Full Transcript for Juxtaposition: Titanic, Olympic, JP Morgan and the Birth of the Fed -- Iceburg Assassination Or Accident?

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Listener 46 00:02:49.039 --> 00:02:51.599 and Discretion is advised. 47 00:02:54.199 --> 00:03:01.759 Cream gamers full role. 48 00:03:03.039 --> 00:03:12.240 Out of side, government shadows, secretstique, conspiracies and full low. 49 00:03:12.159 --> 00:03:15.000 Sit straight encounter. 50 00:03:14.840 --> 00:03:20.159 Six play to this out that really shame men went 51 00:03:20.439 --> 00:03:26.080 knowled voices all unleveling history stories untold. 52 00:03:28.439 --> 00:03:41.479 A real fifty one whispering name, beautiful sightings, haunting thing, love. 53 00:03:41.439 --> 00:03:44.680 Miss monster, a lottering myth. 54 00:03:47.360 --> 00:03:55.599 Cryptocology injurious Giff straight encounter, Sid explain to this out 55 00:03:55.759 --> 00:04:01.360 that really shame none went knowledge voices fall on lovely 56 00:04:01.560 --> 00:04:10.319 mystery stories untold see take stout believes your for answers 57 00:04:10.479 --> 00:04:11.479 heading to. 58 00:04:12.599 --> 00:04:17.879 The flights well Sirs, continuous son. 59 00:04:19.920 --> 00:04:24.519 Strange, I counted Sun, explain South this out. 60 00:04:24.399 --> 00:04:25.680 That greatly shade. 61 00:04:26.399 --> 00:04:32.199 Then we know is fosses fall love and mystery stories untold, 62 00:04:34.279 --> 00:04:38.800 Truth this out, Truth these out. 63 00:04:52.399 --> 00:04:56.639 And good Saturday Night, Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome into Juxtaposition 64 00:04:56.879 --> 00:04:59.079 are every two week for you, Into the weird, the unusual, 65 00:04:59.160 --> 00:05:02.319 the unexplainable. I am Rick, barely have a voice, Robinson, 66 00:05:02.360 --> 00:05:05.279 but I'm here also joined by my usual cohort and 67 00:05:05.360 --> 00:05:08.160 crime in this show, mister Ordnance J. Packard es Wire 68 00:05:08.399 --> 00:05:10.959 everybody's favorite Olmage attorney. But it's a short list, so 69 00:05:11.000 --> 00:05:13.319 it's probably why he's everybody's favorite, and we have a 70 00:05:13.399 --> 00:05:15.560 guest tonight. I'll let Amage introduce her though before my 71 00:05:15.639 --> 00:05:16.800 throat starts getting all scratching. 72 00:05:17.879 --> 00:05:22.279 Yes, we do have a special guest tonight. In the topics. 73 00:05:22.480 --> 00:05:24.800 Whenever the topics of you know, what we do on 74 00:05:24.879 --> 00:05:29.079 the show comes up, frequently she will mention the Titanic 75 00:05:29.399 --> 00:05:32.680 and the Olympic. So I figure, who better to have 76 00:05:32.839 --> 00:05:41.639 on the show than to our good friend Aggie Rikin Aggie, Hello, Hi, I. 77 00:05:42.160 --> 00:05:46.560 Know it's I've always been fascinated by the whole thing, 78 00:05:46.959 --> 00:05:49.439 and one of the things I hate most in this 79 00:05:50.279 --> 00:05:52.160 life is the fact that they made a movie out 80 00:05:52.160 --> 00:05:54.279 of it. So, yeah, thanks for having me. 81 00:05:54.959 --> 00:05:56.199 I'm the guest of the world. 82 00:05:56.680 --> 00:06:01.079 Oh wait, sorry, you know I I'm I'm not embarrassed 83 00:06:01.120 --> 00:06:02.800 to admit this. I've never seen the movie. 84 00:06:03.800 --> 00:06:07.199 I've I think I've seen twenty minutes. All I know 85 00:06:07.319 --> 00:06:10.040 about the most of the movie that I all the 86 00:06:10.079 --> 00:06:12.959 gifts that are used. That's how I know most of 87 00:06:13.160 --> 00:06:16.959 what happens in the movie. And of course my sister 88 00:06:17.079 --> 00:06:19.600 told me to give me a brief cliff Notes version 89 00:06:19.680 --> 00:06:22.519 of it, and I'm like, I don't understand why this 90 00:06:22.800 --> 00:06:27.160 was made into a film a romance film. People die 91 00:06:27.639 --> 00:06:29.959 in the end, you know that, right. She's like that 92 00:06:30.079 --> 00:06:34.160 it's so romantic, and I'm like, they died and there. 93 00:06:34.160 --> 00:06:35.639 Was absolutely room on that door. 94 00:06:36.439 --> 00:06:37.199 It totally was. 95 00:06:39.000 --> 00:06:42.399 I mean I would walk by, who'd walk by the 96 00:06:42.480 --> 00:06:44.199 line and say, you know, the boat sings in the end, 97 00:06:47.439 --> 00:06:48.680 thanks for rooting it for me. 98 00:06:49.720 --> 00:06:51.600 They say, what you want? I got laid during that movie. 99 00:06:51.759 --> 00:06:56.079 So during or because of I don't. 100 00:06:55.920 --> 00:06:59.800 Want to know, la la la la la, I didn't 101 00:06:59.800 --> 00:07:00.439 get or anything. 102 00:07:02.519 --> 00:07:04.680 Oh we're reaching into the Sergeant Pepper's level again. 103 00:07:06.120 --> 00:07:08.079 I was just like, I can't believe they're making a 104 00:07:08.160 --> 00:07:11.600 movie out of this. And then you know they made POMPEII. 105 00:07:12.120 --> 00:07:15.439 I'm like, holy shit, they made that movie into a 106 00:07:15.600 --> 00:07:16.319 romance too. 107 00:07:17.480 --> 00:07:20.079 It's just like hot, I guess. 108 00:07:20.199 --> 00:07:25.720 So I was like, uh, my sister asked me to 109 00:07:25.800 --> 00:07:28.399 go with her to go see it because so many 110 00:07:28.480 --> 00:07:30.959 of her favorite actors weren't it. I was like, you 111 00:07:31.120 --> 00:07:34.120 realize this is not gonna This is the only thing 112

00:07:34.319 --> 00:07:36.720 that's going to be right is the very end of 113 00:07:36.800 --> 00:07:40.759 this film. And she said, why what happens? And I'm like, 114 00:07:40.920 --> 00:07:42.399 are you kidding me right now? 115 00:07:43.800 --> 00:07:45.240 So so off we go. 116 00:07:45.560 --> 00:07:51.920 She was kind of surprised. Well, I know history. They 117 00:07:52.000 --> 00:07:55.959 could not not they could not not have that ending, So. 118 00:07:59.600 --> 00:08:02.279 I, yeah, we should have just done it like the 119 00:08:02.319 --> 00:08:04.040 Poseidon Adventure. Then I would have watched it. 120 00:08:04.720 --> 00:08:07.079 Oh Meda, that was that was good. 121 00:08:07.639 --> 00:08:12.279 I mean MD's made a valid point. The Pompey movie 122 00:08:12.360 --> 00:08:16.600 was kind of hot by default. Yeah, true, very true. Yeah. 123 00:08:17.360 --> 00:08:21.600 I run hot and cold on these disaster movies. Oh Volcano. 124 00:08:23.199 --> 00:08:26.759 These are the jokes, especially okay with the Titanic, especially 125 00:08:26.879 --> 00:08:33.840 James Cameron directing it. Could you be any more insufferable 126 00:08:36.679 --> 00:08:39.200 if he had had his wife? Susie Abel said it now. 127 00:08:39.200 --> 00:08:42.639 Andrew, I do remember the disaster movies of the seventies, 128 00:08:42.720 --> 00:08:45.840 but that was focused on the actual disaster and the 129 00:08:45.919 --> 00:08:50.120 human condition and the struggle to survive. They did not 130 00:08:50.399 --> 00:08:53.120 make it. They did not make the romance the central 131 00:08:53.519 --> 00:08:55.240 part of the film. 132 00:08:56.080 --> 00:08:56.360 Why do. 133 00:08:57.960 --> 00:09:00.399 I don't hate romance? I really don't. 134 00:09:01.000 --> 00:09:01.600 Oh my god. 135 00:09:01.759 --> 00:09:03.159 I read smut every day. 136 00:09:04.440 --> 00:09:06.039 Some people in love, damn it. 137 00:09:07.960 --> 00:09:09.879 But I want realistic romance. 138 00:09:10.960 --> 00:09:11.879 There's no such thing. 139 00:09:12.000 --> 00:09:15.039 But that's why you read the Amish vampire smut. 140 00:09:15.720 --> 00:09:18.279 Oh my goodness. I went to Ali's like three weeks 141 00:09:18.279 --> 00:09:23.480 ago and they had an entire row of Amish romance paperbacks. 142 00:09:24.279 --> 00:09:26.600 I was, I was so close to purchasing them. 143 00:09:28.679 --> 00:09:30.200 That's an actual thing. I thought it was. 144 00:09:30.559 --> 00:09:33.559 Yes, you know what, I'm gonna go back and I'm 145 00:09:33.559 --> 00:09:36.120 going to get some and I will take pictures and 146 00:09:36.240 --> 00:09:38.320 I will reave you at least one of them. For 147 00:09:38.480 --> 00:09:41.799 Spirited Books, it's. 148 00:09:41.639 --> 00:09:43.840 All over Hallmark. You know we're getting off track here, 149 00:09:43.879 --> 00:09:47.639 but but Amish bodice rippers are all over Hallmark Channel. 150 00:09:47.399 --> 00:09:51.080 Now too, so I mean homage vampire

stuff could be 151 00:09:51.159 --> 00:09:53.000 your for October. 152 00:09:54.519 --> 00:09:57.200 There we go. That's the Jockstober theme we've decided. But 153 00:09:59.159 --> 00:10:00.360 amage vampires. 154 00:10:01.879 --> 00:10:05.399 I'm writing no, okay, no, I was just saying, because 155 00:10:05.399 --> 00:10:07.080 she said she wanted to review one of the books 156 00:10:07.120 --> 00:10:09.919 for Spirited Books, is like that could be here Halloween. 157 00:10:09.559 --> 00:10:14.720 Want I'm still waiting. We need we need to figure 158 00:10:14.720 --> 00:10:16.240 out the Duxtober theme. 159 00:10:17.240 --> 00:10:18.799 That's next on my list. I have I have a 160 00:10:18.840 --> 00:10:21.200 birthday party tomorrow and then after that I'll be kind 161 00:10:21.200 --> 00:10:27.679 of focusing. Okay, my uh next, well, no, actually, I 162 00:10:27.679 --> 00:10:30.320 guess my third youngest, she turns three tomorrow. 163 00:10:34.240 --> 00:10:39.759 Fun inwards squee Yeah, I have. 164 00:10:39.799 --> 00:10:41.480 To send you pictures for that one. She's blond here, 165 00:10:41.519 --> 00:10:45.559 blue eye too. She's gonna be like, she's gonna be somebody. 166 00:10:45.559 --> 00:10:47.360 I'm gonna have to kill people over. I'm afraid. 167 00:10:50.879 --> 00:10:52.480 Such your face as to squee. 168 00:10:56.080 --> 00:10:56.600 I can't tell. 169 00:10:58.720 --> 00:11:02.600 Yeah, the Titanic or was it? 170 00:11:04.039 --> 00:11:04.240 Yeah? 171 00:11:05.399 --> 00:11:09.080 Yeah, that's the biggest question because now that because that's 172 00:11:09.120 --> 00:11:12.120 one of the questions. Was it actually was not the Titanic? 173 00:11:12.519 --> 00:11:13.120 What happened? 174 00:11:14.559 --> 00:11:17.200 Yeah, So that's the focus of the show tonight. So 175 00:11:18.080 --> 00:11:21.519 everybody who knows. Everybody knows unless you were been living 176 00:11:21.600 --> 00:11:23.960 under a rock on Mars with your fingers in your 177 00:11:24.039 --> 00:11:27.519 ear for the entirety of your life. In nineteen twelve, 178 00:11:28.519 --> 00:11:30.840 the Titanic set sail on its maiden voyage and it 179 00:11:30.960 --> 00:11:35.000 was a cultural event. It was just everybody was riding 180 00:11:35.039 --> 00:11:36.679 about it. There were tours on it. This was the 181 00:11:37.039 --> 00:11:41.600 This ship was the pinnacle of modern industrial innovation. And 182 00:11:41.879 --> 00:11:44.159 it was one of three. There was the Olympic, the Titanic, 183 00:11:44.240 --> 00:11:46.919 and the Britannic. And the Olympic had set sail earlier 184 00:11:47.120 --> 00:11:50.559 and had had itself a little accident. It had actually 185 00:11:50.639 --> 00:11:56.159 run into a British warship and was severely damaged and 186 00:11:56.440 --> 00:11:58.039 it was brought back to the dock right next to 187 00:11:58.120 --> 00:12:02.960 the Titanic for repairs, and the question is which ship 188 00:12:03.080 --> 00:12:07.919

launched that day with all the passengers board. That's what 189 00:12:08.039 --> 00:12:08.639 we're getting to. 190 00:12:14.639 --> 00:12:20.080 Yeah, there's there has been multiple theories about the switching 191 00:12:20.360 --> 00:12:27.039 of the liners, mostly because they they seemed to think 192 00:12:27.200 --> 00:12:30.120 that it was for insurance reasons. They wanted to switch 193 00:12:30.159 --> 00:12:35.759 as ships. The Titanic was fully insured, but the Olympic 194 00:12:35.960 --> 00:12:39.360 was not, and it was it had become a financial 195 00:12:39.519 --> 00:12:41.960 drain due to the fact that it was in dry 196 00:12:42.080 --> 00:12:45.320 dock with the repairs for like four or five months, 197 00:12:46.120 --> 00:12:48.360 and it was not making any money because it was 198 00:12:48.399 --> 00:12:51.879 not out to sea. So a lot of people speculate 199 00:12:51.960 --> 00:12:56.759 that it was switched in order to instigate insurance fraud. 200 00:12:58.360 --> 00:13:01.639 Yeah, because when when the Olympic got into its accident 201 00:13:01.720 --> 00:13:05.399 with the HMS Hawk, it was determined that the Olympic 202 00:13:05.519 --> 00:13:11.799 was at fault, which cost the White Star Line huge 203 00:13:11.799 --> 00:13:13.559 amounts of money because they could you know, you don't 204 00:13:13.559 --> 00:13:16.159 get insurance when you were at fault, so they had 205 00:13:16.200 --> 00:13:19.720 to repair the ship. The keel was bent, there was 206 00:13:20.360 --> 00:13:24.120 massive damage to the front of it, and it was 207 00:13:24.519 --> 00:13:27.000 and from that point it was uninsurable. It was a 208 00:13:27.080 --> 00:13:33.120 liability being on the sea and it was designed. I 209 00:13:33.200 --> 00:13:36.000 mean there were subtle differences between the Olympic and the 210 00:13:36.039 --> 00:13:39.519 Titanic and the Britannic, but it was designed to be 211 00:13:39.639 --> 00:13:43.559 one of the three sisters the Golden Age of JP 212 00:13:43.759 --> 00:13:49.639 Morgan's venture into the shipping lines where he had started 213 00:13:49.679 --> 00:13:55.360 the the I M M to uh, you know, and 214 00:13:55.480 --> 00:13:57.399 White Star was part of it so that way he 215 00:13:57.480 --> 00:14:02.519 could move his fortune empire into shipping and luxury sailing. 216 00:14:03.240 --> 00:14:07.320 And this was a huge strike to the fledgling company, 217 00:14:09.919 --> 00:14:11.039 it sure was. 218 00:14:11.759 --> 00:14:14.879 And it was you know, the reason for the White 219 00:14:16.080 --> 00:14:16.679 Star line. 220 00:14:17.559 --> 00:14:17.679 Uh. 221 00:14:18.600 --> 00:14:26.159 They were competing against Qunard, who have been sailing the 222 00:14:26.279 --> 00:14:30.679 seas for quite some time, and they wanted to bring 223 00:14:30.799 --> 00:14:38.399 something that was today's terms, fresh, more modern, more you know, luxurious. 224 00:14:38.519 --> 00:14:41.559 You know, they wanted the you know, the Princess Cruise 225 00:14:41.799 --> 00:14:47.000 line there to compare with the Queud line. And so 226 00:14:47.360 --> 00:14:55.480 these massive, massive ships were built, and they were supposed 227 00:14:55.519 --> 00:14:57.799 to be, you know, the crown jewels of the line. 228 00:14:58.720 --> 00:15:01.120 And I think they just wanted to build the three 229 00:15:01.200 --> 00:15:02.960 I don't think they had any clients to build more 230 00:15:03.000 --> 00:15:05.480 than that, correct, as far. 231 00:15:05.399 --> 00:15:07.519 As I know, No, these ships were designed. You know, 232 00:15:07.639 --> 00:15:10.360 it's not like with modern shipping, where you know modern 233 00:15:10.440 --> 00:15:13.320 cruise lines, where they'll build a ship and you know, 234 00:15:13.360 --> 00:15:15.519 they'll they'll promote and use the hell out of it 235 00:15:15.639 --> 00:15:18.679 for five ten years, and then they'll downgrade it to 236 00:15:18.919 --> 00:15:22.600 lesser routes as they come on with their new line. 237 00:15:23.159 --> 00:15:26.240 These ships were designed as everything was during the Art 238 00:15:26.279 --> 00:15:30.360 Deco years to last. These were supposed to be on 239 00:15:30.399 --> 00:15:33.120 the sea for fifty years each and they were to 240 00:15:33.240 --> 00:15:36.399 be the pinnacle of sailing for that time period. 241 00:15:37.399 --> 00:15:43.240 Andrew brought up the Lusitania that was a Cunard Line ship, 242 00:15:43.320 --> 00:15:46.159 along with the Mauritania, and those were the ships that 243 00:15:47.120 --> 00:15:49.759 the White Star line was competing against, which is why 244 00:15:49.799 --> 00:15:53.679 they wanted to make them bigger and longer. And I 245 00:15:53.879 --> 00:15:58.559 am really thinking, we're here in the window, but that 246 00:15:58.759 --> 00:16:02.279 was the whole point. They wanted to compete with those ships. 247 00:16:03.960 --> 00:16:06.279 Yeah, and so then the three of them were manufacturing. 248 00:16:06.360 --> 00:16:09.240 We talked about how the Olympic got into its accident, 249 00:16:09.919 --> 00:16:15.120 and you know, people people noticed that when they got 250 00:16:15.200 --> 00:16:18.679 on the Titanic that it seemed a little worn. The 251 00:16:18.759 --> 00:16:22.159 carpet was a little afraid, the fixtures were a little scuffed, 252 00:16:22.879 --> 00:16:25.600 you know, and they just chalked it up to well, 253 00:16:25.639 --> 00:16:28.639 you know, this thing has been you know, toured by 254 00:16:28.720 --> 00:16:31.519 so many people for so long during its construction, you know, 255 00:16:31.559 --> 00:16:33.879 because they were showing it off big time before it 256 00:16:33.919 --> 00:16:36.200 finally set sail, and you know, some of the furniture 257 00:16:36.279 --> 00:16:38.200 was chips and stuff like that. So they kind of 258 00:16:38.279 --> 00:16:42.759 just chalked it up to that. And but evidence to 259 00:16:43.159 -->

00:16:50.519 besides that is when the Titanic set sail, the starboard 260 00:16:51.440 --> 00:16:53.879 the star the starboard side of the forward sea deck 261 00:16:55.960 --> 00:17:00.600 on the Titanic had fourteen portholes. The Olympic originally had sixteen, 262 00:17:00.679 --> 00:17:03.600 and photographs taken of the Titanic during sea trials show 263 00:17:03.639 --> 00:17:07.559 that it had fourteen, but the wreck has sixteen. 264 00:17:09.759 --> 00:17:15.640 And that's not all because the promenade was the promenade deck. 265 00:17:15.720 --> 00:17:19.559 The b deck was configured differently on the sunken ship 266 00:17:20.319 --> 00:17:22.920 than was originally with Titanic blueprints. Not to mention the 267 00:17:22.920 --> 00:17:26.519 stuff you'd already mentioned about people noticing the fixture seemed 268 00:17:26.519 --> 00:17:28.720 a lot older and the carpet was worn out. So yeah, 269 00:17:28.759 --> 00:17:31.200 that's one of the big reasons that everybody's like, hmm, 270 00:17:31.359 --> 00:17:34.119 did they swap these bitches? Yeah, I'm kind of thinking 271 00:17:34.200 --> 00:17:36.759 they might have pulled a swap there is. 272 00:17:37.000 --> 00:17:40.079 You know, a lot of people have explained that there 273 00:17:40.200 --> 00:17:44.920 was no swap, the configuration of the potholes were actually 274 00:17:45.039 --> 00:17:48.680 done prior to its sailing, blah blah blah blah blah. 275 00:17:48.880 --> 00:17:53.319 And but this theory, you know, they keep debunking it, 276 00:17:53.359 --> 00:17:57.519 and yet it keeps floating because no pun intended. I'm like, 277 00:18:00.480 --> 00:18:04.240 because it as much as you it's almost like a 278 00:18:04.319 --> 00:18:07.319 jigsaw puzzle that all, you know, the piece almost fits, 279 00:18:07.400 --> 00:18:10.759 but that little corner it's like, doesn't go in right. 280 00:18:11.119 --> 00:18:12.920 So it's kind of like that. 281 00:18:15.119 --> 00:18:18.279 Well, and even internal things, you know, like the staircases 282 00:18:18.319 --> 00:18:22.240 and everything, and the ones at the bottom of the 283 00:18:22.279 --> 00:18:26.279 ocean matched the photographs of the Olympic, not what was 284 00:18:26.359 --> 00:18:28.440 in these brochures for the Titanic. 285 00:18:30.599 --> 00:18:33.759 Some people actually tend to think that, oh, they took 286 00:18:33.839 --> 00:18:37.759 the pictures of you know, for the brochure of the Titanic, 287 00:18:38.000 --> 00:18:40.319 they took it off the other ship and put it 288 00:18:40.400 --> 00:18:42.839 on it because it wasn't finished yet, and so there's 289 00:18:42.880 --> 00:18:50.079 always some kind of explanation for that. But usually when 290 00:18:50.119 --> 00:18:54.440 you're putting out the information in a brochure or in 291 00:18:54.680 --> 00:18:57.799 a flyer, you know, those beautiful flyers that they used 292 00:18:57.799 --> 00:19:04.680 to paint and everything. You want to be as correct 293 00:19:04.720 --> 00:19:07.880 as possible, as accurate as possible, because these people are 294 00:19:07.920 --> 00:19:11.200 paying a lot of money to get to be in 295 00:19:11.599 --> 00:19:15.279 these ships, so you want to incentivize them to actually 296 00:19:15.400 --> 00:19:19.240 book and so you want to show the opulence. So 297 00:19:20.960 --> 00:19:24.039 the thing that you know it not matching. Yeah, that 298 00:19:24.160 --> 00:19:25.559 was a major red flag. 299 00:19:28.039 --> 00:19:29.759 Yeah that with me too. It's I mean, yeah, I 300 00:19:29.839 --> 00:19:31.799 get it's like, okay, well, you know a lot of 301 00:19:31.839 --> 00:19:35.920 the photographs probably got mixed up and everything. But like 302 00:19:36.039 --> 00:19:39.359 you said, this was a time where it's like doing 303 00:19:39.519 --> 00:19:43.000 things good enough, especially for JP Morgan because he was 304 00:19:43.039 --> 00:19:47.039 a stickler with detail, you know, getting it done, it's 305 00:19:47.079 --> 00:19:48.559 good enough, Just fuck. 306 00:19:48.400 --> 00:19:48.880 It, ship it. 307 00:19:50.119 --> 00:19:53.559 That didn't fly, you know, not with the not with 308 00:19:53.640 --> 00:19:56.599 the people at the time, and not with JP Morgan himself. 309 00:19:57.680 --> 00:20:02.079 Right, he was very I one would classify him as 310 00:20:02.119 --> 00:20:06.279 being OCD. That was one of the reasons he was 311 00:20:06.359 --> 00:20:11.160 so successful and with his financial empire. Irony of irony 312 00:20:11.240 --> 00:20:13.279 is the only thing that he did not succeed in 313 00:20:13.640 --> 00:20:19.880 was the imm which was part of the whole shipping 314 00:20:20.160 --> 00:20:24.000 deal with White Star Line. But everything else he was 315 00:20:24.079 --> 00:20:29.759 so meticulous and paid so much attention to detail, that. Yeah, 316 00:20:29.880 --> 00:20:32.519 for him to actually say, eh, it's okay, you know, 317 00:20:32.640 --> 00:20:35.720 eighty percent, it's good to send it off. I don't 318 00:20:35.759 --> 00:20:39.000 see that happening, not with him, right. 319 00:20:40.880 --> 00:20:43.559 Yeah. You know, it's like I mentioned before, where you know, 320 00:20:43.680 --> 00:20:47.960 passengers commenting that the ship looked tired. But the thing 321 00:20:48.039 --> 00:20:51.759 with the Olympics keel. It's not something that could have 322 00:20:51.839 --> 00:20:55.920 been fixed. So you have to start wondering how much 323 00:20:56.000 --> 00:20:57.519 money are they going to put into this thing to 324 00:20:57.640 --> 00:21:02.799 keep it seaworthy? Because after the accident excuse me, you know, 325 00:21:02.880 --> 00:21:05.359 it was said that it had you know, on while 326 00:21:05.400 --> 00:21:07.519 I was getting back to be repaired, that it had 327 00:21:07.559 --> 00:21:11.960 handling problems, that it was just it it didn't sail. True. 328 00:21:12.839 --> 00:21:17.000 So you know, the question it begs

the question, why 329 00:21:17.039 --> 00:21:19.519 would the White Star Line continue to throw money into 330 00:21:19.599 --> 00:21:23.160 this and we're positing that they didn't. 331 00:21:25.720 --> 00:21:26.200 Coact? 332 00:21:27.200 --> 00:21:29.319 Yeah, no, I mean, well that's exactly it. The the 333 00:21:30.640 --> 00:21:33.279 the Olympic had become a money pit and there was 334 00:21:33.319 --> 00:21:35.000 no way there was no way to get it insured 335 00:21:35.000 --> 00:21:38.400 again because and the thing about the scariest thing about 336 00:21:38.440 --> 00:21:39.799 this theory, when you stop and think about it, is 337 00:21:39.839 --> 00:21:41.400 the only people that would have really been able to 338 00:21:42.319 --> 00:21:45.519 know one thousand percent that it was, whether this was 339 00:21:45.720 --> 00:21:49.599 the Sister Ship or the Titanic, would have been shipyard engineers. 340 00:21:50.240 --> 00:21:52.680 And I can't imagine anybody that was, you know, dependent 341 00:21:52.720 --> 00:21:56.680 on a paycheck from these people, especially once the Titanic sank, going, 342 00:21:57.119 --> 00:21:59.480 hey guys, you know something really bad happened, because then 343 00:21:59.519 --> 00:22:00.680 they probably did next. 344 00:22:01.480 --> 00:22:06.039 Right, Yeah, you would have to, you know, so many 345 00:22:06.079 --> 00:22:08.119 people would have had to have kept us a secret 346 00:22:08.359 --> 00:22:12.400 and literally take it to the grave, because the shipyard 347 00:22:12.519 --> 00:22:16.920 is not like five people building a boat. It's five 348 00:22:17.839 --> 00:22:22.880 hundred thousands, you know, that are doing this. So that's 349 00:22:22.920 --> 00:22:24.960 a big stumbling book, I guess. 350 00:22:26.920 --> 00:22:28.759 I mean, yeah, I mean, I mean it's more than 351 00:22:28.880 --> 00:22:30.960 just you know, changing some fittings around, you know, the 352 00:22:31.599 --> 00:22:35.799 life preservers and painting Titanic on the on the ship. 353 00:22:36.440 --> 00:22:44.440 But and that's kind of like oxenber Ockham's razor on 354 00:22:44.559 --> 00:22:46.599 this whole thing, is that too many people would have 355 00:22:46.640 --> 00:22:48.759 had to have been involved in it. But how many 356 00:22:48.799 --> 00:22:51.400 times we talked about things on the show that too 357 00:22:51.480 --> 00:22:53.400 many people would have had to have been involved in 358 00:22:53.599 --> 00:22:56.079 for it to be real. And then it's no longer 359 00:22:56.160 --> 00:22:58.720 conspiratment on the show anymore. It's something that was like, yeah, 360 00:22:58.759 --> 00:23:00.240 we fucking nailed that one. We called it. 361 00:23:00.960 --> 00:23:03.960 You know, that's happened. That's happened what five or six 362 00:23:04.039 --> 00:23:05.359 times since we started doing Yeah. 363 00:23:06.640 --> 00:23:09.319 Yeah, but I mean you take a conspiracy of hundreds, 364 00:23:09.440 --> 00:23:12.119 not really, because I mean most people are just going 365 00:23:12.160 --> 00:23:14.240 through their day. They just like they know they're working 366 00:23:14.279 --> 00:23:15.799 on the ship. They're not looking at the bow on 367 00:23:15.880 --> 00:23:17.839 it say oh fuck, didn't they used to say Olympic 368 00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:19.160 you know. 369 00:23:20.119 --> 00:23:21.839 Yes, And it's not like you could take the ships 370 00:23:21.880 --> 00:23:28.440 and switch their berths, right, So there's that too, mm. 371 00:23:28.359 --> 00:23:31.359 Hmm, Yeah, it's okay. The middle of the night, you 372 00:23:31.400 --> 00:23:32.440 guys swapped places? 373 00:23:33.720 --> 00:23:33.920 Do it? 374 00:23:34.079 --> 00:23:35.559 Like Freaky Fried years. 375 00:23:35.480 --> 00:23:40.119 There musical births, musical births like midnight and they turned 376 00:23:40.160 --> 00:23:42.319 on the music and this which ships? Which places? 377 00:23:43.240 --> 00:23:48.680 Yeah? Yeah, I could Sacks is playing. But still, I mean, 378 00:23:49.440 --> 00:23:51.920 all you have all these things, you've got, you know, 379 00:23:52.200 --> 00:23:56.200 the porthole counts, the deck layouts, the impressions that there's 380 00:23:56.240 --> 00:23:59.440 just so many cracks you know in the in the 381 00:24:00.400 --> 00:24:03.680 in the story that you kind of have to wonder, okay, 382 00:24:03.880 --> 00:24:08.119 so you know I can see it. I mean, it's 383 00:24:08.160 --> 00:24:10.000 not like this would be the first case or even 384 00:24:10.039 --> 00:24:11.559 the biggest case of insurance fraud. 385 00:24:12.319 --> 00:24:17.519 True, So you know what this means, right, This means 386 00:24:17.559 --> 00:24:20.920 that the Titanic is officially the unsinkable conspiracy theory. 387 00:24:22.559 --> 00:24:23.359 I see what you did? 388 00:24:23.400 --> 00:24:25.480 That, well done? 389 00:24:29.240 --> 00:24:32.759 Yeah, that was that was one of the the things 390 00:24:32.799 --> 00:24:35.200 that really kind of stump me. That they would have 391 00:24:35.640 --> 00:24:39.400 everybody would have to keep quiet or everybody would have 392 00:24:39.519 --> 00:24:43.319 to be disappeared somehow, you know, And there is no 393 00:24:43.440 --> 00:24:47.279 record that anybody, you know, had bad luck and died, 394 00:24:47.559 --> 00:24:49.720 like hundreds of them that had built the ships had 395 00:24:49.839 --> 00:24:55.400 passed away or moved away or you know, there was 396 00:24:55.440 --> 00:24:58.240 no track of that. Nothing ever came from that. 397 00:25:00.200 --> 00:25:00.400 Yeah. 398 00:25:00.480 --> 00:25:03.680 I mean, also, this is nineteen twelve. You know, fifty 399 00:25:03.720 --> 00:25:07.920 bucks goes a long way. This is true, but still, 400 00:25:08.200 --> 00:25:10.240 you know, but still it's kind of like, holy shit, no, 401 00:25:10.519 --> 00:25:12.200 you know, I you. 402 00:25:12.240 --> 00:25:14.680 Know, and

forensics was very very cool. 403 00:25:14.759 --> 00:25:16.599 Hundreds of people died and I'm going to keep my 404 00:25:16.640 --> 00:25:19.440 mouth shut for fifty bucks, I don't think, so open 405 00:25:19.519 --> 00:25:20.519 up that check pook JP. 406 00:25:29.839 --> 00:25:30.640 I can't imagine it. 407 00:25:32.359 --> 00:25:36.119 Yeah, no, I mean, and look, I mean this is 408 00:25:36.599 --> 00:25:40.759 still technically against beers E theory, but I mean, I 409 00:25:40.839 --> 00:25:41.920 mean it could be that. 410 00:25:42.559 --> 00:25:44.720 We can tie that to another one. Hey, all of 411 00:25:44.799 --> 00:25:49.039 these people that you know, they paid off. The payoffs 412 00:25:49.119 --> 00:25:53.000 were like dwindling, and here comes the flu epidemic of 413 00:25:53.079 --> 00:25:55.839 nineteen eighteen to wipe them all out. I mean, you 414 00:25:55.920 --> 00:25:57.079 can tie it to another one. 415 00:25:58.039 --> 00:25:59.599 Well, that's what I was absolutely unlus. 416 00:25:59.599 --> 00:26:00.839 You got War one going on. 417 00:26:01.599 --> 00:26:03.680 Yeah, I mean we're in the middle of World War One. 418 00:26:03.880 --> 00:26:05.720 You've got the flu epidemic that hit just a few 419 00:26:05.759 --> 00:26:07.759 years later. So I mean there's a good chance that 420 00:26:07.839 --> 00:26:10.079 people may have just been going just dealing with so 421 00:26:10.160 --> 00:26:12.079 much different craft that they never even they never even 422 00:26:12.079 --> 00:26:13.319 thought about putting the dots together. 423 00:26:14.039 --> 00:26:16.000 Yeah, did anybody ever check to see if everybody who 424 00:26:16.079 --> 00:26:17.519 worked on those dogs got sent to the. 425 00:26:19.799 --> 00:26:20.440 Front lines? 426 00:26:21.160 --> 00:26:24.319 Front lines? Yeah, you're all conscripted now. 427 00:26:26.079 --> 00:26:31.200 But yeah, and you know, yes, the theory goes that 428 00:26:31.759 --> 00:26:36.640 the intent was to sink the Olympic disguised as the 429 00:26:36.759 --> 00:26:41.839 Titanic for insurance from. 430 00:26:43.799 --> 00:26:46.400 And for other reasons. We will be the reason, just 431 00:26:46.480 --> 00:26:48.720 the insurance fraund thing. There there's a lot of uh, 432 00:26:49.480 --> 00:26:51.160 there's a lot of signs that point. 433 00:26:50.960 --> 00:26:53.519 To yes in this that there's a lot of threads. 434 00:26:53.599 --> 00:26:56.279 There's a lot of what do you call it web 435 00:26:56.599 --> 00:26:57.599 web threads, you know. 436 00:27:00.319 --> 00:27:02.240 By the time we're by the time we're done talking 437 00:27:02.279 --> 00:27:05.400 about this, the insurance fraud angle is gonna be the 438 00:27:05.559 --> 00:27:10.000 lesser of a lot of these threats. Yeah, because because 439 00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:12.599 it's because it's money and it's there, and it was 440 00:27:12.680 --> 00:27:14.559 a way that they figured out that they could fix 441 00:27:14.640 -->

00:27:17.279 the fick, fix the ship that was becoming a huge problem. 442 00:27:17.880 --> 00:27:20.200 But if what if, if what happened happened in the 443 00:27:20.240 --> 00:27:22.160 way that we are going to be discussing it tonight, 444 00:27:22.519 --> 00:27:25.480 there was a much bigger reason they sank the ship, 445 00:27:27.440 --> 00:27:28.880 and it may have even been on purpose. 446 00:27:30.839 --> 00:27:34.319 Well all all, all, every one of these stories points 447 00:27:34.359 --> 00:27:36.359 to them doing it on purpose. You know, is it one? 448 00:27:36.720 --> 00:27:37.559 Is it both of them? 449 00:27:37.759 --> 00:27:37.920 Is it? 450 00:27:39.279 --> 00:27:39.440 You know? 451 00:27:40.119 --> 00:27:43.680 It's either one the other or both. So, I mean, 452 00:27:43.799 --> 00:27:49.200 there's a lot going on with this, and. 453 00:27:49.559 --> 00:27:52.759 I guess that leads to the second part of that theory. 454 00:27:54.079 --> 00:27:56.960 That leads to the break is what that leads to, Kay, 455 00:27:59.480 --> 00:28:00.240 you're dumping. 456 00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:02.200 The gun man, he insists, we take breaks around here. 457 00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:06.279 Wow, gosh, okay, fine, whatever, I'll wait. 458 00:28:07.680 --> 00:28:11.160 I know I either either either I either missed the 459 00:28:11.240 --> 00:28:13.599 notes though, or I wasn't told what to use for breaks, So. 460 00:28:15.079 --> 00:28:31.839 Whatever, don't whatever, Wait the Belfast. Jeff just sent me 461 00:28:31.920 --> 00:28:34.480 this in discord. The Bellfast shipyards didn't keep that kind 462 00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:37.279 of work or war connection and British military service roles 463 00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:44.559 weren't cross reference to specific industrial projects. Probably those nuts, yes, 464 00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:52.720 probably for reasons, just saying. And also from Jeff uh 465 00:28:53.559 --> 00:28:56.000 when war broke out in nineteen fourteen, thousands of Harlem 466 00:28:56.039 --> 00:28:58.319 and the wolf Man, those were those the shipyards that 467 00:28:58.359 --> 00:29:04.680 both the ships were in, especially from Belfast. The thirty 468 00:29:04.720 --> 00:29:08.880 six thirty sixth divisions show heavy proportion of shipyard workers, 469 00:29:10.200 --> 00:29:12.680 and of the fifty thousand men in that division, over 470 00:29:12.720 --> 00:29:13.799 five thousand were killed. 471 00:29:16.960 --> 00:29:20.119 Hmmm. Fun times, fun times. 472 00:29:20.440 --> 00:29:22.160 So it is reasonable to assume that a ton of 473 00:29:22.200 --> 00:29:24.680 the shipworkers that were on that died in the war. 474 00:29:25.319 --> 00:29:29.000 Yeah, that is It is entirely plausible. All right, So 475 00:29:29.119 --> 00:29:30.920 did you have anything you wanted me to play for 476 00:29:31.000 --> 00:29:36.119 the breaks? Okay? No, well I didn't. I've been here 477 00:29:36.160 --> 00:29:38.880 for like fifteen minutes, so I didn't start finding anything 478 00:29:38.960 --> 00:29:45.279 yet either. So I was wondering if you had an either, Well. 479 00:29:45.200 --> 00:29:46.559 If we just want to go into the next segment, 480 00:29:46.599 --> 00:29:47.880 skip the break and just go to the bottom of 481 00:29:47.880 --> 00:29:49.319 the hour, I can do that too. I'm still fine 482 00:29:49.359 --> 00:29:52.920 on my drink. I've been slipping, slipping slow. Jesus Christ, 483 00:29:52.960 --> 00:29:54.240 heavy hand on that one already. 484 00:29:55.680 --> 00:29:56.880 How much of you drink? 485 00:29:57.000 --> 00:30:03.240 You actually just half a cup of tea, but with 486 00:30:03.400 --> 00:30:05.839 the brandy and the amaretto in it. And boy I 487 00:30:05.920 --> 00:30:08.920 did go heavy handed, all right. 488 00:30:08.920 --> 00:30:10.440 So yeah, let's just go in a segment two. 489 00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:18.359 Okay, So this we're talking about the insurance angle first, 490 00:30:18.400 --> 00:30:21.480 you know, in the motive of JP Morgan and to 491 00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:26.440 do this switcher roof for you know, insurance money. As 492 00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:30.759 we talked about JP Morgan's put a lot of his 493 00:30:30.839 --> 00:30:33.920 eggs in the the IMM basket. We keep talking about 494 00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:36.799 the IM. It's the International Mercantile Marine. This was a 495 00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:41.319 trust designed to consolidate all of his trans Olympic transatlantic 496 00:30:41.359 --> 00:30:46.720 shipping industries under the control under his control. And while 497 00:30:46.759 --> 00:30:50.960 it was ambitious, it wasn't really financially sound, you know, 498 00:30:51.200 --> 00:30:53.440 between the costs of acquiring the ship lines like the 499 00:30:53.480 --> 00:30:57.240 White Star and then to have the you know, the 500 00:30:57.319 --> 00:31:01.839 collision with the HMS Hawk that that left it in 501 00:31:03.799 --> 00:31:04.880 a precarious position. 502 00:31:10.759 --> 00:31:13.200 So I mean we talked about this earlier. This actually 503 00:31:13.400 --> 00:31:18.720 left this now organization in a very floundering and precarious 504 00:31:18.799 --> 00:31:23.759 position with a ship it couldn't generate profit, but also 505 00:31:24.240 --> 00:31:28.559 kept demanding more and more money for repair costs. So 506 00:31:29.000 --> 00:31:31.759 the insurance angles actually central to the switching theory. That 507 00:31:31.880 --> 00:31:36.000 Titanic was fully insured for around one million pounds at 508 00:31:36.039 --> 00:31:38.519 the time, that was a massive sum of money, while 509 00:31:38.519 --> 00:31:41.920 the Olympic, because of its collision and being ruled at fault, 510 00:31:42.759 --> 00:31:46.440 was not only not insured but unable to be insured. 511 00:31:46.599 --> 00:31:49.759 So from a cold financial perspective, Titanic was worth more 512 00:31:49.839 --> 00:31:53.359 to Morgan and White Star sunk

than Olympic was afloat. 513 00:31:54.359 --> 00:31:56.960 So the argument goes that Morgan, a man known for 514 00:31:57.079 --> 00:32:02.160 his ruthless pragmatism in business, would not hesitate so away 515 00:32:02.240 --> 00:32:05.480 the loss of a ship against the preservation of his 516 00:32:06.799 --> 00:32:08.839 now precarious financial empire. 517 00:32:10.920 --> 00:32:11.200 Wow. 518 00:32:13.319 --> 00:32:14.680 Sorry, I felt like that needed that there. 519 00:32:18.279 --> 00:32:24.000 Yeah, from all accounts, JP Morgan was ruthless in all 520 00:32:24.119 --> 00:32:25.400 aspects of his life. 521 00:32:27.559 --> 00:32:27.759 There. 522 00:32:28.839 --> 00:32:31.680 I remember reading rumors about the way he treated those 523 00:32:31.759 --> 00:32:34.799 closest to him, and it wasn't pretty. So I can't 524 00:32:34.960 --> 00:32:39.839 imagine him being very kind to people he didn't have 525 00:32:39.960 --> 00:32:45.000 in his immediate circle, or you know, he just considered 526 00:32:45.079 --> 00:32:50.920 people who worked for him. So he was a very 527 00:32:51.039 --> 00:32:56.440 ruthless binanceer. Would he be willing to take the steps 528 00:32:56.480 --> 00:32:58.359 to sink a ship full of people. 529 00:32:58.440 --> 00:32:58.920 Just to. 530 00:33:00.400 --> 00:33:05.319 Get his way a year on? You know when it 531 00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:07.799 comes to the FED I don't know. I don't know 532 00:33:07.839 --> 00:33:11.240 if he is capable of something like that. But it 533 00:33:11.440 --> 00:33:16.200 was rather odd that three of the biggest critics against 534 00:33:17.480 --> 00:33:21.039 the Federal Reserve were a board, And it is rather 535 00:33:21.119 --> 00:33:24.680 odd that JP Morgan was supposed to be a board 536 00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:31.039 but he canceled his ticket because of illness. But weirdly, 537 00:33:31.319 --> 00:33:34.200 he also had several pieces of art that were a 538 00:33:34.319 --> 00:33:40.160 board that belonged to him also removed. Those pieces of 539 00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:45.160 art were supposed to go to New York and you know, 540 00:33:45.279 --> 00:33:50.960 through his home there, so everybody thinks, wow, that's kind 541 00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:52.799 of weird. And then there are reports that he was 542 00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:57.799 seeing the day after that in Paris quite healthy. 543 00:33:58.799 --> 00:34:02.279 So yeah, not on a sick bed after all, were you, 544 00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:06.119 mister Morgan? No, No, not really. But there's more to 545 00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:08.559 this though, because one of the biggest things that everybody 546 00:34:08.599 --> 00:34:12.320 talks about was the lifeboats, the lifeboat shortage. So this 547 00:34:12.480 --> 00:34:15.159 is another thing that everybody's put under massive scrutiny because 548 00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:17.760 the Titanic carried lifeboats for only about half of its 549 00:34:17.800 --> 00:34:20.599 passenger load. So a lot of folks have been like, well, 550 00:34:20.679 --> 00:34:24.000 of course they did. This was framed as this was 551 00:34:24.079 --> 00:34:28.199 framed historically as an unsingable ship, and the lifeboat a 552 00:34:28.320 --> 00:34:31.880 coverage was part of outdated regulations and misplaced confidence in 553 00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:36.320 the ship's unsingable design. But look at this from another perspective. 554 00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:40.159 If this man is as ruthless as we are claiming 555 00:34:40.280 --> 00:34:43.360 that he is, how much easier is it to keep 556 00:34:43.400 --> 00:34:46.840 your narrative alive if not as many people are alive 557 00:34:46.920 --> 00:34:47.519 to question it. 558 00:34:49.840 --> 00:34:51.119 Yeah, and you know a lot of the people who 559 00:34:51.239 --> 00:34:53.519 question this is like, so, you know, they just knew 560 00:34:53.559 --> 00:34:56.199 that the ice the iceberg was going to be there. No, 561 00:34:56.800 --> 00:35:00.639 this ship was going to be scuttled. I mean that's 562 00:35:01.159 --> 00:35:04.239 there were sections of it that were sealed off that 563 00:35:04.360 --> 00:35:11.159 nobody had access to, and so the iceberg was just 564 00:35:11.239 --> 00:35:15.280 kind of a happy accident, you know, well, yes, juncture 565 00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:15.559 with the. 566 00:35:15.519 --> 00:35:19.280 Scuttling, yes, and no, it was sort of an accident. 567 00:35:19.480 --> 00:35:21.639 But I don't know if you recall there was a 568 00:35:21.760 --> 00:35:25.360 book that came out I think it was called I 569 00:35:25.440 --> 00:35:28.800 want to say Futility, and it was renamed the Wreck 570 00:35:28.880 --> 00:35:34.480 of the Titan for radio, and that book came out 571 00:35:34.920 --> 00:35:38.159 in eighteen ninety eight, and there are parallels about the 572 00:35:38.280 --> 00:35:41.039 ship and how it sinks because it strikes and the 573 00:35:41.159 --> 00:35:44.000 name of the ship was the titan and it sunk 574 00:35:44.360 --> 00:35:48.599 in the rth Atlantic because of an iceberg. And people 575 00:35:49.000 --> 00:35:57.960 actually asked the author if he was clairvoyant or everything. No, 576 00:35:58.119 --> 00:36:01.199 it turns out that he had worked in the shipyards, 577 00:36:01.280 --> 00:36:04.480 he had worked with shipping and he knew all of 578 00:36:04.559 --> 00:36:08.320 the how the Gulf stream and all of how the 579 00:36:08.440 --> 00:36:13.320 icebergs actually moved in that area, and that's why he 580 00:36:13.400 --> 00:36:15.000 wrote the book when he did. 581 00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:17.760 And so it is. 582 00:36:17.960 --> 00:36:21.159 Possible that people did know the possibility of an iceberg 583 00:36:21.239 --> 00:36:25.320 being in that area at that particular point in the 584 00:36:26.239 --> 00:36:32.880 in the calendar year. That could have actually been part 585 00:36:32.920 --> 00:36:36.280 of the plan. I mean, I know it's a far thread.

586 00:36:36.679 --> 00:36:40.400 It is a very thin, very weak thread. But I 587 00:36:40.440 --> 00:36:42.199 always thought that it was kind of interesting that this 588 00:36:42.320 --> 00:36:45.440 guy writes this book because of his knowledge of the waters, 589 00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:48.480 knowing that an iceberg would be there at that time 590 00:36:48.559 --> 00:36:52.599 of the year, and here comes a Titanic and there's 591 00:36:52.599 --> 00:36:54.079 an iceberg at that time of the year. 592 00:36:54.960 --> 00:36:57.800 You know, yeah, I mean, that's like you said, that's 593 00:36:57.880 --> 00:36:59.920 quite the crapshoot there that you know. It's I mean, yes, 594 00:37:02.719 --> 00:37:04.920 like quicksand we don't hear about it anymore, but you know, 595 00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:07.239 we were brought up thinking, oh my god, icebergs are everywhere. 596 00:37:08.760 --> 00:37:13.119 But yeah, I mean it's a crapshoot. So I mean, obviously, 597 00:37:13.119 --> 00:37:16.760 you know, the scuttling was the fallback plan because you know, 598 00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:19.480 it is the maiden voyage and boilers can blow up 599 00:37:20.440 --> 00:37:24.320 and you know, with cataclysmic damage, so you know, but 600 00:37:24.679 --> 00:37:26.800 you know, the iceberg that's like, hey, great, you know 601 00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:31.079 we you know, we didn't have to do anything that 602 00:37:31.119 --> 00:37:33.239 would raise questions for the people that did make it 603 00:37:33.320 --> 00:37:34.159 to the lifeboats. 604 00:37:38.079 --> 00:37:41.719 Well well, so, so just to point out, you know 605 00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:45.280 the fact that it seems like mister JP Morgan may 606 00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:48.119 have been a diabolical asshole. So we've already pointed out 607 00:37:48.159 --> 00:37:50.159 that he had this lavish suite that he was supposed 608 00:37:50.199 --> 00:37:52.960 to be, you know, sailing across in that he never 609 00:37:53.679 --> 00:37:57.199 then he basically removed himself from the voyage and took 610 00:37:57.239 --> 00:37:57.679 his art. 611 00:37:57.599 --> 00:38:00.519 With all his bronze statues and his art, and yeah. 612 00:38:00.760 --> 00:38:03.159 But there were other people that were associates of his 613 00:38:03.360 --> 00:38:05.320 that were supposed to be on the boat that didn't 614 00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:06.199 make the trip either. 615 00:38:07.159 --> 00:38:10.480 That was another weird thing that his associates, the people 616 00:38:10.599 --> 00:38:18.440 that were working with him towards this federal reserve plan 617 00:38:18.719 --> 00:38:21.880 and whatever, decided not to go on the ship either. 618 00:38:23.559 --> 00:38:28.960 Now it's possible that, oh, I'm not going on the ship. Well, 619 00:38:29.079 --> 00:38:30.599 if he's not going to be there, then I won't 620 00:38:30.599 --> 00:38:33.920 be there either. You know, some people are like that, like, oh, oh, 621 00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:35.920 if he's not going, then I'm not going, you know, 622 00:38:36.039 --> 00:38:39.800 because they wanted to like either keep up the networking 623 00:38:40.360 --> 00:38:45.440 or brown nosing or wanting to a little bit of 624 00:38:45.519 --> 00:38:48.199 that rich lifestyle to rebuff on them. You know, for 625 00:38:48.320 --> 00:38:53.719 whatever reason, it's possible that that's what happened, but it's 626 00:38:53.960 --> 00:38:54.760 very suspicious. 627 00:38:55.199 --> 00:38:57.440 But here's the other part of this, though, because when 628 00:38:57.480 --> 00:38:59.760 you look at this, it almost reads like some sort 629 00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:04.559 of a script written the macisimized Morgan's game with either 630 00:39:04.719 --> 00:39:09.599 coincidence or potentially careful orchestration, because while a lot of 631 00:39:09.679 --> 00:39:12.239 his folks didn't show up, a lot of his rivals 632 00:39:12.239 --> 00:39:14.159 still got on a boat. Yes. 633 00:39:14.599 --> 00:39:16.760 Yeah, And that's what always kind of screams at me 634 00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:19.119 about this is that, you know, with the Titanic being 635 00:39:19.199 --> 00:39:22.280 the crown jewel of White Star lines at the time, 636 00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:24.559 you know, until the Britannic was to be launched, but 637 00:39:24.639 --> 00:39:26.480 at the time that you know, this was the bell 638 00:39:26.519 --> 00:39:31.119 of the ball and almost everyone from IMM and JP 639 00:39:31.320 --> 00:39:35.760 Morgan's circle was just decided to not take the trip. 640 00:39:37.159 --> 00:39:40.559 I mean, this is like, you know, at the time, 641 00:39:40.679 --> 00:39:43.280 to put this in perspective, this is like being a 642 00:39:43.400 --> 00:39:45.280 movie star and not going to the Oscars. It's like 643 00:39:45.480 --> 00:39:48.920 being a recording artist and not going to the Grammys. 644 00:39:48.960 --> 00:39:51.920 You're going to be seen, You're going to show off. 645 00:39:52.519 --> 00:39:55.000 You know, you're gonna go get all the pats on 646 00:39:55.119 --> 00:39:58.079 the back and oh, you know, Chip Chip fantastic ship 647 00:39:58.199 --> 00:40:00.559 kind of bullshit. You're not gonna us out on that. 648 00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:02.719 You know, this was a social event. This was the 649 00:40:02.880 --> 00:40:05.000 social event of nineteen twelve. 650 00:40:07.480 --> 00:40:09.000 Yeah, it was like Rick was. 651 00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:13.119 Saying the list of the who's who's who were to 652 00:40:13.199 --> 00:40:16.880 be on the ship, and by coincidence, who were not 653 00:40:17.519 --> 00:40:22.400 versus those who were. It's like all of JP Morgan's competitors, 654 00:40:23.079 --> 00:40:25.920 not all of them, but you know a significant portion 655 00:40:26.239 --> 00:40:30.199 of the most powerful were on the ship, and nobody 656 00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:31.679 from White Star could be asked to go. 657 00:40:35.480 -->

00:40:37.840 Yeah, I mean it's just you know me, I'm one 658 00:40:37.880 --> 00:40:41.039 of those people that really doesn't believe in coincidences. And 659 00:40:41.320 --> 00:40:45.920 we just outlined four separate coincidences just in the last 660 00:40:46.360 --> 00:40:47.039 forty minutes. 661 00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:53.159 That's that's that's what they say. One time is this, 662 00:40:53.480 --> 00:40:56.639 twice is coincidence, three times conspiracy. We're at four or 663 00:40:56.719 --> 00:40:57.559 five six. 664 00:40:57.519 --> 00:41:04.159 Now see, And you know it's the argument is you know, 665 00:41:04.239 --> 00:41:06.639 the scuttling plot, you know, it's two dangers of it 666 00:41:06.639 --> 00:41:14.719 at risk, you know, but you know, Morgan has a 667 00:41:14.880 --> 00:41:20.840 history of doing these insane financial risks that you know. 668 00:41:21.280 --> 00:41:23.840 Well, not well attempting them, but not only just attempting them, 669 00:41:24.039 --> 00:41:26.599 but actually managing to pull off some things that a 670 00:41:26.679 --> 00:41:29.920 lot of people would think were impossible. And that's just it. 671 00:41:30.480 --> 00:41:34.719 I mean, everybody's everybody that argues is like it would 672 00:41:34.719 --> 00:41:36.039 have been too hard to pull off, It would have 673 00:41:36.079 --> 00:41:37.719 been impossible. I mean, we just talked about one of 674 00:41:37.760 --> 00:41:40.280 the biggest ones in the first segment. There were hundreds 675 00:41:40.280 --> 00:41:43.840 of people involved in repairing the Olympic and getting the 676 00:41:43.920 --> 00:41:46.519 Titanic ready to sail, So how come none of them 677 00:41:46.599 --> 00:41:49.119 said anything? And then, you you know, give a wink 678 00:41:49.159 --> 00:41:50.719 week nuts nudge to the fact that there was a 679 00:41:50.760 --> 00:41:52.840 war going on around that same time, and a lot 680 00:41:52.920 --> 00:41:54.440 of them may have been shipped off, never to be 681 00:41:54.519 --> 00:41:56.800 heard from again, along with a flu that broke out 682 00:41:56.840 --> 00:41:59.280 just a few years later. And it's just kind of 683 00:41:59.400 --> 00:42:01.239 like eh, and then you're just looking at all this 684 00:42:01.440 --> 00:42:05.320 and it's like, so, yes, is it is it? Is 685 00:42:05.440 --> 00:42:07.360 it impossible? 686 00:42:07.840 --> 00:42:07.880 No? 687 00:42:08.360 --> 00:42:11.159 Is it unlikely? I'm not even sure I could say 688 00:42:11.159 --> 00:42:14.840 that anymore because again the fact that I mean, honestly, 689 00:42:14.960 --> 00:42:17.480 the only the only thing that I think Morgan did 690 00:42:17.960 --> 00:42:19.920 tipped it off. He should have let some of his 691 00:42:20.039 --> 00:42:20.760 buddies die to. 692 00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:23.719 I mean, that would have sealed it. 693 00:42:24.920 --> 00:42:28.119 Yeah, you know that absolutely, But and you know it's 694 00:42:28.360 --> 00:42:30.239 I mean, not to get political on this. We talked 695 00:42:30.239 --> 00:42:32.519 about well that's you know, there's a lot of people 696 00:42:32.519 --> 00:42:34.559 that would have had to have been involved in you know, 697 00:42:34.719 --> 00:42:36.559 is anybody really this callous? And all you got to 698 00:42:36.599 --> 00:42:39.920 do is point at the Arkansis list and Haiti with the. 699 00:42:41.000 --> 00:42:44.320 U CIA using crack on our people. 700 00:42:45.239 --> 00:42:49.840 Right, Yeah, I mean it's but I mean, and you know, comparatively, 701 00:42:50.360 --> 00:42:52.280 you know, and I just made a Clinton reference, comparatively, 702 00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:55.239 the Clintons were never ship compared to JP Morgan at 703 00:42:55.280 --> 00:42:59.360 his peak, you know, it's like, I mean, they they 704 00:42:59.719 --> 00:43:04.360 never reached his lofty heights. So you know, I'm thinking 705 00:43:04.400 --> 00:43:06.639 of that line from Dave is you know, it's like 706 00:43:06.760 --> 00:43:08.519 you can't kill him. It's like he's an ordinary man. 707 00:43:08.519 --> 00:43:09.960 I can kill an ory man. I can kill ten 708 00:43:10.119 --> 00:43:15.920 ordinary men. You know. That's you know, so you know, 709 00:43:16.280 --> 00:43:18.679 you know that you put yourself in a mindset that 710 00:43:18.760 --> 00:43:21.800 we're just fucking ants to these people, you know, and 711 00:43:22.199 --> 00:43:24.119 doesn't concern yourself with the opinions of the ant. 712 00:43:25.559 --> 00:43:28.119 That's why, you know, like MD says that the war 713 00:43:28.199 --> 00:43:31.159 didn't start for at least another two years later after that. 714 00:43:32.519 --> 00:43:36.679 The thing is, that's not a long period of time 715 00:43:37.719 --> 00:43:42.199 because there was there there was instability going on elsewhere 716 00:43:42.679 --> 00:43:43.480 outside of that. 717 00:43:43.960 --> 00:43:47.280 You know. So so it's well, so yeah, that's right. 718 00:43:47.679 --> 00:43:49.760 But another thing I want to point out is we're 719 00:43:49.880 --> 00:43:52.480 used to living in the twenty first century where information 720 00:43:52.679 --> 00:43:55.679 travels now at light speed. I mean, they're they're literal 721 00:43:55.800 --> 00:43:59.639 cables underwater that shoot information at near light speed now 722 00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:05.719 Indians now. But that that didn't happen then. So even 723 00:44:05.800 --> 00:44:09.000 if there was a rumbling, it would have taken months, 724 00:44:09.320 --> 00:44:11.960 potentially a year or more to start building up enough 725 00:44:12.360 --> 00:44:14.800 to start being noticed anywhere, and by then a lot 726 00:44:14.840 --> 00:44:17.079 of the upheavals and everything else had already been started. 727 00:44:19.400 --> 00:44:21.119 Well, you know, the other thing to throw in this too, 728 00:44:21.280 --> 00:44:27.880 is that this accident occurred just a couple

months before 729 00:44:27.920 --> 00:44:33.239 imn's bomb payments were due, and a successful insurance payout 730 00:44:33.360 --> 00:44:38.000 like this would stabilize the bank sheet for Morgan and imm. 731 00:44:39.920 --> 00:44:40.920 For quite some time. 732 00:44:44.960 --> 00:44:46.599 But you know, and then, you know, with all the 733 00:44:47.360 --> 00:44:49.480 you know, the women and children first ethic and the 734 00:44:49.559 --> 00:44:52.840 stories of the survivors and everything, anybody trying to cry 735 00:44:52.920 --> 00:44:55.199 out saying, hey, you know that was really the Olympic, 736 00:44:55.320 --> 00:44:58.639 and you know I work in the yards and you 737 00:44:58.719 --> 00:45:00.719 know this is what really happened, they would have just 738 00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:04.280 been ignored as a kook pretty much. I mean, well, 739 00:45:04.360 --> 00:45:05.920 let me think, like you were talking about, with the 740 00:45:05.960 --> 00:45:07.960 speed of the internet, now we can we can believe 741 00:45:07.960 --> 00:45:10.159 whatever we want within fifteen seconds after it happens. 742 00:45:11.360 --> 00:45:13.159 But uh, because we're gonna be able to see it 743 00:45:13.159 --> 00:45:15.400 in near real time. That's that stuff didn't happen like that. 744 00:45:16.079 --> 00:45:17.960 And I mean not to put too fine a point 745 00:45:18.039 --> 00:45:22.280 on this, but I am in was in real trouble. Yeah, 746 00:45:22.840 --> 00:45:26.360 like nobody really, nobody really talks about the depths of this. 747 00:45:26.599 --> 00:45:30.159 So as bad as this sounds a payoff, like you said, 748 00:45:30.880 --> 00:45:33.480 that would have been able to allow him to recoup 749 00:45:33.519 --> 00:45:37.000 all his losses and can and if he didn't the 750 00:45:37.239 --> 00:45:41.039 entire i AM consolidation project, was it a risk. So yes, 751 00:45:41.199 --> 00:45:43.719 it's a very dark thing that we're talking about, but 752 00:45:43.880 --> 00:45:45.519 in fact it would have been his lifeline. 753 00:45:48.519 --> 00:45:51.599 There are people who are like that that I'm serious 754 00:45:51.639 --> 00:45:55.079 that they would consider just destroying an entire city just 755 00:45:55.159 --> 00:45:57.639 to you know, for insurance frun. 756 00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:02.599 I know that we see it on not to put 757 00:46:02.639 --> 00:46:05.440 too fine a point, look at what's happening in California 758 00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:08.880 right now. The governor of California has basically been committing 759 00:46:08.960 --> 00:46:13.800 fundraising fraud and getting away with it. So it does happen. 760 00:46:14.960 --> 00:46:20.079 Yeah, I mean it's mochiavellian, but it's I mean, these 761 00:46:20.199 --> 00:46:23.280 ethos exist. They you can't deny that they do that 762 00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:26.239 they don't. And you know, while it seems like that, 763 00:46:26.320 --> 00:46:28.760 you know there's no way, you know, that's

normy thinking, 764 00:46:29.440 --> 00:46:31.599 you know, thinking there's no way that someone would do 765 00:46:31.639 --> 00:46:33.199 There's absolutely somebody. 766 00:46:32.920 --> 00:46:33.440 Who do this. 767 00:46:34.239 --> 00:46:40.159 You know, it's an I wouldn't put it past JP Morgan. 768 00:46:40.480 --> 00:46:41.519 I mean he was. 769 00:46:43.239 --> 00:46:49.079 He was absolutely Scrooge McDuck without the likability. 770 00:46:49.920 --> 00:46:53.599 Yeah, or the Tartan had the money been but none 771 00:46:53.599 --> 00:46:54.159 of the cuddles. 772 00:46:55.000 --> 00:46:56.440 Yes, no, No, he was. 773 00:46:56.639 --> 00:46:58.159 Definitely not a likable person. 774 00:46:58.639 --> 00:46:59.880 He was not like he was. 775 00:47:00.320 --> 00:47:03.760 He was respected in his field, but he was not liked. 776 00:47:05.320 --> 00:47:07.159 As a matter of fact, I seem to recall that 777 00:47:09.280 --> 00:47:17.199 Benjamin Guggenheim, whose brother Solomon actually was a big philanthropist 778 00:47:17.360 --> 00:47:21.960 and founded the Guggenheim Museum and the Solomon Guggenheim Foundation 779 00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:30.920 and everything. Benjamin had remarked that there was there was 780 00:47:31.119 --> 00:47:36.760 no reasoning with JP Morgan once Morgan actually set his 781 00:47:36.920 --> 00:47:41.039 mind to something, and that was one of the that 782 00:47:41.199 --> 00:47:44.000 was one of the reasons why they were like headbutting 783 00:47:44.079 --> 00:47:48.679 over this the Federal Reserve issue, because Morgan would not much. 784 00:47:48.880 --> 00:47:53.559 He was insistent that that it had to happen his way, 785 00:47:54.360 --> 00:47:59.800 end of discussion. So somebody of that type of character, 786 00:48:01.320 --> 00:48:04.360 once he set his mind to doing something, I can 787 00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:07.440 completely see him doing something like this. I know it's 788 00:48:07.639 --> 00:48:11.760 I know, it's it's huge. I mean, over so many people, 789 00:48:11.880 --> 00:48:19.119 hundreds of people died. But yeah, people that meant anything to. 790 00:48:19.280 --> 00:48:23.880 Him, right, they weren't his shareholder. They weren't his stockholders exactly, 791 00:48:24.800 --> 00:48:28.000 you know, and you know, and we're gonna be talking 792 00:48:28.000 --> 00:48:30.599 about it in the next second segment the people who 793 00:48:30.679 --> 00:48:35.079 actually were on the boat. There's motive enough alone, you know. 794 00:48:35.440 --> 00:48:38.920 I mean, it's you know, we've seen through history where 795 00:48:39.760 --> 00:48:42.679 you know, massive atrocities have been done to get to 796 00:48:42.800 --> 00:48:48.039 one person, so you know, and so putting it on 797 00:48:48.880 --> 00:48:52.159 you know, this scale, this level, and not just with 798 00:48:52.320 --> 00:48:56.239 Imm's future at stake, but with another project we're gonna 799 00:48:56.239 --> 00:49:02.000 be talking about being at steak as well. Yeah, it's Geevey, 800 00:49:02.079 --> 00:49:04.880 what what's a few thousand people? You know, there's millions 801 00:49:04.920 --> 00:49:07.239 more where they came from, billions now. 802 00:49:08.239 --> 00:49:08.320 So. 803 00:49:10.519 --> 00:49:13.760 And well, think about this, think about this from another 804 00:49:13.800 --> 00:49:16.199 perspective real quick, because you just made a very valid point. 805 00:49:16.960 --> 00:49:19.840 How many times from that era in history have we 806 00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:24.119 heard I can make more, I don't need you when 807 00:49:24.159 --> 00:49:26.599 somebody's talking one of their kids or something. 808 00:49:27.000 --> 00:49:27.800 So it's not like that. 809 00:49:28.119 --> 00:49:30.639 That wasn't even like a prevalent mindset of the day, 810 00:49:31.280 --> 00:49:33.000 like if you piss me off, I can kill you. 811 00:49:33.079 --> 00:49:38.440 I can always make another of you. So I mean, hell, 812 00:49:38.519 --> 00:49:40.360 I grew up in the seventies and my dad told 813 00:49:40.360 --> 00:49:42.679 me that almost every weekend. I brought you into this world. 814 00:49:42.719 --> 00:49:43.679 I can take your ass out. 815 00:49:48.440 --> 00:49:52.480 Yeah, I was, I bess dad saying that to me. 816 00:49:59.239 --> 00:50:01.320 So now my drink is absolutely empty. 817 00:50:03.039 --> 00:50:05.400 Nice. All right, Well, since we found the music, you 818 00:50:05.440 --> 00:50:06.639 wanted to go ahead and play it now, so we 819 00:50:06.679 --> 00:50:07.800 can go grab rinks and stuff. 820 00:50:08.280 --> 00:50:11.800 Yeah, let's do that, all right. Let me skip a 821 00:50:11.920 --> 00:50:13.639 station identification and do that. 822 00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:18.239 Yeah, my bad. 823 00:50:18.280 --> 00:50:20.960 I thought I had sent that to you when Jeff 824 00:50:21.000 --> 00:50:22.519 crafted it for me, but I couldn't find it in 825 00:50:22.599 --> 00:50:24.719 the DM, so that was my failure. 826 00:50:25.639 --> 00:50:27.760 It's all good. I was looking for one thing and 827 00:50:27.800 --> 00:50:29.239 you already sent it to me, thinking I missed it, 828 00:50:29.280 --> 00:50:35.000 and I'm like, it's not it's not all right, hang on, 829 00:50:35.119 --> 00:50:39.639 I gotta log back in again every time. 830 00:50:40.840 --> 00:50:42.679 Well, Aggie, thank you for staying up with us for 831 00:50:42.760 --> 00:50:43.119 this one. 832 00:50:44.320 --> 00:50:44.840 It was fun. 833 00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:47.719 Well we're not done. We've still got a whole other hour. 834 00:50:48.159 --> 00:50:48.719 We're not done. 835 00:50:49.119 --> 00:50:51.239 It has been fun so far. Is that better? 836 00:50:55.880 --> 00:50:56.599 She was just hoping. 837 00:50:58.639 --> 00:50:59.000 I don't. 838 00:51:00.199 --> 00:51:03.159 It's like for me that all time is relative. It 839 00:51:03.320 --> 00:51:03.800 just flows. 840 00:51:04.840 -->

00:51:06.559 Boy, that's munch time, doubly so. 841 00:51:08.239 --> 00:51:08.559 All right. 842 00:51:08.639 --> 00:51:12.559 So this is another fresh creation from our programming director. 843 00:51:12.840 --> 00:51:16.199 The Alien known as Jeff. We'll be right back. 844 00:51:16.519 --> 00:51:24.400 Dune one ship, where's Another's name? 845 00:52:00.519 --> 00:52:11.199 And the mascots, the frame stills the way Si mills 846 00:52:11.320 --> 00:52:14.360 a blow on the tide of deceit. 847 00:52:16.039 --> 00:52:18.000 The kill bends and the. 848 00:52:18.199 --> 00:52:21.320 Secrets a case sty. 849 00:52:23.239 --> 00:52:23.639 Side. 850 00:52:25.480 --> 00:52:26.199 It's got to. 851 00:52:26.400 --> 00:52:28.880 Come bene the. 852 00:52:33.360 --> 00:52:33.719 Side. 853 00:52:34.280 --> 00:52:53.519 Shot. They all shot, so shallows walk can a sack 854 00:52:53.920 --> 00:53:01.360 of skin. The mascular race sails, the mascul race. Han 855 00:53:02.119 --> 00:53:07.199 Chan hands that by the missay. 856 00:53:07.119 --> 00:53:09.440 Say a chasen a. 857 00:53:13.800 --> 00:53:14.400 Sign and. 858 00:53:16.000 --> 00:53:19.400 It's that black dead beneath the. 859 00:53:21.480 --> 00:53:27.639 High the sign shut, the shot. 860 00:53:41.519 --> 00:53:45.159 Seats left empty, tickets never. 861 00:53:45.239 --> 00:53:48.960 Torn, fortunes ashore while the. 862 00:53:49.159 --> 00:53:53.119 Cold was born, stealing disguise. 863 00:53:54.280 --> 00:53:57.280 Morgan's unseene by him to. 864 00:53:57.679 --> 00:54:01.760 The drowned fan on rock, get scared. 865 00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:25.880 Contracts it and salts and rust. 866 00:54:27.719 --> 00:54:33.440 Every buyer built on trust, but the tide takes salt 867 00:54:34.239 --> 00:54:37.639 without a name and drowns. 868 00:54:37.840 --> 00:54:45.400 The question pulled the book signed in. 869 00:54:47.280 --> 00:54:56.079 That bat said beneath the first I the side shock 870 00:54:57.079 --> 00:54:57.880 They out. 871 00:54:57.960 --> 00:55:52.440 Sunda and we're back. We took the break in a 872 00:55:52.480 --> 00:55:54.400 weird spot because we didn't have the music until now. 873 00:55:55.679 --> 00:55:59.679 But we're back, Okay, you know real quick on the 874 00:55:59.719 --> 00:56:01.679 last bit to you know, not being Sunday. I was 875 00:56:01.719 --> 00:56:06.199 surprised he did this. But Jeff did the math. Sinking 876 00:56:06.239 --> 00:56:08.880 the Olympic, you know, he crunched number. Sinking the Olympic 877 00:56:09.079 --> 00:56:11.679 disguise with the Titanic, he yields one hundred in today's 878 00:56:11.719 --> 00:56:14.639 dollars one hundred and sixty million dollar cash injection into 879 00:56:14.679 --> 00:56:18.760 the company, and still keeps the in service Titanic branded 880 00:56:18.840 --> 00:56:22.199 as the Olympic, which earned roughly seven hundred and thirty 881 00:56:22.199 --> 00:56:24.800 six million in adjusted over two decades. So that's almost 882 00:56:24.840 --> 00:56:28.800 a billion dollars versus just four million to keep an 883 00:56:28.840 --> 00:56:30.639 unprofitable Olympic afloat. 884 00:56:31.559 --> 00:56:33.920 I mean, technically it's almost Sunday. 885 00:56:34.039 --> 00:56:38.079 So yeah, So these were four million to sink a 886 00:56:38.119 --> 00:56:41.000 headache ship, nine hundred million worth of insurance and future 887 00:56:41.000 --> 00:56:41.639 earning saved. 888 00:56:42.960 --> 00:56:46.880 Yeah, I mean sometimes math, I mean math is the 889 00:56:46.960 --> 00:56:49.679 driving factor for a lot of things. Think about all this, 890 00:56:49.880 --> 00:56:51.559 I mean, think about all the things they told us 891 00:56:51.599 --> 00:56:54.719 when we were kids, about hey, if you see this 892 00:56:54.840 --> 00:56:57.320 bright flash of light, go hide under your desk. They 893 00:56:57.360 --> 00:56:58.400 knew that wasn't gonna work. 894 00:57:00.039 --> 00:57:02.239 Yeah, just made it easier to identify the bodies. Oh, 895 00:57:02.400 --> 00:57:05.440 row row four, seat seven, that's already packered. 896 00:57:07.880 --> 00:57:10.039 I mean, everybody who wonders why I have this trust 897 00:57:10.119 --> 00:57:14.400 issue with authority. I'm like, you told me my desk 898 00:57:14.639 --> 00:57:16.440 could double as a fallout shelter. 899 00:57:17.559 --> 00:57:18.760 What did you think was going to happen? 900 00:57:18.800 --> 00:57:20.239 When I was old enough to figure out you were 901 00:57:20.280 --> 00:57:20.800 fullish shit? 902 00:57:22.880 --> 00:57:30.280 Fallout shelter, tornado shelter? What else? Earthquake shelter? 903 00:57:31.039 --> 00:57:34.119 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we hide under earthquakes out here too. 904 00:57:34.239 --> 00:57:37.840 So yeah. The reinforcement point. I was thinking about it 905 00:57:37.920 --> 00:57:40.159 during the break rig. You know, it's like, you know, 906 00:57:40.199 --> 00:57:42.239 would people really do something like this? I mean the 907 00:57:42.360 --> 00:57:47.400 Navy and Operation Sea Spray sprayed biological agents over the 908 00:57:47.440 --> 00:57:51.519 city of San Francisco just to see if they had work. Yeah, 909 00:57:53.719 --> 00:57:57.559 so yes, people absolutely, Yeah. There are psychopaths everywhere. 910 00:57:58.400 --> 00:58:00.960 And they would absolutely do this, especially, I mean there 911 00:58:01.000 --> 00:58:04.559 are origin kings. Think about this from from that perspective, 912 00:58:04.639 --> 00:58:07.840 putting it into day's dollars, A four million dollar what 913 00:58:08.079 --> 00:58:10.519 forty what was it for forty million? I don't remember. 914 00:58:10.639 --> 00:58:13.760 Four million dollars, four million dollar loss basically versus one 915 00:58:13.840 --> 00:58:17.159 hundred and sixty million dollar gain for sinking a ship. 916 00:58:19.719 --> 00:58:24.360 I hate to say it, well, you know that's plausible 917 00:58:24.400 --> 00:58:26.320 when you

think about it from that perspective. 918 00:58:26.079 --> 00:58:30.039 The Olympic did keep going. It was a troop ship 919 00:58:30.159 --> 00:58:32.559 for a while during the war, and it was in 920 00:58:33.039 --> 00:58:34.519 service until the thirties. 921 00:58:35.320 --> 00:58:37.599 Yeah, nineteen thirty five. April nineteen thirty five was when 922 00:58:37.639 --> 00:58:40.280 it was retired, and people asked, well, whatever happened to Britannic. 923 00:58:40.400 --> 00:58:43.320 It was sunk in nineteen sixteen when it hit a 924 00:58:43.400 --> 00:58:46.840 land mine or a sea mine. Land mine mine. 925 00:58:48.360 --> 00:58:51.199 Sorry, hot fuzz just popped into it. 926 00:58:57.599 --> 00:58:59.920 So a billion dollars seems like a lot, but that's 927 00:59:00.159 --> 00:59:01.960 just peanuts to what compared to what we're gonna be 928 00:59:01.960 --> 00:59:06.320 talking about now when it happens with JP Morgan. 929 00:59:08.119 --> 00:59:11.360 All right, So, well, I don't usually separate mountains, so 930 00:59:11.360 --> 00:59:12.800 I was gonna play the intro again, but I don't 931 00:59:12.880 --> 00:59:14.719 usually split it into segments, so we don't really need 932 00:59:14.760 --> 00:59:18.000 to do that. Well, we'll just yeah, we'll keep going. 933 00:59:18.920 --> 00:59:19.800 Weird run. 934 00:59:19.880 --> 00:59:21.079 I mean, if you wanted to run it, I mean, 935 00:59:21.119 --> 00:59:22.280 if you want to run it now, we could do that. 936 00:59:22.360 --> 00:59:23.239 We already had the break. 937 00:59:24.920 --> 00:59:28.639 If you have the itch, no, we're good, keep going, Okay. 938 00:59:29.880 --> 00:59:35.480 Yeah, So just a year after the sinking of the Titanic, 939 00:59:37.320 --> 00:59:41.159 we have what is Levingly referred to as the Beast 940 00:59:41.199 --> 00:59:44.880 from Jackal Island comes into play, and that is the 941 00:59:44.920 --> 00:59:49.079 Federal Reserve Act, and in December nineteen thirteen, Congress passed it, 942 00:59:49.679 --> 00:59:53.239 creating the central banking system that has reshaped global finances. 943 00:59:53.280 --> 01:00:00.719 We understand it today in filuent. You know, we're gonna 944 01:00:00.719 --> 01:00:02.239 be talking about the people who were against it, that 945 01:00:02.280 --> 01:00:04.320 were on the ship. But I mean you're talking about 946 01:00:04.800 --> 01:00:08.039 you know, JP Morgan, the Rothschilds, the war Birds, you know, 947 01:00:08.159 --> 01:00:12.760 all these people who have just took their insane wealth 948 01:00:12.880 --> 01:00:18.360 and made it insaner since the creation of the Federal Reserve, 949 01:00:19.039 --> 01:00:21.679 you know, and it was sold that you know why 950 01:00:21.760 --> 01:00:23.800 we need it is, you know, to stabilize banking. There 951 01:00:23.800 --> 01:00:29.119 wouldn't be any more panics until the pressure words just 952 01:00:29.639 --> 01:00:34.719 a few years later. But what this can do? What

953 01:00:35.000 --> 01:00:37.239 what if you don't understand the Federal Reserve. It took 954 01:00:37.400 --> 01:00:41.320 the full faith and credit the United States monetary system 955 01:00:41.400 --> 01:00:45.519 and put it in the hands of a few private bankers. 956 01:00:47.400 --> 01:00:49.199 Yeah, which is part of what drives me crazy about 957 01:00:49.199 --> 01:00:52.880 these I call them things Schrodinger's Bank because it exists, 958 01:00:53.119 --> 01:00:56.760 according to those who talk about it, in two perpetual 959 01:00:56.840 --> 01:00:58.960 states at the same time, it is either an extension 960 01:00:59.000 --> 01:01:01.360 of the federal government, were separated and independent from the 961 01:01:01.400 --> 01:01:04.039 federal government, and in each state at the same time, 962 01:01:04.119 --> 01:01:06.239 depending on depending upon who you ask. 963 01:01:06.760 --> 01:01:08.400 So he's like Amtrak. 964 01:01:08.760 --> 01:01:11.559 These newer rulings that are going to be coming out 965 01:01:11.880 --> 01:01:14.679 from the Supreme Court could be fun. But you know, 966 01:01:15.280 --> 01:01:16.599 one thing that I feel like we kind of need 967 01:01:16.639 --> 01:01:19.039 to go over is the fact that you know, for 968 01:01:19.119 --> 01:01:22.400 those of us that are conspiracy theorist or do conspiracyment shows. 969 01:01:23.000 --> 01:01:26.280 So the juxtaposition of the events of the sinking of 970 01:01:26.320 --> 01:01:29.360 the Titanic and just a year later the beginning of 971 01:01:29.400 --> 01:01:32.199 the Federal Reserve that likely would have been stopped if 972 01:01:32.280 --> 01:01:34.199 not for all the people that sank on the Titanic 973 01:01:34.800 --> 01:01:36.519 is not lost on a lot of folks. And yes, 974 01:01:36.599 --> 01:01:37.840 I had to bring the name of the show in 975 01:01:37.920 --> 01:01:45.320 on purpose. Had to be done. Beautifully done, Yeah, well crafted. 976 01:01:46.079 --> 01:01:47.639 So let's talk about some of these names. First, You've 977 01:01:47.679 --> 01:01:51.599 got John Jacob Astor, and he's the centerpiece of this 978 01:01:52.039 --> 01:01:54.119 theory in that he was one of the richest men 979 01:01:54.159 --> 01:01:58.199 in America and he had all the resources and connections 980 01:01:58.360 --> 01:02:04.440 to resist Morgan's push of the Federal Reserve. He was 981 01:02:04.719 --> 01:02:09.400 very public about his skepticism of central banking, and he 982 01:02:09.519 --> 01:02:14.199 opposed the fence creation outright. He died on the Titanic, 983 01:02:14.800 --> 01:02:22.599 and that removed one of the biggest heels to Morgan's plan. 984 01:02:25.440 --> 01:02:25.679 Yep. 985 01:02:26.840 --> 01:02:29.760 So the thing about it is is in this is 986 01:02:29.920 --> 01:02:32.239 this is part of what happened. So that fortune that 987 01:02:32.480 --> 01:02:35.239 was once independent and under his control was actually absorbed 988 01:02:35.280

--> 01:02:37.360 in the trust that did not challenge the system in 989 01:02:37.440 --> 01:02:42.599 the same way. So Morgan basically removed one of his 990 01:02:42.719 --> 01:02:47.159 biggest obstacles with one Iceberg and the Olympic. 991 01:02:49.320 --> 01:02:49.480 You know. 992 01:02:49.480 --> 01:02:51.400 And the other one was a family that you brought 993 01:02:51.480 --> 01:02:54.199 up in the last set, Aggie, and that's the Guggenheims. 994 01:02:54.719 --> 01:02:59.400 You know, they're mining and smelting, you know, conglomerates. They 995 01:02:59.480 --> 01:03:02.400 held a lot of influence and you know, in finance, 996 01:03:02.639 --> 01:03:04.719 and you know, while they weren't as outspoken of it, 997 01:03:04.800 --> 01:03:07.199 they were also skeptical of the Federal Reserve. 998 01:03:08.280 --> 01:03:12.639 They were very leery of it because of the different 999 01:03:12.719 --> 01:03:15.679 industries that they were in. They weren't just in smelting, 1000 01:03:15.760 --> 01:03:22.519 but alive in a needlework. Their empire started with embroidery 1001 01:03:23.119 --> 01:03:28.679 on garments, so that was you know, the textile industry, 1002 01:03:28.840 --> 01:03:31.159 and then they were in the smelting so they had 1003 01:03:31.320 --> 01:03:34.679 different you know, they had a lot of eggs in 1004 01:03:34.800 --> 01:03:39.239 different baskets. So they saw how the economy worked in 1005 01:03:39.360 --> 01:03:43.159 each of those sectors and thus were very aware of 1006 01:03:45.920 --> 01:03:49.440 They were very resistance to having a federal reserve because 1007 01:03:49.480 --> 01:03:49.639 of that. 1008 01:03:52.280 --> 01:03:54.400 Yeah, you hear about these companies today where you know, 1009 01:03:54.440 --> 01:03:57.239 people talk about Haliburton or black Rock or whatever. It's like, oh, 1010 01:03:57.280 --> 01:03:59.719 they got their you know, Messanto, they got their fingers 1011 01:03:59.719 --> 01:04:01.800 in every thing. Well they learned it from these people. 1012 01:04:02.639 --> 01:04:05.000 You know, the people were talking about tonight. They're the 1013 01:04:05.079 --> 01:04:10.840 ones who invented a diversified portfolio. So I mean they 1014 01:04:10.880 --> 01:04:12.679 were in every segment of the economy. 1015 01:04:15.159 --> 01:04:18.239 Well, well it's not just that. So not only did 1016 01:04:18.280 --> 01:04:22.400 they learn all the diversification tactics from these folks, but 1017 01:04:22.519 --> 01:04:26.639 they also learned all the centralization tactics from these folks. 1018 01:04:26.679 --> 01:04:29.679 Because if you'll notice, that's the new buzzword for communists 1019 01:04:30.199 --> 01:04:35.079 is the word central planning. Yes, so it's funny that 1020 01:04:35.440 --> 01:04:38.599 they were talking about this thing central banking over one 1021 01:04:38.719 --> 01:04:42.400 hundred years ago and not really realize, Well, I guess 1022 01:04:42.719 --> 01:04:45.079 the people that were fighting it. I think realized what 1023 01:04:45.159 --> 01:04:47.079 it was that they were trying to do, which was 1024 01:04:47.199 --> 01:04:50.239 give a lot of wealth and power to we select 1025 01:04:50.280 --> 01:04:52.800 few people. I mean, you know, not to go very political, 1026 01:04:52.880 --> 01:04:54.440 but we're in a fight right now with the Fed. 1027 01:04:55.320 --> 01:04:56.920 Trump is trying to get rid of members of the 1028 01:04:57.000 --> 01:05:00.440 Fed and they're resisting, which is why we're to find 1029 01:05:00.480 --> 01:05:02.400 out is it a bankraft in a flag or is 1030 01:05:02.440 --> 01:05:06.519 it actually an extension of the executive branch. I will 1031 01:05:06.559 --> 01:05:08.440 be very curious to see what happened with that ruling. 1032 01:05:09.079 --> 01:05:09.960 That's both. 1033 01:05:11.679 --> 01:05:19.199 Excuse me, I said, it is both. It's Schroinger's Bank. Yeah. 1034 01:05:19.239 --> 01:05:21.960 Another one you had on there was is it or 1035 01:05:22.079 --> 01:05:25.000 Strauss from Macy's yeo? 1036 01:05:25.320 --> 01:05:32.280 And he oh wait sorry, So you know he was. 1037 01:05:32.480 --> 01:05:35.039 He was a very outspoken opponent of the Federal Reserve 1038 01:05:35.119 --> 01:05:40.039 as well, and he was another one along with Astro, 1039 01:05:40.159 --> 01:05:45.119 that could have wielded an ext enormous amount of influence 1040 01:05:45.760 --> 01:05:48.039 on Congress to go to push it the other way. 1041 01:05:49.639 --> 01:05:52.840 And again, these are all people that were on the boat. 1042 01:05:54.760 --> 01:05:56.719 And you know, just just to bring this point back 1043 01:05:56.760 --> 01:05:58.800 home in case we've got new people that that are 1044 01:05:58.880 --> 01:06:01.599 just joining us. Morgan was supposed to be on the boat. 1045 01:06:01.760 --> 01:06:04.880 Morgan wasn't on the boat, and Morgan was photographed shortly 1046 01:06:05.000 --> 01:06:09.199 thereafter after claiming to be ill in France rather looking 1047 01:06:09.320 --> 01:06:09.920 quite healthy. 1048 01:06:10.440 --> 01:06:14.159 Oh and Morgan's associates also decided not to go on 1049 01:06:14.239 --> 01:06:14.599 the boat. 1050 01:06:15.519 --> 01:06:20.920 Yeah, you know it. You know, it's like we said 1051 01:06:21.000 --> 01:06:21.960 last you know. 1052 01:06:22.559 --> 01:06:25.559 And Morgan's art did not go on the boat either. 1053 01:06:25.719 --> 01:06:29.840 And because you know how I am about art, the. 1054 01:06:29.960 --> 01:06:33.000 Art there either. To me, that's actually the fishiest part, 1055 01:06:33.079 --> 01:06:36.000 right because I can kind of see, you know, I 1056 01:06:36.039 --> 01:06:38.480 don't feel well, I'm not going, and all of his 1057 01:06:38.599 --> 01:06:40.719 buddy's going. Well, if he's not going, I'm not going 1058 01:06:40.760 --> 01:06:42.599 because I'm not going to be able to row elbows 1059 01:06:42.639

--> 01:06:43.880 with him and it's not going to be a good 1060 01:06:43.920 --> 01:06:47.639 network networking opportunity. Blah blah blah. Pulling the art off 1061 01:06:47.760 --> 01:06:50.639 the boat is that bad? 1062 01:06:52.159 --> 01:06:54.639 Yeah, that to me is weird because you're you were 1063 01:06:55.280 --> 01:07:00.119 he was taking the art back to the States for 1064 01:07:00.519 --> 01:07:03.480 you know, to be displayed in his in one of 1065 01:07:03.599 --> 01:07:05.320 his homes, or at least one or two of his 1066 01:07:05.440 --> 01:07:07.760 homes wherever, you know, wherever he wanted to display it. 1067 01:07:07.840 --> 01:07:10.199 But that was the purpose. He was bringing this art back. 1068 01:07:10.840 --> 01:07:13.320 So if he were ill, no, the art could still 1069 01:07:13.360 --> 01:07:18.079 travel no problem. He would actually send a cable to 1070 01:07:18.280 --> 01:07:21.039 have an emissary pick it up. That would have been it. 1071 01:07:22.599 --> 01:07:24.320 And this was when it was still a high trust 1072 01:07:24.360 --> 01:07:26.480 society too, where you're not thinking, you know, I can't 1073 01:07:26.559 --> 01:07:28.360 lay it on the boat, somebody's going to steal. Well, 1074 01:07:28.440 --> 01:07:30.440 I mean not just like you were, not just talking 1075 01:07:30.519 --> 01:07:34.000 like pieces of art, I said, huge broaze statues. 1076 01:07:34.840 --> 01:07:37.840 Yes, yeah, and it wasn't. It wasn't a Mona Lisa 1077 01:07:37.960 --> 01:07:42.119 nine by twelve. No, not that these were big, massive 1078 01:07:42.159 --> 01:07:46.840 things that he had. So I'm like, why would you 1079 01:07:46.920 --> 01:07:49.000 take those off the boat and then have to put 1080 01:07:49.039 --> 01:07:52.119 them back on another boat when you know the boat 1081 01:07:52.119 --> 01:07:55.880 would have just taken them. But no, and it's not 1082 01:07:56.039 --> 01:08:00.880 like he couldn't afford to have them shipped by the Titanic. 1083 01:08:01.519 --> 01:08:03.679 It would have saved them the headache of having to 1084 01:08:03.800 --> 01:08:07.480 remove that put them in storage somewhere so that he 1085 01:08:07.519 --> 01:08:08.840 could sail with them later on. 1086 01:08:10.719 --> 01:08:13.280 Plus I mean not just that, just I mean thinking 1087 01:08:13.320 --> 01:08:18.199 about it. Whenever you move art, you risk damaging it, 1088 01:08:19.039 --> 01:08:22.520 no matter how kid gloves you are with, especially bronze statues, 1089 01:08:22.520 --> 01:08:26.720 because that shit's not light, you know, I mean, even 1090 01:08:26.760 --> 01:08:28.119 if you create it up and put a whole bunch 1091 01:08:28.119 --> 01:08:31.920 of hay in there, and shit, shit gets jostled where 1092 01:08:32.119 --> 01:08:34.600 it's in a nice state room, sailing its happy way 1093 01:08:34.680 --> 01:08:38.640 back to the United States in all the luxury that 1094 01:08:38.760 --> 01:08:42.159 Morgan couldn't we didn't feel well enough to enjoy himself. 1095 01:08:43.159 --> 01:08:47.920 You know. That's that is to me that, like with you, 1096 01:08:48.079 --> 01:08:53.000 that is a bigger indictment of this whole thing. It's 1097 01:08:53.159 --> 01:08:55.319 as big as the monocular is not being in a 1098 01:08:55.359 --> 01:08:57.720 crow's nest. You know, that's always played offs like oh, 1099 01:08:58.039 --> 01:09:01.840 somebody forgot. That's not you know, that's like you know, 1100 01:09:01.920 --> 01:09:04.359 they forgot to put the steering wheel in. It's not 1101 01:09:04.560 --> 01:09:08.159 just like an accouterment. It is something that is an 1102 01:09:08.239 --> 01:09:13.199 absolute necessity for the ship to operate. And you know, 1103 01:09:13.279 --> 01:09:15.800 the next question comes, there were no other binoculars on 1104 01:09:15.840 --> 01:09:16.439 the ship anywhere. 1105 01:09:18.880 --> 01:09:21.000 Well, it wasn't just that, So you know, since you 1106 01:09:21.079 --> 01:09:22.960 brought that point up, there were other things that were 1107 01:09:23.359 --> 01:09:25.840 kind of being brought up in that same vein, Like 1108 01:09:25.960 --> 01:09:28.560 there was almost no drills being run by the crew, 1109 01:09:28.720 --> 01:09:29.359 like none. 1110 01:09:29.399 --> 01:09:31.119 Yeah, no, there were no. 1111 01:09:32.359 --> 01:09:32.560 Yeah. 1112 01:09:32.960 --> 01:09:37.520 The eyewitness is a survivor's accounts when asked about that, Yeah, 1113 01:09:37.640 --> 01:09:40.159 there were no drills. Nobody's it drills. There were no 1114 01:09:40.560 --> 01:09:43.319 is what is a drill. But to get back to 1115 01:09:43.479 --> 01:09:46.920 the binocular thing, as y'all know, most of the time, 1116 01:09:46.960 --> 01:09:49.359 if we're using them for outdoor use, we leave them 1117 01:09:49.399 --> 01:09:53.000 outside so they're acclimatized. You were moving into a very 1118 01:09:53.199 --> 01:09:56.960 cold area. So to bring the binoculars inside and then 1119 01:09:57.000 --> 01:10:01.680 bring them outside, it's just, yeah, it goes contrary to 1120 01:10:01.800 --> 01:10:04.600 the you couldn't use them, so you might. 1121 01:10:06.039 --> 01:10:08.079 If they're going to fog up, they're going to be 1122 01:10:08.560 --> 01:10:11.159 there inaccurate. Yeah. 1123 01:10:11.720 --> 01:10:16.640 Yeah, So so that's what I never understood. I you 1124 01:10:16.720 --> 01:10:20.960 know that it h I've never heard of a process 1125 01:10:21.239 --> 01:10:24.439 not having at least one pair of binoculars. 1126 01:10:25.920 --> 01:10:29.399 Yeah, at least one pair. I mean again, this is 1127 01:10:29.439 --> 01:10:31.479 White Star lines. They're not so cheap that they're not 1128 01:10:31.520 --> 01:10:34.279 going to have a backup pair, you know. Up in 1129 01:10:34.319 --> 01:10:36.960 the crowds. I was like, well, fuck, oh, yeah, there 1130 01:10:37.039 --> 01:10:40.119 they are. You know, it's like, you know, you're talking

1131 01:10:40.199 --> 01:10:43.039 what you were talking about with the drills, Rick, you know, 1132 01:10:43.119 --> 01:10:44.880 it's like, I don't know if you've ever been on 1133 01:10:44.920 --> 01:10:47.319 a cruise ship, but that's the first thing you do 1134 01:10:47.399 --> 01:10:49.680 when you're underway. I think the last cruise I was 1135 01:10:49.720 --> 01:10:51.680 on before we even got out of sand Paiedro, when 1136 01:10:51.720 --> 01:10:54.960 we were still coming out of La Harbor, we all 1137 01:10:55.039 --> 01:10:55.960 had to go to the decks. 1138 01:10:56.000 --> 01:10:56.840 We all had to have our. 1139 01:10:56.760 --> 01:10:58.560 Life vests on, we all had to be drilled on 1140 01:10:59.039 --> 01:11:01.880 life boats. And then go have yourself fun on the 1141 01:11:01.960 --> 01:11:03.840 lido deck, go play some piegal as soon as we 1142 01:11:04.039 --> 01:11:06.039 get out of you know, out in the international water. 1143 01:11:06.600 --> 01:11:09.359 You know that. I mean, that's it's what you do. 1144 01:11:09.840 --> 01:11:11.960 It's the first thing you do. And whether that's because 1145 01:11:12.000 --> 01:11:15.439 of the Titanic or the title or was already in 1146 01:11:15.479 --> 01:11:17.399 place in the Titanic just said, you know, we don't 1147 01:11:17.439 --> 01:11:19.640 want to bother these people in Tuxi, those with life 1148 01:11:19.680 --> 01:11:22.560 vests and shit. So I'm not buying that either, because 1149 01:11:22.560 --> 01:11:25.119 that's something that it's what you do, you know. 1150 01:11:25.760 --> 01:11:28.159 I don't care how unsinkable they thought the thing was. 1151 01:11:28.520 --> 01:11:30.800 I mean, think about think about this from another perspective. 1152 01:11:31.439 --> 01:11:33.760 I could almost see this if it was like nineteen sixties, 1153 01:11:33.840 --> 01:11:37.439 nineteen seventies America. But we're talking about nineteen hundreds year, 1154 01:11:38.319 --> 01:11:42.119 like nineteen hundreds Europe. These people were sticklers for every 1155 01:11:42.239 --> 01:11:45.960 fucking thing, like all of it. 1156 01:11:47.279 --> 01:11:49.600 Yeah, and I mean especially the British who have traditions 1157 01:11:49.600 --> 01:11:50.479 about traditions. 1158 01:11:51.039 --> 01:11:51.800 You know, so. 1159 01:11:53.960 --> 01:11:56.600 We're British, are traditions have traditions about tradition. 1160 01:11:59.239 --> 01:12:01.079 But I mean, I mean, you know, and it's the 1161 01:12:01.119 --> 01:12:02.760 people who weren't on the boat that you think this 1162 01:12:02.800 --> 01:12:04.560 should have been on the boat were like anyone from 1163 01:12:04.600 --> 01:12:06.920 the Rothchild family. None of them were on the boat, 1164 01:12:08.479 --> 01:12:10.640 you know, And if you don't know who they are, 1165 01:12:11.960 --> 01:12:13.880 I can't help you. I've actually gotten into a fight 1166 01:12:13.960 --> 01:12:16.119 on Twitter with a roth Child with. 1167 01:12:16.239 --> 01:12:17.520 It an actual roth show. 1168 01:12:18.439 --> 01:12:26.800 Yeah wow, yeah, yeah, yeah, a random roth Child appeared. 1169 01:12:27.399 --> 01:12:29.920 I'll send you. Somebody sent me the screenshot of it. 1170 01:12:30.239 --> 01:12:33.600 It's like Ordy encounters are random. A roth Child in 1171 01:12:33.640 --> 01:12:38.319 the wild, So I'll send that up. But yeah, So, 1172 01:12:38.600 --> 01:12:41.119 I mean, and you know, Paul Larburg, he wasn't on it. 1173 01:12:41.439 --> 01:12:43.199 You know, he was the one who actually was the 1174 01:12:43.319 --> 01:12:45.880 architect of the Federal Reserve Act. You know, all these 1175 01:12:45.920 --> 01:12:48.960 people are tied to Morgan and you know the network 1176 01:12:49.000 --> 01:12:55.319 of financiers. There's it's got to seem like more of 1177 01:12:55.359 --> 01:12:57.039 a motive. And you know, not just who was on 1178 01:12:57.159 --> 01:13:00.960 the boat, but who was not. Again, I want to 1179 01:13:01.279 --> 01:13:04.319 you know, drive this point home. This was the social 1180 01:13:04.399 --> 01:13:09.000 event of the year. There was nothing bigger to go 1181 01:13:09.079 --> 01:13:12.600 to England to take the Titanic back. It was that big. 1182 01:13:12.680 --> 01:13:12.800 You know. 1183 01:13:12.920 --> 01:13:15.159 It wasn't like, hey, i'll go if you buy the 1184 01:13:15.199 --> 01:13:16.920 ticket kind of thing, you know. 1185 01:13:18.039 --> 01:13:21.880 Nope, it was it was supposed to be, you know, 1186 01:13:24.000 --> 01:13:29.079 the thing I mean of the of the decade, at 1187 01:13:29.079 --> 01:13:31.920 the very least at this at this point there were 1188 01:13:32.399 --> 01:13:35.359 you know, several countries were having issues with each other, 1189 01:13:35.520 --> 01:13:38.039 but nobody thought that Great War was coming or anything 1190 01:13:38.159 --> 01:13:41.159 like that. But this event, this was supposed to usher 1191 01:13:41.319 --> 01:13:49.000 in the decade, the most opulent decade, I guess. And 1192 01:13:49.239 --> 01:13:54.319 so yeah, you're right. There were people that actually travel 1193 01:13:54.399 --> 01:13:57.880 to England to take the book back to America because 1194 01:13:57.920 --> 01:14:01.640 they wanted the experience of the time. Dam It was 1195 01:14:01.800 --> 01:14:03.600 supposed to be the be all and end all of 1196 01:14:03.720 --> 01:14:06.399 all luxury liners, you know. 1197 01:14:06.439 --> 01:14:10.159 And this is when spectacles were spectacles, you know, when 1198 01:14:10.880 --> 01:14:13.199 you know, these things were hyped up and all the 1199 01:14:13.279 --> 01:14:17.800 world was watching, you know, it's everybody was digesting it, 1200 01:14:17.920 --> 01:14:21.479 especially the Angle files. So I mean, this was huge. 1201 01:14:22.039 --> 01:14:23.800 And for the people who were not on the boat, 1202 01:14:24.600 --> 01:14:27.279 that screams at me. That really does. 1203

01:14:28.880 --> 01:14:30.840 And I know, I keep saying this. But to me 1204 01:14:30.920 --> 01:14:33.520 at this point, it doesn't even the people not being 1205 01:14:33.600 --> 01:14:36.920 on the boat again that that's that's hair on the 1206 01:14:36.960 --> 01:14:39.880 back of the neck Tingley, the art being pulled from 1207 01:14:39.880 --> 01:14:40.880 the boat is what the fuck? 1208 01:14:42.239 --> 01:14:42.520 I just. 1209 01:14:44.319 --> 01:14:46.960 I can't get past that. Why would you took all 1210 01:14:47.000 --> 01:14:48.560 the time to get it loaded on the ship and 1211 01:14:48.640 --> 01:14:50.520 now because you got a tummy bug, you're gonna pull 1212 01:14:50.560 --> 01:14:50.840 it off? 1213 01:14:51.720 --> 01:14:51.920 Eh? 1214 01:14:52.680 --> 01:14:52.720 No? 1215 01:14:55.119 --> 01:14:58.039 No, So it was either never there to begin with 1216 01:14:58.319 --> 01:15:01.039 and people thought it was, or he pulled it off 1217 01:15:01.920 --> 01:15:06.600 because there's no way, I mean, because it's not like 1218 01:15:06.720 --> 01:15:11.239 he wasn't still coming back to America. I just I 1219 01:15:11.319 --> 01:15:14.079 can't get past that part. Yea, and you know and 1220 01:15:14.159 --> 01:15:16.319 ever and you know, everybody talks about you know, well, 1221 01:15:16.840 --> 01:15:20.199 this was the death of fifteen hundred people or one 1222 01:15:20.279 --> 01:15:22.760 hundred and sixty million dollars. What do you think fifteen 1223 01:15:22.840 --> 01:15:26.720 hundred people are worth to these people? Yeah? 1224 01:15:26.760 --> 01:15:28.960 I mean, just in cold math, that's ten thousand ahead, 1225 01:15:29.039 --> 01:15:38.800 that's you know, worth it, you know, and getting back 1226 01:15:38.840 --> 01:15:41.520 to it too, you know the closed off sections, you 1227 01:15:41.560 --> 01:15:44.760 know that you know nobody had access to the uh 1228 01:15:45.439 --> 01:15:48.680 you know, crew instructions not to interfere. The strange delays 1229 01:15:48.720 --> 01:15:51.640 of the lifeboat launches. You know, I mean, all of 1230 01:15:51.680 --> 01:15:55.600 these things scream sabotage more than incompetence. I mean, so 1231 01:15:55.800 --> 01:15:59.119 once again, you know, this is what kind of drives 1232 01:15:59.159 --> 01:16:00.760 me nuts of everything I've heard about the movie and 1233 01:16:01.239 --> 01:16:05.760 everything I've seen on the Titanic, is that this is 1234 01:16:05.880 --> 01:16:08.479 the crown jewel of the White star Line, which is 1235 01:16:08.560 --> 01:16:13.039 the crown jewel of imm which is JP Morgan's current 1236 01:16:14.920 --> 01:16:19.479 love child, love child, thank you. So he's not just 1237 01:16:19.560 --> 01:16:22.760 going to hire a bunch of scrubs, He's going to 1238 01:16:22.840 --> 01:16:25.760 hire complete professionals, except for the captain who's also the 1239 01:16:25.840 --> 01:16:26.880 Captain of the Olympic. 1240 01:16:27.560 --> 01:16:29.239 Yeah. That was that was That was an etail I 1241 01:16:29.319 --> 01:16:31.000 was going to bring back around to the second because yeah, 1242 01:16:31.039 --> 01:16:33.239 the same guy that you know was supposedly holming the 1243 01:16:33.319 --> 01:16:36.039 Titanic on his main voyage. Yeah, Captain of the Olympic. 1244 01:16:37.000 --> 01:16:37.199 Yeah. 1245 01:16:37.960 --> 01:16:39.760 By the way, thanks for putting scrubs in my head 1246 01:16:39.800 --> 01:16:45.359 there for which one the song scrubs. I don't like 1247 01:16:45.439 --> 01:16:45.920 you right now. 1248 01:16:46.640 --> 01:16:57.680 Okay, you're welcome, But I mean it just all screams 1249 01:16:57.760 --> 01:17:00.800 to this being planned and the ice just being a 1250 01:17:00.840 --> 01:17:01.600 happy accident. 1251 01:17:04.000 --> 01:17:06.279 I mean, I still, I firmly believe they had they 1252 01:17:06.359 --> 01:17:08.439 had planned on some point in scuttling the thing, because 1253 01:17:08.479 --> 01:17:10.479 I'm pretty sure there was there was, there was stuff 1254 01:17:10.479 --> 01:17:12.560 in those Zolow sections to help make sure that happened. 1255 01:17:13.800 --> 01:17:16.359 And the fact that you had all of jpmore you know, 1256 01:17:16.479 --> 01:17:19.119 not all of them, but you had a number of 1257 01:17:19.199 --> 01:17:22.199 JP Morgans, not just financial rivals, but rivals for the 1258 01:17:22.279 --> 01:17:25.159 Federal Reserve Act who happened to be on the boat. 1259 01:17:25.720 --> 01:17:28.239 I mean, it just keeps coming back to you know, 1260 01:17:28.439 --> 01:17:31.560 it wasn't just insurance fraud, you know. I mean, yeah, 1261 01:17:31.720 --> 01:17:34.760 insurance fraud sounds great on you know, and then it's like, 1262 01:17:34.920 --> 01:17:36.960 holy shit, look at all these people that I can handle, 1263 01:17:37.479 --> 01:17:40.039 you know, get all these you know, thorns out of 1264 01:17:40.079 --> 01:17:41.199 my side at once. 1265 01:17:41.119 --> 01:17:46.199 At once, and I mean, I mean again, this to me, 1266 01:17:46.840 --> 01:17:49.000 looking at this from a financial side, this becomes an 1267 01:17:49.000 --> 01:17:51.960 Ockham's Razor scenario because if these people hadn't died on 1268 01:17:52.000 --> 01:17:53.960 the Titanic, we might not we probably wouldn't have a 1269 01:17:54.039 --> 01:17:58.640 Federal Reserve today, right, And. 1270 01:18:00.880 --> 01:18:03.119 It'd be interesting to see how many people who are 1271 01:18:03.159 --> 01:18:05.079 in with the Federal Reserve Act were also in with 1272 01:18:05.239 --> 01:18:08.680 the uh, you know, the creation of the income tax. 1273 01:18:10.319 --> 01:18:13.800 So Morgan was big on that idea too, I believe 1274 01:18:13.840 --> 01:18:15.760 it was. Yeah, I think I believe you're right, he was. 1275 01:18:17.439 --> 01:18:22.600 Yeah, So I mean, why not remove your opposition in 1276 01:18:22.680 --> 01:18:26.840 a violent fashion

and discreet you know, I mean, it's 1277 01:18:26.840 --> 01:18:29.239 a lot easier to you know, sink a ship than 1278 01:18:29.279 --> 01:18:32.720 it is to plan a series of accidents. 1279 01:18:36.079 --> 01:18:38.640 One giant accident is a lot easier to plan than 1280 01:18:38.680 --> 01:18:42.039 a bunch of small ones and a lot less moving parts. 1281 01:18:48.439 --> 01:18:49.159 He did, we lose you? 1282 01:18:49.760 --> 01:18:55.039 No, No, I'm here. I'm just like you know, how 1283 01:18:55.119 --> 01:18:59.359 your your mind goes down a rabbit hole when somebody 1284 01:18:59.399 --> 01:19:03.279 brings something up, and that's I come back to the art. 1285 01:19:04.199 --> 01:19:08.680 I'm I'm kind of like that. Emty knows how I 1286 01:19:08.720 --> 01:19:11.159 feel about the British Hell, everybody knows how I feel 1287 01:19:11.159 --> 01:19:16.119 about the British Museum. So, and of course, what happened 1288 01:19:16.159 --> 01:19:19.039 in Argentina this week, Oh my god, that is a 1289 01:19:19.199 --> 01:19:22.840 telenovella of epic proportions. But I won't get into that. 1290 01:19:22.880 --> 01:19:24.600 Here, Okay, no sidebars. I got to know. 1291 01:19:25.119 --> 01:19:30.279 Yeah, oh no, no, There was a a realtor had 1292 01:19:30.359 --> 01:19:33.560 put up a listing. On that listing was a photograph 1293 01:19:34.119 --> 01:19:37.920 and there was a painting hanging on the wall remember 1294 01:19:38.600 --> 01:19:41.199 they caught the girl. They caught the lady and her 1295 01:19:41.319 --> 01:19:46.319 husband or significant other whatever. And she is claiming that 1296 01:19:47.359 --> 01:19:50.800 that painting was left to her in an inheritance by 1297 01:19:50.920 --> 01:19:55.800 her father, which is completely true. But and but she's 1298 01:19:55.840 --> 01:19:58.600 saying that that she had, you know, the family had 1299 01:19:58.640 --> 01:20:01.199 providence and all this stuff, blah blah blah, which is 1300 01:20:01.720 --> 01:20:05.800 not true because that painting had providence already established over 1301 01:20:07.319 --> 01:20:08.199 in the Netherlands. 1302 01:20:08.279 --> 01:20:10.439 So there was. 1303 01:20:12.039 --> 01:20:14.920 So they started asking her about all the other art 1304 01:20:15.399 --> 01:20:18.199 that was there, because that wasn't the only thing that 1305 01:20:18.439 --> 01:20:22.560 was suspicious. There were quite a few pieces of art, 1306 01:20:22.840 --> 01:20:27.039 several prints, several sketches that were found as well. 1307 01:20:27.159 --> 01:20:27.399 And so. 1308 01:20:29.000 --> 01:20:31.680 Yeah, she's no longer talking. So she's in jail right 1309 01:20:31.720 --> 01:20:35.439 now awaiting trial, and her sister is nowhere to be found. 1310 01:20:36.680 --> 01:20:39.840 Now what wasn't there also ties to I mean, was 1311 01:20:39.880 --> 01:20:41.600 it an art heist, because I seem to think that 1312 01:20:41.680 --> 01:20:47.399 there was no It was German theft of art. 1313 01:20:48.079 --> 01:20:49.000 Yes, it was. 1314 01:20:49.479 --> 01:20:55.319 The art belonged to an art collector and curator from 1315 01:20:55.399 --> 01:21:01.439 the Netherlands who fled the Netherlands when the Germans invaded. 1316 01:21:02.039 --> 01:21:08.039 He left everything behind. His collection was acquired by Hitler 1317 01:21:08.159 --> 01:21:12.680 and Gerring and their financial advisor, and the financial advisor 1318 01:21:12.800 --> 01:21:16.479 fled to Argentina with several works at the end of 1319 01:21:16.680 --> 01:21:21.960 the war, and that's where the you know, that's where 1320 01:21:22.560 --> 01:21:25.359 this this whole blu has happened. I mean, there's there's 1321 01:21:25.359 --> 01:21:28.479 a lot of stuff going over there in Argentina. Uruguay too, 1322 01:21:29.279 --> 01:21:33.079 don't blink, because Uruguay also has a lot of that history. 1323 01:21:34.319 --> 01:21:38.199 But yeah, so I'll I'll be reporting on that one 1324 01:21:38.239 --> 01:21:38.760 on Tuesday. 1325 01:21:41.640 --> 01:21:44.000 I just can't. I just can't say without saying you 1326 01:21:44.119 --> 01:21:44.520 are gay. 1327 01:21:49.880 --> 01:21:52.960 That's all right, you know, since we've already crossed that 1328 01:21:53.000 --> 01:21:56.000 particular rubicon. I saw on an article today or the 1329 01:21:56.119 --> 01:21:59.079 other day that made me laugh like a ten year 1330 01:21:59.079 --> 01:22:01.920 old again because the biggest part of the headline was 1331 01:22:02.199 --> 01:22:03.079 uranus is leaking. 1332 01:22:08.840 --> 01:22:16.760 We call it your rectum now. But just so many 1333 01:22:16.840 --> 01:22:18.760 of this, you know, before we go into the last break, 1334 01:22:19.479 --> 01:22:22.159 so much of this, and I'm starting to with you 1335 01:22:22.279 --> 01:22:25.039 it's not just the binoculars. It's not just the portholes anymore, 1336 01:22:25.520 --> 01:22:27.239 you know, it's not just who was on the boat. 1337 01:22:27.479 --> 01:22:33.880 It's the art. Yes, and is really starting to resonate 1338 01:22:33.920 --> 01:22:35.880 with me because for. 1339 01:22:36.039 --> 01:22:40.520 All of its faults when they were doing the film 1340 01:22:40.760 --> 01:22:43.319 Titanic and everything. One of the things that they did 1341 01:22:44.079 --> 01:22:50.119 actually portray as having happened was a lot of artwork 1342 01:22:50.600 --> 01:22:54.680 was lost because there were a lot of rich people 1343 01:22:54.760 --> 01:22:56.680 that were bringing art that they had just bought from, 1344 01:22:57.319 --> 01:23:01.079 people like you know that had names like and Chagall 1345 01:23:01.319 --> 01:23:05.000 and all of these, you know, well known names. I'm 1346 01:23:05.039 --> 01:23:08.359 sure that I'm messing everything up, but there were renoirs, 1347 01:23:08.600 --> 01:23:12.640 there were you know, a bonnets aboard this ship that 1348 01:23:13.000 --> 01:23:16.479 went down

with it. So and that's considered truly lost art. 1349 01:23:16.560 --> 01:23:19.279 I mean, there's no way to recover the cz you know, 1350 01:23:20.039 --> 01:23:25.359 it's a bit dissolved. But that is something that has 1351 01:23:25.520 --> 01:23:30.359 always bugged me, the fact that he removed these massive 1352 01:23:30.479 --> 01:23:33.199 works before the ship sailed. 1353 01:23:37.119 --> 01:23:38.640 Yeah. One I'd like to have to send the chat to. 1354 01:23:38.760 --> 01:23:44.520 What a great way to inflate art prices? Oh yeah, 1355 01:23:44.760 --> 01:23:46.319 you know, when you have a whole lot of masters 1356 01:23:46.399 --> 01:23:52.720 get you know, artwork completely you lost, then what remains 1357 01:23:52.840 --> 01:23:53.239 goes up. 1358 01:23:55.039 --> 01:23:57.640 Yes, it's one thing to have a collection by a 1359 01:23:57.720 --> 01:24:00.560 live artist. It's quite another to have a license from 1360 01:24:00.560 --> 01:24:01.079 a dead one. 1361 01:24:02.920 --> 01:24:07.119 Yes. And I mean the one thing that this kind 1362 01:24:07.159 --> 01:24:11.520 of goes back to, if this was about insurance, why 1363 01:24:11.560 --> 01:24:14.439 didn't Morgan say that the art was lost at sea 1364 01:24:14.479 --> 01:24:16.399 as well, because you know that was insured. 1365 01:24:17.800 --> 01:24:19.399 True, So that's something else. 1366 01:24:19.520 --> 01:24:22.199 You can't show it off, and that's okay, but you 1367 01:24:22.319 --> 01:24:26.920 get that that's where you're taking you know, money over ego. 1368 01:24:27.439 --> 01:24:32.279 When ye killing off fifteen hundred people for money, that's 1369 01:24:32.359 --> 01:24:35.079 no problem. Losing art that you can't just claiming you 1370 01:24:35.199 --> 01:24:38.479 lost art you can't display for that's something else. 1371 01:24:41.479 --> 01:24:44.800 But yeah, just are just unique, some unique pieces that 1372 01:24:44.960 --> 01:24:48.520 nobody else has anything quite like that. You know that 1373 01:24:48.800 --> 01:24:51.560 is one of a kind pieces. Yeah, I can see it. 1374 01:24:53.520 --> 01:24:55.079 So just to kind of put a bow on this 1375 01:24:55.199 --> 01:24:57.800 particular segment, because I mean, you know, there have been 1376 01:24:57.920 --> 01:25:00.600 historians that have been yelling forever that you know, these 1377 01:25:00.640 --> 01:25:03.600 three men, no matter how powerful and how wealthy, couldn't 1378 01:25:03.600 --> 01:25:07.560 have halted all of this single handedly. But again I'm 1379 01:25:07.600 --> 01:25:10.960 not so sure. So but again to the rest of us, 1380 01:25:11.239 --> 01:25:14.760 you know, conspiracy folks, you start adding up all the coincidences, 1381 01:25:15.239 --> 01:25:17.760 the lack of binoculars, too few life boats, lack of 1382 01:25:18.800 --> 01:25:20.880 drills to show people what to do with the lifeboats, 1383 01:25:21.279 --> 01:25:24.439 delays in launching the lifeboats, people that were supposed to 1384 01:25:24.479 --> 01:25:27.039 be on the boat that aren't there art that was 1385 01:25:27.039 --> 01:25:28.640 supposed to be on the boat that aren't there. You 1386 01:25:28.720 --> 01:25:31.520 start adding up all these coincidences, and that's just, in 1387 01:25:31.600 --> 01:25:34.479 my opinion, too many damn coincidences. So this brings up 1388 01:25:34.920 --> 01:25:36.880 and adds to the even broader narrative that we've been 1389 01:25:36.920 --> 01:25:41.359 talking about, which is the Titanic wasn't merely lost at sea. 1390 01:25:42.119 --> 01:25:45.399 It may have been a sacrificial vessel, with it taking 1391 01:25:45.479 --> 01:25:48.279 with it the last bashion of independent wealth that might 1392 01:25:48.319 --> 01:25:51.800 have stood against central banking. In this framing, the Iceberg 1393 01:25:51.920 --> 01:25:55.560 is less an accident of navigation and more a convenient 1394 01:25:55.640 --> 01:26:00.920 alibi for what amounts to financial murder. So, if true, 1395 01:26:01.279 --> 01:26:03.720 this disaster marks one of the most ruthless acts of 1396 01:26:03.840 --> 01:26:08.199 financial financial consolidation in our history. It would also mean 1397 01:26:08.239 --> 01:26:11.359 that the Federal Reserve, the institution that has controlled America's 1398 01:26:11.439 --> 01:26:14.319 money supply for more than a century, was born not 1399 01:26:14.439 --> 01:26:17.960 merely out of legislative debate, but of blood in the water. 1400 01:26:20.680 --> 01:26:23.199 So yeah, Jac brings up. I think you're right. I 1401 01:26:23.239 --> 01:26:25.199 think it was Morgan that said I don't want lawyers 1402 01:26:25.239 --> 01:26:26.720 to tell me what I can and can't do. I 1403 01:26:26.760 --> 01:26:27.960 want lawyers to tell me how. 1404 01:26:30.399 --> 01:26:33.319 And the scariest thing about that is, if you pay 1405 01:26:33.359 --> 01:26:36.079 attention to what lawyers do today, they all pretty much 1406 01:26:36.159 --> 01:26:39.119 do just that. Yep. 1407 01:26:39.560 --> 01:26:41.800 Now to the point you raised too. You know, it's 1408 01:26:41.840 --> 01:26:44.239 like you know, with you know, those who don't believe 1409 01:26:44.279 --> 01:26:47.279 in the theory. You know that individually, those you know, 1410 01:26:47.359 --> 01:26:51.039 those people couldn't have done much to block the creation 1411 01:26:51.159 --> 01:26:53.560 of the Federal Reserve. You have to ask yourself, where 1412 01:26:53.720 --> 01:26:58.880 was William Randolfhurst following and all that? Yeah, where you know, 1413 01:26:59.079 --> 01:27:01.600 because of it? You know, because if that, you know, 1414 01:27:02.159 --> 01:27:06.600 yellow journalism was at his finest, then too. So you know, 1415 01:27:06.680 --> 01:27:09.800 if any of them, you know, had any financial interest 1416 01:27:09.840 --> 01:27:11.720 with her, the people who died on the Titanic and 1417 01:27:11.760 --> 01:27:17.960 any financial

interest with hers or then yeah, or any 1418 01:27:18.000 --> 01:27:19.560 of the papers at the time, you know, who had 1419 01:27:19.560 --> 01:27:25.880 the biggest conglomerate of papers at the time to sway 1420 01:27:26.000 --> 01:27:26.720 public opinion. 1421 01:27:28.279 --> 01:27:31.319 M h it's just enough to make you go hmmmm. 1422 01:27:33.520 --> 01:27:35.800 I saw that, M D. Bob Ross. 1423 01:27:40.199 --> 01:27:43.159 My spirit animal. I am the bob Ross of mental images. 1424 01:27:44.039 --> 01:27:47.800 As soon as Aggie started calling the iceberg a happy 1425 01:27:47.840 --> 01:27:49.920 little accident, I was thinking of him bating trees. 1426 01:27:50.039 --> 01:27:59.600 So so take a break, I'll see if I can 1427 01:27:59.640 --> 01:28:04.720 find that and uh, swen Child thing. You can put 1428 01:28:04.760 --> 01:28:07.319 it up in the chat or not whatever, but yes, 1429 01:28:07.520 --> 01:28:09.159 I have encountered a rothschild in a while. 1430 01:28:10.119 --> 01:28:13.359 Yeah, all right, well, once you find it, we'll talk 1431 01:28:13.399 --> 01:28:16.359 about it. I guess. Let me get this cuebe back 1432 01:28:16.399 --> 01:28:20.520 up again again. We're just gonna replay this awesome song 1433 01:28:20.600 --> 01:28:25.520 that Jeff's just made specifically for this show. Dude, he's 1434 01:28:25.640 --> 01:28:26.840 getting really good at this stuff. 1435 01:28:27.159 --> 01:28:28.319 It's so damn good at this. 1436 01:28:30.159 --> 01:28:32.119 I will say this one might be a little too 1437 01:28:32.159 --> 01:28:34.560 medally even for me, but I still really like the lyrics. 1438 01:28:37.479 --> 01:28:39.199 Here we go again because I actually left the room 1439 01:28:39.279 --> 01:28:40.640 last time, so I'm gonna listen to most of it 1440 01:28:40.720 --> 01:28:41.039 this time. 1441 01:28:41.880 --> 01:29:31.079 So one ship was Another's name, The discons lost, the flame. 1442 01:29:32.520 --> 01:29:38.239 Still numbers now pay six kids. Mar is a blow 1443 01:29:39.319 --> 01:29:40.720 tide of deceit. 1444 01:29:42.399 --> 01:29:47.640 The ki opens under secrets a case city. 1445 01:29:49.640 --> 01:29:52.600 Sign, the way It's got. 1446 01:29:54.359 --> 01:30:00.960 Beneen, the stores, the sun and the shock. 1447 01:30:01.960 --> 01:30:03.479 They all shot. 1448 01:30:17.079 --> 01:30:27.159 So shadows can say skin the Mascularrae sells, the Mascular says. 1449 01:30:28.159 --> 01:30:33.399 That Jack hands the bud say. 1450 01:30:33.479 --> 01:30:40.800 Says sign. 1451 01:30:42.399 --> 01:30:48.079 It doesn't beneath the group sign. 1452 01:30:49.960 --> 01:30:51.760 The sign shop. 1453 01:30:53.359 --> 01:30:54.119 Shot, j. 1454 01:31:07.920 --> 01:31:15.079 Seats left empty, tickets never torn for chose ashore. 1455 01:31:14.840 --> 01:31:22.960 While the cold was born, stealing disguise Morgan's unseen by 1456 01:31:23.159 --> 01:31:27.800 him to the drowned and unbroken ski. 1457 01:31:48.399 --> 01:31:52.279 Contract Saint and saults and rost. 1458 01:31:54.119 --> 01:31:59.680 Every bier belt on frost, but the tide takes off 1459 01:32:00.560 --> 01:32:15.479 without and trous the questioning fool side noise that sad 1460 01:32:16.680 --> 01:32:17.680 the first. 1461 01:32:20.880 --> 01:32:35.920 The side shock they have shot numble they side stop, 1462 01:32:48.720 --> 01:32:51.600 they out shot number. 1463 01:33:13.560 --> 01:33:16.439 And welcome back into juxtaposition, ladies and gentlemen again. I 1464 01:33:16.600 --> 01:33:19.520 am Rick Robinson. He is Ordinance j Packard, and we 1465 01:33:19.560 --> 01:33:22.279 have very special guests this evening, my co host and 1466 01:33:22.359 --> 01:33:24.520 partner in crime for He's that. She said, I want 1467 01:33:24.560 --> 01:33:27.039 to give a thank you to Jeff for filling in 1468 01:33:27.159 --> 01:33:29.000 for me last night, because I don't know if you 1469 01:33:29.039 --> 01:33:31.199 can still hear it, but I'm I'm still kind of scratchy. 1470 01:33:31.239 --> 01:33:32.920 It was even worse yesterday, which is why I didn't 1471 01:33:32.920 --> 01:33:36.520 do anything else. But yeah, so I want to thank 1472 01:33:36.600 --> 01:33:38.800 Jeff for filling in. The alien takeover seemed to have 1473 01:33:38.880 --> 01:33:41.640 been successful from what I heard when I finally woke 1474 01:33:41.720 --> 01:33:42.439 up this morning. 1475 01:33:44.840 --> 01:33:46.560 And then he had the bump stocks out tonight with 1476 01:33:46.920 --> 01:33:48.720 both the loss their boys. What do you what do 1477 01:33:48.760 --> 01:33:50.439 you all got back out there? In the Midwest. 1478 01:33:50.520 --> 01:33:53.840 It's it's the fall is sitting in early, so all 1479 01:33:53.880 --> 01:33:55.720 the stuff that usually gets us in about another few 1480 01:33:55.720 --> 01:33:56.720 weeks is hitting us now. 1481 01:33:57.399 --> 01:33:57.640 Yep. 1482 01:33:58.920 --> 01:34:01.199 Oh, so plans are having sex in your face again? 1483 01:34:01.680 --> 01:34:09.880 Yes, exactly. All right, So before we get into the 1484 01:34:09.920 --> 01:34:11.279 next segment, I feel like I need to do some 1485 01:34:11.359 --> 01:34:14.119 housekeeping because MD made a very valid point in the 1486 01:34:14.239 --> 01:34:17.319 chat earlier that Rothschild actually lost his ticket in a 1487 01:34:17.399 --> 01:34:20.399 card game. My stance would be, why the hell would 1488 01:34:20.439 --> 01:34:22.680 you gamble with the ticket if you planned on going 1489 01:34:23.800 --> 01:34:30.119 and if you're like that wealthy, Because to me, that 1490 01:34:30.399 --> 01:34:31.960 seems like that's kind of like, oh, I'm going to 1491 01:34:32.000 --> 01:34:33.880 give myself an alibi. So if this pulls up in 1492 01:34:33.920 --> 01:34:36.119 my face, they're not going to think I'm a It's 1493 01:34:36.199 --> 01:34:37.720 not that I didn't want to go. I lost my 1494 01:34:37.800 --> 01:34:38.760 ticket in

the card games. 1495 01:34:39.399 --> 01:34:41.520 And I mean, did it happen on his way there? 1496 01:34:41.680 --> 01:34:43.800 Did it happen while they were waiting to get on 1497 01:34:43.960 --> 01:34:47.800 the boat. I mean, I can't just see that as 1498 01:34:47.840 --> 01:34:51.239 something that roth Child would carry around, you know, right, 1499 01:34:52.359 --> 01:34:54.199 you know it's like four days before I let you know, 1500 01:34:54.319 --> 01:34:55.840 I just happened to have the ticket on me in 1501 01:34:55.920 --> 01:35:04.319 a card game. You're a fucking rothschild, somebody. Your cufflings 1502 01:35:04.399 --> 01:35:06.560 probably have more value than the face than the face 1503 01:35:06.640 --> 01:35:07.399 value of that ticket. 1504 01:35:08.239 --> 01:35:10.479 Oh actually, I think I got it now. I think 1505 01:35:10.760 --> 01:35:12.920 I think he was making a reference to the movie. 1506 01:35:12.960 --> 01:35:15.880 But I'm pretty sure I was busy by them. Ah 1507 01:35:16.600 --> 01:35:22.680 so uh anyway, Jack, Jack was kicking the car game. Yeah, 1508 01:35:23.319 --> 01:35:25.000 by the way he rose, there was enough room on 1509 01:35:25.039 --> 01:35:28.479 the door, you winch Yeah, that ho. 1510 01:35:30.960 --> 01:35:34.279 Christine totally was. She loses a virginity to Jack in there, 1511 01:35:34.319 --> 01:35:35.960 and then she decides, you know what, I wonder what 1512 01:35:36.079 --> 01:35:38.159 else is out there? No, there's no space here, honey 1513 01:35:38.239 --> 01:35:42.359 by lets him go and then goes lift lives her 1514 01:35:42.439 --> 01:35:45.239 life and you know, and all those pictures that she 1515 01:35:45.399 --> 01:35:49.720 had up there, not one, not one had her husband 1516 01:35:49.760 --> 01:35:55.239 in it. Did you notice it was all her? I 1517 01:35:55.399 --> 01:35:56.039 rest my case. 1518 01:35:56.880 --> 01:35:58.920 Yeah, No, I think I think Jack just didn't want 1519 01:35:59.359 --> 01:36:01.079 on the board. You know, this chick is gonna be 1520 01:36:01.079 --> 01:36:01.920 such a clinger. 1521 01:36:05.520 --> 01:36:06.079 I'd. 1522 01:36:08.039 --> 01:36:18.479 Yeah, gnaw my arm off. One of the things we 1523 01:36:18.520 --> 01:36:22.000 didn't bring up was the prop, the center prop. And 1524 01:36:23.520 --> 01:36:27.760 you know it's so the propeller serial number on the 1525 01:36:27.800 --> 01:36:32.199 Titanic Center propellers was stamped with four oh one. That's 1526 01:36:32.239 --> 01:36:34.760 the yard number four. It the Olympics version of it 1527 01:36:34.880 --> 01:36:36.840 was four hundred, which one is on the bottom of 1528 01:36:36.880 --> 01:36:38.560 the ocean. Four hundred. 1529 01:36:40.399 --> 01:36:41.359 Done dune dune. 1530 01:36:43.520 --> 01:36:49.039 Yeah, it's like, oh, you know they're just swapping parts. No, 1531 01:36:50.279 --> 01:36:53.960 that's not it works, that's not how you know what 1532 01:36:54.119 --> 01:36:56.279 we got the We got the Olympic over here, and 1533 01:36:56.760 --> 01:36:58.439 I just don't know where the center prop is for 1534 01:36:58.520 --> 01:37:00.840 the Titanic. Go grab that. No, you find out. This 1535 01:37:01.000 --> 01:37:03.319 isn't just like you know, hey, I can't find my 1536 01:37:03.439 --> 01:37:06.199 GPS or you know, it's you just use the one 1537 01:37:06.239 --> 01:37:07.079 out of the other truck. 1538 01:37:07.439 --> 01:37:09.560 No, it's it's a vend number. 1539 01:37:10.680 --> 01:37:17.640 Yeah, I mean these props are designed for the I mean, 1540 01:37:17.720 --> 01:37:23.760 even though the three sisters were somewhat identical, the props 1541 01:37:23.760 --> 01:37:25.319 are specifically designed for that. 1542 01:37:25.840 --> 01:37:26.000 You know. 1543 01:37:26.319 --> 01:37:28.359 It's not like today where you just hey, you know, 1544 01:37:28.520 --> 01:37:30.199 I got a beach craft, I need a prop for 1545 01:37:30.279 --> 01:37:34.479 you or whatever. You know, it's these ships. It's specifically 1546 01:37:34.520 --> 01:37:35.319 designed for the ship. 1547 01:37:39.600 --> 01:37:44.479 Yeah, I did that just again that that makes no 1548 01:37:44.600 --> 01:37:45.039 sense to me. 1549 01:37:46.359 --> 01:37:50.000 Yeah, it just goes with everything that you know, the portholes. 1550 01:37:50.000 --> 01:37:51.600 You got to go back to the porthole, even without 1551 01:37:51.600 --> 01:37:54.840 the art. You know, the portholes, the deck windows, the 1552 01:37:55.920 --> 01:38:00.399 wear and tear, and you know, and here's the other thing. 1553 01:38:00.520 --> 01:38:06.439 So after the Titanic and the Britannic get's sunk in sixteen, 1554 01:38:07.199 --> 01:38:09.439 the Olympic goes on and serves for another twenty years. 1555 01:38:10.439 --> 01:38:14.239 So from the accident with the keel bending from the 1556 01:38:14.399 --> 01:38:20.000 HMS Hawk it was said to maneuver poorly. So the 1557 01:38:20.199 --> 01:38:22.960 one that maneuvers poorly is the one that remains in 1558 01:38:23.079 --> 01:38:27.560 service without any other incident for twenty years, nearly twenty 1559 01:38:27.600 --> 01:38:28.079 five years. 1560 01:38:28.840 --> 01:38:29.119 Yeah. 1561 01:38:30.159 --> 01:38:33.760 So well that's the other thing I mean, because if 1562 01:38:33.840 --> 01:38:37.119 they declared the Olympic initially unensurable, how the hell did 1563 01:38:37.159 --> 01:38:37.960 it stay in service. 1564 01:38:40.399 --> 01:38:41.880 Yeah, that's a hell of a risk. 1565 01:38:44.000 --> 01:38:46.319 You know, the mine during the war, it was a 1566 01:38:46.439 --> 01:38:50.199 troop ship. It needed to be very safe, it needed 1567 01:38:50.279 --> 01:38:51.279 to be very hearty. 1568 01:38:54.039 --> 01:39:00.560 Yeah, yeah, it just I mean, like you said though, 1569 01:39:00.600 --> 01:39:04.159 with it being uninsurable, you know, this isn't the kind 1570 01:39:04.159 --> 01:39:06.079 of thing where you

got a new car and you know, 1571 01:39:06.479 --> 01:39:08.800 oh it's totaled out, but you can continue to drive 1572 01:39:08.840 --> 01:39:11.840 it and you get basic insurance. You're not gonna be 1573 01:39:11.840 --> 01:39:14.680 able to get liability insurance for a ship with a 1574 01:39:14.760 --> 01:39:15.520 bent keel. 1575 01:39:17.279 --> 01:39:19.000 Yeah, that's like trying to get insurance on a car 1576 01:39:19.079 --> 01:39:22.960 with a bin frame. Yeah, that's called total motherfuckers. 1577 01:39:24.159 --> 01:39:26.359 I mean, you know, the Formula I drive was totaled 1578 01:39:26.359 --> 01:39:28.159 when I laid it down, but that was just to 1579 01:39:28.399 --> 01:39:30.920 his insurance didn't want to, you know, pay to get 1580 01:39:30.960 --> 01:39:34.800 it fixed up. You know, it's and really it's just 1581 01:39:34.840 --> 01:39:37.079 a few dents and everything, and there's no frame damage 1582 01:39:37.159 --> 01:39:38.920 or anything like that, so I can still insure it. 1583 01:39:39.520 --> 01:39:44.399 But it's you know, the insurance company when you have 1584 01:39:44.520 --> 01:39:47.039 a bent keel, they're not just gonna like, you know what, 1585 01:39:47.079 --> 01:39:48.560 We're just not going to insure it because it's not 1586 01:39:48.600 --> 01:39:51.039 worth it anymore. Just go ahead and you know, you know, 1587 01:39:51.119 --> 01:39:54.600 we'll give you basic liability. You don't ensure that. It's 1588 01:39:56.319 --> 01:39:59.399 because that is a floating problem. I mean, it's a 1589 01:39:59.439 --> 01:40:03.760 floating death the trap at that point. Yeah, I mean 1590 01:40:04.279 --> 01:40:08.239 perfectly see where the vessels go ramming into aircraft. 1591 01:40:07.920 --> 01:40:11.880 Carriers, especially if you're China. Oh wait. 1592 01:40:13.840 --> 01:40:14.640 Yeah see. 1593 01:40:17.680 --> 01:40:19.560 But no, I mean all all of this, you know, 1594 01:40:20.079 --> 01:40:22.079 is where as we're starting to wrap all this up, 1595 01:40:22.279 --> 01:40:25.319 I just I don't know. I mean, we've gone through 1596 01:40:25.960 --> 01:40:28.760 a lot of information and seen a lot of anomalies, 1597 01:40:28.880 --> 01:40:32.079 and again the whole the argument that, well, at some 1598 01:40:32.199 --> 01:40:34.600 point they just they went ahead and refit her with 1599 01:40:34.720 --> 01:40:37.880 sixteen portals. This was her maiden voyage, was it not. 1600 01:40:38.920 --> 01:40:42.479 Yeah, yeah, when hey, you know what, we need those 1601 01:40:42.520 --> 01:40:44.319 two extra portholes, just go drow a hole in the 1602 01:40:45.000 --> 01:40:46.399 hole on sea deck. 1603 01:40:46.960 --> 01:40:50.840 So sometime between I'm assuming what would have been a 1604 01:40:50.880 --> 01:40:53.520 shakedown cruise and her maiden voyage, they decided they needed 1605 01:40:53.560 --> 01:40:54.399 two extra portals. 1606 01:40:57.600 --> 01:41:01.920 Well, I've you know, I tried to try to

make sense. Hey, 1607 01:41:02.239 --> 01:41:06.359 you know what so and so wants an extra he's 1608 01:41:06.439 --> 01:41:11.840 paying this much money for that particular cabin suite. And 1609 01:41:11.960 --> 01:41:16.199 these things were like, you know, like in if you 1610 01:41:16.279 --> 01:41:20.319 saw the movie, these things were extravagant. Maybe somebody wanted 1611 01:41:20.359 --> 01:41:22.560 an extra window. But the thing is, you can't just 1612 01:41:23.239 --> 01:41:27.720 saw a hole and then put the full window on it, 1613 01:41:28.119 --> 01:41:28.319 you know. 1614 01:41:30.520 --> 01:41:32.199 I mean, it would have been a lot of work 1615 01:41:32.279 --> 01:41:36.640 to make those structural changes. I mean, and I mean, 1616 01:41:36.720 --> 01:41:39.520 it's it's not it's so. It's in the fact that 1617 01:41:40.119 --> 01:41:45.039 the promenade deck windows were arranged differently than Titanic's original blueprints, 1618 01:41:45.880 --> 01:41:48.640 the fact that the proplem numbers different the proplem numbers different. 1619 01:41:49.000 --> 01:41:51.640 That was the serial number for the main prop of 1620 01:41:51.760 --> 01:41:56.119 the ship. That was her. That's her cue number four one. 1621 01:41:57.000 --> 01:42:01.279 It's stamped everywhere in the ship for identification purposes. 1622 01:42:03.479 --> 01:42:05.039 Well, and Jeff brings up a good point too in 1623 01:42:05.119 --> 01:42:08.239 the chat. You said, you know, the ship that moves 1624 01:42:08.319 --> 01:42:11.960 horribly because of the bent keel could not dodge an 1625 01:42:12.000 --> 01:42:17.600 iceberg tracks Because I mean it's not like it's weaving 1626 01:42:17.680 --> 01:42:20.640 all over the place, you know, but still it's the 1627 01:42:20.720 --> 01:42:23.119 ship isn't going to maneuver the way you expect it to, 1628 01:42:23.279 --> 01:42:26.039 even if you've gotten used to that little quirk. You know, 1629 01:42:26.159 --> 01:42:27.399 It's kind of like when you got a car with 1630 01:42:27.479 --> 01:42:29.039 a low tire and you're trying to get to the 1631 01:42:29.079 --> 01:42:31.880 gas station to fill it up. It's not behaving how 1632 01:42:31.960 --> 01:42:33.840 you want it, and even when you get used to it, 1633 01:42:34.319 --> 01:42:36.439 you just it still doesn't do what you want it 1634 01:42:36.520 --> 01:42:36.640 to do. 1635 01:42:37.720 --> 01:42:41.000 Well, Yeah, like the my car before before we got 1636 01:42:41.039 --> 01:42:43.520 the new one, you know, it was old enough that 1637 01:42:43.600 --> 01:42:45.000 it was starting to get kind of quirky, but I 1638 01:42:45.079 --> 01:42:46.479 knew how to drive it. There was a day that 1639 01:42:46.600 --> 01:42:49.920 my wife was driving it and she didn't realize that 1640 01:42:50.319 --> 01:42:53.199 because one of the last times she drove it she went, 1641 01:42:53.399 --> 01:42:55.640 she jumped a curb, that there were issues with the 1642 01:42:55.680

--> 01:42:57.760 brakes that I hadn't fixed yet, because I didn't worry 1643 01:42:57.760 --> 01:42:59.079 about it because I'm like, I know how to drive it. 1644 01:42:59.399 --> 01:43:01.359 I let her have it forgetting that the brakes were 1645 01:43:01.439 --> 01:43:03.319 kind of fed up, and next thing I know, we're 1646 01:43:03.319 --> 01:43:05.439 plowing into the back of a car. Because I probably 1647 01:43:05.439 --> 01:43:08.560 should add, but it's the same thing. I wasn't worried 1648 01:43:08.600 --> 01:43:10.039 about it because I'd dra it all the time. I 1649 01:43:10.119 --> 01:43:11.720 know how to make it. Behathe I didn't think about 1650 01:43:11.720 --> 01:43:13.239 her driving it and her not knowing how to do it. 1651 01:43:15.239 --> 01:43:19.479 But again, you know, keep in mind that the same this, 1652 01:43:20.840 --> 01:43:23.359 unless I'm mistaken, the same guy that was at fault 1653 01:43:23.439 --> 01:43:26.640 for the original incident with the Olympic was actually also 1654 01:43:26.720 --> 01:43:32.800 the one piloting that captaining the captain. So kind of 1655 01:43:32.840 --> 01:43:36.600 feeling like they wanted that fucker did I do? Didn't 1656 01:43:37.039 --> 01:43:39.239 You didn't go down with this ship, So we're gonna 1657 01:43:39.239 --> 01:43:40.479 rename it and you can try again. 1658 01:43:41.479 --> 01:43:44.680 I mean, and that's you know, that's the kind of thing. 1659 01:43:44.760 --> 01:43:48.359 You you look at the concept of honor back in 1660 01:43:48.439 --> 01:43:51.960 the day too, you would he like, you know, you know, hey, 1661 01:43:52.039 --> 01:43:54.079 this is a huge staind on my reputation. I can't 1662 01:43:54.119 --> 01:43:56.840 get a job anywhere else. So, you know, after the 1663 01:43:56.920 --> 01:44:00.920 incident with a hawk, you know, fall on his sword 1664 01:44:01.079 --> 01:44:07.840 literally there, you know, fall on the iceberg. But you 1665 01:44:07.920 --> 01:44:10.119 know that may be stretching a bit, but then you also, 1666 01:44:10.279 --> 01:44:12.159 you know what's in the minds of men, you know, 1667 01:44:12.279 --> 01:44:14.680 maybe he yeah, I'm totally going down with the ship, 1668 01:44:15.760 --> 01:44:18.880 you know, you know, especially when the honor was a 1669 01:44:18.920 --> 01:44:20.920 big thing among the British. Not so much anymore, but 1670 01:44:21.000 --> 01:44:24.159 back in the day, honor was kind of a big thing. Yeah. 1671 01:44:24.319 --> 01:44:28.119 Well, I mean so again, though, you know, I still 1672 01:44:28.640 --> 01:44:30.880 I agree with Aggie. I think the accident. I think 1673 01:44:30.920 --> 01:44:33.000 the iceberg may have been a happy accident because I 1674 01:44:33.039 --> 01:44:37.199 think they had other plans to sinker. So I don't 1675 01:44:37.199 --> 01:44:38.960 think the origin I think I don't think the original 1676 01:44:39.039 --> 01:44:42.119 plan was the iceberg. I think the iceberg they were like, oh, 1677 01:44:42.479 --> 01:44:46.560 this would make it look even more plausible, and. 1678 01:44:46.680 --> 01:44:50.960 They just you know, uh, kind of remove the things 1679 01:44:51.039 --> 01:44:55.640 that may have made it a little bit more difficult 1680 01:44:55.680 --> 01:45:00.680 to see this coming iceberg, like the binoculars which could 1681 01:45:00.720 --> 01:45:01.239 not be found. 1682 01:45:01.800 --> 01:45:06.039 Well, they're obviously going to have a backup pair of binoculars. 1683 01:45:06.079 --> 01:45:10.720 I mean, yes, you would think at least jewel a 1684 01:45:10.800 --> 01:45:13.279 get crown jewel. You got to keep coming back to it, 1685 01:45:14.079 --> 01:45:16.159 the Jewel of White Star, which is the crown Jewel 1686 01:45:16.199 --> 01:45:18.800 of imm which is the pet project of JP Morgan 1687 01:45:18.840 --> 01:45:23.560 at the time. All of his eggs are in that basket, and. 1688 01:45:23.960 --> 01:45:27.479 That basket was really really full of holes ever since 1689 01:45:27.560 --> 01:45:31.840 the Olympic collided with that warship. Just bringing that point 1690 01:45:31.920 --> 01:45:32.479 back home to. 1691 01:45:34.399 --> 01:45:41.720 Full holes. Joke well crafted. So I don't know. 1692 01:45:41.960 --> 01:45:44.279 I mean, you know, we're coming up towards the end 1693 01:45:44.319 --> 01:45:46.479 of it here, so I don't know. I know a 1694 01:45:46.560 --> 01:45:48.199 lot of I know there were a couple of folks 1695 01:45:48.239 --> 01:45:49.920 in the beginning of the show that we're like, I'm 1696 01:45:49.960 --> 01:45:52.279 not so sure. I'm wondering if we've changed any minds 1697 01:45:54.439 --> 01:46:00.520 because I still because I will admit, I don't know 1698 01:46:00.680 --> 01:46:02.800 why this is because this is what the second or 1699 01:46:02.840 --> 01:46:04.920 third time we've done this topic. I don't know why 1700 01:46:05.039 --> 01:46:08.079 the I don't think I don't know why the art 1701 01:46:08.199 --> 01:46:11.119 being left or not being left in the ship didn't 1702 01:46:11.119 --> 01:46:12.880 click in my brain this art the first time as 1703 01:46:12.920 --> 01:46:14.920 it did this time. But that that's the thing that 1704 01:46:15.000 --> 01:46:17.760 I keep coming back to. Dude, was only supposed to 1705 01:46:17.840 --> 01:46:20.000 have like a tummy ak or something, and was still 1706 01:46:20.039 --> 01:46:22.119 planning on going back to America. Why did he pull 1707 01:46:22.199 --> 01:46:27.359 the arts. 1708 01:46:26.439 --> 01:46:28.920 France? Is are going to dig that? Yeah, and that's 1709 01:46:29.079 --> 01:46:31.600 you know, talking to Jeff and Discord too. You know 1710 01:46:31.800 --> 01:46:34.840 that It's just one of those things that I've never 1711 01:46:34.960 --> 01:46:36.960 really focused on. And thank you Aggie for being on 1712 01:46:37.039 --> 01:46:41.720 toot to hit that because yeah, I got that is 1713 01:46:41.880 -->

01:46:45.600 actually probably that is leaning towards the biggest indictment with me. 1714 01:46:47.680 --> 01:46:51.640 Yeah, you can. People can't explain almost everything else away. 1715 01:46:51.800 --> 01:46:54.680 They they will find excuses, they will find explanations, they 1716 01:46:54.720 --> 01:47:00.399 will find reasons. That's fine, but that that one thing, no, nobody, 1717 01:47:00.800 --> 01:47:04.920 nobody can actually explain that. It makes no sense. 1718 01:47:09.640 --> 01:47:11.640 So yeah, maybe that's why I drove home so much 1719 01:47:11.680 --> 01:47:13.520 harder this time, because Aggie was here to drive the 1720 01:47:13.560 --> 01:47:16.680 boy home because yeah, I'm that that was something I 1721 01:47:16.800 --> 01:47:21.720 never thought of before something changed. 1722 01:47:21.760 --> 01:47:23.039 Cameron did it to make the movie. 1723 01:47:23.840 --> 01:47:26.880 Yeah, well you know, well we've already established that time 1724 01:47:26.960 --> 01:47:29.760 travel is now an engineering problem, so it is plausible. 1725 01:47:31.000 --> 01:47:34.159 Well, I'm earlier in the chat. I think it was 1726 01:47:35.600 --> 01:47:37.760 I'm not sure who it was, but I want to 1727 01:47:37.800 --> 01:47:40.039 say it was empty who said that thankfully it was 1728 01:47:40.079 --> 01:47:42.680 a Spielberg who directed her, because then it would have 1729 01:47:42.720 --> 01:47:48.600 been Cake Capshaw. I'm happy. I'm happy about that. I 1730 01:47:48.680 --> 01:47:52.079 don't want I don't want Cake Capshaw to be you know, sullied. 1731 01:47:52.920 --> 01:47:57.279 So actually I love Kate Winslet. So I can't say anything, 1732 01:47:57.760 --> 01:47:59.760 but I just I can't sit down and watch this. 1733 01:48:00.000 --> 01:48:03.720 I mean, it's just, oh god. 1734 01:48:05.000 --> 01:48:09.159 The other thing that you going with something Jeff sent 1735 01:48:09.199 --> 01:48:12.760 me in discord too, the heel breaking in half Either 1736 01:48:12.840 --> 01:48:15.600 the ship breaking in half was that from the damaged 1737 01:48:15.640 --> 01:48:16.880 keel or from the scuttling. 1738 01:48:20.079 --> 01:48:22.960 Very good question, I mean, yeah, I know. 1739 01:48:23.000 --> 01:48:24.520 It was taking on a lot of water and wind 1740 01:48:24.640 --> 01:48:26.680 nosed down and then the back end just kind of 1741 01:48:26.760 --> 01:48:31.199 fell off. Yes, I understand physics well enough to understand that, yes, 1742 01:48:31.279 --> 01:48:33.239 it probably could not have supported that kind of weight, 1743 01:48:33.560 --> 01:48:37.279 but also yes it could have because of all the 1744 01:48:37.520 --> 01:48:43.039 internal superstructure between you know, the bulkheads and everything else. Yeah, 1745 01:48:43.079 --> 01:48:47.479 it's a heavy motherfucker. But yeah. 1746 01:48:48.199 --> 01:48:51.119 So m. 1747 01:48:54.600 --> 01:48:59.720 Lots of questions, yeah, yeah, and not very many answers. 1748 01:49:02.000 --> 01:49:04.520 I think the other one that really trips me off 1749 01:49:04.760 --> 01:49:07.720 or trips me on is realizing that the main propeller 1750 01:49:07.880 --> 01:49:12.000 number doesn't match the registry number of the ship. 1751 01:49:14.399 --> 01:49:16.319 They just changed. They just swapped them when they were 1752 01:49:16.319 --> 01:49:18.239 in dry dock. Why why would you do that? 1753 01:49:20.680 --> 01:49:22.680 Do we will not know how heavy those things are. 1754 01:49:23.520 --> 01:49:27.319 I mean, I like it, you like, wait, let's swap 1755 01:49:27.399 --> 01:49:28.479 the tops of these two. 1756 01:49:29.600 --> 01:49:33.199 Well, the other reason, but the other reason is why 1757 01:49:33.239 --> 01:49:38.199 would they have to the ship maybe in voyage, it 1758 01:49:38.359 --> 01:49:41.159 had gone through a shakedown cruise or two maybe other 1759 01:49:41.319 --> 01:49:43.680 than a bunch of people touring it, which is the 1760 01:49:43.720 --> 01:49:46.039 reason why the well, the carpet was kind of threadbury. 1761 01:49:46.399 --> 01:49:48.279 That was only because so many people were touring it 1762 01:49:48.319 --> 01:49:49.239 before it ever launched. 1763 01:49:49.279 --> 01:49:53.319 No bullshit, No, yeah, I mean a year of use 1764 01:49:53.479 --> 01:49:55.039 is the Olympic makes a hell of a lot more 1765 01:49:55.079 --> 01:49:59.800 sense than you know, several thousand lookie lose touring the 1766 01:49:59.840 --> 01:50:04.319 sh ship. But yeah, no, I mean it's okay if 1767 01:50:04.359 --> 01:50:06.960 you want to take They just swapped it for reasons. 1768 01:50:07.640 --> 01:50:09.119 A hell of a lot more people are going to 1769 01:50:09.119 --> 01:50:12.199 be paying attention to that at the shipyards than you know, 1770 01:50:13.039 --> 01:50:15.319 a mysterious middle of the night paint job and all 1771 01:50:15.359 --> 01:50:18.000 the fixtures being moved around, you know, I mean. 1772 01:50:18.279 --> 01:50:20.159 Yeah, that would that would attract eyes. 1773 01:50:21.239 --> 01:50:24.640 Yeah, and that's just a guess you know, oh, maybe 1774 01:50:24.680 --> 01:50:28.840 they just swapped it. That's that holds as much theory 1775 01:50:29.079 --> 01:50:32.760 as you know, everything else we've talked about tonight, that 1776 01:50:32.960 --> 01:50:36.399 that is a counter conspiracy. That's conspiracy theory to disprove 1777 01:50:36.439 --> 01:50:39.960 a conspiracy theory. Basically, well, you know, it's they just 1778 01:50:40.000 --> 01:50:42.439 swapped the prop. Why what reason would they have done that? 1779 01:50:42.520 --> 01:50:54.399 Well, you know, it's like again, why I I It 1780 01:50:54.520 --> 01:50:56.680 doesn't make any sense. This was supposed to be a 1781 01:50:56.800 --> 01:50:59.319 brand new, just off the line ship. There was no 1782 01:50:59.439 --> 01:51:00.520 reason this was the prop. 1783 01:51:01.560 --> 01:51:07.680 Yeah, none. I mean, okay, if

it had cavitation issues 1784 01:51:07.760 --> 01:51:11.000 or something, yes, I could see that maybe, But again, 1785 01:51:11.199 --> 01:51:17.600 the prop was specifically designed for that ship. So it 1786 01:51:17.800 --> 01:51:20.439 just doesn't make sense that, hey, here's this other prop 1787 01:51:20.520 --> 01:51:24.119 that was on a ship that ran into a military ship. 1788 01:51:24.159 --> 01:51:25.920 There may be some damage all the way back to 1789 01:51:25.960 --> 01:51:28.760 the prop, but maybe not. But hey, let's put it 1790 01:51:28.840 --> 01:51:33.760 on this brand new fucker. And just because you know, 1791 01:51:33.840 --> 01:51:35.920 because there were no reports of why they would have 1792 01:51:36.000 --> 01:51:38.159 done that, you know, it's you know, oh, you know 1793 01:51:38.239 --> 01:51:40.920 there was cavitation in the prop, that would make sense, 1794 01:51:41.319 --> 01:51:45.359 that would make for a less than optimal ride for anybody, 1795 01:51:45.880 --> 01:51:48.039 But that's not in any of the documentation either. 1796 01:51:53.079 --> 01:51:58.399 Like I said, lots of questions, no real answers. No, 1797 01:51:58.720 --> 01:52:00.680 so just say, you guys know, we've got like over 1798 01:52:00.760 --> 01:52:03.840 twelve hundred people hanging out with us right now, outstanding. 1799 01:52:04.479 --> 01:52:13.039 Welcome all of you. It's Aggie Cheek. 1800 01:52:16.039 --> 01:52:16.079 No. 1801 01:52:17.920 --> 01:52:21.439 Oh, and I couldn't find that Rothschild screenshot. I know 1802 01:52:21.600 --> 01:52:23.359 somebody out there has it. They send it to me 1803 01:52:23.439 --> 01:52:25.840 and I'll put the call out on Twitter because I 1804 01:52:25.920 --> 01:52:28.520 couldn't find it anywhere. I don't know what I named it. 1805 01:52:30.199 --> 01:52:32.720 So if anybody has that, because I know a couple 1806 01:52:32.800 --> 01:52:35.560 of you have shown it to me since then saying hey, 1807 01:52:35.640 --> 01:52:38.119 remember when this happened, Send that to me so I 1808 01:52:38.279 --> 01:52:42.039 can boost it because I want that back. Yeah. The 1809 01:52:42.119 --> 01:52:45.399 guy turned out to me. You know, we obviously came 1810 01:52:45.479 --> 01:52:46.920 down on the wrong side of something, and it was 1811 01:52:47.000 --> 01:52:48.600 back in the days of Jack where I couldn't have 1812 01:52:48.680 --> 01:52:53.239 hit him with both barrels. But he did turn out 1813 01:52:53.279 --> 01:52:56.039 to be quite magnanimous, especially when I joked about the 1814 01:52:56.359 --> 01:52:58.279 his family tree looking like a telephone pole. 1815 01:53:08.880 --> 01:53:14.439 Okay, well a little yeah, that was I was going, 1816 01:53:16.880 --> 01:53:24.600 oh boy, oh, you're right, this was fun. 1817 01:53:25.479 --> 01:53:26.399 It was it was. 1818 01:53:29.880 --> 01:53:32.119 Or anything you want to add to the well, you know, 1819 01:53:32.359 --> 01:53:33.520 it has I had. 1820 01:53:33.880 --> 01:53:37.199 I had, you know, toyed with the whole conspiracy theory, 1821 01:53:37.359 --> 01:53:39.560 the switching of the vessels, all that stuff and everything, 1822 01:53:39.600 --> 01:53:42.159 but I never really went into that deep dive until 1823 01:53:42.199 --> 01:53:45.600 this show. And I am really ticked off about the 1824 01:53:45.760 --> 01:53:51.119 art situation. But that's just me. But that's a you know, 1825 01:53:51.279 --> 01:53:53.960 that's a sticking point. I mean, I can you know, 1826 01:53:54.119 --> 01:53:56.359 I'm sure that there are people that can explain everything 1827 01:53:56.399 --> 01:53:59.560 else away, but they cannot explain that. And that's a 1828 01:53:59.680 --> 01:54:03.119 big that. It's not a little that, it's a big that. 1829 01:54:03.600 --> 01:54:08.199 So thanks for that. I'm gonna be like, I'm going 1830 01:54:08.279 --> 01:54:11.880 to be at church tomorrow and right there during the 1831 01:54:12.119 --> 01:54:16.479 Nicene Creed, I'm gonna be like, what why why the art? 1832 01:54:16.760 --> 01:54:17.079 You know, but. 1833 01:54:18.560 --> 01:54:20.560 She's going to be in the confessional after church being 1834 01:54:21.079 --> 01:54:22.640 I can't get this thought to go away. 1835 01:54:23.920 --> 01:54:26.640 Yeah, it's funny because my mom said you should volunteer 1836 01:54:26.800 --> 01:54:28.600 for the church, blah blah blah and all that stuff, 1837 01:54:28.600 --> 01:54:30.399 and I'm like, I don't want to take the classes 1838 01:54:30.479 --> 01:54:32.640 to you know, do all that stuff and everything. But 1839 01:54:33.319 --> 01:54:35.760 I was looking around at a lot of the church. 1840 01:54:35.880 --> 01:54:38.800 You know, there's a lot of exposed wood, so I'm 1841 01:54:38.840 --> 01:54:42.439 gonna I'm actually going next week to ask, yeah, who's 1842 01:54:42.479 --> 01:54:45.279 taking care of all of the woodwork here? Because it 1843 01:54:45.359 --> 01:54:48.560 looks pretty dry. I'm going to volunteer to queen it 1844 01:54:48.640 --> 01:54:52.560 all up. I gotta be doing something. 1845 01:54:54.159 --> 01:54:56.680 So just just to just to make sure I'm understanding 1846 01:54:56.720 --> 01:54:59.000 this correctly, you're about to volunteer to take care of 1847 01:54:59.079 --> 01:55:00.119 the church's wood. 1848 01:55:01.119 --> 01:55:09.560 The wood paneling, and the pews. I reiterate that. I 1849 01:55:09.680 --> 01:55:11.680 mean I know that they you know, there's people that 1850 01:55:11.800 --> 01:55:13.560 come in and clean and everything, but I don't think 1851 01:55:13.600 --> 01:55:17.399 anybody is actually, you know, taking care of all the 1852 01:55:17.479 --> 01:55:19.840 furniture or the wood paneling. 1853 01:55:20.000 --> 01:55:23.239 So sure they clean, but they are not Aggie clean. 1854 01:55:24.279 --> 01:55:27.359 Well, no, it's not that I'm cleaning. I'm conditioning it, 1855 01:55:27.960 --> 01:55:31.399 you know,

reviving it, make it pretty mm hmm. 1856 01:55:33.159 --> 01:55:33.359 Yeah. 1857 01:55:34.199 --> 01:55:38.800 I always got to be doing that. It's a mania 1858 01:55:38.920 --> 01:55:39.159 with me. 1859 01:55:41.680 --> 01:55:47.159 You haven't found any yard sales scores that you've needed to. 1860 01:55:48.840 --> 01:55:49.600 I got one today. 1861 01:55:52.279 --> 01:55:56.279 Now the church gets put on hold, but no, the 1862 01:55:56.399 --> 01:55:57.279 church comes first. 1863 01:55:57.359 --> 01:55:57.520 You know. 1864 01:55:57.880 --> 01:56:01.279 I just figured this gives me like community hours as 1865 01:56:01.359 --> 01:56:05.439 well with with the with the church and everything. But no, 1866 01:56:05.640 --> 01:56:08.920 I don't listen to creed in church. I recite the 1867 01:56:09.039 --> 01:56:11.520 Creed in church. There's a difference. 1868 01:56:13.159 --> 01:56:13.560 Are you sure? 1869 01:56:16.319 --> 01:56:19.720 There isn't my church, not anybody else's. 1870 01:56:23.680 --> 01:56:28.600 Yeah, it's it's it's not Creed. It's the call. 1871 01:56:31.159 --> 01:56:34.640 Casting crowns to me. Meck oh see, Now I'm going 1872 01:56:34.680 --> 01:56:37.520 to pull out all my my faith rock. 1873 01:56:40.119 --> 01:56:42.560 I have a lot of it because I've actually done 1874 01:56:42.640 --> 01:56:43.399 covers of most of. 1875 01:56:43.439 --> 01:56:46.960 Them, and MD you get this probably some of you 1876 01:56:47.000 --> 01:56:49.359 out there, you're like obsequious every man and a few others. 1877 01:56:49.439 --> 01:56:53.359 But when I made that call joke, they actually decided 1878 01:56:53.479 --> 01:56:55.920 not to build themselves as a Christian rock so that 1879 01:56:55.960 --> 01:56:58.279 way they could get wider play. But all of their 1880 01:56:58.359 --> 01:57:02.239 music is absolutely heavily referenced. 1881 01:57:04.800 --> 01:57:05.640 That's very cool. 1882 01:57:06.600 --> 01:57:10.560 And now that and now that you're if you're familiar 1883 01:57:10.600 --> 01:57:12.720 with the songs, are going to start thinking about it 1884 01:57:12.800 --> 01:57:15.319 and thinking about them in another light. If you haven't yet, 1885 01:57:16.680 --> 01:57:21.399 you especially the I Still Believe from the Lost Boys. 1886 01:57:26.880 --> 01:57:31.119 Nice. Yes, all right, So Aggie, where can folks find you? 1887 01:57:31.159 --> 01:57:32.439 Because we are coming up to the end. 1888 01:57:35.159 --> 01:57:39.319 You can find me at Agie VECN and Agie the barkeep. 1889 01:57:39.399 --> 01:57:42.760 Those are over on x like right here on x 1890 01:57:44.239 --> 01:57:47.680 A thirty pm Eastern Tuesday nights. Doing the cocktail lounge 1891 01:57:47.760 --> 01:57:51.159 with Brad Slager a thirty pm Eastern Friday nights. And 1892 01:57:51.239 --> 01:57:55.920 he says, she said, with Rick, you and we are 1893 01:57:56.039 --> 01:57:59.960 getting together this coming week, right, It's toxic Masculinity. 1894 01:58:00.840 --> 01:58:01.600 Is coming Wednesday. 1895 01:58:02.039 --> 01:58:04.600 Yeah, Wednesday, eight pm. You'll find me there with a 1896 01:58:04.680 --> 01:58:07.800 drink for the evening. And Jeff and I do spirited 1897 01:58:07.840 --> 01:58:09.960 books on the first Monday of every month at a 1898 01:58:10.079 --> 01:58:15.159 thirty pm Eastern So yeah, okay. 1899 01:58:15.279 --> 01:58:17.039 So I have to point this out real quick because 1900 01:58:17.039 --> 01:58:18.680 I didn't realize it that I had done it. This 1901 01:58:18.840 --> 01:58:21.960 is how ingrained this joke now is with me. I 1902 01:58:22.079 --> 01:58:24.800 received a message from somebody today to be expecting a package, 1903 01:58:24.920 --> 01:58:28.600 and then they realized later that they the wrong delivery date, 1904 01:58:28.640 --> 01:58:30.760 so it'll be next week something probably when it gets here. 1905 01:58:31.199 --> 01:58:33.680 And without even realizing when I when I was done, 1906 01:58:33.720 --> 01:58:35.520 I was like, uh, no worries, I'll keep my eye 1907 01:58:35.560 --> 01:58:40.840 out for it. Not in my eyes. 1908 01:58:41.720 --> 01:58:44.119 Which one the one that works? 1909 01:58:47.319 --> 01:58:48.119 The other one's kind of. 1910 01:58:50.640 --> 01:58:51.960 To keep with the nautical theme. 1911 01:58:54.439 --> 01:58:56.920 Oh but all right, I must working folks find you? 1912 01:58:58.239 --> 01:59:01.920 Oh shit, this is my light week. Well, Whiteish you 1913 01:59:02.000 --> 01:59:04.800 can still find me as ordinance packard on Twitter. Surprisingly 1914 01:59:04.920 --> 01:59:08.920 I know you can find me this week on Manorama 1915 01:59:08.960 --> 01:59:12.279 on Tuesday with Vincent Charles, probably you, Rick, hopefully Jeff 1916 01:59:12.279 --> 01:59:17.000 again someday, some Steve obviously and some random Canadian. We're 1917 01:59:17.039 --> 01:59:20.239 gonna be doing game shows this week. Wednesday you can 1918 01:59:20.279 --> 01:59:23.439 find me on Manorama with you and Aggie Wednesday later 1919 01:59:23.640 --> 01:59:29.960 you no, no, Noma, Toxic Masculinity. Sorry, don't give me, 1920 01:59:30.000 --> 01:59:31.840 don't Masculinity shows this week. 1921 01:59:32.319 --> 01:59:34.319 Don't give them our number four spots there. 1922 01:59:34.600 --> 01:59:37.560 No, No, we've got number four. They they've they've got 1923 01:59:37.640 --> 01:59:39.479 work to do. We've got work to do on the 1924 01:59:39.520 --> 01:59:43.399 other one. But still, yes, Toxic Masculinity and Manorama. I'm 1925 01:59:43.439 --> 01:59:46.119 doubling up on my masculinity this week. Later you can 1926 01:59:46.199 --> 01:59:48.399 find me. Not evening, you can find me with you again, 1927 01:59:48.520 --> 01:59:50.720 Rick On, Rick and Ordy. And that's it for me 1928 01:59:50.880 --> 01:59:52.279 this week, my light week. 1929 01:59:53.640 --> 01:59:58.239 Nice look at you all right. So tomorrow, I'm not 1930 01:59:58.319 --> 02:00:01.199 sure if there's gonna be a reading room tomorrow or. 1931 02:00:01.520 --> 02:00:03.760 Also Vincent Charles Project tomorrow. 1932 02:00:04.319 --> 02:00:04.880 Yeah, me too. 1933 02:00:05.239 --> 02:00:06.960 I'm gonna say, I thought you guys both had a 1934 02:00:07.000 --> 02:00:08.119 thing going on tomorrow, but. 1935 02:00:08.319 --> 02:00:10.239 Yes, we have the Vincent Charles Project. 1936 02:00:11.039 --> 02:00:14.439 Yeah, Corn is working on a project with Hollywood, so 1937 02:00:14.760 --> 02:00:16.359 I'm not sure if we're gonna be able to do 1938 02:00:16.439 --> 02:00:17.800 a show Tomorrow night or not, but once I know, 1939 02:00:17.920 --> 02:00:21.159 you guys will know, and then Monday night should be 1940 02:00:22.079 --> 02:00:24.600 America Off the Rails. Tuesday night, I do plan on 1941 02:00:24.840 --> 02:00:27.199 being on manor Ama since I was off last week, 1942 02:00:27.359 --> 02:00:29.720 and then all the other stuff that pretty much everybody's 1943 02:00:29.720 --> 02:00:32.640 already talked about, along with Thursday Night jen Rick, and 1944 02:00:32.680 --> 02:00:34.920 then back pushing buttons for the front board forendsic Crew 1945 02:00:34.960 --> 02:00:37.039 on Saturday. Other than that, you can find me at 1946 02:00:37.119 --> 02:00:39.640 Roddy Rick seventy three on x you can find the 1947 02:00:39.720 --> 02:00:43.479 station at Kayler Kaylar and Radio on x Rumble, YouTube, 1948 02:00:43.520 --> 02:00:46.720 and facebooks. And you can also find me as a 1949 02:00:46.720 --> 02:00:49.560 contributor on Twitter dot com, It's Fitspolitics dot com and 1950 02:00:49.680 --> 02:00:52.159 the Lofts Party dot com. I also produced that podcast 1951 02:00:52.199 --> 02:00:56.199 and it drops on Tuesdays. I think that's it And 1952 02:00:56.319 --> 02:00:59.520 if that's not enough, then that's all I'm doing right now. 1953 02:01:01.159 --> 02:01:01.920 That's all you get. 1954 02:01:02.840 --> 02:01:08.279 Bye, everybody, Thanks for hanging out with us. No healing 1955 02:01:08.359 --> 02:01:10.159 of the hydro fan, this discussion. 1956 02:01:13.720 --> 02:01:17.800 Cream Man, that test that. 1957 02:01:19.279 --> 02:01:20.640 Read full. 1958 02:01:22.560 --> 02:01:34.319 Out of side government shadows Secretstine conspiracy, unful Welslee traging councils. 1959 02:01:34.439 --> 02:01:40.399 Unexplain to this out that holy shame man, my mother's 1960 02:01:40.720 --> 02:01:45.000 loss fall unlevel history story, untold 1961 02:01:47.960 --> 02:01:50.760 Areas fifty one Wisdom