Full Transcript for 5PM70: World Teamer Tim Young

like COVID had given a lot of, 38 00:02:26.000 --> 00:02:32.719 a lot of schools, athletic departments, justification to cut their programs. 39 00:02:34.080 --> 00:02:36.740 Even though they were part of the inception of when 40 00:02:36.759 --> 00:02:38.939 the schools were around, they were like the longest running sports. 41 00:02:39.819 --> 00:02:43.439 Our team was obviously like top 25. So it just 42 00:02:43.479 --> 00:02:47.680 didn't quite make sense to cut the program. And the aftermath, 43 00:02:47.759 --> 00:02:52.159 it kind of left something unfulfilled in me. So like 44 00:02:52.250 --> 00:02:56.150 for me, it was ending the year. It was almost like, 45 00:02:56.330 --> 00:02:59.870 is this goodbye to wrestling? Cause I honestly wanted to 46 00:02:59.930 --> 00:03:02.370 keep wrestling with old dominion and be part of the 47 00:03:02.409 --> 00:03:06.810 system and go through the freestyle. Cause I hadn't quite 48 00:03:06.909 --> 00:03:09.090 finished it on the mat for folk style. So I 49 00:03:09.110 --> 00:03:10.930 was like, I want to get something to freestyle or 50 00:03:10.969 --> 00:03:13.689 Greco or something. And they were just, they did away 51 00:03:13.729 --> 00:03:15.229 with it. And so I was like, dang, this is 52 00:03:15.310 --> 00:03:19.449 actually might be goodbye. And it just left something unfulfilled. 53 00:03:19.909 --> 00:03:23.099 And I went home, I started coaching and, And it 54 00:03:23.199 --> 00:03:26.430 still quite didn't do it for me. And I was like, 55 00:03:26.650 --> 00:03:31.129 there's still something missing here. And that's when I had 56 00:03:31.310 --> 00:03:35.030 gotten contact with Gomez. He was looking to pick up 57 00:03:35.069 --> 00:03:37.870 some athletes. And his son was doing his own thing. 58 00:03:37.889 --> 00:03:41.229 He was wrestling for Mexico. And his daughters were, I 59 00:03:41.229 --> 00:03:45.270 don't know if they were. One of them was wrestling 60 00:03:45.289 --> 00:03:47.750 on the senior level. But she also wrestled for Mexico. 61 00:03:47.780 --> 00:03:50.240 And he picked me up. And I was just like, 62 00:03:50.719 --> 00:03:54.629 this is what I wanted. And I really kept my 63 00:03:54.669 --> 00:03:56.590 head down and I was working out with him and 64 00:03:56.930 --> 00:04:00.620 coaching his kids. But there's nothing like competition. There's nothing 65 00:04:00.659 --> 00:04:03.840 like competition and the fulfillment you get from that and 66 00:04:04.479 --> 00:04:07.680 bettering yourself. Because you got to push yourself. You got 67 00:04:07.699 --> 00:04:11.729 to challenge yourself to change and get better. So I 68 00:04:11.770 --> 00:04:15.310 think I got that fulfillment back coming back into Greco after. 69 00:04:17.310 --> 00:04:19.420 Plus, I mean, you look at your age at the time, 70 00:04:19.459 --> 00:04:22.879 you're in your mid-20s, you know that you still have, like, 71 00:04:22.980 --> 00:04:27.060 so much left. And not only so much left, but, like, 72 00:04:28.759 --> 00:04:30.899 not even tapped yet, I would think, right? 73 00:04:30.930 --> 00:04:33.870 Yeah, it seems like a lot of people, especially on 74 00:04:33.889 --> 00:04:40.829 the Greco side, around maybe, let's say, 30, I'll say 30, 31. 75 00:04:40.829 --> 00:04:43.370 I don't know what it is, but guys, like, hit 76 00:04:43.389 --> 00:04:47.730 that peak almost, or... You can stay in the game 77 00:04:47.769 --> 00:04:49.370 a little bit longer. I don't know what it is, 78 00:04:50.230 --> 00:04:52.230 quite what it is with people being able to stick 79 00:04:52.250 --> 00:04:58.420 around a little longer and actually compete. But yeah, I 80 00:04:58.459 --> 00:05:00.300 think it could be the mental side of it. Like 81 00:05:00.399 --> 00:05:05.500 your mindset just becomes more mature. Honestly, taking those wins 82 00:05:05.519 --> 00:05:09.670 and losses and hard matches and knowing like, okay, so 83 00:05:09.689 --> 00:05:11.670 I'm down four or whatever the case may be, I'm 84 00:05:11.689 --> 00:05:12.230 in this match. 85 00:05:13.509 --> 00:05:15.589 This is what I was... trying to bring up to 86 00:05:15.629 --> 00:05:19.959 you and like before we were set up to do 87 00:05:20.000 --> 00:05:24.220 this this is what had this was the conversation part 88 00:05:24.279 --> 00:05:27.500 of the conversation and I guess it's during that era 89 00:05:28.459 --> 00:05:33.670 when you were getting sponsored by Hector Gomez and then 90 00:05:35.069 --> 00:05:38.810 you know I don't know in what order chronologically you 91 00:05:38.870 --> 00:05:46.720 were wrestling in Champaign in 2020 but just in general, 92 00:05:46.800 --> 00:05:49.620 so I don't want to flub over my words, but 93 00:05:49.699 --> 00:05:54.279 before you went to Army, before you joined the Army, 94 00:05:55.139 --> 00:05:59.600 so this is you were in Final X against Allen 95 00:06:00.139 --> 00:06:04.759 in 2022, right? Yeah. We didn't know, at least in 96 00:06:04.800 --> 00:06:06.899 my inner circle, we didn't know where you were going 97 00:06:06.920 --> 00:06:11.480 to wind up. It was a topic because I suppose 98 00:06:11.560 --> 00:06:15.100 somebody could have just reached out to you, but it 99 00:06:15.139 --> 00:06:18.560 was like, uh, there was at one point where figuring, okay, well, 100 00:06:18.579 --> 00:06:22.610 he's just going to stay with meddling in Illinois or then, uh, 101 00:06:23.329 --> 00:06:25.449 at the same time, there were a couple of matches. 102 00:06:25.529 --> 00:06:28.029 At least I thought I saw you being coached by 103 00:06:28.149 --> 00:06:33.490 Dan Chandler. And so then it was, will he be 104 00:06:33.589 --> 00:06:37.290 Minnesota storm guy? And it's like, well, that kind of, 105 00:06:38.470 --> 00:06:40.620 and it just seemed like that might be a good 106 00:06:40.689 --> 00:06:43.319 fit because, you know, Minnesota storm Chandler, they know what 107 00:06:43.339 --> 00:06:45.699 to do with, you

know, D one college guys who 108 00:06:45.720 --> 00:06:48.370 come over to Greco. That's kind of been a part 109 00:06:48.399 --> 00:06:49.970 of their thing for a long time. 110 00:06:50.750 --> 00:06:51.029 Yeah. 111 00:06:51.209 --> 00:06:53.750 So what were these conversations like? Like what were your 112 00:06:53.949 --> 00:06:55.060 options that you were looking at? 113 00:06:56.310 --> 00:06:59.290 Yeah, I was trying to figure out how to make 114 00:06:59.410 --> 00:07:06.060 Greco my lifestyle. And I hadn't quite locked in with Illinois. 115 00:07:06.199 --> 00:07:09.360 I was kind of hanging around Joe Rau down there, 116 00:07:09.879 --> 00:07:13.019 training with him during his run and, And I did 117 00:07:13.040 --> 00:07:16.339 like Illinois. It wasn't that far from home. And Gomez, 118 00:07:16.800 --> 00:07:20.069 he picked me up. And he's like, Tim, you know 119 00:07:20.089 --> 00:07:22.029 about the World Class Athlete Program? And I was just like, 120 00:07:22.170 --> 00:07:26.449 I don't know. I don't know about that. And things 121 00:07:26.470 --> 00:07:28.269 started kind of getting a little bit more serious for me. 122 00:07:28.290 --> 00:07:30.329 He's like, all right, how about you go train with Minnesota? 123 00:07:30.370 --> 00:07:32.629 Go out there. They might be able to help you 124 00:07:32.680 --> 00:07:36.779 with your Greco and get you a way to stay 125 00:07:36.860 --> 00:07:40.000 out there, a job and whatnot. And so I actually 126 00:07:40.060 --> 00:07:43.199 did go out there for like a week, I believe. 127 00:07:43.699 --> 00:07:45.360 And I hung out with Dan Chandler and the guys 128 00:07:45.379 --> 00:07:51.029 down there. Stefano was there. I remember seeing James Foy 129 00:07:51.370 --> 00:07:56.730 down there. And Mike wasn't there at the time. I 130 00:07:56.750 --> 00:07:59.850 don't know why. But I was training with him and 131 00:07:59.889 --> 00:08:03.029 his dad. I didn't know they were Illinois guys either. 132 00:08:03.879 --> 00:08:06.600 And then right after that, I went to a Pan 133 00:08:06.680 --> 00:08:10.279 Am camp. And that's when Lentland was still the coach 134 00:08:10.339 --> 00:08:12.819 over there. And I was just trying to figure out 135 00:08:12.839 --> 00:08:15.199 where to go. And he hadn't quite got a room 136 00:08:15.259 --> 00:08:17.100 for me yet. And he's like, hey, Tim, you do 137 00:08:17.120 --> 00:08:19.879 well at these tournaments. I'll get you a room. But 138 00:08:20.040 --> 00:08:22.279 still in the back of my mind, that WCAP program 139 00:08:22.319 --> 00:08:25.060 was in my head. And I saw Bruce Robinson there. 140 00:08:25.689 --> 00:08:29.009 And I was like, hey, Bruce, I'm interested in being 141 00:08:29.029 --> 00:08:31.509 part of the WCAP program. And he's like, all right, 142 00:08:31.629 --> 00:08:34.309 I'll keep an eye out for you. You got to 143 00:08:34.350 --> 00:08:37.049 do well at these tournaments. Once I had met the 144 00:08:37.090 -->

00:08:40.090 qualifications for WCAP, I was like, you know what? This 145 00:08:40.169 --> 00:08:43.330 is it. This is what I want to do. And also, 146 00:08:43.350 --> 00:08:45.690 I was telling my brother, my brother's in the Army. 147 00:08:45.710 --> 00:08:46.769 I was like, hey, I think I want to join 148 00:08:46.789 --> 00:08:49.490 the Army. He's like, what? He's like, I don't know 149 00:08:49.529 --> 00:08:51.769 about that. I was like, no, no, no, no. I 150 00:08:51.809 --> 00:08:53.840 want to join the Army. He's like, all right, Tim. 151 00:08:53.879 --> 00:08:55.200 I'm not going to talk you out of it. That's 152 00:08:55.240 --> 00:08:55.899 what you want to do. 153 00:08:57.379 --> 00:08:58.759 I'm not joining your Army. 154 00:08:58.779 --> 00:09:06.389 Yeah. So it was interesting. I was ready to step 155 00:09:06.450 --> 00:09:07.950 up and be a man and kind of take control 156 00:09:07.970 --> 00:09:11.279 of my life. And I honestly think the Army... And 157 00:09:11.299 --> 00:09:14.470 the WCAP program gave me a way to, like, take 158 00:09:14.629 --> 00:09:18.049 the full reins of my life as well as be 159 00:09:18.070 --> 00:09:23.269 able to, like, go full send into Greco. So I've 160 00:09:23.289 --> 00:09:26.830 just been just sticking with it ever since. I've had 161 00:09:26.889 --> 00:09:30.009 some ups and downs with it for sure. Like, it 162 00:09:30.029 --> 00:09:36.929 was the 24. That was a pretty tough year for me. 163 00:09:36.950 --> 00:09:40.389 I was losing, like, Joe Rao and Stefanovic and just, like, 164 00:09:41.210 --> 00:09:44.570 One-point matches, and I'm like, man, I can't beat these guys. Like, 165 00:09:44.610 --> 00:09:46.429 why can't I beat these guys? I'm right there. I'd 166 00:09:46.460 --> 00:09:49.220 be leading the matches and just having a hard time 167 00:09:49.259 --> 00:09:54.340 beating these guys. But it's paid off. It's paid off 168 00:09:54.440 --> 00:09:54.759 a lot. 169 00:09:56.129 --> 00:09:58.960 How is that room for you currently? uh i would 170 00:09:59.000 --> 00:10:03.139 imagine it's a pretty good room considering that the incumbent 171 00:10:03.460 --> 00:10:05.639 at your class uh is in your. 172 00:10:05.559 --> 00:10:10.679 Room yeah mike me and mike are daily practice partners 173 00:10:10.740 --> 00:10:13.850 we we have a tough room if it's not me 174 00:10:13.889 --> 00:10:16.289 and mike it's me and bae if it's not me 175 00:10:16.350 --> 00:10:18.990 and bae we got a couple of 77 guys that 176 00:10:19.009 --> 00:10:22.370 like to mess with me too. And I'm tired, but 177 00:10:22.669 --> 00:10:25.309 it's a great room. We have a good competitive atmosphere. 178 00:10:25.330 --> 00:10:29.320 I think one thing about us at WCAP is we, 179 00:10:29.980 --> 00:10:32.659 as close as we are together, we don't hold back 180 00:10:32.720 --> 00:10:35.840 against each other on the mat. So I really enjoy that. 181 00:10:35.980 --> 00:10:38.860 And we, we critique each other

and we might not 182 00:10:38.899 --> 00:10:42.580 like what's said necessarily, but sometimes that you need to 183 00:10:42.600 --> 00:10:44.419 hear what you don't like to hear to get better. 184 00:10:46.570 --> 00:10:48.279 So I think we have one of the best rooms 185 00:10:48.330 --> 00:10:50.330 in the country, honestly. I think we do have the 186 00:10:50.370 --> 00:10:52.230 best room in the country. 187 00:10:52.370 --> 00:10:56.570 Be serious for a minute. The Army team is like 188 00:10:56.610 --> 00:11:00.570 the Yankees. It's the Greco program. I'm crying out loud. 189 00:11:00.590 --> 00:11:02.070 That's for sure. 190 00:11:02.570 --> 00:11:04.669 You got your onesies and twosies over here and there, 191 00:11:04.730 --> 00:11:06.649 but we're the best. 192 00:11:06.970 --> 00:11:10.009 Yes, they get all the free agents. They have the resources, 193 00:11:10.730 --> 00:11:12.990 a robust coaching staff. 194 00:11:13.600 --> 00:11:15.360 I tell Mango all the time. I'm like, you know, 195 00:11:15.399 --> 00:11:17.580 you're a great coach. And he's, he likes to be 196 00:11:17.600 --> 00:11:19.759 humble about it. I'm like, he, I'm like, no, you're, 197 00:11:19.799 --> 00:11:24.330 you're a great coach. Cause he, he, he knows how 198 00:11:24.350 --> 00:11:28.929 to coach each person and what they respond to. So. 199 00:11:29.570 --> 00:11:31.950 Well, and plus, you know, the way I always kind 200 00:11:31.990 --> 00:11:35.409 of see it is like, there's ongoing technical adjustments for 201 00:11:35.590 --> 00:11:38.379 everyone in the United States at the senior level, but 202 00:11:38.559 --> 00:11:41.559 at the senior level, you're not coaching the sport as 203 00:11:41.639 --> 00:11:46.980 much as you're coaching the person. Spencer would know that 204 00:11:47.679 --> 00:11:51.500 intimately well, if not better than the vast majority because 205 00:11:52.080 --> 00:11:56.139 he performed at the highest level for a long time. 206 00:11:57.139 --> 00:12:02.899 Not every high-performing athlete makes for a great coach, but 207 00:12:03.059 --> 00:12:11.700 he does. It's just so trite asking about weight, but 208 00:12:13.330 --> 00:12:14.429 I'll talk about it. 209 00:12:14.470 --> 00:12:20.750 I'm not scared to talk about the weight. At first, 210 00:12:21.149 --> 00:12:23.389 I was really struggling because I was coming up from 211 00:12:23.389 --> 00:12:28.409 87 to 97 and I was really struggling to keep 212 00:12:28.480 --> 00:12:32.500 the weight on is really where the problem is or 213 00:12:32.559 --> 00:12:37.500 was for me. And now this year, I've gotten the 214 00:12:37.539 --> 00:12:39.120 weight to stick. I'm sitting at 97, 98. Before, I 215 00:12:39.120 --> 00:12:47.639 was sitting like 95, 96. And when I was touching 97, 216 00:12:47.639 --> 00:12:50.679 if I got sick, it would be gone. But now 217 00:12:50.960 --> 00:12:53.720 the weight's hanging on me now. And now really the 218 00:12:53.759 --> 00:12:55.700 goal is to get up to like 100 and like 219 00:12:55.779 --> 00:12:58.940 have it stick up like on 100, 102. Still kind 220 00:12:58.980 --> 00:13:01.000 of hard to keep it on up there because it 221 00:13:01.039 --> 00:13:04.340 feels like water weight up there. But I just got 222 00:13:04.360 --> 00:13:08.559 to stick on the protein and creatine and keep lifting hard. 223 00:13:09.830 --> 00:13:13.269 Well, that's what I was thinking because when you said 96, 95, 224 00:13:13.269 --> 00:13:18.259 it's like figure this. That means during tournament day, different 225 00:13:18.299 --> 00:13:22.039 times during the day, you're 94, 93 perhaps. 226 00:13:22.460 --> 00:13:25.500 Right. I was eating up to those weight classes. Now, 227 00:13:26.279 --> 00:13:29.029 I'm not eating up to that weight class. That's my 228 00:13:29.070 --> 00:13:29.529 walk around. 229 00:13:30.090 --> 00:13:33.129 I don't know, Tim. You would be able to answer this, 230 00:13:33.309 --> 00:13:36.970 but I would just as soon as prefer to not 231 00:13:37.029 --> 00:13:40.330 have to drain out to make 97 either. You know 232 00:13:40.350 --> 00:13:40.750 what I mean? 233 00:13:40.809 --> 00:13:44.000 Like, I mean, I feel fast. I feel super fast 234 00:13:44.049 --> 00:13:47.460 on the mat. I feel agile. Like it, it feels 235 00:13:47.500 --> 00:13:50.320 good that I can eat that day and not be 236 00:13:50.379 --> 00:13:54.840 like sucked out and like exhausted, not sleeping through the night. 237 00:13:55.000 --> 00:13:57.100 So I enjoyed that part of it. 238 00:13:57.720 --> 00:14:01.590 Did you, well, I mean, you have your room, but 239 00:14:02.279 --> 00:14:06.470 as far as getting more time on target, And I'm 240 00:14:06.490 --> 00:14:09.049 not even talking about the tournaments cause we'll, we'll cover that. 241 00:14:09.429 --> 00:14:11.889 Like as far as like, you know, the ones from 242 00:14:12.049 --> 00:14:15.350 the summer and post-world team trials and stuff like that. 243 00:14:15.389 --> 00:14:19.259 But it's when you're up in weight, like as you 244 00:14:19.279 --> 00:14:25.100 have been for the past two trial cycles, you know, 245 00:14:25.179 --> 00:14:30.250 it's learning. I wonder like how you feel against guys 246 00:14:30.309 --> 00:14:33.210 that size. Because it's one thing to be that size, 247 00:14:33.230 --> 00:14:36.850 but I would imagine you have had to adjust to 248 00:14:37.210 --> 00:14:38.350 wrestling larger men. 249 00:14:39.070 --> 00:14:41.870 Yeah, I think the only difference is the pressure they 250 00:14:41.889 --> 00:14:47.559 can put on you forward sometimes. It's an adjustment. I 251 00:14:47.600 --> 00:14:51.779 think this Poland camp, I really liked the Poland camp 252 00:14:51.799 --> 00:14:54.980 because I really got to see myself. And I got 253 00:14:55.000 --> 00:14:58.409 to try out some new things and some strategy. And 254 00:14:58.450 --> 00:15:01.269 I was like, yo, these guys ain't really all that 255 00:15:01.309 -->

00:15:05.090 I thought they were, to be honest. So I've adjusted 256 00:15:05.129 --> 00:15:08.279 to it. I've adjusted to it. And I think a 257 00:15:08.320 --> 00:15:11.799 little bit of it was really thinking about what kind 258 00:15:11.820 --> 00:15:15.960 of got me far in the wrestling world before. Even 259 00:15:15.980 --> 00:15:18.679 on the folk style side, I'm like, okay, what do 260 00:15:18.700 --> 00:15:23.870 I like? I like misdirections. I like pull snap. I 261 00:15:23.909 --> 00:15:26.309 like arm drags. Okay, how can I incorporate that into 262 00:15:26.330 --> 00:15:30.480 my wrestling? How can I do a misdirection? It might 263 00:15:30.539 --> 00:15:31.960 not be on the legs, but it might be on 264 00:15:32.000 --> 00:15:33.440 the arms. So maybe I want to pick on this 265 00:15:33.480 --> 00:15:35.879 side and then boom, drag the other side. And that's 266 00:15:35.950 --> 00:15:38.070 really what I've been working on. And then keeping my 267 00:15:38.159 --> 00:15:41.250 speed and like using my ducks to my advantage and 268 00:15:41.309 --> 00:15:44.750 how to actually open that up on guys. And I 269 00:15:44.830 --> 00:15:48.389 got to get to a place where I felt how 270 00:15:48.450 --> 00:15:51.230 I can implement that in a match at this Poland camp. 271 00:15:51.769 --> 00:15:54.129 So I was really excited about that. And then having 272 00:15:54.149 --> 00:15:57.799 Joe Warren, I freaking love Joe Warren. he's fricking, he's awesome. 273 00:15:57.860 --> 00:16:00.220 He's a, like, he's, he's kind of my speed for it. 274 00:16:00.240 --> 00:16:01.600 I'm not gonna lie. I like that guy. 275 00:16:02.659 --> 00:16:04.940 So he's been helping you kind of formulate how you 276 00:16:04.960 --> 00:16:09.220 want to approach your attack angles and your misdirections. I mean, 277 00:16:09.240 --> 00:16:11.379 that's something that he was, I mean, he was obviously 278 00:16:11.399 --> 00:16:13.990 a very intense and aggressive competitor, but I mean, he was, 279 00:16:14.730 --> 00:16:17.950 he was certainly on his feet. He was effective to 280 00:16:17.990 --> 00:16:18.470 say the least. 281 00:16:18.529 --> 00:16:23.110 Yeah. I think sometimes where I was having a hard 282 00:16:23.149 --> 00:16:26.570 time was If I didn't feel like there was enough 283 00:16:26.649 --> 00:16:29.850 going on in the match, I would do some crazy 284 00:16:29.929 --> 00:16:34.429 stuff to get the match kind of going. And I've 285 00:16:34.470 --> 00:16:36.649 had Sheridan in my corner and Mango in my corner 286 00:16:37.470 --> 00:16:41.289 kind of helping me to keep that pressure on guys 287 00:16:41.889 --> 00:16:45.389 without opening myself up, doing something crazy and exposing myself 288 00:16:46.409 --> 00:16:49.269 to where now I'm not freaking out if there's no 289 00:16:49.320 --> 00:16:52.850 points on the board. Because for me, sometimes if it's 0-0, 290 00:16:52.909 --> 00:16:55.409 even 1-0, I'm like, I got to score. I need something. 291 00:16:56.090 --> 00:16:58.570 But now it's like, hey, I'm good. I'm right where 292 00:16:58.610 --> 00:16:59.710 I need to be. I'm going to get my one 293 00:16:59.769 --> 00:17:00.710 or two. I'm going to get my push out. I'm 294 00:17:00.730 --> 00:17:02.620 going to get my passivity. I'm going to get my throw. 295 00:17:03.409 --> 00:17:06.220 And that's another thing I found out during this tournament 296 00:17:06.279 --> 00:17:10.460 is like, I think I was down maybe was 4-0 297 00:17:11.400 --> 00:17:14.920 going into the second. I get my passivity call. That's one. 298 00:17:15.259 --> 00:17:18.640 I throw him for five. Now it's 6-4. And now 299 00:17:18.700 --> 00:17:21.049 bank closed and we working in the middle. And if 300 00:17:21.089 --> 00:17:25.609 something opens up, I'm taking it. So just, it's kind 301 00:17:25.650 --> 00:17:28.569 of a slow process sometimes. You don't get to see 302 00:17:28.630 --> 00:17:35.019 those results every week. But I really enjoyed the Poland 303 00:17:35.039 --> 00:17:36.940 trip and I got what I needed out of it. 304 00:17:36.960 --> 00:17:43.200 It's very, very nice that you went into this because 305 00:17:43.279 --> 00:17:48.099 actually one of the questions I had for you was 306 00:17:48.160 --> 00:17:53.839 how are you appraising your progress like as at least 307 00:17:53.880 --> 00:17:57.549 as part of this world uh team training block here 308 00:17:57.609 --> 00:18:00.109 like like how are you appraising your progress as you 309 00:18:00.150 --> 00:18:02.710 go along here like how do you chart like not 310 00:18:03.069 --> 00:18:05.549 i don't mean this literally charting it like as if 311 00:18:05.569 --> 00:18:08.910 you have a whiteboard in your bedroom or something but 312 00:18:08.970 --> 00:18:12.859 like how are you taking stock considering this i mean 313 00:18:12.880 --> 00:18:17.410 because after after the trials Then it's, you know, you 314 00:18:17.430 --> 00:18:19.650 have a run of stuff. You go overseas, you got 315 00:18:19.690 --> 00:18:22.069 Pan Ams, you go overseas. When you come back, you 316 00:18:22.089 --> 00:18:24.779 got camp and you go to Hungary. When you come back, 317 00:18:25.859 --> 00:18:29.980 do whatever. And then, you know, you go to Poland 318 00:18:30.859 --> 00:18:34.259 and now you're back. So how are you taking stock 319 00:18:34.319 --> 00:18:35.119 as you go along here? 320 00:18:35.140 --> 00:18:38.400 I think for me, it's just really staying consistent and 321 00:18:38.480 --> 00:18:43.339 not having these like off days where I'm like, oh, 322 00:18:43.349 --> 00:18:46.559 I don't really want to be here. I'm trying to 323 00:18:47.660 --> 00:18:50.339 enjoy being here. There was a brief time when I 324 00:18:50.420 --> 00:18:54.589 wasn't on my orders and I could have just been 325 00:18:54.619 --> 00:18:58.119 done with it and not come back to wrestling. I 326 00:18:58.769 --> 00:19:01.690 wasn't on orders anymore and just pretty

much just National Guard, 327 00:19:02.509 --> 00:19:06.829 working regular hours and whatnot. And I was like, I 328 00:19:06.849 --> 00:19:10.190 don't necessarily have to go back. Wrestling's a grind. You 329 00:19:11.049 --> 00:19:13.589 can get grinded out of there. And I was like, 330 00:19:13.950 --> 00:19:18.690 what makes it, Easy for me is actually having fun 331 00:19:18.730 --> 00:19:21.289 doing it. That's what brought me into the sport. So 332 00:19:21.329 --> 00:19:24.049 I try to have fun every single day and stay consistent. 333 00:19:24.950 --> 00:19:26.890 And I think that's really all I can ask of 334 00:19:26.930 --> 00:19:31.500 myself because this sport is almost too hard to see 335 00:19:31.559 --> 00:19:34.359 drastic change every day. Sometimes I'm like, I don't even 336 00:19:34.380 --> 00:19:38.720 know if I'm getting stronger. And our strength trainer, he 337 00:19:38.759 --> 00:19:40.900 comes by with a grip test or whatever, blah, blah, blah. 338 00:19:41.440 --> 00:19:42.920 And he's like, hey, you got to do the grip test. 339 00:19:43.930 --> 00:19:46.890 And I beat my numbers from the last month I 340 00:19:46.910 --> 00:19:48.410 did it. I was like, oh, I am getting stronger. 341 00:19:48.910 --> 00:19:51.160 So it's hard to really gauge. for myself how much 342 00:19:51.200 --> 00:19:54.019 stronger or better I'm getting. But as long as I'm 343 00:19:54.039 --> 00:19:57.799 staying consistent with myself and just trying to continue to 344 00:19:57.819 --> 00:19:59.359 have fun with it, I think that's the best thing 345 00:19:59.380 --> 00:20:00.579 I can do for me right now. 346 00:20:02.670 --> 00:20:05.710 Well, are you having fun wrestling the foreigners? Because it 347 00:20:05.750 --> 00:20:08.650 wasn't something that you've gotten a lot of opportunity to 348 00:20:08.710 --> 00:20:15.549 do at all. Until this training cycle here. When you 349 00:20:15.569 --> 00:20:18.569 were younger, you did. You got Simon Targ against foreigners. 350 00:20:18.630 --> 00:20:24.390 Now you're at the senior level. It's important because these 351 00:20:24.450 --> 00:20:32.430 opportunities are not necessarily ubiquitous. What has that been like? 352 00:20:32.589 --> 00:20:35.609 Not only is this the style of competition at least 353 00:20:35.630 --> 00:20:39.819 you're going to face, but it's also different. It's not 354 00:20:39.859 --> 00:20:42.509 the same as wrestling domestic guys. So, right. 355 00:20:43.329 --> 00:20:45.569 I was talking to Kamal about this and I was like, 356 00:20:45.990 --> 00:20:49.710 I think I was, I surprised myself with how quickly 357 00:20:49.769 --> 00:20:51.529 and easily I was getting to some stuff. But by 358 00:20:51.549 --> 00:20:53.049 the time I realized, I was like, dang, that was 359 00:20:53.109 --> 00:20:56.579 easy to get to. It was gone. And I think 360 00:20:56.950 --> 00:20:59.779 sometimes it's harder wrestling Americans. Cause they know exactly what 361 00:20:59.859 -->

00:21:02.259 I'm kind of doing. So like when I'm wrestling, Mike, 362 00:21:02.279 --> 00:21:03.900 he knows kind of what I'm doing or Becca. He's 363 00:21:03.940 --> 00:21:08.140 kind of like gotten Americanized a little bit. And I'm like, 364 00:21:09.319 --> 00:21:13.509 it might be harder wrestling Americans. It's like, yeah, like 365 00:21:13.549 --> 00:21:16.230 for us, we're weirdos. We're wild cards. We're folk style, 366 00:21:16.250 --> 00:21:20.809 weirdo Greco guys. Like it's weird and like probably more 367 00:21:20.829 --> 00:21:23.259 annoying for them to wrestle us. And I found out 368 00:21:23.279 --> 00:21:26.940 at the start, but they don't like wrestling me. They, they, 369 00:21:27.500 --> 00:21:29.619 they hate it. Like I pull on the head, I'm pushing, 370 00:21:29.660 --> 00:21:32.740 pulling like a folk style guy. And then I'll get 371 00:21:32.779 --> 00:21:35.640 back into your chest and I'm dragging you. And they 372 00:21:35.660 --> 00:21:38.450 don't like that. It's weird to them. And they don't 373 00:21:38.509 --> 00:21:41.369 want someone to push the pace. They wrestle great stagnant. 374 00:21:41.990 --> 00:21:43.549 But if you push the pace on them and you 375 00:21:43.589 --> 00:21:45.829 make them have to have a flurry, they're like, they 376 00:21:45.930 --> 00:21:50.569 don't like that stuff. So I liked it. I like 377 00:21:50.829 --> 00:21:52.490 antagonizing those guys and being annoying. 378 00:21:54.089 --> 00:21:59.930 How are you growing with the feel aspect of parterre 379 00:21:59.950 --> 00:22:00.910 bottom against them? 380 00:22:01.630 --> 00:22:03.910 I think I'm a great parterre wrestler. I think I'm 381 00:22:03.930 --> 00:22:06.710 also dangerous. I'm dangerous to lift. I'm dangerous to turn. 382 00:22:08.589 --> 00:22:11.170 I always talk about it with my coaches. Like, you 383 00:22:11.410 --> 00:22:14.789 are a weirdo, always doing weirdo stuff. And I think 384 00:22:15.509 --> 00:22:18.230 that's what makes me great. I'm doing weirdo stuff. I'm 385 00:22:18.269 --> 00:22:21.069 doing folk style stepovers. You're not going to turn me 386 00:22:21.089 --> 00:22:23.190 because I have good defense. As long as I'm moving, 387 00:22:23.869 --> 00:22:27.859 I'm good. So I have a great time with parterre. 388 00:22:27.880 --> 00:22:29.500 I always call it party mode. 389 00:22:31.369 --> 00:22:34.410 Well, I tell you what, you certainly did well on 390 00:22:35.829 --> 00:22:39.470 bottom against the Ginger Assassin, Musa Vloyev. I mean, that 391 00:22:39.490 --> 00:22:43.299 was the most decorated guy in that tournament when you 392 00:22:43.339 --> 00:22:45.259 wrestled him. I mean, I know he had been gone 393 00:22:45.319 --> 00:22:48.579 for a little bit, but did you... Well, let me 394 00:22:48.660 --> 00:22:55.900 ask you. A lot of athletes, I notice, are somewhat detached. 395 00:22:57.609 --> 00:22:59.720 Were you familiar with who that was before you wrestled him? 396 00:23:01.509 --> 00:23:05.029 Um, I wasn't quite familiar, but before my match, I 397 00:23:05.049 --> 00:23:06.490 was getting familiar with who he was. 398 00:23:08.369 --> 00:23:09.329 Look at Wikipedia. 399 00:23:10.130 --> 00:23:12.910 Yeah. They're like, I was like, coach, what should I 400 00:23:12.950 --> 00:23:17.470 do here? He's like, stay solid, stay solid. Don't be 401 00:23:17.509 --> 00:23:20.490 wrestling crazy out there, dude. The only thing I wish 402 00:23:20.519 --> 00:23:22.019 I would have done is I picked it up a 403 00:23:22.079 --> 00:23:26.180 little bit more in the second. I, but I, I 404 00:23:26.220 --> 00:23:30.150 wasn't scared going out there. Like, wrestling, like, maybe, I 405 00:23:30.150 --> 00:23:31.670 don't know, when people are like, oh, we got to 406 00:23:31.690 --> 00:23:35.170 wrestle Russia or whatever, I'm like, great, awesome, let's get it. Like, 407 00:23:35.210 --> 00:23:38.509 that doesn't bother me. I think just making sure I'm 408 00:23:38.569 --> 00:23:41.799 implementing what I want rather than becoming, if you want 409 00:23:41.819 --> 00:23:44.220 to call it a victim to their whatever they got. 410 00:23:44.319 --> 00:23:45.259 No, 100%. 411 00:23:45.259 --> 00:23:49.220 You know? So, for that match, that was also a 412 00:23:49.259 --> 00:23:52.619 learning thing is, like, staying solid in the middle. It 413 00:23:53.460 --> 00:23:58.349 was 3-0 match. Yeah, staying solid in the middle. I 414 00:23:58.730 --> 00:23:59.950 just wish I would have picked up a little more 415 00:23:59.970 --> 00:24:02.029 in the second. If I get a chance to see 416 00:24:02.049 --> 00:24:04.549 that guy again, I really hope I do. That'd be 417 00:24:04.609 --> 00:24:06.309 awesome because I can get that one back. That's the 418 00:24:06.369 --> 00:24:07.690 one I think I can get back for sure. 419 00:24:08.309 --> 00:24:11.009 Well, that's the kind of experience that I thought was 420 00:24:11.289 --> 00:24:16.140 very important because you've got all of this ability and 421 00:24:16.799 --> 00:24:21.859 broke through in April at the trials. And it's like, 422 00:24:22.759 --> 00:24:25.480 oh gosh, I could take this whole conversation completely off 423 00:24:25.519 --> 00:24:28.990 the rails because... that's part of the issue i mean 424 00:24:29.009 --> 00:24:30.630 i don't want to say with our program i mean 425 00:24:30.690 --> 00:24:33.359 fine call it a geographical issue it's just that like 426 00:24:35.019 --> 00:24:38.160 it's like ideally you would have had ample opportunity to 427 00:24:38.180 --> 00:24:40.019 get some of these looks prior to making the world 428 00:24:40.039 --> 00:24:43.819 team you know that way like you know if we 429 00:24:43.920 --> 00:24:46.420 could do that i mean it would really help our 430 00:24:46.460 --> 00:24:49.579 depth of more guys if we started to involve more 431 00:24:49.599 --> 00:24:52.980 guys overseas instead of just you know the ones and 432 00:24:53.000 --> 00:24:54.539 twos

and stuff like that but. 433 00:24:54.990 --> 00:24:57.240 I definitely hear you where you're coming from on that. 434 00:24:57.980 --> 00:25:00.759 I think at least for me right now as the wrestler, 435 00:25:00.779 --> 00:25:03.799 I always see it as a double-edged sword is that for, 436 00:25:04.180 --> 00:25:06.980 for us, we might not get that European feel as much. 437 00:25:07.819 --> 00:25:10.700 And also, yeah, the experience that Matt experience of learning 438 00:25:10.779 --> 00:25:13.019 where we're, we're good at and where we can pick 439 00:25:13.039 --> 00:25:14.420 it up and where we can slow it down. But 440 00:25:16.019 --> 00:25:18.819 also I think we're weirdos. So it's like, they don't 441 00:25:18.859 --> 00:25:21.609 know what they're getting. They're getting like, uh, I forgot 442 00:25:21.619 --> 00:25:24.380 what you would call it. It's like a, It's a 443 00:25:24.420 --> 00:25:27.089 mixed bag. They don't know what they're going to get. 444 00:25:27.289 --> 00:25:28.400 We're a wild card. 445 00:25:30.089 --> 00:25:32.690 Well, we out-condition pretty much everybody too. 446 00:25:33.210 --> 00:25:34.769 Yeah, for sure. 447 00:25:35.410 --> 00:25:38.670 Well, the only thing is it's kind of a quandary 448 00:25:38.690 --> 00:25:43.329 in a way because it's like in most weight classes, thankfully, 449 00:25:43.589 --> 00:25:49.180 currently anyway, there's not so much distance between people. But 450 00:25:50.019 --> 00:25:54.769 the quandary is this. Guys... very often have to wrestle 451 00:25:54.789 --> 00:26:01.569 a different style in order to make the team than 452 00:26:01.630 --> 00:26:05.190 the style they're actually going to face at the worlds. 453 00:26:05.990 --> 00:26:06.250 Yeah. 454 00:26:06.269 --> 00:26:10.380 The presentation of Greco Roman wrestling at a United States 455 00:26:10.460 --> 00:26:15.500 domestic selection tournament kind of doesn't always look how it 456 00:26:15.559 --> 00:26:18.720 looks in Europe and elsewhere. You know what I mean? 457 00:26:19.220 --> 00:26:23.720 You're definitely right. It, It's definitely weird. It's definitely weird. 458 00:26:23.859 --> 00:26:27.299 It's hard to even tell what the difference is going 459 00:26:27.319 --> 00:26:30.900 to be sometimes. Because when I was watching a lot 460 00:26:30.920 --> 00:26:35.880 of those matches over there, they were asking me, why 461 00:26:35.940 --> 00:26:38.140 was I always putting my head kind of to the side? 462 00:26:38.619 --> 00:26:40.799 And I think part of it was, I don't want 463 00:26:40.819 --> 00:26:42.859 to get called passive for having my head kind of 464 00:26:42.900 --> 00:26:45.559 down or whatever. But those guys, they're wrestling with their 465 00:26:45.599 --> 00:26:48.900 whole face. They're wrestling with their head down. And I'm like, yo, 466 00:26:48.940 --> 00:26:53.049 this stuff doesn't fly. They call us automatically. you know, 467 00:26:53.829 --> 00:26:57.680 here domestically. But over

there, they might allow a little 468 00:26:57.720 --> 00:26:59.700 bit more, like, let it wrestle, you know? 469 00:27:01.299 --> 00:27:06.500 Well, the... Oh, gosh, I go over this all the time. But, like, 470 00:27:06.599 --> 00:27:09.930 there's a disconnect there. The disconnect is that in America, 471 00:27:10.569 --> 00:27:13.589 by and large, the officials base... The officials look at 472 00:27:13.630 --> 00:27:21.579 passivity as though it's an international translation for the word stalling. Whereas... 473 00:27:23.480 --> 00:27:30.779 uww officials like good international officials passivity is not necessarily 474 00:27:30.980 --> 00:27:35.059 as simple as stalling they're looking for advanceable positions so 475 00:27:35.160 --> 00:27:39.200 like and that's why people don't understand like passivity is 476 00:27:39.299 --> 00:27:41.640 not a rule it is not a rule it's a 477 00:27:41.700 --> 00:27:44.799 series it's a it's a series of guidelines that inform 478 00:27:44.839 --> 00:27:49.339 passivity and so like passivity obviously does not have to 479 00:27:49.380 --> 00:27:51.589 be called it does not have to be called it's 480 00:27:51.609 --> 00:27:57.769 not mandatory to be called Right. It's what American officials 481 00:27:57.869 --> 00:28:03.829 look at. I think. It tends to be based upon pace, 482 00:28:04.630 --> 00:28:08.220 like who's pushing more, who's like more aggressive or whatever. 483 00:28:08.819 --> 00:28:10.920 But the problem with that is, is that you can 484 00:28:10.960 --> 00:28:13.140 go ahead and hold both of my wrists and leg 485 00:28:13.180 --> 00:28:16.619 drive me as I'll get out. And in America I'll 486 00:28:16.660 --> 00:28:19.299 be called passive. But if you and I are wrestling 487 00:28:19.440 --> 00:28:22.480 in Zagreb and you go ahead and hold my wrists 488 00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:24.960 and start leg driving me, you're probably going to get 489 00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:29.420 called passive because that is not an actionable position. Yep. 490 00:28:30.019 --> 00:28:35.910 And so like, that's why sometimes I watch our domestic 491 00:28:36.029 --> 00:28:38.890 selection tournaments or domestic tournaments period, but where you really 492 00:28:38.930 --> 00:28:42.009 only have one at this point. And it just drives 493 00:28:42.049 --> 00:28:44.250 me nuts. Cause I'll see certain guys get called passive. 494 00:28:44.269 --> 00:28:47.150 It's like, well, I, you know, I mean, first and foremost, 495 00:28:47.190 --> 00:28:49.089 if you just want to pick somebody, that's fine. Let's 496 00:28:49.130 --> 00:28:54.069 just call it that then. But like overseas, it's different. 497 00:28:54.210 --> 00:28:57.289 Like the guys who are getting called, like guys here, 498 00:28:57.450 --> 00:29:00.809 they get stupefied because it's like, well, what do you 499 00:29:00.829 --> 00:29:02.490 want me to do? I'm pushing around, but they're not 500 00:29:02.650 --> 00:29:05.519 worried about you pushing somebody around. They're worried about if 501 00:29:05.579 --> 00:29:09.660 you have something actionable, like they call, I remember in 2006, 17, 502 00:29:09.640 --> 00:29:16.000 when they started 2017, when they, started into implementing the 503 00:29:16.079 --> 00:29:20.099 negative wrestling stuff which they hardly enforce anymore but nevertheless 504 00:29:21.039 --> 00:29:23.579 and zach errett who was you know one of our 505 00:29:23.619 --> 00:29:26.759 head officials here he actually is the one who did 506 00:29:26.839 --> 00:29:30.589 the program video for uww to explain all this and 507 00:29:30.609 --> 00:29:32.829 the phrase he used was hooking they like to see 508 00:29:32.890 --> 00:29:37.069 hooking under hooks primarily but even over hooks like that 509 00:29:37.410 --> 00:29:41.289 has an offensive intent where if you and I are 510 00:29:41.329 --> 00:29:44.869 going to just hand fight and twist each other's fingers while, 511 00:29:45.309 --> 00:29:47.490 you know, trying to pivot our legs and leg drive, 512 00:29:47.829 --> 00:29:50.289 that's not necessarily going to create anything substantial. 513 00:29:50.930 --> 00:29:51.170 Yeah. 514 00:29:51.589 --> 00:29:55.309 So here they're looking at somebody who's going to like 515 00:29:55.349 --> 00:29:58.630 drive the pace, you Whereas I think a lot of 516 00:29:58.650 --> 00:30:02.009 times overseas, they're less concerned with that than they are with, 517 00:30:02.230 --> 00:30:04.170 is this guy like actually trying to get in position 518 00:30:04.190 --> 00:30:06.950 to score or is he just jerking around right now? 519 00:30:07.589 --> 00:30:07.789 Yeah. 520 00:30:07.809 --> 00:30:07.910 Yeah. 521 00:30:09.430 --> 00:30:09.650 Yeah. 522 00:30:11.670 --> 00:30:13.210 I go on that tangent kind of often. 523 00:30:13.650 --> 00:30:15.000 But you hit it on the head with that one. 524 00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:16.980 Like that's, that's exactly what I've been seeing. 525 00:30:19.200 --> 00:30:22.539 Did you, uh, did you enjoy these trips as far 526 00:30:22.579 --> 00:30:25.990 as just personally and like, nevermind like your, you know, 527 00:30:26.009 --> 00:30:31.980 your chief responsibility of performing at a world metal capable level. 528 00:30:33.079 --> 00:30:35.440 But as far as you personally, just traveling, like going 529 00:30:35.480 --> 00:30:38.500 to Hungary and going to Poland and whatever else, have 530 00:30:38.519 --> 00:30:40.539 you enjoyed this amount of travel? 531 00:30:43.339 --> 00:30:45.690 Every time I go overseas, I always say, you know what? 532 00:30:45.849 --> 00:30:50.990 I love America, but I think it's awesome. I do 533 00:30:51.029 --> 00:30:54.609 like getting to see like the different culture aspects and 534 00:30:54.630 --> 00:30:57.119 meeting new people. and going out to the cafes and 535 00:30:57.130 --> 00:30:59.859 stuff during the day. That's always fun. I get to 536 00:30:59.900 --> 00:31:02.400 see a different way of life and just the

cultural settings. 537 00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:05.660 But I think America's the. 538 00:31:05.619 --> 00:31:06.160 Best, man. 539 00:31:06.200 --> 00:31:09.019 I'm not going to lie to you. 540 00:31:10.039 --> 00:31:11.859 Do you like trying foreign food? 541 00:31:12.980 --> 00:31:16.240 Yeah. We had some, I think they call them pizookies, 542 00:31:17.119 --> 00:31:19.420 over in Poland. That's what they're known for. 543 00:31:19.740 --> 00:31:20.220 I like those. 544 00:31:20.240 --> 00:31:20.869 Those are pretty good. 545 00:31:21.569 --> 00:31:21.980 What is it? 546 00:31:23.130 --> 00:31:26.990 It's a dumpling. So it can either be fried or boiled. 547 00:31:27.769 --> 00:31:30.710 I think the fried ones are better. But yeah, the 548 00:31:30.750 --> 00:31:31.569 pizookies are really good. 549 00:31:33.730 --> 00:31:37.490 Interesting. Who would want to eat something that's like boiled? 550 00:31:38.529 --> 00:31:40.470 I don't know. 551 00:31:40.490 --> 00:31:42.190 Saying the word boiled bothers me. 552 00:31:42.509 --> 00:31:45.589 Yeah, I was like, boiled dumplings? I've never even wanted 553 00:31:45.630 --> 00:31:48.470 to try doing that. Fried, I'll do fried all the time. 554 00:31:49.930 --> 00:31:51.690 Maybe that's my American ways. 555 00:31:53.440 --> 00:31:55.440 Well, it's funny because when I was asking you the question, like, 556 00:31:55.559 --> 00:31:57.859 do you like, you know, I said the word amount 557 00:31:58.799 --> 00:32:00.970 as opposed to just focusing on location. 558 00:32:01.509 --> 00:32:02.289 Yeah. 559 00:32:02.369 --> 00:32:03.250 Do you like the amount? 560 00:32:05.269 --> 00:32:07.589 Yeah. Yeah. Overall, I think I like the amount. I 561 00:32:07.630 --> 00:32:09.319 like the amount. I think they've made it to where 562 00:32:09.339 --> 00:32:12.319 it's not too long anymore, where it's just enough to 563 00:32:12.339 --> 00:32:15.819 get what you need out of it. So I appreciate 564 00:32:15.859 --> 00:32:18.630 that part of it. Because if it was any longer 565 00:32:18.670 --> 00:32:20.730 than like two weeks and now we're out there for 566 00:32:20.769 --> 00:32:22.809 three and a half or two and a half, I'm like, 567 00:32:22.829 --> 00:32:25.869 all right, we're kind of pushing it. But I think 568 00:32:25.890 --> 00:32:29.670 they've kind of toned it down a little bit. So that's, 569 00:32:29.690 --> 00:32:33.480 I think, kind of like that. But I think it 570 00:32:33.539 --> 00:32:36.420 also is another thing because we weren't traveling before. I 571 00:32:37.000 --> 00:32:42.500 don't know if you remember when Yvonne was kind of around. 572 00:32:42.519 --> 00:32:46.099 Oh, my gosh. Are you out of your mind, Tim? Yes, 573 00:32:46.160 --> 00:32:47.980 of course I remember. Yeah. 574 00:32:48.220 --> 00:32:50.180 So I wasn't happy about that. I was like, dang, 575 00:32:50.220 --> 00:32:51.980 I made my first national team and I don't get 576 00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:56.099 to travel nowhere. And that was one of the determining 577 00:32:56.119 --> 00:32:58.420 factors of like, I was going to go to base. 578 00:32:58.480 --> 00:33:00.019 I was about to go off to basic training and 579 00:33:00.059 --> 00:33:03.240 I was like, okay, I'll wait till November because I 580 00:33:03.279 --> 00:33:05.140 want to go get the world team experience. I want 581 00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:08.910 to go overseas and go get that feel. And he's like, yeah, 582 00:33:08.970 --> 00:33:11.829 number twos will not be traveling with us. I was like, what? 583 00:33:13.809 --> 00:33:13.930 Yeah. 584 00:33:16.369 --> 00:33:18.240 Wait, so that is when you went to Basic in 22? 585 00:33:18.230 --> 00:33:21.109 Yeah, I went to Basic in 22. Yep. 586 00:33:21.630 --> 00:33:27.109 Okay. Right. Well, because 22 was Final X against Allen. 587 00:33:27.650 --> 00:33:27.910 Yeah. 588 00:33:29.230 --> 00:33:31.849 Did you like that format that year when we did 589 00:33:31.869 --> 00:33:36.410 it that way with as far as, you know, you 590 00:33:36.730 --> 00:33:40.410 win in the semifinals of the World Team Trials and 591 00:33:40.470 --> 00:33:42.210 then they just wrestle the final at Final X? 592 00:33:42.779 --> 00:33:44.730 I did enjoy it. That's all I knew, though, at 593 00:33:44.779 --> 00:33:47.700 the time. And adjusting to this new one, it was like, 594 00:33:47.759 --> 00:33:52.000 this is weird. I think it kind of– it sucks 595 00:33:52.059 --> 00:33:54.119 that we don't get to have a final X per 596 00:33:54.140 --> 00:33:57.430 se because it kind of takes the light off of 597 00:33:57.849 --> 00:34:00.150 us in a way a little bit. But it's good 598 00:34:00.170 --> 00:34:01.490 that we got our team figured out. 599 00:34:03.109 --> 00:34:10.869 Okay, that's very interesting. Okay, now– so you're an athlete 600 00:34:11.550 --> 00:34:21.230 who– you're good with the earlier selection process. Yeah. Okay. Now, 601 00:34:22.250 --> 00:34:25.750 is it because of the timing just in totality? Like 602 00:34:25.789 --> 00:34:26.929 that's why you just. 603 00:34:28.190 --> 00:34:31.340 Yeah, I think that'd be the timing. I think you've 604 00:34:31.360 --> 00:34:34.880 got your experts and you've got your intermediates and your 605 00:34:34.940 --> 00:34:37.320 experts are kind of doing what they need to do 606 00:34:37.420 --> 00:34:42.090 with this new system that we've got. And yeah, We 607 00:34:42.409 --> 00:34:44.690 were taking advantage of it. And you got these other 608 00:34:44.730 --> 00:34:46.949 guys who are like the intermediates who haven't quite figured 609 00:34:46.969 --> 00:34:48.849 it out the path yet. 610 00:34:49.769 --> 00:34:54.969 So I don't have a problem so much with selecting 611 00:34:55.010 --> 00:34:58.610 the team in April. As much as I have a 612 00:34:58.650 --> 00:35:03.030 problem with selecting the team in April at the sacrifice 613 00:35:03.590 --> 00:35:08.960 of another competition. So like I liked having a world 614

00:35:09.000 --> 00:35:12.320 team trials challenge tournament, not because I think it's necessarily 615 00:35:12.400 --> 00:35:17.860 mission critical. It's merely because it's another tournament for guys 616 00:35:17.920 --> 00:35:22.599 to compete. And so I think that's, I think when 617 00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:25.079 this became a thing, cause this is what Herb has wanted. 618 00:35:26.019 --> 00:35:29.519 I think he has more support on that than perhaps 619 00:35:29.599 --> 00:35:34.050 maybe he did going into 25 when this was, and 620 00:35:34.070 --> 00:35:36.530 this was a big thing, Tim. like as far as 621 00:35:36.550 --> 00:35:39.090 the Greco-Roman sport committee was concerned and everything else, because 622 00:35:40.250 --> 00:35:43.150 I think there's a conflation of issues here. On one hand, 623 00:35:43.190 --> 00:35:45.889 I see the argument because I agree. Like, it's like, well, 624 00:35:45.989 --> 00:35:49.260 we're having the trials in April, but then that means 625 00:35:49.280 --> 00:35:51.719 we don't have a world team trials challenge tournament. And 626 00:35:51.820 --> 00:35:53.840 by extension, it means we're not involved in final X. 627 00:35:54.820 --> 00:35:58.179 And I loved final X. I mean, I love, well, yeah, 628 00:35:58.199 --> 00:36:03.800 you would. I mean, but like, but like, it's like, no, 629 00:36:03.820 --> 00:36:07.050 but seriously, like, it's like, I could see that side 630 00:36:07.070 --> 00:36:11.050 of it. It's like, yeah, we had more competition. And 631 00:36:11.329 --> 00:36:14.449 since we don't have a lot of it, that world 632 00:36:14.469 --> 00:36:18.210 team trials challenge tournament was actually important developmentally, even though 633 00:36:18.230 --> 00:36:22.500 it's part of a selection process. And now I think, 634 00:36:22.519 --> 00:36:23.599 I think that is. 635 00:36:23.500 --> 00:36:29.739 The part that they aren't necessarily on the maybe development 636 00:36:30.219 --> 00:36:32.780 side anymore. They want the guys who are established. 637 00:36:32.260 --> 00:36:35.550 And, they do that's why everything is that's why everything's 638 00:36:35.610 --> 00:36:41.699 tilted this way but like from my vantage point it 639 00:36:41.860 --> 00:36:44.699 is more that i don't care when you select the 640 00:36:44.719 --> 00:36:49.980 team i care about the amount of competition available so 641 00:36:50.099 --> 00:36:51.760 if you could go ahead and select the team in 642 00:36:51.820 --> 00:36:55.860 january for all i care doesn't matter me okay it's 643 00:36:55.940 --> 00:37:00.119 more that like we're having a different conversation at The 644 00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:04.400 point being, we're having a different conversation about this. If 645 00:37:04.659 --> 00:37:07.059 after the world team trials in April and we've got 646 00:37:07.099 --> 00:37:10.420 our team and it's here, here's our world team. If 647 00:37:10.579 --> 00:37:16.440 let's say we have our own tournament, like

in June 648 00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:20.780 or July or August or two of them, because to me, 649 00:37:20.909 --> 00:37:24.769 it's about providing the competitive experience to what I look 650 00:37:24.849 --> 00:37:29.929 at as a youngish senior program. Yeah. If only look 651 00:37:29.949 --> 00:37:32.829 at it this way, you were on the world team, 652 00:37:32.909 --> 00:37:38.510 so you've been traveling and we have a couple of 653 00:37:38.550 --> 00:37:42.389 dozen or so people in our program who every year travel, 654 00:37:43.090 --> 00:37:49.360 you know, the winter tour and all this. Right. Right. Well, 655 00:37:49.400 --> 00:37:54.760 what percentage of our active senior base does that comprise? 656 00:37:55.559 --> 00:37:58.860 Not a big percentage, which means that the overwhelming majority 657 00:37:59.059 --> 00:38:02.769 of our senior direct enrollment athletes aren't getting international looks. 658 00:38:02.849 --> 00:38:06.150 They're not getting international looks, but they're also just not 659 00:38:06.170 --> 00:38:09.289 getting enough competition, period. Like how many guys at the 660 00:38:09.389 --> 00:38:11.869 April trials was that their first tournament of the year? 661 00:38:11.889 --> 00:38:14.690 A lot of them. It was their first tournament of 662 00:38:14.730 --> 00:38:17.050 the year. Their first tournament of the year is also their. 663 00:38:16.949 --> 00:38:20.900 Last tournament of the year. you're not even warm yet. Right. 664 00:38:21.260 --> 00:38:24.849 So that's an issue that I think needs to, I mean, 665 00:38:24.989 --> 00:38:27.750 it does need to be addressed some way, whether that 666 00:38:28.150 --> 00:38:31.050 means more tournaments on the front end of the season, fine. 667 00:38:31.670 --> 00:38:33.809 One or two would be great. Or does that mean 668 00:38:33.829 --> 00:38:34.210 on the back? 669 00:38:34.269 --> 00:38:36.780 I also think one or two would be great. I don't, 670 00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:40.159 I don't even know exactly what all the maybe negative 671 00:38:40.199 --> 00:38:43.019 parts are, but I think even we could see maybe, 672 00:38:43.639 --> 00:38:46.219 freestyle they've got people who get injured in between those 673 00:38:46.260 --> 00:38:47.920 times and you're like dang now we're never getting the 674 00:38:47.960 --> 00:38:48.949 best people out there. 675 00:38:49.389 --> 00:38:52.190 That's the problem it's like which conversation are we having 676 00:38:52.250 --> 00:38:54.230 do you is it is it because we're selecting the 677 00:38:54.250 --> 00:38:56.909 team in april or is it because we're we're taking 678 00:38:56.949 --> 00:38:59.550 the legs out of some of our guys competitively who 679 00:38:59.670 --> 00:39:03.090 aren't like let's face it there's guys in a world 680 00:39:03.110 --> 00:39:06.670 team trials tournament and it's not through any fault of 681 00:39:06.710 --> 00:39:11.340 their own but they're not going to make the team 682 00:39:11.480 --> 00:39:14.079 and they're not going to make national team. They're just 683 00:39:14.159 --> 00:39:17.250 not ready yet. It's not, it's not their fault. It's 684 00:39:17.289 --> 00:39:19.530 not a knock against them, but they're not ready yet. 685 00:39:19.530 --> 00:39:23.659 They might be like in a year or two or three, 686 00:39:23.659 --> 00:39:28.030 but it's like, okay, well, how are we supposed to, 687 00:39:28.030 --> 00:39:28.889 you know. 688 00:39:28.880 --> 00:39:32.199 Like if my, my earlier self had started at this 689 00:39:32.280 --> 00:39:35.880 point now, it'd be a lot harder maybe to like 690 00:39:36.239 --> 00:39:38.780 get any growth. Cause I'm only getting one turn a year. 691 00:39:40.469 --> 00:39:41.730 That's kind of what I'm saying. 692 00:39:41.789 --> 00:39:42.429 It's just, yeah. 693 00:39:42.849 --> 00:39:43.130 Right. 694 00:39:43.730 --> 00:39:44.250 For sure. 695 00:39:45.070 --> 00:39:48.150 That's something that I just think needs to be fixed. 696 00:39:48.489 --> 00:39:51.539 And yeah, whether or not it is able to get fixed. 697 00:39:51.559 --> 00:39:53.920 I have no idea, but I mean, I just don't 698 00:39:53.980 --> 00:39:57.750 know why it seems like, um, it seems like Greco 699 00:39:57.769 --> 00:40:00.050 got a lot of people there. I mean, you know, I'm, 700 00:40:00.309 --> 00:40:03.150 I think the tournaments will fill. We've been getting foreigners 701 00:40:03.190 --> 00:40:05.570 to show up to these camps a lot. Like we 702 00:40:05.610 --> 00:40:11.489 saw hungry Japan. Um, who else came out here? Um, 703 00:40:12.190 --> 00:40:13.489 We've had a few different. 704 00:40:13.510 --> 00:40:18.130 Oh, gosh. I mean, you've had Hungary, Japan. We've had Georgia. Georgia, yeah. 705 00:40:18.510 --> 00:40:20.969 Last year. I mean, we got Ukraine this year. We 706 00:40:20.989 --> 00:40:22.130 had Ukraine last year. 707 00:40:22.429 --> 00:40:24.550 If we could get the timing right for those guys 708 00:40:24.590 --> 00:40:27.070 to be here, hey, like, we're going to do a tournament. Cool. 709 00:40:28.250 --> 00:40:31.610 Sign them up and let's get it. You know? Like, 710 00:40:32.190 --> 00:40:33.710 maybe it's a timing thing. Because I don't know where 711 00:40:33.750 --> 00:40:36.309 they're at with their training cycles. But I know, you know, 712 00:40:36.329 --> 00:40:40.090 Herb probably knows that. And it could be figured out. 713 00:40:40.630 --> 00:40:41.369 It could be figured out. 714 00:40:44.289 --> 00:40:49.090 And that was 2026 World Team member Tim Young, 97 kilos, 715 00:40:49.150 --> 00:40:52.019 Army W cap, and he is on the cusp, mere 716 00:40:52.039 --> 00:40:57.539 days away from competing in his first major senior world championships. 717 00:40:58.420 --> 00:41:01.300 He was on the military world roster in 2024, and 718 00:41:01.340 --> 00:41:05.710 he was on the cadet roster in 2014. And the 719 00:41:05.750 --> 00:41:09.710 military world championships, depending on the year,

depending on the bracket, 720 00:41:10.469 --> 00:41:14.699 the military world championships, now look, in terms of It's 721 00:41:14.780 --> 00:41:17.360 not like the UWW Senior Worlds. 722 00:41:17.440 --> 00:41:17.840 It's not. 723 00:41:19.360 --> 00:41:22.730 But a lot of times those brackets are pretty darn 724 00:41:22.769 --> 00:41:29.070 close in quality. And so... It's not a joke. It's 725 00:41:29.110 --> 00:41:31.630 not a joke. But it's been different for Tim since 726 00:41:31.690 --> 00:41:35.750 he's made the team in April. Because he has gotten 727 00:41:36.030 --> 00:41:40.949 way more travel. Way more time on target with international 728 00:41:40.989 --> 00:41:42.369 guys than he had previously. 729 00:41:43.110 --> 00:41:43.269 And. 730 00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:46.380 He brings a different look compared to most of the 731 00:41:47.619 --> 00:41:51.780 sort of traditional linear 97s you see, especially from Europe, 732 00:41:51.960 --> 00:41:56.110 but in general. And there's a lot more dynamics to 733 00:41:56.139 --> 00:42:00.369 Tim's game. He has different threats to offer. And so 734 00:42:00.389 --> 00:42:02.710 he should be exciting. This should be a very exciting 735 00:42:02.730 --> 00:42:06.570 World Championships. It's an important one. It's the last one 736 00:42:06.650 --> 00:42:10.800 before Olympic qualifying, which begins at the World Championships next year, 737 00:42:11.659 --> 00:42:14.800 which will be in Las Vegas. So Uh, there are 738 00:42:14.860 --> 00:42:18.969 implications all over the place and it's going to be something, 739 00:42:18.989 --> 00:42:21.150 it's going to be something. And before we go and 740 00:42:21.190 --> 00:42:23.989 close out with the social media handles and all that, 741 00:42:24.050 --> 00:42:27.650 let's go to the schedule courtesy of my son, Turner, 742 00:42:28.789 --> 00:42:31.829 who likes to be called TJ, but, uh, either way he, 743 00:42:32.469 --> 00:42:34.769 I had him do the read for the, uh, world 744 00:42:34.789 --> 00:42:36.610 championship schedule. So here that goes. 745 00:42:37.230 --> 00:42:40.780 The schedule for the World Championships is as follows. And remember, 746 00:42:40.800 --> 00:42:43.300 the schedule starts off really well as far as Greco 747 00:42:43.340 --> 00:42:47.079 is concerned because wrestling actually begins on Saturday, so there 748 00:42:47.099 --> 00:42:49.239 will be four weight classes for the Day 1 group, 749 00:42:49.500 --> 00:42:53.110 three for Day 2, and another three for Day 3. This, 750 00:42:53.150 --> 00:42:55.550 of course, excludes those who may advance on the second 751 00:42:55.590 --> 00:42:58.849 day of their respective groups and overlap into the next one. 752 00:42:59.309 --> 00:43:03.739 So on Saturday, October 24th, wrestling begins at 10.30 a.m. 753 00:43:03.800 --> 00:43:07.030 local time in Astana. On the east coast of the U.S., 754 00:43:07.510 --> 00:43:12.710 that is 2.30 a.m. But if you're on the west coast, well, 755 00:43:12.730 --> 00:43:15.690 kudos to you, because then it's only 11.30 p.m. on 756 00:43:15.789 --> 00:43:19.570 Friday night. The start time on Saturday is the same 757 00:43:19.590 --> 00:43:22.469 for each day of the tournament. The slight differences come 758 00:43:22.489 --> 00:43:26.210 with the semifinal and medal match rounds and Wednesday three hits. 759 00:43:27.110 --> 00:43:30.289 For Saturday, the semifinals start at 7 p.m. Since it's 760 00:43:30.449 --> 00:43:34.389 day one, no medal matches being that it's a two-day format. 761 00:43:35.150 --> 00:43:38.469 On Sunday, the semifinals are being pushed up all the 762 00:43:38.510 --> 00:43:41.070 way to 4.45 in the afternoon. 763 00:43:41.750 --> 00:43:42.429 Why, guys? 764 00:43:42.670 --> 00:43:46.199 Because medal matches will begin at 6 p.m. local time. 765 00:43:46.989 --> 00:43:49.800 On Monday, the schedule stays the same as Sundays for 766 00:43:49.860 --> 00:43:53.840 all sessions. Schedule does deviate a little on Tuesday for semifinals, 767 00:43:54.199 --> 00:43:57.980 which are at 4.30 p.m. start time. Should the U.S. 768 00:43:58.019 --> 00:44:00.829 have guys from the third group going on Tuesday to 769 00:44:00.869 --> 00:44:03.820 rep a charge? Round two. just as it is for 770 00:44:03.960 --> 00:44:09.019 all other days, starts on 10.30 a.m. with their medal 771 00:44:09.059 --> 00:44:11.199 matches commencing at 6 p.m. 772 00:44:12.920 --> 00:44:16.340 And there was 10-year-old Turner doing the read for the schedule. 773 00:44:16.380 --> 00:44:20.820 He did a great job. Very professional. I made sure 774 00:44:20.889 --> 00:44:27.010 that he pronounced re-pe-cha-ge, or re-pe-cha-ge, or however you say 775 00:44:27.030 --> 00:44:32.679 it in French. I made sure he pronounced it re-pe-charge, okay? Yeah, 776 00:44:32.699 --> 00:44:34.929 there's no R in it. That's how I pronounce it. 777 00:44:34.929 --> 00:44:37.369 We're in the United States of America. That's how Repicharge 778 00:44:37.429 --> 00:44:40.250 is going to be pronounced. Anytime you see that word 779 00:44:41.269 --> 00:44:46.489 written in a five-point move article, say it to yourself 780 00:44:46.550 --> 00:44:53.360 as Repicharge, okay? Don't pronounce it all French. It's Repicharge. Anyway, 781 00:44:53.400 --> 00:45:00.710 so here we are. World Championships. Everything moves fast. Very, 782 00:45:00.750 --> 00:45:05.250 very fast when it comes to team selection in April. 783 00:45:06.030 --> 00:45:09.570 And then there's the camps. And then there's the tournaments, 784 00:45:10.469 --> 00:45:13.719 of which there were two in the summer for the seniors. 785 00:45:13.760 --> 00:45:18.780 There was the Hungarian tournament ranking series, and then there 786 00:45:18.840 --> 00:45:24.550 was obviously Poland, Pilsinski. So, no breather. Here it is, 787 00:45:25.190 --> 00:45:28.409 staring everybody in the face. If you are hearing this 788 00:45:28.489 --> 00:45:33.519 before the

World Championships, then there should be what we 789 00:45:33.559 --> 00:45:38.969 call a flow point move preview of the United States 790 00:45:39.010 --> 00:45:44.110 World Team heading into the 2026 World Championships. And if 791 00:45:44.150 --> 00:45:48.590 you're hearing this after the World Championships, hopefully we put 792 00:45:48.769 --> 00:45:55.090 together a sterling, stellar performance, perhaps even history-making, who knows. 793 00:45:56.289 --> 00:45:58.889 There's a lot of talent on this roster. There's a 794 00:45:59.090 --> 00:46:05.039 lot of experience, and there's also some new blood. Otto Black, 795 00:46:05.099 --> 00:46:08.460 first-time World Team member. Sure, he's got a U23 World 796 00:46:08.480 --> 00:46:11.840 Bronze and a Junior Silver, but this is his first 797 00:46:11.860 --> 00:46:14.550 Senior World Tournament, and we saw what he could do 798 00:46:14.889 --> 00:46:19.809 against top seniors this year. Joel Adams, first Senior World Tournament. 799 00:46:21.969 --> 00:46:26.570 Super talented, just... What a dynamic athlete, which is so 800 00:46:26.590 --> 00:46:31.400 much upside. And then Mr. Young. Okay, first-time world team member. 801 00:46:32.780 --> 00:46:36.840 And so there's your sort of new guys, I guess. 802 00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:41.000 And then you go down the list. 55 kilos max. 803 00:46:42.880 --> 00:46:44.639 Let's see. I don't even know what world team this is. 804 00:46:44.679 --> 00:46:44.800 Four. 805 00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:46.800 19. 806 00:46:46.800 --> 00:46:48.800 21. 807 00:46:48.800 --> 00:46:58.230 22. 22. And, yeah, four-year break, 26. Dalton, I think 808 00:46:58.250 --> 00:47:03.559 this is three. Xavier, this is two. Benji, I believe 809 00:47:03.579 --> 00:47:09.300 this is three. Kamal, this is, I don't even know. 810 00:47:10.219 --> 00:47:14.769 What is Kamal? Oh, gosh, I got to think about this. Yeah, 811 00:47:14.809 --> 00:47:17.369 I used to be sharp. I really, I used to 812 00:47:17.389 --> 00:47:24.829 be sharp. All right, so let's see. 2018. Okay. 22. 23. 813 00:47:24.829 --> 00:47:28.989 Olympic team 24. Well, Dalton Olympic team 24, technically too. 814 00:47:28.989 --> 00:47:29.050 25. 815 00:47:29.030 --> 00:47:31.059 So not counting 24. So I don't know. Maybe you're 816 00:47:31.079 --> 00:47:51.070 counting with me. I'm tired. So 2018, 2022. Right? 2023, 2025... Okay, 817 00:47:52.289 --> 00:48:00.199 number five for Kamal. My goodness. Becca, number three. And Colton... 818 00:47:59.539 --> 00:48:03.559 I think this is number three, isn't it? Is it 819 00:48:03.579 --> 00:48:07.219 three or four? 21, 22, 23... Five for Colton? Oh, man. Anyway... Look, 820 00:48:07.500 --> 00:48:08.250 this is a. 821 00:48:18.849 --> 00:48:25.250 Very strong roster and they're all going against the best 822 00:48:25.289 --> 00:48:26.769 Greco Roman wrestlers in the world. 823 00:48:26.789 --> 00:48:28.050 Okay. 824 00:48:29.139 --> 00:48:30.780 And I'm not going to go and do a deep 825 00:48:30.820 --> 00:48:33.599 dive in the difference between the Olympics and the world championships. 826 00:48:35.159 --> 00:48:40.340 Same time, the world championships are the world championships. It's 827 00:48:41.219 --> 00:48:44.750 the hardest tournament in sports. And here it is staring 828 00:48:44.789 --> 00:48:51.340 everyone in the face. Social media concerns. Social media concerns. 829 00:48:51.380 --> 00:48:54.219 Let's do social media concerns while I'm doing red light therapy. 830 00:48:54.920 --> 00:48:58.900 To follow Tim Young on Instagram. You can do so. 831 00:48:59.199 --> 00:49:03.820 This is a good one. At Tim So Fresh Young. 832 00:49:03.840 --> 00:49:05.599 Okay. 833 00:49:05.739 --> 00:49:09.909 I'll say that one more time. Tim So Fresh Young. 834 00:49:11.630 --> 00:49:14.530 To follow Dennis Hall. Well, Instagram. Who knows what's going 835 00:49:14.570 --> 00:49:17.849 on with him. But you could do so on X 836 00:49:19.250 --> 00:49:25.590 at DennisHallWGW. And for USA Greco-Roman news and athlete perspective, 837 00:49:25.670 --> 00:49:30.050 please go to 5pointmove. com. And as always, follow along on 838 00:49:30.260 --> 00:49:33.800 X at 5, the number 5 PT move. That's it 839 00:49:33.860 --> 00:49:36.699 for episode 70, everybody. Thanks for listening, and we'll see 840 00:49:36.719 --> 00:49:37.380 you soon.