Full Transcript for Your Face Is the New Doctor: AI Biomarkers and the End of Sick-Care

64 00:04:08,157 --> 00:04:11,477 'Cause I'm looking at my face and I'm going, how do I look so old? 65 00:04:12,227 --> 00:04:14,507 I don't feel like I'm 70 years old. 66 00:04:14,967 --> 00:04:16,517 what the heck's going on here? 67 00:04:16,797 --> 00:04:20,697 And I'm planning to live another 80 years, and let's get into that in a minute. 68 00:04:20,747 --> 00:04:23,227 but yeah, I think just constant monitoring. 69 00:04:23,577 --> 00:04:30,187 I'm pissed that I have to go to my watch and push a couple of buttons and wait so that it can go from my 70 00:04:30,437 --> 00:04:36,747 watch to up my arm to the CGM sensor, communicate, tell me it's broken half 71 00:04:36,747 --> 00:04:41,397 the time, reconnect, whatever, and then spit out what my blood sugar is. 72 00:04:41,737 --> 00:04:42,137 Jonathan Thomas: Right. 73 00:04:42,417 --> 00:04:46,297 Warren Whitlock: I'm like, on my phone I've got it on the lock screen. 74 00:04:46,687 --> 00:04:47,807 It's always on. 75 00:04:49,097 --> 00:04:52,107 And, uses some extra battery or something. 76 00:04:52,107 --> 00:04:55,677 I've just adjusted how often I charge to make sure all that works. 77 00:04:56,147 --> 00:04:58,297 And yeah, and s- sleep. 78 00:04:58,977 --> 00:05:03,447 I'm pissed when I go to bed and realize my watch is empty and I've gotta 79 00:05:03,507 --> 00:05:06,787 plug it in, and I'm not gonna stay up for 20 minutes while it charges. 80 00:05:07,077 --> 00:05:11,057 I'm gonna fall asleep, and then I don't have that night's sleep record. 81 00:05:11,367 --> 00:05:15,277 but I want all this stuff to just go in the background, 'cause 82 00:05:15,277 --> 00:05:19,627 it ends up taking so much of my foreground thinking right now. 83 00:05:19,897 --> 00:05:24,037 And so your tech is gonna work wherever the camera is, right? 84 00:05:24,357 --> 00:05:24,927 Jonathan Thomas: Correct. 85 00:05:25,487 --> 00:05:25,797 Warren Whitlock: So why- Or, 86 00:05:25,797 --> 00:05:27,137 Jonathan Thomas: or even a microphone. 87 00:05:28,247 --> 00:05:28,867 Warren Whitlock: Oh, really? 88 00:05:28,997 --> 00:05:31,917 So right now I'm talking to you. 89 00:05:31,957 --> 00:05:33,307 I've got the camera on. 90 00:05:33,307 --> 00:05:40,737 We're on Zoom, and, that means that if it was in my computer would be cut off from the camera for the time we're talking. 91 00:05:41,117 --> 00:05:46,217 But ultimately, that'll be something that's allowed for in the camera so you can- 92 00:05:46,567 --> 00:05:47,277 Jonathan Thomas: Correct 93 00:05:47,307 --> 00:05:48,087 Warren Whitlock: share the feed. 94 00:05:48,147 --> 00:05:48,517 Yeah. 95 00:05:48,677 --> 00:05:55,927 There's all privacy issues and stuff, and boy, my attitude to privacy is, yes, take care of it. 96 00:05:56,057 --> 00:05:57,167 Don't bother me with it. 97 00:05:57,907 --> 00:05:58,267 Jonathan Thomas: Right. 98 00:05:58,777 --> 00:06:00,081 Warren Whitlock: So I take care of- we don't have 99 00:06:00,081 --> 00:06:02,441 Jonathan

Thomas: any privacy anyway, so get over it. 100 00:06:02,531 --> 00:06:03,451 Warren Whitlock: Yeah, exactly. 101 00:06:03,461 --> 00:06:04,351 that's my thinking. 102 00:06:04,631 --> 00:06:10,001 I'd like to think that if I'm walking around naked that there's not a record of that someplace. 103 00:06:10,491 --> 00:06:18,501 but, because… And my opinion about if it's an open window is I close the curtains because I care about humanity. 104 00:06:18,991 --> 00:06:24,191 I don't wanna ruin civilization because I'm- … naked in front of a window and they see my whole body. 105 00:06:24,411 --> 00:06:29,341 so it's, yeah, it's not about, being, what's that, prudent or having… 106 00:06:30,031 --> 00:06:33,781 I'm an old, ugly man, and you don't wanna see any more than you wanna see. 107 00:06:34,211 --> 00:06:40,601 But, when I got to that point, unfortunately decades ago, of not worrying about, who's gonna see 108 00:06:40,601 --> 00:06:44,521 my full body, it's what can I do to make sure I don't offend them? 109 00:06:44,901 --> 00:06:51,981 So if I'm not wearing pants, which there are pants on today, full disclosure, but if I stood up now and you saw, 110 00:06:52,041 --> 00:06:58,611 my belly and I was naked, you'd look like, "Who wants to see that?" so anyway, every time I think about it 111 00:06:58,611 --> 00:07:01,861 I think about that, young women have to th- think about that differently. 112 00:07:02,161 --> 00:07:06,561 But, yeah, basically it's all there. 113 00:07:06,781 --> 00:07:09,611 Maybe not a shower in, a camera in the shower. 114 00:07:10,421 --> 00:07:11,001 Jonathan Thomas: There you go. 115 00:07:11,949 --> 00:07:18,029 Warren Whitlock: But, one I can turn on or leave on that I know is just gonna be local data. 116 00:07:18,779 --> 00:07:19,149 in fact, 117 00:07:19,199 --> 00:07:21,889 It doesn't even need to take a picture in the mirror. 118 00:07:22,539 --> 00:07:25,779 just it's there, and I, in a sense, what's there. 119 00:07:25,779 --> 00:07:30,909 And, I don't even think I want that to be, I can go into my home security and look in that room. 120 00:07:31,469 --> 00:07:34,979 I don't need an actual picture, but I need that sensor in there. 121 00:07:35,259 --> 00:07:37,089 and we're gonna learn to trust all that. 122 00:07:37,369 --> 00:07:39,889 Jonathan Thomas: actually, I'm gonna argue with you a little bit on that. 123 00:07:39,959 --> 00:07:40,139 Good. 124 00:07:40,139 --> 00:07:41,929 you want the historical- 125 00:07:42,589 --> 00:07:42,889 Warren Whitlock: Yeah 126 00:07:42,909 --> 00:07:44,949 … Jonathan Thomas: data set, 'cause then the AI- 127 00:07:44,949 --> 00:07:45,159 Warren Whitlock: Data. 128 00:07:45,209 --> 00:07:46,429 I'm talking about pictures 129 00:07:47,669 --> 00:07:49,329 … Jonathan Thomas: The picture, Yeah … the scan. 130 00:07:49,389 --> 00:07:54,319 You wanna keep it- Yeah … because then the AI can study you over time- 131 00:07:54,879 --> 00:07:55,259 Warren Whitlock: Okay 132 00:07:55,269 --> 00:07:57,139 Jonathan Thomas: and start seeing trends. 133 00:07:57,599 --> 00:07:58,029 Warren Whitlock: Right. 134 00:07:58,349 --> 00:08:01,259 Jonathan Thomas: and that's where you can make these small changes. 135 00:08:01,259 --> 00:08:03,939 I call it the Titanic, problem. 136 00:08:04,369 --> 00:08:05,479 Literally, you know- Yeah. 137 00:08:05,479 --> 00:08:08,629 Interesting … the Titanic, if they had made a very slight adjustment 138 00:08:08,659 --> 00:08:12,399 when they first found out that there was an iceberg field up, ahead- 139 00:08:13,009 --> 00:08:13,289 Warren Whitlock: Yeah 140 00:08:13,319 --> 00:08:20,319 … Jonathan Thomas: make a tiny little adjustment, they would have still arrived- On time and alive. 141 00:08:21,109 --> 00:08:21,579 Warren Whitlock: You said still. 142 00:08:21,659 --> 00:08:23,999 they didn't arrive, they would've arrived. 143 00:08:24,009 --> 00:08:25,729 That's a real big adjustment. 144 00:08:26,079 --> 00:08:26,269 Yeah, 145 00:08:26,369 --> 00:08:26,769 Jonathan Thomas: exactly. 146 00:08:26,769 --> 00:08:27,349 Warren Whitlock: That's a zero 147 00:08:27,619 --> 00:08:28,669 Jonathan Thomas: So if you make these slight adjustments- 148 00:08:28,769 --> 00:08:29,079 Warren Whitlock: Yeah … and, 149 00:08:29,239 --> 00:08:35,119 Jonathan Thomas: and the historical patterns that you keep can be reviewed by the AI. 150 00:08:35,989 --> 00:08:36,409 Warren Whitlock: Right. 151 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:42,609 So the data is really what we're looking at keeping, not me prancing around in my, underwear. 152 00:08:42,959 --> 00:08:43,509 Jonathan Thomas: Correct. 153 00:08:43,839 --> 00:08:46,279 Warren Whitlock: And it's still data that I'm not sharing with the world. 154 00:08:46,819 --> 00:08:52,509 my idea of the distributed future is we get everything we need close by. 155 00:08:52,519 --> 00:09:00,589 If I need to send that data off, your device and my AI decide that some data is needed someplace, 156 00:09:00,859 --> 00:09:03,919 then it's shared appropriately on whatever settings I give it. 157 00:09:04,199 --> 00:09:05,879 Jonathan Thomas: it will be done agentically. 158 00:09:06,029 --> 00:09:09,929 So you'll have- intelligent agents that kinda make a handshake. 159 00:09:09,929 --> 00:09:14,779 You'll have agents on the inside of your devices, there'll be agents that are 160 00:09:14,779 --> 00:09:19,679 in the cloud, agents in other devices, and they'll kinda make handshakes. 161 00:09:19,849 --> 00:09:20,169 Warren Whitlock: Right. 162 00:09:20,169 --> 00:09:23,359 Jonathan Thomas: and say- "This is what data needs to be transmitted 163 00:09:23,359 --> 00:09:28,299 out," but it has nothing to do with, the way you look physically. 164 00:09:28,589 --> 00:09:29,739 So you're protected. 165 00:09:29,859 --> 00:09:33,539 Warren Whitlock: actually, the embarrassing data isn't my naked body. 166 00:09:34,419 --> 00:09:41,269 it's the biomarkers and how bad some of them are for

me being a guy who says he's gonna live another 80 years. 167 00:09:42,629 --> 00:09:44,949 Jonathan Thomas: That, that can all be encrypted and, 168 00:09:44,949 --> 00:09:45,179 Warren Whitlock: Yeah. 169 00:09:45,549 --> 00:09:52,339 … Jonathan Thomas: literally just extracting the weights out- … so the AI can assess what has changed. 170 00:09:52,349 --> 00:09:58,229 So you- … you don't even need any data that, would determine or get pegged back to- 171 00:09:58,359 --> 00:09:58,679 Warren Whitlock: So- 172 00:09:58,789 --> 00:09:59,839 … Jonathan Thomas: what is Warren 173 00:09:59,939 --> 00:10:06,819 … Warren Whitlock: in a typical day, or like during this call, if this was turned on, the agent's set up and everything, 174 00:10:06,819 --> 00:10:14,081 and we're moving a little into the future, your algorithms along with- thousands of other things be there. 175 00:10:14,091 --> 00:10:18,501 One of my agents thinks, "Hey, this is something we should pay attention 176 00:10:18,501 --> 00:10:22,941 to," decides to mark it and pay attention to it to show me a pattern. 177 00:10:22,941 --> 00:10:23,021 Exactly. 178 00:10:23,471 --> 00:10:31,221 And it takes that, something went above the range or whatever, and it says, let me go to the primary care's agent 179 00:10:31,271 --> 00:10:37,291 and compare it to what the primary care says," which that agent knows whether or not to alert the doctor. 180 00:10:37,651 --> 00:10:38,031 Jonathan Thomas: Correct. 181 00:10:38,081 --> 00:10:41,131 Warren Whitlock: it might say, I'm not sure about this, but you know what? 182 00:10:41,131 --> 00:10:42,581 It's not what the doctor decides. 183 00:10:42,611 --> 00:10:47,721 The doctor I know from history is gonna recommend a specialist." And it goes out 184 00:10:47,721 --> 00:10:53,631 and asks the specialist agent, who comes back and says, "No, that's, you know what? 185 00:10:54,271 --> 00:10:55,801 That, the guy is fat. 186 00:10:56,051 --> 00:11:00,111 He's not really falling apart." Or it may say, "Add a turnip to 187 00:11:00,111 --> 00:11:03,361 your salad and you won't have this problem anymore." There you go. 188 00:11:03,361 --> 00:11:07,561 Whatever it is, comes up with that at no time actually talking to a 189 00:11:07,561 --> 00:11:12,141 doctor, and the doctor is monitoring this in whatever ways they need to. 190 00:11:12,601 --> 00:11:15,951 Or it might become something that, "Hey, this looks bad. 191 00:11:16,161 --> 00:11:17,191 that's cancer. 192 00:11:17,421 --> 00:11:20,131 Send this off." The doctor looks at it and says, "Yes, that's right. 193 00:11:20,391 --> 00:11:23,811 Let's give him one pill," or whatever, it fix the DNA. 194 00:11:24,111 --> 00:11:26,491 genetic problems can be fixed that easy. 195 00:11:26,831 --> 00:11:36,991 To me, it's just mind-boggling that what I… Now as a senior citizen, I deal with Medicare, and what they can do is 196 00:11:36,991 --> 00:11:42,021 like I went 20 years without insurance and then went

on Medicare, and suddenly 197 00:11:42,021 --> 00:11:47,111 it was like I felt like I was cheating with the good coverage that I had. 198 00:11:47,621 --> 00:11:50,261 And I say that as a positive. 199 00:11:51,021 --> 00:11:55,751 Now, the flip side of that is, my wife has chronic conditions, I have chronic conditions. 200 00:11:56,361 --> 00:12:02,071 We spend a lot of our life trying to get through, get insurance numbers to the right people. 201 00:12:02,191 --> 00:12:04,391 "Oh, yeah, we have your insurance number, and you've been seeing us 202 00:12:04,391 --> 00:12:08,071 for three years, but we haven't photocopied your card this year." 203 00:12:08,531 --> 00:12:14,991 "Okay, I'll bring my card in, and you can photocopy it." I do have one that allowed me to send them a picture of 204 00:12:14,991 --> 00:12:19,311 my card, so I'm going like, "Great," 'cause that's always on my phone. 205 00:12:19,491 --> 00:12:20,401 I can do that. 206 00:12:20,731 --> 00:12:23,001 But That's just the most minor of thing. 207 00:12:23,381 --> 00:12:28,041 referrals, getting the referrals lined up and then getting an appointment takes the… 208 00:12:28,151 --> 00:12:35,121 And the doctor says, yes, I need to see this as soon as possible, so we're gonna make an appointment that's six weeks out." 209 00:12:35,551 --> 00:12:37,161 Instead of the usual three months. 210 00:12:37,641 --> 00:12:39,541 And I'm going like, "Six weeks? That's still a month." 211 00:12:39,541 --> 00:12:44,601 Jonathan Thomas: what you're addressing, Warren, is outdated structures and outdated processes. 212 00:12:44,611 --> 00:12:44,631 Yeah. 213 00:12:45,141 --> 00:12:52,041 And we literally, as humans, have created the tools to have a utopia, if you will. 214 00:12:52,961 --> 00:12:53,571 Warren Whitlock: And this is 215 00:12:53,621 --> 00:12:54,081 Jonathan Thomas: today. 216 00:12:54,091 --> 00:12:57,941 But what's between us and utopia- Yeah … right now are these outdated systems. 217 00:12:57,951 --> 00:13:02,511 "Warren, we need a photocopy of your, ID card." Seriously? 218 00:13:02,971 --> 00:13:03,261 Warren Whitlock: Yeah. 219 00:13:03,721 --> 00:13:08,681 we have to put that in the file along with the six pages you fill out when you come in. 220 00:13:09,541 --> 00:13:12,951 And then, if we haven't had that in a year, we're gonna ask again." What, am 221 00:13:12,951 --> 00:13:18,761 I a reliable source, me, without notes of what prescription medicines I'm on? 222 00:13:19,151 --> 00:13:20,091 That's scary. 223 00:13:21,275 --> 00:13:22,542 I ca- I went 10 years, I- 224 00:13:22,942 --> 00:13:23,712 Jonathan Thomas: that, all of that will be changing dramatically in the future. 225 00:13:24,762 --> 00:13:27,232 Warren Whitlock: and trying other things. 226 00:13:27,462 --> 00:13:30,272 there's metformin, which I think is a wonder drug. 227 00:13:30,782 --> 00:13:32,472 I am type 2 diabetic. 228 00:13:32,632 --> 00:13:38,022 It has been prescribed to me, but I also read about diabetics living 229 00:13:38,022 --> 00:13:42,512 longer, if they don't die from the outcome of type 2 diabetes. 230 00:13:42,832 --> 00:13:46,752 But they actually live longer because they've been taking metformin. 231 00:13:47,372 --> 00:13:54,272 And, there's an FDA study going on that's supposed to be a, six or 10-year study, and it was in year two and they're going 232 00:13:54,272 --> 00:13:58,852 like, "This is really a waste of time." the markers are so good for taking it. 233 00:13:59,102 --> 00:14:00,782 So I'm a big fan of metformin. 234 00:14:01,172 --> 00:14:02,592 and there's other things that- how do you monitor 235 00:14:02,592 --> 00:14:03,882 Jonathan Thomas: your sugar levels? 236 00:14:03,962 --> 00:14:05,722 Do you have a CGM 237 00:14:05,722 --> 00:14:06,472 Warren Whitlock: Yeah, I have a CGM. 238 00:14:06,952 --> 00:14:07,332 Jonathan Thomas: Okay. 239 00:14:07,652 --> 00:14:10,702 Warren Whitlock: last year they came out with an extended release version 240 00:14:12,436 --> 00:14:16,476 And I get a letter that says, "You should switch to the extended release. 241 00:14:16,476 --> 00:14:19,466 We've notified your physician." thank you, insurance. 242 00:14:19,466 --> 00:14:20,346 How nice of you. 243 00:14:20,636 --> 00:14:22,476 that's modern technology working. 244 00:14:22,816 --> 00:14:29,606 It was a letter, a physical letter that came, but other than that, it was good customer service. 245 00:14:29,986 --> 00:14:35,236 And so the next time I see the doctor, which is always three or four months after I saw her last. 246 00:14:35,396 --> 00:14:36,386 That's the schedule. 247 00:14:36,386 --> 00:14:42,716 that gives her four bills a year she can put in for seeing the old guy, and she has a practice of doing stuff like that. 248 00:14:42,716 --> 00:14:44,056 By the way, I love my doctor. 249 00:14:44,436 --> 00:14:46,376 This is not anything against her. 250 00:14:46,786 --> 00:14:49,156 And 'cause we have great discussions when I go in. 251 00:14:49,366 --> 00:14:56,886 it's 10 minutes, so I think I get 10 instead of six because, sh- I tell her stuff and she learns. 252 00:14:57,196 --> 00:14:59,086 But, so a couple of weeks ago I saw her. 253 00:14:59,286 --> 00:15:03,676 I have received metformin and the regular pills doubled for the last six months. 254 00:15:04,166 --> 00:15:06,346 So I- they are sitting here, I don't know what to do. 255 00:15:06,606 --> 00:15:08,766 And I said, this doesn't look right. 256 00:15:09,006 --> 00:15:16,186 The n- amount of milligrams on the extended release is half of what I was taking." She says, "Yeah, it 257 00:15:16,186 --> 00:15:21,576 just works that way." And that was the second time, and I asked the pharmacist and they said the same thing. 258 00:15:21,576 --> 00:15:23,596 I go, this doesn't seem right. 259 00:15:23,626 --> 00:15:25,176 I'm cutting my dosage in half." 260 00:15:25,596 --> 00:15:26,716 Jonathan Thomas: That's a good thing, though, Warren 261 00:15:26,996

--> 00:15:27,706 Warren Whitlock: It should be. 262 00:15:27,816 --> 00:15:28,486 It should be. 263 00:15:28,656 --> 00:15:29,151 So I did that. 264 00:15:29,151 --> 00:15:29,396 But y- 265 00:15:29,396 --> 00:15:36,376 Jonathan Thomas: I think the continuous release, gives you a much, more well, managed diabetic situation. 266 00:15:36,436 --> 00:15:41,466 Warren Whitlock: But then when I, when I eat carbs, then it goes up higher than it used to. 267 00:15:42,606 --> 00:15:46,406 So I don't know if that's the pill, that's because I got, I decided 268 00:15:46,406 --> 00:15:49,736 I wanted more bread in my life, which would've been subconscious. 269 00:15:49,736 --> 00:15:51,246 I don't remember that decision. 270 00:15:51,596 --> 00:15:52,476 I love pasta. 271 00:15:52,476 --> 00:15:55,326 I've avoided eating pasta since, I got clean. 272 00:15:55,646 --> 00:16:03,302 I used to say, "If you see me eating a salad, send for help." I'm obviously being kept against my will. 273 00:16:03,632 --> 00:16:05,102 And, that's not true now. 274 00:16:05,102 --> 00:16:06,552 I eat a salad most days. 275 00:16:06,862 --> 00:16:12,652 And I enjoy the salad, but it took eating it regularly to get used to it. 276 00:16:13,042 --> 00:16:15,732 I was never at a point where I didn't like salad. 277 00:16:15,902 --> 00:16:17,452 It was just like, "Oh, this is boring. 278 00:16:17,622 --> 00:16:19,022 Let's get on to the main course. 279 00:16:19,892 --> 00:16:21,222 Bring me that spaghetti. 280 00:16:22,012 --> 00:16:27,792 Bring me that large piece of meat." And so but again, back to I'm saying 281 00:16:27,792 --> 00:16:31,632 things that are more embarrassing whether or not I'm showing my body off. 282 00:16:31,812 --> 00:16:34,162 but I think we don't even need to wait till the future. 283 00:16:34,162 --> 00:16:38,982 We can be building agents right now that do that, that talk to whatever agents we can. 284 00:16:40,072 --> 00:16:44,202 the supply side in medicine seems to be in a way it's just not gonna work. 285 00:16:44,582 --> 00:16:50,432 There are people out there that are doctors that are doing this, and I'm gonna have to find a connection in the… 286 00:16:50,852 --> 00:16:59,002 And whether or not it's insurance, maybe it's extra, or whatever it takes so that when I say, "Wow, I'm feeling 287 00:16:59,012 --> 00:17:03,812 down today. I took all the right stuff. What's going on?" And have whatever 288 00:17:03,812 --> 00:17:09,052 monitors and bio data, and definitely downloading it- your app today. 289 00:17:09,342 --> 00:17:13,372 and, th- you know, send that off to whatever service handles that. 290 00:17:13,842 --> 00:17:13,952 Right. 291 00:17:13,952 --> 00:17:16,262 The first CGM I got came with that. 292 00:17:16,512 --> 00:17:17,432 It was a fortune. 293 00:17:17,842 --> 00:17:20,382 You had to pay… The service was only a couple hundred dollars a 294 00:17:20,382 --> 00:17:26,792 year, but then buying the CGMs from, through them was a nightmare.

295 00:17:27,282 --> 00:17:33,312 you know, I, and I'm, so I won't, you know, I won't go into detail on that, but it, it's now covered by 296 00:17:33,312 --> 00:17:37,672 Medicare, and they send me all I can use without me thinking about it. 297 00:17:38,632 --> 00:17:38,982 Jonathan Thomas: Excellent. 298 00:17:38,982 --> 00:17:46,442 Warren Whitlock: I used to really worry that this item that I was paying $75 for was on my arm and then 299 00:17:46,442 --> 00:17:53,942 stop working after 30 seconds, or I had one that just never connected to any kind of monitoring device. 300 00:17:54,212 --> 00:17:58,832 So apparently it was working, and I had to ship that back to them and got a credit. 301 00:17:59,092 --> 00:18:02,072 And then it's just more nonsense that I shouldn't have to do. 302 00:18:02,632 --> 00:18:08,522 The reason why they want it changed every 10 days is the income off of changing it every 10 days. 303 00:18:08,552 --> 00:18:09,292 Jonathan Thomas: Of course. 304 00:18:09,502 --> 00:18:09,852 Warren Whitlock: Yeah. 305 00:18:09,932 --> 00:18:13,542 I think they just changed and said those are now 15 days. 306 00:18:14,552 --> 00:18:16,096 Or, it's the other brand that changed that. 307 00:18:16,096 --> 00:18:16,316 Jonathan Thomas: they 308 00:18:16,316 --> 00:18:16,396 Warren Whitlock: keep 309 00:18:16,826 --> 00:18:18,256 Jonathan Thomas: extending them out a little bit. 310 00:18:18,356 --> 00:18:22,616 I mean- Yeah … there are some technical issues, battery life and whatnot. 311 00:18:23,006 --> 00:18:23,296 Warren Whitlock: Right. 312 00:18:23,326 --> 00:18:25,176 Jonathan Thomas: But they could make it last a whole lot longer than 10 days. 313 00:18:25,176 --> 00:18:27,076 Warren Whitlock: Your monitor should be able to tell you. 314 00:18:27,416 --> 00:18:31,456 That, for instance, I'm told I wear extended wear contacts. 315 00:18:31,636 --> 00:18:38,236 I'm told to, remove them every day and clean them, and then, they last two weeks or something like that. 316 00:18:38,596 --> 00:18:42,606 And I can put in, I'm now looking at you through contacts that have 317 00:18:42,616 --> 00:18:46,906 been in my eyes continuously, no cleaning, no nothing, for two months. 318 00:18:47,594 --> 00:18:54,544 And they need to be changed right now, but, you know, it… I have a monthly cycle and then I'm late, and it's okay. 319 00:18:54,544 --> 00:18:56,254 So to me it's like getting a haircut. 320 00:18:57,214 --> 00:19:02,224 so if you go a couple of months without a haircut, it would show, right? 321 00:19:02,234 --> 00:19:02,814 Jonathan Thomas: Yes. 322 00:19:03,554 --> 00:19:03,894 Warren Whitlock: Yeah. 323 00:19:04,074 --> 00:19:10,394 I can go like this and, yeah, he's got stringy old gray hair, but it doesn't really matter, right? 324 00:19:10,394 --> 00:19:15,884 So yeah, I go somewhere between one and three months, but there is no… I have no habit for that. 325 00:19:16,244 --> 00:19:20,224 And, it's the same with the contacts and, you know, everything. 326 00:19:20,364 --> 00:19:27,674 You know, everything I do that's h- habits, I'm overthinking and spending more time thinking about it than, 327 00:19:27,764 --> 00:19:32,964 than I am doing it, and I get to the end of thinking about it and I, my mind switches to something else. 328 00:19:33,364 --> 00:19:36,074 So, I thi- seem to be, habit averse. 329 00:19:36,564 --> 00:19:38,474 Get good habits and follow them. 330 00:19:38,724 --> 00:19:39,964 Get on a routine. 331 00:19:40,464 --> 00:19:41,254 Jonathan Thomas: Exactly. 332 00:19:41,314 --> 00:19:42,474 Warren Whitlock: and don't do as I- Well, 333 00:19:42,484 --> 00:19:42,976 Jonathan Thomas: you, you, you, 334 00:19:42,976 --> 00:19:44,138 Warren Whitlock: unfortunately- … don't do as I do 335 00:19:44,568 --> 00:19:47,778 … Jonathan Thomas: we're talking about going from where we are to utopia. 336 00:19:48,198 --> 00:19:56,968 There is, some structure in place that, for the human side of medicine, it requires people to be sick, right? 337 00:19:56,978 --> 00:19:57,188 Yeah. 338 00:19:57,598 --> 00:20:02,678 If you look at the veterinary side of, of medicine, if a, if a 339 00:20:02,678 --> 00:20:08,308 farmer's livestock starts dying, they're firing their vet, right? 340 00:20:08,648 --> 00:20:09,088 Warren Whitlock: Right. 341 00:20:09,728 --> 00:20:09,818 Absolutely. 342 00:20:09,978 --> 00:20:22,378 Jonathan Thomas: So, veterinary medicine has a financial- backbone that is conducive to having healthy animals. 343 00:20:22,708 --> 00:20:25,608 Humans, it's kind of ass-backwards. 344 00:20:25,948 --> 00:20:31,498 they want sick people, and keep them sick, and keep them alive as long as possible. 345 00:20:31,538 --> 00:20:33,488 That's a horrible financial model. 346 00:20:33,758 --> 00:20:36,408 And that's something that needs to be flipped upside down. 347 00:20:37,278 --> 00:20:41,978 in a situation where you're getting off metformin and off of these other drugs. 348 00:20:42,038 --> 00:20:47,948 And I think AI and the technology that we have is going to wean us off of all of those things. 349 00:20:48,198 --> 00:20:50,078 It's just gonna take some time. 350 00:20:50,628 --> 00:20:51,508 Warren Whitlock: It'll take some time. 351 00:20:51,508 --> 00:20:55,058 The insurance companies don't want us to be weaned off of it. 352 00:20:55,098 --> 00:20:55,438 Jonathan Thomas: Nope. 353 00:20:55,518 --> 00:20:55,818 Insurance 354 00:20:56,058 --> 00:20:58,428 Warren Whitlock: companies- they want things they can bill for the rest of your life. 355 00:20:58,628 --> 00:20:59,188 Jonathan Thomas: Correct. 356 00:20:59,388 --> 00:21:01,448 Warren Whitlock: And the pharmaceutical companies same. 357 00:21:01,888 --> 00:21:06,688 And I won't even, I don't go as far as trying to say there's a conspiracy or anything, 358 00:21:06,928 --> 00:21:11,308 But let's throw all that out the window and say they only want what's best for us. 359 00:21:11,528 --> 00:21:18,528 And

they know that once you have diabetes, giving you your metformin, and your CGM, and your prick your 360 00:21:18,528 --> 00:21:22,618 finger stuff, and all of that stuff is gonna be good business for them. 361 00:21:23,268 --> 00:21:24,818 Jonathan Thomas: it is good business for them. 362 00:21:24,818 --> 00:21:24,838 Yeah. 363 00:21:24,838 --> 00:21:29,258 And it can still be good business for them and made more seamless for you. 364 00:21:30,148 --> 00:21:35,998 Warren Whitlock: It's one of the things that the future, when we think about stuff like AI job loss is the current one I'm 365 00:21:35,998 --> 00:21:43,658 doing a lot of thinking on, because the people I follow now are talking about how wrong they were to talk about job 366 00:21:43,658 --> 00:21:54,138 loss we're gonna go through a period of upheaval between, say now, and 2029, 2030, where there's gonna be so much confusion, 367 00:21:54,348 --> 00:21:58,138 so many people worry about losing a job or whatever, that things are gonna change. 368 00:21:59,784 --> 00:22:01,124 Everybody's life is gonna change. 369 00:22:01,554 --> 00:22:07,064 And then they say, we'll get past that." Of course, they're all multimillionaires at the very least. 370 00:22:07,874 --> 00:22:12,014 and they try to see it of how everybody else… And some of them come from humble beginnings. 371 00:22:12,014 --> 00:22:15,634 They know what it's like to struggle to pay the bills and all that. 372 00:22:15,684 --> 00:22:21,894 And I go "Yeah, but you're just not seeing that every day someone's gotta get up and try to do what they're 373 00:22:21,894 --> 00:22:28,544 doing." if they're a school teacher and they've dedicated their lives to helping kids, which I think is a noble 374 00:22:28,544 --> 00:22:35,394 thing, I could never do it, and, there's a lot of perks to being a teacher, but it's, perks are not getting rich. 375 00:22:35,644 --> 00:22:36,494 Let's put it that way. 376 00:22:36,744 --> 00:22:42,804 And so we talk about the underpaid teachers Really what we need is for them to wake up and say, "Hey, this 377 00:22:42,804 --> 00:22:48,434 going to a classroom and trying to, babysit 30 kids for a few hour is 378 00:22:48,444 --> 00:22:52,514 not the future. We're gonna teach these kids to learn a lot faster." 379 00:22:52,814 --> 00:22:54,564 and some of it won't be the rote learning. 380 00:22:54,764 --> 00:22:57,644 And again, maybe they will think more like Warren. 381 00:22:58,034 --> 00:23:04,584 the monitors will tell, this kid needs help with this." And so in a school of the future, I think we'll 382 00:23:04,584 --> 00:23:08,014 still have them because, it's better for a kid to spend time with a good 383 00:23:08,014 --> 00:23:12,524 teacher and to get to meet other people, all that kinda stuff is, the social. 384 00:23:12,984 --> 00:23:19,514 But in learning something, the good schools are now setting up with, an hour or two a day, and 385 00:23:19,514 --> 00:23:23,564 the kids are outperforming the ones that sit there for six hours. 386 00:23:23,884 --> 00:23:24,484 Exactly. 387 00:23:24,494 --> 00:23:27,934 They still keep the kids the whole day, but they do enrichment activity. 388 00:23:28,244 --> 00:23:34,804 And then if the kid needs help, the AI tells the teacher, who can spend one-on-one time with them, actually 389 00:23:34,804 --> 00:23:42,304 spends more one-on-one time with each of their students because they're really not responsible for the teaching. 390 00:23:43,024 --> 00:23:48,334 They're responsible for the wellbeing of the system and helping the kid learn. 391 00:23:48,664 --> 00:23:51,764 And homeschooled one of my kids. 392 00:23:51,814 --> 00:23:59,784 after four, of going through normal, my fifth kid said, "I don't wanna do this." And I go, "Okay, let's check 393 00:23:59,804 --> 00:24:05,194 into it." We went for an easy option where we had to go sit with a veteran 394 00:24:05,204 --> 00:24:09,614 teacher for an hour a week, and he gave assignments and things like that. 395 00:24:09,974 --> 00:24:14,914 and then he would look at the papers and say, there's nothing, there's no marks on this paper. 396 00:24:15,214 --> 00:24:19,354 did, he must have… You must mark 'em." I said, "When I deal with them, if we have a 397 00:24:19,354 --> 00:24:24,574 worksheet, we go through each problem, and if it's not right, we fix it right then. 398 00:24:25,434 --> 00:24:27,744 So they're all gonna be perfect when he turns them in." 399 00:24:28,844 --> 00:24:34,134 I didn't lean towards the fact that I only looked at one in 10, but, my kid knew to do that. 400 00:24:34,134 --> 00:24:37,024 But what he spent the rest of the day doing, 'cause he went to work with 401 00:24:37,024 --> 00:24:43,378 me, was this brand-new thing called Google And, he could find anything. 402 00:24:43,568 --> 00:24:48,308 Today he is the, financially most successful of the family. 403 00:24:48,738 --> 00:24:53,358 independent and does, and learns things and wants to know about things. 404 00:24:54,018 --> 00:24:57,248 other than maybe Dad's lectures for hours on any topic. 405 00:24:57,558 --> 00:25:01,548 But, when we talk, I do a lot of talking, and we enjoy good food. 406 00:25:01,878 --> 00:25:03,898 so that's a good visit with my son. 407 00:25:04,268 --> 00:25:07,428 And but then he goes off and he's just doing fascinating things. 408 00:25:07,628 --> 00:25:09,648 most of the time I'm asking him what's he doing? 409 00:25:09,918 --> 00:25:13,478 what secrets can I learn from him that I did wrong? 410 00:25:14,138 --> 00:25:20,238 Dad, first of all, I refused to work for you when the other kids didn't." I go no, let's not talk about that 411 00:25:20,238 --> 00:25:29,578 one." But bottom line, there's so much abundance that's there already, what can we do to bring this to other people? 412 00:25:30,028 --> 00:25:32,158 And I think the school is one. 413 00:25:32,438 --> 00:25:39,038 medical, man, I d- I don't think you can go wrong

right now if you get involved with something that's gonna 414 00:25:39,048 --> 00:25:48,988 improve health without requiring the normal process of FDA insurance and medical structures that we have. 415 00:25:49,288 --> 00:25:56,468 what we need is the ability to work within or without of those systems, get the expertise we can from it. 416 00:25:56,778 --> 00:26:02,928 The medical devices, all that stuff that when I c- when I, when I have used it has been so wonderful. 417 00:26:03,378 --> 00:26:08,858 The care that c- is possible inside the hospital structure is so great. 418 00:26:08,908 --> 00:26:10,778 I have nine toes now. 419 00:26:11,137 --> 00:26:16,400 I Wasn't wearing sandals before, and no one wants to see, a guy with neuropathy of the legs. 420 00:26:16,690 --> 00:26:20,790 But now, I have to tell you that I have nine toes 'cause I'm never gonna let you see my feet. 421 00:26:22,710 --> 00:26:23,810 I'm so much better. 422 00:26:23,820 --> 00:26:27,620 Balance is better, all of that, because I got something taken care of. 423 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:33,120 And, it's number four, so I can't, and I have neuropathy, so I don't even 424 00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:33,430 Jonathan Thomas: feel them. 425 00:26:33,430 --> 00:26:37,260 all of these things, again, get back to the structural changes that need to take place. 426 00:26:37,260 --> 00:26:38,850 And you don't have to burn it down. 427 00:26:38,950 --> 00:26:40,100 We don't wanna burn it down. 428 00:26:40,110 --> 00:26:41,310 It needs to be augmented. 429 00:26:41,650 --> 00:26:41,930 Warren Whitlock: So- 430 00:26:41,980 --> 00:26:46,430 Jonathan Thomas: one of the things that we are doing is, we have this score that gets created. 431 00:26:46,430 --> 00:26:48,070 We call it an ASVS score. 432 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:48,970 A-S-V-S. 433 00:26:49,020 --> 00:26:52,140 Algomash Sustainable Vitality Score. 434 00:26:52,790 --> 00:26:56,310 And you could think of it as your FICO score for your health. 435 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,660 So insurance companies could actually use that score. 436 00:26:59,660 --> 00:27:01,710 It's just a numerical score 437 00:27:02,116 --> 00:27:10,206 And they can use that to, not only better service their clients, but also better protect their, 438 00:27:10,236 --> 00:27:13,836 Warren Whitlock: their issue is gonna be we're gonna need insurance less, 439 00:27:14,436 --> 00:27:17,816 maybe because we're healthy but maybe just cutting out some of the waste. 440 00:27:18,326 --> 00:27:22,906 I don't need to physically see my doctor five or six times a year. 441 00:27:23,626 --> 00:27:25,716 It's the only way I get any question answered. 442 00:27:25,806 --> 00:27:30,006 We just had this discussion last week, so this is current, is that I wanna be 443 00:27:30,006 --> 00:27:34,486 able to have a Zoom call with you or I don't need that, She's a lovely woman. 444 00:27:34,486 --> 00:27:41,196 I don't mind seeing her face on the screen, but the 10 minutes where I was

talking about earlier, she was sitting 445 00:27:41,196 --> 00:27:45,726 by my side, which is great that she did that because I could hear her. 446 00:27:46,156 --> 00:27:52,076 And we had a great discussion, but at no point did we touch in any way, shape, or form. 447 00:27:52,996 --> 00:27:57,816 And, I could have done that from, on a phone call and she wouldn't have even- Save time and 448 00:27:57,836 --> 00:27:58,726 Jonathan Thomas: hassle and- 449 00:27:59,306 --> 00:27:59,716 Warren Whitlock: Yeah. 450 00:28:00,376 --> 00:28:05,146 She could have say, "I'm gonna call you in this time period and do it." I've done telemedicine. 451 00:28:05,506 --> 00:28:11,806 It, you spend more time talking to people who set it up than to the doctor, I hope it's gotten 452 00:28:11,806 --> 00:28:20,406 better, but I think telemedicine and messaging where I can, you know what, if I need to see a doctor, fine. 453 00:28:20,786 --> 00:28:23,516 I, it's not the time to see the doctor I worry about. 454 00:28:23,726 --> 00:28:27,876 It's the accumulative BS where I never get anything done 'cause 455 00:28:27,876 --> 00:28:31,016 I get done, then I come home and I've gotta go set up referrals. 456 00:28:31,026 --> 00:28:33,236 I'm going for a blood test tomorrow. 457 00:28:33,756 --> 00:28:37,046 it's taken, three weeks to get around to the point that I can get this. 458 00:28:37,446 --> 00:28:41,566 Hopefully, the results will be back before the six weeks we talked about earlier. 459 00:28:41,766 --> 00:28:44,656 It's this constant struggle to put up with this stuff. 460 00:28:44,886 --> 00:28:51,606 When we get rid of that, all the good people will still be employed in some way, and the insurance companies are gonna 461 00:28:51,606 --> 00:28:58,556 wanna know, like actuarial tables, as we start to live longer, what's it gonna be? 462 00:28:58,576 --> 00:29:05,706 It's not like how can we make enough money so that when you do get in the last years of your life and we spend millions 463 00:29:05,706 --> 00:29:09,576 of dollars trying to keep you alive that, we can afford it all of a sudden. 464 00:29:09,576 --> 00:29:10,276 Yeah, we need to show 465 00:29:10,276 --> 00:29:15,156 Jonathan Thomas: them tools that, let them make more money by keeping you healthier longer. 466 00:29:15,236 --> 00:29:21,786 Warren Whitlock: Yeah, because if I'm healthy, I'm gonna cost less than if I'm sitting in some kind of extended care. 467 00:29:22,176 --> 00:29:22,336 Exactly. 468 00:29:22,346 --> 00:29:29,556 When I talk about adding years to my life, the years I want are at this health or better, which I think 469 00:29:29,556 --> 00:29:34,796 I can get a lot better, especially with the drugs that are being worked on now that will reverse aging. 470 00:29:35,336 --> 00:29:40,296 bottom line, I've had a good life- If it ends tomorrow, eh, so what? 471 00:29:40,506 --> 00:29:48,046 at the same time, I wanna work on all this because I think it's so great for humanity that as we

have less kids 472 00:29:48,306 --> 00:29:55,146 and live longer, and this ridiculous idea of you're gonna work till you're 65 and never do anything again. 473 00:29:55,566 --> 00:29:59,036 I blew right through 65, and so that's just fine. 474 00:29:59,366 --> 00:30:04,426 Right now I'm dealing with things that are, mentally hard to deal 475 00:30:04,426 --> 00:30:09,436 with because of the insurance and the system stuff that I'm fighting. 476 00:30:09,706 --> 00:30:14,176 'Cause it used to be if I didn't take a blood test and oops, I forgot, then I'll 477 00:30:14,176 --> 00:30:17,386 just reschedule the appointment with the doctor and all that kind of stuff. 478 00:30:17,386 --> 00:30:18,306 I could live with that. 479 00:30:18,956 --> 00:30:23,116 Jonathan Thomas: So how do you envision, eliminating this structural friction? 480 00:30:23,166 --> 00:30:24,446 you're a crypto guy. 481 00:30:24,686 --> 00:30:26,566 You're a nanotech guy. 482 00:30:26,576 --> 00:30:26,596 Yeah. 483 00:30:26,956 --> 00:30:33,148 So how can we use those tools to help- eliminate this friction that 484 00:30:33,148 --> 00:30:33,328 Warren Whitlock: we've gone through I like that we've, turned the interview around bec- I'm gonna talk a lot anyway. 485 00:30:33,328 --> 00:30:33,608 Why not you ask the questions? 486 00:30:33,698 --> 00:30:34,398 I'm all for that. 487 00:30:35,198 --> 00:30:35,448 Thanks. 488 00:30:36,918 --> 00:30:43,138 But, yeah, I, what I s- what I see is we have to build systems that are outside of that. 489 00:30:43,488 --> 00:30:50,958 You've heard the stories of, IBM developing the PC in a skunk works, that they got fr- that name and how to do it 490 00:30:50,958 --> 00:30:55,218 from the a- aerospace, which learned that if we wanna build something new, we're 491 00:30:55,218 --> 00:31:00,748 building multimillion dollar, whether it's missiles or planes or whatever it is. 492 00:31:01,108 --> 00:31:05,828 But to change anything is gonna be… You have to be looking years away, so 493 00:31:05,828 --> 00:31:10,638 let's go develop a way to get through some of that technology faster. 494 00:31:10,878 --> 00:31:12,968 They have to then deal with approvals and whatnot. 495 00:31:13,168 --> 00:31:14,688 Pharmaceutical, the same way. 496 00:31:14,858 --> 00:31:19,158 We're getting to the point where they know what all the combination of chemicals are. 497 00:31:19,688 --> 00:31:21,088 protein folding is done. 498 00:31:21,718 --> 00:31:22,248 it's there. 499 00:31:22,468 --> 00:31:25,538 There's still a lot to learn from the database of what we have. 500 00:31:25,818 --> 00:31:27,798 We're just scratching the surface there. 501 00:31:27,818 --> 00:31:31,048 Yeah, but s- but solving that protein folding problem was huge. 502 00:31:31,048 --> 00:31:32,338 That's been solved, yeah. 503 00:31:32,428 --> 00:31:33,948 Math is gonna be solved. 504 00:31:34,528 --> 00:31:40,408 that one blows my mind, 'cause there's so much math I don't know that is commonly known. 505 00:31:40,888 --> 00:31:45,238 So I know about it, but don't ask me to try to figure out what the design 506 00:31:45,238 --> 00:31:49,788 of a curve should be in my next automobile, Because I got no idea. 507 00:31:49,958 --> 00:31:50,958 that one looks pretty. 508 00:31:51,208 --> 00:31:56,928 but, and I know there's engineers working out all sorts of equations to make the bridges hold up, whatever. 509 00:31:57,468 --> 00:31:58,958 but that's solved. 510 00:31:59,588 --> 00:32:02,328 And now as these things are solved, how are we gonna use them? 511 00:32:02,328 --> 00:32:03,288 What are we gonna build? 512 00:32:03,728 --> 00:32:10,148 And the biggest force against us going on is getting the people to do that. 513 00:32:10,358 --> 00:32:14,048 We need to train everybody that AI is here, not going away. 514 00:32:14,328 --> 00:32:16,168 Post-singularity's gonna be abundant. 515 00:32:16,428 --> 00:32:19,118 You need to figure out where your place is in that and do that. 516 00:32:19,578 --> 00:32:20,028 Done. 517 00:32:20,438 --> 00:32:21,528 We have to do that. 518 00:32:21,558 --> 00:32:22,668 It's gonna be some work. 519 00:32:22,848 --> 00:32:28,958 There's gonna, people say, "I'll never get in a self-driving car." That's because they've never been in a self-driving car. 520 00:32:29,328 --> 00:32:32,158 Once you've experienced driving in itself- it's 521 00:32:32,158 --> 00:32:32,738 Jonathan Thomas: amazing 522 00:32:32,888 --> 00:32:34,618 … Warren Whitlock: you just go why would I fight this?" 523 00:32:34,988 --> 00:32:35,148 Jonathan Thomas: AI 524 00:32:35,558 --> 00:32:38,668 is gonna be humanity's greatest collaborator. 525 00:32:38,678 --> 00:32:41,908 And people, like you said, need to get on board with it. 526 00:32:42,108 --> 00:32:45,178 Eliminate this fear of it, and it's here. 527 00:32:45,178 --> 00:32:46,258 It's here to stay. 528 00:32:46,268 --> 00:32:49,258 The cat is already out of the bag, so to speak. 529 00:32:50,036 --> 00:32:50,496 And, 530 00:32:50,546 --> 00:32:52,116 Warren Whitlock: We are in the singularity. 531 00:32:52,116 --> 00:32:55,806 Yes We just haven't experienced much of it yet, and some people just don't know. 532 00:32:56,176 --> 00:33:01,706 That… I still see people telling me, "Crypto's a complete scam." And they're going, "You just don't 533 00:33:01,706 --> 00:33:06,916 understand what the banks are doing." you don't look at meme coins to figure out what's going on with crypto. 534 00:33:07,276 --> 00:33:12,916 Yeah, so there's dark web transactions going, but hey, it's traceable. 535 00:33:12,916 --> 00:33:13,106 crypto, 536 00:33:13,756 --> 00:33:16,576 Jonathan Thomas: there are so many things that can be done with crypto. 537 00:33:16,646 --> 00:33:24,486 one of the things that we're looking at doing is tracking data- so you can better train AI models, 538 00:33:24,516 --> 00:33:30,556 and then be able to monetize, the people that have supplied that data. 539 00:33:30,726 -->

00:33:37,826 So we want people that are supplying data to actually get paid for the data that they're supplying versus how it's 540 00:33:37,836 --> 00:33:44,536 been in the past where everybody's- uploading their pictures on Facebook or Instagram, and they get zero. 541 00:33:44,956 --> 00:33:45,216 Warren Whitlock: Right. 542 00:33:45,296 --> 00:33:48,716 Jonathan Thomas: so crypto can play a huge role in that, and I think 543 00:33:48,716 --> 00:33:51,876 we've… We haven't even scratched the surface on where crypto's going. 544 00:33:51,876 --> 00:33:52,836 Absolutely. 545 00:33:53,026 --> 00:33:53,716 Warren Whitlock: Absolutely. 546 00:33:53,856 --> 00:33:59,726 so the future is that blockchain and AI c- converge to give us what we need. 547 00:34:00,046 --> 00:34:02,746 Everything will be stored in the securest way we know. 548 00:34:02,986 --> 00:34:08,246 And I'm not saying blockchain as the blockchain and there's one way to go. 549 00:34:08,446 --> 00:34:10,246 IBM doesn't call it blockchain. 550 00:34:10,246 --> 00:34:13,082 they call it distributed, storage of some sort. 551 00:34:13,082 --> 00:34:13,276 It's, 552 00:34:13,276 --> 00:34:16,676 Jonathan Thomas: it's just, it's an indelible ledger of some sort that is- 553 00:34:16,676 --> 00:34:17,216 Warren Whitlock: Exactly 554 00:34:17,356 --> 00:34:20,656 Jonathan Thomas: is protected, and it tracks data over time. 555 00:34:21,326 --> 00:34:22,926 Warren Whitlock: that theory is with us. 556 00:34:22,946 --> 00:34:23,966 It's been proven. 557 00:34:23,966 --> 00:34:24,966 It's gonna go on. 558 00:34:24,966 --> 00:34:25,806 We're gonna do it. 559 00:34:26,146 --> 00:34:34,236 It's we know that it's incredibly difficult to send a spaceship to the moon, but we've done it over and over again. 560 00:34:34,766 --> 00:34:37,056 So I can't tell you how. 561 00:34:37,416 --> 00:34:42,856 I can't tell you what trajectory does that, or, why Tesla was able to redesign that. 562 00:34:43,056 --> 00:34:49,326 I've read the business side of it, that SpaceX was able to take a look at it, go with first principles, and say, 563 00:34:49,326 --> 00:34:56,146 "What do we have to do to build a rocket whose goal is to go up and come back down?" And they were able to do that. 564 00:34:56,156 --> 00:34:57,996 That was an X Prize to begin with. 565 00:34:58,286 --> 00:35:05,666 but, you know, then several, I think the Bezos version is the one that actually won the prize, if I remember right. 566 00:35:05,666 --> 00:35:06,546 But one of them- Yeah, I think so … it doesn't matter. 567 00:35:06,546 --> 00:35:09,266 And they all, and then the bill- He just, he just 568 00:35:09,266 --> 00:35:10,526 Jonathan Thomas: blew up last week. 569 00:35:10,916 --> 00:35:11,186 Warren Whitlock: Yeah. 570 00:35:11,446 --> 00:35:14,736 The bill, it, it, but again, that's the news we hear about. 571 00:35:14,786 --> 00:35:19,666 What they did was they figured out what worked and what didn't, and they didn't kill anybody to do it. 572 00:35:20,106 --> 00:35:20,406 Right. 573 00:35:20,406 --> 00:35:24,206 They, they set back their plans a bit 'cause they thought that one was gonna work. 574 00:35:24,566 --> 00:35:29,576 But, Elon's comment when he blows something up is kinda like, "Great, we got the data we need." 575 00:35:29,856 --> 00:35:30,026 Exactly. 576 00:35:30,026 --> 00:35:31,786 It costs a lot to get that data. 577 00:35:32,106 --> 00:35:33,726 you have to have trial and error. 578 00:35:33,946 --> 00:35:39,116 And if we figure out the safety that's needed, again, hard to get past that, but we have to. 579 00:35:39,336 --> 00:35:39,836 We take- How, 580 00:35:39,836 --> 00:35:42,956 Jonathan Thomas: how can you break things faster and learn? 581 00:35:43,566 --> 00:35:44,406 Warren Whitlock: And how can we- Turn that into 582 00:35:44,406 --> 00:35:45,576 Jonathan Thomas: something positive? 583 00:35:45,636 --> 00:35:48,506 Warren Whitlock: And how can we get, the muck out of it? 584 00:35:48,576 --> 00:35:50,356 And it's like we gotta go outside that. 585 00:35:50,816 --> 00:35:58,326 if I was advising you, we'd be looking at how can we get this to the market that has nothing to do with big 586 00:35:58,336 --> 00:36:03,136 pharma, big hospitals, big Medicare, government, and big, insurance? 587 00:36:03,466 --> 00:36:05,256 just what can we do to avoid that? 588 00:36:05,586 --> 00:36:09,256 And then I'm like, you gotta find a doctor who says, and this would 589 00:36:09,266 --> 00:36:11,786 be advice for you, but it would also be advice for everybody. 590 00:36:11,976 --> 00:36:13,876 I don't think this is gonna be news to you. 591 00:36:14,226 --> 00:36:20,766 that our goal is to set up a system where this works outside of whatever there is. 592 00:36:21,296 --> 00:36:23,506 And as a consumer, that frustrates the hell out of me. 593 00:36:23,996 --> 00:36:29,346 I know I get a rash on my legs because of the neuropathy, and I 594 00:36:29,346 --> 00:36:32,976 know what to do to, to get it down, what makes it better and worse. 595 00:36:33,296 --> 00:36:41,176 And I, and the thing I got from the doctor was really weird 'cause we got into talking about this topic, oxygen, 596 00:36:41,826 --> 00:36:46,846 and we talked about I used to get oxygen bath, and there's oxygen hyper chambers. 597 00:36:47,196 --> 00:36:50,616 And we talked about that, and I told her about a place and the story on that. 598 00:36:50,906 --> 00:36:53,026 Again, I was able to teach her something. 599 00:36:53,346 --> 00:36:56,986 But it's not covered by insurance, no way. 600 00:36:57,586 --> 00:37:01,786 But I do know that when I went every day for three weeks to take 601 00:37:01,786 --> 00:37:06,866 a bath in oxygen-rich water, that all sorts of symptoms got better. 602 00:37:07,246 --> 00:37:10,626 People started telling me, "Your skin looks so much better." And 603 00:37:10,626 --> 00:37:14,116 I'm going like, I'm an old man." I was never worried about skin. 604

00:37:14,426 --> 00:37:17,306 it's not like I'm putting stuff on my face to make it look better. 605 00:37:17,536 --> 00:37:22,306 But I was taking these baths, and that includes putting it on your face, and my face got looking better. 606 00:37:22,306 --> 00:37:23,476 My arms look better. 607 00:37:23,866 --> 00:37:24,796 Everything about that. 608 00:37:24,796 --> 00:37:31,544 But, the bill was thousands of dollars- And I couldn't afford to just keep doing that all the time. 609 00:37:31,804 --> 00:37:33,524 Also takes a lot of time to do that. 610 00:37:33,794 --> 00:37:39,324 But it would be great if I could get one a week and it fit into the budget structure. 611 00:37:39,644 --> 00:37:41,344 is it tax deductible? 612 00:37:41,564 --> 00:37:45,454 There's a part of insurance, have I already paid something should be covering that? 613 00:37:45,624 --> 00:37:48,244 Or what kind of deal can I make to go on doing that? 614 00:37:48,534 --> 00:37:52,934 if I just bite the bullet and say, "It's gonna cost me X number of thousands 615 00:37:52,934 --> 00:37:56,874 dollars a year to do this," I look at it and I go, "Okay," but it gets put off. 616 00:37:57,194 --> 00:38:03,174 it's a lot easier to put it off when you have to be fiscally thinking about it every time you do it. 617 00:38:03,514 --> 00:38:08,424 And I'm not rich enough that I don't notice spending, $10,000 a year on something. 618 00:38:08,834 --> 00:38:15,674 and but when we get those systems to go outside that, the big advantage to what you're working on is that we're talking 619 00:38:15,684 --> 00:38:21,254 about something that's not gonna add a huge cost to have it out to everybody. 620 00:38:21,294 --> 00:38:24,314 Jonathan Thomas: it's healthcare that's going to free 621 00:38:25,542 --> 00:38:26,072 Warren Whitlock: Yeah. 622 00:38:26,142 --> 00:38:29,142 It's gotta be built into every phone. 623 00:38:29,712 --> 00:38:30,502 Why not? 624 00:38:30,592 --> 00:38:30,972 Exactly. 625 00:38:30,972 --> 00:38:35,852 And yeah, whether it's turned on or not, it's gotta be… the technology is built into the phone. 626 00:38:35,852 --> 00:38:36,722 It's already there. 627 00:38:37,422 --> 00:38:37,942 Jonathan Thomas: Correct. 628 00:38:38,272 --> 00:38:44,362 Warren Whitlock: We can get better some… like my Apple Watch and CGM, they've been working on it and saying 629 00:38:44,362 --> 00:38:48,032 it's maybe gonna come out in a version two versions from now of the watch. 630 00:38:48,292 --> 00:38:53,082 I put off buying an Apple Watch till the version seven 'cause, one, I 631 00:38:53,082 --> 00:38:57,602 didn't wear a watch for 30 years before that, and two, I was waiting for CGM. 632 00:38:58,252 --> 00:39:00,622 and it just, they just couldn't do it. 633 00:39:01,132 --> 00:39:08,312 And some of the heart and oxygen things that are on there are annoying to use, and a separate monitor's easier. 634 00:39:08,722 --> 00:39:09,672 And, we'll get there. 635 00:39:09,712 --> 00:39:10,972

We'll figure that stuff out. 636 00:39:11,652 --> 00:39:14,712 B- but some of it is, "Well- I, 637 00:39:14,712 --> 00:39:18,462 I, I- … we can't trust that the blood sugar or the glucose level is gonna be 638 00:39:18,462 --> 00:39:21,752 strong enough that we can say to your doctor that's what it is." Correct. 639 00:39:21,752 --> 00:39:22,602 And that's where the hang-up is. 640 00:39:22,632 --> 00:39:24,872 Jonathan Thomas: I'm gonna pilfer something from Elon. 641 00:39:24,962 --> 00:39:29,172 Elon- Okay … and, his Tesla FSD, full self-driving. 642 00:39:29,372 --> 00:39:29,592 Warren Whitlock: Yes. 643 00:39:29,612 --> 00:39:31,622 Jonathan Thomas: he went with vision only. 644 00:39:31,632 --> 00:39:35,062 He got rid of all of the sensors, LIDAR, all of that stuff. 645 00:39:35,092 --> 00:39:35,452 Warren Whitlock: Right. 646 00:39:35,542 --> 00:39:39,242 Jonathan Thomas: I want to apply the same concept to healthcare. 647 00:39:39,522 --> 00:39:40,832 It's vision only. 648 00:39:41,242 --> 00:39:50,032 So your camera should be able to do, instead of full self-driving, our FSD is full self-diagnostics. 649 00:39:50,042 --> 00:39:50,062 Wow. 650 00:39:51,022 --> 00:39:56,672 So the camera should be able to tell you virtually everything that's going on in your body. 651 00:39:56,872 --> 00:39:58,882 It should do it behind the scenes. 652 00:39:58,972 --> 00:40:04,722 and these- agents, intelligent agents should be able to go out and share this information. 653 00:40:04,992 --> 00:40:10,022 When a doctor needs to be pulled in, they're pulled in at the appropriate time. 654 00:40:10,202 --> 00:40:12,842 It's very frictionless and seamless. 655 00:40:12,902 --> 00:40:14,772 Extremely cost-effective. 656 00:40:15,352 --> 00:40:16,442 Everybody wins. 657 00:40:17,032 --> 00:40:21,522 Warren Whitlock: the vision of this that just struck me, and again, these aren't things that are gonna be 658 00:40:21,522 --> 00:40:29,072 revealing of stuff we already know, but it just hit me when you said that of I was just talking about telemedicine. 659 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:37,550 If we just made it so that in a telemedicine call that was turned on, you know- Now you 660 00:40:37,550 --> 00:40:38,170 Jonathan Thomas: got it 661 00:40:39,050 --> 00:40:42,990 Warren Whitlock: now your deal is with the guys providing telemedicine. 662 00:40:43,630 --> 00:40:44,300 And, 663 00:40:44,310 --> 00:40:44,600 Jonathan Thomas: And you 664 00:40:44,690 --> 00:40:44,900 Warren Whitlock: don't 665 00:40:44,900 --> 00:40:49,210 Jonathan Thomas: even need to trigger the telemedicine event until it's necessary. 666 00:40:49,590 --> 00:40:55,700 Warren Whitlock: And then it should be if doctors, instead of lining up patients and seeing each one for X 667 00:40:55,700 --> 00:41:01,850 number of minutes, trying to get their six an hour, 10 an hour, 20 an hour, whatever it is they're going for. 668 00:41:02,090 --> 00:41:04,650 I hear what the actual numbers are, and I'm always shocked 669 00:41:04,650 --> 00:41:09,100 how low they are, 'cause when I see … th- this could've been done. 670 00:41:09,340 --> 00:41:16,170 I had, when I was in a hospital stay, I had doctors that came in and never stuck their head through the door. 671 00:41:16,810 --> 00:41:19,600 They were standing in the hallway talking through an open door to me. 672 00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,440 And, 10 seconds later it was done. 673 00:41:23,170 --> 00:41:24,830 And I knew that's how the system worked. 674 00:41:25,110 --> 00:41:32,720 But if the system instead works on doctor sits at his desk and gets pinged when there's something he needs 675 00:41:32,720 --> 00:41:39,580 to do, and he's in a pool with 100 other doctors, and so there's always somebody available to take the call. 676 00:41:40,554 --> 00:41:41,494 But we know that works. 677 00:41:41,544 --> 00:41:43,824 We know that's call center organization. 678 00:41:44,304 --> 00:41:46,134 and we know they get better and better. 679 00:41:46,654 --> 00:41:52,374 Do you remember before we had call centers, what it was like to try to call, the 800 line? 680 00:41:52,784 --> 00:41:52,914 Jonathan Thomas: Oh, 681 00:41:52,914 --> 00:41:58,204 Warren Whitlock: Man, I tried to change… Oh, check in for a flight was offered by phone. 682 00:41:58,214 --> 00:42:07,014 It was a new thing in the '70s, and called and waited on hold for 50 minutes to have somebody say, "Verify 683 00:42:07,014 --> 00:42:10,404 your name and what the flight was," and say, "Okay, you're checked in." 684 00:42:11,114 --> 00:42:15,034 And that saved me an hour early at the, airport. 685 00:42:15,914 --> 00:42:17,884 but instead I spent an hour on the phone. 686 00:42:18,794 --> 00:42:24,344 but with the long cord that I could walk around the whole house with on the phone. 687 00:42:24,344 --> 00:42:26,724 But, yeah, And it was a wonder to behold. 688 00:42:27,304 --> 00:42:33,714 And now when you think about that can just be done, there is auto check-in on some flights. 689 00:42:33,724 --> 00:42:35,744 you can set it up however you want. 690 00:42:36,094 --> 00:42:38,184 travel is one of my favorite to look at. 691 00:42:38,454 --> 00:42:45,514 Without changing any technology at all, just the tech we have, maybe some software development to put this 692 00:42:45,514 --> 00:42:52,764 together, but I could decide I want to fly to Detroit and, my AI would be 693 00:42:52,764 --> 00:42:55,374 smart enough to say, "What the heck are you going to Detroit for, Warren? 694 00:42:55,384 --> 00:42:56,534 You don't have any business there. 695 00:42:56,644 --> 00:43:00,934 You don't know anyone in Detroit." But once it gets past that, it books. 696 00:43:01,464 --> 00:43:11,134 And what happens is a car pulls up, I get in the car with maybe my laptop bag or a backpack, and off I go. 697 00:43:11,474 --> 00:43:17,854 I don't worry about clothes because the AI has gotten the right service, 698 00:43:17,884 --> 00:43:21,574 and my clothes will

be in the room waiting for me on hangers. 699 00:43:22,034 --> 00:43:22,284 Jonathan Thomas: Exactly. 700 00:43:22,324 --> 00:43:24,394 Warren Whitlock: and all the-- everything else is taken care of. 701 00:43:24,544 --> 00:43:29,384 I'm not taken to the terminal where I then have to… This is so weird. 702 00:43:29,684 --> 00:43:32,774 All the Ubers and taxis drop you off at the airline. 703 00:43:32,774 --> 00:43:37,124 And I'm going, "I don't need the airline. I'm going to the gate." There's no way. 704 00:43:37,534 --> 00:43:41,944 If you're just going to the gate, here's where you have the drop off, because 705 00:43:42,164 --> 00:43:45,684 everybody that knows that is already dropping off there and it's overcrowded. 706 00:43:46,114 --> 00:43:47,474 So just drop me off anywhere. 707 00:43:47,474 --> 00:43:50,384 But then I'm go-- Why am I walking even inside the airport? 708 00:43:50,744 --> 00:43:51,354 It can be done. 709 00:43:51,404 --> 00:43:57,334 It would be like getting on a private plane, but you're skipping TSA because you've registered. 710 00:43:57,584 --> 00:44:01,044 You have your known traveler and all that kind of stuff. 711 00:44:01,344 --> 00:44:09,074 and you maybe walk through a quick security as you get into the airport, scanning for everything to make sure 712 00:44:09,224 --> 00:44:15,184 somebody doesn't come in carrying a bunch of loaded guns, which, they could be carrying plastic guns anyway. 713 00:44:15,424 --> 00:44:19,194 So none of the theater we have as TSA is needed. 714 00:44:19,434 --> 00:44:20,734 We cut down most of that. 715 00:44:21,428 --> 00:44:25,798 and then you walk to the place where the plane is, walk on the plane, sit down, and you go. 716 00:44:26,538 --> 00:44:29,978 And then, yes, there could be some waiting if you're going on a commercial flight, 717 00:44:30,348 --> 00:44:34,648 but all the seat assignment, everything like that should be already taken care of. 718 00:44:34,918 --> 00:44:40,828 There shouldn't be much in loading of luggage, and there will be for a long time 'cause not everybody would use this. 719 00:44:41,168 --> 00:44:46,948 Get to the place I'm going, and Uber is there waiting to pick me up and take me to the hotel. 720 00:44:47,198 --> 00:44:49,398 The hotel room is already checked in. 721 00:44:49,788 --> 00:44:52,098 I already have my mobile key on my phone. 722 00:44:52,658 --> 00:44:55,018 At no time do I have to interact with anybody 723 00:44:55,068 --> 00:45:03,218 By the way, they all hear this when I check into a hotel It's so much better than it was, and I don't mean to complain. 724 00:45:03,218 --> 00:45:07,318 I just go "Why are we doing all this theater?" there's a room available. 725 00:45:07,338 --> 00:45:08,678 Okay, great, you've got it. 726 00:45:09,058 --> 00:45:15,708 And, in a world of abundance, we're not talking about what do we do to maximize revenue per room. 727 00:45:15,718 --> 00:45:17,538 So- We've built a hotel that's gonna 728 00:45:17,678 --> 00:45:19,718 Jonathan Thomas: when you think about abundance, where do you see 729 00:45:19,718 --> 00:45:27,098 the biggest friction in turning that insight into lived vitality for 730 00:45:27,148 --> 00:45:28,988 Warren Whitlock: It's all existing structure. 731 00:45:29,718 --> 00:45:37,268 Because the existing structure keeps me from… Let's say you and I decide we're gonna build the, travel of the future. 732 00:45:37,438 --> 00:45:44,888 We have to be able to interface with everything from ticket sales to security to airport, where you go and what you do. 733 00:45:46,762 --> 00:45:48,462 We do our best to get along with that. 734 00:45:48,862 --> 00:45:51,332 And, I went a little bit more into that this time, but sometimes I 735 00:45:51,332 --> 00:45:56,332 describe this as I g- a car arrives, I go someplace when I get there. 736 00:45:56,602 --> 00:45:58,612 'Cause I think about this often when I'm traveling. 737 00:45:59,842 --> 00:46:06,192 I'm gonna get there, I'm gonna go to a name brand hotel, Marriott, because that's where my points are. 738 00:46:06,532 --> 00:46:10,642 And, may go someplace else, but again, my agent would know that. 739 00:46:11,182 --> 00:46:18,692 I'm gonna check in, and, I carry the clothes I need for short stays and, there's no baggage hassle for me. 740 00:46:19,042 --> 00:46:22,572 But at some point, I just wanna be done with all the friction. 741 00:46:23,102 --> 00:46:28,352 Like I would do if I had a private plane, and that's the reaction I normally get from airline employees. 742 00:46:28,582 --> 00:46:32,712 And we're going like, "But wait a minute, isn't all this tech available?" And they go yeah, we have 743 00:46:32,712 --> 00:46:35,832 all this," 'cause they know the name of everybody that's on the flight. 744 00:46:36,312 --> 00:46:38,822 They could do all of the interactions they need. 745 00:46:39,132 --> 00:46:42,042 Health checks could be done, "Hey, you're at risk. 746 00:46:42,052 --> 00:46:47,682 You really should drink a bottle of water before you get on that plane." Instead of, "Give me that bottle of 747 00:46:47,692 --> 00:46:51,722 water you're carrying because we wanna make sure there's no germs in it." 748 00:46:52,082 --> 00:46:52,732 S- see? 749 00:46:52,742 --> 00:46:53,652 It's okay. 750 00:46:54,442 --> 00:46:55,622 I'm-- it's not poison. 751 00:46:55,642 --> 00:46:57,392 Leave me alone." By the way, you can. 752 00:46:57,702 --> 00:47:04,022 Some of that oxygen water I got in drinkable form, these big tall bottles at $10 apiece. 753 00:47:04,452 --> 00:47:09,532 And I just-- when I was on the regimen of going every day, I needed to go on a trip. 754 00:47:10,192 --> 00:47:12,702 And so I asked, they, "Oh, this isn't a problem at all. 755 00:47:12,702 --> 00:47:20,290 You just tell TSA you've got that." And they have a bottle shaped thing they stick the bottle in and say, "Okay, 756 00:47:20,290 --> 00:47:25,530 that's okay." You just tell them your doctor

needed you to, do that, and the doctor at the oxygen place did that. 757 00:47:25,700 --> 00:47:29,050 He built a system outside of the existing system. 758 00:47:29,420 --> 00:47:30,840 Works very well. 759 00:47:31,190 --> 00:47:33,470 And again, you can't say that. 760 00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:38,800 I, I wanted to help him on some marketing and said, "You can't go out and tell people you can get cured." 761 00:47:39,450 --> 00:47:47,880 But stage four cancer, skin cancer patients are what he really treats, and th- their comfort level is so good. 762 00:47:48,210 --> 00:47:50,960 Whether or not they stay alive is not the issue anymore. 763 00:47:51,290 --> 00:47:55,640 The issue is, can they be comfortable in their skin? 764 00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:59,990 and he's got evidence that's been working for, 20, 30 years. 765 00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:07,950 But, we can't go out and say it cures cancer because the FDA would be suing him, not about what actually happens. 766 00:48:08,430 --> 00:48:15,270 Most FDA and regulatory lawsuits are about infractions of regulations. 767 00:48:15,900 --> 00:48:21,030 when I was working in publishing, we did the book, I think I'm the publisher on it, the way we handle that. 768 00:48:21,030 --> 00:48:24,320 the guy wanted to have a book, and he wanted to tell his story of fighting 769 00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:29,720 with FINRA And, if you're a securities agent, that's very important. 770 00:48:30,350 --> 00:48:35,920 he gave up his license and made a big deal of it because he wanted to be able to tell all in the book. 771 00:48:36,610 --> 00:48:39,660 I don't think he kinda got what he wanted, but that's a different story. 772 00:48:39,940 --> 00:48:44,830 his goal was to tell the truth about everything went on, and the story in the book is fascinating. 773 00:48:45,140 --> 00:48:46,480 I'd recommend it to anyone. 774 00:48:46,550 --> 00:48:52,180 But, other than I can't think of the name right now, the idea was all the problems could be fixed. 775 00:48:52,610 --> 00:48:57,330 as a company was going broke, they wanted to take care of the customers. 776 00:48:58,020 --> 00:49:02,140 And he says, "Let's send out a letter from the old company saying 777 00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:06,270 that we have assigned this guy to take over all the accounts." 778 00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:07,975 And this is your investment account. 779 00:49:08,285 --> 00:49:09,425 This is an important thing. 780 00:49:10,045 --> 00:49:18,375 And in doing that, he carried a thumb drive with the mailing list on it from one office down the hall 781 00:49:18,375 --> 00:49:22,235 to another office, but that other office wasn't the same company. 782 00:49:23,435 --> 00:49:24,755 And so he broke that. 783 00:49:24,785 --> 00:49:29,885 They slapped him with, like, a $20,000 fine, in his world which was nothing. 784 00:49:30,245 --> 00:49:32,045 He called it his badge of honor. 785 00:49:32,365 --> 00:49:38,865 But still when I heard the story, I'm going like, "Yeah, but what about the companies?" 'Cause it was all around. 786 00:49:39,055 --> 00:49:43,255 There was a lot of fraud and infractions and bad stuff going on. 787 00:49:43,415 --> 00:49:44,975 It's why the company was going broke. 788 00:49:45,865 --> 00:49:53,225 And it really had nothing to do with whether or not, the customers were getting good service. 789 00:49:53,795 --> 00:49:54,005 Right. 790 00:49:54,005 --> 00:49:58,225 And I, I see why they have the regulation, but the regulation didn't help. 791 00:49:59,075 --> 00:50:00,835 And isn't that all the regulations we have? 792 00:50:00,835 --> 00:50:04,165 So again, bottom line, let's set up a new service. 793 00:50:04,675 --> 00:50:07,835 In fact, you know, I'm, I wanna keep talking with you. 794 00:50:08,275 --> 00:50:15,915 I wanna see where I can get in on this and what we're going to do to integrate this with everything else so that the 795 00:50:15,915 --> 00:50:20,345 end user is giving up a certain amount of data, and I'm not paying for that. 796 00:50:20,515 --> 00:50:22,155 By the way, do you pay for the app now? 797 00:50:22,835 --> 00:50:23,575 Jonathan Thomas: A little bit. 798 00:50:24,365 --> 00:50:28,845 But it, it's not that much, and eventually it, it will go to basically zero. 799 00:50:28,855 --> 00:50:28,885 Okay. 800 00:50:28,895 --> 00:50:31,145 Your healthcare will be essentially zero. 801 00:50:31,505 --> 00:50:33,335 Warren Whitlock: Are you charging a monthly fee for it? 802 00:50:33,525 --> 00:50:33,835 Jonathan Thomas: No. 803 00:50:34,435 --> 00:50:35,825 Warren Whitlock: Okay, so it's not a subscription. 804 00:50:36,065 --> 00:50:36,605 Jonathan Thomas: subscription. 805 00:50:36,615 --> 00:50:36,645 Okay. 806 00:50:37,035 --> 00:50:37,385 Warren Whitlock: Yeah. 807 00:50:37,565 --> 00:50:39,115 It's a one-time charge, okay. 808 00:50:39,315 --> 00:50:44,865 And that has to do with you're a small company and you need the users, and the income helps with that, and it 809 00:50:45,165 --> 00:50:48,795 also means you're only dealing with people that are serious enough about 810 00:50:48,805 --> 00:50:52,495 it, instead of a kid who decides to download it and then, you know- 811 00:50:52,545 --> 00:50:53,105 Jonathan Thomas: Yeah, there, there's 812 00:50:53,455 --> 00:50:54,204 Warren Whitlock: a lot of costs- … floods you with 813 00:50:54,204 --> 00:50:54,373 Jonathan Thomas: a lot of questions 814 00:50:54,373 --> 00:50:54,855 behind the scenes. 815 00:50:54,855 --> 00:50:56,605 And, and we're self-funded, so- 816 00:50:56,985 --> 00:50:57,315 Warren Whitlock: Yeah 817 00:50:58,853 --> 00:51:01,613 Jonathan Thomas: You know, we don't have a big VC behind us, 818 00:51:01,623 --> 00:51:04,293 Warren Whitlock: Oh, man, all the investors I- that listen to 819 00:51:04,293 --> 00:51:08,173 my show are gonna be going like, "Dang, Warren, turn him around. 820 00:51:08,183 --> 00:51:11,233 Let him get him to take some money." "We want in on this." 821

00:51:12,623 --> 00:51:16,353 And you're using AI, so, boy, you already got the magic power there. 822 00:51:16,823 --> 00:51:19,913 so but somebody needs to build these things. 823 00:51:19,923 --> 00:51:21,413 You are building a piece. 824 00:51:22,093 --> 00:51:28,353 But really, let's stick this in with the telemedicine, everything, and c- it's like concierge medicine. 825 00:51:29,163 --> 00:51:33,943 and I would imagine your typical customer is somebody that knows what concierge medicine is. 826 00:51:34,683 --> 00:51:35,273 Jonathan Thomas: Yes. 827 00:51:35,913 --> 00:51:36,153 Yeah. 828 00:51:36,153 --> 00:51:37,553 it's even beyond that. 829 00:51:37,553 --> 00:51:39,103 it's agentic medicine. 830 00:51:39,543 --> 00:51:39,903 Warren Whitlock: Yeah. 831 00:51:40,653 --> 00:51:43,643 Jonathan Thomas: It's, it's- Wow … more seamless than concierge medicine. 832 00:51:44,233 --> 00:51:45,013 Warren Whitlock: Wow. 833 00:51:45,163 --> 00:51:49,583 Jonathan Thomas: So I- it's concierge medicine for the everyday guy or girl. 834 00:51:50,033 --> 00:51:50,433 Warren Whitlock: Yeah. 835 00:51:50,953 --> 00:51:51,043 Right? 836 00:51:51,053 --> 00:51:54,653 it's the model of concierge medicine taken down to something that makes sense. 837 00:51:54,913 --> 00:51:55,453 Jonathan Thomas: Correct. 838 00:51:55,693 --> 00:51:59,643 Warren Whitlock: And when I didn't have insurance, I talked to some people in concierge medicine. 839 00:51:59,943 --> 00:52:02,623 Had a friend that was doing marketing for one of the company. 840 00:52:02,843 --> 00:52:06,003 Went to the seminars, found out about how the company worked. 841 00:52:06,353 --> 00:52:10,153 It includes a gym membership, which I found, interesting. 842 00:52:10,493 --> 00:52:19,305 and what, a number where you could text a doctor at any time And that's because I've learned this from my coaching. 843 00:52:19,725 --> 00:52:25,325 I can tell 500 people that part of the package they're buying is that they get access to me. 844 00:52:25,935 --> 00:52:29,015 I don't have to worry about getting 500 texts every morning. 845 00:52:29,835 --> 00:52:30,755 It's, like two. 846 00:52:31,605 --> 00:52:34,145 And, I've experienced things like that. 847 00:52:34,335 --> 00:52:41,825 Also, if you do that wrong, you wind up with just the two, and that doesn't cover the cost of taking care of them. 848 00:52:41,835 --> 00:52:45,195 So my coaching business did not do well because of that. 849 00:52:45,555 --> 00:52:50,635 I found out that I get – I wanna get so involved, I'm better working at a consultant level. 850 00:52:50,935 --> 00:52:57,645 And then of course, the, information age came, you know, came away 'cause I'm – this is 20 years ago. 851 00:52:58,055 --> 00:53:04,645 Now, today, if I wanna do that, yeah, I can set up indi- to handle more people individually. 852 00:53:04,645 --> 00:53:08,055 I can get 1,000 emails in a day and get them all processed. 853 00:53:08,575 --> 00:53:13,375 Once I get down

to who are the three or four people where I can really make a change in their 854 00:53:13,375 --> 00:53:17,695 life, my life, or improving society, and that's not that many. 855 00:53:17,695 --> 00:53:18,565 I look for more. 856 00:53:19,205 --> 00:53:23,375 I consider this conversation to be one of those where, wow, now I've hooked up 857 00:53:23,385 --> 00:53:26,565 with somebody who knows where they're going and going to do something. 858 00:53:26,825 --> 00:53:28,185 We never talk again. 859 00:53:28,765 --> 00:53:33,385 the good in the world is that, you know, we've meshed thoughts 860 00:53:33,385 --> 00:53:36,145 for long enough that, we'll both come up with better ideas. 861 00:53:36,565 --> 00:53:36,915 Exactly. 862 00:53:36,965 --> 00:53:38,265 the same about networking. 863 00:53:38,665 --> 00:53:43,565 If people I know get a chance to meet people you know, whether or not 864 00:53:43,565 --> 00:53:47,855 they ever even know this conversation happened, the world's a better place. 865 00:53:47,865 --> 00:53:47,895 Right. 866 00:53:48,455 --> 00:53:49,755 And that's gonna happen. 867 00:53:49,775 --> 00:53:53,185 I think I told you before we started about the low number of viewers I've 868 00:53:53,185 --> 00:53:57,795 had on various things, and then I find out the impact gets to be much longer. 869 00:53:58,095 --> 00:54:03,785 I had no idea when you came along and told me that, you know, you looked at me as somebody leading and 870 00:54:03,785 --> 00:54:07,785 talking about abundance and going like, "How'd that message get to him? 871 00:54:07,985 --> 00:54:09,565 What happened there?" You know? 872 00:54:09,565 --> 00:54:13,685 it's not like we were together at a conference and met and started talking. 873 00:54:14,295 --> 00:54:15,995 It's somewhere, something happened. 874 00:54:16,405 --> 00:54:22,155 and I'm going like, "Well, that's probably because of all those people I know in between." And you follow the 875 00:54:22,155 --> 00:54:28,685 same people I follow, and somewhere along the line, we had a connection which led to us doing the podcast. 876 00:54:29,155 --> 00:54:31,025 And that's what I'm preaching. 877 00:54:31,145 --> 00:54:34,115 Abundance is to be shared and everywhere you can. 878 00:54:34,555 --> 00:54:36,915 and there's one last, you talked about roadblocks. 879 00:54:36,915 --> 00:54:38,575 There's one last that I have to say. 880 00:54:38,875 --> 00:54:40,635 We need to get rid of the profit motive. 881 00:54:41,155 --> 00:54:46,865 Capitalism is great, but we are now seeing a future where capitalism doesn't work. 882 00:54:47,907 --> 00:54:54,487 Because if my job is to take something and make it free, you find some way to have a profit motive in there. 883 00:54:54,957 --> 00:54:57,657 capitalism's still best, best way to do that. 884 00:54:58,067 --> 00:55:03,137 But when you, you're talking about coming up with something that's gonna go from a small charge that 885 00:55:03,137 --> 00:55:07,021 you give

the customer to billions of people are using it- Well, when, when 886 00:55:07,021 --> 00:55:11,737 Jonathan Thomas: everything is virtually free, it will, capitalism will get wiped out naturally. 887 00:55:12,317 --> 00:55:12,697 Warren Whitlock: Yeah. 888 00:55:13,077 --> 00:55:20,187 And we still need to feed and get clean water- Yes … to a huge number of people. 889 00:55:20,757 --> 00:55:22,887 and basic housing and things like that. 890 00:55:23,257 --> 00:55:31,817 the futures I know talk about a number of $350 in the US for a person, or in the West, we'll say. 891 00:55:31,857 --> 00:55:40,237 in the US, give shelter, food, and, you know, a basic, energy and whatnot 892 00:55:40,247 --> 00:55:44,457 have to be hooked up to make that work for $350 a person per month. 893 00:55:44,457 --> 00:55:44,837 Jonathan Thomas: day. 894 00:55:45,487 --> 00:55:45,717 Warren Whitlock: Per month. 895 00:55:45,717 --> 00:55:46,327 Jonathan Thomas: month. 896 00:55:46,627 --> 00:55:47,097 Warren Whitlock: Per month. 897 00:55:47,377 --> 00:55:48,207 Jonathan Thomas: Wow, okay. 898 00:55:48,227 --> 00:55:48,437 Warren Whitlock: Yeah. 899 00:55:48,807 --> 00:55:52,857 And what it'll be is r- robots building houses. 900 00:55:53,487 --> 00:56:00,367 Right now I see that we could use another 10 million instant houses, no matter 901 00:56:00,367 --> 00:56:04,347 what they are, whether it's everything from a studio apartment up to mansions. 902 00:56:04,707 --> 00:56:08,707 You know, it just has to be housing Not because there's people on the street that need it. 903 00:56:09,197 --> 00:56:15,397 Boy, if you wanna talk about failure, it's anything that's, that claims to be dealing with the homeless. 904 00:56:15,997 --> 00:56:17,287 That's just a money grab. 905 00:56:17,607 --> 00:56:19,227 It d- there's, it doesn't work. 906 00:56:19,897 --> 00:56:22,667 I met some people who did fantastic things. 907 00:56:23,117 --> 00:56:32,097 in the aughts, I met somebody, spent a lot of time, went to a conference down in LA and met this person who's just on fire. 908 00:56:32,357 --> 00:56:37,477 She had been working for, Yahoo, but she was working for some big conglomerate where her position 909 00:56:37,477 --> 00:56:41,117 gave her time to be working on their charitable giving and whatnot. 910 00:56:41,527 --> 00:56:46,777 And they said, "We've got this initiative to end homelessness in LA 911 00:56:47,237 --> 00:56:52,117 by 2008." That may not be the exact year, but it was a long time ago. 912 00:56:52,637 --> 00:57:00,267 Jonathan Thomas: So h- how, how do you incentivize greatness without having some financial Benefit. 913 00:57:00,447 --> 00:57:01,387 I mean, I- 914 00:57:01,507 --> 00:57:01,627 Warren Whitlock: Yeah. 915 00:57:01,627 --> 00:57:02,187 That's an interesting thing … that's 916 00:57:02,367 --> 00:57:03,657 Jonathan Thomas: something I struggle with, 917 00:57:03,707 --> 00:57:04,047 Warren Whitlock: Yeah. 918 00:57:04,487 --> 00:57:08,107 I- so it's, it's an interesting thing, and I get into the spiritual side of 919 00:57:08,107 --> 00:57:12,137 that, that you are not a whole person unless you're giving to other people. 920 00:57:12,997 --> 00:57:18,347 and you have to figure out a way to give, and we ought to be teaching that, not take. 921 00:57:18,497 --> 00:57:23,277 Not, "You deserve this because you were born," kind of thing. 922 00:57:23,277 --> 00:57:30,277 Not, and not, "We're gonna do this extra test to make sure there's no lawsuit later," in medicine. 923 00:57:30,657 --> 00:57:34,607 Jonathan Thomas: Yeah … and that- I, I, I get that, and that's a, that's a great attitude. 924 00:57:34,607 --> 00:57:37,587 it just doesn't work well with our species 925 00:57:38,187 --> 00:57:40,997 Warren Whitlock: And it hasn't worked well with our species because of scarcity. 926 00:57:41,677 --> 00:57:43,141 Eh, do they really, though? 927 00:57:45,031 --> 00:57:53,551 I mean, I'm imagining a- at this point in life, you're not, you're not in this company because you need to build wealth. 928 00:57:54,391 --> 00:57:57,991 That's a nice thing to have in the mix, but take that out for a moment. 929 00:57:58,441 --> 00:58:04,861 If you have the billion dollars there and everything's going fine, would you still be doing something like this? 930 00:58:05,651 --> 00:58:07,985 Jonathan Thomas: I am of course. 931 00:58:08,005 --> 00:58:08,385 This is- 932 00:58:08,405 --> 00:58:09,105 Warren Whitlock: Okay … this is my passion. 933 00:58:09,115 --> 00:58:10,955 Oh, you just admitted to being a billionaire. 934 00:58:11,365 --> 00:58:11,965 I'm kidding. 935 00:58:12,265 --> 00:58:17,405 whether you are or not is inconsequential to this, this program or your company. 936 00:58:17,765 --> 00:58:22,795 You're building something that's gonna m- m- be better for in the abundant future. 937 00:58:23,215 --> 00:58:23,685 Exactly. 938 00:58:23,685 --> 00:58:25,285 And I tot- totally applaud you for that. 939 00:58:25,525 --> 00:58:28,925 And I think… And I'm not doing this podcast to get paid. 940 00:58:29,365 --> 00:58:33,175 I've done thousands of episodes of podcasts, very little 941 00:58:33,175 --> 00:58:37,015 sponsorship, couple of deals where it helped me because of the… 942 00:58:37,385 --> 00:58:40,665 Definitely great for my reputation to say I'm a podcast host. 943 00:58:41,435 --> 00:58:45,275 built most of my audience with that in mind, that I was there. 944 00:58:45,415 --> 00:58:48,925 I wrote the first book about Twitter, and I have a podcast since forever. 945 00:58:49,345 --> 00:58:53,255 And then people find out, "Oh, you know something." And then it gets them over the 946 00:58:53,255 --> 00:58:57,585 hump to after 10 minutes talking, they go like, "You know what you're talking about. 947 00:58:57,645 --> 00:58:59,045 you've got experience. 948 00:58:59,095 --> 00:59:03,425 But I can't position myself as a futurer that's gonna tell you how to get ahead, 949 00:59:04,265 -->

00:59:10,325 I'm thinking about how I can 10X or 1,000X or million X what you're doing. 950 00:59:11,165 --> 00:59:13,135 I think about that in every conversation. 951 00:59:13,315 --> 00:59:17,505 And in fact, it wouldn't have gone this long if I wasn't thinking that you were 952 00:59:17,505 --> 00:59:21,745 somebody who was gonna do that and help my influence go out to those places. 953 00:59:22,095 --> 00:59:24,085 Because I know you, and I'm gonna share this. 954 00:59:24,425 --> 00:59:27,975 I'm gonna be a better person because I share this interview. 955 00:59:28,355 --> 00:59:34,235 And not just the interview so I can get people to watch it, but it'll be this inter- 'cause I want these… 956 00:59:35,145 --> 00:59:41,135 It'll actually be more of I get set at lunch at somebody at a conference, and they get talking about something. 957 00:59:41,135 --> 00:59:44,745 It says, well, you know, I got this thing called, Aguiform, 958 00:59:45,755 --> 00:59:48,245 'cause I, you know, I have trouble remembering the name for a while. 959 00:59:48,585 --> 00:59:48,895 And 960 00:59:49,695 --> 00:59:50,835 Oh, no Al- Algo. 961 00:59:50,835 --> 00:59:52,845 We've taken- An algorithm, algo mash That's it. 962 00:59:52,845 --> 00:59:54,585 I was just mispronouncing it that time. 963 00:59:54,905 --> 00:59:59,465 Algomash, so algorithm and the idea of mash, right? 964 00:59:59,665 --> 01:00:00,275 Mash up 965 01:00:00,275 --> 01:00:00,855 Jonathan Thomas: things. 966 01:00:01,035 --> 01:00:02,145 Warren Whitlock: Yeah, mash up things. 967 01:00:02,145 --> 01:00:09,355 That's great because it implies, that you're not gonna stop with just mashing up what you're doing now. 968 01:00:10,475 --> 01:00:10,705 Correct. 969 01:00:10,705 --> 01:00:12,245 This won't be your only product ever. 970 01:00:12,655 --> 01:00:13,625 Correct … yeah. 971 01:00:13,795 --> 01:00:21,675 And so Algomash, and so I'm just gonna say it enough times that I don't… Hey, that really got… what was his name? 972 01:00:21,935 --> 01:00:23,555 Well, I know he had two first names. 973 01:00:23,755 --> 01:00:24,045 Jonathan Thomas: JT. 974 01:00:24,075 --> 01:00:25,175 Warren Whitlock: Oh, JT. 975 01:00:25,415 --> 01:00:25,645 Yeah. 976 01:00:25,645 --> 01:00:25,665 So good. 977 01:00:25,665 --> 01:00:30,085 And this is a great guy, JT, and, and I remember him 'cause he has a bald head. 978 01:00:30,515 --> 01:00:32,525 Oh, wait a minute, that's half the people I meet. 979 01:00:33,325 --> 01:00:36,345 He's… He had a blue shirt on. 980 01:00:38,255 --> 01:00:43,025 And unlike your camera, I can't tell you how mu- what the distance is between 981 01:00:43,025 --> 01:00:48,395 your eyes and, and, you know, how big the nose is and whatever features there are. 982 01:00:48,655 --> 01:00:49,435 I see that. 983 01:00:49,455 --> 01:00:50,885 It's like any other technology. 984 01:00:50,885 --> 01:00:52,865 I see it and I go like, "That's pretty good stuff." 985 01:00:52,865 --> 01:00:58,895 That must be how some, you know, the Bill Clintons of the world can, can know everybody and remember everybody. 986 01:00:59,165 --> 01:01:05,135 So I, you know, I don't go around saying Bill Clinton's smarter than me in IQ, but I can't, I can't get the faces. 987 01:01:05,855 --> 01:01:08,255 Jonathan Thomas: you, you've not been interested in learning that. 988 01:01:08,255 --> 01:01:09,375 You haven't trained yourself. 989 01:01:09,375 --> 01:01:09,645 Warren Whitlock: Yeah 990 01:01:09,655 --> 01:01:12,265 … Jonathan Thomas: you're perfectly capable of doing it if you wanted to. 991 01:01:13,185 --> 01:01:13,575 Warren Whitlock: Yeah. 992 01:01:13,635 --> 01:01:19,125 And so the right things aren't firing in my brain, and I don't know why. 993 01:01:19,265 --> 01:01:23,055 You know, we don't teach face recognition to humans. 994 01:01:23,625 --> 01:01:25,765 I've never seen a class on facial recognition. 995 01:01:25,905 --> 01:01:26,525 I'd take it. 996 01:01:26,965 --> 01:01:28,015 I'd wanna know that. 997 01:01:28,475 --> 01:01:30,885 But, yeah, NPR guy, oh, what's his name? 998 01:01:30,925 --> 01:01:33,375 This American Life, that guy. 999 01:01:34,045 --> 01:01:40,525 he had a segment on about face blindness, and the experts were saying that it's not binary. 1000 01:01:41,475 --> 01:01:45,215 And, you know, I'd never really thought about it, but I said, "I 1001 01:01:45,225 --> 01:01:48,735 don't have face blindness." You know, I can recognize my wife and kids. 1002 01:01:49,225 --> 01:01:53,205 you know, I mix up my kids' names because we all do, especially when 1003 01:01:53,205 --> 01:01:56,305 they're young and you're calling them to do something and they're all there. 1004 01:01:56,695 --> 01:01:58,905 but, you know, that's just normal stuff. 1005 01:01:58,955 --> 01:02:04,525 and then I listen to this and at the end of it, he's talking to his producer, and he says, "Yeah, I think I'm like 1006 01:02:04,525 --> 01:02:07,985 that." And the producer says, "Yes, I've traveled with you." "When we're 1007 01:02:07,985 --> 01:02:12,845 at a conference or a big meeting, I'm constantly telling you who people are." 1008 01:02:14,265 --> 01:02:18,635 And they're like, "Great, I'm with Ira Glass. I'm face blind." And whatever- You just have it 1009 01:02:18,865 --> 01:02:19,845 Jonathan Thomas: stored in a different 1010 01:02:19,855 --> 01:02:28,105 Warren Whitlock: database instead of RAM … yeah, whatever the continuum is between zero and one, I'm closer to one than zero. 1011 01:02:28,425 --> 01:02:30,245 And, yeah, I have some. 1012 01:02:30,605 --> 01:02:31,635 And so what? 1013 01:02:31,675 --> 01:02:34,485 And I would love to get better at recognizing faces. 1014 01:02:34,885 --> 01:02:43,265 It's-- I have a good friend now, his name is Daryl, and now when I see him, it's a constant joke about, "Do you know what my 1015 01:02:43,265 --> 01:02:48,445 name is?" Because I met him four times and he doesn't like telling people who he is. 1016

01:02:48,675 --> 01:02:51,715 Doesn't wear a name badge, and I'm somewhat like that. 1017 01:02:51,715 --> 01:02:56,925 if you don't know me well enough to talk to me, if you're afraid, I do try to 1018 01:02:56,925 --> 01:03:02,725 now because I want people who know me, recognize who I am, come up and say hi. 1019 01:03:03,415 --> 01:03:04,735 I do want that to happen. 1020 01:03:05,195 --> 01:03:07,655 But it's not like I'm trying to avoid anybody. 1021 01:03:08,065 --> 01:03:11,315 And so I make sure I put on a name badge for that reason. 1022 01:03:11,755 --> 01:03:13,005 And, he doesn't. 1023 01:03:13,045 --> 01:03:13,835 He's one of those. 1024 01:03:14,355 --> 01:03:16,825 And so over 10 years, we met four times. 1025 01:03:17,265 --> 01:03:18,475 Always a great discussion. 1026 01:03:18,945 --> 01:03:20,645 And I'd see him and I'd say, "I know you, don't I?" 1027 01:03:21,215 --> 01:03:23,885 And he goes, "Yeah." "What's your name?" And he didn't wanna tell me. 1028 01:03:24,165 --> 01:03:28,545 in the crypto world, there are some people who go by the idea that 1029 01:03:28,545 --> 01:03:32,175 you have a different name online, and it's gotta be encrypted, too. 1030 01:03:32,275 --> 01:03:37,905 And turns out, met this guy, helped him get in a position where he changed something about his 1031 01:03:37,905 --> 01:03:42,715 business and, you know, now he's done multi-millions off of that. 1032 01:03:43,485 --> 01:03:44,355 He's done very well. 1033 01:03:44,395 --> 01:03:46,085 I don't call myself responsible. 1034 01:03:46,085 --> 01:03:48,075 It's not like I made the introduction. 1035 01:03:48,435 --> 01:03:51,075 But I was responsible for holding the event where that happened. 1036 01:03:51,515 --> 01:04:00,029 and so he remembers me because of that event I remember him because he's told me 4,000 times what his name is. 1037 01:04:00,539 --> 01:04:03,759 the last time we were together for three days at a conference and I 1038 01:04:03,769 --> 01:04:06,689 just started when, went up to him saying, "Hi, my name is Darryl." 1039 01:04:07,189 --> 01:04:11,059 So, you know, let's just make everybody's name Darryl and then I'll never forget. 1040 01:04:11,389 --> 01:04:13,489 so it's going on now what? 1041 01:04:13,509 --> 01:04:17,719 10, 12, 15 years since I've been first introduced to him. 1042 01:04:18,239 --> 01:04:20,209 And, yeah, interesting thing. 1043 01:04:20,479 --> 01:04:24,729 But in my database of the future, I'm gonna know that. 1044 01:04:25,319 --> 01:04:26,979 I'm gonna be able to get the signal. 1045 01:04:27,069 --> 01:04:30,569 I like the idea of not so much on the display, but in the ear. 1046 01:04:31,089 --> 01:04:33,469 I wear bone conducting headphones I got 'em on now. 1047 01:04:33,879 --> 01:04:39,329 where they don't go into the ear, and I'll have something like that and it'll just be there. 1048 01:04:39,799 --> 01:04:43,479 It'll be whispering in your ear instead of needing an assistant to do that. 1049 01:04:44,029 --> 01:04:51,479 And you go, "Oh, yeah, I remember. JT, and we talked on Twitter. Oh, yeah." 1050 01:04:51,569 --> 01:04:52,439 Jonathan Thomas: Exactly. 1051 01:04:52,739 --> 01:04:55,489 Warren Whitlock: an hour ago, I didn't know who you were. 1052 01:04:56,599 --> 01:05:00,209 this is Algomash guys com- I don't know anything about Algomash. 1053 01:05:00,969 --> 01:05:04,429 Jonathan Thomas, how am I gonna… Let me look up all the Jonathans 1054 01:05:05,199 --> 01:05:08,519 and Thomas' in my database where I may have talked to you. 1055 01:05:09,129 --> 01:05:10,469 and it doesn't work that well. 1056 01:05:10,829 --> 01:05:12,759 I have hundreds of thousands. 1057 01:05:13,219 --> 01:05:22,659 I, found out about the first social, CRM, 15 years ago, by the guy who created, One of those big, CRMs from 1058 01:05:22,659 --> 01:05:30,929 the late '80s, early '90s, and got bought out by Microsoft and he retired and had, went way past non-compete. 1059 01:05:31,279 --> 01:05:36,959 And then when he saw social media coming, he says, "We're not doing this right." And at the time, it was very easy to 1060 01:05:37,369 --> 01:05:44,889 go into Facebook and find out all your contacts that you had an email address or whatever, to put 'em into the next thing. 1061 01:05:45,379 --> 01:05:52,279 And so a lot of companies built by letting you go in and bring in all your Facebook contacts or all your Twitter contacts. 1062 01:05:52,779 --> 01:05:59,499 That's been, you know, more or less outlawed, although allowed in certain situations and if you have a paid account. 1063 01:05:59,879 --> 01:06:08,999 but I got the, CRM and it… so I met the, John Ferrara who built all it, and he had this new thing called Nimble. 1064 01:06:09,489 --> 01:06:14,909 And I got into it and I recalled that since the '80s I've considered a database to be important. 1065 01:06:15,839 --> 01:06:20,289 And your database was a Rolodex back then, and you were trying to 1066 01:06:20,289 --> 01:06:23,829 computerize it wherever you could and keeping things like that. 1067 01:06:23,879 --> 01:06:32,449 When I started in social media, I had a database of 130,000 people that I built up from my business. 1068 01:06:32,769 --> 01:06:38,419 So, you know, 50,000 of 'em I hadn't really contacted, they just wound up in the database. 1069 01:06:38,969 --> 01:06:46,019 Another 50,000 of 'em were the customers of my business, and so we met 'em that way. 1070 01:06:46,049 --> 01:06:47,789 But, they got entered into the CRM. 1071 01:06:48,189 --> 01:06:49,389 That's about as far as we knew. 1072 01:06:49,399 --> 01:06:52,339 Or we might have done service or sold 'em supplies. 1073 01:06:52,479 --> 01:06:53,659 We were in the laser printer business. 1074 01:06:54,279 --> 01:07:00,629 And, I never bothered to keep that apart, but I always looked for better ways to organize it. 1075 01:07:00,949 --> 01:07:03,719 And so social media came along and I had to try all of that. 1076 01:07:04,569

--> 01:07:12,229 And I, I did and it just exploded what I could do, except for me organizing and keeping it in sync. 1077 01:07:12,689 --> 01:07:18,759 When Nimble came along that helped a lot, and I wound up with not everybody that I have in my Twitter 1078 01:07:18,759 --> 01:07:25,699 database, but everybody from that old database and some of the other projects I'm working on are in there. 1079 01:07:25,969 --> 01:07:28,909 And I believe it's just under 500,000 now. 1080 01:07:29,279 --> 01:07:32,649 And the ability to find things there are great. 1081 01:07:33,179 --> 01:07:35,539 It even surfaces who you haven't talked to. 1082 01:07:35,759 --> 01:07:39,439 You can mark somebody to be keep in touch, and it'll do that. 1083 01:07:39,649 --> 01:07:42,009 And sales organizations are using that. 1084 01:07:42,369 --> 01:07:44,589 There's all sorts of things that… Good things for me. 1085 01:07:45,309 --> 01:07:48,299 But, you know, I've got a million other databases to keep. 1086 01:07:49,369 --> 01:07:56,359 I have a company where we have n- 9 million customer records, that have, interacted with us over the years. 1087 01:07:56,609 --> 01:07:59,139 maybe 2 million of them are active now. 1088 01:07:59,569 --> 01:08:02,099 But, active email addresses and I send out… 1089 01:08:02,389 --> 01:08:05,249 You know, this morning I sent out an email that went to a million people. 1090 01:08:05,619 --> 01:08:07,539 and so it's constantly going off. 1091 01:08:07,719 --> 01:08:13,529 Well, you get that big and you can't, you can't, you know, drill down and get more information on. 1092 01:08:14,729 --> 01:08:18,099 You can, but where's the profitability in that? 1093 01:08:18,099 --> 01:08:23,079 And I think it's- that, that is a website where people are allowed to download free e-books. 1094 01:08:23,379 --> 01:08:24,259 Jonathan Thomas: Well, come on, Warren. 1095 01:08:24,269 --> 01:08:26,969 You, you, you've, you've, nixed profitability. 1096 01:08:26,999 --> 01:08:28,379 Just give it away for free. 1097 01:08:28,569 --> 01:08:30,159 Warren Whitlock: I've been doing it for a long time. 1098 01:08:30,179 --> 01:08:30,489 Jonathan Thomas: I know 1099 01:08:30,489 --> 01:08:37,259 Warren Whitlock: I am reminded regularly by everybody from the bank to the wife to… It is people I've just met like you. 1100 01:08:37,309 --> 01:08:41,689 They're saying like, "You should be, you should have a whole lot more than you do." 1101 01:08:42,069 --> 01:08:48,459 But, it's, it's okay because I look at business as being like a Monopoly game. 1102 01:08:49,419 --> 01:08:54,759 If we're playing a board game, and let's say we're pre-teens who 1103 01:08:55,259 --> 01:08:57,979 have enough time to play a lot of board games in the summers. 1104 01:08:58,039 --> 01:08:59,919 And that's when I got into Monopoly. 1105 01:09:00,529 --> 01:09:02,559 And so we would just play all day long. 1106 01:09:02,599 --> 01:09:05,559 And a game would take, you know, 60, 90 minutes. 1107

01:09:06,089 --> 01:09:13,259 and then I met a guy who was playing the game in 20 minutes, and he just like raced through everything. 1108 01:09:13,749 --> 01:09:15,509 He gave you twice as much cash. 1109 01:09:16,219 --> 01:09:24,869 he changed a couple of other minor rules and said, "Let's just get to it" and it was a lot of negotiating for the property. 1110 01:09:25,519 --> 01:09:26,589 And this is just a kid. 1111 01:09:26,589 --> 01:09:28,679 I'm like, you know, 12 when this happened. 1112 01:09:29,449 --> 01:09:33,569 And I started playing that way, and Monopoly was a whole different game, and I loved playing it. 1113 01:09:33,969 --> 01:09:34,189 Jonathan Thomas: Yep. 1114 01:09:34,199 --> 01:09:34,589 So 1115 01:09:34,759 --> 01:09:36,989 Warren Whitlock: this is why I love using Monopoly as the example. 1116 01:09:36,989 --> 01:09:42,769 But the example which I tell often is that Mom comes in, we're playing Monopoly. 1117 01:09:42,929 --> 01:09:44,459 You're winning, I'm losing. 1118 01:09:45,985 --> 01:09:48,895 And, mom says, "It's time to go to the mall." 1119 01:09:49,425 --> 01:09:52,185 And you go like, "Well, yeah, we wanna go, but what are we gonna 1120 01:09:52,185 --> 01:09:55,585 do about this Monopoly game? We just got into it." You're winning. 1121 01:09:55,975 --> 01:10:01,055 Your idea is gonna be let's leave it right where it is, and we'll come back in a few hours and finish the game. 1122 01:10:01,525 --> 01:10:04,145 My idea is let's just clean it up and, 1123 01:10:04,225 --> 01:10:06,115 No, that wouldn't be Warren's idea ever. 1124 01:10:06,115 --> 01:10:07,945 I'm going like, "We don't need to play a game. 1125 01:10:07,945 --> 01:10:10,445 Just dump all this stuff to the side. 1126 01:10:10,445 --> 01:10:11,165 We'll set it up. 1127 01:10:11,315 --> 01:10:17,955 We won't take it even off the table," 'cause I'm lazy that way. But let's say whatever, we get back, and we got… 1128 01:10:18,245 --> 01:10:25,875 Now we gotta look at the external factors. Mom, the authority figure comes in and says, "Clean it up right now. 1129 01:10:25,945 --> 01:10:29,935 I want you cleaned up and in the car in five minutes." Well, now that's decided. 1130 01:10:30,155 --> 01:10:31,805 The dog comes and knocks it over. 1131 01:10:32,285 --> 01:10:34,265 that's, you know, natural disasters. 1132 01:10:34,525 --> 01:10:40,315 Or, we make some agreement between what we're going to do, and I accidentally kick the board over. 1133 01:10:40,645 --> 01:10:47,193 whatever happens, happens Here's the thing, after dinner we're gonna set up the board and play again. 1134 01:10:48,373 --> 01:10:52,913 The outcome of who won or lost the last game is negligible at that point. 1135 01:10:53,443 --> 01:10:54,643 We don't even remember it. 1136 01:10:54,783 --> 01:11:00,803 I remember if you win every time we play, which is how I learned to play fast, and, you know, when I got 1137 01:11:00,803 --> 01:11:05,133 married, I went with my wife, and my brother wanted to play Monopoly. 1138 01:11:05,133 --> 01:11:05,943 We set it up. 1139 01:11:06,333 --> 01:11:14,023 I don't recall we were able to use my rules, but by that time I was in the idea anything you can do that's cheating, 1140 01:11:14,293 --> 01:11:21,833 like count eight instead of nine places when you move, because that's lands you on a better place, you know, anything 1141 01:11:21,833 --> 01:11:28,113 like that is allowed, as long as it's done in the open and everybody can see it and they're just not paying attention. 1142 01:11:28,723 --> 01:11:37,003 So no stealing money from the bank and, but if you're negotiating with somebody and say, "Okay, I'll, I'll 1143 01:11:37,003 --> 01:11:40,813 give you this two, these two properties and $100," well, you can give them 1144 01:11:40,833 --> 01:11:45,063 $80 and switch which property you give them, and that would still be okay. 1145 01:11:45,273 --> 01:11:48,183 As long as they take it and it's an open transaction, it's okay. 1146 01:11:48,593 --> 01:11:56,153 changed my views about shoplifting for a while because I would go into a store and look for something that was mistagged. 1147 01:11:57,213 --> 01:11:59,733 It's on s- it was on sale, but it went off sale. 1148 01:11:59,733 --> 01:12:04,393 I go in there, I find three in the back of the hundred that are marked 1149 01:12:04,393 --> 01:12:08,133 with the sale price, and you take that and the cashier charges you that. 1150 01:12:08,523 --> 01:12:09,633 Is that illegal? 1151 01:12:10,133 --> 01:12:10,893 is it wrong? 1152 01:12:10,973 --> 01:12:11,483 Yeah. 1153 01:12:12,003 --> 01:12:15,973 It didn't, it didn't go in the spirit of what the bank was, what the store was trying to do. 1154 01:12:16,343 --> 01:12:19,073 So I've tu- I've turned around on the moral position of all this. 1155 01:12:19,073 --> 01:12:25,993 But at the time, I played Monopoly like that, and I did absolutely nothing when I'm playing with my wife and brother, 1156 01:12:26,353 --> 01:12:29,903 and I got shut down, and that was the last game of Monopoly I played. 1157 01:12:30,283 --> 01:12:39,563 you know, I was 23, because it just didn't go r- But the idea of seeking to optimize and looking for the best way 1158 01:12:39,563 --> 01:12:45,793 to do it, if I could change things so that another thousand people got to know 1159 01:12:45,793 --> 01:12:52,679 about what you're doing- And cut out some of the crap that's, you know, sheesh. 1160 01:12:53,019 --> 01:12:56,219 regularly I watch Peter Diamandis and he talks about Fountain Life. 1161 01:12:56,219 --> 01:12:57,689 And I'm going, "This is great. 1162 01:12:57,859 --> 01:13:04,089 I have all my CEOs and everybody I know, every board I'm on, and because I want these people to live for a long 1163 01:13:04,089 --> 01:13:11,379 time." You go through the Fountain of Life procedure and, $15,000 later you find out about the cancer that hasn't 1164 01:13:11,389 --> 01:13:15,459 reached stage one, and you can take

some action and, it improves your life. 1165 01:13:15,659 --> 01:13:17,049 Is that worth $15,000? 1166 01:13:17,049 --> 01:13:17,379 Yeah. 1167 01:13:17,789 --> 01:13:20,409 Is Warren gonna spend $15,000? 1168 01:13:21,679 --> 01:13:22,319 Maybe not. 1169 01:13:23,919 --> 01:13:27,789 So I think anything we can do to speed up that process keeps soul alive. 1170 01:13:28,459 --> 01:13:35,049 And I'm pretty sure in the abundant future I'm not gonna have to worry about the fact that, you know, I wound 1171 01:13:35,059 --> 01:13:41,359 up with a little credit card debt here or I have this thing here which I'm, you know, I'm working on and the vendor 1172 01:13:41,639 --> 01:13:46,249 and the, customer didn't pay me, or I went beyond what I contracted to do. 1173 01:13:46,569 --> 01:13:47,519 It's not gonna matter. 1174 01:13:48,389 --> 01:13:48,399 Jonathan Thomas: Yeah. 1175 01:13:48,399 --> 01:13:53,999 Well, the bottom line is this universe is… got so much potential already built in. 1176 01:13:54,409 --> 01:13:54,649 Warren Whitlock: Yeah. 1177 01:13:54,649 --> 01:13:57,449 Jonathan Thomas: we have been brought up with this scarcity mindset. 1178 01:13:57,459 --> 01:13:57,489 Right. 1179 01:13:57,859 --> 01:13:59,669 And you need to change that. 1180 01:13:59,749 --> 01:14:00,199 We need to change that. 1181 01:14:00,199 --> 01:14:00,219 You're 1182 01:14:00,229 --> 01:14:03,739 Warren Whitlock: Work is good for the soul, but it's not, it's not… 1183 01:14:04,079 --> 01:14:07,079 The reason to work is not because your soul's gonna get better, 1184 01:14:07,619 --> 01:14:10,699 and it's not g- it's not because you're gonna make some more money. 1185 01:14:10,959 --> 01:14:11,899 You need to eat. 1186 01:14:12,469 --> 01:14:16,769 remember 200 years ago none of the jobs we have today existed. 1187 01:14:17,049 --> 01:14:19,749 People didn't get jobs, they worked on their farm. 1188 01:14:20,379 --> 01:14:23,989 and then maybe worked with somebody else to do something of a bigger thing. 1189 01:14:23,989 --> 01:14:26,899 And then, you know, there were governments and schools. 1190 01:14:27,169 --> 01:14:30,539 schools, mm, yeah, 200 years ago would have been something. 1191 01:14:30,539 --> 01:14:35,219 100 years ago, though, schools were around and nothing like they are today. 1192 01:14:35,449 --> 01:14:37,889 Unfortunately way too much like they are today. 1193 01:14:37,949 --> 01:14:44,399 Jonathan Thomas: But wouldn't, won't it be nice when we have, the agreement to maximize people's talent instead of- 1194 01:14:44,489 --> 01:14:49,049 pigeonholing them into, you know, a kid goes- to school and you're 1195 01:14:49,109 --> 01:14:52,759 assigned to this classroom, and you're gonna sit there all day 1196 01:14:52,999 --> 01:14:53,324 Warren Whitlock: and learn. 1197 01:14:53,324 --> 01:14:58,664 and no kid left behind means that every kid has to go at the slowest pace. 1198 01:14:58,954 --> 01:14:59,524 Jonathan Thomas: Correct. 1199 01:14:59,924 --> 01:15:00,264 Warren Whitlock: Yeah. 1200 01:15:00,284 --> 01:15:03,064 And it just, it doesn't mathematically work out. 1201 01:15:03,064 --> 01:15:06,464 The logic in No Child Left Behind just eludes me. 1202 01:15:06,714 --> 01:15:10,214 The idea of we wanna reach every child is fantastic. 1203 01:15:11,014 --> 01:15:14,714 And, but we do that in all the other programs that we have. 1204 01:15:14,774 --> 01:15:19,834 you know, that we have to be thinking that, is a diverse group gonna 1205 01:15:19,844 --> 01:15:24,374 have problems with this in certain areas in social economic things? 1206 01:15:24,824 --> 01:15:28,745 And yeah, there's race and nationality and- Yeah, but that diverse group might have some 1207 01:15:28,745 --> 01:15:30,635 Jonathan Thomas: talents in another area that 1208 01:15:31,225 --> 01:15:31,285 Warren Whitlock: we can't 1209 01:15:31,285 --> 01:15:31,625 Jonathan Thomas: see. 1210 01:15:31,655 --> 01:15:34,915 Warren Whitlock: they're neurodiverse, they're, demographically 1211 01:15:34,915 --> 01:15:37,645 diverse, and they're gonna have experiences you don't have. 1212 01:15:37,845 --> 01:15:41,365 Tom Peters started preaching this in the '90s like crazy. 1213 01:15:41,665 --> 01:15:47,985 You know, he wrote In Search of Excellence, and it was the, you know, the biggest business book ever in the '80s. 1214 01:15:48,195 --> 01:15:52,315 And we all started preaching that we cared about excellence when we wrote our mission statements. 1215 01:15:52,645 --> 01:15:57,855 That didn't mean that we were doing much different but we got excellence talk in at least. 1216 01:15:58,205 --> 01:16:01,275 And then he came out with some other stuff, some real crazy stuff. 1217 01:16:01,595 --> 01:16:08,385 But this guy was big enough they did a PBS special based on his work, and he wrote a lot of other best-selling books. 1218 01:16:08,625 --> 01:16:13,425 And now he hangs around and, I don't know, 10 years ago I c- I connected with him on Twitter. 1219 01:16:13,595 --> 01:16:17,635 We've had a couple of exchanges, and I love what he's, what he's doing now. 1220 01:16:17,685 --> 01:16:20,955 he took a bunch of his blogs and put them in a book, and his 1221 01:16:20,975 --> 01:16:25,395 process for doing that is a more interesting story than most I hear. 1222 01:16:25,775 --> 01:16:27,405 I won't bother sharing right now. 1223 01:16:27,405 --> 01:16:28,585 This is already too long. 1224 01:16:28,925 --> 01:16:32,845 But, the idea is he broke all the conventions. 1225 01:16:33,085 --> 01:16:38,765 He made them, put like 24-point type in the middle of a book that was in 10 or 12 point. 1226 01:16:39,455 --> 01:16:41,885 So you're reading along the book and suddenly there's a big word. 1227 01:16:42,135 --> 01:16:43,925 He wanted to make sure you notice. 1228 01:16:44,255 --> 01:16:50,945 He repeats himself and tells you he's repeating himself, and then he repeats himself all the time 'cause it works. 1229 01:16:51,575

--> 01:16:55,845 Any good comedian is gonna say the same thing two or three times. 1230 01:16:56,887 --> 01:17:00,557 And the bet- the best of them are not gonna make you think, "Hey, that 1231 01:17:00,557 --> 01:17:04,757 guy's using that trick." I think I'm well trained to spot that trick. 1232 01:17:05,477 --> 01:17:08,427 A lot of times I'm watching the comic and they're so good I don't care. 1233 01:17:10,327 --> 01:17:16,327 But, and a good, a lot of good public speakers, politicians always will repeat what they say. 1234 01:17:16,807 --> 01:17:18,587 But I think that's what it is. 1235 01:17:18,787 --> 01:17:27,137 If we get together, and I'm just thinking you, me sitting on the beach, and, drinking our, it'd be water for me. 1236 01:17:27,397 --> 01:17:30,967 you can have a Mai Tai, but my, I drink nothing but water. 1237 01:17:31,387 --> 01:17:33,177 And, I've got my thermos there. 1238 01:17:33,817 --> 01:17:39,097 We're sitting and having a conversation, enjoying the view, and, we come up with an idea. 1239 01:17:39,117 --> 01:17:45,407 We're gonna do something, and we pick up a phone and say, "Do this," and it goes and does it I was 1240 01:17:45,457 --> 01:17:49,467 consulting with a guy, actually we're thinking of starting something up. 1241 01:17:49,467 --> 01:17:53,447 He says, "We really should do something in, in all that blockchain stuff 1242 01:17:53,457 --> 01:17:57,777 you're doing." And this is maybe 2018, 2019, something like that. 1243 01:17:58,237 --> 01:18:03,517 And so, "Okay, fine. What are we gonna do?" "Well, I come to Vegas on a regular basis. We'll get together." 1244 01:18:03,757 --> 01:18:06,917 And then it became a daily phone call, and we kept structuring things. 1245 01:18:06,917 --> 01:18:11,837 And I said, "Let's turn this into a business and do this." And he'd say, "I'm not ready yet." And after 1246 01:18:12,277 --> 01:18:15,707 a couple of months of that, he's coming to Vegas in a couple of days. 1247 01:18:15,867 --> 01:18:16,967 I've set up to see him. 1248 01:18:16,987 --> 01:18:21,527 It's exciting, but we don't talk every day anymore, and we don't try to actually form the business. 1249 01:18:22,077 --> 01:18:29,467 But those conversations taught me so much, and the one that I quote myself on all the time, it is quoting me, he was 1250 01:18:29,467 --> 01:18:34,937 involved, but is, what are we going to do in commercial real estate with blockchain? 1251 01:18:35,417 --> 01:18:38,807 He had a commercial real estate background, talked about the programs. 1252 01:18:38,807 --> 01:18:46,457 he informed me that, somebody that owns commercial real estate owns some There's plenty of people that are big businesses 1253 01:18:46,717 --> 01:18:52,817 that only own four, five, six properties, and their software is cobbled together 1254 01:18:52,817 --> 01:18:58,877 from what there was or maybe there's a few vendors, but it's like project by project. 1255 01:18:59,267 --> 01:19:04,087 And maybe they own five projects and three of them use one software, the other two use two other ones. 1256 01:19:04,607 --> 01:19:07,377 And we said, "Well, I don't wanna write software. 1257 01:19:07,377 --> 01:19:14,787 What else could we do?" Said, "Well, when this is all-- If we eliminate what the hassle of escrow is, that somebody can 1258 01:19:14,787 --> 01:19:22,547 decide to invest in a property, get all of the information they need instantly compiled, and then make that decision. 1259 01:19:22,957 --> 01:19:26,107 And maybe it includes some board meetings and investors or whatnot. 1260 01:19:26,327 --> 01:19:31,097 It may take weeks, but it doesn't need to take months or years to close on a property." 1261 01:19:31,137 --> 01:19:31,457 Jonathan Thomas: Yeah. 1262 01:19:31,477 --> 01:19:36,107 There's a very well-known developer out of Chicago that's doing, a lot of 1263 01:19:36,107 --> 01:19:42,857 work in Saudi Arabia using- blockchain and crypto in commercial real estate. 1264 01:19:43,107 --> 01:19:47,017 Warren Whitlock: and allowing investors to invest in the crypto instead of They've got some 1265 01:19:47,017 --> 01:19:48,397 Jonathan Thomas: very clever ways of- 1266 01:19:48,467 --> 01:19:48,817 Warren Whitlock: Yeah 1267 01:19:48,897 --> 01:19:49,057 … Jonathan Thomas: of 1268 01:19:49,057 --> 01:19:49,407 Warren Whitlock: doing things. 1269 01:19:49,407 --> 01:19:50,967 I meet those guys at the investor- it's 1270 01:19:50,967 --> 01:19:52,027 Jonathan Thomas: becoming huge. 1271 01:19:52,277 --> 01:19:52,607 Warren Whitlock: Yeah. 1272 01:19:52,667 --> 01:19:56,977 And again, this is an old conversation, but what I came up with is I 1273 01:19:56,977 --> 01:20:00,647 want this to be, I can drive by, point my camera at this place. 1274 01:20:00,847 --> 01:20:02,687 It knows which property it is. 1275 01:20:02,697 --> 01:20:05,197 It knows whether or not it's available for sale. 1276 01:20:05,587 --> 01:20:10,857 And of course, with AI agents, should be negotiated and comes up with, "Hey, 1277 01:20:10,947 --> 01:20:14,227 they'll agree to this price, and I say you should agree to this price. 1278 01:20:14,497 --> 01:20:16,247 It's in the range of what we wanted. 1279 01:20:16,677 --> 01:20:21,153 then, you know, let's close it." And what, here's the thing that hit me 1280 01:20:21,283 --> 01:20:23,613 Jonathan Thomas: Yeah, but how long do you want it for, Warren? 1281 01:20:23,613 --> 01:20:28,213 Do you need it for the next five years or the next five days? 1282 01:20:28,273 --> 01:20:29,893 Warren Whitlock: Yeah, or five hours. 1283 01:20:30,023 --> 01:20:31,193 Jonathan Thomas: Or five hours. 1284 01:20:31,273 --> 01:20:34,013 Warren Whitlock: and then we looked at, Halloween stores and 1285 01:20:34,013 --> 01:20:37,813 Christmas stores, where they're constantly looking for property. 1286 01:20:38,553 --> 01:20:47,823 and the fact was at the time, there'd been a, Harley Davidson, restaurant on one of the biggest, intersections, in Vegas.

1287 01:20:48,323 --> 01:20:53,813 they had opened it, apparently it was doing well, it was there for years, but across the street is the 1288 01:20:53,813 --> 01:20:59,853 city center, which is like five major project, new roads, all sorts of stuff 1289 01:20:59,853 --> 01:21:04,323 that got built in the aughts, we'll say, since I moved here 20 years ago. 1290 01:21:04,403 --> 01:21:09,563 when it opened, for some reason, the way the traffic went or whatever, it was hard to get in that restaurant. 1291 01:21:10,473 --> 01:21:15,363 I don't know what the problem was, maybe bad management, and they just, decided to close. 1292 01:21:15,743 --> 01:21:18,493 And it sat there looking like, you couldn't tell it was Harley 1293 01:21:18,493 --> 01:21:21,813 Davidson at a glance anymore, but the restaurant was still there. 1294 01:21:22,193 --> 01:21:31,053 And I'm going, "There's obviously a way that somebody could open up something there if they could get it open instantly 1295 01:21:31,523 --> 01:21:37,933 and take the traffic that's walking." Maybe the vehicle traffic has changed, but the walking traffic would be different. 1296 01:21:38,163 --> 01:21:40,803 So it may need to be a different mix of food or whatever. 1297 01:21:41,363 --> 01:21:43,463 Well, how long would it take to get that building ready? 1298 01:21:43,553 --> 01:21:45,683 definitely months, not years. 1299 01:21:46,143 --> 01:21:52,893 But if you try to go to the county and get something approved for a different kind of use, who knows how long that could take. 1300 01:21:53,163 --> 01:21:58,413 Environmental studies, whatever, property that's there, it's zoned for a casino. 1301 01:21:59,355 --> 01:22:04,205 So you could open up a restaurant and run it for six years, and then somebody's gonna build a casino. 1302 01:22:04,205 --> 01:22:05,045 I'm trying to think. 1303 01:22:05,715 --> 01:22:11,215 I think the lot's the last time I paid attention, the lot was still empty, and I've been watching this for, like, 10 1304 01:22:11,225 --> 01:22:18,095 years and, you know, walking past it at times because they have the bridges that go over the Strip and things like that. 1305 01:22:18,425 --> 01:22:19,895 It's in that system. 1306 01:22:20,045 --> 01:22:21,105 You can get to it. 1307 01:22:21,585 --> 01:22:24,815 and, they, just hasn't been able to get the right kind of property. 1308 01:22:25,035 --> 01:22:28,745 What I'm saying is if I can make a deal, take over your property maybe 1309 01:22:28,745 --> 01:22:32,875 on, maybe on a lease, maybe a purchase, the money is a different thing. 1310 01:22:33,315 --> 01:22:39,665 Casinos teach you a lot about how to do commercial real estate 'cause, we have casinos where the casino 1311 01:22:39,725 --> 01:22:43,275 group, the name that owns them, has nothing to do with what's running it. 1312 01:22:43,535 --> 01:22:47,225 A big casino, every one of those properties is different corporations, right? 1313 01:22:47,675 --> 01:22:51,345 And they're leasing space from another corporation, and then 1314 01:22:51,345 --> 01:22:54,885 another corporation owns the land, but they're part of a group. 1315 01:22:55,265 --> 01:23:00,215 So you make a deal and get into the nine largest casinos at the same time, MGM or Caesars. 1316 01:23:00,675 --> 01:23:05,665 And, you know, it boggles the mind to think how anybody thinks that's one system. 1317 01:23:06,225 --> 01:23:10,575 It's just, you know, it's a lot of parts distributed and still working together. 1318 01:23:11,245 --> 01:23:13,745 but they take forever to make a decision. 1319 01:23:14,145 --> 01:23:24,055 it includes Caesars going bankrupt, and the bankruptcy were two billionaires fighting over who got to split up part 1320 01:23:24,055 --> 01:23:29,373 of a $15 billion acquisition And both of them could afford to lose a billion 1321 01:23:29,373 --> 01:23:33,003 dollars you know, 'cause they wanna make other one hurt so they could get what… 1322 01:23:33,193 --> 01:23:38,873 They finally settled on something, and meanwhile, the public didn't know anything was going on. 1323 01:23:39,493 --> 01:23:43,053 And so I got that thinking and I used the empty spaces thinking. 1324 01:23:43,453 --> 01:23:48,483 And at that property where we were sitting talking about it, we were, out in the suburbs. 1325 01:23:48,493 --> 01:23:50,183 It was at an Einstein Bagel. 1326 01:23:50,743 --> 01:23:53,263 And I'm going like, I have some experience in this. 1327 01:23:53,413 --> 01:23:58,923 I've rented a commercial property before, converted some, and watched a lot of it being done." You know, and my 1328 01:23:58,933 --> 01:24:03,973 general knowledge as a human being says that, well, yeah, this Einstein Bagels, 1329 01:24:04,153 --> 01:24:08,153 all the fixtures and the seating and everything's owned by Einstein Bagels. 1330 01:24:08,793 --> 01:24:12,203 They take it out, though, they're still, the walls are in the right place. 1331 01:24:12,413 --> 01:24:16,103 The kitchen is where it is, regardless of what equipment's in the kitchen. 1332 01:24:16,453 --> 01:24:20,703 I would imagine there's more baking in an Einstein Bagels than a sandwich shop. 1333 01:24:21,023 --> 01:24:22,823 But, the sandwich shop is next door. 1334 01:24:23,093 --> 01:24:29,173 at any rate, all these buildings were, a U-shape, and so it's L when you got two coming together. 1335 01:24:29,383 --> 01:24:35,203 But it was designed to have an office building behind it, which wasn't thriving at the time. 1336 01:24:35,843 --> 01:24:44,203 And it left a pad with rebar coming out of the ground in two places where the buildings were supposed to come together. 1337 01:24:44,583 --> 01:24:48,543 Today, nothing's been built there, but it's fenced off and safe. 1338 01:24:49,323 --> 01:24:53,983 But at the time, somebody deciding whether or not what had to be done 1339 01:24:53,983 --> 01:24:57,503 with those lots could keep that property from closing for years. 1340 01:24:57,973 -->

01:24:59,003 It wasn't for sale. 1341 01:24:59,003 --> 01:24:59,883 I'm making it up. 1342 01:25:00,313 --> 01:25:03,343 But then my friend explained to me the key thing. 1343 01:25:04,093 --> 01:25:09,913 it can mean cutting down the time to get a property closed means they can go work on another property. 1344 01:25:10,353 --> 01:25:14,473 So somebody might go from six transactions a year to seven. 1345 01:25:15,153 --> 01:25:16,853 How much is that worth to a company? 1346 01:25:18,603 --> 01:25:20,883 And we went on to many other things. 1347 01:25:20,883 --> 01:25:22,443 Like I say, we never started a company. 1348 01:25:22,473 --> 01:25:31,583 But, I look at everything as being distributed has gotta be better, and we've gotta have every phone, every 1349 01:25:31,583 --> 01:25:38,523 building has to have some kinda history stored on it and what there is, and this idea of having to go to the county 1350 01:25:38,523 --> 01:25:41,683 and look up the plans and try to figure out what somebody did 30 years ago. 1351 01:25:41,873 --> 01:25:43,093 No, that complete history. 1352 01:25:43,553 --> 01:25:47,613 You know, it used to be a big problem, and then we got escrows where all the 1353 01:25:47,623 --> 01:25:51,723 documents were saved, the deed of trust, whatever happened and gets recorded. 1354 01:25:52,033 --> 01:25:56,693 I'm glad that they still have some systems in place, you know, resolve lawsuits or whatever. 1355 01:25:57,073 --> 01:26:02,873 But for the most part, if I'm buying a house, I should be able to know the complete history of that house. 1356 01:26:03,513 --> 01:26:07,983 Well, I live in a city where there was nothing here 50 years 1357 01:26:07,983 --> 01:26:12,103 ago . So every building has modern, chain of title like that. 1358 01:26:12,703 --> 01:26:17,723 And I think when we're able to do that, shouldn't we have a chain of title on our life? 1359 01:26:18,563 --> 01:26:18,983 You know? 1360 01:26:19,093 --> 01:26:25,033 They asked me, were you hospitalized before?" And before the bout on my back a couple years ago, it'd been 1361 01:26:25,033 --> 01:26:31,183 my whole life, but I couldn't say that because I was in the hospital overnight for a hernia when I was two. 1362 01:26:32,673 --> 01:26:32,983 Jonathan Thomas: Wow. 1363 01:26:33,423 --> 01:26:35,613 Warren Whitlock: And I have to say I was in the hospital. 1364 01:26:35,813 --> 01:26:36,573 Does it matter? 1365 01:26:36,973 --> 01:26:38,663 No, not to anybody but me. 1366 01:26:39,983 --> 01:26:42,893 But I can't say I wasn't, I'd never been hospitalized. 1367 01:26:43,603 --> 01:26:47,883 I was 67 and I said, "I haven't been hospitalized in the last 65 1368 01:26:47,883 --> 01:26:51,493 years." "Oh, okay, then it doesn't matter." But that's the structure. 1369 01:26:51,763 --> 01:26:52,033 You know? 1370 01:26:52,033 --> 01:26:57,553 It still matters that I have nine toes instead of 10 to me, maybe 1371 01:26:57,553 --> 01:27:01,163 to a doctor, but he doesn't need to take off my shoe to see that. 1372 01:27:01,163 --> 01:27:05,283 That should be in the records, and it should be my records that I'm carrying around. 1373 01:27:05,653 --> 01:27:11,983 So w- a movement that I would put with what you're doing is the idea that all this data belongs to the individual. 1374 01:27:12,353 --> 01:27:21,543 If it's sovereign data kept by me, now my negotiating with you is how much, how much money can you make getting me to 1375 01:27:21,543 --> 01:27:29,473 the right kind of services connection through your agents to where whether or not I, you know, of course I'll 1376 01:27:29,473 --> 01:27:35,963 get the app, and whether or not we're going to, make money back and forth over using the app doesn't matter. 1377 01:27:36,493 --> 01:27:41,643 it's a matter that we can then collectively work together due to something that hasn't been invented yet. 1378 01:27:42,263 --> 01:27:43,063 And so- 1379 01:27:43,593 --> 01:27:45,983 Jonathan Thomas: Well, as an example, you, said you're a diabetic. 1380 01:27:45,993 --> 01:27:47,603 You wear a CGM device. 1381 01:27:47,603 --> 01:27:55,853 You could actually help train the AI by uploading a facial scan- tagging your glucose measurement. 1382 01:27:57,163 --> 01:27:59,723 The AI is gonna learn more about you. 1383 01:27:59,753 --> 01:28:02,933 Now, you should be able to get rewarded for that. 1384 01:28:03,183 --> 01:28:03,723 Warren Whitlock: And I look 1385 01:28:03,843 --> 01:28:07,943 Jonathan Thomas: at like- Down the, down the line, as, as revenue comes 1386 01:28:07,943 --> 01:28:13,533 in from licensing the service or however we choose to monetize it- 1387 01:28:13,973 --> 01:28:14,413 Warren Whitlock: Right 1388 01:28:14,483 --> 01:28:20,243 … Jonathan Thomas: by using these crypto technologies, we'd be able to track that in the blockchain- 1389 01:28:20,253 --> 01:28:22,123 that's indelibly etched. 1390 01:28:22,353 --> 01:28:25,513 And you can prove that you own your data, and it just is seamless. 1391 01:28:25,553 --> 01:28:25,983 Warren Whitlock: Right. 1392 01:28:26,113 --> 01:28:30,873 the way I explain it to people is I walk into a doctor's office and I remember 1393 01:28:31,183 --> 01:28:35,443 that there was some getting a credit file on me 'cause they were opening credit. 1394 01:28:35,443 --> 01:28:39,363 Now it's all done by, you know, dental credit card or something like that. 1395 01:28:39,643 --> 01:28:43,423 So if you're gonna take time, so, you know, go in and get $10,000 1396 01:28:43,473 --> 01:28:46,593 worth of work done, we don't have to think about how we budget for it. 1397 01:28:46,923 --> 01:28:51,633 It's zero interest, it's several months, and we can go ahead and have the procedure done. 1398 01:28:52,193 --> 01:28:56,463 and they're a weird credit card company to deal with, but, you know, it's… 1399 01:28:58,033 --> 01:29:04,293 Like, they're always reporting me as using most of my credit, which changed the usage score on FICO. 1400

01:29:04,553 --> 01:29:07,123 And, yeah, so weird stuff like that. 1401 01:29:07,403 --> 01:29:11,963 But it's better than the old thing, which was they wanted my credit report, 1402 01:29:12,363 --> 01:29:16,383 and then they were gonna stick the nine pages, back when I had a short one. 1403 01:29:16,943 --> 01:29:20,013 They stick nine pages of credit report into a manila folder. 1404 01:29:20,853 --> 01:29:22,383 It's got my Social Security number. 1405 01:29:22,383 --> 01:29:23,473 It's got all my credit. 1406 01:29:23,723 --> 01:29:24,923 It's got home addresses. 1407 01:29:25,283 --> 01:29:27,723 It's got everything that you need to steal identity. 1408 01:29:28,363 --> 01:29:30,123 I don't wanna share that kind of stuff. 1409 01:29:30,773 --> 01:29:35,723 if you're my doctor, you need to know that whether or not I'm gonna pay my bill. 1410 01:29:36,223 --> 01:29:39,853 So getting the right insurance or the right, you know, billing, 1411 01:29:40,103 --> 01:29:42,833 is this person gonna rip me off, is something they need to know. 1412 01:29:42,833 --> 01:29:48,103 But I'll tell you, every time I have a problem, the dentist right now, I have a problem where there's a collection 1413 01:29:48,103 --> 01:29:55,327 agency trying to get $700 from me, and I go like wait a minute, I didn't see the dentist all of last year. 1414 01:29:56,117 --> 01:30:02,977 Right … everything I did at the, in January of last year used up my insurance for the year, and I go, "That's 1415 01:30:02,997 --> 01:30:07,547 fine. I'll go take another look next year." and so how did I get this bill? 1416 01:30:07,707 --> 01:30:08,327 So I call. 1417 01:30:08,357 --> 01:30:09,087 They don't know. 1418 01:30:09,667 --> 01:30:15,747 I go online to their site, I put in several messages, and then suddenly I'm hearing from a collection agency. 1419 01:30:16,327 --> 01:30:20,037 And guess why I haven't seen the dentist since January of last year. 1420 01:30:20,497 --> 01:30:21,777 I don't wanna deal with this. 1421 01:30:21,777 --> 01:30:26,337 I don't wanna go stand there, have them figure it out, fight with them over whether or not I owe them. 1422 01:30:26,667 --> 01:30:33,867 And I'm thinking ultimately paying them is easier than the torture it is on my brain, and it shouldn't be that way. 1423 01:30:34,447 --> 01:30:39,667 It should be like everything is done neat and tidy and we move on. 1424 01:30:40,137 --> 01:30:40,847 Jonathan Thomas: Exactly. 1425 01:30:41,197 --> 01:30:42,167 Warren Whitlock: and, yeah, 1426 01:30:42,167 --> 01:30:48,867 Jonathan Thomas: So how, how do we wrap this up neat and tidy and, and- Yeah … still stick together and, move forward? 1427 01:30:48,877 --> 01:30:50,657 You can share with your group. 1428 01:30:50,667 --> 01:30:51,867 I'll share with my group and- 1429 01:30:51,917 --> 01:30:56,757 Warren Whitlock: definitely we're gonna do that, and we're gonna talk again, so I'm gonna get the thing. 1430 01:30:56,767 --> 01:30:57,917 So, who knows? 1431 01:30:58,437 --> 01:31:00,637 maybe you need some connections that I have. 1432 01:31:00,637 --> 01:31:00,977 Excellent. 1433 01:31:00,977 --> 01:31:04,807 So we can get into a separate call on whether or not, there's anything that, 1434 01:31:04,867 --> 01:31:10,447 you need, but let's wind up and, probably unedited put this whole thing up. 1435 01:31:10,767 --> 01:31:14,367 somebody listening to the whole thing I'm not gonna count on. 1436 01:31:14,617 --> 01:31:20,787 But if they listen to the first five minutes… But for the rest of the world, we got, you know, way off 1437 01:31:20,787 --> 01:31:23,457 topic, and we're lucky if we're gonna get them to listen for 10 minutes. 1438 01:31:23,817 --> 01:31:24,997 But, that's okay. 1439 01:31:25,117 --> 01:31:30,817 They're gonna find out about your company, and you and me, and s- I hope it's gonna help them. 1440 01:31:30,817 --> 01:31:30,967 Maybe they'll 1441 01:31:30,967 --> 01:31:32,607 Jonathan Thomas: come away with some new idea 1442 01:31:32,657 --> 01:31:33,347 Warren Whitlock: changes- 1443 01:31:33,407 --> 01:31:33,937 Jonathan Thomas: changes the 1444 01:31:33,987 --> 01:31:40,067 Warren Whitlock: And I'm gonna start using your stuff and, we'll talk about how we might extend that, what else we could do. 1445 01:31:40,797 --> 01:31:41,007 Perfect. 1446 01:31:41,067 --> 01:31:44,677 and maybe I should, share some data publicly. 1447 01:31:44,877 --> 01:31:48,677 I don't think my face recognition data, it'd be helpful. 1448 01:31:49,077 --> 01:31:51,137 And, it's a little creepy to think about that. 1449 01:31:51,137 --> 01:31:56,767 But the fact that I'm doing it every day, and what it told me about, I'm gonna share that publicly too. 1450 01:31:57,377 --> 01:31:58,877 So that might be something. 1451 01:31:58,877 --> 01:32:04,007 And, again, as you're growing and trying to acquire market, I have lots of resources. 1452 01:32:04,467 --> 01:32:06,957 Excellent … how many people are using this right now? 1453 01:32:07,367 --> 01:32:08,027 Jonathan Thomas: Quite a few. 1454 01:32:08,657 --> 01:32:08,967 Warren Whitlock: Okay. 1455 01:32:09,067 --> 01:32:09,307 Good. 1456 01:32:09,727 --> 01:32:11,497 And it is available and out? 1457 01:32:12,287 --> 01:32:13,437 Jonathan Thomas: it is available, yeah. 1458 01:32:13,527 --> 01:32:13,982 we're- It's not 1459 01:32:13,982 --> 01:32:14,117 Warren Whitlock: beta … we're 1460 01:32:14,117 --> 01:32:17,337 Jonathan Thomas: releasing a new version in the next three weeks or so, 1461 01:32:17,347 --> 01:32:17,817 Warren Whitlock: Great. 1462 01:32:18,897 --> 01:32:21,657 I will sign up today, and we'll get going on that. 1463 01:32:22,027 --> 01:32:22,587 Jonathan Thomas: Perfect. 1464 01:32:23,257 --> 01:32:23,667 Warren Whitlock: Great. 1465 01:32:24,047 --> 01:32:27,457 again, let's get your website and how to find you. 1466 01:32:27,847 --> 01:32:29,127 I know you're JT now. 1467 01:32:30,687 --> 01:32:33,237 Jonathan Thomas: Website is algomash.com. 1468 01:32:33,467 --> 01:32:34,027 Warren Whitlock: Okay. 1469 01:32:34,027 --> 01:32:35,377 A-L-G-O- A-L-G-O 1470 01:32:35,407 --> 01:32:37,327 … Jonathan Thomas: M-A-S-H.com. 1471 01:32:37,407 --> 01:32:37,747 Warren Whitlock: Okay. 1472 01:32:37,797 --> 01:32:39,227 AlgoMash, easy enough. 1473 01:32:39,597 --> 01:32:42,237 I'll make sure that gets in show notes and tweets and stuff. 1474 01:32:42,607 --> 01:32:42,817 Jonathan Thomas: Perfect. 1475 01:32:42,827 --> 01:32:44,667 Warren Whitlock: And, we'll let people know about it. 1476 01:32:44,707 --> 01:32:48,087 And if they need to contact you, you wanna- 1477 01:32:49,547 --> 01:32:51,227 Jonathan Thomas: JT@algomash.com 1478 01:32:51,427 --> 01:32:52,197 Warren Whitlock: Okay, great. 1479 01:32:52,517 --> 01:32:52,577 Simple. 1480 01:32:52,577 --> 01:32:54,167 His email's out in the open. 1481 01:32:54,407 --> 01:32:58,117 So much for privacy, less flooding with good wishers. 1482 01:32:58,867 --> 01:32:59,107 Excellent. 1483 01:32:59,107 --> 01:33:00,017 Only positive stuff. 1484 01:33:00,857 --> 01:33:01,527 Jonathan Thomas: Okay. 1485 01:33:01,777 --> 01:33:05,007 Warren Whitlock: We want those to come on in, 'cause there'll be some point. 1486 01:33:05,157 --> 01:33:10,937 It may not be AlgoMash, but at some point, JT's gonna come out with something that he's gonna let us 1487 01:33:10,937 --> 01:33:14,617 invest a few million dollars, turn that into a few billion dollars. 1488 01:33:15,437 --> 01:33:17,367 This is not investment advice. 1489 01:33:17,497 --> 01:33:21,497 You've heard my story enough to know I'm not the guy to give investment advice. 1490 01:33:21,517 --> 01:33:22,387 Jonathan Thomas: Nor am I. 1491 01:33:22,817 --> 01:33:27,677 Warren Whitlock: I can tell you all sorts of things about where the technology's going and what kind of 1492 01:33:27,677 --> 01:33:32,907 things I'm looking to invest, mostly my time, and where I'm gonna spend. 1493 01:33:32,907 --> 01:33:39,107 I have limited time, only another 80 years on this planet, and, I wanna use that time well. 1494 01:33:39,337 --> 01:33:43,727 And every project I look at is something where, how can this go 100X? 1495 01:33:44,517 --> 01:33:44,717 Jonathan Thomas: Exactly. 1496 01:33:44,787 --> 01:33:48,367 Warren Whitlock: and boy, we could talk for hours about all those kind of thing. 1497 01:33:48,957 --> 01:33:50,727 Thanks for enduring a few stories. 1498 01:33:50,977 --> 01:33:54,567 And, now they're getting fed into my AI, so they may reappear. 1499 01:33:54,627 --> 01:33:57,007 Jonathan Thomas: Thank you, Warren, for having me on as a guest. 1500 01:33:57,007 --> 01:33:58,037 I really appreciate it. 1501 01:33:58,087 --> 01:33:58,527 Warren Whitlock: Great. 1502 01:33:58,657 --> 01:33:59,747 Let's wrap up there. 1503 01:34:00,157 --> 01:34:00,787 Jonathan Thomas: Okay. 1504 01:34:01,437 --> 01:34:02,217 Cheers, mate.