Full Transcript for Steena Holmes - When You Tell

to disappear. 00:03:07.329 --> 00:03:09.729 And this was the easiest way for her. 00:03:10.370 --> 00:03:17.329 And Miranda has reinvented herself as this enormously successful influencer, Randy F. 00:03:17.409 --> 00:03:18.370 Alexander. 00:03:18.770 --> 00:03:24.689 What interested you about the difference between a public persona and the person living behind it? 00:03:25.490 --> 00:03:32.289 So when I started writing this, there were a lot of influencers on social media and people were starting to really notice them. 00:03:32.449 --> 00:03:35.810 And I was, I used to be, my husband and I used to be ministers. 00:03:35.889 --> 00:03:42.530 So working in churches, being in the public eye, you always know that there's something behind what's being shown. 00:03:42.770 --> 00:03:52.770 And I influencers uh really fascinate me because what they what they're showing online, their perfect lives or imperfect lives, it's very created. 00:03:52.930 --> 00:03:55.729 And who are they behind, behind the view, right? 00:03:55.810 --> 00:03:56.609 Behind the screen. 00:03:56.770 --> 00:03:59.810 That really fascinates secrets in general fascinate me. 00:03:59.889 --> 00:04:03.250 And I believe everyone keeps them, everyone has them. 00:04:03.729 --> 00:04:07.650 And just the idea of these big successful influencers. 00:04:08.370 --> 00:04:09.009 And the novel. 00:04:09.810 --> 00:04:12.689 They're really not who they say they are, I don't think. 00:04:13.490 --> 00:04:14.689 None of us are. 00:04:15.009 --> 00:04:15.329 No. 00:04:15.650 --> 00:04:16.050 Right? 00:04:16.289 --> 00:04:16.610 No. 00:04:17.649 --> 00:04:20.529 We get up every morning and we put on this superhero afternoon. 00:04:20.689 --> 00:04:21.009 That's right. 00:04:21.329 --> 00:04:23.569 Hope that nobody figures out who we really are. 00:04:25.169 --> 00:04:30.930 Your story deals with cancel culture and how quickly a public reputation can collapse. 00:04:31.169 --> 00:04:37.409 Were you interested more in the power of social media or in what that pressure reveals about people? 00:04:38.529 --> 00:04:41.009 What it reveals about people and how they respond to it. 00:04:41.090 --> 00:04:41.409 Yeah. 00:04:41.490 --> 00:04:49.250 And then, you know, considering I wrote this more than five years ago and what we see happen now in cancel culture, right? 00:04:49.329 --> 00:04:53.089 I think it's so fascinating and how much it's changed, how quick it is. 00:04:53.329 --> 00:04:55.170 What made you decide to become a writer? 00:04:55.410 --> 00:04:56.449 I'm a storyteller. 00:04:56.529 --> 00:04:58.370 Um, I get that honestly from my father. 00:04:58.529 --> 00:05:00.449 My dad tells amazing stories. 00:05:00.529 --> 00:05:04.689 And it's, you know, you know, like when you grow up and there's always something that you want to do and be. 00:05:04.930 --> 00:05:11.730 I Stephen King, Nora Roberts, all those big authors telling a story, that was something I didn't think I could do. 00:05:11.810 -->

00:05:15.009 Like I wanted to, but I didn't think I was good enough for it. 00:05:15.089 --> 00:05:17.889 I I didn't have the skills, I wasn't able to. 00:05:18.290 --> 00:05:23.969 And so, you know, we went into ministry and then we we left and I became an executive assistant. 00:05:24.209 --> 00:05:28.850 And I hated, I can't, I I was good at my job, but there was no creativity. 00:05:28.930 --> 00:05:30.610 I didn't grow, I didn't feel challenged. 00:05:30.769 --> 00:05:33.810 And my husband was the one who was like, Well, why don't you write a book? 00:05:34.050 --> 00:05:38.209 And I'm like, I I I prefer reading them, I can't write them. 00:05:38.290 --> 00:05:39.889 And he's like, I dare you. 00:05:40.209 --> 00:05:43.410 And he knows me and don't dare me to do something. 00:05:43.649 --> 00:05:44.370 So I did it. 00:05:44.449 --> 00:05:45.490 I wrote my first book. 00:05:45.649 --> 00:05:46.769 It took me six months. 00:05:46.930 --> 00:05:52.290 It was uh a romance, a really sweet romance about chocolate and Christmas. 00:05:52.370 --> 00:05:56.370 And I did it in six months, submitted it to a contest, and I won a publishing contract. 00:05:56.610 --> 00:05:58.930 And then I realized I can tell a story. 00:05:59.009 --> 00:06:01.810 I just didn't know, I didn't know my craft. 00:06:01.889 --> 00:06:07.009 So I spent five years learning my craft on how to actually write it out. 00:06:07.649 --> 00:06:09.569 How do you learn to tell a story? 00:06:09.810 --> 00:06:12.209 You write a lot of stories, but you read. 00:06:12.370 --> 00:06:25.889 If you are a reader, you know the dynamics of of how to tell a story, you know that's and falls the climax, you know how to tell the plot, like you, you in the inherently, I believe, know how the story is supposed to go. 00:06:26.129 --> 00:06:31.170 So then as an author, as a writer, it's I just needed to put that into practice. 00:06:31.329 --> 00:06:36.769 What I knew worked when I read a story, I needed to work for me when I wrote a story. 00:06:37.009 --> 00:06:40.529 And I took classes and maybe Margie Lawson. 00:06:40.689 --> 00:06:48.610 I don't know if you're familiar with her, I took a lot of her courses on learning how to like to really tell the best story that I could tell. 00:06:48.689 --> 00:06:52.769 Um, and she I I believe learning that changed my career trajectory. 00:06:53.089 --> 00:06:54.449 What do you think made you successful? 00:06:54.689 --> 00:07:01.649 Oh, I told my heart story and I hit other people's hearts at the same time. 00:07:01.969 --> 00:07:08.209 I told I told the story that fear I feared the most as a young mum. 00:07:08.449 --> 00:07:15.490 And when I put my heart into it and I put everything about me into it, readers loved it. 00:07:15.649 --> 00:07:27.009 And I I think because the story I told was the same fear that they had in their hearts of you know, that one second when you look away and your child disappears. 00:07:27.170 --> 00:07:28.930 And that was finding Emma. 00:07:29.089 --> 00:07:32.209 And just I wrote several books before that. 00:07:32.529 --> 00:07:41.969 But finding Emma was my first foray into the secrets, and it was a woman's fiction, and it just skyrocketed. 00:07:42.209 --> 00:07:45.490 I tried to sell it for years and it was women's fiction. 00:07:45.569 --> 00:07:48.610 So at the time when I started, it was really hard, a hard sell. 00:07:48.769 --> 00:07:58.209 People, agents loved it, but unless I was a Diane Chamberlain or someone in that genre who already had their readership, it was a really hard sell to publishers. 00:07:58.449 --> 00:08:06.769 So I decided to self-publish it and I found over 10,000 readers in that first month, and it just kept going from there. 00:08:07.009 --> 00:08:19.730 The latest book is When You Tell, the website Stina S-T-E-E-N-A, Stinaholmes.com, and our special guest is the author, a hugely successful We Wanna Grow Up to Be Like Her. 00:08:20.610 --> 00:08:21.410 You're so sweet. 00:08:21.969 --> 00:08:25.329 USA Today and New York Times bestselling author. 00:08:26.209 --> 00:08:29.490 Why did you pick the two protagonists that you picked for this one? 00:08:30.370 --> 00:08:32.049 Because they're so different. 00:08:32.370 --> 00:08:33.089 So different. 00:08:33.329 --> 00:08:41.009 I wanted a vivacious, in-your-face type Instagram influencer, someone who you saw everywhere. 00:08:41.089 --> 00:08:43.730 Um, like a Rachel Hollis, right? 00:08:43.889 --> 00:08:47.889 Someone who was dynamic, but you felt like you knew her. 00:08:48.049 --> 00:08:53.970 I sat beside her actually at a table assigning books once years ago. 00:08:54.210 --> 00:08:55.730 And she always stuck with me. 00:08:55.809 --> 00:08:57.730 And this was before she became really big. 00:08:57.889 --> 00:08:59.410 And she just always stuck with me. 00:08:59.490 --> 00:09:01.329 And so I knew I wanted that. 00:09:01.490 --> 00:09:07.170 I wanted her, who she was inside, and just that vivaciousness and the but the realness. 00:09:07.490 --> 00:09:12.049 And I wanted to twist it with my character and make her a little bit more cynical and whatnot. 00:09:12.130 --> 00:09:21.250 And then Brie is just, I think Brie is that broken woman who doesn't want to be broken, but she doesn't know how to get beyond herself. 00:09:21.490 --> 00:09:23.809 What's the early feedback about the book? 00:09:24.130 --> 00:09:24.930 I don't know. 00:09:25.089 --> 00:09:26.130 Honestly, I don't know. 00:09:26.289 --> 00:09:27.410 I hope people like it. 00:09:27.569 --> 00:09:32.049 I've sent it like I sent it to some of my author friends for blurbs and they enjoyed it. 00:09:32.130 --> 00:09:35.890 But you know, we're authors are we're so nice to each other, right? 00:09:36.049 --> 00:09:37.170 So I don't know. 00:09:37.410 --> 00:09:38.930 I hope they really liked it. 00:09:39.009 --> 00:09:40.289 I hope readers love it. 00:09:40.450 --> 00:09:45.490 It comes out in a couple weeks, and I I have not

gone on Goodreads. 00:09:45.650 --> 00:09:47.329 Like I have not looked at reviews. 00:09:47.490 --> 00:09:53.250 I'm so because I wrote it so long ago, and my writing has changed since then. 00:09:53.890 --> 00:09:57.730 To be honest, I am really nervous to look up my reviews. 00:09:57.970 --> 00:10:02.450 Like part of me thinks that people are gonna hate it, that they're gonna be like, who is this person? 00:10:02.609 --> 00:10:06.289 This isn't the Stina that we know from today from her latest books. 00:10:06.450 --> 00:10:10.609 So I'm a little that's that's me being a little open and raw. 00:10:10.849 --> 00:10:12.450 I think that's what we all feel, right? 00:10:12.529 --> 00:10:19.170 We all think that our the book we finished most recently is the last one we'll ever do, and that people are gonna hate whatever we come up with next. 00:10:19.329 --> 00:10:22.609 We keep you know, I think every book everyone's gonna hate. 00:10:22.690 --> 00:10:23.970 They're gonna call me a fraud. 00:10:24.130 --> 00:10:25.970 Like that's that's my fear. 00:10:26.289 --> 00:10:26.930 Yeah. 00:10:27.329 --> 00:10:29.250 Why is that so common for people like us? 00:10:29.490 --> 00:10:30.690 Imposter syndrome. 00:10:30.849 --> 00:10:44.529 Maybe because we we create these characters that aren't real and we forget that we're not our characters, like we are real, but just because we make up stories and characters, that doesn't mean that we are. 00:10:44.609 --> 00:10:48.769 But maybe it's easier for us to lose ourselves in our characters, in our storytelling. 00:10:49.009 --> 00:10:50.930 When are you happy as a writer? 00:10:51.250 --> 00:11:00.210 When I have a like a twist that happens in my head when I'm writing something and I'm I know I could be doing better and something's wrong with it, and I'm not sure what it is. 00:11:00.450 --> 00:11:03.650 And then it just clicks, and I get so excited. 00:11:03.890 --> 00:11:08.930 I just, if I like it, I know readers are gonna love it, and I just can't wait to write it. 00:11:09.329 --> 00:11:15.410 And you're so good at twist, you've done 55 of these psychological thrillers. 00:11:15.490 --> 00:11:18.049 How do you keep coming up with interesting stories to tell? 00:11:18.289 --> 00:11:22.130 Well, I have I'm told I have a pretty twisted brain. 00:11:22.690 --> 00:11:25.009 So they just come naturally to me. 00:11:25.170 --> 00:11:29.009 And usually my editors are the ones who are like, back off a little. 00:11:29.170 --> 00:11:30.130 We can't do that. 00:11:30.210 --> 00:11:30.849 Yeah. 00:11:31.490 --> 00:11:32.130 Yeah. 00:11:33.089 --> 00:11:33.410 Really? 00:11:33.569 --> 00:11:35.650 The editors are the ones that are trying to calm you down. 00:11:35.730 --> 00:11:36.529 Usually it's a little bit more. 00:11:36.690 --> 00:11:37.410 Yeah, a little bit. 00:11:37.569 --> 00:11:37.970 Yeah. 00:11:38.130 --> 00:11:42.529 I tend to make things really complicated and uh go too far. 00:11:42.609 --> 00:11:43.410 So

sometimes I have to. 00:11:45.250 --> 00:11:45.890 Yeah. 00:11:46.769 --> 00:11:47.410 Yeah. 00:11:47.730 --> 00:11:48.529 That's okay. 00:11:48.690 --> 00:11:49.250 That's all right. 00:11:49.410 --> 00:11:51.490 Maybe the next one I can do a little bit darker. 00:11:51.809 --> 00:11:52.529 We'll see. 00:11:53.170 --> 00:12:01.250 When you be given a novel, you already know the major revelations, or do some of the secrets reveal themselves while you're writing? 00:12:01.569 --> 00:12:05.970 So my process today is very different from my process when I wrote when you tell. 00:12:06.289 --> 00:12:09.809 When you tell, I was a canster and I knew nothing. 00:12:10.130 --> 00:12:12.609 And the book just came as I was writing it. 00:12:12.769 --> 00:12:17.009 And I had to go back and rewrite many, many times. 00:12:17.089 --> 00:12:25.970 Um, I did a lot of edits with that book because I was I wrote, I was in a place of I wasn't sure where I was going as an author and a writer. 00:12:26.049 --> 00:12:28.130 I didn't know the direction I want to go. 00:12:28.369 --> 00:12:34.289 I I was going this way in one path, the woman's fiction, and then I wanted to go into something a little bit darker. 00:12:34.450 --> 00:12:39.009 And this was my in-between, this was me learning where I wanted to go as a writer. 00:12:39.170 --> 00:12:46.930 So I believe I did like five different initial drafts of this before I really figured out where this book was going. 00:12:47.170 --> 00:12:51.569 Today I'm I had to learn how to plot it for my publisher. 00:12:51.730 --> 00:12:56.930 And so now I I learn all that and I figure all that out before I actually start writing the book. 00:12:57.089 --> 00:13:06.609 But when you tell was was a hard one for me to write because it's the story that is coming out on the sixth is not the story that I intended to write in the beginning. 00:13:06.849 --> 00:13:08.369 Stina Holmes is our special guest. 00:13:08.450 --> 00:13:14.529 We're talking about when you tell stinaholmes.com is the website. 00:13:15.089 --> 00:13:16.769 What is your process like today? 00:13:17.009 --> 00:13:20.049 I spend a lot more time figuring out the plot. 00:13:20.289 --> 00:13:23.410 So I I know what the twists are. 00:13:23.569 --> 00:13:26.369 I still give myself room to add more twists to them. 00:13:26.529 --> 00:13:28.769 But I I write out I'm a plotter now. 00:13:28.849 --> 00:13:32.289 I started as a pantster and now I'm a plotter, and I love the process. 00:13:32.369 --> 00:13:33.890 I I was really surprised. 00:13:34.049 --> 00:13:37.410 I didn't think I could ever enjoy it and I didn't think I would like it. 00:13:37.569 --> 00:13:42.690 But my editor that I work with kind of made me learn how to plot. 00:13:42.849 --> 00:13:47.490 And she worked with me and gave me suggestions and and how-tos and stuff. 00:13:47.650 --> 00:13:51.809 And so now I take the time and I really figure out that story. 00:13:52.130 --> 00:13:55.569 I always leave room for

surprises to happen. 00:13:55.809 --> 00:14:01.089 But I got to the point, I think it was after book 50. 00:14:01.730 --> 00:14:07.329 And I wrote the whole thing and I had to go back and rewrite half of it, and I got tired of it. 00:14:07.569 --> 00:14:10.369 And I there has to be an easier way to tell stories. 00:14:10.609 --> 00:14:13.009 There has to be an easier way to write these stories. 00:14:13.170 --> 00:14:15.970 And so for me, right now, plotting is what's working. 00:14:16.289 --> 00:14:20.210 You write the kind of books that keep readers up past their bedtime. 00:14:20.529 --> 00:14:25.089 What does a chapter need to do to make someone say, just one more? 00:14:25.730 --> 00:14:27.730 You always end on a cliffhanger. 00:14:27.890 --> 00:14:29.410 You end with a question. 00:14:29.650 --> 00:14:32.450 You never answer a question at the end of a chapter. 00:14:32.529 --> 00:14:36.049 You always, you always give them a new question to be asked. 00:14:36.369 --> 00:14:40.609 You got a family and a life going on around your writing. 00:14:40.849 --> 00:14:43.970 What does your actual routine look like? 00:14:44.769 --> 00:14:47.410 Well, now writing is my this is my career. 00:14:47.490 --> 00:14:48.769 And so I treat it like that. 00:14:48.930 --> 00:14:56.369 I used to work in corporate, so I understood deadlines, having your eight to five, you know, that was my life. 00:14:56.450 --> 00:14:57.730 So that's what I do now. 00:14:58.049 --> 00:15:04.450 I sit at my desk from 10 to 5, 10 to 4, maybe, but that is my solid writing time. 00:15:04.690 --> 00:15:07.809 I will wake up, have my coffee, let my brain wake up. 00:15:07.970 --> 00:15:10.690 I'll break down notes on my phone or whatever. 00:15:10.849 --> 00:15:14.609 And then when I get to my office and I turn on my computer, it's it's all work. 00:15:14.849 --> 00:15:19.490 What made you select Amsterdam as the location for your story? 00:15:20.369 --> 00:15:24.210 So I love to do, I host reader tours. 00:15:24.450 --> 00:15:27.890 So I bring readers with me on trips and we go to Europe. 00:15:28.049 --> 00:15:34.849 We go to Paris, uh, we do Christmas market, we've done Italy, and my very first one was in Amsterdam. 00:15:35.089 --> 00:15:40.690 And when I was there, I uh was walking the town, the city, and I was on a chocolate hunt. 00:15:40.769 --> 00:15:43.329 I wanted to find all the best chocolate shops there. 00:15:43.650 --> 00:15:55.009 But as I was walking in, you know, the canals and the old brown cafes and brown bars and stuff, I knew it would be the perfect place to set a thriller. 00:15:55.170 --> 00:16:00.130 And I knew it would be the perfect place for secrets to happen and and whatnot. 00:16:00.210 --> 00:16:04.049 Um, and Amsterdam just feeds into that very easily. 00:16:04.369 --> 00:16:08.210 What have you learned about your own books from talking with readers face to face? 00:16:08.529 --> 00:16:09.569 That's a really good question. 00:16:09.809 --> 00:16:16.130

The more of me I put into a book, the more people can connect with it and they see themselves in it. 00:16:17.490 --> 00:16:21.650 It doesn't matter how many twists happen, and it doesn't matter how crazy the book can be. 00:16:21.809 --> 00:16:27.809 If there's real emotions, real feelings, readers connect with that. 00:16:28.049 --> 00:16:33.089 And the realer I can be in my stories, uh, the better. 00:16:33.410 --> 00:16:36.369 You've been doing this a long time after writing so many novels. 00:16:36.529 --> 00:16:39.650 What still surprises you about being a storyteller? 00:16:40.450 --> 00:16:42.130 That people like to read them. 00:16:50.529 --> 00:16:59.809 When when when someone says I read your book, I like you really like did you really or did you just read the book or read the reviews? 00:16:59.970 --> 00:17:00.930 Like you really read it? 00:17:01.089 --> 00:17:01.970 Did you like it? 00:17:02.289 --> 00:17:03.170 You liked it? 00:17:04.289 --> 00:17:05.410 You're just saying that, right? 00:17:05.490 --> 00:17:08.369 Like you're not, you didn't you're just trying to be nice. 00:17:08.609 --> 00:17:17.490 Like believing someone actually likes what I read or what I wrote is just surprising, and it's the greatest gift. 00:17:17.809 --> 00:17:18.369 What's next? 00:17:19.569 --> 00:17:20.130 More books. 00:17:20.369 --> 00:17:21.410 More meter tours. 00:17:21.650 --> 00:17:22.049 Yeah. 00:17:23.089 --> 00:17:24.690 What's in the pipeline right now? 00:17:25.089 --> 00:17:25.650 So many. 00:17:25.890 --> 00:17:29.569 So I am always working on at least three novels at at once. 00:17:29.809 --> 00:17:45.730 I write, I work in the morning, another book in the afternoon, and then on the weekends, sorry during some downtime, you know, when when everyone is busy doing something, I will buy my notebook, sit in my office, and I have a lounge chair, and I will start working on the next book. 00:17:45.809 --> 00:17:50.049 And I'll write my notes, the characters, the plot, the ideas, the twist. 00:17:50.450 --> 00:17:58.769 And then um when book one is done, book two moves up to the morning, book three, the weekend book, moves up to the afternoon, and then I start a new weekend project. 00:17:59.009 --> 00:18:02.210 How do you keep all those balls in the air and remember which one's which? 00:18:02.850 --> 00:18:04.049 Because they're all different. 00:18:04.289 --> 00:18:14.289 So one will be a psychological thriller, will be that I'm gonna be doing, and it's uh destination settings and uh secrets, families. 00:18:15.330 --> 00:18:22.289 So that one is very different than my psychological thrillers, and then I have uh, you know, just writing down the notes and whatnot. 00:18:22.370 --> 00:18:24.690 So that one's easy to keep separate. 00:18:25.170 --> 00:18:29.330 What do you hope that readers will take away from their encounter with When You Tell? 00:18:29.570 --> 00:18:39.730 I would love it if while someone is reading When You Tell, if they text

a friend or talk to a friend and be like, this is a book you need to read. 00:18:39.970 --> 00:18:40.930 Let's talk about it. 00:18:41.090 --> 00:18:43.170 Like, I would I would love that. 00:18:43.410 --> 00:18:44.610 This sounds familiar. 00:18:44.769 --> 00:18:47.009 Didn't we didn't we read something like this before? 00:18:47.250 --> 00:18:48.289 Hasn't this happened? 00:18:48.450 --> 00:18:50.930 Like I would just like conversations to happen around. 00:18:51.490 --> 00:18:54.049 Do you have a favorite book that you wrote? 00:18:54.370 --> 00:18:55.009 I do. 00:18:55.330 --> 00:18:58.690 Actually, I have a few, and it's never the one I just finished. 00:18:58.850 --> 00:19:04.450 I have one called uh The Sister Under the Stairs, and that is a really personal one. 00:19:04.610 --> 00:19:10.210 It's about it's about a horror that happens in our backyard, um, and we don't even know about it. 00:19:10.370 --> 00:19:13.730 And um it's really personal and it happened to my family. 00:19:14.049 --> 00:19:22.769 And my my aunt works with an organization to rescue sex trafficked people, and she asked me to write a story about it. 00:19:22.850 --> 00:19:35.330 Um, and that's it's called Sister on the Stairs, and readers are loving that book, but it's probably one of my favorites just because of the emotional intensity that I was able to put in that story. 00:19:35.570 --> 00:19:40.930 How can you write something like that and stay close to it without it affecting you? 00:19:41.170 --> 00:19:41.970 I couldn't. 00:19:42.130 --> 00:19:50.210 I went into some very dark places when I wrote that story, and I thought about how I would feel if if something like that had happened to my daughter. 00:19:50.370 --> 00:19:51.250 I have three daughters. 00:19:51.330 --> 00:19:52.450 They're all in their 20s. 00:19:52.610 --> 00:19:54.130 Like, what if something happened to them? 00:19:54.289 --> 00:19:58.690 Um, but then I realized as a mother, this was something I needed to know as a parent. 00:19:58.850 --> 00:20:08.370 I needed to know how do I protect my children, but how do I also give them the skills to protect themselves or to know what to look for when they're living their lives? 00:20:08.450 --> 00:20:10.930 Um, so it became really important to me. 00:20:11.490 --> 00:20:14.049 Is writing a therapeutic exercise for you? 00:20:14.289 --> 00:20:14.769 Yep. 00:20:15.009 --> 00:20:20.130 I still go see a therapist when I need to, but um I always am dealing with something in my books. 00:20:20.289 --> 00:20:22.289 There's always something that I'm struggling with. 00:20:22.450 --> 00:20:29.570 It could be a faith-based question, you know, of whatever's happening in the world and how do I, how do I handle that as a person? 00:20:29.650 --> 00:20:34.289 Or it could be something happening in my own family or something happening with me personally that I'm dealing with. 00:20:34.450 --> 00:20:41.330 It's always something always, I'm always able to discuss it and deal with it and find a resolution when I'm writing my book. 00:20:41.570 --> 00:20:43.090 The book is When You Tell. 00:20:43.570 --> 00:20:51.570 It is one of many still of the pipeline, coming from our best-selling author and special guest, the author Stina Holmes. 00:20:51.730 --> 00:20:56.289 Stina S-T-E-E-N-A Holmes.com is the website. 00:20:56.529 --> 00:20:57.730 This has been wonderful, Stina. 00:20:57.809 --> 00:20:59.009 Thanks for the conversation. 00:20:59.330 --> 00:21:01.009 Well, I'm really glad to have been here. 00:21:01.170 --> 00:21:02.370 Thanks for having me. 00:21:02.690 --> 00:21:07.009 In Conversation with Terry Shepard is a copyrighted presentation. 00:21:07.250 --> 00:21:08.690 All rights reserved. 00:21:08.769 --> 00:21:10.130 I'm Lisa Davis. 00:21:10.289 --> 00:21:13.570 Join Terry Shepherd next time in conversation.