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What's up everyone and welcome to another episode of the
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Epstein Chronicles. In this episode we're picking up where he
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left off with Ghislaine Maxwell and her transcript from her
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trip to Congress. And Representative Timmons is now asking the questions.
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Madam Secretary, William Timmons from South Carolina, thanks for being
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here today. Throughout the deposition you've seemed to be a
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bit incredulous, indignant about being here. Do you think it's
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inappropriate it seems? I guess I just want to highlight
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all of the reasons that I see you being here
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and ask you if you don't think that justifies your presence.
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I mean, so we started out this deposition by asking
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you about a number of individuals, 50 plus individuals, and
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the specific question was whether you had spoken to them
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regarding Jeffrey Epstein or Ghislaine Maxwell. So I'm going to
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highlight four and I'm going to tell you why we
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asked you about them. So do you know Senator Bob Kerry? Answer,
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I do know Senator Kerry. Question, okay. And was he
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not the chair of the Democrat Senatorial Committee when you
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got elected to the Senate? Answer, I thought it was
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Bob Torselli, but I could be wrong. Question, okay, well,
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he was the chair of the DSCC for the eight
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years prior to you getting there. He'd left office when
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you got sworn in, but obviously there's a lot of overlap.
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He's a prominent member. He resigned in disgrace because of
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his association with Jeffrey Epstein. So there's a community of property.
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He's in your orbit. He had to resign. Next person
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is Casey Wasserman. Lawyer jumps in. Excuse me, Mr. Timmons
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jumps in. Yeah. Question. Was Bob Carey one of the
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names that was listed? Senator Timmons or Representative Timmons. Excuse me.
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Bob Carey was. Clinton jumps in. He wasn't listed in
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the original list that the council read. Lawyer for Clinton.
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The list was shared with the witness. I don't see
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the name. Timmons. My apologies. He was not
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listed. If
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he was not listed. I was just seeking that clarification.
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Casey Wasserman, do you know Casey Wasserman? Clinton, I do. Question, okay.
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And do you know he was a former trustee of
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the Clinton Foundation? Answer, I don't know. He wasn't during
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the time I was involved. Question, okay. Well, it's alleged
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that he was a former trustee of the Clinton Foundation
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and that he also had to resign in disgrace from
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his company. And obviously, there's an association there. Do you
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know Larry Summers? Answer, I do know Larry Summers. Question, okay.
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And he was obviously former Treasury Secretary, campaign advisor. Apparently,
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he didn't give you good advice. But y'all obviously have
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a long-standing relationship. He was forced to resign in disgrace
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because of his association with Jeffrey Epstein. Answer, yeah, but
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I never talked to these people about. She gets cut
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off by Representative Timmons. I understand. But you understand you
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are Secretary of State. You are the First Lady. And
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you are a United States Senator. And you have all
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this power and influence. and all these connections. And when
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there is just this enormous amount of smoke that I'm
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going to go over, it's appropriate for us to then
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ask you questions, because we're trying to get to the
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bottom of this, to make sure it doesn't happen again,
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and to hold people accountable. It might not be you. Answer,
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but all of the people you just read, it seems
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to me, should have been ahead of me being subpoenaed,
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then me, but that's okay, I'm here, and I want
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to keep plowing forward. Question, do you know George Mitchell? Answer,
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I of course knew George Mitchell. Question, okay, obviously, he
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also had to resign in disgrace. That was the purpose
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of the people that we're trying to get your association with.
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So obviously, I'm not going to go over this too
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much in length, but I've been in Congress for seven years,
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and I've only been in the White House, I don't know,
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a dozen times. Jeffrey Epstein doesn't even live in D.C.,
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and he went to the White House 17 times in
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two years. So that causes us to wonder, what's going
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on there? Obviously, President Clinton flew on the Lolita Express
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over two dozen times. That gives us more questions. He's
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your husband, so we're just curious about all these things.
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And that's the purpose of this. You say the fact
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that Jeffrey Epstein donated $ 20, 000 to the Joint Fundraising Committee,
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you were not allowed to solicit that. But it's record
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of who gave money. And so you would if somebody
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gave $ 20, 000 to my JFC. I would know eventually, and
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I'd say thank you. You never thanked him for his contribution?
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Answer not that I'm aware of. First time I knew
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about it was when I was preparing for this testimony. Question,
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obviously all the members of Congress have to deal with fundraising.
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It's probably the worst part of the job. But generally speaking,
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when people give you a large amount of money, you
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say thank you. So think again. Clinton, he didn't give
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it to me. They gave it to the joint committee. Timmons,
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the JFC has disclosure requirements and you'd be able to
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tell it was for your behalf to get you elected.
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Clinton's lawyer jumps in. Please let the witness finish. Clinton,
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it's okay. Lawyer, you're cutting her off. Clinton, I've told
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you all I know, which is that I did not know. Question,
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there's dozens of pieces of information that create a pattern.
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And you're here because that pattern causes us to have
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questions to understand. Clinton, well, what are your questions? Did
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I know anything about the crimes? I've told you, no,
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I did not. Did I know anything about her crimes? No,
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I did not. Was I in a position of responsibility
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to investigate those crimes? No, I was not. Question, again,
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there's a pattern. You gave the best line of the deposition, patterns.
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Lawyers look at patterns to try to
assess veracity and
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classify information to understand truth. And so we're here trying
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to seek truth. And we appreciate you being here. But
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it's appropriate for us to ask you questions about all
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these things. Jeffrey Epstein, use the Clinton. She cuts them off.
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And you have been all day. And I'll try to
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the best of my ability to keep answering them. Question,
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trust me. Your husband's going to have a much worse
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day tomorrow. The Clinton Global Initiative... was used in the plea.
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Jeffrey Epstein's lawyers used Epstein's role in facilitating the Clinton
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Global Initiative to justify his plea deal. That was entered
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into evidence earlier. Obviously, Ghislaine Maxwell has alleged that this
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is part of one of her successes to facilitate setting
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it up. And there's been reports that a million dollars
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was wired for the launch party. So there's just all
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this data, all these different pieces of information that come
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together that cause us to be here. And so I mean,
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we've obviously discussed the fact that Ghislaine Maxwell was at
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your daughter's wedding, which again is not indicative of anything.
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But when you take all of this and you put
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it together and you look at it holistically, it causes
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us to have these questions. So given all of that
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information that I just went over and what we've gone
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over today, do you understand why you're here? And do
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you think it's appropriate for us to ask questions of
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someone that's in such a position of authority and has
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all of this smoke? I mean, maybe there's no fire
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with you, But in order for us to get to
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the bottom of it, the American people want transparency and accountability.
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So I mean, do you understand why we are doing this?
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Or do you think it's just a waste of time? Answer,
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you'll have to determine whether this is or isn't a
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waste of time. But you make all these assumptions. I
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don't believe anything Jeffrey Epstein says. So whatever he said,
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I would discount completely. I don't believe very much of
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what Ghislaine Maxwell said in the very first exhibit you
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gave me was what she told Todd Blanche, so it's
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your job to figure out what is and isn't true,
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but more importantly, what's relevant to your investigation. Question what's
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relevant to our investigation is the people at the highest
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levels of government were involved in a sex trafficking ring. Answer,
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I was not involved at all, and I resent you
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even connecting those two points. Question. You're here to help
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us get to the bottom of it. Answer. I'm doing
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my very best. Question. Well, you've tried to avoid it
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for six months. Lawyer jumps in. Let her answer fully
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the question, and then you can ask. Answer. I've been
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doing all I can. How can I answer questions about
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a person that I don't believe I've ever even met?
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Although maybe I was in the same room once, who
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gave money to a joint funding committee that I had
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no knowledge of. I'm doing my best. I can answer
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your questions. Question. I appreciate that. Again, pattern is what
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we're following. And I think we're going to have a
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lot more questions for the president tomorrow. Thank you. Next
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speaker is Mr. McGuire. Representative McGuire from Virginia. Madam Secretary,
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thank you for being here today. I thank the American people.
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I represent Virginia's 5th District, the Commonwealth of Virginia. In
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the whole United States, we all want transparent accountability. And
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I would imagine you want the same thing. Is that right?
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Human trafficking, rape, torture... These things are unspeakable evil. Would
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you agree with that? Clinton, I would. Answer. Or question.
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I was a Navy SEAL veteran during the time your
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husband was in the presidency and we did a lot
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of missions to go against the cartels and go after
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human traffickers and people who did all these unspeakable things.
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Question for you. Have you read the released Epstein files? Answer.
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I've read excerpts as they've come to my attention. Question.
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Would you agree that there are unspeakable acts of violence
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against women, minors, and other people in there? Answer, I'm
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told so. Question, and just curious, what your knowledge is.
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How many Epstein filed documents were released during the four
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years of the Biden administration? Answer, I don't have information
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about that. Question, so what I'm being told is zero.
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How many files do you think have been released, Epstein files,
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President Trump in his second term? Clinton, many I've been told. Question,
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I've been told over 3 million. And again, we both agree,
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we want transparency and accountability. I don't think it's a Democrat, Republican,
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or independent thing. I think it's just an American thing.
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We want accountability, and we need to have it. So
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would you agree that no one's above the law? I
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certainly would, Clinton responds. Question? Yeah, so since taking office,
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President Trump has done a lot to fight human trafficking.
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His administration secured the border in just a matter of weeks,
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and human trafficking numbers, and the rape, and all these
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unspeakable acts still exist in the world and even in
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our country, but they've gone down significantly. Now, this is
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the same bullshit that the other side's doing. You don't
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need to get up here and pump Trump's tires. Ask
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some questions. What are we doing here? And of course,
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we've been going after the cartels and human traffickers extremely
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aggressively ever since he took office in his second term.
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Congress and President Trump, we signed into law on January 2nd,
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the Trafficking Survivors Relief Act. Have you heard about that?
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So we're definitely making progress. So I heard you earlier
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say that we weren't doing anything. Question, I was talking
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about the State Department. Or answer, excuse me. Question, well,
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we work together, but I'm with you. Also, it's just
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twice I heard you say that you didn't know about
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the donation from Maxwell, and according to FEC and our research,
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you can, as a candidate, even back in the 90s,
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coordinate with JFC joint funding. Lawyer jumps in, excuse me,
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could you correct your statement? You said she didn't know
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about Maxwell. McGuire, no, no, I'm just saying she said
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that twice he couldn't. Clinton jumps in, you're talking about Epstein. McGuire,
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that's right, twice she said she couldn't communicate with JFC. Answer, well,
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that's what I was told. Question, and according to FEC,
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and the report that we did in the last couple hours,
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you could do that. Not a big deal, just letting
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you know that. All right, some questions. So, Madam Secretary,
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since you claim you never met or communicated with Mr. Epstein,
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how's it possible seeing that Mr. Epstein visited the White
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House several times, I may be repeating some of the
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other questions, several times during your husband's presidency? Answer, I object.
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Because that's speculative, Congressman, her lawyer says. I'm not advising
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her not to answer, but it's speculating. She doesn't know. Question,
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Madam Secretary. Clinton, I don't know. I don't know how
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many times he visited. I've been told, but I don't
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know for my own information or personal experience. Question. Yeah,
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apparently it was 17 times. At least there's more than
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a dozen. All right, Secretary Clinton. Did you ever ask Ms.
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Maxwell about the validity of the Epstein crimes when he
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was first accused? Answer. I don't recall any conversation with
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her about it. Question, and how well did you know her? Answer,
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not very well. Question, all right, Secretary Clinton, how do
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you feel about your husband being named in the Epstein files? Answer, well,
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I think it's something that is unfortunate, and I'm sure
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that he'll tell you that he wished he had not
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flown on Epstein's plane. So it's unfortunate in my opinion. Question,
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Secretary Clinton, did Maxwell's nephew, Mr. Alexander DeRossi, I may
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be saying the name wrong, work for your 2008 campaign? Answer,
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as I said earlier, he volunteered for my campaign. He
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did a good job. My campaign staff hired him. He
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was an excellent employee, and then he had a very
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relevant educational background and went to work at the State Department. Question,
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and Secretary Clinton, was Ms. Maxwell's nephew, Mr. Alexander DeRossi,
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hired by the State Department shortly after you became Secretary
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of State? Answer, yes he was. Question, and Secretary Clinton,
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by all accounts, at the time of his hiring... Mr.
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Alexander DeRossi had limited foreign policy experience. He was hired
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as a favor for Ms. Maxwell, wasn't he? Answer, not
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at all. I had no idea that he was related
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to her, and I have absolutely no recollection or reason
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to believe that she was involved at all. Question, well,
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the people that I represent, and I think the country
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cares about most of this whole thing, is that we
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can learn so we can prevent people committing human trafficking
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in our country, in the world. And I think that's
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what we all care about. We care about that. And then,
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how did someone with such egregious behavior penetrate the highest
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levels of government? Are the world leaders compromised? Are American
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politicians compromised? As you read the Epstein files and you
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read the reports, overwhelmingly, Epstein donated more to Democrats by
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far than he did Republicans. You served as Secretary of
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State from 2009 to 2013, is that correct? Answer, that's correct. Question,
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the State Department in the United States leads the effort
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globally to combat... Human and sex trafficking. Is that a
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fair characterization? Answer. It's the responsibility of the State Department
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to try and hold countries accountable through our annual report
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and to work with countries to try and encourage them
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to improve their laws and their enforcement. Question. In fact,
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Secretary of State's responsible for submitting an annual trafficking in
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persons or tip report. Is that correct? Answer. That is correct. Question.
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And Secretary Clinton, can you please explain what the report is?
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What's the purpose of the report? What was your role
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in the creation of the report? And did you have
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final approval of the contents of the report, the TIP report? Answer,
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the report I believe is legislatively mandated. It's put together
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by the experts and State Department people who are responsible
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for following developments in trafficking through our embassies around the world.
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countries are taking trafficking seriously. whether they have adequate laws,
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whether they're enforcing those laws, whether judges are trained, whether
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law enforcement takes the crime seriously. And then every year,
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the office responsible for the TIP report evaluates and describes
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what a country was doing. And in egregious cases where
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the countries are ignoring it, where the problem is getting worse,
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there can be sanctions employed. But usually the effort to
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stay out of the report in a negative way helps
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us diplomatically to persuade countries to take more action. Question, okay,
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so to be clear, The TIP reports were submitted to
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Congress during your tenure? Answer, yes. Question, and was human
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trafficking in the United States increasing or decreasing during that time? Answer,
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in the United States, I'm not familiar with the year-to-year numbers,
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but human trafficking has been a very big problem in
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the U.S. and elsewhere. And as you pointed out, all
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kinds of criminal organizations, gangs, cartels, find it profitable to
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traffic human beings. So it kind of goes up and down,
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depending on how effectively we're enforcing our laws or other
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nations are enforcing theirs. Question, so during the Biden administration
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open border policies, we don't know the number, we think
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15 to 20 million illegal criminal aliens, the cartels you
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probably saw in Colorado, where Tren de Aragua took over
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an apartment complex at gunpoint, and one guy called the police,
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they cut his fingers off and said, if you call
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the police again, we're going to cut off your hands.
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So would you agree that having a secure border is
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very important to prevent these cartels and these human traffickers
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from coming into our country and victimizing the American people? Answer,
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I've been in favor of secure borders and effective humane
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immigration policy for as long as I've thought about it.
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And when I ran for the Senate, when I ran
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for president, I advocated for security at our borders, but
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also additional resources so that we could process the people
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who came to our borders in a more efficient and
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timely way. I voted for comprehensive immigration reform on a
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bipartisan basis when I was in the Senate. So yes,
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I absolutely agree. We need secure borders. All right, folks,
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we're going to wrap up right there. And in the
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next episode, we're going to pick up with, yeah, so
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what are the tools? Because we want to get to
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the bottom. All the information that goes with this episode
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can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone?
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And welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In
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this episode, we're going to pick up where we left
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off with the Hillary Clinton transcript from her trip to Congress.
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Hillary Clinton, I have no information about that. Question by Mr. McGuire.
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If I take you at your word, or we take
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you at your word, you let Epstein and his close
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associates close to your family, close to the Clinton Foundation.
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Do you feel you made a mistake? Answer, I never
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met him, so I have no way of judging. I
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never met him. And I wish he had been stopped
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in 2008 instead of given a slap on the wrist
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like he was. Answer, thank you. And with
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concludes the majority's time. Now they go off the record.
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Now they come back on. Speaker number five, whoever that is.
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We can go back on the record, ma'am. I have
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just a few questions about things you discussed in the
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previous round, and then I'll turn it over to a
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member of the committee. There were a few cases of
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mistaken identity, I think, in the previous hour. Answer, yeah. Question,
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so for one, we understand that Bob Torricelli was the
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DSCC chairman when you ran for Senate, not Bob Kerry.
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I think you got that one right, and I just
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wanted to confirm that for you. Answer, yes. Question, no.
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In addition, John Sculley is a businessman who at one
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point was the CEO of Apple. Steve Sculley is some
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kind of IT person in the Virgin Islands. Am I
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correct to say that you do not know Steve Sculley,
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the IT guy in the Virgin Islands? Answer, that is correct.
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So what does that have to do with anything? Steve
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Sculley corroborated with what Virginia said. And if you don't
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like that, I don't really care. And if you feel
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protective of the Clintons, this is not the right topic
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for you. Question, great. You were asked several times, and
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I just want to get it clean here in one place,
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whether your husband visited Mr. Epstein's Island in the U.S.
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Virgin Islands. Firstly, to be clear, you yourself did not
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visit Mr. Epstein's Island. Is that right? Answer, that is right. Question,
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and am I right that it's your understanding that your
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husband also did not visit Mr. Epstein's Island? Answer, that's
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my understanding, and I think there is significant evidence to
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back that up, including that the Secret Service... actually went
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on record to say they had never been on the island,
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and that my husband had never signed off Secret Service protection. Question.
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You took the next question, which was to clarify that,
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as far as... Hillary jumps in again. Let's clarify it again.
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Maybe they'll hear it this way. Question. We'll double clarify that,
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as you know, your husband did not separate himself from
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the Secret Service detail in order to fly on Mr.
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Epstein's plane. Answer. As far as I know, He never
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signed off on Secret Service Protection, so she's calling. Virginia
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a liar, and the Democrats are backing that up. Keep
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that in mind. Just the facts, folks, right? Question, one
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last one from me. Former Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez was
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Attorney General at the time that Mr. Epstein received his
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sweetheart deal. As far as you know, was former Attorney
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General Gonzalez required to physically come in for his deposition
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as you are today? That is not true either. It
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was Mukasey and Philippe. Mukasey was the interim in 2007,
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and Gonzalez didn't come in until 2008. They don't even
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know what they're talking about, the senators and the congresspeople.
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And I mean, you would think that the people that
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are tasked with actually knowing what's going on would actually
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know what's going on, but I guess not. Answer, as
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far as I know, former Attorney General Gonzalez was not
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required to come in. He gave a statement, a very
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short statement, saying he didn't know anything and he was
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excused from appearing. But I think I would be useful
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for the committee to probe the information that was available
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between Alex Acosta and the Department of Justice. during that
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period of time when Epstein was charged with crimes. Yeah,
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like the year of emails that disappeared. Might be a
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good idea to look for those. I know, just another conspiracy, right?
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Just another coincidence. Question. Lastly, I will read the names
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of some other individuals who were subpoenaed by this committee
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in connection with the investigation. And I'll just ask you
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if you're understanding that those individuals were required to physically
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come in for a deposition. Former Attorney General Jeff Sessions. Answer.
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It's my understanding that he was not required. Question. Former
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FBI Director Robert Mueller. Answer. Not required. Question. Former Attorney
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General Loretta Lynch. Answer. She was not required. Question. How
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about Eric Holder? No. Question. And former Attorney General Merrick Garland. Answer. No. Question.
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And former FBI Director James Comey. Answer. No. Question. Thank you.
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Now the next speaker. Madam Secretary, good afternoon. Clinton, hello, Congressman. Question,
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thank you for your patience today. As we've discussed, you
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served in a variety of official roles from 93 to 2013. First, Lady,
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Senator from New York, Secretary of State. During your time
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in any of those positions, did you have responsibility for
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the investigation or the prosecution of Jeffrey Epstein? Answer, I
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did not. Question, during your time in these positions... Were
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you ever involved in any investigation or prosecution of Epstein? Answer,
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I was not. That's the problem, dum-dums. Nobody investigated the guy. Question,
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which agency, just given your experience and knowledge, what are
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some of the agencies or agencies that would have been
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involved or were involved in those kinds of investigations and prosecutions? Answer,
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I don't know personally, but just looking at the responsibility
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of various agencies, it would be local, state, and federal
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law enforcement, and at the federal level, obviously the Department
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of Justice, it might as well have been the Border Control,
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and FAA, or TSA, other agencies that had anything to
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do with transportation. Question, but in your experience, not First Lady, Senators,
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or Secretaries of State? Answer, not in my experience, none
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of the above. Question, in any of your roles, did
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you ever seek to influence any level of government activity, investigation, prosecution,
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related to Jeffrey Epstein? Answer, I did not. Question, similarly,
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during your tenure in these positions, did you have responsibility
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for the investigation or prosecution of Glenn Maxwell? Answer, I
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did not. Question, were you involved in the investigation or
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prosecution of Glenn Maxwell? Answer, I was not. Question, thank you.
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During your tenure, did you ever seek to influence any
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level of government investigation or prosecution of Glenn Maxwell? Answer,
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I did not. Question, okay, one of the things that
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was discussed earlier was a conversation between Ghislaine Maxwell and
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Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche, after which Ghislaine Maxwell was
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transferred to a lower security, more comfortable prison situation. Are
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you familiar with that sequence of events? Answer, I've read
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about that, yes. Question, and when we, this committee, deposed
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Ghislaine Maxwell, her attorney requested a pardon on her behalf,
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or rather stated that if she were pardoned, she would
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be at liberty to share more information with the committee
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and others. Are you familiar with that? Or have you
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read about that? Answer, I read about that. Question, and
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the media has asked President Trump if he's considering pardoning
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of Glenn Maxwell, and he, to date, has not ruled
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out a pardon or clemency for Glenn Maxwell. And because
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we've talked with you today about your role as Secretary
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of State in trying to ensure that there are stronger policies, laws,
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protections to prevent sex trafficking, child trafficking, human trafficking, I
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just want to ask you, from your perspective, what signal
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would it send to those in the United States or
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around the world who might want to engage in those
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crimes if somebody convicted of those crimes were pardoned by
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the President of the United States? Answer, I think it
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would send absolutely the wrong signal. Question, in your experience,
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I'll ask again, Do First Ladies or Secretaries of State
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or Senators oversee or be involved in specific sex trafficking investigations? Answer, no.
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As I said earlier, Congressman, the Secretary of State has
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a responsibility to try to use diplomatic authority, the power
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of sanctions, to convince other countries to improve their laws
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and enforce them. Question, in your opinion, and you may
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have touched on this to some extent, who should this
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committee be speaking to if we wanted to know more
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information about on specific federal sex trafficking investigations, previous, current, future. Clinton,
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I think the Department of Justice, which is the primary
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law enforcement agency of our government, and perhaps some of
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the individual U.S. attorneys and Attorney General that might have
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units devoted to trying to prevent and prosecute human trafficking. Question,
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thank you, that's all I have. And we can go
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off record. So they go off record, now they're come
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back on, and Eric Burleson is asking the questions. So
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I'm going to begin with some lighthearted different questions, and
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you're welcome to ignore them if you want to. But
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while I have you here, I just wanted to ask.
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So when your husband was president, it was Lawrence Rockefeller,
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and he had an effort to try and disclose UFOs
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and UAPs. When you were running for president, John Podesta
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publicly stated that you would disclose these files. If given
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the chance, if you had been president, are you pleased
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to see that these files may be disclosed finally? What
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are we doing? Why are we talking about UFOs? Answer,
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I'm pleased. As I say, I think they have to
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be carefully scrutinized so that no national security information is disclosed.
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But this is an issue of real importance to so
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many people. And I think whatever can be disclosed should
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be disclosed. Question, was there a program that specifically that
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was referencing that you were aware of? Answer, I was not.
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As you mentioned, John Podesta, who was one of my advisors,
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was deeply interested in the issue. And if I had
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been elected, I certainly would have listened to his advice. Question, well,
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thank you for your indulgence on that. As you know,
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Alexander Acosta,
who gave Epstein the 2009 plea deal, maybe
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instead of talking so much about aliens and this other bullshit,
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you brush up on what actually happened. He said whenever
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he was asked that he belonged to intelligence and to
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leave it alone. Were you, and I think you've answered
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this before, but if you could answer more directly, were
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you or anyone in the Obama administration, through your role
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in the State Department or even afterward in the Clinton Foundation,
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Question Question Question Question Was it ever responded to? Question,
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that's a good question. Clinton, I know nothing about it. Question,
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and typically they haven't responded to us on our FOIA requests.
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In 2014, Epstein met with William Burns, who was a
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senior State Department official and later CIA director. Warrior jumps in,
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excuse me, could you say what year that was again? Burleson, 2014. Question,
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in 2014 he met with Burns? Answer, uh-huh. Epstein met
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with William Burns. As the Secretary of State at the time,
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were you aware of that meeting? Clinton, I wasn't Secretary
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of State in 2014. Answer, or question, okay, were you
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aware of that meeting with Mr. Burns? Clinton, I was not. Burleson, okay,
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and finally, Ghislaine Maxwell's father was Robert Maxwell, who was
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widely reported as being Mossad or MI6 intelligence. In any
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of your conversations with Maxwell, or people connected to her,
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did they ever mention Robert Maxwell's intelligence background? Or any
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ongoing foreign or domestic intelligence connections through your conversations or interactions? Clinton,
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I have never talked to anybody about whether that is
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true or not. I don't know. Question, were you aware
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that when Maxwell attended your wedding, she was skipping a
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court order deposition in the Epstein victim's lawsuit? Maxwell's lawyer
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jumps in. Excuse me, do you mean her wedding or
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do you mean her daughter's wedding? Question, I'm sorry, your
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daughter's wedding. I'm sorry, when she attended your daughter's wedding.
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Were you aware that she was skipping a court ordered?
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Clinton jumps in, I had no idea, I didn't know
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anything about that. Question, is this the first time you're
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hearing that? Answer, it is the first time I'm hearing that. Burleson,
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but at the time, she was going through the investigation. Clinton,
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I knew nothing about it at the time, so I
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can't respond. Question, okay, later Chelsea vacationed with Maxwell in 2009.
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And reportedly, Hillary Clinton jumps in, that was before the wedding. Answer, yeah, okay,
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before that. She vacationed 2009. Was reportedly friendly with her.
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Are you aware of the nature of that relationship? Answer,
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I think you described it. It was a friendly relationship. Question,
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is it safe to say that she was closer to
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Glenn Maxwell than you were? Answer, I had very little
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contact with Glenn Maxwell, so I can't speak to anybody
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else's relationship. only my own. Question, but is it safe
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to say she was closer? Answer, I'm not going to
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characterize it because I don't know. Question, okay, Chelsea was
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also in attendance at the wedding in Morocco in 2002.
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It's also been documented that Epstein was there, as well
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as Maxwell. At that time, she would have been 21,
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maybe 22 years old. Do you have any concerns, or
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have you asked your daughter about any potential inappropriate activity? Answer,
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you know, All these questions about concerns that predate the
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charges and pleas of Epstein are very hard to answer
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because people did not know. Question at the time, answer
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at the time. And all the questions about contribution to
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the joint committee, people didn't know. And so in retrospect,
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nobody would have had any contact with someone like that. Well,
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couldn't you use the same excuse for everybody else? Like
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everybody that you're claiming should be up here? Everybody should
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get that same kind of luxury, that excuse? Okay, I guess.
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And those people who continue to have contact with him
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--> 00:31:31.059
after he pled guilty are in a different group because
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that happened and they still maintain contact with him. Question,
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I think we're all experiencing that. Where we're having a
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revelation of what we didn't know at the time, but
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in reflecting back, certainly it's appropriate to ask questions. And
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so my question is, knowing what happened at the time,
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have you had conversations with her? Was there any inappropriate
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activity during that time? Answer, at that time, Nothing was known,
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and nothing untowards occurred. And then there was no further
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contact with him, so I can't really speculate about that further. Question,
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we can all agree, I think, that Jeffrey Epstein was
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a monster. That he was empowered or enabled by Ghislaine Maxwell.
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I think we can all agree with that, correct? Answer,
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I can't characterize a relationship. I think you can agree
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that he committed crimes, he was not fully held accountable
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for them, which could have stopped his predatory practices, perhaps,
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that continued for quite some time afterward. And then he
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was finally indicted for serious crimes, and he's in prison,
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and then he mysteriously dies. And with her, she was
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finally indicted, tried, and convicted. And I think you have
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to look at it in the chronological way in which
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it unfolded. Question, yeah. I think there's varying degrees of culpability.
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She was certainly going beyond just being silent in her
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knowledge about the horrible acts that he was doing, but
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she was actually enabling it. Answer, that's what she was
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convicted of. So you can't just agree, you can't just say, yeah,
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she's a monster, she's a piece of garbage, and that's
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because Hillary Clinton, breaking news, was friends with Ghislaine Maxwell.
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I know people don't want to hear it, but that's
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the truth. Question, that's right. But if she had not
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been enabling, if she had not been taking those steps,
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if she had just been silent, question, are you asking
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her to speculate? Burleson responds, I'm asking, would you agree
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that she'd be culpable as well, just in her silence? Answer, no.
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I have no information about that, so I'm not going
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to speculate. Burleson? Okay. All right. With that, I'm done.
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All right, folks, we're going to wrap up right here.
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And in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're
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going to pick up where we left off. All the
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information that goes with this episode can be found in
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the description box. What's up, everyone? And welcome to another
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episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going
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to pick up where we left off with the Hillary
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Clinton transcript from her trip to Congress. And now, doing
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the questioning, is Scott Perry. Good afternoon, Madam Secretary. Answer,
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good afternoon. Question, you live in a particularly beautiful part
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of the country. Answer, thank you. Question, good for you. Answer,
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it's very pretty up here. Question, Madam Secretary, once it
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was revealed publicly that you and President Clinton were connected,
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I'm going to use that term, to Jeffrey Epstein and
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Glenn Maxwell, did you discuss the subject with your daughter? Answer,
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I'm not going to talk about what I did or
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didn't discuss with family members, but I can tell you
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that it was something that was a grave concern to us.
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Scott Perry, I imagine it was. And I know that you're, look,
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I think we could probably get a long way here
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if we could discuss or have a view into your
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discussion with your husband. I suspect you're going to object
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to that. Answer, you're right, congressman. Thank you for getting
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me that, for granting me that. Question, these are reasonable questions. Clinton,
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but congressman. He cuts her off. Did your daughter discuss
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it with you? Answer. Well, we were all horrified by
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what was later. Cut off again by Perry. Horrified in
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what way? We were all horrified of what we learned
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about
Jeffrey Epstein, Glenn Maxwell, the victims, Clinton, right, right. Question.
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But did you discuss with your daughter when you say
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you were horrified the connection with her father and the
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Epstein episode? Answer. My husband's connection with Jeffrey Epstein began
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and ended before he was charged with any crime. And
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so in retrospect, we all say, oh my gosh, that
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was horrific. And why didn't more people know? And why
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didn't more people speak out at the time? But I
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think the chronology is critically important. If we're talking about post-crime,
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that there was a continuing connection with him, that would
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be unacceptable. But it ended before he was charged. Question,
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I understand that, which is why I particularly said once
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it was revealed publicly. I get that continuing to be
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involved with someone like that after it was knowledgeable to everyone,
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would be almost an unforgivable sin. However, I'm married too.
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Not as long as you, ma'am, but there would be
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questions in my family. Even if I went back before
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we were married, there would be questions. Congressman? The lawyer
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jumps in. I don't want to interrupt you, but I
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don't understand the question. Scott Perry, so my question is,
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did your daughter discuss it with you? That was my
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particular question. Answer? I think I can't recollect any specific conversation,
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but of course we discussed the horrific crimes that he
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was accused of. Question, but nothing about her father's connection
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to it? Answer, her father's connection began and ended before
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he was charged with crimes. Question, did your daughter ever
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mention to you that she discussed this matter with her father? Answer,
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I don't recollect that. Question, did you see photos of
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your husband with young girls related to Jeffrey Epstein? Answer,
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I saw the few photos that my lawyer showed me.
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Question right. Did you see the photos of your husband
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with Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell? Answer. I have seen
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such photos. Question. They're out there, right? Answer. Yeah. Question.
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I imagine you're familiar, but I just want to make sure.
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Since seeing these photos, have any questions about the content, location,
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general circumstances come to your mind? Answer. No. It was
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unfortunate that he ever did anything with Jeffrey Epstein. Question.
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There was no curiosity. Lawyer jumps in. Excuse me. Are
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you asking for an opinion? Or is there a fact
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that she can share with you that would be helpful
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in your investigation? Perry, well, I did say there were
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any questions. I'll give you an example. If I saw
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a picture with my wife, it's just really hard to
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be relevant. If my wife saw pictures with me as
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a grown man hanging out with obviously or close to
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underage women, regardless if it was before we were married
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or not, it would be a question. And so what
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I'm asking you is, did any question regarding those photographs
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come to your mind? Answer, I'm going to, just as
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clearly as I can state this, say I don't see
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the relevance of your question, and I'm not going to
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talk about conversations that I had with my family, especially
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my husband. Question, and for clarity, are you all asserting
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spousal privilege? Lawyer, for clarity, we're looking for the relevance
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of her conversation with her husband and what she might
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have thought about her conversations with. How does that help
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further the legislative purpose of the committee as they investigate
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the prosecution and investigation of Epstein? Lawyer, I think Mr.
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Perry's questions directly relate to. The other lawyer jumps in.
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To her daughter? To her husband? Clinton to what? My
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state of mind? Lawyer, state of mind? Clinton, what possible
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relevance does my state of mind have to the investigation?
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So they go back and forth for a minute. Now
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Clinton says, I'm not here to give opinions. I'm here
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to answer factual questions. And I have answered for
many
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hours now. That I had no relationships. because I never
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met the guy, to the best of my recollection, with
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Jeffrey Epstein. Perry, and I'm not implying, and you shouldn't ever,
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that I have made that connection. I'm not implying that.
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You're still married, Madam Secretary? Still married, correct? Answer, that's
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very true. Question, okay, can you identify the man in
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these photos? Answer, I can't see them across the table. Question,
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let me get them a little closer. Lawyer, so just
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for the record, you would like her to identify pictures
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of her spouse? Perry, yeah. Question, you need her to
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testify on pictures of her spouse? Hillary Clinton, the 42nd
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President of the United States of America? That's my husband. Question, okay,
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do you know the location? Answer, I have no knowledge
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of the location. I have context for the location. I
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know nothing about the location. Question. If you were informed
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that that's on Mr. Epstein's plane, lawyer, would you like
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her to speculate based on your opinion or fact? Perry. No, ma'am.
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If you let me ask my question, if you were
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informed that was on Mr. Epstein's plane, that is known
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to have frequented not only the island, but other locations
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where sexual abuse horrific sexual abuse occurred. Would you have
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any questions about those photos and who's in them? Lawyer
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jumps in. Objection. Calls for speculation. States facts. Not in evidence.
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I'm not instructing you not to answer. Hillary. Well, no,
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I'm not going to speculate. Perry. Do you know the
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names of any of the young girls in the photo
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with your husband? Answer. The faces are blacked out. Congressman. Correct.
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That's the lawyer. Perry. I understand that, but the photos
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are out there. Questioned by the lawyer. Are you saying
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she should be able to know who the individuals are
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when they're in the photos and they're blacked out? Now,
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Perry responds, what I'm saying is that a normal relationship,
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you would probably ask the person that you're sleeping with
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who that person in the photo is. Lawyer, well, there
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are many things that I would just like to stay
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and I'd like to stay on the record here. Thank you.
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Another lawyer jumps in. Let's wait for a question at
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which you can give a factual answer. Clinton, that would
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be helpful. Perry, Are you aware of a single misstatement
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of fact from any person who you know or believe
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to be an Epstein victim? Answer. I have got no
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knowledge of all the statements of fact. Question. So at
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this point, the answer would be no. Answer. I don't know.
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I have no way of knowing. Question. Please don't mischaracterize
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her statement. That's the lawyer. Perry again. Are you aware
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that your husband's name is noted multiple times in Jeffrey
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Epstein's flight logs? Clinton, I think everyone knows that he
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flew on Jeffrey Epstein's plane, as did many other people,
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including Donald Trump. Stop asking me questions. Trump did it too. Yeah,
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we'll get to that. Right now we're talking about you
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and your brain-dead-ass husband. Perry, understood, understood. Well, I don't
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know about that last one, but did you ever discuss
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the fact that anyone or any organization that your husband's
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name appeared on the flight logs? Clinton, I don't recall.
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I mean, I've talked about it with my lawyers. and
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others assisting in my preparation, but I can't recall specifics. Question,
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are you aware of trips made by your husband on
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Jeffrey Epstein's numerous helicopters, whether piloted by Glenn Maxwell or
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anyone else? Lawyer jumps in, objection, states facts, not in evidence. Answer,
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I've never heard that. Question, are you aware of the allegation? Answer, no,
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I was not. Question, the allegation does exist in the record.
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Is that something you're curious about? Madam Secretary? Answer, I
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have no awareness of it. Perry, questions are complete. Thank you, ma'am.
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Next person up doing the
questioning, Lauren Boebert from Colorado. Question, Ms. Clinton,
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Madam Secretary, while we sat on the record today, are
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you under oath? Answer, I am. Question, okay, have you
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ever lied while being under oath? Answer, I have not. Question,
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have you ever lied in a deposition? Answer, I have not. Question, okay,
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thank you. Have you ever transmitted any information to Epstein
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or Glenn Maxwell about the United States government? Answer, I
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have not. Question, as has been mentioned many times here today,
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Bill Clinton flew on Epstein's plane at least 26 times,
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multiple international trips from 2002 to 2003, often with Maxwell.
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When and how did you first learn of these trips
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and did you discuss them or review them with him
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prior to taking the trips? Lawyer jumps in. It's a
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compound question. I'm going to object to the latter part
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of it. Lauren Boebert, sure. An instructor not to answer
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on the grounds. And to this, Boebert cuts him off.
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When and how did you learn of these trips? Of
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these trips? Clinton, I don't recall how I learned about them.
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I knew that he was traveling on a number of
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different planes owned by a number of different people. And
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I don't recollect having conversations about the planes. We talked
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about the work. We talked about the meetings that he had.
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We talked about his efforts to try to persuade countries
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to invest in low-cost aid trucks. That's what we talked about. Question,
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did you discuss who he'd be traveling with? Answer, I
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did not. I don't have any recollection of that. Question, Ms. Clinton,
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when did you find out that your husband was spending
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time extensively with a registered sex offender? Clinton, he did not.
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Not after. Boebert, okay. Clinton, he was convicted years after
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Bill stopped having any relationship. Question, Were there any activities
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that raised a red flag to think that he could
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be charged of sex crimes during the time that Clinton,
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lawyer jumps in, are you asking if she has awareness? Boebert, yes.
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Clinton of Jeffrey Epstein, Boebert. Of any red flags being
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brought to your awareness, to your family's awareness, while your
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husband was spending time with Jeffrey Epstein? Answer, I have
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no recollection of anyone bringing any red flags to me. Question,
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so Have any of the victims of Epstein or Maxwell
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ever reached out to you in any way? Clinton, I
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don't recall that. Question, you don't recall any reason a
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victim may have reached out to you or your counsel?
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Lawyer jumps in, excuse me, the question's asked and answered.
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Lauren Boebert, I asked any. Lawyer jumps in and cuts
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her off, whether or not any victim reached out to her,
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and she said she didn't have any awareness of that. Boebert,
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moving on. Ms. Clinton, are you aware of anyone ever
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telling your husband... that they had damaging information about him
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that they would release? Answer, I have no awareness of that. Question,
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did Epstein ever ask you or Mr. Clinton for any
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favors of any kind? Answer, I never talked to Jeffrey Epstein. Question,
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did Maxwell ever ask you or Mr. Clinton for any
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favors of any kind? Answer, she did not ask me. Question,
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did Epstein have any connection to her association with the
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Clinton Foundation? Answer, there has been the allegation that he did.
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but I don't have any factual basis for knowing one
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way or the other. Question, okay. And as we discussed today,
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the small amount donated historically and the $ 20, 000 to your campaign,
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the 1999 Senate campaign. Lawyer jumps in, excuse me, could
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you stay for the record? It was not the campaign,
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so if you wouldn't mind just stating the fact. Bover
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jumps in, $ 200, 000 or $ 20, 000 to Hillary's 1999 Senate campaign. Clinton, no. Lawyer,
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that's inaccurate. No, it was a joint, Hillary says, a
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joint state campaign. Boebert, joint campaign. Okay, sure. Okay, so
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we've talked about those connections. In past public statements, as
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in 2017 speeches and interviews, you described Pizzagate as a
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baseless conspiracy theory, alleging you and others ran a child
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sex trafficking ring from a Washington pizzeria basement. Have you
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reviewed any of the 2025-2026 Epstein files that were released?
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that you believe reference or relate to those specific 2016
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claims regarding the Podesta emails, comment Ping Pong Pizza used
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as code possibly? Lawyer jumps in. You're asking her about
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whether she's reviewed emails, Boebert, yes, in the Epstein files. Lawyer,
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which relate to the wacky Pizzagate scam? Boebert, you could
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characterize it however you want. I just would like to
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know if she was familiar with any of them. Lawyer,
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excuse me, your question is about whether or not she
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has reviewed any emails in the Epstein release files about Pizzagate?
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Lauren Boebert, correct. Hillary Clinton, Pizzagate was totally made up.
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It was an outrageous allegation that ended up hurting a
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number of people that caused a deranged young man to
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show up with an assault rifle and shoot up a
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local pizzeria. I can't believe you're even referencing it. Boebert,
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there are no connections to the language. Hillary Clinton, well
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QAnon people believe there are. Lauren Boebert, I don't know
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what QAnon people believe. Hillary Clinton, have at it, have
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at it. Question, but you've accused certain parties, and I
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think even right now today, of promoting or slow-walking information
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in ways that fuels conspiracies. In your view, did any
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Epstein-Maxwell-related investigation or file handling pre- or post-2019 contribute to
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intersect with the spread of Pizzagate-style theories about Democratic figures?
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Hillary Clinton, I have no way of answering that. Lawyer
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jumps in, calls for speculation. Boebert, have you or your
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representatives identified any Epstein file content that's been misinterpreted online
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to revive those claims? And what steps, if any, have
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you taken to clarify? Lawyer, again, object to the grounds
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of speculation. Boebert, I think that is all very reasonable. Clinton, well,
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first of all, I don't follow the crazy conspiracy stories
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that are online. I regret that anybody does. I find
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it quite sad, but also disturbing, that people would believe
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some of what is put forth like Pizzagate. So I
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have taken no steps to review anything that might. Lauren Boebert,
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do you think pizza, Clinton, have any connection to something? Boebert, sure. Clinton,
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which is totally bogus. Boebert, John Podesta, your 2016 campaign chair,
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appears in some Epstein file context, social overlaps, or mentions.
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Were you aware of any of the Podesta-related communication in
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the release files? Lawyer, can you please provide her examples
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or the evidence that you would like us to review
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or the exhibits that reflect that in order for her
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to be able to do that? Answer, I can get
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some exhibits. I'm pausing these questions in the meantime. All right, folks,
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we're going to wrap up right here. And in the
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next episode dealing with the topic, we're going to pick
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up where we left off. All the information that goes
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