I don't think there's anything I ever I mean, there's probably a couple I've like recorded and then like saved as a draft and then and but I try not to do that anymore. 00:22:21.359 --> 00:22:23.680 Like I try not to have anything on drafts. 00:22:23.680 --> 00:22:28.240 Um I just will post things as I think of them, you know. 00:22:28.240 --> 00:22:33.759 Or even uh sometimes I won't even have like an idea before I post. 00:22:33.759 --> 00:22:39.599 You know, I'll just open TikTok, turn on the camera, and say something. 00:22:39.920 --> 00:22:40.319 Really? 00:22:40.799 --> 00:22:41.359 Yeah. 00:22:41.359 --> 00:22:41.839 You know. 00:22:42.160 --> 00:22:44.640 But you have stuff to say, because that's what I was saying to my sister. 00:22:44.640 --> 00:22:46.319 My sister's like, oh, you missed the boat. 00:22:46.319 --> 00:22:56.799 Like, you know, I was I saw this like TikTok, I saw a social media post where someone was saying that her and a group of girls, like they do social media and they do they have content that they create and they're making money off of it. 00:22:56.799 --> 00:22:59.279 And she and some of it has to do with their families and their kids. 00:22:59.279 --> 00:23:01.440 And I was like, Yeah, I'm not really into that. 00:23:01.440 --> 00:23:14.319 And I was like, but you I feel like you have to have sort of a direction or a little bit of a like a like something that like anchors

you into like the direction that you kind of go in, you know what I'm saying? 00:23:14.319 --> 00:23:31.759 And and and or like an interesting story, or you know, something that some people like do the shock value, you know, like I am a mom that's 40 that survived colon cancer, you know, or I'm a, you know, I I don't know, something something devastating. 00:23:31.759 --> 00:23:32.720 I might cut that out. 00:23:32.720 --> 00:23:34.400 Cut that out. 00:23:34.400 --> 00:23:40.559 Like but like you started off like like you said, to get more comfortable in front of the camera. 00:23:40.559 --> 00:23:50.079 And I feel like I love it because it's like these little like snippets of Lloyd's brain, you know, like little journal entries, you know. 00:23:50.079 --> 00:23:53.119 Yeah, I mean And that's like a direction. 00:23:55.359 --> 00:24:06.880 Uh you know, uh maybe if the direction is everywhere all at once, and uh you know, uh yeah, oh man. 00:24:06.880 --> 00:24:07.839 Yeah, yeah. 00:24:07.839 --> 00:24:32.000 Um I think that I have ideas of like where I would want things to go, but there are also mental blocks in regards to like mental and logistical physical, because I work a full-time job uh and do a lot of stuff outside like TikToks. 00:24:32.000 --> 00:24:43.599 Like if you think I post a lot of TikToks, like if you're a person who follows me on TikTok and is like, oh my god, this guy's posting all the time, how does he do that? 00:24:43.599 --> 00:24:58.720 You would be so surprised to find out that as far as creative stuff goes, TikTok is like so low on the totem pole that it takes so little of my time, you know, except for the days, like there were a couple days where I was like, I'm gonna make a hundred TikToks in a day. 00:24:58.960 --> 00:24:59.680 Oh my gosh. 00:25:00.240 --> 00:25:07.279 Those are those those take up a lot of time, but it's like I'm always doing something. 00:25:07.279 --> 00:25:21.599 Like I spent most of this morning holding a fucking boom pole because I'm, you know, I do uh like there's a sketch group that some friends I know from Impo Improv, you know, we put together. 00:25:21.599 --> 00:25:24.000 So like we're filming sketches. 00:25:24.000 --> 00:25:24.720 That's cool. 00:25:24.720 --> 00:25:27.440 You know, yeah, it is, it's really cool, you know. 00:25:27.440 --> 00:25:34.400 It's it's one of those things where like you have to like if you want to do things, you have to create those opportunities yourself. 00:25:34.400 --> 00:26:03.839 But I I think for me the hardest thing about content creation when it comes to TikTok specifically is that between TikTok and YouTube, because I don't I want to start a YouTube channel, um I am doing so much already that I do not have the energy to document everything I'm doing. 00:26:04.640 --> 00:26:04.880 Right. 00:26:05.440 --> 00:26:19.359 You know, and I feel like if I documented everything I was doing, honestly, I would really, like, really grow like a social media following that would generate opportunities and income. 00:26:19.359 --> 00:26:38.559 And you know, it's it's uh important to acknowledge like the the the fact that I know that's a possibility is is good, but like actually doing that is very different than I know talking about it. 00:26:38.559 --> 00:26:39.839 Knowing that yeah. 00:26:40.079 --> 00:26:42.559 Or knowing and then talking about it and then creating it. 00:26:42.559 --> 00:26:44.160 That's another thing I said to my sister. 00:26:44.160 --> 00:27:03.039 I was like, it's not just something that like some people, you know, it takes thought and you know, there's a lot of people that are out there that do content creation that also is like helps promote maybe programs that they've created or helps like voice actors or on-camera actors to get exposure, or they're sharing information, they might be a coach, you know what I'm saying? 00:27:03.039 --> 00:27:04.640 So it is valuable. 00:27:04.640 --> 00:27:11.519 Um, I just was like, I don't know if I have any, like without the verbiage, I don't know if I have like a shtick about me. 00:27:11.519 --> 00:27:12.240 You know what I'm saying? 00:27:12.240 --> 00:27:19.519 Like, and I don't know if so, like some people have like something about them that they can share, and I don't have anything, you know what I'm saying? 00:27:19.519 --> 00:27:23.920 And then it's like also trying to figure out I don't know if I'm that interesting. 00:27:23.920 --> 00:27:26.319 Like, you know, you know what I'm saying? 00:27:26.319 --> 00:27:27.759 It's hard to think about. 00:27:27.759 --> 00:27:29.759 I find you very interesting. 00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:32.640 Like, I think the things that you talk about are interesting. 00:27:32.640 --> 00:27:35.920 I was like, wow, and they're relatable too, you know. 00:27:35.920 --> 00:27:39.920 I think that that's what holds some people back from I don't know. 00:27:39.920 --> 00:27:42.000 I have a love-hate relationship with social media. 00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:53.200 I do it because I think I have to, and I do it to like keep up with like business-related stuff, you know, and do stuff with a podcast. 00:27:53.200 --> 00:28:00.799 But like I've kind of given up on creating content to promote, I don't know, to promote, I don't know how to explain it. 00:28:00.799 --> 00:28:01.599 You know what I'm saying? 00:28:01.599 --> 00:28:04.720 Because it's like it's a lot of work. 00:28:05.359 --> 00:28:06.000 Yeah. 00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:13.519 So uh you started to say that you think that holds people back and you didn't finish the sentence. 00:28:13.519 --> 00:28:15.839 Uh finish it for me. 00:28:15.839 --> 00:28:25.920 No, I'm not gonna finish it for you, but I am gonna say that I think the only things that hold anybody back from anything is capacity and fear. 00:28:26.160 --> 00:28:28.000 Yeah, that's fear, fear, and afraid. 00:28:28.000 --> 00:28:28.720 Yeah, yeah. 00:28:28.960 --> 00:28:30.559 Do you have the capacity to do

it? 00:28:30.559 --> 00:28:31.119 Yes. 00:28:31.119 --> 00:28:32.160 Why haven't you done it? 00:28:32.160 --> 00:28:33.279 Because you're afraid to do it. 00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:38.799 You want to do it, but there's something stopping you that is rooted in fear, in my mind. 00:28:38.799 --> 00:28:39.759 That's my opinion. 00:28:39.920 --> 00:28:40.319 Yeah. 00:28:40.559 --> 00:28:54.960 Um, you know, because it because it is one of those things where, like, even if you don't have the capacity, you could, and I'm not I'm not saying that anyone should overextend themselves, but people do overextend themselves for the sake of. 00:28:54.960 --> 00:28:56.559 Leave me alone, Zoom. 00:28:56.559 --> 00:28:57.920 I'm not raising my hand. 00:28:58.480 --> 00:28:59.759 I was gonna say, what's happening? 00:28:59.839 --> 00:29:03.599 Oh, gosh dang, you can just leave it. 00:29:03.599 --> 00:29:05.119 It just it bugs me. 00:29:05.119 --> 00:29:17.119 Now we're out of the sides, but I I I you know, people all the time will be like, you know, what are you willing to give up for the sake of blah, blah, blah, whatever. 00:29:17.119 --> 00:29:20.240 You know, and I and I and I think that works for some people. 00:29:20.240 --> 00:29:30.720 I would never tell somebody to like overextend themselves to uh to progress, yeah. 00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:33.519 Even though that is straight up what I do. 00:29:33.519 --> 00:29:38.240 Uh I like legitimately, I'm so low energy right now. 00:29:38.240 --> 00:29:48.319 Like, I took a 30-minute nap before I got on this call because I was like, okay, well, I had three improv shows this week, and I, oh, you know what I can do? 00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:49.839 That's exciting. 00:29:49.839 --> 00:29:52.400 Let's talk about your improv though. 00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:59.680 Like, I think it's exciting that you're like, I think it's so cool that you're like in a position where you can, like you said, you're working full-time. 00:29:59.680 --> 00:30:05.680 You are working on putting yourself out there on by creating content on social media. 00:30:05.680 --> 00:30:14.079 And like you said, like TikTok is like a pretty user-friendly, easy platform to do stuff like, and especially like the direction that you've chosen. 00:30:14.079 --> 00:30:18.559 Like you're just, you know, they're little snippets of pieces of information or little like thoughts. 00:30:18.559 --> 00:30:19.839 Like they're like thought bubbles. 00:30:19.839 --> 00:30:22.720 I feel like they're like thought bubbles that come out of your brain. 00:30:23.039 --> 00:30:23.599 Right, right. 00:30:23.839 --> 00:30:29.680 And you're very, you know, and are just like random pieces of information, or you know, like so. 00:30:29.680 --> 00:30:30.559 I think that's cool. 00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:32.640 But like you also do improv. 00:30:32.960 --> 00:30:33.440 Right. 00:30:33.680 --> 00:30:54.799 And then like now you're thinking about doing theater, and like you've gotten your headshots

done, you know, like, and you're putting yourself out there to to not only do voiceover, but also improv on stage, theater on stage, on camera stuff, like hello, you know, pushing out content on social media. 00:30:54.799 --> 00:30:59.599 Like, this is an entirely different Lloyd than five years ago, you know? 00:30:59.599 --> 00:31:00.480 It's exciting. 00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:02.640 Yeah, most definitely. 00:31:02.640 --> 00:31:05.599 Uh I yeah. 00:31:05.599 --> 00:31:13.599 Uh, you know what's crazy is so I'm gonna fix some things really quick because it's gonna bug me. 00:31:13.599 --> 00:31:18.799 My my camera's wire is so uh it's not long. 00:31:18.799 --> 00:31:29.119 Oh it it well, it's it it I never know if I can reach it forward on my monitor without uh it completely deciding to just fall off the back of my computer. 00:31:29.119 --> 00:31:30.640 So I always leave it low. 00:31:30.640 --> 00:31:32.960 But golly. 00:31:33.359 --> 00:31:33.759 Looks good. 00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:35.680 How well can you can you still hear me pretty well? 00:31:36.160 --> 00:31:38.000 Yeah, nothing's changed. 00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:38.960 It looks great. 00:31:39.279 --> 00:31:42.240 I just I really need to get other lighting in this booth. 00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:45.200 It's always I've like I have one lamp. 00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:54.160 Uh I used to have when I before before I moved, I actually had lights, but I just didn't feel like putting them back up because long story. 00:31:54.160 --> 00:31:59.759 Um okay, as long as you can long as you can hear me and see me, and I have this giant shadow that I hate. 00:31:59.839 --> 00:32:01.359 But I I have shadows too. 00:32:01.359 --> 00:32:03.839 I mean, like I always work, it's like, you know, it is what it is. 00:32:03.839 --> 00:32:06.000 But I like it's like God. 00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:09.039 So I just you're doing it all. 00:32:09.039 --> 00:32:09.359 Yeah. 00:32:09.599 --> 00:32:09.839 Yeah. 00:32:09.839 --> 00:32:32.480 What I was gonna say was uh the crazy thing is, so I started like I started pursuing voiceover in I wanna say twenty twenty one-one. 00:32:33.200 --> 00:32:33.759 Yeah. 00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:34.640 Right. 00:32:34.640 --> 00:32:53.279 And January twenty-seventh uh no January twenty-send, twenty twenty nope it wasn't January twenty-seventh, twenty twenty-two was the fur that was the first time I ever went to an improv show. 00:32:53.279 --> 00:33:00.160 And you were a part of that, as was as were everyone who is on this podcast. 00:33:00.400 --> 00:33:00.799 Yeah. 00:33:01.039 --> 00:33:10.559 Uh, because there was a like a real question of if I was gonna go or not, and you guys kind of uh uh encouraged you. 00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:13.359 Encouraged, coerced. 00:33:13.359 --> 00:33:23.440 Um but I uh but the crazy thing is, you know, it's 2026, you know, and I I went to that show. 00:33:23.440 --> 00:33:28.319 Uh it's the group is called Bleach Improv or Troop, I should say, Bleach Improv. 00:33:28.319 --> 00:33:32.799 They've been doing improv in Vegas for over a decade for sure. 00:33:32.799 --> 00:33:44.480 Um and then I, you know, a few months later, I was like, I'll take these classes because we've talked about Brent Mukai so many times, he's fucking amazing. 00:33:44.480 --> 00:33:49.599 He was like, if I want to do, if you want to do character stuff, you have to have strong improv skills. 00:33:49.599 --> 00:33:57.200 And so like the combination of me having gone to that show and him saying that, I ended up taking classes, went through all their classes. 00:33:57.200 --> 00:34:02.640 And there's a lot of like so much stuff that like fast forward to now, yeah. 00:34:02.640 --> 00:34:07.680 Fast forward to uh I guess we'll say this last week. 00:34:07.680 --> 00:34:26.480 Um, there is uh for people who are like who are not, I guess, entertainment mind minded, there are uh like training centers, much like the voice actor studio for voice acting, you know, there's uh UCB, Growling, Second City, uh that are like acting, comedy. 00:34:26.480 --> 00:34:32.239 Uh some friends and I decided to start taking classes at UCB in LA. 00:34:32.239 --> 00:34:51.920 Uh and it was weird because when I first started improv hearing about these places, uh there's like a it's like this tower up on a hill that you know, you you you learn about the people who have gone through these places that like are on SNL and like in movies and like, you know, yeah. 00:34:51.920 --> 00:34:58.239 Uh it's like, oh my God, that's like the end all be all of improv, which is not the case, right? 00:34:58.239 --> 00:35:16.400 Because I for the past, I don't uh not the past now, but uh a week ago, last Sunday, I finished it UCB has like their core track of cla core improv is like 101 through 401. 00:35:16.400 --> 00:35:16.639 Yeah. 00:35:16.639 --> 00:35:19.199 So last weekend I finished 401. 00:35:19.440 --> 00:35:19.840 Wow. 00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:21.840 Uh which is like a really big deal. 00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:22.320 Yeah. 00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:23.920 It's it's a really big deal. 00:35:23.920 --> 00:35:35.039 But it is also, I think a lot of people in the class we agreed that it was very helpful and also largely a reminder of how much more we have to grow. 00:35:35.039 --> 00:35:35.920 Oh yeah. 00:35:35.920 --> 00:35:45.599 You know, uh someone out someone said to me, uh someone said to me yesterday, actually, that like completing 401 is the first step of proving that you're serious. 00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:48.000 Yeah, yeah, right, yeah. 00:35:48.000 --> 00:36:02.719 But the crazy thing about that is timing-wise, I finished UCB 401 and later during the I finished that on Sunday, and on Thursday, I was invited to play with Bleach Improv. 00:36:02.719 --> 00:36:13.760 The people who I first saw do improv, who I first learned improv on from, I was invited to play in their monthly show with them. 00:36:13.760 --> 00:36:14.480 Wow. 00:36:14.480 --> 00:36:16.400 Which

was like a huge deal. 00:36:16.400 --> 00:36:18.480 You know? 00:36:18.480 --> 00:36:18.800 Yeah. 00:36:18.800 --> 00:36:25.679 And then I had two other shows like the next day. 00:36:25.679 --> 00:36:44.880 Um, and but the thing that was very interesting about Bleach specifically is that the theater where I primarily do improv mom's basement theater, uh, Bleach was at a place called Vegas Theater Company, then they went to mom's basement, now they've gone back to Vegas Theater Company. 00:36:44.880 --> 00:37:07.360 But for a lot of people that I know in Vegas who do improv, uh Bleach uh Bleach is the only for a long time, and still really outside of comedy sports, but this which is short form, has been the only consistent uh troupe doing things for the longest time. 00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:10.079 Like the only people who have like have their own show. 00:37:10.079 --> 00:37:20.400 Uh and and there might be there's one that's like like it's like a church group, and I can't remember the name of it, but yeah, that's okay. 00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:30.719 Uh but they were like on a pedestal, you know, for I fucking had them, I had them on a pedestal for so long. 00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:30.960 Yeah. 00:37:31.119 --> 00:37:40.159 And so when I was invited to play with them, one of the things that I was like really kind of worried about was like, these people have so much experience. 00:37:40.159 --> 00:37:51.119 Like, like they've been doing improv more than three to four times as long as I've been doing improv. 00:37:51.440 --> 00:37:51.679 Right. 00:37:51.920 --> 00:37:52.400 You know? 00:37:52.400 --> 00:38:06.320 Uh and I was like worried that going out and playing with them would be a situation where like I kinda stuck out as like the sore thumb, the guy who like didn't really know what was going on. 00:38:06.320 --> 00:38:13.920 And I have a friend uh in LA who does like a lot of musical theater. 00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:17.199 Uh their name is Chantilly. 00:38:17.199 --> 00:38:31.199 Uh and I was talking to them about an audition that I did that I actually told you I auditioned for Bloody Bloody Andrew Jackson at a place called Yeah, Majestic Repertory Theater. 00:38:31.199 --> 00:38:32.000 Love them. 00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:42.000 Got a call back, did not, I was not cast, but part of it was because I it was my first ever callback and it was a cattle call. 00:38:42.000 --> 00:39:00.400 Uh for people who don't know what that means, it means you auditioned in front of a director and maybe a couple other people, and you come back for the callback, and you're in the room with everyone else who is auditioning. 00:39:00.400 --> 00:39:04.239 So you're like watching all of these people, you're like, oh my god, they're so good. 00:39:04.239 --> 00:39:07.119 I am the least experienced person in this room. 00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:10.559 And I definitely I definitely let my nerves get to me. 00:39:10.559 --> 00:39:20.800 Um, but one thing they said to me that I did

not do because I let my nerves get to me, they were like, you have to treat it like it's already your job. 00:39:21.039 --> 00:39:21.360 Right. 00:39:21.599 --> 00:39:25.599 Go in there, you've been invited to be here, they want you there, do the work. 00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:26.079 Yeah. 00:39:26.320 --> 00:39:29.760 And I remembered that before the Bleach show. 00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:30.400 Good. 00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:33.360 So that's you know, kind of the mindset that I had. 00:39:33.360 --> 00:39:34.639 And it was a great show. 00:39:34.880 --> 00:39:35.360 That's awesome. 00:39:35.599 --> 00:39:37.360 You know, I I had a good time. 00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:47.760 Uh, a lot of people I know from the improv community, as well as like uh uh mainly improv community, uh came to support, and they're like, oh, so good, blah, blah. 00:39:48.000 --> 00:39:48.960 You know, yeah. 00:39:49.119 --> 00:39:50.639 Yeah, it was a fun time. 00:39:50.639 --> 00:39:58.320 And I I think that was I think that I've been I've been thinking about it for the last three days. 00:39:58.320 --> 00:40:05.119 Um, just knowing that it felt like I was supposed to be there. 00:40:05.119 --> 00:40:05.679 Yes. 00:40:05.679 --> 00:40:12.960 And to people who don't know anything about me who were in the crowd, it looked like I was supposed to be there. 00:40:12.960 --> 00:40:13.840 Right. 00:40:13.840 --> 00:40:31.119 Is um I I can't really uh put words I I I I I want to say that it like instills a level of confidence in me that I don't think I had before. 00:40:31.119 --> 00:40:45.840 Uh and and really like building confidence is is in any regard just doing the thing over and over and over until you know you're not uncomfortable with it anymore. 00:40:46.079 --> 00:40:46.880 Exactly. 00:40:47.119 --> 00:40:59.760 But uh, you know, uh it was just crazy because like I've been invited to be in shows, like I I'm I'm into shows that happen monthly already. 00:40:59.760 --> 00:41:03.280 I've been in lots of shows. 00:41:03.280 --> 00:41:06.639 Four other shows, four to six other shows, you know. 00:41:06.639 --> 00:41:15.360 But it was the first time I was like, oh, okay, you know, this is like there's not there's no question here, you know. 00:41:15.360 --> 00:41:16.960 I'm supposed to be out here. 00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:18.960 And I like that's awesome. 00:41:18.960 --> 00:41:23.760 I think that was the first time, and I've been doing improv for four years. 00:41:23.760 --> 00:41:31.199 And that was probably the first time I was like, yeah, this is where like nobody can tell me I'm not supposed to be here right now. 00:41:31.360 --> 00:41:31.760 Right. 00:41:31.760 --> 00:41:33.760 You know, it's an amazing thing. 00:41:33.760 --> 00:41:34.800 That's awesome. 00:41:34.800 --> 00:41:53.679 Like I that I think that kind of like circles back to like what I was, you know, saying before, where it's like taking the opportunities that are presented to you, or like you said, creating the opportunities for yourself and then stepping out of your way. 00:41:53.679 --> 00:41:54.639 You know what I'm saying? 00:41:54.639 --> 00:41:56.880 Like step out of your way, don't create a problem. 00:41:56.880 --> 00:42:05.360 Because all too often, like I was back to like the whole worried about, you know, oh my gosh, I sent my my work to this other department. 00:42:05.360 --> 00:42:07.679 Like, what are they really thinking about it? 00:42:07.679 --> 00:42:11.440 And then like, just don't worry about it, breathe, you know? 00:42:11.440 --> 00:42:14.000 And then like, and then have then they send you a project. 00:42:14.000 --> 00:42:17.199 And then I was like, I was doing exactly what you you were talking about. 00:42:17.199 --> 00:42:19.519 I was like, oh no, am I supposed to be doing this? 00:42:19.519 --> 00:42:20.880 Should I can I do this? 00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:23.199 Can I, can I actually voice this? 00:42:23.199 --> 00:42:24.000 You know what I'm saying? 00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:25.199 Like, should I should I even be here? 00:42:25.199 --> 00:42:27.679 And I'm like, no, yes, I am here for a reason. 00:42:27.679 --> 00:42:29.280 I'm supposed to be here, just like you said. 00:42:29.280 --> 00:42:32.000 I'm supposed to be here on the stage with these people. 00:42:32.000 --> 00:42:48.079 I belong here, and finding having that like epiphany, that moment where you're like, I'm here, I belong here, and that mind shift, you know, yeah, and everything clicks in place. 00:42:48.079 --> 00:43:05.280 It's like, wow, you know, like holy shit, you know, like this is where I'm supposed to be, you know, and like looking back and reflecting like you, you know, on the five years that got you to the journey that got you to where you are, you know? 00:43:05.280 --> 00:43:19.360 It's like everyone always says, yeah, you know, there's gonna be some missteps, yeah, there's gonna be some hiccups, yeah, there's gonna be some disappointments, but all that was set in place on purpose to get you to where you're supposed to be. 00:43:19.599 --> 00:43:19.920 Right. 00:43:20.079 --> 00:43:26.000 And it's hard to think like that when you're in it and you're trudging through it. 00:43:26.000 --> 00:43:30.480 You know, it's hard to be like we still have work to do, right? 00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:34.880 We have still places to go, you know, but yeah. 00:43:34.960 --> 00:43:37.360 I think you know so excited for you. 00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:40.480 Yay! I wanna I wanna squeeze you. 00:43:40.800 --> 00:43:48.559 Oh my I I I was at work one day, like two weeks ago. 00:43:48.559 --> 00:43:50.800 Um, it was a Monday, I remember that. 00:43:50.800 --> 00:43:54.320 I texted our friend Sandy, who's been on the podcast before. 00:43:54.559 --> 00:43:56.000 Yeah, Sandy Buck. 00:43:56.239 --> 00:43:56.719 Yeah. 00:43:56.719 --> 00:44:07.519 I texted her because I had it, and I hate I don't like feeling like I'm wax poeticing, but sometimes I just can't stop. 00:44:07.519 -->

00:44:10.719 Like I think in a very wax poetic way. 00:44:10.719 --> 00:44:17.039 And I just had this thought that I I don't even like saying it out loud because it feels so sappy. 00:44:17.039 --> 00:44:47.920 Uh but I I texted her and I was like, I just had the the the like feeling that things for me are like really about to blow up, but only if I do not allow the various fears that I know will rear their ugly fucking heads to slow me down from doing what I need to be doing. 00:44:47.920 --> 00:44:48.400 Right. 00:44:48.400 --> 00:45:01.360 Which is which is that's actually why I was complaining uh in our WhatsApp about uh agencies that don't put information on their sites. 00:45:01.360 --> 00:45:06.239 I know it's fucking because I was I had spent that whole day applying to agencies. 00:45:06.239 --> 00:45:12.000 You know, and I was like I just was like, well, if I'm gonna do it, I'm gonna fucking do it. 00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:19.599 Yeah, you know, so I started sending applications and I sent one to an agency that never responded to me back in June of last year. 00:45:19.599 --> 00:45:22.639 Because I'm like, respond to me or tell me no. 00:45:22.719 --> 00:45:23.039 Yeah. 00:45:23.199 --> 00:45:25.599 Because I'm going to keep sending your message. 00:45:25.840 --> 00:45:31.199 Um it's good, persistent, being persistent, you know, creating opportunities for yourself. 00:45:31.199 --> 00:45:34.079 It's like, you know, being the solution, you know, you never know. 00:45:34.079 --> 00:45:37.199 It's all about timing and you just have to keep going, you know. 00:45:37.519 --> 00:45:37.840 Yeah. 00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:41.519 And I I'm gonna side note, I'm uh this is specific. 00:45:41.519 --> 00:45:46.960 If we like ever have an actual agent watching and you see me right now, I need you. 00:45:47.519 --> 00:45:48.079 Yeah. 00:45:49.599 --> 00:46:02.880 Don't expect people to tailor make their introductory emails to you when you have no information about your agency on your site. 00:46:02.880 --> 00:46:03.199 Right. 00:46:03.199 --> 00:46:04.239 I don't know what you like. 00:46:04.239 --> 00:46:07.519 I don't know what kind of people you like, I don't know what you stand for. 00:46:07.519 --> 00:46:11.920 Like, ah so frustrating. 00:46:11.920 --> 00:46:12.639 Yes. 00:46:12.639 --> 00:46:16.079 Yeah, you know, because it is like, why am I wasting my time? 00:46:16.079 --> 00:46:25.920 I don't want to say wasting my time, but why am I no, it is a waste of time for me to try to meet your expectations when your expectations aren't there. 00:46:26.639 --> 00:46:30.639 I have figured out that like I cannot meet anybody's expectations. 00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:38.719 And like I figured out that like I don't even like when I submit to stuff, like it's like everyone's like, Well, how did you go about doing that? 00:46:38.719 --> 00:46:40.400 I'm like, here's my thought process. 00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:43.199 I want to do this, I want to submit to agents. 00:46:43.199 --> 00:46:52.480 I overthink everything, throw it all out the window, say, fuck it, send them my stuff, fill out the application, hit send, and then I'm done. 00:46:52.480 --> 00:46:55.440 Like I literally just say, Hey, I'm Jocelyn. 00:46:55.440 --> 00:46:58.800 I'm in, you know, I can't wait to talk to you. 00:46:58.800 --> 00:47:12.079 Here's the information that you're looking for, or I just submit the application that they have up on their site and give them everything that they're looking for, you know, because I'm a professional, I'm professional grade over here, you know, and then and then I'm done. 00:47:12.079 --> 00:47:15.280 And like sometimes, sometimes I'll reapply every three months. 00:47:15.280 --> 00:47:17.679 Sometimes I'll reapply every six months. 00:47:17.679 --> 00:47:28.000 Sometimes, sometimes, you know, if something new comes up, like I, you know, if I've been something new happened, you know, maybe, yeah, maybe I'll I'll submit. 00:47:28.000 --> 00:47:29.519 It's usually like three to six months. 00:47:29.519 --> 00:47:35.119 Like I try not to be super annoying, but you know, like I what's the harm? 00:47:35.119 --> 00:47:41.519 I'm not being annoying, I'm not sending long emails, I'm following the process, like I'm being persistent and consistent. 00:47:41.519 --> 00:47:47.199 And it's all about timing, luck, and maybe I might be the exact thing that they're looking for. 00:47:47.199 --> 00:47:51.519 I might be the solution, you know, like I might be the sl you might be the solution. 00:47:51.519 --> 00:47:59.039 You just don't know, you know, and all too often I think people are like, well, I want it to be perfect, or I maybe I shouldn't do this, or maybe I shouldn't do that. 00:47:59.039 --> 00:47:59.760 No, fuck it. 00:47:59.760 --> 00:48:07.840 You gotta go from like, I'm gonna do this, overthink it, throw it out the window, say fuck it, hit send, be done with it. 00:48:08.079 --> 00:48:16.800 You know, and uh, you know, the crazy uh this is an intrusive thought, but I literally, while you were talking about that, I was like, why would I overthink it when I can go play Xbox? 00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:18.320 I haven't played Xbox in a month. 00:48:18.320 --> 00:48:20.559 So like I I love game. 00:48:20.559 --> 00:48:23.280 I've been so fucking busy. 00:48:23.920 --> 00:48:25.280 But it's good busy. 00:48:25.280 --> 00:48:27.679 Like, yeah, I think it's so exciting. 00:48:27.679 --> 00:48:41.440 Like, I I I I know we're like we're we're gonna wind things down, but I think it's so exciting that like if you look at where you and I were five years ago, we were contemplating whether or not we should take a voiceover class. 00:48:41.760 --> 00:48:42.159 Right. 00:48:42.400 --> 00:48:45.280 You know, and then we started taking voice acting classes. 00:48:45.280 --> 00:48:55.360 And then, you know, and then fast forward to now, you're getting headshots done, you know, you're putting yourself out there on TikTok

and creating content. 00:48:55.360 --> 00:48:59.599 Um, you know, you're you're you're out on the stage doing improv. 00:48:59.599 --> 00:49:06.800 You're taking classes in LA, you know, at places that like you didn't know were even reachable, you know? 00:49:06.800 --> 00:49:10.320 And you know, I'm I'm doing on-camera stuff. 00:49:10.320 --> 00:49:27.519 Like I've booked on-camera spot commercials, you know, been on set, like a real set, you know, I've done student films, um, I've voiced student films, you know, like it's it's I think too, we need to celebrate the fact that like we've come so far, you know what I'm saying? 00:49:27.519 --> 00:49:32.079 And that we're we're still here, we're still doing it, you know? 00:49:32.079 --> 00:49:38.400 And as much as we overthink things, you know, we still say fuck it and do it, you know? 00:49:38.400 --> 00:49:38.800 Right. 00:49:38.800 --> 00:49:47.039 And we're still here and we're still consistent and we're still trying to be the solution, you know, and and having fun doing it, you know. 00:49:47.039 --> 00:49:56.719 Um I and trying new things that we think that maybe we're not totally f the right fit for, maybe we're not super comfortable with, you know. 00:49:56.719 --> 00:49:59.039 Um, but we still do it anyways, you know. 00:49:59.039 --> 00:50:06.079 And I think that that's like the conversation that is like important to have, you know, like you don't have to be the best. 00:50:06.079 --> 00:50:08.719 And maybe you are really, really good at something. 00:50:08.719 --> 00:50:15.440 Great, do it, excel at it, but like you don't have to be the best to do to just do something. 00:50:15.440 --> 00:50:17.679 You just have to do it, you know. 00:50:17.679 --> 00:50:30.960 And I think looking back, like I'm proud of us, you know, we've done things that we didn't think we could do and had fun doing it, you know, and reinvented ourselves along the way, you know. 00:50:30.960 --> 00:50:33.119 And I think that's cool. 00:50:33.519 --> 00:50:34.960 Yeah, I think it's really cool. 00:50:34.960 --> 00:50:46.079 And I think there are a lot of like I uh if people knew how like pessimistic I was during the day, they would think I'm a very different person. 00:50:46.079 --> 00:50:53.679 I think there's like two people who know how pessimistic I am, and it's like Sandy and my friend Brianna, because I talk to them all day about how pissed off I am. 00:50:53.679 --> 00:51:13.280 Um but I recently uh have like really tried to remember and remind myself of because it's really my job just drives me fucking crazy. 00:51:13.280 --> 00:51:16.639 Uh which like I get common sentiment. 00:51:16.639 --> 00:51:20.159 I hate I'm gonna say it when people are like, aren't we all miserable? 00:51:20.159 --> 00:51:21.440 It's like we don't have to be. 00:51:21.519 --> 00:51:21.760 Yeah. 00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:44.480 But um, and that's that, you know, I one of the hardest things for me is that when I tell people that like my job

drives me crazy, people, I don't think people think about the fact that like if you work a job that you're not satisfied with, and like you've, you know, you uh I I've probably talked about this multiple times. 00:51:44.480 --> 00:51:49.599 As a matter of fact, um, actually, I'm not gonna say that because that's gonna get emotional. 00:51:49.840 --> 00:51:53.679 Uh oh my gosh, we just went in three different directions, but now we're back. 00:51:53.679 --> 00:51:54.559 Okay, so why are we? 00:51:54.880 --> 00:51:56.239 Well, it it's all related. 00:51:56.239 --> 00:52:03.039 It's just I was thinking about the times where I've talked about this, talked about this. 00:52:03.039 --> 00:52:04.159 Hating your job, yeah. 00:52:04.159 --> 00:52:13.360 And and and one of them uh was uh I don't know if maybe we cut this. 00:52:13.360 --> 00:52:13.920 I don't know. 00:52:13.920 --> 00:52:24.480 Um one of them was uh you know gab I don't know. 00:52:24.480 --> 00:52:35.280 I'm gonna ask this question not knowing like it for the for the reference of whether or not we should cut it. 00:52:35.280 --> 00:52:46.880 Um because I don't know, like I haven't been I haven't recorded with you guys since uh you know Frankie Oh since we lost Frankie, yeah. 00:52:46.880 --> 00:52:48.960 I don't know if that's something you guys have talked about. 00:52:49.280 --> 00:52:50.159 Not really, no. 00:52:50.159 --> 00:52:53.599 I mean, but like it's not really, not yet, you know. 00:52:53.840 --> 00:52:54.159 Yeah. 00:52:54.159 --> 00:52:58.719 And so uh I was just thinking about like it's okay. 00:52:58.719 --> 00:53:07.280 The uh it was just well after that happened, you know, Gabby posted a clip from us recording and talking about that. 00:53:07.280 --> 00:53:23.920 And I and I remember there was a clip where it starts with me saying I don't want to wake up in the morning and go do something that I didn't want to do in the first place and then not make it home that day. 00:53:23.920 --> 00:53:26.559 And the last thing I did was something that makes me miserable. 00:53:26.880 --> 00:53:27.039 Right. 00:53:27.599 --> 00:53:32.480 You know and that happens for so many people. 00:53:32.960 --> 00:53:33.119 Yeah. 00:53:33.599 --> 00:53:35.199 That happens for so many people. 00:53:35.199 --> 00:53:48.559 And for me, I don't think people under like the thing that frustrates me is I don't think people understand how much working a job that you are not content with takes out of you. 00:53:48.559 --> 00:53:51.760 Everybody's just like, well, I gotta do what I gotta do. 00:53:51.760 --> 00:53:55.519 And it like eats away at your soul. 00:53:55.519 --> 00:53:56.960 You know? 00:53:56.960 --> 00:54:08.320 And it's like you spend more waking hours of your life being in a place that makes you miserable than anything else in your life. 00:54:08.320 --> 00:54:23.760 So like I have had to really hone in on the things that do make me happy, and the opportunities I have been provided through,

you know. 00:54:23.760 --> 00:54:28.159 As my youngest, yeah. 00:54:28.159 --> 00:54:42.400 Uh and the the I you know, the thing the opportunities I've been provided, the people that I've been surrounded by, uh, and like the things that like keep me going. 00:54:42.400 --> 00:54:51.599 Cause like a couple like a couple of months ago, uh I I'm in a show called Improv is Blind, which also happens monthly at Mama's Basement Theater. 00:54:51.599 --> 00:55:00.400 But we went to uh Tulsa, Oklahoma to uh to we we did a set of our show there. 00:55:00.400 --> 00:55:09.519 Um at a theater that uh one of our uh true members, a guy named Brent, he used to live in Tulsa, so he was familiar with the theater. 00:55:09.519 --> 00:55:10.880 We, you know, yeah. 00:55:10.880 --> 00:55:14.239 And so we went there, did improv. 00:55:14.239 --> 00:55:31.440 Uh but the thing for me that was uh very I don't wanna maybe it is, and this is I I stopped myself because I was like, don't wax poetic. 00:55:31.440 --> 00:55:39.199 But I I I was like, I I think on the on the level of like someone having like a North Star, right? 00:55:39.199 --> 00:55:49.599 I went to the Greenwood Rising Museum, which is the museum that is where Black Wall Street used to be. 00:55:49.599 --> 00:55:52.960 Um for those who don't know about Black Wall Street. 00:55:53.920 --> 00:55:54.480 I've heard of it. 00:55:54.800 --> 00:55:55.119 Look it up. 00:55:55.119 --> 00:55:55.599 Look it up. 00:55:55.599 --> 00:55:58.559 It's is the Yeah. 00:55:58.559 --> 00:56:00.239 Uh all all you know. 00:56:00.239 --> 00:56:01.039 Google it. 00:56:01.039 --> 00:56:12.960 One of the most if not the most prosperous, uh predominantly black uh municipalities, neighborhoods, whatever that like the US has ever seen. 00:56:12.960 --> 00:56:17.119 And it was very vi like a lot of people died. 00:56:17.280 --> 00:56:21.760 Um you went to the museum. 00:56:22.239 --> 00:56:23.519 Yeah, I went to the museum. 00:56:23.679 --> 00:56:24.000 Uh-huh. 00:56:24.400 --> 00:56:30.800 And uh the whole experience of that I won't get into because I think that's a very personal thing. 00:56:30.800 --> 00:57:00.400 But at the end of the like when you're leaving the museum, they have this big wall of like placards that are like statements people have like made where it's like, I'll commit to building a better future because that like through this, you know, I'll be more uh more conscious of the way I walk in the world, you know, all these different things. 00:57:00.400 --> 00:57:10.880 And for me, mine was like the one that because they they have like the they have like an eye, they're like an I have iPads you can type in, like and it'll pop up on a thing. 00:57:10.880 --> 00:57:13.920 But the for me it was it like the iPad wasn't working that day. 00:57:13.920 --> 00:57:29.199 But I like for me as a personal commitment, yeah, I said that I will never stop uh being a large black man who takes up space in the arts. 00:57:29.920 --> 00:57:30.559 Oh wow. 00:57:31.679 --> 00:57:39.679 And that you know, that is something that is like very important to me. 00:57:39.920 --> 00:57:40.320 Yeah. 00:57:40.719 --> 00:57:47.840 Uh so that's like if we if we say that there's like a purpose, like I think at this point in my life, that's like what drives me. 00:57:47.840 --> 00:57:54.400 Like and it I think we separate like purpose, desire, and all these things, but like that's what that's like. 00:57:54.400 --> 00:58:11.119 Um so like remembering that that's what that's what I want to do, remembering the direction it's taking the the well that too, uh, but also, you know, the appreciating the journey. 00:58:11.119 --> 00:58:27.440 Yes, you know, because you know, not it's you know, people go to like improv festivals and stuff, but it's not uh not everybody who's doing improv is going to another state to do improv at a theater that they've never been at, you know. 00:58:27.679 --> 00:58:28.079 Right. 00:58:28.320 --> 00:58:46.480 Um I through like acting classes and stuff, like I just committed to and uh being like a script supervisor on a short film that like through like meeting people from other stuff. 00:58:46.480 --> 00:58:56.320 Yeah, and it's like all these opportunities, you know, are happening because I haven't stopped, right? 00:58:56.320 --> 00:59:16.400 And I have to remind myself that that's you know, I uh that because I haven't stopped, and also because I've continued actively uh striving to be a good person, yeah, and being a good people don't want to work with pieces of shit. 00:59:16.719 --> 00:59:18.480 Like yeah. 00:59:18.800 --> 00:59:25.280 Um that's no no no, I just you're doing all of it. 00:59:25.360 --> 00:59:54.400 Like that's what I was gonna say is like some people think, oh, I'm not this, I'm not an actor, I'm not this or that because I I'm not like on a TV show or I'm not on a film, but like it's all of what you're talking about, all the doing of all the things, being open to the opportunities, open to connecting, open to receiving, open to following through to opportunities that are presented to you or the ones that you created yourself and just experiencing it. 00:59:54.400 --> 00:59:55.920 You are an actor. 00:59:55.920 --> 01:00:24.559 You are doing it, you are doing all the things, and all of it collectively combined cre is like your creative experience, yeah, you know, and like I love that you said that you had that moment at that museum where you had like that download, that epiphany, that like and you put it on a placard, you know, and you like solidified it, you know, and like like that's like manifesting. 01:00:25.039 --> 01:00:25.440 Yeah. 01:00:25.760 --> 01:00:37.039 That's like, you know, you just made your um, you just manifest it, you know, like you created it this like, you know, you solidified it into the universe, you know. 01:00:37.039 --> 01:00:37.679 Right. 01:00:37.679 --> 01:00:45.119 It's in writing, you know, like you stamped it on

a wall, you know, and I think that's cool, you know? 01:00:45.119 --> 01:00:59.840 And I think that's important because I think all too often people think, well, I've I have to do this in order to do that, or I have to be at this point to be able to consider myself like whatever label you want to add to like who you are. 01:00:59.840 --> 01:01:03.119 And no, no, you just have to do it, you know? 01:01:03.360 --> 01:01:03.599 Yeah. 01:01:03.599 --> 01:01:06.079 You're that thing when you decide that you're that thing. 01:01:06.320 --> 01:01:07.119 Yeah, yeah. 01:01:07.280 --> 01:01:07.519 Yeah. 01:01:07.760 --> 01:01:08.719 That's so exciting. 01:01:08.880 --> 01:01:11.119 I know that's like a doctor or something. 01:01:11.119 --> 01:01:19.199 You can you can you can decide you are any sort of artist when you s when you decide you're gonna do the art and you start doing it. 01:01:19.360 --> 01:01:22.400 Yeah, you can't just be a doctor to and start doctoring. 01:01:22.400 --> 01:01:24.320 Like you probably need to go to school. 01:01:24.800 --> 01:01:27.599 I cannot just say I'm an optometrist. 01:01:29.119 --> 01:01:29.920 Right, right. 01:01:29.920 --> 01:01:31.440 In the creative realm. 01:01:31.440 --> 01:01:39.119 Let's like, let's like, you know, in the creative realm, if you decide that you're gonna do something, then you've decided and you're doing it, you know. 01:01:39.360 --> 01:01:39.840 Right. 01:01:40.159 --> 01:01:49.360 And and like I think that like in the beginning, looking back five years ago, we thought that like we had to do this, this, and this, or we had to be at a certain level to be able to say, like, I'm a voice actor. 01:01:49.360 --> 01:01:51.199 No, you're already a voice voice actor. 01:01:51.199 --> 01:01:51.519 No. 01:01:51.519 --> 01:01:55.679 Like, you know, I used to think like, oh, I have to be a certain age to be to be acting. 01:01:55.679 --> 01:02:02.000 No, I started acting as an older woman, you know, and I'm an actor. 01:02:02.000 --> 01:02:10.719 I mean, I'm you know, I'm doing it, I'm doing the things, you know, and and um and you should too, if you're listening. 01:02:11.039 --> 01:02:11.679 Yes. 01:02:11.679 --> 01:02:12.400 Yes. 01:02:12.400 --> 01:02:15.920 If if you want to act, if you well you should just do it. 01:02:16.239 --> 01:02:16.400 Yeah. 01:02:16.400 --> 01:02:25.599 If you want to reinvent yourself or there's something that you're excited that's passionate that you want to do in the creative realm, doesn't you should decide to do it and do it. 01:02:25.599 --> 01:02:33.199 And don't let like your full-time job hold you back, or you know, don't think that like because money does shouldn't hold you back either. 01:02:33.199 --> 01:02:50.079 Like that, like you said, there are other things out there that we've talked about before that you can find ways to like educate yourself, get training, learn, you know, or like volunteer your time, like you said, to like create opportunities to learn,

you know. 01:02:50.400 --> 01:02:50.800 Right. 01:02:50.800 --> 01:03:27.280 I will also add to that, don't let money hold you back, but also don't well, I I think there is a I'm not gonna I think there is a subcategory of people who want to do art who do themselves a disservice by saying, I'm gonna do it all on my own. 01:03:27.280 --> 01:03:35.840 I'm not gonna get training, I'm not gonna invest in the resources or equipment as far as you know, voiceover is concerned. 01:03:35.840 --> 01:03:47.599 You know, so just like if you're gonna do it, also be open to like what is considered to be standard for whatever that is, I guess I'll say. 01:03:47.599 --> 01:03:48.639 Yeah, that's okay. 01:03:48.639 --> 01:03:58.079 Don't just be like, I'm gonna act, and you spend 10 years doing whatever you want, and then you're like, you can't take direction, you know. 01:03:58.079 --> 01:03:58.880 Right, right. 01:03:58.880 --> 01:04:00.320 You know, stuff like that. 01:04:00.480 --> 01:04:01.280 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:04:01.280 --> 01:04:02.159 Absolutely. 01:04:02.800 --> 01:04:09.519 Because there's I think the more that I like do stuff, the more I see and hear people who do that. 01:04:09.519 --> 01:04:11.440 And I'm like, I'm just like, oh no. 01:04:11.440 --> 01:04:21.280 Well, it's just, you know, when you when you take classes and you like, you know, I don't want to talk about there's a website called I'll I'll say it, Casting Hall Club. 01:04:21.679 --> 01:04:23.119 Oh, casting call club, yeah. 01:04:23.280 --> 01:04:23.440 Right. 01:04:23.440 --> 01:04:26.639 On Casting Call Club, you can listen to everybody's auditions. 01:04:26.639 --> 01:04:33.679 And it's like, oh, this person recorded this audition in the bathroom with the fan on. 01:04:33.840 --> 01:04:34.559 Oh, yeah, yeah, right. 01:04:35.280 --> 01:04:41.920 Like, you know, and they have 300 auditions, and it's like, you're not gonna go anywhere doing that. 01:04:42.239 --> 01:04:42.480 Right, right. 01:04:42.719 --> 01:04:44.239 You know, but nobody's telling them. 01:04:44.480 --> 01:04:44.639 Right. 01:04:44.800 --> 01:04:45.039 You know. 01:04:45.440 --> 01:05:04.000 Take the time that in the the place that you decide to be creative, whatever like application, take the time to learn like the basic like stuff that you need to know in order to put your best foot forward because it's only it's gonna be a disservice to you and other people if you don't know what you're doing. 01:05:04.000 --> 01:05:06.880 That's why I was so happy that I found the voice actor studio. 01:05:06.880 --> 01:05:11.920 I was in radio for like 20 years and I've been doing voice, I've been voice acting for like a long time. 01:05:11.920 --> 01:05:16.400 But like when radio left me, and then my husband's like, just do voiceover. 01:05:16.400 --> 01:05:18.960 I'm like, okay, I'm just how am I to just do voiceover? 01:05:18.960 --> 01:05:24.320 Well, it was important for me to be trained and to understand because there's

it's it's such a it's a beast. 01:05:24.320 --> 01:05:25.199 It has Right. 01:05:25.360 --> 01:05:26.639 Stylistically, it's so different. 01:05:26.880 --> 01:05:27.280 Yeah, yeah. 01:05:27.280 --> 01:05:32.639 Just like if you're an artist or if you're you want to be a director, you want to be in films, or like you want to act. 01:05:32.639 --> 01:05:37.599 I mean, there's so many things you need to just have a basic understanding of the art. 01:05:38.079 --> 01:05:38.559 Right. 01:05:38.880 --> 01:05:41.679 Of you know, the path that you decide to go on. 01:05:41.679 --> 01:05:42.960 You need to understand that. 01:05:42.960 --> 01:05:44.960 I mean, you can't just yeah. 01:05:45.119 --> 01:05:45.519 I don't know. 01:05:45.519 --> 01:05:46.000 Yeah. 01:05:46.239 --> 01:05:46.639 Anyways. 01:05:46.800 --> 01:05:53.119 We could that's like a whole taste your dreams and get the the the necessary education to do so. 01:05:53.519 --> 01:05:54.079 Yes. 01:05:54.559 --> 01:05:55.199 Yes. 01:05:55.599 --> 01:05:56.159 Yes. 01:05:56.159 --> 01:05:57.280 Yes, exactly. 01:05:57.280 --> 01:06:02.239 That's uh you just opened up a whole can of worms because I was like I could go like right down that rabbit hole, like for sure. 01:06:02.239 --> 01:06:04.239 And we were gonna like run out of time. 01:06:04.239 --> 01:06:15.760 I am like, I wanted to hear more about like I just I I wanted to hear more about your your show and Tulsa uh you said like it was it like a cool really quickly, was it like a cool show? 01:06:15.760 --> 01:06:21.440 Like it was everything that you expected it to be and um everything I expected. 01:06:21.519 --> 01:06:23.760 I don't know if I had any real expectations. 01:06:23.760 --> 01:06:31.199 Um and I think in hindsight, that's a very good thing to do in improv. 01:06:31.199 --> 01:06:33.840 Uh not really have any expectations. 01:06:33.840 --> 01:06:35.519 What was the question you started to ask? 01:06:35.519 --> 01:06:36.159 Did it what? 01:06:36.400 --> 01:06:42.480 Did it like maybe it like exceeded your expectations, or maybe exceeded what you didn't even expect? 01:06:42.480 --> 01:06:43.280 You know what I'm saying? 01:06:43.519 --> 01:06:58.320 Like were you kind of like I think the expectation was we go, we do the art, the audience receives it, and that's what happens. 01:06:58.320 --> 01:07:03.280 You know, it because it was you know, it's not like we uh we weren't going to Tulsa to make money. 01:07:03.280 --> 01:07:04.000 Yeah, right. 01:07:04.000 --> 01:07:09.360 You don't you're you're doing improv, you're probably not making money off of it. 01:07:09.360 --> 01:07:13.599 Like there are very few people who make uh good money off of improv. 01:07:13.599 --> 01:07:21.119 Yeah, um, you know, but like we had a pretty good turnout. 01:07:21.119 --> 01:07:29.679 Um people enjoyed it, you know, and we got to play with and meet some pretty cool people in the process. 01:07:29.679 --> 01:07:32.000 Yeah, you know, and we'll probably go back. 01:07:32.000 --> 01:07:36.079 Like if you were talking about maybe going back in like October, you know. 01:07:36.079 --> 01:07:37.760 So that's good. 01:07:38.559 --> 01:07:52.960 I think that all too often people set uh also like you set out to like when you go into the creative realm that you're like instead, like I said, like that mindset of like shifting your mindset, like I'm a solution versus like going after like for a paycheck. 01:07:52.960 --> 01:07:53.599 You know what I'm saying? 01:07:53.599 --> 01:07:56.880 When I think I saw Brian Cranston like mention this on social media. 01:07:56.880 --> 01:08:01.920 He's like, if you like, you don't go into it as like I'm auditioning for like a job, right? 01:08:01.920 --> 01:08:14.239 You're going into it as if like you are there to share your art and you're there to share your interpretation of like the audition and like it's different, you know what I'm saying? 01:08:14.239 --> 01:08:15.599 And like, yeah. 01:08:15.599 --> 01:08:20.000 Yeah, exactly. 01:08:20.000 --> 01:08:20.960 Yeah, it is. 01:08:20.960 --> 01:08:28.159 And I mean, how many times and and we going back to Sandy Bach, how many times have we all done things for free? 01:08:28.159 --> 01:08:36.319 You know, like I've done student films and indie films on camera and voiceover stuff, and everyone's like, oh, why would you do that for free? 01:08:36.319 --> 01:08:38.640 Well, I wanna, it's exciting. 01:08:38.640 --> 01:08:40.399 It's it's the experience. 01:08:40.399 --> 01:08:46.720 I get to create art, I get to be a part of something, and that's how you get started, you know? 01:08:47.039 --> 01:08:58.319 Like I was like, my first Terrence would be annoyed by this, but my first lead role, right, is something it's something that's I mean, I'm I'm allowed to talk about it. 01:08:58.319 --> 01:09:10.640 Uh but uh uh it's uh an audio drama called Wicked Father, uh, and it's free, you know. 01:09:10.640 --> 01:09:14.640 But I was like I was looking at it and I was like, oh, you know what? 01:09:14.640 --> 01:09:16.560 This looks interesting. 01:09:16.560 --> 01:09:18.640 I would like to do this, you know. 01:09:18.640 --> 01:09:26.560 And and what the reason I said Terrence would be annoyed is because Terrence has specifically told me that I'm in a place where I should not be doing free stuff. 01:09:26.560 --> 01:09:33.760 But but uh it's like, hey, if somebody wants to pay me, absolutely, right? 01:09:33.760 --> 01:09:38.880 But I will fill my time doing other things if nobody's paying me right now. 01:09:39.199 --> 01:09:52.479 But that it was a genre that you didn't like you might not have like booked before, and so it was an opportunity for you to be able to experience it, and then you learned and you grew, and it was something you did for free, and like maybe the next time you'll get paid. 01:09:52.479 --> 01:09:53.520 That's that's what I'm saying. 01:09:53.520 --> 01:10:03.359 Like, you know, yeah, you just

have to be open to the experience, be the solution, you know, get a little training before you start doing things, right? 01:10:03.359 --> 01:10:09.840 You know, understand the space that you're going into, and just like if you're passionate about it, just do it, you know? 01:10:10.159 --> 01:10:10.640 Yeah. 01:10:10.880 --> 01:10:11.119 Yeah. 01:10:11.119 --> 01:10:13.279 And don't hold yourself back. 01:10:13.680 --> 01:10:14.239 Yes. 01:10:14.560 --> 01:10:14.960 Yeah. 01:10:14.960 --> 01:10:15.439 Okay. 01:10:15.439 --> 01:10:26.880 I want to do the fun question because I I have I have a feeling that like my child that interrupted us, which is my youngest, who is the voice actor, um I have a feeling he's hungry for dinner. 01:10:27.279 --> 01:10:27.439 Cool. 01:10:27.439 --> 01:10:29.039 And I desperately need to use the restroom. 01:10:29.520 --> 01:10:29.680 I don't. 01:10:29.680 --> 01:10:30.479 No, that's okay. 01:10:30.479 --> 01:10:34.560 And I I have to tell you, remember how you you you said, ooh, you might be a doomsday prepper. 01:10:34.560 --> 01:10:36.000 And I'm like, I might be a doomsday prepper. 01:10:36.000 --> 01:10:38.399 This is like in reference to like a couple like episodes ago. 01:10:38.399 --> 01:10:40.800 So you think of a number while I'm telling you this. 01:10:40.800 --> 01:10:47.359 I decided to learn, because you know, we've talked about this too before, about learning something new, like a new skill and not being afraid to like try it. 01:10:47.359 --> 01:10:49.680 I learned how to make bread. 01:10:49.680 --> 01:10:51.520 Like I can make bread now. 01:10:51.520 --> 01:11:00.479 So like so if the world goes to an apocalyptic place, I have I now know how to make bread so I can feed my people. 01:11:00.479 --> 01:11:06.000 And um I can make gluten-free bread and I can make regular bread. 01:11:06.000 --> 01:11:09.680 So, um, and it's you know, it's not as easy as you think. 01:11:09.680 --> 01:11:12.960 It is simple, but it's not as easy as you think. 01:11:13.439 --> 01:11:23.279 As someone who has my best friend and roommate loves making bread, uh there was like like I've helped, you know. 01:11:23.279 --> 01:11:27.119 I'm I've never been like a big baker, but there was one time where she like fell asleep and I felt so bad. 01:11:27.119 --> 01:11:28.319 I was like, I can't wake you up. 01:11:28.319 --> 01:11:30.319 So I I just like finished the bread. 01:11:30.319 --> 01:11:34.479 Oh, it's not, it's not, it's not destroyed, is it? 01:11:34.479 --> 01:11:35.439 And it wasn't destroyed. 01:11:35.439 --> 01:11:41.920 Yeah, and we it's funny because we have like the measurements like literally just like taped to like a kitchen cabinet. 01:11:42.640 --> 01:11:43.199 Really? 01:11:45.119 --> 01:11:46.640 So like I I get it. 01:11:46.640 --> 01:11:50.560 Like it is, I mean, that's I mean, baking is science. 01:11:50.800 --> 01:11:52.960 Yes, you know, so precise. 01:11:53.199 --> 01:11:55.840 Yes, fanny finicky for sure. 01:11:56.159 --> 01:12:00.000 Yeah, it's not fluid like being like art, you know, it is very precise. 01:12:00.000 --> 01:12:00.319 Yeah. 01:12:00.640 --> 01:12:02.079 Yeah, or cooking most other things. 01:12:02.079 --> 01:12:07.600 You can just except for like meat, you know, you need things to be thoroughly cooked, but you can cook however you want to. 01:12:07.840 --> 01:12:08.239 Exactly. 01:12:08.239 --> 01:12:10.479 You can like cook with your heart, right? 01:12:10.479 --> 01:12:12.159 Like not with baking. 01:12:12.159 --> 01:12:13.119 No, no, no, no, no. 01:12:13.119 --> 01:12:21.840 This and I literally read an article where they said that like there are ingredients in store-bought bread that is the same ingredients that I would find in my yoga mat. 01:12:21.840 --> 01:12:28.800 And right then and there, that stopped me in my tracks, and I was like, I need to figure out how to make bread that doesn't have yoga mat material in it. 01:12:28.800 --> 01:12:41.199 And so I also was like, I should be able to have a skill that like I can actually provide for my family without have like that I can make, you know, like I'm not and so I was like, I'm gonna have to figure this out, you know? 01:12:41.199 --> 01:12:47.840 And I think everybody has that moment in their life where they like, I'm gonna crochet something, or I you know, like whatever, I wanna grow something, you know? 01:12:48.000 --> 01:12:48.239 Right. 01:12:48.399 --> 01:12:52.479 And so I was like, I'm gonna learn how to bake bread, gluten-free and regular bread, and I made it. 01:12:52.479 --> 01:12:57.119 And it's like four ingredients salt, yeast, flour, water. 01:12:57.119 --> 01:12:58.319 Like, you know? 01:12:58.560 --> 01:12:58.880 Right. 01:12:59.119 --> 01:13:01.119 And amazingly, I don't eat gluten. 01:13:01.119 --> 01:13:04.239 I try to stay away from it, but I could eat that bread. 01:13:04.560 --> 01:13:05.119 Nice. 01:13:05.359 --> 01:13:06.800 Yeah, and I didn't have a stomachache. 01:13:06.800 --> 01:13:07.920 Okay, pick a number, quick. 01:13:08.319 --> 01:13:08.800 Seven. 01:13:09.359 --> 01:13:09.760 Seven? 01:13:09.760 --> 01:13:10.960 Oh, that's a low number. 01:13:10.960 --> 01:13:12.000 Okay, alright. 01:13:12.000 --> 01:13:17.760 What's the funniest thing you've read recent recently? 01:13:17.760 --> 01:13:18.560 Recently. 01:13:18.560 --> 01:13:21.680 What's the funniest thing you've read recently? 01:13:21.680 --> 01:13:25.920 Like it could be like maybe just like a line in the news. 01:13:26.159 --> 01:13:28.239 Um I know. 01:13:28.239 --> 01:13:29.760 There's one specifically. 01:13:29.760 --> 01:13:31.600 I'm trying to think of it. 01:13:31.600 --> 01:13:36.000 Uh I literally read it out loud earlier today. 01:13:36.000 --> 01:13:37.199 Uh shh. 01:13:37.199 --> 01:13:39.840 You know what? 01:13:39.840 --> 01:13:40.479 You know what? 01:13:40.479 --> 01:13:43.119 This is what I'm gonna do. 01:13:43.119 --> 01:13:45.840 Because I cannot remember.

01:13:45.840 --> 01:13:52.960 I cannot remember what it was, but uh I'm just pulling up Google right now. 01:13:52.960 --> 01:13:54.640 Do we count emojis? 01:13:54.880 --> 01:13:55.279 Sure. 01:13:55.680 --> 01:13:56.000 Okay. 01:13:56.000 --> 01:14:15.279 So one of the projects that I am currently working on, it's like a continuous thing, is called uh Hearts of Kings, which is like uh an Otome Companion project for Honor of Kings, which is like a ginormous IP in China. 01:14:15.279 --> 01:14:51.119 Um they their Instagram, they post some of the clips that are recorded, and so the whole thing is like you are a player, it's a uh you are a player who are i it's first person, and and I don't want to say player because it's it's so complicated, but it's first person, and there's like a cast of guys, and it's like I I don't know if I've explained this to you before, it's like a dating sim type situation. 01:14:51.439 --> 01:14:52.720 Oh, yeah, you have mentioned this before. 01:14:52.720 --> 01:14:53.520 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:14:53.840 --> 01:15:05.039 So some I I I didn't realize that I found their Instagram, yeah, and I found a post, one of the posts, uh, with my character stuff. 01:15:05.039 --> 01:15:17.760 His name is Kaiser, and going through the comments on this one video, it's just a bunch of people going and licking their phones. 01:15:18.000 --> 01:15:20.239 Oh my god, is this about your character? 01:15:20.399 --> 01:15:20.720 Yes. 01:15:20.960 --> 01:15:21.760 Oh my god, that's funny. 01:15:21.760 --> 01:15:23.520 Is this the one that you've shared recently? 01:15:23.920 --> 01:15:25.359 It's not one I shared recently. 01:15:25.359 --> 01:15:38.239 This one says uh slurger burp Kaiser, tongue emoji, tongue emoji, tongue emoji, tongue emoji, followed by a gif of a cat licking the screen repeatedly. 01:15:38.239 --> 01:15:38.880 Wow. 01:15:39.039 --> 01:15:42.720 You know here's something here back to you. 01:15:42.880 --> 01:15:43.439 Okay, okay. 01:15:43.439 --> 01:15:50.560 So something that I've read recently would be that like that there's yoga mat material in bread. 01:15:50.560 --> 01:15:51.840 So that there's that. 01:15:51.840 --> 01:16:00.399 But when you said that a client described your voice as cabin, is it Sauvignon? 01:16:00.720 --> 01:16:01.920 Cavere Sauvignon, yeah. 01:16:01.920 --> 01:16:09.279 Which is like I was like it's actually it's the right the director for this project. 01:16:09.279 --> 01:16:26.960 But that's what that's kind of the thing, is my character is uh yeah, with some berry like some tangy berries and some very different character than I am, very different person than I am, I'll say that. 01:16:27.199 --> 01:16:44.800 Yeah, you know, um because you know, cabernet yeah, Cabernet Sauvignon has like the dark juicy berries, the the velvety texture, the chocolate essence, and like also like it's a very smooth wine. 01:16:44.800 --> 01:16:46.000 I don't know if you drink wine. 01:16:46.399 --> 01:16:55.439 Well also I don't, but like it's a great it's uh he's a very let me I'm gonna do one second. 01:16:55.439 --> 01:16:57.119 Where's my da da da da da? 01:16:57.119 --> 01:16:58.399 I can hear myself. 01:16:58.399 --> 01:17:00.880 Uh I have my mic monitoring off this whole time. 01:17:00.880 --> 01:17:09.039 But he's the type of person who like people are waiting for him to like deliver lines like this. 01:17:09.039 --> 01:17:13.680 Oh speak to you in a way that makes you feel like you should be listening to him. 01:17:13.680 --> 01:17:14.479 You know? 01:17:15.279 --> 01:17:16.319 That's that's the character. 01:17:16.319 --> 01:17:16.720 Yeah. 01:17:16.960 --> 01:17:19.359 That's that's that's not specifically him. 01:17:19.760 --> 01:17:20.640 You should do that. 01:17:20.640 --> 01:17:22.479 That's a great Yeah. 01:17:22.479 --> 01:17:31.520 I mean, because it's that that wine is like a very robust, deep, smooth, like textured body of wine. 01:17:31.520 --> 01:17:43.359 You know, it has like the cherries and the dark chocolate and the blueberries, and it's like it's got a real like fine wine, smooth, drinkable. 01:17:43.359 --> 01:17:44.239 Um, yeah. 01:17:44.239 --> 01:17:46.479 So that I I I hope you do more of that. 01:17:46.479 --> 01:17:47.359 That's great. 01:17:47.680 --> 01:17:49.680 I have a session on Tuesday. 01:17:50.000 --> 01:17:52.399 I uh I like what you did there, Lloyd. 01:17:52.479 --> 01:17:57.920 No wonder people are cats licking emojis. 01:17:58.800 --> 01:17:59.199 Yeah. 01:17:59.520 --> 01:18:03.119 That's uh that's that's you're I think you're blushing, but okay. 01:18:04.079 --> 01:18:04.479 You know what? 01:18:04.479 --> 01:18:10.560 I cannot tell a grown adult to not hear my voice and call the character daddy. 01:18:10.560 --> 01:18:14.880 The YouTube comments, oh man. 01:18:15.760 --> 01:18:16.319 That's great. 01:18:16.319 --> 01:18:16.960 That's great. 01:18:16.960 --> 01:18:22.399 We have to end right there because that's who's your daddy. 01:18:22.399 --> 01:18:24.000 We're gonna end it right there. 01:18:24.000 --> 01:18:25.199 That's awesome. 01:18:25.199 --> 01:18:26.079 I love it. 01:18:26.319 --> 01:18:27.199 I love it. 01:18:27.199 --> 01:18:30.000 That's a wrap. 01:18:30.000 --> 01:18:33.119 Tune in to our next episode and continue the creative conversation. 01:18:33.119 --> 01:18:34.079 Feel inspired? 01:18:34.079 --> 01:18:38.399 Share this podcast with a few friends so we all organically grow and feel connected. 01:18:38.399 --> 01:18:41.920 Follow us on social media to keep up with all the creative chaos.