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impact in some way. 00:04:31.920 --> 00:04:35.279 And the first way I knew how is to get an education. 00:04:35.360 --> 00:04:39.519 So then I had the knowledge to have the skills that will be everlasting. 00:04:39.759 --> 00:04:44.959 And it would also build my self-worth for anyone otherwise that would challenge that. 00:04:45.279 --> 00:04:46.879 Education was part of the key. 00:04:46.959 --> 00:04:49.600 And so it was that was just part of the journey. 00:04:49.759 --> 00:04:53.040 So that's what that funded me, that got me forward. 00:04:53.199 --> 00:04:54.560 And I learned a lot. 00:04:54.720 --> 00:05:03.360 I learned I learned grit even more, even though there's things in childhood that builds you through it, but then you're faced with it in the military in a war zone. 00:05:03.519 --> 00:05:08.480 Um, you learn hard work values on top of you know what you've been through. 00:05:08.720 --> 00:05:13.920 And it built my confidence and it started building upon my self-worth. 00:05:14.720 --> 00:05:15.519 That's amazing. 00:05:15.680 --> 00:05:17.920 I gotta believe, Dan, what do you think about this? 00:05:18.000 --> 00:05:18.879 That uh Dr. 00:05:19.040 --> 00:05:22.160 Romina is not living paycheck to paycheck any longer. 00:05:23.120 --> 00:05:24.240 That's very fortunate. 00:05:24.399 --> 00:05:25.759 It took a long time. 00:05:26.399 --> 00:05:27.839 Hey, a lot of hard work, right? 00:05:27.920 --> 00:05:28.560 It paid off. 00:05:28.959 --> 00:05:29.120 Yeah. 00:05:29.360 --> 00:05:37.759 So, you know, those hard times back and then taught you some life lessons to help you and the military to help you with where you are today. 00:05:38.079 --> 00:05:38.720 Absolutely. 00:05:38.879 --> 00:05:43.360 And even a broader mission to to change the trajectory of my family. 00:05:43.519 --> 00:05:46.319 That was also something I didn't want to continue. 00:05:46.639 --> 00:05:48.879 Um, you could call it generational trauma. 00:05:48.959 --> 00:05:50.160 I didn't want to continue that. 00:05:50.319 --> 00:05:51.439 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:05:51.600 --> 00:05:54.160 Wow, wow, outstanding, outstanding. 00:05:54.399 --> 00:05:55.360 Yeah, that's amazing. 00:05:55.600 --> 00:05:55.759 Dr. 00:05:55.920 --> 00:05:58.720 Amina, were you a were you a physician in the military also? 00:05:59.279 --> 00:06:01.680 No, I went straight from high school, enlisted. 00:06:01.759 --> 00:06:02.079 Yeah. 00:06:03.759 --> 00:06:04.240 Wow. 00:06:04.399 --> 00:06:05.360 Yeah, wow. 00:06:05.600 --> 00:06:06.399 Interesting. 00:06:06.639 --> 00:06:07.600 Interesting. 00:06:08.079 --> 00:06:11.519 Um, I want to I want to get into the medicine aspect of things a little bit. 00:06:11.839 --> 00:06:14.079 Um, so quick question for you here. 00:06:14.480 --> 00:06:17.759 You talk a lot about the root cause medicine of things. 00:06:17.920 --> 00:06:33.040 So instead of just symptom management, what do you think conventional medicine misses most often today when people are told that their lab results look normal, but they still feel out of it, they don't feel good, they feel terrible, tired, achy, things like that. 00:06:33.199 --> 00:06:36.319 What do you think we miss in conventional medicine today? 00:06:36.639 --> 00:06:38.560 Oh, I see that so frequently. 00:06:38.720 --> 00:06:39.920 A lot of my clients. 00:06:40.160 --> 00:06:46.079 And having practiced on both sides, still practicing on both sides, I get to bridge that gap. 00:06:46.240 --> 00:06:53.920 And that is when we're in medical school, when we're in training, conventional system teaches you it's a reactive bandage approach. 00:06:54.000 --> 00:06:56.560 It's helpful for certain things like stroke, heart attack. 00:06:56.720 --> 00:06:57.199 Absolutely. 00:06:57.360 --> 00:06:58.720 You want that bandage approach. 00:06:59.279 --> 00:07:07.600 But there's a big gap when you look at root cause, you're looking at symptoms as itself, as diagnosis in conventional medicine. 00:07:07.759 --> 00:07:13.759 When you go deeper and under and uncover root cause, you're looking at all the contributing factors, right? 00:07:13.839 --> 00:07:16.720 You're looking at, well, what truly is the fatigue? 00:07:16.879 --> 00:07:19.279 What is causing your stress or hormones and balance? 00:07:19.519 --> 00:07:20.160 What is that? 00:07:20.399 --> 00:07:34.079 And you dig into not only your environment, but also your lifestyle, like your sleep, what are you eating, your exercise, are you doing the right things for your body, mind, body, and spirit as well, because it's it's all connected. 00:07:34.160 --> 00:07:41.279 We're not just we're a complex body of um systems that is is all one unit and it needs to function. 00:07:41.439 --> 00:07:48.959 Then, of course, you add in the modern advanced science with labs, and it gives you the tools for your own personalized approach. 00:07:49.120 --> 00:07:57.600 So conventional medicine is standard are reactive in the functional aspects. 00:07:57.680 --> 00:08:00.800 You really dig into root cause that's personalized to you and you look at everything. 00:08:01.600 --> 00:08:02.079 Sure. 00:08:03.040 --> 00:08:03.439 Absolutely. 00:08:03.759 --> 00:08:06.160 I'm gonna piggyback on that question real quick. 00:08:06.480 --> 00:08:09.920 Stress is something that's overlooked greatly in medicine, in my opinion. 00:08:10.160 --> 00:08:12.959 What's your take on what stress actually does to the body? 00:08:13.040 --> 00:08:21.920 And do you think a lot of times the hormonal imbalance people may have is maybe not truly a hormonal imbalance, but more of a societal factor, stress related? 00:08:22.879 --> 00:08:24.079 Oh, absolutely. 00:08:24.319 --> 00:08:31.600 And it's more common than people think, and it actually it's coming to light more often because people are burning out. 00:08:31.759 --> 00:08:33.360 Well, what is the term burnout, right? 00:08:33.440 --> 00:08:36.960 It's your nervous system on stress gone unchecked.

00:08:37.200 --> 00:08:49.600 And if you dive in, and I'll just do a brief uh explanation of what that does to your body, if you break down your nervous system, it's it's your parasympathetic, your rest and digest in your fight or flight, your sympathetic nervous system. 00:08:49.759 --> 00:08:51.039 Um, there's also a third one. 00:08:51.120 --> 00:08:53.120 It's called the enteric nervous system, it's your gut. 00:08:53.200 --> 00:09:00.960 So oftentimes it's it's all out of uh, it's all dysregulated, not just the hormones, but you'll also have like gut and everything else. 00:09:01.120 --> 00:09:06.080 Um, but essentially what happens is think about if you're constantly stressed, right? 00:09:06.240 --> 00:09:11.919 Our bodies are designed as it was protective back in the days, like if you're getting chased by a bear and you need to escape, right? 00:09:12.000 --> 00:09:12.559 That's important. 00:09:12.720 --> 00:09:14.799 But what happens is eventually you stop. 00:09:14.960 --> 00:09:17.279 You have a period to rebalance. 00:09:17.679 --> 00:09:21.200 In our modern society, we have so many stressors, right? 00:09:21.440 --> 00:09:26.399 It could, our body doesn't know the difference between physical stress or thinking stress. 00:09:26.480 --> 00:09:28.799 And now you think about what you're consuming, right? 00:09:28.960 --> 00:09:32.639 Not just what you're eating, but social media and everything else out there. 00:09:32.799 --> 00:09:36.799 That's a stress because your body will interpret it that way. 00:09:36.960 --> 00:09:56.879 So, say you're thinking you have maybe underlying trauma or you're a stressful relationship or a job, and then on top of that, you're eating processed foods or you have some underlying inflammation, and there's certain foods that trigger it, throw in scrolling, doom scrolling, all that, it's a stressor, right? 00:09:57.039 --> 00:10:09.519 So going back to that nervous system, there's so much adrenaline and other imbalances and neurotransmitters that help, but then gone unchecked long term, it it gets imbalanced. 00:10:09.600 --> 00:10:11.120 It gets you to the fight or flight response. 00:10:11.279 --> 00:10:13.600 And specifically, there's something called cortisol. 00:10:13.759 --> 00:10:15.919 In functional medicine, you can actually measure this. 00:10:16.080 --> 00:10:21.360 And cortisol, what does is if that's elevated, you don't want to do anything else, right? 00:10:21.440 --> 00:10:28.799 You don't want to stop, you don't want to digest your food, your uh hormones, your sexual drive, everything goes out the door. 00:10:28.960 --> 00:10:32.240 So, what does that do in terms of symptoms-wise, right? 00:10:32.399 --> 00:10:39.840 You get brain fog, your maybe your blood sugar is off balance, and then you start change noticing a change in weight, um, you lose muscle. 00:10:40.000 --> 00:10:49.360 So then you also have uh maybe thinning hair, and it just goes on and on and on, and it ties into an imbalanced

nervous system. 00:10:49.679 --> 00:10:55.039 So when you look at that, how long can you go trying to be functional, right? 00:10:55.120 --> 00:10:56.879 There's gonna be a stage where you're burning out. 00:10:56.960 --> 00:11:01.360 And what I see is people, when they've reached that, anything could set it off, right? 00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:07.440 It could just maybe you have a small cold, but then you're so depleted that it tips you over. 00:11:07.759 --> 00:11:13.039 So, what I like to do is I like to emphasize that give yourself permission to pause. 00:11:13.200 --> 00:11:14.320 And there's ways to do that. 00:11:14.480 --> 00:11:18.399 Instead of doing more, step back and rebalance what your body needs. 00:11:18.559 --> 00:11:22.480 Even something simple, getting back to the basics like breath work, right? 00:11:22.639 --> 00:11:27.200 Even it takes 30 seconds to tell your body that your nervous system is safe, right? 00:11:27.360 --> 00:11:35.600 And so tapping into things like that, um, going out of nature, eating the right types of food, exercising the right way, all those have a big impact. 00:11:37.200 --> 00:11:37.679 Wow. 00:11:37.919 --> 00:11:40.720 So take a take us through your day, okay? 00:11:41.039 --> 00:11:48.320 Uh just you know, from the time that you wake up, take us through just a what we would call a normal day in your life of Dr. 00:11:48.480 --> 00:11:48.960 Romina. 00:11:49.440 --> 00:11:56.559 How does that look and where does balance and everything fit into the things that you're talking about here as you help other people? 00:11:56.879 --> 00:11:57.440 Oh gosh. 00:11:57.600 --> 00:11:58.399 So it depends. 00:11:58.480 --> 00:11:59.919 Not every day is the same. 00:12:00.159 --> 00:12:07.120 Um, I I'll pick up shifts at the hospital, so those are naturally more stressful, and I need to make sure I balance myself. 00:12:07.279 --> 00:12:14.720 Um, and then I also have I have two little kids, so I need to make sure I wake up before them and balance myself. 00:12:15.360 --> 00:12:16.720 Sometimes it doesn't work. 00:12:16.799 --> 00:12:19.919 Uh, we're not, you know, it's that's life, and that's the thing. 00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:23.919 You got to find your moments and create it, regardless of how busy you are. 00:12:24.080 --> 00:12:28.559 Um, and then if I'm traveling or whatever my entrepreneurial day looks like. 00:12:28.799 --> 00:12:31.039 But in general, I stick to the basics. 00:12:31.200 --> 00:12:35.600 I make sure I, as soon as I wake up, I'm not looking at my phone. 00:12:35.679 --> 00:12:36.639 That's the first thing. 00:12:36.799 --> 00:12:51.200 I just lay there, I just breathe and I connect to myself because just the simple acts of being present, breathing, regulating yourself, getting your nervous system regulated, your circadian rhythm is also affected, right? 00:12:51.279 --> 00:13:01.519 Uh, if your cortisol and melatonin, your sleep hormone are balanced by simple things, it also ties into a better

um health, but also, you know, your sleep, wake, and nervous system cycle. 00:13:01.759 --> 00:13:04.720 Then uh looking at just the simple things. 00:13:04.879 --> 00:13:18.720 If you look at gratitude, so I not only do my breath work, I'll do like a simple meditation, but also starting with gratitude because science shows that gratitude can rewire your brain, neuroplasticity. 00:13:19.679 --> 00:13:21.440 Yes, that's good. 00:13:21.679 --> 00:13:22.559 Well, it's great. 00:13:22.879 --> 00:13:29.519 And it's it's amazing because you know, ancient uh it's like you would practice these things, but science is showing you this too, it's measuring it. 00:13:29.600 --> 00:13:32.000 So you they can say, okay, yes, it's showing it's true. 00:13:32.240 --> 00:13:45.120 So, but nonetheless, like simple acts of breathing, um, being present, not looking at the screen, um, meditating, doing um a gratitude journal, those are just the simple things that help me get set for the day. 00:13:45.279 --> 00:13:48.960 If I don't do it, then I'm just uh I'm all over the place. 00:13:49.200 --> 00:13:54.639 And um, if that happens, then I just find moments throughout the day to re-center and do that. 00:13:54.799 --> 00:13:58.240 Just even breath work or just a simple guided meditation. 00:13:58.399 --> 00:14:02.159 I have an app if there's something that I like my mind is too busy. 00:14:02.320 --> 00:14:04.960 I don't have any stock in this, but it's it's a free app. 00:14:05.039 --> 00:14:08.720 It's called Insight Timer, and I take it with me wherever I go. 00:14:08.960 --> 00:14:13.200 I also um I love sound healing, sound therapy is amazing. 00:14:13.360 --> 00:14:17.519 There's also lots of data that shows that it adjusts your brain waves. 00:14:17.759 --> 00:14:22.720 And so if you if you do whatever the the technique you want, the key is to regulate yourself. 00:14:22.799 --> 00:14:24.639 And there's things that you can add in throughout the day. 00:14:24.799 --> 00:14:27.039 Should you have missed, you know, the morning thing. 00:14:27.200 --> 00:14:42.320 And then I make sure when I get back into um bed, I decompress and uh regulate myself before bed too, because those are the two peak uh moments that I like to tap into when I wake up and before I go to sleep. 00:14:42.960 --> 00:14:48.480 Everything's yeah, so what does it do for somebody that immediately picks up their phone? 00:14:48.559 --> 00:14:51.919 Uh, what does that do to them right out of the gate? 00:14:52.159 --> 00:14:54.320 What what tone does it set for their day? 00:14:54.639 --> 00:14:59.519 Yeah, well, the blue light signals to your brain that you're already in a stress mode. 00:14:59.600 --> 00:15:02.320 It it dysregulates that cortisol response. 00:15:02.480 --> 00:15:08.480 And so uh what you what would be better is to get that first direct sunlight. 00:15:08.639 --> 00:15:13.679 It hits your your retina and your eye and signals to your brain and it it regulates it better. 00:15:13.919

--> 00:15:20.720 So having even just a few minutes to not look at your phone does a lot for the day. 00:15:20.960 --> 00:15:21.279 Yep. 00:15:21.519 --> 00:15:22.399 Yeah, love that. 00:15:22.559 --> 00:15:23.039 Yep. 00:15:23.840 --> 00:15:28.080 We live in such a hustle culture, and Russ, I'm sure you agree with this, and Dr. 00:15:28.240 --> 00:15:29.200 Mean, I'm sure you agree with this. 00:15:29.279 --> 00:15:32.960 That I'd say 90% of people, the first thing they do is grab that phone off their nightstand. 00:15:33.200 --> 00:15:38.559 100% they want to look at their email, check their text on the nights, you were called, they missed that when they were sleeping. 00:15:38.720 --> 00:15:40.720 It's like the number one thing everybody does. 00:15:40.879 --> 00:15:44.960 And I mean, I I try not to do it, but I'm still guilty of it too, because you live. 00:15:45.360 --> 00:15:46.799 I can see it on your face, you're guilty. 00:15:46.960 --> 00:15:47.840 I am 100%. 00:15:48.559 --> 00:15:48.960 100%. 00:15:49.600 --> 00:15:55.360 One thing I actually learned on the iPhone that I have an iPhone is you could actually turn the red light mode on. 00:15:55.519 --> 00:15:57.360 So I started doing that later on at night. 00:15:57.519 --> 00:16:03.519 Whether it really helps me or not, I'm not sure because I'm sure the screen still goes gives up a lot of blue light simultaneously. 00:16:03.679 --> 00:16:05.360 But I did try to start doing that. 00:16:05.519 --> 00:16:15.519 But it's so true that people just they put themselves in a sympathetic state so fast as soon as they wake up that they they don't downregulate at all, they just constantly live in that state throughout the day. 00:16:15.919 --> 00:16:20.240 And and then you play the dietary role in, and you know, it just it all plays a role. 00:16:20.320 --> 00:16:22.320 And I was actually gonna ask you that question. 00:16:22.639 --> 00:16:30.799 Now, say somebody wakes up and they kind of put themselves in a sympathetic state, they're you know, they're flying a little bit, they're not downregulating. 00:16:30.960 --> 00:16:32.720 Now, their mental health is not great. 00:16:32.799 --> 00:16:37.519 What effect do you would you say people's mental health has on their gut health simultaneously? 00:16:38.320 --> 00:16:46.639 I love that question because they're uh the the other nervous system I mentioned, the enteric nervous system, it's connected through your vagus nerve. 00:16:46.720 --> 00:16:48.879 It's one of the longest nerves in your body. 00:16:49.039 --> 00:16:52.080 Um, and it's called there's a gut brain axis. 00:16:52.240 --> 00:16:53.840 It's bi-directional, it goes both ways. 00:16:53.919 --> 00:16:57.440 So if your gut's inflamed, your brain is inflamed, and vice versa. 00:16:57.679 --> 00:17:08.240 And a lot of research has come about this, you know, one of some of the biggest institutions, Harvard, uh Johns Hopkins, and what it shows is that it truly there is a phenomenon. 00:17:08.960 --> 00:17:19.680 And when you look at the mental health aspects, there's a big um, well, the gap is kind of closing in conventional medicine because you can see there's so many aspects of not just adding medicines. 00:17:19.920 --> 00:17:25.599 The pharmaceutical grades are important if it's if it's needed, but there's also other things you do. 00:17:25.839 --> 00:17:34.799 So some of if you have like a dysbiosis, or basically if your your gut is off, you got to figure out what that root cause is. 00:17:34.960 --> 00:17:42.480 Is it inflamed because of certain foods that you may think that are healthy for you, but they're harming you because of the state you're in? 00:17:42.720 --> 00:17:50.640 If you're already stressed, that your gut is not gonna want to work because you're in a stress response, you're in a fight or flight, you don't have time to rest and digest. 00:17:50.880 --> 00:18:02.640 So if you look at the foods that you're eating, some of the three common triggers of food intolerances that I've seen, especially in the United States, because I would say overseas, especially Europe, it's cleaner. 00:18:02.799 --> 00:18:06.880 Like you could eat wheat and greens and it's fine. 00:18:07.039 --> 00:18:15.279 But if you're here, I see a lot and that it shows that you have um the common triggers like gluten, so wheat, uh dairy, and eggs. 00:18:15.519 --> 00:18:36.960 So what I what I have seen is if you take um someone through a reset, like an elimination diet, it's not really a diet, it's resetting your gut, it's taking away potential triggers and uh giving yourself the right nourishing foods that are fresh, whole foods, good sources of protein, and then supplementing with enzymes or whatever else you need. 00:18:37.119 --> 00:18:38.240 And you rebuild it. 00:18:38.319 --> 00:18:45.680 It takes about 21 days to get the trigger out of your system because your body builds um an autoimmune response. 00:18:45.839 --> 00:18:48.400 And so not only it could deposit anywhere. 00:18:48.480 --> 00:18:52.480 So it can deposit on your joints and it can show up like as an autoimmune issue. 00:18:52.559 --> 00:18:57.359 So people may have joint pain and get mistaken by that, um, a rash. 00:18:57.519 --> 00:19:00.720 And then if that's happening, then of course your gut too. 00:19:00.799 --> 00:19:08.960 So maybe you're not absorbing the right uh nutrients or building blocks to build neurotransmitters that affect your mood. 00:19:09.119 --> 00:19:10.720 Um, that's just part of it. 00:19:10.799 --> 00:19:17.039 But then if you look at if you're not your blood sugar is not regulated, well, you may get true word, hangry. 00:19:17.200 --> 00:19:26.160 But you know, like there's there's so much that goes into it, like anxiety, depression, whatever you want to label it, but there's a there's a root cause, and that's a gut-brain access. 00:19:26.559 --> 00:19:39.759 So when you look at the data, if you do a little bit, if you combine the lifestyle

and get to root cause, you can either de-prescribe pharmaceutical medicines, or if you're not on it, you just you get regulated. 00:19:40.160 --> 00:19:46.319 And a little other uh something else I want to chime in is plant medicine is is coming forward. 00:19:46.480 --> 00:20:03.680 And I know in this in our current state, uh we don't we're moving forward to more openness in that, especially in uh mental health and in PTSD, because it's it's been shown how it restructures your brain and and it can help you long term. 00:20:03.920 --> 00:20:12.640 So I think that's also something to look out for is uh how plant medicine will eventually um start adding more therapeutic options. 00:20:13.519 --> 00:20:14.319 Yeah, yeah. 00:20:14.960 --> 00:20:15.440 Wow. 00:20:15.680 --> 00:20:16.079 Amazing. 00:20:16.720 --> 00:20:28.559 You know, it seems like it seems like there is we, you know, we're in a as far as mental health, we're like at an all-time high, you know, and it seems like more people are addressing, you know, the mental health issues. 00:20:28.799 --> 00:20:30.000 What what is it? 00:20:30.160 --> 00:20:35.200 What do you what do you why do you think that we're in such a state here in America with mental health issues? 00:20:35.359 --> 00:20:36.240 Why is that? 00:20:36.720 --> 00:20:40.000 Well, I think there's still a stigma, it's getting better. 00:20:40.160 --> 00:20:51.839 Like before, um, you wouldn't you would just get labeled, oh, you're having panic attacks, you have PTSD, let's do this pharmaceutical medicine, and that's the bandage, which comes with side effects. 00:20:52.000 --> 00:20:59.440 And maybe if you get just basic tools, but it's I mean it's better than nothing, but it goes deeper. 00:20:59.599 --> 00:21:01.279 There's more to get to root cause. 00:21:01.359 --> 00:21:03.279 There's so many different modalities. 00:21:03.599 --> 00:21:18.480 And resources, if you if you know about it, then the more educated you are and aware you are, then you're gonna you're gonna look for those answers and and get the help you need. 00:21:18.880 --> 00:21:25.440 So I think as more is coming forward, there is more access slowly. 00:21:25.599 --> 00:21:32.799 There in certain places, um other states and cities definitely um have have more to to work on. 00:21:32.960 --> 00:21:47.279 But it's just uh I think there's there's gonna be more of a if there's more of a gap to close between information and access, um, and and lowering that stigma, then people will be more apt to looking for those. 00:21:47.440 --> 00:21:51.279 And I think especially if you look at the high performing people, right? 00:21:51.440 --> 00:21:52.640 Sometimes they don't know. 00:21:52.799 --> 00:21:56.400 They don't know what the signs of burnout and mental health is. 00:21:56.480 --> 00:22:04.319 Because if you're high functioning, you're not gonna present like the Typical symptoms of anxiety and depression. 00:22:04.559 --> 00:22:04.880 Right. 00:22:05.119 --> 00:22:06.400 It shows up differently, right? 00:22:06.480 --> 00:22:13.440 You're not, you're gonna have just maybe a little bit of brain fog, or if you're hyperactive, then you have checklist to checklist. 00:22:13.519 --> 00:22:14.880 You can't stay present. 00:22:15.039 --> 00:22:22.000 Um, and then your your markers, if you get any lab testing, or if you even check a simple test like HRV, right? 00:22:22.079 --> 00:22:26.319 Heart rate variability, those things are gonna be just off. 00:22:26.559 --> 00:22:27.599 They're gonna be imbalanced. 00:22:27.680 --> 00:22:31.920 So a high performing individual is gonna present differently from just a normal population. 00:22:32.000 --> 00:22:34.799 So I think that also goes back to awareness, too. 00:22:35.440 --> 00:22:36.319 Yeah, yeah. 00:22:37.440 --> 00:22:38.000 Yeah. 00:22:38.319 --> 00:22:49.440 I think that's also where some of these mental health issues arise from is people see all these high performers and they don't show any signs of burnout, and they're always, you know, they normalize that burnout and they're always on the go and stuff like that. 00:22:49.519 --> 00:22:51.359 And other people are like, How come I'm not there? 00:22:51.440 --> 00:22:52.880 How come I'm not at that stage? 00:22:52.960 --> 00:22:56.480 And it kind of weighs on them a little bit because they're saying, All right, I'm doing the same thing. 00:22:56.640 --> 00:22:57.519 Why are they there? 00:22:57.599 --> 00:23:01.279 But I'm here, and they, you know, they keep normalizing that burnout, normalizing that burnout. 00:23:01.440 --> 00:23:09.759 But you know, also what you see might not even be true, it might not even be real, and other people take that into account, like, wow, like I'm I'm doing everything they're doing. 00:23:09.839 --> 00:23:11.119 How come I'm not at that stage? 00:23:11.279 --> 00:23:20.559 Yeah, and I think that weighs on a lot of people, and I think I think I mean I hate to say it, but I think social media is a big part of this too, as far as like mental health issues to nowadays. 00:23:20.720 --> 00:23:30.480 And I mean, it it's hard to normalize because what you see and you know what's actually happening could be two different things, and a lot of people believe it though, and I think it kind of weighs on them. 00:23:30.799 --> 00:23:31.759 Oh, absolutely. 00:23:31.920 --> 00:23:39.039 Like I have for for myself, for example, I do have fun high functioning anxiety, right? 00:23:39.200 --> 00:23:41.279 And it took me a while to recognize that. 00:23:41.440 --> 00:23:47.279 But what that looks like to me is I have an endless checklist and I have to constantly perform. 00:23:47.440 --> 00:23:48.960 Um, and I've done it for years. 00:23:49.039 --> 00:23:58.000 I've done it like because lives, like if I'm if I'm in a life or death situation with a person, like I need to function, I need to push things aside and then get back to it. 00:23:58.240 --> 00:24:10.799 But uh what it looks like now

on a normal day is I could be at the park with my little boy, and I'm trying to be present and like maybe be there, whatever he wants to do in his little toddler mind. 00:24:10.880 --> 00:24:13.200 But in the back of my mind, I'm like, okay, I have to do this. 00:24:13.279 --> 00:24:13.759 Did I do that? 00:24:13.920 --> 00:24:17.440 Do it, you know, and then it's like not able to settle down. 00:24:17.599 --> 00:24:19.519 And I have to break that pattern. 00:24:19.599 --> 00:24:25.759 I have to make sure, take the effort to be present because the present moment is all we really have. 00:24:25.920 --> 00:24:31.359 And kids are gonna grow, whatever you have in front of you, that moment's gonna be gone until you're present. 00:24:31.440 --> 00:24:33.839 And that's the time that you have, the memories that you have. 00:24:34.160 --> 00:24:49.920 So having the reframes, having the tools to figure out what you need, because if you fuel your cup, the things that fill you up that are important, that actually gives you better longevity in the long term as well. 00:24:50.079 --> 00:24:53.359 And it goes back to putting more into your cup. 00:24:53.519 --> 00:25:00.240 And that's why I I take also I block out time to make sure I go do something for myself every day. 00:25:00.400 --> 00:25:04.880 If I have if I get to go do like an hour-long yoga class, I will do that. 00:25:05.039 --> 00:25:24.240 If I get to go maybe go do a go hit the weights at the gym or just simple walk outside in nature and just be present, those are the little things that sprinkle in what brings you joy, what brings you joy and refuels your cup because the checklist is gonna be there, you're gonna constantly find something to perform at the next level. 00:25:24.880 --> 00:25:28.240 But I think it's just things that ground you and finding your balance. 00:25:28.559 --> 00:25:29.519 Yeah, yeah. 00:25:29.759 --> 00:25:38.640 You know, you talked about brain frog and you talked about, you know, when you go out and you help people, you know, of all all types of people with with clarity. 00:25:38.799 --> 00:25:40.880 That's part of part of your message. 00:25:41.200 --> 00:25:51.839 How how would you say if you're going into a room today and you're and you're you know, a guest speaker, what would you define as gaining clarity for their lives? 00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:54.240 How would you describe that to your listening audience? 00:25:55.119 --> 00:25:57.039 Well, I have two things that come to mind. 00:25:57.200 --> 00:26:10.319 So, of course, the the clarity that comes with when you actually don't have brain fog on a sciencey level and a medical level, but then also the clarity, the internal clarity when you do that transformational work. 00:26:10.799 --> 00:26:12.799 So the brain fog. 00:26:13.359 --> 00:26:29.839 What what I think is um it's eye-opening what I see people is when they actually start clearing, and they, you know, we get to root cause, they're like, whoa, I just thought I

was always like just forgetful or just slow. 00:26:30.079 --> 00:26:32.160 I thought that's what normal was. 00:26:32.720 --> 00:26:39.200 That you're just you have all you're a parent, you're owning a business, you're doing this and that, you're in midlife. 00:26:39.359 --> 00:26:42.079 I thought that's just part of getting older and just stress. 00:26:42.160 --> 00:26:48.559 And I and when they realize what they need to do and you get to root cause, they just they awaken in a different way. 00:26:48.720 --> 00:26:51.839 Their minds are sharper, they can be present, they can do more. 00:26:52.079 --> 00:26:53.920 And it's it's actually quite beautiful. 00:26:54.000 --> 00:26:56.000 You're like, wow, you're clear now. 00:26:56.160 --> 00:27:02.000 This is this is what it feels to be good, to feel good, to be awake for everything. 00:27:02.240 --> 00:27:04.079 And then, of course, the other clarity, right? 00:27:06.000 --> 00:27:13.920 That if you can break the patterns, if you you can take things into your own hands and create your own version of what you want to be. 00:27:14.160 --> 00:27:17.279 Um, and so that that's a different type of clarity. 00:27:17.519 --> 00:27:18.799 Yeah, I love it. 00:27:18.960 --> 00:27:19.759 Yeah, that's great. 00:27:20.319 --> 00:27:20.960 Love that. 00:27:21.599 --> 00:27:21.920 Dr. 00:27:22.079 --> 00:27:31.279 Romina, in terms of your career and everything you've seen in healthcare, is there a truth about health that you believe now that maybe younger Dr. 00:27:31.440 --> 00:27:33.359 Romina would have disagreed with? 00:27:34.960 --> 00:27:36.720 Yeah, definitely. 00:27:36.880 --> 00:27:47.359 I think about when I was in training, you the trend is as you age, you're pretty much aging is is a disease. 00:27:47.440 --> 00:27:49.839 It's actually classified as a disease, right? 00:27:50.079 --> 00:27:55.279 But I think is how how you age, you can still control quality for the most part. 00:27:55.519 --> 00:28:04.720 But what I was in training while I was in training is doing the standard care, doing the standard approaches, eventually your body does break down. 00:28:04.799 --> 00:28:10.400 And so you see people in the last decade of life in and out of the hospital and just declining. 00:28:10.720 --> 00:28:13.119 And I thought that was just the sad truth. 00:28:13.279 --> 00:28:27.680 But until I got more training and was exposed to more skills and tools and a different perception, you can do things that create more longevity and optimal living, and your lifestyle has a big impact. 00:28:27.839 --> 00:28:30.240 Your lifestyle, your mindset, everything. 00:28:30.400 --> 00:28:38.079 So that truly changes not only how I live my life, but how I approach patients, and it makes a difference. 00:28:38.400 --> 00:28:40.240 Yeah, it does make a difference. 00:28:40.319 --> 00:28:40.960 Yeah, yeah. 00:28:41.119 --> 00:28:47.359 Like I think I had um I think I had like an 80-year-old like walk like longer than I did. 00:28:47.440 --> 00:28:57.599 There's like a 90-year-old that does yoga, like you it's quite amazing, and it it's a full, complete um approach, right? 00:28:58.079 --> 00:28:59.519 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:28:59.839 --> 00:29:00.799 Wow, for sure. 00:29:00.960 --> 00:29:01.279 Amazing. 00:29:01.440 --> 00:29:02.319 Do you do you ever find it? 00:29:02.480 --> 00:29:03.839 Do you ever find it difficult? 00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:06.160 Oh I'm sorry. 00:29:06.559 --> 00:29:08.799 My my the recording went silent for a minute. 00:29:08.880 --> 00:29:10.720 I didn't know right know that you were talking. 00:29:10.880 --> 00:29:14.480 Um, do you ever do you ever find it difficult separating uh being Dr. 00:29:14.640 --> 00:29:16.000 Romina and mom? 00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:25.119 I gotta laugh at this because the other day, I think I'm just mom, and then my kids are like, Yeah, you're a doctor. 00:29:25.759 --> 00:29:26.079 Okay. 00:29:27.119 --> 00:29:31.440 And so they went to their pediatrician for their yearly checkup. 00:29:31.759 --> 00:29:35.759 And they're like, so you have to eat more fiber and less sugar. 00:29:35.920 --> 00:29:43.119 And so they come home and tell me, and like, mom, the doctor said, and I'm like, Oh, the doctor said, so you're gonna listen to whatever. 00:29:43.200 --> 00:29:46.160 Just as long as you're doing what they tell you, that's fine. 00:29:47.039 --> 00:29:54.400 So it's just funny because they they say the term doctor, like I have a doctor, but I'm still mom to them. 00:29:54.480 --> 00:29:56.079 It's a different concept. 00:29:57.839 --> 00:29:58.799 That's awesome. 00:29:59.039 --> 00:30:00.160 That's so funny. 00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:00.720 Dr. 00:30:00.880 --> 00:30:13.759 Amina, let's say somebody listening today on paper, they look fine, their lab results look great, their vitals look great, but you know, without getting too into the medicine aspect of things, they know something's off deep down. 00:30:13.920 --> 00:30:18.480 What's one of the first steps that they could take in maybe trying to find out what's going on? 00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:24.799 Well, first thing is to make sure you're with the right uh physician. 00:30:25.039 --> 00:30:35.039 Because if you're in a conventional system and they haven't been trained to see a bigger picture, then you're gonna stick to the standard labs that tell you, yeah, everything is fine. 00:30:35.200 --> 00:30:38.319 And then they're gonna say, it's probably in your head. 00:30:38.480 --> 00:30:40.480 And I know this because I was told that. 00:30:40.559 --> 00:30:46.960 And I know through my journey, I would not say that to a patient because you know if your body's off, you just have to dig deeper. 00:30:47.119 --> 00:30:47.680 What is it? 00:30:47.839 --> 00:30:48.960 So that's the first thing. 00:30:49.119 --> 00:30:52.640 Are you with someone you could work with that actually listens and will dig deeper? 00:30:52.880 --> 00:30:57.440 And if not, then go look for a

functional medicine doctor. 00:30:59.599 --> 00:31:03.759 Um, but to add even more uh on that, yeah. 00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:05.519 So the first thing is can you work with someone? 00:31:05.599 --> 00:31:06.480 Are they gonna listen? 00:31:06.640 --> 00:31:07.359 And what to do? 00:31:07.519 --> 00:31:10.160 Well, you can get uh lifestyle is big. 00:31:10.319 --> 00:31:14.880 I would dig into okay, what are you doing daily, all these factors? 00:31:15.119 --> 00:31:24.960 Um, and then of course add in the advanced labs because advanced labs are not they're not the labs that you're gonna see in a regular conventional uh office. 00:31:25.119 --> 00:31:34.319 For instance, if you look at basic labs, if you look like at a CBC, you're gonna get just basic lab work that gives you um, is your white count up? 00:31:34.400 --> 00:31:35.440 Do you have an infection, right? 00:31:35.519 --> 00:31:37.119 Or is your hemoglobin off? 00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:39.440 And um it's it's just gonna give you basics. 00:31:39.599 --> 00:31:41.920 But what you want is further testing, right? 00:31:42.079 --> 00:31:43.599 You want to see even more. 00:31:43.680 --> 00:31:50.319 Um, another example is hormones, maybe simple blood work for like a couple of hormones, but there's more to it. 00:31:50.480 --> 00:31:58.000 And so a functional approach would be if this is contributing to your symptoms, well, let's look at the entire biochemical pathway. 00:31:58.160 --> 00:32:00.880 So, how are you metabolizing that hormone? 00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:12.160 And which structure, the form of hormone, are you um building or not um building, or you know, if there's a a gap in the cycle or the building blocks? 00:32:12.240 --> 00:32:14.000 Are you deficient in vitamins? 00:32:14.240 --> 00:32:19.759 Uh, you know, just there's so much to the picture, and it's not just one snippet in time. 00:32:19.920 --> 00:32:24.640 So having a full advanced lab panel would give you a big picture as well. 00:32:24.720 --> 00:32:33.599 So you combine best of both, you get the labs as well as dig into your lifestyle, and that would help you get to root cause over time. 00:32:33.920 --> 00:32:34.240 Yeah. 00:32:34.799 --> 00:32:41.519 Because typically, if you go for a well visit, your physician's gonna get a CBC, gonna get a BMP on you, and maybe a thyroid panel. 00:32:41.680 --> 00:32:41.920 Exactly. 00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:44.240 And in a limited thyroid panel, yeah. 00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:55.519 And then, you know, you still say, Listen, I feel like this, this, and this, but all those lab work, that lab work could easily look normal on a lot of people, but there could still be a root cause down there that they don't look at. 00:32:55.680 --> 00:33:07.839 And I think vitamin deficiency is something that's completely overlooked because, and I mean, I even personally, I I mean, I actually found a physician that does that kind of stuff, but personally, like it took me a while to find a physician that will look at those type of things. 00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:10.319 Yeah, and it's not an easy find for anybody listening. 00:33:10.400 --> 00:33:14.079 This is not something just simplistic that a lot of doctors will do or a lot of physicians will do. 00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:20.720 You have to kind of seek this out a little bit, but I think it's something that's completely overlooked from nutritional standpoint, you know, things of that nature. 00:33:20.880 --> 00:33:24.480 You and you agree vitamins are something that's overlooked, overlooked on panels. 00:33:24.720 --> 00:33:25.440 Oh, for sure. 00:33:25.599 --> 00:33:29.119 The most common vitamin deficiency I see is a vitamin D3. 00:33:29.839 --> 00:33:34.480 Yeah, and that it shows up and it's important with so many pathways, right? 00:33:34.559 --> 00:33:38.079 It can affect your mood, your immune system, your hormone. 00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:39.359 It just taps into everything. 00:33:39.519 --> 00:33:50.319 Your brain, um, memory, it's simple and it can mask if it's you know missed, it can mask itself with symptoms. 00:33:50.480 --> 00:33:51.759 So that's just one of them. 00:33:51.839 --> 00:33:54.880 And then, of course, like the B vitamins, if you're absorbing them. 00:33:55.119 --> 00:34:03.119 And it brings me to like the food that you eat today, even though if it's clean and organic, it's still depleted. 00:34:03.200 --> 00:34:05.519 The soil that it grows in is depleted. 00:34:05.839 --> 00:34:09.360 So naturally, you will still have a vitamin deficiency. 00:34:09.440 --> 00:34:20.239 So I always like to at least get the basic, um, check the vitamins, but then also if you need a supplement, good quality supplement, and the most common one, of course, is vitamin D3 plus K2. 00:34:20.320 --> 00:34:23.760 If you're gonna do that, you want to have the absorption. 00:34:23.840 --> 00:34:30.079 Yeah, definitely it's it is overlooked, and but there's an answer to it. 00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:33.039 So if you can find it, and then you can target what the answer is. 00:34:33.199 --> 00:34:36.800 And sometimes it's a simple fix, and sometimes it's more complicated, yeah. 00:34:37.039 --> 00:34:37.920 Sure, sure. 00:34:38.079 --> 00:34:38.639 Interesting. 00:34:38.880 --> 00:34:43.360 I I like calling it the sunshine vitamin, right? 00:34:43.679 --> 00:34:58.000 Yeah, so so what I think what I'm hearing you say is that we gotta get out and we need to move our bodies, we need to exercise more, we need to have more balanced life, we need to be more connected to our world, we need to pause, but we need we need the sunshine vitamin. 00:34:58.320 --> 00:35:00.239 Definitely the sunshine, yes. 00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:04.079 And in more of pausing sometimes, if you're go, go, go, it's okay to pause. 00:35:04.239 --> 00:35:04.880 Yeah. 00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:06.159 Yeah, amazing. 00:35:06.320 --> 00:35:06.719 Yeah. 00:35:06.960 --> 00:35:13.920 You know, the the thing that I that I see, you know, in in our

society today is that that we are we're lacking those things. 00:35:14.079 --> 00:35:15.440 We're lacking the sunshine. 00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:21.840 And and I I know that people that live in the Midwest or East Coast or whatever, you know, they may get less sun than we do here. 00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:26.159 Well, maybe not where you live, but here in California, you know, we get a lot of sun, right? 00:35:26.719 --> 00:35:36.400 So, you know, getting out and people are walking, people are moving, but because of the area in which people live, they may see sun three to four months out of the year. 00:35:36.800 --> 00:35:38.559 So therefore, it's a problem. 00:35:38.719 --> 00:35:47.280 So, do you recommend that they take a vitamin D to help with their with their mood and their stableness and their their life as far as maybe a supplement? 00:35:47.599 --> 00:35:51.920 Sorry, it cut out when you were saying it paused for a second, right? 00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:55.280 When you were saying when people in the Midwest Okay. 00:35:55.440 --> 00:36:10.079 So, do for those people that live in the Midwest or the East, maybe they get a little bit less sun and they're lacking that vitamin D, do you recommend taking uh a vitamin D or some type of supplement to help them with their moods and with their balance throughout the day? 00:36:10.400 --> 00:36:10.880 Oh, yeah. 00:36:10.960 --> 00:36:18.880 In general, actually, even if you're out there getting sunlight, because there's a whole process for you to absorb it, break it down to make sure you have the right form. 00:36:19.360 --> 00:36:23.679 Even with that, most Americans are deficient in vitamin D. 00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:32.239 So I wanted to also mention that with when you look at functional medicine, you look at optimal levels, whereas conventional, it will just give you a range. 00:36:32.400 --> 00:36:35.039 So that's why you may be normal but feeling off. 00:36:35.119 --> 00:36:40.719 So if you look at optimal, um, and then adding that, like vitamin D is still one of the common ones. 00:36:40.880 --> 00:36:52.159 So whether you do get sunshine, but especially if you don't, then it's definitely it would for the most most people, a good quality vitamin D3 plus K2 would be beneficial. 00:36:53.280 --> 00:36:53.599 Okay. 00:36:54.079 --> 00:36:55.360 Yeah, that's great. 00:36:55.679 --> 00:37:03.760 It's interesting though that you bring that up, Ross, because there's definitely some geographic issues that people have with mental health and anxiety like that. 00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:08.719 Because when you're in a state, I mean, we're all across the country right now, obviously. 00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:20.960 So we cover all the different time zones right now between the year and but in New York, sometimes it's gloomy for three, four, five weeks at a time with one day of sunshine, and then you get another two, three weeks of gloominess. 00:37:21.280 --> 00:37:25.519 And out in Cali, it could be you know, sunshine for six months. 00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:28.639 And it's just and Dr. 00:37:28.719 --> 00:37:29.840 Romina, you agree, right? 00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:37.199 I think that does play a big role in people's moods because I I mean, I obviously I am more driven in the summertime, I'll be honest with you, especially living in New York. 00:37:37.280 --> 00:37:38.960 I have more drive, I have more motivation. 00:37:39.039 --> 00:37:44.400 When I can go outside at 7 p.m., 8 p.m., the sunlight's still shining, it's still 75 degrees. 00:37:44.559 --> 00:37:50.159 But in the winter time, when it's five degrees and it's dark at 4 p.m., yeah, I'm less driven. 00:37:50.400 --> 00:37:54.000 You don't like that 30 inches of snow that you could go out there and shovel and stuff like that? 00:37:54.159 --> 00:37:55.039 You don't enjoy that? 00:37:55.679 --> 00:37:56.639 That does not sound fun. 00:37:56.960 --> 00:37:59.440 Yeah, it doesn't put me in that sympathetic state as Dr. 00:37:59.519 --> 00:38:00.320 Romina would say. 00:38:00.559 --> 00:38:04.880 Yeah, and you know, there are more incidences of having uh depression. 00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:19.360 There was a study I remember actually back in in training that certain regions with exactly what you said, they are tied to a lower mood, and you know, you see more incidences of like depression and seasonal depression too. 00:38:19.679 --> 00:38:26.000 So just maybe get a second home, maybe go visit uh Russell during the winter. 00:38:26.559 --> 00:38:27.440 Come to Texas. 00:38:27.519 --> 00:38:27.920 I don't know. 00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:28.800 There you go. 00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:29.519 That's the point. 00:38:29.840 --> 00:38:31.119 I like that is the play. 00:38:31.280 --> 00:38:31.599 I like that. 00:38:31.760 --> 00:38:39.119 Yeah, because we we have some mutual friends, you know, Dan, uh, you and I that that live in the Midwest and the East Coast, and they get that seasonal depression. 00:38:39.199 --> 00:38:42.480 And it's like, yeah, we don't get it here, you know. 00:38:42.559 --> 00:38:52.880 We just don't get, I mean, we had summer from January till middle of March before we got our next, you know, we were we were like not one week 95 degrees, it's like crazy, you know. 00:38:53.039 --> 00:38:55.119 So yeah, we definitely don't lack air. 00:38:55.360 --> 00:38:56.559 Yeah, that's it. 00:38:56.800 --> 00:39:03.440 But you know, the funny thing is though, if we get two or three days of it, like I could see how it kind of dampens everything, right? 00:39:03.679 --> 00:39:09.039 So when you're talking five or six weeks, holy smokes, like no thanks. 00:39:09.280 --> 00:39:11.679 Thumbs down, I'm out of here. 00:39:14.239 --> 00:39:14.559 Dr. 00:39:14.719 --> 00:39:23.599 Romina, we'll uh we'll probably make this the last question, but we have this quote or this statement that we'd like to end all the podcasts with, and you I think you're the perfect person to answer this. 00:39:23.840 --> 00:39:28.320

And that statement is wellness is not about perfection, it's about progress. 00:39:28.639 --> 00:39:31.039 What would you say that statement means to you? 00:39:32.239 --> 00:39:50.960 Yes, it it means you do something I like to I like to tell my clients and people I come across everyone that if you make one small change towards your goal in whatever aspect, then eventually it becomes a habit and that's your journey. 00:39:51.199 --> 00:39:57.920 So even if it's a small progress, you're still getting closer to your goal and you're making changes slowly every day. 00:39:58.320 --> 00:39:59.360 Yeah, love that. 00:39:59.519 --> 00:40:00.159 I love that. 00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:01.360 You know, she just Dr. 00:40:01.519 --> 00:40:03.119 Romain is like, boom, there it is. 00:40:03.199 --> 00:40:03.840 There's the answer. 00:40:04.000 --> 00:40:06.079 Not drawn out, not you know, paragraphs. 00:40:06.320 --> 00:40:07.280 Boom, there it is. 00:40:07.519 --> 00:40:08.159 Right. 00:40:09.599 --> 00:40:10.239 That's right. 00:40:10.639 --> 00:40:11.840 Oh, that is awesome. 00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:12.239 Dr. 00:40:12.400 --> 00:40:14.320 Romina, where can people find you? 00:40:15.039 --> 00:40:19.119 Um, yes, I'm I'm almost you can find me anywhere. 00:40:19.440 --> 00:40:21.599 So Instagram, I keep it simple. 00:40:21.760 --> 00:40:27.360 Instagram is the best one to follow up to date where I'm going, what's coming up, events. 00:40:27.519 --> 00:40:30.960 Uh so D-R-R-E-M-I-N-A, Dr. 00:40:31.119 --> 00:40:31.599 Romina. 00:40:31.920 --> 00:40:33.599 My website, I also keep it simple. 00:40:33.679 --> 00:40:36.800 It's www.dromina.com. 00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:41.599 And um my book as well, that's on Amazon and also at Barnes and Noble. 00:40:41.840 --> 00:40:43.199 So reach out to me. 00:40:43.360 --> 00:40:45.119 I'd love to connect. 00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:48.800 Any questions, or if you want to work with me, whatever, I'm here. 00:40:49.519 --> 00:40:50.159 Wonderful. 00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:52.000 You have been great today. 00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:59.599 Thank you so much for coming on to Dual Coast and blessing us with your experience, your knowledge, you know, everything about what you do. 00:40:59.679 --> 00:41:05.119 And I know we just got a glimpse of it, but thank you for sharing with all of us and all of our listeners today. 00:41:05.440 --> 00:41:07.119 Well, thank you so much for having me. 00:41:07.360 --> 00:41:07.679 Absolutely. 00:41:08.000 --> 00:41:09.119 Absolutely coming on. 00:41:09.199 --> 00:41:09.360 Dr. 00:41:09.440 --> 00:41:10.480 Amina, this was powerful. 00:41:10.559 --> 00:41:11.760 This is my type of podcast. 00:41:11.840 --> 00:41:12.480 Ross knows that. 00:41:12.639 --> 00:41:13.119 Yes, it is. 00:41:13.280 --> 00:41:14.159 Yes, it is. 00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:17.039 But we thank you so much for your time today. 00:41:17.119 --> 00:41:17.519 This was great. 00:41:17.599 --> 00:41:19.360 I hope our listeners got a lot out of this today. 00:41:19.519 --> 00:41:20.320 Please check out Dr. 00:41:20.480 --> 00:41:23.119 Amina on all her social media handles, check out her website. 00:41:23.199 --> 00:41:27.119 Please go look at her book on uh Amazon and at Barnes and Noble. 00:41:27.280 --> 00:41:29.519 Follow us at all our handles, Dual Coast Podcast. 00:41:29.679 --> 00:41:32.639 Please check us out on Spotify, Amazon Music and Apple Podcasts. 00:41:32.800 --> 00:41:33.679 We'll see everybody next week. 00:41:33.760 --> 00:41:33.920 Dr. 00:41:34.079 --> 00:41:35.920 Amina, thank you again so much for today. 00:41:36.159 --> 00:41:36.480 Thank you. 00:41:36.800 --> 00:41:37.360 Thank you.