Full Transcript for Loon EXPOSES the SHOCKING REASON the JURY Will NOT CONVICT Lil Durk - Full Ep

the money that was left for the kids, you know, savings and things like that. And, you know, just trying to discredit them. But, you know, but I don't really know if that's enough really though, man. 00:03:13 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? I just think it's on boy down. 00:03:16 Speaker 1: Now let's talk about, I think, I think the conversations right now too, cause I do remember some of the closing arguments and I think that there's a lot there to talk about because, um, because the prosecution took a certain stance of like, yo, you, Dirk is like Amazon, and you can't get mad that Amazon delivers what you ordered. And so, you know, they kind of flipped it on him. Because what Brian Steele then was doing a lot was attacking the credibility of the snitches. And I think the feds, that's old game. So the feds kind of be prepared for that. They ain't really biting on the discredit the hell out of the snitch, and that's enough. They got shit for that. They got a playbook for that because they've been going– up against that for so long. And so in the closing arguments, you saw them grab hold to the fact of, hey, they are going to attack the snitches and call them killers and robbers and criminals and bad people. But the question is, if they are all that, but they're Dirk's bad people, they're Dirk's robbers, they're Dirk's killers. That's why they were that close to him. And so I think what they were doing was like trying to let them know like, They're trying to discredit their discredit. You see what I'm saying? It's like a discredit versus discredit game going on. So the closing arguments to me and then Brian Steele, for me, Brian Steele is better than Drew Finley. Even Drew Finley, his last words on there was, it's been an honor. being the voice for the voice. Like that ain't something I don't, I really don't like that. A lot of people like that and say, yo, that was a dope little, yeah, if it's Def Jam poetry, that might be a hell of a way to, to close out. But man, fuck all that right now. You don't need no taglines. You need to be in here putting some game down. And I think that he did do a good job. I don't want to take away from his, you know, his, I think he did 30 minutes of closing arguments. It's just, when they throw that kind of little shit out, you know what I mean? Just feel a little clout-chasey to me. 00:05:27 Speaker 2: Yeah, man, he was full of that dope during this trial, the way he was participating, you. 00:05:33 Speaker 3: Know what I'm saying? He just didn't take that shit serious, man. 00:05:36 Speaker 2: He went up against the best of the best, man, you know, that the government got, man. He went up against the best, man. Them folks was ready, man. They came to squash dirt, man. And Drew just didn't take that shit serious because you podcast, man, you supposed to be studying night and day, man. Looking through the statements, you know, and the evidence, you know, seeing what they're saying, let me block this way. You know, you got to be ready, man. You know, he was just in the spotlight and the limelight, man. He didn't take that man right serious to me. And the government, man, I think they tried to nail a man with the tickets being bought, you know, from his guy, you know, to pay for the tickets. And then he said, look, I don't want my name tagged or nothing. OK, they got around. because as soon as the happened, I just do know to put them right. 00:06:21 Speaker 3: Back on the plane. 00:06:26 Speaker 2: And Dirk did that, you know, by looking at the, you know, the pinging and stuff. You know, OK, he was on your phone during this time and his was pinging too. Even though he was on FaceTime, we can't capture that. But we know he was on the phone at. 00:06:40 Speaker 3: That time, so we can go and paint that picture. 00:06:42 Speaker 2: And then it's matching up with the dude saying the FaceTime going on, you know, Dirk FaceTime, you. 00:06:46 Speaker 3: Know, this, this, this. You know, and so you're the one. Is it done now? It's done. Y'all don't take care of that. Okay, let me get you out of here. Man, you hit your boy up. Yeah, get him on out of here. Get him on out of here. 00:06:57 Speaker 2: You know, and that stuff matching up, man. You know what I'm saying? 00:07:01 Speaker 3: And it's just a hard pill to swallow right now. You know what I'm saying? 00:07:04 Speaker 1: I think in deliberation what they're fighting over right now, possibly, and, of course, I'm just in content land, just having communication and making, you know, conversation about it. But I would imagine that they probably back there fighting about like, well, if you don't believe that, then how you believe this? You know, because somebody probably is discrediting something that the snitches is saying at some point. And then they probably pushing back saying, well, it ain't no half way. It's either you believe them or you don't. It ain't no I believe. But that ain't true because you can believe he telling the truth right there and he lying right there. I don't believe that, but I do believe that. So I think that may be what's going on back there, man. I'm trying to figure out what are they held up on. And I think I also agree that it's good that they didn't come right back with a guilty verdict because if they would have came back fast, I too think it would have. 00:08:02 Speaker 3: Been– are guilty. Yeah. You know what I think? 00:08:07 Speaker 2: The money piece that they look in that door, this is what I'm thinking about what Vine was saying over that phone about put on the show for the government. 00:08:16 Speaker 3: You know, that could be crucial. 00:08:18 Speaker 1: That's hella crucial. 00:08:20 Speaker 3: That's hella crucial. Did he really put this together? 00:08:23 Speaker 1: That's hella crucial. 00:08:25 Speaker 3: You know, there's that right there. 00:08:27 Speaker 2: That might be the main thing that they're looking at. 00:08:30 Speaker 3: You know, and if they feel

like he was acting up there. 00:08:35 Speaker 1: I think that was a body blow. That was a hell of a blow, the fact that they found out they had that call with Vonnie and he was admitting that he's going to get on the stand and put on a show and damn near act like an actor and get an Oscar because he want to come home and do a Netflix documentary. Man, you can't send nobody away for life based on just saying that kind of shit, man. You know what I'm saying? 00:09:00 Speaker 2: He might got a chance, though, because the other stuff that matched, you know, Jam saying, hey, man, I'll do anything to come on up out this thing. And then y'all ain't recording these, you know, these interviews, man. Y'all prepping these dudes and y'all making them say that, you know, we know you've been out the dirt now. 00:09:16 Speaker 3: You know, just don't say the word, man. Just don't say you do it, bro. We got you. You know, it's all you got to do, bro. You know, and he probably said, man, I ain't get paid or nothing, man. Yeah, that's it. You understand what I'm saying? 00:09:28 Speaker 1: Why do you think that it's a discrepancy of the non-payment? Like, what do you think that's about? I think that's been something that a lot of people has been talking about. Dirk ain't paid these people. First of all, let me say this, because I want to really argue both sides. One side is, yo, if I'm Dirk, I can't pay y'all. That's the reason why Yellow Bees, it look like he might be nailed to the cross because he went and snatched out 40 grand and 40 grand got... sent to dude and dude said 40 grand. So if he know nothing got warm, he might got it. I can't send no money now. It's over with. I can't send nothing. I can't do nothing. I got to lock up because think about in this trial, if they had a transaction, he would gone. If they had a transaction of Dirk right now, he was gone. So all of the people that say, man, why Dirk ain't pay? Why Dirk ain't pay? I'm looking at it from that point of view, man. First of all, they did it over there. They damn near did it hot. They damn near finna get caught for that. That was a little too much. You know what I'm saying? And if I get caught giving some money, I'm gone. You know what I'm saying? 00:10:41 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:10:42 Speaker 2: That's true, but it ain't true, though, because I give them money all the time. 00:10:48 Speaker 1: Man, they ain't brought up one fucking transaction where Dirk done gave man nothing. So Dirk ain't. 00:10:57 Speaker 3: Giving them nothing. 00:10:59 Speaker 1: But this ain't that. This ain't that. These want a large lump sum of money. These, yeah, yes, this is what I'm trying to tell you. This ain't I'm buying them somewhere. I'm just hitting them with $ 10, 000 or $ 15, 000, $ 20, 000, something I got on me, something light. They want a bag. These want something I'm going to have to arrange to get. Like, hey, go get $ 250, 000 right quick. I got to hit the homeboy. Like, this ain't no $ 20, 000, $ 50, 000. This is a big lump sum of money that they want. So there's going to be a paper trail of that. Unless I'm hustling, these boys ain't got money under the bed like that. You know what I'm saying? These * * * * * * putting that money up somewhere. So the kind of money they wanted, there would have to have been a transaction at some point of him withdrawing this amount of money and them saying a specific amount. He paid us $ 75, 000. And maybe they can see on this date, you know what I'm saying? It's just, it would have got them together. But I don't see one transaction of Dirk giving that * * * * * * no money. So I push back on the fact of They give him money all the time. He take care of shit all the time and makes your nigga good or shit like that. I always tell you, bro, when they have a bunch of money on them like that in this game, this is on purpose. They ain't just having a million dollars laying around. If that's the situation, they have a range for that to happen, for a photo shoot or for a video or whatever. to start or just something for whatever the reason is. But the idea that he'll have just a half a ticket laying around to be able to distribute to them guys, I don't see that being the case. 00:12:40 Speaker 2: And see, he could slip, he could slip the through though, because it could fall on TV because they saying he the. 00:12:46 Speaker 3: One that's throwing the numbers out there. Let's get it done. It's this, this what it is, that what he paying. 00:12:51 Speaker 2: And then jam calling Booney Moore a couple of times, you know, and so, you know, it kind of got jerked out the way a little bit, you know, in that sense, you know, and them dudes wasn't testifying as far as Booney Moore and, you know, these, other alleged co-conspirators so in a way you know he good on that though because it was nothing that came from him and then nobody testified to directly talking to a dude you know what I'm saying so he'll beat the. 00:13:17 Speaker 3: But you know it's just the stalking. 00:13:18 Speaker 1: And the stalking ain't nothing either because they don't but before I get there I still because I you know I guess I think I want to talk I just want to deal with that a little bit more Yeah, because so many people are having that conversation and they are kind of confused as to why no money was transferred between Dirk and these gentlemen. If you're asking me, once these dudes get warm, Dirk cannot give them any money. If he does give them money and he was caught giving them a money transaction, bank withdrawal, or they even had a specific amount and all of them agreed about it. Even if they had that, even if they said we all got $ 150, 000, man, bruh gave it to, and they ain't talk to each other, and they was on the stand truthfully being able to say that, that would hurt this case. Now, I also want to argue the other side, which is you got to take care of the killers. You got to take care of the guys. You know what I'm saying? Because if

you don't, they going to do you like that, and I think they already look at you like, You know what I mean? Rap guys. You know what I mean? And, you know, I don't think they give you the respect. And this is what I was telling you last time. I believe that one of Dirk's mistakes is, see, because I know how to deal with the killers because I grew up with them. I seen them up close. Sometimes the killers must know. It must be an established fact that violence is on the table with me. You feel what I'm saying? You got to know that I go. So soon as the killers know you won't go, they handle you different. Even if they ride for you, even if they going to go for you, they still in the back of their head know, dude ain't going to go. Dirk never had violence on the table, if you're asking me. It wasn't one encounter where they said, man, you know, I pulled up over there. He told us not to do it. He smacked the shit out of one of us. We got to fight him. You know, it was never nothing like that. And I think Jam them feel like if it's one on one, violence is not on the table. And I think that's a valuable mistake when you amongst the killers. They have to know violence is on the table. 00:15:37 Speaker 3: But see, Dirk is not a smacker. He's not smacking shit like King Bond. 00:15:42 Speaker 2: So when his smacker went down, you know how you got that homeboy in the hood. He know this hustling ass dude. You know, he ain't going to bust a grave, though. But he got a little hard. He'll fight, but he ain't going to push it no farther than that. That dude know he ain't a slacker, but he loyal to him. He going to protect him at all means, no matter what. And ain't going to try to get over him or nothing. And that's what Vaughn was to him. He was keeping the wolves off. You understand what I'm saying? Because he know he ain't a slacker. 00:16:09 Speaker 1: But see, some people would disagree with that and say that Vaughn brought the wolves in because Vaughn was with the beef shit. See, Dirk was playing rapper. And here's the thing about Dirk. Dirk had to be in a situation where So I want to be clear about this from my perspective. Dirk was in a situation where if he was really sliding, he was a fool. R.I.P. King Von, but if he was doing everything they said he was doing, he a fool because you don't get this kind of opportunity and position and do that. And that's the cage they put rappers in. That's how they trick them out of their position because they say, oh, you over there, you a rapper. You ain't on shit. And then the rap, with everything on the line, have to prove that he owns something. And that's a mistake. So because Dirk, because Street looked at Dirk like, like I'm saying, if violence wasn't on the table, maybe jam them, don't look at them like a smacker. Maybe Von was violent under all circumstances, no matter where he was in life. But Dirk was in a, Dirk was a rapper for a long time. So he had to position himself differently. on the outskirts of the

bullshit. You get what I'm saying? If he didn't, it was a mistake. But I also agree with you, though. Continue, though. So you say Von. 00:17:31 Speaker 2: But look, even though Von brought the wolves in, that's because he a wolf. 00:17:35 Speaker 3: He a trick of the wolves. That's just what it is. But he's still keeping the wolves off of him, off of Durf. No matter what's going on, y'all ain't f * * * ing with that. Y'all know what it is. And that's what it was. 00:17:47 Speaker 2: But Durf, needed to learn how to become a little physical. 00:17:51 Speaker 3: You understand what I'm saying? 00:17:52 Speaker 2: And I think that's what King Bon was trying to teach him. Look, man, you're going to have to start snacking shit. You got bread, but they ain't respecting that, man. You're going to have to knock somebody down. You're going to have to knock them down. 00:18:02 Speaker 1: Yeah, but all this stupid talk. See, all this dumb talk from a little nigga. And then this little nigga under me. First of all, I ain't got no being listening to this little nigga. You under me. I'm saving your life. Yeah, I'm saving your life. Now, if we talking street shit, I need to listen to you. But I'm trying to get you out of there. See, here's the mistake. Dirk was trying to teach Vaughn how to play rapper. And Vaughn was trying to teach Dirk how to play street. And that collision ain't no good. Dirk was trying to pull Vaughn to the other. Or it might have been. Or Dirk might have been. Because now that I think about it, it do feel like Dirk had an appetite. That's why he was grabbing them. 00:18:46 Speaker 3: He wanted to be. He had. And he had to be. They was trying. Look, up there where they mentality is. 00:18:53 Speaker 2: Man, you got to put their work in, man. No matter what's going on. If you got bread, but they know you ain't snacking, man, that ain't stopping nothing, man. 00:19:00 Speaker 3: They coming, bro. You know what I'm saying? You got to be snacking shit. 00:19:03 Speaker 2: And that's just what it is. And you know what King Von was when you pulled him in? You know what, Jay? is when you're pulling them in, man. You know what these dudes is. This is what they is. They going to handle this. What they going to do, no matter what's going on, no matter how much money they get, somebody violate, it's already in them. 00:19:20 Speaker 3: PTG, they gone. And that was just the. 00:19:23 Speaker 2: Whole nut in the nut shell, man. 00:19:26 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? 00:19:27 Speaker 1: But I'm trying to figure out what made Dirk go that route. You know, I know Von was because, see, I thought they grew up together. But the more and more I'm hearing, they acting like they didn't grow up together. They just kind of ran into each other. So I'm trying to understand, did Dirk had an appetite or was he trying to save the little life you know. 00:19:50 Speaker 3: You gonna have to you gonna have to get some people around you just smacking man they not

gonna let you have that. 00:19:54 Speaker 1: Bread yeah but see that's but no but that's what but that's what but see this is the thing when you amongst the killers you have to like I like I was saying at the beginning of this when you amongst them they gotta know they got to know. Like, they have to know. Even if they get the best of you, they got to know. Like, dude going to go, man. He going to go now. It ain't just no free lick. And so, you know, what I think the battle, though, becomes is that it ain't me not moving because I'm a coward in dirt position or I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. It could be My position. I can't move because the position I'm in. Now, y'all reading that wrong because of where we come from. So where we come from, y'all reading that like I won't do something or I ain't capable of doing something. So y'all might trick me into moving because of where we come from. But I should be able to still form that and say, listen, homie. My position got my hands tied, but I still, he pulled, I've been a smack man. Me and one of them had to fight though. 00:21:02 Speaker 2: You don't care what he's supposed to done though. I know I got all these rules around. 00:21:07 Speaker 3: I'm pulling them from different sets. 00:21:08 Speaker 2: You know, you know, they ain't all original OTL. I mean, he's supposed to have somebody from somewhere else, somewhere that he done got a bond with and put them on the payroll, but you don't run with me just in case something go wrong. 00:21:26 Speaker 3: Around in me that they don't. 00:21:28 Speaker 1: Know nothing about. Now, what you got to do is you got to have one of your guys that's really on that, that's on that, that's really one of them you know that's on that. And they got to make it levels up before they get to you. You can't be too thirsty. You got to let your killer homie run with the other killer for a minute. Yeah, y'all just be around for 18 months. He ain't even get to come around me a lot like that. But you tapping in with him, you going around him, seeing how he move, you kind of checking him out. But just to know he get down and he on the jet with me next week, man, that's a mistake. That's a mistake. You know what I'm saying? But you got to have a nigga around you that's a killer. Yo, run with that nigga. You know, we trying to figure out what's going on with him. And that ain't even just on this level. That's in anything you doing. Like, you need to have a nigga that know that, like, check him out, see what's going with him. 00:22:22 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just raggedy, man. It's just too many people involved. And it was just, that shit was raggedy, man. I'm talking about raggedy. 00:22:31 Speaker 3: You know, you didn't need all them, man. You know, just let me get my dude out here, man. You know, let him handle that, man. You know what I'm saying? 00:22:38 Speaker 2: And there's that on that. Or, you know, okay, when we out here, we know he out here. Let me put a couple of scouts on him and watch when they go back to the airport. And then I got some people waiting where you got to land and I'm going to. 00:22:49 Speaker 3: Get you back down south. You know, that's what I would have done. I ain't going to just really try to get you out here like it. You know what I'm saying? 00:22:55 Speaker 1: And it's already been so long, man. I might, you know, I'm laying now, man. It already been a while. It ain't like this is instant retaliation. So, I ain't making no sudden move. Yeah, I ain't making no sudden move. 00:23:09 Speaker 2: Okay, then let me put the GPS on him, a couple of GPS. 00:23:13 Speaker 3: Dudes to watch him. Okay, when he get to the airport, let us know. Yeah, he at the airport. 00:23:17 Speaker 2: Okay, shoot, I got somebody at the private landing spot and the regular landing spot. 00:23:21 Speaker 3: You know, right here in Savannah, right here. Hey, he coming back. It ain't been a five, six hour flight. We waiting. 00:23:27 Speaker 2: We going to catch him right here. And then, you know, and then it's dead on. Hey, you know, man, I ain't rushing out there. You know, if you got the rush, it ain't worth doing it. You know, you know, my little Cuban buddy told me a long time ago. Life too short to be Russian, meaning to be bullshitting and rushing and then just throw it away. 00:23:44 Speaker 3: You understand what I'm saying? 00:23:45 Speaker 2: Yeah, you got time. You know what I mean? You can follow him from now back to this way. 00:23:50 Speaker 3: And then, bam, there he is. You know what I'm saying? 00:23:52 Speaker 4: And everybody's safe. 00:23:52 Speaker 1: You ain't got to follow him. Universal law put him in your hands. And that's the thing. I keep telling you, you lose when you chase. You can't chase nothing. You attract things. You don't chase them. You know what I mean? It's a difference. And you got to be able to distinguish it. And when you find yourself chasing, man, you lose. But I also think it's interesting because in the government's closing arguments, they were seen using DJ academics as a reference point. They even said at one point that, look at his face. He knows Dirk is a men to men. 00:24:33 Speaker 3: Right? 00:24:33 Speaker 4: And so. 00:24:35 Speaker 1: I think it's interesting because the first episode of Eternal Affairs, I talked about that right there. Like, yo, he playing in the middle of that. Now, later after that, academics did come out and go on the record and say, oh, it was a script, whatever. But it's too late for that now. They don't pay nothing no more. You was in the middle of that. When Tekashi 6ix9ine, because I don't want people to have revisionist history because it's so easy to do. But if we rewind, Vaughn had died. Tekashi 6ix9ine was dead in the water. Meek Mill, 21 Savage, all of those guys, according to Meek Mill on Clubhouse, had already had a position to build a Chinese wall where Tekashi would no longer be able to make money. They had even

went as far as to stop playlisting the boy because he snitched. They took him off Apple Playlist. They took him off Spotify. They took him off all these playlists. They had a coerced agenda to lock this gentleman out for quote unquote violating the code. Now, academics was pushing it. He wouldn't allow them to lock him out because he has a platform and it was quote unquote his friend. Dirk would After Vaughn died, he went and bought a jacket and put it on the Dirk lookalike of King Vaughn. He went and done different skits of King Vaughn. He was doing them every other day, going live, talking about King Vaughn. And granted, Dirk was going back at him, but academics was in the middle of it. And then Dirk went and sat with him. So to be honest, I want Dirk. I want the best for Dirk. But this is a very valuable mistake. If he never played into the whole academics thing, this case looks different as well, even with the body on the other side. You know, and so it's crazy. 00:26:36 Speaker 2: Well, I just think with that and the government saying, look at academic space, they just trying to push the narrative to match what their storyline is. 00:26:45 Speaker 3: If I were the juror, I wouldn't feed off into too much of that because that ain't evidence. That don't mean nothing. You know what I'm saying? Because look, Dirk was playing a role. 00:26:52 Speaker 2: Too and being sarcastic a little bit, making it seem a certain way, whether it is or it isn't. 00:26:59 Speaker 1: But it ain't about it being evidence. The point of it is, The point of it is that you have a gentleman who is inside of the culture that is conducting these level of interviews that the government can use this way against these gentlemen. The fact that they can have that interview there and him doing the weird shit he's doing, asking the questions that he's asking. Now, granted, they say Durden wanted to have a level of conversation. That's why I'm saying. You can't have too much of a gripe with it because it's Dirk sitting there. It ain't like a nigga went and pulled and grabbed it out the air. Dirk went up there. But I'm saying I ain't worried about whether the jury look at it or I'm just talking about the fact the federal government used it. It's importance. Even this is a level of conversation. 00:27:54 Speaker 3: Even in that it's very important to. 00:27:56 Speaker 1: Listen to this, uh, jail call that they're saying comes from some of these gentlemen. One second. It says leaked jail call from Booney saying Dirk will beat his case. 00:28:08 Speaker 5: Why Chirac humor leak this shit? 00:28:11 Speaker 3: You finna be on? 00:28:16 Speaker 4: Man, I'm taking a look at Helen, boy. 00:28:19 Speaker 3: Man. 00:28:24 Speaker 4: Why Chirac humor leak this shit? 00:28:32 Speaker 3: He's telling. I thought O.T. was going to tell. 00:28:35 Speaker 1: I don't know about it. 00:28:37 Speaker 3: Oh, my God. His show is banning me. Hold on. 00:28:46 Speaker 5: Your boy got trial this month? 00:28:48 Speaker 3: Coming up. 00:28:50 Speaker 1: So, that's Boone saying he think Dirk will beat it. And the dude was telling don't have nothing. It don't really mean nothing. You know, I don't really know, man. It's very interesting. 00:29:01 Speaker 3: You want me to tell you how I look at it? Man, I think he can end up with a hung jeweler because... One thing that Brian still did do, he said, dude, is a serial killer. Jam is a serial killer, man. You know, he been doing this. 00:29:17 Speaker 2: And he done really got tricked out there, man, by somebody thinking he was going to get some money. And it didn't go right. And now he trying to pull everybody in. You understand what I'm saying? So the juror could be real confused, man. and don't know what to do. So the longer it take, it's better for him cause they confused it's a lot of stuff they gotta encase and they didn't give them no transcripts to study off of and go back so you got to go back off your memory you know and whatever sticks out. 00:29:46 Speaker 1: To them the most and I think what'll stick out to them because you right that's important they didn't give them a transcript to take back to deliberate with But what happens is what I think will stick out to them is you have the Vani stuff where that phone call with him saying he going to act on the stand, that'll probably stick out. You know, the serial killer shit probably stick out. But also some of that shit Jam them said probably stick out. But you can't get over the fact that if they lying, you finna send this dude to jail forever. 00:30:23 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the whole key. 00:30:25 Speaker 1: Ain't no in-between. They ain't leave y'all no room. They didn't leave, yo, he can get 10 years if y'all think he, you know, least knew about it. They said they went all or nothing, all their chips on the board. If you don't think he done it, he get to walk. If he done it, he gone forever. 00:30:43 Speaker 3: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 00:30:45 Speaker 2: Look, these dudes already done admitted, you know what I'm saying? One of them is a serial killer. 00:30:49 Speaker 3: One of them is a scammer. You know, these boys are violent. You know what I mean? They done admitted to it. 00:30:54 Speaker 2: Do we want to put this Grammy-winning artist away, this man, just off of what these dudes had undone and then later come back and saying that he the one that supplied everything? 00:31:06 Speaker 3: Do they really want to do that? 00:31:08 Speaker 1: And then he around after Dirk get found guilty, he might go do interviews and shit saying, Yeah, I sent them away. That ain't even how it really went. Like, you don't know what them might end up doing. You know what I'm saying? Them might go left, man, because them plotting on getting out. And also, I want to speak on this, because my spider sense is calling bullshit on all these blogs posting this OTF Jam message. That ain't no motherfucking OTF Jam page. You know what I'm saying? People think it is, and

that's low-level games. They'd have brought that up in court immediately. That ain't no motherfucking OTF jam page, and all these blogs posted and ran with it and never corrected themselves. And that's another thing I think Drew Finley is irresponsible. For all of the bad shit that academics has done as it pertains to Dirk in this trial and as it pertains to this case, why would he get up there and say academics is like the Oprah Winfrey of hip-hop? So that means so that means if he said Dirk got Kwon Do's friend killed, which he said several times, I should take that for what it's worth. Do you know the accolades that Oprah Winfrey has? Do you know the. Road traveled of Oprah Winfrey. I believe that that was a misstep for him to say that. Yeah, it was a slap in the face. And it was a misjudge on a culture that you really not from. You really not from black culture. So you misreading this wrong. If you think academics is Oprah, homie, what the fuck was that? Academics is through your client under the bus, probably more than any other media person with that level of platform. Nobody else is on the phone. Camera with a judge uniform on saying Dirk is cooked. Dirk done it. Dirk did it. Oh shit. I seen it. He was naming his albums almost healed because he was killing everybody. Like you got to remember and cite your sources and not just try to get to a repost. You understand? Because that was disrespectful if you ask me. 00:33:25 Speaker 3: Right. 00:33:26 Speaker 2: Man, I'll be telling Drew them, man, as soon as it's over with, man, I need that money back, man. 00:33:31 Speaker 3: You can keep a little bit, man. Yeah, you underperformed, bro. You know what I mean? 00:33:35 Speaker 4: But. 00:33:36 Speaker 2: You know, you go back to some things we used to talk about in the past, though. See, sometimes certain lawyers, the courts have let them win a case, man, that's not winnable. 00:33:48 Speaker 3: You know what I mean? 00:33:48 Speaker 2: Whether it's violence or murder case or murder case. Because what this is going to do is, say somebody kills somebody at the corner store and they started witnesses and the camera, you know, catching the footage. 00:34:00 Speaker 3: And then this man beat the case. 00:34:02 Speaker 2: Every single killer and aggravated assaulter going to get that lawyer who beat that case. And now we got the net open where we can really grab who we've been trying to catch. You know, we're going to let you win on something you can't win, but it's going, all the people we trying to get out here going to come to you and then you're going to have to give us who we need, you know, and that's just how that kind of stuff operates. 00:34:24 Speaker 1: And let me say this. I think, I think Drew has done a pretty good job. You know, um, I do think that he has a lot of marketing attached to him. He's a good lawyer, but I just think he misspoke. When he said on the record that academics is Opal Winfrey of hip-hop, you're not from black culture. You probably don't even listen to rap music. Just because you defend rap guys, you don't understand the culture from that perspective. And I say that respectfully to Drew. He's representing a lot of my friends and people that I know, so I'm not disrespecting him. She's very accomplished and iconic, and I don't think, you know, it's his place to put someone that's getting on there with a judge uniform on or a cop uniform on next to some, you know, one-eyed black female greats. Yeah, they ain't in the same bracket, and that's respectfully to what the little homie academics done built. You know, you done your little thing over there, but you know what I'm saying? Oprah is a totally different thing, and... And accuracy that Oprah, just the standard Oprah was held to, right? Just the accuracy, the journalism, the integrity, like, come on, man, let's ease off of the. You know, let's ease off of the brown nose in a little bit. You know what I'm saying? 00:35:45 Speaker 2: I ain't, you know, I don't got no disrespect or nothing for Drew, but I'm going to just keep it solid. 00:35:50 Speaker 3: You know, he just was out of his league on this case, man. 00:35:52 Speaker 2: And it's better just swallowing your ego. And, man, let me get this dude up off of here. Let me go call some other top national lawyers that he might not know about this good on. you know, complicated cases, conspiracy, and you go get some of them guys, man, and bring them on in. 00:36:09 Speaker 1: Nah, you know what I think, though? I think it was the right decision for Dirk to get Drew and Brian because this is what I know, is that Dirk probably slept at night comfortable. You know what I'm saying? Thinking like, yeah, my life on the line, but I got two of them that everybody know is them. You know what I mean? And I got confidence in them. Because the unknown is more scarier than, you know what I'm saying? Like, the unknown is a gamble. Like, I know you can get some people good. Maybe you should have added a third. Somebody that just specializes in money. 00:36:47 Speaker 2: You got to go get the right help that you're not good at to hold that end up for you, man, because. 00:36:54 Speaker 3: You're playing with somebody's life and they put the money up, man. 00:36:57 Speaker 2: We got what you're asking for. Do you need a little more to go get the help, man? Go on and go get the help, man. What you talking about, man? You know, and it's just business, man. 00:37:05 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? I don't care. 00:37:06 Speaker 2: Look, if you ain't that good on it, but see, I'd have been, you know, I'd have been hitting them like, look, whatever, you ain't good. We need to go get that piece, you know. whatever that piece we need to add to this engine to make sure this thing running precise let's do that you know. 00:37:19 Speaker 1: I don't want you to you know what else i think i think if you would if you're a rapper in this game and you really come from like a real

gang or you really come from some you know i mean some extracurricular activities some skits outside You should never be caught in no picture throwing up no gang signs. Like, you got to know, like, you really come from it. 00:37:43 Speaker 4: It's different. 00:37:43 Speaker 1: Now, if you playing rapper and you ain't really come from it, and maybe a couple of your guys did, that's cool. Y'all got to push somebody out there that's clean, though. If a nigga dirty, he really can't be out there rapping about that shit no more and all that. That shit dead. It's over with. 00:38:00 Speaker 3: Mm-hmm. 00:38:00 Speaker 2: And then, you know, everybody learn something from this, though. You know, I think Dirk going to be all right. I think he's going to slip it through. You know what I mean? 00:38:08 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I think, too? Before you say that, I think it's going to be a not guilty because it's taking long. That's really where I'm leaning. I'm leaning to a not guilty because it's taking long. 00:38:19 Speaker 3: If you can just get one. 00:38:20 Speaker 1: Not even a not guilty. Just what? Just him. 00:38:23 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:38:24 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:38:24 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:38:25 Speaker 4: I think. 00:38:25 Speaker 3: Now you got to do. Now do y'all want to try this again? And now if a. 00:38:29 Speaker 2: Hung jury appears, now you can go back in there and then you got to change. Cause the track will be put off another six, eight months or a year. You know, I've laid in that three, four years to get out of a life sentence. 00:38:42 Speaker 3: I ain't in no rush. You know, I'm good. 00:38:43 Speaker 2: I just need to get back out. You know, and that gives you a whole new game plan, you know. So whatever mistakes you've made in this first trial, the government also gets a chance to tighten it up, too. But so does the defense. 00:38:56 Speaker 3: And as long as we can keep getting a hung juror out this shit. 00:38:59 Speaker 4: And guess what, though? 00:39:00 Speaker 1: Here's the reality of it. If they get a hung juror, they're going to file the charges right back. Yeah, but the thing is, if I ain't mistaken. 00:39:09 Speaker 3: Look this up. 00:39:10 Speaker 2: Look this up real quick while I'm speaking on it. I think when you got a hung jury, I don't know if you can use the same exact evidence. I think the government going to have to find something different. But just look that up just to make sure. Because if that's the case, if they put anything on the line right. 00:39:26 Speaker 3: Then, what do you have now? Well, just kind of look it up and see in the home jewelry. 00:39:33 Speaker 1: If they can, do you think they fade them again? 00:39:36 Speaker 3: Yeah, they're going to fade them again. Yeah, hell yeah. Everybody eating. Everybody eating. 00:39:40 Speaker 2: And it was serious what happened. You know, this was serious what took place. 00:39:45 Speaker 3: Yeah, they'll fade it again. But, you know, people start getting tired and worn out, man. You know what I'm saying? 00:39:51 Speaker 2: And if a home jury, you know, takes place, hey, Drew, go take this thing serious. Hey, man, go get some more help, man. This man life on the line. You know, we want the boys back out here. You know, we need them back out here, man. 00:40:04 Speaker 3: You know, take care of your business, man. 00:40:08 Speaker 1: So what it says is, yes, they can use the same evidence. It also says that if Lil Durk cannot reach a unanimous verdict, a hung jury, it does not mean he wins the case. The judge may send the jury back to deliberate more. The judge can give what's commonly called an alien charge, basically encouraging jurors to keep trying to reach a unanimous decision without abandoning the honest beliefs. And it says, if they still cannot agree, the judge can declare a mistrial on whatever counts are deadlocked. The government can retry dirt. A hung jury does not trigger double jeopardy protection. So prosecutors can bring the same unresolved charges to another jury. Not guilty on a high count plus hung jury on stalking. He permanently beats the acquitted count, but prosecutors could retry. the unresolved count. So if they come back guilty on one and not guilty on another one, or I'm sorry, guilty on one and hung on another one. So that's, that's also can be a possibility back there where they can be already guilty on something and on something else. They ain't guilty on. They hung on one part. So they can come back hung on the stalking and guilty on them or vice versa. What do you think about that? So they can't use the same evidence. 00:41:39 Speaker 3: I think they're going to be hugged on everything. 00:41:42 Speaker 2: You know, I just think his status and what's going on with him and just how sloppy everything was done and the individuals that done it. You know, I just think it all weighs on. 00:41:54 Speaker 3: That, man. Do we want to get rid of this man? Do we really want to get rid of this man? 00:41:59 Speaker 1: Another part I think had them too is Kanye West showing up because... Even the jury says something about that. Can we talk about Ye being here? You know, that kind of shit, you know, burns in their mind. They ain't got no transcripts. Nigga, all they members, Ye showing up, dude up there, you know, saying this, the serial killer, just the buzzwords. You know what I'm saying? They back there remembering bullshit. 00:42:24 Speaker 3: Let me ask you this, though. He is a serial killer. 00:42:29 Speaker 2: Getting on the stands, trying to give up information to get out and get back on the streets. Do we really want to make this happen and this serial killer get back out on the streets? 00:42:40 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was hard, Brian Steele. That was hard, Brian Steele framed it like that. So that's, again, that's what I'm saying. This is what I mean when I'm saying Brian Steele is a lead attorney. In his closing arguments, instead of him playing, He went ahead

and framed this guy. Give you something to think about when you go back there. Hey, this dude a serial killer, man. Y'all going to let him back out? I guarantee he going to kill somebody. That's all he do. That's what he does is violence and things. So if y'all going to let him out, y'all going to let him get on the stand and get out? Not only to do this again, but how can you trust that? But I still think the prosecution shot back at him with the he blaming all them but them his guys. It's like It's like saying, man, that broad you got with you, man, that whole shit, man, that whole done fucked everything. Or it's like you talking about your broad. Ho, you ran through. You live with me. I'm your broad. 00:43:40 Speaker 2: But before Lil Durk ever met him, he got by because he's been doing stuff. 00:43:44 Speaker 3: So he's been doing this. 00:43:46 Speaker 1: Yeah, they established that too. But they should have shot that down though. But you can't shoot it. Well, yeah, they could have shot that down. They could have shot that down. Well, I don't know. I think they said that in their rebuttal. See, that's the thing about this shit, bro. They so crafty, man, that they knew that don't put that in the first part because they can rebut that. But the last voice they're going to hear is ours. And this is what we're going to say at the last part. You know what I mean? That was hard, man. But I do think the serial killer element, the serial killer element is a great conversation, though. The fact that the jury has to battle back there with someone they trust, because I would assume they trust Brian Steele, because if I'm going by what's being reported, every time he's speaking, they're attentive, they're paying attention. Sometimes they wave off when other people are up there. But when Brian Steele is there, that is star power. That is one of the top lawyers in the country. And so Their ears and eyes are perked. And so what happens is he framed this guy as a serial killer. When y'all go back to deliberate, man, that's just hard to wrestle with, man. That's like Jeffrey Domino. 00:44:58 Speaker 3: And a scammer. And a scammer. 00:45:00 Speaker 2: Professional liar and scammer and serial killer. But you know what else is kind of messed up too, though? 00:45:08 Speaker 3: Dead. Okay. The jury going to have to deliberate. Let me say this first. 00:45:14 Speaker 2: They can't come back too quick because it's too much to intake and process, man. 00:45:18 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? There ain't going to be no decision this week. You know, it's just not going to happen, man, because it's too much and it's too much at stake. 00:45:26 Speaker 2: You know, and then you got to look at how quick Jam jumped on the airplane with no clothes. 00:45:32 Speaker 3: You got to send my note what's going on, man. You just ain't going to... If they call you and come out the cabin, you going to buy him some clothes, man. 00:45:39 Speaker 2: So it's the little details like that that a person, that's a juror, got to really think about. 00:45:44 Speaker 1: I'm saying, what you saying, though? Because I... What do you think that means? 00:45:48 Speaker 3: I mean, he's willing to do anything. Dude is out here doing whatever, man. That's what I'm trying to say. 00:45:53 Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, yeah. 00:45:54 Speaker 2: He's out here doing whatever, man, and with whoever, whenever. And so I don't know if we can just put this on dirt. Did he really, you know, do that? 00:46:02 Speaker 1: What would you do? Like, if I had to do closing arguments, I would probably frame Jam as like Steel did, like a serial killer, like a guy that's a little insane, that's very loose, and you know, not a law-abiding citizen, just, you know, Wild Willa, you know what I'm saying? And so you'll get far with that because I think it makes sense. 00:46:28 Speaker 2: And he got to be a little slow because you just letting anybody tell you anything and make you move and go do something. 00:46:35 Speaker 1: I wouldn't present it like he's slow. I would present it like they want y'all to believe, I would present it like, nah, it's thousands of people listening. It ain't us talking now. Yeah, but what I would probably say is he wants y'all to believe. But see, I don't know. You can't argue that side, then call him a serial killer, though. 00:47:03 Speaker 3: But you know what? 00:47:04 Speaker 2: Now that all the stuff is undigested, the little stuff of putting your sister's location out and hoping something happened to her because. 00:47:11 Speaker 3: You was angry. 00:47:12 Speaker 2: See, this dude is sporadic and spontaneous, man. He'll do anything. He really ain't to be trusted. No matter if he say he love you or not, you know, he'll do something to you if he ain't getting his way or if his mind trigger or click the wrong way on, you know, this particular day, man. 00:47:28 Speaker 3: So I think all that, man, he ain't taking all that stuff. 00:47:31 Speaker 2: Man you know can we really go on these dudes you know and how he been out here living you know and that's just what i don't. 00:47:37 Speaker 1: Think they're gonna go i don't think they're gonna go into monday i don't think man. 00:47:41 Speaker 2: That thing might go all the way through next week darn yeah man you know i wouldn't be surprised i wouldn't be surprised man if they rushing. 00:47:50 Speaker 3: They just trying to get on out of. 00:47:52 Speaker 1: There not the way they rushing but i think i think by friday they ain't gonna try to come back in there monday I think somebody going to convince somebody here. No, I think. 00:48:02 Speaker 2: So what, when you say they coming back Friday, I'm going to say next week sometime because this shit is serious, man. 00:48:08 Speaker 3: This shit is complicated. This is not the intake. And I just can't make no quick decision like it. 00:48:13 Speaker 2: If I'm sitting in there, I got to break this all down and make sure, you know, I

ain't messing over somebody. 00:48:19 Speaker 1: And, you know, see the problem is the, the, the stakes is so high. And that's why I'm giving it some time because, uh, The stakes are extremely high. The government played this game where, again, they pushed all their chips to the table. Like, yo, if he's guilty, he's gone forever. It ain't no, you know what I'm saying, the boy done. So, you know, you got to wrestle with that. Like, it ain't like he get 10 years, he'll be okay. He'll see his family again. Like, they wrestling with all of that. Like, you send this dude away. If he's convicted for this murder for hire based on what you– could believe to be a serial killer, a liar, and a robber or a car thief. Here's another thing I heard people say. Vonnie called himself snitching. This is what I find so disheartening and heartbreaking, is that he got up there and done all that to Dirk, but guess what they said? He didn't give up none of his car theft shit. The Feds didn't make him give up none of the car theft ring shit. You know what I mean? And that's what he was really... involved in. That really was his move. You know what I mean? 00:49:24 Speaker 2: Man, King Von, baby, mama might have killed that. She might have killed Von. Because if you was living with somebody who you say is your alleged cousin, and then he died, and then you wiped the account out, that's not something to do with these keys. 00:49:40 Speaker 3: Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah, they might let him sit on and, you know, people love the kids. Yeah, that might help right there. 00:49:48 Speaker 2: That was serious right now, you know, after I processed and digested all that. Right then at the moment, it might have flew over people's heads. But once you really get back and sit and think about that, and then you add it to this main character, you. 00:50:01 Speaker 3: Know, the scammer, you know, he's a thief. He wiped somebody out of town out there with his loved one, and Yeah, that ain't good, man. You know what I'm saying? 00:50:10 Speaker 2: Do we really want to take his word and let him get back out here? Do we want to take Jam's word and let them get back out here and put the Grammy Award, the Grammy went away forever, and let them get. 00:50:20 Speaker 3: Back out here with him? 00:50:21 Speaker 1: And then you got to put the Grammy Award went away forever who didn't pull the trigger. You know what I'm saying? That's another thing you wrestle with. It's like, yeah, for hire means for hire, and I do have to take the instructions as they're delivered from the judge, but it's like, Yo, so we gonna let the people that pulled the trigger go. And they dirty people. Y'all just admitted. Everybody in the court agreed these gentlemen are like killers, robbers, whatever they are. Y'all gonna let them go. And y'all gonna keep Dirk who didn't pull the trigger and who y'all saying is behind this. I mean, it's a lot for the jury to wrestle with. Here's another conversation I want to

have. Do you think that they fought a good case with the you know, their position was, you know, Vonnie, you know, who had already pled guilty to this, had all of the motivation. And he's the one without Dirk even knowing Vonnie was the one that pushed the buttons on all of this, him and the rest of these gentlemen. Do you think that that was a good defense to have? 00:51:31 Speaker 3: I mean, you got to have some type of defense. And, you know, he was out there. You understand what I'm saying? Pushing the buttons, making the moves, getting the calls, you know, whether he was instructive or not, you know, they didn't prove that. You understand what I'm saying? 00:51:46 Speaker 1: Not even about, I'm asking you. 00:51:48 Speaker 3: Was it a good defense though? 00:51:49 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a good defense because that's all you can do. 00:51:53 Speaker 1: So you think that was the only defense to use? What other defenses do you see that they even could have used? Because I think that, you know what I'm saying, the fact that, yo, they done this. He had access to the money. He a thief. He be stealing money, man. So he, I think that was the, basically, here's the defense that they had. Yo, this dude here who already pled guilty to doing this is a thief. He had access to Dirk's money. He had the motivation to do it. He told the to do it. He knew most of the guys. you know, and kind of was involved with it. He was the one following him. He was there, you know, so it's all of that. I mean, that was basically the position of Dirk's defense on this, but I think there's other ways you could have went about it, but it's probably was the best way to go about it. I mean, because Dirk was, Dirk was involved, you know, I think is, is you can't separate him from it. You know what I mean? A hundred percent, you know what I mean? And so, He's dangerously close to it, but you got to create distance from the actual event and him acknowledging it. He never acknowledged it. He never texted about it. He never sent no money. They was harassing him for all I know what money. These niggas talking about some money. You know, because see, what they should establish here, one thing for sure, Dirk ain't got no money problems. He go his bills for the last five years. They ain't never late. If he owe somebody, he pay them. There was no established payment. There was nothing coming from Dirk. When you made a beat, did you get paid? Yeah, I got paid. When you wrote for him, when you did this, when you shot his videos, did you get paid? Yeah, I got paid. Did he pay your bill? Yeah, I got paid. See, all of that, if you ask, see, these are other things that can help if you're asking me, but I think the judge was very tight-lipped when he was talking about, hey, we ain't wasting no lot of time. So they had to be kind of like, they had to trim a lot of the fat off. But if Dirk owes somebody, I think we need to establish that fact. Yo, if Dirk owed people, he'd pay them. And we're not saying that to admit that he paid these gentlemen or any of the transactions that was made was for this money, but You see they had to keep asking for money. There's no one in Dirk's life that's in that position. You know what I'm saying? Nobody's going to have to keep asking him for something that he owe them, you know? So, you know, the Mahal thing, I think it's distance between that, but I do think it was a good defense. Maybe it was the best defense, you know what I mean? 00:54:30 Speaker 2: And then another key thing today, I'm going to give them credit right here. 00:54:33 Speaker 3: They made the game dirty. They muddied it up. They muddied it up. 00:54:38 Speaker 2: You know, they muddied it up and they put these people on the stand and, you. 00:54:42 Speaker 3: Know, they just made it muddy. It wasn't no clean, straight fight. They just made it. 00:54:46 Speaker 2: Muddy, you know, to do the best they could to put that doubt in the jurors' head. You understand what I'm saying? So, you know, they did a good job with that, you know. And, you know, and that's on the jury, man. And I just think it's a lot of in-between factors. You know, even them saying Dirk was on FaceTime and got the flights booked, this and that. 00:55:06 Speaker 3: You know, it just sounds good. But once you really sit back, like right there at the moment, you know, it. 00:55:10 Speaker 2: Might sound like it's possibly true. But then at the end of the day, you haven't got no proof of this. And I can't go on that. I can't just say that's what he did. 00:55:18 Speaker 1: And I think the instructions are clear when they're talking to the jurors. Like, yo, you need to see proof. If you think it, that's not enough. If you feel like it is not enough, you have to see proof, you know. And that's where it is. It's distance because he never gave them the money. So all you stupid out there, he supposed to pay them. Now, did they look at him like a weenie because they charged them a half a million, a million? They asking for that kind of money? I don't think they should be asking for that. You know, you can go get the Russians for that kind of money. You can go get the real Navy SEAL and take care of something for a meal ticket. He could have laid down with the when he got Bin Laden for a million. You think he'll get from old block in Chicago a million? Man, you crazy, man. But I think it is distant. 00:56:11 Speaker 2: But allegedly, if I am putting a million on the floor, you know, it's for everybody just to get a little something. 00:56:17 Speaker 3: I don't want nobody to be left out. I ain't doing that. 00:56:20 Speaker 1: I ain't doing that, bro. Like, I put a million on the floor about something else, but If I need a high priority, you know, and of course, I'm in content land. Of course, I would never do none of this kind of shit or even be involved in none of this. Yeah, but we're just making content. But if we're in that type of scenario and I had to write a movie

about something like that, I will make sure that the gentleman that I go get to handle a high priority. is worth a half a million or a million dollars. It's going to be a real hit, man, after you, buddy. It's going to be a bald-headed Russian looking for you, boy, with a little bitty leather jacket on that you can't stay up through. You understand me? 00:57:01 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:57:01 Speaker 1: I'm going to have a bad looking for you for a half a ticket. I ain't going to have Jam looking for you for it. Bruh, come on, man. I ain't having Jam them looking for you for no million dollars on the floor, man. You lying to me, man. 00:57:16 Speaker 2: And then here's another thing. All them dudes who was in between, you know, the boom and mo's. 00:57:23 Speaker 3: And this and that. 00:57:24 Speaker 2: And, you know, they could have orchestrated that without me knowing that. You understand what I'm saying? And the jurors got to factor that in. Yeah, and the jurors got to factor that in. They couldn't do all this without me even. 00:57:38 Speaker 3: Knowing, you know. And they got to factor that in, man. And I just think he got to change, you know. If the jurors look at things truthfully and honestly, you know, he got a chance, you know. To me, he do, you know. 00:57:53 Speaker 2: You know, because it's easy to say a lot of things that might seem like once you get off to yourself. 00:57:58 Speaker 3: In the reality, you think about it. It just ain't all the way there. 00:58:02 Speaker 1: And this is also why I say it's dangerous. And, you know, hopefully God covers people to have to be involved in a judicial process where they don't engage in that. Just a lot of content, man, because see the content to make you look at things so juvenile. And so cavalier, you know what I'm saying? When these are real situations, that's why the jury got to be back there really drilling this down. Like, yo, if we go back out there with a guilty, it ain't just for the academics interview or the academics content. Like somebody goes away forever. You understand me now? We do want justice for the victim as well. So we also got to weigh that in, you know, but here's the thing. Here's a good conversation. Is justice already served with, Vonnie and those guys already pleading guilty to them. Like, is that justice already? Or does Dirk have to go down for people to feel like justice, quote unquote, is served? 00:59:04 Speaker 3: I mean, justice is already served. 00:59:06 Speaker 2: Them guys admitted to some advantages seem like once they read. the seriousness of those sins that they be. 00:59:12 Speaker 3: Facing right we gonna die in hell waiting to hold. 00:59:15 Speaker 1: And I wonder why I wonder why they didn't say that man that's a powerful because again some of these taglines you know and again I criticize Drew for having that tagline he had but if you have the right taglines which he had a few of those too I think they are powerful But if you could let them know, hey, justice has already been served. Why are we finna serve it again on this man right here? Gonna send him away forever? And I think Brian Steele did say something like that in his closing arguments. I think he said, what are we doing here? Jam already admitted to the money. Vonnie already admitted to it. What are we doing? Why are y'all here? They're wasting y'all time. Like, I think that's how Brian Steele was kicking it. Yo, I think... if we're looking at it from a justice needs to be served standpoint, the person that pulled the trigger has already pled guilty. So I'm wondering, is that enough for the family? I guess the family will be end all be all as to how they feel about that. But I think from a public standpoint, I think it's not unfair to say justice has been served by the person that pulled the trigger pleading guilty. You know, because we have been told to deal with far less than that in the ghetto and say, hey, justice been served. He got three years for killing your son. Deal with it. That's justice. 01:00:36 Speaker 4: You know, so. Go ahead. 01:00:40 Speaker 1: Go, go, go. 01:00:42 Speaker 2: Yeah, just as it may serve, but, you know, but Dirk was a target because of. 01:00:46 Speaker 3: His music and the things he was saying and the things he was saying. And so that made him a target. And we know they always like to go for everything and be greedy and try to get it all. 01:00:55 Speaker 2: And I just think that's what they went after him, you know, because why not? He's this little Dirk, you know, he's on top of the world, you know. 01:01:04 Speaker 3: And they came out there, man. You know, why not? We don't have anything to lose. 01:01:07 Speaker 2: And these dudes don't get up here. We don't spook them with the light. You know, they ain't no telling what they was saying to them boys. 01:01:14 Speaker 3: And they, you're going to kill y'all for this. Yeah, y'all getting in that chair. Yeah. The jealous little dirt got something to do with it. If he got something to do with it now, that'll get you out that chair. 01:01:23 Speaker 4: Yeah. 01:01:24 Speaker 3: They coming with all that. 01:01:25 Speaker 1: Yeah, they come with the high-level boo game. 01:01:28 Speaker 3: And then you got to think, Viney don't have no record. You know, they knew that coming in now. He ain't got no record. Yeah, this the weak link. 01:01:35 Speaker 2: Yeah, you finna get that needle. 01:01:37 Speaker 3: We don't even do the chill no more. 01:01:40 Speaker 1: You think they came with him with the boo game. 01:01:42 Speaker 3: Come on, man. Y'all done came from Chicago. Five of y'all gang members. Man, you getting in that chill. You understand what I'm saying? 01:01:51 Speaker 1: Man, they said that. I went to telling them, I know everything about Dirk. His social security number. I know his credit card by heart. I know everything about him. I said, see, that's why. You know, I always tell you, man, you know, one part of the game that I have to

tell, you got to be by yourself most times. You can't let no nothing. You can't let them know nothing. When they know something, it's a disadvantage. And you got to let them know what you want them to know. You can't be completely secret because that's a disadvantage. But you got to be careful with what you let them know. I wonder how did Vonnie work his way into being Dirk's right-hand man. Do anybody know that? 01:02:34 Speaker 2: Man, he probably just one of them little cool, little slick, little dudes. And, you know, sometimes people have a take into them kind of guys and. 01:02:42 Speaker 3: Just pull them in. And, you know, they know they ain't going to do nothing. But he know how to steal cars. He know how to steal. He's going to get the shit that they need. Probably had some little lines, you know. He can go get the work of the gorillas. Ain't nobody finna serve the gorillas who snack and shit. You know, hey, I can't go bring that to do, you feel me? But I get little Viney come get it, you know what I'm saying, type shit. 01:03:04 Speaker 2: But just when what you was saying with how he just got to say he can tell you every time, that let you know they put out a whole bunch of pressure for him to say all that. 01:03:12 Speaker 3: They put a whole bunch of pressure on him, and they didn't record that. 01:03:16 Speaker 1: What did they actually get Viney for? What was he arrested for? Like, how did he even get pulled in? So they pulled him in for questioning, and he broke. 01:03:26 Speaker 2: Jam probably told him, man, Viney can't call. He got us the guns, this and that. 01:03:30 Speaker 3: And shit, he put the pressure on Viney. You know what I'm saying? 01:03:34 Speaker 4: So get what? 01:03:35 Speaker 3: Viney was... Damn, man. 01:03:38 Speaker 1: Viney was King Vine, cuz, and that's how he met him. 01:03:45 Speaker 4: Damn. 01:03:46 Speaker 1: So he got that Vine cosign. That's why I don't let... Get my cosign, man, because I'm going to bless you in because of my face. You know what I'm saying? They going to put you right in the car with them. Just because he came alone, now let home in. But see, you might got your own agendas, and you got your own bad character traits, and you stealing, lying, backbiting, and talk behind their back and shit. You just decide what kind of n * * * a, you know what I mean? So that's a mistake, man. But damn, I know it's easy to make it because he come through a real n * * * a. You know what I'm saying? Man, that's f * * * ed up. A sucker come through a real n * * * a. 01:04:25 Speaker 3: But soon as something go wrong, they're going to say, yeah, he brought him around. Yeah, Lou brought him around. Yeah, that's his home, boy. 01:04:31 Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying? 01:04:32 Speaker 2: You know, because they're going to be looking for somebody to put the blame on. 01:04:35 Speaker 1: And so you dirty your face up when you do that. But it's, man. That's how he got in with them, though. He got in with them. And this happens in the neighborhood a lot, a lot, a lot. This happens in the neighborhood. A nigga come around with a nigga solid... a n * * * a that's solid and he automatically get the cosign of the n * * * a that's solid now this is why Dirk shouldn't have gave him the automatic cosign cause guess why cause they family so that mean Vaughn didn't put him through no vetting process we was born next to each other You know what I'm saying? We grew up. We was really cousins. Like, we really family. Like, mama's his sisters or whatever. Daddy's his brothers, whatever it is. So that mean I ain't got no vetting process for him. Ain't no background check. He automatically blessed in next to me. So it's different. It's different than I met him in the street and I kind of got him next to me. Now that's my real road dog. I done vetted him. I probably done been through something with him. Vonnie was next to Von because they was family. But Dirk made the mistake of letting Vaughn in because of Vaughn. And that happens in the neighborhood. 01:05:48 Speaker 3: Right. 01:05:48 Speaker 2: And I wonder if King Vaughn ever let him know. You know, cuz, I ain't really like that. 01:05:52 Speaker 3: He don't be on that. You know, that's just something we don't know. 01:05:55 Speaker 2: And if he did bring it to Dirk's attention and he still let him in, then, you know. 01:05:59 Speaker 1: Cuz Vaughn knew that. Vaughn knew. 01:06:01 Speaker 4: Yeah. 01:06:02 Speaker 3: Yeah, Vaughn knew, but did Dirk really know it? You understand what I'm saying? He might didn't know it. 01:06:07 Speaker 2: And then once the ball get the road and he been around for a period of time and then bam, Vaughn gone. This dude been around enough and he kind of small. He got books since he can help me keep up with some. 01:06:17 Speaker 3: Stuff, you know, but I don't really know. He's a cold thief. Well, I know he a cold thief, but... What's next? Are there more charges coming? Is there another RICO coming? I think a lot of. 01:06:28 Speaker 2: People are speculating that there's probably a RICO coming. There's probably more things even coming. 01:06:52 Speaker 1: After this, whether he is guilty or innocent. If he's guilty, it probably makes it worse because they're going to wrap this into evidence to prove him guilty on other shit. But either way, people feel like that there's more to come with this Lil Durk situation. 01:07:10 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a strong possibility, man. 01:07:12 Speaker 2: You know, while we got this thing open, let's go and just try to clean all this up and get all these dudes out the way. You know, we don't want to leave no man standing behind. You understand what I'm saying? And some of them could be allegedly already locked up on other things. 01:07:25 Speaker 3: You know, we just waiting. We know what it is. We don't come scooping in the time. Right. 01:07:30 Speaker 2: You know, and it's a lot, you know, it's a lot of pressure on folks right now, you

know, so they need to be getting low, you know, getting little as possible and staying. 01:07:37 Speaker 3: Out the way. 01:07:38 Speaker 1: And I'm going to be honest, if, if, If this breaks, I'm going to wrap up in a second, but if it breaks, I'm going to record at the house or wherever it break at before I put it out. If it breaks before I drop this, but I at least think it'll go into Friday late. late friday if it does not go if it goes in the next week that's that's really interesting that's what it really is. 01:08:03 Speaker 3: They really think it they really. 01:08:05 Speaker 2: Think it man because this is complicated it's complicated man it's complex man there's a lot of people involved. 01:08:11 Speaker 1: But see i think the judge has already set the tone and i don't i don't like that he done that and i think you know even if dirk loses because we haven't even approached that so there's there's two things here number one I think the judge has already set the tone in the courtroom where he wants to move fast, and I don't think that's fair. You know what I'm saying? I think that's completely unfair. 01:08:32 Speaker 2: Even though the judge set the tone, man, them people. 01:08:35 Speaker 3: In there doing what they want to do. You know, they might say, we're supposed to go by this, but look, man, we can't even go by that. I don't even understand that right there, what they're saying, go by. So we got to go by what we think, what we heard, and, you know, and blah, blah, blah. 01:08:47 Speaker 2: You know, and they could come back not guilty. They could come back a whole jury, you know, just because the judge said so. That don't mean they just don't really go by that, because if they do come to an unanimous decision, whether it's I'm. 01:08:50 Speaker 3: Right now waiting on a decision from the jury as it pertains to Lil Durk. 01:08:54 Speaker 2: So while we'll wait there, I want to talk about one more thing before I leave out of here. 01:09:17 Speaker 1: Adam 22 and Lena the Plug has broken up. For people out there that don't know what's going on with Adam and Lena, they have had a longstanding relationship, both successful in their own right. Adam has been on this show. I think I want to get him back on now. I think it's a great time to talk to him. I know he's been wanting to talk to me for a while. I've been dubbing it, but I'll probably get him on at some point. But Adam and Lena has now separated. Adam has flew real close to the sun as it pertains to his wife. He's been known to allow her because they participate in porn to sleep with black men and encounter situations that you would normally a traditional relationship wouldn't see. And so people have always wondered how long will it last? Is she not feeling them anymore? Once you go black, you don't go back and all these different things. And they have flirted with the idea sometimes that, yo, I'm losing her to the black man and things of that nature because it would help boost sales. But behind the scenes, there's quietly been a fight going on between Adam and Lena. I usually don't speak on people's relationships, but because this is public and I think there's a teachable moment here, I'm going to listen to Adam 22 break down some of the scenario as to why him and his wife no longer are together. And we're just going to talk about relationships in general. We're going to talk about expectations from men, from women, and things of that nature. Let's take a listen to what Adam 22 said as he addressed him and his long-term wife of 10 years breaking up or being separated. 01:10:56 Speaker 5: If she had had her way, I would have kept the split secretive. and we would have like worked on our issues behind the scenes. And what I told her is, you can't expect me to not be in a relationship. 01:11:10 Speaker 4: With you and to keep it secret. 01:11:12 Speaker 5: I need these hoes to know that I'm on the market. I can't just be secretly, cause you know, it's like, then I'll be like talking to girls and they act like a certain way to me because they think I'm married. And they don't want to offend her. She's like a hero to a lot of these hoes. So, um, yeah, that was, that was her kind of way of seeing it pan out. I think she really just didn't want to talk to her about it with like her family and her friends. 01:11:36 Speaker 4: Like, I feel like she didn't want to have to explain, especially to her family. 01:11:38 Speaker 5: I feel like her family is going to judge her relatively harshly for it. 01:11:44 Speaker 4: Whereas with me, I mean, nobody judged me. I mean, my, my family, I guess. 01:11:49 Speaker 3: Yeah. 01:11:50 Speaker 4: Like my mom's a little sad or whatever, but you know, I feel like if anything, uh, I don't know. I'm happy. I feel good. 01:11:57 Speaker 6: You don't think that strategy is kind of like making it clear, like there is no going back, like I'm on the market. Whereas if you did keep it a secret, it's more so like, we're just working on some things. Yeah, it's rocky, but you know, I'm not going to make a final call. 01:12:12 Speaker 4: I'm going to be real with you. 01:12:13 Speaker 5: My, in my belief is that Lena needs some time to to gain some perspective on what the last 10 years of our relationship have been. 01:12:27 Speaker 1: So basically the conversation I want to kind of have is number one, inviting other people in the bedroom and how I think it can see that. That's why I think there's a double standard in place because dudes bring women in the bedroom and they act like it doesn't affect the relationship. But if another man comes in the bedroom, and he deals with your woman without you there, of course, like, if he is having relations with your woman, I feel like it rips something away from her. Like, you know what I mean? I feel like it breaks some kind of bond, man, from your wife. You know, I felt like that was always interesting that he would do that, like, man, with his wife, but he

don't believe in God. So, it feel like that, for all intents and purposes, he could be playing on on this whole situation. Cause if you don't believe in God, then marriage don't mean really much to you because you come to God with your marriage. So how can an atheist, how can an atheist believe in marriage? And is that why you're disconnected? Because marriage is tend to be led by religion because what he says is for people who can't see the clip, or maybe I didn't play the right part. She has felt that he's been disconnected and he attributes it to You know, kind of what kind of the position I'm in where from sunup to sundown, you know, it's about your media company. It's about podcasting. It's about content. And so he's constantly at his building. He has 20 different shows going on, news going on. You know, his YouTube and Instagram ads are running. Sponsorships are going. It's a lot going on. And he has left left her feeling disconnected while she's had this young child. For instance, he would say when they had to go and pick out the school, she would have to do it. The doctor, she would do it. Even the house, you know, the contractors from the house, everything involved with anything outside of content, he's absent and disconnected because he's always getting ready for the next interview. He's always getting ready for the next podcast. And women can't operate when they feel disconnected. But I think he got in a trick bag because they do porn. And he probably feel like I can go on the market. It probably ain't going to be a lot of people outside of other porn stars that will actually marry you. You have my kid. We have a business together where we on camera like we have. It makes millions. So she still wants to have business with him and still on camera. But they're separated. It feels like that somewhere along the lines, she may have realized that he's playing on me. So I'm going to start playing on him. And I still love him and I believe he loves me. But he's married to me and he doesn't believe in God. And the whole relationship and covenant is under God. Like you literally say that in the marriage. What you think about women being engaged? with more than one partner while they're married, do you think that breaks any kind of bond or covenant in the relationship? Or do you think she can do it in the same way the man can do it? Because the argument is the man will say, even as a husband, I can have sex with multiple women and not want to leave my wife and then not break the bond I have with my wife or make me not want to make sure she has flowers or the new beans every year or whatever it is. What's your position on that? 01:16:03 Speaker 3: Well, you know, sometimes the wife is the wife. You know, I love her. 01:16:07 Speaker 2: But, you know, I still want to sample these other things going on here. 01:16:10 Speaker 3: You know, we ain't going to let that come between us. 01:16:13 Speaker 2: But when you're indulging like that, you know, it's just eventually it's just going to break apart, man. 01:16:19 Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Because it ain't good. 01:16:21 Speaker 1: There's also it needs long-term relationships because, see, that's what I like. I like being in long-term, stable relationships. I got my person. And I'm taking care of her. She taking care of me. I like that. And, you know, because I'm single, I don't that stability. I understand. But he is also something that I have in mind. I also understand kind of what he explained from his perspective and her perspective, which is there's a lot of people that's together. They're living in a real big house, but the house is empty. They're no longer connected. They're no longer in love. They kind of hate each other. They've been together so long. It's no longer fun. This shit is boring. And so a lot of people crave and have an appetite for those relationships. But man, just as great as they may be, they are also equally as a disaster when they go wrong. But I think he spoke to that like, her feeling absent in the house. And I know, man, you can lay next to somebody and it still be distance between y'all. You know what I mean? And that's, that's such a, I know that's a lonely place for a human being, especially for a wife that's taking care of the kid. But you know, I know her feeling is I'm stuck. I done did porn with this. He on camera for me for 20, 20,000 episodes. You know what I'm saying? All these different people. And, how do I move on? Is somebody going to take me serious? And then if I really do leave him, does he take me back? You know what I mean? Then what about our business? We together on camera, we have a only fans and a whole business that make millions. Like it's a lot, but, but I think, you know, relationships take for effort on both sides. But I think once it's disconnected, it's disconnected. I always tell people that like, even with me, Once you get with somebody and y'all love each other real, real hard, it takes so much for that shit to rip apart. Once it rip apart, you really, it take a lot putting that shit back together. I ain't going to say it can't be put back together. 01:18:30 Speaker 2: And then, you know, they involved in threesomes and other guys. Then, you know, it might be a guy that is, you know, kind of successful too. And he getting out and, you know, I won't take. and you shouldn't be doing that. Like, you know, people start getting. 01:18:43 Speaker 1: Well, it ain't even that. It ain't even that. Age is catching up with her. She ready to, she know, like, hey, whoever I'm finna be, with, I need to give them these last five years while I'm... Because she white. So she age faster. You understand? She ain't gonna be no bad for long. So, you know, she's saying I need to give whoever, you know, a couple of my good years. I can't give them all to him if I ain't gonna be with him. 01:19:08 Speaker 4: You know? 01:19:09 Speaker 3: But. 01:19:10 Speaker 1: You know, it's just, man.

01:19:12 Speaker 2: Sometimes your conscience kick in, man, in reality, man. As you get older, man, the reality kick in. 01:19:18 Speaker 1: And that's what I was going to say. Hold on. That's what I was going to say. It ain't that. he doing it to her because she want to do porn. She was in it, but I think she's, she's ready to get out of it. I think she's on the back half of it. You know what I mean? 01:19:31 Speaker 3: That's what I'm trying to say. Yeah. 01:19:32 Speaker 2: When that reality kick in, especially if she's a God fearing person, that reality and that conscience speaking to her and then she, you know, reflecting back to everything she done done and how she done lived. 01:19:45 Speaker 1: You got to ask yourself this. If you're Adam 22, does she think this is a game? And I know that's a, It sounds far fetched, but you got to drill it all the way down. Like in the back of her head, do she think like, yo, we went under God and got married and you don't believe in God and you disconnected from the baby and you ain't paying attention to me. And I'm telling you, I want to be loved like you ain't. Is you really doing this or is you really just selling me off to make me people and we split the money? Like what's going on here? You know what I mean? 01:20:17 Speaker 3: You know how Satan operate. 01:20:18 Speaker 2: You know, he'll let you run for a minute, and then he'll snatch that rug away from up under you at the last second when he feel like he got you in the point of no return. 01:20:27 Speaker 3: You know, and it's just part of her conscience getting in her, man. And, you know, the. 01:20:31 Speaker 2: God-fearing person, it's in everybody if they fear God enough. 01:20:35 Speaker 3: You know, and they got the faith. And I just think all this stuff is kicking in, you know, everything they done done because reality is kicking in now. You know, as we know, you know, it's a lot of bad women out. 01:20:43 Speaker 2: There that's willing to do the same thing she's doing and younger, you know. So, I mean, I could do this all over again with somebody else who I'm really off into now. 01:20:51 Speaker 3: You know, I done been there and done that with you. 01:20:53 Speaker 1: But it feels like, it feels like, it feels like that he's using his position in media to try to blackmail her a little bit to get back in the relationship. Let's listen to a little more of this. 01:21:04 Speaker 5: Want me to talk about it? But she was like, why don't you talk about it on your platform? And then he was– and then I go on Jason Lee and we talk about it. And again, kind of like the 607 Unc thing, he didn't really like seem like he believed it or like he wasn't like necessarily taking. 01:21:21 Speaker 4: It with– he's a way better podcaster than Unc. 01:21:23 Speaker 5: But he was like– he just didn't really like take it that serious. And I kind of realized too also right then that like he's probably not in a hurry to. 01:21:30 Speaker 4: Put this out. He filmed like a bunch of other episodes that same day. So I'm kind of like, oh, all right. 01:21:35 Speaker 6: It was a vibe like, oh, Adam's using my platform to like run another play. 01:21:38 Speaker 4: He basically, he said that he basically was like, you're, you're trolling. Like, this isn't real. You still live together. You're not split up. I'm like, then that would be perfectly fine. I could do that. 01:21:48 Speaker 5: It's like, you know, 20 feet away from where I've been sleeping in the same bed that I've been sleeping all these years. I could move there, but I don't really see like a reason to at this time. But also like, you know, when we and her first started like really going through it and talking about it, I said to her, I'm like, so what. 01:22:05 Speaker 4: Do you think I should do? You think I should get an apartment or something? So I have like my own separate headquarters. 01:22:12 Speaker 5: And she was almost like offended, which is kind of weird being that she's the one like suggesting and initiating the breakup. She's like, you, if you move out, you're not going to see your kid nearly as much. And I'm like, yeah, I don't want that either. That's like one of the main things here that I'm like upset about. And she's like, She's like, and I don't want to not live with you. Like, I'm scared to not live with you. Like, you've always been around all these years, et cetera. And I'm like, yeah, I don't want to leave you high and dry either. Also, like, if I move out, then all the work that admittedly, like, we kind of disproportionately share, now it's like 100% disproportionate. 01:22:51 Speaker 1: First of all, I want to pay attention to how that, I don't like relationships like that where we together out of convenience. It's like, yo, we no longer together because I can't wait to get home and see you. We together because I don't want to. You notice she didn't tell him or coordinate his version of what he says. She didn't say, no, I don't want you to move out. I love you. Like, I want us to work through this. She said, I'm scared to not live with you. I've never not lived with you. Meaning there's a there's a real fear. Now you could that could mean several different things. 01:23:25 Speaker 3: But. 01:23:26 Speaker 1: Couple that with the fact that Adam responds and says, I don't want to leave you high and dry. He didn't say, I love you. I don't want to be sleeping without you. Like, I want us to figure a way for us to sleep back with one another. But it feels like in this conversation there together out of convenience, that's a dangerous spot for relationships. 01:23:50 Speaker 2: And then saying high and dry, it's almost like I'm really slick. 01:23:55 Speaker 3: I'm really out here doing this and doing that, and I just don't. 01:23:57 Speaker 2: Want to, you know, just leave you in the wind and, you know, just going on without you. 01:24:02 Speaker 3: You understand what I'm saying? 01:24:03 Speaker 1: Yeah, because they,

what he, but see, that's what I mean when I say I think he playing. Because now, is he, yeah, because he do porn. So he, but I think he trying to play on the emotions in public. Like, yeah, I'm, I'm finna be out here doing my thing. You know, he is really capped, though. You know what I mean? Yeah, he trying to drive into you better make a decision and it better be the right one because, again, they're no longer operating from love. They're operating from convenience at this point. Listen, I don't want to leave you high and dry. I know if I leave, like he said, it's disproportionate now on you, everything for the kid on you now. But I think he's holding it as a joker Like, yo, because it is unfair to be separated and want me still living here. You're saying you don't want to be with me. 01:24:55 Speaker 2: And their whole life has been in the public's eye. 01:24:58 Speaker 3: Their whole life has been content. 01:25:01 Speaker 2: And, you know, that's what he's still doing. He's still putting the business out there. You know, whatever's going on, you know, from the beginning to where they at now. 01:25:09 Speaker 3: You know, he's still. 01:25:10 Speaker 2: Capitalizing off it because it's something they've been doing. 01:25:13 Speaker 3: You know, and he's continuing to do it, even. 01:25:16 Speaker 2: Though he done made it mentally and physically moved on. 01:25:19 Speaker 3: I don't think so, man. 01:25:21 Speaker 1: I don't think so. Nah, I think he playing when he trying to act like that because see, because what he don't know is someone kind of how what I've been through as a youngster where it's like you pop in that big shit because you don't really understand that old girl is your little foundation, though. You don't need money, but you pop in that big shit because you big sheet toilet paper. You understand? So you popping it, man. I can get a hundred holes, man. These holes is on this shit, man. You hear me, man? Man, I'm outside on. And so, but this is the woman been with you 10 years. So she knows shit and she's attentive and she pay attention. And, you know, she done built up like a calling call for you. She know how to handle you. It been 10 years. This new girl, it's a little different. It's going to be different. You know what I mean? It's going to be different, and it may be better. It may end up being better, but it will be different at the start, and it will be things where you're like, man, she got that wrong, man. She getting on my nerves with that shit. She ain't let me play my poker, or she ain't let me go in here and listen to my goddamn CNN, whatever it may be. You and your old lady have over 10 years cultivated this environment that you are about to abandon, and it's naive to think that someone just plug into that and recreate that i think he's down playing that or he's playing you know what i'm saying he got the new. 01:26:49 Speaker 3: Thing you know maybe he's. 01:26:50 Speaker 2: Trying to cater to her in the things

that he's saying that he's putting out to the public. 01:26:55 Speaker 5: Personally on her it's like every single thing yeah you know if i'm like not living there it just makes the whole thing like you guys are just together at that point i know and that's the weird part about it is that we live together we take care of the kid together. 01:27:06 Speaker 4: Like this weekend just went by. What did we do? 01:27:08 Speaker 5: Saturday and Sunday, we hung out with the kid all day. The weekend before that, we were in Seattle for a week together. You know, it's like, it's not the same because we're not being as cuddly. We're not really sleeping together, et cetera, et cetera. But it's like, it's not like a real breakup either because most breakups, every breakup I've ever been in has been one where you're like mad at the person where you're angry, where you, you don't want to spend time around them. 01:27:30 Speaker 4: You're actually willing. 01:27:31 Speaker 5: Like, I would think if I really was not with her in this way, like, I don't care about spending time with my kid because I so don't want to spend time with you. 01:27:38 Speaker 4: Like, that's like, that's a real breakout. We're not there. 01:27:41 Speaker 5: Like, and she even keeps saying like, I'm scared that you're going to be mean. 01:27:46 Speaker 4: To me if we're like not together. 01:27:49 Speaker 5: And I'm like, I have no incentive to be to you in any way because I need to maintain a good relationship with my kid. No matter what, that's like number one, if I'm a two or we don't get along, then that's just going to mean I'm going to spend less time with my kid. And then also like, we still have a business together. 01:28:06 Speaker 4: We still like, you know, all these different things. 01:28:08 Speaker 5: That's just like, I have, it would make so much more sense for me to be fake cool with her to just maintain some semblance of normality than to just like, take my emotions out and be like, no, I don't like you anymore. 01:28:26 Speaker 7: Don't you feel like I'm listening to you, the way you're talking about this, your psychology, at least what you're displaying, you're kind of gamifying it a lot. I want her to see what it's like to not be with me, but you're there. You hit the net with this pretty quick. You last week led and said, you know, I could have been better to Lena. You had your moment with Rios, Munchie, and. 01:28:43 Speaker 4: Who else was there? Sorry. Whoever else was there. I know. 01:28:46 Speaker 5: And when I said that, when I said that, I thought that it was. 01:28:49 Speaker 4: Like, not going to be as much of like, Oh no, we need to like take a break. Like I thought that we're still like probably going to fix it up at that point. And then, And then it accelerated quickly. 01:29:00 Speaker 5: That night we kind of had like a conversation where I sort of realized more so like, oh, okay. Like we are taking some time off here. 01:29:08 Speaker 7: So this is just the ebbs and flows of life. 01:29:10 Speaker 1: This isn't, yeah. 01:29:11 Speaker 3: Okay. 01:29:12 Speaker 1: I get you. 01:29:12 Speaker 4: Were you blindsided? 01:29:13 Speaker 6: Or was it just like, oh, I think I'm being a great husband. Or did you be like, uh, yeah, I can see what you're saying. 01:29:18 Speaker 4: You know what I mean? No, I totally get it. 01:29:19 Speaker 5: Yeah. I've been, I've been kind of, you know, I've been like disconnected and not present enough, not. involved enough in the family life i've been a dick to her from time to time you know i feel like it's kind of weird because when i say like oh i've been a dick to her that i feel like everybody out there watching thinks of like blue face streams in reality me and hers real relationship i think is like pretty good chill not as crazy as like many of the people that we know but you know i've definitely i've let her down and i i feel like i have to like show her um how much I'm like willing to change relationship wise. So I feel like I'm like, you know, making pretty good progress on that. Even like the last month has been like a very different dynamic. 01:30:06 Speaker 4: Yeah. I'm confident. 01:30:07 Speaker 5: Like, I believe that like, you know, if I'm not going to be with her, I'm going to be with some other great girl. Like, it's not like I'm going to be out here a little lonely. You know, it's like, I'm just not really, I would, I would rather be with her. But if she, if, if our relationship has been so fucked up over the last, like, couple years they're like she really feels like she can't be with me then like all right i'm just gonna have to deal with that i kind of made my bed in that regard but you know either way i i just am okay with however it turns out and. 01:30:36 Speaker 6: You have no fear of drake looming in the darkness and this being a part of that at all drake is a great man if he were to like start dating lena would you feel sometimes. 01:30:46 Speaker 1: The reason they mentioned drake is because and i found this interesting She did a 20 verse one. Again, she's in the content world. So again, their position in this content thing is they are the couple that does porn and he lets black dudes fuck his wife, right? That's kind of their position. She did the 20 verse one with Drake. First thing she did was come out with a hall pass. Adam knew about the hall pass idea, but she did something else that was interesting. And now that I look back at it, I think it rings an alarm. What she did was she came out and threw her wedding ring. So she came right out and threw her wedding ring and ran into Drake's arms. Now, the Drake thing, I don't pay any attention to that. The throwing of the wedding ring in this content environment, to me, sends a deeper message. You don't throw your wedding ring, if you're asking me. I wouldn't like to see my wife throw her wedding ring. on national television next to one of the biggest artists in the world. What's your

opinion on that? 01:31:56 Speaker 3: I mean, that's ugly. You understand what I'm saying? 01:31:58 Speaker 2: They're sending a message, you know, but at the same time, you know, like they say, easy said back in the day, you know, Any publicity is good publicity, whether it's good or bad. It just probably was spur of the moment. She was just going with the moment. 01:32:14 Speaker 3: You understand what I'm saying? 01:32:16 Speaker 1: But I don't think a wife that's locked in is going to throw her wedding ring. Even though I'm playing this little character on this little thing, if she's locked in with her husband, she's not throwing a wedding ring. 01:32:27 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you got to look at what they're doing and what they're indulging in. 01:32:30 Speaker 3: All the dudes smashing her and he watching those. 01:32:33 Speaker 1: Yeah, but she ain't never threw a wedding ring before. And so to know that there's been turmoil behind the scenes and it has reached a boiling point where they are now separated. And when you look through the lens that you drill it down and say, oh, in the last 90 days, she did throw her wedding ring. That's interesting. That's an interesting thing. 01:32:52 Speaker 2: But you got to keep in mind, too, though, if he's been becoming distant to her and she's seeing it and, you know, she's trying to. 01:32:59 Speaker 1: Well, it ain't distant. It ain't distant. It's disconnected and it's disconnected out of. But hold on. Listen, it ain't distant. It's disconnected. And it's disconnected out of, like, he might be at the house, but he might be listening to this podcast knowing that, like I be telling you, like, I got to get some more people that's up on the shit because people have to be coming in saying, hey, this is what's going on. What about this? Let's talk about this. What you think about that? They got to position it. So he's always working on that at all times. And so he's disconnected. So they may be at the game or they may be at the practice for his daughter, but he's actually with an earbud and maybe listening to this. Oh, man, they saying this 6'9 just got beat up. Man, I need to figure out what's going on with that. I got to post that. Or I got to get the team up. You know, he's constantly working. So I do think in a relationship that there's a difference between disconnected and distant. 01:34:03 Speaker 2: Well, I think she, you know, sometimes women do things to get your attention, you know, to let you know that, hey, you slacking over here, this and that. You know, she probably just didn't mean nothing bad, but she was just trying to get his attention to let him know, hey, you bullshit. 01:34:17 Speaker 1: What, throwing the wind ring? 01:34:20 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think so, yeah. 01:34:23 Speaker 1: I think throwing, I think throwing another, yeah, I think, yeah, I get it. I think throwing up that wedding ring was symbolism of her internal feelings of where her marriage currently stands in her brain.

Because again, she's did content a million times. She's did a million of these kind of things. She has never threw her wedding ring. So I cannot evaluate this and just say she ain't mean nothing bad because she's never done it. Like, maybe you can say she mean none bad, even if she has sex with another dude, because she's done that several times. But the fact that she's coming out, throwing her wedding ring, and he's behind the scenes saying, we are officially separated now. That says that something to me. 01:35:12 Speaker 3: She could have been sending a message. 01:35:13 Speaker 2: Plus she knew that everybody was going to catch that with her throwing away the ring and then start speculating and wondering. 01:35:20 Speaker 1: But see, I don't think nobody said none. I'm the first person to bring it up right now because it just now, it just now making sense. It's just now coming to, I'm coming to terms with it right now, but nobody reported on that. They reported on the hall pass. And again, they're known to play this game. So, The virality of her being involved with someone is losing esteem the further they go down this road. Now, because it's Drake, it's going to have some legs, but it's not the same as it was when they first came out playing this kind of game, right? It's losing esteem. But also, if I was Adam and I lost my wife, I'd go full rapper mode. I'd come in with jewelry on, hat to the back. Even though I'll be playing a character, I just do it for the No Jumper fans. Make them think that I done really bit. I'm lost down this road now. I got the bandana on like I'm cripping or something. I'm really in it now. I done lost my wife. I'm out here. Malibu's most wanted. That shit will be viral every day, man. But it'll have to feel real. It can't be corny like. 01:36:28 Speaker 3: Right. But, you know, sometimes in relationships, though. 01:36:31 Speaker 2: They just, you know, they grow apart sometimes. And then as they start growing apart, you know, and their reality kick in, they're like, I don't even want to lose. 01:36:39 Speaker 3: Her, though. That's the best thing I ever had. Women, hold on. Let me come back and look close and, you know, and try to reconcile. 01:36:46 Speaker 1: But if we put it in her perspective, reality kicking in, let's just entertain that. Let's just say reality kicking in and she's saying, I don't want to be with dude no more. But God damn it, how do I leave him? I've been living with him for the last 10 years. I really don't know L.A. without him. I don't know life without him. I got a kid with him. And plus we got 200 episodes where we'll talk to somebody that didn't have sex. You know, different people, different girls, different girls. And if I divorce him, what do we do with the business? What do we do with our kid? Where do our family go? Like, she's stuck in a place where it's like, He's distant. He's disconnected. I'm not happy. But God damn it, it's going to be a lot ripping out of this. It's a lot to get out of this. 01:37:36 Speaker 2: And that's what he was kind of saying, too. Like, you know, we split up and I go stay somewhere else. What about everything we done done? 01:37:42 Speaker 3: How we going to do this? How we going to separate this? Where we go with this? And I think all that plays a role, too. 01:37:47 Speaker 2: Like, if this is really serious and they trying to split up and, you know, go their own ways, then, you know, they got a lot of stuff to do. 01:37:53 Speaker 1: Do you think he lost feelings for... Yeah, do you think he lost feelings for along the way as he's seeing other people fuck? Because as she's seeing other people, as she's seeing him fuck other people, again, it's just something about it doesn't have the same effect. But when she's getting fucked over these years, do you think that's disconnecting him from her a little bit? Is that removing him from her? It feel like he don't care, but I'm starting to think Adam's a good actor as it pertains to he's not really telling what he really feeling. 01:38:30 Speaker 3: But you know, if you run into that right dude who got that right thing, though, you know, he might be hearing some shit in there. 01:38:37 Speaker 2: She ain't know she had that could disconnected her. 01:38:40 Speaker 3: A little bit. 01:38:40 Speaker 1: And you know, and yeah, that's what I'm saying. 01:38:43 Speaker 3: It's just, it's just a dangerous thing. 01:38:44 Speaker 1: But is it devaluing her? That's what I'm saying. You playing a dangerous game. Do you start to devalue your wife even though you're making millions off of it, even though you're trying to act like, no, we're doing this as business. It's just content. It's business. I fuck girls too. It's nothing. It means nothing. 01:39:01 Speaker 2: I mean, but when you look at it, look what's going on. Look what she's ready to go on with her, regardless if you married or not. 01:39:09 Speaker 3: You understand what I'm saying? Look what's happening. You understand what I'm saying? She's letting them smash. You understand what I'm saying? So, yeah, it could be bad. You were getting time. You understand what I'm saying? Yeah, it's a strong possibility. 01:39:20 Speaker 1: Because he did admit over time that when it first happened, because he wrestled with it for a long time, and when he first let the black dude fight, I think his name was Jason. They did the porn. He came out and kept it real. He said, man, I ain't going to lie. I had a little feeling. I didn't expect that little feeling to hit me. And then when she got home, I fucked her. I kissed her. I wanted to hold her. But see, girls can get that confused, and also men can get that confused. That's a reaction of like a, that's panicking. That ain't love. That's panic. When she walk back in after she done been. 01:39:59 Speaker 3: F * * * ed. 01:39:59 Speaker 1: Again and hold and kiss her. Baby, ooh, la, la. You panicking in the inside. You understand? Maybe you don't know that, but

that's a panic reaction. 01:40:10 Speaker 3: And then what about some of these dudes? 01:40:12 Speaker 2: You know, they done ran into her and they might like, man, I really s * * *. 01:40:17 Speaker 1: Every, yeah. But see, they ain't even saying I slick wanna. They saying I wanna f * * * her. And that's what's confused. That's what she understands. And that's what makes her scared to hit the dating market, because 90 percent of the people got that mentality. I want to fuck her. And so how do I get? So you mean I got to dig through all of that to try to find somebody that won't me and my kid? 01:40:42 Speaker 2: Well, I'm just talking about in a sense of somebody who they done hooked up with like that. What if this dude done caught feelings with her after the first. 01:40:49 Speaker 3: Time getting with her like that? 01:40:51 Speaker 2: Now, he's a big woman and, you know, all this kind of stuff going on. 01:40:54 Speaker 3: You understand what I'm saying? But, you know, it's just a dangerous spot to be in, man. 01:41:00 Speaker 1: Really, your gal just drilling him. I'm talking about hitting her with that. Yes, Lord. 01:41:04 Speaker 3: But what about it? She's loving it. 01:41:06 Speaker 1: She is loving it. It's on camera. You can see she's loving it. And then he a white boy up there. And then you introduce her to the black people that you sit around and talk about all day. You don't know what that done. She might see, man, he really obsessed with the black people. I like him a little bit too now. I like blacks. You got me kind of liking Drake and all these other motherfuckers. You know what I mean? 01:41:32 Speaker 3: Yeah, he pushed it to that. You know, things start how they start. But as it get to going, you know, it just. 01:41:40 Speaker 1: I wish I could interview them because I want to know. Hey, listen, y'all. Make sure you hit like, subscribe, come to patreon.com. It's up there podcast. I got people flying in next week for internal fans, co-hosts, and other people that's going to be on some of the internet personalities y'all know from Instagram. We're going to have a really good time and just try to bring conversation to y'all and deal with some of the things going on in culture. I should have talked about this San Francisco 49ers fake playing guy that went and got arrested. Because he's been running game on girls all across the country. And see, that's the thing about the Internet. I always tell people this. If you come out on the Internet and you ain't who you say you are, they're going to pull you down. 01:42:22 Speaker 3: Right? 01:42:22 Speaker 1: Like me. That's what I always say. They ain't help me. I ain't borrow no money from nobody. Because if I done borrow some money from one of these guys, they would be pulling me down. Because people don't like for you to talk like that. especially if you used their money, because I wouldn't want you talking like that. But anyway, you know, now girls coming from all across the world say, oh, man, that's that dude that done this. Man, that's that guy. That's that dude. That's that dude. And that's just kind of how the chips fall. I seen it happen on Facebook the other day. Facebook was in a situation where a dude in the Facebook dating group posted his picture, but he wasn't from Nashville. He was from Memphis. He posted his picture. them Memphis people come up out of there, oh, he done run the Nashville, we know that, you know, so they'll discover your motherfucking ass on this internet, man. You understand me? 01:43:18 Speaker 4: So, you know. 01:43:20 Speaker 2: You know, people always try to take the credit for somebody else's success. 01:43:24 Speaker 3: You know what I mean? You can't, you know, you can't do that, you know. You know, the person's skillful, they're skillful. 01:43:30 Speaker 2: You know, you might have helped a little bit, but It ain't that serious, man, but, you know, people just want. 01:43:35 Speaker 4: Status, man. 01:43:36 Speaker 1: Well, see, here's the thing. You got to watch out for people because people are doing social climbing. They want social status. They want to be looked at as something. And also, people want legacy. Don't nobody want to die and ain't nothing next to their name. So they'll try to take your legacy if they can. You know what I'm saying? Only reason he on because I got him on. That's how, you know, they're going to try to figure a way to, you know what I mean, get their ass in. 01:44:02 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. 01:44:03 Speaker 1: You know, I left in the land. 01:44:08 Speaker 2: Yeah. 01:44:08 Speaker 1: That's just how it is. And so that's why I disconnected from all that. You know what I mean? Can't say Nadine Christine, but here's something I want to talk about that I didn't talk about before I go, because I did tell my Facebook people, I'm going to talk about this. Have you heard about this channel five? 01:44:23 Speaker 4: One of,