Full Transcript for Failed-2-Fail EP-23 Shaquille Roberts

I'm horrible at it. 00:04:27.279 --> 00:04:30.480 And in gym, they'd say you just stand under the backboard and get the rebounds. 00:04:30.639 --> 00:04:35.199 So I never played, but I am smart enough to know that that is a huge cardio impact. 00:04:35.279 --> 00:04:45.120 And I'm sure all those years of running up and down the court probably carried over into your cardio and your ability to sustain long distance running as you got into that hobby, right? 00:04:45.680 --> 00:04:47.199 Oh, yes, yes, yes, for sure. 00:04:47.360 --> 00:04:57.839 There's um that's why when um even training for my first marathon, I told my coach I want to run, I want to run sub three, and he's like, like you're crazy. 00:04:57.920 --> 00:05:01.600 Like no one ever runs sub three on their first go-round. 00:05:01.759 --> 00:05:04.879 But I'm like, I'm already fit, like I'm already athletic. 00:05:05.120 --> 00:05:10.000 And later I came to find out that yeah, a marathon is a different beast. 00:05:12.160 --> 00:05:20.639 So when you met him, what was your sorry my mouse is dying here, what was your training program prior to you meeting him in the in Central Park? 00:05:21.839 --> 00:05:32.879 Um, it was like a regular 18 to 16 week training program where you probably start out with like 30 miles and probably get up to 60 miles a week. 00:05:33.120 --> 00:05:45.120 Um, and then you got a rest day and you got a a track day, and you just basically modify them as as much as you need to. 00:05:45.439 --> 00:05:52.800 So my issue really wasn't the exercises I was doing, my issue was the fueling. 00:05:52.959 --> 00:06:02.800 My issue was how much am I um how much sweat I'm sweating, how much um salt I'm losing, um my recovery as well. 00:06:02.959 --> 00:06:05.839 This is one thing I want to make very important on this podcast. 00:06:06.079 --> 00:06:08.160 Recovery is part of the workout. 00:06:08.399 --> 00:06:12.000 Like, I know you think like you're just gonna do the workout and then yeah, I'm done. 00:06:12.240 --> 00:06:20.399 No, recovery is part of it because you want to make sure you're as close as to 100% when you work out again. 00:06:20.720 --> 00:06:26.720 You don't want to work out today and then be at 60% and then the next workout, you're like at 70. 00:06:26.959 --> 00:06:30.399 It it then you don't you don't get the full benefit of the workout. 00:06:30.560 --> 00:06:37.040 So you want to work out after you work out, recover, foam roll, stretch. 00:06:37.279 --> 00:06:43.120 And that's so hard for runners because it's let's face it, we don't run because we enjoy running. 00:06:43.439 --> 00:06:44.319 Running sucks. 00:06:44.399 --> 00:06:47.360 We run because we enjoy the feeling we have after we run. 00:06:47.680 --> 00:07:00.560 And so, in order to get to the point where you're running three, four, five day times a week, it takes a lot of mental willpower and forcing yourself to do it. 00:07:00.800 --> 00:07:06.079 And as anybody knows, it takes 21 days to

either make a habit or break a habit. 00:07:06.319 --> 00:07:13.920 And so sometimes you get on that role where you're wanting to run every day, and you gotta tell yourself, slow down, fella, you're gonna hurt yourself, you know. 00:07:14.319 --> 00:07:18.079 And so it's it's hard, it's hard to do. 00:07:18.160 --> 00:07:22.639 I I often said, Uh, what's the first thing a runner says when he gets hit by a car? 00:07:23.680 --> 00:07:25.759 Shit, I won't be able to run tomorrow. 00:07:27.519 --> 00:07:31.040 That's the truth because once you get in that mindset, that's all you care about. 00:07:31.120 --> 00:07:33.439 It's like, and you have to recover. 00:07:33.839 --> 00:07:38.800 And a lot of people who maybe they're doing this for a weight loss thing, right? 00:07:38.879 --> 00:07:41.120 Or maybe they went to the gym and like I did. 00:07:41.519 --> 00:07:45.759 I when I was 35, I'm for I'm gonna turn 46 now. 00:07:45.839 --> 00:07:48.800 When I was 35, 36, I was working two jobs. 00:07:48.879 --> 00:07:53.120 I was working as a computer technician, I worked as a producer of an afternoon radio show. 00:07:53.279 --> 00:07:56.560 Um, and then sometimes after the show ended at six, I'd go back to work. 00:07:56.639 --> 00:08:06.399 So I was I was drinking like eight or nine Mountain Dews a day, a five-hour energy drink, three monster whites, and I literally and I was playing Xbox on the weekend. 00:08:06.639 --> 00:08:09.120 My wife and I were playing Call of Duty all the time. 00:08:09.439 --> 00:08:15.519 And from the age of nothing to 32, I was six foot five, weighed a buck seventy-five, buck eighty. 00:08:15.680 --> 00:08:17.120 I literally looked like a heroin addict. 00:08:17.199 --> 00:08:20.879 But after all those years of sitting on my ass, because I just always had a fast metabolism. 00:08:21.040 --> 00:08:22.319 I could eat whatever I wanted. 00:08:22.480 --> 00:08:25.519 I skateboarded daily from second grade until I was 21. 00:08:25.600 --> 00:08:29.759 I snowboarded for 13 years, so I had other ways of burn calories, and then all that stopped. 00:08:29.920 --> 00:08:34.639 I got older, my metabolism slowed down, the Xbox came in, and these ash jobs. 00:08:34.720 --> 00:08:40.879 I next thing I knew, I had two kidney stones and was looking down the barrel of 240 pounds. 00:08:41.200 --> 00:08:43.840 And the kidney stones was what did it. 00:08:44.080 --> 00:08:46.480 I dropped my soda cold turkey. 00:08:46.559 --> 00:08:48.320 Um, I stopped eating fast food. 00:08:48.399 --> 00:08:59.039 I'd go to lunch, I'd go to Publix and get uh shredded um lunch meat and cheese to shred it up, eat it in a bag with a pickle, greatly reduced, start going to the gym twice a day, get up in the morning. 00:08:59.120 --> 00:09:03.600 I was hitting it, I lost about 30 pounds, but then I injured myself in the gym. 00:09:03.679 --> 00:09:06.960 I hurt my elbow and I would I just messed myself up. 00:09:07.120 --> 00:09:10.399 And I got to talk to somebody, like, well, try running. 00:09:10.559 --> 00:09:12.240 Actually, running's better than going to the gym. 00:09:12.399 --> 00:09:14.480 Gym's to build muscle, you actually lose weight. 00:09:14.720 --> 00:09:21.919 And so, in order to minimize my fear of gaining the weight back, I started running, and that person was right, the weights started falling off. 00:09:22.000 --> 00:09:30.080 I started running more, and then I actually had to get to the point where I had to remind myself, hey, like as you were saying, you can't run every day, you need to recover. 00:09:30.240 --> 00:09:32.240 But there's also the importance of cross-training. 00:09:32.320 --> 00:09:33.840 Where do you sit at a cross-training? 00:09:33.919 --> 00:09:34.799 Are you strictly a runner? 00:09:34.879 --> 00:09:36.399 Do you fit gym in twice a week? 00:09:36.559 --> 00:09:38.000 How do you maintain that? 00:09:38.399 --> 00:09:43.440 I definitely cross-train, and um I also play different sports as well. 00:09:43.519 --> 00:10:01.440 I still play basketball um, uh, so I work out, I want to say I weightlift about twice a week, but I'm always doing something in terms of like increasing my muscle strength, like ISOs, which you really don't need weights for. 00:10:01.519 --> 00:10:08.799 You can just um hold a hole a lunge for about 30-45 seconds. 00:10:09.039 --> 00:10:12.399 Trust me, you think it's not it's nothing, but it's gonna start burning. 00:10:12.720 --> 00:10:31.600 Um and I I use bands as well, like uh certain bands, I put them around my ankles, um, just extend them and like try to keep my muscles um active, even though I'm not weightlifting, I'm still strengthening them in some type of way because you need that. 00:10:32.000 --> 00:10:34.720 Have you tooled around with yoga at all? 00:10:36.159 --> 00:10:36.799 I have not. 00:10:37.039 --> 00:10:39.840 Yoga can be a touchy subject, depending on you know the dude you're talking to. 00:10:42.480 --> 00:10:50.879 But I'll tell you what, um when I was going to the gym all the time, I'm a computer guy, I got a I got a hold of a bootleg copy of P90X, you know what I'm saying? 00:10:50.960 --> 00:10:59.600 So I had this bootleg copy of P90X, and I had it on a laptop, and because with my computer company, we would do trade shows from time to time, I had this projector. 00:10:59.759 --> 00:11:05.039 So I'd set this thing up in my garage in hot ass Florida, 90 degrees outside, means it's 110 in my garage. 00:11:05.200 --> 00:11:08.879 And the projector's making the room hotter because it was old school, not the LED. 00:11:08.960 --> 00:11:21.600 But I had a six-foot-tall image of P90X on my wall, so it was like being in a class, and so I would do that P90X as well, but part of that was the P90X stretch, and it was a mix between Pilates and yoga. 00:11:21.759 --> 00:11:26.159 And I started doing that, and I will tell you, um, try it. 00:11:26.320 --> 00:11:29.919 Just one day, pull up, you can go on YouTube right now

and find interest, dude. 00:11:30.080 --> 00:11:36.080 Just do the basic stuff, just the bends, uh, Warrior 1, Warrior 2 upper dog, it stretches your quads. 00:11:36.159 --> 00:11:42.320 Like, that's why you ever show up at 10K and like you got the weird people over there by the stage doing a they have like a yoga class going on. 00:11:42.559 --> 00:11:43.440 It actually helps. 00:11:43.600 --> 00:11:57.519 So if you find special on one of your recovery days, your quads are a little tight, or maybe you get that little twinge in your back, or maybe your shoulders, you know, because huff net water, you know, well, you run a wear a hydro vest now, but you know, your shoulders and your arms do get tired from that constant movement. 00:11:57.759 --> 00:12:00.000 Try some basic entry-level yoga. 00:12:00.080 --> 00:12:05.440 You'll be surprised on how that stretching on your off days will actually help you run. 00:12:05.679 --> 00:12:10.960 And it it'll it'll go and plus as you get older, it'll help you maintain the ability to run. 00:12:11.039 --> 00:12:13.440 So oh yeah, for sure. 00:12:13.519 --> 00:12:33.039 I've like been telling myself like Shaq, you need to try this thing because like it it's like I I've been getting tighter and tighter as the years go on, and it's like the the regular excuse me, the regular stretching before running is you need more than that. 00:12:33.840 --> 00:12:34.960 I'm about to blow your mind. 00:12:35.039 --> 00:12:35.840 You ready for this? 00:12:36.720 --> 00:12:38.480 I need you got the stats for me. 00:12:39.039 --> 00:12:41.279 Achilles hope impossibility. 00:12:41.919 --> 00:12:45.200 Was that one of your first races that you ran? 00:12:46.799 --> 00:12:47.919 Oh, no. 00:12:48.559 --> 00:12:52.879 So so that was was that uh the 5k or the 5k? 00:12:53.120 --> 00:12:55.200 That's June 26, 2022. 00:12:55.360 --> 00:12:59.279 Uh your runtime was 30 minutes and 20 seconds, so yes, it was a 5k. 00:12:59.759 --> 00:13:00.080 Yes. 00:13:00.320 --> 00:13:01.600 Look at you, Mr. 00:13:01.759 --> 00:13:07.600 I'm running 829 like training paces on TikTok, and then you go and lay down 735s. 00:13:07.840 --> 00:13:10.240 How are you running you're you're a young cat? 00:13:10.320 --> 00:13:13.120 I think at my prime, I didn't start running until I was in my 30s. 00:13:13.279 --> 00:13:17.600 Despite being in high school, my high my English teacher wanted me to run, but I was too busy skateboarding and snowboarding. 00:13:17.679 --> 00:13:18.960 I didn't want to be one of those cats. 00:13:19.200 --> 00:13:23.600 I think at my prime at 36, my fastest pace ever was on an exercise run. 00:13:23.679 --> 00:13:24.960 I think I hit 720. 00:13:25.120 --> 00:13:28.799 You ran a 735 in your first registered race. 00:13:29.120 --> 00:13:31.519 That was my first ever race. 00:13:31.759 --> 00:13:43.120 Um, interestingly enough, I started running um like literally two months before that, and I was like, I need to see what it feels like to actually race because I was getting that itch. 00:13:43.200 --> 00:13:47.840 I'm like, all right, I've been running for two months now, like I need to see what's the big hype about. 00:13:48.000 --> 00:13:50.480 So I just put myself randomly into that race. 00:13:50.639 --> 00:13:54.240 And honestly, uh, I really I really tried my best. 00:13:54.320 --> 00:13:58.639 I was like, all right, let me let me put a good step forward, but I'm shocking you looked that up. 00:13:58.720 --> 00:14:01.120 That's I'm gonna tell I'm disappointed in you. 00:14:01.200 --> 00:14:05.039 I'm gonna tell you how I know all your stats, and I'm disappointed in you that you ain't claimed these. 00:14:05.200 --> 00:14:08.000 Um right now I would dust him, though. 00:14:08.320 --> 00:14:10.960 Your first race only running two months. 00:14:11.200 --> 00:14:20.399 You finished 636 out of 3,513 people on your first 5k doing it on a let's see what happens, fellas. 00:14:21.039 --> 00:14:25.759 Like that, dude, that is tremendous for your first race, even at your your age. 00:14:25.919 --> 00:14:32.879 I mean, and once again, you're not running in like where I live in Cape Coral, Florida, or you know, Grass Lakes, Iowa. 00:14:33.039 --> 00:14:41.600 You're in you're in effing New York City where there are clearly there's 3,513 people running in this particular little 5k. 00:14:41.919 --> 00:14:46.080 To finish 636 in your first race, that is that is great. 00:14:46.159 --> 00:14:47.759 That is such a good job. 00:14:48.080 --> 00:14:49.200 Thank you, thank you, thank you. 00:14:49.360 --> 00:14:50.399 And then you follow that up. 00:14:50.480 --> 00:14:52.000 You you you got the bug, right? 00:14:52.320 --> 00:14:55.279 I always tell people when they f they run their first race, I say, you know what's gonna happen? 00:14:55.360 --> 00:14:59.279 You're gonna finish that shit, and two hours later you're gonna be on the internet looking for your next race that registered for. 00:14:59.519 --> 00:15:02.559 You are gonna go broke looking at these races. 00:15:04.639 --> 00:15:14.000 So you went from a five, see, I I at least went 5k, 5k, 5k, 10k, and then I then I started going savage races in 2019. 00:15:14.080 --> 00:15:20.559 I did uh one of them, and then um 2020 came, pandemic happened, they canceled it. 00:15:20.720 --> 00:15:22.799 I I dude, I went all in, you know. 00:15:22.879 --> 00:15:23.519 I'm I'm older. 00:15:23.600 --> 00:15:30.879 I I was a friend of mine who lives here locally was an American Ninja Warrior, so he had a ninja uh Morgan Moose Wright, the guy who wore the moose hat. 00:15:30.960 --> 00:15:33.039 He's he's the uh gym teacher down the street from me. 00:15:33.120 --> 00:15:37.039 He had a ninja gym in his backyard, so I'm over there working on my grip strength and doing static. 00:15:37.759 --> 00:15:40.480 So I was running, I was doing that, going to the gym. 00:15:40.799 --> 00:15:41.600 Pandemic came. 00:15:41.759 --> 00:15:43.840 So they canceled

it. 00:15:44.559 --> 00:15:52.080 Crazy thing was, is the local Southwest Florida regional physicians group was still holding a half marathon. 00:15:52.240 --> 00:15:54.879 So I went down there and ran a half marathon on no training. 00:15:55.120 --> 00:15:58.080 But could when you know I signed up for a week before. 00:15:58.240 --> 00:15:58.799 I did alright. 00:15:58.879 --> 00:16:04.399 I was running on nine-minute miles, but I had already I think I already ran like four or five five Ks. 00:16:04.480 --> 00:16:06.879 I think I ran 10K in at least one Savage Race. 00:16:06.960 --> 00:16:11.840 You went from a 5K to the Brooklyn half marathon in 20 in May of 2020. 00:16:12.080 --> 00:16:15.120 Actually, no, 2023, May 20th of 2023. 00:16:15.759 --> 00:16:16.399 Yeah. 00:16:16.720 --> 00:16:18.480 And let's look at these stats. 00:16:18.720 --> 00:16:21.919 Once again, they already you got a very consistent pace. 00:16:22.000 --> 00:16:23.600 You're 726 pace. 00:16:23.759 --> 00:16:25.679 You finished 137. 00:16:27.120 --> 00:16:30.159 Um, this was a half marathon. 00:16:30.240 --> 00:16:34.320 There was uh lot more people at 13,596. 00:16:34.799 --> 00:16:46.240 You finish 2,293, but and men 25, you're 429 out of 2,100 people in your age group, so you're still finishing you know top quarter, and that's on your second race. 00:16:46.320 --> 00:16:47.840 How did you train for that? 00:16:49.120 --> 00:17:15.920 Uh, just basically uh trying to improve my time in terms of endurance, because what you will notice is like your muscles will fail before your cardiovascular health, like you you will get like ankle pains or knee pains or hamstring pains and things like that before you're like fully out of breath, where you're like, damn, I can't breathe, like I have to stop. 00:17:16.319 --> 00:17:37.039 So I basically was just trying to get in as much heels, I was trying to get in as much like speed work as possible, just trying to strengthen my legs as much as possible because I noticed that was one of my weaknesses, where it's like my legs really can't really go the distance, like they break down. 00:17:37.519 --> 00:17:46.319 Well, one of the things you pointed out twice, and it's so important, and I didn't I didn't really learn about until my second savage race, because I'm like, I'm doing these savage races, I'm like, why are my hands cramped? 00:17:46.400 --> 00:17:56.559 No, savage races, you know, they're they're seven-mile trail races, but they got the walls, and you're you know, monkey, a lot of monkey bars, a lot of grip strength, and I'm like, my hands are like seasoned up. 00:17:56.640 --> 00:17:57.680 I'm like, what the hell is up? 00:17:57.839 --> 00:17:58.799 My hands season up. 00:17:58.960 --> 00:18:04.799 So before my second, no, I think this is actually before my third race, I started looking into it, and it's lactic acid buildup. 00:18:04.960 --> 00:18:16.319 And it was because, as you were saying, with your cramps and your ankles and

your calves, when people start running, they don't think about nutrition, they don't think about, as you were saying, how much I'm sweating. 00:18:16.480 --> 00:18:19.759 Um, you're supposed to refuel about every half hour. 00:18:20.079 --> 00:18:26.319 And a lot of people don't consider this, they don't consume high amounts of hydration before the race, right? 00:18:26.480 --> 00:18:30.559 They might walk around with a Gatorade and just I'll get it to the first water station. 00:18:30.799 --> 00:18:33.039 Well, by then your lactic acid's building up. 00:18:33.119 --> 00:18:37.519 And what I found out is hydration, pre-race hydration is huge. 00:18:37.759 --> 00:18:40.400 You got to get that pre-race hydration, which I get it. 00:18:40.559 --> 00:18:42.640 If I pre-raised hydrate, I gotta urinate. 00:18:42.720 --> 00:18:43.279 Well, deal with that. 00:18:43.359 --> 00:18:44.559 That's part of running, you know. 00:18:45.119 --> 00:18:46.079 It's part of it, right? 00:18:46.720 --> 00:18:56.319 So uh pre-raise hydrate, pre-raised gel, you know, getting up, drinking a coffee, eating a bagel, and then heading down the race, unless you're doing a 5k, it's not going to cut it. 00:18:56.480 --> 00:19:10.000 It is tremendous to get your nutrition, and it took me, um, you know, I already ran all these 5Ks, but you know, three miles, I'm my nightly run, even before I took a year off because of injury. 00:19:10.319 --> 00:19:12.880 I I I'm treated the same way. 00:19:13.119 --> 00:19:16.880 If you have an addictive personality, my nightly runs at three miles. 00:19:17.039 --> 00:19:21.839 If I if a short night for me is a mile and a half, if I'm like, I work 12 hours, I'm beat up. 00:19:22.000 --> 00:19:24.160 I never run less than a mile and a half. 00:19:24.319 --> 00:19:34.480 And so running 5K's is just to me, running a 5K race, a registered one, is just a reason subconsciously to justify all the 5Ks I ran through the week. 00:19:34.559 --> 00:19:36.400 You know, it's like this is this is fun. 00:19:36.480 --> 00:19:38.480 Let's see how I rank amongst people. 00:19:38.880 --> 00:19:39.200 Right. 00:19:40.079 --> 00:19:52.480 But so when you're you first get into it, you don't ever consider hydration because unless you actually look for um nutrition and running, it doesn't come up a lot in people's get first-time runner videos. 00:19:52.720 --> 00:19:57.359 They usually talk about shoes, maybe recovery, and not going out too fast. 00:19:57.440 --> 00:20:00.160 They very rarely talk about the things we just mentioned. 00:20:00.480 --> 00:20:09.680 Literally, all I was thinking about was whatever my coach puts on the paper, that's all I gotta do, and I'm gonna be alright. 00:20:09.920 --> 00:20:11.119 That's all I was thinking about. 00:20:11.279 --> 00:20:20.160 I was like, if I run, if he say run 10 miles today and I run to 10, and I feel okay after, that's all I gotta do, and I'll I'll be fine. 00:20:20.480 --> 00:20:24.160 But it's it's so much deeper, it's so much more than that. 00:20:24.400 --> 00:20:26.880 So Shaq and I are going to give you all a hint. 00:20:27.039 --> 00:20:39.759 Um, there's plenty of ways to do this, but the affordable way I found out to do it was through somebody else's uh TikTok, somebody I've had on the show who's running multiple Ironmans, and that is the Gatorade Sweat Patch. 00:20:39.920 --> 00:20:42.880 Uh, if you guys don't know what that is, Google Gatorade Sweat Patch. 00:20:42.960 --> 00:20:44.559 I think they're on sale for like$7 a piece. 00:20:44.640 --> 00:20:47.440 You ordered one or two of them before you run. 00:20:47.599 --> 00:20:48.559 You don't have to. 00:20:48.720 --> 00:20:54.240 I'm kind of first one I did fell off, so the second one I shaved a little spot on my forearm to get the hair off there. 00:20:54.319 --> 00:20:59.599 You put it on your forearm before you go running, you wait 20 minutes and get a nice stick, and then you go run. 00:20:59.680 --> 00:21:02.799 I think they say the max amount of time is maybe an hour, two hours. 00:21:02.880 --> 00:21:04.480 Um, you have to read the instructions. 00:21:04.640 --> 00:21:09.680 But what it does, it's almost like a pH strip, but they made it all cool in design. 00:21:09.759 --> 00:21:13.920 And as you run, there's two little holes on the back, almost looks like a snake bite. 00:21:14.079 --> 00:21:17.920 And your sweat goes through those holes and they work their way around. 00:21:18.160 --> 00:21:24.640 And when it's done, because it makes this little diagram almost like a rudimentary quirky code almost. 00:21:24.720 --> 00:21:29.279 When you're done, you take a picture with the Gatorade app, and it'll tell you how much you're sweating. 00:21:29.519 --> 00:21:34.319 Well, first and foremost, you have to track in the perfect way of doing this. 00:21:34.559 --> 00:21:48.799 Shaq has one, I have one, get a hydration vest, or get water bottles that have the measurements on it because part of the sweat test, they need they want to know how old you are, what was the weather, what was the temperature, and how much liquids did you consume. 00:21:48.960 --> 00:21:59.759 And so you put all this in there and it'll calculate and it'll tell you okay, you're sweating X amount during this time, and you need to consume this much water during this many runs, and so you can start looking into. 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:05.440 To this, and you can figure out well, if I'm sweating out this much liquid, I need to maintain this much liquid. 00:22:05.680 --> 00:22:08.640 And another important thing people don't talk about salt sticks. 00:22:08.799 --> 00:22:17.599 If it's if you're running in Florida, California, hot ass New York, do not underestimate the value of a salt stick, it'll help keep that liquid in you. 00:22:17.920 --> 00:22:23.519 And even if even if you're just wanting to, you guys are hardcore, you guys are running seven minute miles. 00:22:23.680 --> 00:22:24.799 Trust me, I'm 46. 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--> 00:22:27.119 I ain't running seven minute miles anymore. 00:22:27.279 --> 00:22:31.839 But regardless of how slow you're running, you don't want to feel like shit after you run. 00:22:32.000 --> 00:22:36.480 And the reason you feel like shit after you run is you're dehydrated and your nutrition is through the floor. 00:22:36.720 --> 00:22:49.440 And so if you want running hurts, we all know this, but if you want to minimize the hurt and minimize the hangover, if you will, you do that through nutrition and hydration and salt. 00:22:49.759 --> 00:22:50.079 Right. 00:22:50.160 --> 00:23:01.440 I just want to add that um one part of the recovery, too, it's making sure you're not depleting yourself totally during these runs, because that's part of it too. 00:23:01.599 --> 00:23:10.880 Like if you go on a little four-mile run, five-mile run, you should be taking some type of sodium, some type of salt, some type of um electrolytes. 00:23:11.200 --> 00:23:15.279 That way, when you're done with the run, you're not fully depleted. 00:23:15.440 --> 00:23:20.319 Your body's like, Oh, we ran for a run, but we're fine, we're not dehydrated. 00:23:20.480 --> 00:23:22.079 So that helps with recovery too. 00:23:22.240 --> 00:23:33.759 Yeah, when you get done the run, you're lazy and be sore, but like if you're going home and passing out, like you're like done, like you just felt like you just drank for six hours, that's because you're hype, your your your nutrition's off balance and you really need to focus on it. 00:23:34.240 --> 00:23:34.720 Sure. 00:23:35.519 --> 00:23:36.880 Absolutely. 00:23:37.359 --> 00:23:38.880 Do do do do do. 00:23:40.000 --> 00:23:46.079 I want to ask you though, uh, when did you when did you realize like nutrition was important for you? 00:23:46.319 --> 00:23:52.240 Like I said, it was like when I'm I do all this training, and I'll go out and run three miles, I'll do push-ups. 00:23:52.480 --> 00:24:04.079 Um the other thing about running, and even if you're doing OCR, you have to accept the fact that people are going to think you're effing crazy, and you just have to not care. 00:24:04.319 --> 00:24:08.319 If you care what people think about you, that running is not for you. 00:24:08.640 --> 00:24:11.440 Um I I my daughter's like, hey, I want to go. 00:24:11.599 --> 00:24:12.480 We went running last night. 00:24:12.559 --> 00:24:14.640 I did a mile with her, then I went out and did another five. 00:24:14.880 --> 00:24:17.920 And it's 8:30 night, she comes out wearing all black. 00:24:18.160 --> 00:24:19.440 I'm like, no kidding. 00:24:19.839 --> 00:24:20.720 It's dark outside. 00:24:20.799 --> 00:24:23.839 We live in a side of town where we rarely have streetlights, go put on a white shirt. 00:24:24.160 --> 00:24:28.079 Meanwhile, I got green and white camo shorts, I got a pink and blue fishing shirt on. 00:24:28.160 --> 00:24:31.759 I got a and I'm like, I I'm not here to match, I'm here to be seen. 00:24:31.839 --> 00:24:34.079

And not because I want to be, I just don't want to get ran over. 00:24:34.160 --> 00:24:36.640 I got flashing lights on my running belt and everything else. 00:24:36.720 --> 00:24:37.599 I got headlamps on. 00:24:37.839 --> 00:24:39.039 You got the reflective gear. 00:24:39.839 --> 00:24:49.440 Where we live five years ago, a Lee County Sheriff accidentally ran over a kid on the way to school on his bicycle in elementary school because we have no sidewalks and very little lighting. 00:24:49.519 --> 00:24:51.119 And plus, right now it's all construction. 00:24:51.279 --> 00:24:54.079 So I light myself up the best I can. 00:24:54.720 --> 00:25:06.400 But um, as I was saying earlier, I'm a I'm that I'm that a-hole that's walking up and down the street with a five-gallon bucket full of marbles that weighs 90 pounds training for these OCR events. 00:25:06.480 --> 00:25:08.160 I got 40-pound sandbags. 00:25:08.319 --> 00:25:11.440 I'm running, I'm sure my neighbors think I'm maybe a terrorist. 00:25:11.519 --> 00:25:15.519 I'm running around with a plate carrier with 18-pound uh plates in them. 00:25:15.599 --> 00:25:17.440 You know, they look like bullet-proof vests. 00:25:17.599 --> 00:25:21.279 I'm doing all that stuff, but I'm only doing three or four miles. 00:25:21.440 --> 00:25:24.559 And I'm doing occasional push-ups and trying, I still can't do pull-ups. 00:25:24.640 --> 00:25:35.359 But to answer your question, it's when I'm running three miles and I'm already jumped over five or six walls and crawling through mud and done monkey bars that all of a sudden I'm running like I'm 90 years old with arthritis. 00:25:35.440 --> 00:25:37.359 I'm like, why are my hands seasoned up? 00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:49.119 Why can't I and it all because I would wake up, I would stay at a hotel, wake up, get coffee, grab a water, head down there, and just walk around looking at stuff and then go run. 00:25:49.359 --> 00:25:52.000 I wasn't I wasn't drinking two or three bottles a day. 00:25:54.079 --> 00:25:55.839 Yeah, I wasn't eating gels. 00:25:56.000 --> 00:25:57.359 I wasn't doing any of that. 00:25:57.519 --> 00:26:00.720 Um, I don't know if you're familiar with a gentleman named Vinny Torterich. 00:26:01.039 --> 00:26:07.440 He's a um longtime physical um he's a fitness guru to the stars. 00:26:07.519 --> 00:26:09.759 He's Howie Mandel's fitness guy. 00:26:10.000 --> 00:26:12.960 He he uh been doing it for years. 00:26:13.119 --> 00:26:15.200 His his wife is literally a Bond girl. 00:26:15.279 --> 00:26:16.799 She was in a James Bond movie. 00:26:16.960 --> 00:26:20.640 He just put out his third documentary on uh it's called Dirty Keto. 00:26:20.880 --> 00:26:24.960 He's talking about how you know keto slapped on everything nowadays, you know, it's not ketogenic. 00:26:25.039 --> 00:26:26.960 He's done fat the documentary one and two. 00:26:27.359 --> 00:26:32.960 I had him on my podcast, and he he's the creator of no sugar, no grains, which you may have heard of. 00:26:33.119 --> 00:26:40.640 It's the diet that you literally no sugar, no grains, just pretty much red meat vegetables, eat whatever you want that doesn't have sugar or grains in it. 00:26:40.880 --> 00:26:57.839 Well, he puts out a product called um NSNG's nut butter, and it's a mix of coconut oil and pure peanut butter, and that's what he uses for his long-distance bike rides and canoe trips and all that, because the problem with the gels is they have a lot of sugar in them. 00:26:58.079 --> 00:27:07.359 And so if and the reason, part of the reason he got into the no sugar, no grains is 17 years ago he he was diagnosed with cancer, and he had to go through chemotherapy. 00:27:07.839 --> 00:27:09.200 They gave him five years to live. 00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:12.240 He got off the sugars, got off the grains. 00:27:12.640 --> 00:27:14.880 17 years later, he's now 72. 00:27:15.200 --> 00:27:18.160 Cancer finally came back, but he was supposed to have died five years ago. 00:27:18.240 --> 00:27:20.720 I mean, you know, 12 years ago. 00:27:20.960 --> 00:27:46.880 But and so he knew that cancer builds strength off of sugars, and so he couldn't exactly be eating these sugar-based gels, and so he came up with this nut butter stuff that he made himself in his kitchen, but later on, after he started a company, he started putting that out, and so after I had him on my show, I ordered some, and so after I started discovering the problem with my hands, the very next Savage Race I did, I had like two of his nut butters with me. 00:27:47.039 --> 00:27:54.960 I drank like three bottles of Gatorade, I had a good breakfast, I walked around, got some gels, I had my run belt with me after mile three. 00:27:55.119 --> 00:27:58.319 I started doing the in-race new nutrition. 00:27:58.559 --> 00:28:01.680 You gotta go in still decent ranking. 00:28:01.759 --> 00:28:04.079 Um, it's an open wave for me. 00:28:04.960 --> 00:28:09.519 But at the end of the day, I wasn't cramped, I made it through the entire race off the cramps. 00:28:09.599 --> 00:28:13.759 I wasn't getting the leg cramps because running seven miles is easy. 00:28:13.839 --> 00:28:16.640 Running seven miles, being six foot five, it comes in handy. 00:28:16.799 --> 00:28:23.119 Climbing over an eight-foot wall, well, guess what happens when you throw your calve up over that wall when you haven't had good hydration? 00:28:23.359 --> 00:28:27.200 Do you want to say Charlie horse in the middle of a seven-mile race? 00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:33.039 Once your calf makes contact with that wall, it's like it's like someone just smacked you with a towel. 00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:35.039 Your foot kind of does that weird thing like that. 00:28:35.200 --> 00:28:46.640 And so after two races of dealing with that, the third race, I'd say, Oh, it's all nutrition, it's all hydration and in run in run um nutrition. 00:28:47.759 --> 00:28:48.079 Right. 00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:53.440 And even when I show up to a 5k, I

would still come with a water bottle. 00:28:53.519 --> 00:28:56.079 A lot of people rely on the the water stations. 00:28:56.960 --> 00:29:02.000 And that's great, 5K's are short, but I'm also a believer in run how you train. 00:29:02.240 --> 00:29:14.880 So if I'm running, if I'm sure if I even if I, you know, I did a uh 15k trail race, finished third in my age group, not a whole lot of people in my group entered, but hey, that's not on me, that's on them for staying home. 00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:21.839 And then prior to that, I prior to that I did a 5K, and because I just got back into running. 00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:27.359 I took a year off, but anyhow, I tr I run as I train. 00:29:27.440 --> 00:29:31.039 So even though I'm showing with 5K, why is this guy wearing two water bottles? 00:29:31.119 --> 00:29:33.440 It's only three miles, because that's how I train. 00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:43.759 You don't want to change up your your habits on random day because your body's used to having the weight of two water bottles, or if you run with a water bottle in your right hand, now you're not running with a water bottle, your equilibrium's off. 00:29:43.920 --> 00:29:46.720 You want to train how you run and run how you train. 00:29:47.359 --> 00:29:48.400 Hands down. 00:29:49.039 --> 00:29:49.440 Right. 00:29:49.680 --> 00:29:53.039 I I do not trust the gels they have at these races. 00:29:53.200 --> 00:29:56.240 Like the gels I've been taking, those are the ones I'm bringing. 00:29:56.559 --> 00:30:03.279 And as far as like the the water station goes, you have to know your measurements. 00:30:03.440 --> 00:30:17.119 Like for me, I know every 20 to 25 minutes I need about eight ounces of liquids, and I'm not going any more than that because I know sometimes my stomach gets slushy. 00:30:17.200 --> 00:30:22.240 Some people may say, Oh, I don't like to take it when I'm running because my stomach gets too slushy. 00:30:22.400 --> 00:30:23.519 It's like too much water. 00:30:23.599 --> 00:30:28.799 It's like you gotta figure out what you should be sipping on. 00:30:29.039 --> 00:30:35.119 You you should never want to try to drink a whole bottle of water within one mile. 00:30:35.359 --> 00:30:36.240 You never want to do that. 00:30:36.319 --> 00:30:43.279 You should be sipping on it throughout the whole mile while you're running, just sipping on it, sipping on it, sipping on it, and really figure out what works for you. 00:30:43.519 --> 00:30:51.440 Because quite frankly, some people that have been training for a long time or don't have enough a lot of muscle, that's another thing you gotta take into consideration too. 00:30:51.599 --> 00:31:00.000 Some people don't have that much muscle, and their body it it just runs more fluidly. 00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:06.160 But me, I have a lot of muscle, so I wasn't ignoring if somebody was pounding on my front door and I was checking my root coup. 00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:09.599 Some reason there's somebody at my door,

but my wife's talking to them, so that's why I was looking at my phone. 00:31:09.759 --> 00:31:10.880 But yeah, no, I agree. 00:31:11.359 --> 00:31:15.920 Everybody's body's different, too, and that's why that's the importance of training. 00:31:16.000 --> 00:31:22.160 You know, you need to train your nutrition before you go run, because once again, you can't just go off based off someone else's. 00:31:22.240 --> 00:31:24.400 I'm six foot five, two hundred and thirty pounds. 00:31:24.559 --> 00:31:28.079 My nutritional needs aren't gonna be the same as yours, right? 00:31:28.240 --> 00:31:28.799 Absolutely not. 00:31:28.960 --> 00:31:32.480 And just like when people say, Well, hey Shaq, how many miles do you get on your shoes? 00:31:32.960 --> 00:31:36.400 Well, once again, I'm six foot five, two thirty. 00:31:36.559 --> 00:31:40.720 I guarantee I'm gonna get less miles on my shoes because I'm a heavier dude than you are, right? 00:31:40.880 --> 00:31:45.920 And you're gonna get less miles on your shoes than that 105-pound girl, you know, right. 00:31:46.160 --> 00:31:53.200 And so everything's different, and you and you have to set everything up for yourself for yourselves and and get it all sorted out. 00:31:53.519 --> 00:32:04.640 My answer is I get about 230, and then I start getting shin splints and bad ankles because my sh at my weight, my gait, my soles of my shoes start breaking down around 230 miles. 00:32:04.799 --> 00:32:10.160 If I was a five foot four, ninety-eight-pound girl, I could probably get 500 miles out of a pair of shoes. 00:32:10.640 --> 00:32:14.720 It's all different depending on who you are and how big you are and what your size and your gate is. 00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:16.160 Everything's different. 00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:17.039 Right. 00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:20.319 And it's just just like your goals, right? 00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:22.319 Where like we all have different goals. 00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:32.079 Like, like you said, right, where you finish third in um your age group, and it's like some people may just I just want to finish the race. 00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:34.240 I just want to cross the line. 00:32:34.400 --> 00:32:39.279 So my first race was in 2019, and it was the Publix, which is the grocery store, run for the Arts. 00:32:39.440 --> 00:32:49.279 Um, I my pace at them was 952, and then I ran a bunch of races, and then I got injured in 2021, and life took a change. 00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:55.119 So I ran no registered races, and I finally started running again, and the Publix Run for the Arts came back around. 00:32:55.200 --> 00:32:58.880 I'm like, okay, well, I'm gonna because that was the first one I ever ran, I'm gonna run that one again. 00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:06.960 So I just ran that one again in February of 2024, third uh came third out of third place in my age group. 00:33:07.119 --> 00:33:11.759 Um, but I only lost two minutes on my my pace. 00:33:11.839 --> 00:33:13.519 I ran 1132. 00:33:14.079 --> 00:33:21.119 But the reason I my pace took such a hit is because that three years of not running, I gained almost all that weight back. 00:33:21.279 --> 00:33:26.640 So I at my prime, when I started running, I was going to the gym once a day. 00:33:26.720 --> 00:33:29.519 I was going to the gym like three times a week plus running four times a week. 00:33:29.599 --> 00:33:35.519 At six foot five, I got down to two hundred and seven pounds, and that's when I was able to run like a seven-minute mile and all that. 00:33:35.759 --> 00:33:43.440 My fastest race, it looks like, and I'm gonna tell you after the show how I was able to get all your information because I'm I'm disappointed in you, sir. 00:33:43.519 --> 00:33:45.119 You haven't claimed any of your times. 00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:49.119 My fastest race was in 2020, the Thanksgiving Day 5K. 00:33:49.200 --> 00:33:52.799 I did an eight-minute pace and I was fifth place in my age group. 00:33:53.680 --> 00:33:58.160 And so, um, but yeah, for the for those of you at home, if you don't know, Mr. 00:33:58.400 --> 00:33:59.279 Rum getting his day. 00:33:59.680 --> 00:34:01.599 How are you not on Athlinks, fella? 00:34:03.200 --> 00:34:03.920 I'm not, I'm not sure. 00:34:04.160 --> 00:34:04.880 I sent you the link. 00:34:05.200 --> 00:34:08.320 I sent you the link, sign up to your Facebook or whatever. 00:34:08.559 --> 00:34:11.360 I sent you all your times, just claim them all. 00:34:11.679 --> 00:34:14.239 That way you can go back and look at your times. 00:34:14.320 --> 00:34:16.079 That's how I'm able to tell you all your stuff. 00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:16.719 Right. 00:34:16.960 --> 00:34:23.440 I usually I usually just rely on Strava, but I know Strava will be off sometimes. 00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:27.840 Well, Athlinks is all Athlinks is nothing but registered races. 00:34:27.920 --> 00:34:32.000 And if you do a regional race that's not in there, you can send them the website link and they'll add it. 00:34:32.159 --> 00:34:34.239 Like, right, you know, here's a perfect example. 00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:35.760 I wanted to ask you about this. 00:34:36.159 --> 00:34:39.760 So you you did the London Marathon on April 21st, right? 00:34:40.320 --> 00:34:40.639 Yeah. 00:34:41.119 --> 00:34:42.639 Did 329. 00:34:43.599 --> 00:34:46.400 There you are at the seven-minute pace, 759. 00:34:47.119 --> 00:34:47.679 Yes. 00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:50.480 Um, that's a lot of damn people. 00:34:50.719 --> 00:34:52.320 That's a lot of damn men. 00:34:53.039 --> 00:34:55.440 You finished 7,987. 00:34:55.679 --> 00:35:01.599 Like, wow, Don, that's not no, there was 30,999 people, dudes, in that race. 00:35:01.679 --> 00:35:05.039 So out of 30,999, you finished 797. 00:35:05.119 --> 00:35:06.960 But I noticed something, Mr. 00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:10.960 8 miles 29 second fun run paces. 00:35:11.119 --> 00:35:14.800 You run all of your races, you ran a 759. 00:35:15.519 --> 00:35:17.440 But then this happened. 00:35:18.000

--> 00:35:20.880 The Bronx run, you hit a 1021. 00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:22.800 And I'm like, wait a minute. 00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:26.480 What how is he going from an eight-minute pace to a seven-minute pace? 00:35:26.559 --> 00:35:28.079 And then I looked at the dates. 00:35:28.320 --> 00:35:30.320 You didn't give yourself a big enough gap. 00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:38.800 You ran the London Marathon in April 21, and then on May 4th, you got and run this run the Bronx. 00:35:38.960 --> 00:35:42.719 You probably thought you gave yourself enough recovery time after that marathon, but clearly not, right? 00:35:42.800 --> 00:35:43.519 I mean, you lost the bottom. 00:35:43.679 --> 00:35:44.079 No, no, no. 00:35:44.320 --> 00:35:47.119 See, the thing is with the Bronx one, I think I posted about this too. 00:35:47.199 --> 00:35:51.039 The Bronx one actually did it with uh some students from the Bronx Brother. 00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:52.239 Okay, so they slowed you down. 00:35:53.519 --> 00:35:58.079 Yeah, so see, that's good on you though, because I'm such a competitor. 00:35:58.239 --> 00:36:05.039 Like, I know like if I would ever I've a all my races I've done by myself, except for like two of my wife did, but sorry, honey, you're on your own. 00:36:05.199 --> 00:36:07.840 But her first her first 5k, she podium. 00:36:08.079 --> 00:36:09.599 She got up, she went home with a beer mug. 00:36:09.679 --> 00:36:10.960 So her first race, she podium. 00:36:11.199 --> 00:36:13.360 But I'm like, hey, there's no friends on race day. 00:36:13.440 --> 00:36:17.679 So good on you for slowing down your time to run with to run with your group. 00:36:18.159 --> 00:36:22.639 I um I was actually um just uh how should I say chaperoning? 00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:26.320 I was like one of the kids, they it was like their first race too. 00:36:26.400 --> 00:36:28.559 So she was like, Chat, can you run with me? 00:36:28.719 --> 00:36:29.440 Can you pace me? 00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:30.239 And I was like, sure. 00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:31.679 You have to kill my time. 00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:33.199 No one's no one's watching. 00:36:33.280 --> 00:36:34.320 I I really thought no one was. 00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:35.519 Everybody's watching. 00:36:35.840 --> 00:36:37.599 Was that for the Odyssey House? 00:36:38.719 --> 00:36:42.559 Uh yes, so the Odyssey House did run um with them too. 00:36:42.719 --> 00:36:47.840 Um, but I think um it was the Bronx Community College that actually hosted the run. 00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:51.440 Let's talk about gear real quick. 00:36:51.519 --> 00:36:52.480 What's your current shoe? 00:36:52.559 --> 00:36:53.519 What are you running in? 00:36:54.159 --> 00:36:56.079 Uh New Balance, New Balance. 00:36:56.400 --> 00:36:57.440 Are you a single shoe guy? 00:36:57.599 --> 00:37:01.280 Are you one of these cats who rotate your shoes between every other run and keep your body off? 00:37:01.599 --> 00:37:02.559 Keep your body going. 00:37:03.760 --> 00:37:18.159 So

I am a single shoe guy, but lately I I have been swapping out because um there's been like new study coming out saying um that uh different shoes strengthen different muscles. 00:37:18.639 --> 00:37:23.199 And you gotta know, like, this is where like running gets complicated, right? 00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:32.800 Where you have max cushion shoes and then you have like regular uh daily trainers, and then you have like the ones with the carbon plate that everybody loves. 00:37:33.119 --> 00:37:36.960 And those are not in the tax bracket for those. 00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:44.000 What I'm seeing is I'm seeing in YouTube videos, I got these Adidas Marathon shoes, they cost five thousand dollars, and they're only good for two races. 00:37:44.159 --> 00:37:45.519 Like, nah, I'm good. 00:37:46.400 --> 00:37:47.199 Right, right. 00:37:47.280 --> 00:37:49.840 I need I need to get my money's worth out of my shoes. 00:37:50.480 --> 00:38:01.360 But um, yeah, I um I I mainly stick to one shoe that like I get comfortable with, and right now it's it's the the new balance 1080s. 00:38:01.440 --> 00:38:14.079 I have ran it the ASICs in the past, the the the gel canal 30s, which um that that was the first time I ever got like my feet ever scanned, and I found out that I had flat feet. 00:38:14.320 --> 00:38:15.920 No, no surprise there. 00:38:16.239 --> 00:38:20.719 And um they they said I needed to get the wide version of the shoe. 00:38:20.960 --> 00:38:37.039 But the thing with the wide version is it just feels so clunky and like like they're hard to find unless you you know, wide shoes, like my poor daughter has wide feet, and like trying to get her shoes for prom or whatever was a damn nightmare. 00:38:37.199 --> 00:38:45.679 But you know, they do have some wide shoes available and running shoes and things like that, but they are you have a less selection when you are actually looking for a wider shoe. 00:38:46.239 --> 00:38:46.639 Right. 00:38:46.880 --> 00:38:49.920 And then if you're wearing like a size 14, forget about it. 00:38:50.239 --> 00:38:55.840 Oh yeah, you think you're I don't even know how you get them anyway. 00:38:56.159 --> 00:39:12.400 As a as a parent, as somebody, you know, my a good portion of my finances is spoken for by third parties, and so I've been balling on a budget for all these years, and so for the longest time I was buying, I was buying sanctionies on on Amazon, and I was having a pretty good time. 00:39:12.559 --> 00:39:13.440 I love Sonese. 00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:16.719 I run get them on Amazon, get like$80 ones, I think. 00:39:16.880 --> 00:39:18.960 Oh, these are last year's models, these are fine. 00:39:20.079 --> 00:39:22.480 But then I started walking at lunch before it started getting hot. 00:39:22.559 --> 00:39:28.239 I was walking two miles at lunch and I started stopping by my run shoes, and they would have their Brooks and their sanctionies on sale. 00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:34.239 And I picked up a pair of uh guide 15s,

and I noticed I was like, these insoles look different. 00:39:34.320 --> 00:39:36.639 One, they have writing on them, and two, they're ergonomic. 00:39:36.800 --> 00:39:40.079 So I went home and I started looking at all these sanctionies I've been buying on Amazon. 00:39:40.159 --> 00:39:45.039 Every pair of them had generic, blank, flat insoles in them. 00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:46.159 Oh my god. 00:39:46.239 --> 00:39:55.199 I'm like, this is weird, and I just bought a pair of trail 15s for the 15, I finally did my first 15k registered trail race, and I got those on Amazon for like 80 bucks. 00:39:55.280 --> 00:39:59.360 Once again, I was just thinking they're last year's models, and I noticed they were blank. 00:39:59.599 --> 00:40:05.119 And so I'm a member of the Facebook group called the Facebook slow as fuck run group, because it's for us older people. 00:40:05.280 --> 00:40:10.880 And so I took a picture of it and I said, Do me a favor, all you Songy owners, take a picture of your insoles. 00:40:11.760 --> 00:40:14.880 And even if they're old, you can see where they used to have some silk screen on them. 00:40:15.039 --> 00:40:18.239 And then I said, if you bought them at the store, let me know if you bought them on Amazon. 00:40:18.400 --> 00:40:24.159 And everybody who bought theirs at the store had some sort of printing on them, and they're they they were a little ergonomic. 00:40:24.400 --> 00:40:25.760 And so I called Songsy. 00:40:25.840 --> 00:40:27.440 I'm like, Do you sell factory seconds? 00:40:27.519 --> 00:40:30.960 They're like, no, and I was like, Well, I just noticed I have like five pairs of songies. 00:40:31.119 --> 00:40:41.599 Every one of them that I bought on the internet have blank soles on them, but I bought my daughter's trail running shoes at a store shoe, and her I went and looked, hers had writing on the inside. 00:40:41.760 --> 00:40:47.119 I looked at my trail shoes, same model that I bought on Amazon that I did on my OCR, blank generic insole. 00:40:47.599 --> 00:40:55.679 I just recently went to the shoe store and they had a pair of what I'm running in now, the Sanction Freedom Crossports, which are fantastic shoes, by the way. 00:40:55.760 --> 00:40:57.599 They had them marked down to like 80 bucks. 00:40:57.760 --> 00:41:01.760 Once again, they got ergonomic printed, and so I'm trying to do some research. 00:41:01.840 --> 00:41:13.119 I'm gonna do a YouTube video on his, you know, because they come in the boxes, they have the Q code on them, they all they look like songs, but it's like, what's why are every one of these have like this generic ass insole in it? 00:41:13.280 --> 00:41:14.960 You know, I it's weird. 00:41:15.039 --> 00:41:22.239 I don't I haven't figured out what it is, but yeah, I'm currently running in the uh Freedom Crossports, which great shoe. 00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:22.960 I love it. 00:41:23.039 --> 00:41:23.760 It's super light. 00:41:23.920 --> 00:41:26.400 It actually once again it has

an ergonomic insole. 00:41:26.639 --> 00:41:28.960 My supports are feeling a lot better than when I run on my other one. 00:41:29.199 --> 00:41:30.639 Hey, it makes a big difference. 00:41:30.719 --> 00:41:34.079 I'm telling people, hey, it makes a big difference. 00:41:34.320 --> 00:41:39.039 Um, I I can't like really explain it because you you just gotta feel it. 00:41:39.119 --> 00:41:40.400 You're gonna be like, wow. 00:41:40.880 --> 00:41:42.639 Well, you you went into it earlier. 00:41:42.800 --> 00:41:53.440 You said, you know, didn't play football, equipment cost too much, didn't play you know other sports, you played basketball because all you needed was a ball and a decent pair of shoes. 00:41:53.760 --> 00:41:56.239 And everyone's like, oh, running, running's cheap. 00:41:56.480 --> 00:42:01.360 No, running is the cheapest sport you need nothing. 00:42:01.599 --> 00:42:01.840 Yeah. 00:42:02.960 --> 00:42:06.960 Let me tell you, this Garmin right here ran me over$600. 00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:08.480 Which one is that? 00:42:09.119 --> 00:42:11.280 Uh the$965. 00:42:11.599 --> 00:42:15.920 Now, I have my Garmin 735 XT. 00:42:16.079 --> 00:42:17.840 This thing I bought six years ago. 00:42:18.000 --> 00:42:20.880 Ladies and gentlemen, I charge it once every four days. 00:42:21.119 --> 00:42:24.800 My wife had a Garmin, but she fell to the peer pressures of all her friends. 00:42:24.960 --> 00:42:26.320 She wanted an Apple Watch. 00:42:26.480 --> 00:42:28.079 I got her an Apple Watch for Christmas. 00:42:28.159 --> 00:42:33.039 If she doesn't charge that every single day when she's in the shower, the battery lasts like fucking 13 hours. 00:42:33.920 --> 00:42:36.639 My six-year-old Garmin's still pumping strong. 00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:44.079 Um, but it's it's so you if if you're gonna do this a lot, you need a good watch. 00:42:44.239 --> 00:42:45.920 When I first started running, I had a Fitbit. 00:42:46.079 --> 00:42:50.639 Fitbit was Fitbit was kind of like the thing you got into when you're first starting to work out. 00:42:51.360 --> 00:42:53.840 Now, granted, I just said I've had this for six years. 00:42:53.920 --> 00:43:09.840 Maybe Fitbit has changed our technology, but what I found when I started running with run groups, everybody had Garmin's and other hiring watches, and when they hit their mile, you know, okay, we're gonna run four miles and take a break, they'd all stop, and I had to run like another 60 yards because my Fitbit wasn't accurate. 00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:18.320 What I discovered was, and they may have changed it, but it's six years ago, Garmin tracks your steps using GPS and satellite. 00:43:18.559 --> 00:43:26.559 Fitbit calculates, and that they use the word step as a unit of measurement, but it's actually based off of your hand movement. 00:43:26.639 --> 00:43:29.599 So if you do this with a Fitbit, that's eight steps. 00:43:29.840 --> 00:43:33.599 And so I was driving for a living, and I'm a one-handed driver. 00:43:33.679 --> 00:43:36.239 I was coming home with like 20,000 steps. 00:43:36.480 --> 00:43:39.519 I got my garment, it quickly dropped down to 10. 00:43:39.840 --> 00:43:44.400 So my runs didn't change, my walks didn't change, my job, only thing that changed with the Fitbit. 00:43:44.480 --> 00:43:47.280 Well, because Fitbit says steps, but that's a unit of measurement. 00:43:47.519 --> 00:43:50.559 Like if you go to the grocery store and move your arm, like, wow, there's 300 steps. 00:43:50.639 --> 00:43:56.480 You could sit in a recliner and do this, and then oh, cool, I hit my and so yeah, Fitbit's a good way to start tracking. 00:43:56.559 --> 00:43:59.840 But if like you're gonna run, swim, or whatever, garment is the way to go. 00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:01.519 But yeah. 00:44:01.840 --> 00:44:03.039 No, I agree 1000%. 00:44:03.599 --> 00:44:10.559 And like I said, the the the course ain't cheap because you then have to buy like electrolytes and things like that. 00:44:10.800 --> 00:44:17.599 You also have to buy like I like being comfortable when I'm running, uh, so you gotta buy some running gear. 00:44:17.840 --> 00:44:20.800 Um Well, let's talk about let's talk about your drip. 00:44:20.880 --> 00:44:25.599 I saw you're you're talking about people coming to your DM talking about your drip and not giving you a ranking. 00:44:26.239 --> 00:44:29.039 Back to my previous thing about not caring what people think. 00:44:29.199 --> 00:44:31.199 When I first started running, you may have been the same way. 00:44:31.280 --> 00:44:34.559 Oh, I was out there in a pair of basketball shirts, shorts, and a t-shirt, right? 00:44:36.159 --> 00:44:37.840 Still uncomfortable in my body. 00:44:38.159 --> 00:44:44.159 First time you run three miles, you come back and you feel like you got a beach towel wrapped around you because that cotton shirt just gets soaked in sweat. 00:44:44.239 --> 00:44:47.679 The basketball shorts now weigh five pounds, they're hanging off your ass. 00:44:48.159 --> 00:44:57.599 And so as I started to lose weight and get more comfortable in my body, a year into it, I'm out there like five-inch inseam shorts, a running belt, a pair of shoes, and a hat. 00:44:57.679 --> 00:44:59.679 I'm like, if I could run naked, I would. 00:44:59.840 --> 00:45:01.599 Because it's I would, for real. 00:45:02.079 --> 00:45:08.559 Because you don't you never realize like on cheap clothing, like the wear points, like why how come I got this rash underneath? 00:45:08.800 --> 00:45:11.360 Oh, it's because I ran in that stupid t-shirt yesterday. 00:45:11.679 --> 00:45:12.159 Right. 00:45:12.400 --> 00:45:32.079 And so, unless you're gonna run in just a pair of shorts, a good pair of socks and shoes, if you still you know want to cover yourself up, then you have to invest in the more expensive running gear because the stitching is designed not to wear on you, wear on the shave, like it's certain things that just makes it more difficult if it's not

designed for running. 00:45:32.320 --> 00:45:38.000 Okay, if you got delicate sensibilities, your kids are in the car, you may want to save this part until they're gone. 00:45:38.079 --> 00:45:39.760 We're gonna go a little locker room talk here. 00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:43.679 Because here's something else, especially for the dudes, that people don't talk about. 00:45:44.079 --> 00:45:47.119 And I learned this the hard way. 00:45:48.079 --> 00:45:52.559 Ask me how I was able to walk after my first half marathon in Florida Heat. 00:45:53.280 --> 00:46:01.280 Um, there's this thing that happens in your thighs if you're a dude, when you have um equipment tucked down there. 00:46:02.079 --> 00:46:06.320 If you're getting into running, go to your local run shop, go on Amazon. 00:46:06.480 --> 00:46:09.199 It looks like a stick of deodorant, it's called body butter. 00:46:09.599 --> 00:46:32.880 Put this on your inner thighs, maybe wax your car up a little bit if you if you know what I mean, and you will never have to worry about the diaper rash that you will get if you don't use any sort of lube the first time you go out and run anything over eight miles, you will get a rash down there, and for the next four days you're gonna walk like you just got into on a rodeo because people are embarrassed to talk about that stuff, right? 00:46:33.199 --> 00:46:38.000 Right, you have to don't do Vaseline, you just gotta do what you gotta do. 00:46:38.159 --> 00:46:48.239 Just buy body butter, it's like four dollars a stick, you can get it at the run shop, and it works perfect, and you're gonna save not only your post run, but like when you get the mile 15, you're like, oh god. 00:46:48.480 --> 00:46:52.079 Now I've only ran a half marathon, but my longest run ever was 16 and a half miles. 00:46:52.239 --> 00:47:00.239 So I've I've gotten close to the marathon miles, but yeah, you have to that's another one of those things you have to take care of and you and you want to get going. 00:47:00.400 --> 00:47:02.239 What kind of running vest are you using? 00:47:02.400 --> 00:47:09.039 I saw you you just that's a new acquirement, at least that's a new just start showing up in the videos. 00:47:09.760 --> 00:47:26.480 Um, I uh is the the salmon one and I use it because it has like a nice a nice pouch in the back where I carry my like um equipment or like my tripod or my microphones or whatever. 00:47:26.800 --> 00:47:32.000 And it comes with uh two uh 16 ounce water bottles, so that's perfect for me. 00:47:32.079 --> 00:47:37.360 Like most of the time I only carry one water bottle because I'm probably going on like a six-mile run or so. 00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:57.440 But if I'm getting up into the ranges like 15 and 18, you're definitely gonna need uh both both uh 16 ounces, and it doesn't shave, like it doesn't um really bother me that much until I get to like 22 maybe, and I have to like apply some like some of the butter, like you said. 00:47:57.679 --> 00:47:59.840 My

first running vest I bought was off Amazon. 00:47:59.920 --> 00:48:00.400 It was cheap. 00:48:00.480 --> 00:48:07.679 I bought an XO, it's I N O X T O some Korean thing, and it it did alright, but it was kind of small. 00:48:07.760 --> 00:48:21.840 Once again, I'm 6'5, 230, I'm a I'm a bigger fella, and so I rent that for a while and I kind of figured out what I liked and I didn't like, and then I picked up the Nathan's Vapor Air 2, um the 7 liter, which I got off of um Amazon. 00:48:22.079 --> 00:48:30.400 And now I made no mistake I got the expanded size because since the other one was kind of small, Nathan's has a one-size fits most and then expanded. 00:48:30.559 --> 00:48:34.559 I'm like, well, this one was already too small, I don't want to buy another one's too small, so I bought the expanded. 00:48:34.719 --> 00:48:40.639 The expanded fits, but the problem is I'm at the low end of the expanded, so even when I tighten it all the way down, it's still a little loose. 00:48:40.719 --> 00:48:46.159 So if you guys are thinking about getting a Nathan's, just go with the one size fits most, and if it don't fit, then send it back. 00:48:46.400 --> 00:48:47.519 But I love this thing. 00:48:47.679 --> 00:48:56.800 Um, like yours, it has the two verticals, it has the water pouch in the back, so when if I am going on a long run, it has a few pockets in it. 00:48:56.880 --> 00:49:01.679 Um, it's quick dry, it has reflective material on it, and so I like that a lot. 00:49:01.760 --> 00:49:05.920 So I've been running that um Russell brand running shorts. 00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:08.880 Believe it or not, I found it Walmart years ago, and now they don't carry them. 00:49:09.119 --> 00:49:09.679 It's so funny. 00:49:09.760 --> 00:49:13.119 When I was growing up in back in the 80s and 90s, champion was considered crap. 00:49:13.199 --> 00:49:15.599 You bought champions at Kmart and JCPenney. 00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:19.760 Somehow during the pandemic, people started wearing Champion now that shit's cool and in the boat. 00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:29.519 But believe it or not, believe it or not, it amazed me every time how like all these like uh I wouldn't say like paylist brands, but like well, that's what they were. 00:49:29.760 --> 00:49:30.960 That's exactly what they were. 00:49:31.119 --> 00:49:36.480 They if you they they were the they're basically they were out before and ones were. 00:49:36.559 --> 00:49:40.079 You know what and ones were, you know, the the kids who couldn't afford the Jordans, they got and ones. 00:49:40.320 --> 00:49:42.239 Well, that's what Champion was in the 90s, you know. 00:49:42.320 --> 00:49:54.960 You had Nike Adidas, uh, Sanctiony, Ubu made soccer closing, and then for the lower income kids who shopped at Kmart and JCPenney, it was Russell and Champion. 00:49:55.119 --> 00:50:00.000 But anyhow, I found a pair of Russell shorts at Walmart's and I and I bought three or four pairs of them. 00:50:00.159 --> 00:50:01.119 Now I can't find them anywhere. 00:50:01.199 --> 00:50:04.719 I'm like looking online, I'm like reaching out to Russell, like, yo, what happened to these shorts? 00:50:04.880 --> 00:50:17.039 They're five-inch end seams, they're drawstrings, they have the flat waistband, they don't have that crumpled, I don't like the crumpled um race bands for the elastic because like when you have like a running belt on there, it just it doesn't fit right. 00:50:17.280 --> 00:50:20.239 I love these damn shorts, but I can't find them anywhere. 00:50:20.639 --> 00:50:25.679 And so the that's that's um what I'm into. 00:50:26.000 --> 00:50:31.039 I I have a topic I want to get into because you're the perfect person um to talk about it. 00:50:31.119 --> 00:50:36.320 But real quick, um are you familiar with the Barclay Marathon? 00:50:36.559 --> 00:50:42.800 This year it finally made like mainstream headlines, but prior to this year, are you familiar with the Barclay Marathon at all? 00:50:43.679 --> 00:50:44.559 What city is it? 00:50:45.119 --> 00:50:46.320 It's in Tennessee. 00:50:46.480 --> 00:50:53.360 Um here's your YouTube homework, and if you've got an addictive personality, um I'm just gonna give you a heads up. 00:50:53.920 --> 00:50:56.159 It's been going on for uh here. 00:50:56.239 --> 00:50:58.480 Let me I want to give you the correct stats. 00:50:58.719 --> 00:51:02.559 Uh this year was the first time a woman has ever finished it. 00:51:02.880 --> 00:51:04.239 Barkley Marathon. 00:51:04.320 --> 00:51:06.239 Um go to Wikipedia real quick. 00:51:06.320 --> 00:51:08.239 Um give you the synopsis. 00:51:08.400 --> 00:51:20.159 I became aware of this when I was watching YouTube videos, and I came across a documentary called Where the Oh it's like something like where the uh the race that kills you or something. 00:51:20.400 --> 00:51:22.239 Um the Barkley Marathons. 00:51:23.360 --> 00:51:30.559 Um The Barclay Marathon is an ultra-marathon race held each year in the Frozen Head State Park in Morgan, Morgan County, Tennessee. 00:51:30.719 --> 00:51:38.239 The course, which varies from year to year, consists of five loops up to 20 miles, off-trail course for a total of 100 miles. 00:51:38.480 --> 00:51:47.679 The race is limited to 60 hour periods from the start of the first loop and takes place in March or early April each year. 00:51:47.840 --> 00:51:57.440 The race is known for its extreme difficulty and many uh person uh some crazy ass word that my ass can't pronounce. 00:51:57.679 --> 00:52:04.400 The Berkeley Marathon course was the brainchild of Gary Lazarus Lake Cantrell and his friend. 00:52:04.639 --> 00:52:13.199 Um the idea over the race was inspired upon hearing about the 1977 escape of James Earl Ray. 00:52:13.360 --> 00:52:14.400 You familiar with him? 00:52:14.719 --> 00:52:14.960 No. 00:52:15.199 --> 00:52:16.000 James Earl Ray. 00:52:18.880 --> 00:52:21.199 He was the asshole who shot Martin Luther King. 00:52:22.079 --> 00:52:22.400 Oh. 00:52:23.119

--> 00:52:27.199 He escaped from the brushy Mountain State Penetr penitentiary. 00:52:27.360 --> 00:52:32.239 Ray covered only about 12 miles after running 54.5 hours. 00:52:32.320 --> 00:52:38.559 So he ran 54 hours in the woods and only ran five miles, hiding from the air searches during the day. 00:52:38.880 --> 00:52:43.679 Cantrell said to himself, I could do at least a hundred miles in those woods. 00:52:43.760 --> 00:52:45.840 And so that's where they came up with the idea for this race. 00:52:45.920 --> 00:52:50.960 And part of the race you actually run through the uh drainage sewers underneath that prison. 00:52:51.119 --> 00:52:53.519 But here's the crazy thing about this race, right? 00:52:54.559 --> 00:53:03.760 There's no entry forms, there's no websites to sign up, you have to know somebody who knows somebody who knows somebody, and you have to send a letter to sign up. 00:53:04.000 --> 00:53:10.960 If you get accepted, they send you a letter of condolences, apologizing for the fact that you're gonna have to run this son of a bitch. 00:53:11.440 --> 00:53:15.199 So they tell you when to show up on the weekend, but they don't tell you the start time. 00:53:15.519 --> 00:53:16.480 There's no start. 00:53:17.039 --> 00:53:18.480 You have to camp out. 00:53:18.800 --> 00:53:22.000 Two hours before the race starts, they blow a conch shell. 00:53:22.239 --> 00:53:26.079 And so it could start at three in the morning, it could start at noon. 00:53:26.239 --> 00:53:27.519 You have no idea. 00:53:27.679 --> 00:53:29.280 So you usually have to have a crew there. 00:53:29.360 --> 00:53:33.360 So what if you're sleeping at night and they blow this conch shell, somebody can come wake you up. 00:53:33.679 --> 00:53:40.079 After they blow the conch shell, the race itself is started by the lighting of the uh simonial cigarette. 00:53:40.400 --> 00:53:45.360 Tell me another, tell me another marathon you know that's lit by a cigarette. 00:53:47.440 --> 00:53:50.559 Um this race has been going on. 00:53:50.719 --> 00:53:59.679 The very first race started I think um 15 years ago. 00:54:01.280 --> 00:54:03.519 Dang, they've been doing it for 15 years old. 00:54:03.840 --> 00:54:05.760 Let's see, 1988, blah, blah, blah. 00:54:06.000 --> 00:54:07.199 When was the first one? 00:54:07.440 --> 00:54:09.119 I want to make sure I have this right. 00:54:09.440 --> 00:54:16.559 Um I think it's been going on 15 years, and only like 18 people's ever finished it. 00:54:16.880 --> 00:54:17.840 There is no map. 00:54:18.000 --> 00:54:18.960 There's one single map. 00:54:19.039 --> 00:54:20.880 When you show up, you have to make your own version of the map. 00:54:21.119 --> 00:54:22.800 So one person a year, basically. 00:54:23.039 --> 00:54:25.519 Well, this year was the first time a woman finished it. 00:54:25.920 --> 00:54:32.480 And and um so when you're running this, and um how they there's no map. 00:54:32.639 --> 00:54:36.000 They give you a map to look at, and

you have to make your own, you have to draw your own map. 00:54:36.079 --> 00:54:38.880 No technology allowed, so no GPS, nothing. 00:54:39.119 --> 00:54:41.679 I think you can have a smartwatch just to track yourself. 00:54:41.920 --> 00:54:48.800 And how they make sure you ran the race is you there's books hidden throughout the woods at checkpoints, and you have to pull the page. 00:54:50.400 --> 00:54:55.360 So if your bib number's 435, you have to pull out page 435 from all the books out there. 00:54:55.440 --> 00:54:58.880 That's and then every time you finish a lap, they count the pages. 00:54:59.119 --> 00:55:07.280 And then and so and then at the beginning of the next lap, they give you a new bib, because obviously you've already pulled those pages, so those pages won't exist anymore. 00:55:08.320 --> 00:55:16.960 One year, I forget the guy's name, he lost he no one else, everybody else had dropped out of the race because it's timed. 00:55:17.440 --> 00:55:28.000 One guy was left, he lost the race by five seconds because he he got lost because he was so tired. 00:55:28.800 --> 00:55:29.280 Oh my god. 00:55:29.519 --> 00:55:35.519 In 2024, two guys two guys and a woman, two guys and a woman won it in 2023. 00:55:35.599 --> 00:55:38.880 One of the guys who won lost in 2022. 00:55:39.119 --> 00:55:43.519 His fatigue was so bad, he was hype, he was hallucinating so bad. 00:55:43.599 --> 00:55:47.360 He was picked up by a cop in a mount town ten miles away. 00:55:47.519 --> 00:55:51.920 He was talking to a trash can thinking it was a woman asking for directions. 00:55:52.719 --> 00:55:54.000 Oh my god. 00:55:54.960 --> 00:55:59.119 Do yourself a favor, just go on YouTube, look up Barkley Marathon, and watch these documentaries. 00:55:59.199 --> 00:56:01.119 You'll be you want to talk about this one. 00:56:01.280 --> 00:56:02.000 Sounds nuts. 00:56:02.239 --> 00:56:06.800 And they're running through the woods and come back, their legs are all torn up from running through thorns. 00:56:07.039 --> 00:56:09.679 It's the most insane race. 00:56:11.039 --> 00:56:13.039 There's ones that I would try. 00:56:13.199 --> 00:56:21.039 Like, there's one, there's one documentary called like Last Man Standing, and it's like a two-mile or three-mile loop. 00:56:21.280 --> 00:56:23.599 Yeah, they're called Backyard, Backyard Marathons. 00:56:23.760 --> 00:56:25.599 They're based off of Barkley. 00:56:25.840 --> 00:56:26.960 You should look into those. 00:56:27.119 --> 00:56:28.960 Those are those would be interesting for you. 00:56:29.280 --> 00:56:56.159 And it's crazy because it's just like you just see the will of people, like it it start with about maybe 200, 300 people, and then by the time the night dust is in, they're down to what 15 people, and then even after that, you don't even sleep because like I think it's every like 30 minutes or 40 minutes you gotta get up and go do another loop. 00:56:56.320 --> 00:56:57.599 Get up and do another loop. 00:56:57.760 --> 00:57:03.440 So And then what happens is you get down to two people and it gets down to two people and it's a slug fest. 00:57:03.519 --> 00:57:08.639 And then when it gets down to one person, that one person has to run one more lap before he runs. 00:57:08.960 --> 00:57:09.119 Right. 00:57:09.280 --> 00:57:09.920 By themselves. 00:57:10.719 --> 00:57:11.199 By themselves. 00:57:11.920 --> 00:57:15.519 Yeah, the video's called Barclay Marathon, the race that eats its young. 00:57:15.840 --> 00:57:16.880 Oh, you know the best part? 00:57:16.960 --> 00:57:20.719 You know what the entry fee is for the Barclay Marathon if you were lucky enough to get chosen? 00:57:21.039 --> 00:57:21.440 What? 00:57:21.679 --> 00:57:23.039 One dollar and a license plate. 00:57:23.199 --> 00:57:25.039 So the guy's not even doing it to get rich. 00:57:25.119 --> 00:57:28.239 Most most of these marathons are two, three hundred dollars, you know. 00:57:28.400 --> 00:57:32.480 It's a dollar and a lyson plate, or one year is a dollar in a buttoned-up white t-shirt. 00:57:32.639 --> 00:57:36.880 Like he looks at uh I could use some socks, so hold it's a dollar and a pack of socks. 00:57:37.039 --> 00:57:38.960 Like he just changes it every year. 00:57:39.039 --> 00:57:41.519 It's the most anti-race race ever. 00:57:41.679 --> 00:57:45.039 And it's just the people who do it are just so hardcore. 00:57:45.280 --> 00:57:46.320 And it's the same way. 00:57:46.400 --> 00:57:48.639 And every other lap is every other lap rotates. 00:57:48.719 --> 00:57:52.159 So if you do the lap ones clockwise, lap twos counterclockwise. 00:57:52.800 --> 00:57:55.920 And so it's it's it's constantly changing. 00:57:57.039 --> 00:57:57.519 So yeah. 00:57:58.079 --> 00:57:59.119 Oh my god. 00:57:59.440 --> 00:58:00.880 So her name was Jasmine. 00:58:00.960 --> 00:58:02.960 I think I've seen something about this. 00:58:03.440 --> 00:58:04.880 Let me ask you crazy. 00:58:05.280 --> 00:58:14.000 How when you started running long distances, how did your uh contemporaries what was their uh thoughts and opinions on it? 00:58:16.000 --> 00:58:23.039 Um very encouraging at first, but then it became my lifestyle, right? 00:58:23.280 --> 00:58:26.719 So then Shaq wasn't staying out as long. 00:58:26.880 --> 00:58:35.360 Shaq wasn't getting drunk with us um every Thursday and every Friday and long run on Saturday. 00:58:35.599 --> 00:58:47.440 So um uh that dynamic kind of uh changed a little bit where my lifestyle really wasn't matching what like some of my friends were doing most of the time. 00:58:47.840 --> 00:58:50.880 But um they definitely respected it though. 00:58:50.960 --> 00:58:53.119 And they they show up to my races all the time. 00:58:53.199 --> 00:59:00.239 Like any race I have, like some of them are gonna fly out to Chicago um to come support me, um, all the way from New York. 00:59:01.039 --> 00:59:11.440 Well, the reason I ask, and um I've I've heard this mentioned before,

and I've looked into it, and I don't have to tell you, long distance running is definitely a white man sport. 00:59:12.400 --> 00:59:18.639 And it's it's making a change, but here's an interesting article I read, and that's why I said you're the perfect person to ask about this. 00:59:18.719 --> 00:59:19.599 I'm not gonna read the whole thing. 00:59:19.679 --> 00:59:22.719 I'll send I'll put the link on the website when we post this podcast. 00:59:22.960 --> 00:59:35.599 It starts off saying, despite the dominance in African running in long-distance races such as the 5,000 meter, 10,000 meter, and half marathons and marathons, African Americans themselves who enjoy long-distance running are fewer and far between. 00:59:35.679 --> 00:59:44.079 So basically, what they're saying, we all know Boston Marathon, New York Marathon, they're always won by uh you know, people from Africa, like literally, you know. 00:59:44.880 --> 00:59:54.079 But what it comes when it comes down to American-born, you know, blacks, it's the the the representation is not there, which leads to the second paragraph. 00:59:54.320 --> 00:59:55.840 Representation is important. 00:59:56.000 --> 01:00:01.760 From a young age, many African-American kids see themselves on television running in 100 meters, 200 meters. 01:00:01.920 --> 01:00:06.400 Many of them have never seen themselves running anything longer than a 400-meter race. 01:00:06.639 --> 01:00:16.079 Initially, many African-American kids are put into those short distance events, and through shorter distance events, they find what they are better suited for the speed races. 01:00:16.239 --> 01:00:25.039 For Madison Gordon, a senior at the FAMU cross-country team, her journey to cross-country was a lot like other kids, mainly a cheerleader. 01:00:25.119 --> 01:00:28.239 She began competing in cross-country in middle school. 01:00:28.400 --> 01:00:32.639 There, she was discovered by a club distance coach, and the rest is history. 01:00:32.800 --> 01:00:38.639 She said she is grateful for the opportunities that she has had along the way due to her long distance running career. 01:00:38.719 --> 01:00:48.239 Quote, it, cross-country, has afforded me a gift of playing for school paying for schooling and blessing me with numerous friends I now consider family, she said. 01:00:48.400 --> 01:00:57.039 In addition to the opportunities Gordon's received, she says that the running cross-country has helped her increase her mental toughness, which is so true. 01:00:57.599 --> 01:01:02.800 People don't realize long distance running is a mental game. 01:01:02.960 --> 01:01:08.400 I often say long distance 60% of long distance running is the view because it affects you mentally. 01:01:08.639 --> 01:01:14.000 Um quote, there are times I haven't been running my best and I would become very discouraged, Gordon said. 01:01:14.159 --> 01:01:22.880 But I am grateful for those moments mentally, those moments have prepared me on how to handle it and deal with obstacles life throws at me. 01:01:23.039 --> 01:01:41.360 And you can definitely long distance running is great for um depression, it's great for anxiety, and it gives you like you cannot run 10 miles, you'll process, you'll come home with a lot of solutions to a lot of problems you've been dealing with because even if you're listening to music, you you think about things, right? 01:01:41.840 --> 01:01:51.840 And so, um, as a biology pre-med student, Gordon wholeheartedly recognizes the health challenges that African Americans disproportionately have faced. 01:01:51.920 --> 01:02:01.280 She's uh believes running can significantly benefit African Americans, improving their cardiovascular health and uh decreasing their risk in hypertension diabetes and obesities. 01:02:01.360 --> 01:02:16.079 And long story short, it goes on to question why it is that for whatever reason in the American black communities that the the interest isn't there after the meter races. 01:02:16.159 --> 01:02:21.679 It's you know, the half marathons, the the the more that's starting to change. 01:02:21.920 --> 01:02:37.280 But what do you think it is initially that it's it's I think it's just not yes, we see people uh um finish marathons and like Kenyans and whatever the cases may be, but like it's just not as cool. 01:02:37.360 --> 01:02:38.159 You know what I'm saying? 01:02:38.239 --> 01:02:45.920 Like if I'm a kid from New York in the Bronx, like LeBron James is way more somebody I want to be. 01:02:46.239 --> 01:02:48.800 Um uh Lamar Jackson. 01:02:48.880 --> 01:02:50.400 I want to be like Lamar Jackson. 01:02:50.559 --> 01:02:54.000 I don't I don't necessarily want to be uh Kipchoge, right? 01:02:54.239 --> 01:03:06.480 Because like it's just it's just not that like exciting to look up to him, and then on top of that, it's just like um it's just more it's what's available to you. 01:03:06.639 --> 01:03:12.800 Like some some schools don't even have like a track team, like or a long-distance cross-country team. 01:03:12.880 --> 01:03:16.559 It's just like, oh, these is these is what we're able to offer. 01:03:16.719 --> 01:03:19.760 So basketball, for you to football, and maybe wrestling. 01:03:20.239 --> 01:03:27.920 Yeah, so for you to really get into like cross-country or anything like over a 5k, like it's like pulling teeth. 01:03:28.079 --> 01:03:32.159 You really gotta be looking for it or like find it in that in that way. 01:03:32.400 --> 01:03:34.639 Do you think the fame aspects has anything to do with it? 01:03:34.800 --> 01:03:45.119 I mean, we all know famous basketball players, baseball players, football players, but how many, you know, how many times do you turn on unless it's the Olympics rolling around and old subway commercials? 01:03:45.199 --> 01:03:51.280 When's the last time you turn on a uh a Nike commercial and they're showing a you know a marathon winner or an ultra-marathon runner? 01:03:51.599 --> 01:03:52.400 They're not.

01:03:52.639 --> 01:03:57.679 Yeah, and how many multimillionaire marathon runners do we know or ultra-marathon? 01:03:57.760 --> 01:04:09.920 You know, they get sponsored, they might, you know, they could possibly make 120 grand or more a year, which is a good lifestyle, but compared to other athletes, it's a hell of a lot more working out for a hell of a lot less money. 01:04:10.239 --> 01:04:13.440 And if if I'm being honest, I don't even know. 01:04:13.599 --> 01:04:19.760 Like, I don't I I can't give you if you ask me right now, if you don't place in the marathon, do you still get paid? 01:04:20.000 --> 01:04:21.599 I couldn't give you an answer. 01:04:21.760 --> 01:04:24.800 I think I'm I will be like, uh I don't know. 01:04:24.960 --> 01:04:27.119 I think only the people that place get paid. 01:04:27.280 --> 01:04:33.920 Like, and the other way you get paid is through endorsements, but well, with running, that's almost the only way. 01:04:34.079 --> 01:04:38.000 I mean, there's you're not running the Boston Marathon and getting a ten thousand dollar check. 01:04:38.079 --> 01:04:41.519 I mean, it's pretty much you're doing it for clout and sponsorships. 01:04:41.840 --> 01:04:42.480 Right. 01:04:42.960 --> 01:04:46.239 So I definitely think that's definitely part of it. 01:04:46.320 --> 01:04:54.719 Like, it's just it's just not something that like is at the top of the menu when it comes to sports you want to do. 01:04:55.199 --> 01:05:08.000 If I had like the magic wand, the the one thing I wish I could do for people, especially people who are facing depression, high anxiety, whatever, and you've been there, and people the running high. 01:05:08.079 --> 01:05:09.199 Well, what's the running high? 01:05:09.440 --> 01:05:14.079 Running high is something that happens to your brain when you maintain a pace for a long distance at time. 01:05:14.159 --> 01:05:18.320 For me, it's eight miles if I can run the same nine-minute pace for eight miles. 01:05:19.280 --> 01:05:26.079 Only way I can describe it is my brain disconnects from my body, my body goes into overdrive, and you start thinking about everything. 01:05:26.239 --> 01:05:28.000 You're not you're no longer focusing on the race. 01:05:28.079 --> 01:05:30.719 Your your body is literally on auto is on cruise control. 01:05:31.440 --> 01:05:40.000 You're I explain it like you're a pilot and you put the paint the plane in autopilot, and you're you're most likely running a route that you already know. 01:05:40.079 --> 01:05:42.639 So like you really don't need to make much turns or anything. 01:05:42.880 --> 01:05:46.480 It's kind of like when you drive home and you don't remember the last 20 minutes of that drive. 01:05:46.559 --> 01:05:47.280 It's the same thing. 01:05:47.440 --> 01:05:52.239 The only difference is when you get home, your your wife or your parents are looking at like, have you been drinking? 01:05:52.480 --> 01:05:54.719 Because my wife always said, she's like, What's wrong

with you? 01:05:54.880 --> 01:05:56.000 Because you're like zoned out. 01:05:56.159 --> 01:05:59.599 Well, you that and you're all energized, you're like talking a mile a minute, like you're like you're on. 01:06:00.079 --> 01:06:05.280 Ecstasy and all that, you're just you have all these endorphins and you your your brains disconnected. 01:06:05.360 --> 01:06:12.880 I remember one time I I I was running back, I was only six or seven miles, and but I was ran this is back when I was like 36. 01:06:12.960 --> 01:06:27.760 I think I was I maintained like a you know eight nine minute pace for like six miles, and I said, Holy shit, I hope I don't I hope I don't ever get like stopped by a cop like somebody thought I was because I physically would not be able to stop running. 01:06:27.920 --> 01:06:28.880 I would have to run in the circle. 01:06:29.039 --> 01:06:31.679 Yes, officer, because I I my legs will not stop. 01:06:31.760 --> 01:06:44.559 They would like kick my ass, like trying to think I'm running from the cops, because once you run eight, nine miles and can at a consistent pace, which is something else I want to ask you running in New York, you physically can't stop. 01:06:44.639 --> 01:06:46.559 If like the cop knocked you down, you'd be like Homer. 01:06:46.719 --> 01:06:51.360 You'd be walking, you'd be running in that circle with your legs still going because you can't just stop. 01:06:51.679 --> 01:06:52.559 It's crazy. 01:06:52.719 --> 01:07:04.639 You're like a you're like a train that's just it's the uh the steam engine's gone, and until that steam is burnt off, that that hydraulic pump, your legs are gone non-stop. 01:07:04.719 --> 01:07:18.000 And it's it's crazy what your body can go through, but the gift I wish I could do is take that mind state and just and put that into somebody who's been sitting on the couch all day and just let them experience that for half a second. 01:07:18.159 --> 01:07:19.840 There's no explaining it. 01:07:20.480 --> 01:07:33.199 I my coach used to get mad at me sometimes because he'll be like, hey Shaq, do seven, do six today, do eight today, and I end up doing ten and eleven because I'm like, hey coach, I was feeling good. 01:07:33.280 --> 01:07:35.199 I didn't even know I was running that much. 01:07:35.360 --> 01:07:41.440 Sometimes, even in my videos where I do like the mile check where I'm like, mile five, six thirty-eight, mile seven, six. 01:07:42.079 --> 01:07:48.239 Sometimes I skip miles because my my watch goes off and I don't even check it because I'm just so zoned in. 01:07:48.320 --> 01:07:59.519 I'm just so like possessed at this moment, and I'm just like not even thinking I end up doing more than I uh I was supposed to do because the body's just feeling so good and it's just running. 01:07:59.760 --> 01:08:01.199 Two more questions before we wrap it up. 01:08:01.280 --> 01:08:02.000 We went a little long. 01:08:02.079 --> 01:08:02.480 That's alright. 01:08:02.559 --> 01:08:06.800 That's

the best part about podcasters, no time constraints, with the exception of you know, if you gotta get off. 01:08:06.960 --> 01:08:11.119 Um do you run with earbuds or without? 01:08:11.679 --> 01:08:13.039 I do run with earbuds. 01:08:13.119 --> 01:08:14.320 I do run with earbuds. 01:08:14.480 --> 01:08:25.199 Um the thing is, one one of the most uh I'll say like tricks I've learned is um to like sing while I'm running or talk while I'm running. 01:08:25.520 --> 01:08:33.920 And that makes sure that makes sure I I'm checking in, like, oh, am I running at a like nice pace right now? 01:08:34.159 --> 01:08:34.560 Yeah, yeah. 01:08:34.640 --> 01:08:36.399 Am I running at a nice pace right now? 01:08:36.640 --> 01:08:46.000 Because um that helps me a lot to like that's like a hack for me to be like, okay, I'm chilling, like I can sing, I can talk, or something like that, and I'm fine. 01:08:46.159 --> 01:08:46.399 Yeah. 01:08:46.640 --> 01:08:49.920 But also like I like to hear David Goggins. 01:08:50.000 --> 01:08:51.840 Sometimes I like to hear David Goggins in my air. 01:08:52.079 --> 01:08:53.039 It's funny you bring that up. 01:08:53.119 --> 01:08:53.600 Two things. 01:08:53.680 --> 01:08:57.119 Um, run into music, your body will instinctively match the rhythm. 01:08:57.279 --> 01:09:03.279 So, like, if you're gonna make a playlist, you want to fluctuate so that you're not running that super high beats per minute unless you're doing a race. 01:09:03.600 --> 01:09:05.520 Your body will match that music. 01:09:05.920 --> 01:09:09.840 I actually run to what they call Americana music, I call it New Age bluegrass. 01:09:09.920 --> 01:09:16.000 We're talking like uh Dead South um Turnpike Troubadours, and and for two reasons. 01:09:16.159 --> 01:09:19.439 One, they have bass in them, but they also have banjos, which is fast. 01:09:19.600 --> 01:09:31.039 But more importantly, they have lyrical content, and half these songs are six minutes long, and so your run feels short when you listen to 15, six-minute songs instead of 38, two-minute songs. 01:09:31.199 --> 01:09:39.279 So they have a fast pace, so you maintain a fast pace, but they're telling stories in these songs, and so it's almost like listening to an audiobook with music. 01:09:39.520 --> 01:09:42.720 And then I do go on Spotify and I listen to David Goggins. 01:09:43.039 --> 01:09:53.520 There's two different playlists on Spotify right now, one with the blue thumbnail and one with the white thumbnail, and it's David Goggins and then a few other people, um, whoever wrote the books, uh, When You Want It, As Bad As You Want to Breathe. 01:09:53.600 --> 01:09:54.800 I can't remember who did that one. 01:09:54.960 --> 01:09:59.600 His stuff's on there, and then they got one I think that intertwines some Eric Thomas. 01:09:59.840 --> 01:10:05.600 Eric Thomas, and then there's one where they mix EDM music with some clips from uh I think Dragon Ball. 01:10:05.840 --> 01:10:07.520 That one's in there

too. 01:10:07.840 --> 01:10:13.760 Um so I was just got started back into racing, and I was training for this 15k. 01:10:14.079 --> 01:10:20.960 I I a trail race, it was out at this uh Christian youth camp and it's in the Florida woods and it's all sand. 01:10:21.359 --> 01:10:25.920 So I was listening to David Goggins, and I listened to David Goggins the race before. 01:10:26.079 --> 01:10:28.560 And so these were the races I just got back into. 01:10:28.720 --> 01:10:34.479 And so the runs for the arts I ran on February 4th, 11-minute mile. 01:10:34.720 --> 01:10:38.000 I I also blew out my knee a year and a half ago, so I'm coming back from that. 01:10:38.560 --> 01:10:39.359 You took a whole year off. 01:10:39.600 --> 01:10:41.439 Actually, my last race was 2020. 01:10:43.600 --> 01:10:52.239 I went from 2021, I ran my last savage race in 2021, I didn't run another race until 2024, so I took almost two and a half years off. 01:10:52.399 --> 01:10:56.000 I blew my knee out, got hurt, started bass fishing all the time. 01:10:56.239 --> 01:11:09.199 But anyhow, so when I ran that public race run for the arts, I was listening to the David Goggins stuff, and I was, you know, my my pace was 1131, but I think they don't have it on here. 01:11:09.279 --> 01:11:11.840 I think if I were looking at my strawberry, I think I got a nine-minute mile. 01:11:11.920 --> 01:11:13.840 I think my mile two was like nine minutes. 01:11:14.079 --> 01:11:16.319 So I actually I did train some time off. 01:11:16.479 --> 01:11:20.960 So when I went to do that 15k, it was out in the swamps. 01:11:21.359 --> 01:11:22.640 I made two mistakes. 01:11:22.800 --> 01:11:25.760 Now that I've gotten older, I'm starting to develop plantar fasciitis. 01:11:25.840 --> 01:11:31.920 I have discovered that I have to walk run two miles before my run run in order to loosen up. 01:11:32.159 --> 01:11:32.479 Okay. 01:11:32.640 --> 01:11:36.239 And so I went out on the course and got lost a little bit, and I have it up on my YouTube channel. 01:11:36.479 --> 01:11:42.800 Ended up doing, I think I ran through a walk ran like four miles before this damn 15K even started. 01:11:43.039 --> 01:11:46.079 But more importantly, I'm out in the swamps. 01:11:46.319 --> 01:11:47.680 My T-Mobile cut out. 01:11:47.760 --> 01:11:48.800 So here I am. 01:11:49.359 --> 01:11:51.199 We were saying, run as you train. 01:11:51.279 --> 01:11:53.279 I've been running, listening to music all these years. 01:11:53.359 --> 01:11:57.279 And so now I'm out in the woods listening to my fat ass breathe and tromping. 01:11:57.359 --> 01:11:58.000 No music. 01:11:58.159 --> 01:12:04.000 Every once in a while, T-Mobile would connect, and then I would hear I'd be running, it'd be nice and quiet, and who's gonna carry the boat? 01:12:04.079 --> 01:12:08.159 You you're gonna do it! And then it cuts out, and then it's just me breathing again. 01:12:08.399 --> 01:12:16.399 And so when you're used to running to the tempo of the

music, and now there's no tempo, it that and my th my four-mile pre-run. 01:12:16.560 --> 01:12:23.760 I still finished third in my age group, but I was I was one person away from uh it would have been my first ever DFL, my dead fucking last. 01:12:23.840 --> 01:12:30.319 I almost finished DFL because my I blew out all my energy before the races, I got lost on the course. 01:12:31.359 --> 01:12:36.399 And then I had no music with like three times in that that nine miles. 01:12:36.479 --> 01:12:38.720 I think David kicked in like once or twice. 01:12:38.800 --> 01:12:41.359 But so it's you really found out what you was made of. 01:12:41.520 --> 01:12:43.840 You really found out what you was made of out there. 01:12:44.079 --> 01:12:48.079 And and that's kind of where I posted this on my YouTube, I think. 01:12:48.239 --> 01:12:50.399 No, I haven't posted it yet, it's still on my phone. 01:12:50.640 --> 01:12:54.640 So Saturday morning I got up and I did seven miles. 01:12:55.039 --> 01:12:58.560 And I'm older now, I'm dealing with the fact that I'm not gonna get any faster. 01:12:58.720 --> 01:13:01.520 My hypothesis is that's why you see old people run ultra marathons. 01:13:01.600 --> 01:13:03.199 We're getting slower, but we can run further. 01:13:03.279 --> 01:13:05.600 That's why you see like 50-year-old dudes running 100-mile races. 01:13:05.760 --> 01:13:08.079 We're not getting any faster, but we can run further. 01:13:08.399 --> 01:13:18.000 But I I had this question because once again I'm part of this slow as fuck run group on Facebook, and a lot of people the annoying thing is a lot of people get all butthurt when people start posting eight-minute miles. 01:13:18.079 --> 01:13:19.920 That's not slow, that might be slow to them. 01:13:20.000 --> 01:13:24.000 They maybe used to run seven minute miles, as they're so it's different for everybody. 01:13:25.439 --> 01:13:30.079 But more importantly, there's people there looking just for motivation, people who never ran before. 01:13:30.800 --> 01:13:33.279 And you know, people and I had this thought. 01:13:33.439 --> 01:13:35.119 It's like, what is a runner? 01:13:35.439 --> 01:13:39.439 If you just got into this, when do you know you're a runner? 01:13:39.760 --> 01:13:41.119 Is it seven minute miles? 01:13:41.199 --> 01:13:42.479 Is it ten minute miles? 01:13:42.800 --> 01:13:47.279 And let me know what you think of this theory I came up with, especially for people just getting into this. 01:13:48.399 --> 01:13:53.439 My answer is when walking becomes the sanctuary, and let me explain this. 01:13:53.760 --> 01:14:02.560 When you first get into this, if you never ran in school, you never played sports, maybe you're 20, 30 pounds, you're getting into running late, or you're young and you're wanting to lose weight. 01:14:02.800 --> 01:14:07.119 When we all start running, it usually starts out with a walk and a jog. 01:14:07.359 --> 01:14:09.760 You go down the street and you come back, right?

01:14:09.920 --> 01:14:12.319 You go around the block three times, you come back. 01:14:12.479 --> 01:14:15.439 And while you're getting into this, you're walking and jogging for the first time. 01:14:15.520 --> 01:14:18.079 All you can think about is the sanctuary of the couch. 01:14:18.880 --> 01:14:20.720 I just want to go home, I'm done. 01:14:20.960 --> 01:14:22.319 I just want to go home and chill. 01:14:22.479 --> 01:14:25.840 Sit in the couch, sit on the bed, take a shower, whatever. 01:14:26.000 --> 01:14:36.800 And you slowly start developing that tolerance, and slowly you start jogging more, and then next thing you know, you're running, and then your next goal is to run a mile for the first time without stopping. 01:14:37.119 --> 01:14:43.359 I discovered, and I think a good way, especially for someone who's starting, when are you a runner? 01:14:43.600 --> 01:14:50.239 You're a runner when the couch is no longer a sanctuary, the walk is a sanctuary. 01:14:50.399 --> 01:14:52.880 You're no longer focused on I can't wait to stop running. 01:14:52.960 --> 01:14:55.359 No, it's I just want to walk for 30 seconds. 01:14:55.520 --> 01:14:59.760 When you get to the point where you're looking for the walk, you maintain that forward momentum. 01:14:59.920 --> 01:15:01.520 Congratulations, you're now a runner. 01:15:01.600 --> 01:15:06.319 You're no longer wanting to stop, you're not wanting to sit down, you're just looking forward to walk. 01:15:06.479 --> 01:15:10.640 I think you can call yourself a runner when you're just looking forward to the walk. 01:15:10.880 --> 01:15:14.000 I just want to walk for 30 seconds and I'll stop running, start running again. 01:15:14.159 --> 01:15:15.199 Let me just walk. 01:15:15.439 --> 01:15:16.640 I think that's when you're running. 01:15:16.800 --> 01:15:19.439 Because prior to that, because prior to that, you just want to stop. 01:15:19.600 --> 01:15:20.239 I'm done. 01:15:20.319 --> 01:15:22.880 I just want to sit down, call an Uber and get a ride home. 01:15:23.119 --> 01:15:33.600 No, so you know, you may go out and do 10 miles and walk, run a lot of it, but you're maintaining that forward momentum, and at no point do you physically stop and give up. 01:15:33.840 --> 01:15:40.880 I think a good way to judge when you become a runner is when the walk becomes a sanctuary instead of the sitting down. 01:15:41.359 --> 01:15:43.199 Yeah, I agree with that 1000%. 01:15:43.760 --> 01:15:48.319 I've never I've never caught an Uber home, any of like that. 01:15:48.720 --> 01:15:54.479 If like I feel like I'm not feeling well, my stomach is messed up or something, I'll probably turn around. 01:15:54.960 --> 01:16:05.359 But as far as like calling over and just not walking or finishing it, like you gotta finish it somehow. 01:16:05.600 --> 01:16:10.319 And that's what I feel like you made a good point there, where like, yeah. 01:16:10.800 --> 01:16:17.279 Yeah, if I remember driving down the street and I'm seeing somebody heavy set running, I'm all thumbs up, I'm honking fucking go get it. 01:16:17.680 --> 01:16:19.520 Go get it, because you're out there trying to do something about it. 01:16:20.000 --> 01:16:33.680 Now I wouldn't suggest you not do it at noon on Saturday, the hottest part of the day, maybe wait until like 7 30 at night, but at least you're out there doing um it it motivates it pumps me up when I see people who you know are clearly starting their journey. 01:16:33.760 --> 01:16:35.279 But one last question. 01:16:36.479 --> 01:16:45.760 Being in New York, how the hell are you running long distances without coming to intersections and having to stop your pace and your momentum every three blocks? 01:16:46.000 --> 01:16:47.359 I'm lucky where I live. 01:16:47.439 --> 01:16:55.680 I can run I can run a sp from here to Starbucks down the road if I take the long ways about four miles. 01:16:55.760 --> 01:16:58.880 So I can do an eight-mile loop and only have to come to one stoplight. 01:16:59.119 --> 01:17:01.119 I'm only drawing a place one time. 01:17:01.359 --> 01:17:08.800 How the hell do you do that in New York without having to stop every two blocks at a stoplight and kill your pace and your and your four momentum? 01:17:09.119 --> 01:17:16.319 If if if you see in my captions say King of New York, and I'm telling you right now, I run like I'm the king of the city. 01:17:16.479 --> 01:17:26.319 Hey, if there is sometimes there is times where I have to stop, whereas like it's probably like uh a crazy intersection. 01:17:26.560 --> 01:17:45.359 But most of the time, I'm looking at the light, I'm trying to time it perfectly, and most of my runs, I would say like if I do like today I did a seven-mile run, probably like three miles was probably like in the street where I had to like beat the traffic light and stuff like that. 01:17:45.520 --> 01:17:52.880 So most of my runs are not mainly in the street, but when it is, I try to time the light perfectly. 01:17:53.119 --> 01:17:57.760 Um I try to like run around cars. 01:17:57.840 --> 01:18:06.319 You know how you like sometimes you have that weird timing where it's like you in the car and it's like you like as soon as the car passed, like I'm running right behind it. 01:18:06.399 --> 01:18:08.720 Like that's so that's getting so much harder. 01:18:08.880 --> 01:18:10.640 Well, uh I'm 46. 01:18:10.720 --> 01:18:12.159 I grew up skateboarding in the 80s. 01:18:12.720 --> 01:18:13.520 It's an Olympic sport. 01:18:13.920 --> 01:18:32.800 I grew up skateboarding in the 80s and 90s, no one had cell phones, no one was looking at their phones, and so I grew up skateboarding in the streets, parking lots, people paid attention, and so as long as both parties are maintaining their forward momentum at the current rate of speed and they're maintaining where they're going, we both shall pass and go along with our lives. 01:18:33.119 --> 01:18:33.359 Right. 01:18:33.600 --> 01:18:39.520 The thing that

drives me crazy, especially down here, is the fact that no one uses their turn signals. 01:18:39.760 --> 01:18:45.279 And it's like, look, if you use your turn signal, we know what your intentions are. 01:18:46.720 --> 01:18:58.640 So when I'm running and I'm maintaining my pace, and all of a sudden you're sitting in the street just sitting there because it turns out you want to turn, if your turn signal is on, I could either slow down or speed up. 01:18:59.439 --> 01:19:03.359 We have this social construct, we have this relationship for this given moment of time. 01:19:03.600 --> 01:19:09.279 And if you participate in this relationship by letting me know what your intentions are, I can accommodate you. 01:19:09.439 --> 01:19:19.920 But because I have no idea what the hell you're doing, now you're mad because you're saying turn on your turn signal, and I can help you get on with your life, and you I can get on my life, and we both can get going. 01:19:20.079 --> 01:19:28.159 But if you're sitting there and I don't know what you want to do, and by the way, I'm six miles into this, I'm locked in, you know. 01:19:28.399 --> 01:19:28.640 Right. 01:19:29.119 --> 01:19:30.479 Hey, I try sometimes. 01:19:30.560 --> 01:19:36.720 I even try to like make eye contact or like try to get like a head knot. 01:19:36.800 --> 01:19:39.199 Like, I know you got the light, but let me pass. 01:19:39.439 --> 01:19:40.960 Or further, thank you. 01:19:41.119 --> 01:19:43.680 Here, if you guys don't run, you just listen to this podcast. 01:19:43.760 --> 01:19:49.279 If you're driving on the street and you're making a turn and a runner waves you on, don't do this. 01:19:49.359 --> 01:19:50.399 No, you go. 01:19:50.720 --> 01:19:51.920 Let them take control. 01:19:52.000 --> 01:19:54.319 Once again, they may be 12-15 miles into this. 01:19:54.399 --> 01:19:56.239 They're trying to, they're an autopilot. 01:19:56.399 --> 01:19:58.079 If they wave you on, go ahead and go. 01:19:58.159 --> 01:20:02.239 Don't do the oh no, stop, because then you it's it's a fucking nightmare. 01:20:02.399 --> 01:20:04.159 Let them go because chances are you'll go. 01:20:04.239 --> 01:20:08.720 And as Shaq said, they'll maintain, and as you pass, he'll run right past your tail lights. 01:20:09.039 --> 01:20:09.279 Right. 01:20:09.520 --> 01:20:13.359 He's not stopping, you're not stopping, you're both moving on with your life. 01:20:13.680 --> 01:20:14.159 Right. 01:20:14.640 --> 01:20:18.000 And all it requires is you to go uh with a turn signal. 01:20:18.159 --> 01:20:21.119 You're not getting down on your dashboard and and hot wiring two. 01:20:21.439 --> 01:20:22.239 I look, I get it. 01:20:22.319 --> 01:20:25.359 If you're turn signal, you gotta get underneath the dashboard and touch two burn. 01:20:25.680 --> 01:20:29.840 No, you gotta switch and you either go up or down with your index finger. 01:20:30.000 --> 01:20:31.600 It doesn't burn a lot of calories. 01:20:31.760 --> 01:20:34.960

So you do that, we'll say, go ahead, fella. 01:20:35.199 --> 01:20:37.680 You go on your life, and we'll run behind you. 01:20:37.840 --> 01:20:40.479 And when I'm driving too, I'm looking out for runners. 01:20:40.560 --> 01:20:43.920 I'm like, hey, I already know what type of time he or she is on. 01:20:44.079 --> 01:20:45.520 I'm gonna let them do their thing. 01:20:45.600 --> 01:20:48.880 Like, I'm looking out for runners because I know how it is, I know the struggle. 01:20:49.199 --> 01:20:49.600 Yep. 01:20:50.560 --> 01:20:52.479 Shaq, where can people find you? 01:20:53.119 --> 01:20:56.479 Uh you can find me on Instagram, you can find me on YouTube. 01:20:56.800 --> 01:20:59.039 My Instagram is Shack TV. 01:21:00.079 --> 01:21:08.159 It will be Shack underscore TV3, and my TikTok will be Shack TV altogether. 01:21:08.479 --> 01:21:09.680 What are you training for now? 01:21:10.000 --> 01:21:10.960 What's next? 01:21:11.439 --> 01:21:12.800 I'm training for Chicago. 01:21:12.960 --> 01:21:14.399 Big news, people, big news. 01:21:14.479 --> 01:21:15.840 I'm training for Chicago. 01:21:16.000 --> 01:21:17.840 I'm running sub three. 01:21:18.319 --> 01:21:26.560 I feel like that's gonna be one of the accomplishments of my life that I can tell my kids like, hey, your pops was once that guy. 01:21:26.880 --> 01:21:30.319 What it probably still is that guy, but what are you gonna have to trim? 01:21:30.560 --> 01:21:33.760 We know you we know historically you run about a 720. 01:21:33.840 --> 01:21:34.640 What are you gonna have to do? 01:21:34.800 --> 01:21:35.279 Hit sixes? 01:21:35.520 --> 01:21:36.000 What's your goal? 01:21:36.560 --> 01:21:39.760 Yeah, so I gotta hit six fifty for twenty-six miles. 01:21:40.720 --> 01:21:41.680 26.2. 01:21:42.560 --> 01:21:45.760 So real quick, uh I know I keep threatening to let you go. 01:21:46.000 --> 01:21:47.039 Give us a quick synops. 01:21:47.279 --> 01:21:49.279 What was running London Marathon like? 01:21:50.319 --> 01:21:51.439 Quick synopsis. 01:21:51.600 --> 01:21:55.199 I straight jokes. 01:21:55.359 --> 01:21:57.680 Like these people do not take it serious. 01:21:58.000 --> 01:22:03.760 Everywhere there was people in costumes, um, it was like a big party, honestly. 01:22:03.920 --> 01:22:07.520 Um, New York got a New York has the best crowd, hands out. 01:22:07.760 --> 01:22:13.760 But as far as people in the race, the craziest people you've ever seen in your life. 01:22:13.840 --> 01:22:16.640 They they just didn't take it seriously. 01:22:16.800 --> 01:22:23.039 There was there were people dressed up in a school bus, there was people tied together, there was people drinking. 01:22:23.359 --> 01:22:27.039 It it was it was just crazy, and I loved it. 01:22:27.279 --> 01:22:33.439 It's insane how somebody holding a sign and cheering can actually motivate you on mile 18. 01:22:34.159 --> 01:22:38.000 Just you know, people who've never done it, like, what are these people out here cheering for? 01:22:38.079 --> 01:22:42.159 I remember I don't the Marco Island half marathon eight miles into it. 01:22:42.239 --> 01:22:48.640 There's just out in the middle of a road in middle of Florida, two guys with a guitar amplifier just playing their guitar, and it helps. 01:22:48.800 --> 01:22:50.239 It it so helps. 01:22:51.199 --> 01:22:56.560 But thank you so much for coming on, getting through the pain cave, definitely. 01:22:56.640 --> 01:22:57.680 Thank you so much for coming on. 01:22:57.840 --> 01:23:02.319 You guys want to support what we do here, head over to failtofail.com or dehyphen410.com. 01:23:02.399 --> 01:23:04.399 So sign up and subscribe on our Patreon. 01:23:04.560 --> 01:23:06.239 It goes a long way to support what we do here. 01:23:06.319 --> 01:23:07.439 It's only a dollar a month. 01:23:07.520 --> 01:23:14.560 You get access to exclusive content from our other podcasts as well, or simply head over to youtube.com, look up d410 media. 01:23:14.800 --> 01:23:17.279 I do have my different playlists on there. 01:23:17.520 --> 01:23:28.000 Unlike a lot of people who have single content on their stuff, I'm a dynamic person, I have multiple talents, I have multiple hobbies, so I have playlists just like a TV station has different shows. 01:23:28.079 --> 01:23:28.960 I have different playlists. 01:23:29.039 --> 01:23:31.520 So I have my poles and paddle with our bass fishing. 01:23:31.600 --> 01:23:38.560 I got the fail to fail with all the OCR running and my training and all that stuff, and so we have plenty plenty of content. 01:23:38.720 --> 01:23:40.880 My World War II podcast is up there as well. 01:23:41.039 --> 01:23:48.399 So head over to D410 Media on YouTube, like and subscribe, just watch some pod videos, doesn't cost you a thing. 01:23:48.640 --> 01:23:51.119 Go so far to help us with what we're doing here. 01:23:51.199 --> 01:23:56.079 And as always, go over to failtofail.com, find a page for this episode. 01:23:56.239 --> 01:23:58.000 You can see what our boy Shaq looks like. 01:23:58.079 --> 01:24:02.239 You can get links to all his social medias and photos and all that good stuff. 01:24:02.399 --> 01:24:05.520 Thank you guys so much, and we will talk to you all later. 01:24:05.840 --> 01:24:09.439 This has been a digital 410 production.