Full Transcript for Bugs Review: Down Among the Dead Men – Fusion Patrol Ep. 529

00:04:52.200 --> 00:04:59.260 like copying anything on a computer you use it over and over again so I don't know it was just 00:04:59.420 --> 00:05:06.819 kind of odd but I don't I did I have to say I didn't completely follow all that stuff it's 00:05:06.840 --> 00:05:12.960 familiar because it's the kind of thing that um you know it well i don't i don't know if it's as 00:05:13.680 --> 00:05:22.440 directly analogous to say the sting but um certainly uh shows like hustle have more recently 00:05:22.960 --> 00:05:31.719 done almost exactly this kind of thing in the in the actual financial sector and you know again 00:05:31.740 --> 00:05:33.120 And the con they're doing is the wire. 00:05:33.600 --> 00:05:34.520 Yeah, I don't know. 00:05:34.770 --> 00:05:38.620 I have to say, I didn't totally follow that. 00:05:39.150 --> 00:05:45.780 And it didn't bother me too much how it works because I was kind of, yeah, enjoying the episode. 00:05:46.540 --> 00:05:48.600 But I can't answer your question, I'm afraid. 00:05:48.710 --> 00:05:50.020 Okay, I was just checking. 00:05:50.240 --> 00:06:00.900 I feel like this is another one of those examples where they're fishing for things that maybe haven't been done yet. 00:06:01.420 --> 00:06:02.200 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:06:03.020 --> 00:06:09.120 And so they haven't really given any thought to that because they don't really understand the technology. 00:06:11.280 --> 00:06:13.580 So they're going, whoa, what if they just did this? 00:06:13.670 --> 00:06:17.340 And then, okay, and they don't really think about it after the fact. 00:06:17.420 --> 00:06:18.100 Oh, wait a minute. 00:06:18.170 --> 00:06:27.460 We could have just, in fact, he could be doing this over and over again repeatedly if that's all it takes is to redirect a transaction to another organization. 00:06:27.520 --> 00:06:31.660 He could just hit every diamond merchant in the city whenever he wants. 00:06:33.540 --> 00:06:38.660 But it it didn't it somehow it seemed to be time sensitive. 00:06:38.980 --> 00:06:42.320 And that was the part that didn't quite make sense to me. 00:06:42.780 --> 00:06:52.660 If you're going to attribute what was in the writer's mind when he wrote this, then I'll have a go at that. 00:06:53.300 --> 00:07:00.020 It felt to me like there was a potential problem. 00:07:02.360 --> 00:07:06.400 It didn't feel to me like he didn't necessarily understand the technology. 00:07:06.720 --> 00:07:10.500 It felt like if he explained it too well, 00:07:11.100 --> 00:07:14.200 it would become obvious that it wasn't necessary 00:07:14.280 --> 00:07:16.460 to make this intercept in the middle of the ocean, 00:07:17.140 --> 00:07:18.780 which would really blow a hole in the plot 00:07:19.200 --> 00:07:20.919 because the whole thing is fun 00:07:20.940 --> 00:07:22.700 because they've nicked a Russian sub, 00:07:23.000 --> 00:07:26.320 not because it's a bit of bank fraud. 00:07:26.860 --> 00:07:27.000 True. 00:07:27.060 --> 00:07:28.120 That is the, 00:07:28.720 --> 00:07:30.760 I would say that is the closest thing 00:07:31.700 --> 00:07:37.100 that I would get to the Avengers so far in my mind 00:07:37.440 --> 00:07:41.440 is that they've done something so outlandishly overkill 00:07:42.100 --> 00:07:44.420 to achieve something that didn't need to be 00:07:45.820 --> 00:07:47.580 that elaborate, right? 00:07:48.000 --> 00:07:50.220 It's almost like a grand set piece. 00:07:50.580 --> 00:07:56.640 oh the submarine it's like okay well but the cables go right up to the shore and you've got 00:07:56.780 --> 00:08:03.940 divers so i mean if it had to be the undersea cable you could do this from the land too well 00:08:04.200 --> 00:08:10.500 or yeah i mean or yeah or some you know at the phone exchange or all sorts of other places that 00:08:10.560 --> 00:08:15.759 you could do this okay i was gonna say there are places you could do it without actually intercepting 00:08:16.220 --> 00:08:17.500 the signal in the wire. 00:08:18.240 --> 00:08:19.020 But yeah, I mean, 00:08:20.400 --> 00:08:21.980 obviously, the more 00:08:22.080 --> 00:08:23.940 they obfuscate exactly 00:08:24.200 --> 00:08:25.540 what it is that 00:08:26.980 --> 00:08:28.120 facilitates this theft, 00:08:28.540 --> 00:08:30.000 then the harder it is for us 00:08:30.000 --> 00:08:31.960 as the audience to go, oh, hang on, you could have 00:08:31.960 --> 00:08:33.800 done it this way and you haven't really explained 00:08:33.960 --> 00:08:34.960 why you didn't think of that. 00:08:35.690 --> 00:08:38.039 And yet, there is 00:08:38.070 --> 00:08:39.659 a scene that 00:08:40.140 --> 00:08:41.719 when Roz notices that 00:08:42.400 --> 00:08:43.940 the transfer is two 00:08:44.180 --> 00:08:45.740 seconds out or that 00:08:45.760 --> 00:08:47.140 The ACK is two seconds out. 00:08:47.140 --> 00:08:47.980 I'm not sure which it is. 00:08:49.520 --> 00:08:51.700 And she says, well, why are all these this time? 00:08:51.740 --> 00:08:53.100 And that one's two seconds later. 00:08:54.439 --> 00:08:58.160 And the guy says, well, maybe the clock on the computer at the other end is wrong. 00:08:58.660 --> 00:09:08.440 And I'm like, the look she gave him was not suitably adequate to what a network administrator would give you a look if you knew that the clocks were out of sync. 00:09:09.399 --> 00:09:14.920 Because, I mean, you get the clocks out of sync on a Microsoft network and it's done. 00:09:15.200 --> 00:09:15.620 It's over. 00:09:17.060 --> 00:09:21.420 i've been bit by that more than once over the years where somehow a clock gets out of 00:09:22.320 --> 00:09:26.840 whack with the time servers and it does two seconds won't kill you but it doesn't it doesn't 00:09:26.880 --> 00:09:32.660 have to go very far out of whack before suddenly the network stops working in a reasonable fashion 00:09:32.980 --> 00:09:40.140 and and it's not the easiest thing to find so yeah it's so it was kind of i thought you gave

00:09:40.260 --> 00:09:45.680 a fairly withering look so obviously you wanted to turn it up to 11 i think it needed to be up 00:09:45.700 --> 00:09:47.680 11. I'd have turned that one up 00:09:47.680 --> 00:09:49.120 to 11 if someone said that to me. 00:09:49.740 --> 00:09:51.720 Especially if you're looking at a list that appears to be 00:09:51.720 --> 00:09:52.720 in chronological order. 00:09:56.540 --> 00:09:57.620 It's like, wait, how come 00:09:57.650 --> 00:09:59.020 that one's chronologically after? 00:10:00.180 --> 00:10:01.360 It was out of pattern. 00:10:01.700 --> 00:10:03.360 It was out of pattern and she spotted it. 00:10:04.080 --> 00:10:05.340 And there was a fair explanation 00:10:05.680 --> 00:10:07.580 that she had experience looking for that. 00:10:07.700 --> 00:10:09.080 And that is absolutely true. 00:10:09.660 --> 00:10:11.560 IT people with experience, 00:10:11.860 --> 00:10:13.620 you do spot out of pattern things like 00:10:13.760 --> 00:10:15.660 that. That's just part and parcel of 00:10:16.060 --> 00:10:21.220 of the experience on the job so i oh yeah in a way i there were a couple lines in this that 00:10:21.400 --> 00:10:25.880 made me think they'd actually talk to somebody who'd worked in computers i'd like that i like 00:10:25.910 --> 00:10:31.100 that yeah yeah it was also the thing that made me think the three second thing this is that made me 00:10:31.210 --> 00:10:37.900 think that there was some some reason why it had to be a real time intercept and they had to send 00:10:38.000 --> 00:10:45.300 the signal because it was expected within a narrow time window, albeit. 00:10:45.900 --> 00:10:51.340 I mean, I suppose it could be encoded somehow to the time transfer, 00:10:51.700 --> 00:10:56.260 but if it's not encrypted that way, which I suspect these are not encrypted. 00:10:56.840 --> 00:11:01.160 About that, so much as the possibility that the connection is available 00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:03.580 for a number of seconds or whatever. 00:11:05.180 --> 00:11:13.500 it is yeah it is hard to think back 95 computer yeah yeah and the the more they explain it the 00:11:13.680 --> 00:11:19.700 more holes would it would appear i would have thought so yeah i did enjoy it i did enjoy the 00:11:19.860 --> 00:11:23.320 episode don't get me wrong i just that one was the one that kind of stuck out to me it's like 00:11:23.540 --> 00:11:28.740 that one hit me very quickly like i don't understand why this is time sensitive if he's 00:11:28.760 --> 00:11:31.600 just replicating the authentication signals. 00:11:33.140 --> 00:11:34.220 But that's right. 00:11:34.690 --> 00:11:35.680 The other thing that didn't, 00:11:36.540 --> 00:11:39.020 that bothered me after the fact, 00:11:39.520 --> 00:11:40.460 didn't bother me at the time 00:11:40.660 --> 00:11:42.420 because I thought we weren't supposed to understand 00:11:42.710 --> 00:11:43.260 until later. 00:11:43.920 --> 00:11:46.600 I don't get how they got onto the diver 00:11:47.300 --> 00:11:49.040 or that the bank security knew 00:11:49.110 --> 00:11:51.400 that the diver was stealing parts. 00:11:52.100 --> 00:11:52.780 He knew that. 00:11:52.780 --> 00:11:54.220 He said specifically to them, 00:11:54.320 --> 00:11:56.779 the guy was stealing naval parts 00:11:57.340 --> 00:12:02.000 on Brody's behalf because they had the picture of him and they said that he's the one that's 00:12:02.120 --> 00:12:07.700 doing the stealing. And they never explain up front why Bugs was brought in. The guy's just 00:12:07.820 --> 00:12:12.400 sitting there and he's saying, you know, this guy was fiddling around with other people's passwords 00:12:13.300 --> 00:12:17.960 on our network. And then they go, well, and then when he found out we were investigating, 00:12:18.240 --> 00:12:25.799 he disappeared. So how did they find out? I mean, like, what did they know to get them to that 00:12:25.820 --> 00:12:32.480 point to send them after the guy with the parts it just it it really did seem tenuous just to get 00:12:32.920 --> 00:12:38.520 bugs on the case i i didn't necessarily think that was what that was what the reason they were 00:12:38.720 --> 00:12:43.280 brought in it's normal for that it's normal for us to come in and and they're they're already on 00:12:43.280 --> 00:12:49.840 the case and get a you know a throwaway line about them having been brought in or whatever because 00:12:50.000 --> 00:12:54.259 you you know you don't want to slow down the action to establish all of this starting the 00:12:54.280 --> 00:13:04.420 thing that i agree i found hard to follow at that point was in the in the cold open you had this 00:13:04.600 --> 00:13:11.080 stuff that was about that essentially the the organization that was compromised was the british 00:13:11.240 --> 00:13:18.520 navy and so yes that that was that was what i going into the episode what i was expecting 00:13:20.240 --> 00:13:22.240 the investigation to be into. 00:13:22.330 --> 00:13:26.020 It was the Navy going, you know, who killed our guy? 00:13:26.800 --> 00:13:31.260 And suddenly it kind of makes this left field switch 00:13:31.700 --> 00:13:34.400 into bugs are working for this bank. 00:13:35.090 --> 00:13:39.060 And then there is a connection with Brody. 00:13:39.090 --> 00:13:43.100 And I did not understand what it was. 00:13:43.130 --> 00:13:45.600 But the thing that threw me most was the fact 00:13:45.800 --> 00:13:48.580 that I was kind of expecting one thing 00:13:48.900 --> 00:13:55.580 from pre-tipers and then getting something else post-tipers i didn't even get it in a way i didn't 00:13:55.590 --> 00:14:02.580 even get it that it was a bank um in the opening bit where they're in the office because it just 00:14:02.800 --> 00:14:07.280 didn't make any sense sure it would be the navy that would be asking for help exactly on this 00:14:07.540 --> 00:14:13.700 situation and he does mention the name of the firm but you know weyland yutani or whatever it is

it 00:14:13.800 --> 00:14:17.560 was it was just you know it was a name of a corporation i'm like well how does that tie into 00:14:17.580 --> 00:14:22.600 the Navy. It wasn't even clear it was a bank until they had their first meeting at the bank. 00:14:23.080 --> 00:14:29.200 And what is it with Team Bugs that they can only be brought in by people that are absolutely 00:14:29.480 --> 00:14:36.020 opposed by everyone else in the corporation in power? Right? I don't see any reason for bringing... 00:14:36.960 --> 00:14:43.180 How do these companies operate where some guy can just go out and hire somebody at a contractor at 00:14:43.200 --> 00:14:49.620 will and with completely at odds with like everyone who cares the board of directors well 00:14:49.660 --> 00:14:53.340 i don't know i don't think that's a fair characterization of what happened in this 00:14:53.560 --> 00:15:00.640 episode i think that because we don't see him going out and hiring we we we assume that he 00:15:00.780 --> 00:15:06.940 went through whatever necessary process was to do that procurement and he got it authorized but it 00:15:06.960 --> 00:15:14.520 wasn't necessarily a carte blanche to keep them on regardless of the the cost or length of the 00:15:14.600 --> 00:15:23.480 investigation and that that gets shut down by the boss who goes you know as we've seen in you know 00:15:23.680 --> 00:15:29.420 four episodes in we've seen this already it is a trope yes in this it is yeah um you know very 00:15:29.540 --> 00:15:37.840 very much as as the as the kind of in this we've got the the bad guys are a a couple with you know 00:15:37.890 --> 00:15:43.900 a very sort of single man minded almost psychopath and i'm sure we've had that again already is it 00:15:43.980 --> 00:15:49.900 is it is the the uh prejudice against bugs is it because they're the techie people is that what 00:15:49.900 --> 00:15:56.799 that is is this no no no no no i no i no i think it i think it's a i think it's a trope that they're 00:15:56.820 --> 00:16:05.440 using without it being a particularly deliberate thing it is a means to add to the jeopardy because 00:16:06.140 --> 00:16:12.960 the team are they're they're between a rock and a hard place you know on on on the one hand they're 00:16:13.000 --> 00:16:18.080 trying to get the bad guys but on the on the other hand they don't have the support of their client 00:16:18.500 --> 00:16:23.179 and i would say it's not something that they've invented because i think this is quite a common 00:16:23.560 --> 00:16:30.500 thing you get in sort of detective fiction or you know private eye type stories particularly 00:16:30.640 --> 00:16:37.200 particularly private eye stories because you have the notion of the very independent almost 00:16:37.840 --> 00:16:46.020 maverick operator there who is who is hired to do a job who then does the job their own way 00:16:46.680 --> 00:16:53.200 who is then fired by the client who want you know who is not happy with not not

not so much 00:16:53.900 --> 00:16:58.540 what kind of job has been done but with what they've actually found out because obviously 00:16:58.720 --> 00:17:04.760 the maverick private eye is good at their job um so they say blame them for that and so and yeah 00:17:05.160 --> 00:17:10.919 they get they get into a situation where you know they're taking heat from both sides and 00:17:10.939 --> 00:17:16.959 it does add to the drama but i don't think you can do it every week and expect us to just go oh 00:17:16.980 --> 00:17:23.959 yeah that's you know so it it raises two questions i mean one the fact that the bank is dismissive of 00:17:24.079 --> 00:17:34.780 this seems seems excessive to me because well first off there's been a murder committed as 00:17:34.840 --> 00:17:41.640 related to this so it isn't there isn't there there's fire there there's smoke and there's a 00:17:41.720 --> 00:17:48.140 fire there what murder the diver but he was a naval diver he had no connection to the bank i 00:17:48.220 --> 00:17:52.380 thought well obviously he had a connection to the bank because the bank guy brought him in and said 00:17:52.560 --> 00:17:59.659 investigate the diver because of this brody guy and now but why would it be but it it just 00:17:59.680 --> 00:18:05.080 It shows that this is not nothing, that there is something big going on. 00:18:05.420 --> 00:18:08.900 So their caution is kind of like, and then where are the police? 00:18:09.840 --> 00:18:10.920 Where are the police? 00:18:11.070 --> 00:18:11.980 They already made it. 00:18:12.740 --> 00:18:14.240 The bank already made the connection. 00:18:14.900 --> 00:18:16.320 But the bank already made that connection. 00:18:16.370 --> 00:18:18.580 They brought it to Bugs in the first place. 00:18:19.120 --> 00:18:26.180 They literally came in and said, well, they weren't because they have a witness who literally saw Brody murder the guy. 00:18:26.240 --> 00:18:35.580 The point about it is it's only it's only an irrational thing from the bank's point of view if there is actually a solid connection that they are certain of. 00:18:35.700 --> 00:18:39.480 So what I'm wondering is how are they certain of it at that stage? 00:18:40.080 --> 00:18:42.660 OK, and the second question is, where are the police? 00:18:43.580 --> 00:18:47.680 And murder was committed in front of Ed's very own eyes. 00:18:49.340 --> 00:18:50.900 He's a witness of it. 00:18:51.180 --> 00:18:52.480 He watched her do it. 00:18:52.480 --> 00:18:55.620 He saw the look in her eyes when she pulled the trigger. 00:18:55.980 --> 00:19:00.960 why aren't they arrested why didn't they go straight to the cops and say this guy and this 00:19:01.100 --> 00:19:09.700 woman are murderers arrest them because plot yes drama that is the point do you that i see i have 00:19:09.780 --> 00:19:17.060 a note about that that scene which is similar in the sense is where are the police but to me 00:19:17.740 --> 00:19:24.039 the question is not so much why why don't why don't the police go and arrest the brodies on ed 00:19:24.060 --> 00:19:32.040 say so it's why don't the police arrest ed because there he is in a water tank with a body 00:19:32.680 --> 00:19:38.500 and he's all wet and the body's all wet there's that all sorts of questions arise about that 00:19:38.670 --> 00:19:45.960 that should at least be questioned to do with what the relationship is between our trio and the 00:19:46.080 --> 00:19:52.480 police because we don't see how any of that operates so does ed or someone on the team 00:19:53.200 --> 00:19:59.160 report the murder to the police which you would imagine they would do and then what kind of 00:19:59.420 --> 00:20:04.200 standing do they have with the police that they are able because i mean even if you report it 00:20:04.560 --> 00:20:08.060 the police aren't you know well you know you reported it it can't be you 00:20:09.419 --> 00:20:14.440 well but i think i think the police have a good i think the police would have a good case 00:20:14.760 --> 00:20:20.220 you know ed goes forward he calls in a murdered body he says this is what happened uh they go 00:20:20.420 --> 00:20:27.620 huh yeah but he has got at least three people to back him up one guy from the bank and two and 00:20:28.140 --> 00:20:35.220 rosin beckett to say yes we were investigating this guy because this bank brought us that 00:20:35.670 --> 00:20:40.620 information to look for these stolen goods and while he was doing that and yes he was committing 00:20:40.640 --> 00:20:47.360 a crime so he could get in trouble for that he witnessed a murder like my my point is we don't 00:20:47.500 --> 00:20:54.360 see any of that we don't right we don't we have we have we have no idea whether the police need 00:20:55.060 --> 00:21:01.120 that kind of testimonial in order to believe that because that that kind of testimonial takes time 00:21:01.620 --> 00:21:06.500 this is this is my point so what they would actually be more likely to be to arrest ed 00:21:07.000 --> 00:21:13.260 so you know arrest first ask questions later they would then as you say have reason to 00:21:13.870 --> 00:21:19.120 give ed the benefit of the doubt after having questioned him and after having questioned those 00:21:19.260 --> 00:21:24.880 people who as you say might well back up his story but time wasn't a problem though in the 00:21:25.090 --> 00:21:30.560 pacing in the pacing of this we just we kind of rattle straight through to the next stage 00:21:30.940 --> 00:21:38.660 and the body just disappears so it it it's not necessarily that i want i mean it's the opposite 00:21:38.880 --> 00:21:42.720 really i don't i don't want the thing to get bogged down into a police procedural 00:21:43.740 --> 00:21:50.980 but i i could have done with the throwaway line to explain it and in general thanks for getting 00:21:51.010 --> 00:21:59.680 me out of jail guys what now right i mean i don't think better than that but in general the the

00:21:59.700 --> 00:22:08.140 whole question of what their standing is would be good to know because when they come in contact 00:22:08.560 --> 00:22:15.800 with the official authorities you know yeah how is that how is that going to play out in each case 00:22:15.960 --> 00:22:22.100 because clearly i mean beckett is an ex-operative working for the government that must have you know 00:22:22.160 --> 00:22:28.660 any any police computer or whatever that would be flagged up i assume and have we even seen any 00:22:28.680 --> 00:22:34.860 police at all in this series i don't think so i think it i think it's possibly following brian 00:22:35.080 --> 00:22:41.580 clemens rule on that from the avengers no police yeah no police is half of it yeah what was the 00:22:41.590 --> 00:22:46.920 other half well i the the bit i mean it may there may have been more in his bible but the bit i 00:22:47.060 --> 00:22:51.960 always remember from what he said about the avengers no police and no black people and oh 00:22:51.980 --> 00:23:00.800 dear oh dear indeed the the the idea being that in in his mind of how avengers land worked you 00:23:01.000 --> 00:23:06.600 can't have anything that connects you to reality because it pops the bubble of the of the fantasy 00:23:06.850 --> 00:23:15.160 world and so in his mind police and officialdom were too realistic but also the world of yeah 00:23:15.260 --> 00:23:16.860 black people and 00:23:17.540 --> 00:23:17.620 yeah 00:23:19.600 --> 00:23:20.840 it's kind of 00:23:22.220 --> 00:23:23.260 it's pretty 00:23:23.460 --> 00:23:25.280 indefensible. The interesting 00:23:25.350 --> 00:23:27.100 thing is there were black people in the Avengers 00:23:27.380 --> 00:23:29.200 before we 00:23:29.370 --> 00:23:31.240 really got into it. I was going to say I kind of 00:23:31.420 --> 00:23:32.920 remember that. Yeah. Well 00:23:33.320 --> 00:23:35.080 there are very few people that try to get into 00:23:35.240 --> 00:23:36.820 the MAP era. 00:23:37.150 --> 00:23:39.160 There are not police. 00:23:40.140 --> 00:23:41.040 No police at all. 00:23:41.900 --> 00:23:43.200 Well again not 00:23:43.360 --> 00:23:44.520 in the 00:23:45.080 --> 00:23:46.420 in the kind of Emma Peel era. 00:23:46.730 --> 00:23:48.680 I mean, there are 00:23:48.680 --> 00:23:49.880 except there's a 00:23:50.740 --> 00:23:52.380 black guy in Small Game 00:23:52.380 --> 00:23:54.140 for Big Hunters and 00:23:54.640 --> 00:23:56.440 there is a 00:23:57.060 --> 00:23:58.380 apparently a policeman in 00:23:58.540 --> 00:24:00.100 Murdersville, though actually 00:24:00.640 --> 00:24:01.220 not a policeman. 00:24:03.120 --> 00:24:03.900 But yeah. 00:24:04.480 --> 00:24:06.480 So yeah, I wonder 00:24:06.660 --> 00:24:08.560 if the philosophy underpinning 00:24:08.720 --> 00:24:10.600 this is the same kind of thing 00:24:10.760 --> 00:24:12.200 which is that we are 00:24:12.580 --> 00:24:20.800 we're creating a fantasy around these three guys and if you bring in the real authorities 00:24:21.430 --> 00:24:27.740 then you undermine the notion of them being a kind of kick-ass trio of crime fighters who don't need 00:24:28.190 --> 00:24:35.780 any backup whatsoever yeah so basically ed just left the body in the tank 00:24:37.700 --> 00:24:40.220 I genuinely don't know 00:24:40.640 --> 00:24:42.300 what I think 00:24:42.330 --> 00:24:44.080 from my memory is that we do get 00:24:44.980 --> 00:24:46.180 a better 00:24:46.580 --> 00:24:48.100 idea as we go on 00:24:48.520 --> 00:24:50.080 about what Bugs 00:24:50.360 --> 00:24:52.220 standing is or what the trio 00:24:52.480 --> 00:24:53.340 standing is 00:24:54.360 --> 00:24:56.040 in relation to 00:24:56.650 --> 00:24:57.420 other authorities 00:24:58.090 --> 00:25:00.000 but whether the writing 00:25:00.380 --> 00:25:01.820 team at this stage 00:25:02.580 --> 00:25:04.100 had an idea about what 00:25:04.100 --> 00:25:05.880 that would be later in the series 00:25:06.540 --> 00:25:07.680 and were writing to that 00:25:07.880 --> 00:25:09.900 or whether they just made it up as they go along 00:25:10.180 --> 00:25:11.480 I couldn't yet say 00:25:11.720 --> 00:25:13.820 I'm not going to research this because I'm not 00:25:14.020 --> 00:25:14.620 looking for spoilers 00:25:15.900 --> 00:25:17.820 right no no fair enough fair enough 00:25:18.080 --> 00:25:18.880 it just 00:25:19.620 --> 00:25:20.160 it did 00:25:21.980 --> 00:25:23.880 at some point bug 00:25:23.940 --> 00:25:25.740 me during this episode no pun 00:25:26.060 --> 00:25:26.240 intended 00:25:27.660 --> 00:25:28.360 because I'm like yeah 00:25:29.660 --> 00:25:30.860 this got to be 00:25:31.660 --> 00:25:33.880 even like I say it may be a lame line 00:25:33.920 --> 00:25:40.120 but a throwaway line because there's no urgency after there's no urgency after ed finds the dead 00:25:40.260 --> 00:25:45.060 body right once the villains are gone and he's safe there is no urgency because the next move 00:25:45.060 --> 00:25:51.060 is beckett and ed's to contact brody and say we've got the parts because they had the parts brody was 00:25:51.160 --> 00:25:56.960 stuck in the water it could have been a week probably wasn't but you know it it could have 00:25:57.020 --> 00:26:02.040 been a few days it could have been long enough for them to arrest ed have ed taken in have people 00:26:02.060 --> 00:26:07.380 vouch for him what he's doing uh and then you know i don't think well all right you guys seem 00:26:07.440 --> 00:26:11.080 to know what you're doing so go ahead and keep on working on this case we'll we'll not worry about 00:26:11.130 --> 00:26:19.620 the murder or whatever it happens to be but it just yeah yeah something something and yeah and 00:26:20.020 --> 00:26:27.180 inspector teal could have shown up or something but well i i don't don't want to add costs you 00:26:27.200 --> 00:26:35.080 know in terms of having to pay additional speaking parts but uh yeah it was um it was maybe 00:26:35.740 -->

00:26:41.860 it would have been 10 10 seconds at the end of that scene for one of them to sort of say oh right 00:26:42.000 --> 00:26:47.880 well i i'd better get on to the police or yep that too you know we'd better get out of here 00:26:47.960 --> 00:26:52.420 before someone finds the body one way or the other you'd have got an idea of what actually 00:26:52.440 --> 00:26:58.460 was going to happen. Fair enough. Either way. But I mean, they're not, obviously they're not above 00:26:59.380 --> 00:27:06.500 breaking the law because they do, uh, in, in the course of this episode, breaking and entering, 00:27:06.720 --> 00:27:13.760 for example. And, uh, I guess probably surveillance is not illegal, uh, even tapping and 00:27:14.220 --> 00:27:18.480 tracking and things like that. Cause they haven't figured out those need to be outlawed, but yeah, 00:27:19.720 --> 00:27:24.280 And in previous episodes, they've done clear breaking and entering crimes. 00:27:24.700 --> 00:27:29.640 So they do exist in their own little world. 00:27:31.839 --> 00:27:39.940 Which is the benefit of them being outside the official law enforcement. 00:27:40.700 --> 00:27:43.080 I'm going to go back to that police thing for just a second. 00:27:43.600 --> 00:27:47.820 In the Avengers, Steed is a form of police. 00:27:48.480 --> 00:27:49.800 He is a form of authority. 00:27:50.640 --> 00:27:53.560 He is part of a government organization. 00:27:54.500 --> 00:27:56.880 And so if a guy gets murdered, 00:27:57.600 --> 00:27:59.800 I envision Steed can call somebody 00:28:01.020 --> 00:28:02.480 and have that taken care of. 00:28:03.620 --> 00:28:05.040 Yes, yes, exactly. 00:28:05.540 --> 00:28:07.220 And these guys can't. 00:28:07.640 --> 00:28:07.800 Yeah. 00:28:08.000 --> 00:28:09.180 Well, that's what I wondered. 00:28:09.880 --> 00:28:12.660 Because we have had an indication 00:28:13.000 --> 00:28:15.160 that Roz is quite well connected in some ways. 00:28:15.660 --> 00:28:19.180 And we also know that Beckett is an ex-spook. 00:28:19.420 --> 00:28:23.760 So although he may not be able to do it in an official way, 00:28:24.170 --> 00:28:25.540 he might know who to call. 00:28:27.100 --> 00:28:28.820 Not necessarily to get the problem to go away, 00:28:29.000 --> 00:28:34.300 but at least to get someone friendly to come and deal with the issue. 00:28:34.660 --> 00:28:38.780 So I still think that it is a possibility that they do things 00:28:38.980 --> 00:28:40.420 in the way that Steve does things. 00:28:40.700 --> 00:28:43.900 But in the same way that in The Avengers, 00:28:44.480 --> 00:28:49.500 we know Steed's standing and therefore that he has this ability. 00:28:49.680 --> 00:28:55.780 It feels like it would be good to know that here or the opposite. 00:28:56.300 --> 00:29:00.480 It's just, it struck me as very odd because there'd been a murder, 00:29:00.580 --> 00:29:03.060 there was a body, and then it just disappeared. 00:29:03.820 --> 00:29:07.600 And I think that, you know, we might be seeing Clemens' hand here 00:29:08.260 --> 00:29:13.440 on the other thing that still bugs me again. 00:29:15.120 --> 00:29:20.680 pun still intended or not intended as the case may be so that we don't even know what these 00:29:22.060 --> 00:29:28.940 guys call their business and we really don't know what who steed works for exactly i mean we do but 00:29:28.940 --> 00:29:35.580 we don't oh yeah we do right well he works for mi5 and a half as as patrick mcneigh used to say 00:29:36.540 --> 00:29:41.740 they never really name the organization no they don't they don't name the organization 00:29:42.060 --> 00:29:50.080 and he works for the powers that be well he works for the powers that be he works for you you can 00:29:50.180 --> 00:29:57.140 describe the organization the joke that mcme had was because the organization he works for does 00:29:57.460 --> 00:30:06.100 both security and intelligence and so there is no direct corresponding real life organization 00:30:07.220 --> 00:30:10.800 nevertheless there's enough information within the show 00:30:11.360 --> 00:30:15.180 at least as the run unfolds 00:30:15.680 --> 00:30:20.280 for you to establish what kind of an organisation it is 00:30:20.400 --> 00:30:22.880 you don't necessarily know all of that at the beginning 00:30:23.530 --> 00:30:28.300 but you still know enough in the context of the story 00:30:28.330 --> 00:30:30.780 I mean in Hot Snow the essential thing is 00:30:31.280 --> 00:30:39.820 that Steve is a representative of the official law enforcement. 00:30:41.860 --> 00:30:45.400 It's hard even to think of what he's doing as security at that point 00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:48.320 because he's basically just chasing drug dealers. 00:30:48.700 --> 00:30:52.960 But that's the function he fulfills in that plot. 00:30:53.300 --> 00:30:56.720 Keel is an amateur. He's just a regular doctor. 00:30:57.500 --> 00:31:01.080 Steve is a professional undercover man. 00:31:01.780 --> 00:31:04.960 And well, yeah, he's not undercover. 00:31:05.880 --> 00:31:06.280 Yeah, OK. 00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:09.060 Maybe the Avengers are actually pretty inconsistent. 00:31:11.220 --> 00:31:13.600 So these guys are actually the talented amateurs. 00:31:14.280 --> 00:31:15.980 They just don't have a Steve to work with. 00:31:16.960 --> 00:31:18.700 Yeah, I mean, Beckett is ex-professional. 00:31:19.650 --> 00:31:24.020 So I still think Beckett is the closest thing they've got to Steve, 00:31:24.400 --> 00:31:28.140 except he has no wit whatsoever. 00:31:30.540 --> 00:31:32.780 He has no charm, wit, grace. 00:31:33.070 --> 00:31:33.220 Yeah. 00:31:33.740 --> 00:31:34.920 And he lacks Steve style. 00:31:35.840 --> 00:31:37.340 And style is the word I was looking for. 00:31:37.900 --> 00:31:43.500 But yeah, because he is the one who was the professional, 00:31:43.890 --> 00:31:45.260 that is the connection. 00:31:45.710 --> 00:31:48.240 And yeah, the others are talented amateurs. 00:31:48.310 -->

00:31:53.840 But I don't know that the analogy works quite that closely 00:31:53.860 --> 00:31:59.360 because I still think that the setup in Bugs is much more akin to the setup in the New Avengers. 00:32:00.080 --> 00:32:04.500 And of course, by the time you got to late Avengers and the New Avengers, 00:32:05.060 --> 00:32:07.600 the whole talented amateur thing had been dropped. 00:32:08.040 --> 00:32:09.640 That's true. That's true. 00:32:10.680 --> 00:32:13.380 Actually, I kind of thought Purdy was the amateur. 00:32:14.380 --> 00:32:14.460 No. 00:32:14.580 --> 00:32:17.140 And that Gambit and Steed were the actual operatives. 00:32:17.360 --> 00:32:19.240 But yeah, you're right. You're right. They're not. 00:32:20.120 --> 00:32:22.100 It's been a very long time since I've watched the New Avengers. 00:32:22.220 --> 00:32:23.300 It was a very, very long time. 00:32:23.700 --> 00:32:23.840 Anyway. 00:32:25.320 --> 00:32:25.740 Let's see. 00:32:25.920 --> 00:32:27.880 Let's turn our attention back to the show that is, 00:32:28.190 --> 00:32:31.880 not the show that it wishes it could be. 00:32:32.300 --> 00:32:35.580 I was like, let's see. 00:32:35.760 --> 00:32:38.640 I loved the explanation that they had to explain GPS. 00:32:39.520 --> 00:32:39.800 Yeah. 00:32:40.330 --> 00:32:40.480 Yeah. 00:32:41.260 --> 00:32:42.400 Ah, look at that gizmo. 00:32:42.680 --> 00:32:44.200 Ed didn't understand it. 00:32:44.560 --> 00:32:47.580 And again, it was one of those 1995 moments thinking, 00:32:48.340 --> 00:32:48.620 really? 00:32:49.160 --> 00:32:53.460 Does the audience need an explanation of GPS? 00:32:53.680 --> 00:33:05.520 There is a sort of, I kind of feel like in a way this show is sort of like somebody thought I could make a show after watching episodes of Tomorrow's World kind of thing. 00:33:05.760 --> 00:33:06.900 There is that sort of. 00:33:08.180 --> 00:33:09.460 There's a public service aspect. 00:33:10.240 --> 00:33:16.160 There's a sort of gee whiz look at what could be feel to it. 00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:23.600 And, you know, maybe it's a little bit more grounded in what's actually happening right now. 00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:33.380 But I can remember seeing a Tomorrow's World where they were showing a very, very early prototype of a car GPS. 00:33:33.660 --> 00:33:45.660 And, I mean, it was a laptop computer bolted to the – a big laptop computer bolted to the dashboard and, you know, wires going everywhere. 00:33:45.740 --> 00:33:50.940 and just incredibly primitive but you know they were given it the full treaty in the future 00:33:51.330 --> 00:33:57.140 we may be able to have car-based units that could show you where you are and maybe even tell you 00:33:57.440 --> 00:34:05.120 about businesses in the area and she's like okay this that's the feel i got when he was explaining 00:34:05.130 --> 00:34:14.259 to ed yeah yeah i mean i've no doubt that that is what the show does i mean that that that is 00:34:14.280 --> 00:34:16.440 is essentially the premise for the show. 00:34:17.139 --> 00:34:20.320 It just surprised me a bit that GPS wasn't commonly, 00:34:21.060 --> 00:34:24.040 because it is so ubiquitous now. 00:34:24.050 --> 00:34:25.580 But actually, when you think about it, 00:34:26.520 --> 00:34:30.020 the whole Atmos storyline in Doctor Who 00:34:30.610 --> 00:34:33.560 was 13 years later than this. 00:34:34.139 --> 00:34:40.020 And the kind of point about that was how newly having a, 00:34:40.820 --> 00:34:43.300 it wasn't obviously at that point GPS was novel, 00:34:43.600 --> 00:34:45.120 that it had become ubiquitous. 00:34:46.240 --> 00:34:51.200 So clearly, if it wasn't ubiquitous until 2008, in 1995, 00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:55.919 the vast majority of the viewing audience wouldn't have known about it. 00:34:56.460 --> 00:35:00.620 The fact that there is, at this point in the story, 00:35:00.820 --> 00:35:03.740 this very, very careful explanation to Ed, 00:35:04.380 --> 00:35:07.720 who you would expect to be, as a member of a team involved 00:35:07.940 --> 00:35:11.140 in these kind of technologies, a little bit more clued up 00:35:11.140 --> 00:35:12.240 than the average audience. 00:35:13.760 --> 00:35:19.080 The fact there was this very careful explanation made me think, aha, this is Chekhov's GPS. 00:35:19.900 --> 00:35:26.020 And it is going to play some key role in the story before, you know, the final payoff. 00:35:27.200 --> 00:35:32.420 But remembering, Ed didn't get the mouse thing last time, so he's not clued up. 00:35:32.800 --> 00:35:34.400 Fair point. He doesn't know which end of the mouse. 00:35:34.700 --> 00:35:37.740 Yep. Yep. No, I think, yeah, that is fair. That is fair enough. 00:35:38.700 --> 00:35:50.860 Also, I wouldn't really expect it, but in a way I almost sort of expected it when he tried opening his phone after being submerged in water and it didn't work. 00:35:52.460 --> 00:35:59.740 You know, this is the point where if they had wanted to break the fourth wall, it could have squirted a little water out the speaker at him like a fish spitting at him. 00:35:59.900 --> 00:36:00.840 But they didn't do that. 00:36:01.040 --> 00:36:05.000 But I kind of, I did kind of feel like it might be coming there for just a second. 00:36:06.380 --> 00:36:07.300 It's just like, really? 00:36:07.400 --> 00:36:09.260 You actually bothered to try to open that phone 00:36:09.380 --> 00:36:10.840 to see if it was going to work after? 00:36:13.780 --> 00:36:15.980 Of course, if he had, what was the, 00:36:16.400 --> 00:36:20.140 was it the iPhone 7 that was the first water-resistant? 00:36:20.820 --> 00:36:21.660 Yeah, it might have. 00:36:21.720 --> 00:36:22.720 Not the first water-resistant phone. 00:36:22.840 --> 00:36:24.360 It's the first water-resistant Apple phone. 00:36:24.400 --> 00:36:26.520 I should be less of an Apple phone. 00:36:26.520 --> 00:36:27.020 That should be true. 00:36:27.220 --> 00:36:30.000 There were mil-spec phones that were,

you know, 00:36:30.100 --> 00:36:33.000 great big huge things with all sorts of dust. 00:36:33.740 --> 00:36:42.960 But I must say, one of the quite nice things about this episode is that there are the moments in this story where the tech fails to work for good reason. 00:36:43.300 --> 00:36:54.920 Like Ed unexpectedly gets dunked in a water tank or they place a radio tracker on someone who then gets into a submarine and goes underwater. 00:36:55.880 --> 00:36:57.460 Yeah, that's true. 00:36:57.540 --> 00:37:04.800 it's not it's not horrible but it's it's still you know it's kind of quaint 00:37:05.110 --> 00:37:08.700 I quaint is the word that kind of comes to my mind when we're looking at this stuff 00:37:13.480 --> 00:37:18.280 but you know and to carry my tomorrow's world analogy a little bit I could also 00:37:18.910 --> 00:37:23.140 you know in a sort of twisted reality I could see that same presenter standing there 00:37:23.540 --> 00:37:30.460 in the future with computers it might be possible for criminals to make false bank transfer you know 00:37:30.940 --> 00:37:34.920 instead of telling us how great it's going to be i could see the same presentation of 00:37:35.220 --> 00:37:39.360 here's what could go wrong it's like and that's kind of what this show does 00:37:40.690 --> 00:37:47.059 it's like and of course the bank the the bank they're like no not our computers that's not 00:37:47.080 --> 00:37:52.720 gonna happen it's like wow wow have i heard that before it's from management oh yeah 00:37:54.640 --> 00:37:59.940 although i'm you know although you also heard it from from what's his name in last week's episode 00:38:00.620 --> 00:38:07.600 that's true you know the guy who's perfect remote control airplane system couldn't possibly be 00:38:07.750 --> 00:38:14.500 hacked possibly be hacked no no not possible so yeah so i think there's a there's possibly 00:38:14.520 --> 00:38:23.720 another trope emerging there technology cannot go wrong oh yeah it can well we yeah i mean we see 00:38:23.720 --> 00:38:31.340 the technology going wrong but we get characters who are absolutely convinced the technology cannot 00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:37.540 fail yeah another one for the category of what the heck do these people have in terms of official 00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:44.480 connections ed gets the dutch navy out there i think it's the danish navy the danish was it 00:38:44.500 --> 00:38:45.400 Was it Danish? Sorry. 00:38:45.870 --> 00:38:47.060 It was one of those D countries. 00:38:47.960 --> 00:38:50.920 I thought they said the Dutch coast, but was it... 00:38:51.280 --> 00:38:52.380 I may be wrong. 00:38:52.500 --> 00:38:54.080 It might be the Danish coast. You're right. 00:38:54.170 --> 00:38:57.060 I thought they'd gone to Denmark, but I'm not sure. 00:38:57.250 --> 00:39:06.980 But yes, either way, I have notes there about the fact that he suddenly got the Danish or Dutch Navy working for him. 00:39:07.690 --> 00:39:08.220 D-land. 00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:13.540 Surely it has to be Danish, because it's only taken like half an hour to the nipple. 00:39:14.100 --> 00:39:16.740 Okay, your geography of Europe is better than mine. 00:39:16.880 --> 00:39:17.520 I'll give you that. 00:39:18.720 --> 00:39:19.520 They did show maps. 00:39:19.560 --> 00:39:20.860 I couldn't have told you where it was. 00:39:21.700 --> 00:39:21.780 Yeah. 00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:23.140 It looked like France to me. 00:39:24.660 --> 00:39:29.780 The questions that I had earlier about how well-connected the team were 00:39:30.300 --> 00:39:36.820 were then massively, massively compounded by how the hell is Ed, 00:39:37.020 --> 00:39:39.960 who I would have thought is the least well-connected of the three of them, 00:39:41.520 --> 00:39:46.760 Has suddenly got this warship at his complete disposal. 00:39:47.280 --> 00:39:48.540 Yeah, yeah. 00:39:48.790 --> 00:39:50.800 You know, I just... 00:39:50.800 --> 00:39:51.980 Earlier in the episode, they say, 00:39:53.220 --> 00:39:55.220 Ross says the issue, because they've been fired, 00:39:55.420 --> 00:39:56.180 they've got no backup. 00:39:56.900 --> 00:40:00.060 Well, yeah, I mean, no backup from the bank, 00:40:00.260 --> 00:40:02.200 but if they've got a navy at their beck and call, 00:40:02.460 --> 00:40:04.020 they're not too badly off. 00:40:04.980 --> 00:40:07.680 You know, Ed's not completely without connections 00:40:07.700 --> 00:40:12.800 because he did get the job from the Hive to fly their helicopter. 00:40:13.480 --> 00:40:17.900 So he must at least have some security link somehow, 00:40:17.950 --> 00:40:19.580 or he just wouldn't be on the vendor list. 00:40:20.060 --> 00:40:22.160 And the question might be who taught him to fly, 00:40:22.760 --> 00:40:25.580 because if he's had military training... 00:40:25.680 --> 00:40:26.460 Oh, there's a trope. 00:40:26.690 --> 00:40:26.840 Yeah. 00:40:26.890 --> 00:40:29.120 He might well have connections through that. 00:40:29.580 --> 00:40:31.960 Yeah, he's the best pilot we ever had. 00:40:32.210 --> 00:40:34.380 And then he just wanted to run a charter business. 00:40:34.440 --> 00:40:38.260 So, yeah, no, I can see that one. 00:40:38.920 --> 00:40:39.920 That's a pretty common one. 00:40:40.640 --> 00:40:41.900 So, let's see. 00:40:42.340 --> 00:40:42.740 What else? 00:40:44.100 --> 00:40:44.660 What have you got? 00:40:44.960 --> 00:40:48.920 I have a note about this week's fashion victim. 00:40:49.600 --> 00:40:52.540 What did you think of Roger's knitted tank top? 00:40:52.980 --> 00:40:53.900 I didn't see it. 00:40:54.280 --> 00:40:54.560 Really? 00:40:55.160 --> 00:40:55.420 No. 00:40:56.060 --> 00:40:59.620 Well, I thought that was interesting. 00:40:59.940 --> 00:41:02.680 I don't know if you've seen Purdy wearing that. 00:41:02.820 --> 00:41:09.580 though she did have some slightly suspect outfits um i i honestly am pretty bad about noticing 00:41:09.950 --> 00:41:14.360 humans wearing clothes i

mean i'll notice them if they're not wearing clothes but they would 00:41:14.580 --> 00:41:18.620 they yeah they were wearing clothes yeah all of them were wearing clothes i think throughout 00:41:19.120 --> 00:41:25.440 the whole episode so um but yeah and i think people can tell from my fashion sense that i 00:41:25.520 --> 00:41:34.120 do not have a fashion sense or any uh inclination yeah no i i totally i have a pretty i have a pretty 00:41:34.220 --> 00:41:41.100 limited fashion sense the fact that this registered with me is a sign that it was um i think that i 00:41:41.180 --> 00:41:46.620 could have said in this episode if if you pressed me afterwards like what were people wearing i 00:41:46.620 --> 00:41:54.320 would say at one point beckett wore a suit and at another point i think ed wore a brown leather 00:41:54.400 --> 00:41:59.620 jacket but that's true it could be my impression that he always wears a brown leather jacket 00:42:00.160 --> 00:42:04.540 the fact of the fact that beckett wore a suit was after they effectively drew lots to just 00:42:04.560 --> 00:42:08.140 to decide who was going to wear a suit so it was in the dialogue that's how i noticed 00:42:09.060 --> 00:42:14.640 i was gonna say i was gonna say i didn't i wasn't taking credit for which is saying those are the 00:42:14.670 --> 00:42:21.100 two things i could have pulled out of this one i i did i did think i did think beckett getting 00:42:21.120 --> 00:42:28.680 shot in the bug was extremely blackadder dual and duality oh yeah that was not if he'd been 00:42:28.760 --> 00:42:34.200 wearing a bulletproof vest i'd have been much more believable of that but getting shot in that 00:42:34.640 --> 00:42:41.120 and surviving i don't know about i don't know about believable i think the the point is if 00:42:41.180 --> 00:42:47.500 he'd been wearing a bulletproof vest it would have been a sign of him surviving as a result 00:42:47.520 --> 00:42:53.820 of taking a precaution whereas getting shot in the bug was a sign of him surviving as a shortage 00:42:54.100 --> 00:43:00.020 as a result of just being insanely lucky well he's insanely lucky i agree i i could 00:43:01.300 --> 00:43:07.040 all right i could try to put myself it's difficult really difficult i could try to put myself in the 00:43:07.240 --> 00:43:12.880 minds of someone in britain where you're not supposed to have guns so you can't expect that 00:43:12.900 --> 00:43:16.420 every crazed nut job has a gun in his pocket. 00:43:17.480 --> 00:43:21.640 So I could kind of understand why you might not go to an insure, 00:43:21.940 --> 00:43:28.380 a faux insurance interview, uh, wearing a, a flak jacket, but, uh, 00:43:29.280 --> 00:43:30.380 but you know, in this world, 00:43:30.600 --> 00:43:32.440 apparently guns aren't that hard to get hold of. 00:43:33.539 --> 00:43:38.960 And so maybe hitting that was just terrible. Yeah. 00:43:39.220 --> 00:43:44.700 It's not so much why does he have a gun, given that he's in Britain. 00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:47.280 Because, I mean, we do have guns here. 00:43:47.580 --> 00:43:52.260 We just don't have the vast, vast numbers of guns that you have. 00:43:53.320 --> 00:43:57.780 The question that seemed more relevant at that particular moment was, 00:43:57.900 --> 00:43:59.260 why on earth does he shoot him? 00:43:59.780 --> 00:44:03.520 I mean, I can see he got a bit cross, but really? 00:44:04.060 --> 00:44:05.320 How bad are his anger issues? 00:44:06.380 --> 00:44:07.180 Homicidal maniac. 00:44:07.840 --> 00:44:08.060 Yeah. 00:44:08.120 --> 00:44:08.900 Homicidal maniac. 00:44:08.940 --> 00:44:15.840 it didn't it didn't seem in any way to serve his i mean he got up and and he shouted a lot and he 00:44:16.000 --> 00:44:23.860 stormed off and i could perfectly understand why he'd done that but he did just commit murder and 00:44:23.920 --> 00:44:29.140 would we expect i mean thinking presuming he committed murder no no before he before before 00:44:29.320 --> 00:44:35.799 he tried to commit murder he he became angry and left as as you would do you know when you when 00:44:35.820 --> 00:44:41.240 you think you were there to to arrange a deposit and then it turns out that you're being strung 00:44:41.400 --> 00:44:47.400 along anyone would be annoyed by that and why would you stay i mean that would what what would 00:44:47.400 --> 00:44:52.960 you gain from staying so i can understand why would storm off but my question is why would you 00:44:53.010 --> 00:44:59.540 shoot the guy what do you gain from that nothing i mean nothing you gain nothing you get you get 00:44:59.560 --> 00:45:06.140 the police who don't exist in this world on your tail just as you're about to do some sort of a 00:45:06.280 --> 00:45:14.560 caper which seems like the wrong time to do that and so it doesn't really it doesn't really fit 00:45:14.680 --> 00:45:19.920 very well and the other thing that doesn't really fit very well is it seems that no one bothered to 00:45:20.120 --> 00:45:27.160 read his file until Roz when he starts to get upset suddenly she goes the file says he's got 00:45:27.180 --> 00:45:36.320 anger issues yeah he does or something like that history of violence yeah extreme and then suddenly 00:45:36.320 --> 00:45:41.260 he pulls a gun and shoots him you're like i did not expect that good think beckett's wearing a 00:45:41.880 --> 00:45:48.200 bulletproof vest underneath that suit no he's not it's just absolute dumb luck wow okay 00:45:51.099 --> 00:45:57.140 and if they reversed that so they knew he had anger issues and put put back it in the vest then 00:45:58.460 --> 00:46:00.680 It still would have had the same impact on the audience. 00:46:01.579 --> 00:46:02.300 Yeah, exactly. 00:46:03.120 --> 00:46:04.220 Because I thought he had a vest on. 00:46:05.290 --> 00:46:08.820 I mean, you know, that was just instantly my first thought was, 00:46:09.050 --> 00:46:11.020 well, he's got a vest on because we know he's not dead.

00:46:12.960 --> 00:46:15.140 Because he's, you know, he's not dead. 00:46:15.240 --> 00:46:17.380 He's the star-ish of the show. 00:46:18.640 --> 00:46:19.000 Well, yeah. 00:46:19.680 --> 00:46:21.120 Yeah, he's not dead. 00:46:21.150 --> 00:46:22.940 Just like I knew Ed really wasn't dead. 00:46:23.740 --> 00:46:25.480 I should have put that in the recap. 00:46:25.720 --> 00:46:26.920 I should have put that in the recap. 00:46:26.940 --> 00:46:28.840 I said, and he kills Beckett dead. 00:46:29.400 --> 00:46:30.560 Nope, nope, Beckett's still alive. 00:46:30.920 --> 00:46:32.460 I didn't do that. I should have. 00:46:33.040 --> 00:46:34.100 Well, you can always re-record it. 00:46:38.320 --> 00:46:39.360 I'm going to re-record it, 00:46:39.380 --> 00:46:41.680 and I'm going to make it sound completely different 00:46:42.260 --> 00:46:46.240 and inserted into the audio just for that purpose. 00:46:46.620 --> 00:46:47.800 Okay, we're going to do it. 00:46:48.120 --> 00:46:48.380 Excellent. 00:46:48.540 --> 00:46:51.560 Listeners will now at this point in the podcast, 00:46:52.240 --> 00:46:53.440 well, at this point in the podcast, 00:46:53.740 --> 00:46:55.240 they'll realize what I had done. 00:46:58.300 --> 00:47:09.600 all right um there is also tangentially related to that scene um some notes on the dialogue i have 00:47:10.180 --> 00:47:16.380 um so one thing is before he before he shoots beckett the guy says misunderstand this 00:47:17.200 --> 00:47:19.580 beckett says something like there's been a misunderstanding he says 00:47:19.640 --> 00:47:22.160 misunderstand this and shoots him in the chest. 00:47:22.980 --> 00:47:23.080 Yep. 00:47:23.880 --> 00:47:25.420 Bit cheesy, but okay. 00:47:25.940 --> 00:47:27.900 And then literally a couple of scenes later, 00:47:28.500 --> 00:47:29.660 what's your best offer? 00:47:30.160 --> 00:47:33.280 This, she says, and shoots the guy. 00:47:35.360 --> 00:47:35.560 Yeah. 00:47:36.140 --> 00:47:38.960 Someone's been watching too many low-budget action films. 00:47:41.680 --> 00:47:43.280 It was pretty cheesy. 00:47:43.670 --> 00:47:45.180 There were some cheesy lines in this. 00:47:45.240 --> 00:47:48.200 This is Stephen Gallagher, by the way, 00:47:48.360 --> 00:47:50.600 who wrote episode two. 00:47:51.180 --> 00:47:56.680 What I did like was all of the gunboat, gunship dialogue. 00:47:57.440 --> 00:47:59.740 I thought that was pretty witty. 00:48:00.280 --> 00:48:01.820 So I had a good time with that. 00:48:02.140 --> 00:48:06.180 And he kept capping his previous joke. 00:48:06.860 --> 00:48:09.860 So that was satisfying. 00:48:10.620 --> 00:48:13.080 It's kind of funny because when he first said 00:48:13.160 --> 00:48:15.800 the Navy has no boats, they have ships, 00:48:15.920 --> 00:48:17.020 I thought, wrong. 00:48:17.720 --> 00:48:18.640 submarines or boats. 00:48:19.220 --> 00:48:21.920 That was my first thought. 00:48:22.180 --> 00:48:24.760 So it was kind of cyclical. 00:48:24.820 --> 00:48:28.860 And as soon as that sub showed up, 00:48:29.600 --> 00:48:31.760 I thought, oh, crap. 00:48:32.540 --> 00:48:35.920 Ed's going to get caught not being ex-Navy 00:48:36.200 --> 00:48:40.000 because he's going to call that a ship in front of Brody. 00:48:40.500 --> 00:48:41.820 And Brody's going to know. 00:48:42.320 --> 00:48:43.380 So you're one step ahead. 00:48:43.820 --> 00:48:45.720 And it didn't really happen. 00:48:46.300 --> 00:48:47.020 It didn't happen. 00:48:47.100 --> 00:48:53.980 but it didn't cut out yeah it wasn't it wasn't wasted there was yeah it was 00:48:55.320 --> 00:48:59.960 ed's lack of knowledge on because because that wouldn't have occurred to me i'm not i'm not as 00:49:00.280 --> 00:49:06.360 um if you if you'd said yeah they call they call subs boats yeah you know you boats 00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:12.200 and all the rest of it i'd go yeah yeah okay that rings a bell i'm familiar with that but it's not 00:49:12.220 --> 00:49:19.240 like i saw a submarine and thought or or i heard the line the navy has no no boats and thought 00:49:19.720 --> 00:49:27.540 hang on a minute they do yeah yeah no i well my dad was in the navy so i navy people correct you 00:49:29.000 --> 00:49:34.600 navy people will correct you oddly enough about that thing that's like it's like except for you 00:49:34.720 --> 00:49:39.800 boats well you don't call them you boats but you know submarines are called boats and you got gun 00:49:39.820 --> 00:49:44.540 moats it's like no those are ships it's like well what's a gunship that's a helicopter it was good 00:49:44.720 --> 00:49:49.980 i mean it was definitely it was good i i full points it's obviously something that either 00:49:50.580 --> 00:49:55.540 nagged this guy or somebody had nagged him about it he thought i can i can make this i can play 00:49:55.540 --> 00:50:00.860 with this through the episode and he did he did well on him what else you got well i've just got 00:50:00.920 --> 00:50:07.760 one final thing which is to do with this question that we we have discussed a bit before which is 00:50:07.780 --> 00:50:14.040 how sci-fi this show is because it struck me that this was the other put it put it the other way 00:50:14.160 --> 00:50:19.700 around i think the other three episodes had a reasonably strong claim to being sci-fi this was 00:50:19.700 --> 00:50:25.020 the least sci-fi episode in my opinion i don't know what you thought but it didn't seem particularly 00:50:25.320 --> 00:50:34.320 sci-fi to me uh i think i think that's a fair assessment again i i think we are we are looking at 00:50:35.119 --> 00:50:42.960 trying to place a 1995 show in what are they speculating about the future of technology as 00:50:43.180 --> 00:50:50.040 opposed to what is actual. And so things like the GPS in this episode were clearly real things 00:50:51.280 --> 00:50:53.880 because you can't make that one up because the satellites are up there. 00:50:54.360 --> 00:50:54.560 Yeah. 00:50:55.180

--> 00:51:04.300 Right. I mean, that obviously the system is truly in place or you couldn't make the argument. It's 00:51:05.320 --> 00:51:10.280 thing submarines are a thing the only thing that might not have been a thing and i just i don't 00:51:10.360 --> 00:51:18.460 know is whether or not any kind of like tapping into cables crime or fraudulent wire transactions 00:51:18.840 --> 00:51:25.320 like this was real or that was speculative the future of technology but yeah you're right i mean 00:51:25.420 --> 00:51:31.000 question of whether it was whether it was real i mean if if it's theoretically possible no one's 00:51:31.020 --> 00:51:37.200 done it it's not yes that's what i mean fiction but if it's if it's not possible then i guess yeah 00:51:37.740 --> 00:51:45.920 well it's not i think science science fiction can be things that become possible but not possible 00:51:46.100 --> 00:51:56.440 yeah it's kind of hard to say um yeah i uh i i thought that they had a very good line of 00:51:56.460 --> 00:52:02.260 psychopathic people work in this episode obviously brody brody's wife and the diver 00:52:04.599 --> 00:52:07.340 mckinnon mctynon tynan something like that 00:52:09.900 --> 00:52:17.300 uh he didn't live long enough to care to go back and find out mctynon okay that's close um 00:52:18.130 --> 00:52:25.240 you know are all pretty quick to pull the trigger in this episode and i will say that as a resolution 00:52:25.260 --> 00:52:32.180 of having Ross say, you know, he's just going to leave you with the diamonds as a pretty good read 00:52:32.200 --> 00:52:38.440 on the character. And the wife, uh, I think was, was spot on in killing him at that point. 00:52:39.060 --> 00:52:43.380 Yeah. I mean, I mean, if based on the kills she'd done in the past, I'm not saying she should kill 00:52:43.380 --> 00:52:47.940 her husband. It's just saying that in the context of what she had done previously is like, yep, 00:52:48.180 --> 00:52:52.640 you actually do kind of need to kill him because he is going to leave you in the lurch. He's just 00:52:52.660 --> 00:52:56.980 left a submarine crew and they probably knew about that the whole time he you know they've 00:52:57.040 --> 00:53:03.000 killed captain they're yeah you're nothing to him he's got the diamonds you you're gone your value 00:53:03.280 --> 00:53:08.120 is over well i don't know i don't know that it's quite there's nothing but it's but it's it is i 00:53:08.200 --> 00:53:16.740 mean like you say it's kind of there is a somewhat psychopathic behavior traits in evidence and he 00:53:16.760 --> 00:53:23.820 says you would do the same thing it's like look way up way up the logic here if you were in my 00:53:24.040 --> 00:53:32.400 position and you you know there was nothing or didn't ross say that to her no no no no he he says 00:53:32.740 --> 00:53:37.860 he says you would do the same thing yeah yeah you would do you would do the same thing and what what 00:53:37.920 --> 00:53:44.820 was kind of nice about that was that i immediately thought as soon as she shot him yeah and he would 00:53:44.840 --> 00:53:51.520 do the same thing to her if their positions were reversed so when he was saying that why wasn't he 00:53:51.800 --> 00:53:58.360 surprised that he then got shot yeah yeah he he uh it's like he had to know i mean he should have 00:53:58.360 --> 00:54:03.260 been diving behind that car just as fast as he could instead of standing there going i'll get 00:54:03.260 --> 00:54:08.620 your lawyers and stuff no she's still pointing a gun at you dude yes if she if she if she if she 00:54:08.640 --> 00:54:15.200 was as logical as he was suggesting she should be um yeah and and indeed you know that is what she 00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:23.300 did um the two other things that that crossed my mind is you know after ross got her car crushed 00:54:23.940 --> 00:54:30.600 and she replaced it yeah in episode one and she replaced it is a bright yellow car the right 00:54:30.820 --> 00:54:35.740 answer for surveillance work well you know number six had a yellow car 00:54:38.520 --> 00:54:46.120 but i don't think he was yeah well yellowish black and sand and uh i i did truly enjoy 00:54:46.660 --> 00:54:54.380 the bluff when they showed that terrible terrible picture and brody says pictures can be faked 00:54:55.040 --> 00:55:02.140 which that in itself was you know pretty far far imaginative and his response is you think we 00:55:02.160 --> 00:55:11.620 fake this, we would do a better job. I think that all the time. For the government agency I used to 00:55:11.620 --> 00:55:19.520 work for, I will tell this story. It's completely true. I won't give any names. One of our divisions 00:55:19.640 --> 00:55:27.480 licensed people. And part of that licensure was proof that you had education and proof that you 00:55:27.500 --> 00:55:34.300 had been cleared by the law enforcement authorities. And the law enforcement authority 00:55:34.320 --> 00:55:39.340 thing was a little harder to fake, but the education thing, you could supply the transcripts. 00:55:39.920 --> 00:55:48.660 And I have seen the things people would submit where they had obviously cut, typed their name 00:55:48.660 --> 00:55:54.440 on a piece of paper and cut it out and then stuck it over it and photocopied it. And you can see the, 00:55:54.940 --> 00:56:00.880 You can see the outlines. You can see that it's a completely different font than the rest of the document. 00:56:01.820 --> 00:56:07.480 I mean, people are not that pricey when it comes to fraud like that. 00:56:08.700 --> 00:56:09.680 Many, many examples. 00:56:10.200 --> 00:56:15.660 Or they would change the total score at the bottom in the same way where it was obviously a fake. 00:56:16.140 --> 00:56:17.880 Or they'd white it out and then they'd photocopy it. 00:56:18.700 --> 00:56:20.840 And yet it wouldn't add up to what was above it. 00:56:21.540 --> 00:56:24.040 I mean, it's shocking. 00:56:24.740 --> 00:56:28.420 It's

shocking how far people will go to try to fake something. 00:56:28.640 --> 00:56:32.520 So handing over a picture that wasn't that bad of a fake, really? 00:56:33.340 --> 00:56:39.760 It's like, I could even see somebody with one of those fake applications going, 00:56:39.950 --> 00:56:42.900 you think if I was trying to fake it, I wouldn't do a better job than that? 00:56:43.620 --> 00:56:44.640 I can see that. 00:56:44.890 --> 00:56:45.980 I can see him trying it. 00:56:46.640 --> 00:56:48.820 Not getting away with it, but I can see it. 00:56:49.040 --> 00:56:52.660 Anyway, who knows how many did get away with it? 00:56:52.860 --> 00:56:53.780 That's the other question. 00:56:55.620 --> 00:56:58.200 But anyway, but that's all I've got. 00:56:58.780 --> 00:57:04.480 Well, I've had a chance to have a look and see if over the years, 00:57:05.100 --> 00:57:09.140 the lyrics down amongst the dead men have ever come up, 00:57:09.620 --> 00:57:11.000 but I haven't been able to find it. 00:57:12.020 --> 00:57:14.760 It definitely seems to be down among the dead men. 00:57:16.000 --> 00:57:18.720 I don't have any reference to that. 00:57:19.480 --> 00:57:20.780 is there a specific 00:57:21.460 --> 00:57:22.580 is that a thing? 00:57:22.960 --> 00:57:23.340 the phrase? 00:57:24.180 --> 00:57:26.020 I've never heard it, it's a song 00:57:26.160 --> 00:57:27.740 it's a drinking song, yes 00:57:28.640 --> 00:57:30.780 oh, okay, must be a British drinking song 00:57:31.860 --> 00:57:32.640 yes, yes 00:57:33.240 --> 00:57:33.760 yes it is 00:57:34.860 --> 00:57:36.760 yeah, I mean it's been around for nearly 00:57:36.940 --> 00:57:37.900 three centuries I think 00:57:39.100 --> 00:57:40.640 okay, it could be because it's a drink 00:57:40.780 --> 00:57:41.320 I don't know which 00:57:41.740 --> 00:57:43.340 almost as long as the United States 00:57:44.120 --> 00:57:45.520 300 years is even longer 00:57:45.600 --> 00:57:46.020 but yeah 00:57:47.000 --> 00:57:49.100 It just feels like 300 jerseys. 00:57:51.560 --> 00:57:52.900 Okay, well, I don't know. 00:57:53.420 --> 00:57:53.860 That's fine. 00:57:53.990 --> 00:57:59.920 I just, when I saw that name, it just, it feels like it should be sort of old-timey-wimey. 00:58:01.020 --> 00:58:05.140 And I kind of get amongst as sort of, I don't even know. 00:58:05.200 --> 00:58:07.900 Is there a difference between among and amongst grammatically? 00:58:08.620 --> 00:58:09.020 Poss. 00:58:09.580 --> 00:58:15.660 Okay, I wasn't sure, but it kind of has that e-old shoppy feel to the word amongst. 00:58:16.920 --> 00:58:18.560 like that sort of faux 00:58:20.300 --> 00:58:22.680 kind of getting the sort of Davy Jones locker 00:58:22.960 --> 00:58:23.700 kind of feel to this 00:58:25.260 --> 00:58:26.440 I can't think of ways 00:58:26.570 --> 00:58:28.120 you can use one and you can't use the other 00:58:28.700 --> 00:58:30.700 you don't ever hear anybody use amongst 00:58:31.540 --> 00:58:32.180 well I mean I do 00:58:32.230 --> 00:58:34.300 but that's an affectation 00:58:38.000 --> 00:58:38.340 anyway 00:58:39.360 --> 00:58:40.580 alright anything else 00:58:41.040 --> 00:58:42.160 no that's everything 00:58:42.620 --> 00:58:43.240 that's all I've got 00:58:43.480 --> 00:58:50.080 All right. In that case, we'll be back next time looking at another episode of Bugs. 00:58:51.260 --> 00:58:51.980 Shotgun Wedding. 00:58:52.520 --> 00:58:53.620 Oh, yeah. Shotgun Wedding. 00:58:54.540 --> 00:59:00.000 It's funny. I don't write them down, but I see them on the Plex server because, you know, next up and then I forget it. 00:59:00.000 --> 00:59:03.680 And as soon as you say it, it's like, oh, yeah, that's it. 00:59:04.060 --> 00:59:05.700 You're right. That is exactly right. 00:59:06.380 --> 00:59:08.820 All right. 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