Full Transcript for Zipporah Corser-Anu Is Her Mum Christine's Biggest Fan

Speaker 1: It's my favorite thing. I love kids. 00:05:56 Speaker 4: I love educating kids and empowering in informing kids and realizing that you know, there's a lot more to this world than just oh no, it's school and we're gonna. 00:06:09 Speaker 1: All die, like giving them that inspiration. 00:06:11 Speaker 4: As you know, in year eleven, year ten, I realized I have a lot of you know, privilege when it comes to culture, Like I grew up. 00:06:20 Speaker 1: With all of it right here, Like I everything that I should know about my culture and who I am. I have that information. 00:06:29 Speaker 4: And so I was like, I'm in a very privileged position, and I want to empower kids that you know, don't have as much information as I do for them to go and find it themselves. So yeah, then I went to Bangara, and then after Bangara, had a little break come of going what am I doing with myself? And then I worked at South Cares South City Rabbito's doing their cultural workshops educating, and yeah, now I'm at another educate job, so you know, other than my other jobs like my music and I work at Triple J. 00:07:07 Speaker 1: That's I love educating. I would never not do it. 00:07:10 Speaker 2: Absolutely, I feel like that is I'm just shell shocked. I think, like when I think about how you show you up for yourself, it's just so beautiful to hear that there's so much more to you than just the music part. And I know that that can probably that's what people see on the outside, but your passion and I guess your what your motivations are, which are for young people and to show and educate young people and to inspire them. 00:07:43 Speaker 3: And you how old are you now? 00:07:45 Speaker 1: Is it like you turned twenty three yesterday exactly. 00:07:49 Speaker 2: And like, oh god, I don't know if I would have been as mature as you as at twenty three. If I'm being honest, like it's it's very it's an inspiration. Thank you for sharing that because I think that itself, like I if I was, Yeah, if I were you, I'd be very very proud of that what you're. 00:08:07 Speaker 3: Achieving and what you're doing right now, and it's a blessing. 00:08:10 Speaker 2: And I think a lot of young people who don't have that connection to culture, like I guess myself, I was very disconnected from it because of my experience, I guess my environment. I really love that you are connected, that you can show us how. 00:08:28 Speaker 3: Like what that can look like. So thank you for sharing that because I think it's really beautiful. 00:08:33 Speaker 2: I do want to touch on, like I guess, your culture and that connection, because do you feel like when we talk about First Nations culture or when we talk about Aboriginal culture, do you feel like the torust strike kind of kind of get sort of shifted to the side sometimes? Do you feel like we sometimes don't often like I think a lot of people know what the Aboriginal flag looks like, but then sometimes people don't, Like I'm talking about general

Australia really not First Nations culture, but within mob, Like, do you feel like torostraight don't get acknowledged as not as much. 00:09:12 Speaker 4: I say that we're a minority within a minority. Yeah, we're about eighty three thousand. 00:09:19 Speaker 3: Wow, in the whole of austraparative too. Yeah, yeah exactly. So, yeah, that's crazy. 00:09:24 Speaker 1: Only eighty three thousand people. 00:09:26 Speaker 2: And do most most people live in the Torostrad or they're so spread out now they're like, yeah, it's crazy. 00:09:34 Speaker 4: If people don't really understand the concept or what the to rest raic kind of looks like, is that we are seventeen inhabited islands. 00:09:41 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's crazy. 00:09:42 Speaker 4: And also there's two hundred other islands that aren't inhabited. It's very regional remote that is a remote community in the utmost remoteness you are in the ocean and there's only one town that has a post office and hospital and all those big shops. So no, not everyone can live in the Torres Strait because it's just not a very livable place for today's environment. 00:10:10 Speaker 1: You can't. 00:10:10 Speaker 4: Everyone's already got a job up there, so there's not as many jobs that need to be filled. So they come down to either Cans Townsville, Brisbane. There's a lot of mob over in w A families who out there because of the railroad up there. 00:10:24 Speaker 1: My grandfather he built the railroad and they have the world record. 00:10:32 Speaker 4: His name was miss Ron and he's from Mabiog Island, which is the Western region, and they speak color lago Ya. And Mom grew up on Mabiog when she was a kid, so she got to learn her mother's language Color which is top Western, and then she learned color lago Ya living there in her stepfather being from Mubiog, So mum grew up speaking a lot of different dialects. It's not just English her mum's language, it was mother's father's English and then which is like a culmination of all these different languages that was kind of created in World War two, so that everybody that was stationed or had to go through the torrest strait could communicate with each other. 00:11:13 Speaker 3: Wow. And so growing up, did your mom just teach you this in every aspect? 00:11:19 Speaker 2: You know? Like did she like tell you stories and yarns? Or did you learn in the schools that you went to? Like what was that experience? 00:11:28 Speaker 1: Did I learned anything at the school? 00:11:30 Speaker 3: I know? 00:11:31 Speaker 1: I know there was nothing that that school was teaching me that I didn't already know. Teach me. 00:11:38 Speaker 4: We just live and breathe it, like it is just as vital and as just as implemented in your daily routine as brushing your teeth and wapping your ass. 00:11:47 Speaker 1: It's the same. It's it's drummed in you. 00:11:49 Speaker 4: It's it's habitual. You know, you live and breathe that, and you wake up with it. So I don't actually see it as mum teaching me. She's instilled it in me. I have that rather than her going all right, sit down, I'm going to teach you a lesson. It's those little things you know, you wake up Like I watched my brother do it to his son. Is that that little boy who you know, he's got blonde hair, curly blonde hair and he's got my color skin. 00:12:16 Speaker 1: But that little boy is the blackest kid I've ever met in my life. 00:12:20 Speaker 3: Because of you know, the like him instelling all that culture. 00:12:24 Speaker 4: And yeah, that is a one black little baby and he's going to grow up knowing that. But then he's going to have that complex like I had. 00:12:32 Speaker 3: I hope not the walking in two worlds kind of thing. Yea. 00:12:38 Speaker 4: His mom is so good at, you know, also teaching him and really making it essential in his life and his daily routine is knowing who he is and where he comes from. 00:12:50 Speaker 3: Yeah, let's talk about music. 00:13:01 Speaker 2: So you said you loved dancing and you love educating and you started, you know, you were working with young people. 00:13:12 Speaker 3: Was this always a thing for you in terms? 00:13:15 Speaker 2: Did you just love performing because maybe of your parents, or was it just something that you thought that you would do? 00:13:23 Speaker 3: Like where did it? Where did it come from? In the first place? 00:13:26 Speaker 1: I wish I was good at something else? 00:13:28 Speaker 3: Yeah I knew, tell me what. 00:13:31 Speaker 4: We show you videos of me at three years old, showing you who that I am, And like, I always wanted to sing and I always wanted to dance, But I wish I was good at something else. I wish I had interest or capability of doing STEM, but I just can't science, technology, engineering, and mathematics. I wish I just was good at something other than the arts, because there's no money and there's no like proper, you know, career pot It's all very self forged. There's nobody there to help you. There's no institutions that give you jobs at the drop of a hat. There's no It's hard, but I knew this is what I wanted to do forever, and there was not really like a other, you know, thing to do. My brother's really really amazing at AFL. 00:14:20 Speaker 1: He was very athletic, so he got that. But he can also sing. But yeah, no, I love educating. I'm just not good at this stuff behind it Like I teach in my culture and that's it. 00:14:32 Speaker 2: Yeah wow, Okay, So then when when was were the first time you? I guess, when was the moment You're like, I'm going to make this career? 00:14:43 Speaker 1: Was it always I had my hip reconstruction? Oh shit? Yeah, I was sixteen and I had a hip reconstruction. 00:14:49 Speaker 3: Oh my god, girl? 00:14:50 Speaker 1: Yeah? Why why? 00:14:52 Speaker 4: I was dance dancing thirty six hours a week at some point for about two years two three years. I would go morning classes, dance at school, and then do my dance school classes. So we were dancing quite

a lot. And then when I wasn't doing that, I was doing these long stints of like nine to three pm. So I was dancing quite a lot. And then I was mucking around with my brother and he chucked me up. In the end, I landed on my back and that kind of it didn't break anything, It just kind of moved my joints and we just never could fully find out what had happened. 00:15:31 Speaker 1: But then I started to get this really. 00:15:33 Speaker 4: Dull, weird pain numbness in my back on the bottom of my lower back. And then my hip was being really weird, and I went, you know, what doesn't matter, and then I was like, no, actually this is not going away. Then, after many many different kinds of appointments, we realized that I had undiagnosed hip displeasure. So when babies are borne, he. 00:15:55 Speaker 1: Checked their hips, you see if they're clicking. 00:15:58 Speaker 4: But the nurse said to my mum, oh, she'll be fine, just you know, maybe just keep an eye on it. Whereas I should have been double nappied, I should have had a cast because my hip joint was eighteen degrees outside of my hip socket. 00:16:13 Speaker 2: Whoa yeah, and they just didn't pick it up like they picked it up, but they were like, she'ld grow out of this, She'll be fine. 00:16:20 Speaker 4: Like yeah, they said, thank god they caught it when I was sixteen, because they hadn't, I'd have to get a whole replacement close to thirty. 00:16:29 Speaker 3: Oh my god, girl. 00:16:31 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I quickly had to make that decision. 00:16:34 Speaker 4: I did my last dance performance and then I had the operation on the twentieth of December and then got. 00:16:41 Speaker 1: Out Christmas Day. 00:16:43 Speaker 4: I was in the orthopedic ward. If you know anything about hospitals, that's where all the oldies are. I was the youngest they reckoned by sixty years. Oh my low youngest person by sixty years. 00:16:53 Speaker 3: You know what, even old soul, that's fine. He was. 00:16:57 Speaker 1: So fine. So yeah, then I had to go, you know what, I have to sing now there's no other thing to do. 00:17:03 Speaker 2: You made a choice, yeah, yeah, wow, And I guess being in the industry, like how long have you been in the industry now since that moment? So you're twenty three so seven years yeah, h a bit less, Like how much have you been immersed into it and like collaborating and like creating music. 00:17:24 Speaker 4: I would say that I've I myself singularly. Yeah, I've been in the industry. 00:17:30 Speaker 3: Yes, as as you since nineteen. 00:17:34 Speaker 4: So I think my first like solo proper gig was like like nineteen but I, oh my god, I'd should have break every time I'd. 00:17:41 Speaker 1: Have to do it. I don't know how. 00:17:44 Speaker 2: I'm honestly not gonna lie like, I don't know how you do it because I've done karaoke and in front of. 00:17:50 Speaker 1: People exactly the same obviously wait no. 00:17:52 Speaker 2: No, not the same, but just standing up and just like singing

too a mic to someone absolutely not. 00:17:58 Speaker 1: Like it's there, it's not. 00:18:00 Speaker 4: But like having to do that away from Mum for the first year was quite daunting because people actually have to stare at you and you. 00:18:08 Speaker 1: Can't hide bhy on anything. 00:18:10 Speaker 4: And I'm like, I don't really have any of my own songs that I'm willing to share or prepare. I'm like so used to singing Mum songs. But I think my first proper gig I was nineteen. Yeah, it was like when COVID was still very much had restrictions and everything. So I was okay to kind of do the smaller ones and then things had to get bigger. But when I left school, Mum had offered, she goes, do you want to be my backing singer? And I went she was cool, all right, so you're coming to this rehearsal. 00:18:37 Speaker 1: I had no choice. 00:18:38 Speaker 4: Yeah, she knew that I had the potential. She just she put me in that position so that I would rise to the occasion. Because let's get this straight. If I was shit, she wouldn't have brought me on as a backing singer. 00:18:51 Speaker 1: She did that. Woman has worked way too hard to have a shit backing singer. And it's also like, you know, I'm learning on the job, like I'm doing the big gigs. I don't. 00:19:04 Speaker 4: I don't have the time to muck around an RSL like I'm getting put on the big ones straight away. So I learned at ten times the pace as an average espe starting out in the music industry. But Mum had that as well. She was opening, you know, she was singing with you Got the Indie and Paul Kelly and the rain Makers, Neil Murray, like she was doing the pub gigs for already quite infamous people. So she kind of went, you know what, I'm going to do the same to her because I know that she's capable of doing it. 00:19:35 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:19:35 Speaker 2: Wow, that's powerful because she's done it. So she's like, you know what, I know I'm going to chuck you in. 00:19:41 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:19:43 Speaker 2: That no, and I can't imagine and especially in that that age, like you know, how do you sort of like find yourself and find your feet in that when you're getting pulled this way, pulled that way? 00:19:53 Speaker 3: Like how did you deal with the pressure of that? 00:19:55 Speaker 1: A lot of pretending? 00:19:56 Speaker 3: Yeah, fake it too. 00:19:58 Speaker 4: Well, the thing is you're your brain doesn't know any different if you are doing what you're not doing. 00:20:03 Speaker 1: If you fake it, your brain knows that you're doing it. 00:20:05 Speaker 4: Yeah, like truly, it's so the thing that I read was that if you make up a scenario in your brain and you visualize it, your brain cannot tell whether that's real or fake. 00:20:15 Speaker 3: Truly. Actually that's a visualization and cools accurate actualizations exactly visually. 00:20:22 Speaker 4: So if you're faking it, your nervous system is going, okay, we're doing it anyway. 00:20:27 Speaker 1: So you just have to coach yourself

through that, and I mean, just hold your breath. That's it. 00:20:35 Speaker 3: What was the first performance that you did with your mom that was like, holy shit, this is crazy, Like, well, she i'd had that hip operation in December and then survival days. 00:20:46 Speaker 1: She'd had a gig and gone doing a deal with me and I went over surgery. 00:20:51 Speaker 4: Yeah, so I had to wheel to the sand circle in my wheelchair and then they'd help me out the wheelchair and they'd walk onto the sand circle. 00:20:59 Speaker 1: And that was the first Did you. 00:21:01 Speaker 3: Have to stand the whole time? 00:21:02 Speaker 1: Yeah? 00:21:04 Speaker 4: I could stand, I just couldn't really walk. And also the sand was wet and so unstable, so I was like, oh my gosh. 00:21:12 Speaker 1: But yeah, that was it was that was on TV. 00:21:14 Speaker 3: That was televised. They get you on the wheel do they keet your wheelchair? 00:21:20 Speaker 1: No, thank god. But they're just photos of me going I'm in the wheelchair. I just learned how to walk again. 00:21:27 Speaker 3: Yeah, I can imagine. 00:21:28 Speaker 2: I've seen like my dad's friends recover from hip replacements, and I'm like, holy moly, Like it's like fully learning how to walk and like do normal things again. 00:21:40 Speaker 3: Like I can't imagine having to do that at like what sixteen. 00:21:43 Speaker 1: Oh, but we're way more adjusted. 00:21:47 Speaker 2: I mean we can your bones are still like, yeah, I think at that when you're young, like your bones are still nimble and like still can grow, et cetera. But like, still you're still going through it. It's still traumatic, like going under and experience. So the biggest sleep. Hey, I've gone like under five times. 00:22:05 Speaker 3: I'm like, you know what, I'm gonna have the best sleep of my life. It's fine. 00:22:07 Speaker 2: Indeed, I remember watching your performance at the Grand Final, and I want to know what that experience was like. 00:22:15 Speaker 3: Was that terrifying for you or was it like this is I had laryngitis. Oh my god, girl, you've been through the works. 00:22:23 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I tell you that was the most stressful moment I had. 00:22:26 Speaker 4: Come from a songwriting camp no that week, and then I remember being in the studio going. 00:22:32 Speaker 1: Something's not right. It feels really weird. 00:22:35 Speaker 4: Then I said to the organizer, was like, hey, I'm gonna have to go the doctor. We've got afl in like two days. I'm gonna have to go and figure something out. 00:22:43 Speaker 1: Get there. Doctor goes, Yep, we've got laryngitis. And I went, how did you sing through that? I pumped steroids? 00:22:52 Speaker 2: Okay, so they gave you drugs and yes, there going in your brain that thinking, holy shit, like am I gonna be able to like actually singing? 00:23:01 Speaker 1: Like yeah, no, I was. I was so scared. 00:23:04 Speaker 2: Wow, I was terrified you would not be payfl Yeah one D and you're singing to what what's the stadium? 00:23:10 Speaker 3: Like eighty five one hundred thousand people? 00:23:14 Speaker 1: Terrifying and then television. 00:23:16 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I was looking good doing it, like I was hoping and praying, praying and hoping. Yeah, you're a born pop star because I could never one hundred was just like that, you have to. 00:23:26 Speaker 1: It's all the adrenaline. Yeah, but also mind you. 00:23:29 Speaker 4: It was the most kind of I don't want to say underwhelming, but I like, it's all done in two minutes. 00:23:37 Speaker 1: You go on there, sing and then you blink and then go on and it's out. You're it just happened so fast you can barely remember it. 00:23:46 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's well how long how many songs have you stay? 00:23:50 Speaker 1: One? 00:23:50 Speaker 3: Yeah? So then song boom done? 00:23:54 Speaker 1: Know yeah yeah, and then it's out of it and you just go, oh, is that it? It is done? Oh no. 00:24:01 Speaker 2: But in that moment that there is I don't think you realize like there is so much gravity and weight in that performance, And I can't even imagine like being the people that actually have to do that, because that song like sends a lot of people like it makes a lot of people emotional, like even if they're not from the island, like it just is that song just makes people feel like at home and met peace and you're singing it, and I can't imagine the pressure and the weight of you having to do that performance, but let alone then the weight of like what it means for other people. And I know you probably don't think about that, but just to give you fucking some grace and some like you know, hype up like it's you guys did an amazing fucking job on that, and I think it will go down in history. It was one of the best moments, especially for that industry, like the AFL, Like you know too, we I'm not there to watch us mind you watch again, you know what, It's always those performances that mean something for blackfellas. Honestly, like we we see that stuff. We noticed that stuff, and it means a lot to us. So okay, so tell us about generations and dynasties, dynasties which is matter to matter? This is a performance that you and your mum doing on the seventh of August, so literally this week. So what she gets back from cans, you guys do some rehearsal and then you pretty much go again. 00:25:35 Speaker 4: And Sydney, Yeah, I mean our first gig together was last weekend. Yeah, our last gig was in December before that, because mum's been doing Hadestown that musical. 00:25:47 Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, I went to watch it. It was fucking she was so good. 00:25:53 Speaker 1: She was incredible. She killed that. 00:25:55 Speaker 4: Like she's such a musical theater queen, but she hadn't do musical theater a really long time. So that was a break for you know, her Christian new band, but also a break to kind of reconnect with her crafty. I mean, you could say her roots, but you know, theater is her

roots. She you know, went to NASDA and she I think it really reset her brain in terms of, you know, working on your craft and different avenues and you know, when you go and do something else and then you come back to the thing that you do all the time, it gives. 00:26:31 Speaker 1: You that new perspective. And so she absolutely can I just. 00:26:35 Speaker 4: Say, she's just a beast like I will exact, I will never get over watching her. 00:26:42 Speaker 1: I was in the audition room with her because I I initially went for it. You were to see who's the main character, did you? 00:26:52 Speaker 4: I don't think I It'd be remissive me to then divert my focus away from my music when that's what I've been doing for the past four years working on my solo stuff. So I'm kind of like, you know what, this was an amazing opportunity to audition because it, you know, teaches you things time and time again. 00:27:12 Speaker 1: But I just was in there watching mom, and I just went, what this woman is insane like? 00:27:18 Speaker 4: And I'm watching the panel watch her, and I just go, they're feeling exactly what I'm feeling. That's my mom, Like, I couldn't even imagine what they're thinking in their brains. But yeah, that Black Day Out gig that we did last weekend incredible. That woman you know, that's a grandmother. Well, who else other grandmas can sing like that? That woman oft can sing like you? And I personally think not biased. Maybe she's definitely one of the best vocalists of all time out of this country I know, of all time. You can't you cannot tell me otherwise that who can sing like that. 00:27:56 Speaker 3: Exactly beautiful, proud of your mom, like that's an. 00:28:01 Speaker 4: Icon, Like that is she needs to be getting given her flowers immediately, like thirty years since styling up this year, thirty years her debut album. She is a trailblazer to say the least. She is just she's incredible, Like the what she has done, not only for the Australian entertainment industry, but for her people, not just Torstland people both. She's never just taken one flag like she's never just rerapped Torres straight. She's always brought Aboriginal community in the same sentence, in the same group. 00:28:37 Speaker 1: It's always both. 00:28:40 Speaker 4: But she's always done you know, she was the first of many's not just for Aboriginal people or like she's the first. 00:28:47 Speaker 1: Of many, many many. So my goal is that I want to get her an order Australian medal. She has to get one. She has to her service to the arts in Australia. 00:28:56 Speaker 2: Well that's how that's our protests now, is to to get her about Well, yeah, I don't know anyone in. 00:29:04 Speaker 3: That industry, but I'll I'll find a mouth, track them down and knock on their door, banging on the door. 00:29:11 Speaker 1: I'm going up there now? Yeah? 00:29:13 Speaker 3: Literally, Okay, so. 00:29:15 Speaker 2: This performance that you're so, you haven't performed on been on stage

with your mum since December? 00:29:21 Speaker 1: Did you say? Yeah? 00:29:22 Speaker 4: So we did a gig last weekend. But I've never performed at the Opera House before. I've danced in the concert hall before, but I've never Like, this is crazy. It's quite wild to say that you are singing at the Opera House first of all, like the most famous theater or concert hall or just building. 00:29:46 Speaker 1: Ever. Dare I say like that, you know, not only just for us? It's so iconic. 00:29:52 Speaker 4: And I went and saw Uncle Troy and Gem last year. I watched their generations and then the City's Before Moments, and they are so mother They are true proper storytellers them too, like watching them perform together, which I haven't really seen much of. 00:30:14 Speaker 1: They are just. 00:30:16 Speaker 4: The pinnacle of generational talent and like, yeah, that is what you want to see a parent and a child's relationship look like. It is just the most heartwarming and inspiring thing to see one father passing down his talents to his daughter and just seeing Gems flourishing, like it's just it was just incredible. 00:30:45 Speaker 3: Do you not feel like that that's what we see in you and Christine. 00:30:50 Speaker 4: It's different though, they're a different blend, like they are true storytellers and writers and poets of music. 00:31:00 Speaker 1: Mom and I come from. 00:31:00 Speaker 4: All of the backgrounds, like we have a dance background, theater background, performing, like it's a very different genre of music, a very different genre of performing and entertainment, because I feel with the cassa Daily family, they are such an intimate, humble like you're sitting and talking to their face when they. 00:31:24 Speaker 1: Sing to you. 00:31:25 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:31:26 Speaker 2: No, I remember the young writing is incredible, and so was Gems the an I TV like ten year. I think I've maybe seen you that when they perform there, and I just remember seeing Gem and I was like, this is crazy because we had Troy on the podcast and because my brother's name is Troy Troy and I honestly think it's because of Troy Cassadaily because my grandma such a big fan, Like you know, I grew up with his music same like sort of always been like country music at my heart until R and B came in, and you know, all this soul came in. But I can stick that music on and it just transforms me back to a place, and that's how it just inspired the. 00:32:11 Speaker 1: Hell out of me. 00:32:13 Speaker 4: I love the way that they are so giving their soul and their spirit, and that's why I was like, oh my god, please come mom when I do this, Please, please, please, just because I want to see I want people to know that it's not just glitter and gold with us. I feel like no one really truly knows who we are at the core and at the heart, and I feel like this is the perfect opportunity for people to be able to come in and actually listen to the origins of mum's career and then just exactly

what she's been able to give me and instill in me. 00:32:47 Speaker 1: And we are very very different individuals, but we come from the same woman. Yeah, like she. 00:32:56 Speaker 4: Man, I just when my mum speaks, you have to listen because there's so much substance and soul and wisdom. And just like she speaks the same voice as her old people, like verbatim, she will be talking like her great grandfather who her last album that's all his songs, So she has that spirit of very very old people, and yet she performs like the biggest pop star in the whole entire. 00:33:27 Speaker 2: World, Like that's a hard balance that I was going to say, like that's literally giving. I mean, Beyonce is in her own right, but like I feel like you when you were talking like all my picture is about you know, you and your mom and Trey and jam is that that's just such generational blessing being passed on and carried. And I think that's this is our partly our way of like doing that in terms of like our storytelling through music. 00:33:58 Speaker 1: My dad, it's a birthright. 00:34:01 Speaker 2: What it is. 00:34:02 Speaker 4: Song comes because you were born, Like people make songs for when you were born so that you can sing that song when your child is born. It's not a taught thing. It's a it's a genetic thing. It's actually in our dna to sing. Not just my family or the cassa daily family, all of our families. We wouldn't be here unless it was for song. There's just some people who were able to articulate that and have that duty and role in life. Some people are better than other things. It's it's an actual thing that we are meant to be carried. It's a birthright. 00:34:39 Speaker 2: I think that's beautiful. I love that talking about singing. I just want to know one more thing. So what's on the horizon for ZIP. 00:34:51 Speaker 1: I'm just very picky, you know, the right opportunity and the right. 00:35:00 Speaker 3: Your intuition with this or do you kind of go, nah, this is what I want. I'm going to go. 00:35:04 Speaker 4: It's definitely changed what I've wanted to release. Yeah, I think what I wanted to release a year ago is very different to what I want to release now. Okay, I think I was also very scared of my image being perceived. 00:35:18 Speaker 1: Being perceived at all is very scary. 00:35:20 Speaker 3: You know, putting yourself out there is very scary and having people judge you off, not just the way that you look, but also what you create, which I feel like writing is my thing that I get really scared of. It's very vulnerable to put something out there that is so close to me and it's my words, and so I can't even imagine that being something like a song, because there are your words, there are your emotions, and you're putting it out there and it's a vulnerability too. 00:35:47 Speaker 1: And then you've got to sing it too, and sing it well if you. 00:35:50 Speaker 3: Can exactly well. 00:35:52 Speaker 2: I've heard you perform. We know that you've got a beautiful voice, so you don't need to doubt yourself. In that case, I would love to see more music from you. I know that you're working, it's coming, and I have about got a stack of stuff coming. But I've got a single coming out next month. Okay, Yeah, I mean I say, depending on when I'm able to get my shit together. I'm just so nitpicky and perfectionist that like this could have come out a while ago if I wasn't like, no, it needs to be done like this, and there's and there's. I'm very strategic, like my idol is Beyonce. Do you not know how much work goes into YouTube. 00:36:31 Speaker 1: It is. 00:36:32 Speaker 4: I'm just so strategic with it. But I've got that single Consequences coming out. Let's say October to be safe, and then October I'll do it. 00:36:41 Speaker 1: Maybe a small tool, yeah maybe. 00:36:44 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:36:45 Speaker 4: I'm very excited for people. I've you know, kind of been sprinkling it across my social media, but yeah, I'm excited for people to to know who I am and what I sound like by myself. 00:36:57 Speaker 3: Separate too. 00:36:58 Speaker 2: Yeah, to your family, I mean, we have spoken much about your dad. I'm so sorry, not that I was neglecting your dad at all, but I feel like your parents you know, they've done such an amazing job with bringing you into this world and like your blessings that you offer to music, to storytelling, to your culture, it's just so beautiful and I feel very, very privileged and very lucky to talk to you today. There are New Duo are performing at Sydney Opera House on Thursday, seventh August. Get your tickets at starting at seven pm. I might have to fly in sis honestly, like I'm there on Wednesday, so much just like pop in you know, just just jump in the next day. But yeah, I'm looking forward to your new music coming out. I'm looking forward to what you do, and I hope that people will listen to this episode and get to know you for you and what you're trying to achieve in the world, which is some beautiful things. 00:37:54 Speaker 1: And I'm very trying, always trying. 00:37:56 Speaker 3: No, that's all we can do. 00:37:58 Speaker 2: And I think I've learned a lot from just this chat personally for my own self, you know, my own confidence. 00:38:06 Speaker 3: So thank you. You're an episode blessed. 00:38:08 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me on. 00:38:09 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, well that's all we have time for today. 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