Full Transcript for Funny Book Forensics 452 A Marvelous KISS

was. Of course there was many luchadors. Many, many luchadors. 59 00:04:52.000 --> 00:05:05.000 Our villain has an army of little people that are. That he has souped up. He's given them basically the quantum bands from Marvel Comics and gave him super strength. And so you get to watch a bunch of little people kick Blue Demon in his friend's ass and punch him in the nuts. 60 00:05:05.000 --> 00:05:07.000 Yeah. You know that you almost. 61 00:05:07.000 --> 00:05:08.000 And. 62 00:05:07.000 --> 00:05:20.000 And those made Rey Mysterio be a mini, which is silly because you have a height threshold in Lucha libre and if you're under a certain height, you're a mini. 63 00:05:20.000 --> 00:05:28.000 Absolutely. Like Demus, for example, is considered a mini. But then I don't think he even has dwarfism. I think he's just a short dude. 64 00:05:28.000 --> 00:05:37.000 And they. Well, I think Greg and I have talked about El Santo movies before. Yes. 65 00:05:37.000 --> 00:05:38.000 Yeah. 66 00:05:38.000 --> 00:05:39.000 As. 67 00:05:39.000 --> 00:05:40.000 Absolutely. 68 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:55.000 As. As Everyone should. I mean, El Santo and Santa Claus is like, you know, some, some great stuff. There's. I think, I think we were watching. Weren't we watching, like, El Santo meets the. The Mummy or something like that? 69 00:05:55.000 --> 00:05:57.000 I think so, yeah. 70 00:05:57.000 --> 00:06:00.000 I don't know it. Or El Santo meets vampires. 71 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:01.000 Or there's. 72 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:11.000 There's the Santo versus the vampire women. I think that was it at the end. He's running around with a torch and he's just like opening coffins and burning bodies. Running. 73 00:06:11.000 --> 00:06:15.000 Years ago, one of my former students was translating it for me as we were going. 74 00:06:15.000 --> 00:06:16.000 Oh, that's awesome. 75 00:06:16.000 --> 00:06:25.000 It was, it was fascinating. Well, we didn't come here to talk about El Santo, though, even though El Santo was here. 76 00:06:25.000 --> 00:06:26.000 Oh, yes. 77 00:06:26.000 --> 00:06:33.000 I, I'm sad today because I'm sorry to hear that I'm wearing my Dolly Parton. 78 00:06:33.000 --> 00:06:44.000 We're all sad today. Honestly, this is some, Some bad timing to record a. Record a show because the passing of Dolly Parton happening just hours ago at the time of this recording. 79 00:06:44.000 --> 00:06:51.000 Yeah, it's, it's, it, it's. Dolly Parton is kind of awesome and 80 00:06:51.000 --> 00:06:54.000 like the template for how to be a good person. 81 00:06:54.000 --> 00:07:03.000 And, you know, I. Obviously, Eli Tomlin and Jane Fonda were a big part of it, but 9 to 5 still holds up. 82 00:07:03.000 --> 00:07:04.000 Yeah. Classic. 83 00:07:03.000 --> 00:07:33.000 And absolutely that. You know, it's interesting because Network came out around the same time. Correct. And those two movies were very predictive. Like 9 to 5 was reflexive of corporate culture, but also predictive of what corporate culture would be and still is. And Network, of course, predicted the entire television media, news media landscape that we have right now. 84 00:07:33.000 --> 00:07:39.000 That's one of those that just keeps getting more prescient like, like robocop or Idiocracy. 85 00:07:39.000 --> 00:07:54.000 Yeah. And yes, it's amazing too how they both films were just dead on, including, like the parody in nine to five of the incompetent leadership that just doesn't know what they're doing. 86 00:07:54.000 --> 00:07:55.000 What. 87 00:07:55.000 --> 00:08:22.000 And you know how that's become more. You know, it's just, it's, you know, it's. Well, that. I mean, Jeff Bezos just announced he's selling a bunch of shares of Amazon, which means he doesn't think Amazon is. I can't speak for Jeff Bezos. I don't. He never said this out loud, but I guess that means he thinks the company is no longer, quote, unquote, day one. Right. He must think it's gone to a new place. 88 00:08:22.000 --> 00:08:31.000 And I mean, historically, it's only ever a good sign when the guy who Runs a company, starts selling off his stock. Like that means good times are coming. 89 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:34.000 One, he doesn't run the company anymore. 90 00:08:34.000 --> 00:08:35.000 Oh, right. 91 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:36.000 What? 92 00:08:36.000 --> 00:08:56.000 Yeah, but. And that's, that's probably part of it, but yeah, it's, it's fascinating. You start to watch the. And then of course Dolly, just some of the greatest interviews of all time. Of course she had the Larry King interview where he's like, well, gay people like your music. And she's like, yeah, I love people. 93 00:08:56.000 --> 00:08:58.000 Yeah. What's that got to do with me? 94 00:08:58.000 --> 00:09:16.000 You know, people should love people, right? It's I love gay. While she said I love gay people, I love everyone. Like that's. And, and where else can you get like a 20 pound apple pie and a cast iron skillet, you know, than going to Dollywood? 95 00:09:16.000 --> 00:09:19.000 We've got one of those cast iron skillets and I swear by it. 96 00:09:19.000 --> 00:09:23.000 I think it took the whole thing home. Right? Yeah, that's absolutely. 97 00:09:23.000 --> 00:09:24.000 Took the pie and the skillet and 98 00:09:24.000 --> 00:10:26.000 that's, you know, it's when you start to think about, you know, her contributions are endless. And I love the fact too that she could always laugh at herself. I probably didn't age well, but the Saturday Night Live sketch where she told them to shoot her from the top. Like she told them, they, they didn't plan this. She said no, the joke is. And you know, they shot her from the top. Right. And angled the whole thing down on her the entire time and she's like that's the joke. Like I live with that. Like that's. And just her, I believe, great nephew. But talking today, the announcement from the family. She said she asked to be buried in all cotton because she's

been. Wants to be comfortable because she's been carrying those rhinestones a lot around too long. I even, even to the end, you know, just a sense of humor, happiness, joy. I. How do you think of anything but joy when you think of Dolly Parton? 99 00:10:26.000 --> 00:10:30.000 You can't. Like it's impossible to dislike Dolly Parton. 100 00:10:30.000 --> 00:10:31.000 You can't. 101 00:10:31.000 --> 00:10:36.000 And holds up through time too. Didn't get old and change. 102 00:10:36.000 --> 00:10:42.000 Yeah. It turns out that's possible that you can just stay true to your values and true to yourself and the whole way. 103 00:10:42.000 --> 00:10:43.000 Yeah. Unlike. 104 00:10:43.000 --> 00:10:46.000 Because it was real and she didn't follow anything. She just. 105 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:53.000 Not that I'm thinking about anybody we're going to talk to about today, but yeah, 106 00:10:53.000 --> 00:10:55.000 We're just gonna, we're gonna keep that theme of just the real. 107 00:10:55.000 --> 00:11:04.000 The realist. Yes. Never always being true to oneself and, and, and holding that Line. 108 00:11:04.000 --> 00:11:48.000 Well, I think Dolly Parton would tell you there wasn't anything real on her at. You know, there was another interview where they asked her how long it took. Somebody asked her how long it took to do her hair, and she said, I have no idea. I'm never there. One of the great lines in the history of interviews, too. Yeah. So we're sad we lost an icon and a legend today and. But interestingly enough, we're going to be covering a comic book written by another legend that, you know, Greg and I have covered on the podcast in the past. Many times, in fact. Lots of defenders, lots of destroyer duck. Greg is. Greg is not a fan of Howard the Duck at all. 109 00:11:48.000 --> 00:11:49.000 No, not at all. 110 00:11:49.000 --> 00:11:50.000 Oh, no. 111 00:11:50.000 --> 00:11:51.000 I can't stand it. I understand it's one of your least. 112 00:11:51.000 --> 00:11:58.000 One of my least favorite books. I. I don't have any of them in my collection. None whatsoever. 113 00:11:58.000 --> 00:12:02.000 Has the Grind Bin podcast covered Howard the Duck? 114 00:12:02.000 --> 00:12:08.000 We have not. Which. So one day that might have to happen. We'll have to make sure that. 115 00:12:08.000 --> 00:12:16.000 I don't know. I don't know. Okay, suppose the. 116 00:12:16.000 --> 00:12:22.000 And you can have me on when you cover. Like, I'll. I'll think of something. 117 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:27.000 Please do. I'll get you on the schedule. I'm the one who controls that. I. I hand. I have the book, Brother. Brother. 118 00:12:27.000 --> 00:12:29.000 I. I don't. 119 00:12:29.000 --> 00:12:44.000 I'll probably want to cover things that nobody else wants to talk about. Oh, yeah, here. We can cover a movie. We can cover a movie. You did. Nobody wants to cover but me. Okay. But anyway. All right, we'll go from that. 120 00:12:44.000 --> 00:12:45.000 He just like leaves it there. 121 00:12:45.000 --> 00:12:48.000 Yeah, well, you know, I mean, he 122 00:12:48.000 --> 00:12:50.000 got a thousand yard stare for a moment. 123 00:12:50.000 --> 00:12:51.000 He went somewhere. 124 00:12:50.000 --> 00:12:53.000 He went so deep into danism. 125 00:12:53.000 --> 00:12:57.000 Probably he heard the nom. Helicopters in his head. Just kind of. 126 00:12:57.000 --> 00:13:05.000 I hope you all talked over that comment. That was perfect. So hopefully nobody picked that up. But the. Yeah. 127 00:13:05.000 --> 00:13:06.000 So. 128 00:13:06.000 --> 00:13:12.000 Well, Bobby asked us to cover a comic. I know. And funny book forensics. 129 00:13:12.000 --> 00:13:15.000 What book? Comic book on this show. 130 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:17.000 And I'm already bringing it up, which is terrifying. 131 00:13:17.000 --> 00:13:23.000 This is terrifying. Dan, you haven't even got to the 30 minute mark, you son of a bitch. 132 00:13:23.000 --> 00:13:26.000 Well, when we hit the 30 minute mark, we might lose the whole show. 133 00:13:26.000 --> 00:13:29.000 Oh, my gosh. 134 00:13:29.000 --> 00:14:14.000 Apparently Marvel. You know, Marvel and DC both got these ideas in the 70s and you know, we've covered the. We've covered the DC, I would say the DC equivalent of this book, which we covered Muhammad Ali versus Superman on an episode and DC got this idea to release a Bunch of tabloid books. And one of the books that they decided to go out and contract was with Muhammad Ali. But it took a little bit to get that going. And apparently also this book has a history of taking a while to get going too with contracts and appearances. And I think. I think the Muhammad Ali book came out after this because it didn't come out in 78. 135 00:14:14.000 --> 00:14:17.000 Yes. And this was 76. 136 00:14:17.000 --> 00:14:34.000 All working through the. All working through different contracts and different things. Actually, we're back here so I can pull it out and look. But yeah, I don't think I'm going to be getting the Kiss book that we're not talking about today. Bobby told me it might be out of my price range. 137 00:14:34.000 --> 00:14:45.000 Yeah. You know, it being a Kiss collectible and the. Well, you're not part of the Kiss Army, Dan. You're not. You're not drinking a cold gin. You're not ready to shout it out loud. You're not gonna lick it up. 138 00:14:45.000 --> 00:14:49.000 Electrolytes in. 139 00:14:49.000 --> 00:15:02.000 You can lick that up good enough. But. But yeah, I looked into this and it being a Kiss collectible, this thing's worth a deuce. Like, it is a bit difficult to get a hold of for less than a several hundred dollars. 140 00:15:02.000 --> 00:15:23.000 I was, I. I was not allowed to be in the Kiss army as a child. I wasn't allowed to watch Kiss on tv. My parents forbid watching Kiss because they had a demon classic and face paint and stuff. They were okay with Menudo, but I wasn't interested. Not at the time. The. 141 00:15:23.000

--> 00:15:24.000 The soup, it's delicious. 142 00:15:24.000 --> 00:15:32.000 I was probably interested more in it now. At least the lead singer for a while. I. I don't blame you. 143 00:15:32.000 --> 00:15:45.000 No, he's looking good today too. You look great in the Super Bowl. But you know, I could. It would have been odd watching Kiss on TV because Kiss debuted on TV at the Paul Lind Halloween and see, 144 00:15:45.000 --> 00:15:50.000 that's something I need to go back and watch because Paul Lynde is also a national treasure. 145 00:15:50.000 --> 00:16:06.000 I mean, absolutely. It's. It's amazing. You do have to watch this. We covered it behind a paywall on our Patreon. And it was phenomenal. Not only Paul and his segments, but actually the Kiss performances too. It's the first time they ever performed on television. So they brought it for that Paul 146 00:16:06.000 --> 00:16:16.000 and I mean I have on my Facebook feed. Feed is all like him on Hollywood Square is just telling jokes like that is on my feed. So I can see it. 147 00:16:16.000 --> 00:16:22.000 How many men on a hockey team? About half. 148 00:16:22.000 --> 00:16:36.000 Yeah, I go watch that Holland and. And Charles Nelson. Riley on. On the Match Game. Yeah. If I could just watch the comments from Paul Lyndon on Hollywood Squares and Charles Nelson Riley on the Match Game. Like it just make my day for hours. 149 00:16:36.000 --> 00:16:42.000 That's all you need. You know, forget cable, forget all the streaming services. If you just get access to that, you're good. 150 00:16:42.000 --> 00:17:01.000 That and apparent and the. And not that it will come up today, but apparently they are. They now have a WCW live stream on YouTube where they're just playing old WCW stuff. You get on with other people and comment about it all like 300 people that might be watching it at some time. 151 00:17:01.000 --> 00:17:25.000 Hell yeah. There is a. There is a old school heavy metal slash pro wrestling themed beachside burger shack near my house. It's amazing. It's called Grill Them all and they have a big TV up on the wall that is always pretty much almost always streaming that WCW live stream. It's just. You'll go in there and watch some like from 91, you know, like RoboCop saving sting. 152 00:17:25.000 --> 00:17:33.000 I mean RoboCop saving sting is important. Or like Oz coming out. You know, like literally there was an 153 00:17:33.000 --> 00:17:34.000 Oz match on the last. 154 00:17:34.000 --> 00:17:36.000 Well, there you go. See, there's nothing like green. 155 00:17:36.000 --> 00:17:38.000 Like you nailed it. You hit it right on the hits. 156 00:17:38.000 --> 00:17:46.000 That's Kevin Nash. Matches were always such quality anyway. You know this. 157 00:17:46.000 --> 00:17:50.000 You want to watch him Frankenstein walk for a little while and occasionally hit somebody. 158 00:17:50.000 --> 00:18:06.000 In his defense, he did get into wrestling after like four knee surgeries. That's before he

even started. So probably wasn't going to move around too well ever. But yeah, I mean that, you know, Shawn Michaels was around really good. So when he got into WWF it looked. 159 00:18:06.000 --> 00:18:12.000 That's a good partner you need. You need the dude who stands perfectly still while the other guy dances around him in a circle. It's a. Yeah. 160 00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:28.000 I mean not to get distracted with wrestling, but WWE brought big cast back and then didn't make him a. Like a. A big partner to a little guy. They have him in actual matches where he has to like wrestle for a few minutes. 161 00:18:28.000 --> 00:18:30.000 Oh, it's like when Test came back. 162 00:18:30.000 --> 00:18:32.000 It's not. Not too well. 163 00:18:32.000 --> 00:18:50.000 Hopefully not. Oh, Chris Masters. Yeah, that's classic. That dude's still around. He like does the Indies and it's just like. But there's no real point to him anymore. He's just stands out. It's a dude who used to do a full nelson. 164 00:18:50.000 --> 00:18:55.000 The Master lock. I'll put Greg in the master lock next time we're at. 165 00:18:55.000 --> 00:18:59.000 Greg's gonna do the Master Lock challenge against me. 166 00:18:59.000 --> 00:19:00.000 No. 167 00:19:00.000 --> 00:19:02.000 You don't want to do the Master Lock challenge? 168 00:19:02.000 --> 00:19:14.000 No, actually, I really like this idea. You should incorporate this into the show. That's how your episode. You just suddenly. You just suddenly go put Greg in a submission hold until he passes out. And then the feed cuts. 169 00:19:14.000 --> 00:19:18.000 And see, I said we were going to talk about the comic book, and look what I did. It's amazing. 170 00:19:18.000 --> 00:19:21.000 And then off we go. 171 00:19:21.000 --> 00:19:33.000 Well, I mean, just like I have started to acquire some superpowers over the years. We are going to find out how Kiss got superpowers. 172 00:19:33.000 --> 00:19:35.000 They have superpowers. 173 00:19:35.000 --> 00:19:41.000 Apparently. Believe it or not, the four who are one have superpowers. 174 00:19:41.000 --> 00:19:44.000 I didn't read this book yet. 175 00:19:44.000 --> 00:19:53.000 But before we. Before we start, should I. Should I share the four ways I was gonna rage bait Bobby? Okay. 176 00:19:53.000 --> 00:19:54.000 Yes, please. 177 00:19:53.000 --> 00:19:56.000 I've already sent these to Bobby. So he's aware. 178 00:19:56.000 --> 00:19:57.000 He's aware. 179 00:19:57.000 --> 00:20:04.000 Number one was. I was going to say, to prepare for today, I listened to Kiss's best song, Beth, 180 00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:15.000 that does almost rage Beat me. That's. Beth is a terrible song. I. I don't know. Some listeners might disagree with me, especially dudes around in the 70s. I don't get the point in that song. 181 00:20:15.000 --> 00:20:24.000 Well, you see, they're singing and they can't find the sound. And then Beth is true. 182 00:20:24.000 --> 00:20:29.000 And Beth's on the phone, and, like, she's telling Peter, come home. And he's like, but the boys gotta 183 00:20:29.000 --> 00:20:43.000 keep playing because the boys are. You know. And so. And then. But then there's a whole nother verse about. I think it's. I think the second verse inspired Steel Panthers. Community property. 184 00:20:43.000 --> 00:20:46.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely is. 185 00:20:46.000 --> 00:20:52.000 When he's at home, he's with Beth, but when he's on the road, he's with the boys. 186 00:20:52.000 --> 00:20:54.000 It. He's with the boys. 187 00:20:54.000 --> 00:20:56.000 Community property. 188 00:20:56.000 --> 00:21:10.000 Oh, you see? And I appreciate that kind of representation. You see a lot of. A lot of accidental queer anthems in the KISS catalog. Like, even you listen to. You listen to Shout It Out Loud. We still get rowdy with the girls and boys. Everybody's got to make a statement. 189 00:21:10.000 --> 00:21:14.000 I will say, I think Steel Panther was implying they were with the other girls, not the boys. 190 00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:15.000 Oh. 191 00:21:15.000 --> 00:21:18.000 Oh, okay. Yeah. Well, I had a couple of others here. 192 00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:19.000 I think I'm projecting. 193 00:21:19.000 --> 00:21:27.000 I actually prefer Dean Simmons solo act when he was singing Frank Sinatra show tunes. 194 00:21:27.000 --> 00:21:37.000 Yeah, that. That solo album is. He's doing when you wish upon a Star. And, like, we don't. What are we doing, man? Like, I'm already feeling. It's. It's rising in me. 195 00:21:37.000 --> 00:21:43.000 Well, here we go. I actually prefer the MAGA Republican Jean Simmons. 196 00:21:43.000 --> 00:21:49.000 Guys, I gotta go. 197 00:21:49.000 --> 00:22:03.000 And of course, there's gonna be a 4.1 and then a 4.2. As a Legion of Superheroes fan number one, the only star man I acknowledge in music is David Bowie. 198 00:22:03.000 --> 00:22:05.000 You know, that's fair. That's. 199 00:22:05.000 --> 00:22:13.000 And the only starboy I can't argue. Star child I acknowledge is Tom Kaler. 200 00:22:13.000 --> 00:22:18.000 Man, if only. If only Paul Stanley had a legionnaire ring. Right? 201 00:22:18.000 --> 00:22:21.000 If he had a flight ring. 202 00:22:21.000 --> 00:22:28.000 Now, granted, you know, as we established in today's episode, they are Marvel characters, so it doesn't really work that way. 203 00:22:28.000 --> 00:22:36.000 Yeah, I mean, well, they could if there was a crossover. I mean, well. Oh, yeah. 204 00:22:36.000 --> 00:22:38.000 I always have them handy. 205 00:22:38.000 --> 00:22:39.000 He does. Yeah. 206 00:22:39.000 --> 00:22:40.000 They're always around. 207 00:22:40.000 --> 00:22:43.000 It's very important to have them. You never know when you're gonna need one. 208 00:22:43.000 --> 00:22:48.000 I, I totally understand. I've got multiple green. 209 00:22:48.000 --> 00:22:49.000 And I'm gonna get some more. 210 00:22:49.000 --> 00:22:50.000 We're ready. 211 00:22:50.000 --> 00:22:53.000 In case

anything happens, Green Lantern rings are coming with my card game, I believe. 212 00:22:53.000 --> 00:22:54.000 Ah. 213 00:22:54.000 --> 00:22:55.000 Oh, nice. 214 00:22:55.000 --> 00:22:56.000 You're getting more. 215 00:22:56.000 --> 00:22:59.000 Are they meant to look like the current dcu? 216 00:22:59.000 --> 00:23:08.000 I don't know. I have no idea. Because they're coming with the cryptozoic new DC card game Green Lantern thing that launched today as well. 217 00:23:08.000 --> 00:23:13.000 What if it's just dead stock? Are the ones that they gave away like five years ago? 218 00:23:13.000 --> 00:23:19.000 Yeah, those plastic ones from when, When Jeff Johns took over the book and they put out. 219 00:23:19.000 --> 00:23:20.000 I think I have those for everything. 220 00:23:20.000 --> 00:23:21.000 I know. 221 00:23:21.000 --> 00:23:25.000 You just couldn't get rid of those fast. 222 00:23:25.000 --> 00:23:27.000 Kept giving them out. But have a ring. 223 00:23:27.000 --> 00:23:30.000 You could do that cover where he's got all the rings out. 224 00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:42.000 Well, I, I love. I mean, I was explaining. We. I watched the second episode of Lanterns with one of my roommates and I was explaining some things. 225 00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:53.000 Oh, were you, Were you doing it like a, like a, A college professor during film class where, like, you're pausing it and going, okay, so when he said Mogo doesn't socialize, what he means by that? 226 00:23:53.000 --> 00:24:01.000 Well, I, I was. When, when they mentioned Mogo, I started laughing for like five minutes. And I'm just being looked at like, what is so funny? 227 00:24:01.000 --> 00:24:03.000 Like Max, Katie and Cape Fear. 228 00:24:03.000 --> 00:24:07.000 And I'm like, I did have to closet explain 229 00:24:07.000 --> 00:24:16.000 Dan sitting behind his roommate, smoking a cigar, just laughing, cackling. 230 00:24:16.000 --> 00:24:27.000 Oh, it happens. I, I, I, Yeah, there was. There are some parts of the show that I'm waiting for Matter Eater Lad to show up. 231 00:24:27.000 --> 00:24:29.000 Hell yeah. I mean, he's bound. 232 00:24:29.000 --> 00:24:34.000 Even though he should be in the 31st century, but we're not going to worry about that. 233 00:24:34.000 --> 00:24:37.000 We can fix that later. We just got to get him on there. 234 00:24:37.000 --> 00:24:42.000 Apparently, he's going to be on the. The Guerrilla Garage show. 235 00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:56.000 Yeah, yeah. Which. Interesting idea for a show. Like doing the mockumentary. Like when you watch the messy docs, like doing one of those. That's pretty fun. And honestly, the. The Daily Planet staff was a. One of the highlights of that. 236 00:24:56.000 --> 00:25:22.000 Super. Apparently it's kind of supposed to be loosely based off of what Matt Fraction was doing with Jimmy Olsen in the maxi series. Obviously, it's not that because Matt brought in all the different versions of Jimmy Olsen from, like, the Silver Age and, you

know, all the different things, which was glorious. But, yeah, I think there. It's supposed to be kind of that spirit, and I think that the Jimmy Olsen the movie kind of had that spirit to him too. 237 00:25:22.000 --> 00:25:28.000 Yeah, definitely. And that's. That's what makes me look forward to this. I think it's. If it's gonna have the tone, it's gonna be great. 238 00:25:28.000 --> 00:25:41.000 And. And there's supposed to be a lot of cameos, obviously, which would make sense. Yeah, I think it'll have. I mean, I think it'll have the tone of the. It sounds like it'll kind of have the tone of like the she Hulk comic book, which. 239 00:25:41.000 --> 00:25:55.000 It's what I wanted the she Hulk show to be. You know, I was like, this would be great if it's. If basically what I'm looking for is Harvey Birdman. If you could bring me Harvey Birdman in a live action series in some. In some spiritual manner. Like, I'm. I'm good. 240 00:25:55.000 --> 00:26:29.000 Well, in the. In the five years later legion in the late 80s, early 90s, Tenzil chem matter Eater Lad had already eaten the Miracle Machine. And so they argued that he could sort of manifest things because he had eaten this thing that could grant wishes. And so he. He had his own reality show called Tensil for the Defense and other reality shows. And he would just go around the galaxy doing reality shows because he could just manifest things that he wanted to happen in the show. 241 00:26:29.000 --> 00:26:31.000 Man, I can see that being a 242 00:26:31.000 --> 00:26:32.000 direction to go in. 243 00:26:31.000 --> 00:26:32.000 Yes. 244 00:26:32.000 --> 00:26:57.000 And so he will probably get an appearance just because James Gunn probably read those books and just wants to give the cameo acknowledgment to Keith Giffen and the beer bombs for doing that in the story that he's taking. I would. Yeah. It's interesting. I know some people don't like the new DC universe, and we're not supposed to be talking about that. We're going to talk about Kiss not getting distracted at all. 245 00:26:57.000 --> 00:27:09.000 It's okay. It's okay. It all builds. I meant to paint my face today, but it's hot as in California right now, so it would look terrible if I tried to do any kind of. Any kind of Kiss face paint. 246 00:27:09.000 --> 00:27:20.000 Well, I mean, there's. Well, we've got Kiss face paint in the comic and we only have three different artists drawing it or four. So everything will be fine at least. 247 00:27:20.000 --> 00:27:22.000 I mean, we got blood in the comic. 248 00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:41.000 Yeah, yeah. I mean, and, and we do. We have blood in the comic. It says so right here on the COVID Printed in real Kiss blood, which is. And, and they are nice enough to. I loved reading those pages. In the middle of this, they have pictures of them having their blood drawn 249 00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:43.000 standing around at the American Red Cross, 250 00:27:43.000 --> 00:28:02.000 which is a choice to

include blood draws in. In a, in a story. Not in the story, but in the. In the. In this. There was a choice. It wasn't my favorite choice, but it was a choice also. It was a choice to have four different artists draw this book. 251 00:28:02.000 --> 00:28:03.000 That's what makes it stand out. 252 00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:11.000 I. I reckon that was a time issue, right? Is that why they. They just had dudes cranking it out? Dudes cranking it? 253 00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:20.000 Yes. I mean, it got delayed and then when they got. You want the best, they were like flying on it. Yeah, 254 00:28:20.000 --> 00:28:23.000 that makes a lot of sense. I should probably explain why I. Oh yeah. 255 00:28:23.000 --> 00:28:27.000 Why did you pick this before I launched, I think a cover. 256 00:28:27.000 --> 00:28:28.000 Why. 257 00:28:27.000 --> 00:29:46.000 Why did you pick it now? I. I'm. My relationship with Kiss is interesting. I had, you know, that classic scenario where you enjoy something ironically for so long that it kind of begins not being ironic anymore. Like you start to forget that you're supposed to be enjoying this ironically. I do this with a lot of things. I really like a lot of 70s and 80s head scratching Americana. Like, I lump Kiss with like the Harlem Globetrotters and Evel Knievel, you know, these are. These. What the hell were we all doing? Like, why did this get so popular? Kind of things. And we covered Kiss meets the Phantom of the park on my show, which is an incredible film, if you guys haven't seen that. And I fell in love with that movie because it is just an absolute shit show of a film. A couple behind the scenes bits about Kiss, me as a Phantom of the Park. Peter Chris was so strung out when they made this that none of his dialogue picked up when they recorded it was just. He was kind of mumbling like Dan Haggerty. And they said, can you come back in and do the looping? And he said, no. And so Hannah Barbera, who produced this, had to bring in a guy to dub him. And the guy they got to dub him was the guy who goes on to voice Duke on G.I. 258 00:29:46.000 --> 00:29:47.000 joe. 259 00:29:46.000 --> 00:29:48.000 Okay? 260 00:29:48.000 --> 00:30:02.000 And so while the other three members of Kiss are talking, you know, like the Cowardly lion, the. Suddenly Peter Chris is talking like this while you are visibly watching him pass out. 261 00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:03.000 Okay? 262 00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:30.000 The other really great thing about Kiss meets Fan of the park is Ace Freely. Whenever he felt like he'd done enough for the day, regardless of what was left to shoot, he had a moped he kept right off set, he'd just hop on it and leave. Full makeup, full suit, just driving away on a moped. And so there are scenes in this movie where they had to get his stunt double to sit in for him. His stunt double was African American. And so for a handful of scenes throughout that movie, you suddenly have black Ace. 263 00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:31.000 Okay? 264 00:30:31.000 --> 00:30:59.000 Like, this dude looks like Tim Meadows. It's amazing. He looks nothing like Ace Freely. And. And so it is just an insane show. And what I discovered, because they have superpowers in that movie, is that this was established in a Marvel comic, and I sought out that Marvel comic that explains why they have superpowers in their. In their movie where they're just trying to play a concert at Magic Mountain. 265 00:30:59.000 --> 00:31:04.000 Okay. I mean, that. That makes total sense. And it's right here. 266 00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:11.000 And upon reading it, I was like, you guys got to read this. Like, I had. I had to bring it to you when Greg was like, do you want to come on the show? It was like, I got just the fingers. 267 00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:18.000 And not only do they have superpowers, but these superpowers were created by Steve Gerber, who created Howard the Doc. 268 00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:35.000 Yes. And. And. And it makes so much sense as to why I like this and why. Like, because also, like that movie, as a kid, I watched that movie so many times, my parents are like, okay, well, at least he's not setting fire to the neighborhood. 269 00:31:35.000 --> 00:31:39.000 I've never seen this movie, and I don't think I would have been allowed to watch it. 270 00:31:39.000 --> 00:31:44.000 Oh, it's fantastic. I should lend you my copy. 271 00:31:44.000 --> 00:31:48.000 Yeah, it's the way it's meant to be seen. 272 00:31:48.000 --> 00:32:51.000 Well, it's weird because they got Gerber and then they got Alan Weiss to pencil this, which is weird. It's not that Alan Weiss is a bad penciler. It's just not. You'd think, like, if you were doing a major crossover book and just kind of thinking about probably how Roy Thomas thought about. Because Roy Thomas, I believe, was the editor in chief when this came. And you think about how Roy Thomas the comic book historian and you know, like Stan Lee's coffee boy and you know, then writer of the Avengers. And then, you know, we love Roy for his history stuff. We just don't like it when he says he co created Wolverine. But everything else, we love Roy, you know, keeping Tomorrow Publishing, which I have one of their books over here mentioned Kiss and you know, love those things about him. Don't love it when he just doesn't show up at SummerCon on the first day when Greg and I want to get dm. 273 00:32:51.000 --> 00:32:53.000 Yeah. 274 00:32:53.000 --> 00:33:06.000 So, you know, so you know, it's kind of a love hate relationship. But we love, we love zoo animal books, you know, from, you know, it's so, you know, it's Captain Carrot and the Zoo Crew. I mean, who, who didn't love that? 275 00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:08.000 Who didn't? 276 00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:09.000 Impossible. 277 00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:47.000 But, you know, you kind of look at, I guess it looks like that this guy was doing some Howard the Duck, maybe how he got in here. So working with Steve. But

you'd think, you know, you're doing a major production, right? And I'm thinking about the book we were comparing this to before Superman. So DC has the tabloid sized books. Marvel decides to do some tabloid size books, right? And they have Marvel Spectacular. Marvel Spectacular was a regular size book, right. And these are super spectacular. So they're tabloid size books, right. Which makes sense. 278 00:33:47.000 --> 00:33:50.000 So when you're reading this on the subway, everybody can see it. 279 00:33:50.000 --> 00:34:40.000 And of course, over time, you know, they get Steve Gerber, who's one of their top writers to do this. And D.C. does the opposite. They go get, you know, they go get Neil Adams to draw, draw Muhammad Ali, right? Like so they're not playing around. In fact, they had to get Neil Adams back, right? They had to get him. It took so long to get the contract back. Neil Adams was out advocating for artist rights and DC had to go get him and pay him to do that book. You would think Marvel would get one of their top artists. And then Greg and I already disagree already, but then we get this cover and I don't know what this cover is. I'm gonna say the interiors that Weiss does look way better than the COVID 280 00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:46.000 man. So what did you have? What bothered you about this cover? Now we're discussing the full wraparound. 281 00:34:46.000 --> 00:35:23.000 Yeah, we can talk about the full wraparound. The front, the back cover is great. But if we're putting this on a newsstand and we're trying to sell Kiss. Like this, they're like. There's no. I don't know how to. Greg, tell me why I hate this. Like, it's because they're like. They're just. It's like somebody just drew the four Kiss characters and then pasted them onto. 282 00:35:23.000 --> 00:35:24.000 Onto a rock. 283 00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:26.000 Yeah. 284 00:35:26.000 --> 00:35:28.000 I mean, it just looks like one other album. 285 00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:31.000 No, no, that album comes. Bring your album cover back. See. 286 00:35:31.000 --> 00:35:34.000 Oh, I have the Destroyer portion of there. 287 00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:38.000 Right. They're all standing. They're all jumping this one. 288 00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:43.000 They are all, you know, just point of comparison again. 289 00:35:43.000 --> 00:35:44.000 They're. 290 00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:50.000 You can see the differences. Right. Like, the album covers actually are much better. 291 00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:56.000 I. I don't know why Ace is playing an invisible keyboard on the COVID of this comic book. 292 00:35:56.000 --> 00:35:58.000 Yeah, he just. 293 00:35:58.000 --> 00:36:01.000 It's odd choice. Gene is kicking Paul Stanley. 294 00:36:01.000 --> 00:36:06.000 I thought Ace was holding a. An invisible sandwich, 295 00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:07.000 man. He's. 296 00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:08.000 He's. 297 00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:09.000 He's making a sandwich. He's. He's adding. 298 00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:13.000 And I'm not sure what Peter Chris is doing either. He's squatting for some reason. 299 00:36:13.000 --> 00:36:15.000 Well, he's a cat, so I think 300 00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:16.000 we all know what he's about to do. 301 00:36:16.000 --> 00:36:19.000 Yes. 302 00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:22.000 And he's about to scrape. Oh, he's done probably. He's now scraping it. 303 00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:24.000 Yeah, yeah. 304 00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:38.000 He's trying to cover something up. And Paul Stanley is pointing a gas at something behind us, which is not the. The villain of our story because the villain of our stories on the other side of the wraparound. So what is Paul terrified of? 305 00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:41.000 Parents? Because he just don't understand. 306 00:36:41.000 --> 00:36:44.000 Oh, no, it's the. The moms against Kiss. 307 00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:45.000 Oh, my God. 308 00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:47.000 I assume that was a thing, a real thing. 309 00:36:47.000 --> 00:37:09.000 Yeah, to a degree. Yeah. That wasn't exactly like it was in the movie, of course, but, yeah, people definitely were. They didn't know what to make of Kiss. It was like the satanic panic that happened with movies, which is so bizarre for a band like Kiss, because you listen to any other songs and it's just, you know, who wants to have a little. Oh, before we rock it roll. We were like, this is the. 310 00:37:09.000 --> 00:37:10.000 Well, it's. 311 00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:31.000 I mean, it's the Persona. Right? They acknowledge that the Persona is their band. Right. Like this. Not an insult to Kiss. I don't think it's an insult to Kiss to say that the. The talent was good, but the talent gets over because of the Personas. Not the other way around, 100%, though. 312 00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:54.000 A little bit of history for you. They started Gene and Paul were in a band called Wicked Lester and which, if you look that up on, you know, Spotify, not bad. Some of those tracks are on there. They got a record deal after only three live performances as a band. Major record deal. Gene and Paul turned around and tried to fire the other two guys. 313 00:37:54.000 --> 00:37:55.000 That's bad. 314 00:37:55.000 --> 00:38:27.000 And so that album never came out because those dudes were like, we don't work for you, dude. Like, what do you mean? What do you mean, we're fired? And so they had to put out ads and try to get members together. And they kind of formed Kiss quickly, much like this comic was put together. They were like, oh, we need a drummer and we need a lead guitarist because we ain't got nothing right now. And so they scrapped that album. They saved, like, one song from that Wicked Lester album and made that a Kiss song and brought these guys together as quickly as they could. 315 00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:48.000 Okay, so sort of like Pearl Jam. Yeah, except. Except they didn't. Somebody didn't have to die to do that. But, yeah, certainly under. Under the same circumstances. It's a firing

as opposed to an overdose. But they were getting record contracts. Had to pull people together really quickly, make stuff happen. 316 00:38:48.000 --> 00:39:03.000 But it's interesting that they were the Gene and Paul we know them to be now. Back in the 70s, like, immediately, it was just like, well, we're a brand. Like, let's just go with it. And it's really just the two of us and the dudes we hire. 317 00:39:03.000 --> 00:39:10.000 That explains a lot. That's. Well, go ahead, Greg. 318 00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:18.000 I was gonna say I. I like the COVID I feel like it's. It's got that, like, that feel of, like, a Mad magazine. 319 00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:20.000 I don't think that's the. 320 00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:23.000 I. I know we needed a. We needed a Genie Newman. 321 00:39:23.000 --> 00:39:24.000 Yeah. 322 00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:25.000 On the back. 323 00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:31.000 Well, that's what the. That's what. That's what. That's what Doom is. You can't see it under his mask. 324 00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:32.000 Oh, man, it's Alfred. 325 00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:38.000 Alfred E. Dooman. That's. 326 00:39:38.000 --> 00:40:23.000 The cost of comics are going up. You've basically, like, quadrupled the cost of comics in the last, like, three years here. And now we're taking a tabloid, which would have been $0.50, $0.45, putting it alongside Life magazine and putting a $50 cent sale price on it. You better be on point. Right, You've got. Contrasting again, right? You've got the DC offering of Neil Adams putting Muhammad Ali on the COVID with Superman and drawing every person from the 19 from 1977 or 76 on the COVID Right. In the audience. And you have this. 327 00:40:23.000 --> 00:40:26.000 But this is in their blood, Dan. 328 00:40:26.000 --> 00:40:30.000 They printed it in their blood. 329 00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:39.000 Which, you know, if we had a tangible copy here in front of us. I'm wondering if a lot of that red has turned brown. Does this, does this entire book smell like pennies? 330 00:40:39.000 --> 00:40:40.000 Tastes like. 331 00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:42.000 Will I get. Will I get hepatitis from this book? 332 00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:48.000 Could you clone it? Well, whose blood did you get? Did you get Peter's blood? 333 00:40:48.000 --> 00:40:54.000 Oh, man, that's like. It's like the mystery toy in a Happy Meal. You're like, whose blood did I get in this issue? 334 00:40:54.000 --> 00:40:59.000 Aces. Blood. Blood. 335 00:40:59.000 --> 00:41:01.000 My copy at Ace is blood. Before you send. Finish saying blood. 336 00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:10.000 You've already passed out. Well, we turn the page and we get an advertisement. 337 00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:12.000 I love it. 338 00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:20.000 Yes. Because this is really more of a. A Kiss magazine that advertises Marvel than it is Marvel advertising Kiss and Fair. 339 00:41:20.000 --> 00:41:24.000 Marvel is trying to convince you to buy comics over and over in this book. 340 00:41:24.000 --> 00:41:25.000 Oh, yeah. 341 00:41:25.000 --> 00:41:26.000 Which is fascinating. 342 00:41:26.000 --> 00:41:40.000 Please. Well, I mean, 70s Marvel, that's why they grabbed all these different IPs, you know, that's why we're putting out Star wars comics and Godzilla comics and all that. Because Marvel itself, you know, this. Is this in the 90s where the two times Marvel was, like, really hurting. 343 00:41:40.000 --> 00:42:08.000 Yeah. Well, we're, we're, we're. We're only a year away from the implosion, though, so they were doing okay. Right. Now the implosion happens in 78, mostly for DC. Right. But the Marvel contracts as well. So we're doing okay. We're in the giant size era. Right. And so we're not. We're not totally crashed out yet. It was mentioned that they spent more on this comic than any comic they'd ever produced. 344 00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:09.000 The blood. 345 00:42:09.000 --> 00:43:30.000 So getting the IP was a big deal. That was in the, in the text of this book. I don't know how much they spent. Maybe if I look at my. Look at my notes here that I haven't seen yet from the American Comic Book Chronicles from tomorrow's publishing by Jason Sachs. This one, it probably tells me. It does note that it was priced at 150 when nearly every other Marvel publication was selling for 30 cents. So I'll grab that. Fun fact, I don't know if I see if it has numbers on here, and I know it's not going to be on Comic Con because getting the numbers on books that weren't subscription books is really hard in the 70s. No, it just follows this book up by telling us on the next page about the Spider man movie, which was really great. But noting. Yeah, they did. They noted that, uh, maybe Don McGregor was the original person that was going to write this instead of Gerber, which would have been a really interesting difference if you think about it. And they did note here that According to a 1977 Gallup poll, Kiss was America's most popular music act in 19. 346 00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:32.000 Absolutely. They were the quote, hottest band in 347 00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:34.000 the world at that point. So good timing. 348 00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:38.000 This is long before they turned into a terrible hair metal band in the 80s. 349 00:43:38.000 --> 00:43:51.000 80s for sure. And yeah, and Gerber had. Apparently Greg would know this. Kiss appear briefly in Howard the duck number 12. 350 00:43:51.000 --> 00:43:52.000 There's a lot of guest appearances. 351 00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:59.000 That was technically their Marvel debut, brief moment. 352 00:43:59.000 --> 00:44:02.000 So. And it was printed in real blood. I mean, that's the other thing here. 353 00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:17.000 I mean, here's the question. What was the cost? Was it the cost of, of the printing? Was it the cost? Because it's. It's Bl blood. Was it. Was it Kiss or was it all that Coca Cola that those crazy kids were drinking? 354 00:44:17.000 --> 00:44:30.000 I Kissed. This is

notoriously famous for Coca Cola holding up people for once they sign a contract if they don't like the way something's going, they then hold people up for more money. 355 00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:33.000 They're the ultimate warrior of band, but they still made. 356 00:44:33.000 --> 00:45:06.000 Well, they were the ultimate warrior of. They were the ultimate warrior of wrestling too when they had the Kiss Demon because they created that contract was insane. Well, WCW was stupid, but they paid them all this money to have this character. And then Kiss pulls out and. But they can still use the character, but they can just call him the Demon because he was called Kiss Demon. And then he had to be called the Demon, but he was still looked like Gene Simmons, so it didn't make any sense. 357 00:45:06.000 --> 00:45:26.000 And part of the contract was that he only performed in main event matches. Purgin Simmons. And so even though they put him as a mid carder, they had to have people announce that this is a special main event every time. The Kiss Demon came out and fought, you know, Vampiro in the middle of the show. 358 00:45:26.000 --> 00:45:30.000 And he fought Vampiro, which was a. 359 00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:31.000 In a cemetery. 360 00:45:31.000 --> 00:45:39.000 And Dale Torberg, nice guy, eventually became the strength coach for the Florida Marlins under his dad, who was the manager, 361 00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:56.000 Jeff, big baseball guy, Dale, he was really into that. His. In fact, they chose him to portray the demon because he was doing dark matches in a baseball Furies from the warriors gimmick. So he was already a tall dude painting his face. And they were like, well, you're used to putting on face paint, man. Let's just Switch it up. 362 00:45:56.000 --> 00:46:21.000 Similar. Similar to the Renegade, rest his soul. They pushed this guy into a main event, quote unquote situation when he wasn't ready and then had him wrestle people that were not. Not very good wrestlers like Vampiro. Vampiro, great entertainer, but not a great like in ring. 363 00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:23.000 Not known for being a worker. 364 00:46:23.000 --> 00:46:43.000 And so in this here, I think that the first comment I had was we get Alan Weiss who. And then we get John Ansell and Rick Buckler. 365 00:46:43.000 --> 00:46:44.000 Murderers Road. 366 00:46:44.000 --> 00:46:51.000 Yeah, like what is going on here? Like, why didn't John Basima just not draw the whole thing? 367 00:46:51.000 --> 00:46:56.000 Yeah, like it had to be because it would take too long. We had to get this shit done in a nightmare. 368 00:46:56.000 --> 00:47:07.000 But it did note that they gave it to Al. They gave the product a whole project to Alan Weiss first. I mean had they just lost too many people to D.C. at this point that were their top artists. 369 00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:09.000 Yeah. 370 00:47:09.000 --> 00:47:10.000 And you think it's too. 371 00:47:10.000 --> 00:47:11.000 Is. 372 00:47:10.000 --> 00:47:36.000 It's before the mass exodus happens. Right. But yeah, they just, it. They didn't have a bullpen to go to, I guess. No pun. Pun intended. So while we jump in and. Yeah, so it's a. It's a little bit. So the, the good news here is the story isn't going to be disjointed, but the art is very disjointed across the. The book. 373 00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:41.000 I thought it looked perfect. It all flowed together so nicely. 374 00:47:41.000 --> 00:47:46.000 Greg. There were panels with arrows. 375 00:47:46.000 --> 00:48:00.000 Yeah, that. That page kills me bad like that. It's just this weird. This weird tessellated jumble of panels that they have to go. No, then look at this one. Okay, now come back over here. Here and then here and then back here and then you're over there. 376 00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:01.000 Well, one of the. 377 00:48:01.000 --> 00:48:03.000 I mean it's just like watching. Did it. 378 00:48:03.000 --> 00:48:22.000 Yeah. One of the things they did do well that Bobby already talked about is they do a little intro for Kiss and then they do a little intro for Dr. Doom. They. They don't assume with pros. They. Yeah, in pros. And they don't assume that anybody picking this up for Kiss knows anything about Marvel comic books. 379 00:48:22.000 --> 00:48:32.000 Yeah, that was the. That seemed to be. The tone of this whole thing is just like you probably don't read comics, but you probably do listen to Kiss. So let's. Let's see if we can make you a Marvelite out of this. 380 00:48:32.000 --> 00:48:33.000 And it. 381 00:48:33.000 --> 00:48:34.000 I think it's smart too. 382 00:48:34.000 --> 00:49:14.000 So different than we see in other medium. You shouldn't just assume that people know the entire history of what you're talking about. So we Flipped. So we get a table of contents and we have. The contents are a Kiss and Tell. An editorial. A brief biography of Dr. Doom. Kiss Comics Part 1. A blind barbarian and an ancient curse. A mystic metamorphosis and more. Then we get blood on the plates, A true life heavy metal gothic. Then we get where no band has tread before I Kiss history complete with discography. 383 00:49:14.000 --> 00:49:15.000 Ah. 384 00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:22.000 Now, granted, it's a history only up to, like, the third album because we're dealing with the mid-70s, so it's not a very long history. 385 00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:47.000 We find out they've released Beth, like, three times. And then Kiss Comics Part 2, Bubbling Brimstone, A Deadly Discography, and Doctor Doom. And then backstage. So I'm going to say, when Bobby gave this and I thought I have to read 66 pages, initially I was like, wow, thanks. 386 00:49:47.000 --> 00:49:49.000 Thanks a lot for that. 387 00:49:49.000 --> 00:49:52.000 But it's like 388 00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:57.000 grand opening and grand closing of Bobby on funny book fruits. 389 00:49:57.000 --> 00:50:00.000 But then we'll never be having you back. 390 00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:04.000 Like, you

didn't give me anything. With 16 panels to read, so. 391 00:50:04.000 --> 00:50:06.000 No, no, no, no, I wouldn't. Do you like that? 392 00:50:06.000 --> 00:50:12.000 It is the. The episode where we never even talk about the comic, pretty much. Anyway. 393 00:50:12.000 --> 00:50:17.000 We're gonna do it, though. We're gonna go back and do every single panel. 394 00:50:17.000 --> 00:50:18.000 No. 395 00:50:18.000 --> 00:50:19.000 Yes. 396 00:50:19.000 --> 00:50:20.000 No. 397 00:50:19.000 --> 00:50:21.000 Yes. 398 00:50:21.000 --> 00:50:26.000 We're doing this. Like an audio that is. I'll take Paul. Who do you want to be? 399 00:50:26.000 --> 00:50:27.000 Okay. 400 00:50:27.000 --> 00:50:32.000 Oh, we can do. Oh, you meant this. See, Bobby's thinking this. Greg wants to do Dark Knight Returns 401 00:50:32.000 --> 00:50:35.000 panel as an audiobook. 402 00:50:35.000 --> 00:50:39.000 Oh, man. Can I just pop in as the leader of the mutants? 403 00:50:39.000 --> 00:50:47.000 Oh, you want to be the Nazis or you want to be the Brown Shirts? Okay, 404 00:50:47.000 --> 00:50:48.000 Con. 405 00:50:47.000 --> 00:50:48.000 Okay. 406 00:50:48.000 --> 00:50:49.000 Yeah. 407 00:50:48.000 --> 00:50:52.000 So I don't know where this is going. 408 00:50:52.000 --> 00:50:53.000 So Kiss. 409 00:50:52.000 --> 00:51:03.000 We. We get a really cool. Okay, so by the way, the interior panel with the band, it's the first page of the comic book. On page seven of this, by the 410 00:51:03.000 --> 00:51:04.000 way, just sort of the. 411 00:51:04.000 --> 00:51:06.000 The notice about this book. 412 00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:07.000 Yeah. 413 00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:11.000 It's really easy to find things here because there are page numbers at the bottom. 414 00:51:11.000 --> 00:51:14.000 What are page numbers, Dan? Tell me more. 415 00:51:14.000 --> 00:51:15.000 I can reference things. 416 00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:16.000 It's. 417 00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:17.000 It's amazing when you put page numbers 418 00:51:17.000 --> 00:51:28.000 in the book, you know, I hear. I hear you like those, Bobby. Do you like page numbers in your books or do you, like. See, that's what I thought. 419 00:51:28.000 --> 00:51:36.000 Or people that want to delay their shipping out of the book I paid for on Kickstarter by an extra four months because they can't, you know, find their things. 420 00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:38.000 Find their what? Their pages. 421 00:51:38.000 --> 00:51:43.000 Pshaw People who need page numbers probably can't find their way home when they 422 00:51:43.000 --> 00:51:45.000 go for a walk. 423 00:51:45.000 --> 00:51:49.000 That's. That happens to Dan a lot when he goes out walking his dog. 424 00:51:49.000 --> 00:51:59.000 That's why the dog takes me home. So. Well, anyway, this. This could have been the COVID It's not bad. It's pretty good. 425 00:51:59.000 --> 00:52:03.000 It's a little. There's a couple. There's a couple bizarre things about this, but it's much better. 426 00:52:03.000 --> 00:52:09.000 Why is John Lennon licking Paul's shoulder? 427 00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:11.000 It's either. I thought he was trying to lick his own. 428 00:52:11.000 --> 00:52:13.000 Oh, that's his knee. 429 00:52:13.000 --> 00:52:14.000 Oh, interesting. Oh. 430 00:52:14.000 --> 00:52:17.000 Oh, yeah, that's his. His big. His big go go. 431 00:52:17.000 --> 00:52:19.000 Yeah. Okay. 432 00:52:19.000 --> 00:52:21.000 Okay. 433 00:52:21.000 --> 00:52:25.000 Well, in fact, Paul's kind of side eyeing him like, why are you licking 434 00:52:25.000 --> 00:52:27.000 your own knee right now? Ace is just kind of looking off 435 00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:35.000 into space, once again disturbed by something over the reader. There's a lot of. Look out behind you. 436 00:52:35.000 --> 00:52:37.000 I don't know what Peter's doing. 437 00:52:37.000 --> 00:52:45.000 He's a cat. He's doing exactly what you think he's doing. He's squatting down again. God damn it. He's doing it all over. 438 00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:50.000 He's a scat cat. 439 00:52:50.000 --> 00:53:15.000 Yeah. That means. Yeah, they did have the word scat on the first couple of pages here, which was interesting. It, of course, refers to music. So the. Yeah. So we opened the book and Gene and Paul out of costume, which is interesting. It's good that they tell you who they are, because I don't know why you would know. 440 00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:19.000 Who would you know? I. I thought this are human alterations. 441 00:53:19.000 --> 00:53:22.000 I thought this was a welcome back Cotter comic book for a minute. 442 00:53:22.000 --> 00:53:25.000 Yeah. They look like sweat hogs. 443 00:53:25.000 --> 00:53:29.000 Sweat hogs again, that was a D.C. book, Greg. 444 00:53:29.000 --> 00:53:31.000 Oh, I know. 445 00:53:31.000 --> 00:53:33.000 Yeah. They fought Muhammad Ali. 446 00:53:33.000 --> 00:53:37.000 They did take all the sweat hogs. Horse, horse. Ax in the back. 447 00:53:37.000 --> 00:53:38.000 Yeah. 448 00:53:37.000 --> 00:53:39.000 Come on, guys. 449 00:53:39.000 --> 00:53:43.000 Remember when. Remember when Barry Allen raced the sweat hogs and. 450 00:53:43.000 --> 00:53:49.000 Well, no, I just thought that John Travolta used his leverage to fight Muhammad Ali. 451 00:53:49.000 --> 00:53:50.000 His leverage? 452 00:53:49.000 --> 00:53:54.000 You know, like in the greatest movie ever, Battlefield Earth, where he used leverage all the time. 453 00:53:54.000 --> 00:53:55.000 Yes. 454 00:53:54.000 --> 00:53:56.000 Oh, my. 455 00:53:56.000 --> 00:53:58.000 Yeah. Is the greatest movie ever made. 456 00:53:58.000 --> 00:54:02.000 Does grindhouse covered battle and just make this a Scientology. 457 00:54:02.000 --> 00:54:05.000 Has Grindhouse covered Battlefield Earth? 458 00:54:05.000 --> 00:54:17.000 It's a little 98's a little recent for our show. Our parameters tend to stick in the late 60s into the very beginning of the 90s. Like, we'll maybe go into like a 92, but we rarely. 459 00:54:17.000

--> 00:54:23.000 There's really no reason for you to cover it. I was just curious. I mean, it is it is definitely on film. 460 00:54:23.000 --> 00:54:26.000 Oh, I. I'll tell you later, Dan. I'll tell you later. 461 00:54:26.000 --> 00:54:27.000 What about. 462 00:54:27.000 --> 00:54:28.000 No, no, I'll tell you. 463 00:54:27.000 --> 00:54:30.000 Scientology. You want to talk to me about that? 464 00:54:30.000 --> 00:54:33.000 Well, yes, if you're willing to open. 465 00:54:33.000 --> 00:54:34.000 He wanted you to take a stress. 466 00:54:34.000 --> 00:54:44.000 If you're willing to open yourself up and accept what you can at the moment, then we can have that conversation. 467 00:54:44.000 --> 00:54:46.000 Oh, that sounds like yoga. 468 00:54:46.000 --> 00:54:59.000 Well, it is part yoga, because we do offer that, but you first have to come with me and take a couple of tests. There's a stress test, but then there's also a lightning test. 469 00:54:59.000 --> 00:55:01.000 I don't know what you're talking about right now. 470 00:55:01.000 --> 00:55:06.000 So that is like. That is something a suppressive personality would say. 471 00:55:06.000 --> 00:55:08.000 Yeah, I don't think he's ready. 472 00:55:08.000 --> 00:55:09.000 Bobby. 473 00:55:09.000 --> 00:55:11.000 Leah Remini or something. I don't think. 474 00:55:11.000 --> 00:55:13.000 I think you need to do a couple months on the boat. 475 00:55:13.000 --> 00:55:14.000 Couple months? 476 00:55:14.000 --> 00:55:15.000 I don't want to do that. 477 00:55:15.000 --> 00:55:16.000 Do you like. 478 00:55:16.000 --> 00:55:22.000 Do you like green drink or pink drink better? 479 00:55:22.000 --> 00:55:26.000 There you go. He's a pink drinker. 480 00:55:26.000 --> 00:55:52.000 Okay, well, in the comic book, Paul and Gene are walking around, and Gene has a Conan the Barbarian comic, and he is bemoaning his old man for telling him he has to grow up and not read comic books. And it sounds like Gene Simmons grew up to be exactly what his old man is now in the. In the comic. 481 00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:54.000 Yeah, I think so. 482 00:55:54.000 --> 00:55:56.000 Wow. How the Turbos have terribles. 483 00:55:56.000 --> 00:56:07.000 You think? There was a moment where Gene is staring in the mirror backstage and is in his full demon slap, and he's just like, muttering, I've become my father. 484 00:56:07.000 --> 00:56:12.000 Oh, no, as he tries to lick his boot. 485 00:56:12.000 --> 00:56:22.000 Well, but it's an interesting scenario, though, of him just being like, we need to give up all this kitty Paul. And waving around his Conan comic on the streets of New York. 486 00:56:22.000 --> 00:56:46.000 Exactly what he did later. He told everybody that they should. He told all the artists that they shouldn't talk about politics because nobody cares about that. Their opinion. So, I mean, he's kind of. He should have just made the shift. Right. But they run into a guy. I. I don't know his name. I find he's made like, two appearances in Marvel Comics. 487 00:56:46.000 --> 00:56:48.000 Yeah, his. His name is Dizzy. 488 00:56:48.000 --> 00:56:51.000 But we don't know that, do we? 489 00:56:51.000 --> 00:56:55.000 It comes up later. I. I think Dr. Strange calls him by name. 490 00:56:55.000 --> 00:57:10.000 Yeah. So he's wearing a. It's quite the T shirt. He's. He. Okay, so if Gambit was overweight and had a furry brief on. 491 00:57:10.000 --> 00:57:11.000 Okay. 492 00:57:11.000 --> 00:57:19.000 With his T shirt. And then lost a little Bit he's wearing hairy under. Became gray and grew a beard. This is pretty much what you'd have here. 493 00:57:19.000 --> 00:57:27.000 It's like he's balding with a top knot. His midriff shirt says, play hard, play fair. Nobody. 494 00:57:27.000 --> 00:57:30.000 Yeah, it's. Oh, I know what this is. 495 00:57:30.000 --> 00:57:31.000 What? 496 00:57:30.000 --> 00:57:37.000 It's superstar Billy Graham in the 80s, but he still has his hair from the 70s. 497 00:57:37.000 --> 00:57:39.000 Yeah. 498 00:57:39.000 --> 00:57:40.000 Oh, I like Dan. 499 00:57:40.000 --> 00:57:41.000 I think you found your new cosplay. 500 00:57:41.000 --> 00:57:49.000 If this dude was out there flexing for people, being, you know, the reflection of perfection. The number one selection. 501 00:57:49.000 --> 00:57:50.000 Yes. 502 00:57:49.000 --> 00:57:54.000 That the women's pet, the men's regret, or. What you see is what you get and what you don't see is even better. 503 00:57:54.000 --> 00:58:15.000 That's exactly what I think. He. Well, wow. I hardly. I'm. I was having a bad day with Dolly Parton thing, but now look at this. So, yeah, anyway, he. This. He throws a box at Paul. 504 00:58:15.000 --> 00:58:16.000 Yeah. 505 00:58:15.000 --> 00:58:18.000 Like a whole gang of people are dog piling him trying to get this 506 00:58:18.000 --> 00:58:30.000 box and he throws it at Paul and Paul says, oh. And they start running away with the box. Was there any text I should have covered there? Are we good? Just. 507 00:58:30.000 --> 00:58:47.000 That is important. Well, he does. Dizzy recognizes Gene and Paul. They don't know who he is, but he's like, you're finally here. And he says, like, heads up, flaming youths. And he. And when he throws in this magic glowing box, this is just hell. Oh, my God. 508 00:58:47.000 --> 00:58:49.000 Oh, no. 509 00:58:49.000 --> 00:58:51.000 It's the lament configuration or the start 510 00:58:51.000 --> 00:58:53.000 to any lazy DND campaign. 511 00:58:53.000 --> 00:58:57.000 That. Yes. Yeah, that's. That's a. This could be a D campaign. Holy. 512 00:58:57.000 --> 00:59:03.000 It is. Yeah. You were just. They're just walking around and then they're gonna run into some more friends at Tavern here in a second. 513 00:59:03.000 --> 00:59:04.000 Oh, my gosh. 514 00:59:04.000 --> 00:59:12.000 Can you imagine though, if you. If you solved the lament configuration and it turned and it reconfigured and like the wall split open and it was just

Kiss. 515 00:59:12.000 --> 00:59:19.000 I'll let down. I mean, a Kiss from the seventies Or. Or near like Kiss now. 516 00:59:19.000 --> 00:59:21.000 Oh, God. Current Italian. 517 00:59:21.000 --> 00:59:24.000 It'd be like. It's k. Oh, son of a. 518 00:59:24.000 --> 00:59:27.000 Close. 519 00:59:27.000 --> 00:59:32.000 Oh, man. Ace Freely. No, I'm not Ace. What? That's bullshit. 520 00:59:32.000 --> 00:59:36.000 Oh, this is a destroyer. 521 00:59:36.000 --> 00:59:44.000 Well, we get. We run into Peter and Ace playing pinball 522 00:59:44.000 --> 00:59:47.000 and. 523 00:59:47.000 --> 00:59:57.000 Yeah, Peter's not happy that Ace is playing a lot of pinball for somebody. I keep forgetting who Curley is. By the way, Curly's not a character. 524 00:59:57.000 --> 01:00:08.000 It's. They do this in Kiss Meets the Fan of the Park. Ace likes to call everybody that. That's his sweetheart, you know. It's just. He just calls people Curly. That's bub. 525 01:00:08.000 --> 01:00:13.000 That's interesting. Okay, so that was all created by Steve Gerber as him? 526 01:00:13.000 --> 01:00:16.000 I think so. I mean, this predates that movie, so. 527 01:00:16.000 --> 01:00:23.000 Or it was created by the band with him. He's just like. I just like to call everybody curly. 528 01:00:23.000 --> 01:00:56.000 I will. Another little bit of behind the scenes about the movie. The screenwriters of Kiss, pizza fan of the park, sat down with each member of Kiss, trying to get their characters. Ace decided when they spent the day with him that he was never gonna speak. The entire time they hung out with him, he sat in silence and only responded to things with ack. Like a Mars Attack alien. And so they wrote him that way in the script. And then when he saw the final script, he was livid. It was like, what the fuck? I don't have any dialogue. It was a great production, just all around. 529 01:00:56.000 --> 01:00:59.000 Wow. Yeah. 530 01:00:59.000 --> 01:01:01.000 Nice guys. 531 01:01:01.000 --> 01:01:03.000 It was on np But I don't know if you're. 532 01:01:03.000 --> 01:01:08.000 Let's say you guys are hanging out at the arcade. You're playing some pinball, you know. Dan, you're boxing Greg out. 533 01:01:08.000 --> 01:01:09.000 Yeah. 534 01:01:09.000 --> 01:01:19.000 And one of your friends runs by and just tosses you this glowing box and was like, we gotta get outta here. Now are. Are you running with them or you're dropping that box? 535 01:01:19.000 --> 01:01:37.000 I would probably look at the box and be very confused. Just like when I was at the mall and tried to look at those pictures with the little symbols on them that were really supposed to be pictures. And I'd probably try to figure out what it was. And Greg would probably actually grab me and tell me that I need to go run somewhere because I'd be oblivious to that. 536 01:01:37.000 --> 01:01:38.000 We gotta go. 537 01:01:38.000 --> 01:01:46.000 In fact, Greg, I believe that's probably accurate to how real life was. It's like you would be like, dan, we need to go get to your car now. 538 01:01:46.000 --> 01:01:47.000 Yes, we need to leave. 539 01:01:47.000 --> 01:01:51.000 Which was a 1978 International Harvester Scout. 540 01:01:51.000 --> 01:01:53.000 Yeah. 541 01:01:53.000 --> 01:01:59.000 So, yes, that's probably what would happen. These guys all end up in a photo booth though, because they're running away from the mob. 542 01:01:59.000 --> 01:02:05.000 Yeah, well, there's a knife wielding gang coming after them. So they all clown car into the. 543 01:02:05.000 --> 01:02:36.000 Yeah, this guy's hair too. What is. With. What is the artist feeling about? First we get the guy with the tuft of hair on top and the beard and balding. And then we get the. This guy. He. We're working out these facial expressions too. Are. Are fantastic. So we get. Flip the page and they're all in a photo booth. The guy's about to get them with his stiletto knife, and then a bunch of other people have knives, and then they open the box and out come things. 544 01:02:36.000 --> 01:02:38.000 Oh, man. 545 01:02:38.000 --> 01:02:42.000 So, yeah, a star 546 01:02:42.000 --> 01:02:43.000 makes sense. 547 01:02:43.000 --> 01:02:46.000 Three voodoo dolls. 548 01:02:46.000 --> 01:02:52.000 Yeah, it's just sort of three Kiss Barbies and a star ninja star. 549 01:02:52.000 --> 01:02:58.000 Were they just too lazy to make one, Paul? Yeah. 550 01:02:58.000 --> 01:03:17.000 Like, what was the decision here? Like, pick one. It should have either been symbols for each person. Like, what would have been the. The what makes up their individual makeups? You know, you could have done like a silver and blue one that Ace has. You know, you do the, I don't know, a widow's peak or whatever for. For Jeeb and a little kitty cat face for Peter. 551 01:03:17.000 --> 01:03:20.000 And that would have made some sense. But instead we get. 552 01:03:20.000 --> 01:03:25.000 Well, they're totems, like wood carved Kiss members. 553 01:03:25.000 --> 01:03:31.000 So they all look kind of deaged too, when they're looking at them like children. 554 01:03:31.000 --> 01:03:32.000 They're little. 555 01:03:32.000 --> 01:03:35.000 Oh, my God, look at this toy. 556 01:03:35.000 --> 01:03:40.000 Oh, they should have Shazam this. Like, have it just like the alter egos for Kiss. 557 01:03:40.000 --> 01:03:46.000 Or like, oh, man, that have been hilarious. I don't want to do it. My dad says I don't want to be a paperboy. 558 01:03:46.000 --> 01:03:50.000 They ditched the scam. The next page turn into with a boom. 559 01:03:50.000 --> 01:03:53.000 It's true. We do kind of do that. 560 01:03:53.000 --> 01:04:01.000 They get the totems and they all transform into Kiss the band, but not really. 561 01:04:01.000 --> 01:04:07.000 And yeah, it's quite the appearance on these guys. Like, I have issues with Paul Stanley's jumpsuit. 562 01:04:07.000 --> 01:04:08.000 Really? 563 01:04:07.000 --> 01:04:10.000 His bodysuit. Hey, man,

kids are reading this. 564 01:04:10.000 --> 01:04:11.000 I, I. 565 01:04:11.000 --> 01:04:17.000 Because this dude is. This thing is. I mean, it looks, it looks sexy as hell. The dude's practically showing dick. 566 01:04:17.000 --> 01:04:18.000 Well, he has a codpiece. 567 01:04:18.000 --> 01:04:20.000 It's all the way. 568 01:04:20.000 --> 01:04:24.000 The codpiece is swinging from his crotch. It's not even over it. 569 01:04:24.000 --> 01:04:26.000 It's just attached to it. 570 01:04:26.000 --> 01:04:35.000 I mean, not that I noticed or anything, but I did notice that I believe Ace is the only one that doesn't have a COD piece. 571 01:04:35.000 --> 01:04:48.000 Well, yeah, it gets in the way up in space, you know, he's often in zero gravity, so his stuff's just kind of floating free. He is Ace Freely, after all. Like, you're not gonna, you're not gonna lock that up. 572 01:04:48.000 --> 01:04:50.000 Gosh, that's. That is a. 573 01:04:50.000 --> 01:04:54.000 It's Ace P. Freely. 574 01:04:54.000 --> 01:04:55.000 Astute. 575 01:04:55.000 --> 01:04:57.000 Now, let me ask you this, Danny. 576 01:04:57.000 --> 01:04:58.000 I don't know. Yeah. 577 01:04:58.000 --> 01:05:11.000 Now, I'm a fellow who also fancies the fellows along with the ladies. And you're a fellow who Fancies the fellows. What's your take on Paul Stanley? He's the only member of KISS that's supposed to be sexy. You know, like that, where. That's the. That's the product. 578 01:05:11.000 --> 01:05:15.000 Are we talking Paul Stanley now or Paul Stanley in 19? 579 01:05:15.000 --> 01:05:22.000 No, of course not Paul Stanley now. Jesus. But Paul Stanley in his prime, when he was. When he was fire on all. 580 01:05:22.000 --> 01:05:37.000 Well, I think, like, this version of Paul Stanley without the hair is. Is, you know, very twinkish. So I don't know how I feel about that. But, you know, the real Paul Stanley, you know, it's not so bad, I guess. 581 01:05:37.000 --> 01:05:38.000 Moments, right? 582 01:05:38.000 --> 01:05:39.000 Yeah, his moments. 583 01:05:39.000 --> 01:06:03.000 I mean, like, I showed. I showed the Paul Lynde Halloween special to my wife, and she had never seen Kiss young. She had only ever. She knew KISS to be old men in makeup. You know, he's like old men in clown makeup and body armor. And. And so seeing that, you know, seeing them in, like, 76, she was like, I think I want to Paul Stanley. And I said to her, we all want to Paul Stanley. 584 01:06:03.000 --> 01:06:08.000 I mean, just looking back, Peter looks very drugged out, always. 585 01:06:08.000 --> 01:06:09.000 That's. That's accurate. 586 01:06:09.000 --> 01:06:25.000 I. I found a. I found some. I found an artifact here. We can. We can show the audience probably the love gun. Well, Peter was much hairier. That's what I was trying to say. Than. Oh, in the. 587 01:06:25.000 --> 01:06:28.000 Than in this image of him. Yeah. 588 01:06:28.000 --> 01:06:31.000 You mean. You're talking about Paul, So Paul. 589 01:06:31.000 --> 01:06:34.000 I mean. Sorry, not Peter. 590 01:06:34.000 --> 01:06:36.000 Yeah, well, Peter's hairy, too. He is a cat. 591 01:06:36.000 --> 01:06:37.000 Yeah. 592 01:06:37.000 --> 01:06:38.000 So. 593 01:06:37.000 --> 01:06:38.000 So he's coming up. 594 01:06:38.000 --> 01:06:46.000 I can. Yeah. So I don't know if this will make it. I'll try to cut it back in, but. Oh, yeah. So as you can see. 595 01:06:46.000 --> 01:06:47.000 Yeah, yeah. 596 01:06:46.000 --> 01:06:57.000 Paul had much hairier furry man. And Ace, again, Just HP Freely. 597 01:06:57.000 --> 01:06:58.000 Once again. 598 01:06:58.000 --> 01:07:15.000 Yeah. And so. And Peter very drugged out, and Jean is. I. I mean, I don't know. It's probably wrong to say Jean's not an attractive human, but, you know, 599 01:07:15.000 --> 01:07:39.000 like, you know, I was watching a live performance where they were out of the makeup, and he had, like. He grew some facial hair. He didn't have the top knot, like a. Like Sergeant Kabuki man, you know? You know, And I guess I gotta say a youngish Gene Simmons just looking like a rock star. Not bad. Not bad. I'll give him that. But, you know, that went right off a cliff. 600 01:07:39.000 --> 01:07:49.000 Yeah, well, I mean, so, you know, in. In real life, we have Otter Paul Stanley, but in the comic we have Twink Paul Stanley. So you have to kind of just 601 01:07:49.000 --> 01:07:52.000 would have taken too much time to. To draw those chest hairs. 602 01:07:52.000 --> 01:08:01.000 That's probably. That could be true. Maybe he gets chest hair later. Maybe as the comic evolves, he gains chest hair because he grows into his Persona. 603 01:08:01.000 --> 01:08:04.000 It's his power. 604 01:08:04.000 --> 01:08:08.000 Just that, that rugged manliness just coming through. 605 01:08:08.000 --> 01:08:21.000 Well, we, we flip the page and Gene takes out everyone except for some guys that were going to attack him from behind. And Peter jumps in and gets him 606 01:08:21.000 --> 01:08:25.000 and he pounces like, like a jungle cat. 607 01:08:25.000 --> 01:09:02.000 So I'm learning more about the band here and what you've been teaching me. And now some of the dialogue makes more sense because Peter says, far thinks far out. Gene sounds like a cross between a bulldozer and a dinosaur, which definitely later in life, you know, that would be the equivalent of his singing voice. And then he says, but as usual, somebody's got to guard his rear flank. And it looks like I'm elected. So it does seem like there's already some dissension here in the comic in the band between Gene Paul on one side and Ace and Peter on the other side. 608 01:09:02.000 --> 01:09:12.000 I mean, that is kind of how it went down historically too. Eventually Ace and Peter quit the band, you know, and, and they only come back when you have a big enough truck full of money. 609 01:09:12.000 --> 01:09:15.000 What did they go on to do when they left the band? 610 01:09:15.000 -->

01:09:25.000 Yeah, solo projects just did their own things individually, you know. Ace Freely had a long career up until his death just performing as a solo guy. You just went and saw he knew that. 611 01:09:25.000 --> 01:09:26.000 So what happened, Peter? 612 01:09:26.000 --> 01:09:37.000 Yeah, I, I think he put out some stuff too. But like, nobody, nobody wants that. Like, that's okay. Like, how many songs, how many songs does Beth need, man? Knock it off. 613 01:09:37.000 --> 01:09:46.000 At least five. Peter had the, at one point had the best selling song for the band. Is that not accurate? 614 01:09:46.000 --> 01:10:09.000 Like, absolutely. No, it is accurate. Beth was probably their biggest hit, which baffles my mind because that was like a makeout song. I get it. You know, you like, you put on, you know, you put on Detroit Rock City to rock out and then you'd switch it over. You switched the tape over to Beth when you want to go park somewhere with your gal and. But I don't know. I don't understand. 615 01:10:09.000 --> 01:10:25.000 Well, Peter jumps on this man and says, naughty little rats. Putty tats got you. But I don't eat rats, so I'll let you go if you promise to scat. 616 01:10:25.000 --> 01:10:33.000 Now we're getting a little deeper into, into. We're getting into fetishes now. Like we're getting into Peter Pizza's kick. You promised to scat and I won't eat you. 617 01:10:33.000 --> 01:10:37.000 I. Yeah. 618 01:10:37.000 --> 01:10:45.000 I feel like sometimes. I feel like in this dialogue that Gerber was just entertaining himself. 619 01:10:45.000 --> 01:10:47.000 Oh, absolutely. 620 01:10:47.000 --> 01:11:01.000 And very much like Steve Gerber to do, too. Like, that is not against what he do. Do you see, like, down here on page 15 now in the background, all of a sudden? Well, no. He does acquire more hair. 621 01:11:01.000 --> 01:11:03.000 Yeah, it's growing. 622 01:11:03.000 --> 01:11:06.000 As it's growing as the comic is happening. 623 01:11:06.000 --> 01:11:20.000 It's like how the angrier Hulk gets. He gets a little bigger. Like, the torso hair just starts coming in. The more. The more shit's going down. It's as he's absorbing kinetic energy. He's, like, stronger. The more you hit him, the hairier he gets. 624 01:11:20.000 --> 01:11:24.000 In fact, you could probably just call him Guido. 625 01:11:24.000 --> 01:12:08.000 Absolutely. But this is maybe one of my favorite parts in this comic, though, this scene with Paul, because Paul gets to utilize his superpower. He blasts one of his assailants with an optic blast from his star eye. He stargazes him, and it's like the penance stare from Ghost Rider. And it reduces this man to a sobbing mess over the fact that Bruce Lee is no longer with us. What? This is an incredible superpower. Imagine Paul Stanley just turns and looks like at you and goes, I know you're sad about Bruce Lee. And you're like, I am. And then. And now you're just. You're a bubbling mess. Just. I can't believe

he's gone. 626 01:12:08.000 --> 01:12:11.000 And that's what the Star Power does. 627 01:12:11.000 --> 01:12:17.000 It's emotion. You know, he can amplify your emotions about things. He can see into your very soul. 628 01:12:17.000 --> 01:12:24.000 I sort of feel like the Star Power does whatever the writer wants it to do. And in this case, we have one writer until we get the movie. 629 01:12:24.000 --> 01:12:34.000 I mean, in Kiss meets the Phantom of the park, he shoots a beam and then dances down the beam like a. Like a hard light manifestation from a Green Lantern. 630 01:12:34.000 --> 01:12:41.000 Why have I never seen this? I know why I've never seen this movie, because I wouldn't have been allowed to see many reasons, but. 631 01:12:41.000 --> 01:12:42.000 Yeah. 632 01:12:41.000 --> 01:12:51.000 Well, the. The bad guy with no hair, with the. Wait, that has hair on the sides and hair in the middle. 633 01:12:51.000 --> 01:12:54.000 Spot of hair right on his. Like, right in the middle of his forehead. 634 01:12:54.000 --> 01:12:56.000 He's Charlie Brown is what he is. He just has. 635 01:12:56.000 --> 01:13:07.000 Yeah, yeah. Darkseid turns him. I mean, somebody turns him into a pile of ash when he doesn't accomplish his goals, so. Oh, my gosh. 636 01:13:07.000 --> 01:13:19.000 Yep. And that's after the members of Kiss get away via Teleportation. Because one of Ace Freely's powers is he does the little hitchhiker thumb. And when he does the hitchhiker thumb, he can teleport anywhere. 637 01:13:19.000 --> 01:13:30.000 Yeah, Ace's powers aren't really defined. He, like, makes force fields and he teleports. And I'm not really. But they're all. 638 01:13:30.000 --> 01:13:33.000 And in Kiss meets the Phantom of the park, he also has Palpatine force. 639 01:13:33.000 --> 01:13:35.000 Oh, wow. 640 01:13:35.000 --> 01:13:38.000 Like, they do the rotoscope, you know, coming out of his fingertips. 641 01:13:38.000 --> 01:13:44.000 They're apparently all defensive powers, though. He says that later. 642 01:13:44.000 --> 01:13:47.000 Yeah, he doesn't really go on the offense so much. 643 01:13:47.000 --> 01:13:53.000 He just hangs out in the back and bees Ace and then goes on to a solo career. 644 01:13:53.000 --> 01:14:00.000 Pretty much makes sense. He just keeps his head down. Except for that one time he electrocuted himself on stage. But, you know, bound to happen. 645 01:14:00.000 --> 01:14:08.000 Well, Paul continues to get more hair and they end up on a boat, and they see the Statue of Liberty and they're super happy. 646 01:14:08.000 --> 01:14:09.000 Damn it. 647 01:14:09.000 --> 01:14:16.000 Hold on a second, Dan. There's a boat. Bobby, you picked a book with a freaking. A boat. 648 01:14:16.000 --> 01:14:18.000 This is not bad. 649 01:14:18.000 --> 01:14:22.000 Every time, Bobby. Every time. Okay, continue. 650 01:14:22.000 --> 01:14:36.000 Well, they all have this conversation, and they mention. Ace mentions a matter on the moon. 651 01:14:36.000 --> 01:14:37.000 The matter of. 652 01:14:36.000 --> 01:14:39.000 Matter of the moon. Oh, yeah, we're getting. 653 01:14:39.000 --> 01:14:40.000 We're getting a Star wars. That's no more. 654 01:14:40.000 --> 01:14:43.000 I thought they were gonna get cheese. 655 01:14:43.000 --> 01:14:50.000 The moon's falling down, and as the moon falls down, it's really a spaceship or something. 656 01:14:50.000 --> 01:14:53.000 This moon splashes into the ocean like 657 01:14:53.000 --> 01:15:02.000 a hatch open, and then. And then out come the fembots. But, like, Latvarian fembot. 658 01:15:02.000 --> 01:15:05.000 A bunch of Latvarian baddies, man. 659 01:15:05.000 --> 01:15:06.000 Great, great. 660 01:15:05.000 --> 01:15:08.000 You'll notice hot Latvarian babes in your area. 661 01:15:08.000 --> 01:15:11.000 Notice how I didn't use the word I'm not supposed to use anymore. 662 01:15:11.000 --> 01:15:12.000 Good. Good on you. 663 01:15:12.000 --> 01:15:18.000 That's good. They, like. They're not even technically Romani. Like, they are Latterian. 664 01:15:18.000 --> 01:15:24.000 I love their. Yeah, yeah, they got a good look like that. 665 01:15:24.000 --> 01:15:29.000 Like that giant Monster fighting robot. Lat Varian danger from Pacific Rip danger. 666 01:15:29.000 --> 01:15:32.000 Yes, exactly. 667 01:15:32.000 --> 01:15:40.000 Well, Dr. Doom appears with his fembots, and they're throwing rose petals everywhere. 668 01:15:40.000 --> 01:15:46.000 This is awesome. He's entering like a cartoon pimp. 669 01:15:46.000 --> 01:15:57.000 Well, he comes in and he gets to tell us the whole box of KISS story, but spelled A, H, Y, S, C, Z. 670 01:15:57.000 --> 01:16:02.000 Yeah, yeah. This is basically kid, you know, kiss's origin story pretty much every. 671 01:16:02.000 --> 01:16:06.000 Yeah, and it's like a spelling for every baseball player for the brewers in the 80s. 672 01:16:06.000 --> 01:16:07.000 So. 673 01:16:07.000 --> 01:16:10.000 Yeah, there's there's always a guy named Kids. 674 01:16:10.000 --> 01:16:36.000 It's always like a left handed reliever. So we got. He says the box of Kiss was among the implements of it. Says it. So I'm going to read it. Greg. Gypsy sorcery, which I was to have inherited upon my mother's death. Now, does this box show up anywhere else in comics? Is this new? 675 01:16:36.000 --> 01:16:49.000 Not in the comics. This should have been one of those artifacts. This should have been. You know, Odin should have had this in his, in his room with all the, with the Infinity Gauntlet and the Tesseract. But he has a concert. 676 01:16:49.000 --> 01:16:53.000 Whenever he opens it up, it's like, I'm sorry, boys. They. 677 01:16:53.000 --> 01:17:37.000 They do tonight, they do have the box in Kiss meets the Phantom of the Park. The Box of Kish exists. We don't talk about its background at all. And, and they just have four. Four. What's the word I'm looking for? They're not totems and they're not symbols. They're. They have.

Basically they have like four little discs sort of. They each, they each have a little talisman. That's the word I was looking for. They refer to it as talismans that contain their powers. But they don't. They don't bring up the fact that these powers and everything that makes them the band Kiss is canonically due to Dr. Doom's mom. 678 01:17:37.000 --> 01:17:48.000 I mean, that's fantastic. I mean, you think about. And, and also Gene is infatuated with Dr. Doom. He is down at the bottom of the page. 679 01:17:48.000 --> 01:17:49.000 He likes a powerful man. 680 01:17:49.000 --> 01:18:12.000 He's like, I can anticipate where this is leading directly to Latveria and our eternal subjugation by Dr. Doom. No human being since Hitler has understood the psychology of power as Doom does. But much as I'd like to study at his feet, I don't think I'd get off on licking his. Like Hitler, but he likes to lick boots. Boys gotta fight on her. 681 01:18:12.000 --> 01:18:13.000 Only his own. 682 01:18:13.000 --> 01:18:25.000 He's thinking. So Gene, true to real life, wants to study a master manipulator of media and people. 683 01:18:25.000 --> 01:18:31.000 Yeah, he likes the cut of this Jib dude. He was just like, no, this guy gets it. He took one look at Dr. Doom like, this guy. 684 01:18:31.000 --> 01:18:42.000 So why did Gene and the 2000s think his reinvention as a standard singer was going to work? 685 01:18:42.000 --> 01:18:53.000 I mean, it worked so well for, you know, David Lee Roth. You know, Dan Zig was able to bust out some old stuff. He's like, I got to do with that. That seems to be working. Those albums are selling Real well. Right, guys? 686 01:18:53.000 --> 01:19:02.000 Yeah, guys. Everybody wanted to see Gene Simmons do the standards. 687 01:19:02.000 --> 01:19:24.000 What I'm wondering is. All right, so Dr. Doom's mom created the. The. The box of kids that turns you into the hottest band in the world. It was meant for Victor. So had Victor not gone through the accident, which member of KISS was he supposed to be? Is Victor supposed to be the Star Child? 688 01:19:24.000 --> 01:19:27.000 What if there was a fifth member and we just didn't know? What if he what? 689 01:19:27.000 --> 01:19:38.000 Well, there was. I mean, there are six KISS Personas. People don't realize that. Not a lot of people know that there's more than four. Yeah. In the 80s, there was a. There's a fox. 690 01:19:38.000 --> 01:19:40.000 A fox? 691 01:19:40.000 --> 01:19:47.000 Yeah. Drummer Eric Carr became a fox. And then guitarist Vinnie Vincent created a character called the Ankh Warrior. 692 01:19:47.000 --> 01:19:49.000 The Ankh Warrior. 693 01:19:49.000 --> 01:20:08.000 It just has a big gold ankh on his forehead. That was when, you know, they went unmasked. They took off the makeup. Everyone hated that. They put the makeup back on. And the guitarist and drummer they had at the time were like, well, we are not going to just dress up as Ace and Peter. So we need to create our own Persona. So I'm not a kitty cat, I'm a fox. 694 01:20:08.000 --> 01:20:09.000 Oh. 695 01:20:09.000 --> 01:20:16.000 And then. And then Vinnie Vincent's like, and I'm an encore. They're like, what's an encore? He said, don't worry about. It's going to be. 696 01:20:16.000 --> 01:20:22.000 It makes sense. I mean, ancient Egypt with demons and star children. Makes total sense. 697 01:20:22.000 --> 01:20:26.000 Oh, there's our boy. The encore. 698 01:20:26.000 --> 01:20:30.000 Ah, that's. That's a. That's a choice. 699 01:20:30.000 --> 01:20:31.000 Yeah. 700 01:20:31.000 --> 01:20:35.000 Certainly a choice. 701 01:20:35.000 --> 01:20:48.000 Yeah. I mean, you know, it fits. Yeah. Well, they take out the fembots here and melt them and stuff. 702 01:20:48.000 --> 01:20:57.000 Yeah. The second we even imply that these might not. These might be killer robots. Jean's like, good enough for me and starts breathing fire all over. 703 01:20:57.000 --> 01:21:06.000 And then Dr. Doom, like, takes them out kind of by flying away, 704 01:21:06.000 --> 01:21:07.000 like a. 705 01:21:07.000 --> 01:21:12.000 Right. He takes him out by being defeated because. 706 01:21:12.000 --> 01:21:15.000 But that's when we discover that Gene can also fly. 707 01:21:15.000 --> 01:21:24.000 Yeah. And Ace then, like teleports them again, but into, like the negative zone. 708 01:21:24.000 --> 01:21:30.000 Yeah. We get this big two page splash of them just sort of, you know, freely floating through space. 709 01:21:30.000 --> 01:21:32.000 I see what you did there. 710 01:21:32.000 --> 01:21:34.000 Yeah. 711 01:21:34.000 --> 01:21:36.000 And then what. 712 01:21:36.000 --> 01:21:50.000 And this angle on Paul, though, like, what were we going for there? We got a nipple looking like a pepperoni on his chest. He is spread eagle, just taint forward. 713 01:21:50.000 --> 01:21:55.000 I don't know who was. Was it still Alan drawing at this point? 714 01:21:55.000 --> 01:21:59.000 I don't know. The art looks different in this splash. I feel like this was one of the other artists. 715 01:21:59.000 --> 01:22:24.000 Not after this, but. Well, we flipped the page and we find out that J. Jonah Jameson is really upset. He did that he doesn't have pictures of Dr. Doom and that the other newspaper does. And then. So we get a Spider man cameo, and then we get a Fantastic Four cameo. And this is sort of our trip 716 01:22:24.000 --> 01:22:26.000 around the Marvel universe. 717 01:22:26.000 --> 01:22:30.000 For people who aren't familiar, who are these guys? 718 01:22:30.000 --> 01:22:33.000 It's just the whole Marvel universe going like, what the fuck's Kiss? 719 01:22:33.000 --> 01:22:48.000 We get an Avengers cameo where they feature Steve Gerber's favorite avenger, the Beast. Yeah. And the. And the person that hits women as the two Avengers. They feature here. 720 01:22:48.000 --> 01:22:49.000 Yes. 721 01:22:49.000 --> 01:22:56.000 You got to think like, yeah, Hank Pim's got to be

like, I love this guy. Like, Kiss is awesome. 722 01:22:56.000 --> 01:23:06.000 And then we get the Defenders, because that's Steve Gerber's book. And this is where we meet Dizzy the Viking. 723 01:23:06.000 --> 01:23:18.000 Yeah. That's where we finally get to figure out who this guy is. The weird street man in the. With the socks pulled up to his knees and his bare midriff and his hairy underpants is a. An associate of Dr. 724 01:23:18.000 --> 01:23:19.000 Strange. 725 01:23:19.000 --> 01:23:22.000 I'm telling you, Dan, this is your next cosplay. 726 01:23:22.000 --> 01:23:24.000 And in a line that doesn't. 727 01:23:24.000 --> 01:23:26.000 Where was this guy in Multiverse of Madness? 728 01:23:26.000 --> 01:23:29.000 Yeah, he would. He. He should be there. 729 01:23:29.000 --> 01:23:37.000 In a line that doesn't hold up well. Hulk says no. He doesn't want to support them. Let the white faces fight their own fight. 730 01:23:37.000 --> 01:23:40.000 You know what crop that. We're using that all over the place. 731 01:23:40.000 --> 01:23:49.000 I'll see if I can get that onto the. I probably should put Kiss in the graphic, but that would be interesting. 732 01:23:49.000 --> 01:23:57.000 You gotta imagine. And Daredevil's there with the Defenders. You gotta imagine. He's like, they look like what? Someone described this to me real quick. 733 01:23:57.000 --> 01:24:02.000 A what? A what? A what? A what? 734 01:24:02.000 --> 01:24:20.000 Imagine. That's a good point. Imagine seeing Kiss for the very first time. Like, if you. If you teleported. You hitchhiker. Thumbed yourself into a Kiss show. You've never seen these guys before. You're looking at Paul Stanley. You're trying to make sense of this. The star over the eye. He's this sort of kabuki drag. 735 01:24:20.000 --> 01:24:24.000 Why Son of Satan might be taking notes now. 736 01:24:24.000 --> 01:24:40.000 He's. He's probably feeling it. But then, you know, you see Paul. And then you look, you know, and to his right is a demon. To his left is a space man. Behind him is a cat playing the drums. 737 01:24:40.000 --> 01:24:41.000 It's A lot. 738 01:24:41.000 --> 01:24:42.000 I'd feel like Daredevil. 739 01:24:42.000 --> 01:24:44.000 Yeah. You know what? 740 01:24:44.000 --> 01:24:47.000 Someone explained this to me. What the hell? 741 01:24:47.000 --> 01:24:48.000 I mean, it's. 742 01:24:48.000 --> 01:24:49.000 What did you put him in? 743 01:24:49.000 --> 01:24:52.000 Drugs? 744 01:24:52.000 --> 01:24:54.000 You spiked my drugs? 745 01:24:54.000 --> 01:25:06.000 Well, we find out that doctor Strange is very happy that nobody else is interfering and just says they all have to survive on their own to screw them. And we'll hang out here. Hulk is right. 746 01:25:06.000 --> 01:25:11.000 Incredible. The Marvel Universe all got together and went, man, these guys die. They die. 747 01:25:11.000 --> 01:25:21.000 Well. And the reason they said these guys, they die is for the next three pages, I have to see

blood being drawn. And I take it. 748 01:25:21.000 --> 01:25:23.000 Are you a bit of a hemophil? 749 01:25:23.000 --> 01:25:36.000 I am not a big fan. I am told by the people that draw my blood every quarter that I am their best patient because I go in and I look the other way, and I just let them do their thing, and we chat for a minute, and then I leave. 750 01:25:36.000 --> 01:25:37.000 That makes sense. 751 01:25:37.000 --> 01:27:02.000 So they say I'm a great patient, but yes, I. I mean, that's really what they want. I once had a situation where I was working and Greg was not there, but he remembers this situation. I was working in the student activities office at my college, and I was working there in the summer. And the geniuses in the parking lot built a T right for a handicap parking spot and put the sign on one part of the T and put the other part of the T into an island with plants. And so it was white and the sun was shining on it, and they painted it white. They didn't plant it yellow or anything. And this woman walks square into it and breaks her nose. So she comes into the. Nobody's there because it's summertime. So she, like, bleeds all the way through the student center, walking through, and then comes into our office, and she's covered in blood. Our athletic assist, our assistant athletic director, slash the secretary for athletics, is the toughest. One of the toughest people I've ever met. Basically almost passes out seeing all this. I'm the only other one there. I take care of the person, get everything situated and fine up to that point. We get her sent off to the hospital. Somebody else took her. I then see the blood on the ground and go throw up. 752 01:27:02.000 --> 01:27:03.000 Oh, no. 753 01:27:03.000 --> 01:27:22.000 So it wasn't until I saw the blood all over the ground and realized what was happening, but my whole body, like, went into fix it mode, and then I saw the blood on the ground, and I went and threw up. So, yeah, damn, I would say. But blood and wrestling never really bugged me that much unless I'm there. 754 01:27:22.000 --> 01:27:28.000 Okay, yeah, that's a little different. I went to a death match and I was like, yeah, this feels different. 755 01:27:28.000 --> 01:27:29.000 Yeah, that TV's one thing. 756 01:27:29.000 --> 01:27:33.000 Like, see it again. They had to. They had to stop that show because of an amendment. 757 01:27:33.000 --> 01:27:40.000 I do not like the main event. It was like, I do not like watching the death matches on. Even on tv. I will say that. Like, that's, that's. 758 01:27:40.000 --> 01:27:53.000 I'm not a death match. For me, it doesn't. Like, I don't mind a hard way in an old wrestling match. Like, that's kind of cool when, like, you know, your forehead got busted open or whatever. But like when a dude's getting caught up with like a broken fluorescent light 759 01:27:53.000 --> 01:27:58.000 tube or something, like the classic mask and you know all that. 760 01:27:58.000 --> 01:28:00.000 Oh, yeah, the I equipment, fine. 761 01:28:00.000 --> 01:28:12.000 But it's also leading to something and they're telling a story. So you're thinking about it here. At least Kiss was telling a story, so I was thinking about the story and reading the text. So nice little interlude. 762 01:28:12.000 --> 01:28:13.000 So that wasn't too bad. 763 01:28:13.000 --> 01:28:34.000 The best thing in this entire comic is the page like his story. And I don't know how Gerber got permission to do this. And it doesn't really fit anywhere and it doesn't really help advertise Marvel Comics or anything, but we get an advertisement for Air Latveria. 764 01:28:34.000 --> 01:28:35.000 It's pretty great. 765 01:28:35.000 --> 01:28:42.000 This is what to your point, Greg? This feels like MAD magazine little one pager just with a gag. 766 01:28:42.000 --> 01:30:12.000 And it refuses real life events too, because it says. At last, the Carter administration has lifted all restrictions on foreign travel, and Americans can once again visit the tiny kingdom known for centuries as the jewel of the Balkans. Latveria, land of enchantment. Latveria, where the smell of incense and this spell of gypsy magic is so pervade the atmosphere you can almost feel your skin crawl. Latveria, by day, stole her quaint cobblestone streets. Visit the shops where skilled craftsmen still manufacture watches, cabinetry, and sub miniature ruby lasers by hand. By night, prowl her back alleys. You really haven't lived until you spent an evening for two in a Latveria bistro, sipping aphrodisiac potions and tapping your toe to the blues improvisation of the Black Forest five, in which your sports enthusiasts will find Latveria a wonderland. Skiing, skating, tobogganing, and of course, the famous outdoor robot gladiator matches Latveria, where there's no solution, no crime, and no politics by decree of the government. Latveria Air Latveria has more flights to this Magic Kingdom than any other airline. In fact, we're specialists. We only fly to Laveria. Let us spirit you away. Midnight flights from JFK, LaGuardia and Newark nightly. Liberal discounts on advanced bookings, charter flights and excursions. And don't forget to ask about our special plan for defectors. 767 01:30:12.000 --> 01:30:16.000 I got me honest with you, Dan. I'm going to ask about the special plan. 768 01:30:16.000 --> 01:30:20.000 I'm ready. I mean, I think going to a place with no politics right now would be. 769 01:30:20.000 --> 01:30:23.000 It seems like a dream. 770 01:30:23.000 --> 01:30:33.000 I'll take. Do you know what he, he, he seems to have, you know, he keeps his shit together because he needs to prove to the rest of the world that like, well, look how well I handle that area. I should rule the world. 771 01:30:33.000 --> 01:30:34.000 Fair. 772 01:30:33.000 --> 01:30:34.000 Doom. 773 01:30:34.000 --> 01:30:40.000 You know, I feel that way about, you know, him and Black Adam, like both of those guys, like, you

know what, they run a tight ship and, you know, it pays off. 774 01:30:40.000 --> 01:30:46.000 Yeah. Doom. As consistent as Barry Sanders. As Bernie Sanders, not Barry. 775 01:30:46.000 --> 01:30:53.000 As consistent as Barry Sanders. Let's talk about that. Is that, let's talk about career stats. 776 01:30:53.000 --> 01:31:01.000 I would say they're evenly matched, guys. Evenly matched. I mean, no, Dan. 777 01:31:01.000 --> 01:31:10.000 Barry Sanders. Yeah. We get a Kiss concert picture. It's not a good one. 778 01:31:10.000 --> 01:31:30.000 Yeah, well, that's an odd choice. Right? We get a big two pager of a blurry picture of Kiss on stage. Really, really focusing on the, the SS stylization in the Kiss logo. Once again, talking about Gene's admiration for powerful dictators. 779 01:31:30.000 --> 01:31:44.000 Yeah, he, he seems to like them. And then says they're bad and then says they're great again. Yeah, he likes to know that. Then, then we can't talk about it. Well, we get more stories about Kiss here and then we get back. 780 01:31:44.000 --> 01:31:47.000 In case you're a Marvel fan who's coming here not knowing what Kiss is. 781 01:31:47.000 --> 01:31:49.000 Kiss discography fair. 782 01:31:49.000 --> 01:31:50.000 Yeah. 783 01:31:50.000 --> 01:32:07.000 Casablanca, Hotter Than Hell, Dressed to Kill, Alive. Destroyer, the one everybody should know, the originals, Rock and Roll Over. Casablanca, Rock and Roll over is the album. 784 01:32:07.000 --> 01:32:40.000 Casablanca is the record label. I will say as a still ironic asterisk, KISS fan. There's really only four albums you need like the, the original self titled album, Love Gun, Destroyer and Alive. Like do not venture past that quick. There's a couple singles you like. You'll get. I Was Made for Loving you. You'll get, you know, War Machine, things like that. Don't listen to the rest of those albums, like listen to those singles. But really as far as albums you need to have, like, that's the Bakes. 785 01:32:40.000 --> 01:32:42.000 Everything else is. 786 01:32:42.000 --> 01:32:55.000 Yeah, well, we get the Kiss Backstage scrapbook order. You can order that for $1. You get 130 photos for your favorite rock stars. 787 01:32:55.000 --> 01:32:58.000 Like, you can put a picture of Patti Smith on your bedroom wall. 788 01:32:58.000 --> 01:33:19.000 Wow, that would be great. And you can do this if you just send it to Rock Scene Department, M Four Seasons Publications, Farwood Road, Battery C, Battery C06. 789 01:33:19.000 --> 01:33:20.000 I think we gotta try this out. 790 01:33:20.000 --> 01:33:23.000 There's no state here and I'm suspect. 791 01:33:23.000 --> 01:33:29.000 Oh, man, I'm not getting anything. Every time I send this off, I just get nothing. 792 01:33:29.000 --> 01:33:39.000 You know, I think it's Connecticut. I think it's ct. Yeah, I'm a mailman, so I. I know how dresses, guys. Right there. That's got to be the. The code for Connecticut. 793 01:33:39.000 --> 01:33:40.000 Bethany.

794 01:33:40.000 --> 01:33:42.000 Bethany, Connecticut. 795 01:33:42.000 --> 01:33:45.000 That makes sense. Scared. 796 01:33:45.000 --> 01:33:52.000 That seems like a high. Oh, no, That's a low zip code. 06525. Yeah. 797 01:33:52.000 --> 01:33:54.000 Over here on the west coast, we're all great. 798 01:33:54.000 --> 01:33:56.000 Fly, fly, fly back and take care of this for us. 799 01:33:56.000 --> 01:34:14.000 Okay, well, when I. When I don't go to your birthday in Las Vegas and I go to the wedding for one of my cousins, I got to pick because now they're both getting married at some point next year, I got to pick which one I will. And that's a terrible thing. Do I get. Do I go to the older one or the younger one? 800 01:34:14.000 --> 01:34:26.000 Or do you go to my birthday in Las Vegas, which seems like the obvious choice. What will be more fun? 801 01:34:26.000 --> 01:34:31.000 Picking up backstage scrapbook pictures from. 802 01:34:31.000 --> 01:34:34.000 No, you keep getting. Getting hot kiss picks. 803 01:34:34.000 --> 01:34:41.000 Well, we get chapter two, and we get Kiss in heaven. 804 01:34:41.000 --> 01:34:54.000 And I gotta tell you, this is. This is troubling because Paul Stanley is ready to besmirch heaven with his food. He is. He is raring to go. He has arrived in the Lord's paradise with a turgent fellas. 805 01:34:54.000 --> 01:35:02.000 And. And we get John Busima art, which means that the art suddenly takes a incredible upturn. 806 01:35:02.000 --> 01:35:04.000 It looks so good, honestly. 807 01:35:04.000 --> 01:35:08.000 We have the same inker. Al Milgram inks all of it, but, 808 01:35:08.000 --> 01:35:10.000 like, now we're in some proper Bronze Age Marvel, man. 809 01:35:10.000 --> 01:35:40.000 Well, it's interesting. They get Al Ingram to. Or Al Mogram to ink the whole thing too, because they get one of the best inkers in the business inking the entire book. Yeah. So there are cherubs, there's an angel, hot women. Yeah, they are all over Paul, like you said. I don't know. Oh, it's just Paul. Sorry. It's just Paul. And. 810 01:35:40.000 --> 01:35:44.000 And because Gene's not feeling this. Gene is. Gene's suspicious of the whole. 811 01:35:44.000 --> 01:35:49.000 And then the cherubs start shooting him with arrows at the direction of the angel. 812 01:35:49.000 --> 01:35:50.000 Like Boromir. 813 01:35:50.000 --> 01:35:59.000 Yeah. And he's got arrows sticking out of him. Yeah, it's. Yeah, it is like. Well, he lives. So the. 814 01:35:59.000 --> 01:36:12.000 But like, he breathes fire on these cherubs. We get an amazing panel. It's just a close up of Paul Stanley's shocked, twisted face. And he says, gene, no, man, even for you, this is a dulo blasting Jared. 815 01:36:12.000 --> 01:36:20.000 I mean, and then they turn into giant, green flying demon things. 816 01:36:20.000 --> 01:36:22.000 They look like dogs. 817 01:36:22.000 --> 01:36:26.000 Isn't there, like, a purple gargoyle guy from the Fantastic Four that these guys 818 01:36:26.000 --> 01:36:30.000 look kind of look like? Yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe. 819 01:36:30.000 --> 01:36:35.000 But, yeah, it's. It's very. It's getting rainy in here now. We're getting, like, stop motion guys showing up. 820 01:36:35.000 --> 01:36:51.000 Well, and then we get Mephisto. We get a bunch of Kirby Crackle because he shoots angel and then tons of Kirby Crackle. I mean, a whole square of Kirby Crackle. And then Mephisto shows up because we've had Son of Satan in the book already. Right. And. 821 01:36:51.000 --> 01:36:57.000 And, I mean, you know, this is one of those ideas they had. Initially, putting this together is like, we need Gene to fight Mephisto. 822 01:36:57.000 --> 01:37:03.000 Yeah. And then they don't really do it. They just leave. 823 01:37:03.000 --> 01:37:05.000 Well, I mean, Gene's boots come to. 824 01:37:05.000 --> 01:37:06.000 That is true. 825 01:37:06.000 --> 01:37:18.000 His. His dragon. His kinky boots that he wears with the dragon heads on the toes. They come on. You get to see him without him. We get to see Gene in just, like, his long tights because they fly off of his body and they start chomping at Mephisto. 826 01:37:18.000 --> 01:37:21.000 Yeah. And. 827 01:37:21.000 --> 01:37:30.000 And the hag ladies get shot by the star eye. It has another power. Apparently. It disintegrates demons. 828 01:37:30.000 --> 01:37:35.000 It turns you into little slug monsters. He should have tried telling him, Bruce. 829 01:37:35.000 --> 01:37:39.000 That would work. Maybe you think? Yeah. 830 01:37:39.000 --> 01:37:40.000 And then. 831 01:37:40.000 --> 01:37:44.000 I know you hag ladies miss Bruce Lee, too. 832 01:37:44.000 --> 01:37:56.000 She catches up to you. Mephisto grabs him. And then Mephisto sends them away. He's like, be gone. I don't want to deal with you guys. 833 01:37:56.000 --> 01:37:59.000 Yeah. He's like. You guys are irritated. Get the out of here. 834 01:37:59.000 --> 01:38:03.000 This is the vibe. The. 835 01:38:03.000 --> 01:38:09.000 Are these guys yet again a Marvel character going, yeah. 836 01:38:09.000 --> 01:38:25.000 And then we get to chapter three, once again drawn by Alan Weiss. The art quality goes substantially down. That's the problem with putting John Bushima to go draw part of the book. Right. Because then, like, you are carrying the. 837 01:38:25.000 --> 01:38:31.000 We just need you to draw five pages, John. Yeah, Just five pages, please. Just up, up. 838 01:38:31.000 --> 01:38:33.000 The book chapter. 839 01:38:33.000 --> 01:38:34.000 But what a pig. 840 01:38:34.000 --> 01:38:45.000 Chapter three, the Andromeda Hustle. So the cat and Ace show up, and they're at a furry bar. 841 01:38:45.000 --> 01:38:48.000 An intergalactic furry bar. 842 01:38:48.000 --> 01:38:52.000 And yeah, Peter is now among his people. 843 01:38:52.000 --> 01:38:56.000 Ace has to wingman for Peter. 844 01:38:56.000 --> 01:39:03.000 Furry computer, like on a asteroid club. 845 01:39:03.000 --> 01:39:04.000

Looks pretty cool, man. 846 01:39:04.000 --> 01:39:07.000 I think I see Travis Webb in the background. 847 01:39:07.000 --> 01:39:16.000 Yeah, he looks like he's back there. He's like, wait a minute. I got this idea, guys. Hold on. Space cats. Holy. 848 01:39:16.000 --> 01:39:29.000 I mean, you know what's interesting is that I imagine a young Travis read this book about space cats and then later put pirate space cats into a book that he wrote later. 849 01:39:29.000 --> 01:39:31.000 Yeah, yeah, exactly. 850 01:39:31.000 --> 01:39:41.000 Completely stealing. Right from the Kiss comic. He did. Yeah. I mean, kind of offensive. Greg, when you all just steal stuff directly from other comics. 851 01:39:41.000 --> 01:39:43.000 Didn't steal it from another comic. We just. 852 01:39:43.000 --> 01:39:44.000 He, He. 853 01:39:44.000 --> 01:39:52.000 He saw this and he's paying homage to it, you hack. 854 01:39:52.000 --> 01:39:53.000 I'm calling it out. 855 01:39:52.000 --> 01:39:57.000 Hey, Travis wrote it. I just massaged the story a bit. 856 01:39:57.000 --> 01:40:04.000 You know, it'd be interesting if Travis was on Grindhouse. Grind Bin reviewing or Grind. 857 01:40:04.000 --> 01:40:07.000 Sorry, no, it's a different show called Grindhouse. Don't. I'm not worried about it. 858 01:40:07.000 --> 01:40:11.000 Oh, we don't want Travis on there. 859 01:40:11.000 --> 01:40:13.000 I. I don't know. I haven't heard that show. 860 01:40:13.000 --> 01:40:19.000 But if the Grind Bin podcast reviewed, say, Nemesis. 861 01:40:19.000 --> 01:40:20.000 Oh, already been done. 862 01:40:20.000 --> 01:40:33.000 You know, we actually might be doing Nemesis at some point. We've done a bunch. Nemesis is a show. We haven't done the show as a show I want. As something I want to do. But we've done some of his even lesser known stuff. We've done two or three. 863 01:40:33.000 --> 01:40:43.000 Well, you know that Travis has the rights to create from Nemesis. And, you know, do you know that he has a Kickstarter coming soon? 864 01:40:43.000 --> 01:40:49.000 I do, actually, because you know what? The episode isn't out yet, but Greg plugged it on our show. 865 01:40:49.000 --> 01:41:08.000 Oh, well, that's fantastic, because we like to plug this Kickstarter on, you know, Kickstarter on the show too. And did you know he's got a whole Kickstarter? It's called Nemesis the Return of Kiss as cyborgs. Hell, yeah. 866 01:41:08.000 --> 01:41:14.000 You know, that's not too far off from the movie you haven't seen. 867 01:41:14.000 --> 01:41:15.000 Which movie? 868 01:41:15.000 --> 01:41:19.000 The. The one that you haven't seen about the roller coaster. 869 01:41:19.000 --> 01:41:21.000 Oh, the Kiss in the roller coaster 870 01:41:21.000 --> 01:41:25.000 or Cyborgs Kiss on the cyborg roller coaster. 871 01:41:25.000 --> 01:41:27.000 Kiss meets the Phantom of the Park With. 872 01:41:27.000 --> 01:41:28.000 With. 873 01:41:28.000 --> 01:41:32.000 Does involve. Does involve robot. 874 01:41:32.000 --> 01:41:35.000 Wait, because they're their Nemesis. 875 01:41:35.000 --> 01:41:36.000 Ah. 876 01:41:36.000 --> 01:41:39.000 Their nemesis creates robot Kiss to take 877 01:41:39.000 --> 01:41:48.000 the place that covers that plug. Because Travis will very be very happy that we covered the, the new launch of the thing that might happen someday. 878 01:41:48.000 --> 01:41:53.000 And, and Travis, being a Juggalo, loves Kiss. 879 01:41:53.000 --> 01:41:54.000 Whoop, whoop. 880 01:41:54.000 --> 01:41:58.000 Didn't you tell me the Juggalos went to the dark side? 881 01:41:58.000 --> 01:41:59.000 I didn't know. 882 01:41:59.000 --> 01:42:04.000 Juggalos worship Darkseid, aren't they, Aren't they like Republicans or something? 883 01:42:04.000 --> 01:42:05.000 No. 884 01:42:05.000 --> 01:42:11.000 Oh, absolutely not. I might actually. Surprisingly progressive. 885 01:42:11.000 --> 01:42:15.000 The, the jugglers, the Juggalos, or the clowns? 886 01:42:15.000 --> 01:42:36.000 Well, I mean, I, I can't speak to all Juggalos. I know that the clowns denounce any, any, any weirdo right wingers in their, in their club. So it's. I think we just got a situation. If you have a right wing Juggalo. I think it's just another person who didn't understand Fight club. I know you have another person who doesn't get, you know, it's one of those, like, I don't really know what these guys stand for. 887 01:42:36.000 --> 01:42:48.000 I just, like, I believe at some point on this podcast in his history, Greg convinced me on the podcast, probably because he was being a jerk, that the miracle song wasn't ironic and they actually meant it. 888 01:42:48.000 --> 01:42:53.000 Oh, I, I, I had said that they're, that they grew up evangelical. 889 01:42:53.000 --> 01:42:57.000 Yeah, but the miracle song. Ironic, right? 890 01:42:57.000 --> 01:43:01.000 No, they don't understand how magic works or how magnets work. 891 01:43:01.000 --> 01:43:02.000 Magnets. 892 01:43:02.000 --> 01:43:04.000 Magnets are magic, Dan. 893 01:43:04.000 --> 01:43:06.000 Like the miracles. Like the tides. 894 01:43:06.000 --> 01:43:10.000 Yes, exactly. And, and why do you eat tide pods? 895 01:43:10.000 --> 01:43:17.000 Yeah, I thought that song was ironic. I thought they were making fun of the right. 896 01:43:17.000 --> 01:43:21.000 They, they believe everyone should have rights. 897 01:43:21.000 --> 01:43:29.000 See, there's a difference between not understanding science and being anti science. They're pro science. They just have no clue how. 898 01:43:29.000 --> 01:43:32.000 Well, they have face paint, so it's a mirror. We're talking about them right now. 899 01:43:32.000 --> 01:43:34.000 Yeah. 900 01:43:34.000 --> 01:43:37.000 Essentially tradition. 901 01:43:37.000 --> 01:43:40.000 Kiss is just early Juggalos. 902 01:43:40.000 --> 01:43:41.000 Yeah. 903 01:43:41.000 --> 01:44:02.000 In fact, there is a, there is an ICP song. And I'm not a Juggalo. I'm just a worldly man who knows a little

bit about a lot of things. But at one point, Violent J does call out Kiss in the early 2000s, where he says, gene Simmons, you make me sick. Psycho circus, you stole my. 904 01:44:02.000 --> 01:44:04.000 So what if. 905 01:44:04.000 --> 01:44:06.000 Still waiting on a response. 906 01:44:06.000 --> 01:44:07.000 Be waiting for a while. 907 01:44:07.000 --> 01:44:15.000 But what if the Kiss demon had wrestled the insane clown? 908 01:44:15.000 --> 01:44:28.000 Did. I mean, they were around pretty close time. Did that ever. Did that cross over? You know, when, when the misfits were there and the insane clown Posse were there. There were a lot of dudes in face paint, man. Buddha came back. 909 01:44:28.000 --> 01:44:39.000 It was, it was Clown posse, I think. Spent more time in WWEF with the Go the Odyssey 910 01:44:39.000 --> 01:44:43.000 Earthquake performing a humiliation. 911 01:44:43.000 --> 01:44:48.000 The only real athlete in the whole federation at the time, I believe. 912 01:44:48.000 --> 01:44:51.000 Yeah, maybe legitimate Sumo ABC Blackman. 913 01:44:51.000 --> 01:44:59.000 But yeah, he was a real deal. Well around too. Yeah. So I guess Shamrock was real. 914 01:44:59.000 --> 01:45:00.000 So we had a handful. 915 01:45:00.000 --> 01:45:02.000 But it's like when you find out 916 01:45:02.000 --> 01:45:04.000 that Bad News Brown was like a 917 01:45:04.000 --> 01:45:12.000 Olympic level judoku, like. Yeah, it's, it's kind of. Well, when you find out that like John Tento was a high level like 918 01:45:12.000 --> 01:45:22.000 sumo guy, school wrestler, crazy like champion. And then he. And you look at his career, it's like this week I'm a shark running around. 919 01:45:22.000 --> 01:45:30.000 The WCW Live thing was running that whole fall brawl with the, the terrible fall brawl with the Dungeon of Doom versus Hell. 920 01:45:30.000 --> 01:45:40.000 Yes. God awful, man. I mean, if there was a comic about the Dungeon of Doom, I'd come back just to talk about those guys for a while because, like, man, I love bad rats. 921 01:45:40.000 --> 01:45:59.000 Well, they pinned. In the fall brawl, they pinned the Zodiac, of course. And then he gets to wrestle Kevin Sullivan, who is Mini Hulk Hogan. So it's because that was when Kevin Sullivan was wearing the red tights with the yellow lightning on them. 922 01:45:59.000 --> 01:46:00.000 The yellow, yeah. 923 01:46:00.000 --> 01:46:06.000 Which doesn't make like if you have Hulk Hogan there, have Kevin Sullivan change his colors because. 924 01:46:06.000 --> 01:46:32.000 And if you're trying to push yourself as this like satanic cult leader, like you know, Evil master, you know, like he's the, he's the taskmaster, you know, he was, you know, he had the skull mask and the hoodie. He was copying everybody's moves. No, if you're, if you're supposed to be this character, you can't have him come to the ring and just his, his, you know, Speedo and little booties, man, like, you gotta, you gotta play it up a bit if you're supposed to be some supernatural character. 925 01:46:32.000 --> 01:46:39.000 Well, and that's why they brought in King Curtis IKEA to do the voiceovers, which was a disaster. 926 01:46:39.000 --> 01:46:40.000 Yeah. 927 01:46:39.000 --> 01:46:48.000 Because this nice man that hangs out on the beach in Hawaii was now like doing evil voiceovers. 928 01:46:48.000 --> 01:46:58.000 Do you reckon his son's career was the make good on that? He was like, look, I'll do this dumb, but like, you gotta keep my son employed for the next several years. Was his nephew. 929 01:46:58.000 --> 01:47:00.000 Or was this a KFAB thing? 930 01:47:00.000 --> 01:47:03.000 No, no, I never knew that. 931 01:47:03.000 --> 01:47:04.000 I don't. 932 01:47:04.000 --> 01:47:08.000 You've bested me in my. In wrestling trivia. Dan, you've made a powerful enemy. 933 01:47:08.000 --> 01:47:15.000 I don't think Prince Ikea was. We can verify that later. But I do not think Prince Iaka was related to King Curtis ikea. 934 01:47:15.000 --> 01:47:16.000 Are you gonna say he's not a real. 935 01:47:16.000 --> 01:47:19.000 Are you some kind of ayakea truther? 936 01:47:19.000 --> 01:47:22.000 Well, it is Hawaii, and it is birth certificates, so, you know. 937 01:47:22.000 --> 01:47:25.000 Oh, my goodness. 938 01:47:25.000 --> 01:47:39.000 In this case, though, we are not in Hawaii. We are Peter. Chris is instantly fallen in love. He is a. They call him a tomcat, actually. And he's smitten by a cake. That's absolutely right. 939 01:47:39.000 --> 01:47:41.000 He meets a cat named Man Do. 940 01:47:41.000 --> 01:47:43.000 Cat. 941 01:47:43.000 --> 01:47:44.000 Holy sh. 942 01:47:44.000 --> 01:47:46.000 Oh, God. 943 01:47:46.000 --> 01:47:47.000 I did miss that, actually. 944 01:47:47.000 --> 01:47:48.000 Oh, wow. 945 01:47:48.000 --> 01:47:49.000 I was thinking. 946 01:47:49.000 --> 01:47:54.000 Yeah. Her name is. Is Mandu, and she's a cat. Cat. 947 01:47:54.000 --> 01:47:58.000 It's because I was thinking, she. He should have met a cat named Bess. 948 01:47:58.000 --> 01:47:59.000 Oh. 949 01:47:59.000 --> 01:48:06.000 Oh, man. When Beth finds out he was up on this satellite trying to bang some Andrew Lloyd Weber chick. 950 01:48:06.000 --> 01:48:10.000 What can he do? I mean, what can he do? 951 01:48:10.000 --> 01:48:13.000 What can he do? I'm sorry. 952 01:48:13.000 --> 01:48:22.000 The boys are caught, and then Meatloaf was here, and he said two out of three cats ain't bad. So it was. 953 01:48:22.000 --> 01:48:27.000 Especially when they're barely 17 and they're barely dressed and kiss is like, I can go for. 954 01:48:27.000 --> 01:48:28.000 And then you don't. 955 01:48:28.000 --> 01:48:29.000 Let me tell you about Chris. 956 01:48:29.000 --> 01:48:31.000 You don't do that. 957 01:48:31.000 --> 01:48:34.000 No, no, I won't do that. 958 01:48:34.000 --> 01:48:38.000 Yeah. And anything, but not that. 959 01:48:38.000 --> 01:48:39.000 Not that. 960 01:48:38.000 -->

01:48:44.000 So, yeah, it's. It's a crazy time. 961 01:48:44.000 --> 01:48:46.000 Everything's happening. 962 01:48:46.000 --> 01:48:53.000 I think. I see. Like, do you think, like, when did Rocky Horror Picture show come out? 963 01:48:53.000 --> 01:48:56.000 Was that 74? 964 01:48:56.000 --> 01:49:00.000 I think so. Gerber had to have seen that, right? 965 01:49:00.000 --> 01:49:01.000 Oh, yeah. 966 01:49:01.000 --> 01:49:03.000 Oh, surely. 967 01:49:03.000 --> 01:49:06.000 Well, we have a cat fight. 968 01:49:06.000 --> 01:49:14.000 Yeah. Because it turns out Catman do is already spoken for. She's got a boyfriend in this very bar, the big cat. Ernie Lad. 969 01:49:14.000 --> 01:49:22.000 Yeah. Well, we flipped to page 50, and it wasn't the Big Cat or Ernie Lad. In fact, it was Leo the Cat. 970 01:49:22.000 --> 01:49:25.000 But I'm sorry, Big Leo. 971 01:49:25.000 --> 01:49:47.000 We fixed the gates and you can tell. So who drew this one again? Was this Alan Weiss? You can tell that basically, Alan Weiss's goal was actually to take over commandee from Jack Kirby when he left dc. Because this is just a commandy page, is it not? 972 01:49:47.000 --> 01:49:54.000 Yeah, very much. And this also looks like some concept art for Battle Beats. Yes. 973 01:49:54.000 --> 01:49:55.000 Okay. 974 01:49:55.000 --> 01:49:58.000 Like, if they all have their little hologram images on their chests. 975 01:49:58.000 --> 01:49:59.000 Oh, yeah. 976 01:49:59.000 --> 01:50:00.000 Yeah. 977 01:49:59.000 --> 01:50:01.000 I'm. I'm still trying to figure out what the hell. 978 01:50:01.000 --> 01:50:05.000 Oh, man. The nightclub of Dr. Moreau. 979 01:50:05.000 --> 01:50:06.000 I like that. 980 01:50:05.000 --> 01:50:07.000 That's what this is. 981 01:50:07.000 --> 01:50:12.000 And what does he have in his hand, though? Is that like a magic wand or something? 982 01:50:12.000 --> 01:50:13.000 Some kind of miracle? 983 01:50:13.000 --> 01:50:17.000 Yeah, it's a magic wand. Okay. 984 01:50:17.000 --> 01:50:18.000 It is a magic wand. Wow. 985 01:50:18.000 --> 01:50:20.000 Yeah. 986 01:50:20.000 --> 01:50:40.000 I mean, marital aid, fun, you know, it's all the same. So you flip. Don't find one here. And Leo's agents that look like the Commandee characters decide to take out Ace. Ace is having nothing of that. They dreaded 987 01:50:40.000 --> 01:50:42.000 this page. 988 01:50:42.000 --> 01:50:44.000 The infamous arrows. 989 01:50:44.000 --> 01:51:00.000 Peter's fighting the marital aid. He ducks under Leo. He kicks him in the face with his platform shoes. At the same time, they're trying to dogpile Ace. No pun. Yeah, pun intended. Again. And then. 990 01:51:00.000 --> 01:51:07.000 And Big Leo is shocked that he broke the. The master lock. He's like. He says, no one's ever broken that grip before. 991 01:51:07.000 --> 01:51:13.000 And then Ace puts everybody in a cone of force. 992 01:51:13.000 --> 01:51:14.000 Cone of Silas. 993 01:51:14.000 --> 01:51:16.000 That actual DND spell, Greg. 994 01:51:16.000 --> 01:51:18.000 Oh, yeah. 995 01:51:18.000 --> 01:51:19.000 Is it? 996 01:51:18.000 --> 01:51:20.000 Yeah, I. I think it might. 997 01:51:20.000 --> 01:51:32.000 I can picture Gene having to explain this to the other three guys in the band because Gene was the big comic nerd and the other three guys were just like, I'm here to play music, dude. What we doing? What am I, a space man? All right, fine. 998 01:51:32.000 --> 01:51:35.000 It. Whatever. Anyway, he says, they're not gonna hurt me, Curly. 999 01:51:35.000 --> 01:51:38.000 And 1000 01:51:38.000 --> 01:51:47.000 Peter begs off on the girl. He's like, I've. I've gotta go. And they hit Leo. He's pulling a bath on Leo one more time. 1001 01:51:47.000 --> 01:51:50.000 He's like, I'm sorry, baby, but the boys are calling. 1002 01:51:50.000 --> 01:51:58.000 He says, I see Gene and Paul and Vanilla. I don't know what they're referencing. 1003 01:51:58.000 --> 01:51:59.000 Yeah, I got nothing. 1004 01:51:59.000 --> 01:52:07.000 Oh, is it. The guy must be. Maybe is vanilla. Mr. I've already forgotten his name. 1005 01:52:07.000 --> 01:52:13.000 Mr. Frizzle. No, Mr. Dizzy. He's got a magic school of us he's waiting for. 1006 01:52:13.000 --> 01:52:20.000 His official name is not Dizzy, though. It is Dizzy the Hun. 1007 01:52:20.000 --> 01:52:22.000 Dizzy. 1008 01:52:22.000 --> 01:52:24.000 Dizzy the Hun. Benji the Hunter. 1009 01:52:24.000 --> 01:52:28.000 Is that like Matilda the Hun from Gorgeous Ladies of Wrestling? 1010 01:52:28.000 --> 01:52:29.000 Oh, could be. 1011 01:52:29.000 --> 01:52:31.000 Yes. This dude is definitely one of the 1012 01:52:31.000 --> 01:52:40.000 Gorgeous Ladies of Wrestling. If they're all champions in the ring. They come from the streets. They come from the city. They come from a world where there is no pretty. 1013 01:52:40.000 --> 01:52:44.000 Yes. Yeah. 1014 01:52:44.000 --> 01:52:49.000 Okay, so 1015 01:52:49.000 --> 01:52:51.000 I. 1016 01:52:51.000 --> 01:52:54.000 We're gonna get done with this book. I promise. All right. Chapter four. 1017 01:52:54.000 --> 01:52:55.000 We're almost there. 1018 01:52:55.000 --> 01:52:57.000 Chapter four. Well, it is like a 60 page book, you know? 1019 01:52:57.000 --> 01:52:58.000 Yeah. 1020 01:52:58.000 --> 01:53:08.000 See Latveria and Die super special. This one is John by Rick By. By Rich Buckler. Didn't Rich Buckler draw the Karate Kid book, Greg? 1021 01:53:08.000 --> 01:53:14.000 I think so, yeah. I almost picked one up for you yesterday. 1022 01:53:14.000 --> 01:53:15.000 Oh, God. 1023 01:53:15.000 --> 01:53:22.000 I, I, I, I was so close. And then Anne was like, no, don't. And then it was a matter of. 1024 01:53:22.000 --> 01:53:25.000 It was either. Why do you listen to Anne? 1025 01:53:25.000 --> 01:53:41.000 Why? Yeah, why did I listen to her? Well, it was, it was like, buy that. And then a bunch of wild cats. And I was like, I don't think Dan has any of these. 1026 01:53:41.000 -->

01:53:46.000 Well, I mean, I only have, like, 18, 000 comic books, so. 1027 01:53:46.000 --> 01:53:50.000 Well, if you want them, they're over at West Coast Cards of Comics. 1028 01:53:50.000 --> 01:53:54.000 Are they in Federal Way down in Auburn now? 1029 01:53:54.000 --> 01:53:55.000 The, the new shop. 1030 01:53:55.000 --> 01:54:10.000 The new shop. The new shop that's, you know, Bobby. We found at West Coast Cards and Comics. Once I got very excited about finding some Whitman covers, and Greg hasn't let me live that down forever because I was so, just blatantly excited about. 1031 01:54:10.000 --> 01:54:25.000 He was so excited they raised their prices, though. I mean, like, and it's stupid. It's stupid. All their, like, yeah, stuff that should be like, under a buck is like three bucks. 1032 01:54:25.000 --> 01:54:31.000 So, I mean, I'm stupid. Yeah, well, I mean, they got to make money in this economy. 1033 01:54:31.000 --> 01:54:37.000 No, it's not even worth, it's not, it is not, not worth, not worth it. 1034 01:54:37.000 --> 01:55:12.000 Oh, I think I'm wrong. It was Rick Estrada, not Rick Buck. Rich Buckler. So that would be the difference. The, just the. Bobby, if you have no idea, the, the Karate Kid book was a much maligned book at DC. They put it out in 1976. They took Karate Kid from the 31st century, 30th century, and put him in the 20th century. And the problem with putting out a paint thing. Karate book in 1976. Yeah, well, the problem with putting out a karate book in 1976 is what 1035 01:55:12.000 --> 01:55:16.000 everybody wants to do. Kung fu, not karate. 1036 01:55:16.000 --> 01:55:21.000 They're about five to six to 10 years behind the trend. 1037 01:55:21.000 --> 01:55:42.000 Yeah, more or less. I mean, we're talking early 70s was the martial arts boom. We're on the tail end. It's like doing slasher stuff. And so, yeah, you, you miss the big boom. I mean, you get, I mean, obviously Shangchi and Iron Fist are still hopping around, but, like, it's not, it's not permeated everywhere like it was. 1038 01:55:42.000 --> 01:55:55.000 But the Marvel connection there was not Rich Buckler, but it was David Michelinie who wrote that trash series, who then went on to write Demon in a Bottle for Iron Man. Like, yeah. 1039 01:55:55.000 --> 01:55:57.000 Wow. 1040 01:55:57.000 --> 01:55:58.000 Good run. 1041 01:55:58.000 --> 01:56:08.000 Yeah. So he obviously traded up going back to Marvel well, anyway, Lavera die. We've got everybody up here. 1042 01:56:08.000 --> 01:56:09.000 We're in the Alps. 1043 01:56:08.000 --> 01:56:11.000 Yeah. 1044 01:56:11.000 --> 01:56:14.000 We flew air at Latvaria. 1045 01:56:14.000 --> 01:56:19.000 We've touched down on play hard, play fair, and nobody hurt. 1046 01:56:19.000 --> 01:56:20.000 Never explain what that's about. 1047 01:56:20.000 --> 01:56:23.000 I want that shirt, though. I want to make one. 1048 01:56:23.000 --> 01:56:25.000 It's just a Where's the beef shirt. Like, it doesn't mean anything.

1049 01:56:25.000 --> 01:56:32.000 My thought is that the artists always wanted to draw mister Terrific, 1050 01:56:32.000 --> 01:56:37.000 and this was their take. This is how mister Terrific shows drawn 1051 01:56:37.000 --> 01:56:52.000 by John Buscema again, by the way. So the art has stepped up even in the KISS figures. Like, they come in even in their body proportion. It's. John Bashima is really good at drawing. 1052 01:56:52.000 --> 01:56:54.000 Yeah, yeah. 1053 01:56:54.000 --> 01:56:55.000 Alan Weiss. 1054 01:56:55.000 --> 01:56:56.000 Okay. 1055 01:56:55.000 --> 01:57:02.000 At drawing, I guess. I wonder which pages Sal drew. Did we figure that out yet? 1056 01:57:02.000 --> 01:57:06.000 Yeah, I need, like, a guide showing me who drew what. 1057 01:57:06.000 --> 01:57:13.000 Well, we get back to Liberia, and since we are at, like an hour and 57 minutes already of this podcast, 1058 01:57:13.000 --> 01:57:14.000 we're gonna need to speed run the end of this thing. 1059 01:57:14.000 --> 01:57:26.000 We're gonna tell you we have the same fight because they. They. Because KISS tells you they have the same fight. Instead of fighting fembots, they fight doombots that are in monk robes. 1060 01:57:26.000 --> 01:57:33.000 They're dressed like jawas. They're. They're walking single file. And those are the sand people. 1061 01:57:33.000 --> 01:57:37.000 I mean, you know, I mean, j. Live in the sand. They got the big shot. 1062 01:57:37.000 --> 01:57:38.000 They're people in the sand. 1063 01:57:38.000 --> 01:57:39.000 They caught the. 1064 01:57:39.000 --> 01:57:40.000 The. The. The. 1065 01:57:40.000 --> 01:57:47.000 The droids and stuff like that, and they put. And the same people, they do the same kind of thing. I mean, it's similar, but different. Ish. 1066 01:57:47.000 --> 01:57:52.000 Yeah, but yeah, KISS is. Is whooping robot ass until. 1067 01:57:52.000 --> 01:57:57.000 Until lips show up and start sucking. Kiss. 1068 01:57:57.000 --> 01:58:01.000 Yeah. The. The ground rises up into a. A puckering mouth. 1069 01:58:01.000 --> 01:58:03.000 Suck my kiss. 1070 01:58:03.000 --> 01:58:04.000 Yeah. 1071 01:58:04.000 --> 01:58:09.000 Whoa. They could have been. Should have been. Would have been dead. 1072 01:58:09.000 --> 01:58:23.000 It. In fact. In fact, Peter says it's sucking us in, and I can't resist. 1073 01:58:23.000 --> 01:58:26.000 To which space says, now, boys, one 1074 01:58:26.000 --> 01:58:43.000 doesn't resist a lover, so they're really infatuated with these rock lips that have come out of the sky until. Until Paul hits the thing with a star beam and he tells everybody to go limp. 1075 01:58:43.000 --> 01:58:50.000 Oh, what a. That's a superpower, man. If I. If I stare at you, you go limp. 1076 01:58:50.000 --> 01:58:55.000 Oh, man, it worked. 1077 01:58:55.000 --> 01:58:57.000 Hey, why doesn't. Why doesn't Ghost Rider do that to 1078 01:58:57.000 --> 01:58:59.000 me and co. Limp? 1079 01:58:59.000 --> 01:59:03.000 Apparently Paul does it. Paul wants to be the only sex symbol in the band. 1080 01:59:03.000 --> 01:59:06.000 The impotent stare. 1081 01:59:06.000 --> 01:59:18.000 Paul has the impotent stare because he can't handle another sex symbol in the band. What a wingman that Paul is. The impotent stare. That's. 1082 01:59:18.000 --> 01:59:20.000 But this is where they end up on the COVID of the comic. 1083 01:59:20.000 --> 01:59:24.000 Yeah, well, yeah, that's true. Because now this floating orange rock in 1084 01:59:24.000 --> 01:59:29.000 space to fight Dr. Doom. This is like Marvel versus Capcom. We got the end, boss. 1085 01:59:29.000 --> 01:59:30.000 Oh, my gosh. 1086 01:59:29.000 --> 01:59:33.000 And Dr. Doom just takes them all out, like, way. 1087 01:59:33.000 --> 01:59:39.000 Oh, yeah. He backhands. There's a shot where he backhands Paul so hard his nipple moves up to his. His throat. 1088 01:59:39.000 --> 01:59:46.000 It does. And it's like that pepperoni just keeps moving. 1089 01:59:46.000 --> 01:59:49.000 Pepperoni flipped up onto his. 1090 01:59:49.000 --> 01:59:50.000 Eating a pizza. 1091 01:59:50.000 --> 01:59:54.000 Pizza. And the pepperoni's moving around. It's all hot and stuff. Like that oily old still. 1092 01:59:54.000 --> 02:00:03.000 Damn it. He shocks Gene, which was the wrong one to shock. 1093 02:00:03.000 --> 02:00:05.000 He just powered him up. 1094 02:00:05.000 --> 02:00:06.000 I almost broke Bobby there. 1095 02:00:06.000 --> 02:00:09.000 Okay, 1096 02:00:09.000 --> 02:00:15.000 so. And Ace is not shocked. 1097 02:00:15.000 --> 02:00:16.000 The. 1098 02:00:15.000 --> 02:00:23.000 The star eye, which is the most powerful thing, clearly hits Dr. Doom. Notice he's lost his hair. 1099 02:00:23.000 --> 02:00:28.000 He's like. He's like Dr. Doom. You ever heard of Bruce Lee? 1100 02:00:28.000 --> 02:00:29.000 Oh, no. 1101 02:00:29.000 --> 02:00:30.000 God. 1102 02:00:29.000 --> 02:00:35.000 He's crying. His mask starts rusty. Why couldn't it have been me getting all rusty? 1103 02:00:35.000 --> 02:00:39.000 His little boy, he starts creaking like the Tin Man. He just freaks. 1104 02:00:39.000 --> 02:00:45.000 Well, and I don't know who the narrator suddenly becomes either, because suddenly we have a narrator this whole section. 1105 02:00:45.000 --> 02:00:46.000 Yeah. 1106 02:00:46.000 --> 02:00:58.000 Touche. For the merest moment, Doom hesitates, startled by an apparent affected. Apparently affected by Aces off the wall. Admonition. Admonition. Can I say that? Say that. Great. 1107 02:00:58.000 --> 02:01:00.000 Oh, my God. Well, it's. It's. It is. 1108 02:01:00.000 --> 02:01:03.000 It is like I have a degree in Bruce Lee thing. 1109 02:01:03.000 --> 02:01:16.000 Because, I mean, he's sitting there and he's like, oh, my gosh. Bruce Lee had a child, and now he's dead. And that child has to be fatherless. 1110 02:01:16.000 --> 02:01:22.000 I need you to be sad for Brandon Lee. 1111 02:01:22.000 --> 02:01:23.000 And he. Well. 1112

02:01:23.000 --> 02:01:35.000 But Ace tells him he must have been a kid once. And that distracts Dr. Doom. And that breaks because he's like, I guess I was a kid once, and my mom left me this cool box that you stole. He's. 1113 02:01:35.000 --> 02:01:37.000 He's even stronger now. 1114 02:01:37.000 --> 02:01:41.000 Now he's MF2. 1115 02:01:41.000 --> 02:01:42.000 He's MF and Doom. 1116 02:01:42.000 --> 02:01:47.000 What if Doom just became all four kiss characters at the same time? 1117 02:01:47.000 --> 02:01:55.000 Oh, like you don't know which one you're getting. He's got all their powers, and if every time he takes the mask off, there's a different face paint under it. 1118 02:01:55.000 --> 02:01:57.000 Now, that's an ultimate. 1119 02:01:57.000 --> 02:02:08.000 Well, he's the four who are one. They hit Dr. Doom with the magic emotion power. And he sees his mommy and his Grim pass. 1120 02:02:08.000 --> 02:02:15.000 And then we also get the reveal that that Dizzy was like, I don't know, his uncle or some what Dizzy 1121 02:02:15.000 --> 02:02:31.000 cared for, killed my father. This guy took cared for me, but he stole my cool box. Now I hate him. And. And then Doom just decides to like, basically just kind of let them all go. 1122 02:02:31.000 --> 02:02:35.000 He banishes them one more time for the road. A Marvel character goes. 1123 02:02:35.000 --> 02:02:40.000 These guys, it just gets about it. 1124 02:02:40.000 --> 02:02:42.000 Like, what the hell? 1125 02:02:42.000 --> 02:02:51.000 Yeah, for a second here too. Yeah. So, yeah, basically we had Kiss in the Marvel Universe until they weren't. 1126 02:02:51.000 --> 02:03:02.000 Yeah. And like this we. We close it up with them. Like, boy, that was a weird adventure, wasn't it, guys? But now we got these superpowers. Hey, the word kids kind of sounds like the word kiss. Let's call ourselves kiss. 1127 02:03:02.000 --> 02:03:10.000 Hey, Scoob in the gang. That's a cool adventure, guys. Yeah, great. 1128 02:03:10.000 --> 02:03:25.000 Maybe we'll be back one day in a movie. And they do come back in a movie. And also another Marvel comic, Super Special. I believe they have a short in Super Special 5. But this is the last time we do a comic dedicated to Kiss in 1129 02:03:25.000 --> 02:03:28.000 the Marvel blood to give. 1130 02:03:28.000 --> 02:03:35.000 There were the appearances, right? Defenders or no, in Howard the Duck. Sorry, two appearances. Howard the Duck here is here. 1131 02:03:35.000 --> 02:03:43.000 And then they get an image on going in the turn of the millennium. I read that when I was a young teen, they had kissed Psycho Circus in Image. 1132 02:03:43.000 --> 02:03:47.000 Nobody talks about that. Is that what he said? 1133 02:03:47.000 --> 02:03:55.000 I mean, that is true. Nobody really talks about that. There was an action. A couple action figures that came out. McFarland got real into like Kiss for. 1134 02:03:55.000 --> 02:03:56.000 For us. 1135 02:03:56.000 --> 02:04:01.000 How

many action figures do you own, Bobby? Oh, really? 1136 02:04:01.000 --> 02:04:04.000 I don't have any of those. Where could I get those if I 1137 02:04:04.000 --> 02:04:05.000 didn't get them at the Retro Emporium. 1138 02:04:05.000 --> 02:04:07.000 And where is the Retro Emporium? 1139 02:04:07.000 --> 02:04:09.000 Downtown Kent. On Meeker. 1140 02:04:09.000 --> 02:04:10.000 What street? 1141 02:04:10.000 --> 02:04:24.000 On Meeker street. Where you can relive your childhood. Oh, and if you missed out on. If you missed out on. On Kiss Psycho Circus action figures, you can get them there when we have them. 1142 02:04:24.000 --> 02:04:25.000 Hell yeah. 1143 02:04:25.000 --> 02:04:29.000 And who doesn't work at the Retro Emporium, Dan? 1144 02:04:29.000 --> 02:04:33.000 No, because the Squacho Man's coming back, folks. Holy crap. 1145 02:04:33.000 --> 02:04:35.000 Oh, yeah. I can't. 1146 02:04:35.000 --> 02:04:39.000 I can't do it. Because that's a Squacho man thing. 1147 02:04:39.000 --> 02:04:46.000 So Marvel Comics puts out an entire one page survey to try to get. Send it in. 1148 02:04:46.000 --> 02:04:49.000 Hey, yo. 1149 02:04:49.000 --> 02:04:51.000 And as we know from The Internet. Everyone loves surveys. 1150 02:04:51.000 --> 02:04:53.000 Oh, man. 1151 02:04:53.000 --> 02:04:59.000 If you fill out this survey, I'm not sure what you get for doing it. 1152 02:04:59.000 --> 02:05:00.000 Crawdaddy. 1153 02:05:00.000 --> 02:05:03.000 Oh, you can win artwork. That's right. 1154 02:05:03.000 --> 02:05:06.000 Oh, you get. You get a page of this comic. 1155 02:05:06.000 --> 02:05:08.000 Oh, that's pretty cool. That is pretty. 1156 02:05:08.000 --> 02:05:13.000 Oh, man, I hope I get that one where Paul Stanley's nipple moves up. How many. 1157 02:05:13.000 --> 02:05:20.000 How many people cut this page out, making the now $500 book worthless and didn't win the artwork? 1158 02:05:20.000 --> 02:05:21.000 Oh, that's. 1159 02:05:21.000 --> 02:05:23.000 Oh, God. And now they're looking on ebay going, what the. 1160 02:05:23.000 --> 02:05:25.000 What did I do? 1161 02:05:25.000 --> 02:05:29.000 Oh, they're going, oh, God, Bruce Lee is dead. 1162 02:05:29.000 --> 02:05:32.000 We want you to join the Marvel army. 1163 02:05:32.000 --> 02:05:38.000 Now, I'm gonna say, I didn't hate this story. I actually thought it was a fun story. 1164 02:05:38.000 --> 02:05:39.000 Fun, isn't it? 1165 02:05:39.000 --> 02:05:48.000 What I will say is the most interesting as a historian part of this entire thing was page 66, where they explain how the comic was made. 1166 02:05:48.000 --> 02:05:49.000 Yes. 1167 02:05:49.000 --> 02:05:51.000 And everything that went into it. 1168 02:05:51.000 --> 02:05:55.000 There's a lot of. A lot of inside baseball. Imagine being a kid reading this stuff. 1169 02:05:55.000 --> 02:06:28.000 I love this. It explains why Alan Weiss didn't get to draw the whole thing. Just like you said, they ran out of time that they got John Costanza and Irv Watanabe for letters. Everybody loves John Costanza's letters, so, you know, that's fantastic. Explains how Al ended up inking the book and talks about the labor, talks about how cost intensive it was. Yeah, it was a cool little thing. And then we get the. We get an advertisement for some Kiss albums and. 1170 02:06:28.000 --> 02:06:34.000 Because I think Love Gun was about to come out, so, like, good time to be a. A young Kiss fan. 1171 02:06:34.000 --> 02:06:46.000 And we get a sad, sad, sad doom on the back cover. So, yeah, I mean, this is a. It's a fun book. It was a good choice, Bobby. I. 1172 02:06:46.000 --> 02:06:51.000 And thank you. I'm glad you enjoyed it. I really had a good time with it, too. I was. It was surprisingly. 1173 02:06:51.000 --> 02:07:24.000 Yeah, I mean, I've been poking at it a little bit, but I really. I read it in, like, two sittings. Uh, didn't take me long. And it was only because I fell asleep and almost dropped a tablet on my nose last night that I didn't need to read it last night. Uh, and so had to finish up reading this morning. But, yeah, it was. It was. It was a fun book. And I think, you know, it's interesting how it places in history, right, Being in this tabloid run. And then they're going to have, you know, several other tabloids after this one under this Marvel Super Spectacular banner. 1174 02:07:24.000 --> 02:07:34.000 Yeah. They do a bit of a run with these books and it was always a different subject for each one. There wasn't like an ongoing. This is what this magazine is going to be about. Like, they always chose a different thing. 1175 02:07:34.000 --> 02:07:37.000 Yeah, they ended up doing 41 of them. 1176 02:07:37.000 --> 02:07:40.000 41 in a row. 1177 02:07:40.000 --> 02:07:45.000 One of which I have, that Greg's gonna steal from me. 1178 02:07:45.000 --> 02:07:46.000 What? 1179 02:07:46.000 --> 02:07:47.000 Did you already forget? Okay, I'm keeping it then. 1180 02:07:47.000 --> 02:07:50.000 You already forgot I gave you one. 1181 02:07:50.000 --> 02:07:52.000 No, you did not give me one. 1182 02:07:52.000 --> 02:08:03.000 I did. I gave you Dr. Strange. I. I gave him Dr. Strange. 1183 02:08:03.000 --> 02:08:05.000 Sorry, it's Marvel treasury edition. 1184 02:08:05.000 --> 02:08:07.000 Oh, Treasure. Is it? No, you've already. 1185 02:08:07.000 --> 02:08:10.000 You've already forgotten. I got this @summercon after you went home because. 1186 02:08:10.000 --> 02:08:11.000 What is it? 1187 02:08:11.000 --> 02:08:13.000 Oh, go to the store. 1188 02:08:13.000 --> 02:08:16.000 Oh, yeah, I had to go work. Oh. Oh, yes, yes. Yeah, yeah. 1189 02:08:16.000 --> 02:08:17.000 Oh, that's great. 1190 02:08:17.000 --> 02:08:22.000 Cool. I. I'll call it a trade for the doctor Strange I gave you. 1191 02:08:22.000 --> 02:08:23.000 We don't trade. 1192 02:08:23.000 --> 02:08:24.000 What? 1193 02:08:24.000 --> 02:08:26.000 Wow. 1194 02:08:26.000 --> 02:08:27.000 We don't trade. 1195 02:08:27.000 -->

02:08:39.000 It was a. Then. Then you. You can gift that to me for the gift I gave you a gift. Oh, son of a. There was no gift, Craig. 1196 02:08:39.000 --> 02:08:42.000 Bobby hasn't seen this. 1197 02:08:42.000 --> 02:08:45.000 Oh, that's great. 1198 02:08:45.000 --> 02:08:51.000 Why are we showing things? We're delaying the end of the podcast, so. I mean, good news, by the way. 1199 02:08:51.000 --> 02:08:53.000 I'm trying to get to a grind. 1200 02:08:53.000 --> 02:08:54.000 Just showed off. Yeah. 1201 02:08:54.000 --> 02:09:00.000 We're getting his Christmas presents. Yeah. So good book. We proudly. 1202 02:09:00.000 --> 02:09:07.000 What his character would you be if you could get the power to be one? 1203 02:09:07.000 --> 02:09:11.000 Oh, that's interesting. I mean, I. I think I. I want the Paul Stanley Stargaze man. 1204 02:09:11.000 --> 02:09:12.000 Stargaze. 1205 02:09:12.000 --> 02:09:13.000 The star eye. 1206 02:09:13.000 --> 02:09:14.000 Star eye sounds. 1207 02:09:14.000 --> 02:09:16.000 So it sounds kind of dirty. 1208 02:09:16.000 --> 02:09:18.000 And I. I'm a. I'm a hirsute gentleman. I gotta. 1209 02:09:18.000 --> 02:09:19.000 I gotta. 1210 02:09:18.000 --> 02:09:24.000 I got a Paul Stanley chest, so. I mean, I feel like I have to be the Star Trek. What? Fanfellas. 1211 02:09:24.000 --> 02:09:38.000 Well, I definitely couldn't fill out the Paul Stanley chest, so that would not work for me. I'd probably have to be Ace. I'd probably have to be all the magic. All right. Stuff around. Yeah. I wouldn't want to call people. 1212 02:09:38.000 --> 02:09:41.000 Calling people curly. 1213 02:09:41.000 --> 02:09:45.000 I wanted to be. I wanted to be. I wanted to be Ace. 1214 02:09:45.000 --> 02:09:47.000 You'll put on the cat makeup. You'll like it. 1215 02:09:47.000 --> 02:09:53.000 You have to be Noon's Gene. Or. No, you're Chris. 1216 02:09:53.000 --> 02:09:54.000 I'll. I'll be. 1217 02:09:54.000 --> 02:09:57.000 You could be the encorer. I don't even know what that does. 1218 02:09:57.000 --> 02:10:01.000 You could be the Fox. 1219 02:10:01.000 --> 02:10:02.000 The Fox was pretty cool. 1220 02:10:02.000 --> 02:10:04.000 He was a very saying that so 1221 02:10:04.000 --> 02:10:07.000 feel so bad about the choice that I'm not getting to make. 1222 02:10:07.000 --> 02:10:08.000 Right? 1223 02:10:08.000 --> 02:10:10.000 You are. Once again, you are. 1224 02:10:10.000 --> 02:10:23.000 Like when I got the ice cream, it made me allergic. Wait. That I was allergic to. And then said, just eat it, Greg. Fine, I'll be the Fox. Everybody knows what the Fox says. 1225 02:10:23.000 --> 02:10:28.000 He's back there at the drum kit going, 1226 02:10:28.000 --> 02:10:39.000 do you know that they did in Marvel Super Spectacular number 26, they did James Bond 007, Octopussy. 1227 02:10:39.000 --> 02:10:42.000 Oh, wow. I'm gonna have to read that. 1228 02:10:42.000 --> 02:10:44.000 Now 1229 02:10:44.000 --> 02:10:49.000 I'm just picking random dizzy and he

fights doctor. 1230 02:10:49.000 --> 02:10:51.000 Oh my God. 1231 02:10:51.000 --> 02:10:57.000 That would be actually pretty funny. 1232 02:10:57.000 --> 02:11:00.000 I'm at the nightclub with Dr. Baron in issue 17. 1233 02:11:00.000 --> 02:11:05.000 They did Xanadu. The Xanadu you're thinking of. 1234 02:11:05.000 --> 02:11:09.000 That is one of the. I am a massive Michael Beck fan. So, like, I need. I need that. 1235 02:11:09.000 --> 02:11:13.000 That is one of the best movies out there. It is. 1236 02:11:13.000 --> 02:11:16.000 Olivia John is on the COVID Ah, so good. 1237 02:11:16.000 --> 02:11:20.000 We're getting some. Some classic Marvel art drawing. 1238 02:11:20.000 --> 02:11:23.000 Gene Ken Ever. 1239 02:11:23.000 --> 02:11:29.000 Okay. Do you think if they redid Xanadu, who would they cast now? 1240 02:11:29.000 --> 02:11:31.000 You just don't have those kinds of people anymore, man. 1241 02:11:31.000 --> 02:11:32.000 That's true. 1242 02:11:31.000 --> 02:11:32.000 You don't. 1243 02:11:32.000 --> 02:11:35.000 You can't be Olivia Newton John. Is that the question? 1244 02:11:35.000 --> 02:11:39.000 Yeah, but I. You're right. Bobby's right. They just don't have. They. They just don't. It doesn't. 1245 02:11:39.000 --> 02:11:54.000 No, they do. I got this. Hang on. I think it would be. Well, no, that. You're right. Bobby's correct. Because they would end up casting like a 45 year old 1246 02:11:54.000 --> 02:11:55.000 right. 1247 02:11:54.000 --> 02:12:02.000 When they should be casting a 25 year old. But they put lightly. They like Lady Gaga as Xanad. 1248 02:12:02.000 --> 02:12:06.000 Yeah, right. We'd end up doing that and it's just. It wouldn't be the same. 1249 02:12:06.000 --> 02:12:13.000 It wouldn't be good. Just wouldn't be good. Well, I'm sorry I even asked. 1250 02:12:13.000 --> 02:12:16.000 Well, anyway, man, do we think Xanadu is good? 1251 02:12:16.000 --> 02:12:17.000 Yeah, it's great. 1252 02:12:17.000 --> 02:12:21.000 It's fantastic. Yes. Okay. 1253 02:12:21.000 --> 02:12:22.000 Okay. 1254 02:12:22.000 --> 02:12:23.000 Yes. 1255 02:12:23.000 --> 02:12:25.000 The answer is. The answer is those. 1256 02:12:25.000 --> 02:12:27.000 The answer is those things. 1257 02:12:27.000 --> 02:12:28.000 Have you just listened to the soundtrack? 1258 02:12:28.000 --> 02:12:30.000 It's so good. 1259 02:12:30.000 --> 02:12:33.000 This makes me want to go roller skating. 1260 02:12:33.000 --> 02:12:36.000 Hell yeah. Let's go. 1261 02:12:36.000 --> 02:12:43.000 Let's do that. Wait, what is this? Volume one, number five, Marvel Super Special. Kiss 1262 02:12:43.000 --> 02:12:53.000 that. Like I said, they. They do reappear in a later Marvel Super Special for like a backup story. It's just like we check back in. I have not read that yet, but I understand that they do. They come back for part. 1263 02:12:53.000 --> 02:12:57.000 They give the box to another band and that band is Bonjour. 1264 02:12:57.000 --> 02:13:00.000 Oh, that's Dizzy. Other appearance. 1265 02:13:00.000 --> 02:13:01.000 Ah. 1266 02:13:01.000 --> 02:13:06.000 Oh, Dizzy brings them back. Oh, we're gonna have to look at 1267 02:13:06.000 --> 02:13:17.000 issue five, Marvel Super Special five. Okay. Project Bobby, sir, just the podcast. What. What do you. What are we working on? 1268 02:13:17.000 --> 02:14:03.000 That's pretty much it, man. You know, I am. My home turf is the Grime Bin podcast. That's where you could find me. Right now we're in the middle of. We're finishing up Summer Sequel Month, one of our event months we do every year where for a month long, everything that we cover is a just 449 episodes. Dude. That's it. You know, we're lazy that way. We've only been doing this for 10 years, but. But yeah, we end. And coming up very soon, folks at home, if you're interested, we have the. The super bowl, the World Series of the Grind Bin happens once a year every November. We. We celebrate camvember, where for an entire month we celebrate the. The filmography of one Cameron Mitchell. 1269 02:14:03.000 --> 02:14:04.000 So good. 1270 02:14:04.000 --> 02:14:21.000 And I have picked some doozies this year, so I don't want to spoil anything there, but if you're going to tune in, these are two good months to do it right now for Summer Sequel Month and a little bit later from now for Camvember. Okay, There is. Are you familiar with Cameron Mitchell, Dan? 1271 02:14:21.000 --> 02:14:23.000 Oh, 1272 02:14:23.000 --> 02:14:43.000 he was an actor who starred in a bunch of like, you know, westerns and whatnot back in the day. But then once he got to the 70s and 80s, he was a dude who would just show up in anything, man. Just some of the bottom of the barrel shit. And he was usually visibly intoxicated in the movies. He'd be in a character unto himself who commands attention. 1273 02:14:43.000 --> 02:14:56.000 I will. I will have to tune in and then catch up on some of these movies. Yeah, because we're. We're a future guest next month. Travis Bundy draws, like movie poster things. 1274 02:14:56.000 --> 02:14:57.000 Yes, yes, I love that. 1275 02:14:57.000 --> 02:15:26.000 And that's cool. He also is one of the people that pushes the. A big horror movie night in Tacoma once a month on Fridays. So it's. It'll be interesting how we're intersecting our universes here. Greg, we have already advertised the shop and I understand you're here to announce that Junior Braves number three is going to be going up on Kickstarter and we're breaking an exclusive right here first on. On the podcast. 1276 02:15:26.000 --> 02:15:31.000 We are not putting Junior Brace number three on the Kickstarter yet. 1277 02:15:31.000 --> 02:15:33.000 No, you told me I would get the exclusive. 1278 02:15:33.000 --> 02:15:56.000 I told you you're going to get an exclusive. When we do. We. We haven't even talked about that yet. Like, I mean, Tanner and I have not even talked about any of the. Any of the stuff, so how can I break something for you about

something that hasn't even happened yet? All I can tell you is that we are. We are currently working on. 1279 02:15:56.000 --> 02:16:00.000 Bobby is here, and he wanted the announcement, and he was waiting for it to come. 1280 02:16:00.000 --> 02:16:06.000 Oh, yes, yes. Bobby's like, yes, please tell me about Tanner stuff. We are. 1281 02:16:06.000 --> 02:16:09.000 I have to know. We are. 1282 02:16:09.000 --> 02:16:27.000 We're currently working. We're currently working on issue three. For all those who have been following along for the last many, many years. Gosh, it's like over a decade. But we are. We don't. We don't have. We don't have any more details to give you. 1283 02:16:27.000 --> 02:16:31.000 Okay, well, just monitor CBR and they'll make an announcement. 1284 02:16:31.000 --> 02:16:32.000 Yeah. 1285 02:16:32.000 --> 02:16:41.000 Gives them the official announcement. Later on. It'll be. It'll be smashed in between 18 listicles about the worst superhero powers. 1286 02:16:41.000 --> 02:17:05.000 So, I mean, but I promise, Dan, I promise you will be the first to hear about it. You'll be. You'll be breaking news. I won't post about it until I tell you about it. And then you can break the news to the Internet. And. And at that point, if you want to actually break the Tanner van and have Tanner on the show. The unofficial Tanner. He shakes his head. No. 1287 02:17:05.000 --> 02:17:12.000 No, no, no. I didn't get invited to Rose City Comic Con, so that's it. 1288 02:17:12.000 --> 02:17:15.000 There ain't no Tanner, and there never was. 1289 02:17:15.000 --> 02:17:24.000 Well, until I'm invited back to a panel, there's still a band, so that's. The unofficial ban, will continue until I'm invited back. 1290 02:17:24.000 --> 02:17:27.000 Yep. 1291 02:17:27.000 --> 02:17:33.000 So the last thing, of course, if you need legal tr. If you're in legal trouble. 1292 02:17:33.000 --> 02:17:34.000 Yeah. 1293 02:17:34.000 --> 02:17:35.000 Does Bobby know what to do? 1294 02:17:35.000 --> 02:17:40.000 I don't think Bobby knows what to do if you're in legal trouble, but do you guys. 1295 02:17:40.000 --> 02:17:41.000 What do I do? 1296 02:17:41.000 --> 02:17:54.000 You know what to do. Like, in California, like, let's say you have a. Let's say you're a horrible fang company, laid you off for no reason, even though you're a really top performing employee, 1297 02:17:54.000 --> 02:17:58.000 and then, well, I'd really be in the soup. Then what do I do? 1298 02:17:58.000 --> 02:18:08.000 I don't know. And even if they said things like, man, we can't have you here because you have a disability. That'd be terrible, right? This is. This is terrible. 1299 02:18:08.000 --> 02:18:09.000 What recourse do I have? 1300 02:18:09.000 --> 02:18:51.000 Well, you have a lot of recourse, and you know who to ask about it. You could ask Jiu Jitsu lawyer Paul, and you can call Jiu Jitsu Lawyer Paul at 253-656-4475. And you know, you'll, you'll meet, you'll talk to Kelly, his assistant, and guess what? You can set up an appointment with Jiu Jitsu or Paul, and you could find out all about whether or not you have a case, because he's going to be honest with you. Because you know why? Well, because he takes these cases, they're called contingent cases, and if he doesn't win, he doesn't get paid. So he's going to be real honest with you about whether or not you have a case. Because if he can't help you win, then he can't help you. But if he can, he's going to tell you. 1301 02:18:51.000 --> 02:18:54.000 And that's the kind of guy I'm looking for. 1302 02:18:54.000 --> 02:18:57.000 He's licensed in both California and Washington. 1303 02:18:57.000 --> 02:19:03.000 That, that means he can help people everywhere but Oregon on the west coast, 1304 02:19:03.000 --> 02:19:05.000 at least all the states that count. Yes. 1305 02:19:05.000 --> 02:19:08.000 So, okay. 1306 02:19:08.000 --> 02:19:20.000 All the real estate. Yeah. So, yeah, that's fantastic. And guess what? That's 253-656-4475. Before Greg asks again, I was just 1307 02:19:20.000 --> 02:19:24.000 gonna ask what that number was because I didn't get a chance to write it down. Dan. 1308 02:19:24.000 --> 02:19:32.000 Yeah, so say it again. Nothing like a Jiu Jitsu Lawyer Paul plug at 2 hours and 19 minutes into the podcast, I'm sure he'll appreciate that. 1309 02:19:32.000 --> 02:19:34.000 That's when it really hits him. 1310 02:19:34.000 --> 02:19:46.000 If you want to train Jiu Jitsu with Jiu Jitsu Warrior Paul, you could go to certified martial arts on 27th and Bridgeport. Slash Jackson right here in Tacoma, Washington. Beautiful place. 1311 02:19:46.000 --> 02:19:47.000 What do they do there? 1312 02:19:47.000 --> 02:20:03.000 Jujitsu Martial arts. Yeah. Now, if you want to show up at 11 o' clock on a Saturday morning, most Saturdays you can carry around 150 and 200 pound sandbags with me. But everybody says no all the time, so nobody wants to do that. I don't know why. 1313 02:20:03.000 --> 02:20:07.000 For whatever reason, people don't seem to think that we're a workout plan. 1314 02:20:07.000 --> 02:20:09.000 It's a workout. 1315 02:20:09.000 --> 02:20:11.000 It's a montage. 1316 02:20:11.000 --> 02:20:13.000 Juliet is often there. 1317 02:20:13.000 --> 02:20:17.000 It turns you into a Super Dan. 1318 02:20:17.000 --> 02:20:18.000 Yeah, well, I. 1319 02:20:18.000 --> 02:20:20.000 There's no easy way out. 1320 02:20:20.000 --> 02:20:23.000 Yes, exactly. Except you're. 1321 02:20:23.000 --> 02:20:24.000 You're so close. 1322 02:20:24.000 --> 02:20:28.000 But I play episodes of Dragon Ball Z while I am. 1323 02:20:28.000 --> 02:20:33.000 Oh, and finally, how's that power level looking? 1324 02:20:33.000 --> 02:20:53.000 Power level is looking good because he just survived an entire planet of Nemec blowing up. Oh, and good news. They tried to get the Dragon Balls to invite to wish him back to Earth. And he was like, no, I'm not coming. And I don't know what happens until next week when I lift more sandbags. So it's a. 1325 02:20:53.000 --> 02:20:54.000 It's a. 1326 02:20:53.000 --> 02:21:07.000 It's a terrible state right now because I've never watched Dragon Ball Z. I've only seen Dragon Ball Z abridged, so I don't know exactly what happens yet. The suspense is yelling me to go lift more sandbags. 1327 02:21:07.000 --> 02:21:10.000 Bags 1328 02:21:10.000 --> 02:21:35.000 200 pound sandbag heavy. But when Goku is fighting things, that is important. So, you know, he's just. And since it only takes like 14 episodes to get through one storyline, you know, it goes quick. So, yeah, heart of the cards. Heart of the cards. That's how we're ending this podcast. Nobody will get that reference. 1329 02:21:35.000 --> 02:21:38.000 Play hard, play doesn't matter. Worth it. 1330 02:21:38.000 --> 02:21:39.000 All good. 1331 02:21:39.000 --> 02:21:40.000 Nobody heard it. 1332 02:21:40.000 --> 02:21:47.000 We probably should end this thing because it's been going on for a long time. But thank you for joining us to review Marvel Super Spectacular number one. 1333 02:21:47.000 --> 02:21:50.000 It has been an absolute pleasure, guys. Thank you so much for joining us. 1334 02:21:50.000 --> 02:21:54.000 I'm gonna hit the stop button now because Greg's incapable of hitting buttons. 1335 02:21:54.000 --> 02:22:02.000 Bye, everyone.