Full Transcript for Carrie

of what I enjoyed about it. And I was just thinking about other movies that are out there. And I know they're doing Crystal Lake and some others. And I'm like, what other movies could they do to where they just flush out this one story and just kind of start from the beginning to the end and just add some stuff in there, creative license, as Jay-Z liked to say. So overall, I enjoy what they did with this. 00:06:07 Speaker 4: Cool. 00:06:10 Speaker 2: So I didn't like the fall of the House of Usher. We reviewed that. I didn't care for it, and I was like, oh, shit, my boy Mike Flanagan's on the outs. Then he came back with A Life of Chuck, and it was not even a typical Mike Flanagan piece of work, but A Life of Chuck was brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. I'm pretty sure it made my best of the year list that year. Then he did Carrie. 00:06:33 Speaker 1: Okay. 00:06:34 Speaker 2: I don't know why he did this. 00:06:35 Speaker 5: I don't know why he did this. 00:06:39 Speaker 2: I still love Mike Flanagan because he's given me so much that I love. And I didn't hate this. I was fine with it until the end. The end is garbage. And I feel like it was a Disney-fied ending because he wants to have multiple seasons. And I was so irritated. when this ended, I was like, what the fuck are you doing? 00:07:02 Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking about. 00:07:03 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:07:03 Speaker 2: It was bad news. 00:07:04 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:07:05 Speaker 4: That's why I was like, it was solid. Cause it felt like he took a lot of different themes from like teenage movies, like mean girls. And, and, um, it was another one I was thinking of while I was watching it and just kind of Matilda and just kind of like mixed it in together. And I was like, I mean, I guess. 00:07:24 Speaker 1: Right. 00:07:25 Speaker 4: It, Okay. 00:07:27 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:07:27 Speaker 4: I mean, there gotta be a reason for this girl to act like this. Although there was no fucking reason for that girl to act like that. 00:07:35 Speaker 1: Nope. Nope. 00:07:37 Speaker 4: She never asked her fucking mom for a parent plus loan. She never said, Hey mom, can you, uh, help a nigga out to get the Duke? She never said, and her mom probably would've been like, okay, be nice to your, your step sister, not your step sister. 00:07:49 Speaker 1: Right. 00:07:50 Speaker 4: And she would've went to school. 00:07:51 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:07:52 Speaker 4: So I feel like that kind of, when you give her that motivation, it kind of crumbles because they didn't, and then her dad was like, don't ask your mom, but like, fuck you, I'm going to school. 00:08:01 Speaker 2: Exactly. 00:08:02 Speaker 4: He was trying to hide his bullshit. 00:08:04 Speaker 2: Right, but as her, as the kid, I'd have been like, why? It's my mom. 00:08:08 Speaker 4: Girl, you went to school and bullied all them motherfuckers. You better go talk to your goddamn mom. 00:08:12 Speaker 1: Nah. 00:08:13 Speaker 4: I was having an issue with that. Go tell your mom to sign a four-payer plus loan and take your ass to school. 00:08:18 Speaker 1: Well, they kind of gave reasons. 00:08:20 Speaker 2: Not really. Why she didn't ask the mom? She was just being a brat. And she was mad. Yeah. And that's it. 00:08:27 Speaker 1: That's enough. 00:08:28 Speaker 5: Nah. 00:08:28 Speaker 2: If you want to go to school that bad to where you willing to burn this whole shit down over that, at least let her ask her mom and her mom say no. 00:08:37 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:08:37 Speaker 2: But there were multiple things throughout this series where I was like, I don't understand why you changed that. And I don't understand why you did that. Why did you add that? 00:08:45 Speaker 3: Why? 00:08:45 Speaker 2: It was just, we'll get to it. But it was just weird. 00:08:48 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:08:49 Speaker 2: It was weird. I still love Mike Flanagan. I'll still watch his version of, I think he's doing The Exorcist. I'll still watch that. 00:08:55 Speaker 5: Preview came out. 00:08:56 Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks hard. 00:08:57 Speaker 4: They had Easter eggs for it in the Carrie show. 00:09:00 Speaker 1: Oh, for Exorcist? Yeah. 00:09:02 Speaker 2: Oh, I missed it. 00:09:03 Speaker 4: In the very first episode, the little boy is reading the Exorcist book. 00:09:06 Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't even notice that. I didn't even notice that. All right, well, we're going to go ahead and jump into this, man. First episode is called First Period, which that's real clever. Starts off with Sue Snell being interviewed after surviving the massacre at Thomas Ewan Consolidated High School. I'll start with you, Shia. Did you think this was a cool way to start this off by doing the interviews? 00:09:27 Speaker 4: I did. I actually liked it because it comes back at the end and it changes the meaning. So at first I was kind of like, okay, well, yeah, it wasn't just Carrie. When she was saying it in the beginning, I was thinking, yeah, it was her being bullied. But when they changed the meaning at the end, I was like, oh, okay, that's different. But Yeah, I thought that was really cool, like Netflix-style documentary style, because that's what would happen nowadays. If a tragedy like that happened, they would come and bring them cameras and put them in them kids' faces and not give two fucks. 00:09:57 Speaker 1: Yep. 00:09:58 Speaker 4: So I was like, that's realistic. 00:10:00 Speaker 2: That part what about y'all did you were y'all cool with how this started off with this documentary style kind of thing. 00:10:06 Speaker 7: Yeah I love the way that they told this story and then the M you like how ambiguous it was as well when they was like oh well 200 people died and you they feeling it, they feeling it in, but then you still got other ways. 00:10:19 Speaker 5: Like how the fuck did that happen then? So yeah, I liked it. 00:10:22 Speaker 1: I thought it was a cool idea in the beginning. I, and I felt that there was going to be a little bit

more to it than, uh, than what we got at the end, especially when they were like, yeah, but nobody's asked about the other people. And that is the issue that I had with this, with this show. Cause they introduced these other people and, you know, it was just like, whatever. 00:10:42 Speaker 2: So, Oh, so they were, they were very subtle with what those people were. I thought it was cool, but we'll get to it. But yeah, I thought it was cool. Then at the beginning, I'm like, Oh, okay, cool. We're going to do some other shit here. And it's just like, yeah, but we'll, we'll talk about it. They kind of explained it at the end who those people are. 00:11:01 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:11:01 Speaker 2: Uh, we will get to that. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's a tie in with another property, um, which I actually thought was pretty dope. Um, But yeah, after the death of Ralph White, who is Carrie's father, social services does a check of his house. And we meet mother Margaret White and daughter Carrie Anna, who I did not know her name was Carrie Anna. And if that's the case, why y'all get this white woman to play somebody named Carrie Anna? Don't make no damn sense. 00:11:31 Speaker 4: It's Carrie Adams. 00:11:32 Speaker 2: Oh, Carriata, you're right. That sounds even more black to me. No, it sounds white. Does that sound country white? 00:11:37 Speaker 1: Carriata sounds white. 00:11:38 Speaker 2: Carriata, I don't know. Carriata. I don't know, y'all. 00:11:41 Speaker 4: Come on over here, Carriata. 00:11:42 Speaker 1: Her name's Carriata? 00:11:43 Speaker 5: Yes, Carriata. 00:11:45 Speaker 1: Oh, you're right. 00:11:46 Speaker 2: It's Carriata, not Carriata. 00:11:48 Speaker 4: Carriana sounds black to me. 00:11:49 Speaker 2: Carriana sounds black. Carriana sounds white. 00:11:51 Speaker 5: You're right. 00:11:52 Speaker 4: It sounds livestock white. 00:11:53 Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like country is fuck white here. Like she just got done turning butter. 00:11:58 Speaker 1: Carriana! 00:11:59 Speaker 2: Get over here, Carriana! 00:12:01 Speaker 4: Yeah, Carriana, come on off the prairie. 00:12:03 Speaker 2: Got done? So, they are now required to send Carri to public school. And on her first day, she's part of a school shooter drill, which causes her to panic and use her powers in a small way. which embarrasses her new friend, Sue Snell, and her developing bully, Chris Hargensen. Spike, why are you laughing? Was this cool? 00:12:21 Speaker 5: She was wild. I get it. I got it. She was wild. 00:12:26 Speaker 2: She didn't know what a drill was. 00:12:28 Speaker 5: I got it. 00:12:29 Speaker 6: And they did a really good job of, like, making it. Like, where you were sympathetic of it, but you still was like, man, come the fuck on, y'all. 00:12:37 Speaker 5: You don't know nothing. 00:12:38 Speaker 1: Oh, that's right. With that motherfucker busting that door, bro. 00:12:41 Speaker 2: Yeah. Like, oh, hell no. Yeah. Put me back in the closet. 00:12:46 Speaker 4: Right. 00:12:46 Speaker 2: She said, I just got here. I'm motherfucking doing this shit. 00:12:50 Speaker 1: Oh, shit, baby. 00:12:51 Speaker 2: That girl was like, man, get off me. 00:12:54 Speaker 4: What the fuck is she doing? But, like, also, the girl had never been to school. It was realistic, but it was hilarious. 00:13:03 Speaker 2: It was. 00:13:03 Speaker 4: Because, I mean, my daughter's in kindergarten, so they going over drills now. And when she came home, she was like, all right, everybody, it's a earthquake coming. I was like, what the hell are they teaching y'all? Well, so they start drills very early. 00:13:17 Speaker 1: Oh, my God. 00:13:17 Speaker 4: So she missed all that shit. Yeah. 00:13:20 Speaker 2: I thought it made sense. 00:13:21 Speaker 4: It did. 00:13:21 Speaker 1: It was funny. It did. 00:13:22 Speaker 2: I could see a homeschooled-ass kid doing that. 00:13:25 Speaker 1: Oh, man. She was like, what's going on? What is this? It's a drill. You mean it's fake? You mean it's real, but it's fake? 00:13:30 Speaker 5: It's real, but it's fake? 00:13:31 Speaker 2: Oh, my God. There's shots. 00:13:33 Speaker 1: What's going on? 00:13:34 Speaker 2: She heard the gunshots. She was like, wait, y'all saying this shit is fake? 00:13:38 Speaker 4: Wait, do something. 00:13:38 Speaker 2: He clearly got a gun. 00:13:41 Speaker 4: Do they really do that though like like that was my question like cause that shit she dropped the roof on that motherfucker. 00:13:49 Speaker 2: I don't think they really have people dressed up as shooters. 00:13:51 Speaker 4: With like sound like that's traumatizing for children yes. 00:13:55 Speaker 1: That's crazy oh Jesus. 00:13:57 Speaker 2: Christ yeah she did she did drop that TV on his toe he's like ah god damn it lucky he didn't start shooting yeah that's what I thought was gonna happen. 00:14:06 Speaker 1: I was like oh he finna shoot oh shit Here's a question I have. Real quick. Did one of them motherfuckers kill her dad? Or are you going to ask this later? 00:14:18 Speaker 2: We don't know. It seems like it. Why would them bricks just fall like that? 00:14:25 Speaker 4: And then if you see it, before it actually falls, it starts trembling. To me, I thought so. 00:14:31 Speaker 1: That bothered me the whole goddamn show. We never got any. 00:14:34 Speaker 2: Because Mike Flanagan knows he's getting more seasons. So they're going to answer that later. 00:14:39 Speaker 1: Okay. 00:14:39 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. But yeah, I think so. So yeah, we also get the classic scene of her having her first period in gym and the girls teasing her, which caused her to use her powers. And this actually alerts some cultists to pick up on her power. And until I was doing the notes, I, the whole time I thought the black neighbor that she had, I thought that was the same person as that black girl that was in the cult. 00:15:03 Speaker 5: I'm sorry. 00:15:04 Speaker 2: I'm sorry. We don't all look alike, but in this moment

we did. 00:15:08 Speaker 1: Because there wasn't a lot of. 00:15:10 Speaker 2: There wasn't but three. Yeah. So I thought that was the same girl. And I thought it was my girl Deja from This Is Us. Oh, okay. So I had to go look. I was like, that's not Deja. Because at first I was like, oh, my girl's finally getting some roles. 00:15:26 Speaker 4: They do kind of look alike. They do look a little bit. 00:15:28 Speaker 2: And Deja's a good-ass actress. I was like, the older Deja I'm talking about. Anyway, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. The cultists pick up on her using the power. And the episode ends with Sue Snell's interview and her revealing that the massacre at the school wasn't just Carrie. So, Shy, you were saying that this was a little bit interesting to you, how they were implying that there was other shit going on? 00:15:52 Speaker 1: Um. 00:15:54 Speaker 4: No, not necessarily, like, that portion of it. I thought that it fits in for him to tie in everything. 00:16:00 Speaker 1: Oh, okay. 00:16:00 Speaker 4: But more so, like, the, like, filling out of high school life. 00:16:05 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:16:05 Speaker 4: I felt like he did a good job at that. Like, even though I do feel like he pulled from Mean Girls and American Horror Story Coven and, you know, that kind of thing. And Matilda. I know I keep saying that, but, like, that's literally Matilda if her parents were, like... put her in a prayer closet instead of ignoring her ass. But, I mean, I thought that he kind of filled out that portion of it. Because it is a series. You do need to have eight episodes. So there had to be some mundane high school bullshit. 00:16:37 Speaker 2: Sure, sure. 00:16:38 Speaker 4: But I wasn't ready for some of it. 00:16:42 Speaker 1: I did like this part. I'm interested because now you're adding a sci-fi element to it. So now I'm thinking mutants. Everybody got power. So now there's some people riding with some power. So I'm like, oh, I'll bet. Now this is different. This is new. But I'm willing to go along with the ride to see what he does with it. And now there's the setup, homeschool. Now you're here. And now you see like new girl with the cross and like, how is she going to deal with this new environment? And how do we get from A to B? And Carrie, we just started there. So now it's like, how do we get the buildup of how people started being mean to her? So I liked where we were going after episode one. 00:17:27 Speaker 5: Who was it that felt her powers? 00:17:30 Speaker 4: They didn't tell us. 00:17:31 Speaker 5: They didn't ever tell us. 00:17:32 Speaker 1: Well, they did. 00:17:32 Speaker 2: They implied. 00:17:33 Speaker 4: Yeah, but they didn't say her name. I think only the interviewer has a name right now. 00:17:38 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:17:39 Speaker 2: Yeah, because that's Emmaline's mother. But you're talking about the... Yeah. Oh, you didn't catch that part? They didn't say it explicitly, but. 00:17:48 Speaker 4: I thought the lady that showed up with the gun was her mom. 00:17:51 Speaker 1: Mm-mm. 00:17:52 Speaker 5: Mm-mm. 00:17:53 Speaker 1: Oh. Mm-mm. 00:17:54 Speaker 2: I don't think so. Wait, no. Shia might be right. I might be getting mixed up. 00:18:00 Speaker 4: No, no, no. 00:18:01 Speaker 2: I'm right. I'm right. 00:18:02 Speaker 1: I'm right. I'm right. I don't think that was. 00:18:04 Speaker 3: The woman that showed up with the gun was. 00:18:07 Speaker 2: She definitely had a kid that had powers. 00:18:10 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:18:11 Speaker 2: But I don't think it was Emmaline. 00:18:12 Speaker 4: Okay. 00:18:13 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:18:13 Speaker 4: I thought that's what they were showing because the girl kept disappearing and showing up. I thought that was the astral projection. 00:18:18 Speaker 2: That is. That's Emmaline. 00:18:20 Speaker 4: But that's not her mom. 00:18:21 Speaker 1: Shit. 00:18:21 Speaker 2: Did I just get all that mixed up? 00:18:23 Speaker 1: I was thinking something completely different. 00:18:26 Speaker 2: I thought the interviewer said that Emmaline was her daughter. But I might have got that mixed up. 00:18:35 Speaker 4: I thought, okay, so I thought the lady was saying she was her daughter when they were sitting there at the table when she was talking to Carrie's mom. 00:18:42 Speaker 2: And saying you had to kill her. 00:18:43 Speaker 4: Yeah, because she was explaining the issue, like the powers and stuff. And the one that she was talking about was the one that Shorty had. So I thought that was her mom that showed up. 00:18:53 Speaker 2: I think you're right. I think I got them mixed up. I think I got them mixed up in my notes. I think you're right. Because that's why she showed up and she shot her. I thought. 00:19:02 Speaker 4: I thought she showed up to kill her aunt here. 00:19:04 Speaker 5: Right. 00:19:05 Speaker 2: So I think you're right. I think you're right. So I'm glad we got that cleared up. But yes, they do kind of explain who these cultists are. But we'll get to that. All right. So episode two is called Foreign Language. And this episode kicks off with a woman in Georgia, actually, in 1982, who lifts a car after it falls on her kid. And this implies that she also has powers. So in general, did y'all like this edition of these other stories of people having powers? 00:19:30 Speaker 5: Yes. This made it make a lot more sense to me. 00:19:34 Speaker 4: Instead of it being, because like, I guess originally Carrie was like horror. And now it's like you said, it moves into the science fiction of it. And I thought that was like a really good, like, that's why I said American Horror Story, Coven, because it like, it kind of, what to me felt like witches. but it could have been other things other reasons why they had power so yeah but yeah I felt like they were kind of collecting stories just to explain this story which I felt like was kind of cool because who hasn't heard the story about the lady

lifting the car off her son like I thought that was cool. 00:20:09 Speaker 1: Yeah, I enjoyed it too. And I was really looking forward to seeing what they do with that, kind of going back in history and pulling some of these stories about how they perceive women were and the different reasons why they were killed and persecuted and stuff like that because there was just a lack of understanding and trying to take that and apply it into the present day. I thought it was really, really dope. So I liked all of those additions at the beginning of the episodes. 00:20:35 Speaker 2: Yeah, I liked it too. I liked it too. I didn't like it at first because I was just like, who cares? But once it got later on and they make the reference to the other property, I was like, oh, that's cool. I get what you're doing now. But yeah, so we find that Carrie's mom is working at a grocery store and she's acting like a nut job harassing customers, using her religion as an excuse, which goes to the conversation we just had. But she ends up getting demoted to maintenance. I have never seen. 00:21:05 Speaker 1: Never. Never mind. 00:21:07 Speaker 2: White folks don't like that type of shit. You know, she was mad as hell. She wanted to talk to every supervisor she could find. But we also see Carrie learning about puberty. And when she confronts her mom about puberty, she sent to the prayer closet. So basically pretty similar to what happens in the movie. And we're also getting glimpses of Chris's relationship with her father who's getting divorced from her mother. So was any of this stuff interesting to y'all? 00:21:31 Speaker 5: I like developing Chris's character more. 00:21:33 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:21:34 Speaker 6: I think even, like, to both of y'all's point, they, like, stretched some parts of this too long. So they try to make us too empathetic with her. 00:21:44 Speaker 1: Sure. 00:21:45 Speaker 6: And, like, kind of move her away from villain and more into what she had to do because she was facing so much pressure. But I did like the whole thing with her dad. I like her responses to it. The social media thing worked. Carrie Redd that she set up and then her defense of it. I liked everywhere they took that other character versus what they did in the movie. 00:22:05 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think her actions made sense and it felt very modern. So if I'm a kid watching this or a teenager watching this or 20-something, you can relate to that. You can see them creating a social media account, a meme account, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I am 100% with you. And that was one of the issues I had with what they did with Chris's story. Like, you know, um and making us way too empathetic to this woman to this child um yeah after a while it just got exhausted like she's at this point just a just a asshole. 00:22:39 Speaker 5: Like we get that bad things happen to her she's still a shitty. 00:22:42 Speaker 1: Person yeah and but in the beginning when we started out i was like oh you know i you know this is why she was behaving and acting the way she is she's not used to this shit my dad's a lawyer he runs the town and I can get whatever I want. And then, you know, now I can't go to Duke. 00:22:58 Speaker 5: Yeah, now she acting out. 00:22:59 Speaker 1: Yeah, so. 00:23:02 Speaker 4: I didn't like that shit. I felt like she was just a bitch. 00:23:05 Speaker 1: I was going to say that, but I just went with an asshole. 00:23:08 Speaker 2: We're not allowed. Yeah, I just went with an asshole mic. 00:23:10 Speaker 1: Right. 00:23:11 Speaker 2: Keep it classy. Keep it classy. 00:23:14 Speaker 4: My bad. 00:23:14 Speaker 2: No, you're good. I was saying that. 00:23:17 Speaker 1: I'm not going to say it. 00:23:19 Speaker 2: You're not going to get in trouble. We would. And thank you. 00:23:23 Speaker 4: I mean, I did, though, because all of her shit that she was complaining about, first of all, I will say, you go to your parent and you're like, I got into school and they're like, you can't go because of financial shit and you go jump in a G-Wagon and run away, that would feel kind of fucking crazy. Like, I'll go sell this car. I'm going to school. Fuck you. 00:23:42 Speaker 1: Right. 00:23:42 Speaker 4: Like, if it mean I got to get away from y'all. So I guess that part of it was just like, but when you have shit happen to you, just as a teenage girl, yes, the idea of, you know, going out and making other people feel shitty is, A thing. 00:24:00 Speaker 1: Sure. 00:24:00 Speaker 4: But that shit is not okay. Like, it's just not. She was just a bitch. Like, you can't handle your feelings. You need therapy. Your parents splitting up. Your mama done ran off before. Bitch, you need therapy. Go get you some fucking therapy. 00:24:15 Speaker 3: Because.... 00:24:17 Speaker 4: Okay, Carrie doesn't have powers. What happened? Somebody comes to the school and shoot that bitch up because she done been goddamn acting like that. I'm just saying. It take 30 seconds to be nice, hoe. And then she was a senior. This girl is a fresh sophomore. 00:24:32 Speaker 2: You've been around too long. 00:24:34 Speaker 4: Exactly. You get ready to move into the world. So that shit was, it was, no, hell no. If that was my daughter, I would have whooped her ass. 00:24:42 Speaker 6: Yeah. 00:24:43 Speaker 4: Talking about mediation. Fuck that. She'll be back after we handle this shit. 00:24:46 Speaker 2: Talking about concussion. I'm kind of in the middle. I did like that they fleshed her character out because I don't think I have too much of a problem with empathizing with a villain. It wasn't so much as Chris, for me at least, it wasn't so much Chris's characterization that bothered me was more Carrie's, which we will get to later. But yeah, with what they did with Chris and the whole relationship, I believe And nerds, obviously, correct me if I'm wrong, I believe that stuff was in the book or something. I know her dad was a lawyer in the book. And I know a

lot of the interviews and stuff, that was from the book. But I honestly have not read that book since I was probably 10, so I don't remember. I don't remember. 00:25:30 Speaker 4: I never read it, Stephen King. 00:25:33 Speaker 2: Well, this is probably, if you ever got bored and wanted to read one, this is probably the easiest one to read because it's his shortest book. It's his first book, and it's his shortest book. 00:25:42 Speaker 4: That makes a lot of sense as to why the movie is so short. 00:25:44 Speaker 5: Yes. 00:25:44 Speaker 2: There's not a whole lot of content. There's not a whole lot to do with it. So Mike Flanagan obviously had to go watch Degrassi episodes and be like, okay, this is what we're going to do. 00:25:54 Speaker 4: Mean Girls. 00:25:54 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:25:55 Speaker 4: The play and the movie. 00:25:57 Speaker 2: Both of them. 00:25:57 Speaker 4: Right. 00:25:58 Speaker 2: But yeah, so tension is rising between Carrie's mom and the school principal, Henry Gale, or Grail, who is played by... Oh my God, I'm drawing a blank and I love the guy. Matthew Lillard. Love this guy. 00:26:11 Speaker 5: Scooby. Yes. 00:26:12 Speaker 2: He's such a, he's not just a dope actor. He seems like a dope person. 00:26:16 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:26:18 Speaker 2: Anyway, they're having an issue with him. Carrie also makes a friend named Emmeline who immediately got on my fucking nerves because she looks like A cashier at fucking Hot Topic. She was irritating the fuck out of me. 00:26:31 Speaker 5: She look like that girl off The Boys. Yes, yes, Gen V. 00:26:34 Speaker 4: She look just like her. And then Carrie having menstrual powers. 00:26:38 Speaker 5: The one that could turn herself into a little bitch. 00:26:40 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:26:41 Speaker 2: Ooh, y'all are racist. 00:26:42 Speaker 3: She don't look nothing like that damn girl. The little white girl that can shrink. 00:26:46 Speaker 2: Yeah. They don't look nothing. Ooh, I'm a vestal. 00:26:49 Speaker 4: She like 15 pounds heavier, but they look alike. 00:26:52 Speaker 2: Ooh, y'all racist. 00:26:53 Speaker 4: Wait a minute. I thought it was her. Hold on. 00:26:56 Speaker 2: I'm racist too. 00:26:57 Speaker 6: Okay. 00:26:57 Speaker 2: I was about to say. I'm racist too. I'm just saying we all in the same gang today. I thought it was her. 00:27:03 Speaker 1: I saw the same girl. I didn't. 00:27:06 Speaker 3: That's hilarious. The only similarity, they both got short blonde hair. 00:27:10 Speaker 2: That's it. That's like saying I look like Shabba from Nevermind. Let's just move on. 00:27:17 Speaker 5: Oh, shit. 00:27:18 Speaker 4: Some people felt the same way. 00:27:20 Speaker 1: This is true. This is true. 00:27:22 Speaker 2: We have two racists up on this show. So, yeah. 00:27:26 Speaker 3: So, the episode ends with Chris creating an IG account called Carrie Red, which, you know. 00:27:32 Speaker 2: We were pretty sure at this moment was going to be used to torment Carrie. So, did y'all like this edition of the IG account? 00:27:38 Speaker 6: Real quick before we go, I did find myself siding with the mother in a lot of the conversations that she was having. 00:27:45 Speaker 2: Oh, sure. Sure. Sure. That made it good. 00:27:47 Speaker 6: Yeah, that made it really good. Because I didn't think she was a character that I would root for. I never went into this thing. 00:27:52 Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. 00:27:53 Speaker 4: That's from the movie. 00:27:54 Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. 00:27:55 Speaker 6: So it's a question of the conversations that she was having with the principal. 00:27:59 Speaker 5: I always was like. 00:28:00 Speaker 2: She got a point. I'm on her side. 00:28:03 Speaker 5: But I really liked the social media thing, too. 00:28:04 Speaker 6: I thought that was a nice twist to add to it, to modernize it, and then the way that it takes off and has its own storyline later on in the series. So I thought that was good, too. 00:28:15 Speaker 1: What about y'all? 00:28:18 Speaker 4: Uh, I guess I thought that the Instagram thing was of course, like, that's how kids, you know, post stuff about people. I just thought it was really smart the way they did it. Cause like, usually it'll be like a secret account and maybe they'll name it after the school, but it was like specifically Carrie, but it wasn't just Carrie. It was everyone. I thought that was kind of, it was a good way to do it. Cause if it was just targeted at Carrie, I guess it could have been easy to kind of track down. 00:28:45 Speaker 6: Sure. 00:28:46 Speaker 2: Who was doing it, who was behind it. 00:28:48 Speaker 4: So adding all the rest of the kids, even though it created a bunch of bullshit, it made sense. It was kind of smart. I guess for a digital age kid, that would be a smart move. 00:28:59 Speaker 1: And the implications of doing that, because everybody was impacted and affected by it. And we saw that. Sometimes kids and teenagers and adults don't realize that shit. It has real life implications to people. Yeah, I agree. 00:29:17 Speaker 2: I think that adding the social media element was actually a really smart idea. It modernizes it without going too modern. What I thought, though, was that it didn't change Carrie enough for me. Because the thing about the original movie is whenever she was tormented at school, she could just go home. Even though she had a crazy-ass mama, too. But she could go home and escape what's happening at school. The fact that this is now on social media, she can't get away from it. It's everywhere now. 00:29:44 Speaker 3: So I thought this was going to have a much bigger impact on her bugging the fuck out earlier. 00:29:49 Speaker 2: That's what I thought was going to happen. But that's okay. My expectations were not met. 00:29:53 Speaker 5: But she didn't have it on social media, though. 00:29:55 Speaker 2: But she saw it. Remember, they showed it to her. 00:29:57 Speaker 1: They were showing it to her, but she wasn't living

with it because she didn't have a phone. You're right. And I think expanding it to other people reduced the impact to her. 00:30:07 Speaker 4: She was checking the computer, though. 00:30:08 Speaker 2: Yes. 00:30:09 Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. 00:30:10 Speaker 2: Yeah, she was checking on the computer. 00:30:11 Speaker 4: But it was still at school. But she was looking at the Instagram page on the computer. 00:30:16 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I would imagine leaving school knowing that there's this account. 00:30:21 Speaker 5: Yeah, okay. 00:30:22 Speaker 2: But no, y'all are right. Y'all are right. She didn't have a phone. 00:30:25 Speaker 5: I forgot about that. 00:30:26 Speaker 3: If you would love to have more content from Frames Per Second, become a patron where you can contribute to what we review and discuss. Our Patreon gives the listeners the power to nominate and vote a monthly discussion and film review, while also nominating and voting on weekly solo reviews from each cast member. You also get the opportunity to vote on the publicly released anniversary film, all exclusive to our Patreon. So become a patron at patreon.com Frames Per Second, where there are two tiers you can choose from. That's patreon.com forward slash frames per second. So this is where the episodes kind of get a little bit more condensed because the setup is already done. 00:31:08 Speaker 2: So now we're at episode three, which is called Social Studies. This one starts off with another story of a woman who could move objects with her mind. And then it kind of trans... Why am I drawing a blank? 00:31:25 Speaker 5: What is the word? 00:31:26 Speaker 2: Transitions. God damn. Y'all youngins laughing. It's going to be you soon. God damn. 00:31:32 Speaker 4: I was just going to say modified. Transmodified. 00:31:34 Speaker 1: No. 00:31:35 Speaker 2: It was a more simple word that I couldn't remember. But yes, it transitions into us seeing Carrie reading about telekinesis. In this episode, Chris also pretends to befriend Carrie and invites her to Sue's party. And while at the party, she gets wasted and gets a ride home from Sue's boyfriend, Tommy, where we kind of see her powers used again, but that didn't really go anywhere. But the other thing that happens in this episode is Chris starts uploading more mean pics about the other students to the Carrie Redd account. So what did y'all think about this episode? Were y'all cool with it? Was this making you be on board with watching the rest of it? Or were you starting to get bored? Anybody can take this. 00:32:17 Speaker 1: I was, um, I was okay with it. I'm think, you know, setups done. And now let's see how the rest of it develop. How do they further, uh, um, show Chris's decline or mentally to where she just becomes an outright bully. Um, you know, and how will this impact carry? So now we have probably like the middle part of the movie. Like, what are you going to add to it to expand it? Uh, expand the story. Um, And even the party thing is showing where she meets Billy. I did kind of like that part where the other girl, Tina, I think, was pushing up on him. But he was like, nah. And then she came through at the party. She was like, yeah, 100 likes. I thought it was funny. She said, I don't talk to anybody that don't get 100 likes on a post, which was fucked up. 00:33:07 Speaker 4: It shows that Chris was always a bitch. 00:33:10 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, yeah, you're right. Damn, that's a good point. Yeah, she didn't need. Her dad's financial situation to do that, she just always was that. That just took it to another level. Yeah, she was cruel. And Emmeline or whatever, her crazy ass being there. I thought they were going to do more to Carrie, though, at the party. And that's what I was surprised at. There wasn't any bullying to the party because I thought that's why Chris invited her there. 00:33:35 Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought something was going to happen at the party, too. But I did still like it. 00:33:39 Speaker 6: All of the stuff that has been introduced to this point, I'm interested in, to your point, Mike. So, yeah, I wanted to keep going. Like, I thought all of the stuff with the dad and the lawyer worked. I thought the, well, we didn't know she was imaginary, but the friend thing, I was wondering who that was. And then I really liked, what's the girl's name that was talking in the beginning, said you don't know? 00:33:58 Speaker 1: Sue. Sue. 00:34:00 Speaker 6: I liked her and, like, her trying to be nice to Carrie throughout, like, kind of like in the movie, too, and how she was struggling with that whole thing, too. Like, I thought her character was interesting. So, yeah, at this point, episode three, I'm like, okay, all right, I like it. 00:34:14 Speaker 1: All right. 00:34:15 Speaker 2: You on board, Cy? 00:34:16 Speaker 4: I definitely was, you know, watching it and definitely trying to get through it. I was not expecting nothing to happen at the party. I was like genuinely like, oh, so she just had a good time. okay, well, that was nice. Like, that was cool. I mean, it definitely built out the story more because you do see Chris and Billy meet and, you know, those things. And, of course, we see Emmaline again. And I did feel like at the party, that's when they were trying to show you that she wasn't actually there at that point. Like, instead of when, you know, they showed Carrie not talking to nobody, I feel like that was when they were just like, okay, this bitch not really there. Here go the hints. 00:34:54 Speaker 2: Like... I didn't pick up on it. 00:34:56 Speaker 5: I'm slow. 00:34:57 Speaker 4: When they look down and Billy and Chris are on the balcony and they look down and they see Carrie talking, they can't see Emmaline because, like, technically she would be. 00:35:09 Speaker 1: Covered up by the ledge. 00:35:10 Speaker 2: That's what I thought. 00:35:12 Speaker 4: Right, but she wasn't there because she was. 00:35:14 Speaker 2: Yeah, she was

astral projecting. I didn't pick up on it. I was like, okay, whatever. 00:35:18 Speaker 4: And then her in that corner and nobody, like, you know, trying to talk to her, get by her. It was just, I was like, she ain't there. 00:35:24 Speaker 1: I thought that she was just another weird kid that they didn't engage with. The only thing that I was confused about her, I was like, she look old as fuck, but they explained it. I was like, she ain't supposed to be in high school. 00:35:34 Speaker 2: When did they explain why she was old as fuck? 00:35:36 Speaker 5: She said it. 00:35:36 Speaker 1: She said, I'm a super senior. She said something about I'm an old ass senior or something like that. 00:35:40 Speaker 2: Oh, she did it in the bathroom. 00:35:41 Speaker 1: She did it in the bathroom. That's right. 00:35:42 Speaker 5: That's right. 00:35:42 Speaker 1: That's right. 00:35:44 Speaker 2: Um, yeah, this episode was cool. I was, um, I was on board. I was on board. I, at this point I was like, okay, I know what this show is going to be. It's going to be Degrassi. Fine. 00:35:53 Speaker 1: Fine. 00:35:54 Speaker 2: It's not going to be so much of a horror show. They're going to try to do more personalized carry, which that's fine with me. Um, episode four, in my opinion, not as many things happen, but we see, uh, it starts off with a woman, um, in China who also uses her powers, uh, She ain't too good at it because her ass floated up in the air and then just fell and I guess she died. I was like, bro, grand opening, grand closing. God damn. 00:36:16 Speaker 4: I rewound that. 00:36:17 Speaker 2: I was like, what the fuck? 00:36:19 Speaker 4: Wait, wait, what? 00:36:20 Speaker 2: Did she just kill herself? But I was like, was that an accident? 00:36:23 Speaker 4: Not on purpose, but like. 00:36:25 Speaker 1: And nobody tried to save her. 00:36:26 Speaker 2: What you going to do, catch her? They was watching her. 00:36:29 Speaker 1: How? They could have ran over like, hey, you know. 00:36:32 Speaker 2: Hey, come down. I got you. I got a net in my trunk. 00:36:35 Speaker 4: They didn't know though because she freaked out and just fell. They were like, oh shit. 00:36:39 Speaker 5: In a 12-day traffic jam? 00:36:41 Speaker 2: Bruh. 00:36:41 Speaker 1: Like, come on. 00:36:42 Speaker 2: I believe that's happened. 00:36:43 Speaker 1: It did. 00:36:43 Speaker 2: That was for real. Oh, really? Oh, that whole thing was for real? Yeah, that sounds about right for that area. 00:36:48 Speaker 5: That's crazy. Yeah. 00:36:49 Speaker 4: I would have got out and walked home. 00:36:51 Speaker 1: Man, listen. Straight up. Yeah. 00:36:53 Speaker 4: 12 hours. 12 days, excuse me. 00:36:56 Speaker 1: Yeah, 12 days. 00:36:56 Speaker 4: 12 hours is enough. 00:36:58 Speaker 1: Right. 00:36:58 Speaker 2: So also in this episode, Carrie gets closer to Sue. We also see the P.E. teacher, Rita, who was Miss... What the fuck was her name in the original? It wasn't Collins. Was it Collins? It was Collins, who was just smacking the shit out of people. She gets closer to Seth Peist, who is another teacher at the school. And we see Chris, who's having trouble at home, get closer with a local outcast and drug dealer named Billy. Anything about any of that before I move on to the next part? Anybody got anything to say about that stuff? 00:37:33 Speaker 5: I like what they did with Seth Peist, the whole storyline. 00:37:36 Speaker 4: Really? 00:37:38 Speaker 2: I kind of did, too. I didn't like that they picked the only teacher of color to make him a fucking pedo. Because we all know that's not realistic. In the real world, it's all you. Never mind, let me stop. 00:37:53 Speaker 3: But I liked it, too. I did think it was a nice little thing to throw in there. 00:37:57 Speaker 1: Oh, for sure. For sure. For sure. 00:38:00 Speaker 2: It still is. In high school, we just didn't look at it like it was a big deal or whatever. Yeah. Well, at least I guess God's probably did. 00:38:08 Speaker 1: I'm much older. True. 00:38:12 Speaker 2: They only had the Old Testament. 00:38:14 Speaker 4: Don't do that. 00:38:15 Speaker 2: I am 33. 00:38:16 Speaker 4: I don't know. You're a baby. 00:38:17 Speaker 2: I'm not, no. It changed. 00:38:18 Speaker 1: It changed. It changed. 00:38:19 Speaker 2: Your experience was a lot different from mine and I'm younger than them. 00:38:34 Speaker 1: Okay. 00:38:34 Speaker 2: Yeah, because we didn't even know what grooming was. 00:38:37 Speaker 5: When we were younger. 00:38:38 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:38:39 Speaker 2: That wasn't a word, I don't think. There was only like animals. 00:38:43 Speaker 1: Yeah, fourth grade now was a little bit different, but when you get to high school, you start to get closer to adulthood, so things start to change. But in fourth grade, there was a guy that was rumored that he would be messing with the girls, and we knew that shit was wrong. But in junior high to high school, especially in the 11th, 12th grade, It was a blurred line. Yeah. Yeah, it was blurred. It was fucked up. 00:39:06 Speaker 4: It was definitely rumors on the male side, but, like, as far as, like, the female side, like, the female teachers messing with, like, I don't know how true that might have been, but, I mean, for, like, we had some creepy-ass teachers. Like, I'm not finna play. Like, yes, we had some really creepy-ass teachers. 00:39:24 Speaker 1: The female teachers? Well, there was a lot of older teachers. We had the old teachers. 00:39:29 Speaker 2: We didn't have... have any. Not that I remember. We didn't have creepy female teachers, but we certainly had a couple creepy-ass male teachers for sure. And that could have been where I grew up, but that's a different discussion. 00:39:42 Speaker 1: But is this real quick? Is this when she got her car repoed? 00:39:47 Speaker 2: I believe that's the next episode. I believe. But I didn't really go into detail about that part. 00:39:52 Speaker 1: It doesn't

matter because I just thought it was funny because he cuts the ass out. 00:39:56 Speaker 2: He said, go fuck my son. 00:39:58 Speaker 1: He was like, look, let me call the bank or whatever. I was like, bro, that shit gone. That shit gone. 00:40:04 Speaker 5: Ain't no bank call. 00:40:06 Speaker 2: Not at nighttime anyway. 00:40:07 Speaker 4: Unless you paying for him to unhook that bitch. 00:40:10 Speaker 1: Right. 00:40:11 Speaker 2: Nah, dude was like, hey, bro, it's already on the truck. This shit mines now. But yeah, all that stuff was fine. But we move on to Chris and Billy. They're driving Carrie out to a construction site where her father died. This is when things get fucked up. Everybody discovers that Chris was just pretending to be Carrie's friend and that Chris was running the IG account. Carrie storms off. She uses her powers in the middle of the street and fucking Hot Topic Emmaline shows up. And then Carrie goes home and informs her mom of everything that's happened. 00:40:48 Speaker 6: Yeah. 00:40:48 Speaker 2: So did y'all have anything to say about this? 00:40:52 Speaker 1: This was when I was like, how did your fucking ass get there so goddamn fast? 00:40:58 Speaker 2: See, my stupid ass didn't even think about it. 00:40:59 Speaker 1: Yeah. But that was about it because she just popped up and turned around like, oh. And I think she even asked, she was like, where. 00:41:05 Speaker 4: The fuck you come from? 00:41:06 Speaker 2: I thought she was following her. 00:41:08 Speaker 1: I did suspect that, too, but I don't even think we even saw a car or anything. She was just like, oh, yeah. 00:41:12 Speaker 4: Maybe she just poofed. 00:41:14 Speaker 1: She just poofed. 00:41:14 Speaker 5: Damn, I didn't even think. 00:41:16 Speaker 2: She just popped the fuck up, bro. Out in the corner, she just poofed. Yeah, she really did. 00:41:19 Speaker 5: Yeah, she did just come out of nowhere. 00:41:22 Speaker 2: See, I was getting lesbionic vibes from them. 00:41:26 Speaker 5: I was, too. 00:41:26 Speaker 2: So I was like, maybe she has a crush on her. And I was like, oh, come on, Mike Flanagan. You're not seriously about to just turn these into magical lesbians. We don't need this. Leave lesbians alone. Like, we don't need this. Go ahead and just make the show like you wanted to make the show. But, yeah, I thought she was following her. 00:41:44 Speaker 1: Hey, when she said that, when they were in the library, she was like, it looked like somebody is upset about the abortion or something. 00:41:51 Speaker 2: That was funny. 00:41:52 Speaker 1: Bro, that shit. 00:41:53 Speaker 2: That was funny. 00:41:54 Speaker 1: That was very funny. 00:41:55 Speaker 2: I'm going to use that. Hey, that's a good one. 00:41:57 Speaker 1: That was very funny. 00:41:58 Speaker 4: I had already assumed that she wasn't real. And then Carrie was saying that she was seeing shit. And so, like, I... Like a father. 00:42:07 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:42:07 Speaker 5: Like a

father. 00:42:08 Speaker 1: Right. 00:42:09 Speaker 4: But in my head, I was like, her dad ain't said shit when he showed up. But this bitch could be a figment of her imagination, too. And then, like you said, she just kind of popped up out that corner. Like, did she bust the streetlight and then she show up? 00:42:23 Speaker 1: Yeah, she fucked up the whole street. Yeah. 00:42:24 Speaker 4: So, it was like. 00:42:25 Speaker 6: I knew it. 00:42:25 Speaker 2: She was like, I knew it, too, or something. Right. 00:42:27 Speaker 4: And, yeah, she come out. I knew, man, where you come from? 00:42:32 Speaker 2: Like... I thought she just lived down near somewhere. 00:42:34 Speaker 6: Yeah. 00:42:35 Speaker 2: I didn't really think about that. Yeah, that's what white people do. They just pop up. White people never announce themselves. 00:42:42 Speaker 5: It's just, where the fuck? 00:42:45 Speaker 1: Where did you come from? 00:42:46 Speaker 2: I was just here, buddy. 00:42:46 Speaker 1: Taking a stroll. 00:42:49 Speaker 4: I will say, I felt like Carrie should have went ahead and got in a dick, Chris asked him for taking her to the place where her dad died. 00:42:57 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was dirty. 00:42:58 Speaker 4: Did you get her high? Y'all don't explain what the fucking gummies are, which that was Carrie's mama's fault. You don't take shit from nobody, you don't know what the fuck it is. 00:43:07 Speaker 1: I think her mom, I think she knew better. 00:43:09 Speaker 4: Oh, she just liked it. 00:43:10 Speaker 1: She didn't know better. 00:43:11 Speaker 5: She was bucking her sister. 00:43:11 Speaker 2: She just thought it was candy. 00:43:14 Speaker 5: No, I mean, her mom probably told her. Well, she knows she's not supposed to be eating it. 00:43:17 Speaker 2: Well, her mom probably didn't tell her because her mom wasn't expecting her to be around other kids. 00:43:21 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:43:21 Speaker 2: You know? 00:43:22 Speaker 4: But her dad had brought her candy. 00:43:24 Speaker 5: And her dad used to bring it to her. 00:43:25 Speaker 6: Right. 00:43:25 Speaker 4: So she thought it was candy. 00:43:27 Speaker 2: So yes, I'm with you. Her mama should have told her, like, look, yo, daddy can bring you candy. 00:43:31 Speaker 1: She was too busy worrying about them damn boys. Yeah, that's true. She was stressed in that car. 00:43:38 Speaker 2: Little did she know, she had nothing to worry about. She should have been worried about this other girl. 00:43:45 Speaker 4: Man, because she had like four of them bitches. 00:43:49 Speaker 1: Yeah, she did. 00:43:51 Speaker 4: And they didn't say shit. Tina or Chris. 00:43:55 Speaker 5: Tina wasn't shit. 00:43:56 Speaker 2: Tina really wasn't shit. 00:43:57 Speaker 4: She had her redemption art. 00:43:59 Speaker 2: For about two and a half seconds. Hell nah. I did not realize that Tina was the little boy from, oh, what was his old ass show? 00:44:10 Speaker 5: Little Boy. Yes. 00:44:13 Speaker 2: I hate

to tell you, Spike, you got a hard on from a trans woman. It's okay. It's okay. I'm here to tell you that there's nothing wrong with that. She is still a woman. 00:44:21 Speaker 4: Tina, she unclockable. I didn't clock that at all. 00:44:25 Speaker 1: Unclockable. 00:44:27 Speaker 3: Yeah, she not. It was a popular show, but now I can't find it. I was just like, oh, I kind of knew I recognized her. And if you see her face when she was on this other show. 00:44:45 Speaker 2: Here it is. 00:44:46 Speaker 5: Oh, fuck. Y'all seen that Drewski skit, bro? I don't. 00:44:52 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I haven't. 00:44:53 Speaker 5: Man, bro. 00:44:54 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was funny. 00:44:56 Speaker 5: They do. 00:44:57 Speaker 1: Something's wrong with Drewski. 00:45:00 Speaker 4: He don't care. 00:45:02 Speaker 1: Someone going to see about Drewski at some point. And people were pulling up the references, and he was nailing that shit, bro. Because I didn't know what the fuck he was talking about. 00:45:10 Speaker 5: They had it side by side. 00:45:12 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, God damn. Oh, my God. 00:45:14 Speaker 4: Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. 00:45:16 Speaker 2: You recognize her now? 00:45:17 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:45:20 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:45:21 Speaker 2: She used to go by JJ. 00:45:25 Speaker 4: Didn't she used to sing and tap? 00:45:27 Speaker 2: Yeah, on Glee. 00:45:29 Speaker 4: Okay, okay, okay. 00:45:30 Speaker 2: That's what y'all trying to remember. 00:45:31 Speaker 4: All right. 00:45:31 Speaker 1: Yep. 00:45:33 Speaker 4: Wow, okay. I did not know that. 00:45:36 Speaker 2: Anyway, yeah, she wasn't shit. I forget who was just saying that. I think it was Spike. Yeah, she wasn't shit at all. Less than, she was negative shit. 00:45:43 Speaker 1: What'd you say? I'm just playing it. I was just playing, I said attacking the trans community. 00:45:48 Speaker 2: Oh, I thought you said just like the rest of the trans community. 00:45:50 Speaker 3: No. 00:45:50 Speaker 2: Bro, you about to get real. What? 00:45:53 Speaker 1: Bro? I wouldn't dare say that shit, bro. You better chill out. You better chill out. I wouldn't even say that and say cut it out. I wouldn't even give y'all a chance. 00:46:01 Speaker 2: I was like, bro. 00:46:02 Speaker 1: Pull that shit up from the hell, now. 00:46:04 Speaker 2: Let's not go too far with these jokes now. 00:46:07 Speaker 1: No, not me. 00:46:07 Speaker 2: We can make fun of our own, but. Anyway, episode five. Oh, did we already talk enough about what happened with this? 00:46:16 Speaker 4: How fucked up they were for taking that girl to the damn planet. 00:46:18 Speaker 2: Yeah, that should have been the beginning of them getting fucked up. 00:46:21 Speaker 4: Yeah, she should have gone ahead and hit Chris like she waited. 00:46:25 Speaker 2: She should have popped her right in her fucking nose. But episode five, physical education. This one, Carrie's mom, Margaret, tells the principal and anyone else that will listen that Chris is the one behind the Carrie Redd account. And after being tormented in the lunchroom, Carrie breaks Chris's nose. I'm going to pause right there just for a second. How much satisfaction did y'all get from that? 00:46:52 Speaker 6: I got satisfaction from the moment she walked. The mama walked out of the office. I thought it was so smart just to do the little whisper thing. 00:46:57 Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. 00:46:57 Speaker 2: That was so good. That was really good. 00:47:00 Speaker 4: That was like a good thing. 00:47:01 Speaker 2: Good. 00:47:03 Speaker 5: Oh, my God. 00:47:03 Speaker 1: That was so good. 00:47:05 Speaker 5: And then it led into, what was your question? 00:47:07 Speaker 2: When Carrie broke. 00:47:09 Speaker 5: Oh, yeah. When she broke her nose and did the whole thing. All of that was good, man. Like, that had me At this point, I was like, okay, where is this going to go to? So yeah, I liked it. 00:47:16 Speaker 2: Because what Chris said to her was fucked up. Fucked up. I would die too if I had to go home to your mama. 00:47:22 Speaker 1: What? You don't even know my mama. 00:47:26 Speaker 2: Right. 00:47:27 Speaker 4: Your mama not at home. Your mama is over there with Brooklyn Daddy. So who are we talking about? 00:47:36 Speaker 2: What are we really talking about? 00:47:39 Speaker 4: And I think Carrie knew that because they were talking about Brooklyn in front of Carrie, I think. 00:47:44 Speaker 1: I think. Yeah. 00:47:46 Speaker 4: So I think she knew that their situation was fucked up. 00:47:49 Speaker 1: She asked her about Brooklyn. 00:47:50 Speaker 2: She did? 00:47:51 Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. 00:47:51 Speaker 4: Okay. 00:47:52 Speaker 1: And then that's when Tina at the party, going back to the party, just a little bit when Tina kind of flipped that Brooklyn shit on her. It was like, yeah, how do you do it? 00:47:58 Speaker 4: She knew how to press her buttons. 00:48:00 Speaker 1: Yeah, she did. 00:48:00 Speaker 4: That's also another indication Chris had been a bitch forever because they knew how to press her buttons, get her riled up, and get her to do dumb shit. 00:48:08 Speaker 1: But yeah, this was good. I'm like, okay, now we're seeing Carrie kind of start to use her powers for evil, which is what I was looking to see. And what would you do if a kid that was bullied had powers? You know, and now she just, I didn't know she was going to go as far as to break the nose. But when she walked by, I was like, plug it up. I was like, ooh. Plug it up. I was like, hell yeah. 00:48:34 Speaker 4: That was a good moment. 00:48:35 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:48:36 Speaker 4: That was the satisfaction for me. It wasn't to break the nose. It was to plug it up. I was like, all right now. That's how you leave. 00:48:44 Speaker 2: I wanted to like Carrie doing that. I wanted to like Carrie doing that. But for me, since I've grown up with 1976 Carrie, it was just like, my Carrie wouldn't do that. you know what i'm saying it

was like my carrie is a perpetual victim so i was like i'm not sure how i feel about her bucking back i liked her breaking the nose because that was almost this thing of like i'm angry and i can't help it but her being clever enough to walk by and do plug it up i was like oh i'm not sure how i feel about that it was a good-ass line. I'm not sure that I needed that line to come from Carrie. If it came from the Hot Topic cashier, I would have been like, makes sense. But anyway, it wasn't a huge deal at all. It wasn't like a huge deal. So Margaret starts her own account, Margaret being Carrie's mom, where she reveals that Chris is behind the Carrie Redd account. 00:49:33 Speaker 5: Also, Sue sets Chris up. 00:49:39 Speaker 2: By recording her admitting that she's behind the account. But Chris, after breaking into Carrie's house and stealing some surveillance footage that came from her mother, Chris posts footage of Carrie seemingly talking to herself when Carrie thought she was talking to Emmeline. So this is when we get the reveal that Emmeline is imaginary. Now, apparently, Shy is the only one that was smart enough to figure this out. My mouth was open, y'all. I'm not even going to lie. They got me. 00:50:09 Speaker 1: Oh, shit. That ain't real. 00:50:11 Speaker 2: I did not think about it at fucking all. And the thing about it is, the funny thing is, that makes me extra stupid. is I kept thinking, she just talking shit and nobody says anything. 00:50:22 Speaker 3: Like when the girl in the library came by and she said that abortion shit, the girl didn't even look back. I'm like, how are you going to ignore that good-ass bar she just gave you? And then when she called Chris a bitch or whatever the fuck she said to her in the lunchroom, Chris didn't even acknowledge it. And I did think, why are they ignoring her? 00:50:40 Speaker 2: But I'm not going to sit here and try to pretend that there's any part of my dumb-ass brain that thought she was imaginary. 00:50:46 Speaker 1: Psych. 00:50:47 Speaker 2: They got me. 00:50:48 Speaker 4: I thought that bitch was a figment of her imagination. Especially when they were sitting at their damn table and she was basically yelling at them and she wouldn't pay her no attention. I was like, nah, that's not ignoring. That's not hearing. That shit, I don't know. I don't know. What it reminded me of was I know y'all are kind of Star Wars people. Not kind of. Y'all love Star Wars some. But When they did the Acolyte, I know y'all don't. Okay, well. 00:51:21 Speaker 2: Shut up, Spike. 00:51:23 Speaker 4: When they did the Acolyte, I thought the twins, I thought that shit was going on with the twins. I thought one of the twins wasn't real. So, like, I kind of went back to that. I was like, I don't think that bitch real. Just like that twin. That's where my head went. 00:51:35 Speaker 2: That might have been a better story. 00:51:39 Speaker 4: But that's where my head went. I was like, something ain't right. They not talking to that hoe. 00:51:43 Speaker 5: It was a good reveal. 00:51:44 Speaker 6: I think it worked really well. But then it added to the crazy Carrie thing. People were seeing you. Because she was talking to that girl everywhere. So now people have been walking, like, you've been doing this all the movie. 00:51:57 Speaker 5: So now it makes sense why everybody think you crazy. 00:51:59 Speaker 6: And I asked y'all that, too, why everybody treated her like she was slow in the movie. 00:52:03 Speaker 2: I thought I was being funny. 00:52:05 Speaker 5: Now I know. 00:52:06 Speaker 2: Now you feel justified. 00:52:07 Speaker 4: I feel justified. 00:52:07 Speaker 2: I was like, see, I knew it was something. I knew it was something. 00:52:11 Speaker 4: But I will say... I feel like Carrie's mom is just Chris in different font. All of the same shit that Chris had did. When she took her manager's cup to the shit water. and fucking with her table and coming in there fucking with her. It was mean girl shit. 00:52:32 Speaker 2: Making up that fucking rumor. 00:52:34 Speaker 4: Which is fucking crazy. 00:52:36 Speaker 1: She said rappers say it. 00:52:37 Speaker 2: Lots of white people say it. 00:52:38 Speaker 5: Rappers say it all the time. 00:52:39 Speaker 2: That was some diabolical white people shit. 00:52:42 Speaker 4: That's the kind of white people shit that catch me off guard. Because I'm just like, God damn, just nothing? Just, just, just, Yeah, man. You going to start a rumor? 00:52:50 Speaker 1: Oh, okay. 00:52:50 Speaker 4: And then she got in trouble for that shit. 00:52:52 Speaker 1: Yeah, she lost it. 00:52:52 Speaker 6: She called the tip line and told them that she called somebody a nigga. 00:52:55 Speaker 4: Like, what? 00:52:56 Speaker 1: God, man. 00:52:56 Speaker 5: That's cram-style bollocks. 00:52:58 Speaker 2: Wait, did she lose her job? I thought she just got deprimated. She got demoted. 00:53:01 Speaker 1: But she was asked. It seemed like she lost because she was like, is this like- Oh, yeah. 00:53:05 Speaker 5: Because she was like, you might as well fire me. 00:53:06 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:53:06 Speaker 5: Because they made her take a leave of absence. 00:53:08 Speaker 1: Yeah. And she was like, is this a real leave of absence? Oh, you're right. 00:53:12 Speaker 2: When they were on the phone. 00:53:13 Speaker 1: It wasn't definitive, but you know. Got it. That is true. 00:53:15 Speaker 5: Yeah, her mama was like that. 00:53:17 Speaker 4: Her mama was just as much of a bully. 00:53:19 Speaker 1: Straight, yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:53:20 Speaker 4: And not just to Carrie, even though Carrie acknowledges she was her bully. Like, she was. 00:53:24 Speaker 1: I don't know if her mama was like a bully. She was. 00:53:27 Speaker 2: You know why you don't see it that way? Because Christians have trained you to not see it as bullying. 00:53:32 Speaker 1: But she was defending her things that were happening to her daughter. 00:53:36 Speaker 2:

She was attacking the woman that was buying condoms. The condoms. That's why she got in trouble. 00:53:41 Speaker 3: That's the opinion made by a serial. 00:53:43 Speaker 2: Do you love your kid? Oh, that part too. 00:53:46 Speaker 1: Hey! Clearly you wouldn't be doing this. 00:53:48 Speaker 2: I was looking at. 00:53:50 Speaker 1: I can see. I was just looking more at her actions were in response to something that happened to Carrie. And I forgot about what she did to other people as well. Right. Yeah. But I do think that the... She. 00:54:03 Speaker 2: Bullied the principal. Yeah. He was kind of a punk. 00:54:06 Speaker 5: He deserved it. 00:54:07 Speaker 1: I do think the reveal was good. I kept thinking something was off from her, but did I know that It was a figment. No. Right. But so they did a really, really good job of that. But something was off about her this whole time. I just know what it was. She was just too fucking old to be at the damn school. 00:54:25 Speaker 2: I agree. 00:54:25 Speaker 1: And, you know, and everybody just kept ignoring her. But I thought, you know, you have people at school. They were just like, yeah, it's just such and such. Yeah, don't worry about it. You know, but yeah. But no, it was a good ass reveal. It really was. 00:54:38 Speaker 5: I was like, wait, time out. 00:54:40 Speaker 2: What? What? But yeah, that was a good way to end. If this was a week-to-week show, that was a good way to end the episode. It made me be like, oh, I can't wait for the next episode. 00:54:48 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:54:49 Speaker 2: But next week came immediately in episode six called Home Economics. Carrie discovers the cameras in the house. We also have Sue and Chris having a fallout where Chris posts pics of Sue buying a pregnancy test. And the Carrie Redd account was apparently right about Seth being a pedo. And having a relationship with Brooklyn, who is Chris's stepsister. And through all of this, we end up with Seth unaliving himself. 00:55:19 Speaker 1: So, question. In the beginning of one of these episodes, who was that that stabbed their eyes? 00:55:25 Speaker 2: That was just another one of those, this is a. 00:55:27 Speaker 1: I thought that was Brooklyn for whatever reason, bro. 00:55:30 Speaker 2: Because you're racist. 00:55:30 Speaker 1: This is my racist moment. 00:55:31 Speaker 2: So there's three of us here. 00:55:33 Speaker 1: So when the police went over to talk to the mom, that's what I thought she was responding to when she went and attacked Chris. 00:55:42 Speaker 2: You thought she just grew eyes back? 00:55:47 Speaker 1: I just completely forgot. I didn't see Brooklyn the rest of the show, bro. 00:55:49 Speaker 2: I thought Brooklyn was out of there. 00:55:52 Speaker 1: Was she in the rest of the series? 00:55:53 Speaker 2: Yes! 00:55:54 Speaker 1: Damn. Multiple times. Oops. 00:55:57 Speaker 2: She wasn't like a major part, but she was still in the show. 00:55:59 Speaker 1: Yeah, so when, because I remember Brooklyn was like, because she was having a freak out on the phone too, but that was her about the guy. Okay, yeah, so I missed that whole part of the story until they kind of said it later. Right. Because I thought that was Brooklyn poking her eyes out, but... The crazy part is they were just fucking with him and he ended up basically, no, she was going to snitch on him anyway. 00:56:27 Speaker 2: No, because she didn't actually know. 00:56:29 Speaker 1: No, Brooklyn was going to tell. 00:56:30 Speaker 5: I thought the stepsister liked him. 00:56:32 Speaker 2: She did. She wasn't going to tell. 00:56:34 Speaker 1: No, was she? 00:56:35 Speaker 4: Yeah, she said she was going to talk to her dad. 00:56:38 Speaker 1: That's why he did it. 00:56:40 Speaker 5: But she liked it at first, right? 00:56:42 Speaker 2: Oh, I must have missed that. 00:56:43 Speaker 4: Because the whole reason why he was at the bar was because she stood him up because her dad stepped in or she had to do something with her dad or something. 00:56:51 Speaker 1: Right. 00:56:51 Speaker 4: Because Rita talks. 00:56:52 Speaker 5: About it or something. Yeah, okay. He was arguing on the phone with her when. 00:56:56 Speaker 2: Rita came to the door. Yes, I remember that. But I thought they were arguing because it was like, how did you leak this information out for this to end up on the Carrie Redd site? 00:57:04 Speaker 1: She just guessed. You're right. She just guessed about him being a... You know, one of those. But then it turned out to be true. 00:57:13 Speaker 2: No, yeah, I got that part. I think I just missed or forgot that she was going to tell. 00:57:18 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think either the person she was sleeping with was kind of giving us the back story of filling in the gaps. That's when she said, yeah, he only did it because Brooklyn was about to go tell her dad. 00:57:31 Speaker 2: Okay. I guess I missed that somehow. I don't know how I missed that. 00:57:35 Speaker 4: It was when Rita was talking to the counselor. 00:57:38 Speaker 2: Oh, I do remember that. After she went and found the body and they were having a discussion. I do remember that. I just didn't put that shit in my notes. 00:57:45 Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's. God. So the fight she had, the guy had at the bar. So he must have seen that shit. 00:57:53 Speaker 2: No way. He just saw the account. 00:57:55 Speaker 4: He saw the account, but he also said, I have a sister that's a sophomore. So like, I feel like it was rumors. 00:58:00 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:58:01 Speaker 2: But I thought, I thought he just saw the account and was like, hold up. I don't fuck with you because this account says you're a pedo. And I have... You know how people always do that. It doesn't matter if you're a pedo that's fucking up other people's lives. But if it affects you or if you can personalize it somehow, then it's a problem. 00:58:20 Speaker 1: Or he saw the account and it confirmed suspicions that he had

because... Is that the same bar that he was going to meet her at? Yes. Or a different bar? 00:58:28 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I didn't get all that because they never met... Now... I mean, that opens up another question. Why are you such a bad pedo that you're meeting her at a fucking bar? 00:58:36 Speaker 1: Because remember, that's what she said. 00:58:39 Speaker 4: He said that she stood. 00:58:41 Speaker 1: When they were supposed to meet at that bar. 00:58:43 Speaker 5: Right. 00:58:43 Speaker 2: But that doesn't even make any sense. 00:58:44 Speaker 4: No, he said that they got stood up. But he didn't say when they were supposed to. 00:58:48 Speaker 1: Okay. Okay, okay, okay. 00:58:50 Speaker 4: But my other thing with that whole situation is, like, with him... He had already been doing it before. Like, that's why he left another school. So, like, maybe they had information. Because kids talk. 00:59:05 Speaker 1: True. 00:59:06 Speaker 4: And, like, when we had a principal who was. accused of sodomy and that shit he came from one school he came to art school and that shit went around the whole school he had to get on the announcements and talk about. 00:59:19 Speaker 1: It yes damn y'all just gonna talk about me You're not going to say something? Bro, I'm not getting on that announcement. 00:59:26 Speaker 2: You're the principal. You can't be booty belting. They're going to wonder what the fuck is going on. Nobody's still going to believe me anyway. 00:59:32 Speaker 4: Well, he admitted that he had did it in college. But not only was it like a conversation, a lot of the kids were asking like, what's sodomy? And we had put, you know, age of the internet. We pulled that shit up. Yes. Because he was, okay, he was running a gentleman's club. Okay, that sounds bad. A distinguished gentleman's club. Where he would have. 00:59:54 Speaker 2: I didn't distinguish. Don't make it any better. That didn't help. It was leadership. We had one of those in seventh and eighth grade, too. 01:00:01 Speaker 5: Remember I told y'all that you should make us dress up? 01:00:03 Speaker 4: Yes. 01:00:04 Speaker 1: Yes. 01:00:04 Speaker 4: Yeah. 01:00:05 Speaker 2: What else they make you do? 01:00:05 Speaker 1: Right. 01:00:06 Speaker 2: Y'all playing dress up at school. 01:00:08 Speaker 5: They used to make us wear dress clothes on Fridays. 01:00:11 Speaker 4: It was leadership for boys, young boys. 01:00:13 Speaker 2: Oh, that makes sense. 01:00:14 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like mentorship. But he was like on that shit. He would get on the announcements and read letters to a young brother. 01:00:22 Speaker 2: Oh, hell nah. Yes. 01:00:24 Speaker 4: And so when that shit came out and he had came from, I went to Latonya High School. If you know where that's at, Miller Grove is like five minutes up the road. 01:00:32 Speaker 1: Big Miller Grove? 01:00:33 Speaker 4: That's the church. Miller Grove High School is five minutes up the road from Latonya. 01:00:36 Speaker 3: Gotcha.

01:00:37 Speaker 5: Okay. 01:00:37 Speaker 4: He came from Miller Grove to La Thonia. You ain't go nowhere. 01:00:41 Speaker 1: What? 01:00:41 Speaker 4: You ain't go nowhere. 01:00:43 Speaker 2: You went down the road. Right. Sodomy will follow you down the road. And to be clear, when we say he was doing sodomy, I'm assuming this was like not consensual sodomy. 01:00:54 Speaker 4: He had charges for it. 01:00:55 Speaker 2: That's what I mean. Okay, cool. Wow. 01:00:59 Speaker 4: Now, I will say after that year, he was gone. I ain't going to say his name, but if you know, you know. But after that year, he was gone. But like he was literally on there reading letters to a young brother. Like we was in there like. 01:01:09 Speaker 2: Bro. 01:01:10 Speaker 1: What did he say when he addressed him? 01:01:11 Speaker 5: That he changed his life. 01:01:12 Speaker 2: Well, he's, yeah. He's still reading letters to young brothers though, Spike. 01:01:16 Speaker 3: You better find you an old brother. 01:01:17 Speaker 4: He said when he was in college that he had got into like some things that he's not proud of. And the charges that came from that were the charges that we had seen. 01:01:26 Speaker 1: He said that on the PA system? 01:01:27 Speaker 4: He said that on the PA system. 01:01:29 Speaker 2: But if you don't get your ass out of here. 01:01:30 Speaker 1: He was on the PA system reading. 01:01:32 Speaker 4: Letters to a young brother. 01:01:33 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, I'm not going to be like, hey, those rumors that y'all was talking about me doing this thing are true. But here's why. Bruh. Talk about me. 01:01:43 Speaker 4: I mean, he was pretty big in the community because he was a Kappa. 01:01:48 Speaker 2: You need to grow up, Ken. You need to grow up. 01:01:52 Speaker 4: He was a Kappa. He was in charge of stuff. He had district work. He was a principal. He was 12th grade administrator. I'm not lying. Like, he brought Justin Gatlin to the school and was like, here's Justin Gatlin. And I was like, he got in trouble for PEDs. That's a shame. The only time Justin Gatlin beat Usai was off PEDs. So, like, why is he here talking to us? 01:02:24 Speaker 2: Mm-mm. 01:02:25 Speaker 4: But yeah he definitely and that's why i i think i should have kind of peeped the self thing before because it's always those those teachers they feel like they not or that they want to help so bad and things like that but i didn't see the self shit coming i thought it was just. 01:02:40 Speaker 2: A rumor i didn't either i thought he was a good guy i. 01:02:43 Speaker 4: Think it's the actor like you just don't expect that from the actor so you like nah man they just when he. 01:02:48 Speaker 1: Showed up when she showed up to the house and he was like oh bother y'all didn't No. 01:02:52 Speaker 4: At that point, I was like, oh, shit. 01:02:54 Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, he's. 01:02:54 Speaker 2: Going to kill himself. I knew somebody was calling him. I knew he was going to kill himself, but I didn't think he was actually really doing it. I thought he was getting calls from his friends or something that were like, yo, what's this account? 01:03:06 Speaker 4: And I thought that's why he was going to take his life. 01:03:07 Speaker 2: Yes, me too. 01:03:08 Speaker 1: Me too. 01:03:09 Speaker 2: I did not think that he actually did it until the teacher said it. Rita said it. I was like, oh, wait, he really was? Not my boy. 01:03:20 Speaker 4: And apparently he had been doing this shit at other schools. 01:03:24 Speaker 1: Yes. 01:03:24 Speaker 2: But I kind of like that. I still don't like that they made it him. I like that they included this because this is something that happens. 01:03:31 Speaker 4: Yeah. 01:03:32 Speaker 5: You know. 01:03:32 Speaker 1: They don't do enough due diligence. Yeah. 01:03:34 Speaker 2: And they do just like the Catholic Church. They just move you around. Ooh. And just cover it up. 01:03:40 Speaker 4: The county I went to school in was good for that shit. 01:03:42 Speaker 2: Yeah, I bet. 01:03:43 Speaker 1: Yeah. 01:03:44 Speaker 2: So also back to this episode, the school has a mediation session with Chris and Carrie. This does not go well when Chris refuses to apologize and she ends up getting expelled. And this prompts a little mini riot outside of the school. But it also prompts Carrie to confront her mom because her mom was antagonizing Chris in the meeting. Fed up, Chris forces her mom into the prayer closet in the episode. Were y'all cool with this? Did you have anything to add to this? 01:04:10 Speaker 4: The way her mama flew across that room was funny as well. 01:04:12 Speaker 5: I understand what you mean. 01:04:16 Speaker 1: God damn. 01:04:17 Speaker 2: I know that hurt too. 01:04:18 Speaker 4: Right. 01:04:19 Speaker 2: She hit the fuck out that wall. That shit was funny. 01:04:23 Speaker 6: I like Carrie standing up for herself though. 01:04:26 Speaker 2: Yeah. 01:04:26 Speaker 4: I thought one of the cooler elements was Carrie using her powers. Even when she makes the car float, I thought it was dope. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Her powers, in the movie, I feel like her powers are so connected to the point of the movie, her period and menstrual cycles and things like that. But this was different. It felt more so like when X-Men learned how to use their powers. 01:04:50 Speaker 5: Yep. 01:04:51 Speaker 4: To your point. 01:04:52 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was cool seeing her, but I think at this point now I'm starting to, well, I'm like, where's the bullying? You know, like now she's like, oh, I got these powers, now I can fight back. But, you know, where is the point where we got to where she's broken? You know, so. And her fighting, like, her mom was an abuser. And now she's like, ah, shit, fuck it. I got the power to fight back against you. 01:05:26 Speaker 4: I feel like people who do that to their kids is, like, truly, truly abusing them. Not allowing your children to

understand. Like, even if you control it, but you give it to them in kid-friendly chunks, you got to let them know what's out there. You setting them up for. 01:05:44 Speaker 5: Yeah. 01:05:45 Speaker 4: Like nothing. 01:05:46 Speaker 5: Because you can't defend yourself. 01:05:47 Speaker 1: No. 01:05:47 Speaker 6: That was part of the thing that they did a really good job of. Like in the movie, I didn't get it. But here I did. I got it because she was so nice that people could just like easily manipulate her. And that just came from not being around people and getting that natural sense of bullshit. 01:06:07 Speaker 1: Yep. 01:06:07 Speaker 5: But she just was a good person. 01:06:09 Speaker 1: But she was like, yeah, you're right, mama. These motherfuckers are crazy. I need you to help me. Her mom helped her, you know. And now she's like, her mom was like, now she's just flaunting the power all in my face. 01:06:19 Speaker 2: Well, it's because Carrie, I think, just wanted peace. She just wanted all of these problems to go away. And I think in Carrie's naive mind, she thought that if her mom had not antagonized Chris, Chris would have apologized. She's not. She ain't right. 01:06:32 Speaker 4: I thought Chris was on the verge, like she was ready to. And then she pushed with the mom situation because her mom came over there. 01:06:38 Speaker 2: Yeah. 01:06:39 Speaker 4: So I try. 01:06:40 Speaker 1: To, like, bond with her. But I'm kind of with the mom. Don't come over here. Your daughter's been abusing and bullying my daughter, and here you're going to show me this fucking picture of your kid. 01:06:48 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't care what your little kid's got in her face. 01:06:51 Speaker 4: I'm just saying that shit. Like, I don't give a fuck. She was probably a shitty kid. 01:06:56 Speaker 1: Let me show you my picture of my kid. 01:06:58 Speaker 2: Right, what are we doing? Like, golly. She was a kid, too. That's why I'm. 01:07:02 Speaker 1: Glad the mom was like, yeah. And you flipped that shit on her. 01:07:06 Speaker 4: I definitely... Well, I will say is I think Chris's mom waited too long to get involved. Like, you not checking in. You apparently not coming home. You not talking to your kid. 01:07:20 Speaker 5: She just left her family. 01:07:22 Speaker 2: True. 01:07:22 Speaker 1: Yeah, but they also said that they gave us a little bit of explanation. 01:07:26 Speaker 5: Oh, that daddy wouldn't let her go, yeah. 01:07:28 Speaker 1: Yeah, she didn't want to go over there, too. The new dad was a punk, a pushover, because her dad was talking shit to her. Chris's dad was talking shit to him. He was like, shut the fuck up. And he would shut the fuck up. So, you know, and the mom was like, yeah, she gets it from her dad. Her dad's like that. Her dad was talking shit to the principal. 01:07:49 Speaker 2: Yeah, he was. 01:07:50 Speaker 4: He was bitching him. But you had no power. 01:07:53 Speaker 5: Your ass. 01:07:54 Speaker 2: Anyway, all right. 01:07:55 Speaker 4: I mean, it's definitely one of those things where it's kind of like, who the fuck you think you're talking to? Like, nobody said that because everybody else was trying to be professional. 01:08:04 Speaker 1: But once. 01:08:05 Speaker 4: I guess it's kind of like political climate. Like, once this motherfucker show you that they can't be professional, then there's no longer a reason to be professional. 01:08:13 Speaker 1: Yep. 01:08:13 Speaker 2: Let's both get in the mud then. 01:08:14 Speaker 1: Yeah. 01:08:15 Speaker 5: I agree. 01:08:17 Speaker 2: But that's not really what happened here. 01:08:18 Speaker 1: But yeah. 01:08:24 Speaker 2: So now we are on to. 01:08:27 Speaker 2: Episode seven. This is called Romantic Literature. And this one starts off with a girl who apparently astral projects while she's having some sort of sleep paralysis. Now, this part, I wish this was a whole show because I thought this was an actual interesting thing that was happening when she's having sleep paralysis and she's like, I can't wake up. But she's astral projecting. I thought that was a really, really dope idea. 01:08:49 Speaker 1: I thought that motherfucker was dead. That was cool. 01:08:51 Speaker 2: You thought who was dead? I did too at first. Until they found her in bed and she was asleep. I was like, oh, that's crazy. 01:08:57 Speaker 4: I had a weird thought. I thought that was Carrie's mom. I was like, maybe that's Carrie's mom. 01:09:02 Speaker 2: I did too at first. 01:09:03 Speaker 4: Yeah, I was like, maybe that's Carrie's mom and maybe they're showing us that she had some kind of... Yeah. At first, until like, I think... Okay, so this. 01:09:13 Speaker 2: She had the meeting with her before this. 01:09:15 Speaker 1: This was after. 01:09:17 Speaker 4: Right after, right? 01:09:18 Speaker 3: Yeah. 01:09:18 Speaker 2: After. 01:09:19 Speaker 4: Going to the. 01:09:21 Speaker 2: I think at the diner when... Was that this episode? 01:09:25 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was this episode. But I think the meeting happened after they showed us this part. 01:09:28 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. It was, yep. 01:09:32 Speaker 4: I guess my only question was at the end of that sequence, did the mom kill that child? No, she was holding her. I thought she was suffocating her. Because the kid's hands were kind of doing like this, like she wasn't hugging her mom back. So I thought that And then when it goes into the conversation of them at the diner and she was like, sometimes you got to take them out. I thought that's where we were leading to because I thought the mom had smothered the daughter when she realized she was astral projection. 01:10:00 Speaker 1: I thought the mom killed her kid. 01:10:02 Speaker 2: Okay, so then that kid was not. 01:10:04 Speaker 1: That's why I didn't think when you guys were discussing earlier, that's why I didn't think it was her. 01:10:08 Speaker 2: So Emmeline was then the daughter of the interviewing

lady. 01:10:13 Speaker 1: I think you're right. 01:10:14 Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe. Okay. 01:10:16 Speaker 2: Okay, so I wasn't tripping. 01:10:17 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the woman that we're talking about now that you're about to get into that met with Carrie's mom as a daughter. She killed her own daughter. Okay, so I wasn't tripping. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. That Emmaline is not her child. 01:10:28 Speaker 2: Emmaline is the child of the interviewing lady. The one that was the lady that was interviewing. 01:10:33 Speaker 4: Yes, at the end of the episode. Adeline? 01:10:35 Speaker 1: Yes. Yes. 01:10:36 Speaker 4: Okay, so then I had it wrong because I thought that the lady who showed up, I can't even, I don't know, she was in something because that face I cannot forget. 01:10:45 Speaker 2: She was in, her name is Katie Sackhoff. Katie Sackhoff. 01:10:49 Speaker 4: She was in Mandalorian. 01:10:53 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've seen her. 01:10:53 Speaker 2: Oh, wow. 01:10:54 Speaker 1: Damn. Yeah. 01:10:55 Speaker 2: Oh, they uglied her up. 01:10:56 Speaker 4: Yeah. 01:10:57 Speaker 2: They did a good job. 01:10:58 Speaker 4: Yeah. 01:10:59 Speaker 2: Not trying to be mean, but I'm saying they did a really good job by making her look bad. That was like, When they did Charlize Theron in Monster. They did a really, not Monster. What was the movie she was in? Monster. Monster. 01:11:08 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:11:09 Speaker 4: But that's kind of like what I was thinking. But I also thought, I wasn't sure did she strangle her or not. Like, I saw the girl's arms, but I wasn't sure. 01:11:18 Speaker 2: I think they did kill her. And I think that's why she said what she said when they met with her. 01:11:23 Speaker 1: It was dope, though. Because she was like, yeah, you know, they have these powers. And then she was talking about the cult, right? Yeah. Yeah. And then she was like, yeah, but sometimes, yeah, we got to kill these motherfuckers. 01:11:32 Speaker 2: She was like, hell no. Okay, so we don't make sense again. 01:11:36 Speaker 4: All right. 01:11:37 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. You are good. Yeah, I think we're done here. I'm going to holler at you later. 01:11:41 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a little too much. 01:11:42 Speaker 1: Right. 01:11:43 Speaker 4: And this is where I felt like the story kind of had ran its course, and we were just filling in things to make sure that season two was going to have somewhere to go. Like, we're building out a world, and I'm just like, this is not part of this movie. 01:11:56 Speaker 6: Yeah. 01:11:57 Speaker 4: But, yeah, so... It was interesting, but I was definitely not sure if she had, but yeah. 01:12:04 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that is what happened. That's how I originally took it. But yeah, so we talked about the meeting between Margaret and Amanda. We also noticed in this episode that Chris's dad is in jail for embezzlement. 01:12:16 Speaker 1: Yes. 01:12:16 Speaker 2: We also see Tommy asks Carrie to prom after a failed invitation from Tina, which was cringe as fuck. But the prom happens. Tommy kicks Carrie. I know, that was so sad. The votes are manipulated. Carrie and Tommy win prom king and queen. But while on stage, Chris and Billy, they have snuck into the prom and they dump pig's blood on Carrie. End of episode. Tina let him in. Tina did let him in, but I think Tina felt bad about it. 01:12:46 Speaker 1: That was her arc. 01:12:50 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a short-ass arc, though, because that ass died in the next episode. 01:12:53 Speaker 4: No, she didn't. Because Carrie told her she looked pretty, and then she was like, damn, okay, I'm... She don't. 01:12:59 Speaker 1: Say that because Carrie said she voted for her. She felt bad. 01:13:01 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. 01:13:02 Speaker 1: That was all. 01:13:03 Speaker 4: Once she realized that she was being mean to a person who wasn't mean, because a lot of the times, Tina acted out because of Chris being a bitch to her. 01:13:11 Speaker 2: She wanted to be cool like Chris. She wanted to have, you know. 01:13:15 Speaker 4: So once Carrie kind of showed her some, like, some... Oh, you look nice. She was like, oh, shit. 01:13:20 Speaker 2: What have I done? 01:13:21 Speaker 1: Right. 01:13:23 Speaker 5: Yeah. What y'all think about the bridge and the brick moment? was it like. 01:13:27 Speaker 1: The bridge and the brick moment i dare you i'm saving the lives by not dropping this brick yes nothing. 01:13:33 Speaker 4: I hated the dialogue but i felt like they were trying to show that chris was a fucking. 01:13:38 Speaker 5: Psycho yeah that's what i thought yeah. 01:13:40 Speaker 4: But i i hated the dialogue because i was just like you saving people lives by not dropping this brick but that sounds. 01:13:46 Speaker 2: Like some crazy motherfucker would say yes i'm saving your life by not taking it it's like But you were the only one putting it in danger. 01:13:55 Speaker 4: I do that shit every day, bro. 01:13:56 Speaker 1: Right. 01:13:57 Speaker 2: Like, what are we talking about? I save lives every day. Every day. 01:14:00 Speaker 4: Because I ain't driving to your stupid ass. Like, what? 01:14:03 Speaker 1: Yeah. 01:14:04 Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought that up, Spike. That actually was some pretty weird dialogue. But it fit. 01:14:09 Speaker 1: Yeah. 01:14:10 Speaker 2: It fit for Billy, who was too old to be fucking around with you. with high school students. 01:14:15 Speaker 4: How old was he? 01:14:16 Speaker 1: He was like 19 or 20. 01:14:17 Speaker 2: Well, they tried to fix it because in the movie it seems like it's way worse. 01:14:22 Speaker 3: Oh. 01:14:22 Speaker 2: Because it's John Travolta and old girl from Robocop. I can't think of her name. But they make it seem like the age gap is a lot bigger. So I think this was Mike Flanagan trying to fix it because they state that Chris is 18. 01:14:35 Speaker 6: They say it multiple times. 01:14:39 Speaker 2: And I think the boy is

like 20. So it's not that big of a deal. 01:14:42 Speaker 1: Oh, okay. But he didn't give a fuck about her. She was like, hey, where are you now? He was not replying to that. She was like, quick, ASAP. I mean, that's a good way to get a go at him. 01:14:51 Speaker 4: But she kind of knew how to control him, but at the same time. 01:14:55 Speaker 2: At the same time, she kind of didn't. That motherfucker was crazy. 01:14:57 Speaker 4: Okay, I got a question about the slaughterhouse. 01:15:01 Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. 01:15:02 Speaker 4: I ain't never killed no pig. 01:15:05 Speaker 2: That's good. 01:15:07 Speaker 4: Do you put the bucket under the neck and it fall like that? 01:15:12 Speaker 2: That's how they do it in certain slaughterhouses. They stick them in the neck and they bleed them out. 01:15:17 Speaker 4: Okay. 01:15:18 Speaker 2: I believe, and obviously if I'm wrong, please correct me, y'all, but I believe that's like the halal. 01:15:24 Speaker 5: Is it halal? Halal is the name of the word, but I don't know. I know it means clean. 01:15:29 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's the, yeah, because haram is the bad one. I think that's the halal way to do it. But again, I might be wrong, and I'm saying that right now, y'all, so don't shoot me too much. But I think that's one of the ways. But it's not the way they do it anymore because it's not really– What do you call it? It's not like... Humane. Yeah, it's not humane. 01:15:51 Speaker 1: Okay. You know, so. 01:15:52 Speaker 4: I mean, it made sense. I just, as a kid, I always wondered how they got the blood in the bucket because I just imagine you stabbing a goddamn pig and it should go in there. 01:16:00 Speaker 2: Nah, you pop them in his neck just like a human. 01:16:03 Speaker 5: It goes. 01:16:03 Speaker 2: Oh, okay. Because they're hanging them upside down. 01:16:06 Speaker 4: Oh, they touch the... Oh. 01:16:08 Speaker 2: Yeah, they hang them upside down and they pop them in the neck and they just. 01:16:11 Speaker 4: I would have never been able to do that. I don't want to touch my pig. 01:16:13 Speaker 2: You should never do that because it's mean. 01:16:15 Speaker 4: Well, I mean. 01:16:16 Speaker 2: mean to the poor little pigs they should not be killed like they shouldn't be killed period but definitely not like that but anyway yeah yeah yeah that's how it's done sometimes they use the sledgehammer knock them out and then they bleed them sometimes they use the bolt gun pig dead then they go ahead and. 01:16:32 Speaker 1: Yeah what I will say Mike is that at this point I feel like they're dragging. 01:16:38 Speaker 4: It out absolutely yes. 01:16:40 Speaker 1: And now they're playing catch up so now they're accelerating to the prom thing and And I'm like, wait a minute. Are they about to do the blood thing in this episode? And we dealing with the repercussions? So the pacing got a little weird for me here. Because I'm like, we're at episode six and seven. Like, we ain't even got, like, there's mentioning the prom. This is like, hey, y'all kind of need to wrap this up. We can do the end of the episode. So, yeah, I was like, all right, man. Enough of this fucking Chris shit. Like, let's, you know, like, fuck, she's terrible. 01:17:12 Speaker 3: Yes. 01:17:13 Speaker 2: Well, they heard you. And they went ahead and they tried to wrap it up in episode eight. Kicks off with the interview with Sue. And we see that Stella, Chris's neighbor, is there. And that's why I got confused about her being the other black girl. But, wait, that was Stella, right? 01:17:31 Speaker 4: Stella was there. 01:17:32 Speaker 2: And that was Carrie's neighbor, wasn't it? Yes. 01:17:35 Speaker 5: Okay. 01:17:36 Speaker 2: All right. 01:17:37 Speaker 4: The one with the hair down. The one that was part of the cult. Her hair was in a bun, but it had a bust down... part. But it was up. 01:17:45 Speaker 2: And I swore it was the same person. But we cut to the prom and we find that Carrie has let Emmeline take over her body and then she kills everybody at the prom, including accidentally killing Tommy. So what did y'all think of this part? 01:18:02 Speaker 1: I really, really, really wanted to see how they were going to do this. Because this is like one of my favorite parts in the movie. And I felt like at this point, she hasn't been bully enough to react harshly in the way that it was in the movie. And it was just like the blood. Now, them laughing makes sense because it's like it relates to the meme account. Yeah, I get the connection there. But there wasn't like the psychotic break that happened. She was in way too much control now of just like everything that's happening. In her life, she's controlled the mom at the house. Like, to the point where the mom's talking shit, she just put a finger in the air and that door slowly opened. She was like, what the fuck you gonna do and that door slowly opened that shit was funny to me but she is now kind of part bully too and so when this happened yeah it's tragic and it's bad but I didn't connect with it the way I did in the movie and that was kind of the issue that I had with this Interesting. 01:19:10 Speaker 5: The exact same. The exact same. 01:19:12 Speaker 6: Even though I didn't like the movie, and I liked this show a lot better, it still felt like. 01:19:19 Speaker 5: Pig's blood kind of seemed to be a lot. It didn't give the payoff like it should have for some reason. 01:19:29 Speaker 6: And it's kind of to what you two were saying in the sense of you can kind of tell that they're shooting for a season two. Like even possibility of maybe Carrie being the bully in season two. versus being bullied. So you could tell they holding back something, and that's kind of made this not pay off. 01:19:45 Speaker 4: I think what you just said made me think about something. She was, like, the pig's blood, I think, was a bigger deal maybe in the 70s and the 60s. Like, that could have been a way bigger deal. But to your

point, she has so much control over her powers that that shouldn't even fucking matter. Like, honestly, she probably should have Spidey-sensed that shit and been like, uh-uh. But at the same time, I realized that's why they kept bringing that damn bitch around, the astral projection bitch, so that she could do that shit. That's the reason why they added that hoe. 01:20:15 Speaker 2: Because Carrie didn't get it. 01:20:17 Speaker 4: Carrie was kind of stunned. She was just standing there. And then she was like, let me in. And Carrie was like, okay, come on. And she jumped in there. And then the shadow that it made when she jumped in her body, I thought was really, really cool. 01:20:30 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I did like that. But- But it wasn't Kerry doing the shit. No. It was fucking Imani or whatever her name is. 01:20:37 Speaker 2: Imani's the dude on Joe Budden. 01:20:38 Speaker 1: It wasn't Imani. Who was Imani on Joe Budden? The singing. 01:20:42 Speaker 2: The singing guy. The little light skinned guy that's always fighting people. 01:20:45 Speaker 4: The Puerto Rican? 01:20:46 Speaker 1: Yeah. 01:20:47 Speaker 2: Okay. 01:20:47 Speaker 1: Yeah. 01:20:47 Speaker 4: I shouldn't have said it like that. No, he's Puerto Rican. 01:20:51 Speaker 2: It's a fact. I don't think he'd be upset. You didn't say anything wrong. It was the. 01:20:55 Speaker 5: Yeah. 01:20:56 Speaker 1: Now he's got a cool singer. Do it. It's just like there was a lack of an emotional connection to her being gay. Like, bully throughout the whole season. 01:21:04 Speaker 6: So if they flip this for season two, would y'all be interested in, like, if she was a bully? 01:21:08 Speaker 1: No. No, I don't need her to be a bully. It's just, and I don't know what, I know we're going to talk about it, but I don't know if that would work for me, you know. Because I was waiting. I was like, man, I can't wait to see Carrie. Because, like, she has control over the problem. Carrie going to fuck some shit up. She did, but it was the other person that kind of did it. You know, and then the other people, that was the other thing. The other people walking in the crowd, like, I don't know. It's just like, you told us in episode one, like, yeah, but what about the other people? They ain't do shit. Them motherfuckers jumped on the fucking table to not get electrocuted. 01:21:45 Speaker 4: Well, they stopped. They stopped the lady from. 01:21:47 Speaker 1: Yeah, but. They didn't... Carrie killed all them motherfuckers. So don't say, what about the other people? Nobody ask about the other people. No. 01:21:54 Speaker 2: The other people didn't kill anybody. 01:21:55 Speaker 4: Emmaline killed them. 01:21:57 Speaker 1: Well, Emmaline, yeah. 01:21:57 Speaker 2: I know what you mean, but one of the girls actually did spread the fire. Oh, yeah. 01:22:02 Speaker 1: Oh, did I miss it? Maybe. 01:22:03 Speaker 2: She does something like this and it spreads the fire more. 01:22:07 Speaker 1: And... So she

did that on purpose? 01:22:08 Speaker 5: Yes. 01:22:09 Speaker 2: Okay. I don't know why exactly, though. I think that they... There was two women that were there. 01:22:15 Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. 01:22:16 Speaker 2: Both of them dark skinned and there was one that had like a thing on her face. 01:22:18 Speaker 3: Yeah. 01:22:19 Speaker 2: But she's actually a good actress. She's in another horror movie that I've seen that was actually really good. They are there to stop the other lady. 01:22:28 Speaker 4: From shooting them. 01:22:29 Speaker 1: From shooting. 01:22:29 Speaker 2: But she did end up shooting Carrie. 01:22:32 Speaker 4: She shot Carrie? I thought she just shot Emmaline. 01:22:35 Speaker 5: Well, Emmaline, well. 01:22:37 Speaker 4: She shoot Emmaline at the end because at the end of. 01:22:40 Speaker 2: Yeah, at the end she did. 01:22:41 Speaker 5: Yeah. 01:22:41 Speaker 1: Yeah. 01:22:42 Speaker 2: But I thought she actually like grazed Carrie or something. 01:22:45 Speaker 4: She does have a cut on her arm. She does have a cut on her arm. 01:22:47 Speaker 2: And I think that's what that's from because when Emmaline, wait a minute, am I wrong again? No, no. I'm pretty sure there's a gunshot in that scene. There is. 01:22:56 Speaker 1: So after when she's walking out. So I think there was a shot inside the gym. 01:23:01 Speaker 2: Yes. 01:23:01 Speaker 4: Yes. 01:23:01 Speaker 2: Yeah. 01:23:02 Speaker 1: But then there's another shot outside it. 01:23:04 Speaker 4: Yes, and that was Emmaline shot. 01:23:05 Speaker 2: Yes, that was Emmaline getting shot. But in the gym, I'm pretty certain that's Carrie getting shot because when she runs over with the gun, you hear the gunshot, and then Carrie spins around and she throws Rita into the fiery curtains, and then she throws the old lady into a table. 01:23:24 Speaker 1: Who is Rita? 01:23:25 Speaker 2: Rita is the teacher. 01:23:26 Speaker 1: That was fucking around with the PDF. Okay, she's there. 01:23:29 Speaker 5: Yes. 01:23:30 Speaker 1: Yeah, I do remember that. 01:23:30 Speaker 5: Okay. 01:23:32 Speaker 1: The old lady got thrown into a table. 01:23:34 Speaker 2: But I'm assuming she didn't die because she somehow shoots, uh, Emmeline later. 01:23:39 Speaker 1: And what, and shit. 01:23:41 Speaker 4: Are we sure that's who shot Emmeline? 01:23:42 Speaker 1: Yes. Cause we got to go back to the conversation we had earlier. Cause at this point, cause remember Emmeline was like, no, I'm real. I believed her when she said that. Yeah. Um, so I didn't think that even though they got me with that, I was like, no, I think that motherfucker is real. I think she's astral projecting. Um, But they wanted us to think that she was talking to an imaginary person. But I still felt like it was a real person. And then she confirmed it later. But remember what she said when she was walking down the street? She said, my mom shot me. 01:24:12 Speaker 4: Yeah. But Emmaline was already on the way because when

the house come down, she pull up. 01:24:18 Speaker 2: So that must have just been her mom must have shot her when she was young. 01:24:22 Speaker 4: No, Emmaline's mom was the one at the gym. She shot her. She had to be at the gym. 01:24:28 Speaker 1: We got to go back and make a correction. The astral projection person is seven. She didn't kill her daughter. Emmaline is her daughter, right? 01:24:36 Speaker 2: No. 01:24:36 Speaker 4: Maybe it's a separate story. 01:24:39 Speaker 1: Why would the lady that's doing the interview at the end shoot Emmaline? 01:24:42 Speaker 4: No, I don't think she did. 01:24:43 Speaker 2: Because she don't fuck with Emmaline. 01:24:45 Speaker 4: Well, I think that that's something different. 01:24:47 Speaker 1: No, but she would have been there, though. 01:24:49 Speaker 4: I think that's something different. I think it's three different factors. I think there's the hunters, which the lady who was trying to shoot Katie Sackhoff's character. And I think it's the people who are trying to get Carrie, which would be the other witches. And then the lady that was doing the interview. And then I think it's Emmeline who is like gone rogue. 01:25:12 Speaker 1: Y'all are right. She was right. 01:25:13 Speaker 2: We should have just listened to her the entire time. Emmeline's mom is Amanda. 01:25:18 Speaker 4: The one that was at the thing. 01:25:20 Speaker 2: Katie Sackhoff. 01:25:21 Speaker 1: You were right. That's what I was saying. We got to go back and remodify what we just had. 01:25:25 Speaker 2: We agree with you? Then we went back and was like, nope. I think Shai was wrong. Nope. Shai was right this entire time. 01:25:32 Speaker 5: And it was. 01:25:33 Speaker 1: Because I remember when she, because I missed all of this until we're talking about it. But I remember when she said, yeah, my mom shot me. I was like, what? Your mom? 01:25:40 Speaker 2: Who's your mom? 01:25:41 Speaker 1: Why'd your mom shoot you? 01:25:42 Speaker 2: So her mom must have shot her when she was younger. No, no, no. 01:25:45 Speaker 4: I think she shot her in the gym. Not in the gym, but at the gym. She projected herself into the gym. And I think her mom realized that. And after everything went on, she shot her outside the gym. Because she was too close to Carrie's house when all the shit went down. And she said, I'm sorry it took me so long. I was driving. 01:26:03 Speaker 1: Because I was driving to get there. So she had finally got there. But she was there physically, finally. 01:26:08 Speaker 4: But she projected into the gym to get into Carrie's body. 01:26:11 Speaker 1: But throughout the rest of the episode, she was projecting herself there while she was driving to get to the city. 01:26:17 Speaker 2: I got that part. 01:26:18 Speaker 3: What I'm not getting is if she wasn't physically in the gym when Carrie was there and Amanda ran up with the gun, how did she shoot Emmaline if Emmaline wasn't there yet? 01:26:28 Speaker 1: So now we

just got to add some shit. So I think that she found Emmaline's physical presence there. And found her projecting and then shot her. 01:26:39 Speaker 4: I think she knew her daughter's projection. 01:26:41 Speaker 1: She probably just wasn't in the gym. She probably was just around in there. 01:26:43 Speaker 2: She was in the gym. 01:26:44 Speaker 4: No, the lady who? 01:26:46 Speaker 2: The mom. 01:26:47 Speaker 4: The mom was. But I think Emmaline was outside the gym projecting herself. 01:26:51 Speaker 2: Into the gym. She couldn't have shot her then. 01:26:54 Speaker 4: She left. Amanda made it out the gym with the other cultists. 01:26:57 Speaker 1: Yeah. 01:26:57 Speaker 2: So then, okay. So then she shot her in the moment. Because like, okay. When Carrie is walking in the gym, Amanda runs up and we hear a gunshot. When we hear that gunshot. 01:27:12 Speaker 4: One of the girls moves her arm with their powers. 01:27:15 Speaker 2: And then Carrie spins around, throws Rita and then throws Amanda. In that moment, Amanda got a shot off. Yep. 01:27:23 Speaker 1: But that wasn't a shot that shot Emmeline. 01:27:25 Speaker 2: I got that part. 01:27:26 Speaker 1: All right. 01:27:27 Speaker 2: So then you're saying after that. 01:27:30 Speaker 1: While she's walking down the street, all the payments is cracking. They're dancing. 01:27:34 Speaker 2: Yes. Now I'm with you. 01:27:35 Speaker 3: I thought you were saying she shot Emmeline during the. 01:27:39 Speaker 2: Scene at the gym. That's why I was confused. 01:27:41 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:27:42 Speaker 2: You're saying she shot her later. 01:27:43 Speaker 1: Yes. 01:27:44 Speaker 2: Now I follow. 01:27:44 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:27:46 Speaker 2: Now I'm with you. 01:27:46 Speaker 5: Okay. 01:27:47 Speaker 1: It's really fucking confusing because I'm, yeah. It's not. 01:27:50 Speaker 2: I was just misunderstanding what you were saying. 01:27:52 Speaker 1: Okay. 01:27:52 Speaker 2: I'm good now. Okay. 01:27:54 Speaker 4: Okay, so I guess my next question about all of this is, When everything goes down and Emmaline shows up to the house and everything, what? Okay, first of all, I have an observation. She was training her so that she could use her powers. I didn't get that. I thought she was just trying to get her to use her powers to learn how to use them. She was like, nah, when she get control of that shit, I'm going to jump in her body. 01:28:20 Speaker 2: I didn't think she was doing that. I thought she was just trying to get Carrie on her side. Because at some point they were going to team up. So I never thought about her jumping into her body. But I definitely thought she was training her. 01:28:32 Speaker 4: I mean, but when she did train her and she was able to use her powers, she was able to, like, use her powers. So, I think she was manipulated. 01:28:44 Speaker 2: Oh, of course. 01:28:45 Speaker 4: Okay, so season two. 01:28:46 Speaker 2: Season two is going to probably dive more into that. 01:28:48 Speaker 4: Okay. 01:28:49 Speaker 5: So, what's the other entity y'all saying? These are just witches or is this a name for it? Like, what's the movie? 01:28:53 Speaker 2: So, we're going to get into that. 01:28:54 Speaker 5: Gotcha, okay. 01:28:55 Speaker 1: So. 01:28:56 Speaker 2: But we skipped over. Billy and Chris try to run Carrie over, but Carrie flips the car. Well, Emmaline, whatever, how you want to do it. Flips the car and kills them. Did y'all like this? 01:29:04 Speaker 4: Quick, did y'all... I feel like Carrie killed them. Not Emmaline. I think Carrie killed them. 01:29:09 Speaker 2: I don't think so. I don't think so because when the killing was done and it goes back to Carrie, Carrie looks mortified. Yeah. Or you think she's mortified because she's like, I just did that? 01:29:21 Speaker 4: To everybody else, but I think she killed Chris and Billy. I think Carrie... killed Chris and Billy. I think Emmaline did the rest of that shit. But in that moment, that was Carrie. 01:29:32 Speaker 1: Carrie did it. But I think Carrie definitely killed Chris. Yeah. Because remember, Emmaline was right there. She was like, do it. Do it or something. She was talking to her. 01:29:40 Speaker 4: And then Chris tried to get out that weak ass. I'm sorry. That would have pissed me off too though. 01:29:47 Speaker 1: Bitch, all this shit. 01:29:48 Speaker 4: Now you want to say I'm sorry? Fuck you. 01:29:49 Speaker 2: To I could take that. 01:29:51 Speaker 1: Yeah, Carrie. I could take that. 01:29:52 Speaker 2: So at that point, she had exited her body. 01:29:54 Speaker 1: And then at that point, she was like, oh, my God, what the fuck did I do? Because I'm not this horrible person. 01:29:58 Speaker 2: I could accept that. 01:30:00 Speaker 1: Yeah. 01:30:00 Speaker 2: I just didn't think about it in the moment because they didn't make it clear that Emmaline exited her body. 01:30:05 Speaker 1: Yeah, because I think at this point, she had already been shot. Right. Yeah. Right. 01:30:10 Speaker 4: Okay. 01:30:11 Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, no. 01:30:12 Speaker 2: That was next scene. 01:30:13 Speaker 1: Okay, all right. 01:30:14 Speaker 2: She hasn't been shot yet. 01:30:15 Speaker 1: Oh, you're right. You're right. You're right. Yeah, my bad. 01:30:17 Speaker 4: But she is standing behind her, like you said. 01:30:19 Speaker 1: She is. 01:30:20 Speaker 4: She is standing behind her. 01:30:21 Speaker 2: So that might be a little bit of bad direction because they didn't make it clear that she had exited and she wasn't controlling her anymore. But I didn't... I forgot. I didn't give my thoughts on the whole Emmaline part earlier with the killing. I didn't like that. I did not like Emmaline doing the killing because now... It's like you are trying too hard to make Carrie a sympathetic character. We can sympathize with Carrie just like we did with the movie. We can sympathize with Carrie and still identify that she

did some fucked up shit. But now it's like you're trying to remove that and you're going to be like, well, Carrie actually hasn't done anything bad. Except, according to y'all, except Chris and Billy. She didn't kill all her friends. Well, yeah, and her mom, sort of, but I didn't like that either. We'll get to that. But yeah, so I didn't really love that. But I did like this part of seeing Chris and Billy get killed. 01:31:14 Speaker 1: And then the guts and stuff they show. 01:31:16 Speaker 2: That was tight. That was tight. That was tight. 01:31:19 Speaker 5: That was tight. 01:31:20 Speaker 2: So while dancing in the streets with Emmeline, Carrie burns the town down. She gets home and her mom tries to kill her, which prompts her to bring the entire house down. We see her mom using her own powers to stop the house from crushing her. before we see Carrie end up leaving with Emmaline. But back in the interview, we find that Emmaline is the daughter. Well, no, that's wrong. We don't find out that Emmaline is the daughter of the interviewer. 01:31:46 Speaker 4: Not Adeline. It's because their names are close. I was thinking that too. 01:31:50 Speaker 3: No, I thought until you, I thought the interviewer said that that's my daughter. 01:31:57 Speaker 2: I don't know where I heard that. I just made that up. 01:32:00 Speaker 1: No, you heard that. I think it was one of the other girls that were in there. It just wasn't Emmaline. One of the other three girls. 01:32:07 Speaker 2: Okay, so the interviewer is talking about somebody else being her daughter? I think so. Okay, so I must have gotten that. I'm going to go back and watch after this. 01:32:14 Speaker 1: I do. 01:32:15 Speaker 2: Obviously, you're correct. I just want to go back and figure out where I got this shit wrong. And we see Carrie and Emmaline driving off into the sunset. Yeah. And that is the end of this show. 01:32:27 Speaker 1: Now, having her heart stop slower and slower, that shit was crazy. 01:32:32 Speaker 2: I didn't like any of that. 01:32:34 Speaker 1: I didn't think she was going to kill her, but why didn't you like it? 01:32:36 Speaker 2: Because I think that Carrie killing her mother was such a pivotal moment in the movie. And Carrie killing all of the kids was a pivotal moment in the movie. I don't like that Mike Flanagan, I can't even blame it on him, Whoever wrote this part of the story, I don't like that they removed that. Because it's like, we can still have her kill people and be like, okay, we still fuck with her. That's the brilliance of modern filmmaking now. Maybe in the 80s we couldn't really do that. We can do that now. We love to watch villains. We watch Joker. We love to watch villains fucking people up and we still have sympathy for them. I don't know why they changed all that. What you got? 01:33:20 Speaker 4: I think that's when AI took over. 01:33:24 Speaker 2: You think they used AI for this? 01:33:28 Speaker 4: Amazon uses AI. That's the whole thing with

the spotting the war thing. Why Nicolas Cage said. 01:33:32 Speaker 2: He was coming back? 01:33:33 Speaker 4: Yeah, but I didn't... They use AI on all of it. It's not everything. It might be maybe AI writes the script here or maybe AI does the set design here. 01:33:42 Speaker 2: I don't think Mike Flanagan would let them do that. Okay. 01:33:45 Speaker 4: I mean, you definitely have a better. 01:33:47 Speaker 2: I'm not positive. 01:33:48 Speaker 4: Well, you have a better understanding of the director than I do. But that's what I assumed. 01:33:55 Speaker 2: That could be. I didn't know that. Yeah. 01:33:57 Speaker 1: Yeah. 01:34:00 Speaker 2: It don't ever come all the way together. 01:34:01 Speaker 1: It just felt like, I just think they just wanted to get another season. 01:34:05 Speaker 2: That's what I think it was. I think Mike Flanagan got to the end and was just like, oh, no, we're not going to end this. I want three seasons out of this bitch, so I'm going to write some bullshit. 01:34:13 Speaker 1: And that's the issue that I have with it, because, like, and I need to, who is this other group? 01:34:19 Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sorry, yeah. So in the interview, the interviewer says some other people have a bit of the shine. 01:34:26 Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. 01:34:28 Speaker 2: That's from The Shining. Remember when we reviewed The Shining? 01:34:30 Speaker 4: Oh, what? 01:34:31 Speaker 1: For real? 01:34:32 Speaker 2: Yes. So this has always been something with Stephen King. 01:34:34 Speaker 1: Yeah. 01:34:35 Speaker 2: All of his stories are connected. 01:34:37 Speaker 1: Yeah. 01:34:37 Speaker 2: So Carrie was the first book he published. Carrie is technically the first person to have The Shining in his books. Not the first person to have it, but the first person that we see show it. So those other people, if you watch Dr. Sleep, it makes a lot more sense. And you should watch Dr. Sleep, too, if you like The Shining. it makes a lot more sense. There's all these other people that have the shine. Just like we, did you see Derry? Welcome to Derry? 01:35:02 Speaker 4: I didn't watch Welcome to Derry, but I heard a lot about it. I don't do, I don't do horror. 01:35:06 Speaker 2: No, you said that before, but, but, no, I was going to say Derry's not that scary, but it might be. 01:35:12 Speaker 4: It's the, it's the clown shit. I don't, I can't do the clown shit. 01:35:15 Speaker 2: Okay. No, I'm telling you, a lot of motherfuckers don't like clowns. It's killer clowns a few years ago. 01:35:21 Speaker 4: Like, no, I can't do that shit. 01:35:22 Speaker 1: That, That's the only issue I have. It should have been one and done, bro. 01:35:26 Speaker 2: It should have been one and done. I'm with you 100%. But I do like exploring the idea of the shine and bringing all that together. 01:35:32 Speaker 4: Isn't like all Stephen King stuff like in Maine or something? Or like they're all set in Maine? 01:35:37 Speaker 2: Something like that. He calls it like the macroverse or something like that. But all of his books are all, like they're all in the same universe. 01:35:45 Speaker 4: I have a question that doesn't necessarily pertain to this. The Cujo thing, like where was it and how does it tie in? Like, because wasn't that just a mad dog with rabies? 01:35:55 Speaker 1: Shit, I don't know. 01:35:56 Speaker 2: That motherfucker might have the shine, too. 01:35:57 Speaker 4: That was my next question. 01:35:59 Speaker 2: I was like, did Kujo have the shine? Maybe he did. I don't know. Shit, I'm about to go back and rewatch that bitch. 01:36:05 Speaker 1: I don't know. That shit scared the shit out of me. 01:36:07 Speaker 4: As a kid, like, legit. 01:36:09 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Okay, so now I understand. Because it frustrated me because I'm like, you introduced these guys. You said they're supposed to be involved. We don't see them again outside of Emmalon. 01:36:21 Speaker 3: Yeah. 01:36:23 Speaker 1: Doing anything until the end. You know, so I was really frustrated by that and now they're riding off into the sunset with her having killed her mom, not killed her mom. She definitely didn't. 01:36:34 Speaker 2: She definitely didn't kill her mom. 01:36:35 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, yeah. Yeah, I think she knows that. So, yeah, it's just like, and now it's just like, what if you don't get a second season? So I was really bothered by that because, you know, when I was towards the end and it was on, I was like, you know, it's just like, just really kind of what the movie's about and what this is about now is just like, you're bullying some kids in school and what if a kid that's bullied have powers and then instead of powers they have a fucking gun well that's what the original so yeah so that's that's kind of what this whole thing is about you're looking at it and now you're introducing all these other people this sci-fi element now it's just like. 01:37:13 Speaker 2: Bro what it's like what's the point. 01:37:14 Speaker 1: And then of course now introducing the part where well yeah she didn't really do it like It was somebody else that did it. 01:37:22 Speaker 2: I didn't like any of that. We didn't need that. What you got? 01:37:29 Speaker 8: I looked up the Cujo thing. It says it's the ghost of Frank Dodd. So he did a movie called Dead Zone. So the book explicitly suggests that the spirit of the deceased serial killer Frank Dodd from the Dead Zone enters Cujo. 01:37:44 Speaker 1: Get the fuck out of here. 01:37:45 Speaker 2: So I guess the. 01:37:50 Speaker 2: Uh-oh, Jalen just said check Spike's mic. I hope that hasn't been an issue this whole time. 01:37:53 Speaker 3: Uh-oh. 01:37:56 Speaker 2: That would be very irritating. 01:37:59 Speaker 1: No, he verified it earlier, so it probably just went out. Do a check. 01:38:03 Speaker 5: Mic check, mic check, mic check. 01:38:06 Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't look at anything. But anyway, hopefully his mic is on. Well, we're wrapping up anyway. I guess,

I mean, I don't know. I guess for the movie, they made the dog have rabies because they couldn't. Back then, there was no multiverse type of shit. 01:38:19 Speaker 4: Chucky. 01:38:20 Speaker 1: Yeah. 01:38:21 Speaker 4: They explained the soul thing, so they could have did that. 01:38:23 Speaker 2: But I think what I mean is they didn't want to explicitly say, hey, these movies are connected. You have to go back. 01:38:30 Speaker 1: And watch. 01:38:30 Speaker 2: Because back then, that wasn't much of a thing. It's like, this is a horror movie, one and done. It's not a, oh, you had to go see this other horror movie in order to understand this one. 01:38:40 Speaker 4: I also think that that wouldn't have worked for him. I mean, I'm sure it worked in the books, but with the movies, it wouldn't have worked. Because people were just looking for horror movies. They were looking for Jason and that kind of thing. 01:38:49 Speaker 2: We don't want some possessed dog. We want a dog that has, right. Cause that's more realistic. That makes it scarier. 01:38:53 Speaker 4: Very realistic. Cause a dog can get bit by a bat anytime. And yeah. 01:38:58 Speaker 1: Easy. 01:38:59 Speaker 2: Now I would accept that the bat was a damn serial killer possessed or whatever, but leave Cujo, just Cujo. But yeah. So are y'all here for a season two for this show? 01:39:10 Speaker 6: No, I feel like y'all, man, they should have met. They should have at least wrote this to be one and done. If it did get picked up, then go back to the drawing board and figure out what you're going to do when you get there. But it shouldn't have been approached like, oh, we're going to do another season. I don't like how that ties up. They should have done it nicely with a bow. 01:39:27 Speaker 5: Okay. 01:39:28 Speaker 1: I'm in agreement. I would have preferred a more complete story and then we can expand on that later. But it feels too open-ended for me. 01:39:38 Speaker 2: What about you? 01:39:40 Speaker 4: Honestly, while I said the show was a solid, I am looking forward to what it can become. Like I said, I don't do horror, but I love continuity. So I feel like I got a whole lot of looking up to do and finding out to do to see what we're going to do. But of course, season two has to be nothing about Carrie other than the fact that her name is in it. So yeah, it's definitely could have been a one and done. But then I guess the other part of it is they've done so many Carrie renditions that it's just like, why? If it's not going to lead into anything. 01:40:16 Speaker 5: True. 01:40:17 Speaker 4: I mean, it's like four different. 01:40:21 Speaker 2: Something like that. Yeah, there was the 76. There was one in 2003 or something. 01:40:26 Speaker 4: That's the first one I saw. 01:40:27 Speaker 2: Then there was another one with Chloe Moretz, whatever the fuck. 01:40:32 Speaker 4: And what's that lady? The big actress lady with the red hair. She played the mom. And the Chloe one? 01:40:39 Speaker 2: I don't remember, but the Chloe one wasn't bad. But yeah, so this would be the fourth retelling of the story. So I think Mike Flanagan didn't have an option but to change some stuff up. Because otherwise, why do we need another version of Carrie? But all that said, I did not like the ending. I will still watch a season two because I still mess with Mike Flanagan. But I did not like how this ended. I don't like Emmaline. There's nothing against the actress. She was fine for what she was. I just, I don't like her. 01:41:10 Speaker 4: You changed a lot of the story with her. 01:41:12 Speaker 2: Yes. And it removes so much agency from Carrie. I don't like that. So the show could have been called Carrie and Emmaline. You know what I'm saying? Because that's really what this was. 01:41:23 Speaker 4: Carrie and friends. 01:41:24 Speaker 2: Carrie and friends. You know? But yeah, I will be here for, I'll be here for season two. I still like Mike Flanagan. This is not going to be in my best of the year list or no shit like that, but I like how they're connecting it to The Shining. I think that that's dope, so I will watch. But yeah, this was just okay to me. But yeah, that's going to do it for this review. Thank you again, Shy, for coming through. No problem. Obviously, her links and such will be in the description, so make sure you check that. Go support her. 01:41:57 Speaker 4: Oh, thank you. 01:41:59 Speaker 2: And yeah, we will definitely be having her again. if she wants to come, obviously. But, um, but yeah, any final words, fellas and lady? 01:42:11 Speaker 1: All right. 01:42:11 Speaker 6: Yeah. 01:42:13 Speaker 2: I like hearts and minds are clear. 01:42:14 Speaker 4: As y'all say, I like parts, but you know, we'll see what they do. 01:42:21 Speaker 1: Yeah. 01:42:21 Speaker 2: That's kind of where I'm at too. We'll see what they do. 01:42:24 Speaker 4: But yeah, I did think it was dope that they let it into the shining though. 01:42:27 Speaker 2: I thought that was really, that was the most exciting thing about this episode. I was like, this episode was ass, but that's cool. 01:42:32 Speaker 4: Yeah, and her not killing her mom. 01:42:36 Speaker 5: Trash. 01:42:36 Speaker 4: Yeah. Because then you change the source material. 01:42:40 Speaker 2: And I don't see why. It did not benefit anything for the show to have this fucking interviewer killing her. She could have killed Sue. 01:42:47 Speaker 4: Yeah. 01:42:48 Speaker 2: And it would have been just as like, oh, no. 01:42:50 Speaker 4: She killed Sue. She changed somebody's memory, though, right? Like, was it Tina? Like, she was like, what do you remember happening? And Tina's like, no, that was Sue. Where they have, like, Sue looking around. 01:43:02 Speaker 5: She did. 01:43:02 Speaker 4: Yeah. So I will definitely say, oh, question, the Welcome to Derry show, did it tie into anything else? 01:43:11 Speaker 2: It made references to other Stephen King properties, a bunch, like It and other stuff. It was actually really dope. 01:43:18 Speaker 4: So Welcome to Derry is not It? 01:43:20 Speaker 2: It is. It's the beginning of. 01:43:22 Speaker 1: How it started. 01:43:22 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like the beginning of It. 01:43:24 Speaker 4: Okay. 01:43:25 Speaker 6: I don't like scary stuff either, and I liked it. It's really good. They torture me with horror movies. 01:43:29 Speaker 5: All the time. 01:43:32 Speaker 6: I'm not a horror fan at all, and I definitely enjoy it. 01:43:35 Speaker 4: Okay. So I'll definitely look at it then, because all I kept hearing was it was scary as fuck. So I was just like, I'm good. 01:43:42 Speaker 2: It's only scary to people that have never seen a horror movie in their life. It's really not that scary. Okay. 01:43:46 Speaker 5: It'd be scary to kids. 01:43:48 Speaker 1: Right, yeah. 01:43:48 Speaker 4: Would a clown be dancing and shit? 01:43:50 Speaker 5: No. 01:43:50 Speaker 4: Because if that's the case, okay. 01:43:51 Speaker 1: It ain't anything. 01:43:52 Speaker 4: That clown was dancing in one of the movies. 01:43:54 Speaker 2: The clown is barely in it from what I remember. Okay, cool. So, I think you're safe. 01:43:59 Speaker 4: It's something about that realistic shit. Like, I don't do the cat in the head either because that shit is too realistic for me. If a six-foot cat walked in this motherfucker and was talking, you'd. 01:44:09 Speaker 2: Be like, what the fuck? I'd be like, oh, that's tight. 01:44:11 Speaker 4: No. 01:44:12 Speaker 2: Hell no. 01:44:14 Speaker 4: Maybe it's because I'm not a cat person either. 01:44:17 Speaker 5: A six-foot cat would definitely kill you. 01:44:19 Speaker 2: Bro, six foot cat. 01:44:21 Speaker 3: We not about to sit here and talk about no six foot cat. Everybody, thank you for tuning in. 01:44:24 Speaker 2: Thank you for listening to Frames Per Second and we will see y'all next time. Peace. 01:44:28 Speaker 4: Peace.