Full Transcript for Conor McGregor’s ACL Nightmare & The Pinnacle of the Cleveland Browns

the Mayweather and and McGregor fights. It was fantastic. 'Cause that's what they do. They hate the fight. That that's that's that's the money right there. It's not the fight, it's the lead up to it. speaker-1: And that is something I will give y like him or hate him, Connor McGregor knows how to put butts in seats. Yeah. Either you're in those seats because you want to see McGregor beat the crap out of somebody, or you want to see someone beat the crap out of McGregor. But either way, you're in that seat. And I think that's a lost art in a lot of seats. speaker-0: Boxers. It's I mean UFC they I mean the guys like him and even to a point same with like Floyd Mayweather, they took what wrestling used to be able to do and they increased it by tenfold. They made you hate them to want to watch them lose. He will sell money, man. Bad guys are the ticket draw. The bad guys are the guys that sell the tickets because they make you want to watch them to make them want to lose. speaker-1: It's not confined to anyone's sport. Heck ⁓ shit. I'm blanking on his name. The ⁓ Dale Earnhardt, the Eliminator. Back in the day, he was like the biggest heel at ⁓ speaker-0: Richard Petty, man. Richard Petty was an asshole when he was driving. speaker-1: He was an asshole because he always beat people. speaker-0: Yeah, 'cause he's always putting ⁓ into walls. That's where Dale Earnhardt learned it from. Dale Earnhardt learned it from Richard Petty. Like, it's the same thing. Yeah, it doesn't matter what sport it is. The dudes that are the dirty the the guys that bend the rules just enough but don't actually break ⁓ are the guys you want to see lose. speaker-1: Yeah. 'Cause you know what a bent rule is. It's a slingshot across the finish line. speaker-0: Right. So it's it the bad guys are the ones that most are the ones for the most part that draw the money to the sport 'cause they're the ones that everyone wants to see lose. It's like dynasties in like football and basketball. Yeah. They're the ones that everyone's chasing to beat. They're the ones that draw the tickets. speaker-1: Yep. And it yeah, and like dynasties, you either you get the butts in the seats because you either want to see the the winning streak continue or you want to see someone snap the winning streak. Either way. speaker-0: Right. So it's that same kind of principle, man. It it's fantastic. And that's I mean, McGregor was the latest one that could do that in the UFC. Floyd Mother Bo Floyd Mayweather did that in boxing. Tyson did that in boxing. Like I mean, you've had guys throughout the history of boxing, wrestling and all that do it. Like I mean, McGregor's been the latest one to do it in in the UFC. Like no one's really accomplished that feat in UFC since McGregor to reach that level. speaker-1: ⁓ my God, Tyson. speaker-0: So speaker-1: ⁓ but moving on to our next story. Yesterday we had the home run derby at Citizens Park in Philly. The Derby came down to Cardinals outfielder Jordan Walker and

Philly's designated hitter Kyle Schwarber. Schwarber put up an amazing number of ⁓ amazing numbers, hitting a total of eleven home runs, but Walker home runned twelve. Including his final six swings and four do or die swings in the bonus round. And I promise you that is not why Pete is not here tonight. speaker-0: No, it it's not. But that was that was absolutely fantastic. And honestly, I like the new format and the new layout. I think a lot of people love the new format and layout. Because basically the new format is you get fifteen swings, and when you get down to the last one, as long as you keep hitting home runs, you can keep going. Which is what happened with Jordan Walker. He got down to one and only had seven. And then he kept hitting home runs at that point and won the home run derby while with hitting twelve. It was fantastic and it it was absolutely amazing. The unfortunate part of the home run derby is that A, the camera angles and the camera work was dreadful. Absolutely dreadful. Like whoever was in charge of the shots and producing it didn't do a good job of it. And B, they put it on Netflix. They didn't put it on just regular television. And now I know a lot of people have Netflix, but still there's no reason why this shouldn't be just on regular network television. Absolutely none. Like I know Major League Baseball wants to get as much money as they can, and so do all sports like this. But when it comes to the all star game and stuff like this, it's ridiculous that this isn't on just like Fox or NBC or just a regular network television that anybody can get. It would bring so much more into it, especially with baseball, which is supposed to be just America's game, and it's really not anymore. Like it's I'd probably say third place behind honestly football and college football behind the NFL. speaker-1: 'cause I don't play football in college football. speaker-0: Yeah, behind the I because I don't think it I honestly I think it's ahead of the NBA and the NHL. I really do. As much as I love the NBA and basketball, it's probably ahead of both of ⁓ It's probably behind college football and the NFL. It's the only two sports it's ahead of it's behind. speaker-1: I'll give I I would give you both football. I would put it I'd I'd give it a tie between NBA and ⁓ L B. speaker-0: Maybe it it's it's hard to t it's hard to tell sometimes because yeah, because I feel like the MLB streaming packages are harder because they're also ⁓ like MLB is so much more of a marathon because it's like you have to almost fly because it runs every single day from like April until October, it's like you have to be like you have to be committed to it. speaker-1: It's apples and oranges. speaker-0: At least with the NBA and like NHL, like they play like twice a week, three times a week. So you can you get a couple of days of riot rest. But I don't know. Like it it it's it's good that it's coming back and that it is popular and like they've also baseball's made a

commitment to kind of modernize the game and some of the roles and kind of change some things and loosen some things up. And I do also feel like it's nice that we're also getting more talent that's kind of from the US because for such a long time A lot of the major talent was all like was from like the you know it was from the outside of the US. We didn't have a lot of major talent that was American born and that was a big problem for the for baseball. And they also didn't just advertise them either. You didn't know who a lot of the big players were because they just did a terrible job of promoting their players. I feel like Major League Baseball is getting better at it. Or it's just the players themselves are getting better at advertising themselves. One of the two. But either way, we're getting to know who the players are more And it's good for the game and it's good for the sport. That the players themselves are getting out there better and they're more recognizable. So I mean that it's just it's it's better all the way around. And this was so much fun to watch this. Like I I loved the home run derby. It was so much fun to watch. And the fact that Jordan Walker won it, who was a big underdog and like when they s when they announced that he was one the participants, they were s surprised because he until this season He wasn't someone that had been playing well in the majors. He'd been kind of having a really rough time the last couple of years and had didn't been kind of thought to be on his way out if he didn't produce here real soon. And then he started producing this season. So I mean, that's great for him. I'm happy that we have someone that was a younger player that's finally producing and now has a home run derby championship. So 'cause they even said in the broadcast at one point that Some of the guys that are like some of the home run leaders all time have never won a home run derby. I think Albert Pujols, I think they said was one of them that had never won the home run derby. And he had over seven hundred career home runs. And he's never gone a won a home run derby. speaker-1: Now is this Jordan Walker's new to the league, right? He's speaker-0: I think he's been called up for a coup like a season or two. Like he's fairly new though. Like he's not been in the league for very long. So at at most I think he's been in at most two or three seasons, at absolute most three. But he's pretty new. Almost. speaker-1: Yeah. For the Cardinals. Yeah. Yeah, it looks like he's ⁓ this is his second year can consecutively. It looks like he's dabbled. He's like gone up and down a few times, but significant time this is his second year. speaker-0: Yeah, like I knew he kinda c had been called up and then sent back down. Like he's kind of gone back and forth between the major leagues and Triple A and stuff, but this was this was the first season where he's actually done really well in major league baseball. In the major leagues. So and Cardinals themselves are doing pretty well this year too. So hopefully we'll see. Maybe they can make a playoff run this year too. speaker-1: Well, Jordan Walker, you've officially stamped your ticket. I don't think they can send you down to the miners after this one. speaker-0: Not for this one, no. Definitely not. speaker-1: ⁓ but that brings us into the next segment of our podcast, a word from our sponsor. speaker-0: Hey guys, what's up? Before we continue our show, I want to talk to you about our new sponsor, Dubby. You ever feel like you need that extra own foot to power through those late night study sessions, clutch those game wins, or finish that epic video edit? 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It's definitely been a game changer for us and I'm stoked to be sharing it with the rest of you. Now, let's go ahead and get back to our show. speaker-1: In there. All right. ⁓ that brings us to the World Cup update. We are in the semifinals. Earlier today, Spain won over France two to nothing. And tomorrow, England will play Argentina with the winner of the England Argentina game going on to play Spain this weekend in the final game of the FIFA World Cup. I'm over it. I don't I'm done with soccer. speaker-0: Are you done 'cause the US is out? speaker-1: Well yeah, pretty much. I d I don't have an underdog to root for anymore. They're all it's the same old it's the same old Sun. speaker-0: England hasn't been this far in a while. speaker-1: ⁓ yeah, okay. speaker-0: England En England hasn't had a good team. Like they've always had a a decent team, but they haven't been this far in a long time. speaker-1: I suppose you're right. I always I always just associate England with good soc or good speaker-0: Right. I mean we usually do, but as I mean England hasn't had isn't England hasn't won a World Cup, I think, since like the sixties. speaker-1: Good God, has it been that long? speaker-0: forget when the last time yeah, nineteen sixty six was the last time the England won the World Cup. speaker-1: Which is crazy

because they have so many football clubs in in England. They're speaker-0: Right. You that's right. I mean that's that's the co that's the crazy thing. Like you would think that they would have like they would always be there, but they haven't actually won a World Cup in decades. speaker-1: See, to me, ⁓ assembling a tea a f a soccer team in England would be the same as putting together an international football t or a NFL team in America. And this like we could just cherry pick the crap out of our teams and just kick ass. speaker-0: I Argentinans like Argentina's by far the best team that's left, by far. speaker-1: Yeah. I would say Argentina over Spain and then I guess yeah, I guess you're right. I'm surprised England made it this far, but still speaker-0: Yeah. I guess I mean, according to Google, like the teams that are left is Spain, Argentina, then England. So But yeah, I mean speaker-1: So Google has Spain over Argentina? speaker-0: Yeah. I guess I guess Spain's I guess Argentina's primarily bolstered by Messi since Messi's from Argentina. speaker-1: We'll see. I guess I guess on that note I do have an underdog left to root for, so go England. speaker-0: the underdog, but yeah, it's Spain is ⁓ apparently according to Google, Spain is the widely cons is widely considered the the most informed team remaining. So but ⁓ 'cause I guess France was the favorite going into the World Cup, apparently. So France was n apparently the quote unquote I guess we you know in c by US terms, France was the number one seed going into the World Cup. speaker-1: And they lost two to nothing. Dang. That's harsh. speaker-0: So I don't know. We'll see, but I don't know, it'd be kinda interesting to to see what happens, but speaker-1: Not not optimistic. speaker-0: I don't know. It's just it's kinda interesting. I was it's been a interesting World Cup though to be to be to say the least. And it's been kinda fun to to see it and to to see the reactions and to to just to watch. So it'll be have they announced where it's supposed to be in the next one? Like who's supposed to be hosting? speaker-1: ⁓ yeah, they for sure know because ⁓ they have countries competing for the twenty thirty two FIFA. Okay. So they for sure have intermedi the in between. speaker-0: Twenty eight. speaker-1: Yeah. 'Cause that was one of the big news stories is they saw how profitable the FIFA was in the United States. So now they're trying to do it again already. It's like they're trying to get right back into it. Like ⁓ the US and other countries. speaker-0: ⁓ the US is I mean, so here's the big difference between the US though and other countries. Most countries don't have the infrastructure already in place that the US has. Correct. Like because as we've seen with a bunch of other countries, like especially with like Brazil and like Qatar and these other countries that have hosted it, they have to build a bunch of stadiums to host it. The US already has all the stadiums already there. We don't have to build anything. Like I think we talked about this on the last show last week. Like, dude, between college stadi between actual like MLS stadiums and NFL stadiums and MLB stadiums and college stadiums, we don't need to build we already have everything we need here to do this. Like we don't have to build anything. Whereas most other countries have to build stadiums when they get selected to host this. Like that's the big difference. Like that's the only real reason that it's profitable here in the US. Because the infrastructure that's needed to do it already exists. Like ninety-five percent of the rest of the world has to build a lot of the infrastructure needed. And then when it's over, it sits there empty and it then it just d dilapidates and is just falls apart. Yep. Like that's the problem with a lot of it, is that it's just gone to waste. I think Brazil's the same way. Or maybe that was the Olympics or something like that. Like that was the problem with the Olympics and all the stuff. Brazil had to build a lot of it and they couldn't in time to do it. Like that's the problem with some with some of these countries is they they go into debt so bad to host some of this stuff, is that they can't do it. And like I don't wanna I'm not trying to talk down on some of this stuff, but it's just like their infrastructure needed to host some of these these massive events like this. I don't think is fully thought through when they place these bids to do it. Like they see the monetary gain that can be there, but they don't really truly see what it takes to do it. And the countries that host it to get the monetary gain already have the full infrastructure behind it or at least ninety to ninety five percent of the infrastructure already in place to do it. And it that's one thing that the US does already have is like that infrastructure is pretty much already there. The problem is the problem is is depending on where you're at, you gotta travel a long ways to go to different places. And people don't quite realize just how far you gotta travel sometimes. speaker-1: Percent. that's the thing that I thought was funny. For this year, the FIFA World Cup, they still had to incorporate Mexico and Canada into the schedule for these games. And I was like, Why? I guarantee you we're not short on stadiums. Why do we have to incorporate Mexico and Canada into this? speaker-0: It was kinda cool to incorporate Mexico and Canada to have them like in Toronto and like Mexico City. Yeah. Like it w so I I get why you would have included it because I think it was part of North America as well. Also because Canada and Mexico also ⁓ qualified for the World Cup. So if you're already gonna be here, I mean give them give the give the country some of some home games too. So seems fair. speaker-1: ⁓ but that brings us into the pinnacle where we examine a specific team of the NFL and speculate on the best player for each skill position. This week we examine the ⁓ Cleveland

Browns. Adam, what are your thoughts on the quarterback position of the Cleveland Browns? speaker-0: Alright. So normally I try not to go like super super far back because it's hard to judge players that we didn't see play and could and can't truly get a grip on like how they played and how the game was when you go too far back because it's so much different once you get too far removed just from like our generations and how it was. Like Even kind of last week with like the Steelers, like even with the way Terry Bradshaw and then played in the seventies is so much different than how we play nowadays. But when you're we talking about the Cleveland Browns and quarterbacks, there's really only one option, and that's Otto Graham, who played from forty six to fifty-five before the NFL was a thing, and then into when the NFL formed in fifty like when they went into the NFL, the Browns did. But it's like when I'm looking at the rest of the team. This dude was amazing back in that time frame. Like absolutely like probably if he play he could probably play today. If you took him and like from just from the stats, because obviously there's no video of him playing, but just looking at the stats and what looks like the style that he played, you could probably put him in today's NFL and he'd be a top ten quarterback today without any problems. Like so 'Cause again, back in that time frame, again it was more of a a bit more of a ground and pound style game. They threw like they still threw a bit more then, but not nearly the way they throw now. This dude had over twenty three thousand yards and a hundred and seventy four touchdowns again in the forties and fifties. That's better than dudes in the seventies and eighties did. Like he still holds the all time record for mo for the most yards per attempt at nine. There were multiple seasons where for a full season he was averaging over ten yards a pass attempt. They don't do that now. Like that's insane. He was a five time all pro and a five time pro bowler in in just the NFL. And if if you counted ever the sta the awards before the NFL, he had three more all pro teams before the NFL even formed. Like it's insane. speaker-1: I have a funny note I want to inject right here. It's that he has five Pro Bowls in his 10-year career. And you want to know why? It's because they invented the Pro Bowl during his fifth year of playing in the league. And from the invention of the Pro Bowl, he was always a Pro Bowler. So the only reason he wasn't a Pro Bowler every year is because they hadn't invented it yet. speaker-0: And he the f he also retired after making the all pro first team. Yep. He also never won an MVP because the a MVP award as they actually know it wasn't even invented yet. Otherwise he would have absolutely been an MVP. He led the league in passing multiple seasons, throwing for over two thousand yards of seven seasons. Like this dude was just an absolute monster playing. Like again, you could put him in today's

game and I bet I would guarantee you he'd throw for he'd probably average four thousand yards a season in today's NFL without any problem. Like even on the Bears he'd probably be throwing for four thousand yards. Like this dude was absolutely insane. speaker-1: Unless you just be unless you're Chicago Bears. ⁓ speaker-0: And he'd probably be a multi time MVP as well, because like I said, the only reason he didn't win an MVP is 'cause it hadn't even been invented. He retired two years before the award even existed. speaker-1: So ⁓ in case it's not obvious, I also picked Autogram for this. In his ten year career, he hit the championship of his time seven times. That's like seven ⁓ seventy percent of your career was in the Super Bowl. speaker-0: Better than Tom Brady and Peyton Manning combined. speaker-1: ⁓ I do want to give a quick honorable mention to Brian Sype, ⁓ who had slightly more yards than Autogram, but nowhere near the talent level. And he he got speaker-0: An MVP. speaker-1: And ⁓ Brian Sype does hold the record, y ⁓ yards record for the Browns, ⁓ also because I'm nostalgic, Bernie Kozar, and ⁓ Baker Mayfield because I am also very present minded. speaker-0: Yeah, like that's the crazy part. Like even with these guys that were in the more modern time, Autogram blew ⁓ all out of the water. Like it wasn't even close. speaker-1: No one is ever going to approach seventy percent championship wins. speaker-0: That just not in a quarterback sense, no. speaker-1: It it it's impossible. It cannot happen. Tom Brady is arguably the GOAT and he was thirty percent, thirty five, something like that. speaker-0: He had seven championships in twenty years. So just about thirty percent. Yeah. Like that's absolutely insane to have a 70% championship success rate. Like, I don't ⁓ yeah, it's it's absolutely nuts. And I mean, speaking of nuts, that goes in the running backs because it's gonna be Jim Brown. Like a dude who almost played at the same time as Otto Graham did. Like Graham retired a couple years before Jim Brown showed up. speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: Who again played in the fifties going into the sixties. And he was an all-time rushing leader and it wasn't even close. Dude's got 12,000 yards. Number two had 7,000. Like it's not even like not even close. And I I actually wanted to check. His ⁓ his attempts, he had 2,300 attempts. Number two had 1,700. He had 400 more rushing attempts than number two. And he had over 5,000 more yards. And you want to know why? Because he also holds the all-time of rushing. He had another all-time record for the Browns. Two different guys holds two different all-time records. Like the Browns actually have people that hold all-time records still to this day in the NFL because Jim Brown holds the all-time record for the most yards per game at 104.3. He was Averaging 104 yards a game. Dang. Because no one could stop him. Like it it's absolutely insane. And like we talk about how the MVP is a quarterback award now. This

dude got three MVPs in his career. Three MVPs, nine all pros, nine Pro Bowls in a nine year career. He made the all pro f every year, made the Pro Bowl every single year of his career. He was an and eight of those nine all pros were first team. This on the lone s second team all pros, cause he had like basically a broken wrist for one game. Or for like in one season he had like a broken wrist for a couple games. So he didn't get a thousand yards that year. That's it. And this was back when they played like th this is when they played like twelve and fourteen games a season. Like I it's funny 'cause like we I I know Jim Brown is the commentator as like, you know, on Fox in you know, the NFL pre game show on Fox and everything. But this dude is an absolute monster when you played. And again, he's got the championships in the Cleveland speaker-1: It's not ⁓ yeah. speaker-0: It's just absolutely nuts. Two different all time record holders from two different like past eras. So if you were a Cleveland Browns fan in the fifties, you were living large, dude. It's like being the Patriots fan back in the two thousands. If not better. speaker-1: ⁓ likewise I picked Ooh, pardon me, I picked Jim Brown, ⁓ by far the most dominant rusher the Browns have ever had, and with a strangle hold on the Browns yard record, touchdown record, you gotta give it to J Jim Brown. I keep wanting to call him James Brown and speaker-0: Right. Honestly, I mean, even even though he's not like the all time rushing holder, pay like for yards on that, I'd say probably the most dominant rusher, period. Even beaten, I'd he's better than Walter Payton and like Emma Smith, honestly. Like 104 yards a game. Like no one's like no one's beaten that ever. No one's ever gonna beat that. Ever at this point. No one's ever gonna eclipse a hundred yards a game. speaker-1: No, no way. but moving into the wide receiver position, I'm gonna jump the queue here. And ⁓ yeah, I'm gonna get flack about this. I'm picking Ozzie Newsom for the wide receiver position. Easily the most significant receiver the Browns have ever had, yards leader, hall of fame, three time pro bowler. But Tom, he's a tight end. I don't care. Ozzie Newsome is the best wide receiver the Browns have ever had. and this I don't know what the hell is going on with Cleveland with their Swiss Army knife approach to players in the wide receiver position, but I understand why you suck. speaker-0: I you know, that's probably right, actually. I actually went with Josh Gordon because I think he could have been the best receiver that the Browns ever had if he didn't play when the league was still like stuck on this mindset of like weed is the devil's lettuce, and like anyone who smokes weed must be like thrown out of the league because He kept getting suspended for getting for failing drug tests for weed. And so his career was like basically ruined because he kept smoking weed, which at the time, yes, this was like what mid like early 2010s, basically. So, you know, weed was still a very like, you know, ever for the most part, everyone was still very anti-weed, anti, you know, THC, all that kind of stuff. And dude kept failing drug tests for marijuana. And speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: He missed two full seasons because of it. And then when he would play, he'd play for a couple games, get he'd fail a drug test, and then miss more games. But like dude was so good when he played. Like I mean, his again, stats weren't great. He was the one of his f like one full like a full season, he was an all pro and a pro bowler. He had I mean he had he only had three thousand yards and sixteen touchdowns because he didn't play a ton in Cleveland. But like If league if the if you played today, do to be a fantastic receiver and probably be one of the at least top ten to fifteen, I think, in the league today. but I I think he could have been Cleveland's best receiver had he played in a time frame when the league was a lot more open about marijuana use and everything else like that. Because he even said at the time, like, look, I don't want to take a bunch of pain pills for all the issues and all the you know, all the all the issues I have with pain and all that stuff. I don't want to medicate through opiates and all stuff, all the pain medication, all that. Like weed helps more than the pain pills do. He was even open. That's why he used it and took it. But again, we were in the timeframe of like that early to mid twenty tens and that just wasn't the mindset of the league and really a lot of the country at that time frame. So he his career kind of died because of it, unfortunately. So that was that was my pick for the Browns best receiver because besides him and Ozzy Newsome, there really wasn't any other option. No. I got nothing. This was this was a graveyard of a re of a position. We went from two absolutely all time great positions in players to nothing. speaker-1: Garbage. Absolutely. speaker-0: And even Ozzie Newsom was a good I mean, Ozzie Newsom was a fantastic tight end and really good tight end, especially for the time frame that he played in. And he and obviously a very I think a very smart player too, because Ozzie Newsom became the general manager of the Baltimore Ravens when he retired and was the GM who drafted in their f the in the Ravens first draft, he drafted Ray Lewis and Ed Reed. speaker-1: There was a third name in there. I'm blanking on it though. ⁓ speaker-0: ⁓ not in their first draft, but he did also end up drafting Helodi Nada as well. He drafted ⁓ I don't say Bart Scott isn't right, but I think there was somebody else. I mean, but the Ozzy Newsom was a GM for Baltimore for a long time. But basically and when Cleveland moved to Baltimore, he built the Ravens to what the Ravens are. So he's not there now, but he was there for a long time. So he was a very sound and very solid football mind and a very good talent evaluator. speaker-1: Absolutely. ⁓ but moving on to the tight end

position, see previous entry. Ozzie Newsom. He is a tight end and is the best tight end and wide receiver the Browns have ever had. speaker-0: I was almost hoping that somehow Br Jim Brown could also like was a good like pass catching running back too somehow. 'Cause if he if he showed up anywhere around the top ten for receiving yards, he would have been my number one. speaker-1: Absolutely. I was gonna say I don't remember seeing him on the list, but if he was I'm not speaker-0: He was not. I trust me, I looked. I was looking for something. speaker-1: ⁓ but tight end I assume as you know so. speaker-0: Yeah, Ozzin used my David Njoku, who's their current tight end, as my number two, because dude's good. Like he was really good. speaker-1: Wonder why I didn't catch that. ⁓ well. speaker-0: He's ⁓ sitting around four thousand receiving yards. I mean he's about number fifteen on the list, something like that. So maybe up there a little bit higher, but he he might be a little bit higher than fifteen, but he's ⁓ he's sitting up there pretty good. ⁓ yeah, he's been there since I think twenty twenty ish. He's been there for about four or five years. So and been pretty consistent. So and he's still there. ⁓ as far as I know, I think he is still there. He may have gone somewhere else this off season, but ⁓ he was their most recent tight end. ⁓ see he was there for about four or five seasons. So ⁓ I I liked Njokie. I've had him for a couple of seasons on ⁓ fantasy teams. So but yeah, he's been a he's been a good tight end. Again, boneyards. speaker-1: So ⁓ yeah, he's on the Chargers now. speaker-0: Ooh, Chargers. Well that's man, that sucks for Cleveland. They just get a quar if they could ⁓ you know what? It I mean it's it's harder said than done. Like if they could just get just a decent quarterback in Cleveland, this it would just I mean, not even like it doesn't even have to be like, you know, an elite quarterback, just a decent quarterback. They can't even get a decent quarterback and keep him. speaker-1: I d I think sh I think Shador could become decent. speaker-0: Maybe. The problem is is they don't keep ⁓ Like Baker was there. If they just would have kept Baker, it wouldn't be an issue. speaker-1: That's true. I don't know why they didn't keep Baker. speaker-0: Baker, they brought in Deshaun Watson. They wanted Deshaun. Yeah. They let Baker go and traded for Deshaun Watson and re signed him. speaker-1: Yeah, I c I I keep trying to forget about Deshaun Watson. speaker-0: Right. He I mean Deshaun's there, who knows? He might start this season. speaker-1: He ⁓ you know, I think he's gonna have the most expensive bench seat there ever was. speaker-0: I mean he has for a season or two now 'cause he 'cause he what he tore his A C L or Achilles like a season or so ago. He's still recovering from that. So ⁓ speaker-1: I get the feeling that they're the Browns are not too keen on him ever recovering. They're just trying to ride this out and speaker-0: feeling the Browns are key on just having a semi competent quarterback. It doesn't really matter who it is at this point. speaker-1: ⁓ but moving on to the kicker position, Adam, who is your pinnacle of the Browns kickers? speaker-0: So my pinnacle was the was the one and only Phil Dawson. Dude was there for like thirteen seasons and had a pretty good record of eighty-four percent field goal percentage and a ninety-seven, ninety-eight percent extra points, and made two all pros as well and a Pro Bowl on top of that. So I mean by far one of the best. When I was looking into this, they had one. They had a guy that apparently could just double up between offense and defensive lineman and kicker for like thirteen seasons, but kicked a measly fifty-six percent field goal percentage. So I just couldn't in good faith kick pick ⁓ But Phil Dawson was my ⁓ was my pick and then Matt Stover was my runner up at eighty one percent field goal percentage, which was kind of cool because he went from Cleveland and then when they moved to Baltimore. went with him to Baltimore and basically stayed there his almo almost his entire career. speaker-1: So I I went down the exact same ⁓ same path. I had Cody Parkey on my list as a contender until I realized that yes, he was there for five seasons, but he only played twenty nine games in five seasons. And I was like, Nope. speaker-0: It was possible for a kicker. Was he hurt? speaker-1: I know I couldn't find anything about it. speaker-0: It's just speaker-1: All right. So yeah, it's it was like, well, Phil Dawson has just become the pinnacle of the Browns kickers without any competition. speaker-0: That's I I am now confused. I wanna I gotta dig more into Cody Parkey and f find out how he only played twenty games in five seasons. speaker-1: ⁓ it was funny. speaker-0: So weird, man. speaker-1: But that does it for the Cleveland Browns and the AFC North as a whole. Tell us what you think. Who did you agree with? Who do you think is a complete moron? Tell us down in the comments and tune in next time when we examine the pinnacle of the Green Bay Packers. Okay. Yeah. speaker-0: You know who I'm gonna actually be the most curious is I'm gonna see I'm curious about the running back position. Cause I don't know if I can tell you more than like two or three. speaker-1: I already know I'm gonna have a hard time with the quarterback position 'cause we know the two names that are gonna be fighting over that position. speaker-0: B three. speaker-1: I think eventually there'll be three, but right now I think there's two. speaker-0: Yeah, fair enough. So receivers will be interesting too. speaker-1: ⁓ yeah. ⁓ my goodness. Yeah. speaker-0: So it's just a hodge I mean it's a hodgepodge but it's like they they had pretty good receivers throughout. speaker-1: Yeah, it's like wow, you gotta you gotta start getting really critical. ⁓ I'm looking forward to this. Yeah. Yeah. This will be fun. ⁓ but before we go into final notes, I am going

to throw up a quick challenge to Adam. If I can find it. This is a throwback to when we used to do trivia. So out of curiosity, what are your groups of three that you've come up with so far? speaker-0: So groups of three was Brady Quinn, Jimmy Clausen and Joe Montana all went to Notre Dame. And then group the other group of three was ⁓ Eli Manning Carson went and ⁓ who is it? It was somebody else. I guess not. I thought there was somebody else who was picked ⁓ number two in the draft. But I can't now all of a sudden pick out who it was that was selecting number two. ⁓ we've got multiple Heisman trophy winners, so there's too many there's ⁓ way more than four Heisman trophy winners in this. Troy Smith is a r random one in here. ⁓ It's funny 'cause he's also the only one 'cause he's also the only guy that went to Ohio State. Nobody else went to Ohio State that's in this speaker-1: That is correct. speaker-0: Yeah. I know. speaker-1: He went from O two to O six. speaker-0: Yep, he was also a he won a national championship. So did Vince Young. So did Tim Tebow. speaker-1: So speaker-0: You know what? I'm gonna go with ⁓ Joe Montana, Tim Tebow, Troy Smith and Vince Young all won national championships in college. speaker-1: ⁓ I will tell you that that is incorrect. speaker-0: Mean it's not they all did, but speaker-1: That is true. But that is not one of the speaker-0: Next. Fair enough. ⁓ speaker-1: Okay. Would it help you if I told you that Joe Zeisman went to Notre Dame? speaker-0: Yeah. So Brady Quinn, Jimmy Clausen, Joe Montana, and Joe Theisman all went to Notre Dame. speaker-1: And what was the other one, Clawson? speaker-0: Closing, yeah. speaker-1: Where is he at? ⁓ E. speaker-0: Right. speaker-1: Notre Dame quarterbacks. speaker-0: Gotcha. All right. Let's see. speaker-1: That was really well done. speaker-0: Yeah, I I mean I never would have got 'cause I I didn't know Thousand went to Notre Dame, so I never would have got that. speaker-1: Yeah, he was he was a bit of a deep grab because he was sixty seven to seventy, I think that's right. speaker-0: Yeah, I mean I mean the only reason I knew Joe Montaigne is because I mean it's Joe. I said Joe Montana. All right Let's see, True Bloodsell is the number one pick. Nobody else here left was except Troy Aikman. speaker-1: Everybody does, yeah. Nobody else was number one on the speaker-0: Well Peyton Manning won it. Well wait, was Elay number one or was speaker-1: How did that how did that go? speaker-0: I know. ⁓ I yeah, I'll go Drew Brees, Eli Maning, Peyton Manning, and Troy Aikman were all number one draft picks. speaker-1: N L Where am I at? I lost everything and see ⁓ speaker-0: And see Okay, Eli was first. I think it was Eli then Philip Rivers or if Rivers was first then Eli was first. speaker-1: No, that's burned into my brain. Eli was one, Philip Rivers was two. Yeah. 'Cause Eli was not going to go to ⁓ San Diego. San Diego. speaker-0: I would have rather gone to San Diego than New York.

⁓ speaker-1: Yeah. That's a that's a w it's a weird hill to die on, Eli. I know, right? You do speaker-0: I mean see he's he's 'cause the only 'cause the other big one is ⁓ El Way refusing to go to the Colts. speaker-1: That still sucks. Like And I I wasn't even a Colt fan back then, but still. speaker-0: Right? Okay. Carson Wentz. Okay, ⁓ Carson Wentz, Kevin Cobb, Tim Thibault, and Mark Sanchez all played for the Philadelphia Eagles. speaker-1: Wait. ⁓ speaker-0: Yeah, okay, I'll go with that. I'm not sure if Tim Tebow did or not. Okay. One O W Not Tim Tebow. ⁓ Vince Young. speaker-1: So speaker-0: Not ⁓ but P. Yep. Okay. I wasn't true because T Bower Vincian. Okay. So then speaker-1: And then do you wanna take a guess at this last group before it submits it? speaker-0: before you put it in, so let's see, Johnny Manzo ⁓ yeah, they all won the Heisman Trophy. speaker-1: Booyah. Congratulations, man. speaker-0: Again, like Trice Troy Smith that random Heisman trophy winner, which never panned out in the NFL, ever. speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: I mean, to be fair, he played in the early two thousands, and dude was like six one, six two. Like he was small for a quarterback, didn't have the arm like Drew Brees did. So Drew Brees could at least get away with like being smaller in statue for a quarterback or stature for a quarterback because he had like just that absolute cannon for an arm. Like Troy Smith was like that smaller, kind of more of a run first type quarterback. Like just he didn't have the NFL type quarterback build back then, so it doesn't really surprise me that he didn't make it as an NFL quarterback. So but it is what it is. speaker-1: Yeah yeah. ⁓ but that's it for me. speaker-0: All right, that's gonna be it for us. And you got any final thoughts? speaker-1: ⁓ this weekend will be the British Open. Rory McElroy and Scotty Scheffler are the standout favorites. Should be a good time. And this past weekend that we had the Quaker State 400, where Ryan Blaney took his second win of the year and cat catapulting him to within 41 points of Tyler Riddick, and Tyler Riddick within 24 points of leader Denny Hamlin. Next weekend, we have the greatest. NASCAR Race of the Year brought to you from Speedway, Indiana. It's the Brickyard 400. Cannot wait. speaker-0: ⁓ the brickyard. All right. Woo. All right. Well, I didn't realize this, but ⁓ a couple weeks ago at the weekend of June thirtieth, Serena Williams made her return to Wimbledon for the first time in nearly four years. Unfortunately her weekend the unfortunately it ended early as she was beaten in three straight sets in the opening weekend. Whoops. ⁓ speaker-1: No shit. speaker-0: The to be fair though, the forty-four year old was going up against ⁓ a twenty-one year old in straight set. So first time in four years, the tennis legend ⁓ has to work her way back sometime. So you know what, it's gonna happen. Hopefully this won't be the last time that we see her on the tennis court because she did also have to r withdraw from the double sub determinant as she did have a knee injury at the end of her at the end of it as well. So hopefully this won't be the end of her At the end and we'll see her again later on this year. They're hoping she'll compete in the US Open later on. speaker-1: She pulled the Connor McGregor. ⁓ it's awful. speaker-0: Right? So but that will be it for today folks. Thanks so much for tuning in. Be sure to like and subscribe so you never miss an episode of the Geeks and Greeks podcast. You can find us on YouTube, Spotify, Apple, and Amazon. You can also find us our social medias at Facebook and Instagram, Instagram at Geeks and Greeks. Until next time, may the coin toss life ever be in your favor. Later guys. speaker-1: Yeah.