Full Transcript for #157 - Solved Cold Cases (Premonitions and Pizza Preferences): Chelsea Jane Doe (Tiffany Bradley) & The Breckenridge Orange Sock Murders

patches so you're not- Oh, 45 00:01:32,264 --> 00:01:32,444 Austyn: no 46 00:01:32,454 --> 00:01:33,234 … Repy: fully covered. 47 00:01:33,244 --> 00:01:37,974 Austyn: But I'm talking about when after she turns, so the green version- 48 00:01:37,984 --> 00:01:38,484 Repy: Oh 49 00:01:38,494 --> 00:01:40,594 Austyn: where she's, like, all scaly and shit. 50 00:01:40,944 --> 00:01:41,414 Damn. 51 00:01:41,414 --> 00:01:44,432 But then I'm like, I have to paint myself green and do, 52 00:01:44,432 --> 00:01:45,682 like, all of the prosthetics. 53 00:01:45,712 --> 00:01:46,052 Yes. 54 00:01:46,052 --> 00:01:49,252 And I'm like, I don't know if I'll have time for that, but it would be amazing. 55 00:01:49,362 --> 00:01:49,672 Repy: Yeah. 56 00:01:49,682 --> 00:01:52,602 Austyn: So I'm like… And if we're renting a place and we're 57 00:01:52,602 --> 00:01:56,032 gonna be there all day, then it's like, okay, maybe that works. 58 00:01:56,032 --> 00:01:59,542 Repy: We could have, like, a Saturday Halloween ball where everyone 59 00:01:59,542 --> 00:02:01,592 puts, like, their best costume on. 60 00:02:01,662 --> 00:02:01,692 Yes. 61 00:02:02,802 --> 00:02:03,642 It's, like, extravagance. 62 00:02:03,642 --> 00:02:03,662 See. 63 00:02:04,042 --> 00:02:04,292 Austyn: Yes. 64 00:02:04,292 --> 00:02:04,632 The Met 65 00:02:04,632 --> 00:02:06,482 Repy: Gala- So- … of Halloween. 66 00:02:06,652 --> 00:02:06,672 Austyn: Exactly. 67 00:02:06,772 --> 00:02:08,475 Uh, Listen, I'm still on the fence. 68 00:02:08,485 --> 00:02:12,035 So my other… I'll just take you through a rundown of- Yes, take me 69 00:02:12,035 --> 00:02:12,855 through- … my thoughts … all of 70 00:02:12,855 --> 00:02:13,165 Repy: them. 71 00:02:13,505 --> 00:02:16,605 Austyn: So, so f- w- 'cause I have a Pinterest board of 72 00:02:16,605 --> 00:02:18,005 future Halloween costumes. 73 00:02:18,225 --> 00:02:18,415 Okay. 74 00:02:18,425 --> 00:02:20,265 And then I just kind of try to pick from them. 75 00:02:20,505 --> 00:02:25,235 So my one niche one that I'm like, I always wanna do but I don't 76 00:02:25,235 --> 00:02:28,927 think anyone will get it, is the cockroach dress from Hairspray. 77 00:02:30,941 --> 00:02:30,971 Yes. 78 00:02:30,981 --> 00:02:33,661 You know the pink- I get it … satin dress with cockroaches on it? 79 00:02:33,811 --> 00:02:34,191 I get it. 80 00:02:34,331 --> 00:02:34,531 Yes. 81 00:02:34,611 --> 00:02:37,421 So Tracy Turnblad in that dress specifically. 82 00:02:37,561 --> 00:02:37,771 Yes. 83 00:02:37,791 --> 00:02:44,621 Um, but then I have, um, what's her face from, uh, from Addams 84 00:02:44,621 --> 00:02:47,021 Family, the one who marries Fester. 85 00:02:47,301 --> 00:02:48,391 Repy: Yes. 86 00:02:48,391 --> 00:02:48,441 Um- 87 00:02:48,441 --> 00:02:49,431 Austyn: Yes, you know, Joan 88 00:02:50,041 --> 00:02:50,101 Repy: Cusack. 89 00:02:50,101 --> 00:02:51,011 Joan Cu- yeah. 90 00:02:51,201 --> 00:02:51,461 Austyn: Yes. 91 00:02:51,541 --> 00:02:53,548 And Miss Piggy is one of them. 92 00:02:53,648 --> 00:02:55,158 Repy: She's so hot. 93 00:02:55,358 --> 00:02:56,078 Austyn: I know. 94 00:02:56,198 --> 00:02:58,697 The woman from The Birds with the birds. 95 00:02:58,737 --> 00:02:59,657 Repy: The Birds. 96 00:02:59,967 --> 00:03:00,357 Austyn: Yeah. 97 00:03:00,577 --> 00:03:01,162 Uh, Oh, isn't that- … Gremlin 98 00:03:01,462 --> 00:03:02,692 … Repy: that's what's her face's mom? 99 00:03:02,692 --> 00:03:04,072 She used to own lions. 100 00:03:04,242 --> 00:03:04,962 Austyn: Jamie. 101 00:03:05,292 --> 00:03:05,702 Oh, no. 102 00:03:05,702 --> 00:03:12,242 Um, y- you mean, uh, Mariska Hargitay. 103 00:03:12,382 --> 00:03:12,702 Nope. 104 00:03:12,914 --> 00:03:13,324 no? 105 00:03:13,334 --> 00:03:13,974 Repy: I don't mean her either. 106 00:03:14,004 --> 00:03:15,442 Oh, I guess it, it really goes to the- Not 107 00:03:15,452 --> 00:03:16,122 Austyn: her mom? 108 00:03:16,562 --> 00:03:16,982 Repy: No. 109 00:03:16,982 --> 00:03:17,152 Um- 110 00:03:17,152 --> 00:03:17,932 Austyn: Jayne Mansfield? 111 00:03:18,082 --> 00:03:19,792 No, that's not- No … Jayne Mansfield. 112 00:03:19,832 --> 00:03:23,802 Repy: No, Jayne Mansfield, or, yeah, is her mom. 113 00:03:24,402 --> 00:03:24,872 Austyn: Let's see. 114 00:03:25,062 --> 00:03:28,709 That is, that, Jayne Mansfield is Mariska Har- oh, Tippi Hedren. 115 00:03:28,709 --> 00:03:30,419 Repy: Is that- Tippi Hedren, 116 00:03:30,459 --> 00:03:30,709 Austyn: yes. 117 00:03:30,719 --> 00:03:32,149 It's Tippi 118 00:03:32,149 --> 00:03:32,549 Repy: Hedren. 119 00:03:32,549 --> 00:03:32,949 Yeah. 120 00:03:32,999 --> 00:03:33,209 Austyn: Yes. 121 00:03:33,219 --> 00:03:40,409 Repy: And that is, Tippi Hedren is, fuck, who, sh, Tippi 122 00:03:40,689 --> 00:03:44,412 Hedren's mo- she's the mom of- 123 00:03:44,462 --> 00:03:45,182 Austyn: Melanie Griffith 124 00:03:45,182 --> 00:03:46,202 … Repy: Melanie Griffith. 125 00:03:46,422 --> 00:03:48,152 Austyn: Yes, Melanie Griffith, yes. 126 00:03:48,972 --> 00:03:49,242 Yes. 127 00:03:49,252 --> 00:03:50,012 So her. 128 00:03:50,152 --> 00:03:54,096 And then I have the, Greta the Gremlin Poison Ivy, but that's 129 00:03:54,096 --> 00:03:56,156 less scary and I like to go scary. 130 00:03:56,166 --> 00:03:56,466 Repy: Yeah. 131 00:03:56,506 --> 00:03:59,856 Austyn: Um, and then Lydia Deetz, obviously, in the red wedding dress, 132 00:03:59,856 --> 00:04:00,946 'cause I've never done that one. 133 00:04:00,946 --> 00:04:03,086 But that's, I feel like that's a little basic. 134 00:04:03,546 --> 00:04:03,746 Repy: Yeah. 135 00:04:03,776 --> 00:04:05,826 Austyn: Um, but, you know. 136 00:04:05,836 --> 00:04:07,836 So those are the things I have right now. 137 00:04:07,836 --> 00:04:11,626 I also was thinking, like, Bride of Frankenstein, but again, basic. 138 00:04:11,986 --> 00:04:12,006 Mm-hmm. 139 00:04:12,026 --> 00:04:14,547 Elvira, basic but classic. 140 00:04:14,557 --> 00:04:14,577 Yeah. 141

00:04:15,077 --> 00:04:16,657 So I don't know. 142 00:04:16,827 --> 00:04:18,447 I don't know what to do. 143 00:04:18,787 --> 00:04:21,517 Repy: I never know what to do, especially 'cause, like- 144 00:04:24,393 --> 00:04:28,346 Yeah, I just I wanna be really scary, but I also wanna be funny. 145 00:04:28,956 --> 00:04:29,306 Yes. 146 00:04:29,306 --> 00:04:35,466 But I was like, I could go as like a Five Nights of At Freddy's something or other. 147 00:04:35,626 --> 00:04:39,873 I could go from like an Until Dawn character, like after one of them's died. 148 00:04:40,123 --> 00:04:40,753 Austyn: Yes. 149 00:04:40,783 --> 00:04:44,463 Repy: Um, but yeah, so I should make a list too. 150 00:04:44,993 --> 00:04:45,363 Austyn: You should. 151 00:04:45,363 --> 00:04:45,403 Of interest. 152 00:04:45,403 --> 00:04:48,263 And then there's, there's ones that I'm like, "I've done in the 153 00:04:48,263 --> 00:04:49,853 past, but I would love to redo." 154 00:04:49,933 --> 00:04:52,353 And I'm just like, "Uh, is this the time for them or not?" 155 00:04:52,353 --> 00:04:54,743 Like Bride of Chucky, Carrie. 156 00:04:54,793 --> 00:04:54,893 So 157 00:04:54,893 --> 00:04:55,273 Repy: good. 158 00:04:55,323 --> 00:04:58,053 Austyn: Like- Yeah … those are all ones that I'm like, I 159 00:04:58,103 --> 00:04:59,853 kind of would love to redo them. 160 00:05:00,103 --> 00:05:00,303 Repy: Yes. 161 00:05:00,323 --> 00:05:02,773 Austyn: Um, so I don't know. 162 00:05:02,793 --> 00:05:05,043 I'm still very up in the air, and I feel- Or like- … like 163 00:05:05,043 --> 00:05:06,183 we're getting to crunch time 164 00:05:06,423 --> 00:05:11,403 … Repy: I always thought it would be funny if every Halloween, or like something 165 00:05:11,403 --> 00:05:15,363 like we're doing where you have multiple ways to dress up, you just dressed as 166 00:05:15,463 --> 00:05:20,453 not the hero of every scary movie, but the like slutty girl who dies first. 167 00:05:20,473 --> 00:05:20,853 Yes. 168 00:05:20,863 --> 00:05:21,773 Like, I just feel like- Oh, I 169 00:05:21,823 --> 00:05:22,153 Austyn: love 170 00:05:22,153 --> 00:05:25,143 Repy: that … that would be so funny to just be like the 171 00:05:25,143 --> 00:05:26,463 girl with big boobs who dies. 172 00:05:26,563 --> 00:05:26,963 Yes. 173 00:05:27,293 --> 00:05:29,033 Like that is your character arch every single time. 174 00:05:29,033 --> 00:05:29,593 Exactly. 175 00:05:30,553 --> 00:05:30,903 Austyn: Yeah. 176 00:05:31,253 --> 00:05:31,273 Repy: Ugh. 177 00:05:31,323 --> 00:05:32,313 Austyn: No, I would love that. 178 00:05:32,493 --> 00:05:34,723 But yeah, there's a lot of options. 179 00:05:34,803 --> 00:05:34,853 Repy: There is. 180 00:05:34,993 --> 00:05:39,383 Austyn: Ooh, see look, like they make a Greta the Gremlin mask, and 181 00:05:39,383 --> 00:05:42,303 it's like that would simplify things, but I feel like that's not as good. 182 00:05:42,463 --> 00:05:42,883 Repy: Yeah. 183 00:05:44,053 --> 00:05:44,713 Austyn: You know? 184 00:05:44,753 --> 00:05:46,433 Repy: Yeah, 'cause you- Like I would- … could just get a Furby 185 00:05:46,433 --> 00:05:48,589 suit and spray paint it green. 186 00:05:48,589 --> 00:05:48,841 Austyn: But I 187 00:05:48,841 --> 00:05:50,303 Repy: feel like- But like, mm. 188 00:05:50,443 --> 00:05:50,723 Austyn: Yes. 189 00:05:50,763 --> 00:05:55,077 I feel like I would get it and then cut the f- face out. 190 00:05:55,337 --> 00:05:55,597 Yeah. 191 00:05:55,597 --> 00:05:57,857 So I could do the makeup and then, you know? 192 00:05:57,867 --> 00:05:58,257 Repy: Yeah. 193 00:05:58,707 --> 00:06:01,417 Austyn: Because it has like the ears and everything on it. 194 00:06:02,227 --> 00:06:02,997 I don't know, man. 195 00:06:03,007 --> 00:06:03,717 It's a lot. 196 00:06:04,337 --> 00:06:05,757 It's a lot to do right. 197 00:06:05,947 --> 00:06:06,287 Repy: Yes. 198 00:06:06,297 --> 00:06:07,027 Austyn: That's the thing. 199 00:06:07,547 --> 00:06:14,292 So also there is a new, uh, TV show coming out that I wanted to 200 00:06:14,292 --> 00:06:17,742 mention because I am psyched for it. 201 00:06:17,742 --> 00:06:19,052 Let me see what it's called 202 00:06:19,532 --> 00:06:20,760 And I don't know if it's 203 00:06:23,290 --> 00:06:28,818 No, that's not what I am Sh- TV show. 204 00:06:28,908 --> 00:06:29,258 Okay. 205 00:06:29,288 --> 00:06:30,598 I'm, I wanna get the name right. 206 00:06:31,138 --> 00:06:31,795 Oh, okay. 207 00:06:32,045 --> 00:06:34,895 So it's called A Very Haunted Renovation. 208 00:06:34,905 --> 00:06:34,935 Okay. 209 00:06:35,895 --> 00:06:36,425 And it's on 210 00:06:37,935 --> 00:06:38,005 Repy: HGTV. 211 00:06:38,005 --> 00:06:38,865 Of course it is. 212 00:06:39,135 --> 00:06:41,525 Austyn: So Anna Camp from Pitch Perfect. 213 00:06:41,525 --> 00:06:41,885 Okay, 214 00:06:41,895 --> 00:06:42,375 Repy: yes. 215 00:06:42,375 --> 00:06:42,822 Austyn: She's amazing. 216 00:06:42,822 --> 00:06:48,235 Uh, so she, she hosts it, and it's, there are teams of designers that 217 00:06:48,235 --> 00:06:52,415 are tasked with transforming one of the most haunted houses in the US. 218 00:06:53,045 --> 00:06:53,615 Repy: Yes. 219 00:06:53,675 --> 00:06:58,070 Wait, have you seen Most Scariest Homes with Retta? 220 00:06:59,000 --> 00:06:59,070 Yes, 221 00:06:59,410 --> 00:07:01,600 Austyn: Yes America's Mo- yes. 222 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:01,890 Repy: Yes. 223 00:07:01,970 --> 00:07:02,680 Austyn: Yeah, this reminds me of that. 224 00:07:02,690 --> 00:07:05,940 Because she also does, like, the, yes, like the- 225 00:07:05,940 --> 00:07:07,230 Repy: America's Ugliest Homes, she does 226 00:07:07,410 --> 00:07:09,220 Austyn: as well … yes, she does Yeah. 227 00:07:09,220 --> 00:07:11,850 So this, so it airs on Tuesday. 228 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:12,570 Ooh. 229 00:07:12,580 --> 00:07:14,910 So it's on the 15th it airs. 230 00:07:14,930 --> 00:07:17,310 I am so excited for this. 231 00:07:17,310 --> 00:07:22,960 So

it's, follows six designers living in Beale Manor for 31 days 232 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:25,210 while com- completing a renovation. 233 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:29,340 They face elimination challenges, testing their nerve and design skills 234 00:07:29,370 --> 00:07:33,950 as they transform the haunted mansion spaces pursuing a $50,000 cash prize. 235 00:07:34,090 --> 00:07:35,430 Repy: Oh my God. 236 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:39,820 Austyn: Yes, and people who live in this area are like, 237 00:07:39,890 --> 00:07:42,460 "Yeah, that place is so scary." 238 00:07:42,890 --> 00:07:45,310 Repy: Oh my God, that sounds so good. 239 00:07:45,700 --> 00:07:47,880 Austyn: I cannot wait for it. 240 00:07:47,950 --> 00:07:52,490 I feel like that is the perfect introduction to spooky season. 241 00:07:52,750 --> 00:07:54,982 So that, yes, that airs on Tuesday. 242 00:07:55,182 --> 00:07:59,639 Yeah and then also there's a Friday the 13th origin TV show coming out from 243 00:07:59,839 --> 00:08:03,532 the- Yes … from the, um, the guy who made, like, Haunting of Hill House. 244 00:08:03,532 --> 00:08:04,392 Can't wait for that. 245 00:08:04,442 --> 00:08:04,802 Repy: Mm-hmm. 246 00:08:05,082 --> 00:08:05,252 That'll 247 00:08:05,252 --> 00:08:05,272 Austyn: be 248 00:08:05,272 --> 00:08:05,302 Repy: good. 249 00:08:05,302 --> 00:08:07,432 Austyn: So we have some good stuff coming up. 250 00:08:07,442 --> 00:08:12,106 Repy: Um, and Haunted Hotel season two comes out- October 9th. 251 00:08:12,406 --> 00:08:13,876 Austyn: Oh, I can't wait. 252 00:08:13,876 --> 00:08:13,976 So good. 253 00:08:13,976 --> 00:08:15,856 I love that show so much. 254 00:08:16,116 --> 00:08:16,316 Yes. 255 00:08:16,376 --> 00:08:17,809 Just such a perfect show. 256 00:08:18,039 --> 00:08:18,789 Repy: It really is. 257 00:08:18,839 --> 00:08:19,289 It has 258 00:08:19,289 --> 00:08:19,359 Austyn: everything. 259 00:08:19,359 --> 00:08:19,799 Yeah. 260 00:08:20,669 --> 00:08:21,149 I know. 261 00:08:21,159 --> 00:08:24,209 Well, and Emily dressed up as, uh, Abaddon last year, which- 262 00:08:24,209 --> 00:08:25,719 Oh, yes … perfect, perfect. 263 00:08:25,919 --> 00:08:26,039 Yeah. 264 00:08:26,139 --> 00:08:27,602 So we have a lot of great stuff. 265 00:08:27,612 --> 00:08:29,172 We're sliding into spooky season. 266 00:08:30,062 --> 00:08:32,222 Today is a true crime day. 267 00:08:32,542 --> 00:08:32,672 Yes. 268 00:08:32,722 --> 00:08:34,842 So shifting gears a little bit. 269 00:08:35,342 --> 00:08:42,398 And before we get into it, I wanted to discuss something that is a 270 00:08:42,398 --> 00:08:44,728 little bit close to home to us. 271 00:08:45,028 --> 00:08:45,910 Let me see. 272 00:08:46,270 --> 00:08:49,290 I'm trying to find the latest update. 273 00:08:49,620 --> 00:08:50,210 Repy: Mm. 274 00:08:51,270 --> 00:08:58,490 Austyn: Near our hometown, there was a murder that happened at the beginning 275 00:08:58,490 --> 00:09:07,040 of June, and it, for a while they were not releasing the name of the victim 276 00:09:07,470 --> 00:09:14,270 All they said was that someone had been killed in a house in Chester, New Jersey. 277 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:15,260 Right. 278 00:09:15,590 --> 00:09:20,580 So people were kind of like, "What is going on?" And then it kind of faded away. 279 00:09:20,580 --> 00:09:26,010 And then about a month later, they released the identity of the victim. 280 00:09:26,910 --> 00:09:36,500 So we now know that the victim was 30 s- 35 year old, I think 281 00:09:36,500 --> 00:09:39,278 she was 35 Brooke Hanlon. 282 00:09:39,748 --> 00:09:46,816 So Brooke Hanlon Was a new mother 283 00:09:46,926 --> 00:09:47,236 Repy: Mm-hmm 284 00:09:47,256 --> 00:09:50,916 Austyn: Her daughter was born less than a year before this happened. 285 00:09:51,356 --> 00:09:56,900 She was a psychotherapist in Bernardsville, New Jersey, and 286 00:09:57,350 --> 00:10:02,331 from what we can gather, she mainly treated kids, adolescents. 287 00:10:02,331 --> 00:10:07,551 I think maybe there was some family stuff, like she might have seen families. 288 00:10:07,671 --> 00:10:13,130 So what happened was she was at her home in Chester, which is 289 00:10:13,130 --> 00:10:14,270 right next to where we grew up. 290 00:10:14,270 --> 00:10:15,810 We're very- Yeah … familiar with Chester. 291 00:10:16,140 --> 00:10:18,760 That was, if you wanted to go to the movies, that was where you 292 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:19,930 went when we were kids- Mm-hmm 293 00:10:19,940 --> 00:10:23,710 because, uh, we were far away from every- everywhere else. 294 00:10:23,890 --> 00:10:25,120 This was on June 6th. 295 00:10:25,220 --> 00:10:29,936 They lived in this really nice house on this very peaceful street in Chester. 296 00:10:30,076 --> 00:10:30,236 Yeah. 297 00:10:30,336 --> 00:10:35,420 And the house is interesting because what you would consider the first 298 00:10:35,420 --> 00:10:38,330 floor is not like the living floor. 299 00:10:38,410 --> 00:10:42,160 It's the second floor was where I think everything was. 300 00:10:42,170 --> 00:10:46,280 The f- first floor was like the garage and kind of basement level. 301 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:47,080 Repy: Oh, okay. 302 00:10:47,090 --> 00:10:50,500 Austyn: And then you went upstairs to, like, where the kitchen 303 00:10:50,500 --> 00:10:51,600 was and all of that stuff. 304 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:59,050 So her husband, James Hanlon, who goes by his middle name, Connor, he 305 00:10:59,050 --> 00:11:00,940 was the one who called the police. 306 00:11:00,950 --> 00:11:06,710 So he made this 911 call to police around 4:30 in the afternoon, and 307 00:11:06,710 --> 00:11:11,498 he basically said, "I found my wife in a pool of blood." He said 308 00:11:11,638 --> 00:11:13,319 I need you guys here immediately. 309 00:11:13,319 --> 00:11:19,859 There's a laceration to her chest." And this 911 call has since been 310 00:11:19,859 --> 00:11:24,419 leaked, and in it he is frantic. 311 00:11:24,679 -->

00:11:27,388 Like, he is freaking out, which you think- Yeah, 312 00:11:27,388 --> 00:11:28,228 Repy: losing his mind. 313 00:11:28,658 --> 00:11:28,968 Austyn: Yeah. 314 00:11:28,968 --> 00:11:32,458 You think, okay, like, that's pretty- You know … understandable. 315 00:11:32,468 --> 00:11:33,978 Repy: Yeah, understandable in the moment. 316 00:11:33,988 --> 00:11:34,398 Sure. 317 00:11:34,538 --> 00:11:34,798 Austyn: Yes. 318 00:11:34,958 --> 00:11:40,671 And The call was described to the crews getting dispatch from the 319 00:11:40,671 --> 00:11:46,461 dispatcher as a suspected cardiac arrest, which doesn't make sense. 320 00:11:46,761 --> 00:11:47,001 Repy: Yeah. 321 00:11:47,031 --> 00:11:51,259 Austyn: But I think some of that might be that, like- This doesn't 322 00:11:51,269 --> 00:11:53,059 happen in Chester, New Jersey. 323 00:11:53,229 --> 00:11:53,609 Repy: Yeah. 324 00:11:53,619 --> 00:11:58,879 Austyn: Like, I think they may not have really even believed 325 00:11:59,039 --> 00:12:00,799 that this is what was happening. 326 00:12:00,809 --> 00:12:00,839 Right. 327 00:12:01,189 --> 00:12:06,869 So they just heard chest and put it in as, like, maybe a heart attack. 328 00:12:06,879 --> 00:12:08,469 Repy: Heart attack, and they fell. 329 00:12:08,489 --> 00:12:11,869 Maybe there's blood 'cause they hit their head when they fell or something. 330 00:12:11,869 --> 00:12:12,179 Like- 331 00:12:12,189 --> 00:12:12,639 Austyn: Yes 332 00:12:12,669 --> 00:12:15,929 … Repy: they're not assuming the worst because it never happens. 333 00:12:16,389 --> 00:12:17,089 Austyn: Exactly. 334 00:12:17,429 --> 00:12:20,219 So that's what it was sent in as. 335 00:12:20,259 --> 00:12:23,369 Obviously, help got there. 336 00:12:23,729 --> 00:12:27,309 Um, Conner had asked for CPR instructions. 337 00:12:27,529 --> 00:12:33,955 And it's, it, I think it's notable that he does not have 338 00:12:33,955 --> 00:12:35,635 any, like, medical background. 339 00:12:35,655 --> 00:12:35,875 Yeah. 340 00:12:35,885 --> 00:12:38,005 From what I found- Mm-hmm … he works in, like, construction. 341 00:12:38,065 --> 00:12:41,412 And that's why, like, the term laceration is a little weird to me. 342 00:12:41,412 --> 00:12:41,477 It's a 343 00:12:41,477 --> 00:12:42,817 Repy: little odd, yeah. 344 00:12:42,857 --> 00:12:43,337 Austyn: Yes. 345 00:12:43,397 --> 00:12:44,357 But like, who knows? 346 00:12:44,857 --> 00:12:48,367 Repy: No, like, devil's advocate, everyone watches fricking CSI nowadays. 347 00:12:48,397 --> 00:12:50,427 You know, we've seen- Exactly … every episode of Criminal Minds. 348 00:12:50,427 --> 00:12:54,595 So, like, maybe he's like, " "Oh, I know what the cops need to hear because I hear 349 00:12:54,595 --> 00:12:58,515 it all the time on…" You know, so he's like- Yes … "A laceration and- Yeah 350 00:12:58,535 --> 00:12:59,535 heart," or whatever. 351 00:12:59,545 --> 00:13:00,125 Mm-hmm. 352 00:13:00,135 --> 00:13:02,545 Um, but it is odd. 353 00:13:02,865 --> 00:13:04,995 Y- why not just- It's a little weird … say cut, right? 354 00:13:04,995 --> 00:13:05,465 Austyn: Yeah, 'cause 355 00:13:05,735 --> 00:13:07,075 Repy: I- Or stab wound or whatever 356 00:13:07,545 --> 00:13:10,965 … Austyn: I feel like if I was in that situation, I would be like, "Oh 357 00:13:10,965 --> 00:13:13,895 my God, she's been stabbed in the chest. Like, there's blood." Yeah. 358 00:13:13,905 --> 00:13:15,905 Like, like, I don't think I'd go to laceration. 359 00:13:15,905 --> 00:13:16,755 But who knows? 360 00:13:16,805 --> 00:13:18,155 Everyone reacts differently. 361 00:13:18,435 --> 00:13:18,455 Yeah. 362 00:13:18,745 --> 00:13:21,742 So what I've gathered from stuff online, which, like, take that with 363 00:13:21,742 --> 00:13:27,115 a grain of salt was that Conner had gone to the hardware store. 364 00:13:27,845 --> 00:13:27,965 Repy: Mm-hmm. 365 00:13:27,995 --> 00:13:31,545 Austyn: And when he came back, he found Brooke stabbed. 366 00:13:32,195 --> 00:13:32,415 Repy: Yeah. 367 00:13:32,485 --> 00:13:38,615 Austyn: So I mean, knowing the area a little bit, it seems like he hadn't 368 00:13:38,645 --> 00:13:41,225 been gone for that long because- Right 369 00:13:41,445 --> 00:13:43,605 things are, are fairly localized. 370 00:13:43,605 --> 00:13:43,915 Pretty close, yeah. 371 00:13:44,075 --> 00:13:44,135 Yes. 372 00:13:44,155 --> 00:13:50,928 So we're talking, like, maybe 20 minutes, 30 minutes- 30 373 00:13:50,988 --> 00:13:52,013 Repy: minutes if He's, like, browsing … yeah, yeah, have, you 374 00:13:52,013 --> 00:13:53,193 know- Yeah … ran into someone. 375 00:13:53,783 --> 00:13:54,523 Austyn: Exactly. 376 00:13:54,633 --> 00:13:57,423 So we're not talking a huge amount of time. 377 00:13:57,763 --> 00:13:59,539 Their daughter was in the home. 378 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:01,429 She was unharmed luckily. 379 00:14:01,569 --> 00:14:07,763 And the Morris County Medical Examiner's Office stated that there 380 00:14:07,763 --> 00:14:12,983 were multiple sharp force injuries and that the manner of death was homicide. 381 00:14:12,993 --> 00:14:13,013 Yeah. 382 00:14:13,023 --> 00:14:16,969 So there were multiple pretty much stab wounds- to the chest. 383 00:14:18,617 --> 00:14:25,647 People immediately were like, "How could this happen?" obviously, because 384 00:14:25,797 --> 00:14:27,297 again, this doesn't happen there. 385 00:14:27,437 --> 00:14:32,765 And obviously they were like, "The husband did it." 386 00:14:33,535 --> 00:14:33,805 Repy: Right. 387 00:14:34,425 --> 00:14:36,636 Austyn: Because, you know, we all know that statement, like 388 00:14:36,696 --> 00:14:38,200 you know, it's always the spouse. 389 00:14:38,370 --> 00:14:38,820 Repy: Yeah. 390 00:14:39,670 --> 00:14:43,740 Austyn: And then people were like, "Well, if it wasn't the spouse, maybe it was 391 00:14:43,740 --> 00:14:49,530 like a disgruntled patient or the parent of a patient." And my issue with that 392 00:14:49,570 -->

00:14:55,560 is how would they know that there was this window of time when they- Right 393 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:56,600 could break into the house? 394 00:14:56,870 --> 00:14:58,130 Like this pretty short 395 00:14:58,130 --> 00:14:58,580 Repy: window. 396 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:00,830 I mean, you'd have to be pretty lucky to just stumble upon that. 397 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:01,200 Like- 398 00:15:01,260 --> 00:15:05,740 Austyn: You would either have to be actively staking out the house- 399 00:15:05,820 --> 00:15:06,200 Repy: Yeah 400 00:15:06,370 --> 00:15:11,000 … Austyn: or know something about their routines- Yeah … or their plans, right? 401 00:15:11,220 --> 00:15:11,230 Yes. 402 00:15:11,300 --> 00:15:12,294 So that, that 403 00:15:12,444 --> 00:15:13,014 Repy: strikes me as odd. 404 00:15:13,014 --> 00:15:15,477 And also it's like, yeah, maybe the husband wouldn't know if there's a 405 00:15:15,477 --> 00:15:19,857 disgruntled patient or something, but normally someone else in the 406 00:15:20,727 --> 00:15:25,267 business she's working for would be aware that like, "Hey, this- Mm-hmm 407 00:15:25,527 --> 00:15:29,277 patient's dangerous," or, "Hey, the," like- Yeah … "I had to le- " you know. 408 00:15:29,277 --> 00:15:29,437 There's 409 00:15:29,447 --> 00:15:30,487 Austyn: some issue. 410 00:15:30,537 --> 00:15:32,457 Repy: Yeah … I had to stop seeing them 'cause they were 411 00:15:32,457 --> 00:15:33,757 inappropriate or whatever, 412 00:15:33,767 --> 00:15:34,367 Austyn: yeah. 413 00:15:34,767 --> 00:15:37,917 So there's all of that going on. 414 00:15:38,077 --> 00:15:45,129 And in the immediate aftermath, neighbors were trying to get in touch with Connor. 415 00:15:45,299 --> 00:15:46,809 He was not answering. 416 00:15:47,139 --> 00:15:52,026 They noted that his, uh, car was still in the driveway, so no one knew where 417 00:15:52,026 --> 00:15:54,046 he was and people were, like, concerned. 418 00:15:54,156 --> 00:15:54,516 Repy: Yeah. 419 00:15:54,616 --> 00:15:58,146 Austyn: And it appears that he actually went to Boston, where 420 00:15:58,156 --> 00:15:59,996 he's from, to stay with family. 421 00:16:00,846 --> 00:16:08,146 And then I think Brooke's sister posted something on her daughter's 422 00:16:08,556 --> 00:16:14,186 birthday, Brooke's daughter's birthday, her first birthday, about the child 423 00:16:14,206 --> 00:16:16,409 being with her for her first birthday. 424 00:16:16,420 --> 00:16:20,939 So- Right … it seems like Connor did not take their daughter with him to 425 00:16:20,939 --> 00:16:25,849 Boston- Mm-hmm … and that their daughter remained with the family in New Jersey. 426 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,429 And- Right … Brooke's father gave a statement. 427 00:16:29,439 --> 00:16:37,179 He's a lawyer, and he works kind of, like, as retained counsel for pharmaceutical 428 00:16:37,189 --> 00:16:38,369 companies, or at least he did. 429 00:16:38,370 --> 00:16:39,809 I think he might be retired now. 430 00:16:39,929 --> 00:16:44,040 He gave a statement basically saying, like, you know, "My daughter was this 431 00:16:44,070 --> 00:16:48,600 great person. She helped people. She loved kids." Just, you know, one of 432 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:51,750 those heartbreaking statements after something- Yeah … like this happens. 433 00:16:51,930 --> 00:16:56,298 But that triggered- Like this statement and looking into this and hearing 434 00:16:56,298 --> 00:16:59,848 about this triggered a memory- Mm-hmm 435 00:16:59,858 --> 00:17:00,898 for my dad. 436 00:17:00,908 --> 00:17:01,448 Mm-hmm. 437 00:17:01,458 --> 00:17:05,828 And he was like, "Wait, they lived down the street from 438 00:17:05,828 --> 00:17:07,508 us when you were a kid." Oh, 439 00:17:07,548 --> 00:17:08,278 Repy: yes. 440 00:17:09,048 --> 00:17:13,654 Austyn: So they lived on my street a couple houses down before Brooke was, 441 00:17:13,694 --> 00:17:15,394 her, before her last name was Hanlon. 442 00:17:15,594 --> 00:17:15,774 Mm-hmm. 443 00:17:15,894 --> 00:17:19,893 and So, you know, my dad, my parents knew her parents. 444 00:17:19,893 --> 00:17:22,543 We were very similar ages. 445 00:17:22,763 --> 00:17:22,943 Right. 446 00:17:23,003 --> 00:17:25,796 So we would do, like, neighborhood things together. 447 00:17:25,806 --> 00:17:25,946 Right. 448 00:17:25,946 --> 00:17:26,216 So like- 449 00:17:26,216 --> 00:17:26,826 Repy: Barbecues. 450 00:17:26,826 --> 00:17:27,026 H- yeah, 451 00:17:27,906 --> 00:17:31,376 Austyn: we had a H- like a Halloween parade every year that ended- … at 452 00:17:31,418 --> 00:17:33,408 the cul-de-sac right past her house. 453 00:17:33,648 --> 00:17:35,794 So like we, we played as kids. 454 00:17:36,034 --> 00:17:36,274 Right. 455 00:17:36,394 --> 00:17:38,340 And I don't really remember her. 456 00:17:38,790 --> 00:17:41,331 Like to be frank I really don't remember her. 457 00:17:41,601 --> 00:17:41,761 Repy: Mm-hmm. 458 00:17:41,771 --> 00:17:44,091 Austyn: Um, I remember her family's name. 459 00:17:44,591 --> 00:17:44,791 Yes. 460 00:17:44,791 --> 00:17:49,401 And I remember, like, my parents mentioning them and stuff like that, but 461 00:17:49,461 --> 00:17:53,810 they lived right down the street, like a couple houses down from me until I 462 00:17:53,810 --> 00:17:57,890 think, until like high school-ish for her. 463 00:17:58,130 --> 00:17:58,450 Mm-hmm. 464 00:17:58,690 --> 00:18:02,058 And we did not go to high school together because she went to a private school. 465 00:18:02,538 --> 00:18:02,828 Repy: Right. 466 00:18:03,418 --> 00:18:07,559 Austyn: So she was not in the public school, and I think they moved to 467 00:18:07,559 --> 00:18:09,969 Chester from Mendham at some point. 468 00:18:10,089 --> 00:18:12,708 So that was very weird to me. 469 00:18:12,708 --> 00:18:14,288 I was like, "That is so crazy-" 470 00:18:14,298 --> 00:18:14,578 Repy: That's, 471 00:18:14,748 --> 00:18:15,488 Austyn: yeah- … that like- 472 00:18:15,488 -->

00:18:15,818 Repy: That's wild. 473 00:18:16,728 --> 00:18:19,738 Austyn: Yeah, and again, like this doesn't happen. 474 00:18:20,408 --> 00:18:26,048 So- Right … like in this area, this very rarely happens, especially something 475 00:18:26,068 --> 00:18:31,398 th- like this which, you know, spoiler alert, no arrests have been made. 476 00:18:31,718 --> 00:18:31,988 Repy: Yeah. 477 00:18:32,088 --> 00:18:35,881 Austyn: There's, nothing has happened in this case since the day it happened. 478 00:18:36,181 --> 00:18:40,211 The Morris County Prosecutor's Office is asking for information. 479 00:18:40,211 --> 00:18:43,171 They set up a, a Crime Stoppers line about it 480 00:18:46,533 --> 00:18:47,043 Minnie. 481 00:18:47,753 --> 00:18:49,543 Repy: She broke the door open. 482 00:18:50,083 --> 00:18:50,913 Austyn: Oh my God. 483 00:18:50,973 --> 00:18:56,234 So yes, they're asking for information, which like to me is never a good sign. 484 00:18:56,334 --> 00:18:56,934 Repy: Yeah. 485 00:18:57,914 --> 00:19:03,334 Austyn: But what also gets me is that they're offering a $1,000 486 00:19:03,334 --> 00:19:07,734 reward, up to $1,000 reward, which like for this area is nothing. 487 00:19:07,994 --> 00:19:08,234 Repy: Nothing. 488 00:19:08,744 --> 00:19:08,944 I 489 00:19:08,944 --> 00:19:09,784 Austyn: mean- Yes 490 00:19:09,784 --> 00:19:12,274 … i- Like, this should be $100,000 reward. 491 00:19:12,274 --> 00:19:14,424 Repy: Yes that Is insane, $1,000. 492 00:19:14,454 --> 00:19:19,304 Austyn: Yes, 'cause this is a, an affluent suburb in New Jersey. 493 00:19:19,324 --> 00:19:22,504 Repy: That's like what kids get as a weekly allowance there. 494 00:19:22,504 --> 00:19:23,674 Austyn: Yeah, exactly. 495 00:19:23,684 --> 00:19:23,714 Repy: Like, 496 00:19:24,624 --> 00:19:25,032 Austyn: It's nothing. 497 00:19:25,042 --> 00:19:28,612 Like, that's not even the monthly taxes for a house. 498 00:19:28,662 --> 00:19:29,082 Repy: Yeah. 499 00:19:29,782 --> 00:19:33,632 Austyn: Like, I think my parents', like, monthly taxes 500 00:19:33,632 --> 00:19:35,062 for their house is six grand. 501 00:19:35,152 --> 00:19:35,452 Repy: Yeah. 502 00:19:35,532 --> 00:19:36,622 Austyn: Like that is nothing. 503 00:19:36,622 --> 00:19:44,492 So that in it of itself is like mind-boggling to me. 504 00:19:44,492 --> 00:19:50,082 So- That's going on, and then I just also, since I heard about this, was just 505 00:19:50,082 --> 00:19:54,782 thinking, like, the police department there is not equipped for this. 506 00:19:54,782 --> 00:19:54,912 No. 507 00:19:54,962 --> 00:19:59,252 Like, they do not know how to handle this, and that's not a knock against them. 508 00:19:59,772 --> 00:20:01,132 They've never had to. 509 00:20:01,492 --> 00:20:05,522 Repy: Yeah, they just don't… Like, when there are murders in this kind of 510 00:20:05,542 --> 00:20:10,852 area, it's almost always a wife against a husband or a husband against a wife, and 511 00:20:10,852 --> 00:20:13,342 it's almost always immediately solved. 512 00:20:13,652 --> 00:20:16,052 Like, it- Yes … like, the husband is still there standing 513 00:20:16,052 --> 00:20:17,302 over the body type stuff. 514 00:20:17,902 --> 00:20:18,392 Like- Mm-hmm 515 00:20:18,532 --> 00:20:23,052 those are really the only murders they've ever seen, and even that is, like, once 516 00:20:23,052 --> 00:20:25,242 in a while, maybe once every 10 years. 517 00:20:25,272 --> 00:20:25,632 Like- 518 00:20:25,742 --> 00:20:26,632 Austyn: Exactly. 519 00:20:26,772 --> 00:20:28,102 It's not like that. 520 00:20:28,102 --> 00:20:28,502 Yeah. 521 00:20:28,502 --> 00:20:33,782 So and I think people have been very critical of the investigation so far. 522 00:20:33,792 --> 00:20:36,912 Mm. And I think you kind of have to keep that in mind. 523 00:20:36,912 --> 00:20:40,872 I don't know how processing the scene went or anything like that. 524 00:20:40,872 --> 00:20:40,882 Right. 525 00:20:40,882 --> 00:20:44,842 I hope that they called in the county people to help. 526 00:20:44,842 --> 00:20:49,172 Mm. Because, again, no reason for these police officers to 527 00:20:49,172 --> 00:20:51,732 know w- how to handle this. 528 00:20:52,032 --> 00:20:56,192 Repy: But also, I bet you they destroyed some evidence just going 529 00:20:56,192 --> 00:20:57,842 in thinking it's a heart attack. 530 00:20:58,182 --> 00:20:58,332 Exactly. 531 00:20:58,332 --> 00:21:02,002 You immediately are grabbing for people, moving people, 'cause you're not thinking, 532 00:21:02,022 --> 00:21:05,372 "Oh, someone's been stabbed," even if you see blood, 'cause, like, okay, 533 00:21:05,372 --> 00:21:06,712 they hit their head when they fell. 534 00:21:06,712 --> 00:21:09,742 Like, people are- Yeah … bleeding all the time after heart attacks, so, like- 535 00:21:09,852 --> 00:21:10,642 Austyn: Exactly 536 00:21:10,822 --> 00:21:13,272 … Repy: they didn't go in- So it's- … thinking this is a stabbing. 537 00:21:13,822 --> 00:21:14,382 Austyn: Yes. 538 00:21:14,692 --> 00:21:22,772 So this thing is still ongoing, and my fear is that it becomes one of 539 00:21:22,772 --> 00:21:26,132 those things where it's like, well, everyone kind of knows who did it, 540 00:21:26,142 --> 00:21:28,202 but there just isn't enough evidence. 541 00:21:28,332 --> 00:21:28,822 Repy: Right. 542 00:21:29,182 --> 00:21:32,542 Austyn: And I'm sure we're waiting on DNA. 543 00:21:32,582 --> 00:21:35,842 I'm sure we're waiting on all of toxicology, all of that stuff, 544 00:21:36,322 --> 00:21:42,582 but it is just crazy to me that it seems like so little is being done. 545 00:21:42,722 --> 00:21:43,102 Repy: Yeah. 546 00:21:44,230 --> 00:21:48,720 Austyn: They had the funeral at Bailey, where- Mm … last time we were 547 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:50,520 there was for your grandma's funeral. 548 00:21:50,530 --> 00:21:51,090 Repy: Grandma, 549 00:21:51,090 --> 00:21:51,550 Austyn: yeah, 550 00:21:51,630 --> 00:21:53,870 Repy: and- They bury all of my

family. 551 00:21:54,180 --> 00:21:54,810 Austyn: They do. 552 00:21:54,810 --> 00:22:00,070 I I have been to that funeral home so many times- Yeah … in my life. 553 00:22:00,070 --> 00:22:00,970 Like, it's crazy. 554 00:22:00,970 --> 00:22:04,420 Like, you know, for classmates' parents and stuff like- Yeah … that. 555 00:22:04,740 --> 00:22:07,250 And obviously f- mostly for your family. 556 00:22:09,310 --> 00:22:10,060 Repy: Yeah, kinda. 557 00:22:10,060 --> 00:22:13,790 Austyn: But, like, seeing that posting from, like, the funeral 558 00:22:13,790 --> 00:22:15,500 home was, like, it's just so crazy. 559 00:22:15,500 --> 00:22:17,100 It's so- Yes … close to home. 560 00:22:17,100 --> 00:22:21,960 And just to think that we're at this standstill is wild. 561 00:22:21,990 --> 00:22:25,270 And I know stuff like h- this happens every single day, 562 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:27,480 but then I see, like- Not 563 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:28,020 Repy: here. 564 00:22:28,550 --> 00:22:33,030 Austyn: No, but then I see, like, TikTokers talking about it, and I'm like- 565 00:22:33,030 --> 00:22:33,320 Repy: Yeah 566 00:22:33,330 --> 00:22:35,050 … Austyn: this is nuts. 567 00:22:35,230 --> 00:22:35,630 Repy: Yeah. 568 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:39,270 It's nuts to- So- … even hear someone else talking about Chester, 569 00:22:39,270 --> 00:22:41,490 New Jersey, unless you're- Yeah 570 00:22:41,490 --> 00:22:42,010 from the area, 571 00:22:42,070 --> 00:22:42,540 Austyn: exactly. 572 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,010 No one talks about Chester. 573 00:22:44,010 --> 00:22:45,020 Who the fuck cares? 574 00:22:45,210 --> 00:22:45,240 Repy: I know. 575 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:45,540 Who cares? 576 00:22:46,740 --> 00:22:47,170 Austyn: Yeah. 577 00:22:47,170 --> 00:22:47,680 It's like- 578 00:22:47,770 --> 00:22:47,860 Repy: Chester sucks. 579 00:22:48,190 --> 00:22:48,910 Austyn: Exactly. 580 00:22:48,910 --> 00:22:51,540 Like, that's where we went for Chinese food as kids, like. 581 00:22:51,540 --> 00:22:51,790 Yeah, 582 00:22:51,790 --> 00:22:52,030 Repy: and then 583 00:22:52,030 --> 00:22:53,030 Austyn: they closed- Because we literally- 584 00:22:53,030 --> 00:22:53,170 … Repy: the movie theater. 585 00:22:53,170 --> 00:22:54,170 Fuck Chester. 586 00:22:54,250 --> 00:22:56,240 Austyn: Then, yeah, and then they closed the movie theater. 587 00:22:56,240 --> 00:23:01,760 Like, we, that was all we had to do Mm-hmm … was go to Chester. 588 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,700 Repy: And, and so you could get, like, our, like, Frappuccinos 589 00:23:05,710 --> 00:23:06,980 that had no coffee in them. 590 00:23:07,750 --> 00:23:08,110 Austyn: Yeah. 591 00:23:08,470 --> 00:23:13,610 And then also they had, like, the only two fast foods in the area. 592 00:23:13,820 --> 00:23:14,110 Oh, yes. 593 00:23:14,290 --> 00:23:14,560 Repy: Yeah. 594 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,230 Austyn: So they had a Burger King and a Wendy's. 595 00:23:16,230 --> 00:23:16,260 And a Wendy's. 596 00:23:16,260 --> 00:23:19,380 I knew so many people that worked at that Burger King in high school. 597 00:23:19,380 --> 00:23:19,780 Yeah. 598 00:23:19,780 --> 00:23:21,380 Our friend Ray worked there. 599 00:23:21,460 --> 00:23:21,760 Repy: Yeah. 600 00:23:21,910 --> 00:23:25,600 Austyn: Like, it was just the place you went to do anything. 601 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:25,610 Anything. 602 00:23:25,610 --> 00:23:30,190 Like, we Would go to the TJ Maxx and then go to the movies 603 00:23:30,190 --> 00:23:31,320 and then get Chinese food. 604 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,940 Like, that was- Yeah … what we did on the weekends, you know? 605 00:23:33,940 --> 00:23:34,340 Mm-hmm. 606 00:23:34,340 --> 00:23:36,270 Because the other option was Morristown. 607 00:23:36,270 --> 00:23:38,740 That had a lot of other stuff, but people thought it was dangerous. 608 00:23:39,190 --> 00:23:44,400 Repy: Yes, and also, like, you could go to Rockaway, which had the mall, 609 00:23:44,730 --> 00:23:46,370 but that's a wa- 30 minutes away. 610 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:47,380 Yeah, 30 minutes away, 611 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:47,800 Austyn: yes. 612 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:51,320 unless You're from the area, like, this is such niche shit. 613 00:23:51,530 --> 00:23:51,870 Repy: Yeah. 614 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:57,030 Austyn: But yeah, I mean, like, my parents looked at houses to buy on 615 00:23:57,030 --> 00:24:00,050 that road when I was- Yeah … an infant before they moved to Mendham. 616 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:05,780 Like, it's just so close to everything, and- Mm-hmm … also, like, this is 617 00:24:05,790 --> 00:24:09,820 someone who's around our age, who is literally in the same profession 618 00:24:09,820 --> 00:24:13,342 as me- who I played with as a child. 619 00:24:13,342 --> 00:24:13,712 Like- 620 00:24:13,832 --> 00:24:17,322 Repy: Who, like- It's crazy … has a similar upbringing, like family-wise. 621 00:24:17,322 --> 00:24:18,602 Austyn: Very similar, yeah. 622 00:24:18,602 --> 00:24:22,682 Repy: It like, yeah, it just is very like, remember, it could have been you. 623 00:24:22,752 --> 00:24:23,172 You know what I mean? 624 00:24:23,172 --> 00:24:23,202 Like- 625 00:24:23,202 --> 00:24:25,022 Austyn: Yeah, absolutely. 626 00:24:25,052 --> 00:24:29,432 And it's like maybe you just marry the wrong person- or maybe you 627 00:24:29,432 --> 00:24:33,492 treat the wrong person, or maybe someone is just in the area- Yeah 628 00:24:33,502 --> 00:24:34,152 and is like, cool. 629 00:24:34,382 --> 00:24:38,852 Repy: There is a chance, right, that someone was just a stalker, had nothing 630 00:24:38,852 --> 00:24:41,156 to do- with anything we, they spoke about. 631 00:24:41,336 --> 00:24:42,706 Just a random stalker. 632 00:24:43,196 --> 00:24:43,276 Exactly. 633 00:24:43,416 --> 00:24:46,626 He saw his opportunity and took it, 'cause men are creeps. 634 00:24:47,206 --> 00:24:50,136 Austyn: Well, and also it's like it could be someone she went to high school with. 635

00:24:50,416 --> 00:24:50,666 Repy: Right. 636 00:24:50,686 --> 00:24:51,966 Austyn: People stay in that area. 637 00:24:51,976 --> 00:24:53,596 Like, who knows? 638 00:24:53,606 --> 00:24:53,626 Yeah. 639 00:24:53,706 --> 00:24:55,196 Who knows what was going on? 640 00:24:55,546 --> 00:24:58,446 But we have no answers, and it's been months. 641 00:24:58,976 --> 00:25:02,146 So I'm trying to keep up on that. 642 00:25:02,396 --> 00:25:06,636 Again, listen, if anyone knows anything or has information- 643 00:25:07,226 --> 00:25:07,516 Repy: Yeah 644 00:25:07,556 --> 00:25:08,966 … Austyn: call the hotline, man. 645 00:25:09,006 --> 00:25:09,560 It's literally- You could 646 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,710 Repy: get $1,000. 647 00:25:11,710 --> 00:25:12,409 Austyn: You get up to- Which is a lot- 648 00:25:12,409 --> 00:25:13,730 $1,000 649 00:25:13,830 --> 00:25:15,740 … Repy: for people who don't live in the area. 650 00:25:16,020 --> 00:25:16,610 Austyn: Yes. 651 00:25:16,660 --> 00:25:21,030 But you literally just have to call 973-COP-CALL. 652 00:25:23,500 --> 00:25:24,670 Which is also wild- 653 00:25:24,730 --> 00:25:26,990 Repy: And no one wants to call that line. 654 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:27,280 Austyn: No. 655 00:25:27,380 --> 00:25:27,860 COP-CALL. 656 00:25:27,923 --> 00:25:31,353 Also, are we done with the having it be letters? 657 00:25:31,363 --> 00:25:32,103 It's numbers. 658 00:25:32,103 --> 00:25:33,233 Just say the numbers. 659 00:25:33,243 --> 00:25:35,423 Yeah, like- No one has the clicky phone anymore. 660 00:25:35,473 --> 00:25:36,053 Repy: Yeah. 661 00:25:36,933 --> 00:25:37,093 Austyn: Yeah. 662 00:25:37,273 --> 00:25:40,571 So Yeah, a horrific tragedy. 663 00:25:40,971 --> 00:25:41,421 Repy: Mm-hmm. 664 00:25:41,931 --> 00:25:42,711 Austyn: Brand new mother. 665 00:25:42,711 --> 00:25:47,801 Now her daughter has to grow up without her mom, which is completely fucked up. 666 00:25:48,221 --> 00:25:49,741 Repy: And potentially- Um … without her dad. 667 00:25:50,751 --> 00:25:51,891 Austyn: Potentially without her dad. 668 00:25:51,891 --> 00:25:52,431 We'll see. 669 00:25:52,631 --> 00:25:58,267 Oh, now I'm seeing someone… Oh, so now, okay, as of six days 670 00:25:58,267 --> 00:26:01,657 ago, Connor broke his silence. 671 00:26:01,947 --> 00:26:02,227 Repy: Oh. 672 00:26:02,327 --> 00:26:04,967 Austyn: He says that this is a tragedy. 673 00:26:04,977 --> 00:26:07,407 He denied any involvement. 674 00:26:07,787 --> 00:26:09,735 Yeah, I mean 675 00:26:11,785 --> 00:26:13,515 For now, no suspect. 676 00:26:14,015 --> 00:26:15,545 There's no suspects. 677 00:26:16,235 --> 00:26:17,115 That's what they say. 678 00:26:18,385 --> 00:26:21,425 Repy: Well, thank God he broke his silence for fucking nothing. 679 00:26:21,675 --> 00:26:23,775 Austyn: I know, just to be like, "It wasn't me." 680 00:26:24,735 --> 00:26:26,035 Repy: And it was a tragedy. 681 00:26:26,055 --> 00:26:28,500 It's like, thanks, we all fucking knew it was a

tragedy- Yeah … whether 682 00:26:28,500 --> 00:26:29,425 you spoke or not, buddy. 683 00:26:29,855 --> 00:26:30,655 Austyn: Exactly. 684 00:26:30,685 --> 00:26:33,325 It's like, no, we were all thinking that you were happy about it. 685 00:26:33,335 --> 00:26:33,685 Repy: Yeah, 686 00:26:33,735 --> 00:26:34,655 Austyn: Like, okay. 687 00:26:34,775 --> 00:26:35,461 So yeah. 688 00:26:36,391 --> 00:26:37,761 Horrific case. 689 00:26:38,091 --> 00:26:42,291 Um- Yes … so we'll see if there's any updates about that. 690 00:26:43,431 --> 00:26:46,591 Either way, we just hope something comes out of it. 691 00:26:46,591 --> 00:26:46,951 Yeah. 692 00:26:46,961 --> 00:26:50,531 Because right now- Some answers … it's kind of unacceptable. 693 00:26:50,631 --> 00:26:53,644 But today we are talking about solved cold cases. 694 00:26:53,664 --> 00:26:54,634 We're going from an- Yay 695 00:26:54,634 --> 00:26:58,764 unsolved hot case to solved cold cases. 696 00:26:58,944 --> 00:27:02,707 I believe you go first- Ooh, okay … this time. 697 00:27:02,867 --> 00:27:04,342 So- Who's to say? 698 00:27:04,652 --> 00:27:05,412 Let's get into it. 699 00:27:05,412 --> 00:27:06,422 Yeah, who is to say? 700 00:27:06,582 --> 00:27:06,932 Repy: Yeah. 701 00:27:08,042 --> 00:27:13,449 Okay, I Am gonna talk today about ch- a baby named Chelsea Jane Doe, okay? 702 00:27:13,739 --> 00:27:13,829 Okay. 703 00:27:13,829 --> 00:27:14,559 Not really a baby. 704 00:27:14,589 --> 00:27:15,479 Well, we'll get into it. 705 00:27:15,839 --> 00:27:21,130 For over 25 years, investigators in Massachusetts had this case 706 00:27:21,230 --> 00:27:22,490 that they could not solve. 707 00:27:22,770 --> 00:27:26,959 It was that of a young woman who had been brutally murdered, but nobody 708 00:27:26,959 --> 00:27:34,969 knew her name and, uh, she was named Chelsea Jane Doe because she was 709 00:27:34,969 --> 00:27:36,629 found in Chelsea, Massachusetts. 710 00:27:36,709 --> 00:27:37,119 Austyn: Mm-hmm. 711 00:27:41,379 --> 00:27:41,649 Repy: Okay. 712 00:27:43,569 --> 00:27:50,219 So on November 13th, 2000, police find the remains of an unidentified young 713 00:27:50,219 --> 00:27:56,879 woman at Soldiers Home in Chelsea, which is like a, like a place that 714 00:27:56,879 --> 00:27:58,859 serves vet- veterans like a, um- 715 00:27:59,519 --> 00:28:01,440 … Not like a Lions Club. 716 00:28:02,310 --> 00:28:04,050 Austyn: Oh, like a, a VFW? 717 00:28:04,310 --> 00:28:06,320 Repy: Yes, like a VFW- Okay … type thing. 718 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:10,499 The victim, it was clear, had suffered extreme violence. 719 00:28:10,499 --> 00:28:15,443 They said her body had been dismembered and her head and hands were missing. 720 00:28:15,523 --> 00:28:19,026 So they didn't know who she was and they didn't have any, obviously, 721 00:28:19,026 --> 00:28:20,386 fingerprints or anything like that. 722 00:28:20,466 --> 00:28:22,600 So they dubbed her the Chelsea Jane Doe. 723 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:27,537 So

immediately, obviously, this begins a major investigation involving 724 00:28:27,537 --> 00:28:29,567 local and state police officers. 725 00:28:30,187 --> 00:28:30,387 Austyn: Yeah. 726 00:28:32,185 --> 00:28:32,245 Repy: Here. 727 00:28:32,345 --> 00:28:35,951 So They searched for as many clues as they possibly could. 728 00:28:35,951 --> 00:28:37,221 They combed the area. 729 00:28:37,341 --> 00:28:41,903 They even, like, some people said they dug out part of the 730 00:28:44,211 --> 00:28:46,711 like parking lot around the sides of the parking lot to see 731 00:28:46,711 --> 00:28:47,941 if there was anything in there. 732 00:28:48,121 --> 00:28:51,536 But eventually investigators realized they weren't gonna 733 00:28:51,546 --> 00:28:53,896 find anything at that location. 734 00:28:54,156 --> 00:28:58,724 But they did eventually find additional remains at a place called Na- 735 00:29:00,334 --> 00:29:04,774 Nahant Beach, N-A-H-A-N-T, Nahant- 736 00:29:04,994 --> 00:29:05,434 … Beach. 737 00:29:05,644 --> 00:29:05,934 Um, so- Or 738 00:29:05,934 --> 00:29:06,864 Austyn: Nahant. 739 00:29:06,934 --> 00:29:08,344 Repy: Or Nahant, yeah. 740 00:29:08,404 --> 00:29:08,824 Austyn: Okay. 741 00:29:09,324 --> 00:29:12,544 Repy: The victim's head and hands had been buried in the sand. 742 00:29:12,564 --> 00:29:16,300 And the discovery provided investigators with obviously additional 743 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:21,981 evidence but really they couldn't determine the identity still. 744 00:29:21,991 --> 00:29:22,461 Austyn: Mm-hmm. 745 00:29:22,641 --> 00:29:28,721 Repy: Obviously at this point it had been a pretty long time and she had been buried 746 00:29:28,721 --> 00:29:33,011 in sand, so you can imagine- Yeah … the remains were probably not in great shape. 747 00:29:33,171 --> 00:29:40,268 Okay, so for years they have no idea who this woman even is, what 748 00:29:40,268 --> 00:29:46,204 happened to her, where she was from, , years later, in February of 2005- 749 00:29:46,924 --> 00:29:47,184 Austyn: Mm-hmm 750 00:29:47,184 --> 00:29:51,044 … Repy: investigators stumble upon a man named Eugene McCollum 751 00:29:51,394 --> 00:29:52,824 from Lynn, Massachusetts. 752 00:29:53,404 --> 00:30:01,911 So he had met… He had been arrested for basically soliciting unidentified 753 00:30:02,521 --> 00:30:04,681 and underage teen- teenagers. 754 00:30:05,271 --> 00:30:05,871 Austyn: Yikes. 755 00:30:06,321 --> 00:30:10,931 Repy: In Lynn, in specifically the YMCA there, apparently. 756 00:30:10,941 --> 00:30:12,191 It said that several times. 757 00:30:12,811 --> 00:30:12,921 Okay. 758 00:30:13,561 --> 00:30:14,901 Austyn: Y- again, yikes. 759 00:30:14,931 --> 00:30:16,531 Repy: Bad publicity for the old YMCA. 760 00:30:17,581 --> 00:30:18,481 Austyn: Yes. 761 00:30:19,351 --> 00:30:22,811 Repy: So in 2005, he pleaded guilty for that case. 762 00:30:23,051 --> 00:30:31,209 And that is, so basically he pleaded guilty to, and like agreed to 763 00:30:31,219 -->

00:30:35,079 tell them about other women he'd killed for like a lighter sentence. 764 00:30:35,789 --> 00:30:36,209 Austyn: Okay. 765 00:30:36,399 --> 00:30:40,052 Repy: So eventually he directed investigators to a location where he had 766 00:30:40,062 --> 00:30:44,396 buried a victim's head and other body parts and it turned out to be that beach. 767 00:30:44,416 --> 00:30:45,906 So they kinda put it together. 768 00:30:45,916 --> 00:30:45,926 Austyn: Oh. 769 00:30:46,726 --> 00:30:52,786 Repy: But McCollum had said that the woman was a, and this is his words not 770 00:30:52,786 --> 00:30:58,216 mine, a prostitute in the area, so that he didn't know like who she was, what 771 00:30:58,246 --> 00:31:00,356 her age was, where she was from, right? 772 00:31:01,106 --> 00:31:01,576 Austyn: Mm-hmm. 773 00:31:01,946 --> 00:31:06,676 Repy: And this is where it gets kinda like shitty. 774 00:31:08,906 --> 00:31:09,896 Soda burps. 775 00:31:10,446 --> 00:31:10,776 Okay. 776 00:31:11,156 --> 00:31:14,378 Because after everyone finds out that this body probably 777 00:31:14,378 --> 00:31:17,158 belonged to that of a sex worker- 778 00:31:17,638 --> 00:31:18,158 Austyn: Mm-hmm 779 00:31:18,268 --> 00:31:20,868 Repy: a bunch of stories come out, and they're posting this everywhere. 780 00:31:21,008 --> 00:31:23,610 And people start to care less, right? 781 00:31:23,620 --> 00:31:24,080 Austyn: Mm-hmm. 782 00:31:24,180 --> 00:31:29,890 Repy: So this one article talks about this 2023 study conducted by the CSE 783 00:31:30,030 --> 00:31:37,100 Institute and published in Villanova Law, which talks about how 468 news 784 00:31:37,110 --> 00:31:42,988 articles found that how the media portrays commercial sexual exploitations 785 00:31:44,198 --> 00:31:50,718 and how much the audience cares for the, that case go hand-in-hand. 786 00:31:50,718 --> 00:31:51,218 Mm-hmm. 787 00:31:51,288 --> 00:31:51,558 Right? 788 00:31:51,558 --> 00:31:51,858 So- 789 00:31:52,448 --> 00:31:52,898 Austyn: Yeah 790 00:31:55,646 --> 00:32:02,166 Repy: In 82% of cases, the media minimalized violence against people 791 00:32:02,166 --> 00:32:05,306 who were deemed sex workers, right? 792 00:32:05,306 --> 00:32:12,376 So it's like, and this is gonna sound blunt, but it's like, oh, a 16-year-old 793 00:32:13,226 --> 00:32:19,526 teenager, you know, cheerleader from high school was raped and murdered. 794 00:32:19,556 --> 00:32:21,416 Everyone's horrified, right? 795 00:32:21,426 --> 00:32:21,786 Austyn: Yeah. 796 00:32:22,166 --> 00:32:26,886 Repy: A sex worker is raped and murdered, and they go, "Well, she was a sex worker" 797 00:32:27,346 --> 00:32:27,756 Austyn: Yeah. 798 00:32:28,166 --> 00:32:28,596 Repy: You know? 799 00:32:28,606 --> 00:32:28,946 Austyn: Mm-hmm. 800 00:32:29,166 --> 00:32:29,256 Repy: And like- 801 00:32:29,256 --> 00:32:31,686 Austyn: Yeah, like we've talked about the less dead. 802 00:32:31,746 --> 00:32:32,456 Repy: Yes. 803 00:32:32,706 --> 00:32:32,996 Austyn: Yeah. 804 00:32:33,056 --> 00:32:37,416 Repy: The other part of this problem is when they deemed it a sex worker, 805 00:32:37,436 --> 00:32:42,696 and this is coming from a person who had killed multiple people, so he could 806 00:32:42,706 --> 00:32:44,406 be getting people confused, right? 807 00:32:44,436 --> 00:32:44,856 Austyn: Yeah. 808 00:32:44,876 --> 00:32:46,136 Repy: He could also just be lying. 809 00:32:47,296 --> 00:32:54,006 But they basically put in the records that they had that she was, I think, between 810 00:32:54,006 --> 00:32:58,026 the ages of 20 and 25, and a sex worker, 811 00:32:58,326 --> 00:32:58,606 Austyn: right? 812 00:32:58,776 --> 00:32:59,216 Okay. 813 00:32:59,636 --> 00:33:03,946 Repy: Well now, if anyone is looking for someone who doesn't fit that 814 00:33:03,946 --> 00:33:07,836 description, who wasn't a sex worker, they're not looking in that file. 815 00:33:07,846 --> 00:33:07,946 They're not gonna. 816 00:33:08,576 --> 00:33:08,826 Austyn: Yes. 817 00:33:08,856 --> 00:33:09,096 Right? 818 00:33:09,956 --> 00:33:16,666 Repy: So now we're gonna go to a woman named Tiffany Bradley, okay? 819 00:33:16,676 --> 00:33:16,716 Mm-hmm. 820 00:33:17,246 --> 00:33:19,026 A girl named Tiffany Bradley. 821 00:33:19,586 --> 00:33:24,523 Tiffany Bradley was from Allentown, Pennsylvania, and she was 16 years old 822 00:33:24,523 --> 00:33:26,723 when she disappeared in November of 2000. 823 00:33:27,423 --> 00:33:27,763 Austyn: Mm-hmm. 824 00:33:27,763 --> 00:33:33,773 Repy: Only days before her 17th birthday, and five days before the body was found. 825 00:33:34,233 --> 00:33:37,754 Her family reported her missing on November 8th of 2000. 826 00:33:38,504 --> 00:33:44,434 According to her family, Tiffany was athletic, she loved basketball, she 827 00:33:44,434 --> 00:33:50,274 was in JROTC, she loved to draw and dance, and all of her friends remember 828 00:33:50,274 --> 00:33:52,534 her as being loving and joyful. 829 00:33:52,794 --> 00:33:58,542 So when she disappeared, her family sent, spent like obviously 830 00:33:58,662 --> 00:34:00,332 years looking for her, right? 831 00:34:00,332 --> 00:34:02,432 They contacted other states. 832 00:34:02,552 --> 00:34:07,787 They put out like reward offerings and things like that, looking 833 00:34:07,787 --> 00:34:14,117 for her age, you know, a Black teenager- Mm-hmm … from the area. 834 00:34:14,537 --> 00:34:22,151 One of Tiffany's best friends, Helen Maria Rivera remembers last speaking to Tiffany. 835 00:34:22,231 --> 00:34:26,571 She said she used to speak with a slight lisp that kind of curled 836 00:34:26,571 --> 00:34:28,051 around the words she spoke. 837 00:34:28,251 --> 00:34:28,571 Mm-hmm. 838 00:34:28,671 --> 00:34:31,714 Sh- she said, "I would always call her Birdie, 'cause she sounded like 839 00:34:31,714 --> 00:34:33,414 a bird when she would speak." Aw. 840 00:34:33,424 --> 00:34:36,284 "And I would say, 'Okay, Birdie,' and she would call me

Pocahontas, 841 00:34:36,304 --> 00:34:38,074 'cause my hair was long." 842 00:34:38,844 --> 00:34:39,124 Austyn: Aw. 843 00:34:40,344 --> 00:34:42,794 Such, like, child stuff to do. 844 00:34:42,944 --> 00:34:43,184 Repy: Yes. 845 00:34:43,284 --> 00:34:47,594 They Grew up together, and even though they attended different middle schools, 846 00:34:48,074 --> 00:34:51,784 they remained friends until they started attending the same high school. 847 00:34:51,944 --> 00:34:57,460 And they would walk to school every day together with Bradley's brother, Stefan. 848 00:34:58,130 --> 00:35:02,960 And then one morning, she says Stefan came out to meet her to walk to school, 849 00:35:03,350 --> 00:35:08,203 and she asked where sh- Tiff was, and he said, "She's just not here. 850 00:35:08,213 --> 00:35:14,693 She's gone, done run away." Because when Tiffany first went missing, the police 851 00:35:14,693 --> 00:35:17,033 were convinced that she had run away. 852 00:35:17,873 --> 00:35:18,203 Austyn: Mm-hmm. 853 00:35:18,203 --> 00:35:22,014 Repy: Even though all of this stuff everyone was saying all of this stuff. 854 00:35:22,024 --> 00:35:24,554 She was a great athlete. 855 00:35:24,584 --> 00:35:25,394 She loved her life. 856 00:35:25,394 --> 00:35:26,474 She had lots of friends. 857 00:35:26,854 --> 00:35:28,514 She was in JROTC. 858 00:35:28,524 --> 00:35:29,754 She was on sports. 859 00:35:29,764 --> 00:35:29,794 Okay. 860 00:35:29,804 --> 00:35:34,424 Like… And they were just like, "Yeah, but you know kids. Like, don't worry about 861 00:35:34,424 --> 00:35:37,994 it. I bet in a few days she'll come back," was basically what the police told them. 862 00:35:38,664 --> 00:35:39,124 Austyn: Mm-hmm. 863 00:35:40,998 --> 00:35:47,258 Repy: she also was very close to her cousin, who was named Big Tiff 864 00:35:47,278 --> 00:35:48,418 'cause they were both Tiffany. 865 00:35:48,678 --> 00:35:51,883 And so she was always called Little Tiff by her family and stuff. 866 00:35:52,203 --> 00:35:56,596 So Tiffany lived in Colorado, but they always spoke on the phone all the time. 867 00:35:57,156 --> 00:35:57,556 Um- 868 00:35:57,566 --> 00:35:58,796 Austyn: Mm-hmm. 869 00:35:58,806 --> 00:36:03,758 Repy: She says that Tiffany was smart, she was great at sports, great in at 870 00:36:03,789 --> 00:36:07,139 basketball, and she saw her every summer. 871 00:36:07,819 --> 00:36:10,809 And when they were younger, she used to babysit her, and she said 872 00:36:10,819 --> 00:36:15,019 that she was, you know, your typical teenager: loving, outgoing, and sporty. 873 00:36:15,029 --> 00:36:16,369 She wouldn't just run away. 874 00:36:16,489 --> 00:36:16,499 Okay? 875 00:36:16,529 --> 00:36:20,322 So when she disappeared, like I said, the police kinda said, 876 00:36:20,322 --> 00:36:22,392 like, she probably ran away. 877 00:36:22,462 --> 00:36:26,003 When it became clearer that she hadn't just run away that something had 878 00:36:26,013 --> 00:36:30,233 happened, the police kinda doubled down and was like, "Well, you know, 879 00:36:30,233 --> 00:36:34,483 maybe she was unhappy and she doesn't wanna come back, you know, and that's 880 00:36:34,483 --> 00:36:35,743 why you're not hearing from her. 881 00:36:35,783 --> 00:36:39,023 Like, maybe she's not gonna just come back in a few day like a typical runaway. 882 00:36:39,023 --> 00:36:41,083 Maybe she was sad," whatever. 883 00:36:41,483 --> 00:36:44,711 And all of her friends say none of this was true. 884 00:36:44,871 --> 00:36:48,941 They say it didn't make any sense that she would be so unhappy that she would 885 00:36:48,941 --> 00:36:50,801 run away and not tell her family. 886 00:36:51,391 --> 00:36:51,651 Um- 887 00:36:51,651 --> 00:36:52,001 Austyn: Yeah 888 00:36:53,511 --> 00:36:58,451 … Repy: her one friend says that she used to tell Tiffany all the time about how, 889 00:36:58,451 --> 00:37:03,011 like, her family was abusive and her family was horrible, and Tiffany always, 890 00:37:03,011 --> 00:37:07,113 like, listened and always would just talk about how she was lucky to have 891 00:37:07,123 --> 00:37:09,323 the family she has and stuff like that. 892 00:37:09,813 --> 00:37:16,193 So it didn't really seem like she was so unhappy that she would wanna just leave. 893 00:37:16,923 --> 00:37:17,323 Austyn: Yeah. 894 00:37:18,403 --> 00:37:18,533 Repy: Ba. 895 00:37:27,025 --> 00:37:31,179 Oh, so Tiffany's big Tiff, not little Tiff, sister- 896 00:37:31,199 --> 00:37:31,709 Austyn: Yes 897 00:37:31,929 --> 00:37:37,559 … Repy: shakira also told, spoke at a conference later, years after this crime 898 00:37:37,559 --> 00:37:42,197 had been committed, and said that th- when they would ask the police for more help, 899 00:37:42,247 --> 00:37:46,757 like they would ask, they would go to New York and Philadelphia and stuff, they 900 00:37:46,837 --> 00:37:52,577 said that, like they basically just were like, "You're not gonna find anything. 901 00:37:52,587 --> 00:37:56,057 She ran away." They were also just as equally unhelpful. 902 00:37:56,177 --> 00:38:01,598 And then not long after she disappeared, both of her parents died. 903 00:38:02,208 --> 00:38:02,398 Mm-hmm. 904 00:38:02,398 --> 00:38:03,688 And I don't know how. 905 00:38:03,848 --> 00:38:06,498 W- I couldn't find like was it a car accident? 906 00:38:06,498 --> 00:38:07,628 Were they both sick? 907 00:38:08,288 --> 00:38:11,238 It just says that shortly after, both her parents died. 908 00:38:11,298 --> 00:38:13,228 Austyn: Like at the same time? 909 00:38:14,518 --> 00:38:15,638 Repy: I can't find any information on it. 910 00:38:15,638 --> 00:38:15,998 Okay. 911 00:38:16,308 --> 00:38:16,328 Yeah. 912 00:38:16,388 --> 00:38:16,728 Austyn: Gotcha. 913 00:38:16,748 --> 00:38:20,188 So we just know around this time- Yeah … both her parents died. 914 00:38:20,188 --> 00:38:23,448 Repy: I know it was both- Okay … in the same year because one of them 915 00:38:23,448 --> 00:38:25,988

had their, it, like their death year. 916 00:38:26,668 --> 00:38:27,088 Austyn: Oh, okay. 917 00:38:27,098 --> 00:38:30,448 Repy: Like, you know, it told me- Mm-hmm … the years they d- were born and died. 918 00:38:30,868 --> 00:38:30,878 Yeah. 919 00:38:30,888 --> 00:38:31,028 But 920 00:38:31,195 --> 00:38:36,112 Oh, so there was also this phone call, though, before Bradley had disappeared. 921 00:38:36,112 --> 00:38:40,702 She had made a phone call to one of her cousins, right? 922 00:38:42,102 --> 00:38:46,542 And they believe that it might have been Bradley's last cry for help. 923 00:38:46,732 --> 00:38:53,638 They said that she had been manipulated and taken away from us, and she just said, 924 00:38:54,128 --> 00:38:59,558 she said, "I feel like that last phone call she had, it was her trying to tell us 925 00:38:59,558 --> 00:39:03,338 code for something, to speak and say, 'I need help,' but she couldn't just say it." 926 00:39:03,598 --> 00:39:11,128 So basically she's saying, now looking back, that it seemed like maybe Tiffany 927 00:39:11,128 --> 00:39:14,438 was calling her cousin somewhere else and being like, "Please come help me." 928 00:39:14,558 --> 00:39:18,801 But nothing else seems to substantiate the fact, like, that actually 929 00:39:18,801 --> 00:39:20,651 happened, that phone call took place. 930 00:39:20,691 --> 00:39:21,461 We don't know. 931 00:39:22,131 --> 00:39:22,291 Right? 932 00:39:22,631 --> 00:39:22,811 Okay. 933 00:39:23,103 --> 00:39:28,830 So years later, investigators determine that Tiffany was the missing body 934 00:39:29,700 --> 00:39:31,540 found all the way in Massachusetts. 935 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:37,651 They used DNA sequencing to lead to her brother, James, who was 936 00:39:37,651 --> 00:39:39,621 in a Texas prison at the time. 937 00:39:39,881 --> 00:39:47,879 And they determined that she had been trafficked all the way from Philadelphia 938 00:39:47,879 --> 00:39:50,239 to the Boston area in Massachusetts. 939 00:39:50,869 --> 00:39:51,549 Austyn: Okay. 940 00:39:51,819 --> 00:39:52,199 Repy: Yeah. 941 00:39:53,129 --> 00:39:53,609 Now- 942 00:39:56,049 --> 00:40:02,679 The family hears this and is kind of furious because after years of looking for 943 00:40:02,929 --> 00:40:11,539 their child, their sibling, their whoever, they match it to a body who so doesn't fit 944 00:40:11,789 --> 00:40:13,909 the description of what this teenager was. 945 00:40:14,249 --> 00:40:18,115 And they just keep wondering, like, "Why was she so far away from home? 946 00:40:18,335 --> 00:40:20,165 Why did they describe her like that? 947 00:40:20,165 --> 00:40:23,995 We could have found her years later." Because sh- they had called all the 948 00:40:23,995 --> 00:40:27,635 neighboring states, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, like all 949 00:40:27,635 --> 00:40:32,505 of them, to be like, "Do you have anyone who fits this description?" And she 950 00:40:32,505 --> 00:40:39,645 never fit this body because she was 16, not above 20 years old, and she wasn't 951 00:40:39,645 --> 00:40:41,715 a sex worker, and she wasn't- Mm-hmm 952 00:40:41,715 --> 00:40:42,305 from the area. 953 00:40:43,135 --> 00:40:43,255 So 954 00:40:43,355 --> 00:40:49,429 So now one of her cousins is still trying to figure out exactly what happened 955 00:40:49,439 --> 00:40:51,149 over 20 years later at this point. 956 00:40:51,189 --> 00:40:54,425 Like was she trafficked for a few days? 957 00:40:54,475 --> 00:40:55,995 Did she die immediately? 958 00:40:55,995 --> 00:41:01,325 Like, it's been so long, if there were clues, they're 959 00:41:01,325 --> 00:41:03,325 now kind of no longer there. 960 00:41:03,365 --> 00:41:03,935 You know what I mean? 961 00:41:03,935 --> 00:41:04,375 Austyn: Yeah. 962 00:41:04,825 --> 00:41:08,115 Repy: So now at this point, they know Eugene McCollum is the 963 00:41:08,115 --> 00:41:10,655 killer at least, because he's the one who led them to the body. 964 00:41:11,245 --> 00:41:11,465 Yes. 965 00:41:11,475 --> 00:41:15,105 But like I said, they're still wondering like, okay, what happened to her though? 966 00:41:15,385 --> 00:41:19,172 I just keep talking off this page because I, it's fresh on my mind. 967 00:41:19,722 --> 00:41:20,522 Austyn: That's okay 968 00:41:24,854 --> 00:41:25,354 Repy: Oh, okay. 969 00:41:25,734 --> 00:41:29,261 So it's been 26 years- Okay 970 00:41:29,271 --> 00:41:29,291 … Austyn: now 971 00:41:29,761 --> 00:41:33,821 Repy: since, since she disappeared, and she's finally got her name back. 972 00:41:33,961 --> 00:41:39,125 But people are still left trying to, like, put the pieces back together essentially. 973 00:41:39,185 --> 00:41:42,721 And this one story ended, and I thought it ended really pretty. 974 00:41:42,981 --> 00:41:47,212 They said "Tiffany's story reminds us that solving a crime is not only 975 00:41:47,212 --> 00:41:50,272 about finding the person responsible, it's also about remembering the 976 00:41:50,272 --> 00:41:52,992 person who was lost." Mm-hmm. 977 00:41:53,002 --> 00:41:53,352 I thought that was pretty. 978 00:41:53,512 --> 00:41:59,402 Because yes, now we know, we know where she was, and we know who killed her, but 979 00:41:59,402 --> 00:42:01,392 we really still don't know what happened. 980 00:42:02,092 --> 00:42:04,822 Austyn: Yeah, like how did she end up there? 981 00:42:04,832 --> 00:42:05,992 What was the promise? 982 00:42:05,992 --> 00:42:09,572 Like, what- Yes … was she thinking this was going to be? 983 00:42:09,812 --> 00:42:13,462 Repy: Right, and she had called… Like, she wasn't dating anyone, 984 00:42:13,482 --> 00:42:15,202 and she was so close to her family. 985 00:42:15,202 --> 00:42:19,252 They were saying, like, if she was, someone would've known, one of her 986 00:42:19,252 --> 00:42:23,202 cousins, someone, her best friend who walked with her every day. 987 00:42:23,652 --> 00:42:29,942 But she was kind of like, I guess later, closer to the time of her

disappearance, 988 00:42:29,972 --> 00:42:35,562 talking about meet… Who she had met someone online maybe or, like- 989 00:42:35,652 --> 00:42:36,852 Mm-hmm … through chat somewhere. 990 00:42:37,672 --> 00:42:41,409 But it, So like did someone traffic her that way? 991 00:42:41,419 --> 00:42:43,569 Was it not a boy? 992 00:42:43,609 --> 00:42:45,985 You know, was that the problem? 993 00:42:45,995 --> 00:42:50,265 But then it seems like also was McCollum really the type to 994 00:42:50,955 --> 00:42:53,635 traffic her, like grab her himself? 995 00:42:53,705 --> 00:42:54,315 No. 996 00:42:54,355 --> 00:42:58,235 So then someone would've had to do it and then sell it to 997 00:42:58,235 --> 00:42:59,825 him- Yeah … which is crazy. 998 00:43:00,495 --> 00:43:03,975 Austyn: Exactly, like this could uncover a whole operation. 999 00:43:04,015 --> 00:43:04,665 Repy: Yes. 1000 00:43:05,395 --> 00:43:07,585 Austyn: So like what- So 1001 00:43:07,585 --> 00:43:08,475 Repy: why, yes … but 1002 00:43:09,275 --> 00:43:11,985 Austyn: are we just stopping now that we know her identity? 1003 00:43:12,445 --> 00:43:14,905 Repy: Yeah, the cops are like, "Well, we know her identity and 1004 00:43:14,905 --> 00:43:18,925 we know the, who did it, so why would we waste money on the how?" 1005 00:43:19,825 --> 00:43:20,575 Austyn: Yeah. 1006 00:43:21,215 --> 00:43:21,875 Okay. 1007 00:43:22,275 --> 00:43:24,975 That's crazy that- Mm-hmm … it's just like well, it's kind of 1008 00:43:24,975 --> 00:43:26,435 solved but like not really. 1009 00:43:26,545 --> 00:43:26,565 Yeah, 1010 00:43:27,215 --> 00:43:33,315 Repy: so her family is like slowly trying to put together what happened and like 1011 00:43:33,315 --> 00:43:37,875 retrace her steps and stuff, but now it's been 26 years so it's like, okay. 1012 00:43:37,885 --> 00:43:38,775 Austyn: Wow. 1013 00:43:39,495 --> 00:43:39,675 Repy: Yeah. 1014 00:43:39,705 --> 00:43:43,775 Austyn: Yeah, so it's like, it's a very bittersweet story. 1015 00:43:43,855 --> 00:43:44,385 Repy: Yes. 1016 00:43:45,285 --> 00:43:46,495 Austyn: Well, a bittersweet ending. 1017 00:43:46,495 --> 00:43:47,555 The story itself sucks. 1018 00:43:47,585 --> 00:43:48,685 Repy: Yeah, the story sucks. 1019 00:43:48,685 --> 00:43:52,115 But at least- Yeah, the story sucks … her name was found, but it sucks 1020 00:43:52,115 --> 00:43:58,265 that like also she was labeled, sucks that one, the label of a sex worker 1021 00:43:58,335 --> 00:44:00,534 would make you less than anyone else. 1022 00:44:00,544 --> 00:44:01,064 Yeah. 1023 00:44:01,264 --> 00:44:06,154 But two, that then she got that label and she wasn't a sex worker, and so then- Yeah 1024 00:44:06,154 --> 00:44:09,254 her body was left unidentified for a long time. 1025 00:44:09,294 --> 00:44:11,124 Austyn: Yeah, she was just a kid. 1026 00:44:11,354 --> 00:44:11,784 Repy: Yeah. 1027 00:44:13,164 --> 00:44:13,584 Austyn: Wow. 1028 00:44:14,564 --> 00:44:19,844 Ugh, we love a, a good misogyny

story- Yay … in true crime. 1029 00:44:20,354 --> 00:44:20,524 Yikes. 1030 00:44:20,524 --> 00:44:20,564 Thank 1031 00:44:20,944 --> 00:44:21,304 Repy: you. 1032 00:44:21,994 --> 00:44:25,074 Austyn: Well, at least her family has some kind of closure now. 1033 00:44:25,494 --> 00:44:25,994 Repy: Yes. 1034 00:44:26,004 --> 00:44:31,944 Austyn: But it still does not change the ending, which is always, I feel 1035 00:44:31,944 --> 00:44:36,564 like that's always the shitty thing with true crime and like all of these stories 1036 00:44:36,564 --> 00:44:38,964 is like it still doesn't change it. 1037 00:44:39,304 --> 00:44:41,424 Repy: Yeah, that person's still dead, so like- 1038 00:44:41,434 --> 00:44:42,354 Austyn: Yeah … it can't really be a happy ending … we 1039 00:44:42,354 --> 00:44:44,434 can't go back and undo that. 1040 00:44:44,494 --> 00:44:47,722 So I'm gonna be telling you about the Breckenridge Orange 1041 00:44:47,722 --> 00:44:50,242 Sock Murders, and this is a bit 1042 00:44:50,242 --> 00:44:50,382 Repy: of a journey. 1043 00:44:50,612 --> 00:44:53,452 Ooh, it was really fun up until the end, the last part. 1044 00:44:53,622 --> 00:44:53,742 The 1045 00:44:53,742 --> 00:44:55,422 Austyn: Breckenridge Orange Sock- 1046 00:44:55,602 --> 00:44:55,962 Repy: Yeah 1047 00:44:55,962 --> 00:44:56,272 … Austyn: like, if we just stop there. 1048 00:44:56,272 --> 00:44:56,672 That sounds 1049 00:44:56,782 --> 00:44:58,352 Repy: like a fun baseball team. 1050 00:44:58,752 --> 00:45:01,352 Austyn: Yes, the Breckenridge Orange Socks, if like made- 1051 00:45:01,352 --> 00:45:01,372 Repy: Yeah, 1052 00:45:01,382 --> 00:45:01,762 Austyn: the Savannah 1053 00:45:02,192 --> 00:45:02,772 Repy: Bananas. 1054 00:45:03,542 --> 00:45:06,852 Austyn: If they made that their, like, team, it would be a little 1055 00:45:06,852 --> 00:45:08,952 disrespectful, but also kind of cool. 1056 00:45:09,252 --> 00:45:10,102 Repy: So fun. 1057 00:45:10,652 --> 00:45:10,852 Austyn: Yeah. 1058 00:45:11,252 --> 00:45:12,260 But We'll get into it. 1059 00:45:12,270 --> 00:45:19,600 So January 6th, 1982 was a deadly day in Breckenridge, Colorado. 1060 00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:19,930 Repy: No. 1061 00:45:20,220 --> 00:45:24,040 Austyn: That evening, a blizzard rolled into town, bringing temperatures as 1062 00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:27,050 low as negative 20 degrees Fahrenheit. 1063 00:45:27,860 --> 00:45:27,990 Damn. 1064 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:33,810 Of the unlucky souls who found themselves having to brave the frigid night, one 1065 00:45:33,810 --> 00:45:36,250 was 30-year-old Alan Lee Phillips. 1066 00:45:36,930 --> 00:45:41,160 Phillips was a local miner whose pickup truck had slid into a snow drift on 1067 00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,040 a mountain pass late that evening. 1068 00:45:43,550 --> 00:45:47,650 His rear wheels had sunken into the bank, causing the truck's nose to point 1069 00:45:47,670 --> 00:45:49,970 upward, kind of like Titanic style. 1070 00:45:50,130 --> 00:45:50,590 Repy: Yeah. 1071 00:45:50,820 --> 00:45:50,920 Austyn: Yeah. 1072 00:45:51,420 --> 00:45:58,798 Using The truck's headlights, he signaled SOS in Morse code, miraculously gaining 1073 00:45:58,798 --> 00:46:03,428 the attention of a passenger who was aboard a commercial flight overhead. 1074 00:46:03,528 --> 00:46:08,158 Repy: That is, one, so smart, but also, like- Yes … he had to know Morse code. 1075 00:46:08,218 --> 00:46:11,552 That person had to know- I know … that that was… It's long, long, long, short, 1076 00:46:11,552 --> 00:46:13,422 short, short, long, long, long, I think. 1077 00:46:13,442 --> 00:46:14,212 Austyn: I have no idea. 1078 00:46:14,212 --> 00:46:14,432 I don't 1079 00:46:14,432 --> 00:46:14,932 Repy: pretend 1080 00:46:14,932 --> 00:46:15,132 Austyn: to know. 1081 00:46:15,842 --> 00:46:15,922 It's SOS. 1082 00:46:16,322 --> 00:46:16,342 Okay. 1083 00:46:16,343 --> 00:46:20,965 But yeah, like, the amount of things that had to go right for that to work- 1084 00:46:20,975 --> 00:46:21,475 Repy: Yes 1085 00:46:21,695 --> 00:46:22,275 … Austyn: crazy. 1086 00:46:22,285 --> 00:46:22,305 So- 1087 00:46:22,685 --> 00:46:25,165 Repy: And then, like, for them to see it and not just think 1088 00:46:25,165 --> 00:46:28,325 it was… or, like, have their windshield down or whatever, like- 1089 00:46:28,325 --> 00:46:30,245 Austyn: Yeah, be sleeping. 1090 00:46:30,375 --> 00:46:30,605 Repy: Yeah. 1091 00:46:30,605 --> 00:46:32,905 Austyn: Getting into those airplane nuts that they don't- Right 1092 00:46:32,905 --> 00:46:35,045 give you anymore 'cause of allergies, pretzels, airplane pretzels. 1093 00:46:35,045 --> 00:46:35,555 Oat bran. 1094 00:46:36,325 --> 00:46:36,665 Yeah. 1095 00:46:36,665 --> 00:46:40,205 This is… Like, so much has to go right for this to work. 1096 00:46:40,335 --> 00:46:40,645 Repy: Yeah. 1097 00:46:40,655 --> 00:46:44,195 Austyn: So the passenger clocked this. 1098 00:46:44,195 --> 00:46:46,665 He was like, "Oh, that's SOS." Um- 1099 00:46:46,675 --> 00:46:47,075 Repy: T. 1100 00:46:47,735 --> 00:46:52,755 Austyn: Yeah, and so he went up to the pilot and was like, "Hey, it looks 1101 00:46:52,755 --> 00:46:56,195 like someone needs help down there." So they radioed the local rescue team. 1102 00:46:56,925 --> 00:47:01,245 So the Breckenridge Fire Brigade responded, finding the stranded 1103 00:47:01,255 --> 00:47:03,695 truck on the Guanilla Pass. 1104 00:47:03,845 --> 00:47:06,265 Repy: Do you think they were like- Fi- … "This is fucking insane"? 1105 00:47:06,745 --> 00:47:09,374 Austyn: I know, but that's… going through this, and I watched, like, 1106 00:47:09,374 --> 00:47:12,894 a little documentary on this, and no one is like, "Wow, the amount of…" 1107 00:47:13,154 --> 00:47:14,722 The circumstances that have to- Yeah 1108 00:47:14,732 --> 00:47:15,122 happen 1109 00:47:15,542 --> 00:47:15,752 Repy: and all that. 1110 00:47:15,752 --> 00:47:16,642 They were like, "Of course he 1111

00:47:17,222 --> 00:47:19,502 Austyn: signaled the plane." Everyone's just like, "Yeah, this makes sense." 1112 00:47:19,592 --> 00:47:20,322 Repy: Obviously. 1113 00:47:20,332 --> 00:47:20,642 Austyn: What? 1114 00:47:22,102 --> 00:47:25,725 So Fire Chief Dave Montoya suc- successfully pulled Phillips' 1115 00:47:25,735 --> 00:47:28,915 truck from the snow drift and assessed the man for injury. 1116 00:47:29,725 --> 00:47:34,385 Aside from a cut and a rapidly darkening bruise on his face, which Phillips 1117 00:47:34,385 --> 00:47:38,215 reported was the result of him slipping on snow and hitting his face on the 1118 00:47:38,215 --> 00:47:42,595 truck, Phillips was unharmed and needed no further medical attention. 1119 00:47:42,615 --> 00:47:44,035 Repy: That is incredible. 1120 00:47:44,415 --> 00:47:44,745 Austyn: Yeah. 1121 00:47:45,245 --> 00:47:50,555 The next day, the newspaper ran a story about the luckiest man in Colorado. 1122 00:47:51,125 --> 00:47:56,155 Phillips was one of the fortunate ones, but not everyone had survived that 1123 00:47:56,155 --> 00:48:01,853 night's storm The day had started normally for two other area residents who would 1124 00:48:01,853 --> 00:48:03,803 later find themselves in the blizzard. 1125 00:48:04,393 --> 00:48:08,963 29-year-old Barbara "Bobbi Jo" Oberholtzer left the home she shared 1126 00:48:08,963 --> 00:48:12,663 with her husband of four years, an appliance repairman named Jeff 1127 00:48:12,703 --> 00:48:16,023 Oberholtzer, at 7:15 in the morning. 1128 00:48:16,813 --> 00:48:20,393 Bobbi Jo set out on foot and planned to hitch a ride to work. 1129 00:48:20,403 --> 00:48:20,463 Oh my gosh. 1130 00:48:20,743 --> 00:48:22,743 This was not unusual… Yep. 1131 00:48:23,473 --> 00:48:26,963 This wasn't unusual for the time period or for Bobbi Jo. 1132 00:48:27,363 --> 00:48:32,303 In the 1980s, hitchhiking was a valid form, and a common form, of 1133 00:48:32,303 --> 00:48:36,683 transportation for many people who couldn't afford or didn't have access 1134 00:48:36,683 --> 00:48:40,173 to vehicles in areas- It was like- … that lacked public transportation 1135 00:48:40,403 --> 00:48:41,683 … Repy: and it wasn't even common. 1136 00:48:41,693 --> 00:48:43,073 It was, like, recommended. 1137 00:48:43,703 --> 00:48:43,883 Yeah. 1138 00:48:43,903 --> 00:48:45,173 "Oh, you should just hitchhike there. 1139 00:48:45,343 --> 00:48:47,153 Someone will-" Exactly … "pick you up." You know? 1140 00:48:47,153 --> 00:48:47,223 Like- 1141 00:48:47,233 --> 00:48:50,593 Austyn: Yeah, and it's just like, like it makes sense on the surface 'cause 1142 00:48:50,593 --> 00:48:53,853 you're like, "If someone's going the same way I'm going, why not just-" Why not? 1143 00:48:53,853 --> 00:48:54,633 "… ride with them?" Yeah. 1144 00:48:54,643 --> 00:48:54,893 Right? 1145 00:48:54,893 --> 00:48:57,063 It's like- If people were- … carpooling for strangers 1146 00:48:57,213 --> 00:49:00,553 … Repy: if people were good, it would be the perfect- Yeah 1147 00:49:00,603 --> 00:49:01,133 solution. 1148 00:49:01,783 --> 00:49:03,753 Austyn: Exactly, but people are horrific. 1149 00:49:03,813 --> 00:49:04,173 Repy: Yes. 1150 00:49:04,183 --> 00:49:04,793 Austyn: So, 1151 00:49:04,933 --> 00:49:08,223 Repy: So now we have Uber, which is just the electronic kind. 1152 00:49:08,463 --> 00:49:10,823 Austyn: Yeah, it's just the payment kind. 1153 00:49:10,833 --> 00:49:11,223 Repy: Yeah. 1154 00:49:12,573 --> 00:49:14,293 Austyn: Where it's like, is it really safer? 1155 00:49:14,383 --> 00:49:14,413 Repy: Eh, 1156 00:49:14,913 --> 00:49:15,303 Austyn: debatable. 1157 00:49:15,693 --> 00:49:17,673 Repy: Eh, but at least it's monetized. 1158 00:49:17,863 --> 00:49:17,883 Austyn: Yeah. 1159 00:49:17,903 --> 00:49:23,830 So Bobby Joe and Jeff lived in Alma, which is about 14 miles from Breckenridge, 1160 00:49:23,850 --> 00:49:25,950 where Bobby worked as a receptionist. 1161 00:49:26,460 --> 00:49:30,690 Bobby Joe successfully found a ride to work and went about her day as usual. 1162 00:49:31,250 --> 00:49:36,000 At 6:20 PM, she called her husband and told him that she had met friends for 1163 00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:40,160 a drink after her workday concluded to celebrate her recent promotion. 1164 00:49:41,380 --> 00:49:41,510 Yay. 1165 00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:45,160 He offered to come and pick her up from the bar, but she told him that 1166 00:49:45,170 --> 00:49:47,020 she planned to hitch a ride back home. 1167 00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:52,410 She assured him that she would be home shortly, so he began to prepare dinner. 1168 00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:57,070 Sometime after he made dinner, Jeff fell asleep and awoke around 1169 00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:01,070 midnight to find that Bobby Joe still had not returned home. 1170 00:50:01,510 --> 00:50:06,230 He knew that the local bars closed at 2:00 AM, but when she still hadn't arrived 1171 00:50:06,230 --> 00:50:08,470 after that, he set out to find her. 1172 00:50:09,100 --> 00:50:09,250 Repy: Dang. 1173 00:50:09,250 --> 00:50:09,370 He 1174 00:50:09,370 --> 00:50:09,710 Austyn: later- 1175 00:50:09,710 --> 00:50:11,510 Repy: He thought she was partying. 1176 00:50:12,180 --> 00:50:16,878 Austyn: Yes because, Like, 6:00 PM to 2:00 AM is a huge amount of time. 1177 00:50:16,888 --> 00:50:17,038 It 1178 00:50:17,088 --> 00:50:17,708 Repy: is. 1179 00:50:17,948 --> 00:50:18,308 Austyn: Right? 1180 00:50:18,308 --> 00:50:18,451 It is 1181 00:50:18,451 --> 00:50:18,736 Repy: a big amount of 1182 00:50:18,816 --> 00:50:19,076 Austyn: time. 1183 00:50:19,196 --> 00:50:23,647 A- And I'll also say that later on Jeff said that he had been hanging 1184 00:50:23,647 --> 00:50:25,357 out with a friend at the house. 1185 00:50:25,357 --> 00:50:25,477 Yeah. 1186 00:50:25,477 --> 00:50:29,048 Like, a friend had come over to hang out, but it's not clear whether that was, 1187 00:50:29,048 --> 00:50:31,108 like, before he talked to her last- Right 1188

00:50:31,378 --> 00:50:35,618 or throughout that period when he's, like, making dinner, and 1189 00:50:35,618 --> 00:50:36,958 then maybe the friend goes home. 1190 00:50:37,058 --> 00:50:39,744 'Cause he's expecting her to be arriving. 1191 00:50:39,974 --> 00:50:40,234 Repy: Right. 1192 00:50:40,334 --> 00:50:44,856 Austyn: So he later stated, quote, "I thought maybe she's kicking up her heels 1193 00:50:44,856 --> 00:50:48,876 a little bit and has forgotten about time, only she never came home, and 1194 00:50:48,876 --> 00:50:50,836 I knew that something was not right." 1195 00:50:51,056 --> 00:50:54,579 Jeff drove into town to look for Bobby Joe but came up empty. 1196 00:50:54,779 --> 00:50:58,329 He got in touch with the friends she had met at the bar, and they told him 1197 00:50:58,339 --> 00:51:00,869 that she had actually left around 7:30. 1198 00:51:01,349 --> 00:51:04,559 He immediately went to the local police station to file a missing 1199 00:51:04,559 --> 00:51:08,579 persons report but was told that it was too early to do so. 1200 00:51:08,839 --> 00:51:08,989 Such bullshit. 1201 00:51:08,989 --> 00:51:11,049 So he went back home and waited. 1202 00:51:11,059 --> 00:51:11,449 I know. 1203 00:51:11,459 --> 00:51:15,089 It is bullshit, and I think that's also something that's, like, in 1204 00:51:15,089 --> 00:51:16,859 some jurisdictions it's true. 1205 00:51:16,869 --> 00:51:17,949 In others it's not. 1206 00:51:17,949 --> 00:51:17,969 In 1207 00:51:17,969 --> 00:51:19,239 Repy: others it's not, yeah. 1208 00:51:19,429 --> 00:51:19,709 Austyn: Yeah. 1209 00:51:19,809 --> 00:51:24,655 That Same day, 21-year-old Annette Schnee had finished her shift as a 1210 00:51:24,655 --> 00:51:27,225 housekeeper at a local Holiday Inn. 1211 00:51:27,705 --> 00:51:32,615 Annette was scheduled to work at a local ball, a local bar called The Flip Side 1212 00:51:32,675 --> 00:51:36,985 later that night, and planned to return home to change and prepare for her shift. 1213 00:51:37,305 --> 00:51:40,295 I also love the bar name, The Flip Side, 'cause it's catch you, 1214 00:51:40,625 --> 00:51:42,115 I'll catch you on the flip side. 1215 00:51:42,175 --> 00:51:42,865 Repy: Yeah. 1216 00:51:42,955 --> 00:51:43,555 Austyn: Yes. 1217 00:51:43,885 --> 00:51:44,285 Um- 1218 00:51:44,295 --> 00:51:44,625 Repy: That's funny. 1219 00:51:45,115 --> 00:51:45,445 Austyn: Yeah. 1220 00:51:45,875 --> 00:51:49,715 After finishing at the Holiday Inn, she attended a doctor's appointment, 1221 00:51:49,755 --> 00:51:54,045 and hitchhiked to a drug store in Breckenridge to pick up a prescription. 1222 00:51:54,655 --> 00:52:01,165 She was seen at the drug store at around 4:45 PM, reportedly engaged in a serious 1223 00:52:01,185 --> 00:52:03,525 conversation with a dark-haired woman. 1224 00:52:04,115 --> 00:52:07,445 The other woman was described as a slender white woman who 1225 00:52:07,465 --> 00:52:09,465 looked like she had been camping. 1226 00:52:09,895 --> 00:52:13,185 She was supposedly smoking a Marlboro cigarette. 1227 00:52:13,405 --> 00:52:17,495 Also, I love that description, like, who looked like she had been camping. 1228 00:52:17,505 --> 00:52:18,291 What does that mean? 1229 00:52:18,291 --> 00:52:18,545 That's such 1230 00:52:18,545 --> 00:52:19,055 Repy: a dig. 1231 00:52:19,405 --> 00:52:19,755 That's so- 1232 00:52:19,755 --> 00:52:22,315 Austyn: But also, does that mean, like, she's disheveled? 1233 00:52:22,325 --> 00:52:22,695 Is she- 1234 00:52:23,105 --> 00:52:23,325 Repy: Covered in dirt? 1235 00:52:23,565 --> 00:52:25,575 Austyn: Yeah, like, does she have a hiking backpack on? 1236 00:52:25,585 --> 00:52:25,755 Or is 1237 00:52:25,975 --> 00:52:27,325 Repy: she carrying a tent? 1238 00:52:27,375 --> 00:52:27,887 Like, which- 1239 00:52:27,887 --> 00:52:29,577 Austyn: Yeah, like, what does that mean? 1240 00:52:29,587 --> 00:52:29,607 Yeah. 1241 00:52:30,967 --> 00:52:34,907 Repy: Does she just have boots on and is wearing shorts, or like- 1242 00:52:34,907 --> 00:52:36,837 Austyn: Like she's in- Yeah … like, out- outdoor 1243 00:52:36,837 --> 00:52:36,867 Repy: gear? 1244 00:52:37,777 --> 00:52:39,707 Like, did she have a sign that said, like, "I'm just here to camp"? 1245 00:52:39,867 --> 00:52:42,007 Austyn: Yeah, or does she have leaves in her hair? 1246 00:52:42,017 --> 00:52:43,217 Like- Yeah … what is going on? 1247 00:52:43,427 --> 00:52:43,597 Repy: Right. 1248 00:52:43,627 --> 00:52:44,017 Austyn: Um… 1249 00:52:44,047 --> 00:52:45,497 Repy: She's covered in mud. 1250 00:52:45,607 --> 00:52:46,077 Austyn: Yeah 1251 00:52:46,097 --> 00:52:46,927 … Repy: no clothes. 1252 00:52:47,387 --> 00:52:47,817 She's in 1253 00:52:48,207 --> 00:52:48,727 Austyn: full camo. 1254 00:52:49,227 --> 00:52:49,307 Repy: Exactly. 1255 00:52:50,347 --> 00:52:55,127 Austyn: So regardless, Annette was never seen again after that. 1256 00:52:56,059 --> 00:52:59,989 The next day, January 7th, Jeff Oberholtzer received a phone 1257 00:52:59,989 --> 00:53:03,569 call from a local farmer at around 7:45 in the morning. 1258 00:53:03,569 --> 00:53:08,439 Repy: Sorry, I also just thought, what a great dig to use, "It looks like- Yeah 1259 00:53:08,449 --> 00:53:13,629 … she's been camping." Like, imagine if you went to prom and someone went, "Oh my 1260 00:53:13,729 --> 00:53:15,049 gosh, you look like you've been camping. 1261 00:53:15,049 --> 00:53:15,419 How was it?" 1262 00:53:15,419 --> 00:53:15,749 Austyn: Yes. 1263 00:53:16,379 --> 00:53:16,749 Yeah. 1264 00:53:16,879 --> 00:53:19,739 Like, just, "Oh, did you just get back from camping?" 1265 00:53:20,219 --> 00:53:20,779 " Repy: Was it fun?" 1266 00:53:21,639 --> 00:53:21,819 Austyn: Yeah. 1267 00:53:22,369 --> 00:53:23,816 When you're, like, all dressed up. 1268 00:53:23,826 --> 00:53:25,556 Yes, that's a crazy insult. 1269 00:53:25,556 --> 00:53:25,576 Yeah. 1270 00:53:25,676 --> 00:53:30,919 So the farmer that called Jeff lived about 30

miles outside of Breckenridge, 1271 00:53:30,939 --> 00:53:35,129 and he said he had found Bobby Joe's driver's license on his property. 1272 00:53:35,919 --> 00:53:40,159 Jeff and two of his friends set out to retrieve it, and along the way, about 10 1273 00:53:40,159 --> 00:53:45,319 miles from the farmer's property, one of them spotted something blue in the snow. 1274 00:53:46,079 --> 00:53:49,899 It was Bobby Joe's backpack, and beside it was one of Bobby Joe's 1275 00:53:49,929 --> 00:53:55,289 gloves and several used tissues, all splattered with bright red blood. 1276 00:53:55,299 --> 00:53:55,309 Ooh. 1277 00:53:56,139 --> 00:54:00,949 Jeff and his friends immediately organized a search, and within two hours, Bobby 1278 00:54:00,949 --> 00:54:05,749 Joe's body was found more than 20 miles from where the backpack had been 1279 00:54:05,749 --> 00:54:08,639 left, near the summit of Hoosier Pass. 1280 00:54:09,419 --> 00:54:09,729 Repy: Wow. 1281 00:54:10,499 --> 00:54:14,269 Austyn: Several interesting clues were found around Bobby Joe's body. 1282 00:54:14,709 --> 00:54:17,829 There were footprints, but investigators determined that 1283 00:54:17,849 --> 00:54:19,499 they belonged to Bobby Joe. 1284 00:54:20,059 --> 00:54:23,989 A brass key ring that Jeff had fashioned for Bobby Joe to use as a 1285 00:54:24,009 --> 00:54:26,259 self-defense weapon was also there. 1286 00:54:26,979 --> 00:54:31,369 Bobby Joe had a plastic zip tie tied around one wrist with another zip 1287 00:54:31,369 --> 00:54:36,239 tie looped through it, and there was also an orange sock found nearby. 1288 00:54:36,969 --> 00:54:42,519 The thing was, Bobby Joe hadn't been wearing orange socks, and the second sock 1289 00:54:42,519 --> 00:54:44,439 was completely missing from the scene. 1290 00:54:45,149 --> 00:54:45,159 Hmm. 1291 00:54:45,319 --> 00:54:50,269 A medical examiner determined that Bobby Joe had been shot at close range twice 1292 00:54:50,289 --> 00:54:55,721 in the chest by a .38/.357 handgun. 1293 00:54:56,641 --> 00:55:00,341 So I- Like a- … is that the same bullet, or is it one, is it a gun that 1294 00:55:00,341 --> 00:55:02,861 could use either of those kinds of ammo? 1295 00:55:03,641 --> 00:55:08,281 Repy: No, I think it's saying it's a .38 caliber 36-whatever handgun. 1296 00:55:08,291 --> 00:55:09,111 Austyn: Okay, handgun. 1297 00:55:09,111 --> 00:55:09,361 Yeah. 1298 00:55:09,361 --> 00:55:09,661 Yeah. 1299 00:55:09,781 --> 00:55:11,375 And so That was the handgun. 1300 00:55:11,405 --> 00:55:17,865 Um, and the bullet she had been shot with was a Remington Peters copper-jacketed 1301 00:55:17,875 --> 00:55:20,165 hollow point, which is- Which are 1302 00:55:20,165 --> 00:55:20,465 Repy: awful 1303 00:55:20,855 --> 00:55:24,705 … Austyn: yes, devastating to- Yeah … organic matter. 1304 00:55:24,715 --> 00:55:24,735 Um- 1305 00:55:24,825 --> 00:55:27,355 Repy: Especially short, like, close range like that. 1306 00:55:27,485 --> 00:55:27,765 Austyn: Yes. 1307 00:55:28,025 --> 00:55:31,748 The Next day, Jeff Oberholtzer was informed that he was the primary 1308 00:55:31,748 --> 00:55:33,588 suspect in Bobby Joe's murder. 1309 00:55:33,808 --> 00:55:37,070 Jeff maintained his innocence, but he stated that he believed 1310 00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:39,360 Bobbi Jo had known her killer. 1311 00:55:39,710 --> 00:55:43,340 He said, quote, "My wife wouldn't have gotten into a vehicle with 1312 00:55:43,340 --> 00:55:45,150 just a couple strange guys. 1313 00:55:45,410 --> 00:55:48,240 She knew that she could call for a ride if she wanted to. 1314 00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,800 I think she knew someone, and that they left together with a promise 1315 00:55:51,830 --> 00:55:53,190 of taking her home." Mm-hmm. 1316 00:55:53,870 --> 00:55:56,090 He also provided an alibi. 1317 00:55:56,350 --> 00:55:59,670 He told the police that he had been entertaining a friend at his home at the 1318 00:55:59,670 --> 00:56:03,660 time that the murder had been committed, but the friend didn't corroborate 1319 00:56:03,660 --> 00:56:07,110 this story until December 1990. 1320 00:56:07,470 --> 00:56:09,580 So we're talking years later. 1321 00:56:09,860 --> 00:56:14,440 Repy: Now, did he, like, not want to, or did they not ask? 1322 00:56:14,460 --> 00:56:14,480 What- 1323 00:56:14,516 --> 00:56:17,376 Austyn: It's not clear, and it- Yeah … isn't clear if they were 1324 00:56:17,376 --> 00:56:21,206 like, they couldn't get ahold of the friend, or if they didn't try- 1325 00:56:21,216 --> 00:56:23,326 Mm-hmm … or like, it's a little messy. 1326 00:56:23,596 --> 00:56:23,796 Repy: Yeah. 1327 00:56:23,816 --> 00:56:27,296 Austyn: Um, even after the alibi witness came forward, 1328 00:56:27,356 --> 00:56:29,356 Sheriff Eaton wasn't convinced. 1329 00:56:29,686 --> 00:56:33,236 He said, quote, "He stated that he had been at Jeff's house that night, 1330 00:56:33,246 --> 00:56:37,516 however, the times that he gave us did not match up with the times that Jeff 1331 00:56:37,526 --> 00:56:42,446 had given us." The investigation into Bobbi Jo's murder began to grow cold 1332 00:56:42,446 --> 00:56:46,786 within the first days, with no potential suspects other than her husband. 1333 00:56:46,786 --> 00:56:51,946 It would remain cold for several months, but the events that would reignite 1334 00:56:51,966 --> 00:56:54,516 the investigation had already begun. 1335 00:56:56,236 --> 00:57:00,866 On January 8th, one of Annette Schnee's coworkers from the Holiday 1336 00:57:00,866 --> 00:57:05,086 Inn notified her family and police that Annette had failed to show up 1337 00:57:05,086 --> 00:57:07,396 for her last two scheduled shifts. 1338 00:57:07,916 --> 00:57:12,156 This was extremely unusual, as Annette was a reliable employee. 1339 00:57:13,136 --> 00:57:16,036 They had been unable to get in contact with Annette, and 1340 00:57:16,046 --> 00:57:17,656 her roommate had not seen her. 1341 00:57:17,856 --> 00:57:22,879 On

January 9th, after learning of the discovery of Bobbi Jo's body, Annette's 1342 00:57:22,993 --> 00:57:24,963 sister traveled to Breckenridge. 1343 00:57:25,833 --> 00:57:29,443 When she had heard that Bobbi Jo had been hitchhiking on the night of her 1344 00:57:29,443 --> 00:57:34,023 murder, Annette's sister knew she had to go and search for Annette in person. 1345 00:57:34,463 --> 00:57:37,643 She was aware that Annette's primary mode of transportation was 1346 00:57:37,643 --> 00:57:42,563 hitchhiking, and suspected that Annette had met the same fate as Bobbi Jo. 1347 00:57:43,033 --> 00:57:44,233 Repy: Ugh, devastating. 1348 00:57:44,743 --> 00:57:45,223 Austyn: Yeah. 1349 00:57:45,343 --> 00:57:47,763 However, the search was fruitless. 1350 00:57:47,963 --> 00:57:50,333 Annette Schnee was nowhere to be found. 1351 00:57:51,533 --> 00:57:55,733 Investigators started piecing Annette's last movements together and realized that 1352 00:57:55,733 --> 00:57:58,573 she had disappeared hours before Bobbi Jo. 1353 00:57:59,303 --> 00:57:59,413 Wow. 1354 00:57:59,413 --> 00:58:01,163 Because the… Yeah. 1355 00:58:01,213 --> 00:58:05,793 So because the women went missing on the same day, police decided to question 1356 00:58:05,793 --> 00:58:08,203 Jeff Oberholtzer about Annette as well. 1357 00:58:08,483 --> 00:58:12,560 Shockingly, Jeff reported that he had met Annette before. 1358 00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:13,200 Oh. 1359 00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:17,100 Jeff had picked Annette up when she was hitchhiking sometime in the months 1360 00:58:17,100 --> 00:58:19,530 before her and Bobbi Jo's disappearances. 1361 00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:27,020 Jeff also told police that he had always experienced premonitions and felt that 1362 00:58:27,330 --> 00:58:32,090 Annette's body would be found four miles from his home on the 4th of July. 1363 00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:36,070 Repy: So maybe we keep that to ourselves, Jeff. 1364 00:58:36,290 --> 00:58:38,730 Austyn: Yeah, maybe we don't tell the police that. 1365 00:58:38,730 --> 00:58:43,120 Mm. I mean, maybe he's like, "Oh, if I tell them some crazy shit like 1366 00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:46,430 this, they're gonna think, like, no person who actually did this would- 1367 00:58:46,430 --> 00:58:47,490 No person … would tell us this." 1368 00:58:47,650 --> 00:58:47,960 Repy: Yeah. 1369 00:58:48,470 --> 00:58:48,930 Austyn: Um, 1370 00:58:49,230 --> 00:58:52,260 Repy: Or maybe he's just so innocent that he's like, "Why wouldn't I tell them? 1371 00:58:53,060 --> 00:58:53,460 I'm golden." Yes, 1372 00:58:53,500 --> 00:58:56,120 Austyn: he's, he's so innocent- I know … that he's like, 1373 00:58:56,130 --> 00:58:57,690 "Guess what? Also, I'm psychic." 1374 00:58:58,170 --> 00:58:58,450 Repy: Yeah. 1375 00:58:58,750 --> 00:59:01,409 "I'm Not just the CEO. I'm a member." 1376 00:59:01,849 --> 00:59:02,049 Austyn: Yes. 1377 00:59:02,089 --> 00:59:07,252 So Annette's body was discovered eventually, and it was on July 3rd, 1378 00:59:07,312 --> 00:59:10,582 1982, seven miles from Jeff's home. 1379 00:59:10,612 --> 00:59:12,862 Repy: Get it together, Jeff. 1380 00:59:12,972 --> 00:59:14,872 Austyn: So Jeff was a little off. 1381 00:59:14,952 --> 00:59:18,985 Um- Mm-hmm … he was off by a day and three miles. 1382 00:59:19,345 --> 00:59:19,675 Repy: Yeah. 1383 00:59:19,775 --> 00:59:21,965 Austyn: But again, like, pretty close. 1384 00:59:22,025 --> 00:59:22,745 Repy: Pretty close. 1385 00:59:23,125 --> 00:59:27,342 Although you would think they would immediately have searched a 1386 00:59:27,352 --> 00:59:30,882 whatever mile radius from Jeff's home after that, I think, but. 1387 00:59:31,002 --> 00:59:32,872 Austyn: Yeah, but I think at that point they're like, "Ugh, 1388 00:59:32,882 --> 00:59:33,502 this guy's nuts." They're 1389 00:59:33,542 --> 00:59:35,022 Repy: like, "Oh, he's insane." 1390 00:59:35,742 --> 00:59:35,902 Austyn: Yes. 1391 00:59:35,962 --> 00:59:37,923 I Don't think they were taking this seriously. 1392 00:59:37,933 --> 00:59:38,323 Repy: Yeah. 1393 00:59:39,653 --> 00:59:40,143 Austyn: So- 1394 00:59:42,393 --> 00:59:45,813 A young boy was fishing in Sacramento Creek when he came 1395 00:59:45,813 --> 00:59:48,143 upon Annette's fully clothed body. 1396 00:59:48,173 --> 00:59:48,833 Repy: Ugh. 1397 00:59:49,103 --> 00:59:51,673 Austyn: She was lying face down in the water. 1398 00:59:52,413 --> 00:59:55,253 The boy went to get his father, who called the police. 1399 00:59:55,863 --> 01:00:00,173 The site where Annette Schnee was found was 10 miles from where Bobbi Jo's body 1400 01:00:00,193 --> 01:00:05,893 had been recovered, and 23 miles from the pharmacy where she was last seen. 1401 01:00:06,963 --> 01:00:11,833 Medical examiners noted that Annette had been shot downward at a 30-degree 1402 01:00:11,833 --> 01:00:17,503 angle, meaning that her assailant was either above her or behind her. 1403 01:00:18,053 --> 01:00:22,173 It was theorized that she was shot in the back while retreating from her killer. 1404 01:00:22,833 --> 01:00:26,263 Although she had been fully clothed when she was found, examiners 1405 01:00:26,273 --> 01:00:29,994 suspected that she had been sexually assaulted prior to her murder. 1406 01:00:30,724 --> 01:00:35,624 Her clothing had seemingly been put back on her body by another person, 1407 01:00:35,924 --> 01:00:39,824 as evidenced by a broken zipper on her jeans and the fact that 1408 01:00:39,824 --> 01:00:42,144 her shoes were on the wrong feet. 1409 01:00:42,564 --> 01:00:42,884 Repy: Weird. 1410 01:00:43,724 --> 01:00:46,524 Austyn: Under her left boot, which had been placed on her right 1411 01:00:46,524 --> 01:00:49,604 foot, was a single orange sock. 1412 01:00:50,684 --> 01:00:51,614 Repy: Connection. 1413 01:00:52,084 --> 01:00:52,584 Austyn: Yep. 1414 01:00:53,454 --> 01:00:58,384 A Colorado Bureau of Investigations agent who had attended Bobbi Jo's crime scene 1415 01:00:58,384 --> 01:01:03,614 and Annette

Schnee's autopsy immediately recognized the sock as the mate of 1416 01:01:03,614 --> 01:01:05,724 the one found near Bobbi Jo's body. 1417 01:01:06,974 --> 01:01:10,664 He theorized that these two cases were connected. 1418 01:01:11,224 --> 01:01:16,330 The socks were determined to have belonged to Annette, who had presumably lost 1419 01:01:16,330 --> 01:01:19,150 one sock in her assailant's vehicle. 1420 01:01:19,890 --> 01:01:24,190 Investigators believe that Bobbi Jo had inadvertently kicked or dragged 1421 01:01:24,220 --> 01:01:28,080 the abandoned sock out of that same assailant's vehicle hours later- 1422 01:01:28,500 --> 01:01:30,686 while she was fighting for her life. 1423 01:01:31,786 --> 01:01:35,666 But the orange sock, albeit the most concrete link between the two 1424 01:01:35,666 --> 01:01:38,526 women, obviously wasn't the only one. 1425 01:01:39,306 --> 01:01:44,106 In the pocket of Annette's jacket was a business card for Alpine Appliance 1426 01:01:44,106 --> 01:01:47,116 Sale and Service out of Alma, Colorado. 1427 01:01:47,676 --> 01:01:50,576 The associate's name on the card was Jeff Oberholtzer. 1428 01:01:52,286 --> 01:01:52,606 Repy: That's crazy. 1429 01:01:52,616 --> 01:01:54,106 Austyn: Just like he had said. 1430 01:01:54,156 --> 01:01:54,336 Yeah. 1431 01:01:54,416 --> 01:01:57,426 So now we have the concrete link between the two of them. 1432 01:01:58,146 --> 01:02:02,346 If Jeff was the prime suspect in Bobbi Jo's murder before Annette's body was 1433 01:02:02,346 --> 01:02:07,016 found, this new piece of information shot him straight to the top of the suspect- 1434 01:02:07,016 --> 01:02:09,706 Yeah … list for double homicide. 1435 01:02:11,102 --> 01:02:15,382 Jeff was questioned about Annette's murder, and again, he said, "You 1436 01:02:15,382 --> 01:02:17,582 know, I think I gave her a ride. 1437 01:02:17,662 --> 01:02:22,082 It was probably sometime in November," which was less than two months 1438 01:02:22,082 --> 01:02:23,752 before these murders happened. 1439 01:02:23,912 --> 01:02:29,081 He said that it wasn't unusual for him to give the card to Annette because 1440 01:02:29,091 --> 01:02:33,441 he was kind of giving them out to everyone, trying to grow his business. 1441 01:02:33,731 --> 01:02:34,041 Repy: Right. 1442 01:02:34,041 --> 01:02:36,061 He was- So- … just like, "Hey, I gave you a ride. Here" 1443 01:02:36,381 --> 01:02:37,341 Austyn: Yeah, exactly. 1444 01:02:37,541 --> 01:02:42,672 But that kind of, to me, is… It's a weird coincidence, right? 1445 01:02:42,962 --> 01:02:43,262 But- 1446 01:02:43,272 --> 01:02:43,552 Repy: Mm-hmm 1447 01:02:43,772 --> 01:02:46,922 … Austyn: why would you give your card to someone you're gonna murder? 1448 01:02:47,542 --> 01:02:48,372 Repy: Right, exactly. 1449 01:02:48,372 --> 01:02:49,552 It, like, says the- You know? 1450 01:02:49,562 --> 01:02:50,302 … opposite to me. 1451 01:02:50,302 --> 01:02:51,572 Like- It- … yeah, why would you- 1452 01:02:52,042 --> 01:02:55,212 Austyn: Exactly … have that person So to me, that's kind of like, that 1453 01:02:55,212 --> 01:02:56,812 makes me trust him a little bit more. 1454 01:02:56,932 --> 01:02:57,262 Repy: Yeah. 1455 01:02:57,332 --> 01:03:02,162 Austyn: So now officials knew that Bobbi Jo Oberholtzer and Annette Schnee, both 1456 01:03:02,222 --> 01:03:08,182 attractive white women in their 20s who had long blonde hair, had both had contact 1457 01:03:08,182 --> 01:03:13,582 with Jeff Oberholtzer prior to their deaths, that they both disappeared on the 1458 01:03:13,592 --> 01:03:17,902 afternoon/evening of the same day, and that there was this blizzard going on. 1459 01:03:18,172 --> 01:03:18,382 Repy: Right. 1460 01:03:19,372 --> 01:03:22,822 Austyn: All of that combined with Jeff's earlier premonition, which 1461 01:03:22,822 --> 01:03:27,535 he had reported to police, bad move made him the most obvious culprit, 1462 01:03:27,875 --> 01:03:31,085 because who else had this connection between- Right … these two women? 1463 01:03:31,085 --> 01:03:32,415 Repy: Like, that's crazy. 1464 01:03:32,645 --> 01:03:33,015 Austyn: Yeah. 1465 01:03:33,405 --> 01:03:38,627 So they gave Jeff a polygraph, which we know is trash but- Mm … he passed. 1466 01:03:39,237 --> 01:03:42,157 So they were like, "Rats. Did not get him there." 1467 01:03:42,197 --> 01:03:43,007 Repy: Dang. 1468 01:03:43,257 --> 01:03:43,777 Austyn: Yeah. 1469 01:03:44,207 --> 01:03:49,517 After the blood found on Bobbi Jo's gloves were tested, it came back that 1470 01:03:49,787 --> 01:03:52,287 it was not a match to Jeff's blood type. 1471 01:03:52,297 --> 01:03:52,327 Okay. 1472 01:03:53,127 --> 01:03:58,547 When DNA technology… It also was not a match to Bobbi Jo. 1473 01:03:59,167 --> 01:03:59,557 Repy: Okay. 1474 01:04:00,147 --> 01:04:00,577 Austyn: Yes. 1475 01:04:00,627 --> 01:04:03,857 So it, it didn't match Bobbi Jo or Annette. 1476 01:04:03,867 --> 01:04:05,467 So it's not their blood. 1477 01:04:05,467 --> 01:04:05,717 Mm-hmm. 1478 01:04:05,717 --> 01:04:07,007 It's not Jeff's blood. 1479 01:04:07,167 --> 01:04:10,147 So it is this- The killer … other person, yes. 1480 01:04:10,177 --> 01:04:13,881 So when DNA technology advanced later in the 20th century, 1481 01:04:14,191 --> 01:04:15,981 Jeff was ruled out entirely. 1482 01:04:15,981 --> 01:04:19,211 So besides just knowing it's not the right blood type, they're like, "The 1483 01:04:19,211 --> 01:04:20,189 DNA does not match." They're like, 1484 01:04:20,189 --> 01:04:21,241 " Repy: It doesn't match at all," yeah. 1485 01:04:21,501 --> 01:04:21,761 Austyn: Yes. 1486 01:04:21,801 --> 01:04:26,880 Despite This evidence, Jeff was viewed by many as a killer who got away. 1487 01:04:27,530 --> 01:04:31,410 For the next decade, he would share his theories as to who killed his wife, 1488 01:04:31,540 --> 01:04:33,790 but there were always eyes on him. 1489 01:04:34,770 --> 01:04:35,410 In early- That's so 1490

01:04:35,410 --> 01:04:35,910 Repy: fucked up. 1491 01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:36,680 Austyn: It is. 1492 01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:39,990 He, like, lived decades with people literally viewing 1493 01:04:39,990 --> 01:04:40,880 him- Yeah … as a killer. 1494 01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:47,510 In early 2020, the CBI took another look at the case, and at the cases, 1495 01:04:47,940 --> 01:04:53,270 and sent the surviving samples for more comprehensive genealogical testing. 1496 01:04:53,940 --> 01:04:58,530 They reached out to a Denver company called United Data Connect, which uses 1497 01:04:58,530 --> 01:05:03,770 publicly available genealogy databases to compare against crime scene samples. 1498 01:05:04,660 --> 01:05:12,770 On January 9th, 2021, United Data Connect informed CBI detective Wendy Kipple that 1499 01:05:12,780 --> 01:05:18,972 two potential matches had been identified The individuals who had been, who had 1500 01:05:18,972 --> 01:05:23,552 been matched to the submitted samples were brothers Alan and Bruce Phillips. 1501 01:05:24,232 --> 01:05:29,132 Bruce was contacted first, and he informed Detective Kippel that he had never resided 1502 01:05:29,142 --> 01:05:34,782 in the state of Colorado, but that his younger brother, Alan Lee Phillips, did. 1503 01:05:34,812 --> 01:05:34,822 Hmm. 1504 01:05:36,552 --> 01:05:40,392 Bruce was estranged from Alan, and he was unsure if he still lived 1505 01:05:40,422 --> 01:05:44,422 there, but he knew that he had lived in Colorado decades before. 1506 01:05:45,122 --> 01:05:48,952 Detective Kippel quickly traced Alan Phillips and discovered that he lived 1507 01:05:48,972 --> 01:05:53,662 just outside of Breckenridge, where he worked as a miner at a local mine. 1508 01:05:53,702 --> 01:06:00,365 He since… Where he had worked s- so he used to work as a miner, and he had 1509 01:06:00,365 --> 01:06:02,525 since opened a mechanic shop nearby. 1510 01:06:02,535 --> 01:06:02,565 Okay. 1511 01:06:02,625 --> 01:06:06,055 So he's a mechanic at this point in the 2020s. 1512 01:06:06,765 --> 01:06:11,405 Phillips had been arrested for burglary and assault in 1973 and had 1513 01:06:11,405 --> 01:06:15,745 provided a full confession detailing how he had attacked a young woman. 1514 01:06:16,975 --> 01:06:20,325 The first line of the confession read, quote, "This afternoon, 1515 01:06:20,335 --> 01:06:24,375 while driving home to Fairplay from Breckenridge, I saw a girl hitchhiking 1516 01:06:24,385 --> 01:06:26,005 on the south edge of Breckenridge. 1517 01:06:26,365 --> 01:06:27,635 I gave the girl a ride. 1518 01:06:28,005 --> 01:06:30,895 She said she was going to," blank redacted. 1519 01:06:30,895 --> 01:06:31,165 Mm-hmm. 1520 01:06:31,645 --> 01:06:36,515 "I told her I would take her to Fairplay." He went on to say that 1521 01:06:36,525 --> 01:06:40,785 he had stopped under the guise of dropping off a toolbox at this 1522 01:06:40,805 --> 01:06:43,495 unoccupied cabin o- next to the road. 1523 01:06:43,675 -->

01:06:48,398 The toolbox was actually his own, and he kind of, like, took the toolbox out, 1524 01:06:48,398 --> 01:06:53,238 pretended to knock on the door, and then returned to the car and said like, "Oh, 1525 01:06:53,238 --> 01:06:55,208 no one was home, so I can't drop it off." 1526 01:06:55,428 --> 01:06:59,148 He then, quote, "Turned and pulled the girl from the Jeep, 1527 01:06:59,408 --> 01:07:01,058 throwing her to her knees. 1528 01:07:01,328 --> 01:07:04,098 She fought, and I began to hit her with my hands. 1529 01:07:04,378 --> 01:07:07,008 She ran behind the Jeep, where I threw her down again. 1530 01:07:07,288 --> 01:07:08,548 She began to scream. 1531 01:07:08,738 --> 01:07:11,598 I knew there were people living in the area, and I panicked. 1532 01:07:11,928 --> 01:07:14,548 I picked up a rock and hit her several times. 1533 01:07:14,858 --> 01:07:18,738 When I realized that she was hurt and bleeding, I pulled her back besides 1534 01:07:18,738 --> 01:07:22,788 the Jeep, took a hammer from the toolbox, and led her to the cabin, 1535 01:07:23,068 --> 01:07:24,838 where I started to clean her head. 1536 01:07:25,398 --> 01:07:29,178 I tried to explain that I did not know why I had hurt her." 1537 01:07:29,938 --> 01:07:30,418 Repy: Dang. 1538 01:07:31,308 --> 01:07:31,598 Austyn: Yeah. 1539 01:07:32,836 --> 01:07:36,956 So no reason, he just all of a sudden attacks this woman. 1540 01:07:37,356 --> 01:07:37,606 Repy: Yeah. 1541 01:07:37,866 --> 01:07:41,006 Austyn: Phillips led the girl back to the Jeep and they continued 1542 01:07:41,016 --> 01:07:45,116 driving to Fair Play until she, quote, "Suddenly wanted out." 1543 01:07:46,026 --> 01:07:48,186 Repy: Phillips let- I mean, I'm surprised she still stayed. 1544 01:07:48,186 --> 01:07:49,696 I would've been like, "Goodbye." I, 1545 01:07:49,946 --> 01:07:52,886 Austyn: She was probably in shock because- Probably … you know, 1546 01:07:52,906 --> 01:07:56,686 that switch that happens when some people commit violence, this happens 1547 01:07:56,686 --> 01:07:58,246 a lot in domestic violence- Mm-hmm 1548 01:07:58,496 --> 01:08:01,926 where they lash out physically, and then they're like, "Oh, I'm so sorry. 1549 01:08:01,926 --> 01:08:03,086 I don't know why I did that. 1550 01:08:03,096 --> 01:08:04,016 Let me make it better. 1551 01:08:04,016 --> 01:08:06,726 Let me, like, clean your wounds," and like, "It's gonna be okay. 1552 01:08:06,726 --> 01:08:10,816 I'm gonna take care of you." So I think that, and like obviously 1553 01:08:10,816 --> 01:08:11,856 she was just hit in the head. 1554 01:08:11,856 --> 01:08:13,216 She was probably concussed. 1555 01:08:13,786 --> 01:08:13,966 Right. 1556 01:08:13,966 --> 01:08:16,016 She was just like, "I guess I'm just doing this." And 1557 01:08:16,016 --> 01:08:18,756 Repy: she's probably just like, "Well, if I get there, I'll know 1558 01:08:18,756 --> 01:08:22,426 where I can go," whereas like, "I don't know where I am right now." 1559 01:08:22,916 --> 01:08:23,116 Austyn: Yeah. 1560 01:08:23,236 --> 01:08:26,586 So He actually stops and lets her out of the car when she says- 1561 01:08:26,586 --> 01:08:27,506 Yeah … she wanted out of the car. 1562 01:08:27,706 --> 01:08:28,710 He came home. 1563 01:08:29,210 --> 01:08:32,930 He was very obviously shaken up, and his wife, 'cause he 1564 01:08:32,930 --> 01:08:34,370 was married, was like- Mm-hmm 1565 01:08:34,370 --> 01:08:40,030 "What is wrong with you?" He showered, and he told her, "Something happened. 1566 01:08:40,030 --> 01:08:43,600 The police are gonna come and get me." So he kind of prepared for that. 1567 01:08:43,740 --> 01:08:46,348 So his wife was kind of like, "What is going on?" And then all 1568 01:08:46,348 --> 01:08:47,427 of a sudden they come and get him. 1569 01:08:48,187 --> 01:08:53,318 They took him to a hospital where the victim positively identified 1570 01:08:53,318 --> 01:08:57,168 him, and then he gave a statement where he confessed to all of this. 1571 01:08:57,248 --> 01:08:58,197 Repy: Right, okay. 1572 01:08:59,037 --> 01:09:02,038 Austyn: Phillips served six months in jail for that attack. 1573 01:09:02,038 --> 01:09:02,217 What 1574 01:09:02,268 --> 01:09:03,158 Repy: the hell? 1575 01:09:03,617 --> 01:09:06,478 Austyn: Yeah, which is crazy, 'cause to me that seems like attempted murder. 1576 01:09:06,578 --> 01:09:08,240 Right … not, like an accident. 1577 01:09:08,690 --> 01:09:09,140 Repy: Yeah 1578 01:09:09,690 --> 01:09:10,700 … Austyn: so Detective Kipple- Like, people 1579 01:09:10,700 --> 01:09:13,070 Repy: get more for, like, having coke on them. 1580 01:09:13,630 --> 01:09:14,790 Austyn: Oh, absolutely. 1581 01:09:14,890 --> 01:09:15,070 Yeah. 1582 01:09:15,110 --> 01:09:20,257 Also side note, Detective Kipple, total badass, but she was like, she 1583 01:09:20,267 --> 01:09:23,207 had found like little traces of this and was like, "Okay, well there's this 1584 01:09:23,207 --> 01:09:25,057 arrest, but there's no file for it." 1585 01:09:25,057 --> 01:09:25,287 Right. 1586 01:09:25,287 --> 01:09:27,827 And she had gone and hunted down this file, and she was like, it 1587 01:09:27,827 --> 01:09:31,947 was literally the last one in, like, the- Oh … file cabinet. 1588 01:09:32,657 --> 01:09:34,417 She was like, "It was the very last one." Bless her. 1589 01:09:36,417 --> 01:09:41,297 Um, so she also learned that Phillips' name had come up in 1590 01:09:41,297 --> 01:09:44,037 the Breckenridge murders in 2005. 1591 01:09:44,417 --> 01:09:49,927 An anonymous caller had called Crime Stoppers, and the lead was 1592 01:09:49,927 --> 01:09:54,637 investigated, but they couldn't verify any connection between Phillips 1593 01:09:54,677 --> 01:09:57,107 and these people, so it went cold. 1594 01:09:57,207 --> 01:10:03,218 Almost 20 years later, Kipple and her team began surveilling Phillips, waiting 1595 01:10:03,218 --> 01:10:08,378 for him to throw away a straw, a tissue, anything they could

test for DNA. 1596 01:10:09,178 --> 01:10:13,044 To Kipple's dismay, it seemed that Phillips was careful not to throw away 1597 01:10:13,084 --> 01:10:15,054 anything that could contain his DNA. 1598 01:10:16,084 --> 01:10:20,314 Whether Phillips had been keeping all of his nasty rags to himself since the 1599 01:10:20,314 --> 01:10:25,724 dawn of DNA testing, or if he suspected that the CBI was onto him, is unclear. 1600 01:10:25,734 --> 01:10:29,724 Repy: What an interesting way to live your life, if that is true. 1601 01:10:30,174 --> 01:10:33,704 Yeah, and- You just keeping paper towels and stuff. 1602 01:10:33,914 --> 01:10:35,374 Austyn: I guess. 1603 01:10:35,774 --> 01:10:35,984 And- 1604 01:10:35,984 --> 01:10:36,494 Repy: Burning it? 1605 01:10:36,514 --> 01:10:41,284 Austyn: So at this point, Phillips was a hermit, basically. 1606 01:10:41,284 --> 01:10:43,044 That's how Kipple described him. 1607 01:10:43,054 --> 01:10:48,165 Mm. He rarely interacted with other people, and he stayed close to home. 1608 01:10:48,665 --> 01:10:52,754 They said that he literally never threw trash away 1609 01:10:53,976 --> 01:10:55,026 Repy: What a weirdo 1610 01:10:55,046 --> 01:10:58,946 Austyn: And to this day, Kipple is like, "I don't know what he did with his trash." 1611 01:10:59,596 --> 01:11:02,306 Repy: He must have burned it, but still, like… 1612 01:11:02,676 --> 01:11:06,289 Austyn: But, like, they were out- sitting outside his house for so long, 1613 01:11:06,299 --> 01:11:08,419 and they're like, "We didn't see smoke." 1614 01:11:08,589 --> 01:11:08,859 Right. 1615 01:11:08,859 --> 01:11:11,929 "We never saw… There were no trash cans. Nothing came out of that house." Do you 1616 01:11:11,949 --> 01:11:12,859 Repy: think he ate it? 1617 01:11:12,959 --> 01:11:13,305 What could 1618 01:11:13,305 --> 01:11:13,620 Austyn: he have done? 1619 01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:16,100 I, that's what I was gonna say, like, is he just eating everything? 1620 01:11:16,110 --> 01:11:16,130 Yeah. 1621 01:11:16,140 --> 01:11:20,820 Is he living, like, the most sustainable trash free- Is he 1622 01:11:20,860 --> 01:11:22,220 Repy: burying it all? 1623 01:11:22,480 --> 01:11:22,835 … free life ever? 1624 01:11:22,835 --> 01:11:23,160 Like, what? 1625 01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:24,990 Austyn: I mean, that's a possibility. 1626 01:11:25,030 --> 01:11:25,630 Repy: Yeah. 1627 01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:27,980 Austyn: I have no idea, but, like, strange. 1628 01:11:27,980 --> 01:11:33,300 So you have to wonder, like, if he knew- Yeah … that this was going on. 1629 01:11:34,440 --> 01:11:39,370 After five weeks of sitting in unmarked police cruisers and wondering 1630 01:11:39,380 --> 01:11:43,970 what Phillips did with his trash, Kipple thought she may get a break. 1631 01:11:44,570 --> 01:11:50,230 Investigators saw Phillips leave his home and drive straight to a Sonic drive-in. 1632 01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:50,270 Oh, no. 1633 01:11:51,050 --> 01:11:54,500 They watched him order his food and eat it. 1634 01:11:55,470 --> 01:11:57,230 They were racked with suspense. 1635 01:11:57,230 --> 01:12:00,710 They're like, "Okay, he's getting his food. He's eating it." And then 1636 01:12:01,440 --> 01:12:02,850 he didn't throw his trash away. 1637 01:12:02,860 --> 01:12:03,630 Repy: No. 1638 01:12:05,820 --> 01:12:10,340 Austyn: Defeated, the officers continued to follow Phillips to a local post 1639 01:12:10,340 --> 01:12:16,880 office location, where he entered with his Sonic bag and left without it. 1640 01:12:17,650 --> 01:12:18,060 Repy: Get it. 1641 01:12:18,190 --> 01:12:19,050 Austyn: Get it, get it, get it. 1642 01:12:19,060 --> 01:12:23,860 Within moments of Phillips pulling away from the post office, officers had 1643 01:12:23,860 --> 01:12:26,460 recovered the discarded fast food bag. 1644 01:12:26,460 --> 01:12:26,716 Hell yeah. 1645 01:12:26,716 --> 01:12:29,660 And they have a picture of it sitting in the trash can in the post office. 1646 01:12:29,660 --> 01:12:30,180 Oh my 1647 01:12:30,220 --> 01:12:30,970 Repy: gosh. 1648 01:12:31,900 --> 01:12:36,970 Austyn: Those five weeks of work paid off when a DNA lab was able to successfully 1649 01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:41,830 isolate Phillips' DNA from a bit of saliva on a napkin from inside the bag. 1650 01:12:43,390 --> 01:12:47,220 He was a match to the blood from Bobbie Jo's crime scene. 1651 01:12:47,370 --> 01:12:48,840 Repy: Oh my God. 1652 01:12:48,870 --> 01:12:49,420 Austyn: Yes. 1653 01:12:49,770 --> 01:12:54,190 In photos taken from Allen Lee Phillips' arrest, the 70-year-old's 1654 01:12:54,190 --> 01:12:57,650 mouth hangs open aghast and in total shock- He can't believe 1655 01:12:57,650 --> 01:12:57,940 Repy: it 1656 01:12:58,440 --> 01:13:02,070 … Austyn: right, as he's put into handcuffs by none other than 1657 01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:04,100 Wendy motherfucking Kipple. 1658 01:13:04,100 --> 01:13:04,680 Repy: Hell yeah. 1659 01:13:05,020 --> 01:13:05,850 Get his ass. 1660 01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:06,690 Austyn: Yes. 1661 01:13:07,570 --> 01:13:11,390 It had been 40 years since the murders- Oh my gosh … of Bobbie 1662 01:13:11,420 --> 01:13:13,720 Jo Oberholtzer and Annette Schnee. 1663 01:13:14,430 --> 01:13:14,790 Repy: Damn. 1664 01:13:14,790 --> 01:13:20,848 Austyn: Yeah In the wake of Alan Lee Phillips' arrest, Fire Chief Dave 1665 01:13:20,868 --> 01:13:26,748 Montoya thought back to the night of January 6th, 1982, and remembered 1666 01:13:26,748 --> 01:13:28,908 rescuing Phillips from the snowbank. 1667 01:13:28,978 --> 01:13:30,708 Repy: Oh my God. 1668 01:13:31,358 --> 01:13:35,378 Austyn: Montoya had briefly worked with Phillips in the local mines, 1669 01:13:35,418 --> 01:13:37,478 and immediately recognized him. 1670 01:13:38,128 --> 01:13:41,948 Phillips told Montoya that he had gone out drinking and had decided 1671 01:13:41,948 --> 01:13:46,268 to take the pass so he wouldn't get pulled over driving on the highway. 1672 01:13:47,178 -->

01:13:52,598 40 years later, Montoya recalled the cut on Phillips' face and realized that 1673 01:13:52,608 --> 01:13:54,838 he hadn't slipped and hit his head. 1674 01:13:54,848 --> 01:13:54,938 Oh, 1675 01:13:54,938 --> 01:13:55,168 Repy: wow. 1676 01:13:56,208 --> 01:14:02,108 Austyn: That cut was the last action of Bobbi Jo Oberholtzer, her final attempt 1677 01:14:02,168 --> 01:14:05,138 to protect herself and save her own life. 1678 01:14:05,248 --> 01:14:06,688 Repy: Oh my gosh. 1679 01:14:06,778 --> 01:14:07,028 Yeah. 1680 01:14:07,028 --> 01:14:07,878 That's devastating. 1681 01:14:08,328 --> 01:14:09,088 Austyn: It is. 1682 01:14:09,168 --> 01:14:13,278 Montoya stated, quote, "If I had known what I know then, I 1683 01:14:13,278 --> 01:14:14,618 probably would have left him." 1684 01:14:15,128 --> 01:14:15,538 Repy: Hell yeah. 1685 01:14:18,116 --> 01:14:23,596 Austyn: On August 31st, 2022, testimony in Phillips' jury trial began. 1686 01:14:24,696 --> 01:14:27,576 Phillips pleaded not guilty to both murders. 1687 01:14:28,076 --> 01:14:32,736 The defense focused back on Jeff Oberholtzer, the man who had seemed 1688 01:14:32,766 --> 01:14:35,826 like such a clear suspect in 1982. 1689 01:14:35,896 --> 01:14:35,926 Right. 1690 01:14:36,186 --> 01:14:40,919 Jeff had remarried, but he had never let go of Bobbie Jo or her murder. 1691 01:14:41,359 --> 01:14:45,712 He had kept- the case alive, never letting the rumors and opinions of 1692 01:14:45,712 --> 01:14:49,492 locals stop him from making sure that Bobbie Jo wasn't forgotten. 1693 01:14:49,912 --> 01:14:53,512 Repy: And this poor guy didn't do it, and half the town thought he did. 1694 01:14:53,692 --> 01:14:54,482 Austyn: Yeah. 1695 01:14:54,672 --> 01:14:58,272 He said, quote, "Once you give someone your love, you never take 1696 01:14:58,272 --> 01:15:00,262 it back, and I don't want to." 1697 01:15:00,272 --> 01:15:00,282 Aw. 1698 01:15:00,732 --> 01:15:04,722 "There's a special place in my heart, and Bobbie will always be there." 1699 01:15:05,802 --> 01:15:09,842 During Phillips' trial, the defense asserted that Jeff Oberholtzer had 1700 01:15:09,852 --> 01:15:15,282 motive to kill Bobbie Jo because she had, of all things, brought home cold 1701 01:15:15,322 --> 01:15:17,122 pizza the night before her murder. 1702 01:15:17,132 --> 01:15:17,992 Repy: Oh, yeah. 1703 01:15:18,352 --> 01:15:18,912 Austyn: Yeah, right? 1704 01:15:18,922 --> 01:15:19,162 Repy: Classic. 1705 01:15:20,042 --> 01:15:24,102 Austyn: The defense also questioned Jeff about his premonition, claiming that 1706 01:15:24,112 --> 01:15:27,702 only the killer would have been able to know roughly where Annette's body would 1707 01:15:27,712 --> 01:15:32,292 be found, although it didn't explain him knowing the approximate date that 1708 01:15:32,302 --> 01:15:34,052 her body would be discovered, and also 1709 01:15:34,152 --> 01:15:35,663 he was three miles off. 1710 01:15:35,823 --> 01:15:36,243 Repy: Yeah. 1711 01:15:36,293 --> 01:15:37,983 Austyn: So he didn't know exactly. 1712 01:15:37,993 --> 01:15:39,213 You know, it's, it's a whole thing. 1713 01:15:39,553 --> 01:15:44,500 In the end, the DNA evidence outweighed any speculation about Jeff's pizza 1714 01:15:44,500 --> 01:15:46,710 preferences or psychic abilities. 1715 01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:47,150 Repy: Right. 1716 01:15:48,230 --> 01:15:53,170 Austyn: On September 15th, 2022, Allen Lee Phillips was found guilty 1717 01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:57,480 of two counts of first-degree murder and six additional charges after 1718 01:15:57,480 --> 01:15:59,860 four hours of jury deliberation. 1719 01:16:00,620 --> 01:16:04,790 Jeff Oberholtzer and Annette Schnee's sisters shared a moment of relief, 1720 01:16:05,110 --> 01:16:09,820 followed by a wave of empathy when they f- noticed Phillips' daughter 1721 01:16:09,870 --> 01:16:11,410 crying- Oh … in the gallery. 1722 01:16:12,440 --> 01:16:16,200 Just over seven weeks later, Phillips was sentenced to serve two 1723 01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:20,320 consecutive life sentences in prison without the possibility of parole. 1724 01:16:21,090 --> 01:16:26,970 Phillips died by suicide on February 27th, 2023, at the Arkansas Valley 1725 01:16:26,970 --> 01:16:31,580 Correctional Facility after having served just two years behind bars 1726 01:16:32,502 --> 01:16:32,772 Repy: Little 1727 01:16:32,802 --> 01:16:34,812 Austyn: bitch He couldn't take it. 1728 01:16:35,042 --> 01:16:35,422 No. 1729 01:16:35,432 --> 01:16:36,622 He was not tough enough. 1730 01:16:36,742 --> 01:16:40,711 Today a large wooden cross marks where Bobbi Jo's body was found, 1731 01:16:40,721 --> 01:16:44,161 and a small black cross marks where Annette's body was recovered. 1732 01:16:44,501 --> 01:16:48,311 Following Phillips' conviction, Annette's two sisters and her brother 1733 01:16:48,321 --> 01:16:53,371 visited both sites to thank Bobbi Jo for fighting back and leaving the evidence 1734 01:16:53,371 --> 01:16:58,231 that convicted- Yeah … Phillips, and to tell Annette that her killer 1735 01:16:58,241 --> 01:17:00,851 had finally been brought to justice. 1736 01:17:01,091 --> 01:17:01,451 Repy: Oh. 1737 01:17:01,701 --> 01:17:05,651 Austyn: Investigators believe that Allen Lee Phillips likely committed 1738 01:17:05,661 --> 01:17:09,961 additional murders before his arrest, but no potential leads have been 1739 01:17:09,961 --> 01:17:11,921 publicly announced at this time. 1740 01:17:12,711 --> 01:17:17,397 The CBI Investigators do think that he was a serial killer. 1741 01:17:17,897 --> 01:17:18,307 Repy: Yeah. 1742 01:17:18,677 --> 01:17:18,877 Ugh. 1743 01:17:18,947 --> 01:17:19,267 Austyn: Yeah. 1744 01:17:19,917 --> 01:17:20,307 Repy: What a piece of shit. 1745 01:17:20,437 --> 01:17:20,937 Austyn: So, yeah. 1746 01:17:21,111 --> 01:17:25,871 And I mean, for it to go for so long, and just- Mm … the way 1747 01:17:25,871 --> 01:17:29,511 that everything happened, like the Sonic bag,

him not throwing out his 1748 01:17:29,691 --> 01:17:32,293 trash- Yes … the psychic aspect. 1749 01:17:32,313 --> 01:17:32,953 Like it's- 1750 01:17:33,003 --> 01:17:33,443 Repy: Yeah, 1751 01:17:33,443 --> 01:17:35,113 Austyn: It's such a wild story. 1752 01:17:35,363 --> 01:17:36,693 And the socks. 1753 01:17:36,983 --> 01:17:37,333 Yeah. 1754 01:17:37,333 --> 01:17:40,583 Because without the socks they would've just been like, "Oh yeah, two 1755 01:17:40,583 --> 01:17:44,283 girls went missing in a blizzard and someone- Right … killed them," right? 1756 01:17:44,643 --> 01:17:44,883 Repy: Yeah. 1757 01:17:45,781 --> 01:17:48,141 Austyn: But the orange socks 1758 01:17:48,191 --> 01:17:49,361 Repy: The orange sock connected them 1759 01:17:49,361 --> 01:17:50,181 … Austyn: linked them. 1760 01:17:50,311 --> 01:17:50,851 Yeah. 1761 01:17:51,331 --> 01:17:51,631 Repy: It's insane. 1762 01:17:51,641 --> 01:17:55,830 Austyn: So absolutely crazy, and also not like, orange socks are a 1763 01:17:55,830 --> 01:17:58,310 thing with, like, Henry Lee Lucas. 1764 01:17:58,770 --> 01:17:59,200 Oh, yes. 1765 01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:02,210 Because one of his victims was referred to as Orange Socks. 1766 01:18:03,010 --> 01:18:03,840 It's just weird. 1767 01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:04,500 It's like this- It is 1768 01:18:04,500 --> 01:18:04,850 Repy: weird 1769 01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:07,440 … Austyn: true crime thing that keeps popping up. 1770 01:18:07,540 --> 01:18:08,120 Repy: Yes. 1771 01:18:08,130 --> 01:18:11,820 Austyn: So weird kind of like synchronicity there, but yeah. 1772 01:18:11,930 --> 01:18:16,490 Finally, after 40 years- Solved … they were able to solve this murder. 1773 01:18:17,030 --> 01:18:17,240 Damn. 1774 01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:18,070 DNA, man. 1775 01:18:18,450 --> 01:18:18,590 I 1776 01:18:19,320 --> 01:18:19,655 Repy: mean- It'll get 1777 01:18:19,655 --> 01:18:19,930 Austyn: ya. 1778 01:18:19,930 --> 01:18:23,940 I know, and it's getting so good- Lots of people … and so much, 1779 01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:28,483 it's really just a matter of time for all of this evidence to be run 1780 01:18:28,483 --> 01:18:30,523 through- Right … the matches, right? 1781 01:18:31,243 --> 01:18:37,103 So and then this case in particular, like the genetic testing company 1782 01:18:37,103 --> 01:18:42,833 that they used, they used like those publicly available, like Ancestry- Right 1783 01:18:43,423 --> 01:18:44,863 23andMe, all of that. 1784 01:18:45,263 --> 01:18:46,476 That is what they draw from. 1785 01:18:46,476 --> 01:18:51,596 So it- Mm-hmm … always just amazes me, because I think about, like, how 1786 01:18:51,596 --> 01:18:54,916 long is it gonna take until every- a bit of everyone's DNA is in there. 1787 01:18:54,916 --> 01:18:55,276 DNA is, yeah. 1788 01:18:55,286 --> 01:19:00,006 Like, just, just like even distant relatives, like, that you can trace back. 1789 01:19:00,006 --> 01:19:01,906 So it just keeps going. 1790 01:19:01,916 --> 01:19:01,946 Right. 1791 01:19:02,406 --> 01:19:02,576 Repy: Yep. 1792 01:19:02,596 --> 01:19:03,096 Austyn: Yeah. 1793 01:19:03,526 --> 01:19:08,156 So you, I mean, you could definitely make a case that maybe from a privacy 1794 01:19:08,156 --> 01:19:11,426 standpoint we don't love it, but- Hmm, but you know- … when it comes to 1795 01:19:11,426 --> 01:19:12,331 this kind of stuff … when it comes 1796 01:19:12,331 --> 01:19:14,236 Repy: to murder, though, I like it. 1797 01:19:14,586 --> 01:19:15,506 Austyn: Yeah, exactly. 1798 01:19:15,526 --> 01:19:17,326 I like it in this context a lot. 1799 01:19:17,336 --> 01:19:17,516 Yes. 1800 01:19:19,706 --> 01:19:24,336 So those are our cold cases that have now been solved. 1801 01:19:24,506 --> 01:19:24,616 Repy: Yes. 1802 01:19:24,616 --> 01:19:24,676 Austyn: Yay. 1803 01:19:24,686 --> 01:19:27,806 We went hot, cold- Cold … warm. 1804 01:19:28,456 --> 01:19:29,046 Repy: Ooh. 1805 01:19:29,056 --> 01:19:29,086 Hot. 1806 01:19:29,626 --> 01:19:30,146 Austyn: Yep. 1807 01:19:30,676 --> 01:19:31,526 Explosion. 1808 01:19:32,006 --> 01:19:32,066 Yes. 1809 01:19:33,416 --> 01:19:36,146 So happy endings on this one. 1810 01:19:36,406 --> 01:19:42,627 Um- Yeah … next time we have a, uh, a lighter topic. 1811 01:19:43,147 --> 01:19:45,302 But that Is it for this one. 1812 01:19:45,302 --> 01:19:45,572 That's it. 1813 01:19:45,572 --> 01:19:45,682 Repy: That's 1814 01:19:45,682 --> 01:19:45,722 Austyn: it, yeah. 1815 01:19:45,732 --> 01:19:46,192 That is it. 1816 01:19:47,672 --> 01:19:47,962 Repy: Excellent. 1817 01:19:48,652 --> 01:19:48,952 Austyn: Yes. 1818 01:19:49,092 --> 01:19:54,036 If You want to follow the show, we are ghoultalkpod on most things. 1819 01:19:54,136 --> 01:19:56,546 Mm-hmm you can follow us there. 1820 01:19:56,576 --> 01:19:59,776 I am hiitsaustin on all the social media. 1821 01:20:00,646 --> 01:20:01,056 Repy: Mm-hmm. 1822 01:20:01,056 --> 01:20:03,526 I am reppilikepeppi on everything. 1823 01:20:04,386 --> 01:20:06,606 Austyn: Okay, and- Ooh … I think that's it. 1824 01:20:07,306 --> 01:20:07,866 Repy: Yeah, I think so. 1825 01:20:08,466 --> 01:20:09,706 Austyn: That's it for now. 1826 01:20:09,716 --> 01:20:09,746 Okay. 1827 01:20:09,756 --> 01:20:11,076 We will see you next time. 1828 01:20:11,086 --> 01:20:11,106 Bye. 1829 01:20:11,146 --> 01:20:12,986 Happy hauntings, everyone. 1830 01:20:13,636 --> 01:20:14,446 Bye.