Full Transcript for AEW WrestleDream Fallout

70 00:04:35.660 --> 00:04:39.810 in-person experience, it just, it just, it's live wrestling's great. 71 00:04:40.120 --> 00:04:42.370 You know, I think if you take people who say 72 00:04:42.379 --> 00:04:45.870 they're not wrestling fans to a good show live, they 73 00:04:45.910 --> 00:04:47.610 may not be a regular viewer, but they're going to 74 00:04:47.649 --> 00:04:49.889 walk away saying, yeah, no, I did enjoy that. And 75 00:04:50.050 --> 00:04:50.870 it was a blast, man. 76 00:04:51.709 --> 00:04:54.610 It's a funny that you said that because my daughter 77 00:04:54.649 --> 00:04:58.660 is going to, and my son-in-law are going to, um 78 00:04:59.279 --> 00:05:06.050 full gear uh on november 14th yeah and they're taking 79 00:05:06.509 --> 00:05:10.689 my two of my grandchildren with them and they have 80 00:05:10.870 --> 00:05:13.529 never really watched wrestling at all i don't think they've 81 00:05:13.629 --> 00:05:16.819 ever watched wrestling at all and even though they know 82 00:05:16.839 --> 00:05:20.160 they're going to full gear they still haven't watched wrestling 83 00:05:20.519 --> 00:05:24.819 so they're going in completely blind So maybe what you 84 00:05:24.899 --> 00:05:28.389 say may come to fruition. Before I get to everybody else, though, Barry, 85 00:05:28.589 --> 00:05:32.649 I want to go to the chat. And Flyboy Rex 86 00:05:32.709 --> 00:05:37.269 is here, our good friend. Let's go, he says. Salute 87 00:05:37.290 --> 00:05:41.850 to all my sickos. And little Freddy Fringers, I read this. 88 00:05:41.910 --> 00:05:45.209 I'm going to read this out loud. It's okay. Here 89 00:05:45.230 --> 00:05:47.769 we go. Do you think the people in charge will 90 00:05:47.870 --> 00:05:50.269 ever flip the ring upside down and have a match 91 00:05:50.329 --> 00:05:53.220 inside of it? That is one of the strangest comments 92 00:05:53.259 --> 00:05:56.879 we have ever gotten on this, Freddie. Congratulations. I wish 93 00:05:56.949 --> 00:05:59.970 I could give awards. I have no answer to that. 94 00:06:00.529 --> 00:06:02.069 How do you bump in a ring like that? 95 00:06:02.410 --> 00:06:03.329 The inverted ring. 96 00:06:03.350 --> 00:06:04.430 How do you bump? 97 00:06:04.449 --> 00:06:07.610 You're underneath it, I guess. 98 00:06:07.649 --> 00:06:10.060 You're in the springs. Like, I don't know how that works. 99 00:06:10.959 --> 00:06:14.480 In the weeds, so to speak. All right, then. Well, 100 00:06:14.500 --> 00:06:17.180 let's go to the rest of the podcast team and 101 00:06:17.279 --> 00:06:22.480 see what they have to say about this. AEW Wrestle Dream. 102 00:06:22.500 --> 00:06:24.850 What kind of stars? You gave it four and a half, 103 00:06:24.930 --> 00:06:25.529 didn't you, Barry? 104 00:06:26.629 --> 00:06:29.069 Yeah, I'd say four and a quarter, four and a half, somewhere. 105 00:06:28.889 --> 00:06:31.569 In that range. Okay. Who wants to go next? Chris, 106 00:06:31.610 --> 00:06:32.230 let's go to you. 107

00:06:33.990 --> 00:06:36.589 Yeah, I'd put it in the four to four and 108 00:06:36.610 --> 00:06:39.459 a half star range. I agree. There was not a 109 00:06:39.639 --> 00:06:43.660 bad match on the card. There were some absolutely fantastic. 110 00:06:43.879 --> 00:06:47.379 I mean, that tag team match was Young Bucks versus 111 00:06:47.860 --> 00:06:48.540 Fletch Knights. 112 00:06:49.819 --> 00:06:50.550 It was bonkers. 113 00:06:51.540 --> 00:06:54.600 Oh, yeah, it was bonkers in the best of ways. 114 00:06:55.040 --> 00:06:57.000 That was match of the night, I think, for me. 115 00:06:58.180 --> 00:07:01.240 I enjoyed the Clockwork Carnage match. 116 00:07:01.759 --> 00:07:05.649 We're going to be talking about Clockwork Carnage, giving a 117 00:07:05.689 --> 00:07:08.610 review of that match specifically, so let's not go too 118 00:07:08.629 --> 00:07:09.009 much into that. 119 00:07:09.069 --> 00:07:12.350 I've got some interesting in-person observations that I don't think 120 00:07:12.389 --> 00:07:15.639 people watching live would get that I want to share, too, 121 00:07:15.660 --> 00:07:17.459 specifically on that, Kelson, so it's good to hear. 122 00:07:18.000 --> 00:07:20.759 Okay, so let's go to, you know what? Jess, you're 123 00:07:20.779 --> 00:07:23.579 going to come in last this week. Val, let's go 124 00:07:23.600 --> 00:07:23.819 to you. 125 00:07:24.000 --> 00:07:28.100 It was pretty good, actually. You know, with everything that 126 00:07:28.160 --> 00:07:31.459 happened in the past month, I thought that the buildup 127 00:07:31.500 --> 00:07:36.120 was like so-so. And I was a little bit worried 128 00:07:36.160 --> 00:07:38.980 about it, but I enjoyed it very, very much. And 129 00:07:39.040 --> 00:07:41.300 I agree with Chris on the match of the night 130 00:07:41.379 --> 00:07:43.959 was the tag team. It was fantastic. 131 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:45.050 The crowd was hot. 132 00:07:47.110 --> 00:07:50.939 I was surprised, though, that the women's match started the show, 133 00:07:51.060 --> 00:07:54.220 but I think it was great. But overall, I loved it. 134 00:07:54.319 --> 00:07:57.199 So four to four and a half for me. 135 00:07:57.220 --> 00:07:59.620 All right, Jess, you're up. Let's hear what you have 136 00:07:59.660 --> 00:08:00.379 to say. 137 00:08:00.720 --> 00:08:01.439 A four. 138 00:08:02.639 --> 00:08:06.839 I admit to being, and maybe this is just me 139 00:08:06.939 --> 00:08:11.220 being dope, and I should have seen this coming, but 140 00:08:11.279 --> 00:08:15.199 I was really, really, really wanting Tecla to beat Mercedes. 141 00:08:15.920 --> 00:08:20.810 didn't happen um but match of the night for me 142 00:08:20.829 --> 00:08:25.629 i would have to say uh john moxley versus dunk 143 00:08:25.649 --> 00:08:32.909 zilla the storytelling in that match was excellent just top 144 00:08:32.980 --> 00:08:35.159 shelf storytelling. 145 00:08:34.279 --> 00:08:38.539 You know for me look it's really difficult to give 146 00:08:38.580 --> 00:08:43.019 a grade on this because with pax unfortunate passing and 147 00:08:43.059 --> 00:08:47.659 then you know, Tony Khan said specifically that he did 148 00:08:47.700 --> 00:08:51.519 not do any story during the PAC tribute show, tribute 149 00:08:51.620 --> 00:08:58.850 shows basically, because PAC, the fans, the wrestlers, everybody deserved 150 00:08:59.450 --> 00:09:02.549 a true tribute to PAC. And I appreciated that, but 151 00:09:02.590 --> 00:09:05.789 it did hurt the, the buildup to the pay-per-view. Um, 152 00:09:06.519 --> 00:09:11.500 of course there was no story in, in, uh, the 153 00:09:11.559 --> 00:09:16.789 France thing. The, uh, grand slam france and then the 154 00:09:16.909 --> 00:09:22.399 qualifying matches for the clockwork carnage were in my opinion 155 00:09:22.419 --> 00:09:26.559 a complete waste of time because it was absolutely nothing 156 00:09:26.620 --> 00:09:31.519 unpredictable happened in that i give this uh pay-per-view a 157 00:09:32.120 --> 00:09:36.320 three i i enjoyed parts of it and but parts 158 00:09:36.360 --> 00:09:38.139 of it were mid and it was right in the 159 00:09:38.179 --> 00:09:41.710 middle for me so three not necessarily a bad pay-per-view 160 00:09:42.220 --> 00:09:46.200 Just nothing that really stood out for me. You know, 161 00:09:46.919 --> 00:09:55.830 just everything's whatever your preference is. But go ahead. 162 00:09:55.870 --> 00:09:59.370 I was going to say, I think everybody knew that 163 00:09:59.389 --> 00:10:06.070 the story. going in was hampered through circumstances beyond anybody's control. 164 00:10:06.840 --> 00:10:09.169 So I think everybody just made the most of what 165 00:10:09.220 --> 00:10:12.659 they could and just cooked in the ring whenever possible 166 00:10:12.679 --> 00:10:14.940 to make up for it. 167 00:10:15.059 --> 00:10:18.899 Yeah, but again, it's to each their own because... In 168 00:10:18.980 --> 00:10:22.779 my opinion, you loved the Jon Moxley and Dunk Zilla match. 169 00:10:23.679 --> 00:10:25.799 I thought it was awful. I couldn't wait for it 170 00:10:25.820 --> 00:10:28.279 to be over. I thought it was awful. There was 171 00:10:28.350 --> 00:10:32.009 very little good about it. You know, that's just the 172 00:10:32.029 --> 00:10:38.870 way I am. You're different. Barry's different. Whatever. I'm not 173 00:10:39.610 --> 00:10:43.120 crapping on the show at all. It's just that maybe 174 00:10:43.200 --> 00:10:45.559 I wasn't in the right mindset to watch the show. 175 00:10:46.639 --> 00:10:49.519 You know, you have one of those days, too. So 176 00:10:49.600 --> 00:10:51.000 that's quite a possibility. 177 00:10:51.639 --> 00:10:55.340 Kelsey, how much do you think that is because how 178 00:10:55.899 --> 00:10:58.200 we pause for a second, how much do you think 179 00:10:58.600 --> 00:11:02.950 the build or the lack of through for the exact 180 00:11:02.970 --> 00:11:06.750 same things you

mentioned contributed to the mindset when you 181 00:11:06.789 --> 00:11:08.389 observed the show? Cause I think that's a really good 182 00:11:08.409 --> 00:11:11.990 point you bring in. You can, when we view these, 183 00:11:12.029 --> 00:11:15.149 we want certain anticipations to pay off. And if those 184 00:11:15.250 --> 00:11:19.179 anticipations aren't there, It doesn't matter how objectively good the 185 00:11:19.220 --> 00:11:23.120 wrestling is. That emotional component doesn't hit, which impacts your 186 00:11:23.139 --> 00:11:25.480 enjoyment of a show. So how much do you think 187 00:11:25.559 --> 00:11:26.580 that played in here for you? 188 00:11:27.360 --> 00:11:30.320 For me, not really that much, other than I was 189 00:11:30.500 --> 00:11:34.860 really ticked off about the main event and the qualifiers. 190 00:11:35.220 --> 00:11:37.590 Because I thought, again, as I said earlier, I thought 191 00:11:37.610 --> 00:11:40.389 they were a complete waste of time. I really did. 192 00:11:40.409 --> 00:11:45.309 I felt insulted, to be honest with you. I understand 193 00:11:45.409 --> 00:11:49.169 why they did it. I understand why Tony Khan booked 194 00:11:49.220 --> 00:11:56.100 it that way because it was something that, how do 195 00:11:56.120 --> 00:11:59.620 I put this? It's something that really didn't need too 196 00:11:59.659 --> 00:12:03.500 much of a build. The main event didn't need too 197 00:12:03.519 --> 00:12:06.120 much of a build. The qualifiers acted as a build. 198 00:12:07.120 --> 00:12:10.340 Some people liked the qualifiers. I personally did not like 199 00:12:10.840 --> 00:12:13.379 any of them because every single one of them were predictable. 200 00:12:14.059 --> 00:12:16.539 There was no surprises at all. I mean, it was 201 00:12:16.600 --> 00:12:18.659 just a lot. 202 00:12:18.679 --> 00:12:20.710 Yeah, but outside of the main event, though, because it's 203 00:12:20.750 --> 00:12:23.649 a big card. So what, you know, that's one match. 204 00:12:23.830 --> 00:12:25.070 So what? 205 00:12:25.210 --> 00:12:27.850 Okay, well, I'll give you, again, there was, what, there 206 00:12:27.889 --> 00:12:32.299 was eight matches on the main card? I've already said, 207 00:12:32.360 --> 00:12:36.419 I thought Jon Moxley and Mark Davis, Dunkzilla is the 208 00:12:36.460 --> 00:12:38.299 dumbest name I've ever heard in my life, by the way. 209 00:12:39.940 --> 00:12:43.529 That match was awful, right? Nick Wayne and. 210 00:12:44.120 --> 00:12:46.440 No, not right. I mean, you can think it was awful, 211 00:12:46.460 --> 00:12:48.500 but I don't think you can say right. 212 00:12:48.840 --> 00:12:53.539 That's my opinion. Nick Wayne and Chris Jericho was a 213 00:12:54.980 --> 00:12:59.220 filler match for all filler matches, and I didn't appreciate it. 214 00:12:59.379 --> 00:13:03.750 I mean, it was boring. You know, to be honest 215 00:13:03.789 --> 00:13:08.649 with you, the Tekla and Mercedes-Benz match, I was disappointed 216 00:13:08.669 --> 00:13:10.289 in it because it just seemed to end all of 217 00:13:10.309 --> 00:13:13.840 a sudden. It just seemed to end. There was no, 218 00:13:13.960 --> 00:13:16.159 it was going along and then boom, it was over. 219 00:13:16.179 --> 00:13:20.490 I was like, what happened? You know, it was just, 220 00:13:20.990 --> 00:13:23.429 it was just weird for me. Like four to matches 221 00:13:24.029 --> 00:13:28.289 out of the eight were not enjoyable to me. And 222 00:13:28.389 --> 00:13:32.980 therefore it's a three, you know? But anyway, let's move on. 223 00:13:33.440 --> 00:13:36.700 Let's talk about that main event. I want to hear 224 00:13:36.799 --> 00:13:41.039 your guys' opinions about, oh crap, I put the wrong 225 00:13:41.059 --> 00:13:41.539 graphic up. 226 00:13:43.960 --> 00:13:48.080 Oh, you're going to get a copyright strike for that graphic, mister. 227 00:13:48.360 --> 00:13:52.139 I tell you what. Okay. There we go. 228 00:13:52.159 --> 00:13:53.519 There we go. 229 00:13:53.870 --> 00:13:59.309 Clockwork. I almost said Clockwork Orange anyway. Clockwork Carnage, the 230 00:13:59.429 --> 00:14:06.000 main event. Again, I understand why they did this. would 231 00:14:06.179 --> 00:14:09.330 not be my first. I'll say this before everybody gets 232 00:14:09.350 --> 00:14:11.789 their opinion. In no way, shape, or form should this 233 00:14:11.870 --> 00:14:14.389 match have been the main event. That's my opinion, but 234 00:14:14.409 --> 00:14:15.789 I'd like to hear what you guys have to think. 235 00:14:15.889 --> 00:14:20.639 I like Raven's Clockwork Orange House of Fun better. It 236 00:14:20.659 --> 00:14:24.019 was fun. It was fun. I have to tip the 237 00:14:24.039 --> 00:14:27.460 hat to AEW to actually trying something new and trying 238 00:14:27.539 --> 00:14:33.960 to invent their own new stipulation type of match. Kind 239 00:14:34.019 --> 00:14:37.120 of reminds me of back in the day when TNA 240 00:14:37.200 --> 00:14:38.960 invented the King of the Mountain match. 241 00:14:39.200 --> 00:14:39.539 Okay. 242 00:14:39.980 --> 00:14:41.860 I want everybody else to talk before I give some 243 00:14:41.919 --> 00:14:43.500 in-person perspectives. 244 00:14:43.590 --> 00:14:46.090 Okay, that's fair. Val or Chris? 245 00:14:47.769 --> 00:14:52.529 I like the match overall. I think there's probably some 246 00:14:52.649 --> 00:14:59.960 ways it can be enhanced. I don't know who mentioned it. 247 00:15:00.009 --> 00:15:00.450 I saw it. 248 00:15:00.470 --> 00:15:05.909 It was either on the Reddit or the Discord. Having it, everyone, 249 00:15:05.950 --> 00:15:09.090 you know, to timed entrances, but you don't start the 250 00:15:09.450 --> 00:15:14.570 Iron Man deal until you're down to four. Because, like 251 00:15:14.590 --> 00:15:18.070 someone said, six wrestlers in that was a lot, and 252 00:15:18.129 --> 00:15:22.889 it was, I don't like that Speedball and Tecesta were 253 00:15:22.909

--> 00:15:25.649 the two eliminated. I honestly think, you know what, I'm 254 00:15:25.690 --> 00:15:27.250 going to say that Cope should have been the first 255 00:15:27.370 --> 00:15:30.379 one eliminated, too. I know that's not going to be 256 00:15:30.450 --> 00:15:33.970 a popular sentiment, but that's what I feel like. And 257 00:15:33.990 --> 00:15:39.649 I think, I don't know who you could have eliminated 258 00:15:39.730 --> 00:15:42.789 instead of Speedball. It just, there were a lot of 259 00:15:42.830 --> 00:15:45.509 things I liked about it, but there were enough things 260 00:15:45.820 --> 00:15:50.200 I didn't like where it gets like three and a 261 00:15:50.240 --> 00:15:53.679 half from me. Like it was solid. I liked that 262 00:15:53.720 --> 00:15:57.220 they did something new. I think they need to find 263 00:15:57.279 --> 00:15:58.769 some tweaks to improve. 264 00:15:58.950 --> 00:16:00.950 Okay. Val? 265 00:16:02.470 --> 00:16:06.970 I enjoyed it, but I agree there's need to be 266 00:16:07.009 --> 00:16:11.090 a little bit of twerps to improve on it. 267 00:16:12.200 --> 00:16:14.519 Wait, twerks? Everyone needs to twerk. 268 00:16:14.559 --> 00:16:16.220 Yeah, we'll ask them to not twerk. 269 00:16:17.240 --> 00:16:19.860 At the top of the stage until. 270 00:16:19.720 --> 00:16:22.580 Their time has come. I think you meant tweaks there, Val. 271 00:16:22.600 --> 00:16:23.399 Tweaks, not twerks. 272 00:16:23.440 --> 00:16:23.860 Yeah, sorry. 273 00:16:34.370 --> 00:16:35.870 That's just how they roll in Quebec. 274 00:16:35.950 --> 00:16:39.110 I watched it like Sunday morning because it was very, 275 00:16:39.169 --> 00:16:43.450 very late for me. It was like 11.30. So I 276 00:16:43.529 --> 00:16:49.750 watched it and the end of it kind of threw 277 00:16:49.809 --> 00:16:53.049 me off because it was like three seconds and Osprey 278 00:16:53.129 --> 00:16:56.519 pinned Cope and then one, two, three. And I was like, okay, 279 00:16:56.559 --> 00:16:57.000 that's it. 280 00:16:57.059 --> 00:16:57.620 That's done. 281 00:16:57.639 --> 00:17:00.799 I was like, I was a little bit surprised by 282 00:17:00.840 --> 00:17:04.460 the end of it. So that's why it threw me 283 00:17:04.559 --> 00:17:09.349 off a little bit. But I enjoyed the idea of it. 284 00:17:10.240 --> 00:17:13.759 Not like every pay-per-view, but at least once a year 285 00:17:13.799 --> 00:17:17.039 to have that type of match, just like the anarchy 286 00:17:17.079 --> 00:17:19.380 in the arena type of thing. So that would be 287 00:17:19.920 --> 00:17:21.720 something to consider, in my opinion. 288 00:17:21.900 --> 00:17:24.640 All right, Barry, tell us your in-person experience. 289 00:17:25.279 --> 00:17:29.369 So I got a couple perspectives here. So feedback on 290 00:17:29.390 --> 00:17:31.789 this match is pretty similar to the first time they 291 00:17:31.829 --> 00:17:35.440 did the Casino Battle Royal. And I think it's justified. 292 00:17:36.980 --> 00:17:42.720 I agree that this probably shouldn't be a main event, 293 00:17:43.119 --> 00:17:45.380 although I'm okay with it being a main event this 294 00:17:45.440 --> 00:17:48.859 year because they had it for the title. I think 295 00:17:48.900 --> 00:17:51.880 going forward, this should be an annual thing at WrestleDream, 296 00:17:52.349 --> 00:17:54.809 but it should be for a title shot at Full Gear. 297 00:17:55.470 --> 00:17:58.880 And I think that would... make more sense then that 298 00:17:58.940 --> 00:18:00.740 doesn't need to be the main event just like the 299 00:18:00.779 --> 00:18:02.680 royal rumble isn't the main event of the royal rumble 300 00:18:03.539 --> 00:18:09.009 um in person the match i think was more fun 301 00:18:09.049 --> 00:18:12.650 than possibly watching it at home You had the excitement 302 00:18:13.130 --> 00:18:16.509 of who's coming in next. And I timed the entrances. 303 00:18:16.569 --> 00:18:22.430 They varied between two minutes and 15 seconds and like 345. 304 00:18:22.430 --> 00:18:25.359 Most people were very close to three o'clock, but not 305 00:18:25.400 --> 00:18:27.980 three o'clock, three minutes. But some came in sooner. Some 306 00:18:28.000 --> 00:18:30.579 came in later. I'm assuming that was based on them 307 00:18:30.640 --> 00:18:34.789 waiting for whatever spots were supposed to occur before the queues. But, um, 308 00:18:36.289 --> 00:18:38.390 last week we talked about how, and this is coming off, 309 00:18:38.430 --> 00:18:41.589 Chris said that eight people for the scoring phase was 310 00:18:41.630 --> 00:18:43.920 too much. We figured there'd be eliminations. I think a 311 00:18:43.960 --> 00:18:45.799 couple of us, myself figured it was going to be 312 00:18:45.880 --> 00:18:48.359 Okada to catch that because of their storyline. It makes 313 00:18:48.380 --> 00:18:51.059 sense for one of them to be delivered, eliminated. That 314 00:18:51.099 --> 00:18:54.380 was the case. Uh, it was a question of who else, uh, 315 00:18:54.710 --> 00:18:56.349 around us. A lot of people thought it was going 316 00:18:56.369 --> 00:18:58.009 to be a ricochet. I thought it was probably going 317 00:18:58.029 --> 00:19:00.670 to be speedball and it was, I think six people 318 00:19:00.690 --> 00:19:05.170 was fine for the scoring rounds. when that scoring round occurred, 319 00:19:05.970 --> 00:19:08.619 having the totals up on, and I don't know how 320 00:19:08.640 --> 00:19:10.940 this was presented on TV. Cause I haven't seen it yet, 321 00:19:11.900 --> 00:19:15.519 but on the big screen above the stage, they had 322 00:19:15.799 --> 00:19:18.690 who was in lead, like who had scored points and 323 00:19:18.869 --> 00:19:21.789 everybody around us constantly was taught who's up, who's down, 324 00:19:21.849 --> 00:19:24.670 who's got a blah, blah, blah, like very interactive in 325 00:19:24.690 --> 00:19:26.809 the crowd. We were constantly looking at who was up, 326 00:19:26.869 -->

00:19:31.200 who was down, who needed to tie up and to it, 327 00:19:32.150 --> 00:19:34.829 T everybody around us assumed it was going to go 328 00:19:34.849 --> 00:19:37.180 to overtime because isn't that always the case in Ironman 329 00:19:37.220 --> 00:19:39.599 matches like it always goes to overtime right sudden death. 330 00:19:40.400 --> 00:19:43.460 So when the finish happened part of me wonders if 331 00:19:43.519 --> 00:19:46.109 that was Tony and Will and whoever produced the match 332 00:19:46.150 --> 00:19:49.349 I don't know kind of swerving the crowd assuming it 333 00:19:49.410 --> 00:19:52.670 would go to overtime. overtime and maybe saving that. But 334 00:19:52.710 --> 00:19:55.490 I very much like that Takeshita was eliminated because it 335 00:19:55.529 --> 00:19:58.339 established right out of the gate. The next time they 336 00:19:58.359 --> 00:20:01.460 do this, big stars can and will be eliminated before 337 00:20:01.480 --> 00:20:05.420 the scoring round. Whether they tweak it at all so 338 00:20:05.440 --> 00:20:07.859 that there's less people in the scoring round, I don't know. 339 00:20:08.990 --> 00:20:10.670 I think it was fine with the six people. If 340 00:20:10.690 --> 00:20:13.529 they change it and it's four, I'm okay with that too. 341 00:20:13.730 --> 00:20:15.069 You know, they can play with it a little bit. 342 00:20:15.549 --> 00:20:17.880 But by and large, I think this match has a 343 00:20:17.890 --> 00:20:20.700 lot of potential. I liked that there were two phases 344 00:20:20.740 --> 00:20:24.440 to the match. I really liked the scoring phase. In person, 345 00:20:24.460 --> 00:20:27.799 the fans, we really enjoyed it. We really liked following 346 00:20:27.819 --> 00:20:29.980 along who was up and who was down. A lot 347 00:20:30.009 --> 00:20:32.509 of interaction between us and the stands trying to keep track. 348 00:20:33.349 --> 00:20:36.650 And in general, I think for a V show, this 349 00:20:36.710 --> 00:20:39.089 is the type of show that needs a gimmick match 350 00:20:39.130 --> 00:20:41.509 like that. And I think you can really play with it. 351 00:20:42.230 --> 00:20:43.690 And I'm looking forward to what they do with it 352 00:20:43.730 --> 00:20:44.029 next year. 353 00:20:44.250 --> 00:20:46.569 Yeah, you know, the thing with me, okay, I have 354 00:20:46.589 --> 00:20:48.740 a few things to say here. First of all, I 355 00:20:48.779 --> 00:20:51.119 was not surprised at all that Mike Bailey was the 356 00:20:51.160 --> 00:20:55.029 first eliminated. I think we all kind of expected that. 357 00:20:55.730 --> 00:20:57.309 When I say we all, the people that I was 358 00:20:57.349 --> 00:21:03.819 talking to. The second thing is, there was two things 359 00:21:03.839 --> 00:21:06.980 that surprised me in this match. One was that D'Caster 360 00:21:07.019 --> 00:21:11.140 was eliminated second. And the other was, as you said, Barry, 361 00:21:11.940 --> 00:21:13.680 that it didn't go into

overtime. 362 00:21:14.339 --> 00:21:14.579 Okay? 363 00:21:14.599 --> 00:21:14.680 Okay. 364 00:21:15.410 --> 00:21:18.009 Now, the reasons why I thought this match needed a 365 00:21:18.049 --> 00:21:21.329 little bit more tweaking is, as it is with all 366 00:21:21.750 --> 00:21:25.690 multi-man matches, and you guys know, if you've been paying 367 00:21:25.730 --> 00:21:29.000 attention to what I say during the podcast, I do 368 00:21:29.099 --> 00:21:34.279 not like multi-man matches at all. Period. And this was 369 00:21:34.299 --> 00:21:37.000 a multi-man match. And basically what I saw was a 370 00:21:37.019 --> 00:21:40.079 whole bunch of standing around doing nothing. You know, a 371 00:21:40.200 --> 00:21:43.200 couple people, maybe three, were in the ring. The other 372 00:21:43.259 --> 00:21:50.490 three in the scoring segment were doing nothing. Absolutely nothing 373 00:21:50.529 --> 00:21:55.599 for no reason. They didn't sell that well. The other 374 00:21:55.640 --> 00:21:57.839 thing that I will say that I did not really 375 00:21:57.900 --> 00:22:01.920 like about this match is pretty much everybody knew that 376 00:22:01.960 --> 00:22:04.200 Will Ospreay was going to win, so what was the point? 377 00:22:05.500 --> 00:22:08.799 This was a glorified exhibition match. We're going to talk 378 00:22:08.839 --> 00:22:11.440 about Will Ospreay and what's next for him, but I 379 00:22:11.460 --> 00:22:15.779 think this hurt Will Ospreay's run more than it can help. 380 00:22:16.539 --> 00:22:20.200 I mean, it's your opinion. 381 00:22:20.980 --> 00:22:25.880 Okay, but the other thing is one of the things 382 00:22:25.900 --> 00:22:30.109 that during our live chat, it was once it got 383 00:22:30.150 --> 00:22:33.230 into the elimination round, I personally thought there were way 384 00:22:33.250 --> 00:22:36.990 too many pins. These are the creme de la creme. 385 00:22:37.009 --> 00:22:39.970 They were pinning each other like crazy. There was like, what, 386 00:22:40.430 --> 00:22:43.750 seven or eight pins during that 15-minute round? But one 387 00:22:43.769 --> 00:22:47.450 of the things, that was said a lot was that 388 00:22:47.710 --> 00:22:49.849 Iron Man section, well, it shouldn't have been called an 389 00:22:49.910 --> 00:22:52.710 Iron Man section because people in the chat were saying, 390 00:22:53.910 --> 00:22:56.589 quite a bit of them were saying, this should not 391 00:22:56.609 --> 00:22:59.480 be 15 minutes, it should be five minutes. And that 392 00:22:59.519 --> 00:23:01.539 told me people were just waiting for this to be over. 393 00:23:02.700 --> 00:23:06.180 You know, it may be, for Barry, it may be 394 00:23:06.259 --> 00:23:11.220 translated well live. On TV, for me, it flopped badly. 395 00:23:12.299 --> 00:23:16.880 And... And it's funny because I saw some people say, well, 396 00:23:16.900 --> 00:23:19.529 the scoring round should have been longer. And I actually 397 00:23:19.569 --> 00:23:23.730 think

15 minutes or 10 minutes is probably appropriate, specifically 398 00:23:23.750 --> 00:23:28.299 for the reason you stated. When you've got four plus 399 00:23:28.339 --> 00:23:31.940 people out there, the longer it runs, the more dead 400 00:23:31.980 --> 00:23:33.640 time you have for them to figure out what to 401 00:23:33.680 --> 00:23:37.460 be doing outside of the ring. And if they like 402 00:23:37.500 --> 00:23:39.900 a 20 or 25 minute scoring period, there'd just be 403 00:23:39.920 --> 00:23:42.769 too much dead time. So I thought 15 was pretty close. 404 00:23:42.890 --> 00:23:44.509 Maybe 10 minutes would make more sense. 405 00:23:45.069 --> 00:23:45.589 Yeah. 406 00:23:45.670 --> 00:23:49.190 But I agree with you on that. Yeah. You, the 407 00:23:49.230 --> 00:23:52.630 other thing too, is for, I saw some interesting conversations. 408 00:23:52.670 --> 00:23:55.470 I was on the F4W online message board and we 409 00:23:55.490 --> 00:24:00.099 were talking about this match a lot. And some folks were, 410 00:24:00.119 --> 00:24:03.849 we were talking about like, when you're producing this match, 411 00:24:04.049 --> 00:24:05.410 how do you produce the pins? 412 00:24:05.549 --> 00:24:05.789 Right. 413 00:24:05.890 --> 00:24:09.490 Because you got top guys in there and we all 414 00:24:09.549 --> 00:24:13.809 know how much kicking out occurs in a W. So what, 415 00:24:14.150 --> 00:24:16.390 what do you like, how do you produce this? And 416 00:24:16.670 --> 00:24:18.410 one of the takes that I thought was really interesting 417 00:24:18.470 --> 00:24:20.490 and I hadn't considered, especially when I was, I was 418 00:24:20.509 --> 00:24:25.369 there is when your win is on the line mentally. 419 00:24:25.430 --> 00:24:27.490 And I, and I thought this was pretty grounded in reality. 420 00:24:27.529 --> 00:24:29.450 Like you're going to fight to your death to avoid 421 00:24:29.470 --> 00:24:33.440 being pinned, but, if you take a finisher and a 422 00:24:33.500 --> 00:24:35.240 match where you can, you can eat a pin and 423 00:24:35.289 --> 00:24:38.269 it doesn't really impact your ability unless you really get 424 00:24:38.309 --> 00:24:40.950 into the inside baseball metrics and stuff. And they're all 425 00:24:40.990 --> 00:24:43.349 in their heads keeping track. And in 15 minutes, I just, 426 00:24:43.509 --> 00:24:46.529 I don't realistically think that's the case. You're going to 427 00:24:46.549 --> 00:24:48.089 give up a pen just so you can, you can 428 00:24:48.130 --> 00:24:50.890 roll on and try to attack again. So like, I 429 00:24:50.930 --> 00:24:56.410 wasn't too upset with people eating pins. I thought for 430 00:24:56.519 --> 00:24:59.539 me from a production standpoint, how they produce the match, 431 00:25:00.170 --> 00:25:02.630 There were too many pins early. There was about four 432 00:25:02.650 --> 00:25:04.450 or five minutes where there weren't any pins, and then 433 00:25:04.490 --> 00:25:07.099 there was a flurry at the end. Had they paced 434 00:25:07.170 --> 00:25:09.160 some of those and built them a little bit more, 435 00:25:09.180 --> 00:25:11.039 I think it would have made a little more sense. 436 00:25:11.160 --> 00:25:16.619 I understand the Osprey and Adam Copeland stuff. And to 437 00:25:16.640 --> 00:25:18.940 your point, Chris, Copeland wasn't supposed to even be in 438 00:25:18.960 --> 00:25:20.930 the match. It was just because J.Y. got hurt. And 439 00:25:20.970 --> 00:25:24.049 so they've kind of hooked that into his storyline for retirement, 440 00:25:24.089 --> 00:25:27.440 and they're setting something up. And I think... That also 441 00:25:27.579 --> 00:25:29.920 impacted kind of how they had to produce the match 442 00:25:29.980 --> 00:25:31.849 and not in a good way, Kelson, kind of to 443 00:25:31.869 --> 00:25:34.809 your point. It impacted how they had to put the 444 00:25:34.849 --> 00:25:37.190 finish together to sort of set up that match that 445 00:25:37.230 --> 00:25:41.250 we know is coming down the line. But I would 446 00:25:41.309 --> 00:25:44.450 have had the pins be a little more even through 447 00:25:44.490 --> 00:25:47.269 that scoring period so there wasn't the big flurry at 448 00:25:47.289 --> 00:25:49.230 the beginning and the big flurry at the end. But, 449 00:25:50.690 --> 00:25:52.130 you know, you got to book what you got to 450 00:25:52.170 --> 00:25:54.750 book for what you're planning down the line. So it 451 00:25:54.809 --> 00:25:55.299 is what it is. 452 00:25:55.769 --> 00:25:57.829 How many pins did Ospreay get to win? Was it three? 453 00:25:58.569 --> 00:25:59.930 Three, yeah. 454 00:26:00.109 --> 00:26:03.869 And then there was two wrestlers that had two. And 455 00:26:03.890 --> 00:26:08.369 then I think... I think only one didn't have many. 456 00:26:09.190 --> 00:26:12.609 And there was one that had zero. That's way too 457 00:26:12.650 --> 00:26:15.470 many pins. For the caliber of talent that was in 458 00:26:15.519 --> 00:26:19.180 the ring, that's just way too many pins. I'm sorry, 459 00:26:19.420 --> 00:26:19.920 it just was. 460 00:26:19.940 --> 00:26:21.099 We'll see what they do next time with it. 461 00:26:22.359 --> 00:26:22.640 Yeah. 462 00:26:23.500 --> 00:26:27.180 I want to move on to... talking about Will Osprey 463 00:26:27.200 --> 00:26:30.140 and what's next for Will Osprey. Look, one way you 464 00:26:30.160 --> 00:26:33.529 can look at it, and it's not really a justified way, 465 00:26:33.589 --> 00:26:35.170 but there are going to be people that look at 466 00:26:35.190 --> 00:26:39.710 it this way. Will Osprey just beat or survived seven 467 00:26:39.869 --> 00:26:43.490 of the top contenders for the title. We know that 468 00:26:44.009 --> 00:26:52.799 Adam Copeland is going to probably get a title shot. 469 00:26:52.900 --> 00:26:55.140 Whether Will Ospreay is the champion when he gets a 470 00:26:55.160 --> 00:26:58.789 title shot, that remains to be seen. We

know that 471 00:26:58.890 --> 00:27:03.569 Andrade Alidolo is going to have a title shot. So 472 00:27:03.670 --> 00:27:08.509 that remains to be seen. FIFO is reporting that MJF's 473 00:27:08.579 --> 00:27:12.180 return is imminent, and he's going to have a title shot. 474 00:27:12.559 --> 00:27:15.220 And they actually said that they believe that MJF is 475 00:27:15.259 --> 00:27:17.680 going to win the title off of Will Ospreay. If 476 00:27:17.720 --> 00:27:21.569 they know anything, or if that's just speculation, He did say, 477 00:27:21.690 --> 00:27:25.789 Deshaun Ross Sapp said that this was non-aggregatable. So I 478 00:27:25.849 --> 00:27:29.809 believe that's just his opinion, which I respect his opinion. 479 00:27:29.970 --> 00:27:32.549 I mean, that's, you know, opinions are that way. But 480 00:27:33.390 --> 00:27:37.500 looking at Will Ospreay, if I'm not mistaken, after the pay-per-view, 481 00:27:37.579 --> 00:27:43.799 Will Ospreay and Adam Copeland met face-to-face backstage, you know, 482 00:27:43.819 --> 00:27:47.829 and it was filmed, and they're not doing Ospreay and 483 00:27:47.849 --> 00:27:51.190 Copeland soon. from what I understand. See you down the 484 00:27:51.250 --> 00:27:53.750 line was what was said. To me, that means maybe 485 00:27:53.769 --> 00:27:55.369 early next year. Yeah, something like that. So, you know, 486 00:27:55.390 --> 00:27:56.190 Copeland's retiring in 2027. 487 00:27:56.170 --> 00:27:57.049 2027 is 365 days long. He didn't say if he 488 00:27:57.069 --> 00:27:58.269 was retiring in early, mid, or late 2027. 489 00:27:58.269 --> 00:28:00.450 He just said he was retiring in 2027. So, we 490 00:28:00.470 --> 00:28:19.440 will see when that happens, but What's next for Oxford? 491 00:28:19.519 --> 00:28:22.609 I need to correct you on one thing. MJF is 492 00:28:22.640 --> 00:28:24.190 the champion right now. 493 00:28:25.690 --> 00:28:27.829 Yeah, I mean, anybody that kicks out of the one-week 494 00:28:27.849 --> 00:28:30.789 at Angel is the champion. Plain and simple. 495 00:28:31.430 --> 00:28:34.430 Kelson, Kelson, Kelson, I don't love you now. 496 00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:41.539 You never loved me. You just liked me for my twerking. 497 00:28:44.309 --> 00:28:49.069 I have been imagining Samoa Joe twerking for the past 498 00:28:49.069 --> 00:28:49.869 10 minutes. 499 00:28:49.950 --> 00:28:52.480 It's a full moon, man. 500 00:28:52.579 --> 00:28:53.900 I just want to get in there. 501 00:28:53.920 --> 00:28:56.440 It's in my head, and now it's in all your heads, too. 502 00:28:56.680 --> 00:28:59.259 You're welcome. You just want to get in there, Barry? 503 00:29:00.420 --> 00:29:03.940 What the hell is going on in this podcast? 504 00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:06.089 It's like two giant. 505 00:29:06.930 --> 00:29:10.730 Two big hams fighting under a blanket, just going in. 506 00:29:11.630 --> 00:29:14.700 Now I'm thinking about it. Thank you, Barry. 507 00:29:14.920 --> 00:29:17.440 You ever see, what was the line in Steel Magnolias? 508 00:29:17.480 --> 00:29:20.640 Like two pigs fighting under a blanket when they're at 509 00:29:20.660 --> 00:29:27.039 somebody's wedding. And I think it was Olympia Dukakis says that. Yeah, anyway. 510 00:29:27.440 --> 00:29:30.880 Well, that bothers me that you actually watch Steel Magnolias. Why? 511 00:29:31.130 --> 00:29:31.809 It's a great film. 512 00:29:31.829 --> 00:29:32.710 It's a really good movie. 513 00:29:32.750 --> 00:29:35.390 Fantastic actresses. Get over yourself. Uh-huh. 514 00:29:35.410 --> 00:29:35.859 Chick-fil-A. 515 00:29:37.460 --> 00:29:37.859 Okay. 516 00:29:38.440 --> 00:29:41.420 Okay, so Will Ospreay's next opponent. Make sure you sit 517 00:29:41.460 --> 00:29:45.940 on track, Chris. You know it's bad when I'm the 518 00:29:46.039 --> 00:29:50.130 one trying to get us back on track. Who pinned 519 00:29:50.170 --> 00:29:55.529 him during the match? Like, didn't Garvey got a pin 520 00:29:55.630 --> 00:29:56.190 on him, right? 521 00:29:57.559 --> 00:29:58.980 Gosh, I forgot Darby was in the match. 522 00:29:59.000 --> 00:30:01.740 Was it Darby and Okada? I feel like Okada's next. No, 523 00:30:01.759 --> 00:30:02.980 he just did Okada, didn't he? 524 00:30:03.880 --> 00:30:08.279 No. I'm 98% sure Darby got a pin on him. 525 00:30:08.339 --> 00:30:11.440 I can't remember if anyone else did. 526 00:30:11.720 --> 00:30:13.869 Joe was the other one, wasn't he? Wasn't it Joe? 527 00:30:13.960 --> 00:30:17.210 Okay, so I mean, there. There's two challengers right off 528 00:30:17.230 --> 00:30:20.670 the bat because you go with the idea of, you know, 529 00:30:20.750 --> 00:30:22.930 you pin a champion, you should get a title match. 530 00:30:24.059 --> 00:30:26.480 I have to disagree with you, Chris, because everybody was pitting. 531 00:30:26.700 --> 00:30:32.000 There was like eight or nine pins in that 15-minute overtime. 532 00:30:32.579 --> 00:30:35.569 That's why I'm thinking if you had spread out the 533 00:30:35.589 --> 00:30:37.890 pins a little bit more and had fewer of them, 534 00:30:38.410 --> 00:30:41.230 then what you're saying may have credence, but I don't 535 00:30:41.250 --> 00:30:44.930 think it does because there was just pins all over 536 00:30:44.970 --> 00:30:45.329 the place. 537 00:30:45.910 --> 00:30:47.519 Yeah, but they pinned the champ, though. 538 00:30:48.900 --> 00:30:52.480 And you can also use that for people challenging Okada 539 00:30:52.519 --> 00:30:55.930 and Darby. you know, people pin them as well. 540 00:30:56.559 --> 00:30:59.680 First, let me ask you a question. This is an 541 00:30:59.720 --> 00:31:03.700 honest question. A lot of those people in that match 542 00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:06.660 was like, if I'm not mistaken, you had Darby, the 543 00:31:06.700 --> 00:31:12.339 TMT champion, right? Yeah. Who else had belts? Darby? Okada 544 00:31:12.500 --> 00:31:18.680 and Ospreay. And Ospreay. Do you really want Okada or 545

00:31:18.819 --> 00:31:21.759 Darby with a belt to challenge somebody else with a 546 00:31:21.819 --> 00:31:22.740 belt right now? 547 00:31:24.220 --> 00:31:28.440 It's not ideal for me, but, I mean, Darby is 548 00:31:28.460 --> 00:31:30.880 the only other champion that got a pin on Ostra. 549 00:31:31.480 --> 00:31:34.869 I'm pretty sure the people who got pins on Okada 550 00:31:35.589 --> 00:31:39.109 were not Darby or Ostra, and the people who got 551 00:31:39.170 --> 00:31:44.450 pins on Darby were not Okada or Ostra. So in 552 00:31:44.490 --> 00:31:50.210 that situation, it's really only Darby challenging Ostra. That is 553 00:31:50.579 --> 00:31:53.299 a deal you can do for the. 554 00:31:55.579 --> 00:31:57.319 Halloween Dynamite coming up. 555 00:31:57.529 --> 00:31:59.509 Yeah, or Blood and Guts or something. I think Joe's 556 00:31:59.529 --> 00:32:03.970 the next pay-per-view challenger for Will as a former champ. 557 00:32:04.410 --> 00:32:07.750 I agree with that. Walking out of the show, that's 558 00:32:07.789 --> 00:32:09.769 who most of us in the crowd thought was who 559 00:32:09.789 --> 00:32:13.529 they were setting up for Will. And if I'm booking it, 560 00:32:13.809 --> 00:32:16.390 he makes the most sense as a challenger. I think Okada, 561 00:32:16.410 --> 00:32:18.690 DeKeshita are going to keep going, which is why they 562 00:32:18.730 --> 00:32:25.119 got interacted. But when I left, I thought, uh, Joe, um, 563 00:32:25.599 --> 00:32:29.579 maybe Copeland down the line. I, uh, Kelson, did you 564 00:32:29.619 --> 00:32:32.559 say it was Sean Ross Sapp who said he thinks, um, 565 00:32:32.700 --> 00:32:35.420 just conjecture on his part. He thinks MJF still want 566 00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:36.160 to take the belt off. 567 00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:38.009 I'm pretty sure. 568 00:32:38.069 --> 00:32:40.190 I think eventually is, I think eventually that's who takes 569 00:32:40.230 --> 00:32:42.690 the belt off well too. And then that's, and then, um, 570 00:32:43.369 --> 00:32:46.109 Andrade catches in at some point. I think that's when 571 00:32:46.150 --> 00:32:49.609 Andrade gets the belt off MJF. That's really long-term looking. 572 00:32:50.079 --> 00:32:54.609 If I'm not mistaken, Sean Ross Sapp said that MJF 573 00:32:54.630 --> 00:32:59.990 will take the belt off of Ospreay. Andrade will challenge 574 00:33:00.130 --> 00:33:06.950 and lose at Monterey against MJF. And then Ospreay will 575 00:33:06.980 --> 00:33:09.319 get the belt back from MJF. I think that's what 576 00:33:09.359 --> 00:33:10.740 he said. I'm pretty sure that's what he said. 577 00:33:11.799 --> 00:33:15.880 I'll say Joe versus Ospreay sounds like a good full-gear 578 00:33:16.420 --> 00:33:17.359 world title match. 579 00:33:17.519 --> 00:33:22.630 Yeah, it'll be fun. Throwing this back, too, because in 580 00:33:22.650 --> 00:33:26.450 my opinion, and I think historically, and correct me if 581 00:33:26.490 --> 00:33:29.440 I'm wrong here, if

anybody's an expert on stats, the 582 00:33:29.460 --> 00:33:33.680 babyfaces traditionally only get an AEW, like, a three-ish month run. 583 00:33:33.700 --> 00:33:36.619 I don't think anybody's held it for much longer than that. 584 00:33:36.640 --> 00:33:38.420 Not really. 585 00:33:38.640 --> 00:33:38.900 Yeah. 586 00:33:39.099 --> 00:33:41.819 Yeah, I mean, most of the good stuff is, you know, 587 00:33:41.940 --> 00:33:46.400 as a fan, it's the chase that's most fun anyways. So, 588 00:33:47.369 --> 00:33:51.109 Will beating... Joe and then dropping it at some point 589 00:33:51.130 --> 00:33:53.509 to MJF right afterwards, I think lines up with how 590 00:33:53.529 --> 00:33:56.589 they traditionally structure these title runs for baby faces anyways. 591 00:33:56.609 --> 00:33:59.789 So I think that that probably lines up pretty good. 592 00:33:59.890 --> 00:34:04.180 Like Sean's conjecture there and just guessing is pretty standard 593 00:34:04.200 --> 00:34:06.059 to Tony's booking for this type of stuff anyways. 594 00:34:07.480 --> 00:34:10.980 Yeah. I think I'm sensing a little, maybe it's just me, 595 00:34:11.019 --> 00:34:13.760 but I'm sensing a little bit of a formula forming 596 00:34:13.880 --> 00:34:16.900 and I should preface. This is not a bad thing. 597 00:34:17.570 --> 00:34:20.010 just because it's a formula that I can a pattern 598 00:34:20.030 --> 00:34:22.369 that I can see doesn't mean it's a bad thing 599 00:34:22.429 --> 00:34:26.559 they're doing but there needs to be a heel champion 600 00:34:27.800 --> 00:34:31.219 by the big show All Out because at All Out 601 00:34:31.380 --> 00:34:39.480 is when basically the next year's face protagonist wins the title. 602 00:34:38.739 --> 00:34:41.250 Let me interrupt you All Out is next. 603 00:34:41.070 --> 00:34:45.010 September All In I mean sorry. 604 00:34:44.949 --> 00:34:48.219 So next July So yeah, next year. 605 00:34:49.360 --> 00:34:49.820 Okay. 606 00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:56.170 Because year before last, it was Adam Page, and this 607 00:34:56.250 --> 00:34:57.489 year it was Will. 608 00:34:57.829 --> 00:34:58.230 So a. 609 00:35:00.269 --> 00:35:04.639 Heel holds the belt, or somebody playing the heel, in 610 00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:08.760 Kenny's case. And basically the top face will win the 611 00:35:08.800 --> 00:35:14.550 belt at All In, and basically be the... protagonist of 612 00:35:14.630 --> 00:35:19.170 sorts for the year right okay yeah am i explaining 613 00:35:19.190 --> 00:35:20.460 this well is it are you. 614 00:35:20.380 --> 00:35:22.639 Well the only thing that can happen it doesn't it 615 00:35:23.039 --> 00:35:25.960 it doesn't at the big show it doesn't necessarily we 616 00:35:26.000 --> 00:35:29.099 don't know where all in is next year okay but 617 00:35:29.119 --> 00:35:31.119 let's just say that it's at long let's just say 618 00:35:31.179 --> 00:35:36.449 hypothetically it's in somewhere like long island it's going to 619 00:35:36.489 --> 00:35:38.510 be mjf and he's going to win because it's a 620 00:35:38.570 --> 00:35:41.730 homer title you know it all ends a homer title 621 00:35:42.360 --> 00:35:45.190 win you know there's no there's no offense or buts. 622 00:35:45.070 --> 00:35:48.090 About well in that case do you say that will 623 00:35:48.130 --> 00:35:51.969 hold that will hold it for that long no. 624 00:35:52.110 --> 00:35:54.929 No again i kind of agree with sean ross sap 625 00:35:54.969 --> 00:35:58.130 that he may get it back or he i do 626 00:35:58.170 --> 00:35:59.789 believe he will get it back but he's going to 627 00:35:59.829 --> 00:36:02.489 lose it and there's going to be but from the 628 00:36:02.510 --> 00:36:04.110 time he loses that there's going to be one or 629 00:36:04.170 --> 00:36:06.250 two champions before will gets it back. 630 00:36:06.269 --> 00:36:10.429 Yeah and and i just i understand what you're saying 631 00:36:10.449 --> 00:36:13.840 there and i don't I'm in a line that when 632 00:36:13.880 --> 00:36:17.300 the baby face wins, it's gotta be a big emotional payoff. 633 00:36:17.500 --> 00:36:21.309 Like hanger last year was a very long storyline to 634 00:36:21.630 --> 00:36:24.230 finally write the wrong that John Moxley had done to 635 00:36:24.269 --> 00:36:28.849 that title. And then this year's build was will getting 636 00:36:28.889 --> 00:36:33.599 his crown in his hometown. But like going back to 637 00:36:33.619 --> 00:36:37.059 the first all in, It was MJF versus Adam Cole, 638 00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:39.739 and that was Babyface versus Babyface. There was no real 639 00:36:39.980 --> 00:36:44.300 payoff there, and MJF retained. So it doesn't have to 640 00:36:44.320 --> 00:36:45.239 be that way. Go ahead. 641 00:36:45.539 --> 00:36:48.440 But the only thing about that, Barry, is that people, 642 00:36:48.460 --> 00:36:52.059 even though it was Babyface against Babyface, people were kind 643 00:36:52.139 --> 00:36:56.059 of expecting a turn by one or one of them. 644 00:36:56.199 --> 00:36:57.219 But it didn't happen. 645 00:36:57.639 --> 00:37:00.780 It didn't happen. But just having that expectation was good. 646 00:37:00.900 --> 00:37:04.219 But to the point, though, that Jess was making is– 647 00:37:04.909 --> 00:37:08.010 Part of the payoffs that we're used to in pro 648 00:37:08.050 --> 00:37:13.059 wrestling as fans is when the babyface is triumphant over 649 00:37:13.099 --> 00:37:13.679 the bad guy. 650 00:37:13.880 --> 00:37:15.400 Right. The big show. 651 00:37:15.780 --> 00:37:16.000 Right. 652 00:37:16.079 --> 00:37:17.960 At the big show. Like, and that was one of 653 00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:21.079 the things that got people so upset at WrestleMania. What 654 00:37:21.099 --> 00:37:21.639 was it? 655 00:37:21.639 --> 00:37:21.940 41. 656 00:37:21.940 --> 00:37:24.949 When Cody didn't finish the style, Roman won again, you know, 657 00:37:24.989 --> 00:37:27.409 the bad guy won and everybody, this isn't what's

supposed 658 00:37:27.449 --> 00:37:29.590 to happen. We've been trained, you know, and then the 659 00:37:29.650 --> 00:37:32.650 next year it happened. So like a lot of that 660 00:37:32.730 --> 00:37:38.159 is just decades of, of audience training for pro wrestling booking. And, and, 661 00:37:38.920 --> 00:37:41.880 More often than not, it happens because we want that 662 00:37:41.920 --> 00:37:45.079 emotional payoff. It's not necessarily the person winning, but we 663 00:37:45.099 --> 00:37:48.500 want that emotional payoff. We've been on that journey. We 664 00:37:48.539 --> 00:37:51.079 want to see good triumph over evil. But it doesn't 665 00:37:51.199 --> 00:37:53.610 have to be that way every time. You can book 666 00:37:53.639 --> 00:37:56.489 those main events differently. And the first all-in is a 667 00:37:56.510 --> 00:37:59.389 prime example of how you can do that. But it 668 00:37:59.429 --> 00:38:02.949 doesn't have to be that way. if that's not the 669 00:38:03.010 --> 00:38:05.570 story they want to lead to, that's okay too. You know, 670 00:38:05.670 --> 00:38:08.630 it doesn't need to be a big good versus evil triumph, 671 00:38:08.789 --> 00:38:12.789 but you need, the key is you need to be invested. 672 00:38:13.010 --> 00:38:14.969 And at that point for the first all in, we 673 00:38:15.010 --> 00:38:19.530 were invested in the MJF Adam Cole storyline to your point, Kelson, 674 00:38:19.969 --> 00:38:21.800 many of us thought there would be a swerve. It 675 00:38:21.820 --> 00:38:26.260 came later, but we saw two people journey together and 676 00:38:26.340 --> 00:38:29.190 pay off the, performing their dreams in front of the 677 00:38:29.210 --> 00:38:32.469 biggest audience of all time for pro wrestling and i 678 00:38:32.489 --> 00:38:34.210 thought that was a good story too so there's a 679 00:38:34.250 --> 00:38:35.929 couple different ways you can approach it and i know 680 00:38:35.969 --> 00:38:37.849 i'm way off topic kelson i'm sorry i went in 681 00:38:37.869 --> 00:38:40.630 a big tangent here but but just perk some ideas 682 00:38:40.710 --> 00:38:42.989 and i think it's a good observation in general just. 683 00:38:42.769 --> 00:38:45.389 Go ahead jess i. 684 00:38:46.030 --> 00:38:48.489 Was saying to your to your point real quick mary 685 00:38:48.690 --> 00:38:51.650 uh that was an emotional payoff in and of itself 686 00:38:51.769 --> 00:39:01.869 i mean MJF did not do the MJF thing. He chose.... 687 00:38:59.260 --> 00:39:00.530 Yeah, he chose friendship. 688 00:39:00.590 --> 00:39:02.380 It was a beautiful... It's still one of my favorite 689 00:39:02.400 --> 00:39:03.460 AEW moments. 690 00:39:03.619 --> 00:39:04.880 And then got stabbed in the back. 691 00:39:08.159 --> 00:39:10.039 Yeah, but you know, the thing is, is that, you know, 692 00:39:10.099 --> 00:39:13.239 with All In, you go back and you look, Soraya, 693 00:39:14.139 --> 00:39:22.619 Mariah Mae, Brawling Birds, Will Ospreay. It's... At

least in Wembley, 694 00:39:23.699 --> 00:39:27.269 It's a Homer thing, you know, and good and evil 695 00:39:27.309 --> 00:39:29.000 has nothing to do with it. It's where you're from. 696 00:39:30.070 --> 00:39:31.570 you know, and that's disappointing to me. 697 00:39:32.659 --> 00:39:34.820 I do kind of want to see a face MJF again. 698 00:39:36.159 --> 00:39:38.500 I do too. I thought he was better as a 699 00:39:38.519 --> 00:39:42.079 face than he was as a, especially when he was 700 00:39:42.099 --> 00:39:47.199 in his reluctant face phase, I thought he was very effective. 701 00:39:48.070 --> 00:39:49.269 God damn it, I. 702 00:39:49.269 --> 00:39:51.550 Am ready to be your scumbag. 703 00:39:51.710 --> 00:39:54.199 Yeah, I mean, he was still a scumbag, but he 704 00:39:54.219 --> 00:39:58.320 was our scumbag. And man, the merch sales were through 705 00:39:58.340 --> 00:40:01.800 the roof, you know, and that's an indicator that you're 706 00:40:01.820 --> 00:40:05.420 doing something right, I guess. I don't know. But let's 707 00:40:05.460 --> 00:40:10.320 move on because we also have, of course, Adam Copeland, 708 00:40:11.300 --> 00:40:13.139 who looks like he's going to get a title shot, 709 00:40:13.159 --> 00:40:16.300 but he's also retiring. We made a post recently. on 710 00:40:16.360 --> 00:40:18.880 the Reddit and on our X account that got quite 711 00:40:18.900 --> 00:40:22.079 a bit of a play asking who's going to be 712 00:40:22.119 --> 00:40:27.300 the one to retire Adam Copeland. Um, does it, it 713 00:40:27.389 --> 00:40:29.369 doesn't necessarily have to be in a singles match. It 714 00:40:29.389 --> 00:40:32.269 could be in a tag team match. Um, but a 715 00:40:32.329 --> 00:40:35.650 lot of people were saying Christian cage, do we really 716 00:40:35.710 --> 00:40:38.110 want his best friend to be the one to put, 717 00:40:38.590 --> 00:40:41.849 I mean, look, Adam Copeland is a purist. Well, sting 718 00:40:41.869 --> 00:40:45.130 was too, but I think, uh, I think Adam Copeland 719 00:40:45.150 --> 00:40:47.800 would get his way more than Sting would in this 720 00:40:47.909 --> 00:40:52.199 particular case. Adam Copeland, there's a very strong chance when 721 00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:55.579 he retires, he's going to retire on his back. He's 722 00:40:55.599 --> 00:40:57.880 going to go out on his back. Do we really 723 00:40:57.900 --> 00:41:01.440 want his best friend to put him out? No. 724 00:41:02.199 --> 00:41:05.650 I'd say that seems like the best thing to do. 725 00:41:07.309 --> 00:41:09.750 If you love old Yeller very much, you have to 726 00:41:09.789 --> 00:41:12.349 be the one to shoot him. It's only right. 727 00:41:12.650 --> 00:41:14.989 Is Christian.... 728 00:41:15.030 --> 00:41:17.369 Chris, did you or anybody else here, is he looking 729 00:41:17.389 --> 00:41:18.690 to hang it up anytime soon? 730 00:41:20.050 --> 00:41:21.829 I haven't heard anything about it. 731 00:41:21.949 --> 00:41:23.090 I have not heard anything of this. 732 00:41:23.110 --> 00:41:30.090 Because, like, if I'm, you know, the... AEW does retirements, 733 00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:33.760 and we saw it with Sting, and if I'm booking 734 00:41:34.179 --> 00:41:37.920 Cage and Christian, I'm booking both of them going out 735 00:41:37.980 --> 00:41:41.900 on their back together at a 10 count and ending 736 00:41:41.920 --> 00:41:45.860 their careers as best friends. On their pants. That's the 737 00:41:45.909 --> 00:41:46.719 reference to that. 738 00:41:47.659 --> 00:41:50.059 Thinking of that ending is making me tear up already. 739 00:41:50.119 --> 00:41:51.059 I want to see it now. 740 00:41:52.239 --> 00:41:54.639 Like, that's the way I write. That's my, in my head, 741 00:41:54.699 --> 00:41:57.860 my fantasy booking for that. But to your point, Kelson, 742 00:41:57.900 --> 00:42:01.800 I could absolutely see Copeland pushing to put somebody over 743 00:42:01.840 --> 00:42:05.139 that he believes in, too. I think the Sting thing 744 00:42:05.179 --> 00:42:07.019 was kind of a different scenario because as much as 745 00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:10.360 I love Adam Copeland, he is not Sting. There's a 746 00:42:10.440 --> 00:42:12.559 whole lot more to the whole Sting thing than is 747 00:42:12.599 --> 00:42:13.239 applicable here. 748 00:42:15.070 --> 00:42:17.389 Sting wanted to go after that, but nobody would let him. 749 00:42:17.469 --> 00:42:21.769 Yeah, nobody would let him because he's Sting. So who, Kelson, 750 00:42:21.809 --> 00:42:24.329 who should he put over if he was to do 751 00:42:24.369 --> 00:42:27.449 the job for somebody in his retirement? Who do you think? 752 00:42:27.789 --> 00:42:29.840 Or Chris, Val, and Jess? 753 00:42:30.219 --> 00:42:33.059 I'll answer with not a specific... I'm going to chicken 754 00:42:33.179 --> 00:42:38.059 out on this, but somebody that's under the age of 35. 755 00:42:38.059 --> 00:42:41.000 And it doesn't necessarily have to be a heel. It 756 00:42:41.019 --> 00:42:44.219 just has to be somebody... Can you imagine somebody putting 757 00:42:44.260 --> 00:42:46.969 him out on his back in a singles match and then, 758 00:42:48.170 --> 00:42:50.849 you know, crying about it with him in the ring? 759 00:42:51.150 --> 00:42:51.909 Nick Wayne. 760 00:42:51.929 --> 00:42:53.130 Nick Wayne. 761 00:42:53.190 --> 00:42:54.989 Jesse and I were on the same wavelength. 762 00:42:55.030 --> 00:43:02.050 Nick Wayne. Man, where's the mute button? I got to 763 00:43:02.090 --> 00:43:03.639 get rid of you guys. 764 00:43:03.739 --> 00:43:04.380 Jesus. 765 00:43:05.219 --> 00:43:09.150 God almighty. I don't know how. I'm totally inept. It 766 00:43:09.190 --> 00:43:14.269 can't be Nick Wayne. I mean, having Nick Wayne. 767 00:43:14.489 --> 00:43:15.489 Just nobody say. 768 00:43:16.889 --> 00:43:19.929 Jess, I swear to God, if you say Eddie Kingston 769 00:43:20.280 --> 00:43:22.460 to the moon right now, I'm telling you right now. 770

00:43:23.619 --> 00:43:26.960 Well, I wasn't, but now you've planted that seed. 771 00:43:27.119 --> 00:43:27.980 That would be a travesty. 772 00:43:28.000 --> 00:43:30.679 I don't want to see somebody that's in their late 773 00:43:30.699 --> 00:43:31.059 40s and. 774 00:43:39.150 --> 00:43:39.219 50s. 775 00:43:39.329 --> 00:43:41.869 I don't want to see Bobby Lashley do it. I 776 00:43:41.889 --> 00:43:47.150 don't want to see... I really don't want to see 777 00:43:47.929 --> 00:43:52.650 somebody like that do it. I want to see the 778 00:43:52.710 --> 00:43:57.590 emotion carry over for somebody that has quite a bit 779 00:43:57.610 --> 00:44:00.230 of their career still in front of them, not behind them. 780 00:44:00.250 --> 00:44:02.190 That's all I'm saying. 781 00:44:02.829 --> 00:44:05.329 You don't want to see Bobby Lashley do it? Jeff 782 00:44:05.349 --> 00:44:06.139 Jarrett is. 783 00:44:07.219 --> 00:44:11.510 Jeff Jarrett, yeah. Like, who are, like... Go ahead, Jess, 784 00:44:11.570 --> 00:44:11.909 I'm sorry. 785 00:44:12.969 --> 00:44:18.309 I was saying that young buck, that spring chicken, Jeff Jarrett, 786 00:44:18.389 --> 00:44:21.380 he's got a bright... That kid's got a bright future 787 00:44:21.400 --> 00:44:21.900 ahead of him. 788 00:44:23.179 --> 00:44:27.460 So, like, who's that tier of players right now? Because 789 00:44:27.480 --> 00:44:29.199 you can do it one of two ways. A, you 790 00:44:29.239 --> 00:44:33.690 can just use this to establish... a top guy and 791 00:44:33.769 --> 00:44:36.789 give them a notch on that belt to just keep, 792 00:44:36.809 --> 00:44:40.650 you know, legendary status. They're the one that retired Adam Copeland, 793 00:44:40.670 --> 00:44:43.630 or you can use this to elevate an upper mid 794 00:44:43.670 --> 00:44:47.889 card guy to the main event. So what is that? 795 00:44:48.110 --> 00:44:50.070 What does that group of players look like? Cause I'm 796 00:44:50.110 --> 00:44:54.000 thinking you got to cash stuff. You got hang man. 797 00:44:54.179 --> 00:44:55.900 Like I don't think Osprey needs to do it, but 798 00:44:55.920 --> 00:45:00.519 he could. Kyle Fletcher is the one that I'm thinking. 799 00:45:01.139 --> 00:45:05.019 Like he, if anybody for the Reb, Fletcher is the guy. 800 00:45:05.559 --> 00:45:08.559 Kyle Fletcher did get a lot of votes, and I 801 00:45:08.599 --> 00:45:10.260 would agree with that. But here's the thing. 802 00:45:10.280 --> 00:45:11.880 Yeah. 803 00:45:11.940 --> 00:45:15.420 Takeshi is already over. We know he's going to have 804 00:45:15.460 --> 00:45:19.969 a great career, barring injury. Okay. We know that, really, 805 00:45:20.010 --> 00:45:22.510 we know Kyle Fletcher is going to have a great career. 806 00:45:23.550 --> 00:45:26.599 You know, I want to see. I want to see 807 00:45:26.639 --> 00:45:30.840 something like a Mariah May thing where it comes out. I've, 808 00:45:31.079 --> 00:45:35.090 I've admired you all my life kind of thing.

And, 809 00:45:35.849 --> 00:45:39.489 you know, do something like that. I, you have time 810 00:45:39.530 --> 00:45:43.369 to build that story. You, this could happen at all in, 811 00:45:43.389 --> 00:45:47.190 you know, you know, so you've got, it should wants 812 00:45:47.269 --> 00:45:50.199 to do. And I, you know, I'm throwing the name 813 00:45:50.300 --> 00:45:53.719 out there, not saying that this person would, be the 814 00:45:53.820 --> 00:45:57.519 person that I would pick, but somebody like Myron Reed. 815 00:45:57.539 --> 00:45:57.920 Eddie Kingston. 816 00:45:59.179 --> 00:46:01.179 Somebody like Myron Reed. 817 00:46:02.409 --> 00:46:02.659 Yeah. 818 00:46:03.630 --> 00:46:04.969 See, somebody that. 819 00:46:05.010 --> 00:46:09.530 Go ahead. Stephen Borden. 820 00:46:09.610 --> 00:46:13.750 You know, that would be interesting. See what I'm saying? 821 00:46:13.789 --> 00:46:18.969 I'm talking about guys like Myron Reed. You said Stephen Borden. 822 00:46:19.340 --> 00:46:24.329 Guys of that ilk that are absolutely talented. and have 823 00:46:24.369 --> 00:46:26.550 their whole career in front of them, and they can 824 00:46:26.630 --> 00:46:30.510 say that they retired Adam Copeland, that's a good way 825 00:46:30.550 --> 00:46:32.730 for Adam Copeland to go out. And I'm pretty sure 826 00:46:33.630 --> 00:46:37.420 that's what Adam Copeland would want as well. I don't 827 00:46:37.440 --> 00:46:41.739 think he wants to go out to Kazuchika Okada. 828 00:46:41.820 --> 00:46:49.219 No, but he would probably ask somebody to wrestle him, 829 00:46:49.340 --> 00:46:51.239 somebody that he's never faced before. 830 00:46:53.070 --> 00:46:56.139 Exactly. But what I'm saying is, do you really want 831 00:46:56.159 --> 00:46:59.900 to see somebody like Kazuchika Okada or Christian Cage or 832 00:46:59.960 --> 00:47:02.519 Kenny Omega retire Adam Copeland? 833 00:47:02.539 --> 00:47:02.940 Kenny. 834 00:47:04.280 --> 00:47:05.119 That would be the worst. 835 00:47:05.139 --> 00:47:08.349 They've never wrestled. I absolutely want it to be a 836 00:47:08.409 --> 00:47:11.650 young name. Kenny and Copeland can have their match at 837 00:47:11.730 --> 00:47:14.570 another time before the retirement match. 838 00:47:15.010 --> 00:47:17.530 Absolutely. But not the retirement match. 839 00:47:18.190 --> 00:47:20.420 No, it needs to be a young talent. 840 00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:23.900 It has to be a younger talent with their future 841 00:47:23.940 --> 00:47:26.940 ahead of them, but not Nick Wayne. 842 00:47:27.039 --> 00:47:29.909 I wonder if he's got anybody in mind, too, because 843 00:47:29.949 --> 00:47:34.110 he's a sharp guy, so if Copeland has an idea 844 00:47:34.150 --> 00:47:36.909 of who he wants to put over, my guess is 845 00:47:36.929 --> 00:47:39.650 he probably knows who he wants it to be, and 846 00:47:39.710 --> 00:47:43.389 it's a matter of pitching the story to your point, Kelsey, 847 00:47:43.429 --> 00:47:46.280 to build that, and if it's a mid-card guy he 848 00:47:46.320 --> 00:47:48.599 wants to elevate up, or an upper mid-card guy he 849 00:47:48.619 --> 00:47:50.219 wants to get to the main event scene, it's like, 850 00:47:51.239 --> 00:47:53.750 you need to build that to have, to have that 851 00:47:53.789 --> 00:47:57.329 Mariah may impact. Like they got to start that soon. 852 00:47:57.750 --> 00:48:00.429 So I'm, I'm interested to see, I think we'll probably 853 00:48:00.469 --> 00:48:03.130 start to get some general idea in the next, maybe 854 00:48:03.190 --> 00:48:06.519 not until after full gear, but now that that seed's 855 00:48:06.559 --> 00:48:09.539 been planted, the audience like that was put out there 856 00:48:09.599 --> 00:48:12.760 for a reason for us to start paying attention. Like 857 00:48:12.900 --> 00:48:15.300 who's this person going to be, you know, to your point, Kelsey. 858 00:48:15.360 --> 00:48:18.050 Do you guys, do you guys think that Adam Copeland 859 00:48:18.110 --> 00:48:22.969 is going to capture the AW world championship? No. 860 00:48:23.170 --> 00:48:26.469 Probably not. He'll probably give it a good college try, though. 861 00:48:27.389 --> 00:48:29.670 Go ahead, Jess. 862 00:48:29.710 --> 00:48:30.289 I'm sorry. 863 00:48:30.309 --> 00:48:33.840 I would say something you said, like that story you 864 00:48:33.860 --> 00:48:38.059 suggested with this Mariah Mae-esque thing. I think they did 865 00:48:38.099 --> 00:48:41.739 that already. Younger guys who look up to Cope then 866 00:48:41.780 --> 00:48:44.019 suddenly turn on him. They did that with FDR. 867 00:48:44.199 --> 00:48:49.119 Yeah, but FDR, again, they're not... They don't have... The 868 00:48:49.179 --> 00:48:52.530 best part of their... They don't have the future that 869 00:48:52.570 --> 00:48:56.710 somebody like... I do like the Kyle Fletcher thing, although 870 00:48:56.730 --> 00:48:59.150 I think that Kyle Fletcher may not be the right 871 00:48:59.269 --> 00:49:04.219 choice because we all know that Kyle Fletcher's special. You know, 872 00:49:04.460 --> 00:49:09.639 they should use Adam Copeland's retirement to show that somebody 873 00:49:09.699 --> 00:49:12.579 else is special. Why couldn't it be Nick Wayne? 874 00:49:12.599 --> 00:49:15.679 He's the youngest guy on the roster, isn't he? 875 00:49:16.159 --> 00:49:20.880 He just beat you can't get any better than that 876 00:49:21.380 --> 00:49:22.489 in aw. 877 00:49:22.739 --> 00:49:25.539 We're talking about people that are special i think it's 878 00:49:25.559 --> 00:49:28.139 pretty clear you've decided you are going to go over. 879 00:49:29.440 --> 00:49:31.440 Well that's definitely not a young guy. 880 00:49:31.480 --> 00:49:33.300 He's he's gonna do his frog you're gonna do your 881 00:49:33.340 --> 00:49:34.699 frog frog splash. 882 00:49:36.059 --> 00:49:38.440 I mean, look, there's going to be hopefully people that 883 00:49:38.460 --> 00:49:41.420 are listening to this podcast will

go look at the A.W. 884 00:49:41.480 --> 00:49:45.480 roster and look at the younger people, younger guys and say, hmm, 885 00:49:45.570 --> 00:49:49.929 that's a possibility. We all know that Kyle Fletcher and others, 886 00:49:49.949 --> 00:49:54.710 you know, Kenny Omega, Kazuchika Okada, that would be a 887 00:49:54.829 --> 00:49:57.230 dream match. But you could have the dream matches before 888 00:49:57.250 --> 00:50:00.409 the retirement match. You know what I'm saying? 889 00:50:00.449 --> 00:50:00.750 You do. 890 00:50:01.380 --> 00:50:04.760 Young talent. It should be one of the outrunners. They're 891 00:50:04.800 --> 00:50:06.139 the youngest men alive. 892 00:50:06.159 --> 00:50:13.710 There you go. Yeah. You know, they're 34. So, anyway. 893 00:50:13.730 --> 00:50:15.210 I don't know. 894 00:50:15.230 --> 00:50:17.389 I'm younger than Turbo, or I'm older than Turbo. 895 00:50:17.530 --> 00:50:20.650 I'm older than every wrestler on the AEW roster. 896 00:50:21.309 --> 00:50:23.550 It's my birthday tomorrow. How about that? 897 00:50:24.239 --> 00:50:29.739 It's your birthday? Happy birthday, Barry. It was my birthday 898 00:50:29.760 --> 00:50:33.610 during our hiatus, so. There you go. 899 00:50:33.989 --> 00:50:35.489 Happy belated birthday, Kelsey. 900 00:50:35.769 --> 00:50:40.449 Thank you. One year closer to retirement. 901 00:50:43.110 --> 00:50:46.010 I'll have to send you a belated Eddie Kingston stripper gram. 902 00:50:48.429 --> 00:50:53.219 I told my daughter she's got to start preparing now 903 00:50:53.260 --> 00:50:55.920 to put me in the best standards. I don't want 904 00:50:56.539 --> 00:51:00.780 assisted living. I want a harem. I want the best. 905 00:51:01.079 --> 00:51:04.420 You want the Eddie Kingston special? Is it Eddie Kingston's 906 00:51:04.440 --> 00:51:07.300 stripper gram? He shows up with a big thing of 907 00:51:07.599 --> 00:51:10.030 butter and he just rubs it all over his belly 908 00:51:11.730 --> 00:51:13.469 as he's twerking. 909 00:51:13.630 --> 00:51:15.699 Moving on. Moving on. 910 00:51:15.849 --> 00:51:18.269 Don't get up. 911 00:51:18.309 --> 00:51:26.420 I'll see myself out. There's no muting, Barry. We had 912 00:51:26.460 --> 00:51:30.530 the debut of Ilya Dragunov. And this, as far as 913 00:51:30.610 --> 00:51:34.969 I know, Ilya Dragunov has the only match that has 914 00:51:35.010 --> 00:51:37.730 been booked for Dynamite tomorrow night. We don't know who 915 00:51:37.769 --> 00:51:41.510 he's fighting, but we haven't been. Tony Khan did confirm 916 00:51:41.949 --> 00:51:46.030 that Ilya Dragunov will be wrestling tomorrow night. We just 917 00:51:46.070 --> 00:51:46.429 don't know who. 918 00:51:46.449 --> 00:51:47.699 And we know the opponent. 919 00:51:47.929 --> 00:51:48.699 Do you know? We do? 920 00:51:49.079 --> 00:51:49.239 Who? 921 00:51:49.579 --> 00:51:50.460 It's Speedball. 922 00:51:51.380 --> 00:51:51.739 Really? 923 00:51:51.840 --> 00:51:52.500 Oh, that'll be fun. 924 00:51:52.519 --> 00:51:54.610 Yes. Heck yeah. 925 00:51:54.670 --> 00:51:55.289 Did they announce it? 926 00:51:55.289 --> 00:51:56.239 That's a great first opponent. 927 00:51:56.739 --> 00:52:00.500 Yeah. Okay, because last time I checked, it wasn't. So 928 00:52:00.539 --> 00:52:03.079 that's good. One of the things that I did was 929 00:52:03.099 --> 00:52:08.610 I was like, hey, has Ilya Dragunov ever faced anybody 930 00:52:08.679 --> 00:52:11.949 from AEW before? And it's really interesting that you said 931 00:52:12.070 --> 00:52:15.489 Speedball Mike Bailey is his first opponent because 10 years ago, 932 00:52:15.570 --> 00:52:20.489 almost to today, Ilya Dragunov, and I believe it was 933 00:52:20.610 --> 00:52:29.659 Progress Chapter 100. defeated Mike Bailey in 2016. I believe 934 00:52:29.679 --> 00:52:34.500 it was earlier. It was like October 11th or something 935 00:52:34.519 --> 00:52:37.309 like that in 2016. Speedball Mike Bailey is the oldest 936 00:52:37.329 --> 00:52:40.070 of his opponents. He's only faced three other AEW wrestlers. 937 00:52:40.090 --> 00:52:56.309 In 2019, he faced Claudio Castagnoli, And he faced, oh God, 938 00:52:56.349 --> 00:52:59.530 I can't remember the other two. Fletcher's one of them, right? 939 00:52:59.929 --> 00:53:04.130 I think Fletcher's one of them. He did wrestle Fletcher 940 00:53:05.909 --> 00:53:08.369 in 2019. That was the other one in 2019 that 941 00:53:08.409 --> 00:53:14.630 he wrestled. And he also wrestled somebody in the WWE 942 00:53:15.329 --> 00:53:21.489 in their final match in the WWE, Tommaso Ciampa. Tommaso 943 00:53:21.510 --> 00:53:27.059 Ciampa's final match in the WWE was against So now 944 00:53:27.099 --> 00:53:32.090 we know that Dragunov is going to be facing Speedball 945 00:53:32.130 --> 00:53:35.710 Mike Bailey. That's really interesting. That's a really good opponent. 946 00:53:36.710 --> 00:53:36.889 Yeah. 947 00:53:37.230 --> 00:53:42.699 Yeah, he's a genius. I wonder if Excalibur will bring 948 00:53:42.739 --> 00:53:45.619 that up. He loves dropping historical little nuggets like that. 949 00:53:46.099 --> 00:53:49.599 I'm sure he will, Jess. I think you're spot on. Hey, 950 00:53:49.639 --> 00:53:51.860 did anybody catch his interview? Go ahead, Kelsey. 951 00:53:52.239 --> 00:53:52.780 No, go ahead. 952 00:53:54.139 --> 00:53:57.460 Anybody catch his interview on Ariel Hawani today? Uh, some, 953 00:53:57.599 --> 00:54:03.590 some good long form. Yeah. So, um, the theme song, 954 00:54:03.610 --> 00:54:06.570 when I thought I recognized it at the show, but 955 00:54:06.590 --> 00:54:09.260 I couldn't, I wasn't certain. Cause I mean, I'm not a, 956 00:54:09.570 --> 00:54:14.210 you know, super classical music, that knowledge. 957 00:54:14.230 --> 00:54:16.250 Don't lie. Come on. 958 00:54:16.929 --> 00:54:18.960 Yeah. So, but like, I'm like, man, I know this 959 00:54:19.019 --> 00:54:21.219 song or does it just sound like a song I've heard?

960 00:54:21.260 --> 00:54:26.260 But yeah. So evidently, they licensed Tony licensed his theme 961 00:54:26.420 --> 00:54:29.760 and it was, it's on command and conquer red alert three. 962 00:54:30.019 --> 00:54:32.219 It's the Russian March. I think it's called or something. 963 00:54:33.219 --> 00:54:35.489 And I guess he used that when he was on 964 00:54:35.510 --> 00:54:37.510 the Indies, when he first started out, he said an 965 00:54:37.590 --> 00:54:40.050 Ariel Hawani show. And I, I didn't know, I didn't 966 00:54:40.070 --> 00:54:42.710 know that I'm not super familiar with him prior to WWE, 967 00:54:43.289 --> 00:54:46.230 but I thought that was super cool. And, um, so 968 00:54:46.269 --> 00:54:48.389 he's using that as from command and conquer red alert three, 969 00:54:48.429 --> 00:54:50.469 which is why I recognize it. Cause I, I played 970 00:54:50.510 --> 00:54:53.880 that game. Is that the one with Ric. 971 00:54:53.820 --> 00:54:56.880 Flair in it? I know in one of the Command 972 00:54:56.900 --> 00:54:58.409 & Conquer games, Ric Flair is in it. 973 00:54:59.440 --> 00:55:01.300 Oh, I didn't understand what you were saying. No, I 974 00:55:01.340 --> 00:55:01.900 wish I didn't. 975 00:55:02.659 --> 00:55:04.929 I don't remember Ric Flair being in Command & Conquer 976 00:55:04.969 --> 00:55:06.150 Red Alert 3. 977 00:55:06.150 --> 00:55:08.590 Command & Conquer, Ric Flair. 978 00:55:09.130 --> 00:55:11.070 Red Alert, the spin-off 3, yeah. 979 00:55:11.230 --> 00:55:11.630 Red Alert. 980 00:55:11.889 --> 00:55:14.789 Anyway, if you haven't, it's a good interview regardless. But yeah, 981 00:55:14.809 --> 00:55:17.489 I thought that was interesting for his entrance music, that 982 00:55:17.949 --> 00:55:20.079 Tony licensed that, and that was something he used on 983 00:55:20.099 --> 00:55:21.519 the Indies, so he was happy to get it back. 984 00:55:22.849 --> 00:55:24.909 You know, it's kind of weird because I was actually 985 00:55:24.949 --> 00:55:27.639 thinking about the music earlier today, and I was thinking, okay, 986 00:55:27.659 --> 00:55:31.539 so at the big show, AEW All In, he should 987 00:55:31.619 --> 00:55:33.900 win his match, whatever match. I didn't think about what 988 00:55:33.940 --> 00:55:35.940 match it was, but it should be a big match. 989 00:55:36.699 --> 00:55:42.480 And his exit music should be the War of 1812 990 00:55:42.480 --> 00:55:44.530 Overture and a pyro could play to cannons. 991 00:55:44.550 --> 00:55:46.690 Oh, that'd be awesome. 992 00:55:46.889 --> 00:55:50.010 You know, I am nothing if not hokey as hell. 993 00:55:50.030 --> 00:55:50.110 Wait. 994 00:55:50.969 --> 00:55:55.150 But isn't that Claudio's theme? No, it's not. What's Claudio's theme? 995 00:55:55.989 --> 00:55:56.349 I don't know. 996 00:55:58.320 --> 00:55:59.179 Isn't that Claudio's theme? 997 00:55:59.579 --> 00:56:03.960 Well, then he can beat Claudio and steal his... Exactly. 998 00:56:03.980 --> 00:56:06.500 In a

stipulation match, he steals Claudio's theme. 999 00:56:06.880 --> 00:56:12.289 He steals Claudio's theme, and as he exits, you know, bam, bam, bam, 1000 00:56:12.329 --> 00:56:13.250 you know, stuff like that. 1001 00:56:14.099 --> 00:56:17.380 Well, I mean, it used to be Claudio's theme, but 1002 00:56:17.519 --> 00:56:20.150 he has his own variant of the Death Riders theme now. 1003 00:56:23.170 --> 00:56:27.389 But I have a better one for theme versus theme. 1004 00:56:27.469 --> 00:56:33.079 Orange Cassidy against Claudio. Of course, why would Claudio want 1005 00:56:33.139 --> 00:56:35.980 Orange Cassidy's theme other than to bury it? I don't know. 1006 00:56:36.559 --> 00:56:41.309 But you can imagine... Orange Cassidy went into match and 1007 00:56:41.469 --> 00:56:44.230 as he's exiting the War of 1812, Overture is playing, 1008 00:56:44.610 --> 00:56:47.130 and instead of big bangs, you just see these little. 1009 00:56:48.909 --> 00:56:49.610 Roman candles. 1010 00:56:49.670 --> 00:56:55.639 Yeah. And I was like, you know, again, I am 1011 00:56:55.679 --> 00:56:56.119 an idiot. 1012 00:56:57.260 --> 00:57:00.099 You know, Kelson, I think you're onto something. There needs 1013 00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:02.760 to be more theme versus theme stipulation matches. 1014 00:57:03.039 --> 00:57:03.920 Absolutely, you know. 1015 00:57:04.380 --> 00:57:09.139 Yeah. Four o'clock for carnage. I want theme versus theme. 1016 00:57:09.800 --> 00:57:13.360 I want gear versus gear. No, I don't want them 1017 00:57:13.400 --> 00:57:17.559 to strip in the ring. But could you imagine, like, 1018 00:57:18.599 --> 00:57:24.039 Mike Bailey losing his gear to, or Eddie Kingston losing 1019 00:57:24.059 --> 00:57:26.489 his gear to Mike Bailey, and Mike Bailey has to 1020 00:57:26.510 --> 00:57:27.610 come out wearing that singlet? 1021 00:57:28.750 --> 00:57:29.869 No, no, no, no. 1022 00:57:30.170 --> 00:57:33.690 Could you imagine a stipulation match where if Joe Samojo loses, 1023 00:57:33.750 --> 00:57:34.349 he has to twerk? 1024 00:57:34.550 --> 00:57:34.730 No. 1025 00:57:37.179 --> 00:57:40.860 The piggies in the blanket match. It's glorious. The piggies. 1026 00:57:42.739 --> 00:57:44.019 In the blanket. 1027 00:57:44.940 --> 00:57:49.219 Also, just as a side note, I checked, Ric Flair 1028 00:57:49.420 --> 00:57:53.219 is in Red Alert, in Command & Conquer Red Alert 3. 1029 00:57:53.219 --> 00:57:55.260 He's in the Uprising DLC. 1030 00:57:55.280 --> 00:57:56.480 Oh, that's okay. 1031 00:57:56.519 --> 00:57:58.340 I didn't have the DLC. That's okay. 1032 00:57:59.159 --> 00:58:02.929 Yeah, he plays Douglas Hill, who's like one of the generals. 1033 00:58:03.369 --> 00:58:07.739 Commander Douglas Hill, who's like for America, obviously. 1034 00:58:09.179 --> 00:58:11.760 Okay, trying to get somewhat back on track. Kelson, you 1035 00:58:11.780 --> 00:58:15.900 mentioned you hadn't seen any other matches announced for Dynamite. Well, 1036 00:58:16.099

--> 00:58:20.619 over on the Discord, our buddy Matt Lopez did share 1037 00:58:20.639 --> 00:58:24.659 a few more matches. Will Ospreay and Adam Copeland versus 1038 00:58:24.739 --> 00:58:26.289 Kyle Fletcher and Kevin Knight. 1039 00:58:26.989 --> 00:58:27.730 That I saw. 1040 00:58:28.849 --> 00:58:33.650 Maya World versus Queen Aminata in a TBS Championship number 1041 00:58:33.730 --> 00:58:39.039 one contender match. And Actual Gamer shared this one, the 1042 00:58:39.079 --> 00:58:43.539 Young Bucks versus Davis and Doyle in a World Tag 1043 00:58:43.559 --> 00:58:45.719 Team Championship Eliminator match. 1044 00:58:46.360 --> 00:58:46.579 Oh. 1045 00:58:46.639 --> 00:58:49.449 We got a lot of good things coming up on Dynamite. 1046 00:58:49.989 --> 00:58:50.730 That show. 1047 00:58:51.329 --> 00:58:52.010 Yeah. 1048 00:58:52.150 --> 00:58:55.170 That Maya World one doesn't make sense, though, because Maya 1049 00:58:55.289 --> 00:58:59.670 World is the former TBS champion. She gets a title 1050 00:58:59.710 --> 00:59:01.510 shot whether she wins this or not. 1051 00:59:01.789 --> 00:59:07.019 Well... It's happening again. Why you got to poke holes, Pelton? Wait, 1052 00:59:07.099 --> 00:59:07.440 is it. 1053 00:59:07.480 --> 00:59:13.000 Canon that the lower or the mid-card belts get rematch clauses? 1054 00:59:13.059 --> 00:59:16.510 I thought that was only the title, the tag in the. 1055 00:59:17.730 --> 00:59:23.389 I've not heard any different. I've not heard any different. Well, 1056 00:59:24.469 --> 00:59:30.590 let's move on because... Mercedes Monet did retain the AEW 1057 00:59:30.639 --> 00:59:35.059 Women's World Championship over Tekken, but now. 1058 00:59:34.820 --> 00:59:36.420 You've got to. 1059 00:59:36.400 --> 00:59:42.300 Wonder, what's next for Mercedes Monet? I have a solution 1060 00:59:42.420 --> 00:59:47.980 not only for Mercedes Monet, but for Will Ospreay's next opponents. 1061 00:59:48.059 --> 00:59:50.920 But I want to hear what you guys think, because 1062 00:59:51.340 --> 00:59:57.000 I have a strange, strange solution. solution to this. 1063 00:59:57.820 --> 01:00:01.980 Who's next? Is it that Will and Mercedes should face 1064 01:00:02.039 --> 01:00:04.179 each other for each other's belts? 1065 01:00:05.179 --> 01:00:07.659 No, because Will's belt won't fit Mercedes. 1066 01:00:09.099 --> 01:00:12.440 She's got to swing it between the legs, man. 1067 01:00:12.460 --> 01:00:13.130 It doesn't need to fit. 1068 01:00:13.119 --> 01:00:15.429 By the way, did you see the discourse about what 1069 01:00:15.469 --> 01:00:16.010 Tecla did. 1070 01:00:22.139 --> 01:00:24.199 As she was leaving the ring, that is the most 1071 01:00:24.260 --> 01:00:30.639 preposterous thing in the world. She was mimicking Mercedes Monet 1072 01:00:30.840 --> 01:00:32.699 the entire way out of the ring, and people were 1073 01:00:32.719 --> 01:00:36.460 thinking she's being disrespectful. Yeah, she was being disrespectful because

1074 01:00:36.760 --> 01:00:39.800 Mercedes Monet was being disrespectful. 1075 01:00:39.840 --> 01:00:44.489 Plus, like, being disrespectful, have you seen Tecla's anything? 1076 01:00:44.730 --> 01:00:48.429 People will just try to find a way to do 1077 01:00:49.150 --> 01:00:53.619 anything to get somebody to respond and it's kind of pathetic, 1078 01:00:54.159 --> 01:00:57.539 but anyway, who is next for Mercedes Monet? Who would 1079 01:00:57.579 --> 01:01:01.820 you like to see face Mercedes Monet for the AEW 1080 01:01:01.860 --> 01:01:03.929 women's world championship at full gear? 1081 01:01:05.150 --> 01:01:05.969 Mina Shirakawa. 1082 01:01:09.489 --> 01:01:14.590 Mina Shirakawa is Chris, Kenny Omega and Mike and speedball, 1083 01:01:14.610 --> 01:01:19.050 Mike Bailey are Val and, And Eddie Kingston is Jess. 1084 01:01:19.369 --> 01:01:22.469 So that's the answer for everything there. 1085 01:01:23.190 --> 01:01:24.469 Well, you forgot one for me. 1086 01:01:24.489 --> 01:01:25.869 You forgot Kyle Fletcher. 1087 01:01:26.070 --> 01:01:30.610 Yeah, and I happen to absolutely adore Will Osprey, and 1088 01:01:30.670 --> 01:01:32.190 I already made that suggestion. 1089 01:01:32.710 --> 01:01:37.110 Wait, you want Kyle Fletcher to face Mercedes Monet? 1090 01:01:37.199 --> 01:01:38.199 No, no, no. 1091 01:01:38.400 --> 01:01:39.800 And he poured in a storm, yeah. 1092 01:01:40.480 --> 01:01:40.840 Okay. 1093 01:01:41.880 --> 01:01:42.300 Yeah. 1094 01:01:42.460 --> 01:01:42.940 Okay, okay. 1095 01:01:46.099 --> 01:01:47.980 I got to ask something to Barry. 1096 01:01:48.039 --> 01:01:51.000 Was Mercedes worth the wait? 1097 01:01:52.300 --> 01:01:55.510 So I was actually wrong. I realized that afterwards. I 1098 01:01:55.590 --> 01:02:01.949 saw her wrestle at World's End. She wrestled Chris Statlander 1099 01:02:02.010 --> 01:02:05.889 for the belt. So I was for some TBS or something. 1100 01:02:05.929 --> 01:02:06.150 Yeah. 1101 01:02:06.170 --> 01:02:09.130 So I was actually incorrect. I had seen her at 1102 01:02:09.190 --> 01:02:12.239 the last pay-per-view I was at. But yeah, it was 1103 01:02:12.300 --> 01:02:13.639 a banger. I mean, she's great. 1104 01:02:13.880 --> 01:02:19.059 To provide an actual answer to your question, Kelson, it 1105 01:02:19.119 --> 01:02:21.940 may be a little soon, but have you heard about 1106 01:02:21.980 --> 01:02:23.360 the Tony Storm tapes? 1107 01:02:24.110 --> 01:02:27.050 Yes, but I agree with you that it is a 1108 01:02:27.050 --> 01:02:30.250 little too soon. There's a lot too soon. I don't 1109 01:02:30.309 --> 01:02:32.849 think that Tony Storm, I think the Tony Storm tapes 1110 01:02:32.889 --> 01:02:37.170 are going to be building toward, I think at the earliest, 1111 01:02:37.210 --> 01:02:42.079 World's End. I really do. the last pay-per-view of the year. 1112 01:02:42.280 --> 01:02:46.210 Yeah, because she's out until the end of the year, Tony. 1113 01:02:46.230 --> 01:02:49.949 You know, you just keep doing teaser after teaser after teaser, 1114 01:02:50.869 --> 01:02:54.050 and then bring her back when she's ready to come back. 1115 01:02:54.230 --> 01:03:00.929 Could be Dynasty. That's in Liverpool, right? Dynasty's in Liverpool? 1116 01:03:00.949 --> 01:03:04.019 Yeah, and it's basically sold out already. 1117 01:03:04.679 --> 01:03:07.360 Yeah, there was only 83 tickets last time I saw, 1118 01:03:07.400 --> 01:03:10.909 but here's the thing, when, you know, Toni Storm was 1119 01:03:10.969 --> 01:03:13.389 born in Australia, but where did she go to train 1120 01:03:13.429 --> 01:03:16.449 for wrestling and where she lived? Liverpool. 1121 01:03:16.889 --> 01:03:18.030 New UK. 1122 01:03:20.630 --> 01:03:23.599 So I have to disagree with you. I mean, obviously, 1123 01:03:24.039 --> 01:03:27.239 Toni Storm and Mercedes Bonet would be a good future matchup. 1124 01:03:28.219 --> 01:03:30.699 Not in three weeks. 1125 01:03:31.159 --> 01:03:31.340 No. 1126 01:03:31.599 --> 01:03:35.159 So we want to see a babyface heel. We want 1127 01:03:35.199 --> 01:03:37.179 to see two heels. We want to just pick a 1128 01:03:37.239 --> 01:03:39.400 good opponent. Like, what are we thinking here? 1129 01:03:40.199 --> 01:03:44.389 Sacrificial lamb it's probably going to be a sacrificial lamb 1130 01:03:44.670 --> 01:03:49.570 but do you want to hear my idea yes please 1131 01:03:49.610 --> 01:03:54.139 yeah kelson yeah full gear is on november 14th blood 1132 01:03:54.179 --> 01:03:59.340 and guts is on november 4th five women five women 1133 01:04:00.239 --> 01:04:05.199 versus five women the winner of that match on the 1134 01:04:05.260 --> 01:04:10.840 following dynamite in a five-way match face each other, and 1135 01:04:10.889 --> 01:04:14.389 the winner of that match goes on the full gear 1136 01:04:15.170 --> 01:04:16.750 to challenge Mercedes Monet. 1137 01:04:17.030 --> 01:04:17.550 Yes. 1138 01:04:17.929 --> 01:04:19.989 They do the same thing for the men. That's who 1139 01:04:20.010 --> 01:04:26.510 you pick, how you pick for the challenger for Will Ospreay. 1140 01:04:26.769 --> 01:04:27.539 I like it. 1141 01:04:27.730 --> 01:04:31.690 Honestly, right now, for blood and guts, I don't really 1142 01:04:31.789 --> 01:04:36.389 see how you get, I mean, especially with how many 1143 01:04:36.429 --> 01:04:41.539 people are going to be gone, wrestling on Tower Struggle 1144 01:04:41.579 --> 01:04:43.559 the day before. Mm-hmm. 1145 01:04:43.599 --> 01:04:48.519 Muscle and Moxley are out for sure. 1146 01:04:49.380 --> 01:04:50.199 And Gabe Kidd. 1147 01:04:52.340 --> 01:04:54.480 Gabe Kidd and Willer Yuta as well. 1148 01:04:55.239 --> 01:04:57.869 Yeah, and Kenny's over there as well. 1149 01:04:58.869 --> 01:05:00.849 We're talking about the women's title, guys. 1150 01:05:01.690 --> 01:05:05.429 Full Gear is my birthday pay-per-view, so somebody I like 1151 01:05:05.489 --> 01:05:06.250 has better be there. 1152

01:05:08.119 --> 01:05:12.409 I like Kelson's idea because it gives the match immediate 1153 01:05:12.469 --> 01:05:15.449 stakes and it makes it where you don't have to 1154 01:05:15.510 --> 01:05:19.690 come up with these teams who have a problem. You 1155 01:05:19.730 --> 01:05:25.260 can just say, okay, it's these 10 people and you 1156 01:05:25.280 --> 01:05:27.699 can almost make the teams random at that point. 1157 01:05:28.340 --> 01:05:31.019 I mean, you can even do it with the five-way match. 1158 01:05:35.590 --> 01:05:38.159 Make it a single elimination match. You pin, you're out. 1159 01:05:38.199 --> 01:05:40.619 It goes down to the one. What would it be 1160 01:05:40.659 --> 01:05:43.699 like to have Lena Cross and Megan Bain as the 1161 01:05:43.739 --> 01:05:46.619 final two in that match? 1162 01:05:46.639 --> 01:05:47.719 It's funny you mention that. 1163 01:05:48.039 --> 01:05:49.019 It builds story. 1164 01:05:49.179 --> 01:05:54.139 It's funny you mention that because I am ready for 1165 01:05:54.159 --> 01:05:58.610 a Lena Cross singles run. And if I am picking 1166 01:05:58.630 --> 01:06:03.119 an opponent for Mercedes, I think... Lena earning a title 1167 01:06:03.139 --> 01:06:06.400 match is what they use as a catalyst to build 1168 01:06:06.440 --> 01:06:10.940 tension between her and Megan Bain. And I would love 1169 01:06:10.960 --> 01:06:16.519 to see Lena Cross versus Mercedes. I also think I'd 1170 01:06:16.559 --> 01:06:21.780 like to see... God, her name's Persephone as well. I 1171 01:06:21.800 --> 01:06:24.519 think it's time she gets up in that mix as well, too. 1172 01:06:25.139 --> 01:06:27.539 But Lena Cross is the one that popped into my mind. 1173 01:06:27.559 --> 01:06:30.179 I would like to see what she can do with 1174 01:06:30.219 --> 01:06:34.909 Mercedes in the ring. I think Mercedes would elevate that 1175 01:06:34.989 --> 01:06:38.250 to possibly the best match of Lena Cross' career. I 1176 01:06:38.309 --> 01:06:40.030 really think they could do something special together. 1177 01:06:40.190 --> 01:06:44.949 Yeah, I mean, of course you have Fright Night Dynamite 1178 01:06:45.570 --> 01:06:48.570 and Fright Night Collision. And then you also have, you know, 1179 01:06:48.590 --> 01:06:51.849 blood and guts. And, of course, just a regular collision 1180 01:06:51.909 --> 01:06:54.820 and regular dynamite this week. You've got to build toward 1181 01:06:56.619 --> 01:07:00.139 blood and guts. We have no clue right now. We 1182 01:07:00.159 --> 01:07:01.920 don't even have any clue if there's going to be 1183 01:07:02.019 --> 01:07:06.239 a women's blood and guts. There better be. We don't 1184 01:07:06.280 --> 01:07:07.739 have any clue if there's going to be a men's 1185 01:07:07.780 --> 01:07:08.320 blood and guts. 1186 01:07:09.219 --> 01:07:10.269 There better be. 1187 01:07:10.769 --> 01:07:15.090 You know, it's just as simple as that. But who's 1188 01:07:15.110 --> 01:07:17.500 going to be in

it? And that's... Something that I'm 1189 01:07:17.519 --> 01:07:22.360 looking forward to tomorrow night is seeing some clues as 1190 01:07:22.400 --> 01:07:24.730 to who's going to be in Blood and Guts. The 1191 01:07:24.789 --> 01:07:28.409 only people, the only person, I'm going to be honest 1192 01:07:28.429 --> 01:07:31.250 with you, the only person that seems like a shoe-in 1193 01:07:31.309 --> 01:07:36.800 for Blood and Guts is Sky Blue. Because it's her match. 1194 01:07:36.820 --> 01:07:37.639 That's what I was thinking. 1195 01:07:37.800 --> 01:07:39.300 You know, for better or for worse. 1196 01:07:39.480 --> 01:07:43.510 There'd better be both. Blood and Guts matches. Blood and 1197 01:07:43.550 --> 01:07:47.889 Guts is sicko Christmas. I want an absolute carnage fest. 1198 01:07:49.289 --> 01:07:51.349 A gore bacchanal, if you will. 1199 01:07:52.309 --> 01:07:56.760 Who was the big feuds on TV? They kind of 1200 01:07:56.780 --> 01:07:59.840 are setting up some... Was it Death Riders and Bang 1201 01:07:59.860 --> 01:08:03.860 Bang Gang? Didn't they just have a big... Yeah, I 1202 01:08:03.880 --> 01:08:05.500 wouldn't be surprised if it's the two of them. 1203 01:08:05.659 --> 01:08:09.840 Death Riders and the dogs against Bang Bang Gang. 1204 01:08:10.900 --> 01:08:13.239 I mean, three of the guys aren't going to be there. 1205 01:08:13.519 --> 01:08:16.779 I don't know about... Well, that's what the dogs are for. 1206 01:08:17.000 --> 01:08:18.399 But I don't know if I want to see Jay 1207 01:08:18.460 --> 01:08:24.350 White in another match like that with his track record 1208 01:08:24.409 --> 01:08:26.590 of getting hurt and those types of events. 1209 01:08:26.710 --> 01:08:31.090 Yeah, I mean, I put Jay White and Jamie Hayter 1210 01:08:31.130 --> 01:08:36.329 in the same category. They're terrific talents, but they're glass cannons. 1211 01:08:37.949 --> 01:08:40.439 You know... you breathe on them wrong and they seem 1212 01:08:40.460 --> 01:08:42.800 to get hurt. I don't mean that disrespectfully. I want 1213 01:08:42.840 --> 01:08:47.609 to see them get 100% healthy and then not do 1214 01:08:47.710 --> 01:08:51.210 stupid stuff with their matches. Stick around for a while, guys. 1215 01:08:51.289 --> 01:08:55.840 It's a long road ahead. You know, they don't need 1216 01:08:55.859 --> 01:08:59.460 to put Jamie Hader or Jay White in blood and guts. 1217 01:09:00.220 --> 01:09:06.609 or Chicago brawls or whatever. Chicago street balls, street fights, 1218 01:09:07.170 --> 01:09:13.829 you know, Philadelphia brawls, Long Island ice team matches, whatever. 1219 01:09:15.470 --> 01:09:16.439 Oh, that's a good one. 1220 01:09:17.680 --> 01:09:23.739 Would that be the sister match to the Mimosa Madness? 1221 01:09:24.300 --> 01:09:24.600 Yes. 1222 01:09:26.659 --> 01:09:28.939 Mimosa Madness is what they do at the brunch place. 1223 01:09:28.960 --> 01:09:31.680 They got to get rid of all the ladies on Sunday. 1224 01:09:32.079 --> 01:09:35.300 So one of the things, I didn't post this, somebody 1225 01:09:35.380 --> 01:09:42.930 else did, but the question was, should AEW develop a 1226 01:09:43.050 --> 01:09:45.729 women's trios division? Well, you know what my answer to 1227 01:09:45.770 --> 01:09:49.159 that would be right away. because I don't like trios matches, 1228 01:09:49.239 --> 01:09:52.359 my answer would be no. But one of the things 1229 01:09:52.460 --> 01:09:57.000 that was answered the most was, AEW needs to build 1230 01:09:57.539 --> 01:10:04.250 their tag team division first. And it's the truth. Chris 1231 01:10:04.930 --> 01:10:11.590 Statlander is with Harley Cameron. The Brawling Birds, they're kind 1232 01:10:11.630 --> 01:10:14.270 of in limbo. I really do think that the titles 1233 01:10:14.300 --> 01:10:16.439 are going to have to come off of them because 1234 01:10:17.270 --> 01:10:19.569 I don't know if Jamie Hayter can do it. You 1235 01:10:19.590 --> 01:10:23.310 know what I mean? If she comes back in a 1236 01:10:23.329 --> 01:10:26.850 couple weeks, Tony Khan said she could come back in 1237 01:10:26.869 --> 01:10:29.470 a couple weeks, hopefully. Is she going to be able 1238 01:10:29.489 --> 01:10:31.189 to come back, or is she going to be able 1239 01:10:31.229 --> 01:10:33.850 to come back healthy? You know? 1240 01:10:33.869 --> 01:10:36.390 Well, it depends on the injury. I mean, she could 1241 01:10:36.409 --> 01:10:38.789 have just pulled a hamstring, where you can't draw the ring, 1242 01:10:38.850 --> 01:10:40.869 but in a couple weeks, you know, I don't know. 1243 01:10:41.090 --> 01:10:42.930 I don't think they said what she's banged up. 1244 01:10:43.609 --> 01:10:43.850 Right. 1245 01:10:44.149 --> 01:10:44.899 You know, it's just. 1246 01:10:47.319 --> 01:10:50.560 I don't know, but you've got to build the tag 1247 01:10:50.579 --> 01:10:53.600 team division. You've got to build. Remember we were talking 1248 01:10:53.640 --> 01:10:59.060 about Adam Copeland retiring and putting over to younger talent. 1249 01:11:00.340 --> 01:11:04.550 I really do feel that way about the women's division too. 1250 01:11:05.359 --> 01:11:07.149 One of the things I do want to say too 1251 01:11:07.319 --> 01:11:10.350 is that if you look at the AEW signings, I 1252 01:11:10.390 --> 01:11:12.449 don't know if you saw this, if you look at 1253 01:11:12.470 --> 01:11:18.260 the AEW signings in 2026 so far, AEW has signed 1254 01:11:18.260 --> 01:11:27.470 25 new wrestlers in 2026. And 16 of them wrestled 1255 01:11:28.750 --> 01:11:33.560 during WrestleDream week. So it's not like they're not using them. 1256 01:11:34.270 --> 01:11:42.020 But you've got to give people like Zeta Steel and 1257 01:11:42.220 --> 01:11:46.779 Danny Luna. Danny Luna's been in two matches. two pay-per-views 1258 01:11:46.819 --> 01:11:49.750 in a row but she's not gonna win you know 1259 01:11:50.590 --> 01:11:55.609 so you gotta build up these teams um

and these 1260 01:11:55.649 --> 01:11:58.289 individuals because it's important go. 1261 01:11:58.189 --> 01:12:02.600 Ahead yeah um i actually uh brought this up as 1262 01:12:02.649 --> 01:12:05.239 a topic so i'll sort of like it seems like 1263 01:12:05.260 --> 01:12:08.729 a good place to bring it up um One thing 1264 01:12:08.789 --> 01:12:11.520 about the men's division is that not only do you 1265 01:12:11.529 --> 01:12:14.479 have stuff going on with the titles, but it's also 1266 01:12:14.760 --> 01:12:22.020 crisscrossed with all these interesting interpersonal relationships that can always 1267 01:12:22.060 --> 01:12:26.960 have something for someone to do. No matter what's going on, 1268 01:12:27.560 --> 01:12:32.689 you can... throw Swerve and Hanger into a match and 1269 01:12:32.729 --> 01:12:36.149 it'll be awesome because they have a ready-made storyline that 1270 01:12:36.189 --> 01:12:40.010 can be reignited at any given time, for example. 1271 01:12:41.430 --> 01:12:45.159 Right, but I think in your suggestion, basically, I don't 1272 01:12:45.180 --> 01:12:46.899 know if you said this outright, but it seemed to 1273 01:12:46.920 --> 01:12:49.399 me like you at least alluded to it. You don't 1274 01:12:49.560 --> 01:12:51.600 have to have a feud be for a title. You 1275 01:12:51.619 --> 01:12:57.649 can have feuds that are non-title matches and non-title series. 1276 01:12:59.359 --> 01:13:02.859 we're getting that with Motor City Machine Guns, you know, 1277 01:13:02.890 --> 01:13:07.630 in the tag matches with FTR, but you can do 1278 01:13:07.670 --> 01:13:09.109 that through everything. 1279 01:13:09.189 --> 01:13:13.590 It just doesn't seem to me like it's there, but 1280 01:13:14.409 --> 01:13:18.439 the women's division doesn't have like that rich tapestry, as 1281 01:13:18.520 --> 01:13:22.060 rich a tapestry of interpersonal relationships as the men's division does. 1282 01:13:22.800 --> 01:13:24.939 And if you build that up, then you'll always have 1283 01:13:24.979 --> 01:13:26.100 something for people to do. 1284 01:13:26.319 --> 01:13:27.659 So you left us speechless, Jess. 1285 01:13:28.130 --> 01:13:31.329 Yeah. I mean, is there anybody, I mean, do you 1286 01:13:31.390 --> 01:13:35.180 agree guys that you don't have to have, especially in 1287 01:13:35.220 --> 01:13:39.399 the women's division with look, the women's division is a 1288 01:13:40.060 --> 01:13:43.380 lot smaller. It's a lot smaller than the men's division, 1289 01:13:44.319 --> 01:13:49.460 but just, but that makes it to where it's more 1290 01:13:49.579 --> 01:13:53.180 likely that you're going to have the same women wrestling 1291 01:13:53.399 --> 01:13:58.050 every week. And I, for one, I'm not a proponent 1292 01:13:58.430 --> 01:14:06.689 of putting, you know, meaningless trios matches in a show 1293 01:14:06.750 --> 01:14:09.449 to get six women onto a match. I'd rather have 1294 01:14:10.109 --> 01:14:13.689 four women wrestle in a tag team because then you 1295 01:14:13.729 --> 01:14:18.239 can at least further the tag team division. And you 1296 01:14:18.279 --> 01:14:21.960 don't have to have an eliminator match. You don't have 1297 01:14:21.979 --> 01:14:23.840 to have a championship match. You don't even have to 1298 01:14:23.859 --> 01:14:26.489 have a number one contender match. You just need to 1299 01:14:26.529 --> 01:14:30.340 get these people, these tag teams into a feud, similar 1300 01:14:30.399 --> 01:14:32.579 to what is being done right now with Motors of 1301 01:14:32.619 --> 01:14:33.859 the City, Machine Guns, and FTL. 1302 01:14:35.239 --> 01:14:35.640 Oh, sure. 1303 01:14:35.720 --> 01:14:39.319 I mean, there was, I mean, months back, the two 1304 01:14:39.380 --> 01:14:42.479 I was interested most in the women's division were Tecla 1305 01:14:42.520 --> 01:14:45.159 and Queen Almanada because they were just beating the crap 1306 01:14:45.239 --> 01:14:48.079 out of each other. That was awesome. Like, I wanted 1307 01:14:48.119 --> 01:14:51.859 to see more of that. Like, they need more of 1308 01:14:52.039 --> 01:14:56.760 that where it's not just, The titles, it's, hey, these 1309 01:14:56.840 --> 01:14:59.199 ladies don't like each other. They want to beat each 1310 01:14:59.279 --> 01:15:02.739 other up. Everyone can relate to that. 1311 01:15:02.920 --> 01:15:07.060 There's only a few feuds like that. Number one is 1312 01:15:07.079 --> 01:15:11.590 Hangman and Swerve. That's, I think, the top tier of 1313 01:15:13.390 --> 01:15:18.140 even their greatest matches. There wasn't a title involved. Underneath that, 1314 01:15:18.319 --> 01:15:20.960 I think you've got Takeshi and Okada have established themselves 1315 01:15:21.039 --> 01:15:22.979 as a long-term feud. You can have the two of 1316 01:15:23.020 --> 01:15:25.859 them face off at any time. They've got the lineage 1317 01:15:25.920 --> 01:15:29.199 now that that can happen. I think on the women's division, 1318 01:15:29.239 --> 01:15:32.989 before injuries got in the way, Britt Baker and Thunder 1319 01:15:33.029 --> 01:15:35.789 Rosa were well on the road to that, but stuff 1320 01:15:35.810 --> 01:15:38.850 derailed that. But to your point, Kelson, I don't think 1321 01:15:39.090 --> 01:15:42.270 anybody on the women's side has that kind of heat 1322 01:15:43.369 --> 01:15:46.750 where they can heat that up. Teclan Amanata wasn't, was 1323 01:15:46.810 --> 01:15:49.729 something they did kind of inadvertently that the fans picked 1324 01:15:49.810 --> 01:15:51.420 up on and they just did in the ring, but 1325 01:15:51.439 --> 01:15:54.979 they never really focused on it. But I, I agree 1326 01:15:55.000 --> 01:15:58.159 with you, Kelson. They need to establish a little more, 1327 01:15:58.239 --> 01:16:02.039 just people that hate each other, that when they meet 1328 01:16:02.100 --> 01:16:04.859 in the ring periodically through, and you got to refresh 1329 01:16:04.899 --> 01:16:06.979 it

through the year. You got to remind people of that. 1330 01:16:07.020 --> 01:16:08.859 They do that with hangman and sort of really well, 1331 01:16:08.890 --> 01:16:11.569 but you got to remind them, like just pick two 1332 01:16:11.609 --> 01:16:14.609 people that, And start developing that. I think it's too 1333 01:16:14.649 --> 01:16:17.850 late to pay it off this year. But I think 1334 01:16:17.899 --> 01:16:20.560 that's really important, Kelson, because those are the types of 1335 01:16:20.579 --> 01:16:23.380 matches that when you don't have anything else going, you 1336 01:16:23.399 --> 01:16:25.340 can kind of heat that up at any time and 1337 01:16:25.359 --> 01:16:27.380 you've got something in your back pocket you can play 1338 01:16:27.439 --> 01:16:30.220 when maybe you're in kind of a transitional period where 1339 01:16:30.239 --> 01:16:34.119 you're moving some people into places for longer-term storylines. You 1340 01:16:34.159 --> 01:16:36.880 can get those two people with familiarity that always have 1341 01:16:36.920 --> 01:16:39.520 heat together and heat them up real quick to bridge 1342 01:16:39.550 --> 01:16:39.819 that gap. 1343 01:16:40.979 --> 01:16:44.640 Yeah, I mean, it takes time to build proper heat, but, 1344 01:16:44.960 --> 01:16:47.300 you know, you've got to build the feud, and it's 1345 01:16:48.260 --> 01:16:49.819 not going to be done in a week or two 1346 01:16:50.220 --> 01:16:53.619 to build a proper feud and get the heat that's required. But, 1347 01:16:53.939 --> 01:16:56.159 you know, I hate to say it, I don't want 1348 01:16:56.180 --> 01:17:00.039 to see something with just Willow. That's not going to 1349 01:17:00.100 --> 01:17:04.739 do it. You've got to do two, three, four, build 1350 01:17:04.840 --> 01:17:10.989 four stories. Get eight women involved, one-on-one. You know, you 1351 01:17:11.010 --> 01:17:14.100 can put them in tag matches together too, but get 1352 01:17:14.149 --> 01:17:19.739 something going. Because right now it's Megan Bain, it's Divine Dominion, 1353 01:17:20.319 --> 01:17:23.399 and the Sisters of Sin. And every single week I 1354 01:17:23.439 --> 01:17:26.720 have nothing against the Divine Dominion and the Sisters of Sin. 1355 01:17:27.560 --> 01:17:29.899 I think they're both terrific. And I will say this, 1356 01:17:29.960 --> 01:17:32.689 I don't know how you felt about this, Barry, in 1357 01:17:32.729 --> 01:17:36.289 the pre-show. I thought the Divine Dominion and Sisters of 1358 01:17:36.329 --> 01:17:38.979 Sin match was brilliant. I thought it was great. 1359 01:17:39.020 --> 01:17:41.060 Oh, it was fun. It was a great time. 1360 01:17:41.260 --> 01:17:45.359 It was a contrast in styles. Megan Bain and Lena 1361 01:17:45.399 --> 01:17:49.539 Cross were using their power, and Julia Hart and Sky 1362 01:17:49.579 --> 01:17:51.350 Blue were zipping all over the ring. 1363 01:17:52.310 --> 01:17:54.710 Speed versus strength. And it's funny you mention that, because 1364 01:17:54.750 --> 01:17:58.310 that's kind of what we observed, too. Also, I think 1365 01:17:58.369 --> 01:18:00.829 it's pretty clear that Triangle of Madness are going to 1366 01:18:00.850 --> 01:18:04.770 be turning babyface. People already want to cheer for Tecla 1367 01:18:04.869 --> 01:18:09.500 in a Stone Cold-esque manner. And Sisters of Sin are just, 1368 01:18:09.619 --> 01:18:12.420 they're just a lot of fun to watch. And putting 1369 01:18:12.439 --> 01:18:15.560 them in there against the Towers of Terror, you know, 1370 01:18:15.579 --> 01:18:18.319 of the Divine Dominion, like, it's an easy way to 1371 01:18:18.359 --> 01:18:22.430 frame them as babyfaces. So I viewed all of those matches, 1372 01:18:22.529 --> 01:18:25.130 especially since the six of them are kind of feuding together, 1373 01:18:25.409 --> 01:18:31.329 as a babyface turn for Pecla and the Sisters of Sin. 1374 01:18:31.390 --> 01:18:33.130 Certainly that's how we picked it up in person. 1375 01:18:33.550 --> 01:18:38.409 Well, don't forget that early on, Everybody was cheering for 1376 01:18:38.449 --> 01:18:41.310 Sky Blue when she first came in. You know, she 1377 01:18:41.380 --> 01:18:45.380 was bubbly and bright and everything. When Julia Hart was 1378 01:18:45.420 --> 01:18:48.470 TBS champion, she was a heel, but she was getting 1379 01:18:48.529 --> 01:18:49.979 face pops, just like TBS. 1380 01:18:50.420 --> 01:18:50.640 Did. 1381 01:18:52.300 --> 01:18:55.380 People want to cheer for Julia. Give the people what 1382 01:18:55.399 --> 01:19:00.720 they want. There's nothing wrong with that. It doesn't necessarily 1383 01:19:00.739 --> 01:19:01.779 mean that they have to win. 1384 01:19:02.279 --> 01:19:06.199 Those three are really in the classic anti-hero vibe at 1385 01:19:06.239 --> 01:19:11.569 this point. They're not good guys, but they're not like, oh, 1386 01:19:11.729 --> 01:19:17.689 just pure evil. People like them because there's something interesting 1387 01:19:17.729 --> 01:19:21.750 about them. Tecla is just freaking cool. There's just no 1388 01:19:21.810 --> 01:19:24.529 other way to say it. She's cool. 1389 01:19:24.590 --> 01:19:26.869 I will say this, and I really mean it. I 1390 01:19:26.909 --> 01:19:29.810 was shocked when I saw, I thought it was going 1391 01:19:29.829 --> 01:19:32.329 to be a squash in the pre-show, but that Sisters 1392 01:19:32.409 --> 01:19:37.369 of Sin versus Divine Dominion match at the Tailgate Brawl, 1393 01:19:37.880 --> 01:19:41.199 It was a really, really good match. I thoroughly enjoyed that. 1394 01:19:42.060 --> 01:19:43.029 Oh, yeah, it was a lot of fun. 1395 01:19:44.079 --> 01:19:44.760 Yeah, it was good. 1396 01:19:44.979 --> 01:19:46.600 You know, that's what I want to see. I want 1397 01:19:46.619 --> 01:19:52.569 to see, you know, more Sky Blue against Megan Bain. 1398 01:19:52.850 --> 01:19:55.710 I want to see Julia against Megan Bain and vice versa. 1399 01:19:56.109 -->

01:19:58.170 But I also want to see them branch out and 1400 01:19:59.130 --> 01:20:03.479 go after... I really like Haiyan. I really do. I 1401 01:20:03.520 --> 01:20:06.659 think she's very talented. But we'll see. 1402 01:20:08.250 --> 01:20:10.659 You know, it might be kind of fun, like not 1403 01:20:10.800 --> 01:20:13.979 and probably not anytime soon, because I think like everything's 1404 01:20:14.020 --> 01:20:17.460 already planned up for a while. But just at some point, 1405 01:20:17.560 --> 01:20:19.560 if they want to do something like a mixed match, 1406 01:20:20.100 --> 01:20:24.039 mixed match challenge, I think that'd be really fun. 1407 01:20:25.470 --> 01:20:27.529 What do you mean by a mixed match challenge? 1408 01:20:27.829 --> 01:20:30.689 Well, he's never heard of Tony Chimel either. 1409 01:20:30.710 --> 01:20:31.630 Yeah, right. 1410 01:20:34.359 --> 01:20:37.020 Give me an example you know I mean the mixed 1411 01:20:37.060 --> 01:20:41.619 match challenge was something they actually did in WWE like 1412 01:20:41.720 --> 01:20:47.399 quite a while back yeah that's basically a tournament where 1413 01:20:47.439 --> 01:20:51.270 you have it's a mixed tag tournament where you have 1414 01:20:51.279 --> 01:20:56.810 like one a male wrestler paired up with a female wrestler. 1415 01:20:56.369 --> 01:21:00.949 They did mixed tag rules which means the men and 1416 01:21:00.970 --> 01:21:04.250 women can't fight each other but This is AEW, and 1417 01:21:04.289 --> 01:21:09.649 they don't shy away as much from intergender stuff, so 1418 01:21:09.689 --> 01:21:12.930 I wouldn't mind seeing that. But even just kept strictly 1419 01:21:13.069 --> 01:21:15.939 mixed match, it could be a fun thing to see. 1420 01:21:16.739 --> 01:21:20.619 Get more Marina Shafir against Roderick Strong, Sky Blue against 1421 01:21:20.720 --> 01:21:21.899 Kyle Fletcher kind of thing? 1422 01:21:22.600 --> 01:21:23.579 Yeah, exactly. 1423 01:21:24.380 --> 01:21:25.020 Exactly. 1424 01:21:26.029 --> 01:21:29.670 You had like odd pairings and things like that, but 1425 01:21:29.850 --> 01:21:33.810 you had pairings that made sense and others that were like, ooh, 1426 01:21:33.930 --> 01:21:36.109 I don't know. And then it was like. 1427 01:21:36.510 --> 01:21:41.060 Yeah, it was cool. It was on Facebook, actually. Yeah, 1428 01:21:41.119 --> 01:21:48.100 Big Show and it was Paul White and– Oh, jeez. No, 1429 01:21:48.159 --> 01:21:52.359 not Rico. Alexa Bliss. They actually worked together as Team 1430 01:21:52.420 --> 01:21:55.119 Little Big, and they had amazing chemistry. 1431 01:21:55.140 --> 01:21:55.640 Yeah! 1432 01:21:56.100 --> 01:21:57.479 It was Braun Strowman. 1433 01:21:57.600 --> 01:21:58.680 Oh, it was Braun Strowman. 1434 01:21:58.720 --> 01:21:59.279 That's right. 1435 01:21:59.500 --> 01:21:59.899 Sorry. 1436 01:22:00.340 --> 01:22:02.579 It's been a while. I forgot. I knew it was 1437 01:22:02.659 --> 01:22:04.899 one of the big guys

with the beard. 1438 01:22:04.939 --> 01:22:07.039 Your birthday is coming up, so you are getting old. 1439 01:22:08.539 --> 01:22:08.800 Yeah. 1440 01:22:09.060 --> 01:22:11.060 Yeah, it was Braun Strowman and Alexa Bliss, and they 1441 01:22:11.100 --> 01:22:14.140 were Team Little Big, and their chemistry was awesome. 1442 01:22:14.640 --> 01:22:17.659 Obviously, Braun Strowman and Orange Cassidy would be a team that. 1443 01:22:18.560 --> 01:22:22.869 No, no, Tony Storm and... Yeah, well, yeah, Tony Storm 1444 01:22:22.909 --> 01:22:26.510 and Orange Cassidy against Juice Robinson and... I don't know. 1445 01:22:26.930 --> 01:22:27.470 Somebody else. 1446 01:22:28.250 --> 01:22:31.869 And then you could have an excuse to put Brody 1447 01:22:31.909 --> 01:22:34.489 King and Alexa Bliss in a team... Alexa Bliss. 1448 01:22:34.689 --> 01:22:35.010 Jeez. 1449 01:22:35.810 --> 01:22:39.810 Got Team Little Big on the brain. And Julia Hart 1450 01:22:39.850 --> 01:22:40.529 back together. 1451 01:22:40.550 --> 01:22:43.560 Yeah, that would be interesting. 1452 01:22:45.159 --> 01:22:45.439 Yeah. 1453 01:22:45.920 --> 01:22:51.899 Don't discount... Buddy Matthews coming back. Don't sleep on him. 1454 01:22:51.920 --> 01:22:57.640 There's who could be Copeland's final opponent. 1455 01:22:57.880 --> 01:22:59.810 Yeah, that would be cool. 1456 01:23:00.090 --> 01:23:05.590 Yeah, I agree. But anyway, we ran a little bit 1457 01:23:05.649 --> 01:23:08.289 long tonight. We tried to speed it up, but we 1458 01:23:08.609 --> 01:23:11.409 went off the rails as normal, as usual, a little bit. 1459 01:23:11.939 --> 01:23:12.609 I play Barry. 1460 01:23:12.640 --> 01:23:15.760 I accept responsibility. 1461 01:23:20.789 --> 01:23:25.850 But anyway we will be back for you know what 1462 01:23:27.250 --> 01:23:31.550 yeah we got one more show before our I believe 1463 01:23:32.170 --> 01:23:34.210 is it one more or two more shows before our 1464 01:23:34.850 --> 01:23:38.890 full gear preview and prediction show that would be on 1465 01:23:38.909 --> 01:23:43.369 the 10th of November we got two more we'll have 1466 01:23:43.430 --> 01:23:47.060 Fright Night Dynamite coming up that's always fun Got Blood 1467 01:23:47.100 --> 01:23:51.949 and Guts coming up. So those are always fun shows. 1468 01:23:52.529 --> 01:23:55.250 So I'm looking forward to it. We'll be back Tuesday 1469 01:23:55.289 --> 01:24:00.710 night next week, 8.45 p.m. Eastern Time for another episode 1470 01:24:01.510 --> 01:24:05.800 of Ignition. Thanks for listening, everybody. Be sure to subscribe 1471 01:24:05.880 --> 01:24:10.319 to the YouTube channel or like on Facebook and like 1472 01:24:10.579 --> 01:24:14.220 on X. It really helps us get out there to 1473 01:24:14.539 --> 01:24:20.939 more people. And we appreciate your time listening to whatever 1474 01:24:21.000 --> 01:24:21.600 we just did. 1475 01:24:21.619 --> 01:24:24.819 Good night, Adam Kingston. 1476 01:24:25.079 --> 01:24:28.840 Yep, for the A.W. Fan Out podcast team, this is Kelson. 1477 01:24:28.859 --> 01:24:29.720 Good night, everybody. 1478 01:24:30.479 --> 01:24:32.189 Good night, Working Samoa Joe. 1479 01:24:32.829 --> 01:24:33.890 Smash that like button. 1480 01:24:34.529 --> 01:24:38.770 Smash it. Don't bother with the notification bell. I don't 1481 01:24:38.810 --> 01:24:39.619 care what that thing is.