Full Transcript for 155 : Autoimmune Disease, Root Causes, and Why the Conventional Model Misses So Much

I'm referring to is that in our conventional medical system, no one is looking to get to the root cause. 00:02:57.039 --> 00:03:01.919 And unless you correct the reason why people are sick, they don't get better. 00:03:02.159 --> 00:03:05.199 So I thought this was an important topic to talk about. 00:03:05.360 --> 00:03:07.520 And I have been listening to Dr. 00:03:07.599 --> 00:03:14.319 Bradley Campbell a lot and hearing his perspective, and it's refreshing and necessary. 00:03:14.479 --> 00:03:19.599 And so I thought that I would invite him here on the pod to talk about it. 00:03:19.680 --> 00:03:20.240 So, Dr. 00:03:20.319 --> 00:03:21.439 Campbell, welcome. 00:03:21.919 --> 00:03:23.280 Thanks for having me, Doctors. 00:03:23.520 --> 00:03:25.199 Jen, I really appreciate it. 00:03:25.599 --> 00:03:26.719 It's my pleasure. 00:03:26.879 --> 00:03:28.960 So let me ask you to start. 00:03:29.520 --> 00:03:37.680 When you set off to be a doctor, did you have a particular interest in autoimmune disease? 00:03:37.759 --> 00:03:41.120 Or is this something that found you more than you found it? 00:03:41.520 --> 00:03:43.039 Yeah, it definitely found me. 00:03:43.199 --> 00:04:03.840 I thought I was going to be helping injured musicians or people who had severe concussions, like I had as a kid, and that got me into chiropractic school, then that got me to learn more naturopathic school, and then got me to acupuncture school, and just I kept getting friends, family, and patients who had really chronic, complex, rare autoimmune diseases. 00:04:03.919 --> 00:04:13.840 And out of a necessity of how do I help these people because their regular doctors are not helping them, I just kept reading and learning and reading and learning and figured out what actually got results for these people. 00:04:15.439 --> 00:04:17.600 What was the tie-in with musicians? 00:04:17.759 --> 00:04:20.079 Why did you think you were going to help musicians? 00:04:20.639 --> 00:04:27.279 So I was torn between doing pre-med and I was a music performance saxophone major in college. 00:04:27.600 --> 00:04:28.160 Wow. 00:04:28.639 --> 00:04:29.279 Yeah. 00:04:29.600 --> 00:04:32.000 And I'm glad I went the way I went. 00:04:32.160 --> 00:04:37.279 I was really thinking I was going to be a do a master's and a doctorate in saxophone performance. 00:04:37.360 --> 00:04:42.879 And I liked playing, but I did found out once I started teaching lessons, I didn't like teaching as much as performing. 00:04:43.360 --> 00:04:51.839 And so I figured I just wanted to make a bigger impact on people's lives than playing one or two recitals a year that only 10 or 20 people showed up to. 00:04:52.000 --> 00:04:53.279 I was like, I don't know. 00:04:53.759 --> 00:05:00.959 It didn't seem like the impact I wanted to have with my life when I looked back at it, even if it was fun and I liked the you know challenge of it. 00:05:01.279 --> 00:05:20.480 But all the medical doctors I talked to convinced me not

to go to medical school because they said, you know, it's hard, they were much more divorced, a lot more on psych meds, they were really down about the stress of school and clinic and internships and rotations, and they were just all not in a very good like mental or physical health state. 00:05:20.639 --> 00:05:30.240 And when we had rounds of five medical doctors came and talked to my undergrad, they all sort of were like, don't do it unless you really want to do it, because it's like you have to push through a lot. 00:05:30.399 --> 00:05:34.160 And then every chiropractor or naturopath I talked to was like, this feels amazing. 00:05:34.240 --> 00:05:34.959 You should get into it. 00:05:35.040 --> 00:05:42.079 You can be if you're entrepreneurial, you can be like create your schedule you want, you can make as much as you want, you can help as many people as you want. 00:05:42.160 --> 00:05:47.360 And they were all vitally healthy in their physical body and their mental body and had good relationships. 00:05:47.519 --> 00:05:52.160 And after having my parents get divorced, I was like, I definitely don't want to go through that again. 00:05:52.319 --> 00:05:56.319 So that kind of steered me into the chiropractic naturopathic lane. 00:05:56.480 --> 00:06:02.959 Also because I had musical injuries playing saxophone, where I had a thumb that needed surgery and a carpal tunnel that needed surgery. 00:06:03.199 --> 00:06:07.759 Went to my chiropractor, and in one visit, he was able to fix the issue and prevent the surgery. 00:06:07.920 --> 00:06:09.680 So I was like, that's cool, maybe I'll do that. 00:06:09.839 --> 00:06:14.000 The hyrog musicians just had the exact same health issues everybody else has. 00:06:14.399 --> 00:06:18.000 So that's what got me into a broader spectrum of helping people. 00:06:18.480 --> 00:06:19.040 Wow. 00:06:19.279 --> 00:06:24.319 I'm not surprised at all by the advice that you got from medical doctors. 00:06:24.480 --> 00:06:33.759 And I I have to be honest, I mean, I I think I'm guilty of that as well, in that it is a really, really hard road to hoe, right? 00:06:33.920 --> 00:06:36.879 And I think it's a road to hoe. 00:06:37.120 --> 00:06:44.800 You know, I I have said from the beginning, I wouldn't I of course, if my children really wanted to do it, I would support them. 00:06:45.040 --> 00:06:52.959 But that I have told them from the beginning, if there is anything else that you're interested in, do that. 00:06:53.199 --> 00:06:56.160 Now listen, do I regret going to medical school? 00:06:56.319 --> 00:06:57.279 No, of course not. 00:06:57.439 --> 00:07:02.639 Do I regret being a surgeon and having done a surgical residency and then a fellowship afterwards? 00:07:02.879 --> 00:07:04.160 No, of course not. 00:07:04.399 --> 00:07:15.279 But I also have probably the equivalent of six years of training beyond my medical school surgery residency and fellowship. 00:07:15.439 --> 00:07:26.800 And I am a lifelong learner

and I have actually had to step outside of my lane in conventional medicine in order to make an impact. 00:07:27.040 --> 00:07:33.040 Like had I just stayed a surgeon, I would have never had the impact that I have today. 00:07:33.199 --> 00:07:44.720 Had I just stayed a surgeon, I would have never written my book because I would have never gotten that perspective to have the knowledge to write that book, to have the experience to write that book. 00:07:44.959 --> 00:07:50.800 So while medical school is a foundation, it is definitely not enough. 00:07:51.040 --> 00:07:55.040 People do not learn anything about health in medical school. 00:07:55.279 --> 00:07:56.079 Nothing. 00:07:56.399 --> 00:07:56.800 Nothing. 00:07:57.439 --> 00:07:59.120 That's hard for people to hear, I think. 00:07:59.199 --> 00:08:05.839 So you spend so many years doing that, and then you're like, wait, this is that I thought I would get everything I ever needed in that schooling. 00:08:06.240 --> 00:08:10.160 Well, you get everything you need to write a lot of prescriptions. 00:08:10.319 --> 00:08:15.120 You get everything you need to recommend a lot of procedures. 00:08:15.360 --> 00:08:22.800 You are an excellent, excellent, excellent arm of industry, but what you're not is a vehicle of health. 00:08:23.040 --> 00:08:23.920 You're just not. 00:08:24.160 --> 00:08:35.360 Because you you you may want to be, and you may, you may be motivated to be, but the truly motivated have to go outside of the system in order to learn how to do that. 00:08:35.600 --> 00:08:52.320 Unless you were so, so, so lucky as to have grown up in a house that understood that from the beginning, and you were raised in an environment that that fostered health all along the way, and you could contextualize what you learned in medical school. 00:08:53.039 --> 00:09:22.879 But unless you had that privilege, and that privilege is rare, especially in this country, unless you had that privilege and you got the same kind of education that I got, which you know, I went to the one of the finest medical schools in the country, but they're all teaching the same thing, they're all towing the same line, their their purpose and their intention is the same, which is that they are all supported by the pharmaceutical companies. 00:09:23.120 --> 00:09:31.039 And our agenda is to be trained to be excellent, excellent advocates for the pharmaceutical industry. 00:09:31.440 --> 00:09:33.039 That's that's what we're trained to do. 00:09:33.840 --> 00:09:55.440 And I uh I want to be clear that I think that people who go to medical school are extremely well intentioned, and when they get out in practice, they are equally well intentioned, and they are doing a good job at doing exactly what they were trained to do with caring and purpose, all of that. 00:09:55.679 --> 00:09:58.320 It's the system that's broken, right? 00:09:58.559 --> 00:10:03.120 Like in this situation, we have to blame the game, not the player. 00:10:03.360

--> 00:10:04.320 Yeah, totally. 00:10:04.480 --> 00:10:06.320 I was just making a video about that the other day. 00:10:06.399 --> 00:10:26.159 It's like you wouldn't trust a chiropractor to do brain surgery, and you wouldn't trust a brain surgeon to maybe adjust your neck, or maybe you'd trust your chiropractor or physical therapist to do a grade three, four, five mobile patients, but you're not gonna, you know, it's just it's interesting when people are like, I don't trust doctors anymore, especially I hear that a lot, unfortunately, since the pandemic. 00:10:26.320 --> 00:10:32.080 I just say, well, trust them to do what they're trained to do because they're very, very excellent at what they're trained to do. 00:10:32.240 --> 00:10:32.480 Yeah. 00:10:33.120 --> 00:10:38.960 Save your life, recommend what they're recommending, like prescribe medication, whatever it is they might need. 00:10:39.120 --> 00:10:40.799 It's just a tool for someone. 00:10:40.879 --> 00:10:45.200 You wouldn't recommend a plumber when someone needed someone who did electricity, right? 00:10:45.759 --> 00:10:46.559 Exactly. 00:10:46.799 --> 00:10:52.879 And quite frankly, like if you have a ruptured appendix, you don't want to go to the chiropractor. 00:10:52.960 --> 00:10:55.519 You don't want to go to the acupuncturist, right? 00:10:55.679 --> 00:11:02.559 Like the acupuncturist taking the pain away there is not the right solution, right? 00:11:02.720 --> 00:11:08.960 What you need is your appendix removed, and you want a surgeon who's done that a thousand times to do it. 00:11:09.840 --> 00:11:10.399 Yeah, 100%. 00:11:11.200 --> 00:11:18.799 And so we need to not we need to not throw the baby out with the bathwater, but that's what we tend to do. 00:11:19.600 --> 00:11:25.759 And we we tend to be so like black and white, it's either all good or all bad. 00:11:26.080 --> 00:11:27.679 And that's simply not true. 00:11:28.399 --> 00:11:31.679 And I know I deal with that all the time in the world of cancer. 00:11:31.840 --> 00:11:36.480 People say to me, I'm coming to you because I don't want to have surgery, radiation, or chemotherapy. 00:11:36.639 --> 00:11:40.559 And I'm like, Well, you pick the wrong girl because I don't say that. 00:11:41.200 --> 00:11:41.840 I never say that. 00:11:42.559 --> 00:11:44.080 I say you get what you need. 00:11:44.399 --> 00:11:54.080 And what you need might be surgery, and it might be radiation, and it might be chemotherapy because it depends on what you have and what you're walking into my door with. 00:11:54.720 --> 00:11:57.039 So I don't make any guarantees. 00:11:57.279 --> 00:12:06.720 Just like, you know, there's a big kafluffle in in the uh breast imaging world right now because I am anti-mammogram for screening. 00:12:07.440 --> 00:12:08.000 For screening. 00:12:08.720 --> 00:12:22.960 But if you have a lesion in your breast, or if you have a symptom, if you have nipple discharge, if you have a mass that you can feel, if your

nipple is suddenly inverted, if you if you can visibly see something, this is not a screening situation. 00:12:23.759 --> 00:12:30.799 You have a symptom that and you need the help of a breast surgeon, and the breast surgeon is not going to see you without a mammogram. 00:12:30.960 --> 00:12:34.000 So go get a mammogram with my blessing. 00:12:34.399 --> 00:12:38.240 And please know that that one mammogram is not gonna hurt you. 00:12:38.399 --> 00:12:49.360 And what I am against is doing screening mammograms every year starting at 40 or God forbid before then in asymptomatic women. 00:12:49.840 --> 00:12:51.759 We cannot justify that. 00:12:52.000 --> 00:12:55.279 But am I saying that no one should ever have a mammogram again? 00:12:55.519 --> 00:12:57.120 No, of course not. 00:12:57.440 --> 00:13:12.159 I know that people like to put out those viral clips of me saying something, you know, and you take like a five-second excerpt from my hour and a half talk, and everyone's up in arms that I'm killing people. 00:13:12.480 --> 00:13:27.039 But the truth is that I actually am probably the most reasonable person out there because I'm saying, let's not get rid of anything, let's make the best decision that we can for the individual sitting in front of us. 00:13:27.200 --> 00:13:37.679 And I think I'm not gonna put words in your mouth, but I believe that that's what you're saying is that every person who comes to you comes to you for a different reason. 00:13:37.840 --> 00:13:43.600 So maybe every single person with autoimmune disease is not gonna present the same way. 00:13:43.759 --> 00:13:51.279 But if you look at the person and you listen, you can figure out what's wrong with them and help them to get better. 00:13:51.679 --> 00:13:52.240 Exactly. 00:13:52.399 --> 00:13:56.879 Yeah, it's so complex and nuanced, and everyone just wants that simple, like everyone's got this. 00:13:56.960 --> 00:13:59.440 They want the one fit-size-fits-all approach. 00:13:59.600 --> 00:14:04.240 That does really well for viral clips and certainty and confidence on social media. 00:14:04.320 --> 00:14:07.519 But in clinical practice, everybody's a little different. 00:14:07.679 --> 00:14:23.039 And you recommend you have 10 people with let's say breast cancer, and you're gonna recommend 10 completely different things for them depending on who they are, how old they are, their overall health, what type of cancer it is, what their imaging says, and a bunch of other factors. 00:14:23.279 --> 00:14:23.679 Yeah. 00:14:24.000 --> 00:14:24.879 Absolutely. 00:14:25.120 --> 00:14:28.080 And breast cancer isn't breast cancer. 00:14:28.399 --> 00:14:31.519 Breast cancer is autoimmune disease. 00:14:31.759 --> 00:14:42.720 I mean, I had two people last week, two people who were diagnosed in their one was 50 and one was 60 with celiac disease. 00:14:42.799 --> 00:14:48.159 And the only reason anyone checked for celiac disease was because they were diagnosed with breast cancer. 00:14:48.320 --> 00:14:56.000 So they had some because 40% of people with celiac disease have no GI complaints. 00:14:56.159 --> 00:14:58.399 I don't know if you were aware of that statistic. 00:14:58.720 --> 00:14:58.879 Yeah. 00:14:59.919 --> 00:15:11.279 But these ladies happen to both have lifelong gastrointestinal issues, and no one ever checked for celiac. 00:15:11.519 --> 00:15:11.840 Ever. 00:15:12.639 --> 00:15:13.039 Wow. 00:15:13.200 --> 00:15:14.960 It like blows my mind. 00:15:15.120 --> 00:15:20.159 Now, I might have a particular bias because I've had this happen to me. 00:15:20.320 --> 00:15:29.200 Like every single year I diagnose at least someone with celiac disease, and the first presentation was their breast cancer. 00:15:29.279 --> 00:15:41.120 So I check everyone because like it's just another add-on onto the slew of labs that I run on everyone, and you know, it it's no harm, no foul to them. 00:15:41.200 --> 00:15:43.679 But if I find it, it's really meaningful. 00:15:44.000 --> 00:16:01.600 So I check everyone, and I'm beginning to think that that should be routine in people who are diagnosed with breast cancer, but it astounds me that something like that that can be so life-changing for people once they know. 00:16:02.240 --> 00:16:04.559 And that's not even routinely checked for. 00:16:04.799 --> 00:16:05.600 I totally agree. 00:16:05.679 --> 00:16:10.159 I check gluten sensitivity and celiac levels on every single patient. 00:16:10.480 --> 00:16:11.360 Every single one. 00:16:11.519 --> 00:16:20.960 And I do the more advanced stuff, either the wheat zoomer through Vibrary Miracle or their typical like four screening blood draws on every single patient because it gets missed all the time. 00:16:21.200 --> 00:16:21.759 All the time. 00:16:25.679 --> 00:16:27.679 That's why I can't absorb iron. 00:16:27.840 --> 00:16:28.240 Yes. 00:16:28.480 --> 00:16:28.879 Yeah. 00:16:29.120 --> 00:16:29.600 Yeah. 00:16:29.840 --> 00:16:35.360 And we have so many women who are coming in who are like, my hair's falling out. 00:16:35.840 --> 00:16:36.159 Okay. 00:16:36.480 --> 00:16:39.759 Well, has anyone checked your iron, your ferritin? 00:16:39.919 --> 00:16:43.039 And then you someone with a ferritin of four. 00:16:43.279 --> 00:16:43.840 Four. 00:16:44.080 --> 00:16:54.559 And of course she has celiac disease, like it and she's been taking iron supplementation and for years, and no one's asking the question why she isn't getting any better. 00:16:54.799 --> 00:16:56.240 It's just, it's astounding to me. 00:16:56.960 --> 00:16:59.279 Band-aid, band-aid, band-aid, band-aid, band-aid. 00:17:00.480 --> 00:17:17.519 And part of it is that our our conventional medical system is really not designed in a way for anyone to really take anything like this on, in that if you're expected to see 40 patients in a day, even 30 patients in a day, right? 00:17:17.839 --> 00:17:21.440 Even 30 patients in a day, you're you're not getting to the bottom of

anything. 00:17:21.599 --> 00:17:27.680 There's no possible way that you're getting to the bottom of anything, seeing 30 patients in a day. 00:17:28.079 --> 00:17:29.839 No, unless you work 20 hour days. 00:17:31.440 --> 00:17:38.720 But even if you do, do you know what your your mental energy is like at the end of that day? 00:17:38.960 --> 00:17:39.279 Right? 00:17:39.440 --> 00:17:43.920 It's just I I mean, I realize you can't work 30 hour days. 00:17:44.240 --> 00:17:56.880 But but you know, I'm someone who works easy 12 and 14 hour days, and I know that the work that I'm doing at 10 o'clock at night is far different than the work that I'm doing at 8 a.m. 00:17:57.359 --> 00:17:58.079 It's far different. 00:17:58.240 --> 00:17:58.640 It is. 00:17:59.359 --> 00:17:59.759 It is. 00:18:00.400 --> 00:18:15.839 So, you know, I try to leave the easy stuff for the end of the day when I know that I am not at 100%, but still, sometimes, sometimes the difficult stuff creeps in, and I'm like, nope, I just don't have the capacity for this. 00:18:16.000 --> 00:18:18.640 And I know that that's what's happening. 00:18:18.960 --> 00:18:23.440 People in conventional medicine are just getting through their day. 00:18:23.599 --> 00:18:26.400 That's all they're doing, they're just getting through it. 00:18:27.039 --> 00:18:27.599 Yeah. 00:18:27.759 --> 00:18:27.920 Yeah. 00:18:28.240 --> 00:18:32.400 I feel like that's how we used to see a lot of my family, I have a lot of nurses in my family. 00:18:32.559 --> 00:18:40.160 I feel like they were the ones who were like the joke was they would like drink and smoke too much to kind of cope with the difficulties of patient care. 00:18:40.240 --> 00:18:40.400 Yeah. 00:18:40.559 --> 00:18:43.759 And a lot of, you know, substance abuse for nurses. 00:18:43.839 --> 00:18:50.799 And I feel like doctors are getting that same level of pressure and stress and work environment stress these days. 00:18:51.119 --> 00:18:51.680 For sure. 00:18:51.839 --> 00:18:52.480 For sure. 00:18:52.720 --> 00:18:59.599 And I think that doctors do still represent a fair percentage of the addicts. 00:19:00.160 --> 00:19:09.279 Because, you know, for the most part, they're not out there walking in the sunshine or grounding to uh to reset their nervous system. 00:19:09.440 --> 00:19:16.400 And, you know, they're having a drink after after work, hopefully not at work, but that happens too. 00:19:17.519 --> 00:19:24.640 And, you know, they're taking pills and it it's just the reality of of that situation. 00:19:24.880 --> 00:19:43.839 And I don't see it getting better anytime soon until we change over our insurance system and reward health rather than rewarding sickness, there's kind of no incentive for anything to change. 00:19:44.799 --> 00:19:45.119 Right. 00:19:45.440 --> 00:19:45.839 Totally. 00:19:46.000 --> 00:19:47.839 It's kind of like a follow-the-money thing. 00:19:47.920 --> 00:19:56.480 And if the insurance companies are paying out for X or the pharmaceutical companies are paying out more for X prescription, then that's probably gonna get pushed, unfortunately. 00:19:56.720 --> 00:19:57.119 Yeah. 00:19:57.359 --> 00:19:58.640 Yeah, exactly. 00:19:58.880 --> 00:20:10.480 And you know, it would be stupid for a doctor to say, well, you know, I just want to spend a lot of time with you that I'm not gonna get paid for and make you really healthy so you'll never come in again. 00:20:10.640 --> 00:20:17.119 And then, you know, it mean that doctor, and it's not they're not doing it knowingly, right? 00:20:17.680 --> 00:20:22.319 But they're not trained, and there's no incentive for them to do that. 00:20:22.400 --> 00:20:26.319 It's not like they get paid more if their patients are healthy, they get paid less. 00:20:26.559 --> 00:20:28.240 It doesn't make any sense. 00:20:28.640 --> 00:20:29.039 Yeah. 00:20:29.279 --> 00:20:43.680 One of my my mom's a nurse at uh Northwestern University's medical system, and they actually had a few doctors get let go because they were taking too many people off of their prescriptions and they weren't prescribing a high enough percentage of their patients' prescriptions in endocrinology. 00:20:43.920 --> 00:20:44.960 Are you serious? 00:20:45.200 --> 00:20:53.359 Yeah, so they got let go, they started their own clinic elsewhere, you know, started going to IFM, doing functional medicine, opened up a private concierge practice. 00:20:53.440 --> 00:21:01.359 And that's what I see a lot of my medical doctor friends doing is they're all opening up concierge because that's how they can actually feed their families and help them. 00:21:01.839 --> 00:21:02.160 Yeah. 00:21:02.400 --> 00:21:09.440 And I mean that's that is what needs to happen because that way they can control the cadence, right? 00:21:09.599 --> 00:21:22.720 They can control how many people they see, how long they see them for, and they can and they're actually incentivized to make people healthy because they're still paying, but then they have to see them less. 00:21:23.920 --> 00:21:26.400 So that that is the right system. 00:21:28.000 --> 00:21:36.720 It just adds it excludes people who want to rely solely on their insurance to pay for their medical care. 00:21:37.440 --> 00:21:37.599 Right. 00:21:38.799 --> 00:21:44.480 And unfortunately, insurance became something that I don't think that it was supposed to become. 00:21:45.279 --> 00:21:58.480 In that it became a payment plan for your medical care rather than being for what it was supposed to be, which is a way to pay for catastrophic events. 00:21:59.599 --> 00:21:59.839 Right. 00:22:00.319 --> 00:22:03.119 Like we when I was growing up, we paid to go to the doctor. 00:22:03.680 --> 00:22:04.640 We just paid the doctor. 00:22:05.200 --> 00:22:06.799 And if you went once, you paid once. 00:22:06.960 --> 00:22:08.720 And if you went ten times, you paid ten times. 00:22:08.960 --> 00:22:15.359 There was no copay, there was no nonsense

because the insurance didn't pay for you to go to the doctor. 00:22:15.839 --> 00:22:21.359 The insurance paid when, you know, I broke my arm once, I broke my leg once, I broke my foot three times. 00:22:22.319 --> 00:22:23.920 And that's what insurance paid for. 00:22:24.480 --> 00:22:26.480 They the catastrophic things. 00:22:26.720 --> 00:22:28.960 Not that that was a catastrophe, but you know what I mean. 00:22:29.519 --> 00:22:31.519 Well, when I broke my elbow, it was a catastrophe. 00:22:31.680 --> 00:22:34.880 But in any event, that that's what it was for. 00:22:35.359 --> 00:22:38.079 Or when I had to have my tonsils taken out when I was 17. 00:22:38.240 --> 00:22:40.799 Actually, I wonder if I really did get my tonsils out. 00:22:40.960 --> 00:22:42.720 Well, that's a that's a talk for another day. 00:22:42.799 --> 00:22:48.079 But I had like 50 ballots of strep throat, and so they finally just took my tonsils out. 00:22:48.799 --> 00:22:51.279 But that that's what it should be for. 00:22:52.079 --> 00:22:54.640 And now people are just using it as a payment plan. 00:22:56.160 --> 00:23:08.400 Well, the average American, their health is a catastrophe, kind of but I think that is part and parcel because we're in this whole game of whack-a-mole. 00:23:09.119 --> 00:23:11.440 Like you have this symptom, let's suppress it. 00:23:11.599 --> 00:23:13.680 Oh, this symptom is coming up, let's suppress it. 00:23:13.839 --> 00:23:16.559 Oh, now we have this system symptom, let's suppress it. 00:23:16.720 --> 00:23:19.519 And so we're in this never-ending game of whack-a-mole. 00:23:20.079 --> 00:23:24.000 Instead of saying, Okay, why did that symptom first symptom happen? 00:23:24.319 --> 00:23:25.519 Let's work to correct that. 00:23:25.839 --> 00:23:27.119 So this is the autoimmune. 00:23:27.440 --> 00:23:28.480 I'm coming back around. 00:23:28.960 --> 00:23:31.200 This is the autoimmune world that you're in. 00:23:31.440 --> 00:23:49.759 And I would like to talk about some of the recent cases that you've seen and the delay in diagnosis and help people to ask the right questions early on so that you don't have to suffer for three, four, five, and six years before you get help. 00:23:50.079 --> 00:23:51.119 Yeah, I see. 00:23:51.279 --> 00:23:55.680 Most of my patients are coming in over five years of suffering before they get help. 00:23:55.839 --> 00:24:00.160 I had an orthodox Jewish father who came in who's 40 years old. 00:24:00.319 --> 00:24:05.440 He's been suffering since he was 10 years old with chronic joint pain and gut issues. 00:24:05.599 --> 00:24:10.880 And he's had positive ANA markers for 20, 30 years. 00:24:11.039 --> 00:24:18.640 And the rheumatologist tell him, like, I'm sorry, like, your RF is negative, your CCP is negative, so like, you're fine. 00:24:18.960 --> 00:24:23.039 And they'll run x-rays and say, your joints aren't getting eroded, your hands aren't getting mangled. 00:24:23.200 --> 00:24:25.200 And so, like, we don't know what to do with you. 00:24:25.359 --> 00:24:26.240 And it's wild. 00:24:26.319 --> 00:24:33.359 They've tried a few medications, he reacted to it, and so it just kind of gets passed around every year or two where he'll just say, like, I just have to deal with chronic pain and suffering. 00:24:33.440 --> 00:24:35.039 And they say, Well, well, that didn't work. 00:24:35.119 --> 00:24:36.319 We have no other options for you. 00:24:36.480 --> 00:24:43.279 And I was the first person to run a more extensive test panel that found, no, you really do have rheumatoid arthritis. 00:24:43.440 --> 00:24:44.880 You do have some autoimmune condition. 00:24:45.119 --> 00:24:50.319 Your HSCRP is through the roof at 32.4, and we need to deal with this. 00:24:50.480 --> 00:24:56.240 So he ran some root cause tests as well and found he's got major gut dysbiosis. 00:24:56.400 --> 00:25:03.279 He probably had to take tons of steroids, like they tried steroids and antibiotics in the past for various conditions that ruined his gut flora. 00:25:04.079 --> 00:25:10.720 He's got some family history of autoimmune, like most autoimmune folks do, and he's starting to get better, which is great. 00:25:11.039 --> 00:25:24.880 But I just see people going five, ten, sometimes in this case, 30 years without a diagnosis, or just getting told their ANA is normal, or that it's normal for iron to be low, or it's normal to have chronic digestive distress. 00:25:25.279 --> 00:25:26.880 And it's quite unfortunate. 00:25:27.039 --> 00:25:33.920 But luckily, there are more practitioners like you and me who are out there starting to say we need tests, and patients are getting better at advocating for their own tests. 00:25:34.000 --> 00:25:47.039 And there are more companies now who are offering some of these tests to the general public, so you can go buy some of the tests yourself through different labs, because then you can at least bring it to your primary care and say, hey, I do have this thing that you refuse to test me for. 00:25:47.279 --> 00:25:50.000 And do you know how we can start working on this? 00:25:50.640 --> 00:26:01.200 Yeah, I'm afraid that won't be such a rewarding conversation, but I do want to start to talk about how to actually go about talking to your doctors. 00:26:01.359 --> 00:26:02.880 That's what people like my patients are thinking. 00:26:02.960 --> 00:26:04.640 They're like, why did I not want this test? 00:26:04.720 --> 00:26:06.319 I asked three times, I did get it. 00:26:06.400 --> 00:26:15.519 And then I would recommend to go to the doctor and say, like, hey, I got this other practitioner, or like I was able to get this test, and I just wanted to get your opinion on this or see what you think we can how we can do. 00:26:15.680 --> 00:26:19.920 Yeah, but then then they don't know and they've never seen that test before, and it doesn't mean anything to them. 00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:26.160 And then they get all up in arms and they confuse I don't

know with no, and yeah, that's how that goes. 00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:26.720 Okay. 00:26:27.440 --> 00:26:32.640 Tie in the iron thing because we've I mentioned it, now you mentioned it. 00:26:32.880 --> 00:26:38.400 So let's tell people why why we pay attention to that and what that means. 00:26:39.200 --> 00:27:04.079 So to me, low iron, if someone is eating enough iron, if they're not like a hardcore vegetarian vegan where there's very little food-sourced iron, but if someone's got low iron consistently and maybe they've tried supplementing, or maybe they're not losing blood internally or externally, and you know, they're not they're doing what they need to to try to get their iron up with food or supplement sources, and it just stays low long term. 00:27:04.240 --> 00:27:08.319 To me, that's a major red flag for digestive dysfunction. 00:27:08.799 --> 00:27:11.920 Whether it's gluten to-you're not absorbing it. 00:27:12.160 --> 00:27:13.440 You're not absorbing it. 00:27:13.599 --> 00:27:17.519 So there could be lack of stomach digestive capacity. 00:27:17.759 --> 00:27:20.640 I think classically they used to say it was low stomach acid. 00:27:20.799 --> 00:27:24.079 Sometimes I see that in people who are on acid blockers and PPIs. 00:27:24.240 --> 00:27:29.279 I actually have a Heidelberg machine at my office which tests the actual pH of the stomach, which is neat. 00:27:29.599 --> 00:27:41.519 Because most people who think they have low stomach acid actually have liver gallbladder dysfunction and they have low stomach enzyme production or liver pancreatic enzymes, and then they have reflux from their small intestine upwards. 00:27:41.680 --> 00:27:50.319 So usually I find it's actually small intestine or you know middle digestion function in the liver, gallbladder, pancreas, small intestine rather than the stomach. 00:27:50.559 --> 00:28:03.359 But um, yeah, it's usually they're not like having the enzymes or acid to break it down, or they have some issue that's damaged the lining of their small intestine that creates a malabsorption or they're not absorbing the iron the way that they really should be. 00:28:03.680 --> 00:28:04.240 Yeah. 00:28:04.559 --> 00:28:06.240 So it's interesting. 00:28:06.400 --> 00:28:17.599 I think we should talk about the acid thing a little bit because we have vilified acid in terms in in an attempt to market proton pump inhibitors, right? 00:28:17.920 --> 00:28:25.680 And proton pump inhibitors that I'm talking about like protonics and Nexium, that kind of thing, these are readily prescribed. 00:28:25.920 --> 00:28:27.440 Very, very easily prescribed. 00:28:27.599 --> 00:28:31.839 And when they were approved, they were approved for short-term, short-term use. 00:28:32.319 --> 00:28:32.640 Two weeks. 00:28:33.599 --> 00:28:35.200 Two weeks is what they were approved for. 00:28:35.359 --> 00:28:48.720 But the average person who gets put on a proton pump inhibitor, and this is like anyone who comes in complaining of any upper digestive complaint, automatically gets put on a proton pump inhibitor. 00:28:48.880 --> 00:28:51.359 I mean, those prescriptions are given out like candy. 00:28:51.680 --> 00:28:55.279 And the average person, I believe, is on them for four years. 00:28:55.680 --> 00:29:08.720 This is very, very damaging in the long run because acid performs very vital functions in our stomach and is the signaling pathway for everything that happens beyond the stomach. 00:29:09.119 --> 00:29:15.039 So in the stomach, it breaks down food because chewing and saliva will only go so far. 00:29:15.279 --> 00:29:20.559 And really, to break down food to its elemental components, you need acid. 00:29:21.200 --> 00:29:24.160 The other thing acid does is it destroys bacteria. 00:29:25.279 --> 00:29:34.799 So if you don't have enough acid in your stomach, you are going to be prone to dysbiosis, that overgrowth in your gut, but also more infections. 00:29:35.920 --> 00:29:49.440 I can't tell you the number of times that when we check the stool and we see staph and strap, staph and strap are respiratory organisms that when they're swallowed, if there's enough stomach acid, they're supposed to be destroyed. 00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:50.640 But they're not. 00:29:51.680 --> 00:29:55.200 Because we just don't have enough stomach acid. 00:29:55.839 --> 00:30:01.039 And then as the food moves through the system, acid triggers the release of bile. 00:30:01.200 --> 00:30:03.920 Acid triggers the release of pancreatic enzymes. 00:30:04.079 --> 00:30:06.880 So if there's not enough acid there, that's not happening. 00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:12.160 And then there's a whole bunch of digestive complications as a result. 00:30:12.480 --> 00:30:18.559 Because if you don't have bile and you don't have digestive enzymes, pancreatic enzymes, you're not going to break down your food. 00:30:19.519 --> 00:30:22.880 And you are going to have immunogenic responses. 00:30:23.200 --> 00:30:28.240 So I think the low acid story is a big one for a lot of people. 00:30:29.200 --> 00:30:34.559 Especially given the judicious use of proton pump inhibitors. 00:30:35.119 --> 00:30:35.599 Yep. 00:30:35.920 --> 00:30:41.759 That's so we have, like I was saying before, this Heidelberg machine, which is basically you attach a long string. 00:30:41.839 --> 00:30:48.720 You don't have to use the string, but we attach a long string to a capsule that people swallow, and you use the string to put it right into their stomach. 00:30:48.880 --> 00:30:55.680 And it gives a radio frequency and AM frequency to a signal capturer that then tells you the exact pH of the stomach. 00:30:55.839 --> 00:31:07.920 And you have them do it fasting, and then you have them drink an alkaline solution that then takes what should be a resting low pH acidic stomach up to a higher pH, and then you see how quickly the stomach reacidifies. 00:31:08.079 --> 00:31:16.319 It gives you instant real-time data of how good their stomach is at

being acidic and reacidifying or not. 00:31:16.799 --> 00:31:40.720 And it's fascinating because you find exactly like whether people need more stomach acid, whether they need more pancreatic or bile support, whether they need more patane HCl, or occasionally they actually have high stomach acid, because that's often like the I find the first response is sort of a hyper acidity that can happen when someone is more stressed, anxious. 00:31:40.880 --> 00:31:50.079 And then we do things to kind of calm that down naturally without a PPI, or most of the time it's stress reduction techniques that help lower the stomach acid initial response. 00:31:50.559 --> 00:31:58.559 But I see a lot of low stomach acid in patients that have been taking proton pump inhibitors or histamine antagonists for a long time. 00:31:58.720 --> 00:32:06.400 And then that causes, like you said, digestive distress farther down the channel, down than the small and large intestine. 00:32:06.640 --> 00:32:08.240 So it's fascinating. 00:32:08.319 --> 00:32:25.039 But I see even more so than the low stomach acid, what I see in people who think that they have low stomach acid is that they have a little bit of functional low stomach acid, but even more than that, they have major issues with bile flow and reflux from the small intestine up. 00:32:25.119 --> 00:32:37.119 So a little bit of like a SIBO, small intestinal bacterial overgrowth, a little bit of SIBO where they're getting reflux from their bile and from the pancreatic enzymes and the small intestine upwards into the stomach from the pyloric sphincters. 00:32:37.279 --> 00:32:40.480 Basically, it's pyloric sphincter reflux for the doctors on here. 00:32:40.640 --> 00:32:43.200 But it's really been interesting to see. 00:32:43.359 --> 00:32:51.039 We've run it on a couple hundred people over the last eight years, and it's fascinating to like get the actual data of like here's what's really going on. 00:32:51.119 --> 00:32:59.599 And most of the time it correlates with a lot of the way people feel when they take you know betaine HCl or stomach acid support, but it doesn't always correlate. 00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:03.599 So it's nice for people to have the test results to know for sure what's going on. 00:33:03.920 --> 00:33:06.000 Yeah, that's really interesting. 00:33:06.400 --> 00:33:11.839 So, okay, so iron is often a digestive symptom, right? 00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:14.480 Low iron is often a digestive symptom. 00:33:14.720 --> 00:33:23.119 What else are you looking for when you are evaluating someone and you believe that they have autoimmune disease? 00:33:23.279 --> 00:33:31.119 Like what are you doing that the rest of the rest of the providers that they have seen before are missing? 00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:32.160 What am I doing? 00:33:32.319 --> 00:33:34.400 I think I do a lot of different diagnostics. 00:33:34.480 --> 00:33:36.799 So I went to you know acupuncture in Chinese medical school. 00:33:36.880 --> 00:33:45.279 So

I'm also gonna look at their tongue, some of the ear and pulse diagnosis, but I also run autoimmune screening blood work on everybody. 00:33:45.440 --> 00:34:00.799 So at the very least, I'm gonna run an ANA, anti-nuclear antigen test, and usually an ENA panel or some type of 6 to 20 most common autoimmune marker panel on folks, especially if they've got other autoimmune issues. 00:34:01.119 --> 00:34:13.760 Every time we have a thyroid patient or fatigue patient, we're always running for antibodies to the thyroid, at least anti-TPO and antithyroglobulin, we're running the ANA and some of those ENA panels. 00:34:13.840 --> 00:34:44.639 But when I see fatigue, any long-term digestive issues, even if it's just, oh, I'm a little constipated, or I'm a little tired in the afternoon, or I'm not sleeping well, pretty much any chronic inflammatory stuff, any joint issues, any skin issues, any asthma, any history of allergies, or people say histamine or POTS or long haul or COVID, any chronic fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome, algic encephalitis, vaccine reactions. 00:34:44.880 --> 00:34:47.760 I got sick and then I've been worse ever since. 00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:54.079 And especially people who are off after pregnancies because pregnancies have a big impact on your immune system and hormones. 00:34:54.159 --> 00:34:56.960 So we'll check full hormones and autoimmune panels. 00:34:57.199 --> 00:35:01.119 When people said this started after I had kids, we'll look at that too. 00:35:01.360 --> 00:35:02.079 And cancer. 00:35:02.239 --> 00:35:04.000 I don't want to leave out cancer. 00:35:04.480 --> 00:35:05.679 Yeah, of course. 00:35:06.079 --> 00:35:13.519 So can you talk a little bit about the autoimmune triad and what makes people vulnerable? 00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:18.239 Like what the process of developing autoimmune disease looks like. 00:35:18.639 --> 00:35:22.480 So you're talking about the triad of just like genetics, gut, trauma? 00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:22.960 Mm-hmm. 00:35:23.199 --> 00:35:23.440 Yep. 00:35:23.519 --> 00:35:26.159 So there's the simple one genetics, gut, and trauma. 00:35:26.239 --> 00:35:27.840 So you have to have trigger. 00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:28.480 Trigger, right? 00:35:28.800 --> 00:35:29.920 Trigger trauma, yeah. 00:35:30.159 --> 00:35:32.800 So it's uh genetic predisposition. 00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:43.119 So usually you'll see allergies, asthma, skin issues, food reactions that run in families, gut issues, and other autoimmune conditions that run in families. 00:35:43.360 --> 00:35:53.440 So there's a genetic predisposition that kind of loads the gun, so to speak, and then you have leaky gut, which makes the terrain not as good, or gut inflammation. 00:35:53.599 --> 00:35:58.320 Some people call it gut dysbiosis or gut dysfunction, but there's some digestive issue. 00:35:58.480 --> 00:36:01.840 It could be anything from the start, from your lips all the way down to your bum. 00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:18.000 So it could be

dental, major dental issues, it could be heartburn in the stomach, it could be liver gallbladder even, or small intestine overgrowth, or candida issues after it could be just a history of taking more than a couple antibiotics, or you have a really bad reaction to one antibiotic. 00:36:18.239 --> 00:36:22.559 So the second one is the gut dysfunction, and then the third one is a trigger. 00:36:22.719 --> 00:36:31.039 So I usually talk to patients about the three main types of triggers that are either structural, biochemical, or emotional stress triggers. 00:36:31.199 --> 00:36:36.880 So you could have a structural trigger because we know now that concussions cause leaky gut or gut dysfunction. 00:36:37.119 --> 00:36:48.400 So it could be something like a concussion or a physical broken bone or physical trauma, a car accident, just the physical strain of giving birth could be enough to be a physical trigger. 00:36:48.559 --> 00:36:52.639 But physical trauma or trigger, then the biochemical could be a medication. 00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:59.039 There are drug-induced lupus, it is fairly common, and there's more and more drugs we're finding that induce lupus in people. 00:36:59.199 --> 00:37:09.360 So it could be a medication, it could be a food that you reacted to like gluten, which is probably really because, for getting into the gluten thing, really because everyone pesticided the gluten to the wazoo. 00:37:09.599 --> 00:37:13.440 And so a lot of people are getting reactions to gluten because of the way gluten's processed. 00:37:13.599 --> 00:37:16.960 But it could be a food, a drug, a bad infection. 00:37:17.199 --> 00:37:23.199 So the COVID spike protein, whether it's from a natural infection or the COVID shot, that could be doing it. 00:37:23.360 --> 00:37:32.400 It could be an Epstein bar virus when I got bad Epstein bar or cyanomagovirus, really any infection, the Taco Bell lettuce diarrhea that's going around from Taylor Farms right now. 00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:33.280 Could be anything. 00:37:33.440 --> 00:37:34.639 Could be they got went to Mexico. 00:37:34.719 --> 00:37:38.960 I had a patient this week who went to Mexico and got a traveler's diarrhea. 00:37:39.119 --> 00:37:44.800 Turns out she actually we ran a PCI Parasitology Center Institute. 00:37:44.960 --> 00:37:48.079 We ran uh their stool test for parasites, which is my favorite one. 00:37:48.239 --> 00:37:49.920 And she has roundworms. 00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:52.719 It's called Parasitology Center. 00:37:52.880 --> 00:37:54.000 I never heard of that. 00:37:54.639 --> 00:37:55.360 PCI. 00:37:55.679 --> 00:37:57.920 They're the ones, PCIwellness.com. 00:37:58.000 --> 00:38:13.039 They're the only ones that I've found that actually will do like best quality parasite testing, where sometimes GI Maps or Vibrants got Zoomer will pick it up, but theirs is less than$200 to look for parasites, which is nice, and they look at biofilm and yeast and things and find it pretty often. 00:38:13.280 --> 00:38:17.039 So we've been using them for a decade and they've been nice to use. 00:38:17.119 --> 00:38:26.639 But sometimes it's yeah, parasitic infections in that second category of from not the structure or biochemical, but then they have triggers that are emotional stress. 00:38:26.800 --> 00:38:39.360 So divorce is a big one, financial stress, job losses, even a new job that's highly stressful could be tough for somebody or a toxic relationship at work or in their personal life. 00:38:39.679 --> 00:38:45.760 Tough parenting, have people check their ACES score, ACE, adverse childhood experiences score. 00:38:45.920 --> 00:38:48.960 If they haven't looked at that, that's huge for autoimmune as well. 00:38:49.119 --> 00:38:59.920 Because if you have a score of four out of ten or higher, I don't know the exact statistic off the top of my head, but you're much, much, much more likely to develop autoimmune issues if you've had a tough upbringing. 00:39:00.400 --> 00:39:00.719 Yeah. 00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:08.400 I before we move on, I I do want to talk about parasites for a minute because I feel like that's a little bit of a controversial topic. 00:39:08.639 --> 00:39:12.960 Some people say treat, some people say don't treat, some people say treat every year. 00:39:13.199 --> 00:39:16.000 How do you feel about parasites? 00:39:16.079 --> 00:39:17.840 And do you think they're symbiotic? 00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:21.360 Do you think that they are always predatory? 00:39:21.519 --> 00:39:22.320 What do you think? 00:39:23.280 --> 00:39:30.159 I think they probably have a purpose, but they like anything, it can be too much of a good thing. 00:39:30.320 --> 00:39:36.079 So some of them are probably more pathogenic, some of them probably have some beneficial qualities to them. 00:39:36.400 --> 00:39:42.800 I think if you have a healthy terrain, then you're not going to get as much of an overgrowth of the parasites. 00:39:43.679 --> 00:39:46.400 So it also depends where you're at in the world. 00:39:46.480 --> 00:39:55.840 People who are in first world countries, like we are in the United States, generally don't get as many legitimate, super intense parasitic illnesses and infections. 00:39:56.159 --> 00:40:05.760 So I think for us, it's a mildly overblown, but I do catch a lot of protozoan parasites and autoimmune issues, especially with Hashimoto's. 00:40:15.280 --> 00:40:20.400 But I do think they serve a purpose, but they can get overgrown. 00:40:20.480 --> 00:40:22.079 Just sort of like weeds. 00:40:22.239 --> 00:40:33.039 Weeds are often super healing and therapeutic, like dandelion is a weed, but has huge medicinal benefits for detox, liver, kidney support, your lymphatic system. 00:40:33.199 --> 00:40:43.519 And but if you have if your whole yard is dandelions and it starts growing into your house and it's all over your bed, and now you're getting yellow all the time, and people think you're jaundice because you're just rolling in dandelions,

then that's going to be problematic. 00:40:43.840 --> 00:40:47.440 But if you have a couple dandelions here and there, you're like, oh, that's really cute, like not a problem. 00:40:47.599 --> 00:40:53.920 So I don't think you always have to go like kill, kill, kill all the things in the body, because some of that will have a negative impact. 00:40:54.079 --> 00:40:59.519 When you take an herb or medication, it's not always just gonna target that one specific strain. 00:40:59.599 --> 00:41:02.320 It's gonna have other impacts on the gut flora too. 00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:06.880 So you do have to look holistically at the whole gut flora system. 00:41:08.079 --> 00:41:11.039 I saw a really interesting paper. 00:41:12.320 --> 00:41:13.760 I don't remember where it was. 00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:17.920 It was a case report of a woman who developed a skin illusion. 00:41:18.320 --> 00:41:35.280 She had a history of breast cancer, and so they biopsied it, and it was a breast cancer, but they saw the spike protein in it, not the anti nuclear not the nucleocapsid protein, but the spike protein. 00:41:35.440 --> 00:41:43.280 So they know that this woman was never she was vaccinated, but she never developed the disease. 00:41:43.360 --> 00:41:47.599 Because if you develop the disease, you also have nucleocapsid protein. 00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:54.239 And uh this is the first time that I saw it's not causative, right? 00:41:54.320 --> 00:42:01.199 Like we we can't we can't extrapolate that, but we can just say that there's a signal here and we need to pay more attention to it. 00:42:01.760 --> 00:42:09.119 Do you has I have definitely seen an optick in young breast cancers since 2021? 00:42:09.440 --> 00:42:10.079 I don't know. 00:42:10.239 --> 00:42:14.960 Have you seen an optick in autoimmune disease? 00:42:15.199 --> 00:42:18.239 And do you think that there is a signal there as well? 00:42:19.280 --> 00:42:20.880 I would say definitely. 00:42:21.760 --> 00:42:31.280 I think the vac like all vaccines are designed to create an immune response, and that typically is an inflammatory immune response. 00:42:31.679 --> 00:42:44.719 So when I tell people who are more pro-vaccine, because I'm kind of moderate on the whole vaccine thing, I don't I guess I'm since the pandemic started, I'm kind of I guess more anti-vaccine because I just for informed consent, which means like you're allowed to choose. 00:42:44.880 --> 00:42:50.960 And at least during the pandemic, people were not always allowed to choose or felt like they couldn't choose or pressured. 00:42:51.440 --> 00:43:02.400 Well, if if you had to choose between your job, your livelihood, putting food on your table and supporting and clothing your family, then that's not exactly a choice. 00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:03.119 Right. 00:43:03.519 --> 00:43:03.760 Right. 00:43:03.920 --> 00:43:08.159 So I don't I many people were not given the opportunity to choose. 00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:08.960 Right. 00:43:09.039 --> 00:43:12.559 It's like here's your choice, either you take the vaccine or we ruin your life. 00:43:12.719 --> 00:43:21.039 It's like the like your kids can't go to school and you you can't leave the house, and you know, it w it wasn't a choice. 00:43:21.519 --> 00:43:24.000 They said it was a choice, but it wasn't a choice. 00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:27.119 It feels felt like the mafia. 00:43:27.199 --> 00:43:30.159 You know, it's like, here's your choice, kill this guy or kill this guy. 00:43:30.559 --> 00:43:31.840 Great, I have a choice. 00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:32.719 Excellent. 00:43:33.119 --> 00:43:34.000 Yeah, thank you. 00:43:34.320 --> 00:43:36.400 Yeah, and what I have seen that for sure. 00:43:36.480 --> 00:43:49.440 Uh I've seen a lot of pseudo-ALS for some reason, where people developed ALS that was not neurotypical ALS, it's not standard, but they got it soon after the COVID vaccine. 00:43:49.599 --> 00:43:58.960 I've seen cases of MS in one of my family members actually who got MS a week and a half after their no COVID infection, but got the COVID and got MS. 00:43:59.039 --> 00:43:59.760 They now no longer have. 00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:10.559 MS because they saw some really great people I referred them to, but I've seen MS, I've seen definitely thyroid issues, and really just the whole spectrum of autoimmune stuff. 00:44:10.719 --> 00:44:17.519 But the tricky part about autoimmune is you might have that trigger and not notice it for weeks, months, or a year or two afterwards. 00:44:18.239 --> 00:44:37.280 The other tricky part is that the spike protein was generally quite inflammatory for people as well, which is why one of the main symptoms that I was telling patients was if you have back pain that is really bad, worse ever headache, worse, terrible headache, terrible back pain, it's more likely COVID than just like a flu, because it's just so intense. 00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:41.599 The inflammation levels that a lot of people had when they had COVID infections were really intense. 00:44:41.760 --> 00:44:47.119 But the COVID spike protein, for whatever reason was what they decided to put into the vaccine. 00:44:47.280 --> 00:44:56.559 And so whether they got the vaccine or the natural infection, people just got a huge inflammatory dose of a like spiky, somewhat damaging product. 00:44:56.800 --> 00:45:06.320 And so I'm seeing the infection and or the COVID vaccine causing problems in autoimmune reactions because that spike protein could be so harmful for people. 00:45:06.639 --> 00:45:07.280 Yeah. 00:45:07.920 --> 00:45:19.679 Yeah, it's it definitely complicated what is already clearly a complicated picture because autoimmune disease has exploded. 00:45:20.400 --> 00:45:21.199 Exploded. 00:45:21.360 --> 00:45:27.519 And granted, we did not have the challenges, let's say 10 years ago. 00:45:27.920 --> 00:45:29.840 We definitely didn't have them 20 years ago. 00:45:30.079 --> 00:45:30.400 Right. 00:45:30.800 --> 00:45:36.559 So the

environmental challenges that we have now are without question contributing. 00:45:37.760 --> 00:45:37.920 Right. 00:45:38.079 --> 00:45:41.119 And what happened in 2021 definitely didn't help. 00:45:41.280 --> 00:45:43.360 It didn't make us better, it didn't make us stronger. 00:45:43.440 --> 00:45:47.760 And in fact, it gave us even more toxicity and toxic challenges. 00:45:48.159 --> 00:45:54.880 So I have I have a very dear family friend who was diagnosed with ankylosing spondylitis. 00:45:55.039 --> 00:45:56.960 And he was young when he was diagnosed. 00:45:57.119 --> 00:45:58.559 He was about uh 19. 00:45:58.800 --> 00:46:21.119 And he saw the head of rheumatology at MGH who told him that what he eats doesn't matter, and nothing he could do w will matter, and he just needs to go on a biologic because without going on a biologic, his his joints would be destroyed and and his life run. 00:46:22.239 --> 00:46:37.039 So he is now on his fifth biologic because while they work in the short term by blocking the immune response, the immune system is really smart and realizes that there is a trigger there that it wants to get rid of. 00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:51.440 And so it learns to ignore or overrule whatever that particular blockade is, and then you introduce the next one and you get a little bit of response, but the immune system finds a way around it and yada yada yada. 00:46:51.679 --> 00:46:55.199 So how why is that the wrong approach? 00:46:55.519 --> 00:47:00.400 Without like calling anyone out, but what should we be doing differently? 00:47:00.480 --> 00:47:07.760 What should we be thinking about differently when we encounter these autoimmune situations? 00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:27.360 I think we really want to think about shifting our mindset from the immune system is malfunctioning and the body is broken, and we have something to we need to stop, block, repair into the new mindset of, okay, the body and the immune system are pretty intelligent. 00:47:27.519 --> 00:47:30.800 They're pretty good at trying to do the best it can with what it has. 00:47:31.039 --> 00:47:34.480 In chapter practice, they say it's got an innate intelligence. 00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:46.880 But how do we look at the immune system and say, okay, let's say this autoimmune is actually serving a purpose or trying to do something to help you, not attacking my thyroid and it's gonna destroy it and I'm gonna be sick forever. 00:47:47.039 --> 00:47:51.840 But like, how do we think about it as what is my immune system trying to do with this autoimmune process? 00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:59.840 And how can I help it to actually do what it's designing, designed to do and trying to do to make me healthier? 00:48:00.559 --> 00:48:06.400 And oftentimes that is looking at those three things we talked about, those triggers that could still be there. 00:48:06.559 --> 00:48:24.880 It's looking at gut dysfunction and the balance of healthy bacteria and healthy and harmful yeast and maybe parasites, looking at viral patterns, it's looking at different often toxins and infections that get lodged in tissue that the body is trying to get out of that tissue. 00:48:25.039 --> 00:48:38.480 Or it's looking at maybe it's food reactions like gluten that could cause joint inflammation that then creates a rheumatoid arthritis or creates a scoriatic arthritis or creates a skin lesion or creates AS. 00:48:38.960 --> 00:48:57.519 So it's looking at all the things inside of us that we're putting in or that we already have inside of us that our system is reacting to, trying to say, stop putting that in me, or get that out of me, or let's get healthy enough so that I don't have to keep reacting, or I can overcome this challenge of this infection. 00:48:57.760 --> 00:49:02.400 And then a lot of times mysteriously, the autoimmune just sort of goes into remission. 00:49:03.440 --> 00:49:04.000 Yeah. 00:49:04.400 --> 00:49:06.480 What does an autoimmune diet mean? 00:49:06.639 --> 00:49:09.920 When people talk about that, what what what does that mean? 00:49:10.320 --> 00:49:15.679 So I think a lot of people refer to it as the autoimmune AIP diet, right? 00:49:17.440 --> 00:49:28.159 Which is a very strict diet that I highly rarely recommend unless someone's really struggling because they have other tools and the compliance rate for my patients is pretty low. 00:49:28.239 --> 00:49:32.400 And if they're in a lot of pain or they're really suffering a lot, they oftentimes will say, like, I'll do anything. 00:49:32.480 --> 00:49:34.400 I'll eat just chicken and rice if that's all it takes. 00:49:34.480 --> 00:49:44.880 And so sometimes they'll do that, or they'll do a home food sensitivity elimination where they only eat five or ten foods and they slowly add them back in if they don't want to pay for food sensitivity testing or do all those things. 00:49:45.280 --> 00:49:55.360 But you know, that has its challenges too, and people aren't always self-aware enough or in a relaxed enough living environment state or work state to be able to notice what they're responding to. 00:49:55.679 --> 00:50:12.320 I do like food sensitivity testing from some of these people, but the AIP generally cuts out eggs, dairy, almost all grains, legumes, nightshades, nuts, seeds, seed oils, coffee, and limits a lot of other things as well. 00:50:12.559 --> 00:50:14.800 So it's a pretty restrictive diet for people. 00:50:14.960 --> 00:50:18.800 I think who's the one who did had the MS book with AIP? 00:50:19.199 --> 00:50:20.320 But you're talking about Dr. 00:50:20.400 --> 00:50:21.119 Terry Walls. 00:50:21.440 --> 00:50:21.840 Yes, Dr. 00:50:21.920 --> 00:50:27.119 Terry Walls, I think, kind of popularized a lot of the AIP diet and found it super helpful. 00:50:28.559 --> 00:50:30.000 And it does help people. 00:50:30.159 --> 00:50:33.840 It's like kind of an easier way than just eating five or ten foods. 00:50:33.920 --> 00:50:36.719 It just removes the most common food

sensitivities. 00:50:37.039 --> 00:50:40.400 So if someone's really up for that or wanting to try it, I will recommend it. 00:50:40.480 --> 00:50:46.800 But usually we'll just run really good quality food sensitivity testing and remove the foods that show up there instead. 00:50:46.960 --> 00:50:57.920 Because it's just for me, it's worth two to four hundred dollars to test their food sensitivities rather than put them through like three months of intense food restrictions, especially right now. 00:50:58.559 --> 00:50:58.880 It's hard. 00:51:01.039 --> 00:51:01.840 Yeah, it's hard. 00:51:02.000 --> 00:51:05.679 Actually, my son just started the what is it called? 00:51:05.920 --> 00:51:13.760 TB15, Tom Brady, the Tom Brady diet, which admittedly is a very healthy diet. 00:51:14.159 --> 00:51:18.480 But, you know, he said to me, I'm not eating any nightshades. 00:51:18.800 --> 00:51:21.599 So let me ask you, what's wrong with nightshades? 00:51:21.840 --> 00:51:26.400 I mean, I don't think nightshades are that problematic if your liver is functioning well. 00:51:26.559 --> 00:51:29.760 I find most people who have nightshade issues have liver issues. 00:51:29.920 --> 00:51:36.559 But nightshades do have solanines in them, and they can be mildly toxic for some people. 00:51:36.719 --> 00:51:48.400 I think people like to pick on gluten, casein, they pick on whey, they pick on lactose, they pick on oxalase, they pick on histamine, and they just say like everyone needs to avoid all the foods because you never know what you're reacting to. 00:51:48.480 --> 00:51:52.320 But luckily we have tests now that can tell you if you are really reacting to those things or not. 00:51:52.480 --> 00:51:59.360 But nightshades for real don't know include cayenne pepper, black pepper, white pepper, tomato, or no, not peppers. 00:51:59.599 --> 00:52:00.400 Yeah, most peppers. 00:52:00.800 --> 00:52:02.800 Tomatoes, egg cement, potatoes. 00:52:03.199 --> 00:52:06.079 Oh, the white potato and french fries is huge for people. 00:52:06.320 --> 00:52:10.320 Even things like goji berries that people do to be healthier is a nightshade. 00:52:10.960 --> 00:52:13.599 Incidentally, I am not giving up french fries. 00:52:14.159 --> 00:52:28.480 It's really hard to I don't eat them a lot, obviously, but if you ask me like what my one thing that I'm never gonna, you know, because I I gave I successfully gave up birthday cake. 00:52:28.559 --> 00:52:30.559 I was a birthday cake addict. 00:52:31.280 --> 00:52:37.039 But I I'm I can't confidently say that I'm gonna cut out french fries. 00:52:37.440 --> 00:52:40.239 Because like that's my one Achilles heel. 00:52:40.559 --> 00:52:44.400 Have you tried um the Jesse and Benz or Roots Home Frozen? 00:52:44.880 --> 00:52:45.599 No, I don't know that. 00:52:45.760 --> 00:52:46.800 Do I need to know that? 00:52:47.199 --> 00:52:48.000 Possibly, yeah. 00:52:48.079 --> 00:52:54.719 Because Roots makes a really good organic one with avocado oil

for home, and then Jesse and Benz uses a tallow and sea salt one. 00:52:54.800 --> 00:52:59.679 And they even sell, I think, the Jesse and Benz at Target, but they're quite delicious. 00:52:59.840 --> 00:53:10.719 And so when we're craving like a late-night snack of some sort, occasionally we'll just throw those in the air fryer for 10 minutes, and it's a great, like, salty, savory little potato snack. 00:53:11.039 --> 00:53:11.440 All right. 00:53:11.599 --> 00:53:12.320 I'll do that. 00:53:12.480 --> 00:53:18.000 Even though, like, you know, the acrylamides are bad no matter if they're fried in. 00:53:18.159 --> 00:53:28.079 I mean, I would never eat like McDonald's French fries or any of that garbage, but uh yeah, I I do my I do like myself some fried potatoes. 00:53:28.239 --> 00:53:28.639 I do. 00:53:29.360 --> 00:53:33.360 You air fry it, it's less than at least cooking in the vat of oil. 00:53:33.599 --> 00:53:35.760 Yes, I agree, and that's what we do. 00:53:35.920 --> 00:53:39.840 And I did learn that sweet potatoes are not nightshades. 00:53:40.400 --> 00:53:41.280 Yes, yep. 00:53:41.920 --> 00:53:42.639 I did not know that. 00:53:42.960 --> 00:53:47.199 But there's some other family of something that I forget what they are. 00:53:47.599 --> 00:53:48.480 But they're not nightshades. 00:53:51.440 --> 00:54:00.239 No, I'm neither because I don't believe that there's any one food group that's bad for us universally, with the exception, and this is what I tell people. 00:54:01.440 --> 00:54:04.639 So, first of all, we have no nutritional need for grains. 00:54:04.880 --> 00:54:09.760 And if we never ate another grain again, we would suffer no nutritional deficiency. 00:54:09.920 --> 00:54:29.440 Now, listen, if you're of normal weight and you have good insulin sensitivity and your genes are such that you don't get terrible insulin spikes and glucose spikes from grains, and you want to eat whole grains and you have a source of whole grains that is not chemical laden, have at it with my blessing. 00:54:30.639 --> 00:54:39.920 However, for most people, and in my world, everyone has breast cancer, and 90% of people that have breast cancer have metabolic issues. 00:54:40.320 --> 00:54:53.840 They have anywhere from slight to severe metabolic dysfunction, in these people, they in general don't do well on high glycemic diets, and most grains are high glycemic. 00:54:54.480 --> 00:55:02.400 So no nutritional value, high glycemic food is probably not the best fit for someone who is actively cancer. 00:55:02.960 --> 00:55:03.199 Right? 00:55:03.519 --> 00:55:17.599 Now, if they're 20 years down the line and their diagnosis is in their rearview mirror and they have recaptured their metabolic health and they're doing great and they want to eat rice with their dinner or whatever, God bless. 00:55:18.079 --> 00:55:18.320 Right? 00:55:18.880 --> 00:55:19.920 I'm all good with it. 00:55:20.800 --> 00:55:27.119 But for someone who is actively cancer, I don't think that grains give any benefit and it's all risk. 00:55:27.599 --> 00:55:29.119 So that's how I feel about grains. 00:55:29.280 --> 00:55:32.000 But dairy is a different story for me. 00:55:32.159 --> 00:55:48.480 Again, I am not saying that no one should eat dairy, but dairy is in fact a big fat bolus of growth hormone because the purpose of dairy is to take baby cows, goat, sheep, whatever, and make them into big fat cows, goat, sheep, whatever, right? 00:55:50.079 --> 00:55:55.679 If you are actively cancering, the last thing your system needs is another growth signal. 00:55:56.400 --> 00:56:01.119 We're already we're all we already have growth signal in abundance, right? 00:56:01.199 --> 00:56:02.079 We don't need more of it. 00:56:02.719 --> 00:56:07.440 So I don't think there's any place for dairy in someone who is actively cancer. 00:56:07.920 --> 00:56:22.800 Again, if your cancer is in your rear view mirror, if you have reset your metabolism, if you are in a good place at a good weight, and you want to add a little clean dairy into your diet, okay. 00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:28.480 But like I'm not gonna tell you not to put a little parmesan on your escarol salad. 00:56:29.360 --> 00:56:34.480 But for people that are actively cancering, I don't think it's a good idea. 00:56:34.960 --> 00:56:51.599 And if you are trying to lose weight, if you are actively trying to lose weight, I don't think that dairy is a good addition to your diet because growth hormone and trying to lose weight are opposing forces, right? 00:56:51.760 --> 00:56:54.159 So you're kind of stepping on your own foot. 00:56:54.559 --> 00:56:55.519 So that's how I feel. 00:56:55.679 --> 00:57:01.599 Beyond that, I I'm not, I mean, I listen, I think Gundry is a brilliant guy. 00:57:02.400 --> 00:57:04.559 Do I think lectins are the problem? 00:57:04.719 --> 00:57:05.519 No, I do not. 00:57:06.000 --> 00:57:11.440 I do not think that our obesity crisis is because people are eating the seeds in their cucumbers. 00:57:12.159 --> 00:57:12.239 Right. 00:57:12.639 --> 00:57:14.639 I just don't think that that's it. 00:57:14.800 --> 00:57:22.239 And one time I ran into Mark Hyman and I I don't know, I just I had just read Gundry's book, and I was like, what do you think of Gundry's book? 00:57:22.400 --> 00:57:40.480 And he said, I think that we're already as a society not eating enough vegetables, and to have someone out there with his level of influence saying eat less vegetables is probably not the messaging that the world needs right now. 00:57:41.360 --> 00:57:42.159 Yeah, I agree. 00:57:42.719 --> 00:57:52.800 And so, you know, where I fall in all of this is that I I'm not paleo, I'm not carnivore, I'm definitely not vegan. 00:57:53.119 --> 00:58:02.079 I am whole food, plant-based, low glycemic, because I think that that's what everyone needs and benefits from. 00:58:02.320 --> 00:58:06.079 And then, you know, where you get your protein is where you get your protein.

00:58:06.239 --> 00:58:08.800 And I don't feel like fighting with anyone about it. 00:58:09.039 --> 00:58:12.639 And I, if that makes me wishy-washy, then that makes me wishy-washy. 00:58:12.719 --> 00:58:17.920 And if the plant people are mad at me because I don't care where you get your protein, then okay, they'll be mad at me. 00:58:18.079 --> 00:58:23.679 And if the carnivores are mad at me because plants are poison, okay, they're mad at me. 00:58:23.920 --> 00:58:29.119 But I I just want us all to agree that processed food isn't good for anyone. 00:58:29.519 --> 00:58:40.800 And we should all be doing our best to eat foods that are in their original form and stay away from things that drive up your blood sugar. 00:58:40.880 --> 00:58:43.840 And for some people, that's saturated fat, right? 00:58:43.920 --> 00:58:46.639 It's not always a carbohydrate-driven thing. 00:58:46.800 --> 00:58:53.599 So, but I think you can't go too wrong if you are eating a whole food plant-based low glycemic diet. 00:58:53.760 --> 00:58:57.199 Like, I think you're gonna be in pretty good shape no matter what. 00:58:57.519 --> 00:58:58.800 I totally agree. 00:58:59.039 --> 00:59:06.159 And I think when people balance their blood sugar with a low glycemic diet, their energy is better and their mood is better. 00:59:06.400 --> 00:59:16.480 And so many people struggle with energy and mood, and they haven't really looked at what their blood sugar does with the CGM, or they haven't just tried eating more protein from any source. 00:59:16.639 --> 00:59:22.159 And that stabilizes so many people's mental health, it stabilizes kids' focus and performance in school. 00:59:22.400 --> 00:59:24.800 Guys had an ADHD kid yesterday come in. 00:59:24.960 --> 00:59:30.000 He's eating zero breakfast and he has a tiny lunch, and they're wondering why he's tired at the end of the day. 00:59:30.079 --> 00:59:32.239 I'm like, because he has zero fuel to go on. 00:59:32.320 --> 00:59:35.599 He's just running on ketones, and he's probably not even good at burning. 00:59:35.840 --> 00:59:43.280 So we started getting him, you know, some at least like a protein shake or something he'll eat in the morning to get his brain a little more fuel to go. 00:59:43.679 --> 00:59:46.400 I just saw something horrible about protein shakes. 00:59:46.480 --> 00:59:47.599 What did I see? 00:59:48.079 --> 00:59:56.800 Something about that no matter what brand you get, there's a ton of heavy metals in all of them. 00:59:57.840 --> 00:59:58.719 A lot of them, yeah. 00:59:58.880 --> 01:00:02.000 A lot of them have are like super tainted with heavy metals. 01:00:02.320 --> 01:00:02.639 Yeah. 01:00:03.119 --> 01:00:04.079 That's depressing. 01:00:04.400 --> 01:00:08.800 But then, you know, that goes down to like why tell people to eat full whole foods. 01:00:10.239 --> 01:00:20.880 Because all of these processed foods, and even if you think that, oh, mine only has seven ingredients or whatever, whatever, it is so

highly processed to get it into that powder. 01:00:22.320 --> 01:00:34.639 And unless you're having like uh freeze-dried bone broth or something along those lines, it is so it is so highly processed to get it into that powder. 01:00:34.880 --> 01:00:40.320 And I don't care how good the ingredients on your protein bar say they are, it's garbage. 01:00:42.079 --> 01:00:42.800 I'm sorry. 01:00:42.960 --> 01:00:47.840 I'm sorry to all the protein bar makers out there who think that they're doing a good thing. 01:00:48.159 --> 01:00:50.480 I tried one the other day and it was so disgusting. 01:00:50.559 --> 01:00:52.960 I was like, I can't believe people eat this. 01:00:53.039 --> 01:00:53.840 It's vile. 01:00:54.320 --> 01:01:01.360 I'd rather just eat some fruit and meat or some eggs or veggies, like just add a cucumber from our local farmer market. 01:01:01.440 --> 01:01:05.280 I'm like, that was so much better than anything processed in months. 01:01:05.679 --> 01:01:06.559 Honestly. 01:01:07.039 --> 01:01:16.880 But occasionally I'll what I will do, because parents ask me about their kids with sensitivities, because they'll come in there like, they'll only eat mac and cheese and chicken nuggets because they've just gone down that rabbit hole. 01:01:17.039 --> 01:01:28.880 And so I'll be like, okay, get them a smoothie that's really clean, and then slowly drip in more of like this vegetable powder, and then their subconscious will start to recognize that they're eating vegetables even if they're not tasting it. 01:01:29.039 --> 01:01:34.559 And then I'll give them to go to the grocery store and like every week pick out a new food to try from the produce section. 01:01:34.719 --> 01:01:38.480 Like, you don't have to eat the whole thing, but you gotta pick one out and something new and try it. 01:01:38.559 --> 01:01:42.639 And that starts to open up their palate and their taste buds a little bit. 01:01:42.719 --> 01:01:55.840 But I almost have to like sneak in some of the healthy stuff in like these gummy vitamins or in powders or smoothies or protein shakes, because then they'll like start to be like, okay, I actually feel a little bit better, even though this is like a really bad version of it. 01:01:56.000 --> 01:02:04.800 But you almost have to like drip them into health because some of these kids are so like violently rejecting anything that could be healthy. 01:02:05.199 --> 01:02:20.000 Well, I know that I had this problem in my own house because I really didn't come into my knowing until I mean, I think my kids were probably 10 and 8 at the time. 01:02:20.880 --> 01:02:27.119 So there was a violent uproar when I was like, we're getting rid of all this stuff. 01:02:27.280 --> 01:02:37.760 And I went from like being the house where there was good food, according to my children, good food, to where, Mom, there's nothing to eat in this house. 01:02:37.840 --> 01:02:39.360 It's disgusting. 01:02:39.519 --> 01:02:40.639 I'm embarrassed. 01:02:40.800 --> 01:02:42.559 I can't bring my friends over. 01:02:42.719 --> 01:02:43.840 Where's the soda? 01:02:46.400 --> 01:02:48.320 And they were just horrified. 01:02:48.480 --> 01:02:55.280 And I remember I read this book called, I think it was From Mac and Cheese to Veggies, please. 01:02:55.920 --> 01:02:59.679 In an attempt to try to get my children to eat. 01:02:59.840 --> 01:03:10.880 So basically what they said is you just have to go cold turkey and for three days or four days or whatever, just whenever they're hungry, offer them fruit and vegetables, right? 01:03:12.239 --> 01:03:15.840 And we we got through, I don't know, like two hours. 01:03:16.000 --> 01:03:19.039 And my husband was like, Enough of this, you're insane. 01:03:19.199 --> 01:03:24.320 So I didn't get well supported and I didn't make any impact on them for years. 01:03:25.119 --> 01:03:30.960 And then my older son turned 17 and like something in him clicked. 01:03:31.840 --> 01:03:35.760 And he he was like, I'm not eating this junk anymore. 01:03:36.000 --> 01:03:50.000 And he went cold turkey, no junk, no process, no anything, started lifting weights every day and building up his body, and I mean what happened to him was like miraculous. 01:03:51.119 --> 01:03:56.079 And he became a better student, he became a better person, he became a better everything. 01:03:56.400 --> 01:03:57.679 It was really amazing. 01:03:58.239 --> 01:04:05.280 My younger son did not care for the transition and said, like, you're all crazy and I'm eating my own food. 01:04:05.599 --> 01:04:17.760 So it's still a journey, but what you were talking about about kind of easing it in, uh, I think that that was Jessica Seinfeld's whole thing, where wasn't she putting broccoli in her brownies? 01:04:18.320 --> 01:04:20.800 Yeah, broccoli and and kind of doing that. 01:04:21.039 --> 01:04:23.599 I I tried that, it it was an epic fail. 01:04:26.880 --> 01:04:29.760 My my kids are like, no, hell no. 01:04:30.000 --> 01:04:30.880 It's too much. 01:04:32.000 --> 01:04:33.599 Well, this has been wonderful. 01:04:34.320 --> 01:04:43.039 I hope that we helped some people out there who are struggling with autoimmune disorders and giving them some hope. 01:04:43.199 --> 01:05:02.800 I know that when I first met Terry Walls and when she told me her whole story about how she went from a zero-gravity wheelchair to riding 20 miles a day just by asking the why that hadn't been asked in all of her journey with MS. 01:05:03.039 --> 01:05:15.119 And she was someone who she was a Midwest doctor, had access to every imaginable drug, protocol, clinical trial, and just got worse and worse and worse. 01:05:15.360 --> 01:05:27.519 And the reason that she got worse and worse is because if all you're trying to do is manage the symptom, you're never gonna get to the root of the problem and you're never going to affect the progression of disease. 01:05:27.760 --> 01:05:42.320 And this doesn't only apply to autoimmune

disease, it applies to breast cancer, it applies to dementia, it applies to osteoarthritis, it applies to osteoporosis, it applies to heart disease, it applies to all of it. 01:05:43.199 --> 01:05:48.719 And that's what we all have to realize is that we can positively affect our health. 01:05:49.119 --> 01:05:55.199 We can even reverse these conditions that we have been repeatedly told are irreversible. 01:05:55.760 --> 01:06:01.199 And when I trained, we were told that you can't do anything about diabetes, but we We know so much better now. 01:06:02.000 --> 01:06:08.719 That we can reverse these things that we're told are irreversible, but you can't do it by doing what was done before. 01:06:09.440 --> 01:06:09.599 Right? 01:06:09.679 --> 01:06:14.639 And it's the definition of insanity to do the same thing and expect a different outcome. 01:06:14.960 --> 01:06:26.480 And I'm so grateful for you and for the work that you're doing and for you using your voice and your platform to help people to ask more questions and demand answers. 01:06:29.039 --> 01:06:29.679 Likewise. 01:06:34.000 --> 01:06:36.880 Oh well, strap in because we're moving fast. 01:06:39.679 --> 01:06:44.159 I know that you are starting up your community again. 01:06:44.400 --> 01:06:48.559 Can you tell people a little bit about that and then how to find you? 01:06:49.440 --> 01:06:51.360 Yeah, they can find me on Instagram. 01:06:51.440 --> 01:06:53.440 It's just DR Bradley Campbell. 01:06:53.599 --> 01:07:02.880 And if they go and send me a DM that actually says OBBOHBABY, I'll send them the link to get on the wait list for the membership, which reopens Thanksgiving. 01:07:03.039 --> 01:07:07.280 Usually open around 4th of July and Thanksgiving to Christmas time every year in New Year's. 01:07:07.440 --> 01:07:14.480 And it's basically a way to meet with me weekly in a group setting, a live Zoom call where I answer questions. 01:07:14.559 --> 01:07:16.400 I teach different health topics every week. 01:07:16.559 --> 01:07:34.000 We have a health workshop class every month, a different health topic, everything from digestive function and thyroid and adrenals and parasites and HRT and perimenopause and weight loss and all the fun health things that people wonder about that the members get to choose the topic on. 01:07:34.559 --> 01:07:39.599 But we have hundreds of videos, thousands of hours of content in there for them to search for. 01:07:39.760 --> 01:07:46.719 There's guides and protocols, and you can order lab testing that might be hard to get for you elsewhere. 01:07:46.880 --> 01:07:50.800 And so it's just a community of people that are interested in healing. 01:07:50.960 --> 01:08:06.400 And usually we get a lot of the 30 to 70-year-old women who are just wanting to geek out and learn as much as possible about their health, get healthier, learn new things, and truly find a community of people that can support them on their journey. 01:08:06.880 --> 01:08:12.880 Can I ask you before we go today what your feeling is about the GLP ones? 01:08:13.920 --> 01:08:18.319 Yeah, I think they're great, how they've been used for a long time. 01:08:18.479 --> 01:08:27.199 But when you get someone who just wants to lose five, 10 pounds but does not have diabetes or obesity, then it becomes a bit of a problem. 01:08:27.760 --> 01:08:33.359 So I worry about some of the thyroid cancer risk that was identified a little bit with them. 01:08:33.439 --> 01:08:41.920 I worry about the fact that it is just getting overused for cosmetic reasons rather than for helping with metabolic dysfunction. 01:08:42.159 --> 01:08:51.199 So I think for some people it truly can be way better than a lifetime of like glypocyte or metformin or other diabetes medications. 01:08:51.279 --> 01:08:55.840 And it can be helpful for some people for certain addictions and cravings. 01:08:56.000 --> 01:09:06.000 But I see a lot of downsides with it in people who lose weight but don't make the lifestyle changes that need to be made or the dietary shifts or learning how to cook real healthy food. 01:09:06.159 --> 01:09:11.039 And then they end up going off the GLP one for whatever reason and they rebound worse than they were before. 01:09:11.279 --> 01:09:16.800 So it's not a miracle cure all, but it is a useful crutch for some people. 01:09:17.199 --> 01:09:27.359 But I just think for people who want to lose, typically where I see is they want to lose 10 to 20 pounds or 25 pounds, and they're in that 40 to 60-year-old female age range. 01:09:27.520 --> 01:09:35.199 That's where I think the problem is because you really have to work towards gaining muscle mass as like the primary driver in eating protein. 01:09:35.359 --> 01:09:50.479 And most women are not doing that, and most women are just wanting the quick fix solution rather than going to fix the actual internal immune health, metabolic health, mental health, sleep regulations, or kidney rhythm hormones, all the stuff that you help people with. 01:09:52.720 --> 01:09:54.159 You don't have to answer this. 01:09:55.119 --> 01:10:03.039 But I and I I am using GLP1 selectively, so I'm gonna put it out there and say that from the start. 01:10:03.920 --> 01:10:24.960 And I also have a concern that these drugs were intentionally designed to change something and be addictive so that people who go off them have huge rebounds in hunger and cravings and things like that to necessitate staying on them for a lifetime. 01:10:26.319 --> 01:10:31.920 I don't know if you've seen that, but I have seen the people trying to get off can't. 01:10:32.239 --> 01:10:32.479 Yeah. 01:10:32.800 --> 01:10:36.000 A lot of the people I know, it's like 50-50. 01:10:36.079 --> 01:10:39.359 Some really struggle to get off, other ones stop and never notice it. 01:10:39.520 --> 01:10:44.159 But it's the ones I think where it's particularly the craving side of it that are struggling more. 01:10:44.640 --> 01:10:50.000 People who had food

cravings before that then go on it, it helps them and they struggle to get off. 01:10:50.159 --> 01:11:00.000 But I then usually work with people to figure out where those cravings are really coming from and kind of you know snip it at the source rather than, like you said, playing whack-amole for forever. 01:11:00.640 --> 01:11:13.199 And my last question for you, which might not be a short one, but how much do you think stress is contributing to autoimmune disease and chronic disease in general? 01:11:14.000 --> 01:11:16.159 I think stress is huge. 01:11:16.399 --> 01:11:23.199 I think it's, I mean, research shows 80% of the reason why people go to the doctor is because of stress-induced problems. 01:11:23.439 --> 01:11:35.840 And I think we live in a society and a culture that does not really honor our feelings, and we don't slow down enough to just be quiet and feel whatever's going on. 01:11:36.079 --> 01:11:39.039 So I say I have this phrase, you have to feel it to heal it. 01:11:39.199 --> 01:11:53.600 And a lot of people just cognitively acknowledge it because we have such a huge frontal lobe as Homo sapiens that you know a dog could lose its leg and not have any, they don't have a screen to look at. 01:11:53.680 --> 01:12:01.600 They're just feeling their feelings for a day or two and then they're no longer depressed, where a human could lose his leg or her leg and then be depressed for the rest of their life. 01:12:01.760 --> 01:12:19.359 And I think a lot of mild depression anxiety can come, and just generalized anxiety and stress, can come from too much screen time, not enough quiet time, because the average person spends less than 30 minutes a day in quiet, which is wild. 01:12:19.600 --> 01:12:29.119 So I think we don't have enough quiet time in nature to really think, introspect, process, and just feel our emotions and reflect on our life. 01:12:29.359 --> 01:12:34.319 And so we're kind of like more bored and more lonely than ever, but louder than ever. 01:12:34.640 --> 01:12:42.800 So it's like people are kind of bored and lonely, but they're not actually bored, and they're not actually like alone in quiet time. 01:12:42.960 --> 01:12:44.479 So everyone's like, we're the lonely generation. 01:12:44.720 --> 01:12:46.079 Like, no, we actually need more loneliness. 01:12:46.159 --> 01:12:52.640 Like, you need people need to go on like a camping trip by themselves for a weekend, and they'll probably sort their whole life out and deal with a lot of their stress. 01:12:52.720 --> 01:13:00.960 Um, we do need more community for sure, but I think even in community, we need more time of just talking with each other without cell phones. 01:13:01.119 --> 01:13:20.239 And I think when people get quiet and they get they're able to actually feel their feelings and have feel safe and secure enough to actually like hold space for their feelings, a lot of that stress starts to dissipate, or a lot of people start having their own come to Jesus moments with themselves and doing what they really need to do to get their lives in order. 01:13:20.640 --> 01:13:21.039 Yeah. 01:13:21.439 --> 01:13:22.239 I agree. 01:13:22.560 --> 01:13:23.119 I agree. 01:13:23.359 --> 01:13:26.159 And I think it's so underappreciated. 01:13:26.319 --> 01:14:03.680 Even the women who I see with these breast cancer diagnoses, and they say they don't know why they got breast cancer, and they seemingly have no risk factors, and then you talk to them and they were raised by an alcoholic, a parent, and sexually abused, and no, no, no, I've put all of that behind me and I'm thinking you think you did because you bottled it up, but that what happened to you then is probably still affecting you today in that you don't feel safe, and a safe and an unsafe body doesn't heal. 01:14:06.239 --> 01:14:08.239 Wow, what a great time we had. 01:14:10.319 --> 01:14:11.680 Thank you so much for joining me. 01:14:12.800 --> 01:14:14.000 Thanks for having me on your podcast. 01:14:14.159 --> 01:14:17.520 It's been great and thank all of you for joining me. 01:14:17.760 --> 01:14:27.119 And if you like this conversation and you think it was important, and you think it's important for someone in your family or someone in your community to hear it, then please share it. 01:14:27.359 --> 01:14:30.960 And know that I will be back next week, same time, same place. 01:14:31.439 --> 01:14:31.840 It's Dr. 01:14:32.000 --> 01:14:32.319 Jen. 01:14:32.960 --> 01:14:33.680 Bye for now.