Full Transcript for Blindsided Author James L. Ferraro Joins Jim Paris Live

Castillo and uh, the son was born with 76 00:04:19.079 --> 00:04:22.680 no eyes and she was sprayed by a fung aside 77 00:04:22.680 --> 00:04:25.240 made by Dupon And you know, I kind of like, 78 00:04:26.120 --> 00:04:30.199 you know, you hear all kinds of things, and he's 79 00:04:30.199 --> 00:04:33.279 a good friend. So I said, okay, I'll sit down 80 00:04:33.279 --> 00:04:36.040 and talk to her. But I didn't expect much of it. 81 00:04:36.519 --> 00:04:39.160 And even when she came in and gave me this story, initially, 82 00:04:40.759 --> 00:04:43.480 you know, it's it's it's tragic. Her son was born 83 00:04:43.519 --> 00:04:45.360 with no eyes and tell. 84 00:04:45.199 --> 00:04:47.959 Us the story of what happened to her, how she 85 00:04:48.000 --> 00:04:51.079 got sprayed. I think that's important for people to understand. 86 00:04:50.720 --> 00:04:53.319 That she was and this is it's it's it's scary 87 00:04:54.079 --> 00:04:56.279 the way it happened. Because she lives in she was 88 00:04:56.319 --> 00:04:59.279 living at the time and Nell is in New England, 89 00:04:59.319 --> 00:05:02.319 but she was living in Miami in a rural area. 90 00:05:02.399 --> 00:05:05.199 So it's now developed with condominiums and all that. It's 91 00:05:05.199 --> 00:05:09.600 on Kendall drive you out towards Crome Avenue, which at 92 00:05:09.600 --> 00:05:15.759 that time was primarily farmed at some condos. And she 93 00:05:15.839 --> 00:05:20.839 was taking a walk with her her daughter in a stroller, 94 00:05:21.399 --> 00:05:25.240 and she was pregnant, seven or eight weeks pregnant, and 95 00:05:25.879 --> 00:05:29.040 there was a farm right in her neighborhood, and she 96 00:05:29.160 --> 00:05:31.839 was walking past the farm with the stroller on the 97 00:05:31.879 --> 00:05:35.360 opposite side of the street. And it was a windy day. 98 00:05:36.399 --> 00:05:38.920 It was like November one and November two of nineteen 99 00:05:38.959 --> 00:05:43.319 eighty nine, and there's a tractor with a big thirty 100 00:05:43.360 --> 00:05:47.560 six foot wingspan with its sprayers on, and it looked 101 00:05:47.600 --> 00:05:49.600 like it was stuck in mud. The tractor was like 102 00:05:49.639 --> 00:05:52.439 bucking and jerking, so looked like the guy's probably the tractor, 103 00:05:52.879 --> 00:05:56.120 the driver's probably stuck in mud with the sprayers open 104 00:05:56.199 --> 00:05:58.680 and the wind shift and the spray got all over 105 00:05:58.680 --> 00:06:03.279 her body. And at the time they didn't think it 106 00:06:03.319 --> 00:06:07.720 was anything because it had uh it was an odorless, tasteless, 107 00:06:08.839 --> 00:06:11.720 colorless spray, so they thought it was probably just water. 108 00:06:12.639 --> 00:06:14.759 She mentioned to her husband. They talked about it, and 109 00:06:14.800 --> 00:06:20.160 she went through the obstetrician and when she spoke to them, 110 00:06:20.240 --> 00:06:22.199 you know, they figured it

was water. And it wasn't 111 00:06:22.279 --> 00:06:27.439 until later that you discovered was something far worse than water. 112 00:06:28.160 --> 00:06:31.240 And the chemical that she didn't realize she was sprayed 113 00:06:31.240 --> 00:06:35.279 with a chemical. The chemical is called beno Mill, which 114 00:06:35.319 --> 00:06:39.319 is also marketed as ben Late, and it was taken 115 00:06:39.360 --> 00:06:42.519 off the market, I guess in two thousand and one 116 00:06:42.519 --> 00:06:45.839 according to you know my reading here on this. But 117 00:06:45.959 --> 00:06:48.680 tell us what that chemical is supposed to do on 118 00:06:48.720 --> 00:06:51.399 the farm, no, less when it sprays a person. 119 00:06:51.839 --> 00:06:54.680 Yeah, what is gonna ben Late is the actual product 120 00:06:54.680 --> 00:06:58.000 to Bentermill of the active ingredient, and you know that's 121 00:06:58.079 --> 00:07:02.759 that's owned by DuPont and Dumb. It's what it is 122 00:07:02.759 --> 00:07:06.600 that the spindle poison. What it means it like it's 123 00:07:06.720 --> 00:07:11.000 it's designed to affect the cells in fungicide and the 124 00:07:11.040 --> 00:07:14.680 cells and fungicide. That means that means the fungicide is 125 00:07:14.680 --> 00:07:19.279 supposed to kill cells in the plants, humans, human cells 126 00:07:19.279 --> 00:07:22.680 has something called tubulin and soda plants and it's the 127 00:07:22.720 --> 00:07:27.120 spindle poison inhibits the production of tubulin, which in turn 128 00:07:27.160 --> 00:07:31.040 will kill the cells. It's supposed to target fungus and 129 00:07:31.079 --> 00:07:34.920 know it's a fungicide and to protect the crops. Unfortunately, 130 00:07:35.079 --> 00:07:37.480 it was it did much work. It did much worse 131 00:07:37.519 --> 00:07:40.439 than that. It was a spindle poison that effects tubulia 132 00:07:40.480 --> 00:07:44.000 in a pretty bad way and affects tubulent in cells 133 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:48.160 and humans, cells in plants, and basically tubulin anywhere. And 134 00:07:49.519 --> 00:07:53.519 it at the time that we took this case, there 135 00:07:53.600 --> 00:07:56.800 was issues with the product in another regard because it 136 00:07:56.839 --> 00:07:58.879 was killing a lot of crops. It was like, you know, 137 00:07:58.920 --> 00:08:01.240 it's just not just k funds. I was just destroying 138 00:08:01.240 --> 00:08:03.639 these crops and a lot of farmers made claims and 139 00:08:03.639 --> 00:08:06.079 at the time there's probably there's over half a billion 140 00:08:06.120 --> 00:08:09.920 dollars of claims that were paid until DuPont decided to 141 00:08:09.920 --> 00:08:13.639 dig their heels in and fight it. And then one 142 00:08:13.680 --> 00:08:16.800 came up with this health case. And when our case 143 00:08:16.839 --> 00:08:19.519 went up on a peal that their district Court of 144 00:08:19.519 --> 00:08:21.759 Appeals in Miami, they took the product off the market 145 00:08:21.759 --> 00:08:23.800 and never to be seen again. It was the number 146 00:08:23.839 --> 00:08:27.480 one selling agriculture product for DuPont in the entire world 147 00:08:27.480 --> 00:08:28.079 at the time. 148 00:08:29.360 --> 00:08:33.399 And of course this happened back I believe this was 149 00:08:33.399 --> 00:08:36.120 back before the days of what we call now today organic. 150 00:08:36.399 --> 00:08:38.240 You know, when you go to the grocery store, you 151 00:08:38.240 --> 00:08:40.039 have the regular and then you have the organic I 152 00:08:40.080 --> 00:08:43.320 don't know if that existed back then. But we're not 153 00:08:43.399 --> 00:08:45.759 talking about just for the listeners. We're not talking about 154 00:08:45.759 --> 00:08:48.759 someone that bought a tomato and ate the tomato in 155 00:08:48.759 --> 00:08:51.960 their home. We're talking about someone that was actually doused, 156 00:08:52.159 --> 00:08:55.840 was sprayed with this chemical by mistake, well just simply 157 00:08:55.840 --> 00:09:00.320 outwalking their child, and they were pregnant, and it afected 158 00:09:00.360 --> 00:09:03.360 the pregnancy. Now, did it affect the mother, the living mother, 159 00:09:03.440 --> 00:09:04.679 at any at any. 160 00:09:04.519 --> 00:09:07.720 Point, No, did not, and it was did not. It 161 00:09:09.159 --> 00:09:11.600 was known as a dermal exposure. When you get sprayed 162 00:09:11.600 --> 00:09:14.120 by a chemical or any kind of any type of spray, 163 00:09:14.639 --> 00:09:17.200 it's on your skin, it's known as a dermal exposure. 164 00:09:17.240 --> 00:09:21.559 And we basically had to take this chemical through her skin, 165 00:09:22.000 --> 00:09:25.600 through her blood to the placenta down to the embryo 166 00:09:25.759 --> 00:09:28.080 and so on and so forth, which which was quite 167 00:09:28.120 --> 00:09:30.000 a task, had never been done before. 168 00:09:31.320 --> 00:09:33.399 And we have a break coming up here, Jim, So 169 00:09:33.799 --> 00:09:36.320 before we hit the brake, I'm going to just set 170 00:09:36.320 --> 00:09:37.919 it up here. What we're going to do after the 171 00:09:37.919 --> 00:09:41.519 break is we're going to talk about what happened when 172 00:09:41.559 --> 00:09:44.600 this mother gave birth after being exposed to this chemical. 173 00:09:45.399 --> 00:09:49.919 Her child is born without eyes and this goes into litigation. 174 00:09:50.679 --> 00:09:52.159 We're going to get into all of this during the 175 00:09:52.200 --> 00:09:55.480 balance of the hour, and also also in New Zealand, 176 00:09:55.679 --> 00:09:58.759 this happened to some folks there too, and we've got 177 00:09:58.759 --> 00:10:08.799 information on that as well. More after this, stay tuned. HI, 178 00:10:08.879 --> 00:10:12.159 this is radio talk show host Jim Parris. And if 179 00:10:12.159 --> 00:10:16.440 you are like me, you hate all of those monthly bills. Well, 180 00:10:16.480

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00:14:00.120 --> 00:14:03.399 access to use your life insurance while you're alive. Get 249 00:14:03.399 --> 00:14:06.399 the free book to find out how. Call seven zero 250 00:14:06.480 --> 00:14:08.799 two six six zero seven thousand. 251 00:14:21.559 --> 00:14:24.840 You're listening to Jim Paris Live, All. 252 00:14:24.799 --> 00:14:28.639 Right, we are back. Our guest this hour is James Ferraro. 253 00:14:28.840 --> 00:14:32.399 The book is Blindsided, the story of one man's crusading 254 00:14:32.399 --> 00:14:37.759 against chemical giant DuPont for a boy born with no eyes. Wow, 255 00:14:37.960 --> 00:14:40.720 what a book, folks. This is a great books. It's 256 00:14:40.720 --> 00:14:43.120 a hardcover book you can get it an Amazon and 257 00:14:43.159 --> 00:14:45.159 if you want to find out more about their law firm, 258 00:14:45.200 --> 00:14:49.679 they handle a large number of cases. Ferrarolaw dot com. 259 00:14:49.720 --> 00:14:53.840 Ferraro Law dot com is the website. So Jim pick 260 00:14:53.919 --> 00:14:58.399 up the story. So this woman she goes to her 261 00:14:58.879 --> 00:15:02.039 her doctor. He said, everything's fine, you know, and you 262 00:15:02.120 --> 00:15:05.360 probably just got sprayed with water. They kind of dismissed this, 263 00:15:06.039 --> 00:15:09.559 and then what it was seven months later she gives 264 00:15:09.639 --> 00:15:14.000 birth and all along the way everything's fine, and then 265 00:15:14.039 --> 00:15:16.559 this is a shock that the baby has no eyes. 266 00:15:16.600 --> 00:15:17.879 Tell us about that. 267 00:15:17.720 --> 00:15:21.759 Right right, there was no abnormalities detected at any time. 268 00:15:21.840 --> 00:15:26.600 Bring the pregnancy. All systems would go because to the 269 00:15:26.639 --> 00:15:32.840 hospital and you know, she gives birth and yeah, she 270 00:15:32.879 --> 00:15:35.919 thought anything was fine. They took the baby away from her. 271 00:15:37.320 --> 00:15:39.960 She did realize immediately that the baby didn't have eyes. 272 00:15:41.080 --> 00:15:45.200 Then she thought she overheard the doctor talking. And this 273 00:15:45.240 --> 00:15:47.279 is you know, after the fact that and you know, 274 00:15:47.399 --> 00:15:49.759 then he eventually came to her and told her she 275 00:15:49.799 --> 00:15:54.360 thought you overheard them talking about his eyes and she 276 00:15:54.480 --> 00:15:57.039 just didn't it first, didn't even register when they said 277 00:15:57.080 --> 00:15:59.639 it to her, like she's like, what do you mean 278 00:16:00.159 --> 00:16:02.279 no eyes? Because people just dart and used to seeing 279 00:16:02.279 --> 00:16:05.200 people with no eyes. You see blind people and you 280 00:16:05.240 --> 00:16:08.799 hear about blind people, but generally see people no like eyeballs, 281 00:16:08.840 --> 00:16:12.559 and that's what this is. It's and you know then 282 00:16:12.639 --> 00:16:15.960 she was just like in shock at that point

and 283 00:16:17.919 --> 00:16:19.639 didn't know where to go, what to do, and didn't 284 00:16:20.039 --> 00:16:23.200 you know, didn't really realize at the time what the 285 00:16:23.240 --> 00:16:26.799 clause was. It wasn't until later that she found out 286 00:16:26.799 --> 00:16:27.639 what the cause was. 287 00:16:28.919 --> 00:16:32.960 And this is when she could only think back and 288 00:16:33.799 --> 00:16:38.720 remembered that and thought, well, wow, maybe that is why 289 00:16:38.759 --> 00:16:42.240 this happened, and that was her only connection, is that right? Right? 290 00:16:42.279 --> 00:16:45.919 What happened was she you know, the condition of having 291 00:16:45.960 --> 00:16:49.440 no eyes is called anapopthomia, and if you have very 292 00:16:49.559 --> 00:16:52.759 small like you can't see with them, a very small 293 00:16:52.799 --> 00:16:57.240 eyes or sifts, it's called microphthomia. Well, she got involved 294 00:16:57.240 --> 00:17:01.200 with a support group for parents of children that have 295 00:17:01.360 --> 00:17:04.039 this condition. There was like over one hundred people in 296 00:17:04.039 --> 00:17:06.079 above with this group. It was out of Great Britain, 297 00:17:07.039 --> 00:17:09.359 and they would just you know, help each other long, 298 00:17:09.440 --> 00:17:12.359 you know, dealing with the trials and tribulations of having 299 00:17:12.880 --> 00:17:20.000 a child with no lives. And the group was there 300 00:17:20.039 --> 00:17:23.519 was an investigation that took place by the with the 301 00:17:23.559 --> 00:17:27.319 London Observer and the BBC and this was like in 302 00:17:27.480 --> 00:17:31.559 you know, the like ninety one ninety twoish and it 303 00:17:31.759 --> 00:17:34.119 was because there was a cluster group of children were 304 00:17:34.160 --> 00:17:37.000 born with no lives, which was extremely weird and strange. 305 00:17:37.039 --> 00:17:40.640 And they started to investigate this, like what is this 306 00:17:40.720 --> 00:17:44.519 and why And it turns out that it was there 307 00:17:44.559 --> 00:17:50.400 was a product used there with the same characteristics as 308 00:17:50.440 --> 00:17:54.720 a dupap product. It's called carbondism, which is pretty much 309 00:17:54.720 --> 00:17:57.119 the same as Benemil does the same thing. And all 310 00:17:57.160 --> 00:18:00.160 these agriculture workers are a cluster in fight that the 311 00:18:00.240 --> 00:18:02.839 kids born with no lives. So then they went to 312 00:18:02.880 --> 00:18:05.440 the support group, you know, and they of these you know, 313 00:18:05.480 --> 00:18:10.000 one hundred plus families that had children no lives, and 314 00:18:10.039 --> 00:18:14.279 they would just you know, just inquire and investigate. And 315 00:18:14.319 --> 00:18:16.400 the only and that was the you know, they asked 316 00:18:16.440 --> 00:18:18.799 you ever you know, we ever sprayed by anything, and 317 00:18:18.839 --> 00:18:20.920 you know, that incident was the first thing that came 318 00:18:20.960 --> 00:18:24.759 to mind. A reporter from the London Observer made a 319 00:18:24.759 --> 00:18:29.079 call to the farm in Miami and spoke to the 320 00:18:29.119 --> 00:18:32.359 head of the farm who admitted that they were using 321 00:18:32.400 --> 00:18:36.440 bed late at that time, and uh, and that was 322 00:18:36.680 --> 00:18:39.240 how the that's how the puzzles started to get put together. 323 00:18:39.799 --> 00:18:43.559 That was the first piece and uh, you know, later 324 00:18:43.640 --> 00:18:46.279 on the uh you know, later on in discovery during 325 00:18:46.279 --> 00:18:49.200 the case, the farmer denied it, but we were able 326 00:18:49.279 --> 00:18:53.480 to prove that the call took place through cell phone records, 327 00:18:53.480 --> 00:18:57.079 and uh, you know, it was it took a year 328 00:18:57.119 --> 00:18:59.839 to go through that little process, but you know, there 329 00:18:59.839 --> 00:19:03.839 were was a nine minute call at four forty you know, 330 00:19:03.920 --> 00:19:07.720 Greenwich meantime, showed up at eleven forty am the Eastern 331 00:19:07.759 --> 00:19:11.599 standard time on the farmer's cell phone, a nine minute call, 332 00:19:11.759 --> 00:19:15.400 just like the reporter said. And initially a farmer denied 333 00:19:15.440 --> 00:19:19.000 that because his cell phone records did not show where 334 00:19:19.000 --> 00:19:20.440 the call was coming from. So we had to go 335 00:19:20.480 --> 00:19:22.440 through the Hay Convention get record. 336 00:19:22.279 --> 00:19:25.839 From Wow this so this went international. And then I 337 00:19:25.920 --> 00:19:29.119 was thinking too that if this mom had not gone 338 00:19:29.160 --> 00:19:31.279 to her doctor to ask about this, there would have 339 00:19:31.319 --> 00:19:37.559 been no record, you know, contemporaneous record of her having 340 00:19:37.599 --> 00:19:40.319 been sprayed, right right right, Yeah, that. 341 00:19:40.319 --> 00:19:42.440 Was yeah, that wasn't that wasn't even an issue that 342 00:19:42.480 --> 00:19:45.480 the event happened. But of course, you know, when you 343 00:19:45.480 --> 00:19:48.920 get into litigation, you know, everyone tries to hide the ball, 344 00:19:48.960 --> 00:19:51.039 and it was like there was you know, in the book, 345 00:19:51.079 --> 00:19:53.240 we talk about one of the big issues we had 346 00:19:53.279 --> 00:19:55.680 because later the farm fred to deny it, but we 347 00:19:55.759 --> 00:19:58.319 caught them with the cell phone records at the admission. 348 00:19:59.039 --> 00:20:01.079 But still there is a lot of chemicals out there 349 00:20:01.119 --> 00:20:04.200 might approve which one it was, and we're able to 350 00:20:04.240 --> 00:20:06.079 do that. So, I mean, we there was no question 351 00:20:06.119 --> 00:20:09.279 that the exposure happened and all that, But the harder 352 00:20:09.319 -->

00:20:12.359 part of the case really was the science itself, because 353 00:20:13.119 --> 00:20:15.559 who we're dealing with a chemical here, which is much 354 00:20:15.599 --> 00:20:19.640 different than a drug because you can't test chemicals on humans. 355 00:20:19.920 --> 00:20:21.000 And what I'm going to do is I'm going to 356 00:20:21.039 --> 00:20:23.079 ask you to hold the science to our next segment 357 00:20:23.079 --> 00:20:26.559 because this is huge. I want to talk about this 358 00:20:26.680 --> 00:20:30.119 whole idea of how you were able to deal with 359 00:20:30.160 --> 00:20:33.039 a challenge to your science as junk science. But we'll 360 00:20:33.039 --> 00:20:35.519 get into that in the next segment. But talk for 361 00:20:35.559 --> 00:20:38.599 a minute if you can, about in October of two 362 00:20:38.599 --> 00:20:41.200 thousand and eight, So now we're fast forward. This is 363 00:20:41.200 --> 00:20:44.079 not very long ago. Nine years ago. It says that 364 00:20:44.440 --> 00:20:48.200 DuPont paid confidential settlements. I'm reading from the Wikipedia page 365 00:20:48.200 --> 00:20:52.559 here about this chemical to two New Zealand families whose 366 00:20:52.640 --> 00:20:56.480 children were born with the same condition without eyes. What 367 00:20:56.519 --> 00:20:57.279 do you know about that? 368 00:20:57.759 --> 00:21:01.440 Yeah, well there was the well we ended up representing 369 00:21:01.559 --> 00:21:06.720 like over twenty families and somewhere from christ Church, New Zealand. 370 00:21:07.000 --> 00:21:10.599 And uh, what happened in New Zealand was was there 371 00:21:10.680 --> 00:21:14.720 was a two fam to two workers that worked at 372 00:21:14.759 --> 00:21:18.680 a nursery and from the same nursery they had children 373 00:21:18.759 --> 00:21:22.440 born with the condition. And uh so that that was 374 00:21:22.519 --> 00:21:25.319 part of a group that was settled, you know a 375 00:21:25.319 --> 00:21:29.359 while back. But there was uh DuPont is you know, 376 00:21:29.400 --> 00:21:33.000 they they they fought hard. I mean, they fought very hard, 377 00:21:33.279 --> 00:21:37.880 and they denied and I deny and you know, at 378 00:21:37.880 --> 00:21:40.359 the end of the day, you know, the truth came 379 00:21:40.400 --> 00:21:44.000 out and now they had to pay and they did. 380 00:21:44.759 --> 00:21:47.240 And I can only imagine. And we'll get into this 381 00:21:47.279 --> 00:21:50.480 morning the next segment. But uh, at that time that 382 00:21:50.480 --> 00:21:54.119 that you took on DuPont, how big was your firm 383 00:21:54.319 --> 00:21:56.839 and and what I mean was this a David versus 384 00:21:56.880 --> 00:22:00.920 Goliath type of a situation where you don't poke a 385 00:22:00.960 --> 00:22:02.319 bear as big as DuPont. 386 00:22:03.160 --> 00:22:06.519 Yeah, No, it was definitely a David Goliath type of situation. 387 00:22:06.839 --> 00:22:09.480 The firm, you know, had started

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Free shipping is included. 478 00:27:06.160 --> 00:27:21.680 Prepare with GCN dot com. 479 00:27:22.119 --> 00:27:24.279 You are listening to Jim Paris Live. 480 00:27:25.160 --> 00:27:27.839 All right, we are back. The book is called blind Sided, 481 00:27:27.960 --> 00:27:31.640 a true story of one man's crusade against chemical chemical 482 00:27:31.640 --> 00:27:35.359 giant DuPont for a boy born with no eyes. And 483 00:27:35.720 --> 00:27:39.160 our guest attorney, James Ferraro is with us and we 484 00:27:39.200 --> 00:27:42.799 want to thank him for interrupting his vacation on Martha's 485 00:27:42.839 --> 00:27:47.680 vineyard to do the interview. Thank you, sir, Jim. Let's 486 00:27:47.680 --> 00:27:51.160 talk about the science side of this. So if I 487 00:27:51.279 --> 00:27:55.759 understand this in your book, what you did was kind 488 00:27:55.759 --> 00:27:59.759 of sneaky but very smart. You basically said that we're 489 00:27:59.799 --> 00:28:03.759 going to use the same scientific standard that DuPont used 490 00:28:03.799 --> 00:28:08.079 themselves to get this chemical approved with the government, and 491 00:28:08.160 --> 00:28:10.880 we're going to use that same standard in court. But 492 00:28:11.039 --> 00:28:15.319 DuPont objected to that, called their own science junk science. 493 00:28:15.359 --> 00:28:16.440 Do I understand that, right? 494 00:28:16.720 --> 00:28:16.920 Yeah? 495 00:28:16.920 --> 00:28:18.359 I mean that was part of it. See, there was 496 00:28:18.400 --> 00:28:22.599 there was science from from DuPont themselves and from others 497 00:28:22.720 --> 00:28:24.880 that gets you know, when you when you put a product, 498 00:28:24.880 --> 00:28:26.240 you want to get a product in the market, like 499 00:28:26.279 --> 00:28:29.839 their bentlet product, they submit, they make submissions to the 500 00:28:29.839 --> 00:28:32.559 EPA and they hand them all as science. A lot 501 00:28:32.599 --> 00:28:34.759 of it was done by DuPont themselves, some of it 502 00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:39.720 was done by others, okay, and they submitted and ultimately 503 00:28:39.799 --> 00:28:44.440 the EPA after years, initially put a presumption against registration 504 00:28:44.519 --> 00:28:47.759 on their product as a possible danger to pregnant women, 505 00:28:48.200 --> 00:28:51.799 and DuPont kept persisting. They redid a study that they 506 00:28:51.799 --> 00:28:54.039 did in nineteen eighty that had very bad results, They 507 00:28:54.079 --> 00:28:57.519 redid the same study in eighty two with better results, 508 00:28:57.559 --> 00:29:01.519 and ultimately EPA put on the market. So now they 509 00:29:01.559 --> 00:29:06.759 file motion to exclude science and that's done. It's done 510 00:29:06.759 --> 00:29:11.839 pretty regularly in the world of litigation these days. But 511 00:29:11.880 --> 00:29:17.200 what really bothered me is that the data that they 512 00:29:17.279 --> 00:29:20.759 submit to a governmental agency to get their product licensed, 513 00:29:21.400 --> 00:29:25.240 they're now calling junk science. So what I want to do, 514 00:29:25.279 --> 00:29:27.160 and this is really why I wrote the book. The 515 00:29:27.160 --> 00:29:30.200 reason I wrote the book is I want public awareness 516 00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:33.240 on this, and I don't think that it's right that 517 00:29:33.319 --> 00:29:36.559 they can call science junk that they submit to a 518 00:29:36.599 --> 00:29:40.119 government governmental agency to get their product license. So I 519 00:29:40.119 --> 00:29:43.160 believe there should be a federal statute that is, if 520 00:29:43.200 --> 00:29:45.960 you submit whatever you submit to a governmental agency for 521 00:29:46.039 --> 00:29:49.440 licensing purposes is a mispornal court of law. You can 522 00:29:49.480 --> 00:29:51.279 call it junk science if you like, but you can 523 00:29:51.319 --> 00:29:54.279 be saying it to a jury, not to a judge, 524 00:29:54.480 --> 00:29:57.960 who may exclude it for whatever political reasons there may be, 525 00:29:58.000 --> 00:30:02.079 you know.

So it's just it's just a very unfair situation. 526 00:30:02.559 --> 00:30:05.039 So we go through all that for a week of 527 00:30:05.119 --> 00:30:09.279 hearings on that we prevailed. We prevailed on it because 528 00:30:09.319 --> 00:30:12.559 the science really is generally accepted science, aside from the 529 00:30:12.599 --> 00:30:15.799 fact that they're now calling it junk. But we had 530 00:30:15.799 --> 00:30:17.839 to do the harder part of the case was is 531 00:30:17.880 --> 00:30:22.640 that they're harder than the junk science defense is the 532 00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:28.799 mere fact then ethically you're not allowed to test chemicals 533 00:30:29.200 --> 00:30:32.599 on pregnant women because no good could come from it 534 00:30:32.680 --> 00:30:35.440 only something bad could happen, unlike drugs, or they do 535 00:30:35.519 --> 00:30:38.680 control trials on humans because it may be benefit. 536 00:30:38.799 --> 00:30:41.960 So they right, they don't say, well, well we sprayed 537 00:30:42.359 --> 00:30:45.640 a thousand pregnant women with this chemical and here are 538 00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:47.519 some of the side effects, because no one would be 539 00:30:47.799 --> 00:30:50.839 would agree to being that study A and B. There 540 00:30:50.839 --> 00:30:52.559 would be no normal use like that. 541 00:30:53.880 --> 00:30:58.160 There's no possible benefit, only a danger. So you can't 542 00:30:58.799 --> 00:31:02.039 just test danger only type of situations. You can test 543 00:31:02.599 --> 00:31:05.680 risk benefits. And that's why drugs it's okay, it may 544 00:31:05.720 --> 00:31:08.079 be bad, but it may be really good, so you're 545 00:31:08.119 --> 00:31:11.160 allowed to get humans involved with those kind of trials. 546 00:31:11.599 --> 00:31:13.880 So we had to do here is literally we went 547 00:31:13.960 --> 00:31:17.440 piece by piece from the science. We had thirteen different 548 00:31:17.480 --> 00:31:21.720 experts testify and link them all up piece by piece 549 00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:25.680 we generally accepted science. So we literally got generally accepted science. 550 00:31:25.680 --> 00:31:28.279 It shows how you you know, calculate the dose on 551 00:31:28.319 --> 00:31:31.480 someone's skin, and that's all generally accepted. Then we took 552 00:31:31.519 --> 00:31:34.519 it through the skin and how much gets through the skin, 553 00:31:35.000 --> 00:31:37.000 and you know how much what happens we gets through 554 00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:38.720 the skin. Now it's in the blood. What happens in 555 00:31:38.759 --> 00:31:41.319 the blood. What happens to the chemical, And what's the 556 00:31:41.359 --> 00:31:46.119 half life of the chemical? You know's what's the blood 557 00:31:46.160 --> 00:31:49.200 supply like and a pregnant woman, what does the percenta do? 558 00:31:49.880 --> 00:31:50.079 You know? 559 00:31:50.279 --> 00:31:53.680 So on and so forth. So essentially three percent of 560 00:31:53.720 --> 00:31:57.039 the chemical we'll get into the blood and it has 561 00:31:57.039 --> 00:31:58.880 a half life of forty five minutes, which means you 562 00:31:58.920 --> 00:32:01.559 have half as much left forty five minutes, and it 563 00:32:02.279 --> 00:32:05.680 converts to another something called heart droxy five NBC, which 564 00:32:05.720 --> 00:32:10.960 is just as dangerous. But the placenta absorbs anything. It'll 565 00:32:11.000 --> 00:32:13.839 absorb motor oil. So then what happens now when it 566 00:32:13.880 --> 00:32:17.400 gets into the fetal blood supplier or the embryonic blood supply. 567 00:32:17.960 --> 00:32:20.319 That's what we had to do that Now, the eyes 568 00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:24.839 developed in an embryo seven. The process is from seven 569 00:32:24.920 --> 00:32:28.359 to ten weeks. That's precisely during the period of time 570 00:32:28.400 --> 00:32:32.240 that Missus castile was exposed. So then what do we do? 571 00:32:32.319 --> 00:32:34.039 Then you took it all the way down to the cell. 572 00:32:34.119 --> 00:32:37.119 We took it to the cell level, and it was 573 00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:39.759 all generally accepted science. What happens at the cell level? 574 00:32:39.799 --> 00:32:41.200 How do you test it? What do you how much 575 00:32:41.200 --> 00:32:43.440 does it take to call cell death? What turns out 576 00:32:43.480 --> 00:32:46.759 it's twenty two parts per billion of this chemical causes 577 00:32:47.000 --> 00:32:50.440 cell death or apoptosis. Three parts per billion causes some 578 00:32:50.559 --> 00:32:53.559 called neo rite retraction, which means the cells can't communicate 579 00:32:54.319 --> 00:32:57.920 those things that will cause us felt malformations. So literally, 580 00:32:58.000 --> 00:33:02.240 we had to have We had geneticists, we had chemists, 581 00:33:02.559 --> 00:33:07.119 we had biologists, we had neuro opthalmologists, we had terratologist, 582 00:33:07.519 --> 00:33:12.720 developmental toxicologist, fetal pathologists, all these different experts. 583 00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:15.240 I have to ask you, if you're comfortable telling me 584 00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:19.880 how much money did your firm have to front in 585 00:33:19.920 --> 00:33:21.640 expenses for a case like this. 586 00:33:22.599 --> 00:33:25.039 It was it's in the seven figures, and it's like 587 00:33:25.200 --> 00:33:26.920 and it's like, you know, when we took the case, 588 00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:31.880 you know, we were Missus Castillo had nowhere to go. 589 00:33:32.559 --> 00:33:34.680 And that isn't the sole reason I took the case, 590 00:33:34.720 --> 00:33:37.359 because initially I wasn't going to take the case till 591 00:33:37.359 --> 00:33:41.880 we did some We did some research, and we found 592 00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:44.440 a study that was done at the University of California 593 00:33:44.440 --> 00:33:48.119 where he tested pregnant rats with this chemical. In the 594

00:33:48.240 --> 00:33:51.440 rat offspring. In that study, forty three percent of the 595 00:33:51.480 --> 00:33:56.000 rat offspring had no eyes or other ocular abnormalities. 596 00:33:56.240 --> 00:33:56.440 Wow. 597 00:33:56.480 --> 00:33:59.400 Based on that outside study. We took the case because 598 00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:03.480 in Florida, you can prove a case without actual knowledge 599 00:34:03.480 --> 00:34:06.079 of the company itself. If the state of the art 600 00:34:06.119 --> 00:34:07.920 is such that they should have known, you know, so 601 00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:10.599 they should have known standard either you knew or you 602 00:34:10.599 --> 00:34:13.679 should have known, and you know, so they you know 603 00:34:13.679 --> 00:34:16.159 in this scenario, So okay, we'll take the case because 604 00:34:16.519 --> 00:34:19.639 we have the outside knowledge that they should have known, 605 00:34:19.960 --> 00:34:22.880 even though of course you know they know. And ultimately 606 00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:25.239 we did find studies they did themselves that were not 607 00:34:25.320 --> 00:34:25.800 too good. 608 00:34:26.880 --> 00:34:29.079 Now and we don't want to lose people with all 609 00:34:29.119 --> 00:34:32.639 the science. And in the next segment, in our next segment, 610 00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:35.159 I want to talk about the family and where they're 611 00:34:35.199 --> 00:34:37.159 at today and all that. So we're going to save 612 00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:39.320 that for then, But can you give us a couple 613 00:34:39.320 --> 00:34:42.760 of anecdotes. I'm thinking, you know a lah a John 614 00:34:42.800 --> 00:34:46.559 Grisham novel, that you're up all night, you got the 615 00:34:46.599 --> 00:34:50.159 documents spread out all over your house. You you rush 616 00:34:50.199 --> 00:34:51.840 out the door in the morning to make it to 617 00:34:51.920 --> 00:34:54.880 a hearing, and all your tires are slashed or somehow 618 00:34:54.920 --> 00:34:57.800 there's there's an ambulance at each end of your street 619 00:34:57.840 --> 00:35:00.480 blocking you. Do you have a story or two like 620 00:35:00.559 --> 00:35:03.320 that where these guys played a little bit of hardball 621 00:35:03.360 --> 00:35:03.559 with you. 622 00:35:03.760 --> 00:35:06.280 Yeah, well, well we'll give you one. They you know, 623 00:35:06.320 --> 00:35:09.039 first of all, they keep their documents. They kept at 624 00:35:09.039 --> 00:35:11.039 the time they kept them is this is pre internet. 625 00:35:11.159 --> 00:35:12.719 You don't sit there in your computer and just serve 626 00:35:12.760 --> 00:35:15.000 through documents. You go there and you look through these big, 627 00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:18.119 dusty boxes. They had millions of documents in this huge 628 00:35:18.119 --> 00:35:22.000 warehouse intentionally set up so it's very difficult to find things. 629 00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:25.440 But back then, the custom when you want one law 630 00:35:25.480 --> 00:35:28.519 firm to another asked for documents. Back then, they charged 631 00:35:28.519 --> 00:35:31.719 basically ten cents a page for copies. That's generally the custom. 632 00:35:32.440 --> 00:35:35.000 I had eight thousand pages of documents that I selected 633 00:35:35.039 --> 00:35:37.400 that I needed for a very crucial hearing that could 634 00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:40.760 have tanked the entire case. And they knew, and you 635 00:35:40.760 --> 00:35:44.480 know that I needed them. Immediately, they sent me a 636 00:35:44.480 --> 00:35:47.599 bill for eighty thousand pages for a dollar per page, 637 00:35:47.599 --> 00:35:50.960 which is eighty thousand dollars. I said eight thousand dollars 638 00:35:51.320 --> 00:35:54.280 right now. I was going, you know, crazy for a 639 00:35:54.320 --> 00:35:56.239 few minutes there, and then I decided, you know what, 640 00:35:56.559 --> 00:35:58.440 that's what they want me to do. So what I 641 00:35:58.480 --> 00:36:00.519 did is I wrote a check for eight thousand dollars, 642 00:36:00.760 --> 00:36:03.559 put it in an envelope that exit to them overnight 643 00:36:04.480 --> 00:36:07.199 and said in closed be spine check for eight thousand dollars. 644 00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:10.960 Expected documents in the corn to agreement by you know, 645 00:36:11.119 --> 00:36:14.920 five pm tomorrow and that's it. And that's a that's 646 00:36:14.960 --> 00:36:18.400 the financial bomb. And then you know there were you know, 647 00:36:18.519 --> 00:36:21.599 from other sources. I was told that they were every 648 00:36:21.960 --> 00:36:25.199 year during this ligation. They were checking my taxi terms 649 00:36:25.239 --> 00:36:28.400 to see if Jim was still able to hang with them, 650 00:36:28.599 --> 00:36:30.679 and ultimately. 651 00:36:32.039 --> 00:36:35.079 So they were running reconnaissance on your personal finances to 652 00:36:35.159 --> 00:36:39.840 see if you were able to continue to write to 653 00:36:40.199 --> 00:36:42.599 handle the financial burden of it all. All right, when 654 00:36:42.599 --> 00:36:44.719 we come back, we're going to talk about how long 655 00:36:44.760 --> 00:36:47.320 this case took, how many years did it go into 656 00:36:47.599 --> 00:36:50.719 the appellate level, what happened to this family or how 657 00:36:50.719 --> 00:36:53.599 are they doing today, and maybe a little bit more 658 00:36:53.599 --> 00:36:55.719 insight on what might be in the movie if this 659 00:36:55.800 --> 00:36:58.559 does become a movie. All that and more. Stay tuned, 660 00:36:58.559 --> 00:37:09.519 we'll be back. 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that's actually a separate law firm. It's called Kelly 733 00:41:39.239 --> 00:41:39.840 in Ferraro. 734 00:41:40.400 --> 00:41:43.000 Okay, very good, because we have a lot of listeners 735 00:41:43.000 --> 00:41:45.960 and followers in Cleveland. Is it in Cleveland? 736 00:41:46.280 --> 00:41:48.599 It is? It's in Cleveland. And you was the firm 737 00:41:48.679 --> 00:41:51.599 started in nineteen ninety seven. Twenty is actually twenty years 738 00:41:51.639 --> 00:41:53.000 old in June. 739 00:41:53.360 --> 00:41:56.960 Okay, very very good. And I love this. I love 740 00:41:57.039 --> 00:42:00.360 this whole story. You're helping this, this this mo co out, 741 00:42:00.360 --> 00:42:03.440 this this family. They have no money to go up 742 00:42:03.480 --> 00:42:08.480 against DuPont. Clearly David and Goliath story. Have you seen, 743 00:42:08.559 --> 00:42:15.679 by the way that the the Amazon Goliath movie, It 744 00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:19.239 might it might bring back some scary memories a similar 745 00:42:19.320 --> 00:42:23.840 kind of a situation. Billy Bob Thornton is the attorney there. 746 00:42:24.079 --> 00:42:28.079 He's actually a sort of an alcoholic living out of 747 00:42:28.119 --> 00:42:32.400 like a rundown hotel and takes on a big corporation. 748 00:42:32.599 --> 00:42:36.239 So so I'm sure you weren't quite those diary of circumstances. 749 00:42:36.440 --> 00:42:39.519 But some of our listeners are emailing me questions and 750 00:42:39.599 --> 00:42:41.840 I want to get to all these but somebody wants 751 00:42:41.920 --> 00:42:43.119 to know, and I think, and I was going to 752 00:42:43.159 --> 00:42:46.199 get to this anyway, but how long did this case take? 753 00:42:46.239 --> 00:42:49.199 And you've mentioned a Pellett a couple of times, so 754 00:42:49.280 --> 00:42:53.159 I'm assuming at the end of the the nineteen ninety 755 00:42:53.199 --> 00:42:56.440 six jury award it says here was four million. I'm 756 00:42:56.480 --> 00:42:59.760 reading from Wikipedia hoping this is right, and I'm assuming 757 00:42:59.800 --> 00:43:02.639 they peeled that. How long did that go? And how 758 00:43:02.719 --> 00:43:04.159 much money did you ultimately get? 759 00:43:04.159 --> 00:43:05.920 If you can tell us for this time it was 760 00:43:05.960 --> 00:43:08.599 like yeah, with interest in all that was like it 761 00:43:08.639 --> 00:43:12.039 was just under seven million on that case. But from 762 00:43:12.079 --> 00:43:14.360 the day Donica still walked in my office in June 763 00:43:14.400 --> 00:43:17.360 of nineteen ninety three, it was ten years and one 764 00:43:17.400 --> 00:43:20.639 month later when we got word from the Florida Supreme 765 00:43:20.639 --> 00:43:23.639 Court what happened on appeals. We went up, we went 766 00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:28.920 to the Intermediate Pella Court, or they did, and they 767 00:43:29.039 --> 00:43:31.400 basically came in with half of Washington d C. And 768 00:43:31.480 --> 00:43:34.199 then the Kirkland Analysts. They had the top guy at 769 00:43:34.239 --> 00:43:37.840 Kirkland Analysis, the number three chair oral argument from them 770 00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:40.480 was the ex Chief Justice of the Florida Supreme Court, 771 00:43:41.239 --> 00:43:44.719 and they drew a really good panel, and it's a crap, 772 00:43:44.840 --> 00:43:47.159 you know, it's a crap you get three out of nine, 773 00:43:47.519 --> 00:43:50.719 and the three that they got were very good for them, 774 00:43:51.079 --> 00:43:57.199 and they they reversed the verdict. So now we basically 775 00:43:57.239 --> 00:44:01.840 have a one in seventy five to one one hundred 776 00:44:01.920 --> 00:44:04.000 chance of getting the Supreme Court of Florida to take 777 00:44:04.039 --> 00:44:07.599 the case. And I was just so deeply into it 778 00:44:07.639 --> 00:44:11.199 emotionally and financially and believed in the case because I 779 00:44:11.239 --> 00:44:14.280 knew we were right. We were definitely right. So we 780 00:44:14.320 --> 00:44:16.280 took a shot to get to the Florida Supreme Court 781 00:44:16.320 --> 00:44:20.119 and they took jurisdiction, and then we argued the case 782 00:44:20.119 --> 00:44:23.519 at the Florida Supreme Court and they wrote a forty 783 00:44:23.519 --> 00:44:28.239 page opinion reinstating the verdict. And that is still the 784 00:44:28.320 --> 00:44:31.280 law on Florida's been the law Florida on science. 785 00:44:31.079 --> 00:44:37.079 For you know, Castile versus Dumont, DuPont, Castillo versus DuPont, 786 00:44:37.119 --> 00:44:41.079 and that's a landmark case and every lawyer wants to 787 00:44:41.119 --> 00:44:43.360 have that quotable case, and you have that case. Maybe 788 00:44:43.400 --> 00:44:45.840 more than that that case, but that's certainly the one 789 00:44:46.199 --> 00:44:50.639 that people will associate with your career. Right now, as 790 00:44:50.719 --> 00:44:54.480 far as the family today, people are emailing men like crazy. 791 00:44:54.559 --> 00:44:58.679 So if I'm understanding this right, this boy would be 792 00:44:58.760 --> 00:45:01.679 ten years old right when the money finally comes out 793 00:45:01.719 --> 00:45:02.320 to the family. 794 00:45:03.599 --> 00:45:06.159 No, he was six years old at the time of trial. 795 00:45:06.280 --> 00:45:09.159 So by the time the money came in, it was 796 00:45:09.679 --> 00:45:13.000 well he was actually when the that temtory he was six. 797 00:45:13.079 --> 00:45:15.960 He'd have been thirteen at the time that the uh 798 00:45:16.519 --> 00:45:19.000 that the money came in. In the in the the 799 00:45:19.119 --> 00:45:21.360 idea was they wanted to go to Perkins School for 800 00:45:21.440 --> 00:45:25.400 the Blind, and that's exactly where he went. And you know, 801 00:45:25.400 --> 00:45:28.360 I have to respect the privacy of the family, but 802 00:45:28.679 --> 00:45:33.440 I can say that Johnny is very very good with music. 803

00:45:34.079 --> 00:45:38.760 He's you know, he's he's developed his other senses to 804 00:45:38.840 --> 00:45:42.280 the max, and he's doing extremely well in the as 805 00:45:42.320 --> 00:45:45.639 a musician, you know. And in the in the family 806 00:45:45.840 --> 00:45:49.199 just relocated. They left, they left Miami after that and 807 00:45:49.559 --> 00:45:54.119 they relocated to New England. And the family's don't fine. 808 00:45:54.320 --> 00:45:57.639 Wow, And I bet, I bet you get quite a 809 00:45:57.679 --> 00:46:00.400 few invitations to sit down at I think giving her 810 00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:01.840 Christmas dinner with those folks. 811 00:46:02.320 --> 00:46:04.119 Yeah, you know what it's like. I look at myself 812 00:46:04.159 --> 00:46:08.119 though really, as you know, it's like you want to 813 00:46:08.119 --> 00:46:11.880 respect their their lives and you want to you want to. 814 00:46:12.280 --> 00:46:14.159 That's like if I'm a surgeon and I to operate 815 00:46:14.159 --> 00:46:16.559 on you, I take care of it and you go on. 816 00:46:16.920 --> 00:46:18.719 And that's you got to let them live. And they're 817 00:46:18.760 --> 00:46:22.679 they're they're they're very happy. You know. The saddest thing 818 00:46:22.679 --> 00:46:26.679 about it is is if we can't bring his eyes back, 819 00:46:26.760 --> 00:46:29.039 you can't bry him eyes. And that's the saddest thing 820 00:46:29.079 --> 00:46:32.159 about it. And all the law can do is compensate 821 00:46:32.199 --> 00:46:35.000 and make life as good as you possibly can under 822 00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:36.679 very dire circumstances. 823 00:46:36.760 --> 00:46:38.760 Well, and this is what lawyers go to law school for, 824 00:46:38.880 --> 00:46:41.679 to be able to do something good and help people. Now, 825 00:46:41.840 --> 00:46:45.119 for those people that don't understand what's going on here, 826 00:46:45.159 --> 00:46:47.320 I want to sort of step back a little bit. 827 00:46:47.920 --> 00:46:52.159 Seven million dollars is nothing to a company like DuPont. So, 828 00:46:52.159 --> 00:46:55.960 so when they bring in an army of lawyers, is 829 00:46:56.280 --> 00:46:59.519 is it right in assuming they're trying to stop you 830 00:46:59.559 --> 00:47:03.159 from proof something that could in essence, let the horses 831 00:47:03.159 --> 00:47:05.320 out of the barn for a lot of other people. 832 00:47:05.639 --> 00:47:08.320 Right, Well, that's where they look at it, and and 833 00:47:08.480 --> 00:47:11.039 that's why they just was, you know, spent untold amounts 834 00:47:11.039 --> 00:47:13.960 of money to stop it. Now at the trial, we 835 00:47:14.079 --> 00:47:17.519 act we actually asked for twenty five million, and five 836 00:47:17.599 --> 00:47:20.880 of the six jurors on our six panel, six member 837 00:47:20.960 --> 00:47:23.280 jury was going to give it to us. And we 838 00:47:23.320 --> 00:47:26.559 had there was one juror that we did not particularly 839 00:47:26.639 --> 00:47:29.519 like that we were stuck with. We couldn't get them 840 00:47:29.559 --> 00:47:32.320 bounced out for cause, and he was on the panel 841 00:47:32.320 --> 00:47:34.639 and didn't want to be there. So we had this 842 00:47:34.679 --> 00:47:37.280 holdout jury. The jury's out for two days and they 843 00:47:37.360 --> 00:47:41.719 compromised and but you know, dup On interviewed the jury 844 00:47:42.320 --> 00:47:45.360 and and five of the six were going to do 845 00:47:45.400 --> 00:47:47.719 the twenty five million, which would have been huge at 846 00:47:47.719 --> 00:47:49.679 the time. This is back in the nineties. That would 847 00:47:49.679 --> 00:47:52.880 have that would have been a huge verk. But the 848 00:47:52.960 --> 00:47:56.519 good thing about seven million, it was enough for the 849 00:47:56.559 --> 00:47:59.320 family to get what they needed for their son, and 850 00:47:59.360 --> 00:48:02.679 that was the most born thing. And uh, you know, 851 00:48:02.760 --> 00:48:04.880 we're very pleased about that. The hardest part of the 852 00:48:04.920 --> 00:48:08.559 case with the liability was because of the science cans 853 00:48:08.559 --> 00:48:10.719 have never been a verdict against the Camal company for 854 00:48:10.800 --> 00:48:15.039 a birth defect before, and you know, it was. 855 00:48:15.800 --> 00:48:18.199 Monument as we as we run out of time here, 856 00:48:18.199 --> 00:48:20.559 I wanted to talk just briefly about the idea of 857 00:48:20.599 --> 00:48:24.159 there being a movie. So, so, what what do you 858 00:48:24.159 --> 00:48:27.480 think here about James Kahn playing you. I'm looking at 859 00:48:27.480 --> 00:48:30.119 your picture and I got a picture of James conn 860 00:48:30.159 --> 00:48:32.840 and I'm like, James Kahn is Jim. 861 00:48:34.480 --> 00:48:36.360 That could be a good fit. And I mean, it's 862 00:48:36.360 --> 00:48:38.079 definitely going to be a movie. I mean, we already 863 00:48:38.320 --> 00:48:40.960 pretty much know that. There's so much interest in it. 864 00:48:40.960 --> 00:48:44.039 It's going to be like, uh, a civil action or 865 00:48:44.079 --> 00:48:47.440 Aaron Brockovich on steroids. It's it's it's a it's a 866 00:48:47.920 --> 00:48:50.960 it's a it's Those are very interesting stories, don't don't 867 00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:53.719 get me wrong, But this is much more interesting when 868 00:48:53.760 --> 00:48:56.320 you get into the what happened in this case and 869 00:48:56.400 --> 00:48:59.199 what's in the book. I mean, people, most people can't 870 00:48:59.199 --> 00:49:01.679 put the book now. Bit it has been getting great reviews. 871 00:49:01.719 --> 00:49:03.559 It's on the best by the way, made the best 872 00:49:03.559 --> 00:49:07.199 seller list this week USA today and it jumped up 873 00:49:07.199 --> 00:49:10.280 and they put they listened on and fifty online in 874 00:49:10.400 --> 00:49:13.239 fifty in the

newspaper. It jumped in at forty five 875 00:49:13.360 --> 00:49:13.920 this week. 876 00:49:14.519 --> 00:49:16.639 And you know how I heard about this. I actually 877 00:49:16.639 --> 00:49:21.280 heard like a radio interview for radio ad a radio 878 00:49:21.320 --> 00:49:24.480 advertisement about the book. And I thought, wow, I've never 879 00:49:24.599 --> 00:49:26.719 really heard about this book. Why why isn't this book 880 00:49:26.719 --> 00:49:29.920 any more traction? And then I said to my producer, 881 00:49:29.960 --> 00:49:32.400 I said, let's get a book. Let's let's book this. 882 00:49:32.400 --> 00:49:35.559 This sounds really fascinating and uh, and we booked it. 883 00:49:35.639 --> 00:49:38.320 But I mean, have you been doing like TV, the 884 00:49:38.400 --> 00:49:41.480 TV circuit or any of those big shows we've got. 885 00:49:41.519 --> 00:49:45.159 Yeah, we've got all these requests and the you know, 886 00:49:45.199 --> 00:49:46.840 so we're gonna start We're starting to do that now. 887 00:49:46.880 --> 00:49:49.239 So let's go to LA for a couple and you know, 888 00:49:49.280 --> 00:49:52.559 we've got we've got a whole slew of things lined up. 889 00:49:52.880 --> 00:49:55.039 And that was before it hit the best seller list. 890 00:49:55.079 --> 00:49:57.559 It just hit this. It just hit let's this this 891 00:49:57.599 --> 00:50:01.400 past Wednesday on USA Today. So we're really pleased by 892 00:50:01.440 --> 00:50:04.239 that because it jumped right in a forty five and 893 00:50:04.800 --> 00:50:06.199 the reviews are all great. 894 00:50:06.599 --> 00:50:09.599 And and I should mention too, your your your co 895 00:50:09.679 --> 00:50:12.559 author that you work with, Laura Morton. She's a New 896 00:50:12.639 --> 00:50:16.960 York Times best selling author herself. Isn't that right? And 897 00:50:17.320 --> 00:50:19.559 the book is so well written. It's it's sort of 898 00:50:20.079 --> 00:50:23.880 it's it's it's like your life story mixed in with 899 00:50:23.960 --> 00:50:27.199 the story of this case, and it really, it really 900 00:50:27.199 --> 00:50:31.360 brings you into the moment, page by page. So I 901 00:50:31.400 --> 00:50:34.000 want to say I wanted to say it reads like 902 00:50:34.079 --> 00:50:36.440 a novel, but I don't want to take away from 903 00:50:36.480 --> 00:50:39.239 the fact that it's all based on what really happened. 904 00:50:39.280 --> 00:50:42.400 When I say it reads like a novel, it's descriptive 905 00:50:42.519 --> 00:50:45.800 and interesting to read. Unlike a lot of say books 906 00:50:45.840 --> 00:50:48.480 that are just factual. This is a book that's it's 907 00:50:48.519 --> 00:50:50.480 a it's a story that comes to life, I guess 908 00:50:50.519 --> 00:50:52.199 would be the best way to say it. 909 00:50:52.280 --> 00:50:54.599 Yeah, it's true. I mean, it's the I mean the 910 00:50:54.760 --> 00:50:58.079 I mean, I just get comments every day, all positive. 911 00:50:58.119 --> 00:51:00.360 I can't put the book down. I mean, this is 912 00:51:00.360 --> 00:51:03.119 an amazing story you've got. 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