Full Transcript for Wandering the Deep Roads - Where Did The Road Go?

you know. I guess I can't imagine 75 00:04:23.649 --> 00:04:28.350 anything in that way being announced. I think if we 76 00:04:28.389 --> 00:04:32.949 were to get the announcement that, say, the phenomena that 77 00:04:32.970 --> 00:04:35.550 we've been seeing is actually because there is some sort 78 00:04:35.589 --> 00:04:41.029 of crypto-terrestrial that's been living underwater, that would probably cause 79 00:04:41.089 --> 00:04:46.629 mass panic because that's an immediate threat or something that's 80 00:04:46.709 --> 00:04:50.259 in your backyard. Yeah. It's one of those things that, 81 00:04:50.740 --> 00:04:54.509 like we just saw with the pandemic, I don't know 82 00:04:54.550 --> 00:04:55.449 if people would believe it. 83 00:04:56.250 --> 00:04:57.509 Yeah, that's another part. 84 00:04:57.670 --> 00:05:00.199 You know, I really, at this point, I think that the... 85 00:05:00.579 --> 00:05:03.009 the waters have been muddied too much in the sense 86 00:05:03.050 --> 00:05:06.790 that we don't have like a consensus reality anymore. I mean, 87 00:05:06.810 --> 00:05:08.990 at one point, I'm not saying it was good, but 88 00:05:09.129 --> 00:05:12.569 there was this consensus reality that like each country and, 89 00:05:12.629 --> 00:05:15.610 you know, I guess within each sort of like language 90 00:05:15.670 --> 00:05:19.199 speaking sphere, there was this consensus reality, which was for 91 00:05:19.240 --> 00:05:24.819 the most part dictated by the you know, governments, media, corporations, 92 00:05:26.040 --> 00:05:28.639 not much different than what we have it now, but 93 00:05:28.759 --> 00:05:31.149 at least everybody was on the same page for better 94 00:05:31.209 --> 00:05:33.790 or worse. So you would believe things that happen. And 95 00:05:33.870 --> 00:05:36.709 now I think we're so divided up, you know, especially 96 00:05:36.750 --> 00:05:40.209 in a giant country like the United States, where certain 97 00:05:40.269 --> 00:05:43.709 factions believe one thing, but from one person or type 98 00:05:43.750 --> 00:05:47.269 of people and other people believe another thing. And, you know, 99 00:05:47.500 --> 00:05:50.579 AI existing the way it does, you know, even if 100 00:05:50.639 --> 00:05:53.009 it isn't What it's all cracked up to be, which 101 00:05:53.050 --> 00:05:55.550 is a whole other conversation, a lot of people believe 102 00:05:55.589 --> 00:05:58.290 it is. So I think that we almost are living in, well, 103 00:05:58.310 --> 00:06:01.019 not almost, we kind of are living in this post-truth 104 00:06:01.100 --> 00:06:05.319 society where anything that is major, people aren't necessarily going 105 00:06:05.339 --> 00:06:06.220 to believe it, you know? 106 00:06:06.519 --> 00:06:09.759 There was a thing I saw posted that someone said, 107 00:06:10.910 --> 00:06:14.209 They were an expert in whatever field, and the person 108 00:06:14.290 --> 00:06:18.120 next to them asked them a question, and they answered them, 109 00:06:18.259 --> 00:06:20.319 and then they turned and looked it up on AI, 110 00:06:20.339 --> 00:06:22.620 and AI gave them a different answer, and they went 111 00:06:22.660 --> 00:06:23.100 with that. 112 00:06:23.220 --> 00:06:23.439 Right. 113 00:06:23.660 --> 00:06:26.620 And they're like, so you just asked an expert, but 114 00:06:26.740 --> 00:06:29.379 took the advice of ChatGPT instead. 115 00:06:29.699 --> 00:06:30.550 Right. Right. 116 00:06:30.699 --> 00:06:31.050 Right. 117 00:06:31.189 --> 00:06:34.709 Yeah. Yep. I think that's... Go ahead, Chris. I don't 118 00:06:34.730 --> 00:06:35.209 want to interrupt you. 119 00:06:35.350 --> 00:06:37.250 Oh, I got nothing to say about that. Go ahead. 120 00:06:37.269 --> 00:06:37.689 I don't know. 121 00:06:37.930 --> 00:06:40.060 Well, I was just going to add to kind of 122 00:06:40.100 --> 00:06:45.540 like this post-truth society thing. You know, we've talked about 123 00:06:45.560 --> 00:06:48.699 this other times and things like that. But, you know, 124 00:06:49.300 --> 00:06:53.189 we've seen so much evidence of wrongdoing at the highest 125 00:06:53.350 --> 00:06:56.410 level among all kinds of business people over the world. 126 00:06:56.430 --> 00:06:56.930 Yeah. 127 00:06:57.449 --> 00:07:00.529 And nothing's done about it. And it seems to be 128 00:07:00.569 --> 00:07:04.329 just kind of... embraced even um and i think that's 129 00:07:04.930 --> 00:07:08.509 really made it hard you know to decide what you 130 00:07:08.529 --> 00:07:10.889 think is going to be true or arrive at that 131 00:07:10.939 --> 00:07:14.720 kind of consensus reality again um you know i almost 132 00:07:14.800 --> 00:07:17.680 even kind of wonder occasionally when i get extra conspiratorial 133 00:07:17.720 --> 00:07:20.259 if that's not by design too i suspect it is 134 00:07:20.620 --> 00:07:23.980 yeah i kind of think it is too um but 135 00:07:24.019 --> 00:07:27.259 you know I have another point there, and I just 136 00:07:27.319 --> 00:07:29.100 lost it. I'm trying to see if it'll come back 137 00:07:29.139 --> 00:07:31.870 to me. You know how that goes. 138 00:07:31.899 --> 00:07:32.399 Oh, yeah. 139 00:07:32.519 --> 00:07:33.110 Way too well. 140 00:07:33.430 --> 00:07:33.899 Yeah, yeah. 141 00:07:33.939 --> 00:07:36.410 But, you know, if we were, I don't know, if 142 00:07:36.649 --> 00:07:39.170 there were things that could be revealed, like I certainly 143 00:07:39.230 --> 00:07:42.569 wish that we found out that, you know, there was 144 00:07:42.610 --> 00:07:44.350 some kind of free energy or something like that we 145 00:07:44.370 --> 00:07:45.230 could get access to. 146 00:07:45.250 --> 00:07:45.949 Right. 147 00:07:46.050 --> 00:07:48.629 But that's, you know, that would never happen because they 148 00:07:48.649 --> 00:07:51.189 wouldn't let us do that. um one of the things 149 00:07:51.250 --> 00:07:53.009 i think that would be interesting is if you found 150 00:07:53.100 -->

00:07:57.180 out more about you know reality being a bit pliable 151 00:07:57.399 --> 00:08:00.339 and that these things we're seeing are entities and consciousnesses 152 00:08:00.399 --> 00:08:03.139 flying around um but again i also think that kind 153 00:08:03.180 --> 00:08:05.740 of empowers people in a way that uh would be 154 00:08:05.800 --> 00:08:09.319 stopped um i did see something interesting the other day 155 00:08:09.379 --> 00:08:11.600 though uh you know chris when you brought up crypto 156 00:08:11.639 --> 00:08:14.220 terrestrial this is a little side tangent but i think 157 00:08:14.259 --> 00:08:19.389 it's worth mentioning um There was a guy on Instagram 158 00:08:19.410 --> 00:08:21.350 that has popped up on my feed now and then 159 00:08:21.529 --> 00:08:27.019 that's very into psychedelics and mushrooms. And he proposed that 160 00:08:28.360 --> 00:08:32.899 the grays are actually a fungus body. 161 00:08:34.039 --> 00:08:34.620 I like that. 162 00:08:35.259 --> 00:08:38.179 Yeah, yeah. He was basically saying that they're crypto terrestrials, 163 00:08:38.730 --> 00:08:43.350 but they're a body created by, you know, the giant 164 00:08:43.470 --> 00:08:47.590 fungus hive mind, which funguses are weird. You know, they're strange. 165 00:08:49.409 --> 00:08:52.289 And that's why when you hallucinate or, you know, you 166 00:08:52.330 --> 00:08:55.470 would be experiencing something with like DMT or mushrooms or 167 00:08:55.509 --> 00:08:57.529 something like that, you would see the same things that 168 00:08:57.669 --> 00:09:00.389 look like the, quote, alien greys that you see. 169 00:09:00.649 --> 00:09:01.289 Yeah. 170 00:09:01.470 --> 00:09:03.350 But yeah, if we found that out, I think that'd. 171 00:09:03.230 --> 00:09:05.669 Be pretty cool. I mean, that would be very cool. 172 00:09:06.330 --> 00:09:08.230 You know, I certainly would love it if there was 173 00:09:08.309 --> 00:09:12.399 some sort of announcement that had at its core a, 174 00:09:12.480 --> 00:09:17.980 you know, massive scientific cultural sea change where consciousness was 175 00:09:18.029 --> 00:09:21.480 thought of as you know the being first and foremost 176 00:09:21.639 --> 00:09:25.600 and you know I think many people though they would 177 00:09:25.639 --> 00:09:28.769 have a difficulty with it you know many people like 178 00:09:28.830 --> 00:09:31.549 me probably would very be very happy and think okay 179 00:09:31.570 --> 00:09:33.809 well you know now we don't have to worry about 180 00:09:33.970 --> 00:09:36.830 some of the you know the BS that we were 181 00:09:36.970 --> 00:09:40.230 worried about before But I mean, who knows if that 182 00:09:40.250 --> 00:09:42.710 would actually be the case? I don't know. I don't 183 00:09:42.750 --> 00:09:45.799 know if it would change anybody at this point. I 184 00:09:45.840 --> 00:09:48.519 think it would have to be something that's like the 185 00:09:48.580 --> 00:09:52.019 photon belt theory where we all of a sudden hit 186 00:09:52.080 --> 00:09:54.889 some sort of field in the universe or the galaxy, 187 00:09:55.610 --> 00:09:58.509 the monastic field that turns on all of our psychic 188 00:09:58.549 --> 00:10:00.720 abilities and all of a sudden everybody in the world 189 00:10:00.820 --> 00:10:05.200 can hear and feel the emotions and thoughts of others 190 00:10:05.259 --> 00:10:09.000 or something along those lines. Not like Pluribus, but more 191 00:10:09.059 --> 00:10:12.379 like all of a sudden everybody's like a psychic empath. 192 00:10:12.700 --> 00:10:15.220 What is that going to do to the world? I've 193 00:10:15.259 --> 00:10:18.860 always liked that. If people are familiar with the photon belt, 194 00:10:19.649 --> 00:10:23.029 conspiracy theory, but it's an old one. And, you know, 195 00:10:23.080 --> 00:10:25.919 I've always thought that that kind of, like, you know, 196 00:10:26.000 --> 00:10:28.220 shock to the system is what would be needed in 197 00:10:28.279 --> 00:10:30.379 order for people to really... It also probably would mean 198 00:10:30.399 --> 00:10:31.620 a lot of societal collapse. 199 00:10:32.360 --> 00:10:34.919 And Seth talks about that happening in the future, and 200 00:10:34.980 --> 00:10:38.159 that also connects with Yuga cycle and all that stuff, 201 00:10:38.309 --> 00:10:41.309 which also kind of talks about that. And as far 202 00:10:41.370 --> 00:10:44.370 as free energy goes, also, what was the movie where 203 00:10:44.409 --> 00:10:46.230 the kid could make people feel things? 204 00:10:46.950 --> 00:10:47.509 Oh, yes. 205 00:10:48.289 --> 00:10:48.590 Powder? 206 00:10:48.879 --> 00:10:49.139 Yes. 207 00:10:49.759 --> 00:10:50.559 Powder. It was Powder. 208 00:10:50.580 --> 00:10:55.019 Unfortunately, I think written and directed by a pedophile. Oh. Yeah. Yeah. 209 00:10:55.139 --> 00:10:55.950 That's unfortunate. 210 00:10:56.159 --> 00:10:59.330 It is unfortunate. He's the same guy that was the 211 00:10:59.370 --> 00:11:01.929 director or writer of Killer Clowns from Outer Space. 212 00:11:01.990 --> 00:11:04.870 Really? Yeah. I wouldn't even think the same person did 213 00:11:04.909 --> 00:11:07.490 those two movies. That's crazy. Well, that's unfortunate, but that 214 00:11:07.529 --> 00:11:11.750 movie was excellent. Because he was able to give people empathy. 215 00:11:11.769 --> 00:11:13.649 You know, the guy shot the deer, and they're standing 216 00:11:13.750 --> 00:11:16.070 over it, and he reaches down, and he feels the deer, 217 00:11:16.110 --> 00:11:17.649 and then he touches the guy, and the guy could 218 00:11:17.669 --> 00:11:20.169 feel what the deer felt, and he was, like, horrified. 219 00:11:20.789 --> 00:11:24.710 Yes, exactly. Yeah. I mean, totally. I think that that's... And, 220 00:11:24.769 --> 00:11:27.769 you know, you see the different version of this pop 221 00:11:27.909 --> 00:11:31.529 up in comics and sci-fi movies and stuff like that. 222

00:11:31.820 --> 00:11:34.659 This sort of, you know, there are different ways of exploring. 223 00:11:34.679 --> 00:11:37.470 I mean, pluribus is one way of exploring it. Yes. Yes. 224 00:11:37.490 --> 00:11:40.789 You know, and I think that's I find that to 225 00:11:40.830 --> 00:11:43.009 be very interesting, you know, on all levels. 226 00:11:43.389 --> 00:11:46.559 And as far as free energy, we had it. Tesla 227 00:11:46.700 --> 00:11:47.080 had it. 228 00:11:47.139 --> 00:11:47.340 Right. 229 00:11:47.580 --> 00:11:51.320 And it was it was wiped out. The concepts were 230 00:11:51.399 --> 00:11:53.580 taken over because there was no way to monetize it. 231 00:11:54.690 --> 00:11:56.490 You know, his whole thing was he wanted to give 232 00:11:56.610 --> 00:12:00.230 everyone access to free electricity and he found a way 233 00:12:00.269 --> 00:12:01.789 to do it, to pull it from the earth or 234 00:12:01.830 --> 00:12:06.230 whatever he was doing. And it was squashed because you 235 00:12:06.250 --> 00:12:07.350 can't monetize that. 236 00:12:08.389 --> 00:12:08.710 Yeah. 237 00:12:09.429 --> 00:12:12.509 And I mean, then didn't, you know, it was the government, 238 00:12:12.809 --> 00:12:16.360 I think, and this could be one of those conspiracy things, 239 00:12:16.429 --> 00:12:19.600 but I'm pretty sure that it was, you know, our 240 00:12:19.720 --> 00:12:24.460 orange president's uncle that was in charge of the government 241 00:12:24.580 --> 00:12:28.450 agency or the team that went and took all of 242 00:12:28.539 --> 00:12:31.669 his stuff out of the hotel after he died. Yeah. 243 00:12:31.909 --> 00:12:34.629 Yeah, that's, yeah, I've heard that too. 244 00:12:34.649 --> 00:12:38.289 Yep. Yeah, so much of his stuff has been, quote, lost. Yeah. 245 00:12:38.490 --> 00:12:41.690 Because again, I mean, that's not advantageous. You know, like 246 00:12:42.769 --> 00:12:44.769 the story, if I remember it right, is that like 247 00:12:44.830 --> 00:12:48.070 all these companies, these head of companies went to see 248 00:12:48.110 --> 00:12:51.710 what Tesla had invented. And when he showed them and 249 00:12:51.730 --> 00:12:53.889 they were like, how do we monetize this? He's like, 250 00:12:53.929 --> 00:12:56.820 you don't. Yeah. That's not why I did this. This 251 00:12:57.000 --> 00:12:59.779 is free to everyone. And they're like, no, that's not 252 00:12:59.820 --> 00:13:02.029 how things work. Yeah. 253 00:13:02.450 --> 00:13:06.139 I mean, it's, yeah, it's funny. I think for a 254 00:13:06.179 --> 00:13:09.620 long time, there was this idea that somehow the powers 255 00:13:09.659 --> 00:13:14.659 that be were also behind a sort of Star Trek future. 256 00:13:15.259 --> 00:13:18.820 But that's not the case at all. And I think that, 257 00:13:18.879 --> 00:13:21.850 you know, maybe I was naive to think that, but 258 00:13:21.879 --> 00:13:25.149 the idea that If we could hit this point of, 259 00:13:25.769 --> 00:13:30.110 you know, non-scarcity in culture that we would be able 260 00:13:30.269 --> 00:13:33.190 to do these amazing things that, you know, we aren't 261 00:13:33.730 --> 00:13:37.509 able to now because people wouldn't be scrounging for anything. 262 00:13:37.549 --> 00:13:41.429 You know, it would be we completely change the stakes 263 00:13:41.490 --> 00:13:44.009 of why people do things. You do things for personal gain. 264 00:13:44.320 --> 00:13:48.679 you know, gain, you know, and, and notoriety and sense 265 00:13:48.759 --> 00:13:53.490 of satisfaction, exploration, all of these different things instead of, 266 00:13:53.950 --> 00:13:56.059 I guess, money and wealth. 267 00:13:56.840 --> 00:14:02.070 Which is the general belief that capitalism is important because 268 00:14:02.450 --> 00:14:06.610 people will only make discoveries and stuff if there's money involved. 269 00:14:06.629 --> 00:14:09.389 And it's like, no, there's plenty of people that if 270 00:14:09.470 --> 00:14:11.629 money was not involved, they'd still be doing the stuff 271 00:14:11.669 --> 00:14:12.070 they do. 272 00:14:12.289 --> 00:14:12.490 Sure. 273 00:14:12.570 --> 00:14:13.070 Oh, for sure. 274 00:14:13.289 --> 00:14:15.629 You know, there's plenty of people who make art because 275 00:14:15.710 --> 00:14:17.850 they want to make art. And I mean, I'm one 276 00:14:17.889 --> 00:14:18.110 of them. 277 00:14:18.169 --> 00:14:21.100 Yeah, there are. Yeah, exactly. I think, in fact, there 278 00:14:21.120 --> 00:14:22.220 would be a lot more. 279 00:14:22.360 --> 00:14:22.659 Yes. 280 00:14:23.059 --> 00:14:25.639 You know, a lot more Teslas if we allowed that 281 00:14:25.679 --> 00:14:27.740 sort of freedom, you know. Yeah, for sure. 282 00:14:29.029 --> 00:14:32.149 And, you know, when it comes to the government disclosing things, I, 283 00:14:32.320 --> 00:14:35.120 you know, like, OK, so back in the 90s when 284 00:14:35.159 --> 00:14:38.460 it was must be 97 or 98, whenever the anniversary 285 00:14:38.480 --> 00:14:42.720 of Roswell was the, you know, the government came out 286 00:14:42.740 --> 00:14:45.690 and they were like, OK, so we apparently don't have 287 00:14:45.730 --> 00:14:47.169 any files on Roswell. 288 00:14:47.190 --> 00:14:47.629 Right. 289 00:14:48.049 --> 00:14:51.250 But from our research, we this was a high, high 290 00:14:51.429 --> 00:14:52.730 altitude weather balloon. Right. 291 00:14:53.100 --> 00:14:53.259 Right. 292 00:14:53.320 --> 00:14:53.480 Yeah. 293 00:14:53.659 --> 00:14:56.200 They may have been telling the truth and no one 294 00:14:56.259 --> 00:14:58.360 believed them, you know. And of course, why did no 295 00:14:58.419 --> 00:15:01.000 one believe them? A, they've been lying for so long. 296 00:15:01.460 --> 00:15:01.840 Right. 297 00:15:02.240 --> 00:15:05.200 But also the Air Force wasn't in charge back then. 298 00:15:05.240 --> 00:15:07.120 It was. Oh, what was. 299 00:15:07.159 --> 00:15:10.870 You're right. If this was

pre Air Force. Yeah. Yeah. 300 00:15:10.889 --> 00:15:12.830 So they legitimate Army Air Corps. 301 00:15:13.009 --> 00:15:13.190 Yeah. 302 00:15:13.289 --> 00:15:16.289 Yeah. So they legitimately probably didn't have the files and 303 00:15:16.330 --> 00:15:19.500 the files were probably destroyed. Um, you know, and if 304 00:15:19.509 --> 00:15:22.820 someone like Nick Redfern or, um, Douglas Dietrich are right, 305 00:15:22.899 --> 00:15:24.559 they were running experiments on people. 306 00:15:24.580 --> 00:15:24.840 Yeah. 307 00:15:24.980 --> 00:15:27.159 So you're not doing, they were doing nuclear stuff. 308 00:15:27.440 --> 00:15:27.639 Yeah. 309 00:15:27.940 --> 00:15:29.759 Right. So you're not, you're not going to see those 310 00:15:30.379 --> 00:15:32.929 come out. So they may legitimately have released what they 311 00:15:32.970 --> 00:15:36.049 have and people went, well, you're lying. It's like, but 312 00:15:36.070 --> 00:15:38.610 if they said it was aliens, they'd also say, oh, 313 00:15:38.649 --> 00:15:41.769 you're lying. You know, like there'd be some people who 314 00:15:41.789 --> 00:15:43.960 were like, yes, we were right. And then everyone, all 315 00:15:43.980 --> 00:15:45.960 the skeptics would be like, no, why are you lying 316 00:15:46.000 --> 00:15:46.480 about this? 317 00:15:46.899 --> 00:15:47.139 Mm-hmm. 318 00:15:48.139 --> 00:15:50.470 Show us the bodies. Oh, we don't have them anymore. 319 00:15:51.250 --> 00:15:53.870 Forgot to preserve them. It's kind of like the giant 320 00:15:53.950 --> 00:15:57.009 skeletons that the Smithsonian has, quote, lost. 321 00:15:57.230 --> 00:16:01.190 Right, right. Well, what about J-Rod? J-Rod? Remember J-Rod? Remember 322 00:16:01.210 --> 00:16:04.269 that guy, Dan Burrish, that was... I think it was 323 00:16:04.389 --> 00:16:09.429 Project Camelot that sort of broke him. He was this 324 00:16:09.509 --> 00:16:13.809 guy who said he essentially was working at S4, you know, 325 00:16:13.929 --> 00:16:15.429 and he was one of the ones that was working 326 00:16:15.490 --> 00:16:19.570 on Project Looking Glass. And he... If people don't... This was... 327 00:16:19.909 --> 00:16:23.009 I think this was the origination of that meme because 328 00:16:23.029 --> 00:16:26.019 you see it all over, you know, like UFO social media. 329 00:16:26.039 --> 00:16:29.759 People are trying to bring Dan Burrish back and Phil Schneider, too. 330 00:16:30.019 --> 00:16:33.200 But yeah, he was this guy that was I think 331 00:16:33.259 --> 00:16:36.620 it was Carrie Cassidy for people that remember Carrie Cassidy 332 00:16:36.779 --> 00:16:40.450 still exists from Project Camelot. Her and Bill Ryan. And 333 00:16:40.570 --> 00:16:43.950 they sort of were the ones that found him, quote unquote. 334 00:16:44.669 --> 00:16:47.149 And he said he'd been working for Project Looking Glass, 335 00:16:47.210 --> 00:16:50.549 which was this kind of like it was the some 336 00:16:50.629 --> 00:16:52.769

sort of technology that allowed you to see into the 337 00:16:52.870 --> 00:16:56.529 past and the future. Similar to that whole trope of 338 00:16:56.580 --> 00:16:58.960 the one how the Vatican had one and, you know, 339 00:16:59.240 --> 00:17:03.620 could see the crucifixion. It's popped up a few times. 340 00:17:03.639 --> 00:17:05.119 But anyway, that was a story that he told. And 341 00:17:05.160 --> 00:17:07.549 he said that. He was, you know, friends with a 342 00:17:07.609 --> 00:17:12.869 captured alien, a captured gray, who was named J-Rod, like J-Rod. 343 00:17:13.009 --> 00:17:13.769 Okay. 344 00:17:13.890 --> 00:17:16.069 Like a hip-hop, you know, MC's name. 345 00:17:16.950 --> 00:17:19.119 Well, you said J-Rod. I'm like, is this some pop 346 00:17:19.180 --> 00:17:19.980 personality I'm. 347 00:17:19.960 --> 00:17:20.440 Not familiar with? 348 00:17:20.460 --> 00:17:21.099 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 349 00:17:21.180 --> 00:17:24.980 No, no, no. And, yeah, so as far as I 350 00:17:25.140 --> 00:17:27.720 can tell from being somebody who's followed this for a 351 00:17:27.759 --> 00:17:32.740 really long time, beyond any, you know, mirroring of that 352 00:17:32.859 --> 00:17:36.609 whole Project Looking Glass thing, no pun intended, to stuff 353 00:17:36.630 --> 00:17:38.970 that was out earlier. I think Dan Burrage was the 354 00:17:39.250 --> 00:17:41.890 generator of the, uh, or the J was the person 355 00:17:41.910 --> 00:17:45.170 who generated J rod, or he stole it from, you know, 356 00:17:45.490 --> 00:17:48.009 somebody's post on a obscure message board. 357 00:17:48.049 --> 00:17:48.349 Right. 358 00:17:48.549 --> 00:17:51.619 Yeah. He was, uh, it's if people who are into the, 359 00:17:51.690 --> 00:17:56.799 the weird history of like post 2001, uh, UFO message boards, 360 00:17:57.099 --> 00:18:00.279 he was a interesting one, but he also, people did 361 00:18:00.319 --> 00:18:01.940 research into him and it found out that he was 362 00:18:01.980 --> 00:18:05.160 like a, blackjack dealer named Dan crane who worked in Vegas. 363 00:18:05.380 --> 00:18:05.859 Shocking. 364 00:18:06.019 --> 00:18:07.160 Yeah. Yeah. 365 00:18:07.559 --> 00:18:10.849 Um, there was project Camelot. I think the first time 366 00:18:10.880 --> 00:18:13.529 I had heard anything from them might've been Graham Hancock 367 00:18:13.869 --> 00:18:15.230 on there and it was fine. 368 00:18:15.710 --> 00:18:19.029 They had some cool stuff on there. I mean, you know, and, uh, 369 00:18:19.109 --> 00:18:22.960 Bill Ryan still has a tremendous library of, uh, uh, 370 00:18:23.319 --> 00:18:27.990 You know, probably some are not exactly copyright free, but 371 00:18:28.069 --> 00:18:30.710 there's like a great esoteric library that he keeps for 372 00:18:30.769 --> 00:18:33.920 people online, you know, to find stuff. There's some bad 373 00:18:34.000 --> 00:18:34.779 stuff in there, too. 374 00:18:35.180 --> 00:18:39.099 Well, sure. The thing is, they had Andrew Collins on. 375 00:18:39.279 --> 00:18:39.920 They did, yes. 376 00:18:40.000 --> 00:18:41.460 And I was like, oh, let me, you know, I 377 00:18:41.680 --> 00:18:43.380 love Andrew Collins. I want to hear, you know, and 378 00:18:43.400 --> 00:18:44.960 this is before I was doing Where Did the Road Go? 379 00:18:45.240 --> 00:18:49.829 And she kept saying basically that we have proof of extraterrestrials. 380 00:18:49.950 --> 00:18:52.849 And Andrew's just like, no, we don't. And he's just 381 00:18:52.970 --> 00:18:55.170 shutting her down every time she tries to push it 382 00:18:55.210 --> 00:18:58.579 that way. Because Andrew just kind of does that. Like, 383 00:18:58.619 --> 00:18:59.839 he's not going to just. 384 00:18:59.720 --> 00:19:02.980 Go along with it. Yeah, he doesn't settle for any BS. 385 00:19:03.220 --> 00:19:04.759 Yeah, he's not going to humor the person. 386 00:19:04.980 --> 00:19:05.319 Right. 387 00:19:05.700 --> 00:19:07.660 And she's like, but we have proof. He's like, show 388 00:19:07.720 --> 00:19:09.740 it to me. I have never seen proof of this. 389 00:19:10.009 --> 00:19:12.170 And she's like, oh, well, we have it, you know. 390 00:19:12.630 --> 00:19:14.990 She's something else. Yeah. 391 00:19:15.650 --> 00:19:18.049 And I was like, wow, this is an interview that 392 00:19:18.069 --> 00:19:21.069 was interesting to listen to, but not in a good way. Yeah, yeah. 393 00:19:22.849 --> 00:19:27.349 I mean, props to Andrew, but man, that was... Yeah, no, I. 394 00:19:27.349 --> 00:19:29.400 Think it was Bill Ryan that was the guy that 395 00:19:29.599 --> 00:19:31.220 got sent the Serpo stuff, too. 396 00:19:31.819 --> 00:19:32.200 Oh, okay. 397 00:19:32.380 --> 00:19:34.700 Yeah, he was the one for that. There's a lot 398 00:19:34.799 --> 00:19:37.299 that came through them. 399 00:19:37.339 --> 00:19:41.420 There is a lot of I want to believe out there, 400 00:19:41.569 --> 00:19:43.849 and they have a very specific view of what they 401 00:19:43.890 --> 00:19:47.450 want to believe, and very little concept of what actually 402 00:19:47.509 --> 00:19:51.359 constitutes proof, and that goes back to disclosure. Like, what 403 00:19:51.390 --> 00:19:53.839 could they give us that's actual proof? 404 00:19:54.180 --> 00:19:54.619 Right. 405 00:19:55.019 --> 00:19:58.960 Like, I mean, short of having a gray come out 406 00:19:59.000 --> 00:20:02.640 and make a public appearance, you know, like, what else? 407 00:20:03.119 --> 00:20:08.089 What kind of proof could we have? You know? Because video, audio, 408 00:20:08.140 --> 00:20:10.029 none of that stuff really matters today. 409 00:20:10.190 --> 00:20:15.710 Yeah. Even if you showed me an operable flying disc, 410 00:20:16.730 --> 00:20:19.309 I would just assume that, well, yeah, you guys made that. 411 00:20:19.509 --> 00:20:24.250 Yeah, exactly. We would need a biological creature that we 412 00:20:24.289 --> 00:20:27.470 could literally go and touch, basically. 413

00:20:27.750 --> 00:20:28.150 Yeah. 414 00:20:28.410 --> 00:20:30.410 And even then, you could say, but did you make 415 00:20:30.430 --> 00:20:31.130 this in a lab? 416 00:20:31.299 --> 00:20:31.970 Well, exactly. 417 00:20:32.019 --> 00:20:33.299 I was going to say, that would be the first 418 00:20:33.319 --> 00:20:37.759 place my mind would go to. It's like, well, is it? Or. 419 00:20:39.680 --> 00:20:42.480 And, and this, this is like, they've cried wolf so 420 00:20:42.500 --> 00:20:45.529 many times that nobody is ever going to, you know, 421 00:20:45.549 --> 00:20:47.029 like some people are going to believe it if it 422 00:20:47.089 --> 00:20:48.190 fits their belief system. 423 00:20:48.569 --> 00:20:51.609 Well, I think, yeah, I mean, I think it's, it's changed. Like, 424 00:20:51.630 --> 00:20:53.549 and this was one of the questions that I had 425 00:20:54.099 --> 00:20:57.240 that I'd been thinking up for today's show is, you know, 426 00:20:57.339 --> 00:21:02.170 what is the next, like, evolution of the ufo i 427 00:21:02.490 --> 00:21:05.880 guess zeitgeist because right now i feel like it's a 428 00:21:05.960 --> 00:21:08.740 very i mean you still have some of the love 429 00:21:08.779 --> 00:21:11.900 and light out there in the fringes uh but even 430 00:21:11.920 --> 00:21:15.880 the with the conferences it's going more and more into 431 00:21:15.920 --> 00:21:18.920 this sort of tech oriented we talked about this before 432 00:21:18.960 --> 00:21:24.890 like silicon valley and tech oriented, slightly militaristic, you know, 433 00:21:25.009 --> 00:21:29.170 using a lot of military jargon. And, you know, for 434 00:21:29.190 --> 00:21:32.170 the most part, it seems to be, you know, catering 435 00:21:32.250 --> 00:21:34.569 to a lot of people who would identify as right 436 00:21:34.609 --> 00:21:38.630 wing or conservative culturally. And I'm just curious, you know, 437 00:21:38.710 --> 00:21:41.089 like we even changed the names even just now UAP, 438 00:21:41.150 --> 00:21:41.950 not UFO. 439 00:21:42.079 --> 00:21:42.619 Right. 440 00:21:42.670 --> 00:21:45.380 So like, what is the next evolution? Like, where does 441 00:21:45.460 --> 00:21:47.799 it go from here? And we also trust the government, 442 00:21:47.940 --> 00:21:48.599 you know? Right. 443 00:21:48.660 --> 00:21:48.859 Right. 444 00:21:50.440 --> 00:21:55.150 Well, you know, oh my gosh. So, you know, we 445 00:21:55.190 --> 00:21:56.809 talked about the soft line and, you know, I have 446 00:21:56.849 --> 00:21:59.190 my own story about that. We'll probably throw in the Patreon. 447 00:21:59.230 --> 00:21:59.630 Yeah, yeah. 448 00:22:00.190 --> 00:22:03.789 You know, like when Diana Pasolka's book came out a 449 00:22:03.829 --> 00:22:05.930 couple of years ago, you know, and she was hanging 450 00:22:06.009 --> 00:22:07.930 out with all these tech bros that she was very 451 00:22:07.970 --> 00:22:12.210 enamored with that were very obsessed with UAP and, you know, 452 00:22:12.450 --> 00:22:14.390 kind of thinking the next breakthrough was going to come 453 00:22:14.470 --> 00:22:15.809 from that technology. 454 00:22:15.829 --> 00:22:17.309 Right. 455 00:22:17.390 --> 00:22:18.609 You know, assuming it exists, right? 456 00:22:18.630 --> 00:22:19.650 Yeah. 457 00:22:20.210 --> 00:22:22.779 You know, what we were talking about last week and 458 00:22:22.900 --> 00:22:26.339 just in our, on the Slack about, uh, like, you know, 459 00:22:26.380 --> 00:22:30.200 if you told me there were two billionaires hiring, you know, 460 00:22:30.259 --> 00:22:33.970 contractors to go find a supposed, you know, bits of 461 00:22:33.990 --> 00:22:36.369 a crash and they got into a firefight with each 462 00:22:36.430 --> 00:22:38.430 other or something like that because they were fighting over 463 00:22:38.470 --> 00:22:42.599 who got the stuff. I wouldn't even be that shocked anymore. Right. 464 00:22:42.839 --> 00:22:43.859 You know, if that happened. 465 00:22:44.339 --> 00:22:44.859 Yeah. 466 00:22:44.880 --> 00:22:47.390 Um, Not saying they're actually going to find something, but 467 00:22:47.509 --> 00:22:51.190 because these guys are so narcissistic about this stuff that 468 00:22:51.210 --> 00:22:53.569 they would just pay people and tell them to shoot 469 00:22:53.609 --> 00:22:58.210 the other guys because they needed it for themselves that much. Sure. 470 00:22:59.029 --> 00:23:03.529 Yeah, just on the chance that there could be something there. Yes, yes. 471 00:23:03.809 --> 00:23:07.579 Yeah. And I think it really is for monetization. I mean, 472 00:23:07.619 --> 00:23:12.000 whether or not that was anything but a PSYOP or 473 00:23:12.279 --> 00:23:14.960 whatever you want to call it, the whole Corso thing, 474 00:23:15.589 --> 00:23:18.490 narrative of roswell how like all right this is where 475 00:23:18.529 --> 00:23:23.250 we got transistors from you know that seeped pretty far 476 00:23:23.309 --> 00:23:25.509 into the minds of some people and i don't wonder 477 00:23:25.609 --> 00:23:29.490 if there aren't some silicon valley millionaires and billionaires who 478 00:23:29.710 --> 00:23:31.980 even if it there is no truth to it convince 479 00:23:32.039 --> 00:23:34.900 themselves that that's the case so they're you know they're 480 00:23:34.920 --> 00:23:36.880 spending their money on it oh. 481 00:23:36.859 --> 00:23:39.640 I think so i think that happens. 482 00:23:39.480 --> 00:23:42.720 Yeah wasn't velcro one of those things. 483 00:23:42.500 --> 00:23:48.829 Too Yeah, it was like Velcro, transistors. I don't know. 484 00:23:48.869 --> 00:23:52.329 There's a whole list of stuff. Yeah, yeah. I think Velcro. 485 00:23:52.349 --> 00:23:54.930 Either that or Velcro was something that was invented as 486 00:23:54.970 --> 00:23:56.130 part of the space program. 487 00:23:56.150 --> 00:24:01.930 Something about like circuits or something like that, you know? Yeah, yeah. 488 00:24:02.190 -->

00:24:05.279 And the thing is you can follow the technological lines 489 00:24:05.359 --> 00:24:07.819 that lead to all these things, you know? 490 00:24:07.839 --> 00:24:11.440 Sure. And a lot of times there are within those, 491 00:24:11.509 --> 00:24:15.069 there are these moments. And this has been documented in 492 00:24:15.130 --> 00:24:19.410 several books where people like Tesla will have and Einstein 493 00:24:19.430 --> 00:24:22.750 will have these moments of clarity or these moments of 494 00:24:22.809 --> 00:24:25.750 inspiration where something comes to them in a way that 495 00:24:25.809 --> 00:24:30.509 does seem almost supernatural. And some of our great inventions 496 00:24:30.589 --> 00:24:32.950 did come this way. And yes, they were through humans 497 00:24:32.990 --> 00:24:37.059 that were scientists that then developed the idea of But 498 00:24:37.430 --> 00:24:40.539 there is something, you know, it wasn't all just like, 499 00:24:40.660 --> 00:24:45.829 you know, grinding, crunching numbers, though that is part of it. 500 00:24:45.880 --> 00:24:48.480 There was a lot of inspiration. And, you know, some 501 00:24:48.519 --> 00:24:51.170 people that were, you know, talk about going into these 502 00:24:51.369 --> 00:24:54.009 almost like fugue states and they come out with the answer. 503 00:24:54.349 --> 00:24:57.390 And both Einstein and Tesla tended to run a lot 504 00:24:57.430 --> 00:25:03.559 of thought experiments, especially Einstein. He wasn't like a traditional 505 00:25:03.660 --> 00:25:07.609 scientist by any means. And he was willing to accept 506 00:25:07.829 --> 00:25:10.269 alternative ideas and look at them, which is what we 507 00:25:10.309 --> 00:25:10.970 should be doing. 508 00:25:11.190 --> 00:25:11.349 Yeah. 509 00:25:11.390 --> 00:25:14.140 I mean, hey, he invented rock and roll and beer 510 00:25:14.319 --> 00:25:19.220 in Australia. That's a niche joke for anybody that hasn't 511 00:25:19.279 --> 00:25:22.990 seen the film Yahoo Serious from the early 90s or 512 00:25:23.009 --> 00:25:23.259 late 80s. 513 00:25:24.329 --> 00:25:25.230 Young Einstein. 514 00:25:25.529 --> 00:25:29.589 Young Einstein with Yahoo. Sorry, Young Einstein with the Australian 515 00:25:29.650 --> 00:25:34.150 comedian Yahoo Sirius, who rewrote Einstein's story to, it was 516 00:25:34.190 --> 00:25:37.029 kind of like a Weird Al type thing. And Einstein 517 00:25:37.049 --> 00:25:39.569 was from Australia, invented beer and rock and roll. 518 00:25:39.630 --> 00:25:43.210 Beer and rock and roll, yeah. 519 00:25:43.819 --> 00:25:46.359 So, I just lost it. Hang on. It'll come back. 520 00:25:46.539 --> 00:25:47.940 I broke it with Young Einstein. 521 00:25:47.980 --> 00:25:55.230 Probably. No, you reminded me with Young Einstein, but then I'm... Yeah, anyway, so, like, 522 00:25:55.269 --> 00:25:57.529 when we look at, like, movies and the way they 523 00:25:57.549 --> 00:26:02.660 deal with extraterrestrials... Sure. I don't think that we're dealing 524 00:26:02.740 --> 00:26:06.779 with something like Close Encounters. As much as that's a 525 00:26:06.819 --> 00:26:10.369 really good movie, they're not that different from us. You 526 00:26:10.400 --> 00:26:13.049 know what I mean? And I think aliens would be 527 00:26:13.089 --> 00:26:17.910 very different from us. Actual, legitimate, evolved aliens that are 528 00:26:17.950 --> 00:26:20.710 not connected to us would be very different. Now, there 529 00:26:20.750 --> 00:26:23.099 could be a panspermia thing where humans exist in many 530 00:26:23.130 --> 00:26:26.900 places or humanoid creatures exist all over the galaxy. Who knows? 531 00:26:27.420 --> 00:26:30.049 But I think a movie like Contact does a better 532 00:26:30.109 --> 00:26:33.789 job of what actual contact might be like, um, or 533 00:26:33.849 --> 00:26:34.369 a rival. 534 00:26:34.490 --> 00:26:34.650 Yeah. 535 00:26:34.849 --> 00:26:37.359 Yeah. I love contact. I thought that was amazing. 536 00:26:37.690 --> 00:26:39.319 I love that movie so much. Yeah. 537 00:26:39.619 --> 00:26:42.059 And so many people I know hated it because they 538 00:26:42.079 --> 00:26:43.599 were just like, Oh, it was just boring. And it 539 00:26:43.660 --> 00:26:46.180 was just her dad. And it's like, wow, you didn't 540 00:26:46.220 --> 00:26:47.980 get this at all. You know? Right. 541 00:26:48.039 --> 00:26:48.359 Right. 542 00:26:48.460 --> 00:26:49.059 Yeah. 543 00:26:49.819 --> 00:26:52.660 But a rival listeners that haven't go ahead. Sorry. 544 00:26:52.680 --> 00:26:53.160 I'm sorry. 545 00:26:53.420 --> 00:26:55.339 I was going to say, uh, for those spoilers for 546 00:26:55.359 --> 00:26:57.380 the movie and listeners that haven't seen it, like, uh, 547 00:26:58.390 --> 00:27:01.240 Jodie Foster is the lead and through a series of 548 00:27:01.740 --> 00:27:03.470 events that are going on she ends up being the 549 00:27:03.549 --> 00:27:06.420 one chosen to operate this I don't even know if 550 00:27:06.700 --> 00:27:09.660 We want to call it a spacecraft, but technology that 551 00:27:09.700 --> 00:27:12.369 allows you to travel that has been built through. Did 552 00:27:12.589 --> 00:27:15.690 they discover the plans for it or it was being transmitted? 553 00:27:15.710 --> 00:27:18.410 So it was being transmitted. It's basically like takes the 554 00:27:18.490 --> 00:27:22.809 wow signal and makes it like real. So it starts 555 00:27:22.930 --> 00:27:25.250 off with and it's SETI, I think they start off with. 556 00:27:25.309 --> 00:27:27.950 And like a lot of the beginning of the film 557 00:27:28.130 --> 00:27:31.660 takes place at that. giant radio array that was down, 558 00:27:31.880 --> 00:27:33.960 that's now defunct, that was down in like Central or 559 00:27:34.019 --> 00:27:37.690 South America, that famous one. And they shot down there 560 00:27:38.029 --> 00:27:40.410 and like they shot at the SETI array that's in 561 00:27:40.470 -->

00:27:43.269 the desert in the Southwest. And yeah, it was basically like, 562 00:27:43.609 --> 00:27:46.839 you know, extraterrestrials were sending us the signal that They 563 00:27:46.880 --> 00:27:49.700 couldn't figure out how to decode it until they realized 564 00:27:49.740 --> 00:27:53.950 it was like three-dimensional math or something like that. And 565 00:27:54.029 --> 00:27:57.809 then it was essentially these plans to build what they weren't. 566 00:27:57.869 --> 00:28:02.089 It looked like some sort of launcher for a space probe, but, 567 00:28:02.170 --> 00:28:04.990 you know, it didn't actually launch anything. It was like, 568 00:28:05.109 --> 00:28:09.410 you know, it like she went through this experience and 569 00:28:09.430 --> 00:28:11.589 went through all these wormholes. And then when it came back, 570 00:28:11.670 --> 00:28:15.509 they're like, the capsule never left our atmosphere or something 571 00:28:15.529 --> 00:28:15.769 like that. 572 00:28:15.789 --> 00:28:18.910 Right, right, yeah. But it recorded like five hours of data. 573 00:28:19.190 --> 00:28:22.079 Right, but it recorded five hours of data, yeah. So 574 00:28:22.099 --> 00:28:25.599 very mysterious. I mean, it is extraterrestrial, and you know, 575 00:28:26.049 --> 00:28:28.849 When she goes out there, she sees these like amazing 576 00:28:29.289 --> 00:28:34.150 arrays of this, you know, extraterrestrial sort of communication system 577 00:28:34.210 --> 00:28:38.339 out by Orion. But yeah, it's like it's very trippy. And, 578 00:28:38.380 --> 00:28:41.380 you know, I mean, it was Carl Sagan. You know, 579 00:28:41.480 --> 00:28:44.859 he wrote it and he was for all his years. uh, 580 00:28:45.019 --> 00:28:47.380 all his flaws and the things that he did that 581 00:28:47.400 --> 00:28:50.230 were real crappy. Uh, he, you know, was kind of 582 00:28:50.289 --> 00:28:52.630 a dreamer at heart. He was not a, you know, 583 00:28:52.650 --> 00:28:55.390 he was not a completely materialistic person. 584 00:28:55.470 --> 00:28:58.369 He didn't start out as the way, you know, like he, 585 00:28:58.450 --> 00:29:03.099 he evolved into this like, uh, company man, basically like 586 00:29:03.119 --> 00:29:05.400 total lie. Like he wasn't like that at first. 587 00:29:05.599 --> 00:29:06.559 Yeah. Yeah. 588 00:29:06.579 --> 00:29:08.740 He, you're right. He, he was far more of a 589 00:29:08.799 --> 00:29:09.920 mystic almost. 590 00:29:10.119 --> 00:29:10.519 Yeah. 591 00:29:11.140 --> 00:29:15.579 Yes. You know, through a scientific lens or astronomical. 592 00:29:15.660 --> 00:29:16.019 Yeah. 593 00:29:16.039 --> 00:29:16.319 Yeah. 594 00:29:16.819 --> 00:29:20.119 Yeah. And then over time. 595 00:29:20.140 --> 00:29:20.920 Yeah. 596 00:29:21.049 --> 00:29:23.170 It seemed like I felt like the poor guy just 597 00:29:23.450 --> 00:29:25.329 kind of got beaten down and jaded a little bit. 598 00:29:25.650 --> 00:29:28.549 Yeah, I think so. I mean, anybody who's working within 599 00:29:28.869 --> 00:29:32.890 that system, you know, having experienced, you know, portions of 600 00:29:32.930 --> 00:29:35.630 it myself, it's it's it'll it'll kill you, you know? 601 00:29:35.650 --> 00:29:38.410 Yeah. So let me ask you all this. So this 602 00:29:38.430 --> 00:29:40.630 was one of my questions. and it's a perfect segue 603 00:29:40.670 --> 00:29:44.420 to it. You know, if we're, so this is assuming 604 00:29:44.460 --> 00:29:49.400 there's something like ETH, something that is physical from another 605 00:29:49.640 --> 00:29:53.920 part of the galaxy or universe, whatever. You know, assuming 606 00:29:53.960 --> 00:29:57.099 they're there and they can get to us, why haven't 607 00:29:57.119 --> 00:29:59.859 they tried to contact us yet? Or if they have, 608 00:30:00.180 --> 00:30:01.829 you know, what did that look like? 609 00:30:02.609 --> 00:30:07.630 That's just the thing. I mean, we're looking for signals, 610 00:30:07.950 --> 00:30:10.970 radio signals in space because we have this idea that 611 00:30:11.390 --> 00:30:13.890 all cultures are going to evolve the same way. 612 00:30:14.559 --> 00:30:14.960 Right. 613 00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:17.799 And I mean, even when we look at the distant past, 614 00:30:18.180 --> 00:30:22.349 it'll be like, well, where are the Coke bottles? It's like, what? 615 00:30:22.589 --> 00:30:24.890 You know, like, why would you assume that they would 616 00:30:25.029 --> 00:30:28.250 just end up as a consumerist thing that evolves the 617 00:30:28.309 --> 00:30:29.829 same way we do? Yeah. 618 00:30:29.970 --> 00:30:30.250 Right. 619 00:30:31.349 --> 00:30:35.210 Like, maybe they have tried to contact us. Maybe they 620 00:30:35.359 --> 00:30:38.460 are contacting us in altered states of consciousness. 621 00:30:38.480 --> 00:30:38.680 Right. 622 00:30:40.359 --> 00:30:40.619 Yeah. 623 00:30:40.980 --> 00:30:43.839 You know, I will not rule out that whatever we 624 00:30:43.880 --> 00:30:47.039 are interacting with could be extraterrestrial, just not in the 625 00:30:47.079 --> 00:30:51.720 sense of coming here in spaceships to, you know, it's 626 00:30:51.740 --> 00:30:54.150 definitely a more personal form of communication. 627 00:30:54.710 --> 00:30:54.990 Right. 628 00:30:55.230 --> 00:30:57.549 One idea that I've always thought is interesting is that 629 00:30:57.609 --> 00:31:00.170 it's a little bit of a longer term thing and 630 00:31:00.230 --> 00:31:05.299 that what's happening is that these, you know, extraterrestrial consciousnesses 631 00:31:05.599 --> 00:31:10.609 have somehow gained the ability to communicate direct their reincarnation 632 00:31:10.829 --> 00:31:16.799 and that you're getting reincarnated extraterrestrials that whose previous life 633 00:31:17.299 --> 00:31:20.700 was in a, you know, very different space that it 634 00:31:20.759 --> 00:31:25.599 gives them, you know, in reincarnating into this human body here, 635 00:31:25.980 -->

00:31:29.289 you know, special, like, you know, like Tesla was one 636 00:31:29.329 --> 00:31:32.470 of those or, you know, when this gets thrown around 637 00:31:32.809 --> 00:31:35.089 and that it's not necessarily the, you know, they're coming 638 00:31:35.130 --> 00:31:37.349 here in a spaceship, It's like it's a little bit 639 00:31:37.430 --> 00:31:42.549 more mystical in how the invasion is being done. 640 00:31:44.150 --> 00:31:46.369 And again, if we drop to the Seth material, I 641 00:31:46.410 --> 00:31:50.380 think this is all when Seth speaks. One of the 642 00:31:50.410 --> 00:31:53.579 people in the classes asks him about UFOs. And he says, 643 00:31:53.640 --> 00:31:57.660 what you're seeing is consciousness from another dimension. He's like, 644 00:31:57.779 --> 00:32:01.299 and I'm kind of surprised you can see them. And 645 00:32:01.339 --> 00:32:04.799 then he also states, Seth did not make a lot 646 00:32:04.839 --> 00:32:08.009 of predictions. One of the few predictions he made is 647 00:32:08.049 --> 00:32:13.029 that the first contact we would have with extraterrestrial intelligence 648 00:32:13.069 --> 00:32:15.529 would happen in like 2015 or something like that. And 649 00:32:15.569 --> 00:32:18.039 it would be with someone in Australia. And it would 650 00:32:18.059 --> 00:32:21.160 be through psychic ability. And they would not know that's 651 00:32:21.240 --> 00:32:21.799 what it was. 652 00:32:22.119 --> 00:32:22.339 Yeah. 653 00:32:22.779 --> 00:32:24.819 Yeah. 654 00:32:25.119 --> 00:32:27.960 I assume that it's much more like that, too. And, 655 00:32:28.549 --> 00:32:31.190 you know, I've made a thought experiment about this a lot. 656 00:32:31.789 --> 00:32:34.589 And going back to our earlier conversation about just being 657 00:32:34.670 --> 00:32:36.950 frustrated with the state of the world and sort of 658 00:32:36.970 --> 00:32:41.640 very disillusioned with, you know, our different structures of government and, 659 00:32:41.980 --> 00:32:45.460 you know, how we survive. You know, I think if 660 00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:48.829 you had a pure classic version of the ETH, you know, 661 00:32:49.109 --> 00:32:52.230 literally a astronaut from another planet that shows up at Earth. 662 00:32:53.339 --> 00:32:55.759 I would think if you had that level of technology 663 00:32:55.799 --> 00:32:57.920 and you came by here and were like, wow, these 664 00:32:57.960 --> 00:33:04.019 guys just burn everything. They've got plenty of everything and 665 00:33:04.059 --> 00:33:07.680 they just don't. What are they doing? I think you 666 00:33:07.700 --> 00:33:09.589 would just look at that and be like, yeah, let's 667 00:33:09.660 --> 00:33:12.630 leave them alone for a while. It's not worth us 668 00:33:12.670 --> 00:33:16.329 getting involved there. Because I would assume at a minimum, 669 00:33:16.390 --> 00:33:19.410 if you have achieved faster than light technology, that you 670 00:33:19.569 --> 00:33:22.890 probably have figured out a way to have some kind 671 00:33:22.930 --> 00:33:27.369 of unlimited energy or something that's renewable instead of burning everything, 672 00:33:28.650 --> 00:33:32.730 you know? Um, so anyway, yeah, I, I think that, yeah, 673 00:33:32.849 --> 00:33:35.690 I like that Seth prediction. Um, and I, I do 674 00:33:35.730 --> 00:33:37.750 like the idea, like, I like how Chris is talking 675 00:33:37.769 --> 00:33:40.759 about sort of reincarnating here in different ways. Um, but I, 676 00:33:40.869 --> 00:33:44.490 I do think the slow process of becoming acquainted over 677 00:33:44.549 --> 00:33:47.309 time through different means is, um, you know, on a 678 00:33:47.390 --> 00:33:52.180 one-on-one empathetic basis, as opposed to, uh, you know, aliens 679 00:33:52.240 --> 00:33:53.599 on the White House lawn kind of thing. 680 00:33:53.660 --> 00:33:56.990 Yeah, yeah. There were two things I was going to say. 681 00:33:57.569 --> 00:34:00.529 One of them was, you said, you know, have mastered 682 00:34:00.710 --> 00:34:03.529 going faster than light, but we don't really know that 683 00:34:03.569 --> 00:34:07.349 that's a limitation that a different technology would have to 684 00:34:07.369 --> 00:34:07.750 deal with. 685 00:34:08.590 --> 00:34:11.940 Well, you're right. You're right. And I even thought about that, 686 00:34:12.260 --> 00:34:14.500 you know, just like we were talking about Tesla earlier. 687 00:34:14.780 --> 00:34:16.920 It may be easier to do that, but we just 688 00:34:16.960 --> 00:34:20.460 have gone down a different path because of capitalism. 689 00:34:20.480 --> 00:34:20.579 Right. 690 00:34:22.050 --> 00:34:24.829 Or just the way we're thinking about things, too. 691 00:34:24.909 --> 00:34:26.469 Right. 692 00:34:26.610 --> 00:34:31.460 There may be a travel workaround that is not a limitation. 693 00:34:31.500 --> 00:34:35.239 And we're also assuming that physics works the same way everywhere. 694 00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:35.719 Yeah. 695 00:34:36.360 --> 00:34:38.719 And as we look out into space, we're going, why 696 00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:41.460 is that doing that? That doesn't fit with what we 697 00:34:41.480 --> 00:34:45.389 know about physics. And scientists have been wondering, are the 698 00:34:45.429 --> 00:34:49.730 laws of physics consistent throughout the universe? And it's very 699 00:34:49.769 --> 00:34:50.710 possible they're not. 700 00:34:50.730 --> 00:34:50.909 Right. 701 00:34:51.539 --> 00:34:52.099 Yeah. 702 00:34:52.599 --> 00:34:54.260 And then what do you do with that? Because, I mean, 703 00:34:54.280 --> 00:34:56.099 we're at a fishbowl, basically, looking out. 704 00:34:56.519 --> 00:34:59.659 Or they change over time. And what part of the 705 00:34:59.760 --> 00:35:00.559 universe we're in. 706 00:35:00.579 --> 00:35:02.840 Oh, yeah. Yeah. 707 00:35:03.119 --> 00:35:06.559 Because it would be harder, like, if you had the 708 00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:09.780 ability to understand

physics operated differently somewhere, you could at 709 00:35:09.800 --> 00:35:12.239 least plan for what you encountered as you got over there. 710 00:35:12.329 --> 00:35:14.489 But if it changed over time, you know, you've got 711 00:35:14.590 --> 00:35:16.170 other variables at that point, too. 712 00:35:17.349 --> 00:35:17.590 Hmm. 713 00:35:18.070 --> 00:35:19.909 Um... I'm trying to remember what the other comment I 714 00:35:19.929 --> 00:35:21.309 was just going to make, but I lost it. I 715 00:35:21.349 --> 00:35:26.309 lost the road. The other thing I see a lot 716 00:35:26.369 --> 00:35:29.889 with the pop culture around this stuff is the change 717 00:35:29.949 --> 00:35:32.940 from the ETH to the interdimensional. So the people who 718 00:35:32.980 --> 00:35:35.980 think they're really with it are like, I think they're interdimensional. 719 00:35:36.099 --> 00:35:39.019 And it's like, okay, first of all, this is not new. 720 00:35:39.440 --> 00:35:40.440 I know you think it's new. 721 00:35:40.460 --> 00:35:40.539 Yeah. 722 00:35:41.150 --> 00:35:44.889 Second of all, what does that even really mean? Are 723 00:35:44.929 --> 00:35:48.699 you talking about like dimensions that we can't see? Or 724 00:35:49.139 --> 00:35:52.800 are you talking about like parallel realities? 725 00:35:53.360 --> 00:35:57.340 Right. I think most people are talking about parallel realities, 726 00:35:57.579 --> 00:36:00.280 but at the same time, they conflate that with this 727 00:36:00.389 --> 00:36:05.429 idea of interpenetrating other dimensions or vibrations that are right 728 00:36:05.610 --> 00:36:10.070 alongside ours that, you know, we're, you know, somehow bleeding 729 00:36:10.150 --> 00:36:13.400 through to. Which, honestly, because we don't know anything about 730 00:36:13.480 --> 00:36:16.440 any of this, that could be the exact same thing. Right, right. 731 00:36:16.519 --> 00:36:18.519 That's true. If any of it even exists. 732 00:36:20.079 --> 00:36:21.199 Exactly, yes. 733 00:36:21.619 --> 00:36:23.469 I mean, it does... Go ahead. 734 00:36:24.389 --> 00:36:26.050 No, go, go. Please say what you were going to say. 735 00:36:26.250 --> 00:36:27.510 Yeah, I was just going to say, but it does 736 00:36:27.550 --> 00:36:32.130 have that same effect of, like, once quantum got used 737 00:36:32.170 --> 00:36:35.150 to describe everything. Oh, yeah. Right. You know, it's like, well, 738 00:36:35.190 --> 00:36:37.099 I'll just say it's interdimensional now. 739 00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:38.320 Yes, yes. 740 00:36:38.559 --> 00:36:38.880 Yeah. 741 00:36:39.340 --> 00:36:43.019 I mean, quantum physics has some interesting stuff going on 742 00:36:43.059 --> 00:36:45.940 that they don't fully understand, but that doesn't mean we 743 00:36:46.260 --> 00:36:50.650 get to apply that openness to every single thing. And 744 00:36:50.690 --> 00:36:52.789 it doesn't mean it's wrong either. It's just, we don't 745 00:36:52.829 --> 00:36:57.130 understand any

of this stuff enough to, to just say, 746 00:36:57.289 --> 00:36:59.429 Oh yeah, this is what's going on. We don't know that. 747 00:37:00.010 --> 00:37:00.250 Right. 748 00:37:00.409 --> 00:37:03.630 And that stops us from asking more questions because now 749 00:37:03.670 --> 00:37:06.880 we think we got the answer. It's just quantum entanglement. 750 00:37:07.050 --> 00:37:11.659 It's like, Okay, yes, quantum entanglement is very interesting. Because, again, 751 00:37:11.699 --> 00:37:14.940 when you're talking faster than light, quantum entanglement is not 752 00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:19.789 restricted by the speed of light. Right. Which means we 753 00:37:19.829 --> 00:37:22.809 could communicate across the galaxy if we found a way 754 00:37:22.849 --> 00:37:27.909 to quantumly entangle two computers or communication devices. I mean, 755 00:37:27.929 --> 00:37:31.429 I think Whitley Streber came up with that idea. Because 756 00:37:31.659 --> 00:37:34.960 since everything happens instantaneously with the particles, but, of course, 757 00:37:35.000 --> 00:37:37.400 the minute you measure the particles, you change them. 758 00:37:37.719 --> 00:37:37.920 Yeah. 759 00:37:38.829 --> 00:37:47.849 So it's very complicated, but it's potentially a major technological 760 00:37:47.989 --> 00:37:50.519 upgrade if we can ever figure out any of it. 761 00:37:51.949 --> 00:37:54.159 I mean, they talk about quantum computers all the time, 762 00:37:54.219 --> 00:37:57.000 but I'm not sure that they have anything that's truly 763 00:37:57.059 --> 00:37:58.300 a quantum computer yet. 764 00:37:59.119 --> 00:38:02.460 I don't think so. Well, no, that's not true. I 765 00:38:02.539 --> 00:38:05.900 think I have heard that they do, but I really 766 00:38:05.960 --> 00:38:11.289 don't understand yet how that's been utilized to create any 767 00:38:11.329 --> 00:38:12.730 sort of meaningful results. 768 00:38:14.340 --> 00:38:16.539 Right. I wouldn't know enough to comment one way or 769 00:38:16.559 --> 00:38:19.800 the other, honestly, but you know, when they start talking 770 00:38:19.860 --> 00:38:22.880 about it, it seems like the ability when I've seen 771 00:38:22.940 --> 00:38:25.920 it referred to as like, you know, passwords would be 772 00:38:26.239 --> 00:38:28.610 obsolete because it would just be able to get into anything. And, 773 00:38:28.739 --> 00:38:31.750 you know, it's never really helpful information for me to 774 00:38:31.809 --> 00:38:33.710 understand what they're meaning, you know? 775 00:38:35.099 --> 00:38:36.760 And that would be because it could do all the 776 00:38:36.820 --> 00:38:39.599 computations in an instant. So something that would take a 777 00:38:39.659 --> 00:38:43.579 normal computer years or decades could be done instantaneously in 778 00:38:43.619 --> 00:38:44.449 a quantum state. 779 00:38:44.659 --> 00:38:48.190 Right, right. And then, you know, I'll see often things 780 00:38:48.230 --> 00:38:50.349 about cooling and

the amount of energy and stuff like that, 781 00:38:50.409 --> 00:38:52.150 but it's also like, well, it doesn't really tell me 782 00:38:52.190 --> 00:38:54.349 how it operates or what you're trying to. 783 00:38:54.769 --> 00:38:54.929 Yeah. 784 00:38:55.170 --> 00:38:58.630 So they store and manipulate information into qubits, which I knew, 785 00:38:59.409 --> 00:39:02.230 using quantum effects such as superposition and entanglement. 786 00:39:02.449 --> 00:39:03.880 Hmm. Um. 787 00:39:04.909 --> 00:39:10.489 So they're working on quantum processors that do narrowly defined 788 00:39:10.590 --> 00:39:16.639 tasks that are difficult to simulate classically. So it says 789 00:39:16.679 --> 00:39:21.519 a genuine quantum computer must physically control qubits, apply quantum 790 00:39:21.679 --> 00:39:26.329 operations to them, and measure their results. Not merely simulate 791 00:39:26.449 --> 00:39:28.530 quantum behavior on an ordinary computer. 792 00:39:28.570 --> 00:39:29.050 Right, yeah. 793 00:39:29.070 --> 00:39:34.559 So current measurements. achieve that. So they are not true 794 00:39:34.679 --> 00:39:37.260 quantum computers yet. At least that we're aware of. I mean, 795 00:39:37.280 --> 00:39:42.820 they may have one. Who knows? But I think we 796 00:39:42.860 --> 00:39:46.579 haven't quite cracked that egg yet. We have an idea 797 00:39:46.599 --> 00:39:48.480 of what we want to do with it in the future. 798 00:39:49.119 --> 00:39:52.059 And stuff like that, but we don't, we can't really 799 00:39:52.219 --> 00:39:53.000 utilize it yet. 800 00:39:53.179 --> 00:39:53.400 Yeah. 801 00:39:54.380 --> 00:39:58.300 It's more like simulation. It's faster, it's better, but it's 802 00:39:58.360 --> 00:40:00.300 not a true quantum computer. 803 00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:03.590 No. Okay. 804 00:40:03.610 --> 00:40:05.670 The, like, okay, so when we deal with, like, the 805 00:40:05.710 --> 00:40:09.070 interdimensional concept, the stuff John Keel talks about and the 806 00:40:09.110 --> 00:40:12.269 stuff I lean toward, which is that our brain does 807 00:40:12.349 --> 00:40:15.230 not perceive the full spectrum of what's around us. Mm-hmm. 808 00:40:16.179 --> 00:40:18.739 We have tools that can measure some of it, but 809 00:40:19.000 --> 00:40:20.920 there could be more of it that we don't even 810 00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:23.079 know is there to make tools to measure. This is 811 00:40:23.139 --> 00:40:27.860 the thing. So, like, we know infrared exists, but someone 812 00:40:27.880 --> 00:40:31.699 in the 1200s did not know infrared exists. So they 813 00:40:31.739 --> 00:40:36.030 could not make a machine to detect infrared without knowing 814 00:40:36.090 --> 00:40:37.389 there was something to detect. 815 00:40:38.449 --> 00:40:38.670 Right. 816 00:40:38.849 --> 00:40:41.769 So this stuff could exist in a state that is 817 00:40:42.070 --> 00:40:46.940 outside of our senses. Right. except under certain circumstances. And 818 00:40:47.559 --> 00:40:50.880 I would accept that as a reasonable supposition. I'm not 819 00:40:50.900 --> 00:40:53.480 saying that's what it is, but at least it's something 820 00:40:53.519 --> 00:40:56.420 we can say, yes, this is a thing. You know, 821 00:40:56.460 --> 00:40:59.820 like we do not perceive everything. Our brain acts as 822 00:40:59.880 --> 00:41:04.639 a filter. Everything we know about perception does not disqualify 823 00:41:04.679 --> 00:41:09.139 this as a possibility. Whereas like ETH, I mean, it 824 00:41:09.239 --> 00:41:11.880 seems like there's a big universe out there Unless it 825 00:41:11.920 --> 00:41:15.719 was made just for us, there's probably life elsewhere in 826 00:41:15.780 --> 00:41:19.090 the universe. But it doesn't mean it's coming here. Because, again, 827 00:41:19.130 --> 00:41:22.630 the universe is huge in levels that we can't even 828 00:41:22.670 --> 00:41:26.449 wrap our brains around. And as far as interdimensional, that's 829 00:41:26.550 --> 00:41:30.170 assuming there are parallel dimensions for them to come from. 830 00:41:31.389 --> 00:41:34.099 You know, like we don't know if that's really a thing. 831 00:41:34.789 --> 00:41:39.989 It's a great idea, but it is unverifiable in any way. 832 00:41:40.030 --> 00:41:42.360 Like we can't even the, the, the base notion of, 833 00:41:42.820 --> 00:41:46.019 are there other dimensions? We don't know. So I think 834 00:41:46.059 --> 00:41:49.079 that that makes it like, you're just trading one unknown 835 00:41:49.159 --> 00:41:52.780 for another with ET and interdimensional. Like you're not like, yes. When, 836 00:41:52.940 --> 00:41:55.960 when people like valet and, and keel came up with this, 837 00:41:56.199 --> 00:41:58.320 they did it in a way that furthered the way 838 00:41:58.360 --> 00:42:00.820 we think about this stuff. They widened the way we 839 00:42:00.860 --> 00:42:03.190 think about this stuff. But when it's presented today, it's, 840 00:42:03.900 --> 00:42:06.400 It's kind of like you're just trading one assumption for another. 841 00:42:06.539 --> 00:42:07.719 Yeah, very much so. 842 00:42:08.360 --> 00:42:11.420 And it doesn't mean anything. The other one that comes 843 00:42:11.500 --> 00:42:13.719 up a lot, and I mean, this is just one 844 00:42:13.739 --> 00:42:16.250 of those things. Again, we don't know anything about this, 845 00:42:16.269 --> 00:42:20.409 is when you hear, oh, they're travelers from the future. Right, right. 846 00:42:20.570 --> 00:42:24.190 And it's like, okay, well, we don't know. And this 847 00:42:24.389 --> 00:42:26.329 ends up at infinity when you think about it. Like, 848 00:42:26.550 --> 00:42:28.989 we don't know what time is. We can measure it. 849 00:42:29.079 --> 00:42:30.880 We can feel it. But we don't actually know what 850 00:42:30.940 --> 00:42:34.579 it is. And when you keep expanding that outward, it's like, okay, well, 851 00:42:34.599 --> 00:42:36.760 we don't really know what

reality is. We don't know 852 00:42:36.800 --> 00:42:39.070 what we are. We don't know what the universe is. 853 00:42:39.800 --> 00:42:42.750 When you look at, like, you basically have two options 854 00:42:42.789 --> 00:42:46.469 for why we're here. Like, you have the materialistic version, 855 00:42:46.510 --> 00:42:50.030 which is nothing exploded one day and created the universe. 856 00:42:50.250 --> 00:42:53.250 Or the religious one, which is God created the universe. And, 857 00:42:53.349 --> 00:42:56.070 I mean, every religion basically has a God that creates 858 00:42:56.090 --> 00:43:01.210 the universe. It's like, okay, but where did God come from? Right. 859 00:43:01.409 --> 00:43:04.829 Or where did the nothing that exploded come from? What's 860 00:43:04.869 --> 00:43:06.889 the joke? Give us one free miracle and we can 861 00:43:06.929 --> 00:43:08.610 explain it. Explain the rest. 862 00:43:08.969 --> 00:43:12.230 Yeah. The other thing, too, is that, you know, this idea, 863 00:43:12.250 --> 00:43:15.230 I think people are way too caught up in this 864 00:43:15.349 --> 00:43:18.570 idea of God being an individual in the way that 865 00:43:18.639 --> 00:43:20.559 we think of ourselves as individuals. 866 00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:21.239 Right. 867 00:43:21.260 --> 00:43:23.039 And, you know, part of that is the fact that 868 00:43:23.099 --> 00:43:26.000 obviously there have been these, you know, many people. not many, 869 00:43:26.059 --> 00:43:29.460 but a handful of people, individuals over, you know, the 870 00:43:30.099 --> 00:43:34.389 centuries that have been prophets or scions of, you know, 871 00:43:34.449 --> 00:43:37.929 some creator that, you know, have been individuals. Now, I 872 00:43:38.030 --> 00:43:40.500 think that, you know, my interpretation of that, and this 873 00:43:40.519 --> 00:43:43.170 is just me, is that I think that it's very 874 00:43:43.230 --> 00:43:46.489 likely that some of those people, if not many of them, 875 00:43:46.610 --> 00:43:50.449 were telling the truth, but it was more like any 876 00:43:50.510 --> 00:43:56.800 of us have the capability, depending on circumstances, of attaining that, 877 00:43:56.960 --> 00:43:59.039 and this is something that you even heard lots of 878 00:43:59.079 --> 00:44:04.840 them say, including Jesus, attaining that same state of understanding 879 00:44:04.880 --> 00:44:08.119 or being connected to the totality of all that is. 880 00:44:08.179 --> 00:44:11.170 And this idea of God being some sort of, thinking 881 00:44:11.329 --> 00:44:15.429 being that is intentionally being like, I'm going to create 882 00:44:15.570 --> 00:44:18.269 this and then I'm going to create this, just like 883 00:44:18.389 --> 00:44:21.250 any of us would like start a business is very, 884 00:44:21.329 --> 00:44:25.329 you know, the alien nature of how that intelligence, if 885 00:44:25.389 --> 00:44:30.369 there is some, you know, larger intelligence that we sit within, 886 00:44:30.389 --> 00:44:34.449 the alienness of how things might work for it, you know, 887 00:44:34.570 --> 00:44:37.639 that is if it even is something consciously that's being done. 888 00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:40.949 I mean, the idea of, god or whatever you want 889 00:44:40.969 --> 00:44:44.329 to call it the supreme being being essentially asleep or 890 00:44:44.409 --> 00:44:47.429 unconscious and that this is a dream is i think 891 00:44:47.469 --> 00:44:51.429 a very powerful thing beyond its poetry because that is 892 00:44:51.590 --> 00:44:55.250 you know very different than a a god that is 893 00:44:55.530 --> 00:44:57.789 you know creating things in the way that like your 894 00:44:57.829 --> 00:45:00.869 dad would which is yeah it's not what's going on 895 00:45:00.929 --> 00:45:04.230 but a lot of people still i think feel that's 896 00:45:04.269 --> 00:45:06.550 what you're talking about that that's what it is you 897 00:45:06.570 --> 00:45:08.880 know It might be so in the same way that 898 00:45:09.000 --> 00:45:11.599 aliens might be so alien, I might not understand them, 899 00:45:11.639 --> 00:45:14.269 you know, the way that the universe thinks and acts and, 900 00:45:14.389 --> 00:45:17.150 you know, things, you know, are set in motion might 901 00:45:17.210 --> 00:45:19.949 be so alien to us that we couldn't even understand 902 00:45:19.969 --> 00:45:23.070 it in the way that we understand our own linear 903 00:45:23.110 --> 00:45:23.820 cause and effect. 904 00:45:24.550 --> 00:45:27.130 And as much as I hate keeping going back to 905 00:45:27.190 --> 00:45:31.820 the same thing, when it comes to Seth, Seth talked about, 906 00:45:32.079 --> 00:45:34.639 he called it the all that is. And one of 907 00:45:34.659 --> 00:45:37.039 the things I liked about the Seth material is Seth 908 00:45:37.099 --> 00:45:39.360 did not claim to know anything or be omniscient in 909 00:45:39.420 --> 00:45:42.280 any way. He was just talking from a different perspective. 910 00:45:43.079 --> 00:45:44.989 And he said, you know, the all that is is 911 00:45:45.070 --> 00:45:49.050 literally everything. It is a field of consciousness that permeates everything. 912 00:45:49.110 --> 00:45:51.869 Everything is connected, which is very interesting. you know, Vedic 913 00:45:52.010 --> 00:45:56.409 and Hindu and stuff, and Buddhist. But he also said, 914 00:45:56.429 --> 00:45:59.340 there was a comment somewhere where he says something like, 915 00:45:59.440 --> 00:46:03.699 God is searching for another like itself. Sure. And it's like, that's, 916 00:46:03.800 --> 00:46:06.860 you know, when you consider, he's also saying our universe 917 00:46:06.900 --> 00:46:11.230 is just like a tiny cell in all that is. Like, 918 00:46:11.489 --> 00:46:14.590 it's minuscule compared to everything else that's out there. And 919 00:46:14.610 --> 00:46:16.670 that he can't comprehend everything that's out there. 920 00:46:17.289 --> 00:46:18.010 Right. 921

00:46:18.349 --> 00:46:21.710 Which is, again, makes sense. I mean, we are, again, 922 00:46:21.769 --> 00:46:24.630 infinity is not something we can put into our heads. 923 00:46:24.880 --> 00:46:26.820 When you look at those, and I brought this up before, 924 00:46:26.840 --> 00:46:29.179 when you look at those shots into space and they're 925 00:46:29.219 --> 00:46:32.039 like every dot you see is a galaxy. And you 926 00:46:32.079 --> 00:46:35.380 understand how big a galaxy is. Not a solar system, 927 00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:38.920 a galaxy, which is insanely big. And each one of 928 00:46:39.000 --> 00:46:42.139 those has, you know, millions of solar systems and stars 929 00:46:42.199 --> 00:46:45.289 in it. And there's millions of them on the screen. 930 00:46:45.449 --> 00:46:47.690 I mean, we it's like, you know, when someone has 931 00:46:47.730 --> 00:46:51.710 a billion dollars and they'll say most people cannot you 932 00:46:51.750 --> 00:46:54.789 can't really in your head understand what a billion is. 933 00:46:55.409 --> 00:46:55.590 Right. 934 00:46:55.650 --> 00:46:57.530 And we're talking way more than that as far as 935 00:46:57.570 --> 00:46:58.829 just galaxies go. 936 00:46:58.969 --> 00:47:02.690 Yeah. And it's everybody says this, too. And by everybody, 937 00:47:02.750 --> 00:47:06.050 I mean, the scientists say this, the, you know, the 938 00:47:06.090 --> 00:47:12.019 Vedic rishis said this. You know, like Chinese mysticism and 939 00:47:12.059 --> 00:47:16.389 cosmology says this, like there are infinite universes. And it 940 00:47:16.530 --> 00:47:18.530 seems to be something that I think at this point 941 00:47:18.570 --> 00:47:20.949 we can kind of take for granted. 942 00:47:20.969 --> 00:47:25.309 You know, I don't know. I mean, it may not 943 00:47:25.369 --> 00:47:26.590 be like our universe. 944 00:47:27.030 --> 00:47:28.820 Well, no, it might not be. But I think the 945 00:47:28.880 --> 00:47:31.300 fact that like there it might not even know, not 946 00:47:31.400 --> 00:47:33.260 not at all. In fact, I think it probably there 947 00:47:33.280 --> 00:47:35.269 are many that aren't. I think that one of the 948 00:47:35.289 --> 00:47:38.570 things that probably is is is a, you know, market 949 00:47:39.889 --> 00:47:42.929 like quality of it is that they're all different because 950 00:47:42.969 --> 00:47:46.210 I think it's like every possible thing that could be 951 00:47:46.449 --> 00:47:47.860 is out there somewhere. 952 00:47:48.320 --> 00:47:50.039 OK, so you're thinking that way. 953 00:47:50.219 --> 00:47:51.079 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. 954 00:47:51.260 --> 00:47:53.619 So, yeah, that's another thing when you have the well, 955 00:47:53.719 --> 00:47:57.199 every every decision you make creates a new timeline. 956 00:47:57.880 --> 00:48:01.260 Or, I mean, I'm not even thinking that, but, like, 957 00:48:01.400 --> 00:48:04.409 it's more, I guess for me, it's more like if 958 00:48:04.429 --> 00:48:07.050

you think about the idea of infinity, it just never stops. 959 00:48:07.130 --> 00:48:10.289 So any possible type of thought or, you know, not 960 00:48:10.329 --> 00:48:13.150 just that I'm creating them, but, like, they already, you know, 961 00:48:13.190 --> 00:48:16.769 they exist. Like, any permutation, this is, you know, going 962 00:48:16.829 --> 00:48:18.320 back to the thing we were talking about of, like, 963 00:48:18.360 --> 00:48:20.820 God trying to find somebody, you know, trying to find 964 00:48:21.000 --> 00:48:24.539 somebody like them or it, you know, or know itself. 965 00:48:24.699 --> 00:48:27.260 I think that... In order to do that, like everything 966 00:48:27.300 --> 00:48:30.820 has to be explored, which is infinite, right? So it's 967 00:48:31.010 --> 00:48:34.670 both choices I make maybe have these infinite quantum recursions. 968 00:48:34.730 --> 00:48:36.710 That might be one way to look at it. But 969 00:48:36.730 --> 00:48:40.050 I think it also is, you know, there is just 970 00:48:40.250 --> 00:48:45.440 this the base state of. all that exists literally is 971 00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:48.300 all that exists. So anything that, you know, you and 972 00:48:48.360 --> 00:48:51.679 I could imagine or have imagined or might imagine and 973 00:48:51.760 --> 00:48:55.329 everybody else in the world to, you know, those exist 974 00:48:55.469 --> 00:48:57.750 out there in some way, shape or form. Again, I 975 00:48:57.769 --> 00:48:59.869 guess I'm coming from a sense, you know, a place 976 00:48:59.929 --> 00:49:03.590 where I find, I think that information is in many ways, 977 00:49:03.730 --> 00:49:07.050 you know, very primary. And that's one of the things 978 00:49:07.070 --> 00:49:09.090 that I think is interesting about some of the, you know, 979 00:49:09.170 --> 00:49:11.900 hard scientific research that's being done these days is that 980 00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:14.380 they are starting to see that and that some of 981 00:49:14.420 --> 00:49:16.619 the energy out there, in fact, there was an article 982 00:49:16.639 --> 00:49:19.210 that I read recently that was talking about how like 983 00:49:19.329 --> 00:49:21.380 all the stuff that's nobody knows what it is. So 984 00:49:21.420 --> 00:49:24.340 they come up with stupid things like dark energy. A 985 00:49:24.380 --> 00:49:27.889 lot of that's information that that is information. And we 986 00:49:27.929 --> 00:49:30.929 don't really know what type or anything, but that's a 987 00:49:31.010 --> 00:49:33.130 good way to look at it. And I guess that's 988 00:49:33.150 --> 00:49:35.260 where I'm coming from, too. So, yeah. Okay. 989 00:49:35.889 --> 00:49:39.809 And then you have Lovecraft's Zogthoth, the blind idiot god 990 00:49:39.909 --> 00:49:42.860 of chaos at the center of the universe that is 991 00:49:42.920 --> 00:49:44.599 creating the universe by dreaming. 992 00:49:44.619 --> 00:49:45.320 Yeah. 993 00:49:46.619 --> 00:49:48.980 But that's a different thing. But yeah, I mean, when 994 00:49:49.340 --> 00:49:52.000 you look at just that concept of, okay, every decision 995 00:49:52.099 --> 00:49:54.539 you make creates a new universe, that means every decision 996 00:49:54.719 --> 00:49:58.610 everything makes. Not just people, but everything. And then you think, well, 997 00:49:58.760 --> 00:50:02.190 that's crazy, because that would be an infinity of universes. 998 00:50:02.250 --> 00:50:04.690 But then you look out at just what we can see, 999 00:50:04.710 --> 00:50:08.170 and we're seeing an infinity in our own universe. And 1000 00:50:08.190 --> 00:50:11.550 it's like, okay, just because we can't get it doesn't 1001 00:50:11.610 --> 00:50:15.860 mean it's not... Maybe these things kind of weft and 1002 00:50:15.929 --> 00:50:18.190 weave and come back together. You know, like you make 1003 00:50:18.210 --> 00:50:20.730 a decision and it variants things a little bit, but 1004 00:50:20.750 --> 00:50:23.369 then something else happens and they kind of blend back together. 1005 00:50:25.230 --> 00:50:26.750 There's no way for us to test this. 1006 00:50:26.769 --> 00:50:27.849 Right. 1007 00:50:27.869 --> 00:50:29.449 There's no way to test that we're not in a 1008 00:50:29.489 --> 00:50:32.789 block universe where everything's already decided. Unless we get a 1009 00:50:32.829 --> 00:50:33.710 time machine. 1010 00:50:34.110 --> 00:50:34.510 Right. 1011 00:50:35.409 --> 00:50:38.219 And then what happens? Like, because, I mean, there's... Okay, 1012 00:50:38.440 --> 00:50:40.480 so there's actually... This is not a time travel, but it... 1013 00:50:40.929 --> 00:50:43.250 It's listed for some reason as a time travel movie 1014 00:50:43.300 --> 00:50:48.230 called Redux Redux. And it's this woman whose daughter is 1015 00:50:48.389 --> 00:50:49.590 killed by this man. 1016 00:50:49.610 --> 00:50:49.679 And. 1017 00:50:51.789 --> 00:50:54.130 She lives in a universe where they have the ability 1018 00:50:54.210 --> 00:50:58.530 to go to other universes. So she's so struck with grief. 1019 00:50:58.610 --> 00:51:01.010 I think she kills the guy. And then she's so 1020 00:51:01.070 --> 00:51:04.150 struck with grief, she goes to the next universe, hoping 1021 00:51:04.210 --> 00:51:06.409 to reunite with her daughter, only to find out that 1022 00:51:06.449 --> 00:51:07.769 he's also killed her there. 1023 00:51:07.789 --> 00:51:08.889 Ah, yeah, yeah. 1024 00:51:09.030 --> 00:51:11.690 And so she kills him again and then goes to 1025 00:51:11.730 --> 00:51:14.570 the next universe and has been doing this like more 1026 00:51:14.590 --> 00:51:17.429 times than she can remember. And every universe she goes to, 1027 00:51:17.489 --> 00:51:19.750 her daughter has already been killed by this guy because 1028 00:51:19.769 --> 00:51:21.110 the differences are so slight. 1029 00:51:21.690 --> 00:51:22.190 Right. 1030 00:51:22.210 --> 00:51:25.230 But it is a really good movie. And it's more 1031

00:51:25.289 --> 00:51:27.610 about like trauma and stuff like that. 1032 00:51:27.710 --> 00:51:29.090 What's it called? 1033 00:51:29.409 --> 00:51:30.690 Redux Redux. 1034 00:51:31.130 --> 00:51:31.550 Okay. 1035 00:51:31.670 --> 00:51:32.010 Yeah. 1036 00:51:32.210 --> 00:51:34.110 I don't think I've seen it. That sounds cool. 1037 00:51:34.170 --> 00:51:35.170 I don't think I've heard of that one either. 1038 00:51:35.409 --> 00:51:37.929 I forget who recommended it to me. It might have 1039 00:51:37.969 --> 00:51:41.429 been Brennan. But it was, yeah, it was phenomenal. But 1040 00:51:41.469 --> 00:51:43.610 I think if you read the description, it says she 1041 00:51:43.650 --> 00:51:45.269 gets in a time machine and she does not get 1042 00:51:45.289 --> 00:51:46.110 in a time machine. 1043 00:51:46.250 --> 00:51:46.429 Yeah. 1044 00:51:47.570 --> 00:51:50.929 So, I don't know. But, yeah, I mean, slight differences, 1045 00:51:51.030 --> 00:51:55.289 you know. I mean, obviously shows like Sliders, you know, 1046 00:51:55.570 --> 00:51:59.619 did a fun job with it. And then they, you know, 1047 00:51:59.699 --> 00:52:03.619 the TV company, what was it, Fox, started going, well, 1048 00:52:03.699 --> 00:52:06.860 dinosaurs are popular at Jurassic Park. Do a dinosaur episode. 1049 00:52:06.920 --> 00:52:10.480 Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's always the way it's going 1050 00:52:10.519 --> 00:52:12.090 to go, unfortunately. But, yeah. 1051 00:52:12.239 --> 00:52:15.690 And so you had diminishing returns because, like, the execs 1052 00:52:15.730 --> 00:52:18.550 were getting involved and well the story was getting tired 1053 00:52:18.610 --> 00:52:20.429 how long can you go with them looking for their 1054 00:52:20.530 --> 00:52:24.380 universe right then they'd lose actors get new actors and 1055 00:52:24.409 --> 00:52:26.039 it's just kind of like yeah it was still fun 1056 00:52:26.239 --> 00:52:27.840 but you could see where it was where it was 1057 00:52:27.920 --> 00:52:31.079 really straining to keep it interesting and it wasn't it 1058 00:52:31.119 --> 00:52:33.360 was at a time period where you weren't overwhelmed with 1059 00:52:33.400 --> 00:52:36.400 that type of genre too so i think i would 1060 00:52:36.519 --> 00:52:38.550 at least was more forgiving of it it's like you 1061 00:52:38.590 --> 00:52:41.250 didn't have a lot of sci-fi shows so it's like 1062 00:52:41.289 --> 00:52:45.079 yeah this one's not great but at least it's sci-fi Oh, definitely. 1063 00:52:45.260 --> 00:52:48.159 Yeah. I mean, I think if you're looking at it 1064 00:52:48.199 --> 00:52:51.239 back at it now, I mean, you know, there's some 1065 00:52:51.300 --> 00:52:54.039 cheesy elements of it. But I think at that point, 1066 00:52:54.179 --> 00:52:58.139 it was really good for what was out there. Yeah, totally. 1067 00:52:58.510 --> 00:53:01.849 I read that Stuart Bales to save the universe is 1068 00:53:01.929 --> 00:53:03.090 kind of like Sliders. 1069 00:53:03.110 --> 00:53:05.889 It kind of is. It's goofy. I mean, you know, 1070 00:53:06.030 --> 00:53:07.769 I like some of the folks that are in it. 1071 00:53:09.190 --> 00:53:11.570 You know, it's a little corny, but it's fun. 1072 00:53:13.130 --> 00:53:15.769 I didn't know anything about it, and then it looked good, 1073 00:53:15.789 --> 00:53:17.289 so I'm like, well, maybe I'll watch this. Then I 1074 00:53:17.289 --> 00:53:19.530 was like, oh, it's a spinoff of The Big Bang Theory. 1075 00:53:19.570 --> 00:53:21.110 I'm like, maybe I won't watch it. 1076 00:53:21.530 --> 00:53:23.909 That was a big stepping... Yeah, that was a big 1077 00:53:23.929 --> 00:53:25.159 block for me, too. Yes. 1078 00:53:25.239 --> 00:53:25.840 Yeah. 1079 00:53:25.860 --> 00:53:28.039 It doesn't really have anything to do with it, though, so. 1080 00:53:28.159 --> 00:53:30.980 Yeah, it's just a character, one of the characters, or 1081 00:53:31.000 --> 00:53:32.559 two of the characters from it, right? 1082 00:53:32.719 --> 00:53:33.619 Yep, exactly. 1083 00:53:33.760 --> 00:53:36.219 But they said this is more of a sci-fi show, not. 1084 00:53:36.659 --> 00:53:38.400 It's very much sci-fi. 1085 00:53:38.440 --> 00:53:38.860 It's a little. 1086 00:53:39.130 --> 00:53:42.670 Kind of like Ready Player One. Like they're running through 1087 00:53:43.250 --> 00:53:44.429 properties and genres. 1088 00:53:44.769 --> 00:53:45.650 Okay. Okay. 1089 00:53:45.869 --> 00:53:46.510 Oh, interesting. 1090 00:53:46.570 --> 00:53:46.869 Okay. 1091 00:53:47.210 --> 00:53:50.849 All right. Let's take a mid-show break and we'll be 1092 00:53:50.889 --> 00:53:51.349 right back. 1093 00:53:51.650 --> 00:53:52.199 Okay. 1094 00:53:52.969 --> 00:53:57.179 Quick mid-show break here. Contact info and some recommendations. Contact 1095 00:53:57.219 --> 00:54:00.900 info is wheredotheroadgo.com. Everything can be found there, including a 1096 00:54:00.920 --> 00:54:03.199 link to the Patreon where you get extra content with 1097 00:54:03.239 --> 00:54:06.090 every show, pretty much every show. Shows a week or 1098 00:54:06.110 --> 00:54:09.889 two early, commercial free, and lots of extra bonuses. And 1099 00:54:10.230 --> 00:54:14.579 I've held hostage here Chris and Saxon through the break 1100 00:54:14.619 --> 00:54:16.300 so they can give us some recommendations. 1101 00:54:16.599 --> 00:54:18.639 We got a gun to your head, yeah. We have 1102 00:54:18.659 --> 00:54:20.519 to say it. Go ahead, Saxon. 1103 00:54:21.280 --> 00:54:22.059 Yeah. 1104 00:54:22.820 --> 00:54:27.989 So I highly recommend Lanterns, you know, and I'm sure Chris. 1105 00:54:27.869 --> 00:54:30.789 Has been digging it, too. Yeah, it's been great. 1106 00:54:31.130 --> 00:54:31.690 It's been great. 1107 00:54:31.710 --> 00:54:31.949 Good. 1108 00:54:32.190 --> 00:54:32.969 Yeah. 1109 00:54:33.389 --> 00:54:35.900 I was wary about it at first. You know, I 1110 00:54:35.909 --> 00:54:37.500 didn't know if this was

the kind of show that 1111 00:54:37.579 --> 00:54:40.380 I wanted for this kind of property. But, man, it's 1112 00:54:40.519 --> 00:54:44.389 so good. And not only that. If you care about 1113 00:54:44.409 --> 00:54:46.869 the comic book lore, they're versed in that. But there's 1114 00:54:46.989 --> 00:54:51.989 also just lots of nods to UFO mythology and things 1115 00:54:52.050 --> 00:54:54.989 like that. When Hal talks about where he got the 1116 00:54:55.030 --> 00:55:00.179 power ring, it kind of sounds like Roswell. And there's 1117 00:55:00.219 --> 00:55:01.900 another time where he recounts how it pulled him out 1118 00:55:01.920 --> 00:55:05.480 of his room. And he talks about floating above his 1119 00:55:05.559 --> 00:55:08.280 bed and vibrating while he had light all around him. 1120 00:55:08.320 --> 00:55:09.139 And, you know, it was. 1121 00:55:09.960 --> 00:55:12.409 things that you've heard people talk about when they've talked 1122 00:55:12.449 --> 00:55:16.130 about abduction experiences and things like that. So, and beyond that, 1123 00:55:16.190 --> 00:55:19.070 the mystery and the storyline is really intriguing and things 1124 00:55:19.110 --> 00:55:21.389 like that too. Chris, what do you want to say 1125 00:55:21.429 --> 00:55:21.869 about that? 1126 00:55:21.889 --> 00:55:24.010 It's got good, yeah, I mean, it's got good actors, 1127 00:55:24.090 --> 00:55:27.539 I think, but even for somebody that, like you too, 1128 00:55:27.619 --> 00:55:31.139 I know is a huge comic book fan, I don't 1129 00:55:31.199 --> 00:55:34.639 feel like I'm being talked down to. Like, I feel 1130 00:55:34.679 --> 00:55:40.010 like they're respecting the source material, which is great. you know, 1131 00:55:41.289 --> 00:55:43.650 on top of it, I think just being good quality, 1132 00:55:43.690 --> 00:55:49.070 sort of a serialized television. I would recommend another one too. Yeah. 1133 00:55:49.360 --> 00:55:51.199 On top of that, which I know this might be 1134 00:55:51.219 --> 00:55:53.039 a little late for some people to the game, but 1135 00:55:53.079 --> 00:55:56.019 if you haven't watched Widows Bay, watch Widows Bay. It's 1136 00:55:56.059 --> 00:55:56.559 really good. 1137 00:55:56.820 --> 00:55:59.010 Okay. It's funny. It's funny. 1138 00:55:59.579 --> 00:56:02.679 And it's light, but for anybody that has any interest 1139 00:56:02.860 --> 00:56:09.150 in supernatural stories and supernatural horror media, it's very self-referential 1140 00:56:09.230 --> 00:56:10.210 and smart and funny. 1141 00:56:10.949 --> 00:56:12.309 Did that already get canceled? 1142 00:56:12.630 --> 00:56:12.889 No. 1143 00:56:13.050 --> 00:56:13.969 They got picked up again. 1144 00:56:13.989 --> 00:56:14.289 Okay. 1145 00:56:14.309 --> 00:56:17.190 They got picked up again. Yeah. Yep. Luckily. 1146 00:56:17.230 --> 00:56:19.170 Both of those are definitely on my list. I was 1147 00:56:19.210 --> 00:56:21.909 just waiting for everything to come out from Lanterns before 1148 00:56:21.949 --> 00:56:22.539 I watched it. 1149 00:56:22.869 --> 00:56:23.650 You should. Yeah. 1150 00:56:23.710 --> 00:56:25.929 I mean, it'll be a great binge watch. 1151 00:56:25.989 --> 00:56:28.179 I'd rather binge watch things than have to wait. 1152 00:56:28.199 --> 00:56:28.780 Yeah. Yeah. 1153 00:56:29.760 --> 00:56:32.079 The thing i'll tell you about lanterns that's really nice 1154 00:56:32.139 --> 00:56:35.460 too is the comic book lore knowing it is not 1155 00:56:35.539 --> 00:56:38.159 necessary at all to watch it no but when it's 1156 00:56:38.280 --> 00:56:41.230 presented you know it can either be kind of hokey 1157 00:56:41.530 --> 00:56:45.409 or it can be really uh enigmatic and the way 1158 00:56:45.449 --> 00:56:49.150 the show handles it it's you know it's very enigmatic 1159 00:56:49.230 --> 00:56:54.210 and it's low-key but it's impactful yeah um And on 1160 00:56:54.250 --> 00:56:56.760 top of just the way the characters interact and the casting, 1161 00:56:56.800 --> 00:56:59.139 which is phenomenal in the writing, that was another thing 1162 00:56:59.199 --> 00:57:02.139 I really liked about it, where they were able to 1163 00:57:02.199 --> 00:57:06.460 have a lot of perspective and think about things of 1164 00:57:06.699 --> 00:57:10.280 if this really did come from some type of, you know, 1165 00:57:11.199 --> 00:57:14.260 group of immortal beings far off in the universe, what 1166 00:57:14.280 --> 00:57:16.139 would it be like, you know? 1167 00:57:16.159 --> 00:57:17.110 Yeah. Yeah. 1168 00:57:17.389 --> 00:57:19.320 It's just done really well. They treat the ring like 1169 00:57:19.340 --> 00:57:23.199 a service weapon. You know, it's not something that you 1170 00:57:23.219 --> 00:57:25.420 go play around with. Like, you really don't try to 1171 00:57:25.579 --> 00:57:28.579 use it because, you know, you don't go pull guns everywhere, 1172 00:57:28.760 --> 00:57:32.440 you know, if you're responsible in being in law enforcement. Right. 1173 00:57:32.510 --> 00:57:35.030 It's kind of the same idea. And so you never 1174 00:57:35.090 --> 00:57:38.110 feel like they're holding back on not using the ring. 1175 00:57:38.170 --> 00:57:40.349 It's just that the ring is treated like, you know, 1176 00:57:40.769 --> 00:57:43.070 one of the most dangerous weapons in the universe. 1177 00:57:43.409 --> 00:57:44.250 Right. Yeah. 1178 00:57:44.619 --> 00:57:44.800 Cool. 1179 00:57:44.880 --> 00:57:48.400 All right. Well, back to the main show. You are 1180 00:57:48.460 --> 00:57:53.090 listening to Where Did the Road Go? on WVBR-FM Ithaca. 1181 00:57:53.639 --> 00:57:59.889 Check us out on the web at www.wheredidtheroadgo.com. Hey, look, 1182 00:57:59.929 --> 00:58:01.170 I still have Chris and Saxon. 1183 00:58:01.230 --> 00:58:02.269 We're here. 1184 00:58:02.789 --> 00:58:03.670 How did we get over here? 1185 00:58:03.690 --> 00:58:06.869 It's a little shift of reality there. 1186 00:58:07.809 -->

00:58:08.710 Yeah. 1187 00:58:08.730 --> 00:58:10.670 So let's talk a little more about time travel, because 1188 00:58:10.969 --> 00:58:14.449 time travel is infinitely fascinating to me. I mean, you get... 1189 00:58:15.059 --> 00:58:17.750 We see in the paranormal, like, okay, so we see 1190 00:58:17.769 --> 00:58:20.809 in the paranormal aspects where things seem to move backwards 1191 00:58:20.889 --> 00:58:23.650 in time. And I don't, you know, I think for 1192 00:58:23.690 --> 00:58:28.300 a long time, everyone just looked at this as precognition where, 1193 00:58:28.420 --> 00:58:31.659 and a great example is the first season of Hellier 1194 00:58:31.679 --> 00:58:34.699 when they were doing the Estes experiment. And he saw 1195 00:58:34.739 --> 00:58:37.150 the can. And then they went into the cave that 1196 00:58:37.190 --> 00:58:39.889 really had nothing to do with anything. And then he 1197 00:58:39.949 --> 00:58:42.190 found the can and he freaked out because it was 1198 00:58:42.230 --> 00:58:44.090 the can he saw when he was in the Estes. 1199 00:58:44.469 --> 00:58:46.809 And he's like, we were supposed to be here. And 1200 00:58:46.869 --> 00:58:48.869 it's like, okay, that's one way of thinking about it. 1201 00:58:48.889 --> 00:58:50.769 But also the other way of thinking about it is 1202 00:58:51.130 --> 00:58:53.110 you were going to come here and find this can 1203 00:58:53.130 --> 00:58:57.039 and get excited about it. And that information went backwards 1204 00:58:57.179 --> 00:59:00.650 in time. Yeah. Yeah. You know, and created a loop 1205 00:59:00.690 --> 00:59:03.650 of information so that that you were excited because you 1206 00:59:03.710 --> 00:59:06.519 saw it, but you saw it because you got excited. Yeah. 1207 00:59:06.840 --> 00:59:07.079 Yeah. 1208 00:59:07.659 --> 00:59:09.739 So, you know, I think about this a lot and 1209 00:59:09.780 --> 00:59:12.619 it ties back into what Chris was talking about with 1210 00:59:12.639 --> 00:59:15.829 the sort of infinite possibilities of every possible choice existing 1211 00:59:15.869 --> 00:59:20.230 at once and things like that. I like the idea 1212 00:59:20.250 --> 00:59:24.849 of That time flows in all directions and it can 1213 00:59:24.869 --> 00:59:27.610 be written backwards and forwards and left and right and 1214 00:59:27.650 --> 00:59:30.550 what have you. But we can only experience it from 1215 00:59:30.730 --> 00:59:35.150 one way. But that precognition type of event like you're 1216 00:59:35.170 --> 00:59:39.710 talking about is, you know, that momentary glimpse of. being 1217 00:59:39.730 --> 00:59:42.789 able to see how it flows in a different direction. 1218 00:59:43.989 --> 00:59:45.469 And I think one of the best ways I ever 1219 00:59:45.530 --> 00:59:49.059 heard of that summed up to was, oh, Jeff Kripal 1220 00:59:49.239 --> 00:59:50.679 had put in one of his books, but I don't 1221 00:59:50.719 --> 00:59:52.460 think it was something he came up with, but it 1222 00:59:52.500 --> 00:59:55.199 was about, you know, you're writing yourself at the same 1223 00:59:55.260 --> 00:59:59.199 time as you are being written. But, you know, that 1224 00:59:59.219 --> 01:00:02.380 kind of implication that you're a partner in creation and 1225 01:00:02.440 --> 01:00:05.099 you also can sort of look ahead in the text. 1226 01:00:06.239 --> 01:00:08.949 I can't remember. Did they find particles that move backwards 1227 01:00:09.030 --> 01:00:09.389 in time? 1228 01:00:10.000 --> 01:00:11.139 I feel like. 1229 01:00:10.969 --> 01:00:14.309 They've tried to, or they thought they did, but I 1230 01:00:14.329 --> 01:00:14.750 don't know. 1231 01:00:14.969 --> 01:00:15.909 I'm Googling it. 1232 01:00:15.929 --> 01:00:19.369 Because I think, or at least they thought that's what 1233 01:00:19.409 --> 01:00:22.050 was going on with them. That they were moving in 1234 01:00:22.110 --> 01:00:27.840 reverse or something like that. I mean, okay, so no. 1235 01:00:28.860 --> 01:00:29.739 They tried. 1236 01:00:30.780 --> 01:00:35.159 In certain quantum field theory calculations, a positron, the electron's 1237 01:00:35.300 --> 01:00:39.260 antimatter partner, can be represented mathematically as an electron moving 1238 01:00:39.340 --> 01:00:43.619 backward along the same time axis. So, tachyons, of course, 1239 01:00:43.639 --> 01:00:45.260 which you hear about in Star Trek and stuff all 1240 01:00:45.280 --> 01:00:50.289 the time, are hypothetical. So, yeah, okay. So, Dr. Bem, 1241 01:00:50.329 --> 01:00:53.969 when he did his psi research in Cornell, did not 1242 01:00:54.070 --> 01:00:59.059 think that these people, because this was the... Infamous sex-proof 1243 01:00:59.139 --> 01:01:02.340 psychic abilities thing that was all over the news for 1244 01:01:02.380 --> 01:01:05.829 a while because it was a nice spectacular headline. But 1245 01:01:06.670 --> 01:01:10.949 people's brains, their EEGs, were responding milliseconds before the computer 1246 01:01:11.010 --> 01:01:14.329 was even picking the image they were showing. And the 1247 01:01:14.369 --> 01:01:17.099 strongest reaction that people have are to images of sex 1248 01:01:17.159 --> 01:01:20.960 or violence. So that's what the EEGs could distinctly see. 1249 01:01:21.239 --> 01:01:24.219 And their brains would react to that image before they 1250 01:01:24.280 --> 01:01:26.619 saw it, before the computer even picked it. But only 1251 01:01:26.659 --> 01:01:30.199 by milliseconds, which is not a lot, but still significant. 1252 01:01:30.300 --> 01:01:33.730 So either A, their brains know what's coming. or that 1253 01:01:33.789 --> 01:01:37.610 information is being sent back in time, or our perception 1254 01:01:37.650 --> 01:01:39.469 of time is not what we think it is. Like, 1255 01:01:39.489 --> 01:01:42.880 we're already perceiving it before it happens, you know? Because 1256 01:01:42.900 --> 01:01:46.260 we're actually, maybe part of us is spread

across time, 1257 01:01:46.500 --> 01:01:46.840 you know? 1258 01:01:47.019 --> 01:01:48.079 Yeah. Yeah. 1259 01:01:48.699 --> 01:01:50.800 And I'm sure you can talk to the ability of 1260 01:01:50.880 --> 01:01:54.989 martial artists to anticipate in ways that almost shouldn't be possible. 1261 01:01:55.010 --> 01:01:55.849 Oh, yeah, right? 1262 01:01:55.869 --> 01:01:58.960 Yeah. Yeah, you know, so, I mean, in a lot 1263 01:01:59.000 --> 01:02:02.099 of different cultures within the martial arts, you know, for 1264 01:02:02.119 --> 01:02:05.599 different parts of the world, there's terms for that. And 1265 01:02:05.920 --> 01:02:08.280 I'm going to get them conflated and use the wrong ones, but, 1266 01:02:08.320 --> 01:02:09.920 you know, there's quite a bit of that in Japanese 1267 01:02:09.960 --> 01:02:14.460 martial arts. You know, just, like, sensing intention before it 1268 01:02:14.539 --> 01:02:17.719 happens and, you know, getting out of the way of 1269 01:02:17.739 --> 01:02:20.539 an attack before it occurs. One of the things that 1270 01:02:21.139 --> 01:02:23.380 some people laugh at this, and I think it's one 1271 01:02:23.400 --> 01:02:28.369 of those... circumstances that's a little bit of both incredibly 1272 01:02:28.409 --> 01:02:31.570 amazing and intelligent and also can fall into the area 1273 01:02:31.590 --> 01:02:36.199 of just being silly. But Masaaki Hatsumi, who's supposed to 1274 01:02:36.239 --> 01:02:41.539 be the last living ninjutsu grandmaster, when he would promote 1275 01:02:41.619 --> 01:02:44.000 people to a certain rank, they would have to sit 1276 01:02:44.059 --> 01:02:46.840 in front of him with their back to him blindfolded. 1277 01:02:47.280 --> 01:02:49.820 And he would hold a wooden sword over them and 1278 01:02:50.119 --> 01:02:53.199 fully commit to hitting them. And their job was to 1279 01:02:53.260 --> 01:02:55.690 roll out of the way before he hit them. And, 1280 01:02:55.699 --> 01:02:57.590 of course, they don't know when he's going to swing 1281 01:02:57.630 --> 01:03:00.570 the sword down on them. But that was, like, the 1282 01:03:00.610 --> 01:03:04.130 big test is that, you know, everything's dead silent. You 1283 01:03:04.170 --> 01:03:05.690 don't know you're about to be hit. You just know 1284 01:03:05.710 --> 01:03:07.780 it's coming at some point. And you have to move 1285 01:03:08.090 --> 01:03:10.500 at the last possible second before the contact is there. 1286 01:03:10.820 --> 01:03:12.000 Luke, use the Force. 1287 01:03:12.820 --> 01:03:13.159 Yeah, yeah. 1288 01:03:13.179 --> 01:03:14.139 I mean, it really is, right? 1289 01:03:14.159 --> 01:03:14.840 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1290 01:03:15.519 --> 01:03:15.840 And so. 1291 01:03:17.079 --> 01:03:23.119 That said, just like with us talking about psychic abilities 1292 01:03:23.280 --> 01:03:28.329 and objects in the sky, within martial arts, you have 1293 01:03:28.409 --> 01:03:33.789 people that are familiar with internal things that are real, 1294 01:03:33.889 --> 01:03:37.110 but then also get sort of you know, turned into 1295 01:03:37.150 --> 01:03:41.329 silly things and, and, uh, lose their, their actual impact 1296 01:03:41.369 --> 01:03:44.070 and depth because other people have tried to market off 1297 01:03:44.159 --> 01:03:45.980 of them, you know? Did I lose you guys? 1298 01:03:46.239 --> 01:03:49.619 Yeah, no, we're here. We're here. Yeah. Um, I'm trying 1299 01:03:49.639 --> 01:03:50.789 to think where to follow that up. 1300 01:03:51.239 --> 01:03:53.119 Uh, I kind of went more into psychic abilities than 1301 01:03:53.179 --> 01:03:56.130 time there, but that's still like a perception of time. 1302 01:03:56.650 --> 01:04:01.900 Um, and again the question becomes we assume we're predicting 1303 01:04:01.960 --> 01:04:04.559 the future rather than already being in the future and 1304 01:04:04.599 --> 01:04:06.639 sending that info back it does yeah. 1305 01:04:06.489 --> 01:04:10.309 You're absolutely right um and i'm sure if you looked 1306 01:04:10.369 --> 01:04:14.250 around at probably some like you know chinese texts or 1307 01:04:14.289 --> 01:04:18.289 something like that or you know uh japanese writings on 1308 01:04:18.309 --> 01:04:22.090 martial arts you know between like 1100 and 1600 you 1309 01:04:22.130 --> 01:04:25.090 would find evidence of people saying they could see everybody's 1310 01:04:25.150 --> 01:04:28.260 moves before they happened yeah um you know, just like 1311 01:04:28.340 --> 01:04:30.610 watching it in their head ahead of time. And so 1312 01:04:30.619 --> 01:04:33.269 that would be the same as, you know, already living 1313 01:04:33.289 --> 01:04:36.670 in the future, but you're just regarding it as predicting it. 1314 01:04:37.369 --> 01:04:41.190 And that again, brings up free will, like, are we 1315 01:04:41.250 --> 01:04:45.269 choosing in the future too? You know, we're playing the 1316 01:04:45.309 --> 01:04:47.690 part that our higher self has already chosen or some 1317 01:04:47.750 --> 01:04:51.010 other part of ourself has already chosen, which again, it's 1318 01:04:51.070 --> 01:04:52.860 another big question of what are we? 1319 01:04:53.449 --> 01:04:53.690 Right. 1320 01:04:53.929 --> 01:04:57.130 Because we're not just our conscious minds by any means. 1321 01:04:57.869 --> 01:04:59.659 If we were, we wouldn't have dreams. 1322 01:05:00.239 --> 01:05:00.800 Yeah. 1323 01:05:01.019 --> 01:05:04.079 We wouldn't have natural instincts. I mean, there's and what 1324 01:05:04.139 --> 01:05:07.099 parts of those are part of our true self? What 1325 01:05:07.159 --> 01:05:09.969 parts of those are just part of existing here? 1326 01:05:09.989 --> 01:05:10.510 Yeah. 1327 01:05:10.590 --> 01:05:13.570 Because the Egyptians had what, like nine bodies? 1328 01:05:13.590 --> 01:05:13.829 Yeah. 1329 01:05:14.570 --> 01:05:18.090 Well, it's souls, too. There's like the ka, the ba, the. 1330 01:05:18.210 --> 01:05:20.469

Well, that's what I mean. Yeah, like bodies or souls. 1331 01:05:20.489 --> 01:05:21.329 Yeah, yeah, totally. 1332 01:05:21.409 --> 01:05:24.340 That all represented different aspects of how we interact with 1333 01:05:24.380 --> 01:05:25.679 reality in the afterlife. 1334 01:05:25.820 --> 01:05:27.340 Yep, absolutely, yeah. 1335 01:05:27.380 --> 01:05:29.900 And they're not the only culture that has that concept. 1336 01:05:30.039 --> 01:05:30.219 Nope. 1337 01:05:30.360 --> 01:05:32.019 I think Western culture is probably one of the few 1338 01:05:32.059 --> 01:05:34.800 ones that just has one. You know, you're just you. 1339 01:05:34.940 --> 01:05:38.619 And it's like, okay, maybe you and your body. If 1340 01:05:38.639 --> 01:05:42.780 I'm not mistaken, the earliest Christian texts, when they talk about... 1341 01:05:43.500 --> 01:05:48.699 Jesus coming back and people being brought back. Literally, I 1342 01:05:48.980 --> 01:05:52.219 think the texts say that when you die, you're basically 1343 01:05:52.260 --> 01:05:57.070 just dead until Jesus comes back. And then Jesus raises 1344 01:05:57.139 --> 01:05:58.869 everyone physically from the grave. 1345 01:05:59.510 --> 01:06:04.880 Yeah, that was a pretty widespread understood belief. You know, 1346 01:06:04.920 --> 01:06:08.219 you just sort of remained in your body until Jesus 1347 01:06:08.260 --> 01:06:11.599 came back. And you literally like, I don't know if 1348 01:06:11.639 --> 01:06:14.039 it was specifically like you reanimated your body or you got, 1349 01:06:14.320 --> 01:06:16.420 you know, that was why people also didn't believe in 1350 01:06:16.440 --> 01:06:17.570 cremation for a long time. 1351 01:06:17.610 --> 01:06:18.179 Right, right. 1352 01:06:18.199 --> 01:06:20.750 Because, you know, you didn't have a vessel to hold 1353 01:06:20.789 --> 01:06:24.449 you at that point. But yeah, the idea of, you know, 1354 01:06:24.489 --> 01:06:28.809 passing away and going to heaven immediately is not, it 1355 01:06:28.869 --> 01:06:29.889 wasn't the original idea. 1356 01:06:30.230 --> 01:06:34.050 Yeah, yeah. That was changed later on. And then you have, 1357 01:06:34.090 --> 01:06:38.429 you know, cultures like Egypt who also preserve the body. And, 1358 01:06:38.889 --> 01:06:42.489 you know, obviously, especially of the pharaohs and stuff like 1359 01:06:42.510 --> 01:06:44.869 that and other cultures that do the same. And then 1360 01:06:44.889 --> 01:06:48.469 you have cultures that practice things like excarnation, where they 1361 01:06:49.139 --> 01:06:51.460 cut them into pieces and feed them to the birds 1362 01:06:51.679 --> 01:06:54.719 and things like that. So, you know, how you view 1363 01:06:54.780 --> 01:06:58.320 the afterlife, I think, deals a lot with how you'll 1364 01:06:58.360 --> 01:07:02.210 deal with mortal remains. Yeah. And now that's also just 1365 01:07:02.230 --> 01:07:06.300 a very big money-making thing nowadays, you know? Sure. Like 1366 01:07:06.340 --> 01:07:09.280 the amount of money it costs even for basic stuff 1367 01:07:09.659 --> 01:07:11.719 when someone dies is outrageous. 1368 01:07:12.619 --> 01:07:15.980 Yeah. Who's that? I forget the name. Is it Caitlin Doherty? 1369 01:07:16.000 --> 01:07:19.539 She's like a death expert that goes on some of 1370 01:07:19.559 --> 01:07:23.219 the podcasts and talks about that we need to get 1371 01:07:23.260 --> 01:07:27.679 a better cultural approach to death, understanding death, and that 1372 01:07:27.760 --> 01:07:29.420 it is something that is holding us back. 1373 01:07:29.699 --> 01:07:30.500 I would agree with that. 1374 01:07:30.869 --> 01:07:33.269 I would too. I like that. 1375 01:07:33.630 --> 01:07:36.760 But like, okay, so time, if you look at time 1376 01:07:37.119 --> 01:07:40.139 from our perspective, yes, it seems to run sequentially forward. 1377 01:07:41.119 --> 01:07:43.119 Aside from those moments where maybe you get a glimpse 1378 01:07:43.159 --> 01:07:46.320 of the future or even a glimpse of the past sometimes. 1379 01:07:47.469 --> 01:07:49.769 But it may be the only, you know, again, as 1380 01:07:49.809 --> 01:07:52.110 I've said before, it's like if you read a book 1381 01:07:52.210 --> 01:07:53.809 out of order, it wouldn't make a lot of sense. 1382 01:07:54.440 --> 01:07:54.699 Right. 1383 01:07:54.860 --> 01:07:57.050 You know, you need to experience it in order and 1384 01:07:57.090 --> 01:07:59.269 we can't experience it all at once or we don't 1385 01:07:59.289 --> 01:08:02.630 really get the experience. You know, you get you. It's 1386 01:08:02.690 --> 01:08:05.989 like if you got all the information all at once, 1387 01:08:06.130 --> 01:08:07.630 it's just like static data. 1388 01:08:08.329 --> 01:08:08.639 Yeah. 1389 01:08:09.280 --> 01:08:11.840 Whereas if you live it, you go through the emotions, 1390 01:08:11.940 --> 01:08:14.900 the et cetera, et cetera, that that accompany that or 1391 01:08:14.980 --> 01:08:18.449 the the ability to put pieces together together. That you may, 1392 01:08:18.489 --> 01:08:20.649 you know, like if you just were able to ingest 1393 01:08:20.850 --> 01:08:25.159 a book or a movie without actually watching or reading it, 1394 01:08:25.189 --> 01:08:27.850 like just kind of like Edgar Cayce, I think, was 1395 01:08:27.890 --> 01:08:29.689 one of the people who said he could just like 1396 01:08:29.890 --> 01:08:31.760 put his hand on a book and get all the information. 1397 01:08:31.770 --> 01:08:32.520 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1398 01:08:32.689 --> 01:08:34.569 There are certainly books I wish I could do that 1399 01:08:34.609 --> 01:08:36.340 with because I'm like, this is so long. I don't 1400 01:08:36.359 --> 01:08:37.880 know if I'm ever going to read it. It's not 1401 01:08:37.960 --> 01:08:40.260 written great. But man, I want the info in there. 1402 01:08:40.420 --> 01:08:40.619 Yeah. 1403 01:08:41.220 --> 01:08:44.229 But if you're reading especially a

story. You don't want 1404 01:08:44.310 --> 01:08:46.550 just like the whole thing right there. You want to 1405 01:08:46.590 --> 01:08:49.739 go through the experience of reading it or watching the 1406 01:08:49.779 --> 01:08:54.170 movie or watching the TV show that brings you through 1407 01:08:54.170 --> 01:08:58.020 those highs and lows. And if it's a good story, 1408 01:08:58.020 --> 01:09:00.350 it makes you care and think. So if you get 1409 01:09:00.390 --> 01:09:02.609 it all at once, you're not going to get that. 1410 01:09:03.149 --> 01:09:06.670 It's the idea of having to do it through that 1411 01:09:06.829 --> 01:09:10.609 linear time frame. period is is in fact the the 1412 01:09:10.949 --> 01:09:12.010 goal i guess. 1413 01:09:11.970 --> 01:09:14.109 Yeah yeah and you see a lot of sci-fi where 1414 01:09:14.130 --> 01:09:16.880 they you know they'll put someone in cryonic sleep or 1415 01:09:16.909 --> 01:09:19.460 whatever um and if we were able to do that 1416 01:09:19.699 --> 01:09:22.100 and and send someone out you know however many years 1417 01:09:22.180 --> 01:09:24.539 out they don't age because they're in cryonic sleep and 1418 01:09:24.560 --> 01:09:26.979 then they come back and everyone's 30 years older i 1419 01:09:27.020 --> 01:09:29.460 mean that's just gonna i mean that's a whole nother 1420 01:09:29.720 --> 01:09:32.789 view of how we process reality Right. 1421 01:09:32.810 --> 01:09:35.689 There was this guy, I forget where he came on. 1422 01:09:36.479 --> 01:09:38.680 There was some, I don't think it was, where did 1423 01:09:38.699 --> 01:09:41.460 the road go? It might not have been conspiranormal anyway. 1424 01:09:41.560 --> 01:09:45.899 Somebody was talking essentially about like this, his hypothetical theory 1425 01:09:46.319 --> 01:09:50.460 of how there could be alien travelers that were traveling 1426 01:09:50.560 --> 01:09:53.020 across the cosmos, but they essentially would live in a 1427 01:09:53.090 --> 01:09:57.550 completely different timescale than us. And that that would be, 1428 01:09:57.569 --> 01:09:59.930 you know, almost like living in a different, you know, 1429 01:09:59.989 --> 01:10:03.520 world or dimension. In the sense that, like, if you 1430 01:10:03.560 --> 01:10:07.619 were to use sort of traditional physics in order for 1431 01:10:07.680 --> 01:10:10.890 people to be moving through space at, you know, greater 1432 01:10:10.930 --> 01:10:13.489 than light speed, there would essentially be all this time 1433 01:10:13.569 --> 01:10:14.760 dilation that was happening. 1434 01:10:14.840 --> 01:10:14.979 Right. 1435 01:10:14.989 --> 01:10:16.859 Which, you know, makes a lot of sense. 1436 01:10:17.460 --> 01:10:20.619 And that also brings us back around to Arrival, which 1437 01:10:20.930 --> 01:10:23.590 I think was a great alien contact movie because you 1438 01:10:23.600 --> 01:10:26.229 had aliens that were nothing like us, including how they 1439 01:10:26.289 --> 01:10:30.090 perceived reality and time. And it seems like when you 1440 01:10:30.109 --> 01:10:32.590 hear the premise of the movie, it's basically a linguist 1441 01:10:33.170 --> 01:10:36.529 going in there trying to communicate with them in their ship. 1442 01:10:36.869 --> 01:10:39.109 That just sounds boring, but it's really not. 1443 01:10:39.510 --> 01:10:40.310 Right. 1444 01:10:40.930 --> 01:10:43.069 You know, versus, I mean, everyone loves Hail Mary. And 1445 01:10:43.090 --> 01:10:46.020 I've talked about this with Josh. Like, I was disappointed 1446 01:10:46.060 --> 01:10:48.319 it was just a buddy film. You know, I was like, 1447 01:10:48.439 --> 01:10:51.720 I thought the concept behind it was really interesting. And 1448 01:10:51.739 --> 01:10:54.760 the mystery was really interesting. And then it kind of 1449 01:10:54.779 --> 01:10:56.800 became a buddy comedy. And I'm like, this is not 1450 01:10:56.840 --> 01:10:59.439 what I want. It totally became a buddy comedy. I'm like, 1451 01:10:59.460 --> 01:11:02.649 this is the exact opposite of what I want, you know? Right. 1452 01:11:03.350 --> 01:11:05.470 So I'm in the minority of going, I didn't like 1453 01:11:05.550 --> 01:11:07.390 this movie. I don't think it was a bad movie. 1454 01:11:07.890 --> 01:11:10.590 It wasn't the thing I wanted it to be, you know? 1455 01:11:10.829 --> 01:11:15.920 Because the communication with the alien happens very quickly. Yeah. 1456 01:11:15.939 --> 01:11:19.920 And the alien becomes very human, basically. With Arrival, you 1457 01:11:19.960 --> 01:11:24.000 never get that. They never deal with things like humans 1458 01:11:24.060 --> 01:11:26.359 deal with things. They're utterly mysterious. 1459 01:11:27.600 --> 01:11:29.909 Yeah. You know... Did you read the book of that? 1460 01:11:30.529 --> 01:11:33.630 I didn't read the book, but one person I know 1461 01:11:33.670 --> 01:11:35.689 that read the book, I feel like, told me that 1462 01:11:35.770 --> 01:11:37.989 it was just a really great book read. 1463 01:11:38.109 --> 01:11:39.770 I liked the book very much, yeah. 1464 01:11:39.829 --> 01:11:41.170 Which one, Arrival or Hail Mary? 1465 01:11:41.189 --> 01:11:43.590 Arrival, yeah, by Ted Chiang. 1466 01:11:44.210 --> 01:11:45.149 I have not read the book. 1467 01:11:45.289 --> 01:11:47.449 I think that was the name of it. Yeah, his name, yeah. 1468 01:11:48.449 --> 01:11:51.159 Hadn't even considered it, actually. Now I'm considering it. 1469 01:11:51.729 --> 01:11:53.489 It's a little bit, I think it's like a novella 1470 01:11:53.529 --> 01:11:56.069 if I remember correctly. It's not that long. Uh, I 1471 01:11:56.130 --> 01:11:58.170 could be wrong, but it's, it's been a while. I 1472 01:11:58.189 --> 01:12:00.229 remember reading it before it came out. Cause I was 1473 01:12:00.270 --> 01:12:02.300 a big, you know, we read a lot of sci-fi 1474 01:12:02.420 --> 01:12:04.180 and fantasy, especially short stories. 1475 01:12:04.579 -->

01:12:07.180 But I feel like even assuming that aliens would have 1476 01:12:07.220 --> 01:12:10.960 the same concept of math is a big jump in assumptions. 1477 01:12:11.460 --> 01:12:11.640 Yeah. 1478 01:12:12.199 --> 01:12:14.489 Well, you know, when we were talking about contact earlier and, 1479 01:12:15.619 --> 01:12:18.829 you know, just thinking about with just the different, you know, 1480 01:12:18.890 --> 01:12:22.079 different people that have been on earth, um, They didn't 1481 01:12:22.100 --> 01:12:27.159 all use base 10 for math just on Earth. And 1482 01:12:27.220 --> 01:12:29.479 I think one of the interesting... One of the things 1483 01:12:29.500 --> 01:12:33.020 with contact is it was like a three-dimensional math. And 1484 01:12:33.039 --> 01:12:35.020 that was how they suddenly fit everything together when they 1485 01:12:35.060 --> 01:12:37.460 realized it wasn't just like a linear sequence. It was 1486 01:12:37.500 --> 01:12:42.699 a shape. But yeah, I mean, trying to figure out 1487 01:12:42.729 --> 01:12:45.949 the way... Maybe that's what quantum computing would be good for. 1488 01:12:47.050 --> 01:12:53.489 Another civilization would count you... would be interesting because, you know, 1489 01:12:53.510 --> 01:12:57.109 you might consider or you hear people say that math 1490 01:12:57.189 --> 01:13:00.810 is a universal language, but you still have those issues 1491 01:13:00.930 --> 01:13:03.630 of concepts of how it would work and how you would, 1492 01:13:03.890 --> 01:13:05.970 you know, what kind of base system you would use 1493 01:13:06.029 --> 01:13:09.689 for it. What if some culture's base is a million 1494 01:13:09.710 --> 01:13:12.970 or something? How do you manage that? 1495 01:13:13.909 --> 01:13:17.810 Because I think Sumeria was base six, if I remember right. 1496 01:13:17.829 --> 01:13:18.939 Yeah. 1497 01:13:19.020 --> 01:13:19.140 Mm-hmm. 1498 01:13:19.810 --> 01:13:24.630 And, yeah, I mean, that is a very– it affects everything. Yeah. 1499 01:13:24.710 --> 01:13:27.960 But we're also assuming that they process things in a 1500 01:13:28.020 --> 01:13:30.359 way that allows them to do math like we do. 1501 01:13:30.880 --> 01:13:31.140 Mm-hmm. 1502 01:13:31.779 --> 01:13:36.270 Yeah, right. Look at all the other sentient– I believe 1503 01:13:36.489 --> 01:13:40.119 all animals and plants are probably sentient to some degree– 1504 01:13:40.260 --> 01:13:43.460 And how many can we one-on-one communicate with? I would 1505 01:13:43.500 --> 01:13:44.020 say none. 1506 01:13:44.039 --> 01:13:44.460 Right. 1507 01:13:44.560 --> 01:13:46.640 You know, like, yeah, you could communicate with your dog 1508 01:13:46.680 --> 01:13:48.920 or your cat or whatever pet to a degree, but 1509 01:13:48.939 --> 01:13:51.640 they're not seeing reality the same way you are. Right. 1510 01:13:52.119 --> 01:13:53.500 If you say to your dog, you want to go 1511 01:13:53.520 --> 01:13:55.699 for a ride? The dog will be like,

sure, I 1512 01:13:55.739 --> 01:13:57.359 love going for a ride. And then you take him 1513 01:13:57.380 --> 01:14:00.220 to the vet and he's like, I didn't see this coming, 1514 01:14:00.260 --> 01:14:04.460 you know? Yeah. Because they're not, and they don't understand 1515 01:14:04.600 --> 01:14:07.479 why you're taking them to this place they probably don't like. 1516 01:14:07.960 --> 01:14:08.380 Yeah. Right. 1517 01:14:09.329 --> 01:14:12.869 Like, this is all just mysterious to them. And we 1518 01:14:12.909 --> 01:14:14.970 don't know how they process those things. And then you 1519 01:14:14.989 --> 01:14:17.489 look at something like a tree, which seems to have, 1520 01:14:17.510 --> 01:14:20.449 you know, plants seem to have conscious responses to things. 1521 01:14:20.850 --> 01:14:23.909 And we're finding that out more and more. And that 1522 01:14:23.949 --> 01:14:27.640 also ties into the whole fungal system as well. You know, 1523 01:14:27.819 --> 01:14:31.600 them interacting with that to move information back and forth. 1524 01:14:31.659 --> 01:14:34.180 But you imagine a tree is going to process things 1525 01:14:34.239 --> 01:14:36.800 on a completely different time scale. Yeah. You know, even 1526 01:14:36.840 --> 01:14:40.340 a plant moving toward or away from something is processing 1527 01:14:40.399 --> 01:14:41.859 on a very different time scale. 1528 01:14:41.899 --> 01:14:42.079 Yeah. 1529 01:14:42.180 --> 01:14:45.270 What looks to us like days, maybe seconds for it. 1530 01:14:45.279 --> 01:14:45.510 Yeah. 1531 01:14:45.659 --> 01:14:47.750 And then you have a tree that's 600 years old 1532 01:14:47.850 --> 01:14:50.529 and it's, you know, like we can't conceive of that. Yeah. 1533 01:14:50.609 --> 01:14:53.149 But to it, it may not be that long because 1534 01:14:53.250 --> 01:14:56.529 it's assessment of time is different. And we have no 1535 01:14:56.569 --> 01:14:57.930 way of knowing. We have no way of knowing if 1536 01:14:57.989 --> 01:14:59.909 each other have the same assessment of time. 1537 01:14:59.970 --> 01:15:00.170 Yeah. 1538 01:15:00.289 --> 01:15:02.229 I mean, some people clearly have a better sense of 1539 01:15:02.289 --> 01:15:05.569 time than others. And some people are time blind. 1540 01:15:06.329 --> 01:15:06.810 It's true. 1541 01:15:06.829 --> 01:15:11.260 Oh, my gosh, yes. I know a few people like that. 1542 01:15:11.319 --> 01:15:11.819 Oh, my God. 1543 01:15:12.319 --> 01:15:14.960 And sometimes it's just because they're inconsiderate, and other times 1544 01:15:15.000 --> 01:15:16.300 it's because they're just time blind. 1545 01:15:17.039 --> 01:15:17.279 Yeah. 1546 01:15:17.420 --> 01:15:19.279 And we all get it if you get caught up 1547 01:15:19.359 --> 01:15:21.399 in something, you know? I mean. Yeah. 1548 01:15:21.720 --> 01:15:23.680 It could be a good thing. You can get, you know, 1549 01:15:24.619 --> 01:15:27.180 what is it, in a flow state, in the zone. 1550 01:15:27.199 -->

01:15:27.270 Yep. 1551 01:15:28.029 --> 01:15:30.130 Well, and that's one of the things that had impressed 1552 01:15:30.170 --> 01:15:33.750 me about the Seth material was him saying that time 1553 01:15:33.810 --> 01:15:37.180 passes at the speed that your brain processes what's going 1554 01:15:37.239 --> 01:15:41.000 on around you. Right. And I thought, whoa, because when 1555 01:15:41.020 --> 01:15:44.560 you're sitting around bored, time crawls. But when you're doing stuff, 1556 01:15:44.579 --> 01:15:46.699 you know, stuff you don't want to do if you're busy, 1557 01:15:46.899 --> 01:15:47.560 time flies. 1558 01:15:48.180 --> 01:15:48.380 Yeah. 1559 01:15:48.619 --> 01:15:48.899 Right. 1560 01:15:49.140 --> 01:15:51.229 And it's like, well, that would make sense if time 1561 01:15:51.310 --> 01:15:55.090 is perceived by what, how much you're processing. So hypothetically, 1562 01:15:55.130 --> 01:15:58.949 if something could inject a bunch of stuff into your 1563 01:15:59.149 --> 01:16:03.560 mind and like kind of hyperdrive your, your, your, your 1564 01:16:03.569 --> 01:16:07.439 brain processor, time might pass much faster for you than 1565 01:16:07.460 --> 01:16:09.100 it seemed like it should have. 1566 01:16:09.739 --> 01:16:12.399 Oh, I'm sure. So you, I think that we do that. 1567 01:16:12.520 --> 01:16:14.859 We do that to ourselves. Sometimes I think that that 1568 01:16:14.880 --> 01:16:18.829 could be done to us. Um, uh, Yeah, this is, again, 1569 01:16:18.869 --> 01:16:22.920 the guy I always talk about, Itzhak Bentov, he talks 1570 01:16:22.979 --> 01:16:25.359 about this and how it's a good, you can think 1571 01:16:25.399 --> 01:16:27.600 of time as the swing of a pendulum because that's 1572 01:16:27.619 --> 01:16:30.340 what he always does it. And how we, we're kind 1573 01:16:30.380 --> 01:16:33.319 of oscillating in the way that we exist in this 1574 01:16:33.960 --> 01:16:36.680 state that, you know, when people are meditating, what you're 1575 01:16:36.720 --> 01:16:40.170 kind of doing is you're like, you're extending this period 1576 01:16:40.369 --> 01:16:44.850 where your consciousness essentially loops back into the infinite and 1577 01:16:44.930 --> 01:16:48.050 that what we're doing, but you know, our consciousness is 1578 01:16:48.449 --> 01:16:51.369 interfacing with all of these other things, but it's just 1579 01:16:51.470 --> 01:16:54.520 on the cycle of, where we're only able to kind 1580 01:16:54.600 --> 01:16:59.380 of see an interface with what is here. But you 1581 01:16:59.439 --> 01:17:06.039 can extend that and change it by essentially changing how 1582 01:17:06.300 --> 01:17:10.369 long the pendulum is at a particular point when it 1583 01:17:10.430 --> 01:17:13.010 is swinging. I'm saying it in a very stupid way, 1584 01:17:13.289 --> 01:17:17.369 and I'll say, again, encourage people to read the books, 1585 01:17:17.409 --> 01:17:19.939 which are all on archive.org, so easy to find. 1586 01:17:20.619 --> 01:17:23.029 But if we think about it this way, Let's say 1587 01:17:23.069 --> 01:17:26.100 we interact with another intelligence. We're in an altered state 1588 01:17:26.119 --> 01:17:30.380 of consciousness. We're interacting with something that's giving us a 1589 01:17:30.579 --> 01:17:35.210 lot more information, stimuli, processing than we're used to. And 1590 01:17:35.250 --> 01:17:37.989 then we snap back to normal consciousness and we have 1591 01:17:38.069 --> 01:17:38.810 missing time. 1592 01:17:39.010 --> 01:17:41.770 Yes. 1593 01:17:41.829 --> 01:17:45.800 Because we can't in the normal state of mind understand 1594 01:17:45.840 --> 01:17:48.720 everything that just happened because we have this distorted view 1595 01:17:48.779 --> 01:17:51.739 of it, like a, like, you know, a half remembered dream. 1596 01:17:52.060 --> 01:17:52.399 Yeah. 1597 01:17:52.640 --> 01:17:55.180 But in reality, we were given a lot of information. 1598 01:17:55.199 --> 01:17:55.279 Yeah. 1599 01:17:56.380 --> 01:17:59.449 And we're just like, how is it three hours? You know, 1600 01:17:59.489 --> 01:18:01.630 like how, you know, where did that time go? 1601 01:18:01.649 --> 01:18:03.470 Yeah, totally. 1602 01:18:04.550 --> 01:18:08.189 So it, and again, how do we test something like that? 1603 01:18:08.489 --> 01:18:08.680 Yeah. 1604 01:18:08.800 --> 01:18:11.930 Cause missing time is definitely a thing. Um, Of course, 1605 01:18:11.970 --> 01:18:14.989 then there's also where, you know, someone like Jeff Ritzman, 1606 01:18:15.050 --> 01:18:17.430 where he had the guy in the car, which turned 1607 01:18:17.449 --> 01:18:19.289 out to be the robed figure he would see later. 1608 01:18:19.729 --> 01:18:22.029 And he gave him a ride and found himself like 1609 01:18:22.069 --> 01:18:25.630 two states away. So that's not really missing time because 1610 01:18:25.670 --> 01:18:27.810 it took less time for him to get to someplace 1611 01:18:27.829 --> 01:18:29.970 he couldn't possibly have gotten to in that time. 1612 01:18:30.729 --> 01:18:31.029 Right. 1613 01:18:31.149 --> 01:18:33.609 Which means you have a similar type of thing, but 1614 01:18:33.869 --> 01:18:38.069 possibly with a completely different explanation. Because he also may 1615 01:18:38.090 --> 01:18:40.689 have been in an altered state of consciousness. You know, 1616 01:18:40.729 --> 01:18:44.699 dealing with this being. And if anyone doesn't know that story, 1617 01:18:44.760 --> 01:18:46.640 I'm pretty sure he talks about it the first time 1618 01:18:46.680 --> 01:18:48.550 he was on Where Did the Road Go back in, 1619 01:18:49.189 --> 01:18:53.130 I don't even know, 2012. maybe? I don't remember. Years 1620 01:18:53.189 --> 01:18:54.939 are all the same at this point, I'm pretty sure. 1621 01:18:54.949 --> 01:18:58.920 This is part of time going by so fast. 1622 01:18:59.539 --> 01:19:02.819 There is a search bar on wheredotheroadgo.com, and if you 1623 01:19:02.840 -->

01:19:06.119 put in Jeff Ritzman, you'll find all his appearances. And 1624 01:19:06.220 --> 01:19:08.220 any mention of him on the website will come up. 1625 01:19:09.250 --> 01:19:11.489 and you can find those shows. But I also did 1626 01:19:11.529 --> 01:19:13.859 a super cut when he passed away of all of 1627 01:19:13.899 --> 01:19:18.260 his appearances, including the Patreon ones. So that's available, I think, 1628 01:19:18.619 --> 01:19:21.010 in two parts because there was so much of it. 1629 01:19:21.380 --> 01:19:22.199 Yeah, I think you did it too. 1630 01:19:22.380 --> 01:19:22.579 Yeah. 1631 01:19:22.920 --> 01:19:25.260 So same with the UFO history at one point. I 1632 01:19:25.300 --> 01:19:26.960 put them all together. I was just going to put 1633 01:19:27.239 --> 01:19:29.600 them up at one, and I think it was 20 1634 01:19:29.600 --> 01:19:32.939 hours long, and YouTube's like, nope, you can only do 10. 1635 01:19:32.939 --> 01:19:35.300 And I went, oh, I guess it's two parts then. 1636 01:19:36.939 --> 01:19:40.680 And I think with the podcast feed, I think there's 1637 01:19:40.720 --> 01:19:43.260 just a size limitation, not a length limitation. So I 1638 01:19:43.279 --> 01:19:45.720 think I had to reduce the quality of it slightly, 1639 01:19:46.300 --> 01:19:47.880 but still had to break it into two parts. 1640 01:19:48.399 --> 01:19:48.579 Yeah. 1641 01:19:48.899 --> 01:19:52.640 Anyway, we are going to do a Patreon and hear 1642 01:19:52.659 --> 01:19:54.439 an interesting story from Saxon. 1643 01:19:54.800 --> 01:19:55.119 Yes. 1644 01:19:55.640 --> 01:19:58.600 And I thank both of you for this conversation. Chris, 1645 01:19:58.619 --> 01:19:59.600 they can find you where? 1646 01:20:00.050 --> 01:20:03.029 So I have, you can still try going to Bright Rectangle, 1647 01:20:03.050 --> 01:20:06.689 but I have a new website name, which is Fauna Films, 1648 01:20:06.930 --> 01:20:10.840 F-A-N-A Films, easier to use, but it's all the same stuff. 1649 01:20:11.060 --> 01:20:11.939 And you can find me here. 1650 01:20:12.460 --> 01:20:13.899 So what is Fauna Films? 1651 01:20:15.020 --> 01:20:18.119 It is just a rebranding, let's say, because Bright Rectangle 1652 01:20:18.140 --> 01:20:19.960 is stuff that I was doing with a different partner. 1653 01:20:19.979 --> 01:20:20.359 Right. 1654 01:20:20.479 --> 01:20:23.430 And I'm changing to do some other stuff. So if 1655 01:20:23.470 --> 01:20:27.789 Fauna is a, it means it's the mystical Sufi word 1656 01:20:27.909 --> 01:20:31.229 for annihilation of the mind. Oh, so it was just 1657 01:20:31.270 --> 01:20:34.590 a cool name that sounded good with, uh, films and, uh, 1658 01:20:34.789 --> 01:20:37.210 the website was available. So that is my new brand. 1659 01:20:37.430 --> 01:20:39.989 Okay. And Saxon, you know, uh. 1660 01:20:40.130 --> 01:20:43.149 Instagram, if you look me up on a super info manual, 1661 01:20:43.189 --> 01:20:45.949 find me on there. I've got a Facebook profile and 1662 01:20:45.989 --> 01:20:46.930 then you can find me here. 1663 01:20:46.949 --> 01:20:47.609 All right. 1664 01:20:47.630 --> 01:20:48.170 Thank you both. 1665 01:20:48.270 --> 01:20:48.930 Thank you. Thank you. 1666 01:20:50.289 --> 01:20:51.689 I want to take a couple of minutes here to 1667 01:20:51.729 --> 01:20:55.699 thank all of my Patreons and, uh, A special shout 1668 01:20:55.779 --> 01:20:59.859 out to those of you pledging $ 10 or more. Greg Ross. 1669 01:21:00.100 --> 01:21:05.670 Cherry Trapezoid. Tactical Therapist. John Blackburn. 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at least 1694 01:22:59.039 --> 01:23:01.460 a segment per show. Every great once in a while 1695 01:23:01.500 --> 01:23:03.319 there's not, but it's very rare. I don't think there's 1696 01:23:03.340 --> 01:23:05.159 been a show this year that hasn't had a Patreon 1697 01:23:05.189 --> 01:23:08.149 segment and extra stuff in addition to all that for 1698 01:23:08.199 --> 01:23:10.630 only three bucks. And it helps support the show immensely. 1699 01:23:11.159 --> 01:23:13.880 as does leaving good reviews and stuff for us wherever 1700 01:23:13.899 --> 01:23:16.560 you're listening. I do want to welcome one new patron 1701 01:23:16.619 --> 01:23:19.800 this week, and that is Matt Elder. Thank you for 1702 01:23:19.880 --> 01:23:22.579 joining up and for the support. All right, I have 1703 01:23:22.640 --> 01:23:25.500 two short Magonia stories for you to end the show tonight. 1704 01:23:25.600 --> 01:23:30.729 They're both from India. A strange story from Bihar. Scare 1705 01:23:30.819 --> 01:23:35.510 among the peasantry. This probably should have been the story 1706 01:23:35.569 --> 01:23:37.350 I read at the end of one of Josh's shows, 1707 01:23:37.430 --> 01:23:41.039 but I didn't have it then. Calcutta, May 17th, and 1708 01:23:41.060 --> 01:23:48.840 this actually comes from 1913, Times of Ceylon. Scare amongst 1709 01:23:48.859 --> 01:23:53.260 the peasantry. During the past fortnight, the peasantry of northern 1710 01:23:53.300 --> 01:23:56.779 Bihar have been greatly alarmed by stories of groups of 1711 01:23:56.899 --> 01:24:00.350 lights seen at night as if lanterns were being carried 1712 01:24:00.430 --> 01:24:04.479 by men. but when surrounded, the lights disappear. Apparently, the 1713 01:24:04.500 --> 01:24:07.199 phenomena is not a trick of the decoit, which is, 1714 01:24:07.239 --> 01:24:10.399 I guess, robbers in that area, a word that is 1715 01:24:10.500 --> 01:24:14.520 used for that, since no robberies have occurred. The correspondent 1716 01:24:14.680 --> 01:24:21.739 of the Englishman states that the scare began at Araja? Araj? 1717 01:24:21.880 --> 01:24:28.329 Maybe Araj. Near, ah man, Tuqualia? Nine miles from, I 1718 01:24:28.369 --> 01:24:32.640 don't know how to pronounce these places properly. in 10 1719 01:24:32.640 --> 01:24:40.890 days has traveled 40 miles towards Mazufpur and Madahari. Once 1720 01:24:40.970 --> 01:24:43.609 seen at a village, the lights do not return, but 1721 01:24:43.649 --> 01:24:47.029 they are reported often in many villages on the same night, 1722 01:24:47.170 --> 01:24:50.560 often 10 or 20 miles apart. So besides my mangling 1723 01:24:50.600 --> 01:24:53.880 that a little bit, that's interesting. It's definitely a weird 1724 01:24:53.899 --> 01:24:56.619 light phenomena type of thing. It's interesting that they could 1725 01:24:56.699 --> 01:24:58.970 surround them and then they just disappeared. I don't think 1726 01:24:59.010 --> 01:25:00.890 I've heard of that before. And the other one comes 1727 01:25:00.930 --> 01:25:05.989 from 1908 in India, and it says, Raining hair. A 1728 01:25:06.090 --> 01:25:11.369 strange experience in Rangoon. Calcutta, June 30th. A strange phenomena 1729 01:25:11.470 --> 01:25:14.979 occurred in the Rangoon environs on Sunday. In the course 1730 01:25:15.020 --> 01:25:18.739 of a shower of rain, there descended large quantities of white, brown, 1731 01:25:18.800 --> 01:25:22.140 and black horse hair, the pieces being from one inch 1732 01:25:22.199 --> 01:25:25.569 to two feet long. Probably a consignment taken up in 1733 01:25:25.590 --> 01:25:28.189 a water spout at sea. It's always the water spout. 1734 01:25:28.479 --> 01:25:32.000 I don't know. That's another really weird one. I don't 1735 01:25:33.000 --> 01:25:34.880 see how a water spout's going to just pick up hair. 1736 01:25:35.319 --> 01:25:39.539 That's such a weird explanation that just gets accepted by people. 1737 01:25:39.920 --> 01:25:42.460 We've never seen it happen. I mean, shouldn't somebody be 1738 01:25:42.560 --> 01:25:44.239 missing a whole ton of horse hair if it came 1739 01:25:44.279 --> 01:25:46.649 raining down somewhere else? I mean, it's one thing when 1740 01:25:46.670 --> 01:25:48.970 there's some frogs. Maybe they won't be missing some frogs, 1741 01:25:49.050 --> 01:25:52.130 but horse hair... I mean, someone's got to be like, hey, 1742 01:25:52.149 --> 01:25:54.689 that was our horsehair. I mean, it's far enough ago 1743 01:25:54.729 --> 01:25:57.310 that I guess communication wouldn't be great, but I'm thinking 1744 01:25:57.329 --> 01:26:00.489 waterspout doesn't really explain it. This stuff seems way more 1745 01:26:00.569 --> 01:26:04.479 trickstery to me than anything else. It's apporting into the 1746 01:26:04.539 --> 01:26:07.180 rain somehow. I don't know. Anyway, I'm going to take 1747 01:26:07.199 --> 01:26:10.020 you out with some Eliza Rickman. Man, I love this song. 1748 01:26:10.279 --> 01:26:14.039 Pretty Little Head off of her album, Oh, You Sinners. 1749 01:26:14.079 --> 01:26:16.119 You can find it on Bandcamp, and I'll see you 1750 01:26:16.159 --> 01:26:16.600 next time. 1751 01:26:34.920 --> 01:26:38.659 Hook, line, and sinker, drop it down to the bottom. 1752 01:26:39.260 --> 01:26:44.399 Butterfly flow, flick a sword to the top. Kill for 1753 01:26:44.439 --> 01:26:47.359 the thrill, cut it, stick it where you got them. 1754 01:26:47.970 --> 01:26:51.810 Circle rolling under, running red to the stop. 1755 01:26:52.329 --> 01:26:58.289 Where's your mother? Fall down dead. Dirty mind, dirty mouth, 1756 01:26:58.369 --> 01:27:02.890 pretty little head. I wish you were here, I wish 1757 01:27:02.930 --> 01:27:27.750 you'd make my bed. Dirty mind, dirty mouth, pretty little head. Sister, 1758 01:27:27.810 --> 01:27:32.470 bring it here to push it down below Catch yourself 1759 01:27:32.609 --> 01:27:36.829 a look and let it go, go, go Wanna have 1760 01:27:36.869 --> 01:27:41.949

your baby, but I'm so, so slow Don't you worry, honey, 1761 01:27:41.970 --> 01:27:43.409 cause I can't. 1762 01:27:43.090 --> 01:27:46.310 Say no But where's your mother? 1763 01:27:46.890 --> 01:27:52.250 Fall down dead Dirty mind, dirty mind, pretty little head 1764 01:27:53.289 --> 01:27:57.159 I wish you were here. I wish you'd make my bed. 1765 01:28:19.350 --> 01:28:25.000 Take a breath, my heart, and hold your tongue. 1766 01:28:25.079 --> 01:28:28.340 Just a conch in the ear of. 1767 01:28:28.500 --> 01:28:33.770 All my love. 1768 01:28:33.819 --> 01:28:36.989 Take a breath, my heart. 1769 01:28:37.229 --> 01:28:39.510 And hold your tongue. 1770 01:28:40.369 --> 01:28:40.829 Tongue. 1771 01:29:11.979 --> 01:29:17.819 Where's your mother? Fall down dead. Dirty mind, dirty mouth, 1772 01:29:18.000 --> 01:29:22.100 pretty little head. I wish you were here. 1773 01:29:22.159 --> 01:29:23.060 I wish you'd. 1774 01:29:22.880 --> 01:29:24.479 Make my bed. 1775 01:29:24.550 --> 01:29:28.229 Dirty mind, dirty mouth, pretty little head. 1776 01:29:29.170 --> 01:29:31.029 Where's your mother? 1777 01:29:31.050 --> 01:29:33.149 Fall down dead. 1778 01:29:33.210 --> 01:29:38.689 Dirty mind, dirty mouth, pretty little head. I wish you 1779 01:29:38.710 --> 01:29:44.050 were here, I wish you'd make my bed. Dirty mind, dirty. 1780 01:29:43.649 --> 01:29:45.770 Mouth, pretty little head. 1781 01:29:46.640 --> 01:29:48.460 But where's your mother? 1782 01:29:48.479 --> 01:29:50.619 Fall down dead. 1783 01:29:50.699 --> 01:29:56.079 Dirty mind, dirty mouth, pretty little head. I wish you 1784 01:29:56.100 --> 01:30:00.260 were here, I wish you'd make my bed. Dirty mind, 1785 01:30:00.319 --> 01:30:02.760 dirty mouth, pretty little head. 1786 01:30:05.279 --> 01:30:07.979 You have been listening to Where Did the Road Go? 1787 01:30:09.520 --> 01:30:12.670 This show is brought to you in part by our Patreons. 1788 01:30:14.350 --> 01:30:23.859 You can find more at www.wheredidtheroadgo.com Website designed by John Tudor. 1789 01:30:24.100 --> 01:30:30.520 The intro for this show was reimagined by Andrew Hamm, a.k.a. 1790 01:30:30.859 --> 01:30:36.109 Lord Hapness on Spotify. And the voice is Psyche Kamir 1791 01:30:36.170 --> 01:30:43.180 of Psyche Corporation. Artwork for the show designed by Timothy Renner, 1792 01:30:43.199 --> 01:30:52.079 Jeff Ritzman, and Nadeem Mahibahi. General inquiries, comments, etc. can 1793 01:30:52.119 --> 01:30:59.890 be directed to contact at wheredidtheroadgo.com. Thank you all for 1794 01:30:59.939 --> 01:31:12.880 listening and for all the support. www.wheredidtheroadgo.com Hi, everybody. 1795 01:31:13.199 --> 01:31:17.390 It's me, Cinderella Axe. You are listening to the Fringe 1796 01:31:17.729 --> 01:31:22.449 Radio Network. I know I was going to tell them, hey, 1797 01:31:22.489 --> 01:31:22.829 do you. 1798 01:31:22.770 --> 01:31:25.409 Have the app? It's the best way to listen to 1799 01:31:25.430 --> 01:31:28.970 the Fringe Radio Network. It's safe, and you don't have 1800 01:31:28.989 --> 01:31:31.609 to log in to use it, and it doesn't track 1801 01:31:31.670 --> 01:31:34.689 you or trace you And it sounds beautiful. 1802 01:31:34.699 --> 01:31:36.350 I know. 1803 01:31:36.409 --> 01:31:38.369 I was going to tell him. How do you get 1804 01:31:38.390 --> 01:31:43.380 the app? Just go to FringeRadioNetwork.com. Right at the top 1805 01:31:43.420 --> 01:31:46.859 of the page. I know, Slippers. We've got to keep 1806 01:31:46.920 --> 01:31:48.050 cleaning these chimneys.