ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Linette and Josh talk about whether organic grain farmers have
legitimate complaints about foreign organic standards, or if they are just seeking price protection from foreign competition.
English
United States

TRANSCRIPT

00:00:00I'm Josh barro Lopez and this is hard pass okay Josh apparently America is having a problem with how fast and loose were playing it with our great we're playing at fast and fast and loose with are grains we export a lot of corn and soybeans and stuff like that but like McDonald's quality your regular agriculture big farm stuff when it comes to the good good stuff apparently other countries are beating us in that situation and American organic grain farmers are pissed about it you're going out and buying your organic grain bowls are at work if you want your soy latte soy milk is a couple catches what is a lot of people you know really pretentiously care about eating organic it's snow I'm supporting local farmers and I'm being sustainable and you know in fact often
00:01:00good from far away farther away than where conventionally produced grain would be the us grow organic rains were upset about all this low price for in competition they claim that foreign producers are not living up to the same organic standards as domestic producers now the question is you know this is something you often hear from the producers of all sorts of things trying to argue against foreign competition and sometimes it's true and sometimes it's bullshit good at grain production is it basically doesn't take any machines out there and they do the work that on an organic farm a human being would be doing these organic grains require more human labor because you're not using GMOs pesticides Tetra to keep nasty things off these crops so human beings actually have to do more work in terms of farming this and that is why countries like turkey they have a lower leg
00:02:00they're evil to Sammy's organic grains into the United States at a cheaper price and so the organic grain Farmers here are crying foul because it lowers the price overall and these foreign products are more competitive just talked a few weeks ago about avocados and how great it is that we can buy cheaper Mexican avocados in the US and that allowed us to have cheap guacamole all year why shouldn't we want be like Yay cheaper organic rain from Turkey instead of having to pay more to have it made in the US America First argument that is to say we need to protect our industry's we need to protect our Farmers again it's like the avocados were four decades we didn't allow Mexican avocados into the US and the reasoning was oh there are pests in the Mexican avocado fields and avocados pass will come into the US and they'll be in our fields and the thing about arguments like this is do you can raise them and objective free trade without officially objecting to free trade you're saying well I'd be happy to
00:03:00this logistical problem and if we can fix logistical problem then you can bring them in and you can go for decades and decades these other Farms are kept the same organic standards at The u.s. Farms or is this just a pretext the American organic farmers raise because they would like to have price protection against there more price competitive foreign competitors that remains unsettled this is the kind of big idea that we're looking at now in a globalized world and it's being questioned it's too we focus on what we are good at or do we as the Trump Administration would say diversify even into what we're not good at so that we can be completely and totally self-sufficient which is to say you know they want to bring different Supply chains for the Auto industry for example in Mexico back into the United States that are Auto industry is completely self-sufficient we don't depend on any other countries but the reason why those factors are.
00:04:00Mexico is because the labor is so much cheaper and actually makes the cost of the overall good cheaper around manufacturing and why you might want to trade restrictions on it is yes we can admit that trade produces cheaper products however over Decades of trading especially with middle-income countries like Mexico and China we've seen a shift away from the power of American workers they're having to compete with those workers in Mexico and China who will accept lower wages as it has been great for American consumers but it's been really bad for certain groups of American workers especially sort of moderately skilled men the sort of people who used to be able to take high school diploma and get a factory job that paid a good middle-class existence my house what are the family cars with great like I don't really want to create a whole bunch of new field worker jobs for organic rain even if they were
00:05:00in the US they wouldn't pay that well they wouldn't be near major Urban centers this is a boondoggle low unemployment right now question to hear that is brought up is our economy like where do we want America's future jobs to be there not an organic soy Farms you know we need more nurse practitioners we need more people who can read x-rays those kinds of things are like not necessarily incredibly high-skilled but not low-skilled either
00:05:34our past is produced by Ben Riskin are cover artist by John Fulton and the music you are hearing is by Aaron leader

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