Full Transcript for The Night Cap with Gary Jeff Walker -- 10/5/26

00:06:49 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. That's true. 00:06:51 Speaker 3: So that's, And if you talk to anybody that's up there, you know, in their sixties and seventies, they've been doing it all their life. 00:07:02 Speaker 2: They'll probably tell you the same thing. 00:07:04 Speaker 1: Do you, do you do any fishing? 00:07:07 Speaker 2: I do a lot of fishing. I probably do more fishing than I do hunting. 00:07:11 Speaker 1: So what's your, what's your favorite kind of fishing? I got a friend who's got a kayak and he's into bass fishing and he's, you know, he's not a professional bass fisherman, although I think he, He wishes he was and wants to be, but doesn't have the resources to go all out for that. But, I mean, I've always heard, and I've never done it, but I've always heard about the joys of fly fishing in a place like Montana. What kind of fishing does Chip Hart prefer, and what's fly fishing like? 00:07:44 Speaker 2: You know, I like it all. 00:07:46 Speaker 3: Yeah? 00:07:47 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:07:47 Speaker 2: Whatever is biting, I'm happy with. I really don't care what it is. As long as it bites and it. 00:07:53 Speaker 3: Gives me a good tug or a good fight, that's everything. By the way, your buddy, he has a kayak. They now have kayak fishing tournaments. 00:08:04 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure he'd be all in for it if he could ever get off work and do it. But you said. 00:08:13 Speaker 1: Whatever is biting, whatever gives you a little tug. Were we still talking about fishing, Chip? 00:08:19 Speaker 2: Yes, sir, we are. Okay. I'm sure. 00:08:23 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:08:23 Speaker 2: There's not much that gives a tug at this age, okay? 00:08:29 Speaker 3: You know, fly fishing is a real thing. Anybody can do it. It's specialized. It takes some effort. It takes some practice. But then all fishing takes a little bit of practice. 00:08:41 Speaker 1: No, wait, Chip. It takes some money, too, if you're going to be properly equipped, doesn't it? 00:08:49 Speaker 3: Well, look, you can get away with just about anything. You can get into it for $ 79. 00:08:56 Speaker 2: Or you can do it for $ 500. It just depends on. 00:09:03 Speaker 2: And all the equipment will work, okay? It'll work just fine. 00:09:07 Speaker 3: It's just how much of a purist are you, okay? You need that $ 1, 000 outfit, that fly fishing outfit? 00:09:14 Speaker 5: Nah. 00:09:15 Speaker 2: I think mine cost $ 79, okay? And it was a package deal, okay? 00:09:20 Speaker 3: So get your money anywhere you want. 00:09:24 Speaker 2: You just don't have to care what people think. 00:09:31 Speaker 5: Right. 00:09:31 Speaker 1: Well, I generally don't anyway, but I don't fish. So I've got to find something else that will occupy my time where I don't care what people think. Chip, I tell you what, we're having a little bit of a problem with our connection now. Let me hang up. We'll take a break, and I'll call you back, and we'll finish this, okay? Because I have more questions for you, Chip Hart. 00:09:52 Speaker 3: I'm waiting with bated breath. 00:09:56 Speaker 1: I can smell it. 00:09:58 Speaker 2: Thanks. 00:09:59 Speaker 1: It's... it's the nightcap and chip heart from the big outdoors is our first guest tonight we'll be right back with more on the farm the big outdoors guy is back with us for a few more minutes on this nightcap and ship i i definitely i know you cover uh topics like this quite often on your show And I wanted to ask, is there anything memorable about a roadkill recipe one of your guests has given you or you've actually tried that you can recount for us now? 00:10:28 Speaker 4: Well, I have a friend that actually I only met once. He's been on. 00:10:34 Speaker 3: The program periodically for the last 30-something years. 00:10:40 Speaker 4: His name is Scott Laysav. He's on the Outdoor Channel. He has a program. He had a program called Dead Meat. Okay. So it was a cooking show. 00:10:48 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:10:49 Speaker 2: Okay. 00:10:50 Speaker 3: And he has a couple of, he's the sporting chef. And if you've listened to the big outdoors, you probably caught him, but I know he has recipes, but there's, I've done, and actually, you know, every state, they, they do roadkill counts. In other words, They have officers driving around or research biologists, you know, counting the roadkill, all right, because they want to see what. 00:11:15 Speaker 4: Winds up on the road dead and how many are there. 00:11:18 Speaker 3: But I would just say that if it hasn't been dead that long and it's an edible animal, you know, like a white-tailed deer, and it's still warm on a cool, you know, it's still warm, not sitting in the sun, but there are people that claim those. You got to get permission from the state to pick it up. But, you know, I don't have any specific recipes. But if it's an edible animal, I'm sure that you just cook it any other way you would do it. 00:11:51 Speaker 2: Right, right. 00:11:51 Speaker 1: So edible. 00:11:52 Speaker 4: Have I done that? No. 00:11:54 Speaker 1: All right. Edible animals. You said white-tailed deer. But the animals, the most common you find on the road are possums, raccoons. 00:12:06 Speaker 6: Possums. 00:12:07 Speaker 1: And, and, uh, squirrel every once in a while. I was wondering about squirrel hunting and people who eat squirrel. It seems like there's not a whole lot of meat there on a singular squirrel. You've got to have more than one squirrel to cook up a batch. Don't you? 00:12:21 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:12:22 Speaker 4: You, you, you need at least a dozen. 00:12:23 Speaker 2: Okay. 00:12:25 Speaker 4: And you can cook them. Oh, you can put them on the fire. 00:12:29 Speaker 3: You can, uh, uh, You could put them in a stew. 00:12:35 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:12:35 Speaker 4: But yeah, at least a dozen. 00:12:37 Speaker 3: And you probably heard the program about the world squirrel cook-off in Arkansas. It just happened about three weeks ago. 00:12:45 Speaker 4: Now there, that is a

cook-off of the century. The squirrel cook-off. 00:12:52 Speaker 1: Well, it sounds fun. 00:12:53 Speaker 4: In all places, Arkansas. 00:12:54 Speaker 1: I've never had squirrel. I've never had squirrel. I'm waiting for someone to bring me some squirrel. 00:13:01 Speaker 4: Well, maybe we'll get that arranged for you. 00:13:04 Speaker 1: And I know that the last time you were on the show last year, we talked about beaver. Is beaver edible? 00:13:10 Speaker 2: Yes, it is. Okay. It is. 00:13:13 Speaker 3: In fact, beaver is done as like a pot roast. You don't... Now, people might think you would eat the tail, but no, you don't eat the tail. 00:13:22 Speaker 2: Okay? 00:13:23 Speaker 3: But actually, the body of the beaver can be cooked like a pot roast. 00:13:29 Speaker 1: All right. 00:13:29 Speaker 2: You know, it was. 00:13:30 Speaker 3: some potatoes and carrots and, and quite frankly, um, it, it tastes pretty damn good, but you can mask a lot of things in a stew or in a pot roast. 00:13:42 Speaker 1: Okay. Next last question. Chip Hart from the big outdoors is, uh, before I called you, you were just getting off your tractor. Do you have a relationship with your tractor? Like, uh, city guys have relationships with their cars. I mean, is there something you look for specifically in a tractor that, How does your tractor make you feel? And is it just a conveyance? Is it just a tool? Or do you have a deeper relationship with your tractor than that? 00:14:11 Speaker 3: If you talk to anybody that owns a tractor, I don't care if you're a farmer, a landowner, and you've got a tractor, man, I'll tell you what, it's a relationship that's just unparalleled. It's not only is it transportation, but man you could get a lot of work done it's calming uh you you feel like you're in control of something uh uh with a little bit of horsepower you know maybe you got maybe you got the bucket shovel you know on the front of it so you can dig some dirt or move some gravel you bush hog uh you know it it just has so many uses you can drag logs with it it's got so many uses that it's just uh it's kind of an indescribable experience. I mean, I'll, I'll, I'll go, uh, well, right this time of year, I'm on a bush hog a lot or on a tractor a lot, but it's just, um, it's just this feeling. I, it, I don't, it's okay. Maybe you're a Harley owner, but maybe the same kind of feeling when you're on your Harley. 00:15:19 Speaker 2: Okay. 00:15:19 Speaker 1: Can you bush hog on a, on a Harley? 00:15:22 Speaker 4: I don't know. Somebody probably has tried. 00:15:24 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:15:25 Speaker 1: Maybe at the right motorcycle rally, you could bush hog on a Harley. 00:15:32 Speaker 4: Hey, if you or I have thought of it, somebody has done it. No doubt. 00:15:37 Speaker 2: No, you're right. 00:15:38 Speaker 1: There's nothing new under the sun. 00:15:41 Speaker 2: No, there isn't. 00:15:42 Speaker 4: No, but we will be surprised, I'm sure. 00:15:45 Speaker 1: Well, Chip Hart, let's get the primer for hunting season. Deer hunting season. And there are different aspects. There's bow hunting, and then there's muzzle loading. Give me the breakdown of when deer hunting season happens in Ohio this year. 00:16:02 Speaker 3: Well, you've got your bow season is in now, and your squirrel hunting is in with shotgun or. 22 rifle. You've got some dove hunting left before it goes on break. 00:16:19 Speaker 4: You've got some duck hunting coming up. 00:16:22 Speaker 3: Your gun season for deer usually is the first Monday after Thanksgiving. 00:16:28 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:16:29 Speaker 3: Then that goes for about a week, and then you switch back to bow hunting, and there's some special muzzleloader seasons, and a gun season for a couple days comes back in. Your bow hunting wraps up end of January, first week of February. And our neighboring states are not too much different than that. 00:16:49 Speaker 1: All right. 00:16:50 Speaker 2: Very well. 00:16:51 Speaker 4: There's a lot happening. 00:16:52 Speaker 1: Updates this coming Saturday morning at 5 a.m. sharp Eastern time, that is, when Chip Hart takes the mic once again for the big outdoors here on The Big One. And thank you for spending a little nightcap time with me this evening. 00:17:08 Speaker 3: Always enjoy it, Gary, Jeff. Now, go find somebody important to talk to, will you? 00:17:13 Speaker 1: Oh, we already have that lined up, Chip. 00:17:15 Speaker 2: Okay. 00:17:15 Speaker 1: You were the appetizer. 00:17:17 Speaker 4: I'm happy. 00:17:18 Speaker 1: For you you were the roadkill before the entree chip hart from the big outdoors on the nightcap chelsea follett and her new book the grim old days an introduction to the pre-industrial past and why we shouldn't be worried or concerned about change and progress as we continue on 700 wlw as we get into this half hour of the nightcap Here on The Big One, 700 WLW. So much ballyhoo about AI or SI or whatever they're calling it now. And the dangers that this burgeoning new technology could face us all with. The destruction of humanity caused by super intelligence and all of the other hand-wringing that's going on. Maybe it's time we check ourselves and check our past. and some other big, big revolutions and evolutions that were going to mean the end of life as we know it. And I think this is a perfect topic for our next guest. She is a research fellow at Cato's Institute, at the Cato Institute. She is also the author of the new book, The Grim Old Days, An Introduction to the Pre-Industrial Past. Because, well, frankly, let's admit it. We don't know a lot about our past or history, and this book illuminates a lot of what came before and why it was important into the advancement of humanity and the prolonging of life and all of the good things that we enjoy and oftentimes too much take for granted today. Her name is Chelsea Follett, and she's on the phone with me now. Chelsea, thanks for being on the show. 00:19:10 Speaker 3: How are

you? Well, how are you? 00:19:13 Speaker 1: Was that a good introduction to introduce the grim old days? 00:19:19 Speaker 3: It was. 00:19:19 Speaker 6: Thank you for that introduction. And I'm so glad that you brought up AI because I think the current discussions we're having around AI are one of the reasons that I believe the topic of this book is so timely right now. When you hear people talk about AI... Frequently, they will compare it to the industrial revolution. They'll say this has the potential of being a new industrial revolution. It will have change on the scale of the industrial revolution. But what does that mean to the average person? I believe that the average person has an incredibly negative view of the industrial revolution and the changes that it wrought. If you ask the average person, what changes did the industrial revolution bring about? They'll probably bring up Child labor, meager meals, terrible living conditions, worker exploitation, pollution, and all manner of other negative changes. But I believe that the Industrial Revolution is incredibly misunderstood. And if we misunderstand the Industrial Revolution, we risk getting things wrong with our current, potentially, Industrial Revolution-like changes that we are going through with AI. We need to understand that for the vast majority of history, most of our ancestors were living in a pre-industrial world where around half of their children died before adulthood. Half of your children not making it. Hunger was common. Average life expectancy was only in the 30s. And it wasn't even just because of those high rates of child death. Mortality was higher for every age group. Barely one in 10 people was literate. Most people could not even read. Peasants were doing subsistence farm work. And that was the majority of the population, not a middle class that is large and prospering as we have now, but peasants barely surviving enduring conditions that would be unthinkable to those of us today, fortunate enough to enjoy post-industrial prosperity. So if it's true that AI can bring about changes on the same scale as the industrial revolution, that means our descendants could at one point look back at our day in the 2020s and say, wow, how did they even survive? Their lives were so unimaginably difficult. They were nightmarish. And that should be our hope, right? I hope that our grandchildren look back at this era with that kind of horror because their own standard of living is so much higher. That's what it would actually mean if this is something on the scale of an industrial revolution. And that's why it's so important to understand the actual impact of the first industrial revolution. 00:22:00 Speaker 4: Absolutely. 00:22:01 Speaker 6: So change is a constant, but progress is not. Whether or not the changes that we make are positive or negative are choices, often policy choices. Another reason I wanted to write this book and give people a tour through this thankfully lost world of bloodletting and filth and famine-induced cannibalism even just horrific living conditions beyond the nightmares of most people today, was to try to spark curiosity into why things changed so dramatically since the grim old days. What policies or institutions can we identify to continue to make progress, technological progress, greater prosperity for ourselves and our descendants? The stakes are very high and we need to focus on those questions and get the answers right. All changes come with trade-offs. There absolutely are challenges that come with the digital age, but on the whole, there is no question that things have become better. Again, I don't think people fully comprehend just how difficult life was for the vast majority of people who came before them. Life before industrialization, was defined by exhausting, physical, back-breaking labor from sunup until sundown. These were not cozy office jobs in a nice air-conditioned environment. They had terrible hygiene, aching teeth, which they would lose prematurely, flea-bitten skin. There were vermin crawling all throughout their homes. The red bear clothes passed on from generation to generation that were ill-fitting and uncomfortable. Streets that functioned as open sewers, toxic air blackened by hard smoke inside your home as well as outside. A thick stench of poorly disposed waste because even the Palace of Versailles, we have to remember, did not have restrooms. Homes had a smell that we could not even imagine today. And environmental harm is another thing that people associate with industrialization. And that is still very much in the conversation around data centers, right? Oh, do they use too much water? What are they going to do? to our resource use. Environmental harm is not a recent phenomenon. By the early modern period, deforestation had already depleted many of Europe's forests, which prompted Brennan to then rely on America for timber. There was species loss in the pre-industrial world as well, and animals were mistreated, often purely for entertainment, or they were worked to death. There was a creature called the turn-spit dog, a very pitiable creature, creature who was forced to run inside a wheel by a scorching fire for hours and hours just to rotate the spits to cook the meat for our ancestors. Their sale was advertised in Ben Franklin's paper. This world of our pre-industrial ancestors is more horrific and gruesome than most people today can fully comprehend or imagine. Are there problems today with overuse of screens? Do we have too much access to information now? And are we suffering from information overload? Do we now have too much access to food and are thus suffering from obesity? Sure, there are these problems of prosperity, but we now also have the prosperity to come up with solutions. Take obesity, for example. For the first time, obesity rates are now coming down because we have created a new class of drugs that has helped us to counteract this problem of

prosperity having actually too much access for food rather than too little which would by the way be a problem that would be mind-boggling incomprehensible to most of our ancestors pre-industrial people were surviving on thin gruels coarse bread sometimes with stones added to them to make their weight uh higher so that they could be sold for more these food was often stale contaminated and food scarcity was regularly triggering riots it was not a good situation in terms of food. And so our problems today with obesity relative to that past of starvation, and even again, cannibalism occurring sometimes during times of famine and famines would occur every three or four years. Our problems today, while they are real, are champagne problems, really compared to the problems our ancestors face. 00:26:37 Speaker 1: Yeah, they are first world problems, as we like to say, are rich people's problems. another kind of correlation between today and yesterday and how something like the plague was dealt with. And I can relate it to COVID. There was a Russian lab worker who just died of suspected plague after falling ill with severe pneumonia in, in a region where this technician worked at the Irkutsk anti-plague Institute in Siberia. So, um, in, in the days before the Industrial Revolution, how many people did plague kill as opposed to how many people would actually have the antivirus and the abilities through our medical technology and all the breakthroughs that have happened in that wing of American and world development? I mean, if we were faced with a bubonic or, you know, a similar kind of plague today, it would not be nearly as devastating because of all the medicines that have been developed because of progress, because of the industrial revolution, because, and now they're, they're saying that all of the cancer cures that may be possible due to AI or SI are unimaginable things. We've been waiting for, for decades and, and millennia, really. What do you think? 00:28:09 Speaker 6: And that's, Absolutely. I could not agree with you more in the 14th century. Estimates vary, but perhaps half or even more of Europe's population died. 00:28:23 Speaker 1: I think it was 200 million or something like that. 00:28:27 Speaker 6: Yes, it was a huge number. Truly try to imagine a third or half or even more if you were in an unfortunate community of the people you know dying. It's really difficult to wrap the mind around. The pandemic that we just went through with COVID-19 is actually nothing compared to that, as disruptive as it was. And today we have antibiotics. It's unfortunate that person you just mentioned did pass away of plague today because today plague is actually very treatable. We have antibiotics and something that devastated populations in the past is no longer there. deadly it's no longer a death sentence and that's incredible and this is another thing that people overlook with ai they focus on the potential harms and not the potential gains in areas such as drug discovery and all of the lives that could be saved look at the pushback we see towards self-driving cars even though driverless cars have already been shown in studies to reduce car accident deaths think of all the lives that could be saved through adopting this technology But medical innovations, I agree with you, are something that people do not appreciate nearly enough. The fact that we now live in a world where when you think of an average person, you picture someone in relatively good health rather than someone rotting teeth and pockmarked skin, bitten by fleas and possibly dying of the bubonic plague. This is a huge form of progress that we do not fully appreciate. And then there's bloodletting, which was the default treatment for practically any ailment. Sometimes avoiding medical care was actually safer than receiving it in the past. George Washington, the father of our country, who woke up one day with a cough and had 40% of the blood in his body drained out of him through bloodletting and was dead that evening. This is the reality of the pre-industrial past. And toward the end of writing this book, My own child, one of them, developed this terrible spotty rash on her face. And I became terrified it might be measles because it looks like that. And she hadn't yet received the vaccine due to her young age. She was a toddler. And we rushed her to an ER. And we're told it wasn't measles. Thankfully, due to widespread vaccination, that disease is now blessedly rare. And vaccination is another thing people don't appreciate enough in the modern day. But the diagnosis that we did receive was scarlet. fever and when you hear those words as a parent it is terrifying initially because we are familiar with terms like scarlet fever from old novels like little women where that is often a deadly diagnosis yes which reflects the reality that wasn't just literature right that was a reality it killed so many children it killed renee dickhart's daughter at five years old but today You are given a prescription for strawberry-flavored antibiotics, and your child is better in a week. 00:31:27 Speaker 1: That's wonderful. 00:31:28 Speaker 6: That is incredible. 00:31:30 Speaker 1: What I think also is important to note in this discussion, Chelsea, talking to Chelsea Follett, research fellow at the Cato Institute and author of The Grim Old Days, An Introduction to the Pre-Industrial Past, you talked about, for example, literacy rates early in this and how critical it's just unimaginable that that many people could not read because we do not understand the advancements and the history is not being told today. Like you're telling in your book, uh, we're going back in this country in public education, specifically, uh, maybe in, in literacy and, uh, in, uh, you know, proficiency scores in math and reading and science and, because we don't understand what we have maybe. And I don't think we're teaching our children how important it is to make use of

all this wonderful knowledge and technology that has been given to us, starting with the industrial revolution and the digital revolution. And now the revolution into AI and SI, do you think that that's a problem? Do you think we really, I mean, that seems like it would be the impetus for writing a book like this just to let people know and and remind them of the history of how bad things were before we had these technological advancements. 00:32:56 Speaker 4: Absolutely. 00:32:57 Speaker 6: I think, unfortunately, in eliminating so many of the problems of the past, we have also eliminated the memory of those problems. Most people are not aware of how bad things were for, again, the vast majority of history, most of your ancestors. We have lost that historical perspective. And that's what this book, The Grim Old Days, An Introduction to the Pre-Industrial Past, seeks to correct by shocking the reader with vivid details and firsthand accounts into recognizing just how difficult and alien the world of the past really was. And while, yes, we have many challenges today, including many that are prompted by that lack of historical perspective and this communal amnesia that we have gone through, but we have come a long way, and that deserves more recognition, in my opinion. Again, the book is The Grim Old Days, An Introduction to the Pre-Industrial Past, and it is available for pre-order now wherever books are sold, Amazon, Barnes & Noble, and so on. 00:34:06 Speaker 1: Obviously, this is your focus right now, as it should be, Chelsea Follett, but what else are you doing as a research fellow at Cato Institute these days? Are Are there any projects that you're looking forward to? 00:34:20 Speaker 6: Absolutely. So I'm a research fellow at the Cato Institute working with humanprogress.org, which is a web project. I encourage all of your listeners to check out where we document all of the different ways that life is continuing to get better. Thanks to you. market exchange and free individuals making choices, cooperating and competing and so on. We try to identify these causes and provide context for progress while also documenting it. If you turn on the news, you will see so many negative headlines because as they say, if it bleeds, it leads. There is something in human psychology that tends to be interested in the negative and the unusual and the dramatic and even the grotesque. But we also document all of the positive news that gets lost with that negative spin. Now, that said, if you, like most people, do have this facet of human nature where you're interested in the negative, then I urge you to check out this book again, The Grim Old Days and Introductions to the Pre-Industrial Past, which will use your natural interest in the negative and even the horrific to also cultivate a sense of gratitude and even awe for how far we've come. 00:35:44 Speaker 1: Excellent. The Grim Old Days, an introduction to the pre-industrial past. The author Chelsea Follett,

thank you so much for your time and have a great rest of the evening, Chelsea. 00:35:56 Speaker 4: Thank you. You too. All right. 00:35:57 Speaker 1: You betcha. The Nightcap continues in just a few minutes. We'll do a replay of rock and roll archaeology from the grim old past, plus Richard C. Lyons, DNA of Democracy series guy on the midterms and what they will mean, and Dr. Michael K. Schwartz and Andy Furman before we're done tonight here on 700 WLW. Defender, as I like to say, actually a repeat guest. He's not offended me once so far, but, you know, tonight's another night. Who knows? He is the author of the DNA of Democracy series, DNA of Democracy Volume 1, Shadows of the Acropolis Volume 2, Passages Through the Shadows, the published articles. His work traces self-government back to its origins in Athens, Greece, and asks what keeps democracies alive. And, you know, that kind of gives an insight into what kills them. the question sitting underneath the election that we face now in less than 30 days. His name is Richard C. Lyons, and it is a pleasure to have you back tonight, Richard. How are you? 00:37:06 Speaker 5: Oh, great. And thanks, Gary, Jeff. Good to be on. 00:37:09 Speaker 1: So we're looking at the midterms. And if you're, let's see, even if you're not a fan of President Trump, but you're a fan of his policies, It looks like this could be the end of the agenda of Trump's second term, depending on how things turn out. And, you know, even the pollsters inside and advisers inside President Trump's circle think this is going to be a pretty rough November, not just from a historical standpoint in a president's second half of his term and the percentages of what usually happens in midterm elections for the party in power, but also. 00:37:51 Speaker 1: It could be very, very tough because we may go through what we went through the last time President Trump had his second two years, really his whole presidency in his first term, upended by investigations and impeachments and all of the things that were being done to the president and to his closest people in the aftermath of, well, with whatever, weaponization of the DOJ and FBI. So, I mean, if the House goes over to the Democrats, which is very likely, Richard, and somehow the Republicans hold a narrow lead in the Senate, they can't impeach the president. They can't convict him, in other words. They can impeach him, but they can't convict him and oust him from office. But as far as the Trump agenda of Make America Great Again, it kind of stalls in its tracks. How do you see all of that playing out as we go forward? 00:38:51 Speaker 5: Well, I'm a little more hopeful than you are, Gary Jeff, about the election for a couple of reasons. And you pointed out that during his first term, he was under investigation, and most of the country believed him guilty because the media was swarming. The FBI and DOJ were all over him in the Russia hoax. And it really affected the midterms. And then when

you get into his remarkable election in 2016, he was behind in the polls at this point where everybody was laughing. 00:39:28 Speaker 2: And in 2020 again. 00:39:30 Speaker 5: It was, oh, he can never win scenario. Now, he's going on this from now, a 30-day junket to everywhere that there are toss-ups. And I'm very hopeful in that. If we get to the point where we keep the Senate and lose the House, he will be what? 00:39:49 Speaker 2: He'll be under. 00:39:50 Speaker 5: Investigation, again, for two years. The Democrats operate on this. They like to stifle the organs of democracy when they don't hold the presidency. And they do so by shutting down government. They do so through investigation, all these things. 00:40:11 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, and Congress's main job is to make sure that the government's financed. 00:40:18 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:40:19 Speaker 5: You're correct. It's the one thing they won't do. 00:40:22 Speaker 1: You know, they do have oversight powers, but they overreach in their oversight so many times when one particular party is in power over another, and they ignore all of their real responsibilities, as you mentioned. 00:40:38 Speaker 5: Yes. 00:40:39 Speaker 1: I would say that President Trump saying he's campaigning like he's on the ballot, well, in all essence... As far as the Democrats are concerned, he is on the ballot. So why shouldn't he campaign like he is? You know what I mean? 00:40:52 Speaker 5: And I entirely agree. And they've thrown everything at him they can. Yeah. 00:40:59 Speaker 2: Right? 00:41:00 Speaker 5: I mean, in these past 10 years, they've literally done everything up to throw him in jail. But they haven't been successful. And so now here he is with a clear record going to the toss-up states. And again, I'm hopeful, but if the Democrats take the House, much of what the agenda was when we started in 2024, Gary Jeff, was passed in that one big, beautiful bill. 00:41:29 Speaker 2: It was the. 00:41:29 Speaker 5: Deregulatory regime to bring down taxes so that people keep more of their money and spend it how they would, rather than how government would. The Doge aspect. 00:41:42 Speaker 2: of. 00:41:42 Speaker 5: Bringing down fraud. All these things are now occurring, and they will occur through the presidency. But the Democrats on their side, again, will do everything to stifle what they can. And that would be, hey, how do we pass a budget? 00:41:58 Speaker 2: You know what I mean? 00:41:58 Speaker 5: And they'll put in all this crazy stuff so not a single Republican can vote for it. And we'll be stifled again in that direction. The other good thing is if we retain the Senate, as you said, and I agree with you, that given what the toss-up, there are seven toss-ups in the Senate, and I think we're going to keep Texas. I think Michigan's going to flip Republican. I think Minnesota has a good chance to flip to Tafoya. 00:42:25 Speaker 1: I was just going to mention that race in Minnesota. Michelle Tafoya

is running against a woman who is everything but a card-carrying communist in Flanagan. 00:42:37 Speaker 5: Right, exactly. 00:42:39 Speaker 1: And because of the rise of the DSA in the primaries in those heavy blue areas, and some areas that weren't necessarily heavily blue, those populist socialists, as I like to call them. Actually, I like to call them populist communists. But anyway, I think. 00:43:00 Speaker 1: That is going to have a backlash for Democrats overall in midterm races in places like Minnesota. 00:43:09 Speaker 5: Well, that's my great hope, Gary Jeff, is that when Republicans are on a debate stage or in any way that they are face-to-face, to put these Democrat candidates on point, do you or do you not believe in the United States Constitution? If you do, you cannot believe in sanctuary cities or sanctuary states because our Constitution is based in common law. And if you take immigration policy just that, the immigration laws that we now have were passed by Republican presidents and Democrat presidents, passed by Republican houses and Democrat houses, passed by Republican senates and Democrat senates, signed into law, reviewed by the judiciary at the Supreme Court level, And found to be valid. So you cannot, by any stretch, say at the same time, I believe in the U.S. Constitution and I believe in sanctuary state policy. Sanctuary city policy. You cannot say it. And they cannot legally take the oath to serve and defend the Constitution and at the same time be a candidate that believes in sanctuary cities or states. 00:44:24 Speaker 1: Well, many of the Democrats, you know, a growing percentage of Democrats say, and I'm talking about voters, not necessarily candidates who are lying through their teeth or defending the indefensible, like, you know, boys and girls sports and these other things. They want to tear up the U.S. Constitution, basically. So how can you, as you mentioned, how can you take the oath and put your hand on the and defend the Constitution of the United States of America when what you really want to do is rip it up from dismantling the Senate to expanding the Supreme Court to all these other things that they want to, the getting rid of the Pentagon and getting rid of enforcement. 00:45:13 Speaker 2: Of the rule of law. 00:45:14 Speaker 5: Do you remember that in the 70s? Let's levitate the Pentagon. Through spiritual power. 00:45:20 Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. 00:45:22 Speaker 5: No, but it's exactly what you said. What are the problems in the democracy? The problem is concentration of power. Yep. And the Democrat Party's been doing that in their own party for 100 years to the point where their administrative state, the unenumerated branch of power that they hold, is somewhat in peril under the Trump administration. 00:45:42 Speaker 2: Somewhat. 00:45:44 Speaker 5: But in order to concentrate power further... They have to throw out the Constitution. And it was another act of just founding father genius that they said,

wait, in order to preserve the Constitution, it must be in the oath of everyone's office that they serve and defend it, that they can't overturn it without the amendment process. 00:46:09 Speaker 2: Right? Yeah. 00:46:10 Speaker 5: And what these guys are wanting to do is just rip it up and burn it, like you say. And start over. Well, how are you going to start over? You're going to start over with a strongman dictator who then is what we all know and love in history. Mao and Hitler and Stalin and Lenin and lately Maduro and the Castros. That's what you get when you tear up our Constitution. 00:46:35 Speaker 1: Well, I think you want to start over. You've got to start with something like Mein Kampf. 00:46:41 Speaker 2: Exactly. 00:46:42 Speaker 5: No, this is not that. You know, it's funny, but it's not because that's true. The Russian Constitution after the revolution was said to be the most democratic constitution on paper, but they never used it. 00:46:58 Speaker 1: No, it was just that's the thing that sets our constitution in our government. Our country's government, apart from all these other places, every other country on the face of the earth, Richard, has a constitution that they swear is the template for how their government's supposed to work. But none of those countries use it except for us. We're the only country on the face of the earth with a constitution that is actually relevant and valid. and their trial invalid. 00:47:32 Speaker 5: I would say that democrats have been moving away from it gary jeff for years now yes when they're when they're stalling judicial appointments with her when they're allowing you know people to burn and loot two hundred cities in america you think nothing about it when they're when they're differentiating law whether it's sanctuary cities or whether it's your real law pockets of sharia law look how well that's doing in europe you cannot have an uncommon law system where you have one law for some people and another law for others, like in the lawfare investigations recently before the 2024 election. 00:48:12 Speaker 2: Right? 00:48:14 Speaker 5: That's finding a target in Trump and his family, his associates, his friends, and saying, we're going to go after him. We don't care what law it is. Just find one. 00:48:22 Speaker 1: You know, it's the old Stalinistic, show me the man and I'll find the crime. 00:48:27 Speaker 3: Yep. 00:48:28 Speaker 5: Exactly so. 00:48:29 Speaker 1: All right so yeah so you actually believe that mike rogers has a chance to win in michigan and i mean. 00:48:35 Speaker 5: It is i believe it if the democrats we you and i know the democrat party we've noted for years yeah uh... for our lifetimes if the people we grew up with would take a look at the democrat party today and recognize the difference between what it is today and what it was under jfk right we might we're not old enough to you know have been during that but if You have to look at the difference. Where they're going

now is opposite. Literally, it is the ideology we fought against in World War II. It's why we lost a half a million soldiers in World War II in the European theater. Right? This is what this stuff is. It descends from Frederick Hegel, the philosopher. whose philosophy of the ideal state informed Karl Marx, who informed Lenin and Bolshevism, who informed Mussolini and socialism, and who informed Hitler and fascism. It's all the same thing. It's the ideal state holds all the rights... And the individual holds none. Our system is the opposite. The individual holds all the rights, and the government has none other than what we give it. 00:49:50 Speaker 1: President Ronald Reagan stated that very well. He really did. The American, the vision that the founders had was geared towards the individual, not the collective. 00:50:03 Speaker 6: Yes. 00:50:03 Speaker 2: And and absolutely. 00:50:04 Speaker 1: I will tell you this. The other thing that the other oddity, the irony of this is that the Democrats want the government to control more of our lives. And we see how badly the government, you know, is addressing any kind of problem in our lives for the most part. And they want more of that. They think that's the answer. Oh, well, yes, the government, the state has control of this and this and that and that, and they're doing such a great job. We want to give them more power. 00:50:38 Speaker 5: No! It's the opposite, Gary. 00:50:41 Speaker 1: It's exactly the opposite. 00:50:42 Speaker 5: Wherever they've gone, whether it's health care, housing, wherever they go in the economy, they destroy it. Taxes go up meteorically, and consumer prices go up meteorically. You have to look at where they've been in the economy, particularly health care, where now we are taxed twice as much as any other industrialized democracy on the planet for our health care. And our consumer prices are double anywhere else in the world. 00:51:12 Speaker 1: What bothers me tremendously and what gives me pause in this optimism you've got for the midterms coming up in 28 days or whatever it is, Richard, is that the media is still not a friend to the American people, largely. And they are failing to report, as gas prices just went down again in the last few days nationally, they failed to report that gas was a national average 502 a gallon in 2022 when Joe Biden was president. They failed to mention almost 10% inflation or above during the Biden term, and they talk about Trump inflation. 00:51:57 Speaker 5: No, exactly so. And 82% of the inflation that we're feeling today, when you start with the Biden term and then through the Trump term, 82% of the inflation that is found in everyday prices came directly from the Biden administration. 00:52:16 Speaker 2: Yes. 00:52:18 Speaker 5: During the Trump administration, inflation has been going down, and at worst it is stable. But he is only responsible for 18% of the inflation over the time that he's been in office, which is still high. But that was the price we had to pay for Iran not to demolition the state of Israel. Right. Or to threaten Europe with nuclear missiles. We have to pay this price now. When the negotiators, Witkoff and Kushner, were sitting... with the iranian representatives six months ago and the iranians that we have eight to ten days and we can't deliver a. 00:52:55 Speaker 4: Nuclear bomb right they said that. 00:52:58 Speaker 5: They said it thinking that we were like the bike administration and get it they all got please don't here we're going to give you billions of dollars just don't do it instead and rightly so trump said no we're going to take their capability out now right now And that was the right decision to make. If we have to pay a little more at the pump for that, and people don't like it, I mean, what are we prepared to sacrifice anything for? 00:53:27 Speaker 3: Right. 00:53:27 Speaker 1: Well, you've got, if that doesn't happen, chances are right now, Tehran and the radicals could be holding on to a nuclear weapon that not only could reach Israel, but. 00:53:41 Speaker 2: Also reach Europe. 00:53:44 Speaker 1: And the next thing is with ICBM technology, the United States. We'd all be sitting there, when is the bomb going to fall from the courtesy of the Ayatollahs? Instead, President Trump took the other path and did what no other leader has been willing to do over the past 47 years and say, no, you're not going to do this and you're not going to bully the world or the Middle East anymore. And I have one semantic issue with you I've always had with your book titles, and it's the DNA of Democracy series by Richard C. Lyons. It's that we don't actually live in a democracy, do we, Richard? 00:54:27 Speaker 5: Well, democracy as a species is a genre term. So if you say trees, right, then there's a maple tree. If you say democratic government, a species of that is republican and a constitutional republic. Yeah. So most people identify, and rightly so, you know, democracy. Yeah. Well, yeah, there's trees. Well, a constitutional republic is a maple tree. 00:54:55 Speaker 1: I like that explanation. 00:54:57 Speaker 5: Well, it's true. It's true. You could not... If I had stated, you know, the DNA of republicanism... half my audience wouldn't identify with that. 00:55:08 Speaker 1: No, you're right. We've been taught about democracy all our life, and it is the common term, or you say the. 00:55:14 Speaker 5: Common term. 00:55:16 Speaker 1: The genre term for what we enjoy today in America. It's always great to talk to you, and I look forward to speaking with you, if not before, immediately after the midterms, and we'll either be licking our wounds and saying, oh, woe is us, or we'll be going, man, we dodged one there. 00:55:36 Speaker 5: Let's hope we dodge it, and all's well. 00:55:39 Speaker 2: Yes, sir. 00:55:40 Speaker 1: Richard C. Lyons, the author of the DNA of Democracy series. Great stuff, and always wonderful to have you on, Richard. Thanks.

00:55:48 Speaker 5: Thank you, Gary Jeff, very much. 00:55:50 Speaker 1: You betcha. 00:55:52 Speaker 2: Dr. 00:55:52 Speaker 1: Michael K. Schwartz, coming up next on the Freedom of the Press on the Nightcap. Last hour of the Nightcap on Monday night, October the 5th, 2026. Our next guest is a first-timer, and we love first-time guests. It's fresh, and I'll get some perspective that I might not get from somebody that I've had on 15 times, but you never know. He is the host of the Mike Schwartz Show, which you can enjoy on Rumble. A YouTube show is coming soon, and he appears elsewhere. In fact, he is one of those major media, what's the nice word? He's on everywhere, almost any time. Michael K. Schwartz, or I guess for our purposes, just Michael J. Schwartz, rather. Mike Schwartz. Mike, welcome to the Nightcap. How are you? 00:56:48 Speaker 4: Thank you, sir. I'm doing great. Thanks for having me. 00:56:51 Speaker 1: It's nice to have a host of another show on sometimes, too, because people think that if you're in the media, we all get together at these dinners or these once-a-month meetings, and we talk about talking points and what we're going to talk about and what ideas we're going to exchange and nothing could be farther for the truth in many cases. So it's always good to hear the perspective of someone else who does what I do and, and talks politics, uh, current events, cultural things. Uh, first and foremost, let's tackle the topics one by one, Mike, if we can on, on AI or SI had a guest earlier on the show tonight, uh, who's the author of a book called the grim old days and introduction to the pre-industrial past and how, uh, you know, before the industrial revolution or with each technological advancement in humankind, people were hand wringing and biting their nails and just, Oh my God, it's going to be the end of everything as we know it. And, uh, in many cases, in most cases, as a matter of fact, it wound up benefiting all humankind. Do you see this, uh, this move towards super intelligence to be that same kind of thing as the industrial revolution, the digital revolution, and the other things that mankind has seen over the, the, you know, the history of us. 00:58:13 Speaker 4: Yeah, I do. 00:58:13 Speaker 7: And I, I would probably agree with your last guest. I mean, you know, when you think about it and you think about how many people were freaking out over the car, the computer, I mean, some of the dumbest thing you think back and go, what were these people thinking? I think, In 100 years from now, people are going to look back at our history and wonder what we were doing. I mean, first they'll look at Joe Biden, of course, and say, what were they thinking? But when they get into all this stuff in the technological age, I mean, it's kind of like, you know, I equate it to like watching the Hindenburg go down, which didn't go down far from where I sit in New Jersey right now. But just the voices, the way they interpreted media back

then, it just sounds so foreign to us now. 00:58:49 Speaker 2: I like it. 00:58:50 Speaker 7: I use it on my show. It's sped me up with different things. If I want to write an article and get it to flow better, or if I want to create a thumbnail for my show, it speeds up so many things. I was just talking to my wife who works in a hospital. She was telling me they got rid of all the scribes. The doctors had scribes. 00:59:08 Speaker 4: Now with AI. 00:59:10 Speaker 7: yeah, so it may cost us some jobs here and there, but I think it's going to create more overall. 00:59:15 Speaker 1: Well, and these data centers that people are having the NIMBY effect to, not in my backyard, we may be great, but not here, are creating all these construction jobs and all these permanent jobs. So there's job creation, not job elimination, as you just mentioned. Is self-policing the way to go, or should the government be more involved? I don't like government intrusion. I don't like it for a couple of reasons. 00:59:45 Speaker 7: I mean, well, and you and I are going to probably agree on a lot of things. But, you know, when you look at any time the government gets involved, they screw up. I was just talking about and not a little off topic, but just to make a point that that woman, Christina Pike, they were trying to execute the other day. 00:59:59 Speaker 4: The government can't do that right. So when you when you look. 01:00:03 Speaker 7: At government, you have the last couple of years and look at what they did during covid where they screwed that up. I wrote two books on COVID, by the way, that were banned by the media because government told them to ban the books. And then, of course, people don't know the reality of what really happened during COVID. 01:00:18 Speaker 4: But, you know, that's just kind of how we go. 01:00:20 Speaker 7: I think Donald Trump hit the nail on the head where he said, look, if you want a data center in your backyard, we're going to give you incentives. We're going to work with that community. You're probably going to get rich off the back of that data center. If you don't want it, oh, well, see you later. Let's move on. We got bigger fish to fry. I love the approach that he's taking with this. And I think people really need to wake up. This is the future. 01:00:41 Speaker 1: I would have been very interested in your COVID books, Mike Schwartz, because I was on the air on this program in April of 2020 when they started talking about 15 days to slow the spread and locking everything down. And I went off on a torrent. I went off on a rampage that night because My BS detector, my radar had figured out that I started calling it from that point the scamdemic. And I did all through. And when it came to masking, when it came to the bogus six feet of separation thing, when it came to the mandating. of these unproven jabs. I think the one great failure of the first Trump administration because of the election and because of the knee-jerk and because of all the fear-mongering that was going on in the media and by people like Dr. Fauci, who he was listening to, throttle forward with this Operation Warp Speed. I thought it was incredible what they did, but it was awful, the end result, the genetic mutation that was happening called a vaccine was awful for so many people and it continues to be so i probably was on the same side i don't know how did you view all of. 01:02:04 Speaker 7: That well i'll go i'll go you one better and here's something you don't you may or may not know about me i don't know how much you looked up but i we have a medical clinic here in new jersey and i had one back in the day in florida as well we were actually the first company to do a covid test on anyone in the state of new jersey So when COVID started, and it's a long story as to why one of the labs that we work with was one of the first 30 in the nation to get FDA approval. And we had practiced good medicine before that. So we used to do what's called a respiratory pathogen panel on any sick patient. 01:02:33 Speaker 4: So we knew how to do this. Most doctors still today don't do this. 01:02:36 Speaker 7: And when we ran out the door with COVID, we had over 19,000 patients. We did 44,000 tests. I have two books out on it. The first one's called Fauci's Fiction. The second one is called Vaccine Fiction. And this was based on our real data and what we saw. So we predicted the mortality rate of COVID-19 in April of 2020. 01:02:55 Speaker 4: Now, when we started getting out this information, of course, I got shadow banned. We got kicked off YouTube. Anytime I would. 01:03:01 Speaker 7: Do an interview or try to put something out on social media, it would get shadow banned and people say, oh, you're going to kill people. Meanwhile, we were the only ones that actually had this information. So still to this day, we have the largest amount of horizontal data on COVID-19. 01:03:15 Speaker 4: On the planet. 01:03:16 Speaker 7: And there's a reason for that. And people will say 19,000 is not a lot. We tested a lot of these people weekly. We would do schools, nursing homes, assisted livings. We would test the same cops every Wednesday, but we measured CT value, which is your viral load. 01:03:30 Speaker 4: We measured co-infection, comorbidity. 01:03:33 Speaker 7: And I think I'm the only guy in the country who called every single positive every night when we report it to get their symptomology and record that. 01:03:40 Speaker 4: So it's interesting. I could talk to you about COVID for two hours, but I know That's taboo now in the media. 01:03:46 Speaker 2: No, it's not. 01:03:47 Speaker 1: Not on this show, it's not. I will say one thing for iHeartMedia, and I've said this on the air before, that nobody ever told me to cool it, calm it down, Gary Jeff. Nobody said you can't say that. There were a lot of people I worked with who looked at me sideways and people who thought I was a kook or I was going to be responsible

for killing people. But the corporate fathers never told me that I couldn't talk about it, and they still haven't to this day. So we can talk about that ad nauseum anytime you want to. The Supreme Court with a 6-3 order letting third country deportations resume again. 01:04:27 Speaker 3: And, I. 01:04:30 Speaker 1: Mean, this is something... That is law in our country. If you're here illegally, you're breaking the law. And why can't you be sent back to where you came from? And if you can't go back to the country you came from, why can't you be sent somewhere else? You don't belong in our country. What are your views on this? 01:04:53 Speaker 4: Just get them out. Look, I mean, I'm with you on this. 01:04:55 Speaker 7: I mean, when you saw that open border, you saw how many people just came into this country freely. I don't care where we send them, just not here. I 100% agree. And that's the thing with this court. You know, today I was talking about they didn't grant sartoria on a Second Amendment challenge. And I'm sitting here scratching my head because half the decisions that the Supreme Court makes, I go, great, they finally got one. And the other half, I'm going, what is wrong with the Supreme Court? 01:05:19 Speaker 4: Donald Trump was calling out a couple. 01:05:20 Speaker 7: Of the members the other day But I mean, this one's a no brainer. If you've got people who are not supposed to be here in this country, you know, I think everybody, at least on our side, is very, very happy that the president shut down the border, did what he said, and we're starting to get more deportations. 01:05:35 Speaker 4: However, you know, we're not quite up to par yet. 01:05:38 Speaker 7: I mean, you look at Obama, who deported three million of these illegal aliens. 01:05:43 Speaker 4: It's time we ramp it up a bit. And I think we would have, if not. 01:05:47 Speaker 7: So much for the pushback on every single level this president gets. 01:05:50 Speaker 1: Yeah, on everything. You're right. And the other thing about the illegal situation is that still a majority of Americans in poll after poll say they're okay with illegals being deported in this country. So the pushback's not coming from the public. The pushback is coming from the media and the opposing party more than anything else, and they are relentless. Jack Smith was just on Capitol Hill. defending all the investigations and the constant persecutions of President Trump and those who were around the president and the president's friends and advisors. How do you think Jack did? He can't walk it back, can he, Gary? 01:06:38 Speaker 7: You know, I love when people are proven wrong and they can't even admit it. It's this cognitive distortion that we are constantly met with. From all these public figures, from people in the media, from everybody. I mean, once somebody bought it, they got to run with it. Jack Smith, the guy deserves to be in jail. You saw what he did to all those other senators. I was briefing

Senator Ron Johnson on the Hill just when that story broke about that he had tapped their phones. I mean, talk about intrusive. I would love to see them tap this guy's phone. Maybe we can get into what he's really thinking so he doesn't have to walk about publicly. 01:07:11 Speaker 4: We could figure him out on our own. 01:07:13 Speaker 1: We're talking to Michael J. Schwartz, the Mike Schwartz Show. You can catch that on Rumble and soon on YouTube, he says. And let's get to this White House press ban. You know, the First Amendment, which includes, of course, freedom of the press, that the government will not have control over what the press writes or the press is an independent kind of watchdog. The press, the media in today's America has been used as a lapdog for Joe Biden and as an attack dog on Donald Trump. Not a watchdog in either particular case, in my opinion. And with President Trump saying, you know what? You come to the White House and you're going to push these fake stories, which are hurting not only me, but hurting the American public and our agenda of making America great again. MS Now, CNN, Politico. You can report from somewhere else. Coming up this week, I think it's the 8th, the judge extending, either extending or not extending the order, the ban can return overnight. Department of Justice says access is a privilege, not a right, and they want Cheryl overturned. My whole thing has been the freedom of the press was written in support of an objective press. Someone who would shoot straight and just give people the facts and not commentate or opinionize. There's a place for all of that, but you can't act like or treat it like it's news if you're not going to give an objective. I mean, ms now cnn and politico among others have been no better than pravda in the old soviet union in my opinion what what do you think about this this press ban from the white house the president you and i. 01:09:10 Speaker 7: Are we're on the same page this is a judge his name is timothy kelly he's a trump appointee from 2017 i just wrote an article on this he's the same guy who gave Jim Acosta his credentials back in 2018. You mentioned Cheryl B. Knight, 1977 Circuit Court decision. And basically what this does is there's not a general constitutional. 01:09:31 Speaker 4: Right to enter the White House, okay? 01:09:34 Speaker 7: The government voluntarily establishes the White House press facilities and a credentialing system. 01:09:39 Speaker 4: The bigger case, though, is Karembi Trump. Karembi Trump is recent. 01:09:42 Speaker 7: And Karembi Trump, this is Brian Karembi, had a heart pass that was suspended following an altercation at a White House event. And what happened was when you look at this case, they essentially said that they did not give the guy fair notice. So I equate that to two points on this. I equate that to like the pool rules. If we put a sign out the briefing room and say, you know, no, no diving, no swimming after dark, you know,

things like that. 01:10:05 Speaker 4: No glass at the pool. 01:10:06 Speaker 7: If we, if we notify them what, what, what behavior is wrong, then we could at least warn them and hold them accountable and kick them out. I don't think the band is going to hold up. And I'm look, We're probably on the same page where we want it to hold up because I look at it like the CCCP. 01:10:21 Speaker 4: I look at this like China. 01:10:23 Speaker 7: If you imagine those folks in China getting fed state news, the folks in this country don't realize they've been getting fed state news from these outlets, these legacy outlets the entire time. And what I think Trump is doing, even though the ban may not hold up legally, Trump is at least opening up the discussion where that people might start realizing to start to realize this is happening. 01:10:44 Speaker 4: And if you would, I'll give you a quick example. The other day on CNN. 01:10:49 Speaker 7: I saw a black reporter talking about a young black woman, 29 years old, who got hung, hung from a tree. And on the story, he said, this brings back memories of lynching. 01:10:58 Speaker 4: And the story ended. 01:10:59 Speaker 7: He neglected to tell everybody that the three perpetrators who hung this poor woman were also black. You can tell the story and say at the end of the day, yes, the story was true. But when you don't give the entirety of the story, You are leaving a substantial portion for your listeners and viewers to go back and try to do some research to figure out what's going on. 01:11:19 Speaker 4: That's the problem with these legacy outlets. 01:11:21 Speaker 1: Well, it's a one-sided affair. It's not both sides. 01:11:27 Speaker 2: Let's see. 01:11:27 Speaker 1: There's a guy here in town who writes letters to the editor of the Cincinnati Inquirer, which is another disappearing city postage stamp now. That is all liberal, all biased, all the time. And he writes these letters from the conservative viewpoint that never get published or hardly ever get published by the Cincinnati Inquirer. And then he wrote something about this Jack Greiner, who is hardcore left, anti-Trump, about Jack Greiner saying, And him wanting to be, in his column, strictly legal, wanting to be a songwriter because he rewrote Wouldn't It Be Nice by the Beach Boys to Wouldn't It Be Nice If Trump Was Actually a Real President and all this other stuff. And so I wrote a response back. I said, and it was addressed to my friend who writes the letters that never get published and this guy who is obviously a hardcore lefty and anti-Trumper. And I said, it would really be nice if you were writing about something that was relevant and not a media platform that has about 200 readers. So I really, really don't. Thank you for bringing it to my attention because I never would have even thought to read the Inquirer had you not. And now I don't have to anyway. I mean, it's the same thing, but it's the bias in the media is overwhelming anyway. And

it's in our newsrooms, at our local radio stations, at our local newspapers, and on big event stages like CNN, MSNOW, Politico, et al., ABC News. You know what's fun about those people being in the White House? You know what's fun about that? Is President Trump's response to them always and his dressing down of them. I mean, it just, from his standpoint … From his standpoint, they're just wasting time, basically, shoveling this manure. But it's fun to watch him respond. You've got to admit that. 01:13:43 Speaker 4: We're going to miss him when he's gone. 01:13:44 Speaker 7: I say that all the time for everybody out there who says, oh, I can't stand the tweeting. 01:13:48 Speaker 4: I say, you're going to miss me so quickly, so boldly, so strongly. 01:13:52 Speaker 7: You're going to come out there. You're going to miss this guy. Like you've never missed any other president. I mean, nobody says that about Bush. 01:13:57 Speaker 4: And I get it. 01:13:58 Speaker 7: Look, he is a different animal. But that's why we elected him. He's an animal of the people. You know, he's somebody who says what's on his mind. He doesn't care. 01:14:07 Speaker 4: And to your point on the media, you and I could write the talking points. 01:14:11 Speaker 7: I say that to my audience all the time. I'll have a clip lined up. It might be Chuck Schumer. Or Hakeem Jeffery. And I'll say, what do you think he's going to say? Because at this point, we could literally write the speeches for them. And then I'll play the clip. And they're like, yep, that's what I thought he was going to say. It's the same story every day. They don't address anything. They don't care about the people. And the biggest point of that, too, when you think about this, there are so many people. I'm looking at these polls and how tight some of them are, some red states. 01:14:37 Speaker 4: You would be nuts. 01:14:38 Speaker 7: To give these people any power, all you got to do is look toward what we were just saying. Look back at what we were just talking about in COVID when they had the power. 01:14:46 Speaker 4: Lockdown, forced mandate shots. 01:14:48 Speaker 7: These people shouldn't come within a mile of getting any power because when you give them an inch, they will take a mile. 01:14:55 Speaker 4: They will take total control. And this country will never. 01:14:58 Speaker 7: Look like what we expected it to or what we grew up in at the very least. 01:15:01 Speaker 1: Do you believe, Mike Schwartz, that the midterms are not a lost cause as the president does, as I do? 01:15:08 Speaker 4: Look, they're not a lost cause. 01:15:09 Speaker 7: When you look at MAGA, in fact, Harry from CNN was just on TV saying MAGA support is at 98%, only down one point from 99%. The base is still here. You could raise the gas prices as much as you want. 01:15:21 Speaker 4: And I get that. 01:15:23 Speaker 7: I know gas prices are coming from us in the midterms because the middle are the ones that really determine the

elections. And they're the ones that don't listen to your show and my show. We need to keep the message out there. But MAGA hasn't gone anywhere. We get out and vote in droves like we did in twenty twenty four. There's a good shot. 01:15:39 Speaker 4: We can keep the midterms, but we have to vote. 01:15:42 Speaker 7: That's why you see President Trump out there doing 32 rallies in almost the same amount of days. He has to run like he's on the ballot. 01:15:48 Speaker 4: So I'm glad to see him out there. 01:15:49 Speaker 1: No, because and as I made the point earlier with another guest, he has to run as if he's on the ballot because the Democrats are running as if he's on the ballot. And that's as simple as it is. Mike Schwartz, thank you so much. The Mike Schwartz Show. Look for it. And thanks for your time tonight. It was fun. 01:16:06 Speaker 2: My pleasure. 01:16:07 Speaker 4: Thank you so much. 01:16:08 Speaker 1: You got it. We'll finish with the furball. And a half hour of sports for the out of sorts on the Nightcap on 700 WLW. As we put the wraps on this cap tonight, we're joined by a mainstay of this show, a staple of this show. I would say that he is the bread of life compared to the rest of this nightcap sandwich. And he is the man that holds it all together for me. Or maybe not. Maybe he's the guy that pulls it all apart and separates it on the plate and we eat it separately. What am I talking about? I have no idea. But I do know that Andy Furman is on the line, and we're ready to go for another exciting conversation on the nightcap. Hello, Furball. What's going on? 01:16:55 Speaker 2: You know, I love chatting with you. And I'm going to put the kind of cap on these activities because everybody's talking about the Bengals. You know, I'm not upset. A lot of people are upset. They're going crazy. They're yelling. They're pointing fingers at either coaches or Joe Burrow. Why? I don't know. But here's the thing. I'm not upset because I'm numb. I'm numb to this because I'm used to this. I'm used to this right now. And honestly, if you look at the stats and people always say, I'm used to the key to the game with Dave Lapham and Dave Lapham saying, you know, turnovers, you use the same keys every game. Let me tell you what the key to the game was, is, and should be. Balance. It's all about balance. Yesterday, the Cincinnati Bengals ran the ball for 23 yards. 23 yards rushing. Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? Okay. And also, the play calling, a very... Very touch and go. When you have a fourth and, like, the distance of a credit card and you're punting, I mean, really? With the two receivers at the time that were in the game, Jamar Chase and T. Higgins, I don't understand his play calling. And what he needs to do, and I'm talking about Zach Taylor, is give it up. Give up the play calling. It's not working. You're ultra conservative, you know? And it's not working. And he's coaching scared. And he knows he's got one foot in the grave. If

they don't make the playoffs this year, he won't be back. Either will the fans. 01:18:09 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree with all of that, which is amazing. Every time I concur with you on every point you've made, I get worried the conversation might lag and we wouldn't get anything out of it ultimately. But I think that you are on to everything that was a matter yesterday with the Bengals and has been, as you mentioned at the top. Happening for quite a while with the Zach Taylor coach team, and it's not blaming the coach. The coach is who he is, Andy. I don't think that he's going to change his stripes, no pun intended, with one loss or another. But him giving up the play calling duties i think would be a major major deal and be a great help to joe burrow and this offense Hey. 01:18:55 Speaker 2: Peyton did it in Denver, okay, but I'm not saying he's not going to do it. 01:18:58 Speaker 3: No. 01:18:58 Speaker 2: Okay, because I think it admits defeat. They're putting up the white flag. But here's another problem that I really have, more so than even the team's play, which, again, I'm used to it. I can't handle the media here. I cannot handle it. I will not mention names. The post-game show yesterday, I listened on the radio, and I will not give the satisfaction of giving the name of the person. Comparing to Jamar Chase's hit. which I thought was a dirty hit, and we'll get to that in a second, as the chemo von Olthoffen with Carson Palmer, which was not a dirty hit, okay? There's a situation here that it's a very thin line between being correct and honest or just being a damn homer, which makes me sick. It really does. What's the excuse going to be next week if, in fact, they lose to the Miami Dolphins? So I'm tired of that. That's making me sick. And more than that, shame on you. You call yourself a fan. I'm talking about the group of fans that go to the 60,000-plus, really. They're walking out with about six, seven minutes to go. 01:19:52 Speaker 1: On the ball game. Six and a half minutes left, and they're on the escalator of shame, leaving. 01:19:59 Speaker 2: That's disgusting. I won't say this much. Get back to the Jamar Chase injury, number two fault, okay? Number one, where is his teammates to his defense? If that was a Pittsburgh Steeler, the other guy would be in the hospital as well. 01:20:10 Speaker 1: I agree. 01:20:11 Speaker 2: Number one. Number two, I say there should be a new rule in the National Football League. If a guy gets knocked out of a game and misses a game, the guy who knocked him out as a dirty hit should be fine and miss the following game or maybe not return until the injured player who was knocked out returns. That should be the rule. That should be the rule, all right? I've got that off my chest. 01:20:33 Speaker 6: No, no. 01:20:34 Speaker 1: The Kimo van Olhoffen hit on Carson Palmer, it was a low blow, but it wasn't dirty. Yesterday was just downright dirty. The guy's got Jamar Chase by the face mask, bending his head around. He is completely defenseless. He's not a quarterback back in a stance making a pass. And the guy targets him How do they not call that targeting and throw that player out instantly, Andy? 01:21:00 Speaker 2: The officiating was terrible. 01:21:01 Speaker 1: No, no. Here, the officiating yesterday did not change the outcome of that game. Jacksonville had more penalties than the Bengals did, but it ruined the game for the fans, for the players, for everybody who was enjoying that game. The officiating... The officials are not supposed to be the game. They're supposed to officiate the game. They're not supposed to be the game. And that crew thought they were the game yesterday. It's often been said in the NFL, if you called holding every time there was holding, there would be holding on every play. They took that to heart and said, you know what? We're going to be the game. We're going to be the stars. I think that the lead referee... They remarked on television that he had massive experience in the USFL. Well, you know what? He ought to go back because he doesn't belong officiating an NFL crew. He really doesn't. None of those guys in stripes belonged out on that field with those professional players because they were anything but professional as officials to me. 01:22:09 Speaker 2: What do you think of that? It's great. I hear what you're saying, but you wasted about three and a half minutes on the officiating, which, as you mentioned early on, had no say-so in the formation or relaxation or the result of that ballgame. Let me tell you what the Bengals should do, and I hope Zach Taylor's listening will relay this to him. If the Bengals really and truly... want to get to a place in time where they'd be competitive, okay? They should not review the film of this game. They should call Jacksonville and get their film because they'll learn how to tackle a player by watching the Jacksonville Jaguars. That team may be the best tackling team I've ever seen in the last three years in the National Football League. They grab you. I mean, that last play of the game, okay? I mean, it was so close to a first thing. It would have changed the game, and they probably would have won. But they tackled the way tackling should be, not pushing, not shoving, not grabbing by the neck or grabbing a face mask or the horse collar. That got them around the ankles and brought them down. That's what they did. That's tackling. 01:23:04 Speaker 1: Well, the Bengals got several free agents this year that were going to help with that tackling problem that they have had. But you know what? About three or four of those guys that they got for that reason were out of yesterday's game, and it certainly showed. 01:23:20 Speaker 2: Well, here's the deal. The excuses are there, and they're there for the fools in the media that want to believe in it or suck up or they're afraid to really say what they really feel. Because now the excuse is, well, T. Higgins wasn't there,

and Jamar Chase wasn't there, and look, let me tell you something. Jacksonville, and I said this yesterday morning. You know, Bucky Brooks works for the Jacksonville Jaguars, and we do a Fox Sports radio show. 01:23:40 Speaker 6: Yeah. 01:23:42 Speaker 2: On the show, I said, look, Buck, I like the Bengals. I live here in Cincinnati. It's great for everybody when they win. Everybody's upbeat. It's great. I said, but I will tell you this much. Jacksonville is as good offensively as the Bengals, and they're better defensively. And they're going to win. And it may come down to the final play of the game. And eventually, it probably did. 01:23:59 Speaker 5: Really? 01:24:00 Speaker 2: That was the game. And he hit on the head. He said, well, I'm not going to say anything. I'd like to see Jacksonville win. That's what he said because he works for him. And I just said that, yeah, I'd like to see Cincinnati win. But honestly, comparing the quarterbacks now, Joe Burrow and Jacksonville, come on, really? Trevor Lawrence and Joe Burrow, that's not the point. And I'm hearing people on the radio, even today, saying that Joe Burrow's great. You know what? You know when you're great? When you have something behind your name saying you've accomplished something. You can win. You know, with an average quarterback, Jared Goff is not a tremendous Hall of Fame quarterback. But you know what? The team won with him. You can win with a Jared Goff. Yeah, Joe Burrow is better than Jared Goff, okay? But Joe Burrow has made mistakes of late. He's a great quarterback. He has been a great quarterback. It's not working here for whatever the reason. It's not working. Joe Burrow is going to become another Dan Marino, a great quarterback. They never won anything. That's basically what it is. Marina went to the Super Bowl once. Joe Burrow, bingo. Same thing. 01:24:59 Speaker 1: Do you think Joe Burrow leaves? 01:25:02 Speaker 2: No, no, no. He's going to stay here. Why would he leave? Good money. He's from this area. He's got his nonprofit over here. He's got everything going on here. He's got a house. He's not going to go anywhere, really. And the point is that the older he gets, the less opportunities he's going to have to go because of his age. 01:25:18 Speaker 3: Really. 01:25:18 Speaker 2: I mean, he's 30 now in November. I mean, he's going to enter the twilight of his career real soon. 01:25:23 Speaker 1: And it's a shame. The sad truth is, I believe Joe Burrow is a great quarterback. I believe he. 01:25:31 Speaker 2: Right, but what has he done? Look, I don't think Kurt Cousins is a great quarterback, but look what he's doing for the Raiders. 01:25:36 Speaker 1: Well, and I think it's because of the franchise that he's playing for. He's been bingolized. When you said. 01:25:46 Speaker 2: The personnel he's playing with. 01:25:47 Speaker 1: When you said... that you weren't upset about the Bengals lost. You were numb. Joe Burrow has to be feeling the same thing right now.

01:25:58 Speaker 2: He has to be. He's pissed. 01:26:00 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, but what I'm saying is you both have been Bengalized. This is the reason that I became a Kansas City Chiefs fan before Joe Burrow was drafted, before the Chiefs won their first of three Super Bowls with Patrick Mahomes, because I saw Mahomes and I saw Andy Reid, And I saw the talent that was stacked around Patrick Mahomes and what Mahomes could do as a general in his rookie year. And then I saw, and I didn't see that ever happening with the Bengals. 01:26:28 Speaker 2: And now they have a running game. Bingo. Now they have a great running game. Kenneth Walker? Are you kidding me? Now they have a big-time running game. Now they're really dangerous. 01:26:37 Speaker 1: I think Kansas City, I think everybody discounted Kansas City because of the season they had last year. And I said, with the addition of Kenneth Walker and a running game, along with Patrick Mahomes, incredible command. 01:26:52 Speaker 2: The running game, look, do I have to explain this to Zach Taylor? The running game does so much for a team. Number one, you get ball control. Number two, you eat up the clock. Number three, it opens up the passing game, okay? You rush for 23 yards, and Joe Burrow was the leading rusher. Are you kidding me? something's wrong with that picture. You have to have balance. You throw for 52– no, Joe Burrow threw for 52 attempts. I will promise you this. Two stats I'd look at in the box score following a game. Turnovers, whichever team had more turnovers probably lost. Or if a quarterback throws for more than 30 attempts, there's a good chance he's losing because he's coming from behind. 01:27:27 Speaker 5: Yep. Right? 01:27:28 Speaker 1: Absolutely. 01:27:28 Speaker 2: He threw 52 attempts. Come on. 01:27:30 Speaker 3: Really? 01:27:31 Speaker 1: Well, you can't deny Joe Burrow's obvious talent, but you're right. The scheme, whether it was the scheme, whether it was a play calling, Chase Brown is better than he was able to show yesterday because he wasn't showcased. 01:27:46 Speaker 2: You're right. You know what, though? Here's the guy. You've got to have a big time running back. You've got to go about hefty, straight. He's more of a receiver body than a running back body. I agree. That's the problem. He's slick. He's good. He finds the open hole, but he's not running like Kenneth Walker III. There's no way. 01:28:02 Speaker 1: Well, you know, see if somebody wants to give up Derrick Henry. 01:28:08 Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, I just, again, I shake my head. And again, I wasn't surprised. I'll tell you why. Because the fans had a little bit of fool's gold in it. What do I mean by that? The two games that they won, those two teams right now were 0-8 combined. They're still looking for their first win. All right? So don't tell me the Bengals should be 3-1 right now, 4-0, whatever it may be. Those teams are 0-8. They haven't won anything. 01:28:33 Speaker 1: Yeah, and the fans, I made a response to somebody else I was talking to last night after watching the game. escalator of shame with six and a half minutes left to go in the fourth quarter yesterday. I said, no, wait a minute. These people were up early, many of them up early, 8 a.m., whatever, out tailgating and partying it up. They paid to park, exorbitant money. They paid exorbitant money to be there, and they're giving up on their team with almost a half a quarter left to go. 01:29:05 Speaker 2: They wouldn't do that in Kansas City. No, hell no. Nope, right? 01:29:12 Speaker 1: And the only reason they're doing it is to avoid a little bit of traffic. They've been there all day, and they're going to worry about spending an extra 15, 20 minutes in traffic on the way out, and that's why they're leaving. They're not real fans. They're not real fans. I agree with you. 01:29:31 Speaker 2: I'm an upbeat kind of guy. I'm a positive guy. And the only reason why, honestly, in my heart of hearts, I want to see the Bengals do well and win. This is a truth from the bottom of my heart. I want to see Mike Brown put a Super Bowl ring on his hand before he departs this earth. He deserves it. And the good news is that the team right now, no one is pointing a finger at him that he's, quote, cheap, that everybody did for years. So don't blame him. But, you know, I love the man. He's been good to me throughout my entire life. He's been writing resume letters for me. It's just so good. And he's a football guy. You know, I wrote a letter once to Dartmouth College saying, saying that he should be in the Dartmouth Hall of Fame, which he is not as far as I know right now. And I sent him a copy of the letter. He called me up. He said, look, no, don't do that. He's a guy. He deserves this. He deserves to be there holding that trophy when they win the Super Bowl. And I hope he lives to see it. That's all I'm saying. 01:30:25 Speaker 1: Let me ask you a couple more NFL questions real quick, Andy, while we've got some time. You're a Brooklyn guy. You came from New York. It's been a long time. Does it do your heart good to see the New York Giants back in. 01:30:39 Speaker 2: Front of the NFC East? They're 3-1, and their starting quarterback's gone. They don't have a quarterback. I got J.J. McCarthy on deck coming up to quarterback. Come on, are you kidding me? 3-1, the Giants. John Harbaugh. There's a coach. There's a coach. Talk about culture. People throw out the word culture. I have no idea what it means. They really don't. These media people, no, change the culture. No, no. John Harbaugh changed culture, all right? He got these guys to play, and there's a little bit of fear factor in there, too. All right? 01:31:06 Speaker 4: Yeah. 01:31:07 Speaker 2: That's the difference. 01:31:09 Speaker 1: Hey, and the New York Jets took the Buffalo Bills to the wire in Buffalo, Andy. 01:31:15 Speaker 2: They lost. An L's an L. That's the way they are. An L's an L. J-E-T-S. Jets, Jets, Jets. Come on. Oh, the Giants own that city. They always have. I love the Giants. I love John Harper. Too bad his brother can't get it done in L.A. with the Chargers. They're 0-4. 01:31:35 Speaker 1: They're putrid. They're absolutely. Well, at least the Bengals aren't putrid, right? They're not 0-4. 01:31:41 Speaker 2: They're sloppy. I think to put a word to it, sloppy. I'll tell you what, to some extent, they're soft. The way they play defense, they don't tackle hard. They're soft. 01:31:48 Speaker 1: We were talking about the improvements they've made in the defense the first couple of games. and it's reverted back to the same old thing, the lack of tackling. 01:31:58 Speaker 2: No, it's better competition. That's why they play better competition. That's the key, really. 01:32:03 Speaker 1: Well, you know, if I see any secondary player just kind of flying at some guy, a tight end who's just made a reception, and you see that tight end go another 20 yards when the guy had a chance to at least slow him down and he doesn't do anything but just kind of, make this flailing attempt flying by him like he's Superman or something. That's what I saw yesterday from the Bengals secondary, and they were playing a bunch of young players, no excuses. You've got to tackle somebody, Andy. 01:32:36 Speaker 2: I'm just happy I'm not a Bengals player. 01:32:38 Speaker 3: You know why? 01:32:38 Speaker 2: I don't have to look at the tape again. 01:32:42 Speaker 1: That's a horror movie you do not want to see. 01:32:45 Speaker 2: I agree. 01:32:46 Speaker 1: All right. Is there anything else on your radar, or are you done? 01:32:49 Speaker 2: I am done. I'm done. I think so to Bengals. 01:32:53 Speaker 1: Stick a fork in Furman. All right, baby. 01:32:57 Speaker 2: See ya. Thanks. 01:32:58 Speaker 1: Remember, Bengals fans, you can't spell Furman without F-U. I almost messed that up. We will close the nightcap in just a moment here on 700 WLW.