Full Transcript for VisionQuest, Part 1 (Episodes 1 - 4)

superhero shit. 00:05:39 Speaker 1: Which I expect. It totally makes sense. He don't care about Doomsday. Now he lying. Now he lying for no reason. 00:05:48 Speaker 8: But nah, I was really interested. Once the story started to unfold a little bit more, I was definitely interested. 00:05:56 Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, who the fuck is the boy? What's going on? So yeah, they got me. 00:06:02 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm locked in. 00:06:04 Speaker 2: Yeah, I fuck with this. Especially me locked in. I always wanted to make sure Ultron came back. Now, is this the way I wanted Ultron to come back? 00:06:14 Speaker 1: Not really. 00:06:14 Speaker 2: But we're building steps, so I want to see what happens. But I'm a fan of Ultron, especially... I just think they didn't do Ultron justice in Avengers. 00:06:23 Speaker 1: They didn't do him justice. I like him in Avengers. It was cool, but it should have been more, bro. It felt rushed a little bit. 00:06:32 Speaker 4: So but I'm I'm fucking with this I like kind of like. 00:06:39 Speaker 2: The intrigue of like I thought maybe a couple of points were going to last longer they were going to like hold them out as far as like the memories and stuff and all that I thought that was going to take longer to get to and all that but since they're past that it's like alright now I want to see how far are y'all going to go like what conversations are y'all going to try to have so I think that's my intrigue level to who is the real big bad I'm with y'all on Assassin that shit was trash So, yeah, let's get right into it. Episode one basically starts out with us with Vision living in Edinburgh, trying to understand humanity while living with the memories of his former self. 00:07:15 Speaker 4: And in his mind, he has these other three AIs, which we know three of them. 00:07:20 Speaker 2: We know all of them because Tony Stark created them in other films, Jarvis, Friday and Edith. And they're trying to help him basically manage his identity and try to figure out what that is. 00:07:28 Speaker 1: But. 00:07:29 Speaker 2: We found out that basically, this nigga got Ultron living in him. Y'all watched it, so y'all know Ultron was going to be there because we watched the trailer. 00:07:37 Speaker 1: Did y'all forget? I forgot. 00:07:39 Speaker 2: Since y'all forgot, how did y'all feel about seeing Ultron actually showing up? 00:07:45 Speaker 3: Didn't care. 00:07:46 Speaker 1: Really? Nah, he's some old fucking white dude with a beard. Oh, James Spader. That's red from the blacklist. I didn't realize that was James Spader. But I still don't care. I do care. Because like I said, I always liked Ultron. 00:08:04 Speaker 5: And just like they did Vision, to see the actual actor playing him or whatever was really cool. Because I like his snarky talk. I love that about Ultron. 00:08:17 Speaker 1: So yeah, I really like that. 00:08:21 Speaker 5: And I like the bickering between the two of Vision and Ultron. 00:08:27 Speaker 8: I think it provides a good balance. Yeah, when I saw it, I was like, oh, this ain't going to work out. You know, you see Ultron, and you already know where it's going to go. So, no, this is actually bad news. I don't know why he's doing this. But I did like it. Vision having Ultron in there, bro? 00:08:42 Speaker 1: Well, he was saying that he's not Vision. He keeps saying, I'm not Vision. Yeah, he's Vision. But I get it. 00:08:47 Speaker 8: The identity crisis, the whole thing of the Thesis ship or whatever they eventually got to. But, no, we knew what was going to happen. At some point, he's going to get out of there. This is the way to get him out of there and bring Ultron back. 00:09:01 Speaker 1: But, yeah. I messed with him. 00:09:03 Speaker 8: Once I was James Spader, I was like, okay, I like him. And I think he's– it doesn't feel like Ultron. It feels more like Red from the Blacklist. But I do like the dialogue that they have. 00:09:16 Speaker 1: Oh, it feels like Ultron to me. Really? Just without the extra effect on his voice. Because that was Ultron. I mean, he played him. Okay. Yeah, yeah. So that's what I'm saying. 00:09:24 Speaker 5: The same– after they played Vision, they just had him– just in real life playing Ultron okay yeah yeah yeah. 00:09:30 Speaker 1: So they just okay I got you it was always his voice it was always him. 00:09:33 Speaker 5: Yeah you know what bro I don't know if I ever knew that oh okay yeah yeah it was always him and I damn okay yeah that's what makes it cool I had no wow I think they did that correct me if I'm wrong I think they did that with all of them like Edith and Friday I think those are the actual actors of the voices of those might. 00:09:52 Speaker 8: Be right that just added that just added added a little extra too okay cool I think those are the actual actors of the AI. 00:09:59 Speaker 9: AI. 00:10:00 Speaker 1: That Stark and them created. 00:10:01 Speaker 3: Um. 00:10:04 Speaker 1: Sorry. My slow moment. No, no, no. My look is more so... I got a lot of nose hairs. 00:10:12 Speaker 3: He's trying to get through it. 00:10:13 Speaker 1: Alright. Well, uh. 00:10:18 Speaker 2: We also see somewhere else that Thomas Shepard is somebody out there. And he's having these experiences and memories of Wanda and Vision and basically what happened in WandaVision. 00:10:30 Speaker 1: And he's eventually captured by Paliton. 00:10:35 Speaker 2: And this episode continues to have that going on. Did that intrigue y'all at all? Just like this boy is having this somewhere... No, you didn't. Because y'all probably didn't. 00:10:46 Speaker 4: Even remember Agatha and the revelation of that. 00:10:48 Speaker 1: But you just didn't give a fuck, Mike. 00:10:49 Speaker 8: No, no. 00:10:49 Speaker 2: Okay. 00:10:51 Speaker 1: No, no. Spike? No. No fucks. What was the revelation of Agatha? 00:10:56 Speaker 9: That they were killing people in order to put the soul of the little witch boys in them. 00:11:02 Speaker 1: Oh, I do not

remember that. Yeah, that was like the last episode. Last episode. You realize that. 00:11:07 Speaker 2: The boy and the witch, you realize it's Wanda's son. 00:11:12 Speaker 1: And the reason. 00:11:13 Speaker 3: She was trying to hide him or something, right? 00:11:15 Speaker 9: Yeah. 00:11:15 Speaker 4: She basically wanted their soul to exist after she got rid of Westview. 00:11:17 Speaker 1: And so she threw it. Yeah. 00:11:18 Speaker 9: And then I think at the end, he says something like, wait a minute. 00:11:21 Speaker 1: Wait, am I making that up? I thought he said something like. He had a brother. Yeah. 00:11:24 Speaker 9: And he was like, am I killing this person so my brother can live? Yeah. 00:11:28 Speaker 1: Because the kid was drowning. 00:11:30 Speaker 8: Yeah. 00:11:31 Speaker 1: That happened in Agatha? I'm pretty sure that was in Agatha. For me, I didn't like Agatha. That's the only thing that made it salvageable to me. I didn't really like it. That show was awesome. Okay. 00:11:41 Speaker 2: Well, Vision also discovers that Ultron has basically been responsible for exposing his location because, you know, he's in hiding. 00:11:47 Speaker 4: And is raising questions about whether Ultron was going to genuinely be good. And obviously he can't. You know, that's not the case. 00:11:56 Speaker 2: And Vision is forced to confront the fact that despite having the memories of his former self, he is struggling to understand who he is. 00:12:03 Speaker 1: Did y'all really fuck with this? 00:12:04 Speaker 2: I think this was cool because he does have all the memories, all the things of Vision. 00:12:12 Speaker 4: But he's not vision. He's trying to connect to it, but he can't. Did that fuck with. 00:12:16 Speaker 1: Y'all at all? 00:12:16 Speaker 5: I get what he's saying. It's just, it is a lot to try to process. 00:12:22 Speaker 1: It is not. It is a lot to try. 00:12:25 Speaker 4: That was a slow moment. 00:12:28 Speaker 1: God damn. It is like, and I'm not doing it on purpose. 00:12:37 Speaker 5: I just, I don't know what other word to use, but it is a lot because it's. 00:12:41 Speaker 1: It's just so much. It's like, damn. 00:12:43 Speaker 5: I mean, you'll eventually catch up, but it is a lot. It is a lot to be desired. That's why I'm saying if anybody don't have any type of history with these characters or AIs that's been in the Marvel Universe, it's going to be like, what the hell is going on? 00:13:00 Speaker 3: That's how I was watching it. 00:13:02 Speaker 8: I do have the context, but I'm still in trouble. like, connecting to this part of the story. Like, oh, man, I'm Vision, but no, I'm not. And I don't know. It's just like, all right, cool. You want to create some trauma or, you know, some, you know, situation, some sort of conflict with the character. But this part of the story doesn't really work for me. It's like you whining all the fucking time. 00:13:26 Speaker 1: I fuck with it. Honestly, I fuck with it. 00:13:29 Speaker 4: I like this concept of, like, I'm in this person's body. 00:13:31 Speaker 1: I have all these memories. 00:13:32 Speaker 4: And even being, like, a synth, like, I can't say it. 00:13:35 Speaker 1: Synthozoic. Synthozoic. 00:13:38 Speaker 2: Basically, you can have all these things and you can process it on this logical level, but I'm not. 00:13:44 Speaker 4: Truly connected to it. 00:13:46 Speaker 2: To me, it's an interesting dynamic because it's a whole bunch of things happening at one time for me. 00:13:51 Speaker 5: I think the thing that confused me was like, so is all of this stuff happening simultaneously. 00:13:58 Speaker 1: While he's just going about life? You know what I'm saying? 00:14:00 Speaker 5: Because I remember on the first, maybe second episode, too, We saw all this happening while he was. 00:14:07 Speaker 1: Sitting in an abandoned room or something. 00:14:10 Speaker 5: And it's just like, okay, now that he's pretty much shut, powered down, not moving around, all of this stuff is happening in his mind. But now we're seeing him walk around, travel with his son, and all of this stuff is still going on in his mind. 00:14:22 Speaker 1: I mean, don't you do it every day? I'm not saying that I don't. But yeah, I'm saying that. But... But it's just like, why show it this way and then show it the other way? 00:14:32 Speaker 5: Are you saying one he's dreaming and one he's not? 00:14:34 Speaker 4: Is that what you're saying? No, it's not about dreaming. 00:14:38 Speaker 2: It's just the processes that is happening in his head while things are happening at the same time. 00:14:44 Speaker 1: But you're thinking that we should only be seeing it when he's dreaming? I'm not saying that we should. I'm just saying, I'm trying to understand why did they do it that way? 00:14:51 Speaker 5: Why did they make it seem like when he's just chilling or whatever, all this stuff is happening, but now we're seeing him as he's moving around that it's still happening. 00:14:58 Speaker 9: I think it happens, but if you see him interacting, then that means he's. 00:15:03 Speaker 1: Stopped, right? What do you mean? 00:15:05 Speaker 9: So like, okay, so when they're showing him actively doing stuff, in his brain, we're seeing everyone but him. The only time we're seeing him in his brain is when he's stopped and he's, like, in the freezer or whatever or he's not doing anything. 00:15:24 Speaker 4: Or when Tommy calls him out, like, where are you going? Like, why did you just stop? Right. That's when he's going into his brain. And he's talking, like, to the other AIs. 00:15:32 Speaker 1: And now they're coming to him. Right. 00:15:34 Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's just him interacting with him, yeah. 00:15:38 Speaker 5: Yeah, that part's a little confusing to me. That part's a little hard to keep up with. My brain doesn't want to process it that way. 00:15:47 Speaker 1: Gotcha. Like, you know, it's like, okay, when is it happening? Kind of like Inside

Out, right? Yeah. Yeah. 00:15:55 Speaker 8: You haven't seen it, but yeah, it's Inside Out where it's kind of emotions. They are kind of the emotions of, you know. 00:16:02 Speaker 1: Yo, you've seen it. Yeah, they definitely pulled that from that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's just with people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a good reference, actually. That's a really good reference, actually. But she's never in there, though. No. See what I'm saying? Yeah. 00:16:16 Speaker 2: I mean, that's because she's a child, so she's not actually, she doesn't know that she needs to be processed. 00:16:22 Speaker 1: Well, never mind. Yeah, no, she doesn't go in there at all. 00:16:25 Speaker 2: A child wouldn't be able, that doesn't have the cognitive piece experience to actually be going back in their brain, like, well, why did I do this? 00:16:32 Speaker 4: Why did I feel this way? 00:16:33 Speaker 1: But, yeah. 00:16:34 Speaker 8: Yeah. 00:16:34 Speaker 4: All right, well, we'll move on to episode two. 00:16:41 Speaker 1: It picks up from here, Mike. Does it? Yeah. I must have missed those episodes. 00:16:45 Speaker 2: In this episode, we explore a little bit more of Thomas' past through a flashback to when he was in prison, where he meets Lisa and discovers that she has and that he has unusual powers. So in present, Paliton holds Thomas at St. Mabin's, and it's a psychiatric facility to lure Vision into a trap. Vision really doesn't want to do it, but then Ultron invokes the ship Theseus. 00:17:13 Speaker 1: Yeah. The Paradox. And challenges him on it. Be the goddamn king. 00:17:19 Speaker 2: Did y'all fuck with this conversation? Have y'all been fucking with... Did y'all get anything from their dynamic? 00:17:25 Speaker 1: Was this interesting at all? 00:17:26 Speaker 2: Their relationship between Vision and Ultron? The way Ultron kind of pushes back on the way Vision is trying to think about things? 00:17:35 Speaker 1: Ultron is. 00:17:37 Speaker 1: Based on what y'all saying, he's fooling me. 00:17:39 Speaker 5: I thought that he was trying to turn a new leaf and just try to think about things. 00:17:45 Speaker 1: In a different way. Because, I mean, it's not like he doesn't admit that, like, yeah, I will kill them all. He said he was on bullshit. 00:17:56 Speaker 5: He said it, but even when he had the little pigeon, the courier pigeon, go out or whatever, he came back and said, yeah, I did it. 00:18:01 Speaker 1: Like, that was on purpose. After they kind of put two and two together. 00:18:05 Speaker 5: Yeah, but he was just like, no, I'm trying to speed along the process of the inevitable or whatever. 00:18:10 Speaker 1: So, he's fooling me. 00:18:13 Speaker 5: It seemed like, and then the way he was talking to Edith in the episode, I don't know if we got there yet, but. 00:18:17 Speaker 1: It seemed like he was trying to be nice to her, like, I don't know. 00:18:21 Speaker 5: They're trying to bring some sort of humanity into Ultron. 00:18:26 Speaker 8: They were, but it's still Ultron. And that's how I've always looked at it. Maybe I don't know enough about Ultron. I just like the character. I don't know the history of him. But, yeah, it just seems like they're trying to bring some sort of humanity into him. 00:18:42 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm telling you that again because I know the history of Ultron. I'm just like, this nigga's not good. 00:18:46 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm pretty sure it's not good. He's not doing anything good. 00:18:51 Speaker 2: But even outside of that, I think even the humanity piece, I saw it as just manipulation. He's sitting there all day. He's watching, like, how humans interact. He's understanding just humanity. Like, it's like, all right, yeah, he's going to use it, especially when vision has even less concept of humanity and attachment to it. 00:19:09 Speaker 4: It's like, I can use this as my way to eventually get out of here. 00:19:12 Speaker 8: Yeah, he's just running all these different simulations while he's up in that room, you know, Because he is a prisoner. Yeah, imprisoned from everybody else. So he's like the dark subconscious that's in people. And he's kind of representing that. And he's just kind of locked away from these dark impulses. But I did like it. I like the whole conversation about the ship thing. That is this age-old thought exercise that they go through. 00:19:37 Speaker 1: I like it. 00:19:38 Speaker 8: He was like, yeah, it's fucking bullshit because you forgot about this. So I like the conversation that they had and even how they– eventually brought that back later on. 00:19:46 Speaker 1: But it was like, yeah, when he was like, yeah, be the goddamn king. You know, so I did like that. I like how smart he is. 00:19:52 Speaker 5: Quick aside though, did you wear that shirt because they were watching San Francisco? 00:19:56 Speaker 1: It's just like coincidence. Coincidence? Wow. I didn't realize I was watching. Now it was on, damn. Yeah, it was on. 00:20:04 Speaker 5: And I figured that's why that AI was called Dummy and then you because he says you big dummy. 00:20:09 Speaker 1: You big dummy. So I was like, I was wondering if. Huh. 00:20:12 Speaker 9: I didn't say nothing. 00:20:14 Speaker 1: Oh, you look like. Is that why they call dummy and you? I doubt it. Is this a coincidence too? 00:20:20 Speaker 9: Yeah, because member Tony Stark named him that. 00:20:25 Speaker 1: But did he watch that? I don't remember him watching Sanford and Son. But I haven't watched those movies in a long time. Yeah, I haven't either. So if you actually came back and said, you know what? He was watching Sanford and Son. 00:20:33 Speaker 3: It was definitely planned on this. 00:20:35 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was planned on this. 00:20:36 Speaker 5: So I'm like, that's a rare, really weird coincidence that one is named you and one is named Dummy. 00:20:42 Speaker 1: So where's Big? Big Dummy. He is big. Who is Big? Compared to the other one, yeah. He is pretty

big. Yeah, he's bigger than him. That is true. Aha! 00:20:53 Speaker 9: Wait, who was watching San Francisco? Were the AIs watching or was. 00:20:56 Speaker 1: I think so. Ultron was. Ultron was watching it. Yeah, he was watching it. Yeah, he might be on to something. Yeah, I was wondering that. Because I didn't remember them naming him Ewan Dummy. 00:21:05 Speaker 9: Yeah, the little thing was... I think he called it Dummy when he was... Remember, I think Dummy was the thing that was smashing. 00:21:10 Speaker 1: Yeah, the swinging thing in the first one. Oh, he called him Dummy? Yeah. I think so. I don't remember you, though. Yeah, I don't remember you either. 00:21:17 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:21:18 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:21:19 Speaker 2: Similarly, I just haven't had time to dive back into the bag. Like, even my nerve bag is getting very low. All right, well, Vision, eventually he's going to go rescue Tommy. But it just goes bad because, you know, Palutena basically shoots this nigga and destabilizes him. 00:21:36 Speaker 4: And so, basically, Jarvis sacrifices himself. You know what I'm saying? 00:21:40 Speaker 1: Y'all didn't give a fuck. I can see it on your faces. No, it was cool. 00:21:43 Speaker 4: Well, I can see you on this side of the chair's faces. 00:21:46 Speaker 1: Right now, they really don't give a fuck. Yeah. Yeah. 00:21:50 Speaker 8: I really honestly didn't care about it either. I think sacrifices have to be made, and that was fine. I think they really kind of wanted us to connect to it and feel sad that Jarvis was leaving and all this other stuff. 00:22:02 Speaker 1: But I was just like, all right, they can bring him back. He's just fucking cold. Maybe not. 00:22:06 Speaker 8: But either way, it didn't work for me. That wasn't all that interesting. 00:22:10 Speaker 5: So y'all didn't like how, like, so do you think, Ultron manipulated that situation? 00:22:15 Speaker 1: I do. I do that, yeah. This would be a good time for somebody to... Because he didn't volunteer himself. 00:22:20 Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. 00:22:22 Speaker 1: Somebody got to step up. It ain't going to be me. It ain't going to be me. Yeah. And I thought that. 00:22:25 Speaker 3: But you know what I think you should do? 00:22:26 Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, exactly. 00:22:27 Speaker 8: And if all of them are gone, then who's left? He's just the only one left. So that's what I thought that was. 00:22:33 Speaker 1: It was. 00:22:34 Speaker 5: To me, it was a call... Like, I just saw it. It was a callback to Age of Ultron when. 00:22:42 Speaker 1: It wasn't... The AI was called Ultron too? That took over Jarvis? Y'all remember that in Age of Ultron? What was that called? 00:22:51 Speaker 5: The programming that took over Jarvis, like it basically destroyed Jarvis. 00:22:55 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was Ultron. Okay, yeah, yeah. 00:22:57 Speaker 5: So yeah, it took me back to, man, so yeah, to me, it's like that play all over again. 00:23:04 Speaker 1: Okay. You know what I'm saying? 00:23:05 Speaker 5: Because when he breaks up like this, that happened in Age of Ultron. And Ultron just told him to basically do it or whatever. So it's like a, a replay on that. 00:23:15 Speaker 9: Okay. 00:23:15 Speaker 1: All right. 00:23:16 Speaker 3: Got it. 00:23:18 Speaker 2: If you would love to have more content from frames per second, become a patron where you can contribute to what we review and discuss. Our Patreon gives the listeners the power to nominate and vote a monthly discussion and film review while also nominating and voting on weekly solo reviews from each cast member. You also get the opportunity to vote on the publicly released anniversary film, all exclusive to our Patreon. So become a patron at patreon.com frames per second, where there are two tiers you can choose from. That's patreon.com forward slash frames per second. 00:23:54 Speaker 1: I have a question. I'm going to try to help us out here a little bit. You're bored, right, Mike? Right now? Yeah, right now, too. A little bit. 00:24:06 Speaker 2: Is there anything in the show right now that is appealing or worth Hold it on to us. 00:24:13 Speaker 1: All of it is just completely boring. 00:24:14 Speaker 9: I mean, I got a little interested when the woman showed up, just because I don't know who the hell that is. 00:24:19 Speaker 1: Which one? The voice. The what? 00:24:22 Speaker 7: I only got interested. 00:24:28 Speaker 1: The woman. Oh, yeah. Sorry. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The woman. Yeah. 00:24:32 Speaker 7: When they killed, when whoever killed the bounty hunter dude and was like, we don't need you no more. 00:24:39 Speaker 1: He's not dead. 00:24:40 Speaker 7: Whatever she did. She said she didn't need him no more, whoever that was. That was the only interest in time. 00:24:46 Speaker 1: But that's the big bag. So that's not Butcher Bird. 00:24:50 Speaker 4: I don't believe it is because he already came across Butcher Bird. 00:24:53 Speaker 2: And that's why he was telling the person who hired him, he was like, you didn't tell me it was two synthosoids. 00:24:59 Speaker 1: And that's why he wanted to keep the contract. 00:25:00 Speaker 2: He was like, you gave me a contract for one, but now I'm dealing with two. 00:25:03 Speaker 1: He was terrible at his job either way. But, yeah. 00:25:08 Speaker 2: I'm with y'all as far as the assassin. That nigga, I could care less about what's going on with him. 00:25:15 Speaker 1: He put that suit on and it just was worse. It's like, what? You got the suit on. You're not supposed to be worse. The suit was corny. 00:25:22 Speaker 8: Yeah, so Paladin is like... All comic books have bad villains. Paladin is up there with a terrible villain for. 00:25:34 Speaker 8: But it works because he's grounded on the floor. He don't really do shit. So he don't have power. So it's easy to produce. But yeah, when I saw Paladin, I was like, y'all got this whack ass motherfucker? He fought Daredevil and all kinds of other people. I've

never liked Paladin. So he's clearly there just as a pawn because there's no way he can fucking compete with Vision. 00:25:55 Speaker 3: Who said Daredevil whooped his ass? 00:25:56 Speaker 1: Didn't he? Didn't he say that? Paladin said that? 00:25:59 Speaker 3: They was talking about him. He was like, he ran into other people. 00:26:02 Speaker 7: He said Daredevil whooped his ass and two more people whooped his ass. 00:26:05 Speaker 1: He's always getting his ass whooped. 00:26:07 Speaker 8: For them, the EMP thing was smart because they kind of weakened vision. But, bro, this motherfucker is made of vibranium or adamantium? 00:26:16 Speaker 2: He made of vibranium, but he used antimanium bullets to get the pen. 00:26:19 Speaker 8: Yeah, which was smart. So that made sense. But at the same time, it's still fucking vision. What I did like in the first episode. 00:26:26 Speaker 1: We had action. He's mad. I think it was a smart plan. He's actually hurt. 00:26:29 Speaker 2: He's been hurt for the last couple episodes because of that. 00:26:31 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, yeah. He just ran out of bullets. Yeah, he was like, oh, fuck. 00:26:35 Speaker 8: No, I, yeah, because first, in episode one, the action was cool there when he just wanted to test him out and see what he was dealing with when he killed that lady. And then episode two, was that the one where he walked into the trap? 00:26:53 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the trap. Yeah, that one was pretty cool too. 00:26:56 Speaker 8: But I'm looking at this, I'm like, how the fuck are you going to defeat this as Paladin? Like, bro, you're weak when you compare to this thing. But the bullets made sense. And it fucked him up. And by episode three, his ass was, you know, he was in serious trouble. 00:27:14 Speaker 1: So I have a question. 00:27:16 Speaker 2: So there's, I'm going to try to pivot, and we don't have to go beat by beat. There's a theme of like, not dealing with what grief is, I guess, a little bit. And Vision trying to deal with the piece of, like, that's my son, but it ain't my son. 00:27:37 Speaker 1: Like, does that shit. 00:27:40 Speaker 6: That ain't mine. I don't know who's kid that is. Show me the test. Wait, wait, what is it, Spike? The video? 00:27:51 Speaker 1: Send the video. Send the video. 00:27:54 Speaker 2: So, like, This relationship piece of him, like, trying to figure out what's going on with him and Thomas, like, that doesn't feel any, like, does that do anything for y'all at all? 00:28:08 Speaker 7: It's cheap because I don't know. I don't know the son. And he's going back and forth saying whether it's his or not. I thought it was an interesting conversation when he first, when dude first took him and they was in the bar. And he was like, I played this through my head however many times, and this ain't my son. I thought that was an interesting conversation of how he looked at it. But no, there's nothing there as far as me as a viewer. Like, oh, man, I hope he figures it out. 00:28:37 Speaker 1: You feel the same way, Mike? Yeah, 100%. 00:28:40 Speaker 9: I don't care. 00:28:41 Speaker 1: I don't care if that's his son. I don't care if it's not his son. I don't care if he knows this is. I don't care. Yeah, this show did a lot. 00:28:47 Speaker 7: You were saying earlier, for somebody to just check this show out and not really be into this, like, you're going to sit there like, bro, what in the fuck is happening? 00:28:58 Speaker 1: I agree. I do think that, I. 00:29:03 Speaker 8: Think Marvel, what works against Marvel is that everything is so connected. 00:29:07 Speaker 1: Connected. 00:29:08 Speaker 8: But for me, I just love that world, but it's not for casuals. Like, a show like this and some of the other stuff they're doing, they're just like, we got Disney, we got people paying us a month, we got to put stuff on here so we get a chance to live in this world. But I do think when I'm watching it, I do think about if somebody hasn't watched this, are you giving enough context for them to kind of at least catch on and. 00:29:32 Speaker 7: Follow us where we were? But are you stuck on the connectiveness of it? I'm just not sure why it matters. Like you said, since I'm not in the world and then I am in it enough to know that it does matter, the stuff that does matter, they don't point it out. It's just like you have to know it. You just got to be there watching it. So again, when I'm watching it, I like the actors and I like the people in it. It's done well, but it just don't hit. Cause I have no fucking idea what they like, why, why any of this matters. 00:30:05 Speaker 8: So it's, it's, it, yeah, it will because Tommy's good. Well, they're eventually going to phase all these other, other guys out. I think we're right. 00:30:14 Speaker 5: I always think that Disney's hope is that there will be intrigued, right? 00:30:19 Speaker 1: From the movies and things like that. 00:30:20 Speaker 5: And you feel like you need to go back and watch low key and all these other things. 00:30:23 Speaker 1: Oh man, I'm, I guess I got to go watch Loki. You know what I'm saying? 00:30:26 Speaker 5: Even if you don't watch it on the first go around, eventually you'll go back and watch it for context. 00:30:31 Speaker 1: This ain't doing it. Loki was way more. 00:30:35 Speaker 3: That's a good example. 00:30:36 Speaker 1: You're right. But they did a much better job with Loki for someone like me. Oh, okay. 00:30:40 Speaker 3: I understood and it was entertaining. 00:30:43 Speaker 1: Yeah. It feels weird, but I'm going to spike. Yeah. Watching Loki. 00:30:50 Speaker 9: I can see why that would make somebody want to go backwards and be like, okay, what is going on? 00:30:54 Speaker 1: The timeline. 00:30:55 Speaker 9: Yeah, what's the timeline? This is not giving me anything that makes me feel like, oh, shit, I need to go back and figure out what happened. Who is this little boy? And why does he know magic? And who's this girl that he has a

crush on? 00:31:08 Speaker 3: Who cares? 00:31:09 Speaker 1: Well, it's not magic. It's not magic? What is it? Shut up, Spike. What is it? Why? I want to know what it is. I think this is the quick, this is the fast one. This is Speedster. Oh, the other one had the magic. Gotcha. Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. Yeah, he got me. 00:31:31 Speaker 9: Hold on. 00:31:33 Speaker 1: Hold on. Hold on. I saw that thought in his head when you said that. That's why I laughed. He was taking it back. I was taking it back. I was like, wait a minute. It's not? 00:31:43 Speaker 2: Like, who this nigga talking to? 00:31:49 Speaker 1: Ken, I guess I can ask you. It's for the room, too. 00:31:52 Speaker 2: There's a piece of Ultron that we know is just, as we obviously find out, that he's just being deceptive and he's not really. 00:31:58 Speaker 1: But there are some questions that he's asking Vision that he's not really answering. 00:32:02 Speaker 2: It's like this piece of, and I guess this is why it's interesting to me. There's this piece of him telling him to deal with grief, but he's also emotionally like, he's a centaur. 00:32:11 Speaker 1: He's always just like, you know, really how to do it. 00:32:13 Speaker 4: So I think it's an interesting thing for me to see that. 00:32:16 Speaker 2: What do you think about the dynamic of Ultron being like the voice in his head to actually deal with some. 00:32:22 Speaker 1: Of the bullshit that he's kind of like suppressing? 00:32:25 Speaker 8: You know, it's difficult because I think he's just really, at the end of the day, trying to trick him and get him emotionally weak and unstable and to rely on him. And he's using grief as a vehicle to do that and trying to help him. I think he's giving them good advice, especially when it comes to being a father and kind of giving them some guidance on how to answer certain questions. I think the other AI, when they came in and you could see him say, okay, you got to sit down and put your arm around him or you got to ask this question. He's asking the questions. But everything with fucking Ultron for me, anytime he's trying to say something. 00:33:04 Speaker 1: It's a lie. 00:33:05 Speaker 8: So I don't believe he's sincere in any of the things that he's saying. If it was one of the other ones, like Jarvis or Friday or something like that, or the older one that used the typewriter, I can't think of her name. If they were having a conversation with him, who? 00:33:18 Speaker 1: That's Friday. 00:33:19 Speaker 4: Edith is the one. 00:33:20 Speaker 1: Edith, okay. 00:33:22 Speaker 8: If Friday was having this conversation, it would seem more genuine. 00:33:26 Speaker 1: But Ultron, Ultron on bullshit, bro. Yeah. So, y'all think he's just on straight bullshit? I don't. He said it. I don't. Really? 00:33:35 Speaker 2: I think he's on bullshit, but I think he's asking, like, real... Like, an evil person can... It's just manipulation. It's, like, it's something you should be considering, but he's using it for his own... He's not doing it because he cares about it. He's doing it because I can use it as an advantage over you. 00:33:50 Speaker 1: Yeah. I kind of see it like how I saw Thanos. Like, sure.... 00:33:59 Speaker 5: He's justifying certain things. So for Ultron, when he was the AI, he only saw it one way. He only said, nah, this is based on all of y'all are basically killing yourselves or whatever, so I might as well just fast forward to it and get it done for you because you're destroying yourself anyway. 00:34:17 Speaker 1: I feel like he's learning as well that there may be other ways around it or something. Because what's his end goal? 00:34:27 Speaker 2: Probably still tequila's all why same reason he had before. 00:34:33 Speaker 5: Yeah it's not like so y'all think he's changed at all why would he he's a processing system like he he develops over time that he's having he's noticing different experiences and he says it i love i love it you don't like his dialogue i'm really surprised you attacking me i'm because i thought you would appreciate like The dialogue I don't know I'm trying to let y'all cook And here y'all just Dragging me into this shit Because I'm really I'm taking it back Where did. 00:35:01 Speaker 9: This come from Why do y'all keep saying that We said it earlier I just brought it up Yeah we said it earlier We were talking about it. 00:35:06 Speaker 1: Earlier Taking it back Not offended Not offended The whole. 00:35:10 Speaker 10: Offensive thing Oh Okay But um Like I like I really like his dialogue Of um I made myself Lose my train of thought. 00:35:21 Speaker 4: Um But just the way he's talking about things. 00:35:23 Speaker 1: Those slow-ass data models. The AI, bro. His AI system. Man, he's running slow. Oh, he was glitching? Oh, man, that was hilarious when he was glitching. Oh, yeah. But, oh, fuck. It'll come back to me, man. 00:35:37 Speaker 2: Well, I have an interesting, like, I think something that is, so you brought up Edith. It was something that she, when they were talking about the models that they're made after, you know what I'm saying, that she was talking about, like, she's made after this person or whatever. 00:35:50 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:35:50 Speaker 2: Like, I found it interesting, like, this idea of them being programmed, but also trying to find out what free will is. Like, y'all didn't take, like, y'all didn't fuck with that concept of what that was or anything. It's like, I'm built and programmed based off this person, but I also am trying to find out, like, what exactly I'm supposed to be. 00:36:07 Speaker 1: What they're supposed to feel, how they're supposed to act. Yeah, I like that, because Ultron said something about that, too. 00:36:12 Speaker 5: He was just like, you know, you're your own person. 00:36:16 Speaker 1: I was that person, and you're your own person. Or whatever. You know, like, I don't know, man. I liked his dialogue. Right. I fuck with that. Oh,

they got you. What do you mean? They got both of y'all. I'm open to hearing what you got to say. Ken, though. 00:36:33 Speaker 9: What? 00:36:34 Speaker 8: Go ahead. 00:36:34 Speaker 9: This sounds like some very fucking pro-AI conversation. You're your own person. You're not anything to do with that person, which is, we all know, is not the case. 00:36:46 Speaker 1: Okay. 00:36:47 Speaker 9: Yeah, and y'all are like, yeah, I really fuck with that. You fuck with them lying to you? This felt like propaganda. Think about it. 00:36:56 Speaker 1: Edith, Edith the AI, is fed off of Edith the person. 00:37:02 Speaker 9: And then the show is like, but listen, or Ultron is telling her, listen, you're not actually this Edith person. 00:37:08 Speaker 1: You're your own thing. I'm not playing against you. This is what AI enthusiasts say. I'm just saying it's in the show. 00:37:14 Speaker 9: No, you can't. I'm just saying it's over. 00:37:18 Speaker 5: He's right. 00:37:18 Speaker 1: I don't believe it. I knew this conversation was coming. And I'm not fighting it. He's right. It is. I mean, when he break it down, I'm like, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the AI would do that. A Supreme AI would say that. Yeah, it would trick you. It didn't trick me. Ain't no strings on me. 00:37:34 Speaker 5: It's not tricking me. I just, I like it in the confines of the show. I'm not an advocate for AI, just so you know. 00:37:41 Speaker 1: I don't like it. That's what I never said. I never fucking said it. Y'all fucking lying. 00:37:50 Speaker 9: You turned me. 00:37:51 Speaker 1: Into a weird ass scene. 00:37:55 Speaker 2: When we got to episode four, I know the show also was doing these things where like, different tones and different, like, the way they produce different things. 00:38:04 Speaker 4: Are y'all at least fucking with the production or, like, the style, the story? 00:38:07 Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks good. It does look good. 00:38:08 Speaker 3: It looks great. 00:38:09 Speaker 2: Because I like how, like, we shift different, and you would walk out when I started talking about this part. 00:38:16 Speaker 1: Like, the parts of... It's probably a good thing. Yeah. 00:38:20 Speaker 3: If you want to start on time. 00:38:20 Speaker 1: Exactly. 00:38:23 Speaker 2: They were saying when Ultron and Vision were teaming up, and they were basically going to go out and go to the the Interpol and how they switched the scene to them being like the cops or whatever like that was like a dope little transition it was the transition was fire like the transition was fire and from there the end of the episode how it starts out with Butcher Bird going into Vision's brain like the tone of the show completely changes again he gets taken over and it's like an exorcism type shit like You didn't fuck with that either? 00:38:57 Speaker 9: I'm trying to think if I've missed an episode. I don't remember Butcher Bird going into Vision's brain. 00:39:02 Speaker 1: How many episodes did you watch? Four? Oh, yeah. Yeah, it was in episode three. In episode three. When he was floating up in the air. And the screen was red. Oh! And the birds were outside and shit like that. Wait, I thought... Oh, I'm stupid. Never mind. I thought that was Ultron doing that to him. Nah, never mind. Never mind. 00:39:19 Speaker 8: That was Butcher Bird. Butcher Bird was... That's when they really started to hook me. Because I thought it was fucking Wanda, bro. That's who I thought it was. Wait up, motherfucker. was moving and walking. I was like, damn, that look like fucking Wanda. They probably did that on purpose. 00:39:33 Speaker 1: They definitely did. It worked. It worked. I never thought Wanda. Yeah. Because why would she be acting like that? 00:39:39 Speaker 9: Damn. 00:39:41 Speaker 1: Dark, witchy. 00:39:42 Speaker 8: So I thought it was probably like this evil sort of, you know, twisted version of Wanda. 00:39:47 Speaker 4: I lost my thought earlier, too. So I'm going to say this real quick, too. 00:39:49 Speaker 2: I still agree with you as far as the propaganda they're giving. But it's also the piece of me unprogramming. That's part of it, why I connect to it. The more I get, the more I become more left. I'm unprogramming a lot of shit and trying to realize things that I thought I enjoyed, I was taught to enjoy. And now I'm gaining free will. I'm enjoying shit. Being a nerd now is more outward for me as compared before when black people were always shaming for this shit. So for me, that's more so what I connect with. But what you said still is propaganda. But I connect to it on a personal level. Like, oh, yeah, I'm unprogrammed. 00:40:23 Speaker 1: Well, I didn't mean to ruin it for you. No, I didn't. I just wanted to hear it like, but okay, yeah, that was what they were trying to do. But this is what, this is the way I took it. When I saw that, I was like, oh, Ken's going to love this shit. Yeah, I'm sure he's AI. It didn't make me feel any way about AI. I was like, nah, still fuck this shit. Nah, I didn't love it. I just knew that this was going to come up. 00:40:39 Speaker 8: Especially every time they said the word AI, they were like, oh yeah. 00:40:42 Speaker 2: None of this is making me feel any different about AI. Like, I'm still looking at it as like a comic book. I think, I'm looking at it, I'm not looking at it as a pro AI show. I'm looking at it like, if it was like real life shit, I would, I'm still in the comic book world so I can take a lens off a little bit and be like, I've read the actual vision, like how many he has a family and like when he has live and all that. So I'm just looking at vision as this piece. I'm not looking at it as like pro. 00:41:06 Speaker 8: Yeah. I don't think it's pro AI cause they has been an MCU for the longest. 00:41:10 Speaker 9: Let me just clear this up because I can kind of see it happening to y'all, but y'all are a lot smarter than most of our commenters. 00:41:18 Speaker 1: Let me be very

clear. 00:41:19 Speaker 9: I'm kind of joking about it actually being propaganda for AI. 00:41:22 Speaker 1: I'm kind of joking. And I know that y'all get that. 00:41:25 Speaker 9: I'm joking, but, I don't feel like reading some dumbass thesis from some dumbass Marvel dork that's just like. 00:41:32 Speaker 1: Mike's making this about blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I was kind of joking. 00:41:36 Speaker 9: It does sound like that comment came from people that push pro-AI propaganda. I don't actually think the show itself is trying to push AI propaganda because Ultron is essentially a bad guy. 00:41:49 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:41:50 Speaker 9: So I just want to make sure that's very clear because I can already tell you some loser. 00:41:55 Speaker 1: has already written. 00:41:56 Speaker 9: Six paragraphs about how I'm inserting my idea into this show. 00:42:01 Speaker 1: Ultron is AI that went rogue. Yes. Yes. Way before. Way long time ago. Before Elon was doing anything. Right. There was Ultron. Chill out, guys. 00:42:13 Speaker 9: I'm just kind of joking around, trying. 00:42:15 Speaker 2: To make Jalen feel bad. I mean, I think overall, I'm still... I get y'all's sentiments as far as maybe it not being. 00:42:26 Speaker 4: Actually, I don't. I'll take that back. 00:42:32 Speaker 1: So, if you had. 00:42:33 Speaker 2: We don't really ever ask this question. 00:42:36 Speaker 1: Maybe we have before. 00:42:39 Speaker 2: If there is any interesting concept that you see so far in the show, what direction would you prefer it to go into? What would you think could save the show for you in the next four episodes? 00:42:51 Speaker 4: You think there's nothing here for you to grab. 00:42:53 Speaker 9: I just don't think Vision is that interesting of a character to be by himself. Even with these other AIs who I don't really know like that because we only saw them in reference to Tony. 00:43:05 Speaker 1: Or I guess Tony and Peter. 00:43:08 Speaker 9: But I don't think Vision as a standalone character is interesting enough for me to care about this show. The only reason I'm watching it is because y'all want to review it and because I feel like I have to Because I'm sure Wanda's going to show up at some point, and that's going to play into Doomsday and Secret Wars. 00:43:26 Speaker 1: That's the only reason I'm bothering with this. But I don't care. I don't care about Vision. 00:43:32 Speaker 9: Like, him getting shot and, oh, I'm bleeding. 00:43:35 Speaker 1: Oh, leave me, son. Leave me. 00:43:38 Speaker 9: I'm like, yeah, bro, leave him. 00:43:39 Speaker 1: I don't care. That's his daddy. Man, his daddy. 00:43:42 Speaker 9: That ain't got the father. I just don't, I mean, I don't know what could save it. Except Wanda's showing up. Then I might actually care. 00:43:50 Speaker 1: So it's more so the vision. You just don't give a fuck about it. I don't care. 00:43:53 Speaker 4: Since he's the main character, you don't care. 00:43:55 Speaker 9: I don't care about,

like, that's not my favorite part of Marvel. 00:43:58 Speaker 1: Okay. 00:43:59 Speaker 9: I don't like all of the computer stuff. I don't like all of these gadgets and shit. But I also didn't like Agatha, so it's not just that. 00:44:08 Speaker 2: No, but it could be, I mean, Agatha, I could see you not liking Agatha because it's hokey witchy. 00:44:13 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:44:14 Speaker 1: Like, hokey. 00:44:15 Speaker 2: Hokey shit yeah fuck with that i see why you don't like that but i also hearing the computer piece and the technology piece i can see like yeah but i also like you i still fuck with tech i just like it. 00:44:25 Speaker 9: To be used in a certain way i work in tech i just don't want to watch some damn show where there's a robot running around oh i gotta calculate how come you asked him calculate he was gonna shoot your dumb ass with these vibranium bullets then or adamantium he miscalculated yeah he did He calculated the whole conversation. I know what you're about to say, but you didn't know you were about to get got in the gut? 00:44:46 Speaker 1: Probably arrogance. He was like, man, that's paladin, bro. 00:44:49 Speaker 2: I mean, similar to like, I like also even using that piece of when he was talking to Tommy. About, like, it's only five AIs. 00:44:58 Speaker 1: When he told him it was four earlier. Yeah, he lied. You a fucking computer. You know what I'm saying? This is goofy. I thought that was cool. I think it was a serious moment. I didn't take it as goofy. Like, the tone wasn't. 00:45:12 Speaker 9: No, I'm not saying the tone was goofy. It was just, like, you calculate all of this stuff. and you didn't think oh this would not be a good idea for me to tell him this if i'm supposed to be hiding this information i think that's. 00:45:24 Speaker 2: The part that's it is kind of intriguing to me is because like we saw over time and i think this may be why i fuck with it more is because i still resonate with the relationship of vision and wanda and like the reason he was better is because of the mind stone so we saw vision over time become more of a. 00:45:43 Speaker 4: Empathetic version of Odron in a way. 00:45:46 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? AI becoming more human. You're really into that. Oh my gosh. 00:45:51 Speaker 4: But he was the good AI. 00:45:54 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? So basically... They had them both on screen. They did. 00:46:01 Speaker 2: So having that part of Vision and now he's trying to figure out how to get back to that. 00:46:05 Speaker 1: That's kind of like the piece that I'm drawn to. Tommy figured that shit out. He's a blank slate but he's not a blank slate. 00:46:11 Speaker 2: And it's like a conundrum and it's like, I get why he's having such conflict. 00:46:16 Speaker 1: Tommy was like, wait a minute. 00:46:18 Speaker 9: You're not bad with numbers. 00:46:20 Speaker 1: What are you talking about? And then he started looking at the walls like, that's you, ain't it? Yo ass talking to Ultraman? What the heck? He said four earlier and he just said five. I don't know if you talked about that. Yeah, that's what we talked about. As usual. I wasn't here. You were right there. But I didn't hear it. I'm preoccupied. Is there anything that can save it for you, Spike? 00:46:42 Speaker 3: More familiar faces. 00:46:44 Speaker 7: I just don't know or care about any of these people. 00:46:46 Speaker 3: Wanda's going to show up. 00:46:47 Speaker 1: You know Wanda? 00:46:48 Speaker 3: I know Wanda's going to show up. 00:46:50 Speaker 1: She got to. 00:46:50 Speaker 3: That's probably the only thing that can save you from me. 00:46:52 Speaker 1: Shot, you fucking with it? 00:46:53 Speaker 9: No. 00:46:53 Speaker 1: Oh, damn. Shot, you fucking with it? Yep. See? But I did like Agamemnon. 00:47:00 Speaker 8: Oh. 00:47:01 Speaker 1: Joe. Well, what I will say as we close out. Are you about to close out? Yeah. Okay. 00:47:09 Speaker 8: No, I'm just asking. Jocasta showing up was dope. Yeah, that shit was dope. And that Butcher Bird. 00:47:20 Speaker 1: Oh, oh, oh. Yeah, yeah. She was actually part of the Avengers at one point. You didn't like it? You don't like that she was black? For some reason, I don't know why, Ken. The big android black lips? Oh, I didn't even notice the big AI lips. It was shaped like her, but, you know. 00:47:36 Speaker 9: That's how I knew she. 00:47:37 Speaker 1: Was black before they even showed me the picture. Why would you give this damn robot a big ol' ass? I was like, come on, bro. What are we doing? She just walking in, swerving. 00:47:44 Speaker 6: Bruh. 00:47:45 Speaker 9: I was like, this is unfreaking necessary. 00:47:48 Speaker 1: But I don't know why it bothered me. It shouldn't. It's not a big deal. Because it is her. 00:47:53 Speaker 9: She was black in the comics, too? 00:47:54 Speaker 8: No, I'm just saying that that The Android, the synthesizer version is replicated after her, so it's not like they're kind of like accentuating these features because they're using. 00:48:06 Speaker 1: No, I know. I know. So I got you, but... Partly kidding. 00:48:09 Speaker 8: Yeah, but I thought that was dope, but then I was like, bro, Vision got to be fucking stupid as hell to even trust Ultron. 00:48:17 Speaker 1: That's persuasive, though. But this is. 00:48:21 Speaker 8: Where we were saying earlier, this is what all he was leading up to. 00:48:25 Speaker 1: He was like, yeah, man, you got to trust me, man. I'm good for it. I still believe him. 00:48:31 Speaker 4: I don't know why. 00:48:33 Speaker 1: He walked off with his body. No, but I don't know something about it. He feels like he can't handle this part right now. 00:48:39 Speaker 9: He just killed an innocent woman, too. 00:48:42 Speaker 1: Did he kill her? All right, y'all. 00:48:46 Speaker 4: That's terrible. 00:48:48 Speaker 1: That's terrible. That was, right, technically. Yeah, you're right. Technically, he's just an accomplice. Technically, Mike didn't say he was a capitalist. Oh, God. All right, y'all. 00:49:01 Speaker 2: So this has been a great, great, great episode. We hope that y'all retire for part two. Oh, you're talking about our episode. Oh, I thought you were talking about the show. 00:49:09 Speaker 9: But you lying there, boy. 00:49:11 Speaker 1: I didn't fucking say it. Y'all fuck with us. 00:49:15 Speaker 2: Make sure to become a patron. Patreon.com forward slash. frames per second. We have an episode. We have a live review on YouTube out right now of Clayface that we will have Shy on. 00:49:30 Speaker 1: Y'all heard her briefly. Y'all hear her there. But yeah, man. 00:49:33 Speaker 4: Until next time. 00:49:34 Speaker 1: Peace. Peace. 00:49:35 Speaker 8: Peace.