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The 'Daily Show' host revisits his childhood in apartheid-era South Africa in his new memoir, 'Born a Crime.' Noah says writing the book helped him see that his mother was the real hero of his story. [Originally broadcast Nov. 2016] David Edelstein reviews 'Rogue One.'
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00:00:00From the bue h why why in philadelphia I'm terry gross with fresh air today Trevor noah the host of the daily show talks about satya rising president elect donald trump it's almost fitting isn't it When there was a half black half white half african man in the white
00:00:16house he was being mocked by donald trump Now donald trump gets mark by half black half white african man when he's in the white house know his new memoir born a crime is about growing up in apartheid era south africa When he was conceived it was illegal in
00:00:31south africa for a black woman like his mother and a white man like his father to have intimate relations if they were caught frat earn izing my mom would spend a week in jail here we can have two weeks It was just like time when my mom would
00:00:43be caught and my grandma's tell me she'll be back and nobody knew what anybody was The police didn't afford your phone call You just disappeared for a while Trevor noah coming up on fresh air support for npr and the following message come from amazon studios and a roadside
00:01:03attractions presenting manchester by the sea now nominated for five golden globe awards best picture best actor casey affleck best supporting actress michelle williams and kenneth lonergan for best screenplay and best director also winner of four national board of review awards including best picture and three new york film
00:01:24critics circle awards including best actor casey athlete rolling stone declares manchester by the sea of four star masterpiece now playing last night the daily show presented its final new edition of the year it was a big week for host trevor noah monday the daily show broadcast noah's interview
00:01:46with president obama today we get to spend some time in trevor noah's company as we listened back to the interview i recorded with him in november no it took over the daily show last year after the departure of jon stewart Now he has a new memoir called born
00:02:01a crime and he literally wass he south african the son of a black mother and white father when noah was born in nineteen eighty four during the apartheid era it was illegal for a black person and a white person to have sexual relations as you can imagine this
00:02:17lead to complications for noah and for his mother who he lived with trevor noah traveled the world doing stand up comedy before he took over the daily show trevor noah welcome to fresh air thank you so much for having me does donald trump's election change at all how
00:02:33you see the role of the daily show I think it does because if you think of where the daily show was when i inherited it from jon stewart i was in a space where essentially everything seemed like it was on track you know in terms ofthe from a
00:02:51progressive point of view you know you're looking at republicans who yes we're in control of many facets of government but at the same time you had barack obama's the president you had hillary clinton on track or the democrats looking good and you know donald trump was just a
00:03:07kn entertaining buffoon to to watch and over time you came to realize that donald trump was appealing to a lot of people with his populist message and slowly i think even as a show we started shifting in tone as the election started shifting are you concerned about donald
00:03:26trump's statement that he's going to tighten the libel laws now you're satire and satire is protected as long as it's clearly satya yes and people wouldn't confuse it with facts and i think your show is clearly a satirical programme yes nevertheless are you concerned that there might be
00:03:45any effort to prevent you doing what you're doing I don't know i don't i don't think i myself and personally afraid i do worry for the press though because donald trump has shown himself to be extremely thin skinned he does not take criticism well nor does he appreciate
00:04:05reporting on his life so if he says that if he wins he's going to do you know dismantle the libel laws and come after the newspapers i feel like we should take him at his word this is the same man who has been writing letters to people who
00:04:22he's you know bears a grudge against for twenty years So if donald trump says that i don't know why you wouldn't want to believe him ah morning if you've been getting any extremist racist tweets or emails directed at you because of the satire thatyou do about trump oh
00:04:46yeah but i mean that's that's just twitter that thing yeah that was there before the show i wouldn't you know i wouldn't say in my world that that came specifically from donald trump You know twitter is a place where there is extreme vitriol at all times so i
00:05:02would be lying if i said i noticed ah ah different i will say this though one of the people from my online team said he didn't notice almost immediately after the trump victory within the following days he noticed that there was a severe spike in hateful messages that
00:05:22were coming towards me Did you face anything like that in south africa Well we have a fair amount of racism you know i grew up in a country that well i don't mean when you were going oh you mean on twitter Yeah i mean like we're doing comedy
00:05:34oh no not no not really not really actually know that there was something i had some people who disagreed with me here or there but nothing as strong as i've received you know coming to america this is interesting because you grew up in an area where the races
00:05:49were legally separated Yes you come to democratic america and that's when the really hate starts coming at you yeah that is the irony of life so i guess i always tell people i go i feel like in a strange way i'm home you know this doesn't shock me
00:06:05This is just i've come a long way to be in a place that is extremely familiar to me Your book is called born a crime because you are officially the product of a crime Your mother is black and your father is white part swiss part german and your
00:06:20book opens with the law with a word for word version of the law that made that relationship illegal It's the reason why your book is called born a crime i want you to actually read the wording of this nineteen twenty seven south african law So this is the
00:06:37immorality act of nineteen twenty seven to prohibit illicit carnal intercourse between europeans and natives and other acts in relation there to be it enacted by the king's most excellent majesty the senate and the house of assembly of the union of south africa as follows point number one any
00:06:57european male who has illicit carnal intercourse with the nature of female and any native male who has illicit carnal intercourse with the european female shall be guilty of an offence and liable on conviction to imprisonment for a period not exceeding five years Any native female who permits any
00:07:15european male to have illicit carnal intercourse with her and any european female who permits any native male to have elicits carnal intercourse with her shall be guilty of an offence and liable on conviction to imprisonment for a period not exceeding four years How old were you when you
00:07:32first heard about this law I don't even remember hearing about it I just knew about it i was born into it so i don't remember my parents ever saying it to me I don't remember a conversation ever being had around this I just knew this to be the
00:07:47law because that's what i was growing up in during that time in south africa So how aware were you growing up that you were the product of a crime And if people saw you they might realize that your mother was officially guilty I wasn't aware it all and
00:08:02i was really lucky that i wasn't away because i think that would have changed my childhood and my view on the world drastically you know i i existed in a space where my mother was a black woman My father was a white man and that's how i saw
00:08:17the world was just like you know some dads are white and some moms or black and that's that's how it is but that's not how it was in south africa somewhere where you're protected so that you were able to see yourself and your parents that way Well it
00:08:31was just how my parents treated me It was the world They decided to show me I was really sheltered My grandmother kept me locked in the house when i was staying you know with the family in soweto and every household for instance had to have a registry off
00:08:45everyone who lived in that house And so the police would check in on you randomly and they would come into the house and they would look through that registry and look at all the names of all the people who are registered to be living in the house And
00:08:58they would you know cross reference that with the actual inhabitants of the dwelling and i was never on that piece of paper i was always hit and my grandmother would hide me somewhere the police did show up and it was it was a constant game of hide and
00:09:13seek but i didn't know why anything was happening your child if you're told to go to the bedroom and you know go under the bed then you go under the bed but you don't i never saw it as a as a fearful moment i never saw this something
00:09:27ah that was governing my life because i was i was so young that i didn't ask questions the way you describe it in your book your mother and your father were friends and they would kind of go to places that were like underground so that you could kind
00:09:43of be black and white together and those are the places where many people mixed if they wanted to mix which was against the law my mother was part of that group my father was part of that group people who were black and white and indian and asian and
00:09:59you came together and said we choose to mix at the risk of being arrested and so they did so how was the law enforced like if we're people supposed to be snitching on your parents that's that's predominantly the way it works where they encourage people were encouraged to
00:10:20snatch people were encouraged to snitch it was a police states so there were police everywhere they were undercover police that we uniformed police the state was being surveilled the entire time you know communications were monitored on dh anyone could snitch you know it could be your neighbor if
00:10:40you were living in a white area it could be your neighbor if you're living in a black area a lot of black people worked with the police as snitches we used to call them beam pees where i grew up and you know they were afforded special privileges that
00:10:53may have been paid by the police but you never knew who was informing on you we lived even next door to or two doors away from us was a known informant in soweto this was a black man and you know he was working with the apartheid police to
00:11:10to help curtail any resistance that may that may arise So i'm wondering given the climate that you grew up with where snitching was encouraged where the relationship your parents had was illegal where black people in the townships had to register they had to carry ieds when you hear
00:11:28about the possibility of muslims having to register under the trump administration what do you think about i think it's i think it's despicable i also think it's frightening that we seem to live through history over and over again and i don't know if i'm the only one i
00:11:44feel like when you read through history books you always judge those people in that time who is go How could they let that happen How did that come to be and then you you hear whisperings of that in the time that we live in and i always say
00:12:00to people you know someone goes all well but what are you going to do about terrorist attacks and muslims We got to do something and i go don't let those in power trick you out of your freedoms by using your fear you know it's the reason the united
00:12:17states fell into the patriot act because they were reacting we'll do that as human beings you know it's what my mom would call shopping on an empty stomach you're going to buy food that you shouldn't because at the time you were reacting to your hunger and people should
00:12:34always be wary of that because the precedent is set and it's so much easier to be build on the foundation that it is something that doesn't exist So you see there's something that's happening to people that are not you and then expands and expands further and then one
00:12:51day you're on a registry getting back to your family Your mother was arrested several times during your childhood during apartheid because of her relationship with your father because they had carnal sexual intercourse Yes you were and you were the product of that so how much time would you
00:13:09estimate she actually spent in prison I was really lucky in that my mom and dad never got court in the act so to speak so my mom was caught fraternizing with my dad my mom was caught you know in the building that my father lived in my mom
00:13:24was caught in a white neighborhood past curfew without the right permits my mother was caught in transition and that was key because had she been caught in the act then as the law says she could have spent anyway up to four years in prison so on and off
00:13:42my mom would spend a week in jail she would spend a day in jail here week again in a week and a half two weeks my grandmother tells me stories of how you know because i would be at the house i wouldn't notice that my mom was gone
00:13:54because she would be at work sometimes so it was just like time when my mom would be gone and my grandad tell me she'll be she'll be back and nobody knew what anybody was the police did afford your phone call you just disappeared for a while and what
00:14:06was scary was we lived in a state where some people disappeared forever You know if the police believed that they were planning any form of resistance against the state then you were just gone nobody knew where you were and you just hoped to see that family member again
00:14:22i found it interesting that they were black people who also hated your mother for having relations with a white man you tell a story about being in a mini buffs which basically function like a taxi if there were no taxis and in the townships so you're in a
00:14:36minibus and the driver realizing that you are your mother's son you know figures out that she must have had relations with a white man and he starts calling her of war yeah and she tells you when the minibus slows down you got to jump and she like throws
00:14:53you out of the van you had an infant brother at the time so she jumps out holding him in such a way to protect him when she jumps out and then you had to hit the ground and run but anyways so it must have been totally bizarre to
00:15:06get that kind of hatred from black people too but that's the sadness and the u s that is the strange part of the human brain that you know people have studied for eons is is hatred and self hatred you know people going how can you hate somebody that
00:15:30is all of you but that's that's what people do successfully in any regime that is governed by hate you can convince people that the problem is not coming from the top but is rather being created by the people who are being oppressed and so what the apartheid system
00:15:49was really good at doing was convincing groups to hate one another and so what you do is you convince black people that the reason they are being oppressed is because there are some within their community who just can't behave and if only they could behave than everyone else
00:16:04i would have more freedoms and liberties which of course is not true but if you conclude if you can convince people of that then you can get them to focus their hatred on their fellow man who is trying to achieve freedom as opposed to focusing on the oppressive
00:16:19government and we see that happen all over the world regardless of race it's a tactic that is used over and over successfully if you're just joining us my guest is trevor noah the host of the daily show he has a new memoir called born a crime we're going
00:16:32to take a short break here and then we'll be right back this is fresh air if you're shopping for holiday gifts for public radio fans check out the npr shop it has gifts like t shirts tote bags hats mugs and more that's that shop dot npr dot org
00:16:52there are articles that mention and i don't think you mentioned this in your book that your mother was half jewish is that right My mother converted so when people when people say that my mom converted to judaism eso she didn't have a jewish no no no no no
00:17:08no you should convert to judaism when i was ten or eleven years old she's so christian in the book yeah and then i think when you look at religion you look at where christianity came from you know my mom delved deeper into that's and she felt a deep
00:17:24connection and she wanted to go as deep as possible into into the into the world of religion and that took her into judaism yeah and so then i lived my life as a as a part white part black but then sometimes jewish kid and i didn't understand why
00:17:43she didn't make me convert so you know i just had weird instances like for instance when i turned thirteen she threw me a bomb it's for but nobody came about yeah but nobody came because nobody knew what the hell that was only have black friends no one knows
00:17:55what the hell you doing so it's just me and my mom and she's celebrating and she's reading things to me in hebrew i don't know what's going on and she's telling me that now i'm a man and i'm it doesn't mean i have no choice and she's like
00:18:07no you still have chose but you're a man i didn't understand most most of it i mean i still i still live today with my mom standing me you know hebrew scriptures or you know phrases are celebrating you know she'll write me an email on billy shanah tova
00:18:21and the next day it was something else borrow hashem adonai and i i'm lost half of the time but that was the world that i grew up in You must have been so confused i really wass i really was and i think that was the gift my mother
00:18:33gave me I think that was part of her religious pursuit my mother's always looking for answers she's always searching for new information i think she has ah thirst for hunger that very few possess innate lee and so my mother never never stagnated in a place where she said
00:18:51i have it all she went ok i've read the bible brett the bible get and read the bible again okay let me where does this bible comfort What is this old testament speak Who are the israel ites who what is judaism And then she went and i'm going
00:19:04to study that and you know she wanted to almost get to the core You know how they say that the book has been translated And so my mother said well then i want to read the untranslated version i want to read it the way it was written but
00:19:16this she applied this to everything in our lives and that was not staying in the space that you are super post to be in whether it be racially whether it be in a community where they be gender norms whatever it wass my mom said i'm going to seek
00:19:31out more and so i was constantly confused which is sometimes a little bit you know disorienting but i feel like it leads to a more colorful life your mother sounds incredibly brave because she was always kind of flaunting the law when she married your stepfather who's they're separated
00:19:52now he wanted her to be like the traditional wife and she refused teo be that she like you said she just defied all conventions when she wanted to and she talked back to people i mean it's funny you say that because i when i wrote the book i
00:20:12thought that i was the hero of my story and in writing it i came to realize over time that my mom was the hero and i was you know it was just a punk ass sidekick i would like you to come along for the ride on dh she
00:20:28really is an amazing woman and the world we lived in south africa at the time was it was a very matriarchal society because so many black men had been removed from the home either in prison or an exit prison on exile or even sent off to work in
00:20:42the mines and you know and so families were living separately from the fathers and so although according to african culture men with head of the household the truth is women with ones who were raising everybody including men and growing up with my mother That was something i really
00:21:01learned to appreciate My guest is trevor noah the host of the daily show and the author of the new memoir born a crime coming up we'll talk more about his experiences growing up as a by racial child under apartheid and how speaking six different languages helped him navigate
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00:21:55on amazon prime video Because your mother is black and your father was white and you you were officially designated is colored in south africa wherever you were you were the anomaly i want yeah s o it was always hard for you to figure out like where do you
00:22:15fit and you seem to have learned so many ways of dealing with that including learning different languages in different dialects so how many languages do you speak speak six currently name love s o i speak english obviously afrikaans which is during during derivative of dutch that we have
00:22:34in south africa and then i speak african languages so i speak zulu i speak casa i speak wanna on dh i speak longer and so those are my language the core and then i don't claim german but i can have a conversation in it s i'm trying to
00:22:50make that officially my seventh language is and then hopefully i can learn spanish and it sounds like this is something you picked up from your mother who also spoke several languages and used them in a very kind of you cunning way when she needed to to make sure
00:23:04that she wasn't you know imprisoned or although she wasn't pretty she she shot out of many situations yeah yeah and so there's a passage from your book that i'd like you to read that's about how your mother used language and how you use language to help navigate difficult
00:23:21situations living with my mom i saw how she used language to cross boundaries handle situations navigate the world we were in a shop once and the shopkeeper right in front of us turned to security guard and he said in afrikaans four ice waters no steel it's follow those
00:23:42blacks in case they steal something My mother turned around and said in beautiful fluent afrikaans who come for he need ice water so that yella can help grave are nalla shook me why don't you follow these blacks so you can help them find what they're looking for oyama
00:24:04the man said apologizing in afrikaans then and this was the funny thing he didn't apologize for being racist he merely apologized for aiming his racism at us oh i'm so sorry he said i thought you were like the other blacks you know how they love to steal i
00:24:23learned to use language like my mother did i would symbol cost give you the program in your own tongue i'd get suspicious looks from people just walking down the street where you from that ask are replying whatever language they addressed me in using the same accent that they
00:24:37used they would be a brief moment of confusion and then the suspicious look would disappear oh okay i thought you were a stranger We're good Then it became a tool that served me my whole life One day as a young man i was walking down the street and
00:24:53a group of zulu guys was walking behind me closing in on me and i could hear them talking to one another about how they were going to mug me monday sam chaturvedi sam todd let's get this white guy you go to his left and i'll come up behind
00:25:10him i didn't know what to do i couldn't run so i just spun around real quick and said god well affair to ah you know anything of illicit bambi wanting kun's imagines sama song your guys why don't we just mug someone together I'm ready let's do it they
00:25:32looked shocked for a moment and then they started laughing oh sorry dude we thought you were something else We weren't trying to take anything from you we were trying to steal from white people have a good day man they were ready to do to me violent harm until
00:25:49they felt that we were part of the same tribe and then we were cool that and so many other smaller incidents in my life made me realize that language even more than color defines who you are to people i became a comedian my color didn't change but i
00:26:05could change your perception off my car if you spoke to me in zulu i replied to you in judo if you spoke to me in swan i replied to you in tirana maybe i didn't look like you but if i spoke like you i was you that's trevor
00:26:18noah reading from his new memoir born a crime like that passage so much in part because when i hear you on the daily show and some of your standup comedy that i've heard on recording you do accents and voices so well like you can mimic other people really
00:26:36well it seems like that's something you learn to do due out of self preservation when you were young yeah definitely i think it was something i inherited from my mother who learned to do it you know i like a baby duckling was merely mimicking the survival traits that
00:26:52my mother possessed and i came to learn very quickly that language was a powerful powerful tool language and accents govern so much off how people think about other people you know and it's it's been happening since the beginning of time i mean even now in america you know
00:27:10when people say they hate immigrants they're not referring to a canadian immigrants you know they're not referring to somebody who has an accent who slightly different to theirs it's often that voice that throws you off because i sometimes think it's the you know what it is it's when
00:27:28you hear somebody speaking in an accent it's almost like they're invading your language while they're speaking to you because if you hear someone speak another language you almost don't care but when they speak your language with an accent it feels like an invasion off something that belongs to
00:27:44you and weight change yeah i think people think of people with accents are a little hard to understand must be stupid because you don't understand what they're saying yes and therefore they're not smart yeah that's that's i've seen that everywhere i've seen that everywhere people you know people
00:28:01make jokes about that and that was funny when i first came to the u s because i do accents and i've traveled the world and i our friends off almost every single ethnicity and i would mimic them And when i came to the u s i remember one
00:28:13day we were at the daily show and i mimicked my chinese friend and the guys at the shore like oh hey don't ever do that again and that's that's really racist You shouldn't do that i see what you mean it's racist i said are you can't do a
00:28:27chinese accent that i said i'm not doing a chinese accent i'm doing my friends accent and they said yeah you can't you can't do that and i said okay what can i do a russian accent Yeah of course you can do that I said in a british accent
00:28:39this idiot go go ahead i couldn't understand it and then i came to realize obviously because of the historical you know significance off that accent and how you know people who had chinese accent will continue to have chinese accents in america are treated as being stupid or not
00:28:58as intelligent as an english speaker who's fluent with an american accent i came to realise why but it's it's always fascinated me how how quickly you can change where you stand with another human being just based on how you speak one other thing about language i found this
00:29:12amazing in your book that you watched american tv shows but they were broadcast in different languages but if you wanted to hear it in the original american english you could simulcast it on the radio so you sometimes did that But what was your reaction when you heard the
00:29:30programs in their actual original voices Oh they sometimes it was it was mind blowing There are some characters that i knew off like i remember for most of my life i grew up and knight rider was you know david hasselhoff was a dutch character in my world i
00:29:47guess in some ways he still is today but but yeah it was weird for because there were certain characters who who i had ideas off again i came to realize the power in the importance of language and it's it's it's more than just language in the way we
00:30:02perceive it if you look at this election i feel like donald trump was speaking a different language hillary clinton you know it's not dissimilar to what we saw in south africa with our president jacob zuma i remember i remember sitting with people laughing when they would watch the
00:30:17debates and they'd go this guy's a buffoon oh man here's a such a no word count has got the gram o of a five year old is the you know the vocabulary of ah toddler and i said yeah but you know many people find that appealing right now
00:30:33he's up there and everybody understands what he's saying and they're like are can you imagine this guy the president And i said yeah but think of how many people who for the first time are listening to a presidential candidates understanding every single quote unquote policy that he puts
00:30:51forward and sometimes that's a thing that i will call them you know like elites not even liberal at least just people who are educated they forget sometimes that communication is more important than your grasp of language you know can you communicate effectively with the person that's what i
00:31:09learned as a comedian i remember one time i went on a little bend away i tried to learn as many words as i could from the dictionary and i thought i'm going to going to increase my vocabulary on stage i'm going to expand my word count my word
00:31:23cloud will be immense and i got on stage and i lost half of the audience because half of the people in the audience we're going we don't know what perambulations means Why do we have to think about this And i realized you've got to be careful in deciding
00:31:35what your intention is Are you using language you know as a flourish or you trying to communicate as effectively as possible with another human being and that's what donald trump in my opinion did very very well if you're just joining us my guest is trevor noah the host
00:31:51of the daily show we're going to take a short break and then we'll be right back He has a new memoir that's called born a crime This is fresh air If you've been enjoying our podcast and want to keep it going the best way to do that is
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00:32:21everyone who has already donated to your station again npr dot org's slash stations We talked about this a little bit the last time you were on the show your mother married the man who became your step father he was an alcoholic he was abuse abusive he beat her
00:32:37several times and then when you were a teenager he shot her when i know i was in my early twenties when you're twenty okay and you shot her twice shot twice once in the head once in the lower torso on dh she she could have died but it
00:32:54was almost literally a miracle that she survived because what tells the tradition trajectory of the bullet yeah i mean till this day it's you know it's something we no one understands it's it's the doctor used the term miracle and he said i hate using this term yeah i
00:33:10said i'm a man of science i'm a doctor i don't use this word but he said it's a miracle you're mom's alive she got shot in the back of the head the bullet went in through where the spine basically connects to the brain but it didn't hit the
00:33:23spine missed all of the nerves and the veins on dh went in the back of her head past just below the brain and then on the exit was aiming for the eye socket but it was going come out of the eye but it hit the lower part of
00:33:40her eye sockets and the impact deflected the bullet and so it came out of her nose and so it ripped off one of her nostrils But relatively speaking the damage was was really little for a bullet being shot into your head She was home in four days back
00:33:57at work in seventeen physician was just kind of remarkable but when you were a kid and your mother married this man who later shot her judging from your memoir you knew that there was something sinister and dangerous about him and you worried about them getting married who didn't
00:34:13want him around And so so i'm wondering like your mother just seems so smart about so many things did you lose So much has been said about abusive relationships and how it's hard to get out of them and everything but what was it like for you as a
00:34:31child to see your mother making what you believed in what you turned out to be right was a terrible judgment call I mean i learned and i've come to learn is an adult that love is a hell of a drug it's one of the most dangerous things that
00:34:48human beings can have it's also one of the most beautiful things that human beings can possess because love on one hand gives you the ability two care for a human being sometimes more than you would care for yourself love unfortunately sometimes gives you the ability to forgive somebody
00:35:05and blind yourself to the truth and you know i lived in a world where i didn't share the love for my step father that my mother shared for him she married him you know and i loved my mom um but i lived in this space where i was
00:35:22constantly afraid off the threat and i don't think i can ever judge any person for being of involved in an abusive relationship especially because of the amount of surprise that it comes with you know anyone who's in that situation to go from a place where everything is going
00:35:42well i will never forget the first time my mother was hit it comes out of nowhere you don't know what it is because it's never happened to you your mother for the most part was an incredibly brave woman willing to defy convention stand up to people go her
00:36:01own way pay the consequences which sounds like really unflinching and um in the job you have no you have to be that way to you have to stand up for things and not be afraid of criticism not be afraid of offending people when you think the comedy is
00:36:22correctly hitting a satirical target you feel like you inherited some of your mother's bravery or that you learned how to be brave from her and if so like what are the things now that you feel like you have to be brave about I think i i was lucky
00:36:37enough to be in the in the shadow of a giants you know my mom's magic dust sprinkled on me and i hope i have enough of it to be as brave as as she was and continues to be um doing what i do now have come to realize
00:36:55now more so than ever that i have to approach what i what i do every day on the daily show with complete honesty um you know funny enough One of the biggest moments of realization was when donald trump won the election because when i came into the show
00:37:17i said i think this guy can win This was when he first came down that escalator he gave his first speech and then i was like wow this guy's going to do well and i remember man people love to be people were like oh you you silly ignorant
00:37:31person who's just come to this world You clearly shouldn't be at the daily show because you don't know what you're talking about i was like what I don't know He seems like he connects with people I can really relate to him as a performer i can see what
00:37:43tools he's using his good at riffing he's got taking the crowd on the journey I can see what he's doing and people would say all throughout the race and there were times when on the show i would mention it you know I mean that's Why i said trump
00:37:55is reminds me of an african dictator that's where that came from because everyone said to me this guy is he's just a fool he's just he's a buffoon is i said you know you can say that but i've seen this before I have seen this before i've seen
00:38:07clowns that go on to take over there countries i've seen before ones who end up ruling their worlds and it came to pass and i've just come to realize i'm going to share my point of view Some people won't like me for it Some people will I will
00:38:22work every day to be as honest as i can because i i do believe that we are all trying to get to the same place but various people have tricked us into believing that we're not and i see america going into that space And i know that in
00:38:38south africa we were in that space and we're still suffering from that space and that was where a government very successfully convinced the majority of the population that every single person there was blocking the other people from achieving greatness in the country only to realize that we were
00:38:57all being oppressed of the same time So one more thing i'm thinking like when you took over the daily show after jon stewart left there was a sense of okay we have a bi racial president know we have a bye racial hosting the daily show you know like
00:39:12you know so like there's this half african half again exactly So this is some kind of like he's not american but there's this simpatico you know with like the moment that we're living in politically and now like things were really shifting politically and i still think there's this
00:39:31sense of like you have this sense of the times but it's coming from a different part of you than you know would you talk to that it's interesting twenty years that you just mentioned that i've never thought of it like that before that simpatico i feel like it's
00:39:44almost fitting isn't it That when there was a half black half white half african man he was in the white house He was being marked by donald trump I think it's only fitting that now donald trump gets marked by a half black half white african man when he's
00:40:00in the white house So i feel like that actually worked out I never thought of that Trevor noah thank you so much Thank you for having me Thank you I'm a huge fan So thank you for this is great that we get to be in the same studio
00:40:11for a change Trevor noah is the host of the daily show and author of the new memoir born a crime This is fresh air support for this podcast and the following message come from our sponsor history vault The perfect gift for history buffs this holiday season If you
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00:41:07star wars story this one stars felicity jones as a rebel fighter and features diego luna ben mendelssohn and riz ahmed This review of rogue one a star wars story is going to be the most cautious i ever deliver I still have flashbacks of vicious emails i got for
00:41:27what i thought was a very discreet piece on last year's star wars episode seven the force awakens there will be no spoilers unless you consider talking about the movies premise a spoiler we clear rogue one is a stand alone movie it's set between george lucas is star wars
00:41:46episode three revenge of the scif and star wars episode for a new hope which was actually the first star wars movie from nineteen seventy seven in this one the nefarious empire is building the death star ineffective weapon for wiping out secret rebel base is in so far as
00:42:05you could just blow up a whole planet But the weapons designer galen erso played by mads mikkelson might have qualms and contacts rebel leaders those leaders in turn a cost the inventors estranged daughter jin played by felicity jones what they plan to do i can't tell you and
00:42:24what happens then i can't tell you either i can tell you that stuff blows up big stuff and a lot of it i can also say this there are many vexing questions in pop culture why for example was there a handy pail of water for dorothy to throw
00:42:40at the wicked witch of the west another is why the all powerful death star had a nook where luke skywalker's well placed bomb could make the whole thing go boom rogue one answers that question definitively the good thing is that unlike the force awakens rogue one isn't a
00:42:58beat by beat rehash of another of lucas is plots instead it rehashes the plots of a thousand world war two and or western films in which a brave squadron a magnificent seven a dirty dozen ah force five prepares to sacrifice itself in the name of a greater cause
00:43:18the rebels air of various sexes races and species there's even a blind samurai the director gareth edwards does his best to keep the story on track and he aimed for more realism more grit than we're used to in the siri's but the first half skips all over the
00:43:36place and isn't very involving finally the rebels transport jin who's not quite their prisoner but has a minder named cassie and and or played by diego luna toe a warzone their ship's pilot is a reprogrammed and extremely supercilious imperial droid called que tu es o voiced by alan
00:43:57tudyk why does she get a blaster and i don't what i know how to use it that's what i'm afraid of ghetto going jetta that's a war zone that's not the point would you get it I found it i find that answer vague and unconvincing trust goes both
00:44:23ways way you're letting her keep it would you like to know the probability of her using it against you it's high let's get quiet it's very high that dialogue is funnier when you see it coming from a droid he really is a pill this is easily the hippest
00:44:53multinational cast of any star wars picture res ahmed of the night of place an awol empire pilot and ben mendelson is an empire batty forest whitaker is a rebel leader who's gone off the reservation and hammer films legend peter cushing is back as thieve a ll grandma off
00:45:14tarkin which is weird since cushing has been dead for decades his head is computer generated which i found upsetting even cushing's best known character baron frankenstein would blanch at this kind of grave robbing the action scenes in rogue one are pretty much just noise with storm troopers as
00:45:34casually mowed down as in any video game but some of the special effects feel fresh the actors are likeable and the scale of the movie is a wow the last part caught me up every character gets his or her big moment and left the preview audience jazz the
00:45:51problem was so called franchise films is that because of future installments nothing has ever wrapped up but rogue one has a real ending I hope you don't think of that as a spoiler more like an incentive David edelstein is film critic for new york magazine Monday on fresh
00:46:09air my son was born in nineteen sixty four My guest will be mike mills the writer and director of the new film twentieth century women It stars annette benning as a fifty five year old single mother of a fourteen year old son who's into skateboarding and punk rock
00:46:26and is drifting away from her The film is inspired by mills relationship with his mother The movie is nominated for a golden globe for best motion picture musical or comedy I hope you'll join us fresh air's executive producer is danny miller our technical director and engineer as audrey
00:46:52bentham with additional engineering support from joyce lieberman and julian hurts Our associate producer for online media is molly stephen esper Roberta shura directs the show I'm terry gross wait

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