Full Transcript for Father's Loss Turned Into Remote Energy Healing w/ Luminara l Ep 37

you reached out to me, the real reason why I was like, oh, this is so fascinating. 00:02:13.680 --> 00:02:21.759 I definitely want to bring you on to have a conversation, is what inspired your creation of Luminara, because you have a very logic-based background. 00:02:21.919 --> 00:02:28.960 You went to university, got all the degrees, and what inspired this was the unfortunate passing of your son. 00:02:29.360 --> 00:02:34.879 So that I am very interested in all things that are born from grief and born through trauma. 00:02:35.120 --> 00:02:37.599 This was born from grief, born through trauma. 00:02:37.759 --> 00:02:47.919 So I wanted to bring you on to talk about how your son, how you guys worked together, because he's working with you to create Luminara. 00:02:48.240 --> 00:02:49.439 Why Luminara? 00:02:50.240 --> 00:02:53.280 Um, and yeah, basically that's it. 00:02:53.439 --> 00:02:54.319 Why Luminara? 00:02:54.479 --> 00:02:54.960 What do you think? 00:02:55.120 --> 00:02:57.520 What why does this what you want to give? 00:02:57.680 --> 00:02:59.759 So let's start with talking about your son. 00:03:00.000 --> 00:03:01.199 Yeah, thank you, Gabriella. 00:03:01.280 --> 00:03:02.080 Thank you for having me here. 00:03:02.319 --> 00:03:02.479 Thank you. 00:03:03.439 --> 00:03:05.039 I'm honored to be the first international guest. 00:03:05.439 --> 00:03:10.400 First international guest in Paris, a bougie, abusive international place. 00:03:11.759 --> 00:03:12.719 Um, yeah. 00:03:12.960 --> 00:03:20.960 Um, so well, no one is prepared to lose a child, and it's not the way it's meant to happen. 00:03:21.120 --> 00:03:27.039 Um, so in 2014, my wife and I, we had a first boy in 2010. 00:03:27.199 --> 00:03:27.520 Okay. 00:03:27.759 --> 00:03:28.879 Perfectly fine. 00:03:29.039 --> 00:03:29.280 Okay. 00:03:29.520 --> 00:03:32.240 Um, but my wife is British Indian. 00:03:32.400 --> 00:03:32.719 Okay. 00:03:32.960 --> 00:03:36.240 Uh I'm French, so we're not blood related at all. 00:03:36.479 --> 00:03:48.560 And yet we figured out that we had a gene that was broken, this very same gene broken for two different reasons, uh, different mutation. 00:03:49.439 --> 00:03:56.719 So having um that was something super rare. 00:03:56.879 --> 00:04:02.159 Like I often say it's like tossing a coin in Los Angeles and asking you to find it, Gabriella. 00:04:02.400 --> 00:04:05.759 It's that uh you know statistically, it doesn't make sense. 00:04:06.879 --> 00:04:15.840 But our kid we we discovered that at around the fifth month of uh pregnancy, that his uh kidneys uh had an issue. 00:04:16.079 --> 00:04:22.399 So it was absorbing all the amniotic fluid, and therefore the the lungs can't develop. 00:04:22.720 --> 00:04:32.560 So we gave him a chance, and we had the the joy of of having him uh uh uh in the world for three days, but then he transitioned. 00:04:32.879 --> 00:04:58.480 And and that was um the moment everything started because um well silence is really something that is very, very hard to live with when you know people don't know what to tell you, and you feel that uh you know they want to help you and you want to say kind things, but they couldn't say anything during the pregnancy. 00:04:58.560 --> 00:05:09.439 But the moment uh he passed away, I felt like silence, the presence of people in the funeral was so wonderful, so such a bless. 00:05:10.160 --> 00:05:11.439 The stillness, yeah. 00:05:12.000 --> 00:05:23.439 And then and that's how it all started because I discovered silence, and then I created an app five years after called Hilo that was a name, it's like WhatsApp meets headspace. 00:05:23.680 --> 00:05:26.160 Okay, um, and that was the first step of my journey. 00:05:26.399 --> 00:05:28.319 Yeah, and then that app became Luminara. 00:05:28.800 --> 00:05:36.079 And then I I yes, I it's um you you may call it a yeah, um a pivot. 00:05:36.240 --> 00:05:36.560 Okay. 00:05:36.879 --> 00:06:12.879 Um, and I I had the chance to experience Hilo with friends and at with uh an NGO called November in uh November 2022, and that led me to put this intention on studying what is the power of collective meditation, what is the power of what's happening when people gather in silence, and I thought, wow, science must have some some clues about what we're experiencing, and and then I had this amazing synchronicity early 2023. 00:06:13.279 --> 00:06:16.480 Okay, a moment that wasn't supposed to happen. 00:06:16.639 --> 00:06:37.439 But I met this woman who healed her mom, and and that changed everything because when I had this intention of studying the science around um, you know, collective meditation and and and remote healing, I then met this woman who told me about the story of her and her mom. 00:06:37.839 --> 00:06:40.240 And do you want me to go into this story? 00:06:40.639 --> 00:06:41.279 Please, no, yeah. 00:06:41.360 --> 00:06:43.040 I'm like, you're like, I had this moment. 00:06:43.199 --> 00:06:45.279 I was like, do you want to talk about the moment? 00:06:45.920 --> 00:06:50.639 Okay, yeah, so so this woman, uh, it's a crazy story. 00:06:50.879 --> 00:06:54.160 Um so I had this intention, right? 00:06:55.040 --> 00:07:06.480 And then what happens is that um a friend of mine that is living in Romania just said to me, Roman, you got to meet my fiance. 00:07:07.120 --> 00:07:14.879 And he was coming to Paris, he was in Paris already, and he wanted me to meet her so badly that I had to see her. 00:07:15.439 --> 00:07:21.759 So I say, All right, it was 2nd of Jan 2023, it was a Monday, I remember very well. 00:07:22.160 --> 00:07:25.600 And so this friend is telling me, You got to meet her. 00:07:25.759 --> 00:07:26.959 Okay, okay, fine, fine, fine. 00:07:27.120 --> 00:07:33.680 So I have a dog, I had a dog at the time, and I went on, and I see is so excited. 00:07:33.839 --> 00:07:40.720 And when you see a friend that's so excited, uh you feel like some there's something in the air, you

know? 00:07:40.879 --> 00:07:44.000 Yeah, and he won't he was he proposed to her. 00:07:44.160 --> 00:07:46.240 He he he he bought the rings at Cartier. 00:07:46.480 --> 00:07:56.160 Oh my god, Cardiff, we're just talking about on top of the Champs d'Alysée, and he was so excited, and then I I hear her saying, Well, we're still in negotiation. 00:07:57.120 --> 00:08:01.519 So I'm like, wait a second, how how many months, how many years have you been dating? 00:08:01.680 --> 00:08:03.759 Yeah, and he said, Well, two weeks. 00:08:04.720 --> 00:08:06.560 So you're like, wait a second. 00:08:06.800 --> 00:08:10.800 So you proposed to me this woman that you only met two weeks ago. 00:08:10.959 --> 00:08:11.600 Two weeks, yes. 00:08:11.759 --> 00:08:16.959 So already there is a little something that makes you feel like, well, is this a candid camera? 00:08:17.040 --> 00:08:18.560 Like, seriously, is this happening? 00:08:18.879 --> 00:08:22.079 And this isn't a friend who had a history of rushing into relationship with the city. 00:08:22.399 --> 00:08:23.600 The guy's 50 years old. 00:08:23.839 --> 00:08:24.720 Okay, all right. 00:08:24.879 --> 00:08:30.800 It's not, it's not, you know, you think about young couple going to Las Vegas, getting married on the spur of the moment. 00:08:31.120 --> 00:08:32.639 But this was not that at all. 00:08:32.960 --> 00:08:34.960 But you think, wait a second, who's this woman? 00:08:35.120 --> 00:08:35.519 What is this? 00:08:35.919 --> 00:08:37.120 What is happening here? 00:08:37.440 --> 00:08:49.200 And so I look at this woman called Anna, and she's she's amazing, she's uh in fintech, she has this company with a PhD in math. 00:08:49.360 --> 00:08:54.240 She works, she has a PhD in uh uh economic science, she seems like super non-woo woo. 00:08:54.559 --> 00:08:58.399 So another person who's very logic and very logic, exactly. 00:08:58.720 --> 00:09:06.879 And so I am I am surprised, like why how come she he fell in love with her anyway? 00:09:06.960 --> 00:09:22.720 I'm talking about my intention because I ask her about all the questions about her job, and then I tell a bit about myself and the fact that I'm looking at you know, studying more around collective meditation and consciousness, etc. 00:09:23.120 --> 00:09:28.000 And I talk about Hilo, and I'm thinking, oh, she's gonna think I'm a little bit funny and stuff like that. 00:09:28.399 --> 00:09:30.879 And then she says, Well, I healed my mom. 00:09:31.600 --> 00:09:33.200 What do you mean you healed your mom? 00:09:33.519 --> 00:09:47.440 So story inside a story 15 years back, she told me that she was she was going through a divorce, two young kids, classic story, and she asked her mom for help. 00:09:47.679 --> 00:09:49.279 So she was living in Bucharest. 00:09:49.519 --> 00:09:52.159 Her mom is saying, Sure, darling, I'll go help you. 00:09:52.320 --> 00:09:54.720 She's coming to the house, and it's it's bliss. 00:09:54.879 --> 00:09:59.840 She finally got to work on her PhD, and the mom is taking care of many things. 00:10:01.120 --> 00:10:07.679 Up to the moment where she has a bike accident, and her mom is breaking her leg in many, many ways. 00:10:08.159 --> 00:10:11.360 And so Anna is going from heaven to hell. 00:10:11.679 --> 00:10:14.320 She has to take care of her mom, the kids, everything. 00:10:14.639 --> 00:10:16.559 Trying to do her PhD like it's a mess. 00:10:16.639 --> 00:10:17.919 Yeah, it's a mess. 00:10:18.080 --> 00:10:18.559 Yeah. 00:10:18.799 --> 00:10:21.440 And so Anna is desperate. 00:10:21.519 --> 00:10:24.960 It's, you know, this dark night of the soul kind of moment. 00:10:25.519 --> 00:10:28.080 It's yeah, unfortunately, that's how it tends to play out. 00:10:28.639 --> 00:10:29.679 It is, it is. 00:10:29.840 --> 00:10:31.360 And so she's telling me the story. 00:10:31.440 --> 00:10:32.960 I'm like, okay. 00:10:33.200 --> 00:10:42.639 And and then she says, Well, at some point, I had read, she told me I read some books around the power of positive visualization. 00:10:42.879 --> 00:10:43.120 Yes. 00:10:43.279 --> 00:10:51.600 You know, what which is quite you know, something athletes are doing, and it's it's not woo-woo, it's just yeah, something people do, but it's very powerful. 00:10:51.679 --> 00:10:55.120 And she thinks, you know, mom, I'm gonna heal you. 00:10:55.360 --> 00:10:57.120 Mommy's, yeah, sure, darling, go for it. 00:10:57.279 --> 00:11:12.480 So when the kids are in bed, she goes to her mom's room, and for 20 minutes, she's explaining to me that she's filling the room with love, light, angels, and and just visualizing the leg of her mom in perfect condition. 00:11:13.039 --> 00:11:16.480 Because, you know, she wanted her to heal much faster. 00:11:16.559 --> 00:11:22.080 And the doctors had said it's gonna take six to eight months for her to literally get back on her feet. 00:11:22.320 --> 00:11:24.000 Oh my god, literally, yeah. 00:11:24.480 --> 00:11:27.519 And it's just getting a lot faster, thanks to that. 00:11:27.919 --> 00:11:38.559 And at that moment, Gabriella, uh, it's really for me, uh, because of my the intention I had, this is there is such a synchronicity. 00:11:38.720 --> 00:11:50.559 I almost felt like someone was tapping on my shoulder and telling me, Roman, you wanted to read around you know, all the scientific papers on the power of healing, remote healing, etc. 00:11:50.799 --> 00:11:52.000 And here is Anna. 00:11:52.159 --> 00:11:53.759 This is a true story. 00:11:54.080 --> 00:11:56.879 She really did what she did, and it worked. 00:11:57.039 --> 00:12:01.440 And Anna became a bit of a legend in her family, and she helped her grandmother. 00:12:01.519 --> 00:12:05.200 And but then she went back onto her PhD and everything. 00:12:05.440 --> 00:12:09.679 But for me, this moment was a defining moment. 00:12:09.759 --> 00:12:15.120 And I thought, it's really as if I absorbed everything that I've done so far. 00:12:15.279 -->

00:12:28.320 And story with Raphael, my kid, who passed away in 2014, led me to this moment where I thought, all right, this is true, this is important, and how come no one knows about it? 00:12:28.559 --> 00:12:29.600 No one knows, yeah. 00:12:29.840 --> 00:12:33.919 And so from that moment, the seed of Luminara was planted. 00:12:34.000 --> 00:12:36.240 I mean, it was I followed the crumbs, as I often say. 00:12:36.559 --> 00:12:44.960 But this moment was a decisive moment where I thought, all right, I'll go all in and I'm going to study the market. 00:12:45.039 --> 00:12:48.559 Like, first of all, how do healers uh find clients? 00:12:48.720 --> 00:12:49.600 Who are these healers? 00:12:49.679 --> 00:12:53.840 I had, believe it or not, Gabriella, I had not done a single Reiki session. 00:12:53.919 --> 00:12:56.080 I know you've done Reiki, and that was an important moment. 00:12:56.399 --> 00:13:00.720 This is how you managed to find the book that really shifted your life. 00:13:01.279 --> 00:13:03.360 So it did, yes, yeah. 00:13:03.919 --> 00:13:05.759 I had no clue about any of the. 00:13:06.000 --> 00:13:10.240 I mean, I had I knew a friend who was doing Reiki, but I had not experienced this myself. 00:13:10.320 --> 00:13:12.399 I knew it existed, but I was blown away. 00:13:12.480 --> 00:13:18.240 Like Mayo Clinic is proposing Reiki in integrative oncology. 00:13:18.320 --> 00:13:24.480 Like, I discovered that this was not yet mainstream, but it was on the on the text of being is there. 00:13:24.799 --> 00:13:25.039 Yeah. 00:13:25.200 --> 00:13:27.279 I remember I read a book, I think it was Dr. 00:13:27.360 --> 00:13:28.480 Joe Dispense's book. 00:13:28.559 --> 00:13:30.559 Don't cover me in the comments if I'm incorrect. 00:13:30.720 --> 00:13:37.600 But the book started with this telling about this woman who had all these types of cancers that she had like multiple that she couldn't heal. 00:13:37.759 --> 00:13:41.360 She had issues with like these blisters that kept appearing. 00:13:41.440 --> 00:13:43.519 Like she'd so many immune disorders. 00:13:43.679 --> 00:13:47.360 And then she just said, Fuck it, I'm not taking my medicine anymore. 00:13:47.519 --> 00:13:50.799 And just started, and she got she just started meditating. 00:13:50.879 --> 00:13:52.320 That's what she prioritized. 00:13:52.480 --> 00:13:56.480 She dropped all the pills and drugs, and that was what healed her. 00:13:56.559 --> 00:13:59.120 That was what brought her back, living in alignment. 00:13:59.279 --> 00:14:02.000 So it's just crazy, these stories that are out there. 00:14:02.240 --> 00:14:02.879 Yes. 00:14:03.120 --> 00:14:03.519 Yes. 00:14:03.679 --> 00:14:07.279 And it's, I mean, we've been pill-driven so much. 00:14:07.440 --> 00:14:07.600 Yes. 00:14:08.320 --> 00:14:09.600 Let's let's just caveat. 00:14:10.000 --> 00:14:11.759 Sometimes you you may need a pill. 00:14:11.840 --> 00:14:12.159 Oh, yeah. 00:14:13.039 --> 00:14:13.519 Let's just make sure. 00:14:14.480 --> 00:14:15.679 Don't stop whatever is described. 00:14:16.480 --> 00:14:17.200 It does a lot for us. 00:14:19.360 --> 00:14:28.320 Um, but it's true that you know, there are there right now, what we're talking about is called a complementary uh type of medicine. 00:14:28.480 --> 00:14:29.120 Yeah. 00:14:30.559 --> 00:14:34.159 Because, you know, there is a Western, and then this this is complementary. 00:14:34.320 --> 00:14:37.840 Truth is, it can be more than just complementary. 00:14:38.159 --> 00:14:47.759 Now, it's complementary because of, you know, for legal reasons and and because you want to also make sure there is harmony, and and that's fine. 00:14:48.080 --> 00:15:00.000 But the power of energy healing and all these modalities, and Reiki is one of them, which is great because it it's a brand name that is famous now, is so powerful in so many ways. 00:15:00.159 --> 00:15:04.960 And the beauty is that it works remotely, which is mind-blowing. 00:15:05.200 --> 00:15:07.360 Yes, and that's what Luminara is. 00:15:07.600 --> 00:15:07.840 Yes. 00:15:07.919 --> 00:15:12.320 So, what we are, who we are, we're a talent agency, we're not a marketplace. 00:15:12.799 --> 00:15:21.120 So we're highly curating every single healer on the platform, and we have we're a telehealth company. 00:15:21.440 --> 00:15:26.559 So think about us like the future of clinics, okay. 00:15:26.799 --> 00:15:43.440 Clinics of the 21st century, where you can access amazing healing, and it's great for trauma, depression, anxiety, uh, chronic pain, all the pain um that are linked to cancer treatments. 00:15:43.679 --> 00:16:02.399 So these uh ailments have been proven um, you know, uh, I mean, there's a great rate of success using uh energy healing to help reduce the pain or to just help reduce um the the consequences of all these ailments. 00:16:02.720 --> 00:16:02.960 Okay. 00:16:03.120 --> 00:16:11.759 So Luminara matches you, the client, with an energy healer that you they that is signed with your agency and you think is fit. 00:16:12.000 --> 00:16:12.480 That's right. 00:16:12.639 --> 00:16:12.960 Okay. 00:16:13.279 --> 00:16:21.360 So we use a bit of AI to do the matching, but most importantly, what we do is we curate great healers. 00:16:21.679 --> 00:16:25.759 And we have many in the US, we have some in Europe, some in Canada. 00:16:26.000 --> 00:16:31.519 Um, and the point is we want uh energy healing to become mainstream. 00:16:31.759 --> 00:16:41.679 And in order to do that, you need to create uh a place of trust for people to find access to energy healing. 00:16:42.240 --> 00:16:46.879 Right now, you may know someone, Gabriella, who needs maybe an energy healing session. 00:16:47.039 --> 00:16:49.600 And so you're gonna recommend someone you know. 00:16:49.759 --> 00:16:51.200 So this is word of mouth, right? 00:16:51.519 --> 00:16:54.080 And this is good, and this will always stay. 00:16:54.240 --> 00:16:56.799 But the point is, this doesn't

scale fast, you know? 00:16:56.960 --> 00:17:00.960 Your friend is lucky to have you who knows someone, who knows someone, etc. 00:17:01.279 --> 00:17:01.840 This is cool. 00:17:02.000 --> 00:17:08.160 But also the Reiki healer or whoever healer you know may not be the best for your friend, it could be someone else. 00:17:08.319 --> 00:17:13.839 So, what we're doing is a is a house, is a clinic where people can access these great healers. 00:17:13.920 --> 00:17:18.720 They're all equally great, and we don't have a rating system, they're all amazing. 00:17:18.880 --> 00:17:26.880 Now, this one healer may be more fit for you at this very time of your life rather than for me and for your friend, etc. 00:17:27.119 --> 00:17:32.319 So the idea here is we produce, we're a producer, we're that's why I call ourselves the talent agency. 00:17:32.559 --> 00:17:44.720 We do these videos, we look for uh videographers all around the world and we film the healers the same way you as an actress, you have a book, you know, and you show this to you know to get hired. 00:17:45.039 --> 00:17:54.640 Well, we film them, and then as a user, you'll be able to see a great uh quality, like masterclass sort of quality, you see. 00:17:54.799 --> 00:17:58.799 Um, and this gives you a first idea of okay, I I love this healer. 00:17:58.880 --> 00:18:01.039 I want to, I I feel a connection. 00:18:01.200 --> 00:18:05.519 And then you can have a discovery call if you like, or you can just go for a full-on session. 00:18:05.680 --> 00:18:05.920 Okay. 00:18:06.079 --> 00:18:13.039 You know, that's brilliant because there have been times where I've tried so many different Reiki healers in Los Angeles. 00:18:13.119 --> 00:18:17.759 I have one in New York that I love, but I've tried so many different ones in Los Angeles. 00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:24.240 And there's been a couple times I haven't found one that I want to stick with consistently yet. 00:18:24.480 --> 00:18:29.359 And there was one in particular who I found that had the greatest ratings and everything. 00:18:29.519 --> 00:18:33.119 And then the day after our session, something really bad happened to me. 00:18:33.279 --> 00:18:37.440 So I'm like, I don't think that we were a fit. 00:18:37.599 --> 00:18:39.519 So I love Illuminara. 00:18:39.680 --> 00:18:49.759 I think it's brilliant that there is a place you can go to rather than just Googling where you can see healers' work and decide, hey, that one's curated to me. 00:18:49.920 --> 00:18:51.759 I actually want to talk to this one. 00:18:52.000 --> 00:18:52.160 Yeah. 00:18:52.319 --> 00:18:52.559 Yeah. 00:18:52.799 --> 00:18:53.119 Thank you. 00:18:53.200 --> 00:18:53.440 Yeah. 00:18:53.519 --> 00:18:59.359 I mean, and the beauty is also that, I mean, I remember, I'll never forget actually this. 00:18:59.519 --> 00:19:14.160 When we did the um um the study, the market study, there was this gentleman from LA uh that we interviewed to know about, you know, he was a client, he

was uh enjoying Reiki sessions in LA. 00:19:14.319 --> 00:19:26.880 And I remember what he said, he said, Oh, you know, I love my healer in LA, and I go see my healer, but the moment I go back home in the traffic, I almost feel like everything is vanishing. 00:19:27.200 --> 00:19:28.480 It is so long. 00:19:28.720 --> 00:19:30.079 This is so freaking long. 00:19:30.240 --> 00:19:34.960 And and so that was interesting because he said, Oh my god, that's great. 00:19:35.200 --> 00:19:45.680 Because I love my healer and I want to stick to my healer sometimes, but because your platform will be remote, I'd be happy to have a session at 9 p.m. 00:19:46.000 --> 00:19:52.000 in LA, and that requires to have a healer in Hawaii who's awake, right? 00:19:52.480 --> 00:19:53.839 Well, that's what we provide. 00:19:53.920 --> 00:20:07.119 So we have healers from all around the world, and therefore you can have a healing session, like a brilliant session from the comfort of your home without all the trouble of going physically to the place, yeah, going back. 00:20:07.519 --> 00:20:13.440 And yeah, so that's super helpful for even people like you who love a healer. 00:20:13.680 --> 00:20:16.240 You could still find great healers with Luminara. 00:20:16.480 --> 00:20:16.960 That's brilliant. 00:20:17.519 --> 00:20:27.039 And I love what you said about wanting energy healing to become more mainstream because there are definitely people I know who I'm like, oh, you would really benefit from some of this stuff. 00:20:27.200 --> 00:20:35.039 But it because it's not mainstream, it's you know, woo-woo, they roll their eyes, like they it's not something they would actually do. 00:20:35.279 --> 00:20:36.880 So I I'm so with you. 00:20:37.039 --> 00:20:38.720 I'm like, let's make this mainstream. 00:20:39.200 --> 00:20:39.519 Yeah. 00:20:39.839 --> 00:20:41.119 It deserves to be. 00:20:42.079 --> 00:20:49.680 The truth is, you have a lot of athletes, stars, actresses, actors who have energy healing. 00:20:49.839 --> 00:20:51.440 They know this is an edge. 00:20:51.680 --> 00:21:01.279 This is really good for having a balanced life because we all have an energetic body, and very few of us are aware of it. 00:21:01.680 --> 00:21:07.680 And so, why would only these people have access to energy healing? 00:21:08.000 --> 00:21:14.880 So I really wanted to democratize to make this super easy for everyone to afford as well. 00:21:15.039 --> 00:21:19.200 So we're looking not just at great healers, but also affordable healers. 00:21:19.359 --> 00:21:24.960 So the price point would go between$80 to$200, around$200 max. 00:21:25.359 --> 00:21:28.079 Because also this is a very affordable healer. 00:21:28.319 --> 00:21:29.119 It is affordable. 00:21:29.279 --> 00:21:39.759 And in one session, because these practices are very effective, even with one session, uh, you get a lot of benefit, a lot for your bucks. 00:21:39.920 --> 00:21:47.680 Yeah, for a very decent um price, or as we say, energy exchange, because money is I like that. 00:21:47.839 --> 00:21:52.240 It is money, money is energy, and people don't always remember that, but it is. 00:21:52.640 --> 00:21:59.599 Now, I wanted to talk a little bit about you, this came to you because of the passing of your son. 00:22:00.799 --> 00:22:15.440 What do you think it is that makes trauma awaken people who can be very logic-based, or they're just caught up in, you know, the life that we're all caught up in and the frivolous things that distract all of us? 00:22:15.599 --> 00:22:22.160 What do you think it is about a bottoming out experience that awakens you to this type of world? 00:22:22.559 --> 00:22:30.640 Well, first of all, I, you know, I I listened to many of your of your own story. 00:22:30.960 --> 00:22:31.200 Thank you. 00:22:31.359 --> 00:22:32.480 Uh your podcast. 00:22:32.720 --> 00:22:40.240 And and as you yourself discovered, and look where we are, trauma is a blessing in disguise. 00:22:41.359 --> 00:22:42.640 Uh it is hard. 00:22:42.799 --> 00:22:43.359 It is hard. 00:22:43.519 --> 00:22:49.039 Let's face it, it is hard, and it can destroy you or it can uplift you. 00:22:49.200 --> 00:22:49.440 Yeah. 00:22:49.680 --> 00:22:55.440 But trauma is really a blessing in disguise. 00:22:55.519 --> 00:23:03.039 Like it's a moment where the divine is telling you now, you have a chance to change your life. 00:23:03.440 --> 00:23:14.480 Um and and and you can make it a lot more luminous because you'll get over it, or you'll just get drowned by it. 00:23:14.960 --> 00:23:20.799 And it's really when you think about it, you know, we're not humans having a spiritual experience. 00:23:20.880 --> 00:23:21.519 We're souls. 00:23:21.920 --> 00:23:30.480 Souls, how human experience and when you think this way, because otherwise, if you don't think this way, maybe listeners will think, oh, trauma? 00:23:30.640 --> 00:23:31.519 No, that's shit. 00:23:31.599 --> 00:23:33.119 Like, I don't want a trauma. 00:23:33.279 --> 00:23:35.920 Like, you don't want to have, you know, any of that. 00:23:36.079 --> 00:23:45.039 And I understand, like, and you have so many, especially with kids, you have so horrible, horrible, traumatic experience that you think no one deserves this. 00:23:45.119 --> 00:23:45.359 Yes. 00:23:45.519 --> 00:23:47.119 Of course, no one deserves this. 00:23:47.519 --> 00:24:01.200 But when you get out of this trauma, and I had a dinner recently with someone who had like terrible, terrible like things from his uh childhood with his parents and stuff like that. 00:24:01.359 --> 00:24:05.039 I mean, really, when you listen to this, you feel why? 00:24:05.279 --> 00:24:06.720 How how unfair. 00:24:07.200 --> 00:24:18.240 But he managed to to get over it, and now you feel how how beautiful he is, and how he elevated his soul to a next level. 00:24:18.480 --> 00:24:28.880 So it's really, if you think this way, it's more like the soul is given a way to experience, to grow,

and to to to access to a higher level of consciousness. 00:24:29.440 --> 00:24:29.759 Yeah. 00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:44.319 I think it's that basically echoing that, it's that when you lose everything, you finally are listening to everything, because everything that you thought you had, you don't have anymore. 00:24:44.480 --> 00:24:52.000 So you finally are listening to like what else is out there, and you finally notice things that maybe you didn't notice before. 00:24:52.079 --> 00:24:56.400 And I thought what you said about the silence is be that it was beautiful. 00:24:56.559 --> 00:25:02.720 It's in the silence that we find things a lot of the times because you can only hear energy. 00:25:03.759 --> 00:25:04.079 Yes. 00:25:04.319 --> 00:25:06.480 You can only hear if you're quiet. 00:25:06.720 --> 00:25:22.079 Now, another thing that I wanted to talk to you about was so often the people who you know say this is woo-woo, it's high success, successful on paper in individuals who, you know, are very go, go, go, go, go. 00:25:22.240 --> 00:25:34.640 And they are often the people who are the most empty inside and the most out of touch with what actually matters because they're so caught up in the movement of life and everything that's going around them. 00:25:34.720 --> 00:25:37.279 They have a lot on their shoulders, a lot to manage. 00:25:38.079 --> 00:25:45.039 What would you say to these people who feel like they just are too busy to slow down? 00:25:45.599 --> 00:25:48.160 Well, I don't know if they will listen to me. 00:25:49.279 --> 00:25:57.599 Well, that's that is a very true question, but but if they would, you know, why are you so busy? 00:25:57.759 --> 00:26:01.680 Like, what are you trying to escape from? 00:26:02.319 --> 00:26:03.200 What are you trying to escape? 00:26:03.279 --> 00:26:03.359 Yes. 00:26:03.599 --> 00:26:04.960 What are you trying to escape from? 00:26:05.119 --> 00:26:12.880 Because if you're creating this very, very busy life around yourself, what is exactly the thing you don't want to hear? 00:26:13.359 --> 00:26:19.599 What is exactly the deep reason, the root causes of this noise? 00:26:19.680 --> 00:26:21.200 Because you're creating this noise. 00:26:21.839 --> 00:26:28.079 So I would I would ask them the question like, why do you put yourself into this noise? 00:26:28.319 --> 00:26:31.839 And there is probably a reason deep down. 00:26:32.000 --> 00:26:35.680 Now, whether they want to see that or not, it's a different story. 00:26:35.839 --> 00:26:40.400 Yeah, I you cannot, you know, as you know, Gabriella, you cannot change people. 00:26:40.480 --> 00:26:41.519 People change themselves. 00:26:41.680 --> 00:26:42.160 Exactly. 00:26:42.319 --> 00:26:44.480 That's is the one big learning in life. 00:26:44.559 --> 00:26:50.160 Like you try so much to change your friends, and you can see things happening, but you just can't. 00:26:50.400 --> 00:26:52.640 It's a hard thing to learn because with kids. 00:26:52.720 --> 00:26:53.119 Oh my god. 00:26:53.279 --> 00:26:54.319 Oh my god, with kids, I can't. 00:26:54.480 --> 00:26:56.880 You can see them hitting the wall, but they have to hit the wall. 00:26:57.119 --> 00:26:58.319 They have to figure it out by themselves, yeah. 00:26:59.200 --> 00:27:10.880 So I would say that I would I would probably ask a couple of questions to maybe let them go inwards to think about why am I creating this noise around me? 00:27:11.200 --> 00:27:13.039 Yeah, okay, that's beautiful. 00:27:13.599 --> 00:27:20.400 Don't follow any gurus and don't you know ever listen to someone who's telling you to follow him or follow her. 00:27:20.799 --> 00:27:24.640 The real master is the one telling you to look inwards. 00:27:24.960 --> 00:27:28.640 They first of all, I wanted to say thank you so much for all your complimentary words. 00:27:28.720 --> 00:27:36.559 And I'm I'm happy that both of us, with our experiences of trauma, we sort of decided to elevate our lives rather than stay down. 00:27:36.720 --> 00:27:44.400 Um, even though that it in some ways it would have been easier to stay down, but we both, but it also is a lot. 00:27:44.880 --> 00:27:46.640 This is harder, but it's also a lot easier. 00:27:46.799 --> 00:27:47.599 We had no choice. 00:27:47.759 --> 00:27:48.480 We had no choice. 00:27:49.359 --> 00:27:50.240 We had no choice. 00:27:50.480 --> 00:27:56.559 That's what my um that's what my friend Alyssa and I talked about in the recent episode about what not to say. 00:27:56.799 --> 00:27:57.680 You were not texting. 00:27:57.839 --> 00:28:02.720 Yeah, whenever exactly, like whenever people are saying, oh my god, I couldn't have done that. 00:28:02.799 --> 00:28:04.880 It's like I didn't really have another option. 00:28:04.960 --> 00:28:09.200 So you could have done it as well if you didn't have another option. 00:28:09.599 --> 00:28:23.279 But what I was gonna say is what I wanted to ask you about is sometimes the people who are the most disconnected and the most from energy and from how that's important to their healing and their soulful experience. 00:28:23.440 --> 00:28:32.720 Sometimes the people that are most disconnected are the people that are the most successful and present like they've won the most to the outside world. 00:28:32.960 --> 00:28:34.960 Why do you think that would be? 00:28:35.599 --> 00:28:41.200 Yeah, it comes down to me about our definition of success. 00:28:41.440 --> 00:28:42.000 Yes. 00:28:42.240 --> 00:28:43.279 Yes, yes. 00:28:43.599 --> 00:28:45.440 We have a very on-paper success. 00:28:45.920 --> 00:28:46.319 Yes. 00:28:46.480 --> 00:28:51.519 I mean, it is a question around, you know, what is success? 00:28:51.759 --> 00:29:04.720 Because I think that when we will look back at the at the end of our life, uh, you know, was my life any good? 00:29:04.880 --> 00:29:07.519 We'll look at how many people have we loved? 00:29:08.000 --> 00:29:09.839 You know, have I given enough love?

00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:12.079 I had a time on this planet to give love. 00:29:12.240 --> 00:29:13.200 Did I give enough love? 00:29:13.279 --> 00:29:14.880 Because I had infinite love. 00:29:15.440 --> 00:29:19.200 So the companies you've built, that's good. 00:29:19.680 --> 00:29:22.319 The legacy you will leave, that's good. 00:29:22.960 --> 00:29:33.119 But ultimately, I think success to me is not defined by just how many houses you have, how many you know, millions you've made or billions. 00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:48.079 It's really about how did you manage to, you know, to give the world a, you know, how did you leave the world a a better place, a more peaceful, kinder place? 00:29:49.119 --> 00:29:58.799 I am not very much impressed by any billionaire that wouldn't use money to uh to make something good. 00:29:58.880 --> 00:30:00.960 And as we said, yeah, money is energy. 00:30:01.200 --> 00:30:02.480 It's energy, yeah, it is. 00:30:02.799 --> 00:30:05.119 First of all, how did you get how did you make this money? 00:30:05.599 --> 00:30:10.000 And I and if you're hoarding it, you're hoarding the energy, yeah. 00:30:10.240 --> 00:30:12.480 Like you're not gonna be buried with your money. 00:30:12.640 --> 00:30:13.519 No, let's face it. 00:30:13.759 --> 00:30:15.680 I don't want to be the richest corpse in the graveyard. 00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:19.519 My friend Emily always says that like who cares? 00:30:20.640 --> 00:30:33.519 And and so, yeah, and money can be a very good thing, but can be also destroying you because it's it's about your ego, right? 00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:43.440 The more successful you are, the more you may lose your ego and and make it like you think you deserve all of this. 00:30:43.759 --> 00:30:51.519 Truth is there is if in any one success, you have a chance of luck, like financial, physical like manifesting. 00:30:51.920 --> 00:30:53.039 You have a chance of luck. 00:30:53.200 --> 00:30:57.039 Like if we if we forget about this, uh, we've been lucky. 00:30:57.200 --> 00:31:00.640 Yes, there is work, there is energy, but there is luck as well. 00:31:00.880 --> 00:31:07.680 And so I'm yeah, why are they what what yeah? 00:31:07.839 --> 00:31:08.480 What is successful? 00:31:09.359 --> 00:31:10.319 Sorry, I'm no, you wait. 00:31:10.720 --> 00:31:11.440 I didn't answer your question. 00:31:11.920 --> 00:31:13.519 You did, you did, you did answer. 00:31:13.759 --> 00:31:14.480 You did answer. 00:31:14.559 --> 00:31:15.839 You answered beautifully. 00:31:16.160 --> 00:31:24.400 But I was that's so agree with that that I think the goal of life is to leave the earth a little bit better than you found it. 00:31:24.799 --> 00:31:28.400 That's the goal that you put in more good energy than you take. 00:31:28.640 --> 00:31:28.960 Yes. 00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:35.839 So if you have all this and you're not really benefiting anyone but yourself, you're just take. 00:31:35.920 --> 00:31:37.519 You're not you're not giving. 00:31:37.680 --> 00:31:41.839 And I think your son, he gave so much. 00:31:42.480 --> 00:31:52.319 He was only here for a short time, but he gave so much because he gave the creation of this, which is going to help so many people. 00:31:52.960 --> 00:31:54.079 I so much agree. 00:31:54.240 --> 00:31:55.920 I I'm co-creating with him. 00:31:56.079 --> 00:31:58.240 Yes, yes, is my co-founder. 00:31:58.880 --> 00:32:00.720 Your co-founder, he's my co-founder. 00:32:01.119 --> 00:32:02.400 He in a lot of ways, yes. 00:32:02.559 --> 00:32:08.880 I mean, he is, he is your co-founder, which is like absolutely just so brilliant. 00:32:08.960 --> 00:32:18.880 And I love because it's beautiful to know that you leave a legacy, and he's left a he was only here for such a short time, but he left such a legacy. 00:32:19.359 --> 00:32:23.200 Yes, his soul crushed on my path. 00:32:23.359 --> 00:32:33.039 I was in a for 16 years, I was in a very classic corporate career in consulting, successful by the you know, on paper successful. 00:32:33.920 --> 00:32:36.559 Um but I wasn't aligned. 00:32:36.640 --> 00:32:51.920 Yeah, I think deep inside I I was, you know, I I care a lot about making the world, as we said, a better place and a kinder, more peaceful place. 00:32:52.079 --> 00:33:09.599 And I had this from a very, very early, you know, as long as I remember, I've I've prayed uh the divine to be, I was raised in a Catholic environment, and I was praying God um for using me as an instrument of peace. 00:33:09.680 --> 00:33:16.640 You know, there is Saint Francis d'Assisi, you know, okay, who's saying, you know, please, you know, use me as an instrument of peace. 00:33:16.799 --> 00:33:24.000 And I was very much drowned by these these words, and I was praying, like, please, please, God, use me as an instrument of peace. 00:33:24.160 --> 00:33:36.079 And then I ended up doing this corporate career, and then Raphael just crashed, and that slowly just drifted me away from this classic corporate career. 00:33:36.240 --> 00:33:38.079 And now you're an instrument of peace again. 00:33:38.240 --> 00:33:41.519 I am, yeah, and and I will never change this. 00:33:41.759 --> 00:33:43.279 No, I I'm not going back. 00:33:43.519 --> 00:33:44.640 No, exactly. 00:33:44.799 --> 00:33:46.880 It's like, yeah, I'm not, I'm not going back to you. 00:33:47.359 --> 00:33:49.119 Not going back to Gabriella 1.0. 00:33:49.279 --> 00:33:50.559 No, I'm Gabriela 1.0. 00:33:50.720 --> 00:33:51.359 You have a blessing. 00:33:51.440 --> 00:33:52.640 I'm revisioned that's fun. 00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:54.720 I'm not going back to her. 00:33:54.880 --> 00:34:07.599 Now, something that I think is very interesting to talk about is, you know, I have the same perspective as you, that ultimately traumatic experiences are kind of a gift. 00:34:07.759 --> 00:34:10.400 They ultimately are a blessing. 00:34:10.719 --> 00:34:17.519 Um, and I've been asked the question a lot if you could go back and put stop the accident,

would you? 00:34:17.840 --> 00:34:21.599 And for a while I said no, because I'm in a better place than I am now. 00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:25.280 And then I was like, maybe that's a little bit of toxic positivity talking. 00:34:25.360 --> 00:34:27.440 These past several years have been terrible. 00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:35.039 But then I back to thinking about it, I really like the person that I am today. 00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:38.159 And I really like what I'm bleeding into the world today. 00:34:38.239 --> 00:34:43.840 And I don't know if I would have ever gotten there if this traumatic accident happened to me. 00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:56.719 Um, so you kind of with the same sort of mindset, you know, when you say that trauma is a blessing to people who haven't experienced trauma, they'll be in disguise, in disguise. 00:34:58.320 --> 00:34:58.639 It's not easy. 00:34:58.880 --> 00:34:59.519 It's not easy. 00:34:59.679 --> 00:35:00.480 It's not easy. 00:35:00.639 --> 00:35:13.840 But when you say trauma is a blessing in disguise to people who haven't been through trauma, they might be like, or people who have been through trauma, but they're still living in that bottom out, they might just be like, What are you talking about? 00:35:14.320 --> 00:35:18.239 So, how would you explain that trauma? 00:35:18.400 --> 00:35:27.599 I I know your answer, but how would you explain that trauma did become a blessing and is helping unite the world and elevate consciousness? 00:35:27.920 --> 00:35:31.440 I think it's uh it's Gabor Mate, right? 00:35:31.599 --> 00:35:34.159 Who's explaining quite well what trauma is. 00:35:34.320 --> 00:35:34.960 Yeah. 00:35:35.199 --> 00:35:41.760 And and trauma is, you know, is not you. 00:35:42.159 --> 00:35:46.159 Like you, you, you have a trauma given to you. 00:35:46.320 --> 00:35:49.519 Now it's really what you make of what you make of it, yeah. 00:35:49.760 --> 00:35:50.239 Exactly. 00:35:50.400 --> 00:35:55.280 Like the trauma isn't you, it is something and it's an experience. 00:35:55.440 --> 00:36:06.000 It can be very physical, very emotional, emotional, whatever it is, um, that like is thrown like life is giving this to you. 00:36:06.159 --> 00:36:06.480 Yes. 00:36:06.719 --> 00:36:07.840 And you don't have a choice, right? 00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:09.199 No, we don't have a choice. 00:36:09.440 --> 00:36:12.800 I mean, yeah, you may argue some people like get into the trauma by themselves. 00:36:13.039 --> 00:36:14.880 Yeah, yeah, you know, some people do that. 00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:22.559 Um, but sometimes just like like it's a car, it's a baby that's born with uh an issue, like whatever. 00:36:23.360 --> 00:36:26.960 Now, what do you do with this trauma? 00:36:27.039 --> 00:36:27.599 Yeah, right? 00:36:27.760 --> 00:36:30.400 You have it, you have it. 00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:34.239 So do you want to continue living with it? 00:36:34.719 --> 00:36:36.559 How do you make sense of it? 00:36:36.639 --> 00:36:40.960 Like, so

I think this is what it's all about. 00:36:41.039 --> 00:36:43.039 Like, you have this now. 00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:45.360 First of all, don't think this is you. 00:36:45.519 --> 00:36:50.480 This is a trauma given to you, but this is not you, you are not the trauma. 00:36:50.639 --> 00:36:52.400 Trauma, you're not the trauma, you're not the trauma. 00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:55.519 And when you know that, then you can you can do something. 00:36:55.599 --> 00:36:56.480 Okay, I have this trauma. 00:36:56.559 --> 00:36:57.360 What do I do with it? 00:36:58.559 --> 00:37:00.320 You could ask the why. 00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:01.840 Like, why do I have this trauma? 00:37:01.920 --> 00:37:03.119 What is the message, right? 00:37:03.199 --> 00:37:04.719 What is the message from the divine? 00:37:04.880 --> 00:37:07.519 Yeah, but then explore. 00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:12.480 My my my piece of advice is here is explore why did you get this trauma? 00:37:12.880 --> 00:37:16.880 Okay, you have to be a bit spiritual, thinking, okay, things happen for a reason. 00:37:17.039 --> 00:37:17.599 Yeah, right. 00:37:17.679 --> 00:37:22.719 If you don't think this way, you just think this is horrible, it doesn't make sense, and it doesn't make sense. 00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:24.400 Like, why are you not your neighbor? 00:37:24.559 --> 00:37:25.119 Yeah, right? 00:37:25.360 --> 00:37:25.840 Yeah, yeah. 00:37:26.079 --> 00:37:28.480 Why me not why not all my friends have this? 00:37:29.360 --> 00:37:30.480 Well, that's it. 00:37:30.639 --> 00:37:31.119 It is. 00:37:31.280 --> 00:37:32.480 Life is like this. 00:37:32.719 --> 00:37:35.599 You were born in this family rather than this other family. 00:37:35.840 --> 00:37:36.239 Why? 00:37:36.400 --> 00:37:36.880 You don't know. 00:37:36.960 --> 00:37:39.920 No, you got this trauma for so this is. 00:37:41.039 --> 00:37:46.880 I think again, you look inward, like, what is it what can you make out of it? 00:37:46.960 --> 00:37:52.960 Yes, and I don't have an answer for everyone, but think about what you can make, and you can make something beautiful. 00:37:53.199 --> 00:37:54.559 So it's a material, yes. 00:37:54.719 --> 00:38:02.239 It's like it's a piece of, think about it like a piece of wood or a a stone, and you can carve the stone. 00:38:02.320 --> 00:38:06.079 You know, from a stone, you can make something amazing out of it. 00:38:06.239 --> 00:38:07.519 That's your choice. 00:38:08.079 --> 00:38:09.360 Yes, beautiful. 00:38:09.679 --> 00:38:13.679 Now, so many people suffer from burnout. 00:38:13.760 --> 00:38:19.760 And I know Luminara, one of the things that Luminara is good for is people that suffer from burnout. 00:38:19.920 --> 00:38:20.239 That's right. 00:38:20.400 --> 00:38:21.199 And I have a question. 00:38:21.360 --> 00:38:22.719 This might be a little, I don't know. 00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:23.199 Go for it. 00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:31.840 But having the long corporate career, a lot of people who are involved in corporate careers are people that have burnout. 00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:36.400 So, was that what inspired a little bit the creation of Luminara? 00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:56.079 I never actually thought about that, but um yes, I mean, definitely if I look back, you know, if we look back 10 years ago, was mental health a thing? 00:38:56.559 --> 00:38:56.960 Not really. 00:38:57.360 --> 00:38:58.079 Not really, right? 00:38:58.320 --> 00:39:11.599 Yeah, so but now every company is talking about mental health, and you have you know, telehealth companies, like you know, many of them that now uh have success. 00:39:12.559 --> 00:39:39.039 And now it's not a stigma anymore to say to friends, well, I have a mental problem, like even ADHD, and you know, a lot of people have now come to the fact that they're newer divergent, and yeah, autism is not anymore something that is on the fringe, like actually, even the percentage of people having autism, like some degrees, of course, is is much more uh important thanks to the city. 00:39:39.199 --> 00:39:48.320 Because we finally know more about it, and people are more willing to say like exactly society is more accepting people being neurodivergent, yeah. 00:39:48.559 --> 00:39:54.320 And so burnout, um, yeah. 00:39:54.400 --> 00:40:00.960 I think it's well, I was talking recently, we need to talk about AI. 00:40:01.199 --> 00:40:12.800 Okay, let's talk about AI because AI is gonna create the largest burnout the world has ever seen. 00:40:13.119 --> 00:40:13.679 Really? 00:40:13.920 --> 00:40:14.159 Okay. 00:40:14.880 --> 00:40:17.760 I mean, it's gonna be societal burnout. 00:40:17.920 --> 00:40:25.039 Okay, see, I'm confused about that because I would think AI it kind of it takes stuff off humans' plate. 00:40:25.119 --> 00:40:26.960 Why do you think it's gonna create burnout? 00:40:27.199 --> 00:40:31.599 Well, first of all, AI is okay, there are two things. 00:40:31.679 --> 00:40:33.440 It's gonna create anxiety and burnout. 00:40:33.599 --> 00:40:45.039 Okay, so burnout for the people that will stick, that will not be fired, but it will create anxiety and a sort of burnout in the sense that people will look for jobs, right? 00:40:45.199 --> 00:40:48.000 It's gonna be you've seen this already in the US a lot. 00:40:48.159 --> 00:40:51.840 Like you have companies firing people by the thousands. 00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:52.880 Because AI, yeah. 00:40:53.119 --> 00:40:54.079 Because of AI. 00:40:54.400 --> 00:41:04.320 And so, okay, you you may not call it burnout exactly, but anxiety at a high level, like mental issues at a very, very high level. 00:41:04.559 --> 00:41:19.679 And so what I'm trying to say here is that Luminara wasn't exactly created for that originally, and the story is more linked to my, you know, this whole story with Raphael and these synchronicities. 00:41:20.320 --> 00:41:24.880 But you think to yourself, why me? 00:41:25.039 --> 00:41:27.039 Why at this time on this planet? 00:41:27.280 -->

00:41:30.480 You know, there is a reason, like an underneath reason. 00:41:30.639 --> 00:41:53.440 And I I'm more and more convinced that facing the massive issues, mental issues, and and stress we're gonna see in society, energy healing, and Luminara is a great vehicle for people to find energy healers, energy healing is gonna become mainstream because of AI, or thanks to AI. 00:41:53.920 --> 00:41:55.119 Or thanks to AI, yeah. 00:41:55.440 --> 00:42:03.039 Because when you lose your job, when you you kind of feel you're gonna lose your job, because a lot of people now are afraid, right? 00:42:03.199 --> 00:42:06.400 And they don't dare saying to their friends they're afraid because their friends are also afraid. 00:42:06.719 --> 00:42:09.199 And what are you gonna do at society level? 00:42:09.679 --> 00:42:23.840 Well you you won't go for a top therapy, like you may, but you don't have a child trauma to cure, you don't, you just have this deep anxiety because of society and and your job. 00:42:23.920 --> 00:42:31.119 And so you're gonna need to feel seen, to feel loved, to feel energized. 00:42:31.199 --> 00:42:33.440 And this is what energy healing is providing. 00:42:33.760 --> 00:42:51.280 Yeah, because also a lot of times there are people who they say talk therapy doesn't work for them just because they're probably not good at articulating what it is that's going on with them, or they they can't really put a word to what it is that they're feeling, or just not everyone's a verbal person. 00:42:51.679 --> 00:43:00.239 So I think the whole concept of energy healing is like a nice way to sort of offer that holistic healing for people without being like you have to talk about everything. 00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:02.239 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:43:02.480 --> 00:43:09.679 And I think, as you said, the the fact is that you won't talk so much about okay, I fear AI, this is gonna take my job away. 00:43:09.760 --> 00:43:12.400 This is gonna all right, that's it. 00:43:12.559 --> 00:43:16.880 It's said, like you don't have much more to say, but then it's just like okay, okay. 00:43:16.960 --> 00:43:17.679 So help me. 00:43:17.840 --> 00:43:20.239 Yeah, um, talk about your childhood. 00:43:20.480 --> 00:43:30.960 No, really, I don't it's not, it's just like right now, I feel like angst, I feel like uh I feel anxious, I feel upset, I feel, and then there's no what there's help me, yes, help me. 00:43:31.280 --> 00:43:32.320 Help me, what do you do? 00:43:32.480 --> 00:43:34.400 The future seems grim. 00:43:34.639 --> 00:43:35.840 Yeah, what do I do? 00:43:35.920 --> 00:43:37.119 What do I tell my kids? 00:43:37.280 --> 00:43:46.800 What you know, I'm a I'm a parent of two uh boys, and right now a lot of parents are thinking, what do we tell our kids to do? 00:43:47.039 --> 00:43:55.599 Yeah, and even I've heard even some people who thought about having kids who are deep into AI and think, I'm not sure I want kids. 00:43:55.840 --> 00:43:58.639 You know, my can you believe this is happening? 00:43:58.960 --> 00:43:59.760 My own father. 00:44:00.559 --> 00:44:08.880 Says to me, he's like, if I was your age living in like what you're currently living in, he goes, I don't think I'd have kids. 00:44:09.039 --> 00:44:10.480 My own father said that to me. 00:44:10.639 --> 00:44:12.960 And like, my father loves me, he's a great dad. 00:44:13.199 --> 00:44:23.519 But talking about everything that's going on in the world right now, he's like, I honestly don't know if growing up how in the current way that people grow up, like kids is a good idea. 00:44:23.679 --> 00:44:25.840 It's people are a little scared. 00:44:26.000 --> 00:44:26.320 Yeah. 00:44:26.480 --> 00:44:28.000 Or very scared, I should say. 00:44:28.320 --> 00:44:28.960 Absolutely. 00:44:29.119 --> 00:44:31.199 So, okay, so what do we do? 00:44:31.360 --> 00:44:33.119 Because AI is here to stay, right? 00:44:33.440 --> 00:44:42.719 We're we're gonna, well, we're seeing some hopefully regulations coming up to for for to avoid like chaos. 00:44:42.960 --> 00:44:43.599 Yeah. 00:44:44.159 --> 00:44:52.800 But anyway, this is here to stay, and so we need to have, you know, in face of fear, what's the remedy? 00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:53.760 Yeah, what's the remedy? 00:44:54.079 --> 00:44:54.400 Love. 00:44:54.719 --> 00:44:55.840 Love, it's always love. 00:44:56.400 --> 00:44:58.239 It's always love, has always been. 00:44:58.320 --> 00:45:02.079 And it's by the way, it's the same coin, it's just two sides of the same coin. 00:45:02.800 --> 00:45:10.719 But the more fear there is, and there is a lot of fear that's gonna um increase, you need more love. 00:45:10.960 --> 00:45:14.639 And so who are the love providers right now? 00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:25.280 Well, uh you could find love in religions, but a lot more people are are increasingly spiritual but not religious. 00:45:25.440 --> 00:45:29.280 Yes, the the spirit, the religion of no religion, you know, as as we call it. 00:45:29.679 --> 00:45:32.800 This is growing, this is growing so fast. 00:45:33.840 --> 00:45:38.480 And so, what do you do for this massive amount of people? 00:45:38.639 --> 00:46:05.440 Well, energy healing is, I believe, these healers, these light workers, are a very non-religious way to get your regular, weekly, daily, monthly dose of love, of positive energy that is of course healing a lot at the physical level, mental level, emotional, and energetic level. 00:46:05.679 --> 00:46:08.159 And is that what you needed after Raphael? 00:46:08.480 --> 00:46:11.119 And so you want to give that to other people? 00:46:11.760 --> 00:46:12.719 Definitely, yes. 00:46:12.880 --> 00:46:13.920 Okay, that's beautiful. 00:46:14.079 --> 00:46:16.559 All right, well, last things. 00:46:16.719 --> 00:46:17.199 Yes. 00:46:17.440 --> 00:46:22.960 Let's what's next for Luminara, or what do you recommend that listeners check out about Luminara? 00:46:23.119 --> 00:46:26.639 Yeah, I'll offer a

discount coupon to all the listeners. 00:46:26.960 --> 00:46:28.079 Oh my god, amazing! 00:46:28.239 --> 00:46:30.079 Yeah, I'll offer 20% discount. 00:46:30.159 --> 00:46:30.719 Oh, okay. 00:46:30.960 --> 00:46:32.320 We take a commission of 15%. 00:46:33.119 --> 00:46:33.440 Okay. 00:46:33.760 --> 00:46:36.960 So we won't get, you know, everything will be for the healers. 00:46:37.119 --> 00:46:37.440 Amazing. 00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:40.159 We don't we don't cut the pricing on the healers. 00:46:40.320 --> 00:46:43.280 Uh I mean that we don't cut the what we give to the healers, but I mean. 00:46:43.679 --> 00:46:44.719 Uh, what's next? 00:46:44.880 --> 00:46:47.280 Well, it is exciting. 00:46:47.599 --> 00:46:49.599 Everything is is exciting right now. 00:46:49.760 --> 00:46:56.800 So we're partnering with an organization which is funding science around energy healing. 00:46:57.119 --> 00:47:02.400 Okay, that was actually one of my questions for you about the science and energy healing, how it's related. 00:47:02.960 --> 00:47:20.800 So we are partnering with I would one could argue the largest uh uh organization fundations uh on the planet, they're American, uh, that are funding science around energy healing, and they are producing a docuseries called Phenomena. 00:47:21.440 --> 00:47:24.480 So I'm sure you can put the link on the podcast. 00:47:24.639 --> 00:47:25.119 I definitely will. 00:47:25.440 --> 00:47:26.960 Phenomenahealing.com. 00:47:27.119 --> 00:47:27.440 Okay. 00:47:27.679 --> 00:47:30.239 And by the way, Luminara is luminara.care. 00:47:30.639 --> 00:47:33.440 Uh and so that link will also be in the show notes. 00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:45.679 And so what's exciting is that so these people are funding science with very large American universities, proving that energy healing works. 00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:48.639 It is not just placebo, it is super effective. 00:47:48.800 --> 00:47:53.440 Yes, and there is some groundbreaking experiences, protocols that they've put. 00:47:53.599 --> 00:47:55.920 I'll give you an example, like a little preview. 00:47:56.079 --> 00:48:02.480 It's you know, oftentimes you have uh like a Reiki healer that would do something on a human, right? 00:48:02.639 --> 00:48:07.920 And you think, oh, but you know, this is placebo because we know the relationship, you know, you think you're gonna heal, so you're gonna heal. 00:48:08.239 --> 00:48:09.519 Well, okay, okay, fine, fine, I get it. 00:48:09.599 --> 00:48:11.280 And placebo, by the way, is amazing. 00:48:11.440 --> 00:48:12.000 Yes. 00:48:12.559 --> 00:48:15.199 Now you do this at the cellular level. 00:48:15.360 --> 00:48:23.760 So you put cells in a in a dish, you know, on a in a lab, and you have some cancerous cells inside those dish. 00:48:23.920 --> 00:48:28.639 So cancerous cells would attack the the sane cells. 00:48:28.800 --> 00:48:39.519 Well, you have a healer right here that will uh push away and reduce the uh uh amount of cancerous cells inside every single dish. 00:48:39.760 --> 00:48:43.599 Well, there is no, it's really at the cellular level. 00:48:43.840 --> 00:48:46.800 It is, it is! I'm so happy that we're talking about this. 00:48:46.960 --> 00:48:50.159 So, this is this is no placebo. 00:48:50.320 --> 00:48:53.519 This is what we could show to all the logic people who think it's woo-woo. 00:48:53.760 --> 00:48:54.719 Yeah, yeah. 00:48:55.119 --> 00:49:01.519 I mean, this and this is like this is properly tested, and so this docu series will show that. 00:49:02.000 --> 00:49:14.639 And they were looking obviously at partners, at places to give access for people to enjoy than trying for themselves, like a good energy healing session. 00:49:14.880 --> 00:49:16.559 And that's Luminara, yeah. 00:49:16.639 --> 00:49:22.400 And and to be honest with you, um, I created Luminar with you know a lot of care and joy. 00:49:22.960 --> 00:49:32.239 But when this organization uh contacted us and tried us, and they tried many platforms, we're the only one that they wanted to partner with. 00:49:32.400 --> 00:49:39.119 Oh, that's incredible, that is amazing, and that's because Luminar was born out of love. 00:49:39.199 --> 00:49:43.679 It was born out of yes, I mean, there is such a pure intention, and they could feel it. 00:49:43.760 --> 00:49:47.280 And they, I mean, they they know me by now, and I'm friends with them. 00:49:47.920 --> 00:49:57.519 But it's it's beautiful, and and I you know, I feel a lot of gratitude and joy because the everything you build, and every listener should know this. 00:49:57.760 --> 00:50:00.400 Everything you build, the core is your intention. 00:50:00.559 --> 00:50:08.239 Have integrity, have beauty, integrity, and and enjoy, and you know, do something good for the world. 00:50:08.400 --> 00:50:10.880 Make it a business, make it an NGO, whatever you do. 00:50:11.039 --> 00:50:17.440 But if your intention is good, you're gonna see the the this this gonna work out. 00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:22.159 Pure intentions always play out, and that that can very much be for a business. 00:50:22.320 --> 00:50:36.239 It can very it can very much be for anything, but just if it's grounded in a pure intention, it will it's supported by the universe because it's an act of service, and acts of service are always supported, and Luminara is an act of service. 00:50:36.480 --> 00:50:37.840 Oh my god, amazing! 00:50:38.079 --> 00:50:42.159 So yeah, so the future is yeah, they're releasing the docuseries soon. 00:50:42.239 --> 00:50:52.559 Okay, we're the partner, and so yeah, and so we're we're in this together with these uh organizations to make energy healing mainstream and we will help doing this. 00:50:52.719 --> 00:50:54.559 Energy healing mainstream, that's the goal. 00:50:54.800 --> 00:50:59.440 And I'll put the link in the show notes to luminara.care and phenomena healing. 00:50:59.679 --> 00:51:01.280 Um, is there any place else? 00:51:01.360 --> 00:51:03.440 I know there's Instagram that you guys have. 00:51:03.519 --> 00:51:05.599 Is there any place else you want people to check you out? 00:51:05.840 --> 00:51:10.400 Yeah, we have an Instagram account, illuminara.care, uh, Facebook as well. 00:51:10.559 --> 00:51:12.400 And all will be in the show notes. 00:51:12.480 --> 00:51:12.719 Yeah. 00:51:12.880 --> 00:51:13.119 Yes. 00:51:13.280 --> 00:51:14.000 Okay, amazing. 00:51:14.079 --> 00:51:19.360 And is there anything that you would like to say on behalf of Raphael before you leave? 00:51:19.679 --> 00:51:21.280 Well, thank you, Raphael. 00:51:21.440 --> 00:51:23.039 Um, my co-founder. 00:51:23.360 --> 00:51:24.159 I love you. 00:51:24.400 --> 00:51:28.480 I love also my two other son, uh, Darius and James. 00:51:28.639 --> 00:51:30.400 Uh you guys are important too. 00:51:30.639 --> 00:51:31.840 And my wife, Baldish. 00:51:32.079 --> 00:51:32.800 And and thank you. 00:51:32.960 --> 00:51:34.000 Thank you, Gabriela. 00:51:34.239 --> 00:51:35.119 Thank you for coming. 00:51:35.280 --> 00:51:37.679 I'm so happy that you were only here for a few days. 00:51:37.760 --> 00:51:39.920 You're visiting from Paris and you made time for me. 00:51:40.079 --> 00:51:41.360 So thank you so much. 00:51:41.599 --> 00:51:43.039 I'm so glad we got to meet. 00:51:43.280 --> 00:51:44.239 This is incredible. 00:51:44.400 --> 00:51:45.119 All right, guys. 00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:50.079 Well, again, in the show notes, there will be all the links to Luminara, including the discount. 00:51:50.239 --> 00:51:52.239 Yes, this is yeah, we'll put the discount people. 00:51:52.639 --> 00:51:55.440 Including the discount, which is absolutely incredible. 00:51:55.599 --> 00:51:56.880 Thank you so much for being here. 00:51:56.960 --> 00:51:59.599 This has been Gabriella Rebranded, win most loose.