Full Transcript for Dogma

a big one. 00:02:24.479 --> 00:02:27.280 There's a really big one that is not mentioned. 00:02:27.520 --> 00:02:28.159 Why? 00:02:28.479 --> 00:02:43.360 And uh there was an interview with uh Kevin Smith in which he said the thing he thinks dates this movie the most is that the absence of talking about uh the abuse of children in the church. 00:02:43.599 --> 00:02:43.840 Yes. 00:02:44.479 --> 00:02:47.520 And he says the movie came out in 1999. 00:02:47.599 --> 00:02:53.120 Yes, but he wrote the script in 1991 and the sex scandals broke afterwards. 00:02:53.280 --> 00:02:54.639 I love this about Kevin Smith. 00:02:54.800 --> 00:03:04.560 He made George Lucas into a verb, and so he said, if I were to George Lucas it, I would go back and add just that into the film. 00:03:04.800 --> 00:03:06.000 That's the only thing I would change. 00:03:06.080 --> 00:03:16.879 I would add that because it's glaring that it's not there when you list off the offenses the church had uh committed in the past against humanity. 00:03:17.360 --> 00:03:30.479 Side side note and point of order in that one is uh what what I find funnier uh about everything is George Lucas was a huge proponent against using Technicolor to digitally enhance films. 00:03:30.719 --> 00:03:45.840 He was like adamant, vehement, just you know, outspoken, you know, you can't do that, and then he starts having his own films and is all like, Well, I'm gonna start putting in a digital job of the hut to this one that was never there before, because it's like, well, okay, bro. 00:03:46.240 --> 00:03:50.240 So I understand why Kevin Smith used George Lucas as a verb. 00:03:50.479 --> 00:03:59.280 Now, dogma uh is a principle, belief, or system of ideas that is accepted as unquestionably true without the need for proof. 00:03:59.520 --> 00:04:18.560 But I also feel that it uh it can apply to when you're saying somebody's dogmatic, it's really just it's so rigid that it does remind me of Star Wars because the followers, the passionate uh folk of Star Wars are this is the way it's supposed to be, and there is no other way it should be. 00:04:18.639 --> 00:04:19.600 It is canon, right? 00:04:20.319 --> 00:04:21.360 Don't mess with the Star Wars. 00:04:22.720 --> 00:04:26.959 Well, and I think Star Wars fans, I've never seen Star Wars, okay? 00:04:27.600 --> 00:04:28.000 Never. 00:04:28.480 --> 00:04:30.000 Oh my god, we might have a whole bunch of things. 00:04:30.079 --> 00:04:31.279 They do exist right here. 00:04:32.399 --> 00:04:50.560 Michael's like, we're having some interference by No, I will never I think I think there's a similarity with like the the Bible and all those like sub-stories and all the people you have to remember, like the apostles and all that. 00:04:50.639 --> 00:04:52.079 Isn't that a little Star Wars y? 00:04:52.399 --> 00:04:58.000 Like you gotta remember that like in this structure he's this way, and those people fight these people. 00:04:58.079 --> 00:04:58.399 I don't know. 00:04:58.720 --> 00:05:06.000 And all the different types of X-Wings and all the different types in the force, yes, there's actually a Jedi religion, I believe, acknowledged in the UK. 00:05:06.240 --> 00:05:11.759 Mary, quick question for you have you seen uh or read any of the Lord of the Rings? 00:05:11.920 --> 00:05:14.720 Come on, no, no, no, it's official, you're not a nerd. 00:05:14.879 --> 00:05:19.439 I think Harry Potter bridged the like, okay, the Lord of the Rings is not dorky anymore. 00:05:19.519 --> 00:05:19.920 I'm sorry. 00:05:20.000 --> 00:05:20.720 I'm just gonna say it. 00:05:20.800 --> 00:05:24.480 I don't know what happened, but it brought the sides together, and now it's okay. 00:05:24.720 --> 00:05:24.959 Yes. 00:05:25.040 --> 00:05:28.000 So so it like here's the reason for for for me saying that. 00:05:28.079 --> 00:05:38.240 So like Star Wars, I've I've obviously watched all the films, and I do think, Mary, we have a whole podcast here now, um, where we're just gonna get you on nine different podcasts. 00:05:38.480 --> 00:05:43.519 I've seen space balls, so I can I can participate in the vernacular. 00:05:43.600 --> 00:05:46.000 Like I get it, but I get it. 00:05:46.079 --> 00:05:50.959 I think it's funny because science fiction, fantasy, that kind of thing, it was uh subculture, right? 00:05:51.600 --> 00:05:53.439 And it has become pop culture. 00:05:53.680 --> 00:06:02.560 Yes, it has you know, um, and and hey, you know, maybe being relaxed and groovy like Jesus is a sub culture and it'll become pop culture eventually. 00:06:02.639 --> 00:06:03.120 I don't know. 00:06:03.439 --> 00:06:05.439 But you want to say something, yeah. 00:06:05.680 --> 00:06:20.079 Yeah, no, but specifically when it comes to the Lord of the Rings, I I there was a time in my life where I read The Hobbit pretty much every year that like I would read The Hobbit actively like that, because that's a self-contained single book and very good. 00:06:20.319 --> 00:06:26.560 Uh whereas The Lord of the Rings, I read it I think probably once, maybe twice in my entire lifetime. 00:06:26.720 --> 00:06:43.199 But the thing is, is it reads like the Bible to me in the sense that there are points where it's like, oh, Aragorn, son of Blairathorn, daughter to Claraflor, and ninth of Florin, and you're like who began, and you're like, why is this relevance stop? 00:06:44.079 --> 00:06:48.480 Like that that to me is you know where I was trying to eventually drive the points. 00:06:48.720 --> 00:06:52.560 And I I think I think Harry Potter, and I also think Game of Thrones. 00:06:52.879 --> 00:06:53.120 Yes. 00:06:53.279 --> 00:07:01.680 I think I'm sorry, I'm like Segwang, but I think Game of Thrones also brought that subculture up to mainstream, you know, and that's similar. 00:07:01.839 --> 00:07:06.160 Like these people, the Dothraki, the Virgo, I don't even know, but right? 00:07:06.399 --> 00:07:08.800 And it's nice that these things have brought us all

together. 00:07:09.040 --> 00:07:09.360 Yes. 00:07:09.519 --> 00:07:14.079 I'm still stuck on who who did Aragorn chloroform? 00:07:14.319 --> 00:07:14.879 Yes. 00:07:15.199 --> 00:07:16.959 Does this smell like chloroform? 00:07:17.920 --> 00:07:21.600 See, and that then that leads me to um designing women. 00:07:21.920 --> 00:07:24.480 Because we had bearwith. 00:07:25.920 --> 00:07:34.879 Whoa! My sister and I had a plague in high school where we were so weak we couldn't even leave the couch and and we could not change the channel. 00:07:35.040 --> 00:07:42.879 We were so ill that we couldn't reach for the remote and change the station while the television was on, and that is something for a teenager. 00:07:43.120 --> 00:07:58.480 So we sat through a designing marathon, a designing women marathon, and by the end of the day, I knew the difference between Carlene, Charlene, and Darling, which is something I would not have known prior to. 00:07:58.800 --> 00:08:10.319 I love the beginning where uh um Loki, Matt Damon's character, talks this poor nun out of religion by using Alice in Wonderland, the walrus and the carpenter. 00:08:10.480 --> 00:08:10.800 Yes. 00:08:11.120 --> 00:08:15.199 And the walrus and the carpenter being the eastern and western religions. 00:08:15.360 --> 00:08:15.519 Yes. 00:08:15.680 --> 00:08:18.079 And by the end of it, you're like, oh my God. 00:08:18.480 --> 00:08:22.800 Um, but that to me is a very personal view on how you see religion. 00:08:23.040 --> 00:08:29.360 Um, and then Christ himself, it's Rufus' quote, he really hates the shit carried out in his name. 00:08:29.519 --> 00:08:31.920 Wars, bigotry, televangelism. 00:08:32.080 --> 00:08:32.320 Yep. 00:08:32.559 --> 00:08:39.679 And to me, like, yeah, all the big problems we have with uh attaching the name of Christ, something hateful. 00:08:39.840 --> 00:08:40.080 Yeah. 00:08:40.559 --> 00:08:53.120 Um and then uh and then women, because serendipity has this whole thing where she talks about how women, uh her quote was women are painted as bigger antagonists than the Egyptians and the Romans combined. 00:08:53.360 --> 00:08:53.600 Yes. 00:08:55.039 --> 00:08:57.519 Who talked Adam into eating the apple? 00:08:57.679 --> 00:09:03.360 Who it was a woman that uh uh called for the head of John the Baptist. 00:09:03.519 --> 00:09:05.679 It was a woman that cut off Samson's hair. 00:09:05.919 --> 00:09:06.159 Right. 00:09:06.320 --> 00:09:17.440 And um, yeah, women are villain villainized uh quite a bit in the Bible, and all the women, and this is my conspiracy theory for a woman who hasn't read the Bible from cover to cover. 00:09:17.679 --> 00:09:19.759 Um and hey, that is a Catholic thing. 00:09:20.000 --> 00:09:21.039 We don't we're told not to. 00:09:21.360 --> 00:09:23.759 I mean, recently we could misinterpret it. 00:09:23.919 --> 00:09:24.320 Yes. 00:09:24.559 --> 00:09:26.720 Traditionally we're told not to read, we misinterpret it. 00:09:26.960 --> 00:09:27.759 Don't read it, don't read it. 00:09:27.840 --> 00:09:28.720 But women can read it. 00:09:29.039 --> 00:09:35.600 Spoilers, it was interesting how all these all these men have these unique names, like um Jebediah. 00:09:35.759 --> 00:09:38.879 So it's really rare that we have uh duplicates on names. 00:09:39.039 --> 00:09:44.000 Yes, but Mary, oh my god, everyone, everyone is named Mary. 00:09:44.320 --> 00:09:46.000 How do we keep all the Mary's straight? 00:09:46.240 --> 00:09:47.519 There are too many Marys. 00:09:48.320 --> 00:09:49.919 They like couldn't name anyone. 00:09:50.320 --> 00:09:51.679 Oh, Ruth, thank goodness. 00:09:51.840 --> 00:09:52.240 And Anne. 00:09:52.480 --> 00:09:53.039 But that's it. 00:09:53.360 --> 00:09:58.159 And you know, Martha, that lazy bitch, or am I the lazy bitch in that smoothie? 00:09:58.720 --> 00:09:59.519 I don't remember. 00:09:59.759 --> 00:10:03.279 One of us is a lazy bitch that just wants to sit and listen. 00:10:03.519 --> 00:10:08.639 Uh, but I do think to me, the faith in the water glass are really connected to that visual. 00:10:08.879 --> 00:10:10.720 I also love that in the movie. 00:10:11.039 --> 00:10:12.960 What was the faith in the water glass visual? 00:10:13.120 --> 00:10:13.200 Oh. 00:10:13.440 --> 00:10:16.320 You you say it and then you leave our listeners. 00:10:16.799 --> 00:10:17.759 They should have watched the movie. 00:10:17.919 --> 00:10:18.720 They should have watched the movie. 00:10:19.120 --> 00:10:20.639 But here's what I thought was really interesting. 00:10:20.720 --> 00:10:28.000 If you look at the movie as a whole, you have women and their voice being used to be villainous in the Bible. 00:10:28.159 --> 00:10:32.559 They talk about black Jesus and people's uncomfortable reaction to that. 00:10:32.720 --> 00:10:37.039 And they they talk about she's she works at an abortion clinic. 00:10:37.759 --> 00:10:41.360 Uh her co-worker and friend is a Jewish lesbian. 00:10:41.519 --> 00:10:46.960 And then the 13th Apossible, she's that's the one person with her that she actually takes counsel from. 00:10:47.120 --> 00:10:48.799 Like she really listens to him. 00:10:49.039 --> 00:10:56.000 The only thing I would add, the idea of they address like killing in the name of the of the Lord, like whether that's right or wrong. 00:10:56.320 --> 00:10:59.440 Because that's that's Loki's inner turmoil, right? 00:10:59.600 --> 00:10:59.759 Yes. 00:11:00.000 --> 00:11:01.679 Yeah, like you know, to that kind of thing. 00:11:01.840 --> 00:11:04.399 No, my notes are not like Trish's notes. 00:11:04.559 --> 00:11:07.200 My notes are like Ken doll junk. 00:11:07.519 --> 00:11:08.080 Oh, yes. 00:11:08.240 --> 00:11:10.159 Yes, that's a great reference. 00:11:10.480 --> 00:11:11.200 That's not appropriate. 00:11:11.360 --> 00:11:12.399 That's not appropriate. 00:11:12.639 --> 00:11:19.120 I have irrational fear of gangs of marauding youth as an old lady, which I have an irrational

fear. 00:11:19.440 --> 00:11:19.519 Yeah. 00:11:19.679 --> 00:11:20.960 I'm like, what are those kids? 00:11:21.120 --> 00:11:21.840 What are they doing? 00:11:22.000 --> 00:11:22.399 They're cheap. 00:11:22.559 --> 00:11:23.039 Why are they gangs? 00:11:24.399 --> 00:11:25.200 I don't know about that. 00:11:25.440 --> 00:11:29.519 There's a part, I can't remember if it's an announcement at the hospital, which I I really liked. 00:11:29.600 --> 00:11:33.360 It was like, this is not a drill, this is the apocalypse. 00:11:33.600 --> 00:11:34.080 Yes, yes. 00:11:35.200 --> 00:11:37.600 Trisha and I laughed real hard at that. 00:11:38.159 --> 00:11:42.320 Uh yeah, because everybody is not filing out in a in a orderly fashion. 00:11:42.480 --> 00:11:47.200 They are they are throwing everything over, and but yeah, it's the fact that there's an announcement. 00:11:47.519 --> 00:11:50.080 It sounds like it is an automated announcement. 00:11:50.240 --> 00:11:52.000 This is this is the apocalypse. 00:11:52.159 --> 00:11:53.440 It's like, wait, what? 00:11:53.840 --> 00:11:57.039 Okay, so Michael, you said you just re-watched the movie. 00:11:57.120 --> 00:11:57.440 Yeah, yeah. 00:11:57.519 --> 00:11:58.240 Like so did I. 00:11:58.480 --> 00:12:00.240 Did you notice the part in the beginning? 00:12:00.399 --> 00:12:09.759 No, it was like it was it's a callback to when um Matt Damon's talking to the nun, and then later you see her going crazy, like a shit in the airport with the beer. 00:12:09.919 --> 00:12:10.240 Do you remember? 00:12:10.399 --> 00:12:11.200 Did you see that, Michael? 00:12:11.440 --> 00:12:12.960 No, I didn't catch that. 00:12:13.200 --> 00:12:15.919 Because the like the waitress is trying to calm her down. 00:12:16.240 --> 00:12:18.639 So they're on the they're on the the people mover. 00:12:18.799 --> 00:12:21.919 So it's uh as they are deciding that they're going to be. 00:12:22.159 --> 00:12:29.840 So if you look, the nun is holding a beer, like walking in the background, like losing her shit, and the waitress is like trying to talk her down. 00:12:30.080 --> 00:12:31.679 Oh my god, no, I totally missed that. 00:12:31.759 --> 00:12:33.840 Now I want to go back and watch it. 00:12:34.000 --> 00:12:39.440 It's it's it's while while uh Loki and Bartleby are on on the people mover. 00:12:39.840 --> 00:12:46.559 Uh the nun is in the background losing her shit with a beer in her hand, and the waitress uh waitress is trying to calm her down. 00:12:46.720 --> 00:12:51.360 Um it is it is something that is happening in the back so much is happening in the background. 00:12:51.679 --> 00:12:59.600 But okay, the only thing I gotta rewatch and I don't know if Kevin Smith did this purposely, but they don't quote the Bible at all in this movie. 00:12:59.919 --> 00:13:00.879 And that's very capital. 00:13:02.399 --> 00:13:04.320 They do talk about Peter and the rock. 00:13:04.480 --> 00:13:10.559 And uh I I really think if I were uh if I were a theological lawyer. 00:13:11.120 --> 00:13:16.799 They make lawyers who are if I were if that job existed. 00:13:17.759 --> 00:13:18.320 And I took it to the court. 00:13:19.519 --> 00:13:20.720 And I took it to court. 00:13:21.279 --> 00:13:23.039 I'm taking theology than court. 00:13:23.360 --> 00:13:39.279 It would be the verse uh is from uh Matthew 16, 19, and it it's uh I will give you the keys of the kingdom to heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. 00:13:39.440 --> 00:13:48.480 And I've heard it said more like whatever you uh create or whatever you command or whatever you honor on earth, we will honor in heaven. 00:13:48.720 --> 00:14:01.360 Pretty much to me, this is a a statement that pretty much gives the Catholic Church the right to change, to adapt, to make new law. 00:14:01.679 --> 00:14:10.000 So it is no excuse to go, well, I'm sorry, women can't be involved as equals because no, you can change. 00:14:10.159 --> 00:14:16.799 It was in the contract at the very beginning that you can do this and you use it all the time to excuse crap you've done. 00:14:16.960 --> 00:14:17.039 Right. 00:14:17.279 --> 00:14:19.519 Like, oh, you can pay your way into heaven. 00:14:19.759 --> 00:14:20.000 Yeah. 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:26.960 Uh and uh and the church will I mean God will honor that because we, the church, said this is a good heaven pass. 00:14:28.799 --> 00:14:33.200 Well, I mean, there's so many loopholes, but there's not a loophole for women, right? 00:14:33.519 --> 00:14:33.759 Right. 00:14:33.840 --> 00:14:44.960 And then I mean you look at uh uh other religions as well, women uh across the board are not treated as equals in uh any religion, at least originally. 00:14:45.519 --> 00:14:50.480 Not not ones that are relaxed and groovy or what one would say progressive? 00:14:50.720 --> 00:14:51.200 Yes. 00:14:51.360 --> 00:14:54.480 No, not all, not hashtag not all religions. 00:14:54.720 --> 00:14:55.759 No, uh, I did it now. 00:14:55.840 --> 00:14:57.039 You've got me hashtag it. 00:14:57.200 --> 00:14:57.679 Yes. 00:14:57.919 --> 00:14:59.600 We need to go into counseling. 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:00.960 About hashtags? 00:15:01.120 --> 00:15:02.000 About hashtags. 00:15:02.159 --> 00:15:05.120 I do have one other thing, and it's about Alan Rickman. 00:15:05.279 --> 00:15:08.480 Oh, god, it looks like truly a saint. 00:15:09.200 --> 00:15:27.440 Um so it was that he he was a big fan of chasing Amy and uh they found this out and they were like, well, we're gonna give him the script and see if and he was like, his questions were like uh his two questions uh in order to accept the role were one, um, is are we sticking to the script? 00:15:27.519 --> 00:15:28.559 Is this the script? 00:15:29.039 --> 00:15:33.679 And two, are the are the wings gonna be real or holographic? 00:15:33.919 --> 00:15:37.200 You know, are they gonna be CGI wings or are they real

physical wings? 00:15:38.320 --> 00:15:47.679 And uh, but then there are all these quotes about Alan afterwards that um that Kevin Kevin Smith uh had. 00:15:47.840 --> 00:15:51.840 He goes, Jason Mews, uh what is he he just like a diehard fanatic. 00:15:52.000 --> 00:15:58.080 Yes, and he just wanted to talk to Alan Rickman all about he called him diehard, hey diehard, he's like, he has a name, it's Alan. 00:15:58.159 --> 00:15:59.679 Oh stop calling him that. 00:15:59.919 --> 00:16:06.320 And Kevin Smith was just kind of really concerned that Alan Rickman would be offended or just annoyed. 00:16:06.559 --> 00:16:18.960 And so he catches Jason talking to Alan at one point, and uh he comes up afterwards and he's like, Hey, you know, if he's bothering you, I can keep him away. 00:16:19.279 --> 00:16:25.120 And Alan Rickman's response with it was Jason Mews is the best America can be. 00:16:26.159 --> 00:16:27.919 He is an American icon. 00:16:28.080 --> 00:16:28.399 Yes. 00:16:28.559 --> 00:16:34.879 And afterwards, every time they had an argument, Jason would be like, but which one of us is an icon? 00:16:36.960 --> 00:16:44.799 And then and then there was a point where Kevin gave uh Alan a um a line reading? 00:16:44.960 --> 00:16:45.440 A line reading. 00:16:45.519 --> 00:16:45.919 Oh, you said. 00:16:46.240 --> 00:16:47.200 I totally know this one. 00:16:47.279 --> 00:16:47.840 Yeah, yeah. 00:16:48.240 --> 00:16:51.840 Because Alan Rickman had not seen the karate kid. 00:16:51.919 --> 00:16:52.080 Yep. 00:16:52.240 --> 00:16:55.600 So he didn't understand wax on, wax off, right? 00:16:56.240 --> 00:17:00.960 So Kevin commits the sin of all directors and he gives him a line reading. 00:17:01.120 --> 00:17:06.480 He's like, this is how the line is said because it's from this other movie, and this is how they say it. 00:17:06.720 --> 00:17:10.319 And because Alan Rickman was just thinking it was. 00:17:10.559 --> 00:17:11.440 Waxed on, waxed off. 00:17:11.680 --> 00:17:12.880 It was it was original. 00:17:13.039 --> 00:17:15.440 He was approaching it that way that way, right? 00:17:15.599 --> 00:17:28.000 And it's like, no, it's wax on and wax off, and this is how it's, you know, and you do the hand movement, and uh and Alan Rickson's response is royally trained, Kevin. 00:17:29.200 --> 00:17:30.960 Like, don't get in my lane. 00:17:31.359 --> 00:17:37.359 And then afterwards, when you watch it done, he's still, it's like it's almost to be or not to be. 00:17:38.319 --> 00:17:40.720 It is beautiful him saying it. 00:17:40.960 --> 00:17:47.039 Oh, did did anyone else notice at the end when like the outside of the church had been all like shot to hell? 00:17:47.200 --> 00:17:51.519 Yeah that the Catholicism wow sign just said Catholicism ow? 00:17:52.240 --> 00:17:53.680 Oh no, no, it's not. 00:17:54.079 --> 00:17:55.359 That's fantastic. 00:17:55.599 --> 00:17:57.759 Maybe it was like a totally random thing. 00:17:57.839 --> 00:17:59.039 I thought

that was pretty cool, actually. 00:17:59.119 --> 00:17:59.680 I don't know why. 00:17:59.759 --> 00:18:12.400 I just and also, did anyone else notice that Kevin Smith did the whole love actually airport scene before Love Actually actually did that scene where like everyone's like at the airport and they're like crazy. 00:18:12.720 --> 00:18:14.240 The best part of humanity. 00:18:15.039 --> 00:18:16.160 Uh yes, comedy. 00:18:18.240 --> 00:18:19.920 Three times before uh he came back. 00:18:20.079 --> 00:18:21.359 Or she well, before she came back. 00:18:21.680 --> 00:18:24.319 But it doesn't matter because they're just relieved to be together right now. 00:18:24.559 --> 00:18:26.079 What an interesting double feature. 00:18:26.319 --> 00:18:29.599 And the dogma and then love actually. 00:18:29.839 --> 00:18:31.119 Well, and both of them have age. 00:18:32.559 --> 00:18:44.000 No, you make it a triple feature, and you make it uh the triple feature is it's dogma, love actually, and then diehard, because then at the end of diehard, he pays for what he did to Emma Watson. 00:18:44.720 --> 00:18:45.039 Right? 00:18:45.119 --> 00:18:49.759 It's an ex- it's a it's a weird shree shades of Ellen Rickman. 00:18:50.240 --> 00:18:51.920 Three shades of Ellen Rickman. 00:18:52.240 --> 00:18:56.240 But yeah, I did not notice the Catholicism out, but that is hilarious. 00:18:56.720 --> 00:18:57.200 I love that. 00:18:57.519 --> 00:18:58.319 It's pretty funny. 00:18:58.480 --> 00:19:10.400 It's pretty funny, but yeah, and I like when George Carlin is like, the church, the Catholic Church hat we we want to make people feel like the Catholic Church has panache and hook them while they're young, and I'm like, oh god. 00:19:11.039 --> 00:19:12.160 Uh no I don't know. 00:19:12.559 --> 00:19:13.920 That's not yeah. 00:19:14.319 --> 00:19:17.680 Like the cigarette industry, if only we had their numbers. 00:19:18.559 --> 00:19:26.000 But to me, the idea that uh is the moral of the story or whatnot in this film, it comes down to Rufus. 00:19:26.480 --> 00:19:30.240 Uh, and uh he he's talking about what Jesus said. 00:19:30.400 --> 00:19:35.839 He said, Humanity took a good idea and like always built a belief structure on it. 00:19:36.400 --> 00:19:42.079 And she says, having beliefs isn't good, and he says, I think it's better to have ideas. 00:19:42.240 --> 00:19:43.839 You can change an idea. 00:19:44.079 --> 00:19:46.000 Changing a belief is trickier. 00:19:46.160 --> 00:19:46.400 Yep. 00:19:46.640 --> 00:19:52.319 And I think that's that is kind of the underlying critique on religion. 00:19:52.720 --> 00:19:58.240 Well, yeah, and like where he's talking about nobody, nobody's really gotten it right. 00:19:58.559 --> 00:19:59.119 Yes. 00:19:59.440 --> 00:20:05.279 Like religion, all these groups, these groups, nobody has gotten it 100% right. 00:20:05.920 --> 00:20:10.079 Um, and how that ties back to the end of like I have an idea. 00:20:10.559 --> 00:20:10.880 Right? 00:20:11.119 --> 00:20:22.720 Well, and then and then uh that reminds me of Eddie Izzard where he talks about how like he's uh when he did uh James Mason is God and talking to Jesus, and and Jesus is like, I went down what? 00:20:22.799 --> 00:20:29.359 I went down there, I told them to be all relaxed and groovy, and they split up into different groups, and I don't know what to do. 00:20:29.519 --> 00:20:39.440 When Bartleby was talking about how he was all pissed that like God was so understanding and forgiving of humans, but like so hard on angels, right? 00:20:39.599 --> 00:20:40.079 Or something like that. 00:20:40.319 --> 00:20:43.599 And I and I I don't know, I really felt that. 00:20:43.759 --> 00:20:50.720 Like I felt like Bartleby, like like I don't know, like I feel like sometimes I think firstborn children identified with that. 00:20:51.440 --> 00:20:58.160 Like, yes, and then when it came to the baby, you were all like, that's okay, do what you want, where I was told that was not acceptable. 00:20:58.319 --> 00:21:03.440 Yeah, and and to be perfectly honest, that is old testament versus new testament. 00:21:03.680 --> 00:21:07.519 Yeah, I think the apostles were just like a colossal pain in the ass. 00:21:07.680 --> 00:21:11.039 Can I just like I realized I don't know all their names? 00:21:11.119 --> 00:21:15.200 And I don't think we you know You don't think you need to. 00:21:15.359 --> 00:21:20.720 There's John the Big, John the Small, Simon Simon, Peter, Ringo, Paul. 00:21:21.039 --> 00:21:22.640 You had me until Ringo. 00:21:24.160 --> 00:21:31.119 But doesn't JD Salinger say something in one of his books like Jesus needed those apostles, like he needed a giant hole in his head? 00:21:31.440 --> 00:21:32.000 Yes. 00:21:33.279 --> 00:21:34.559 Especially Peter. 00:21:34.720 --> 00:21:37.279 And I think it's funny because I have a child named Peter. 00:21:37.920 --> 00:21:43.680 And whenever we like meet people, a pre we've met priests like at different parishes, and I'm like, yeah, this is Peter. 00:21:43.839 --> 00:21:50.160 I mean, because he kind of screws up, you know, like but he'll bring it, but he brings it around in the end, and he's a pretty good guy. 00:21:50.400 --> 00:21:51.119 But let's just be honest. 00:21:51.519 --> 00:21:54.400 I guess it's good you didn't have a a a second son named Thomas. 00:21:54.559 --> 00:21:54.880 All right. 00:21:54.960 --> 00:21:58.640 So you got uh he just doubts everything we say. 00:21:58.960 --> 00:21:59.440 He doesn't trust me. 00:22:02.559 --> 00:22:11.839 Peter, Andrew, James, John, Philip, Bartholomew, Thomas, Matthew, James, son of Aphaeus, Thaddeus, Simon, and Judith. 00:22:12.079 --> 00:22:12.960 And Simon, Simon, and Jim. 00:22:13.119 --> 00:22:14.480 It sounds like a law firm. 00:22:14.640 --> 00:22:18.000 Yeah, like the law firm of Simon, Simon, and Jude. 00:22:20.720 --> 00:22:22.720 Have you been hurt in Iraq? 00:22:24.000 --> 00:22:24.480 Sorry. 00:22:24.720 -->

00:22:27.119 We don't get anything if you don't win. 00:22:29.839 --> 00:22:30.559 This is the thing. 00:22:30.720 --> 00:22:42.559 Like, are there are there times, Chrisha, like as a Catholic, when you start getting like hinky about certain things, like when people start quoting the Bible and you're like, I can't even give you a verse. 00:22:42.720 --> 00:22:43.519 Here's what I got. 00:22:43.599 --> 00:22:44.400 I have these shoes. 00:22:44.480 --> 00:22:44.640 Yeah. 00:22:44.799 --> 00:22:47.599 They're gym shoes, they're um sketchers. 00:22:47.839 --> 00:22:54.799 Um, I find that because I have small feet, I have been blessed to be able to afford sketchers. 00:22:55.039 --> 00:22:55.599 It's coming. 00:22:56.400 --> 00:22:59.279 I can't wait to see where this plane is landing. 00:22:59.759 --> 00:23:03.519 No, I can I can afford to buy my shoes in the kids section. 00:23:04.319 --> 00:23:12.480 And because of that, it really does show how mature I am because it's shopping in the kids section. 00:23:12.559 --> 00:23:18.160 I do there's a wide variety of fun stuff that that would not be available for the adults. 00:23:18.400 --> 00:23:27.839 And uh one of them are these uh uh gym shoes that are black and they have a rainbow across the the top of them. 00:23:28.079 --> 00:23:32.400 And I love them, they're very comfortable, and they're pretty. 00:23:32.640 --> 00:23:38.000 And I get a lot of comments at church if I have them on. 00:23:38.240 --> 00:23:40.960 I will always have somebody go, I really like your shoes. 00:23:41.200 --> 00:23:43.519 And here's where I go, huh. 00:23:44.079 --> 00:23:49.759 Because I'm like, is this a rainbow pride or is this a rainbow Jesus after the flood? 00:23:49.839 --> 00:23:50.799 Or is this both? 00:23:51.119 --> 00:23:53.119 Was this a rainbow comment that is specific? 00:23:53.279 --> 00:23:54.079 What are we saying? 00:23:54.160 --> 00:23:59.200 I know rainbows are good across the board, but are you trying to pass a message to me and I don't know what it is? 00:23:59.440 --> 00:24:02.319 What is what is a rainbow Jesus after the flood? 00:24:02.559 --> 00:24:03.920 Did I say Jesus? 00:24:04.240 --> 00:24:06.720 Yes, you said rainbow Jesus after the flood. 00:24:06.799 --> 00:24:15.519 And and now I'm starting to really question how much alcohol I have had because I'm not even the one saying this anymore. 00:24:16.079 --> 00:24:17.279 Rainbow had rainbow Jesus after. 00:24:20.000 --> 00:24:22.240 Yeah, but that's how we became friends. 00:24:22.640 --> 00:24:24.000 I complimented your boots. 00:24:24.160 --> 00:24:27.759 Oh a very expensive pair of boots, I believe that John got you as a gift. 00:24:27.920 --> 00:24:28.079 Yes. 00:24:28.240 --> 00:24:28.799 Oh, look at that. 00:24:29.039 --> 00:24:30.000 340th. 00:24:30.240 --> 00:24:30.799 Yeah. 00:24:31.039 --> 00:24:31.279 Okay. 00:24:31.519 --> 00:24:32.240 If I remember correctly. 00:24:36.799 --> 00:24:37.119 Yes. 00:24:37.279 --> 00:24:37.759 Okay, we'll be right back. 00:24:37.839 --> 00:24:42.240 So that's I yeah, I get I get hinky with like Bible quoting. 00:24:42.400 --> 00:24:50.160 The other thing I get hinky about is when people say, Oh, we're gonna stay after church and have donuts and fellowship. 00:24:50.480 --> 00:24:51.759 What does that mean? 00:24:52.000 --> 00:24:54.799 Are we gonna- My axe of the ring? 00:24:56.000 --> 00:24:57.279 See if there are a ring. 00:24:57.440 --> 00:24:57.920 I brought it back. 00:24:59.200 --> 00:25:02.400 Um trying to be friendly and then make it not creepy. 00:25:02.559 --> 00:25:04.720 Yeah, you say the word fellowship and you have thus crept. 00:25:04.960 --> 00:25:12.240 So the other thing, hinky, um, it's uh when people have something biblical on their back of their vehicle. 00:25:12.480 --> 00:25:14.799 It's a child, not a choice, Trisha. 00:25:15.119 --> 00:25:17.519 And a woman is a vessel, not a human. 00:25:17.680 --> 00:25:17.920 Yes. 00:25:18.079 --> 00:25:20.480 So let's keep Christ and Christmas. 00:25:20.640 --> 00:25:21.039 Yes. 00:25:21.200 --> 00:25:22.079 Oh my god. 00:25:22.240 --> 00:25:29.920 There is a store when I was growing up, the store where you'd go for like all your Catholic merch, you know, like it's a gift shop. 00:25:30.079 --> 00:25:31.599 It was called the Village Dove. 00:25:31.759 --> 00:25:32.720 That's what it was called. 00:25:32.880 --> 00:25:41.279 And we'd go, and my mom would be like, Well, let's go to the village dove get some more figurines for our nativity set because they have to be to scale. 00:25:41.440 --> 00:25:42.640 I don't even know if that store exists. 00:25:42.799 --> 00:25:44.319 Maybe it's just it still exists. 00:25:44.559 --> 00:25:52.799 We did not talk about Matt Damon, Ben Affleck, and we also didn't talk about like I thought Salma Hayek was kind of a fantastic interesting. 00:25:52.960 --> 00:25:57.039 Yeah, like she did a really um She's a strong woman. 00:25:57.200 --> 00:25:57.680 Yes. 00:25:57.920 --> 00:26:02.720 She was able to like be a stripper, but like not be a stripper. 00:26:02.880 --> 00:26:05.599 Like, I don't know, like she really pulled off that whole scene really well. 00:26:05.839 --> 00:26:06.559 Yeah, she did. 00:26:06.799 --> 00:26:09.039 Okay, Michael, did you want to poke the bear real fast? 00:26:09.279 --> 00:26:10.880 Yeah, let's and then Sure. 00:26:11.039 --> 00:26:14.240 Let's take a look at some reviews, some negative reviews from the movie. 00:26:14.400 --> 00:26:26.799 So we take a look at Rotten Tomatoes and the dogma has a 72% on the tomato meter, which is the critics, and an 85% on the popcorn meter, which is, of course, the audience. 00:26:27.440 --> 00:26:35.039 So uh, first one the movie is a failure, but an honest one says North Shore movies. 00:26:37.039 --> 00:26:39.680 I I I don't understand what they mean by a failure. 00:26:39.920 --> 00:26:40.799 An honest one? 00:26:40.960 --> 00:26:41.200 Yeah. 00:26:41.440 --> 00:26:45.839 Where it's like we feel the same way about Catholicism, but it wasn't a good movie. 00:26:46.000 --> 00:26:46.799 Like, I don't know. 00:26:47.200 --> 00:26:48.000 Catholicism. 00:26:48.160 --> 00:26:48.640 A failure. 00:26:49.119 --> 00:26:49.920 Well positive one. 00:26:50.240 --> 00:26:51.200 I just thought it was interesting. 00:26:51.440 --> 00:26:51.839 All right. 00:26:52.000 --> 00:27:04.480 Um Globe and Mail says uh a fresh premise gradually turns stale, and jokes that start out lively end up pooped. 00:27:04.640 --> 00:27:04.960 I don't know. 00:27:05.039 --> 00:27:09.680 I think it was a very complicated plot for a comedy. 00:27:09.920 --> 00:27:16.400 I think they put a lot of effort in research and and actual uh canon and dogma. 00:27:16.799 --> 00:27:30.319 Yes, I think it it was funny because one of the reasons it was funny was because it was something that nobody ever like it's rare to make fun of it in a way that everybody's like, oh, I get that. 00:27:30.480 --> 00:27:34.000 Like nonsense was revolutionary in 1985. 00:27:34.160 --> 00:27:34.319 Right. 00:27:34.559 --> 00:27:36.160 So you're making fun of nuns. 00:27:36.319 --> 00:27:40.880 And then Sister Act came out and it was like not original anymore because Sister Act. 00:27:41.680 --> 00:27:51.839 So um, but yeah, but in a like uh it's it's ripping or mocking, but in a playful, like in a I it comes from a place I think of love. 00:27:52.079 --> 00:27:58.480 Yes, and knowing, absolutely and not not condescension, but more of a hey, let's be real about this. 00:27:58.720 --> 00:27:58.880 Yeah. 00:27:59.119 --> 00:28:01.440 I think Trisha, you nailed it with what you just said. 00:28:01.599 --> 00:28:05.759 Like, I as a Catholic, at no point was I even remotely offended. 00:28:05.920 --> 00:28:06.640 Isn't that weird? 00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:11.839 Like, no, no alarm bell or weird, like, hey, that never happened. 00:28:12.079 --> 00:28:12.720 Never happened. 00:28:12.799 --> 00:28:17.440 I knew it was all in good fun, uh, but I mean I am emotionally mature, you know. 00:28:17.759 --> 00:28:18.319 All right. 00:28:18.880 --> 00:28:25.680 We greatly appreciate all of our listeners for choosing this podcast, supporting independent films and the Blue Whiskey Independent Film Festival. 00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:26.640 I'm Jonathan C. 00:28:26.799 --> 00:28:29.039 Leggett, and thanks for imbibing with us. 00:28:29.279 --> 00:28:29.920 Cheers.