Full Transcript for Distortion Analysis - Episode 10

Allen. 00:04:28.720 --> 00:04:30.079 He actually saw Gigi Allen. 00:04:30.160 --> 00:04:30.480 Oh my god. 00:04:30.720 --> 00:04:36.319 He saw Gigi Allen and he said, uh, this guy like goes crazy. 00:04:36.480 --> 00:04:44.959 He jumps off the stage, he starts punching people, um, he's you know, cuts himself and then smears himself with blood and all kinds of body fluids. 00:04:45.120 --> 00:04:46.800 And uh I'm like, you what? 00:04:47.360 --> 00:04:49.279 You know, I'd never heard of anything like that. 00:04:49.360 --> 00:04:58.560 And he goes, uh I'm like, I thought you were gonna tell me that he was like, you know, when you said like like uh like up this guy was a punk rocker, I thought you were gonna talk about like like Sid Vicious. 00:04:58.639 --> 00:05:01.519 He goes, Oh no, no, this guy was not like Sid Vicious. 00:05:01.759 --> 00:05:10.720 He said, uh, I watched him pull down his shorts, take a shit on the floor, and then pick up his shit and start flinging it at people. 00:05:10.879 --> 00:05:12.079 Oh, I've already did that, yeah. 00:05:12.240 --> 00:05:17.279 And he said, That was the only time in my life where I felt truly afraid. 00:05:17.600 --> 00:05:22.720 Wow, no kidding that show because it was so unpredictable and out of control. 00:05:23.120 --> 00:05:23.759 Yeah. 00:05:24.160 --> 00:05:25.759 So have you been to a show like that? 00:05:25.920 --> 00:05:28.560 Did you go to a show where it was just like that out of control? 00:05:29.120 --> 00:05:32.079 No, I mean I've seen you know, so let's talk about it. 00:05:32.399 --> 00:05:36.800 There's a difference between the shock of staged theatrics, right? 00:05:36.959 --> 00:05:40.480 Where they're following kind of like a pre-ordered script. 00:05:40.720 --> 00:05:44.879 Yes, like the example that I'm thinking of is when I saw exhumed last year. 00:05:45.120 --> 00:05:45.519 Oh, okay. 00:05:45.680 --> 00:05:47.120 What did they what did they do? 00:05:47.360 --> 00:05:54.000 They they have a little bit that they do where the guitarist uh goes through a mock execution of the heading. 00:05:54.240 --> 00:05:54.560 Oh. 00:05:54.879 --> 00:06:02.959 So they they have a little guillotine that they have up there, and he puts his head through, and the blade comes down and the head falls into a basket. 00:06:03.040 --> 00:06:05.439 And you know, I mean they've rehearsed it a million times. 00:06:05.920 --> 00:06:07.839 Does it look does it look cool or does it look realistic? 00:06:08.160 --> 00:06:09.839 Oh yeah, no, it doesn't look cheesy at all. 00:06:10.399 --> 00:06:11.120 Okay, wow. 00:06:11.360 --> 00:06:28.480 And and then um the guy the there's there's they have like this uh this guy, this mad scientist, mad doctor with uh you know medical scrubs and a mask, and he's constantly like looking at you and he would like pick up the head and swing it around and all kinds of you know, everybody would get drenched in blood. 00:06:28.639 --> 00:06:29.040 Uh-huh. 00:06:29.199 --> 00:06:31.680 Um, you know, and I I I was laughing the whole time. 00:06:31.920 --> 00:06:34.079 I got hit with the blood, but it was still fun. 00:06:34.319 --> 00:06:37.600 I'm guessing they got some of that from Alice Cooper because Alice Cooper used to do that. 00:06:37.759 --> 00:06:38.720 That's right, right. 00:06:38.959 --> 00:06:42.959 So, you know, there's a lot of stage theatrics, and I was gonna bring him up, right? 00:06:43.120 --> 00:06:45.600 Alice Cooper also like Kiss. 00:06:46.319 --> 00:06:46.959 Yeah. 00:06:47.279 --> 00:06:51.279 Um I don't know that I would put Ozzy in that. 00:06:52.079 --> 00:06:54.319 No, yeah, no, I don't know. 00:06:54.480 --> 00:06:57.040 Like I yeah, I don't know about that. 00:06:57.120 --> 00:06:59.120 He didn't he never seemed to go that over the top. 00:06:59.199 --> 00:07:07.600 It was like there's stage props and stuff, but he never he never, I don't think, got too involved in theatrics himself, like costumes and stuff a little bit, maybe, but nothing like too crazy. 00:07:07.839 --> 00:07:10.079 Well, I was thinking about the bat episode, the interesting thing. 00:07:10.240 --> 00:07:20.240 Yeah, the bat, yeah, yeah, the bat episode, but yeah, but that was not scripted, and that's why I don't think that he belongs in that group of no, I wouldn't no, I wouldn't categorize him in that group either. 00:07:20.399 --> 00:07:23.040 You know who I would put in the category early on would be Bowie. 00:07:23.920 --> 00:07:24.720 Oh, yeah. 00:07:25.040 --> 00:07:29.920 Because I mean Bowie when he yeah, when he came out as Ziggy Stardust, people were like, what the fuck is that? 00:07:30.000 --> 00:07:41.600 And then but it was this character, and it was like one of the first times that you know somebody took it to that level of theatricality, but not the way I didn't think, but but he didn't I never thought he was going for shock though. 00:07:41.680 --> 00:07:43.439 I always thought he was going for art. 00:07:43.759 --> 00:07:45.120 Yeah, I would agree with that. 00:07:45.279 --> 00:07:45.839 You know what I mean? 00:07:45.920 --> 00:07:48.480 So I don't think he was trying to shock anyone any more than anyone. 00:07:48.800 --> 00:07:49.360 No, I don't think so. 00:07:49.439 --> 00:07:51.279 I think that's just was his artistic vision. 00:07:51.439 --> 00:07:51.680 Yeah. 00:07:51.839 --> 00:08:05.360 So now going back to the shock value, do you think there's uh value in that, or do you think it diminishes the band's I I'm sure it depends on the band, but overall, do you think it's something it takes away or do you think it's something that adds? 00:08:07.120 --> 00:08:09.759 First of all, it it totally depends on the band. 00:08:09.920 --> 00:08:10.240 Right. 00:08:10.800 --> 00:08:19.759 Uh you know, you can't you can't put a Gigi Allen performance on the same shelf as Alice Cooper. 00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:20.160 Right. 00:08:20.399 --> 00:08:21.600 It just isn't the same. 00:08:22.000 --> 00:08:29.600

Um because with Gigi Allen you felt a sense of real danger being around true. 00:08:30.800 --> 00:08:33.039 Well, also let's let's mine into that for a second. 00:08:33.279 --> 00:08:40.480 Do you think if Gigi Allen didn't do that, would he get would his music been enough to carry his career? 00:08:41.200 --> 00:08:42.799 Oh, that's a good way of framing it. 00:08:43.200 --> 00:08:43.840 You know what I'm saying? 00:08:44.080 --> 00:09:01.279 Like take out the shock, leaving the music just like if he was just like a regular performing kind of guy without scaring shit on himself and punching people in the audience, would he have still like let's say even just as a punk artist, would he have still had the same carried the same weight or had the same legend or drew the same amount of people? 00:09:01.519 --> 00:09:03.200 Do you think that would have happened or no? 00:09:05.519 --> 00:09:17.759 I I th I don't think he would have been less popular because his music and his lyrics were were actually quite um you know, just just angry. 00:09:18.799 --> 00:09:26.159 Um I think he, you know, in true punk fashion, he poked fun at, you know, uh uh orderly society. 00:09:26.320 --> 00:09:31.519 And uh, you know, uh just look at the song titles of offense. 00:09:32.000 --> 00:09:40.639 But you know, if you took away the the craziness aspect of it, you'd still have a lot of people going to those shows because he was a true punk. 00:09:40.799 --> 00:09:48.960 If he never got the stage and he all he did was, you know, shake his fist while he was going nuts on stage by himself and it didn't disrobe or anything like that. 00:09:49.039 --> 00:09:52.480 Uh people would still say, Man, he's fucking great. 00:09:52.639 --> 00:09:54.879 Okay, he's fucking great at what he does. 00:09:55.200 --> 00:10:04.320 But I know that there's at least a section of those fans that went specifically to see the the craziness for the chaos, just to see what happened. 00:10:04.480 --> 00:10:04.639 Yeah. 00:10:04.960 --> 00:10:07.759 Because there's a lot of people in society that vibe off of that shit. 00:10:07.840 --> 00:10:16.000 Oh, they vibe off of chaos, they vibe off of instability and violence, yeah, and it just tickles a funny bone in them that you wouldn't get at a different show. 00:10:16.240 --> 00:10:16.639 Oh, yeah. 00:10:16.720 --> 00:10:20.320 Well, no, I mean, even to the point where they don't care if the show gets shut down. 00:10:20.559 --> 00:10:30.000 Because I've been I I've I was I've been to shows where they got kind of crazy, and the the the worst show I was ever at where uh like SWAT team rag gear showed up. 00:10:30.080 --> 00:10:31.600 I mean, like oh shit, yeah. 00:10:31.759 --> 00:10:35.919 It was in Allentown, it was a Pungent Stench and Acid Bass show. 00:10:36.159 --> 00:10:36.720 No shit. 00:10:36.799 --> 00:10:45.759 Well and Pungent Stench was head headlining, and right in the middle of their set, well, actually, just at the beginning of their set,

a bunch of skinheads showed up. 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:59.600 Oh they just kind of like and and what and what the shitty part is nobody noticed them right away because they kind of like showed up in the middle of the of the show and they kind of like slowly kind of weaved themselves themselves into the crowd, so they spread out across the whole crowd. 00:10:59.679 --> 00:11:07.200 We didn't nobody knew, and then all of a sudden, right in the middle of Pungeon's set, they went fucking crazy and then started like they basically started a riot. 00:11:07.360 --> 00:11:13.919 What to the point where the set got shut down, the cops showed up in riot gear, the whole thing was cleared out. 00:11:14.080 --> 00:11:14.720 I mean, yeah. 00:11:15.519 --> 00:11:16.000 It was like that. 00:11:16.080 --> 00:11:18.000 So they Pungeon never finished the set. 00:11:18.240 --> 00:11:21.840 Damn, but yeah, so but that's but that's but they were there to soak chaos. 00:11:21.919 --> 00:11:23.200 I mean, that's what they were there for. 00:11:23.360 --> 00:11:24.639 Yeah, that's fucking bullshit. 00:11:24.879 --> 00:11:25.360 That's all it was. 00:11:25.440 --> 00:11:25.840 That's all it was. 00:11:25.919 --> 00:11:26.799 That's all they gave a shit about. 00:11:26.960 --> 00:11:30.320 Just show imagine flying from all the way from fucking Austria, right? 00:11:30.399 --> 00:11:30.639 Exactly. 00:11:32.879 --> 00:11:34.080 I know, so yeah, Punch and St. 00:11:34.559 --> 00:11:39.919 Like they they they held in as long as they could, but they played maybe four or five songs, and then that was it, they were done. 00:11:40.080 --> 00:11:40.240 Wow. 00:11:40.799 --> 00:11:43.279 Over, then everybody's outside, and the cops were there, whatever. 00:11:43.440 --> 00:11:45.360 So yeah, it was a it was a freaking mess. 00:11:45.440 --> 00:11:51.759 But yeah, there there are people like that, they just show up to fuck shit up and they just want you know, chaos, and that's it. 00:11:51.919 --> 00:11:56.480 And what kills me is they pay to do that, they pay to come in to cause that mess. 00:11:56.639 --> 00:12:01.440 So it's just like it costs money, and then you make the effort to get there, and then you know, and that's what they want to do. 00:12:01.519 --> 00:12:04.159 Yeah, it's just doesn't matter, it's in furtherance of that goal. 00:12:04.320 --> 00:12:05.679 Yeah, it makes no sense. 00:12:06.000 --> 00:12:10.480 So now what were some of your favorite shock bands and why? 00:12:13.679 --> 00:12:20.960 Uh I was always honestly more into the music than I was into any kind of shock performances. 00:12:21.519 --> 00:12:24.159 There's different levels of theatricality, right? 00:12:24.399 --> 00:12:35.360 So when I went to see AC DC, I was looking forward to Angus's solo with that he just takes just by himself where he walks out into the middle of the crowd and going nuts and shit. 00:12:36.080 --> 00:12:43.279 Um yeah, I mean, I don't know that I really went to go see anybody

for the shock value of it. 00:12:43.360 --> 00:12:49.200 Even even the the heaviest, fastest bands I ever saw, I didn't go for the shock value of it. 00:12:49.279 --> 00:12:55.120 Even seeing Slayer, yeah, yeah, you know, and and they're like they're pretty fucking intense, man. 00:12:55.279 --> 00:12:56.080 Oh yeah. 00:12:56.399 --> 00:13:03.279 But part of what makes their performances so nuts, or what did was they're they're fans, yeah, big time. 00:13:03.600 --> 00:13:06.559 They're fans crazy threw gasoline onto that fire. 00:13:06.720 --> 00:13:08.559 Yeah, big time, you know. 00:13:08.720 --> 00:13:15.759 Um, but yeah, I don't really I don't really know that I have bands that I've seen that I want to go see because of. 00:13:15.919 --> 00:13:21.759 I knew what was gonna happen at the exhumed show because I cheated a little bit and I watched a former show on YouTube. 00:13:22.080 --> 00:13:22.559 Okay, gotcha. 00:13:22.720 --> 00:13:25.759 And I said, Oh, okay, well, maybe I won't be up close to the stage. 00:13:25.840 --> 00:13:27.519 I was up close to the fucking stage. 00:13:28.080 --> 00:13:29.679 And wrenched by the blood. 00:13:29.759 --> 00:13:34.879 And I was like, man, if I get pulled over going home tonight, I get a lot explaining to do. 00:13:35.200 --> 00:13:37.039 It's probably got some splaining. 00:13:37.679 --> 00:13:39.440 Probably gonna take me a little longer to get home. 00:13:39.600 --> 00:13:44.639 So uh have you ever seen Guar Live? 00:13:45.039 --> 00:13:47.360 No, actually, well, you've never seen Guar. 00:13:47.600 --> 00:13:53.919 Oh no, they played they played one of the Milwaukee Metal Fests that we went to. 00:13:54.159 --> 00:13:54.480 Okay. 00:13:54.639 --> 00:14:11.759 I don't remember it might have been the year that we played the Metal Fest, which was 96, and they must have played on Saturday night, and we played on Friday, and I don't know how long we stayed around on on Saturday, I don't remember. 00:14:12.000 --> 00:14:14.960 Okay, yeah, but uh yeah, I think that was like the only chance I got to see them. 00:14:15.039 --> 00:14:15.679 Have you ever seen them? 00:14:15.840 --> 00:14:16.799 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:14:16.879 --> 00:14:17.440 I've seen them. 00:14:17.600 --> 00:14:22.720 Um, like uh I saw him in Lancaster, Pennsylvania at the at this club called the Chameleon. 00:14:22.799 --> 00:14:26.799 And um, yeah, it was like uh uh I got punched right in the face in the pit. 00:14:27.039 --> 00:14:27.600 Oh shit. 00:14:27.840 --> 00:14:28.559 Yeah, that sucked. 00:14:28.720 --> 00:14:29.919 And then and you get wet. 00:14:30.000 --> 00:14:32.000 No matter where you are, you're gonna get wet at a GWAR show. 00:14:32.080 --> 00:14:32.159 Right. 00:14:32.320 --> 00:14:38.799 So you don't wear, you know, you never wear people wear white shirts intentionally to come out of it with almost like a tie-dye thing when they by the time they get out of it. 00:14:38.960 --> 00:14:43.600 So because you're getting hit with all kinds of I don't even know what the liquids are, I have no idea what they are. 00:14:43.919 --> 00:14:45.120 So no. 00:14:46.559 --> 00:14:48.000 Well that was a bit salty. 00:14:49.279 --> 00:15:09.440 Yeah, uh better to not ask questions, just don't so but Guar was one of the reasons why I chose uh I wanted to go into the subject because they got in trouble recently with the conservative crowd, because one of the things that they've been doing on their on their recent tours is they've been staging these executions of Trump and Elon Musk on stage. 00:15:09.759 --> 00:15:14.159 Oh, I yeah, yeah, where they have somebody come out and like a character and then they kill them on the stage. 00:15:14.320 --> 00:15:19.679 Now, the the the MAGA crowd and the conservatives are all bent out of shape about this, and they're going, how can they do this? 00:15:19.759 --> 00:15:20.480 and blah blah blah. 00:15:20.639 --> 00:15:23.440 But what they don't realize is Guar's been doing this. 00:15:23.600 --> 00:15:26.159 This is not like it's not new just because of Trump. 00:15:26.240 --> 00:15:28.480 They did this all the other past presidents, too. 00:15:28.639 --> 00:15:40.480 Oh, so it's not something that's new, it's just that it's just now it's gotten a lot of attention because of the recent like conservative again, you know, uh uh you know attention they got on this, and guar's just kind of like me, you know, they don't give really really give a shit. 00:15:40.639 --> 00:15:44.080 But it's but it's interesting that they got some national coverage out of this, yeah. 00:15:44.159 --> 00:15:47.840 So so it's definitely helping their you know their their uh their PR bit. 00:15:48.080 --> 00:15:53.840 So sure, but but they're but they're also have been making political statements like that for a while, and it's part of what they do. 00:15:53.919 --> 00:16:02.480 But I don't know, I I like their shows, I think they're fun to watch, they're very cartoony, but they're also like one of those bands that you kind of go for the theatricality. 00:16:02.720 --> 00:16:03.039 Exactly. 00:16:03.440 --> 00:16:08.799 Music's don't get me wrong, music's great too, but they're definitely something you're anticipating, like I gotta see this show. 00:16:09.039 --> 00:16:12.399 Yeah, yeah, and that their music is actually not bad. 00:16:12.639 --> 00:16:14.000 No, it's really not, yeah. 00:16:14.159 --> 00:16:18.480 And they're they're very good at playing it live with those hugely ridiculous costumes on. 00:16:18.639 --> 00:16:19.679 I don't know how they do that. 00:16:19.840 --> 00:16:23.120 Oh my god, and I've seen I've solved them live and they were tight, man. 00:16:23.200 --> 00:16:27.120 Yeah, and and I don't know how they can even see their freaking guitars with those big helmets and shit on. 00:16:27.360 --> 00:16:30.320 They're probably wet half the time from all the shit that's spraying up there. 00:16:30.559 --> 00:16:33.440 So between the wet

and the costumes, everything else, man. 00:16:33.600 --> 00:16:39.759 Yeah, so you gotta, yeah, you gotta give it to those guys for really um, you know, for really being able to hang in there with all that shit. 00:16:39.919 --> 00:16:50.480 So there's no way that anybody can make the case that they they need should be forced to stop the mock executions because it's you know, last time I checked, it's free country. 00:16:50.639 --> 00:16:52.159 It's parody, so they can do it. 00:16:52.240 --> 00:16:53.039 Yeah, that's right. 00:16:53.120 --> 00:16:54.559 Yeah, it's parody, right? 00:16:54.799 --> 00:16:56.480 Exactly, because that's that's the fine line. 00:16:56.559 --> 00:17:00.720 If they were trying to stage it like it was a real thing, then they can get in trouble for threatening the president. 00:17:00.879 --> 00:17:03.919 But the fact that it's all parody and and fucking look at them, you know what I mean? 00:17:04.000 --> 00:17:07.839 So it's not like they don't look like who's gonna take that seriously, exactly. 00:17:08.000 --> 00:17:13.119 I just would wish it would be great if they got sued and then show up in costume in court. 00:17:13.359 --> 00:17:16.319 Oh, how amazing would that be? 00:17:16.559 --> 00:17:20.400 That would be like the fucking tip of gore 2.0, right? 00:17:20.640 --> 00:17:21.599 Totally, 100%. 00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:23.279 Yeah, absolutely. 00:17:23.519 --> 00:17:31.039 Um, what was the most shocking thing you've ever seen at a show where you were kind of like, damn, I can't believe that just happened. 00:17:31.359 --> 00:18:00.559 Oh actually, it was um we're watching body count play, and it back in Milwaukee, I don't remember what year, and my uh girl I was dating at the time and I was standing kind of about halfway back in the crowd, and that this the stage had over it um the lighting structure of the two towers, the two light towers, and then the beam, you know, the thing going across the top. 00:18:00.720 --> 00:18:01.039 Yeah. 00:18:01.519 --> 00:18:14.960 And somehow I th I find this, you know, we're going back like 30 fucking years, but if I remember correctly, there were people climbing on those towers, and so the towers started to tip back towards the crowd. 00:18:15.119 --> 00:18:23.839 Oh and a bunch of people rushed the the the two sides of the you know where it was coming gonna hit the fucking crowd. 00:18:24.160 --> 00:18:29.359 And Ice T and this this caused me to have so much fucking respect for him. 00:18:29.519 --> 00:18:32.400 He instantly launched into pep rally mode. 00:18:32.559 --> 00:18:37.680 They stopped the music and he was like, get your fucking backs into it, hold that and push it back up. 00:18:37.759 --> 00:18:40.240 That's it, you got it, push that thing back up. 00:18:40.559 --> 00:18:42.160 And uh they did. 00:18:42.319 --> 00:18:57.680 I, you know, there were I mean, there must have been like dozens of dozens of people pushing it back up shit, and so finally they they got one of the light gaffer people or whatever they call them to climb up to the top and actually connect it, you know, like tied up with rope to the ceiling so it wouldn't do that again. 00:18:57.839 --> 00:19:03.279 Whoa, but I looked at the group the girl I was with, I was like, I ain't never seen nothing like that before. 00:19:04.720 --> 00:19:06.640 You always watch people get fucking smushed. 00:19:06.799 --> 00:19:07.759 I know that's crazy. 00:19:07.920 --> 00:19:12.960 Oh my god, that's awesome that he stopped in the middle and just is like, all right, we gotta fix this thing. 00:19:13.119 --> 00:19:14.480 So and then that's what they did. 00:19:14.720 --> 00:19:15.839 He was very inspirational. 00:19:16.000 --> 00:19:16.720 I remember that. 00:19:16.880 --> 00:19:21.039 And I say, That that that guy's a good dude. 00:19:21.279 --> 00:19:21.920 That's awesome. 00:19:22.000 --> 00:19:23.599 Wow, that's yeah, that's that's intense. 00:19:23.680 --> 00:19:28.079 Yeah, that's and if you think about it, that's how Curtis Mayfield got paralyzed. 00:19:28.319 --> 00:19:30.079 Oh, yeah, I forgot all about that. 00:19:30.240 --> 00:19:35.039 This was like 1998 or something, yeah, yeah. 00:19:35.279 --> 00:19:39.519 But I think that he got hit by uh like the lighting on stage and it paralyzed him. 00:19:39.759 --> 00:19:40.480 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:19:40.720 --> 00:19:42.799 Lived for a few more years and then uh that's right. 00:19:43.359 --> 00:19:44.160 I forgot all about that. 00:19:44.319 --> 00:19:48.400 Yeah, I mean, those kind of accidents can happen, so that would be shocking to witness live. 00:19:48.640 --> 00:19:49.440 Yeah, yeah. 00:19:49.599 --> 00:20:01.039 Yeah, well, the uh the only other thing I could think of is like it was actually at a Grateful Dead show, and the people who followed this podcast that are my friends, they've heard me say this story several times. 00:20:01.200 --> 00:20:04.880 It was the year in 1995 when there was a riot that broke out. 00:20:05.119 --> 00:20:14.480 It was the show at Deer Creek in Indianapolis, and there's a wooden fence that goes up around the the the back part of the the field. 00:20:14.559 --> 00:20:21.119 So uh you know the thing about dead shows, it's like most of most of the people are there to just do tailgating, uh hang out in the parking lot. 00:20:21.839 --> 00:20:23.119 Do acid in the parking lot, yeah. 00:20:23.279 --> 00:20:23.759 Yeah, yeah. 00:20:24.240 --> 00:20:32.000 Um and so that was what we were doing that particular year because we couldn't get no tickets and walking around. 00:20:32.319 --> 00:20:51.039 And it's it's crazy because I was I was walking with a buddy of mine that uh had driven out from New York and we're what he's he's carrying a fucking loaf of bread and a thing of American cheese, and he's like, I gotta find someone that'll make me let me make a grilled cheese sandwich. 00:20:51.200 --> 00:20:54.319 And I'm like, man, where the fuck are you gonna make a

grilled cheese sandwich at? 00:20:54.400 --> 00:20:56.000 We're at a Grateful Dead show. 00:20:56.319 --> 00:21:09.359 And all of a sudden he goes, Oh, look, that dude over there has got a toaster, and we go walking over to this dude, and the guy who owned the toaster was another friend of mine from a different part of New York, and I looked at him like, Josh? 00:21:09.680 --> 00:21:11.200 And he goes, William. 00:21:11.920 --> 00:21:15.759 So for the next 10, 15 minutes, we were laughing and making grilled cheese sandwiches. 00:21:16.000 --> 00:21:17.359 Why did he have a toaster? 00:21:17.519 --> 00:21:20.319 I he was making food and selling food. 00:21:20.799 --> 00:21:26.000 So, you know, my my buddy was like, you know, hey man, do you mind if I use that for like two minutes to make a sandwich? 00:21:26.240 --> 00:21:27.519 Sure, man, go ahead. 00:21:27.839 --> 00:21:28.880 It's pretty fun. 00:21:29.200 --> 00:21:41.839 So, like 10, 15 minutes later, we're standing there, and all of a sudden I hear I see people start running, like full speed running, and I start to hear people screaming, like, the fence is down, the fence is down. 00:21:42.240 --> 00:21:43.200 And I was like, what? 00:21:43.519 --> 00:21:55.039 And I could see off in the distance if like the the ground went up to like a hill, which you know, the the the whole stage area was surrounded by this kind of hill, maybe 25 feet tall or whatever. 00:21:55.119 --> 00:21:59.759 And so people were running up the side of this hill, and they had knocked down a huge portion of the fence. 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:03.039 So that they could get into the the general admission area. 00:22:03.279 --> 00:22:03.839 Oh, wow. 00:22:04.079 --> 00:22:05.359 You know, with the the the the lawn. 00:22:05.599 --> 00:22:09.039 The lawn yeah yeah yeah behind where all the seating was, right? 00:22:09.200 --> 00:22:09.680 Right, right. 00:22:09.920 --> 00:22:12.960 And so I took off running. 00:22:13.839 --> 00:22:17.119 I'm gonna go fucking go in because I'm gonna fucking go in, right? 00:22:17.200 --> 00:22:22.240 So by the time I got up there, the cops started showing up. 00:22:22.400 --> 00:22:29.279 Oh and they started shooting tear gas at everybody and it was it got really nasty, man. 00:22:29.440 --> 00:22:31.599 It was bright I've ever been in. 00:22:31.759 --> 00:22:35.599 The only one I ever want to be in, you don't want to be in one of those fucking because there's no rules. 00:22:35.839 --> 00:22:36.960 Yeah, right, right. 00:22:37.200 --> 00:22:48.400 So uh, but I remember standing there and I lost track, I lost count of how many cop cars were turning into the parking lots from the main road after like 60. 00:22:48.720 --> 00:22:49.599 Holy shit. 00:22:50.160 --> 00:22:53.359 It was a veritable army of police that showed up for that. 00:22:53.680 --> 00:22:57.279 So I very quickly left that area. 00:22:57.680 --> 00:22:59.440 But yeah, that was probably the craziest thing. 00:22:59.519 --> 00:23:01.599 And that wasn't it, that wasn't a metal show at all. 00:23:01.759 --> 00:23:03.519 That's not did they even play? 00:23:03.759 --> 00:23:05.279 Oh, yeah, they were in the middle of the concert. 00:23:05.359 --> 00:23:06.400 Oh, they were in the middle of the concert. 00:23:06.480 --> 00:23:08.319 Okay, I just wasn't sure if they were even gotten to that part. 00:23:08.480 --> 00:23:10.799 Wow, Jesus Christ, that sounds nuts. 00:23:10.960 --> 00:23:11.440 Holy shit. 00:23:11.680 --> 00:23:14.559 I guess people found like a weak spot in the fence and pushed it down. 00:23:14.720 --> 00:23:24.000 It's on YouTube if you if you Google uh Grateful Dead concert uh riot uh Indianapolis, uh Deer Deer Creek. 00:23:24.160 --> 00:23:25.920 I'm gonna look that up 1995. 00:23:26.160 --> 00:23:30.960 I think you know, yeah, there's several like old newscasts of it because we watched it about a year ago. 00:23:31.039 --> 00:23:31.200 Wow. 00:23:31.440 --> 00:23:32.640 I said, Oh man, I was there. 00:23:32.720 --> 00:23:33.680 That was fucking crazy. 00:23:33.839 --> 00:23:34.880 That's nuts, man. 00:23:34.960 --> 00:23:36.079 Wow, that's wild. 00:23:36.319 --> 00:23:40.640 Um well mine is um My Crazy. 00:23:41.200 --> 00:23:47.759 Yeah, well, my craziest event, and I've seen like black metal bands like Mayhem perform with like severed pig's heads on stage and shit. 00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:56.799 Oh so I've seen stuff like that, but um no, the one that stands out is actually not a concert, it was a it was a music conference in Philadelphia. 00:23:56.880 --> 00:24:02.240 There's this uh music conference in Philly called the Philadelphia Music Conference, it was in the 90s. 00:24:02.480 --> 00:24:04.960 So, and I used to help uh work on that conference. 00:24:05.039 --> 00:24:10.640 I helped uh coordinate a little bit, I helped uh set up a heavy metal lunch, and I was involved as a volunteer and stuff like that. 00:24:10.799 --> 00:24:18.799 And anyway, I was attending this one event about it was actually about shock rock bands, so it was kind of like this event, kind of like about the talk topic of what we're talking about. 00:24:18.960 --> 00:24:25.920 And on the dais, they had some journalists, a dude from Spin, uh, there's a dude from uh I think Rolling Stone was there. 00:24:26.079 --> 00:24:38.240 So they had these different magazines that were up there, and then they had a couple bands, and among the bands was uh was Merle, the uh the uh uh brother of Gigi Allen from the Murder Junkies. 00:24:38.400 --> 00:24:39.200 Interesting now. 00:24:39.279 --> 00:24:45.039 At this point, Gigi was already dead, so this was just the murder junkies still traveling on as the murder junkies. 00:24:45.200 --> 00:25:12.000 Yeah, so they had this, they were talking to them, and Merle was sitting up there, and uh, I believe his guitarist or bass player somebody was up there with him, and they got into this sort of discussion well uh discussion debate, I guess, or

fight is what I've devolved into with the with the spin guy, the spin magazine guy, and there's some you know, some disagreement about you know just the validity of what they were doing and whether it was real you know art or not, or whatever the hell it was. 00:25:12.160 --> 00:25:20.960 And they got in this whole big thing, and so uh basically what Merle did was at one point he stopped this sort of debate that they were doing. 00:25:21.200 --> 00:25:28.480 Him and the guitarist, uh the other guitarist that was there, they stood up and they signaled the the drummer who was in the audience to come up with them to the stage. 00:25:29.119 --> 00:25:37.200 Now the guitarist, or I'm sorry, the drummer walks up, he's wearing uh like sort of like a dog collar, and he's completely naked besides that. 00:25:37.680 --> 00:25:46.880 So he walks up to the stage, they they put him in front of the dais, they bend him over, and they shove a beer bottle up his ass. 00:25:47.599 --> 00:25:48.319 Damn. 00:25:48.640 --> 00:25:52.480 Then they pull the beer bottle out and they spray it in the crowd and they start drinking. 00:25:53.519 --> 00:26:00.880 Yeah, and then at that point, the crowd is clearing out, and chairs are starting to kind of get in motion. 00:26:01.279 --> 00:26:04.480 So yeah, so they're basically trying to decide a riot. 00:26:04.640 --> 00:26:16.559 That's so yeah, and everybody's like, Whoa, because you talked about these riots, and it felt like that no rules thing you were talking about because when the first flare first chair got thrown, everybody's kind of like, Okay, what's this happening? 00:26:16.720 --> 00:26:17.519 How far is this gonna go? 00:26:17.839 --> 00:26:19.039 Luckily, it kind of stopped right away. 00:26:19.119 --> 00:26:24.240 It sort of settled down pretty quickly after that because security was like right there, they kind of came in really quick, yeah. 00:26:24.400 --> 00:26:43.759 But they got this close to kind of like inciting a riot because they were I what I what I gathered that they were doing, it seemed like they were intentionally trying to like really you know enrage people, not only just with the debate that they were that they were kind of having, but then this demonstration that they had, and and they were kind of like it was like they were trying to pick a fight with everybody. 00:26:43.920 --> 00:26:49.279 So, and you know, and it got to that point where it was that close, and then you know, luckily it stopped after that. 00:26:49.440 --> 00:26:51.599 But then, you know, that was the end of that panel. 00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:55.039 Yeah, where were you in this all uh hubbub? 00:26:55.200 --> 00:26:59.920 Um uh it was in a conference room in a hotel in Philly, I don't remember which one. 00:27:00.160 --> 00:27:08.240 Um, and I was like uh the dais was here, and I was just to the left of it in like one of the first two rows, so I was like right up front. 00:27:08.400 --> 00:27:08.960 Oh shit. 00:27:09.119 -->

00:27:10.480 Oh yeah, I was like right there for it. 00:27:10.559 --> 00:27:12.559 So you got sprayed with the ass beer. 00:27:12.720 --> 00:27:14.559 Uh a little bit. 00:27:14.799 --> 00:27:17.839 So yeah, there was a little bit of I I remember ducking. 00:27:17.920 --> 00:27:19.359 Yeah, I remember something hitting me. 00:27:19.440 --> 00:27:20.720 So yeah, I think I got sprayed with the bigger. 00:27:20.880 --> 00:27:22.559 Oh geez, and then when it hit you, you heard. 00:27:28.160 --> 00:27:30.960 Uh but yeah, that was like uh that was that was shocking. 00:27:31.119 --> 00:27:32.880 So, you know, so that happened. 00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:36.960 Yeah, uh I can't say that's on my list of to-dos. 00:27:38.880 --> 00:28:00.000 Well, and then the other thing that came to mind was um, of course, when I worked in relapse and and nuclear blast in the 90s, there was that uh there was a window of time where there was a lot of controversy with black metal bands where uh like the guys in Burzum and that whole thing with Euronymous and all that thing, and then uh uh Count Griznak was burning down churches and shit like that. 00:28:00.240 --> 00:28:01.759 Um, what did you think of that? 00:28:02.000 --> 00:28:09.599 Did you think uh did you think they were really being trying to be real Satanists, or do you think they were just trying to do it for the attention? 00:28:10.319 --> 00:28:15.039 Uh like did they really do you think they really believed in what they were doing? 00:28:15.680 --> 00:28:25.279 I I do feel that they uh believed very strongly in the messages that they were sending and how they felt about Christianity. 00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:32.079 That they wanted to destroy it, that they viewed it as a threat to you know the prosperity and peace of the world. 00:28:32.319 --> 00:28:34.960 And uh you can't really blame them that much. 00:28:36.240 --> 00:28:37.359 So I don't blame them. 00:28:37.599 --> 00:28:54.400 You know, if you if you build up a few symbolic acts and you burn a few churches in the process, you know, may maybe you will cause more than a few people to stop and think, like, oh, maybe it's this organized religion has flaws, you know. 00:28:54.480 --> 00:29:04.319 Maybe there are people that are on the fence about it that at least help them to think a little more critically about you know, uh, you know, we're not talking about we're not talking about faith. 00:29:04.400 --> 00:29:07.920 We're talking about the perils of brainwashing. 00:29:08.240 --> 00:29:08.480 Right. 00:29:09.039 --> 00:29:09.519 You know what I mean? 00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:15.599 So I think they were very much against and you know, it's it's a what do you call it? 00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:16.799 What's the word I'm thinking of? 00:29:16.880 --> 00:29:22.799 It's uh it's an institution of a society kind of allowed to operate unchecked. 00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:39.200 And you know, radical among us may even term bands like Burism as uh gatekeepers of uh, you know, what should be allowed as far as uh you know, unfettered, you know, just religious vomit. 00:29:39.599 --> 00:29:44.000 Yeah, yeah, brainwashing vomit because there's a lot of vulnerable people that get sucked into it. 00:29:44.240 --> 00:29:52.240 When I worked as a psych tech in a in a psych hospital, a lot of the patients that were in the hospital were fervently religious. 00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:58.319 One guy would w walk around, he would just carry a Bible around, he would just read it, and then he would read passages of it to you. 00:29:58.640 --> 00:30:12.240 And he wasn't like a religious person, but it just glommed onto his brain and kind of meshed really well with the schizophrenia to the point that that was a part of his new personality. 00:30:12.480 --> 00:30:13.119 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:30:14.160 --> 00:30:29.680 I do believe that they they uh really strongly believed in it, and they've talked about wanting to destroy the you know the Christian church, the Catholic Church, and uh you know, after some of the atrocities that you've heard about, I don't know that how much I really blame them for doing that. 00:30:29.839 --> 00:30:35.039 But I do think that they recognized the theatrical value in doing that. 00:30:35.279 --> 00:30:35.759 Yeah, yeah. 00:30:36.240 --> 00:30:36.799 You know what I mean? 00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:39.279 Yeah, they definitely milked the press out of it. 00:30:39.519 --> 00:30:47.519 Well, I mean, when Mayhem, when uh dead killed himself, they used his for some of those bootlegs, they were using his suicide picture for the cover. 00:30:47.759 --> 00:30:50.319 Yeah, I mean stuff like that that you know that that they they did. 00:30:50.400 --> 00:30:54.640 So it's just like, yeah, it's it's kind of crazy that they that they would go to that level, but they did. 00:30:54.720 --> 00:30:58.880 So I think I read that it was the band member that walked in before the police came. 00:30:59.279 --> 00:31:03.839 It was, and he also, yeah, he took the picture, it was the guitarist, he took the picture. 00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:10.000 Uh the legend goes is that he also uh took a piece of his skull and you had it on a necklace. 00:31:10.240 --> 00:31:13.599 Oh yeah, and also that he supposedly fried up a piece of his brain and ate it. 00:31:13.680 --> 00:31:16.000 We talked about on that on Frank's on Frank's podcast. 00:31:16.160 --> 00:31:16.799 That's right, that's right. 00:31:16.960 --> 00:31:20.319 But yeah, that's now I don't I'm I'm thinking that part's horse shit, but who knows? 00:31:20.480 --> 00:31:22.720 But uh, but that thing with the skull is supposed to be real. 00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:26.319 So, but yeah, he took the picture and you know that's that's how it went. 00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:27.119 So yeah. 00:31:27.279 --> 00:31:43.279 Um I was actually kind of adjacent to that a little bit, not that event, but um, I had the opportunity to work with dissection and the guitarist, the main guy John, he went to prison

for a while, and he went to prison because he was an accessory to murder. 00:31:43.359 --> 00:32:00.720 It was um a thing where another black metal dude that he knew had borrowed a gun of his and had gunned down uh a gay a gay person in Norway or wherever it was, or Sweden, this was in Sweden, and uh and then John was arrested as an accomplice, as a as an accessory to murder. 00:32:00.880 --> 00:32:08.240 So it was one of those things where they do carry that hatred over to uh other that they can carry that beyond the church and other you know areas too. 00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:15.680 So I don't know if John knew about what the intent of the guy with the gun was, but you know, I don't know if he was like how much he had to really do with that. 00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:20.720 Um, because I didn't I didn't think he was like quite that bad, but you know, you never know with these guys. 00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:24.400 So but you know they made a brilliant album, but it's still one of those things. 00:32:24.480 --> 00:32:26.240 They made they some made some amazing music. 00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:36.319 But at the same time though, when I learned of that, it was kind of hard to think about like trying to work with a band like that, because it's just like dealing with this guy is kind of like a he's he's not a murderer, but he's an accessory to it. 00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:39.440 I don't know where he stands and if he feels that way about gay people. 00:32:39.599 --> 00:32:42.559 I don't feel like I don't I don't I don't have a hate for gay people like that. 00:32:43.039 --> 00:32:45.200 So you know, so I don't want to deal with that kind of shit. 00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:48.319 So but but you know, it it kind of rubs off on you a little bit. 00:32:48.400 --> 00:32:51.759 Yeah, you kind of get caught in that in that kind of wave of it a little bit, you know. 00:32:52.559 --> 00:33:03.359 Well, I mean I think out of a crowd of musicians, a couple of them are gonna have that uh uh talking about extreme metal musicians. 00:33:03.599 --> 00:33:08.079 Yeah, yeah, you know, I mean it it attracts a certain personality type. 00:33:08.559 --> 00:33:21.599 Um makes it a lot it facilitates that melding of the person too, you know, that that lifestyle uh makes it a little bit more uh believable, yeah, easily attainable. 00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:27.839 Yeah, um you know, and that's yeah, that was the you know the whole part of the the satanic panic of the of the eighties. 00:33:28.799 --> 00:33:29.039 Yeah. 00:33:29.680 --> 00:33:33.759 People worrying that you know the music was gonna turn people into mass murders and all that. 00:33:33.839 --> 00:33:43.519 But if you look at the like ratio or percentage of the number of people that actually went on to commit crimes and lead lives of crimes, it's not that high. 00:33:43.680 --> 00:33:46.240 No, it's not any higher than it is in the general population. 00:33:46.960 --> 00:33:47.680 On average, yeah. 00:33:47.759 --> 00:33:48.720 No, no, it's not. 00:33:48.799 --> 00:33:49.039 Yeah. 00:33:49.359 --> 00:33:52.799 I think there are more people into metal now than there ever were. 00:33:53.039 --> 00:33:54.000 Oh, I agree with that. 00:33:54.079 --> 00:33:54.400 Yeah. 00:33:54.720 --> 00:33:59.839 It's just that most of them are like underground because metal is not a popular uh format anymore. 00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:00.400 Right. 00:34:00.559 --> 00:34:04.079 But you have a lot more people that are into metal now than there were in the 80s. 00:34:04.160 --> 00:34:15.599 So I feel more comfortable making that statement that if you have 10,000 metal musicians and 20 of them are hardened criminals, I mean isn't that kind of like general society? 00:34:16.159 --> 00:34:18.079 That's pretty probably pretty average, yeah. 00:34:18.239 --> 00:34:18.880 Yeah. 00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:19.760 All right. 00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:24.880 So uh anything else on the subject of shock and metal or no, I'm sufficiently shocked out. 00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:25.440 Thank you. 00:34:26.960 --> 00:34:30.639 Okay, so that moves us over into metal news. 00:34:40.639 --> 00:34:54.800 So I saw now this story kind of changed along the way, but Incantation has uh when they were touring here recently, they were asking fans to bring non-perishable food items to the shows. 00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:55.440 Yeah. 00:34:55.679 --> 00:35:05.280 Now, I heard initially that the reason they were doing that because they were bitching about the hospitality at the shows, like the green room where you know the bands get like food and stuff. 00:35:05.519 --> 00:35:09.360 They were saying that the quality was like really terrible and they just weren't getting fed well. 00:35:09.599 --> 00:35:10.559 They were giving them crap or something. 00:35:10.719 --> 00:35:13.519 They were giving them crap or whatever, and that was supposedly the reason. 00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:15.920 Now, that story came out. 00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:24.239 The reason came out, but then another article came out, and then John uh from uh Incantation said, No, that wasn't true. 00:35:24.400 --> 00:35:27.519 We were doing that to donate the movie to food banks. 00:35:29.599 --> 00:35:37.199 Okay, you know, I I'm kind of questioning was what were they originally doing for the bad hospitality? 00:35:37.280 --> 00:35:38.800 Then they shifted the narrative. 00:35:39.039 --> 00:35:40.239 Oh, I see what you're saying. 00:35:40.400 --> 00:35:41.039 You know what I'm saying? 00:35:41.119 --> 00:35:45.840 Like, like uh because the story changed, and I was wondering, well, did somebody just get the facts wrong? 00:35:46.159 --> 00:35:50.559 Or you know, like where did that thing come from about the bad hospitality then, right? 00:35:51.199 --> 00:35:55.119 So that's why I'm kind of like, meh, what happened with the little bit one of these? 00:35:55.519 --> 00:35:56.960 Yeah, that's boy. 00:35:57.039 --> 00:35:58.400 That's really that's odd. 00:35:58.559

--> 00:36:05.199 I didn't experience that with that story because when I first read the story, both pieces were in that story. 00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:06.320 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:36:06.400 --> 00:36:06.559 Okay. 00:36:06.800 --> 00:36:10.880 So it didn't strike me as, oh, it started off as this and then it became this. 00:36:11.039 --> 00:36:11.199 Yeah. 00:36:11.440 --> 00:36:23.920 It was it it to me, it just sounded like, you know, um, there was an element of like I I'm not gonna use the term food scarcity in a green room environment. 00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:24.880 You know what I mean? 00:36:25.119 --> 00:36:38.719 But you know, if they fucking walked in there and all they were given was cheese and crackers, and then they had to go out and buy a bunch of food and then went, holy shit, look at we just spent$150 between the four of us just for you know tonight and tomorrow. 00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:39.280 Yeah, right. 00:36:39.920 --> 00:36:41.519 This every night, right, right, yeah. 00:36:41.760 --> 00:36:47.920 And that I'm thinking that probably spurred them on to think, you know, and you know, it's all over the news, yeah. 00:36:48.239 --> 00:36:56.880 The fucking inflation rate and and and food inflation, you know, people are having to make choices between you know buying medicine or eating, right? 00:36:57.119 --> 00:37:03.199 Putting the guts in the tank or paying their utilities, you know, uh it's it's hurting everybody right now. 00:37:03.519 --> 00:37:07.360 So I I I I'll put it out there this way. 00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:14.159 Even if that were to have been the case, I'm glad they settled on let's give food to food banks. 00:37:14.320 --> 00:37:14.639 Yeah, yeah. 00:37:14.800 --> 00:37:15.119 Me too. 00:37:15.360 --> 00:37:16.639 Food that's donated to us. 00:37:17.119 --> 00:37:24.880 You know, it's a real feel-good thing, and you know, you do you know, I I wouldn't put it past them to feel like you know, we want to try to do something. 00:37:25.199 --> 00:37:26.159 Yeah, 100%. 00:37:26.480 --> 00:37:34.880 Yeah, you know, yeah, they've been around for a long time, so they have the power to to uh uh encourage people to do certain things, you know. 00:37:35.119 --> 00:37:35.920 Yeah, absolutely. 00:37:36.079 --> 00:37:50.079 Well, yeah, I like that idea of the of the food banks for sure, but uh yeah, and and and I know and you know too from playing in bands, it's you know, sometimes you get treated like shit, and you know they don't have anything, so you know I think both kind of sides of that are pretty legitimate, actually. 00:37:50.159 --> 00:37:51.920 So yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:58.079 Um, did you see that Eric Morati, the drummer for suffocation, yeah, has suddenly quit. 00:37:58.159 --> 00:38:04.719 Uh stating now, uh again, controversial stories here, a little bit on on the either side here. 00:38:04.800 --> 00:38:14.239 Um, but he's saying that he quit because uh supposedly that he's basically classifying the

members of suffocation as being abusive drug addicts, is what he said. 00:38:14.400 --> 00:38:29.679 Yeah, he's now playing with Sangma Sugarbog as their drummer, he's on tour with them with Lam and God, and suffocation came out and said, No, the reason he was let go was because of his conflicts with Tori Sangma Sugabog for you know our Torium with suffocation. 00:38:29.840 --> 00:38:31.119 So that's what they're saying. 00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:33.920 So the truth I find usually falls in the middle somewhere. 00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:36.800 But did you ever hear of suffocation be drug addicts or anything? 00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:47.199 No, no, I and I I know uh a couple of the guys in internal bleeding who are close to the guys in suffocation because of the proximity geographically on long. 00:38:48.960 --> 00:39:02.880 Um, and and I've seen uh I met Mike Smith once, who was the old drummer on like the first couple of albums, uh first few albums, and and uh you know he was a completely mellow, totally cool guy. 00:39:03.360 --> 00:39:05.679 They didn't I don't know, they just didn't come off that way. 00:39:06.159 --> 00:39:08.400 I don't think so either, but you know, I mean you never know. 00:39:08.480 --> 00:39:09.199 I mean, what the hell? 00:39:09.280 --> 00:39:21.199 I mean, nobody knows what goes on behind the scenes except for the band members, but um it just seemed kind of extreme that he came out with that statement and was kind of like um big fuck you and but they were kind of they were being kind of chill about it, so I don't know. 00:39:21.440 --> 00:39:26.079 Yeah, yeah, that doesn't really paint a really good picture in his defense. 00:39:26.320 --> 00:39:36.159 No, uh it could have been something as simple as maybe a couple of them like to, you know, puff on weed after band practice, yeah. 00:39:36.320 --> 00:39:42.960 Um, or you know, maybe maybe one of them's got a fucking vape pen that he's hitting, but shows up to practice, goes to work. 00:39:43.199 --> 00:39:43.920 You know what I mean? 00:39:44.239 --> 00:39:53.199 Yeah, but I mean they seem like a tight band and they've always played well, so I haven't heard anything about where oh yeah, they were sucked, they suck because somebody was tripped out in heroin or something. 00:39:53.440 --> 00:39:54.800 So yeah, I don't know. 00:39:55.039 --> 00:39:58.719 So for for guys like um what's his name? 00:39:58.880 --> 00:40:00.880 Uh the the bass player, Derek something. 00:40:01.039 --> 00:40:01.599 Oh yeah. 00:40:01.840 --> 00:40:10.159 I I can't remember off the top of my head, but him and the other guitar player, uh uh Terrence Hobbs. 00:40:10.559 --> 00:40:14.800 Um, if for them to be able oh, uh Derek Boyer is the bass player. 00:40:14.880 --> 00:40:16.000 Yeah, he's the guy that fucking plays. 00:40:16.559 --> 00:40:18.400 Yeah, he does that stand-up thing with the bass. 00:40:18.559 --> 00:40:21.679 I love that bass he's got, but he plays it like stand-up like this. 00:40:21.760 --> 00:40:23.440 He looks really menacing whenever he does it. 00:40:23.920 --> 00:40:24.239 I don't know. 00:40:24.480 --> 00:40:27.280 He's always like hunched over and he's like, yeah. 00:40:27.360 --> 00:40:30.320 He looks like a little fucking like a troll under a bridge. 00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:34.480 But he plays like a motherfucker, like he's he's a damn good bass player. 00:40:34.719 --> 00:40:35.360 So I don't know. 00:40:35.599 --> 00:40:39.760 I don't yeah, I mean the riffs that they have, I don't know how you could be a drug user. 00:40:41.039 --> 00:40:41.760 Let me rephrase that. 00:40:42.079 --> 00:40:46.639 I don't know how you could be like a like died in the wool like addict, yeah. 00:40:46.960 --> 00:40:50.320 Uh and then be able to play those fucking riffs, right? 00:40:50.400 --> 00:40:52.079 Yeah, that's what I was thinking. 00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:52.880 Yeah, I don't know. 00:40:53.039 --> 00:40:53.599 Yeah, I don't know. 00:40:53.679 --> 00:40:54.639 It seems like a stretch. 00:40:55.039 --> 00:40:58.159 What they need to do is they need to bring Bike Mike Smith back now. 00:40:58.719 --> 00:40:59.199 There you go. 00:40:59.360 --> 00:41:00.159 That was a good time. 00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:01.119 That was a good time. 00:41:01.360 --> 00:41:03.360 Yeah, I think they did bring a new drummer in now. 00:41:03.440 --> 00:41:10.880 They do have somebody because they had to get on, they were they were going on tour pretty quickly with uh I forget what tour they're on, but um, they were going tour something. 00:41:10.960 --> 00:41:12.239 And who did they bring back? 00:41:12.320 --> 00:41:13.280 Uh Colross? 00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:13.760 I don't know. 00:41:13.840 --> 00:41:14.639 I'd have to look that up. 00:41:14.719 --> 00:41:16.960 I forget who hold on, let me look it up real quick. 00:41:17.119 --> 00:41:20.400 Uh who is the suffocation? 00:41:21.679 --> 00:41:22.880 Uh drummer. 00:41:23.840 --> 00:41:24.880 So let's see what it says. 00:41:24.960 --> 00:41:26.880 Uh they brought back Doug Ball. 00:41:27.519 --> 00:41:28.639 Yeah, he quit. 00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:31.199 Uh let's see. 00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:33.199 Uh Ricky Myers? 00:41:34.880 --> 00:41:35.440 Don't know him. 00:41:35.679 --> 00:41:36.159 Don't know him. 00:41:36.320 --> 00:41:36.559 Yeah. 00:41:36.719 --> 00:41:38.320 He joined the yeah, no, he left. 00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:39.280 Yeah, he just joined. 00:41:39.840 --> 00:41:42.079 So yeah, so he's the new guy, I guess. 00:41:42.400 --> 00:41:43.039 So yeah. 00:41:43.199 --> 00:41:45.519 Yeah, I'm never I'm not familiar, so I don't know who he is. 00:41:45.679 --> 00:41:47.199 But yeah, it's Ricky Myers. 00:41:48.079 --> 00:41:53.519 Although a drummer for a death metal band probably should go by Rick, not Ricky. 00:41:55.440 --> 00:41:56.079 You know what I mean? 00:41:56.639 --> 00:41:56.960 Yeah. 00:41:57.280 --> 00:41:58.639 That doesn't sound very death metal y. 00:41:58.800 --> 00:41:59.280

Ricky. 00:41:59.760 --> 00:42:00.800 It's like a Timmy. 00:42:01.280 --> 00:42:01.599 Yeah. 00:42:05.280 --> 00:42:06.400 Like singer drummer song. 00:42:06.559 --> 00:42:08.079 Timmy is a little Timmy. 00:42:10.320 --> 00:42:11.760 It doesn't, that's not super metal. 00:42:11.840 --> 00:42:12.159 I'm sorry. 00:42:12.320 --> 00:42:13.440 Ricky fell down the well! 00:42:16.239 --> 00:42:31.360 Alright, so um, I also saw that the pretty recklesses uh singer Taylor, uh Momson, uh recently I guess they were on tour, uh, she got bit by a spider and had to spend uh the night in the hospital because it was a poisonous spider. 00:42:31.519 --> 00:42:32.639 So where was this? 00:42:32.880 --> 00:42:35.039 I don't hold on, let me where was that? 00:42:35.280 --> 00:42:41.920 Um I forget where the spider bite. 00:42:42.559 --> 00:42:44.079 I forgot where that was. 00:42:45.679 --> 00:42:48.320 Yeah, let's see where what where did that happen? 00:42:48.719 --> 00:42:52.719 Uh I'm I think I thought it was somewhere like South America or oh yeah, Mexico. 00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:53.039 That's right. 00:42:53.119 --> 00:42:53.679 It's Mexico. 00:42:53.840 --> 00:42:54.079 That's right. 00:42:54.480 --> 00:42:55.280 Mexico City. 00:42:55.840 --> 00:42:59.920 Oh she got yeah, she got she got bit and oh yeah, that's right. 00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:01.519 It was a brown recluse. 00:43:02.320 --> 00:43:03.679 That's what she was in the hospital. 00:43:03.840 --> 00:43:05.519 Yeah, those things are nasty, man. 00:43:05.679 --> 00:43:12.400 So that your your skin rots from yeah, your skin dies from wherever that bite is, and then you and you never get that back. 00:43:12.559 --> 00:43:15.440 Like you that's per that damage is like permanent, like forever. 00:43:15.599 --> 00:43:18.880 So yeah, we had a girl at my last job that had got bit by one of those. 00:43:19.360 --> 00:43:19.920 No way. 00:43:20.320 --> 00:43:27.519 She it was somewhere on one of her legs, and they had to keep doing surgeries to cut out all the all of the all the dead tissue. 00:43:27.760 --> 00:43:29.840 Uh yeah, the necrotic tissue, yeah. 00:43:30.159 --> 00:43:30.639 Horrible. 00:43:30.800 --> 00:43:33.119 Yeah, well, that laid her up for a minute. 00:43:33.519 --> 00:43:39.679 Yeah, and you know, the the crazy thing about those spiders is like it doesn't affect everybody the same way. 00:43:39.920 --> 00:43:44.960 So you and I could get bit by brown recluses, and it's not guaranteed that we would get that. 00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:51.119 Yeah, not everybody has that same uh reaction necrotizing fasciitis reaction. 00:43:51.440 --> 00:43:59.760 Oh, no, um I didn't know you know, it's it all comes down to your biochemistry if it doesn't mesh well with the toxins. 00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:01.760 You're gonna have the problem. 00:44:02.159 --> 00:44:05.199 But some people can, yeah, it's not a given, is what I'm saying. 00:44:05.760 --> 00:44:08.239 And she unfortunately drew the short straw with that.

00:44:08.320 --> 00:44:08.880 It sounds like. 00:44:09.119 --> 00:44:10.079 Yeah, no, she did. 00:44:10.159 --> 00:44:15.039 Yeah, she's uh she said the poisonous spiders when she was in Mexico City were no bueno. 00:44:15.199 --> 00:44:15.519 Yeah. 00:44:15.679 --> 00:44:16.079 All right. 00:44:17.519 --> 00:44:19.760 Um, any other music news? 00:44:19.920 --> 00:44:20.960 Anything else? 00:44:23.920 --> 00:44:25.920 Not so much news, but I'll throw this out there. 00:44:26.079 --> 00:44:28.719 I saw a short video of David Lee Roth. 00:44:29.039 --> 00:44:29.360 Oh. 00:44:29.840 --> 00:44:33.440 Uh after we talked about him several episodes back. 00:44:33.679 --> 00:44:34.400 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:44:34.719 --> 00:44:42.960 And he was he was talking about a million different things in the it was a it was a uh one of the shorts on YouTube. 00:44:43.280 --> 00:44:43.599 Okay. 00:44:43.760 --> 00:44:45.760 And so those videos are only like a minute. 00:44:46.559 --> 00:44:58.559 And in that minute, he switched topics from one thing to the next thing to the next thing, and I'm like, I man, I I couldn't talk to somebody like that because he was all over the fucking map. 00:44:59.119 --> 00:45:01.360 And what if he like out or something? 00:45:01.679 --> 00:45:06.559 Uh yeah, it kind of had that weird feel like you were hanging around somebody that was real high. 00:45:06.800 --> 00:45:07.280 Oh yeah. 00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:07.840 Yeah. 00:45:08.559 --> 00:45:14.639 And uh, you know, that I guess that must have been like that's just spillover from his you know front man days. 00:45:14.800 --> 00:45:15.119 Yeah. 00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:20.559 But uh maybe that's the same process that told him it would be a good idea to put on the leather pants again. 00:45:20.639 --> 00:45:21.519 I don't know. 00:45:24.960 --> 00:45:28.559 Well, uh, did you did you see any live footage of him like playing? 00:45:29.119 --> 00:45:29.840 No, no. 00:45:30.320 --> 00:45:40.159 But there was there was a clip uh that I came across where it showed that thing where he was he was playing the um the not the maracas, the the the tambourine. 00:45:40.320 --> 00:45:41.440 The tambourine, yeah. 00:45:41.519 --> 00:45:45.280 Yeah and uh it just it was the it was a black tambourine, you know. 00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:48.239 So it's a rock and roll tambourine. 00:45:51.039 --> 00:45:54.159 So but he was fucking that thing all up. 00:45:58.320 --> 00:46:02.320 Well, as long as he attacks it with spirit, you know, that he's got the spirit to do it. 00:46:02.559 --> 00:46:12.639 All right, uh all right, that was it for Metal News, which means we're now on to the album review, which was your pick. 00:46:21.440 --> 00:46:23.519 So tell us all about it. 00:46:23.920 --> 00:46:27.760 So we this is connected to the shirt. 00:46:28.159 --> 00:46:31.440 It's we're not talking about an apom death shirt, right? 00:46:31.599 --> 00:46:41.440 But what we are talking about is the campaign for musical destruction tour in 1992, which oh nice, right? 00:46:41.760 --> 00:46:54.559 So I was there, but unfortunately, because I was the typical lazy ass 19-year-old, we missed the fucking train to take us into New York City in time for the start of the show. 00:46:54.719 --> 00:47:01.840 Uh the bill was Brutal Truth, Cathedral, Carcass, and Napalm Death. 00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:03.760 Oh my god, that's a hell of a show. 00:47:03.920 --> 00:47:05.119 Unfucking believable, right? 00:47:05.360 --> 00:47:06.320 Who did you miss? 00:47:06.559 --> 00:47:09.119 We missed Brutal Truth and Cathedral. 00:47:09.360 --> 00:47:11.199 Oh shit, that sucks. 00:47:11.519 --> 00:47:15.119 I I am mad to this fucking day. 00:47:15.760 --> 00:47:18.000 And it was only it's my own damn fault. 00:47:18.159 --> 00:47:27.199 Uh so um I ended up getting into cathedral uh about right after that. 00:47:27.280 --> 00:47:35.519 Uh it was kind of like I was into napalm, and I didn't I didn't realize that Lee Dorian had been the old napalm singer. 00:47:35.599 --> 00:47:42.079 And then once I learned that, and it segued right into, and by the way, he's in this new band now. 00:47:42.400 --> 00:47:46.559 Um and so that's how I kind of started listening to him. 00:47:46.800 --> 00:47:47.679 Okay, gotcha. 00:47:47.920 --> 00:48:04.960 And um I I don't know what I was expecting, but um, so anyway, the long and the short of it is that we're we're talking about the Ethereal Mirror, which is Cathedral's second full-length album out of a 10 album run that they had before they broke up until uh what was it, 2013 or something? 00:48:05.119 --> 00:48:06.159 Something like that, yeah. 00:48:06.400 --> 00:48:13.519 Um, but they had a long career and their music changed pretty pretty radically over the course of their career. 00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:26.320 And the Ethereal Mirror catches them at the beginning of their incorporation of more rock and and metal into the songwriting. 00:48:26.559 --> 00:48:30.400 Because if you listen to the the first album, it's fucking brutal. 00:48:30.480 --> 00:48:30.800 Yeah. 00:48:31.119 --> 00:48:39.840 And it sounds really raw and and uh not exactly lo-fi, but you it's almost sounds kind of like a demo in some ways, yeah. 00:48:39.920 --> 00:48:45.440 Yeah, uh, but the riffs are tremendously heavy and the vocals are are just like brutal as fuck. 00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:47.679 But that's not the first album that I heard. 00:48:47.840 --> 00:48:49.440 I heard the Ethereal Mirror first. 00:48:49.679 --> 00:48:50.400 Oh, I see. 00:48:50.639 --> 00:48:53.760 Oh wow, that must have been a jolt when you heard the other stuff then. 00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:56.000 Yeah, because I so different. 00:48:56.239 --> 00:49:01.199 Yeah, uh that the first album made a lot more sense to me that that was Lee Dorian. 00:49:01.360 --> 00:49:01.760 Yeah, yeah. 00:49:02.239 --> 00:49:05.840 But the Ethereal Mirror, I'm like, what the hell happened to the vocals? 00:49:07.119 -->

00:49:09.199 You know, that was my first song. 00:49:09.840 --> 00:49:19.519 Um in the ensuing 30 years, I have grown to like the vocals because they they they got better. 00:49:19.679 --> 00:49:24.239 Um even after the Ethereal Mirror, um, when they did um what is it called? 00:49:24.400 --> 00:49:25.360 Bizarre something. 00:49:25.440 --> 00:49:26.719 I can't remember the name of the board. 00:49:27.039 --> 00:49:27.280 Yeah, yeah. 00:49:27.360 --> 00:49:28.400 I know which album, yeah. 00:49:29.039 --> 00:49:34.719 Uh yeah, I can't remember the for far the fo no Forest of Equilibrium. 00:49:34.800 --> 00:49:35.519 Is that what it was called? 00:49:35.599 --> 00:49:36.559 The the third album? 00:49:36.880 --> 00:49:37.440 I don't remember. 00:49:37.760 --> 00:49:38.400 I don't remember. 00:49:38.559 --> 00:49:48.800 Um on that album, he you could there's an even further improvement in the vocals, uh, to where it actually sounds like like kind of like groovy singing almost. 00:49:49.119 --> 00:49:59.360 You know, but the Ethereal Mirror, in the beginning, I was turned off by it because it was just like almost he was almost trying to find his place as a as a vocalist. 00:49:59.519 --> 00:50:00.159 Right, right, right, right. 00:50:01.039 --> 00:50:04.559 Right, all of his vocals are like eh, it's a little awkward, yeah. 00:50:04.719 --> 00:50:09.760 Well, it's almost yeah, it's it's if you like Bob Dylan, you'll like his vocals. 00:50:10.079 --> 00:50:12.960 Yeah, that's a great right, yes. 00:50:13.199 --> 00:50:18.960 Well, because it's such a like Dylan's such an acquired taste as far as people that like his singing, I can't stand it. 00:50:19.039 --> 00:50:22.000 Like it just I can't do it, like I can't do it. 00:50:22.239 --> 00:50:35.280 But uh so I I so he's a very acquired taste, but that's the same thing I thought about Lee Dorian too with this album that he's very it's like you know, yeah, it's like he's trying to find where he's supposed to be within the vocal pitch range. 00:50:35.840 --> 00:50:44.880 Yeah, that's not really a I I don't want to call it a complaint, but it's probably the the the the biggest strike against the album that I have. 00:50:45.199 --> 00:50:54.400 Yeah, but it's you know what though it's kind of like you said, if you listen to it a few times, the vocals do work within the construct of what they're doing. 00:50:54.639 --> 00:50:55.119 That's right. 00:50:55.679 --> 00:51:03.679 He's not Bruce Dickinson, but that doesn't mean that the vocals don't fit for like the the approach that they're taking with it. 00:51:03.760 --> 00:51:04.559 I thought it worked. 00:51:04.639 --> 00:51:11.679 I mean, yeah, not the best singer in the world, but that doesn't mean it's not it doesn't it's not appropriate for the presentation that they're making. 00:51:11.760 --> 00:51:14.320 So I thought, you know, I thought it made sense. 00:51:14.559 --> 00:51:20.559 Yeah, it does work with the music, and fortunately the riffs are so fucking amazing. 00:51:20.719 --> 00:51:22.000 Oh monster, yeah. 00:51:22.239 --> 00:51:28.079 Yeah, I mean, and the the production between the first album and this one is like night and day. 00:51:28.239 --> 00:51:32.159 Oh, yeah, big, wide, expansive drums, yeah. 00:51:32.400 --> 00:51:36.239 Uh the guitar tone is in 100% improved. 00:51:36.320 --> 00:51:40.639 Yeah, it's very oh, you know, the note definition is is is just fantastic on it. 00:51:40.800 --> 00:51:55.280 So um, yeah, I mean it's just it's a very groovy album, and it's funny to think about how that was one of the first like stoner doom right, yeah, album totally, yeah. 00:51:55.440 --> 00:51:56.079 You know what I mean? 00:51:56.159 --> 00:52:01.760 Like because that the this is the album where you can really hear the Sabbath, big time, yeah. 00:52:01.920 --> 00:52:03.119 You know, absolutely. 00:52:03.280 --> 00:52:14.639 Yeah, I have my have in my notes here uh what a blues band would sound like if they were signed to Earache, yeah, right, and at that point they were on Columbia of all labels. 00:52:14.800 --> 00:52:17.280 Oh, is they were they on Columbia for that album? 00:52:17.440 --> 00:52:18.800 Yeah, I didn't realize that. 00:52:18.880 --> 00:52:20.159 I thought they were still on Earache. 00:52:20.320 --> 00:52:21.679 No shit, they were in Columbia for that. 00:52:21.760 --> 00:52:22.559 I'll be damned, huh? 00:52:22.719 --> 00:52:31.280 Yep, okay, and then right after this album, which is like a fantastic like Columbia should have been like, Okay, we're giving these guys three more records. 00:52:31.599 --> 00:52:32.880 Oh, they didn't know what to do with them. 00:52:33.039 --> 00:52:34.400 They fucking dropped them, yeah. 00:52:34.480 --> 00:52:35.920 They didn't know what the hell to do with them. 00:52:36.079 --> 00:52:38.079 Yeah, so not not surprising. 00:52:38.320 --> 00:52:44.880 Yeah, the major well, the major labels always tried to jump onto bands like that, and then they they didn't know how to market them, they didn't know how to work with them. 00:52:45.039 --> 00:52:47.760 Same thing happened with Morbid Angel, they were trying to make them metallic. 00:52:48.159 --> 00:52:49.440 Oh, that's right, you know, that's right, yeah. 00:52:49.519 --> 00:52:53.360 And then and they you know, they it just death metal doesn't land the same way. 00:52:53.519 --> 00:52:55.599 Uh, but yeah, going back to the my notes here. 00:52:55.679 --> 00:52:59.280 I also wrote down dirty, nasty, sludgy riffs. 00:52:59.519 --> 00:53:02.559 Oh right, that totally fits. 00:53:02.719 --> 00:53:03.840 Yep, yeah. 00:53:04.000 --> 00:53:09.280 One of the more fun and dare I say uplifting dude bands in a way, yeah. 00:53:09.360 --> 00:53:20.960 Actually, they're not like uh they're not like sleep, where it's just like heavy, heavy, heavy, heavy, or yab, you know, they're like that too, right? 00:53:21.280 --> 00:53:26.800 These guys are like there's like there's peaks and valleys, and

his voice kind of takes it to different places with the way he sings. 00:53:26.880 --> 00:53:32.800 And now there's the riffs are always there and heavy, but they also have that sort of upbeat bluesy vibe to them sometimes. 00:53:32.960 --> 00:53:34.239 Yes, yes, you know what I mean. 00:53:34.719 --> 00:53:36.400 Well, but was it Misty Mountain? 00:53:36.559 --> 00:53:37.760 Yeah, yeah, exactly. 00:53:37.840 --> 00:53:48.880 Yeah, so well, and you said Sabbath void vibes, and I wrote down uh two songs that have that, or one song that has that is Fountain of Innocence, it's totally into the void. 00:53:49.760 --> 00:53:50.719 Oh shit. 00:53:50.880 --> 00:53:52.719 I didn't even pick up on that, but right? 00:53:52.960 --> 00:53:55.760 If you listen to Fountain of Innocence, listen into the void. 00:53:58.320 --> 00:53:59.519 I'm writing that note down. 00:53:59.599 --> 00:54:01.280 Yeah, take a look, take a listen. 00:54:02.480 --> 00:54:03.679 See what you think about that. 00:54:04.400 --> 00:54:09.440 And yeah, I wrote down Lee Lee Dorian's distinctive vocal style. 00:54:09.760 --> 00:54:17.760 Um not an amazing technical singer, but an undeniably unique voice. 00:54:18.480 --> 00:54:20.400 So in other words, when you hear him, you know it's him. 00:54:20.639 --> 00:54:22.000 You totally, right? 00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:28.079 So and also like the this was unexpected, the acoustic guitar in Imprison and Flesh. 00:54:28.159 --> 00:54:30.079 Yeah, like where the hell did that come from? 00:54:30.400 --> 00:54:32.719 Very sad, beautiful use of 12 string. 00:54:32.880 --> 00:54:36.559 Yeah, I thought that was really, you know, that was one of those things that was kind of unexpected. 00:54:36.639 --> 00:54:37.679 I thought that was really cool. 00:54:37.840 --> 00:54:38.239 Yep. 00:54:38.719 --> 00:54:40.559 And it balances the album really well, too. 00:54:40.880 --> 00:54:41.360 Totally, yeah. 00:54:41.920 --> 00:54:43.519 Well, it doesn't sound out of place. 00:54:43.760 --> 00:54:45.440 No, it's a nice way to close it. 00:54:45.679 --> 00:54:46.639 It is, yeah, exactly. 00:54:46.719 --> 00:54:48.320 So yeah, that's what I thought too. 00:54:48.559 --> 00:54:54.239 I like uh on Ride, we're talking about Sabbath, a filthy motherfucking song. 00:54:55.599 --> 00:54:59.599 I think that was the song that inspired me to write down dirty, nasty, sludgy riffs. 00:54:59.840 --> 00:55:00.239 It has to be. 00:55:00.320 --> 00:55:02.320 That was the same song. 00:55:02.559 --> 00:55:03.199 Yeah. 00:55:03.679 --> 00:55:10.079 But holy shit, the the the the tail end of that riff. 00:55:10.639 --> 00:55:12.239 Oh, I remember now. 00:55:12.480 --> 00:55:17.760 It's uh okay. 00:55:17.840 --> 00:55:22.960 It's the riff where you know the the real heavy one was like dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun it. 00:55:24.880 --> 00:55:25.519 I fucking love that. 00:55:26.960 --> 00:55:33.599 Because the second time he does it, he doesn't do the he does it in octave below, down real down and fucking low on the network. 00:55:35.599 --> 00:55:36.239 Yeah, I love that. 00:55:37.280 --> 00:55:37.920 Yeah, that is bad. 00:55:38.639 --> 00:55:42.719 I mean, how many times am I going to say Black Sabbath in one review? 00:55:43.840 --> 00:55:46.320 It's like Black Sabbath rifts on acid. 00:55:47.599 --> 00:55:48.239 Yep. 00:55:48.639 --> 00:55:50.079 Uh to the worms. 00:55:50.400 --> 00:55:52.480 And with a much larger weed budget. 00:55:52.800 --> 00:55:53.360 Much. 00:55:53.519 --> 00:55:53.920 Yeah. 00:55:54.719 --> 00:55:55.840 What was that last part? 00:55:56.239 --> 00:55:56.800 What was it? 00:55:56.960 --> 00:55:59.039 Uh the song after that, Ed to the worms. 00:55:59.280 --> 00:55:59.920 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:56:06.639 --> 00:56:14.000 I have uh this is Death Metal doing the tango with Black Sabbath, Ultimate Blues Rock Guitar Jam. 00:56:14.559 --> 00:56:17.119 The Valhalla of guitar tone. 00:56:17.360 --> 00:56:18.639 Oh, good description. 00:56:18.880 --> 00:56:23.760 And uh almost a precursor/slash associate of Monster Magnet. 00:56:24.000 --> 00:56:26.400 Oh, yes, yes, I mean to think of. 00:56:26.639 --> 00:56:28.639 Yes, that's a great, yes. 00:56:28.719 --> 00:56:32.960 I wonder if they listen, I wonder if they were inspired by Monster Magnet was inspired by them. 00:56:33.199 --> 00:56:33.920 I could hear that. 00:56:34.079 --> 00:56:35.119 I could totally hear that. 00:56:35.199 --> 00:56:39.440 Yeah, yeah, I never thought about that, but there is a lot of parallels though between those two. 00:56:39.519 --> 00:56:40.159 That's interesting. 00:56:40.239 --> 00:56:42.159 Yeah, guitar stuff, yeah, especially. 00:56:42.320 --> 00:56:43.280 Oh, that's really interesting. 00:56:43.440 --> 00:56:44.320 Huh, I'll be down. 00:56:44.559 --> 00:56:46.159 I'll have to go back and listen to that again. 00:56:46.400 --> 00:56:49.599 Um, but yeah, no, that was a good, that was a good, uh, nice choice there, man. 00:56:49.679 --> 00:56:53.440 That was that took me back when I saw it was like, oh, when you said that was like classic. 00:56:53.599 --> 00:57:03.440 So I've been I've listened to it you know multiple times in the last week, and it's funny because it's now at the point in my life where it keeps getting better every time I listen to it. 00:57:03.599 --> 00:57:05.119 Yeah, I've had albums like that too. 00:57:05.199 --> 00:57:08.559 Yeah, I can go back and preach them on a sort of a higher level for sure. 00:57:08.639 --> 00:57:09.119 Yeah, yeah. 00:57:09.440 --> 00:57:13.599 And as a plus, look at this, kids. 00:57:13.840 --> 00:57:16.960 Um this is called the CD. 00:57:17.119 --> 00:57:18.880 That's a C compact disc. 00:57:19.280 --> 00:57:19.760 Wow. 00:57:20.000 --> 00:57:23.840 And you'll notice seven bucks. 00:57:24.480 --> 00:57:25.199 Something like that, yeah. 00:57:25.920 --> 00:57:26.639 Yeah,$7.99. 00:57:26.719 --> 00:57:27.039 There it is. 00:57:27.119 --> 00:57:28.000 Okay, I can see

it now. 00:57:28.239 --> 00:57:28.800 Awesome. 00:57:29.039 --> 00:57:29.679 Wow. 00:57:30.159 --> 00:57:35.280 So when I was listening to it on YouTube, the um, because I didn't have the CD down here. 00:57:35.440 --> 00:57:42.320 Uh one of the comments was uh talking about the artwork and how how weird this cover was. 00:57:42.719 --> 00:57:43.920 Yeah, it's trippy, totally trippy. 00:57:44.000 --> 00:57:48.239 Yeah, and someone responded saying, dude, did you even open it up? 00:57:48.320 --> 00:57:50.159 It gets even crazier when you open it. 00:57:50.320 --> 00:57:54.320 Yeah, this is the beauty of physical media, right, boys and girls. 00:57:54.480 --> 00:57:56.159 Watch this motherfucking shit. 00:57:56.320 --> 00:57:57.119 Watch this. 00:57:57.440 --> 00:58:02.159 Look at what this turns into, and you really get money's worth. 00:58:02.559 --> 00:58:03.440 Wicked. 00:58:04.079 --> 00:58:05.360 That's rad, man. 00:58:05.519 --> 00:58:05.920 Nice. 00:58:06.079 --> 00:58:08.000 That is some crazy ass artwork. 00:58:08.159 --> 00:58:09.599 Yeah, yeah, that's awesome. 00:58:09.679 --> 00:58:10.079 I love it. 00:58:10.159 --> 00:58:11.039 That's fucking awesome, man. 00:58:11.119 --> 00:58:11.920 Yeah, that's rad. 00:58:12.000 --> 00:58:12.559 That's awesome. 00:58:12.800 --> 00:58:14.000 What's the what's the back cover? 00:58:14.079 --> 00:58:15.199 What's it look like with the lyrics? 00:58:15.519 --> 00:58:20.239 The back is just the it's it's it's oh yeah, yeah. 00:58:20.320 --> 00:58:23.039 Okay, and these are the I remember that. 00:58:23.360 --> 00:58:24.239 I remember that. 00:58:24.320 --> 00:58:25.280 Okay, I forgot about that. 00:58:25.440 --> 00:58:26.239 How they used to have that scene. 00:58:26.400 --> 00:58:27.280 You're like, who's gonna read this? 00:58:28.480 --> 00:58:30.159 You know what they wanted you to do when you were listening? 00:58:30.239 --> 00:58:38.079 You wanted they wanted you to be like drooling on yourself and shit from the popcorn. 00:58:39.440 --> 00:58:41.760 Obviously, that was definitely the point of that. 00:58:44.320 --> 00:58:46.400 All right, great, great album choice. 00:58:46.480 --> 00:58:49.920 Anything else to say about Cathedral, the Ethereal Mirror? 00:58:50.239 --> 00:58:55.199 I think Lee Dorian is now has a record store or something, a musical store. 00:58:55.519 --> 00:58:55.920 Is that right? 00:58:57.119 --> 00:58:57.599 Huh. 00:58:57.840 --> 00:58:58.480 I think so. 00:58:58.719 --> 00:59:00.320 Okay, I would go in England somewhere. 00:59:01.679 --> 00:59:02.960 I would definitely go check that out. 00:59:03.039 --> 00:59:03.840 Yeah, yep. 00:59:04.000 --> 00:59:08.239 Um, all right, so we're on to the mystery band. 00:59:18.559 --> 00:59:21.760 So you challenged me last time, I want to say, with the vapors. 00:59:21.920 --> 00:59:24.960 I was very uh excited to go back and listen to them. 00:59:25.039 --> 00:59:26.079 They were a lot of fun. 00:59:26.320 --> 00:59:26.800 Yeah, yeah.

00:59:27.039 --> 00:59:30.320 Uh great punk band, great energy. 00:59:30.480 --> 00:59:33.440 I see what you mean about like listening to them while you're driving. 00:59:33.679 --> 00:59:35.920 I could totally see, I could totally hear that. 00:59:36.159 --> 00:59:42.480 Um yeah, and I just thought it was fun and fresh, and they definitely sound they sound of a time. 00:59:42.559 --> 00:59:47.840 There's definitely a dated sound to their yes, to their to their, you know, there's a very specific window that they fit in. 00:59:48.159 --> 00:59:53.760 But the songs I felt were still like they still held up, like they're still fun to listen to. 00:59:53.920 --> 00:59:59.920 Um, Turning Japanese, I thought it was a cool song, but there's better songs, there's much better songs that they have to listen to. 01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:05.039 Yeah, so yeah, just and they were and I was surprised to find out how many albums and stuff that they had. 01:00:05.119 --> 01:00:06.960 So they have a little bit of history there, so yeah. 01:00:07.039 --> 01:00:09.840 So check out the vapors again, just a reminder from the last episode. 01:00:10.000 --> 01:00:13.440 Uh, all right, but then this time I'm gonna let's see if I can stump you. 01:00:13.840 --> 01:00:16.800 Um, I picked a space rock band this time. 01:00:17.039 --> 01:00:24.239 So yeah, they stopped uh in about 2018, is when they ended, and their band called Far Flung. 01:00:25.760 --> 01:00:27.280 Oh shit, I never heard of them. 01:00:27.440 --> 01:00:28.559 Oh, I gotcha. 01:00:28.639 --> 01:00:30.559 Yay! I was hoping I got you on this one. 01:00:30.719 --> 01:00:31.440 Okay, yeah. 01:00:31.519 --> 01:00:34.400 The album is called A Wound in Eternity. 01:00:34.639 --> 01:00:38.000 Okay, so the band is called Far Flung, all one word. 01:00:39.119 --> 01:00:41.920 Yeah, and again, the album is let me just double check that. 01:00:42.000 --> 01:00:43.679 I believe it's a wound in eternity. 01:00:43.760 --> 01:00:44.880 I just want to make sure I have that right. 01:00:45.280 --> 01:00:46.880 I believe that's the name. 01:00:47.119 --> 01:00:50.400 And uh yeah, um, big spacey riffs. 01:00:50.559 --> 01:00:56.480 Um, anybody who like who's ever listened to like Hawkwind and stuff would would like these guys, uh, you know, stuff like that. 01:00:56.559 --> 01:01:00.400 So like going back to kind of spacey early Pink Floyd, that kind of stuff. 01:01:00.719 --> 01:01:01.199 Oh, really? 01:01:01.360 --> 01:01:06.239 Yeah, big sweeping kind of like, but but more of a contemporary kind of like heavier sound for sure. 01:01:06.480 --> 01:01:07.039 No shit. 01:01:07.119 --> 01:01:14.159 Uh yeah, and they just never I don't I don't think they gained a lot of traction, unfortunately, because you know, like you know, a lot of people don't know about them. 01:01:14.320 --> 01:01:15.679 Um I'm not I can't even remember. 01:01:15.920 --> 01:01:24.320 Oh, I think I found them because they were on a soundtrack for something because I listen, I do a lot of I find a lot of bands on soundtracks and stuff that I like. 01:01:24.639 --> 01:01:30.320 And I believe, I believe they were one of the um one of my soundtrack bands, if I'm not mistaken. 01:01:30.480 --> 01:01:38.559 But it was one of those things where um, you know, their albums are just kind of they sort of flew under the radar, and a lot of people just have never heard of them. 01:01:38.880 --> 01:01:43.440 But you know, I really like them because they're just like the you'll they'll you'll have to listen to and just see what you think. 01:01:43.599 --> 01:01:48.400 But uh hang on a second, I'm just kind of verifying this uh this uh the the name of this album real quick. 01:01:48.559 --> 01:01:58.639 But yeah, it's one of those things where, you know, um uh just very much an appreciated band, great musicians, great songwriters, you know, the whole thing. 01:01:58.800 --> 01:02:01.119 So when you get a chance, far flung. 01:02:01.440 --> 01:02:02.159 All one word. 01:02:03.039 --> 01:02:05.920 Yeah, the title is A Wound, like Flesh Wound. 01:02:06.239 --> 01:02:06.960 A wounded, yeah. 01:02:07.039 --> 01:02:08.239 So let me just verify that. 01:02:08.320 --> 01:02:10.639 But uh I think it's called A Wound in Eternity. 01:02:12.320 --> 01:02:14.400 Hold on, let me just double check that real quick. 01:02:17.280 --> 01:02:21.119 Yeah, they had a number of albums here, but that was the one I kind of latched on to. 01:02:21.440 --> 01:02:25.840 Yeah, because they have they they started in 1995. 01:02:26.960 --> 01:02:31.119 Um they released about one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight or nine albums. 01:02:31.280 --> 01:02:32.719 Yeah, Wounded Eternity. 01:02:32.880 --> 01:02:37.360 It came out in 2008, and their last album was about 2018. 01:02:38.639 --> 01:02:40.480 So where are they from? 01:02:40.960 --> 01:02:43.280 Uh England, I believe, if I'm not mistaken. 01:02:43.440 --> 01:02:45.920 Were they uh founded uh blah blah blah? 01:02:46.719 --> 01:02:56.800 So I'm just checking so like the thing is they don't really have any like um like uh uh websites and stuff that you kind of find them through fan websites and shit. 01:02:56.880 --> 01:02:59.840 So they're it's kind of hard to find information about them. 01:03:00.159 --> 01:03:02.960 But I believe they're a British band. 01:03:03.280 --> 01:03:06.719 Let me just double check that I might be wrong about that, but I think they're from England. 01:03:08.159 --> 01:03:09.199 Why doesn't it say that here? 01:03:10.880 --> 01:03:12.320 Da-da-da, blah blah blah. 01:03:13.119 --> 01:03:13.440 Shit. 01:03:13.599 --> 01:03:14.320 Yeah, I think so. 01:03:14.400 --> 01:03:15.840 I'll I'll I'll double check that. 01:03:15.920 --> 01:03:18.000 If I'm wrong, I'll correct it here in the episode later. 01:03:18.239 --> 01:03:20.559 Um, but yeah, so check out a wound in eternity. 01:03:20.639 --> 01:03:21.360 I want to see what you're doing. 01:03:21.679 -->

01:03:22.320 Okay, sounds good. 01:03:22.480 --> 01:03:24.000 Yeah, I think you're gonna like that. 01:03:24.159 --> 01:03:25.280 Um, all right. 01:03:25.440 --> 01:03:28.559 So, oh no, I'm sorry, they're from Los Angeles, California. 01:03:28.639 --> 01:03:28.960 Sorry. 01:03:29.360 --> 01:03:31.199 Ah yeah, I don't know where I got England from. 01:03:31.280 --> 01:03:33.679 I think, yeah, but yeah, they're from Lost from LA. 01:03:34.239 --> 01:03:34.480 Okay. 01:03:34.719 --> 01:03:35.280 All right. 01:03:35.599 --> 01:03:38.800 Okay, so far flung, a wound in eternity. 01:03:38.880 --> 01:03:39.920 That's your homework. 01:03:40.159 --> 01:03:40.719 All right. 01:03:41.920 --> 01:03:42.559 All right. 01:03:42.800 --> 01:03:45.840 Um now, live shows. 01:03:46.000 --> 01:03:47.599 Let's talk about it. 01:03:56.559 --> 01:03:59.519 Um now you want to see now. 01:03:59.599 --> 01:04:02.320 Um I correct me, correct me on their name. 01:04:02.480 --> 01:04:04.880 Is it sun or is it sun o? 01:04:05.199 --> 01:04:06.960 Because they always have this like O after it. 01:04:07.760 --> 01:04:08.159 Yeah. 01:04:09.119 --> 01:04:12.400 I don't know uh what the purpose of the O is. 01:04:12.719 --> 01:04:15.360 You know the tickets just say Sun. 01:04:15.679 --> 01:04:17.199 Okay, so I'm just gonna go with Sun. 01:04:17.519 --> 01:04:19.039 So you went to see Sun. 01:04:19.679 --> 01:04:20.719 Tell us all about it. 01:04:21.280 --> 01:04:21.760 Yep. 01:04:22.000 --> 01:04:32.559 Um that we went to see them in down in DC a couple weeks ago in a theater, a few thousand people. 01:04:32.960 --> 01:04:39.119 So Sun is this crazy band, and I forget where they're from, actually, but it's just two dudes on uh guitars. 01:04:39.599 --> 01:04:40.159 That's it. 01:04:40.480 --> 01:04:40.639 Okay. 01:04:41.039 --> 01:04:48.000 And they basically it's it's basically ambient guitar distortion noise. 01:04:48.400 --> 01:04:50.880 Is there any vocals at all or just strictly instrumental? 01:04:51.760 --> 01:04:52.800 No vocals at all. 01:04:53.599 --> 01:05:13.679 It's them dressed up in these ancient monks with the fucking hoods and um they come out on stage and they got smoke machines and they're surrounded by I think we counted each guy had seven or eight amp stacks. 01:05:14.079 --> 01:05:14.400 Whoa. 01:05:15.119 --> 01:05:16.159 And you know, I don't know. 01:05:16.239 --> 01:05:27.440 I I I turned to my friend and I was like, I don't think this is that typical thing, like when they have a wall of marshalls and only one of them is plugged in and the rest of them are all hollow boxes. 01:05:27.679 --> 01:05:28.559 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:05:28.880 --> 01:05:34.320 I said, I don't think that's happening here because this thing was so fucking loud. 01:05:34.480 --> 01:05:35.920 I've seen them before, right? 01:05:36.079 --> 01:05:40.000 And I kind of I think it was like 2008, 2009 when I seen them. 01:05:40.239 --> 01:05:45.360 And I remember them being so loud that they were handing out ear protection. 01:05:45.679 --> 01:05:46.800 You talked about that, yeah. 01:05:47.199 --> 01:05:47.360 Right. 01:05:47.519 --> 01:05:52.079 They didn't hand out any ear protection this time, so if you didn't bring any, you were SOL. 01:05:52.320 --> 01:05:52.559 Oh. 01:05:53.039 --> 01:05:54.800 And uh, but we had some. 01:05:55.199 --> 01:06:04.800 Um it's it's really it's a very strange show and uh This time they opened with this weird audio track that was playing. 01:06:05.280 --> 01:06:08.480 Um and it made my friend think that there was an opening act. 01:06:08.559 --> 01:06:11.119 He's like, shit, I guess there was supposed to be an opener. 01:06:11.519 --> 01:06:13.599 And I'm like, no, I don't think so. 01:06:13.840 --> 01:06:15.920 And it was just audio playing. 01:06:16.159 --> 01:06:17.360 And you know what it was? 01:06:17.599 --> 01:06:28.559 It was the this this thing, I forgot the the actual name of the tape, but it's a recording of a venom show from back in the 80s. 01:06:29.519 --> 01:06:41.440 And it's a show that took place at uh in Trenton in Trenton, New Jersey, called uh uh Trenton Gardens, which was a very, very famous punk venue that I never made it to. 01:06:42.639 --> 01:07:03.199 Um so apparently there was a Venom show there back in the 80s, and somebody took the full audio of the show and cut out all the music and strung together sections of Kronos' uh banter with with the crowd, with the other people in the band. 01:07:04.239 --> 01:07:08.320 Yeah, and it was just like everybody, do you want to go rock? 01:07:08.400 --> 01:07:10.239 Do you want to rock all the way to hell? 01:07:10.880 --> 01:07:24.079 You know, then you would hear and then before you know the guitars cut in, um they would uh switch to the next audio segment. 01:07:24.320 --> 01:07:25.280 Oh, weird, okay. 01:07:25.440 --> 01:07:34.320 And it lasted for like 10 minutes or so, and it was just like, what the hell are we sitting here listening to that was that that went on that long? 01:07:34.559 --> 01:07:35.280 Ten minutes. 01:07:35.679 --> 01:07:53.760 Because like I said, somebody thought it would be fun to string all these things together, and it's actually a um kind of well-known, very Kvault uh level uh, you know, if you if you're a true Venom fan, you know that this tape exists. 01:07:53.920 --> 01:07:54.480 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:07:54.800 --> 01:08:07.679 Where it's just his talking to the audience about evil shit and you know, drum, you know, different roles that he does to lead into songs or when the songs end, and it you know, it's like the space between the music. 01:08:07.920 --> 01:08:08.480 Right, right, right. 01:08:08.719 --> 01:08:13.119 Someone made this into its own recording, and that's what they played for the fucking intro. 01:08:13.199 --> 01:08:14.480 And I didn't know what it was. 01:08:14.639 --> 01:08:15.119 Oh my god. 01:08:15.440 --> 01:08:23.119 My uh my friend had a he recorded it with his

phone, uh, and like used whatever the app is called to figure out what something is. 01:08:23.279 --> 01:08:24.640 Oh, Shazam or something, yeah. 01:08:24.880 --> 01:08:29.279 Yeah, and and then said this is the very famous underground recording of blah blah blah. 01:08:29.439 --> 01:08:30.640 And he's like, dude, check this out. 01:08:30.720 --> 01:08:31.680 This is what we're listening to. 01:08:31.760 --> 01:08:33.920 I'm like, I don't know what this is, I've never heard of it. 01:08:34.079 --> 01:08:35.520 Oh my god, that's nuts. 01:08:35.760 --> 01:08:36.239 It was crazy. 01:08:37.039 --> 01:08:37.600 Started it. 01:08:37.680 --> 01:08:38.479 That's why. 01:08:39.039 --> 01:08:40.960 And uh so then that ended finally. 01:08:41.600 --> 01:08:49.600 Lights came down, and these two guys walk out on stage in the robes, and everybody's who and then it got fucking deathly silent. 01:08:49.760 --> 01:08:58.479 They put the guitars on, you could hear the hum after they, you know, turned on all the amps, and we're sitting there, and they both turned and faced the audience. 01:08:58.560 --> 01:08:59.680 You can't see their faces, right? 01:08:59.760 --> 01:09:02.640 Yeah, and they're just sitting there with the guitars, and all you hear is me. 01:09:05.359 --> 01:09:07.439 And then each one of them goes like this. 01:09:08.399 --> 01:09:11.600 And there's just imagine, and it's on it's on YouTube the show. 01:09:11.840 --> 01:09:20.159 If you Google Sun Washington DC from last week, and and for like 20 seconds, they're just standing there like this, and you could hear a fucking pin drop. 01:09:20.239 --> 01:09:29.279 It well, if the amps weren't humming, but and then they just went and you could feel it in your ass bone, man. 01:09:29.439 --> 01:09:30.560 Oh my god. 01:09:31.279 --> 01:09:35.279 And uh it was like having a visit to the fucking protocol uh proctologist, man. 01:09:35.439 --> 01:09:39.920 It was it really it touched you in that fucking special place. 01:09:41.039 --> 01:09:42.560 How long did they play? 01:09:43.119 --> 01:09:45.840 Oh, it was about 45 minutes, maybe to an hour. 01:09:46.159 --> 01:09:50.560 45 minutes of just like straight droning punishment and that's it. 01:09:50.960 --> 01:09:52.000 Oh, yeah. 01:09:52.319 --> 01:09:52.640 Yeah. 01:09:53.199 --> 01:10:16.000 Um, I think there was a couple of there was a couple of sections where they kind of stopped and then in a um had the synchronized part where they went boom boom, you know, it but otherwise it was just and the feedback, dude, the fucking guitar feedback, the amp feedback was just ungodly. 01:10:16.399 --> 01:10:25.439 The the shrill just and they would they would shape it so that they would walk up to the amp, they would walk in different spots. 01:10:25.920 --> 01:10:41.119 One guy would take his guitar and put it on, he held it on top of the fucking amp, pointed up towards the ceiling for like two minutes, just and you could feel you know, like when you're listening to a real loud sound and and it has like a vibration to it. 01:10:41.199 --> 01:10:42.319 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:10:42.640 --> 01:10:48.319 This vibration very, very slowly would slow down and speed up. 01:10:48.399 --> 01:11:05.199 So it'd be like one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, you just like fucking and I closed my I had my eyes closed for part of it because I was just fucking feeling the the vibe, you know? 01:11:06.000 --> 01:11:07.840 And it was it was insane. 01:11:08.000 --> 01:11:11.760 It was uh they were they're very good at what they do, and they have albums out. 01:11:12.159 --> 01:11:13.279 Is there any banter? 01:11:13.600 --> 01:11:16.079 Like, do they talk to the audience or is it just like sound the whole time? 01:11:16.159 --> 01:11:17.920 Just sound nothing, just sound. 01:11:18.000 --> 01:11:20.800 They don't they don't say hi, bye, thank you for coming. 01:11:21.039 --> 01:11:22.640 They just come out, do their thing, and leave. 01:11:22.720 --> 01:11:23.119 That's it. 01:11:23.279 --> 01:11:26.319 They came out when one guy went like this to us. 01:11:27.680 --> 01:11:28.399 That's it. 01:11:28.640 --> 01:11:29.039 Yeah. 01:11:29.279 --> 01:11:31.520 Uh I guess that's thanks for coming, you know. 01:11:31.760 --> 01:11:32.000 Okay. 01:11:32.960 --> 01:11:34.800 How big of a venue was this? 01:11:35.279 --> 01:11:37.119 Uh, it was the oh shit. 01:11:37.199 --> 01:11:40.880 I don't remember what theater in DC it was, but it was like a couple thousand people. 01:11:41.119 --> 01:11:41.520 No shit. 01:11:41.600 --> 01:11:42.640 Did they was it filled? 01:11:42.720 --> 01:11:43.840 Was it filled? 01:11:44.159 --> 01:11:44.880 Pretty much. 01:11:45.119 --> 01:11:45.920 No shit, really. 01:11:46.079 --> 01:11:52.000 They kind of I don't think it wasn't sold out, but okay, but still that's I'm impressed that they sell that many tickets. 01:11:52.239 --> 01:11:52.479 80%. 01:11:52.960 --> 01:11:56.239 Well, if they do that's that's crazy that it's that that they have that big of a following. 01:11:56.479 --> 01:11:58.000 Yeah, it's a real it's a real niche. 01:11:58.640 --> 01:11:59.760 Yeah, because it's such a niche. 01:11:59.840 --> 01:12:04.640 I mean, they're basically doing they did they do any leads, or is it just like uh chords? 01:12:05.600 --> 01:12:07.279 It's it's chord feedback. 01:12:07.760 --> 01:12:10.159 It's it's chords, it's single notes. 01:12:10.560 --> 01:12:14.800 Okay, um weird chord voicings, basically. 01:12:14.960 --> 01:12:22.399 Oh, okay, and you know, then they'll spend time, they'll like hit the guitar a little bit, okay, they get feedback more, right? 01:12:22.560 --> 01:12:29.600 Um, and it's a crazy amount of smoke is coming out on the stage, and

they're just enveloped and you know, shrouded by the all this smoke. 01:12:29.680 --> 01:12:32.640 It's very mysterious, and then the the crazy light show. 01:12:32.720 --> 01:12:34.560 Uh, you know, it's very, very enjoyable. 01:12:34.720 --> 01:12:35.439 Wow, cool. 01:12:35.600 --> 01:12:39.439 And you know, and it was a it was a a a sit-down show where we were not standing there. 01:12:39.680 --> 01:12:42.399 Oh, so everybody's sitting and so the whole crowd was like that. 01:12:42.479 --> 01:12:42.800 There's nobody. 01:12:43.199 --> 01:12:43.520 Oh, yeah. 01:12:43.920 --> 01:12:44.640 Okay, cool. 01:12:44.880 --> 01:12:46.640 Yeah, yeah, good time. 01:12:47.039 --> 01:12:47.600 Very cool. 01:12:47.760 --> 01:12:50.560 So keep an eye out for sun if you get a chance to see them live. 01:12:50.640 --> 01:12:55.199 Now their tour will be over by the time this you know happens, but uh keep an eye out for them for future shows. 01:12:56.079 --> 01:13:04.079 Uh I had the pleasure, of course, of going to check out Bleed from Within at the Hawthorne Theater last night and here in Portland. 01:13:04.159 --> 01:13:11.760 Uh they had three openers, uh Silos Silosis, Great American Ghost, and uh this band called Lifecycle. 01:13:11.920 --> 01:13:19.439 Um, I didn't see the first two, um, but but I caught uh Silosis and also, of course, uh Bleed from Within. 01:13:19.600 --> 01:13:20.880 Um yeah, amazing. 01:13:20.960 --> 01:13:23.600 If you get a chance to see them, go see them. 01:13:24.000 --> 01:13:27.840 Um like just fantastic band, super tight. 01:13:28.000 --> 01:13:30.479 They've been around for 22 years, which I didn't know. 01:13:30.720 --> 01:13:35.359 Um the singer, really interesting guy, uh a cool frontman, too. 01:13:35.520 --> 01:13:40.960 Lots of great energy, just great singer live, and just you know, great energies was ever when it was in everybody's face. 01:13:41.119 --> 01:13:45.680 He was crowd surfing at the end of the show, and oh wow, so yeah, yeah, he was it was a lot of fun. 01:13:45.920 --> 01:14:00.239 Um, I had my own experiences there where I was I was right up front for for believe it from within, and I'm standing there for a while and just enjoying myself, and all of a sudden, I'm standing there, and all of a sudden I get pulled back like this, and I'm like, What the fuck? 01:14:00.640 --> 01:14:12.000 So uh I was standing there right on the edge of the pit, and I guess these girls got knocked out of the pit and and they're drunk, and they were flying out of the pit, and instead of falling, they grabbed me. 01:14:12.239 --> 01:14:18.560 So they just I don't think they even knew what they grabbed, they just kind of grabbed my jacket and they pulled me down like this, and I was like, Whoa, like that. 01:14:18.720 --> 01:14:20.079 And then what the hell? 01:14:20.239 --> 01:14:27.039 And then I realized what was going on, and then as soon as they turn around, the the lead drunk girl she goes, You got me, right? 01:14:27.119

--> 01:14:30.239 You got me, and I was like, Sure, I got sure, I gotcha. 01:14:30.319 --> 01:14:31.439 Whatever you say, you're fine. 01:14:32.239 --> 01:14:44.960 Yeah, whatever you mean, and then they they spent about a good five minutes just kind of like grabbing my like my shoulder, just I think they were just trying to stay up like vertical, so that's all they were trying to do, and then they eventually wandered off, and then I was okay after that. 01:14:45.119 --> 01:14:49.920 But uh, so it's just one of those moments where you know they were molested. 01:14:50.319 --> 01:14:52.079 I got accustomed there for a minute, yeah. 01:14:52.319 --> 01:14:55.439 Um, but but it was interesting because the band was really cool. 01:14:55.600 --> 01:14:59.279 Believe it from within, they've been, like I said, 22 years, they're from Scotland. 01:14:59.520 --> 01:15:09.279 Um, they've been this is their first headlining tour, and they were just super so grateful that people were there and they knew the words, and it was packed, and they had a good show. 01:15:09.359 --> 01:15:24.319 And so yeah, the only thing I was disappointed by, uh, not in the band, but uh just just in something that they normally that when they're headlining, uh like I think in Europe and stuff, they have a couple more like backup singers, and they also have bagpipes, they come out and play bagpipes. 01:15:25.119 --> 01:15:26.560 And some of the songs have bagpipes in it. 01:15:26.640 --> 01:15:32.399 I was I was just like waiting for the bagpipes and no bagpipes, so that it's more of a strip down just the five of them, and that's it. 01:15:32.479 --> 01:15:35.439 But but uh if you get a chance, man, they shred, man. 01:15:35.520 --> 01:15:36.560 They're so good live. 01:15:37.199 --> 01:15:38.880 Man, I don't know any of that stuff. 01:15:39.119 --> 01:15:42.640 Oh, they're they're gonna be probably one of the bands I'll want to review for the future. 01:15:42.880 --> 01:15:52.720 So if you want a good suggestion, check it, check out either Zenith, which is their uh the album they're trying on right now, only the singer called it Zenith, but I guess he's gonna because he's from Europe. 01:15:52.960 --> 01:15:57.279 But uh but uh like look at that album, or also another one called Fracture. 01:15:58.000 --> 01:16:00.640 Because they've got a whole bunch of they've got a catalog out. 01:16:00.720 --> 01:16:02.159 Uh but Fracture is really good too. 01:16:02.239 --> 01:16:03.600 That's like an just an excellent album. 01:16:03.680 --> 01:16:06.560 But Zenith is amazing, just so good. 01:16:06.720 --> 01:16:08.479 So get a chance, go check them out. 01:16:08.960 --> 01:16:11.600 What kind of uh what do they sound like? 01:16:12.159 --> 01:16:18.560 They're in the if I had to put them in the neighborhood, I would put them in the same neighborhood as In Flames and uh Unearth. 01:16:18.960 --> 01:16:22.399 Okay, yeah, same, especially very unearthy. 01:16:22.640 --> 01:16:25.279 So yeah, I

put them in the same that would be a hell of a tour, actually. 01:16:25.600 --> 01:16:26.640 That's good metal, yeah. 01:16:26.720 --> 01:16:27.760 But very good metal, yeah. 01:16:27.840 --> 01:16:30.479 So but they're but think think like unearth or in flames. 01:16:30.800 --> 01:16:32.000 Okay, yeah, yeah. 01:16:32.159 --> 01:16:48.000 Um uh oh, and and one note about them the drummer was pulling double duty because he's also the drummer in Silosis, so he played a 40-minute opening set, and then he went to the headlining set for another hour and a half. 01:16:48.239 --> 01:16:51.600 Wow, oh my god, in insane shape, dude. 01:16:51.680 --> 01:16:58.800 Is like well, uh well, the singer was saying, Hey, and he kind of mentioned this, and they he's always out exercising, goes jogging and stuff like that because he's trying to stay in shape. 01:16:58.960 --> 01:17:00.800 He's been doing that for five weeks, man. 01:17:00.960 --> 01:17:02.399 Five weeks, they're not done yet. 01:17:02.479 --> 01:17:07.039 They've got uh they've got like I think until May or something till till they finish out this tour. 01:17:07.279 --> 01:17:13.439 Wow, but but yeah, that dude's like he's a machine, and he was like spot on, like they were just didn't miss a beat, man. 01:17:13.520 --> 01:17:16.159 Amazing even did a fucking drum solo. 01:17:16.239 --> 01:17:18.560 I'm like, you know how much more are you gonna get out of this guy? 01:17:18.720 --> 01:17:21.840 So it's just like then he did his solo, it's just like so. 01:17:21.920 --> 01:17:24.640 Yeah, he's a dude's a machine, so really good drummer. 01:17:24.800 --> 01:17:28.880 All right, so uh other news here in terms of other tours that are going on. 01:17:29.039 --> 01:17:34.159 Now, again, these will be kind of like happening or out by the time we talk about this, but hopefully you can see these bands. 01:17:34.319 --> 01:17:50.720 Um, baby metal is headlining on a tour with hailstorm opening, so that's happening, and then there's this big uh what's called Ripple Fest, which is like a stoner rock, uh Doom Rock kind of uh festival, and that's happening in Austin, Texas in September. 01:17:50.880 --> 01:17:56.720 And uh Yab, Dope Throne, Chemist, and Greenleaf are all among the bands that are playing that. 01:17:56.960 --> 01:18:04.000 So that's gonna be a big that whole thing is gonna smell like weed for like a 10-mile radius. 01:18:04.560 --> 01:18:12.560 So that's gonna be like that fucking soft park episode where they were making fun of the the the jam band festival. 01:18:12.800 --> 01:18:13.359 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:18:13.439 --> 01:18:13.680 Totally. 01:18:13.760 --> 01:18:14.000 100%. 01:18:14.319 --> 01:18:14.880 Yeah, 100%. 01:18:15.439 --> 01:18:18.720 And it was like infuriating to Cartman, and he wanted to kill them all. 01:18:18.960 --> 01:18:21.439 Well, yeah, and he brought they brought in Slayer to break it up. 01:18:21.600 --> 01:18:22.319 That's right. 01:18:28.159 --> 01:18:30.560 To quote them, hippies hate death metal. 01:18:30.800 --> 01:18:31.439 Yes, that's right. 01:18:35.199 --> 01:18:35.520 That's fun. 01:18:35.600 --> 01:18:36.880 Yeah, it's close enough. 01:18:38.319 --> 01:18:41.039 So but they're yeah, that was hysterical, but yeah, it's like that. 01:18:41.119 --> 01:18:42.880 So only with like you know, stoner bands. 01:18:43.039 --> 01:18:44.399 So nice, yeah, in Austin. 01:18:44.640 --> 01:18:45.439 Uh, that should be fun. 01:18:45.520 --> 01:18:47.600 That should that's gonna be a that should be a good show. 01:18:47.840 --> 01:18:55.520 Um, twisted sister have announced their first dates with Sebastian Bach this September and October. 01:18:55.840 --> 01:18:56.159 Okay. 01:18:56.720 --> 01:18:57.920 Will you go see that? 01:18:58.159 --> 01:18:59.439 Would you go see that? 01:19:00.319 --> 01:19:02.159 Uh I don't know. 01:19:02.239 --> 01:19:04.960 I mean, if it was convenient, maybe I'd think about it. 01:19:05.279 --> 01:19:07.039 I'm not a big Twisted Sister fan. 01:19:07.119 --> 01:19:08.880 I wasn't a big Skid Row fan. 01:19:09.039 --> 01:19:10.000 Yeah, same here. 01:19:10.159 --> 01:19:21.119 Um, but uh you know, if I if I knew somebody who was going, yeah, and it was just over in you know, over the river in Philly somewhere, then I'd be like, all right, fine, I'll just go and I'll watch. 01:19:21.439 --> 01:19:23.119 Yeah, curious, yeah, yeah, curiosity. 01:19:23.279 --> 01:19:26.399 Yeah, I actually do like the first two or three Twisted Sister albums. 01:19:26.479 --> 01:19:28.800 Like, you know, you can't stop Rock and Roll is a really good album. 01:19:29.119 --> 01:19:30.560 So there's some good albums in there. 01:19:30.640 --> 01:19:34.960 I'm just kind of curious what I keep trying to imagine what he sounds like with their music. 01:19:35.119 --> 01:19:37.439 Like trying to go, I'm not gonna take it and stuff like that. 01:19:37.520 --> 01:19:42.560 I mean, you know, it's gonna be, I don't know, it's gonna be hard to fill the shoes of D Snyder. 01:19:42.800 --> 01:19:45.119 I mean, he also he was on Broadway. 01:19:45.279 --> 01:19:47.920 Who he was an actor on Broadway, Sebastian Bach. 01:19:48.159 --> 01:19:48.720 Was he really? 01:19:48.800 --> 01:19:49.359 I didn't know that. 01:19:49.520 --> 01:19:54.319 Uh well on Broadway, either Broadway or an off-Broadway production. 01:19:54.399 --> 01:19:57.520 I don't remember which, but he was in some kind of production like that. 01:19:57.760 --> 01:19:58.159 Oh shit. 01:19:58.239 --> 01:19:58.720 I didn't know that. 01:19:58.800 --> 01:20:01.920 No, in part because of his amazing vocals. 01:20:02.239 --> 01:20:03.359 He can sing, no doubt. 01:20:03.760 --> 01:20:10.479 So yeah, I'm just kind of curious how how he fits into the and his voice fits into that musical mold, you know what I mean? 01:20:10.720 --> 01:20:13.760 Yeah, uh I'm sure we'll see plenty of video for it. 01:20:14.000 --> 01:20:18.720 Yeah, and then I saw that Dimmerborger is uh

playing a limited run in the US. 01:20:18.880 --> 01:20:22.720 I'm very pissed because they're not coming here, but this is gonna be a hell of a show, man. 01:20:22.960 --> 01:20:33.039 Dimmerborger, hypocrisy, who doesn't come here that often, and I'm a huge fan of them, suffocation, yeah, and Halder in August. 01:20:33.199 --> 01:20:35.279 That's gonna be dude. 01:20:35.920 --> 01:20:38.159 That's an amazing run. 01:20:39.199 --> 01:20:40.720 And it's still Peter Tackrin, right? 01:20:40.800 --> 01:20:42.239 With hypocrisy, it totally is, yeah. 01:20:42.319 --> 01:20:43.439 Oh, yeah, it's Peter, yeah. 01:20:43.520 --> 01:20:45.840 Yeah, that's he is hypocrisy. 01:20:46.000 --> 01:20:46.800 Uh, pretty much, yeah. 01:20:46.880 --> 01:20:49.119 I follow him on on uh like Instagram stuff. 01:20:49.199 --> 01:20:52.399 I used to work with them, so it just like yeah, I love that band. 01:20:52.640 --> 01:20:53.840 Huge fan of hypocrisy. 01:20:54.000 --> 01:20:56.159 Yeah, but they never tour here though. 01:20:56.239 --> 01:20:58.800 So that I'm pissed because they're not gonna come here. 01:20:58.880 --> 01:21:03.359 I they might be, I'm thinking they're gonna they're gonna hit your area though, New York or something. 01:21:03.520 --> 01:21:04.479 I'll have to look it up. 01:21:04.640 --> 01:21:05.600 You should look that up, yeah. 01:21:06.000 --> 01:21:07.279 It's gonna be an awesome show. 01:21:07.439 --> 01:21:08.960 Yep, it's gonna be a hell of a show. 01:21:09.199 --> 01:21:12.640 Uh also Dimma Borger uh set up this thing in October. 01:21:12.720 --> 01:21:14.399 I think it's around Halloween they're doing this. 01:21:14.560 --> 01:21:16.399 They're doing this big thing in Norway. 01:21:16.479 --> 01:21:22.159 They're calling it like this sort of like this major like Super Bowl event, like level style event in Norway for the black metal bands. 01:21:22.399 --> 01:21:27.920 Yeah, it's Dimaborger, Enslaved, and uh who else is the other band? 01:21:28.079 --> 01:21:32.079 Enslaved and shit. 01:21:32.159 --> 01:21:33.439 Um is it immortal? 01:21:33.600 --> 01:21:34.079 It's something. 01:21:34.239 --> 01:21:34.720 Let me see. 01:21:34.800 --> 01:21:35.199 What is that? 01:21:35.279 --> 01:21:36.079 No, it's not immortal. 01:21:36.159 --> 01:21:36.640 Is it Emperor's? 01:21:36.800 --> 01:21:37.680 It's not this member, is it? 01:21:38.159 --> 01:21:39.199 No, it's not this member. 01:21:39.279 --> 01:21:40.079 I love this member. 01:21:40.239 --> 01:21:44.880 No, um it's I forget who else is is doing that. 01:21:45.920 --> 01:21:52.399 Oh, it's uh Yeah, they're also touring with Behemoth and Dark Funeral, so they're doing a European thing there for that. 01:21:52.720 --> 01:21:56.800 But then they're doing this big show for October. 01:21:58.159 --> 01:22:01.840 Uh and they're they're they're making it like this really major event in Norway. 01:22:02.000 --> 01:22:04.479 So oh yeah, uh, hold on, where the hell is it? 01:22:04.640 --> 01:22:07.199 Um give me a second. 01:22:07.279 --> 01:22:07.840 Oh, there it is. 01:22:08.000 --> 01:22:11.039 Yeah, they're calling it the Unholy Halloween. 01:22:11.920 --> 01:22:14.720 It's uh it's at this big stadium in like Norway. 01:22:14.960 --> 01:22:17.439 Wow, yeah, and it's gonna be this really major event. 01:22:17.520 --> 01:22:17.920 Damn it. 01:22:18.000 --> 01:22:20.079 Of course, now it doesn't say who's all who's on it. 01:22:20.239 --> 01:22:24.800 Um yeah, sorry about that, but it's a yeah, I forget what the what the what the lineup is. 01:22:24.880 --> 01:22:25.199 Damn it. 01:22:25.359 --> 01:22:27.119 Man, they got some true fans over there. 01:22:27.279 --> 01:22:30.079 Big home, yeah, home country. 01:22:30.800 --> 01:22:31.600 Oh, huge, yeah. 01:22:31.680 --> 01:22:32.239 They're huge. 01:22:32.319 --> 01:22:33.600 Well, they're huge in Europe too. 01:22:33.760 --> 01:22:36.079 In stand hall, so they're there, they're they're well. 01:22:36.159 --> 01:22:41.600 They're playing like um when they're torn, they're doing like the London O2 uh stadium and stuff. 01:22:41.680 --> 01:22:43.199 They're they're big places. 01:22:43.279 --> 01:22:44.960 Yeah, it's a huge stadium in Europe, man. 01:22:45.039 --> 01:22:49.279 And in New Zealand, yeah, it's actually Dimmelborger, Satiricon, and Inslaved. 01:22:49.680 --> 01:22:50.239 That was the other one. 01:22:50.319 --> 01:22:51.680 Yeah, Satiricon was the other band. 01:22:51.840 --> 01:22:56.640 So yeah, they're doing that big show in Norway, and it's like it's being built as it's like because there's like a triple headliner. 01:22:56.720 --> 01:22:57.680 So with all three. 01:22:58.000 --> 01:22:59.039 That's gonna be a huge deal. 01:22:59.199 --> 01:23:00.640 Oh, that's gonna be a monster deal. 01:23:00.720 --> 01:23:07.439 Yeah, that's uh they're kind of stating it as like the biggest black metal sort of band ever put together, so or event ever put together. 01:23:07.600 --> 01:23:10.720 So, which yeah, so they'll fill a lot of seats with that. 01:23:10.960 --> 01:23:11.359 They will. 01:23:11.439 --> 01:23:12.159 They're good live. 01:23:12.239 --> 01:23:12.640 I've seen them. 01:23:12.720 --> 01:23:14.640 I've actually well, I used to work with them too. 01:23:14.880 --> 01:23:19.039 Um, a little ego there, but so but aside from that. 01:23:19.359 --> 01:23:25.600 Well, when we were working with them, uh they were touring in the US, and I was working for nuclear blast at the time. 01:23:25.760 --> 01:23:30.880 This back in 2001 or something, and um uh the the the office was in Philly. 01:23:30.960 --> 01:23:42.000 So when I went when I was working for for nuclear blast, and um we had this thing where the singer wanted to get leather pants, and we were like, Okay, South Street, yeah, we're yeah, exactly. 01:23:42.079 --> 01:23:51.119 It was a South Street, and he's like, No, I want to go to New York by to buy to buy leather pants, and we're like, No, you don't need to go to New York to

buy the pants, you can just get them in South Street. 01:23:51.199 --> 01:23:57.119 He was giving us all this shit about it, and we're like, Look, dude, you it's an hour and a half away, you got to show in two hours. 01:23:57.359 --> 01:24:02.000 This is not happening, so yeah, no, so we had to like you know, spank him a little bit and put him in his place. 01:24:02.239 --> 01:24:12.399 Oh, for Pete's sake, yeah, they act like rock stars because they're well, because they were used to in Europe being treated like rock stars because they are rock stars there, but then they come over here and they're doing clubs, yeah. 01:24:12.560 --> 01:24:20.159 So they don't have that same level of like you know, of like uh pull and influence that where they can kind of just ask for and get whatever the hell they want. 01:24:20.399 --> 01:24:23.520 So you know, so I always treated bands whenever I was in charge of them. 01:24:23.680 --> 01:24:25.359 I always treated them like anybody else, man. 01:24:25.439 --> 01:24:31.119 I did not treat them like rock stars, I treated them like people, and if that's right, babies, I treated them like babies, yeah. 01:24:31.279 --> 01:24:31.760 Yeah, yeah. 01:24:31.840 --> 01:24:36.239 So he was one of the guys who were like, no, you can't go to New York. 01:24:37.119 --> 01:24:40.159 We'll go to South Street, get your pants, but no, you can't go to New York. 01:24:40.319 --> 01:24:41.439 The math ain't mathing. 01:24:43.520 --> 01:24:48.479 Yeah, it's just so funny how sometimes these guys, and we have an upcoming episode where we're gonna talk about riders. 01:24:48.800 --> 01:24:55.520 So yeah, so I have that planned as one of the up as one of the episode topics, like talking about band writers and how they get a little outrageous. 01:24:56.000 --> 01:24:56.960 Oh, okay, yeah, yeah. 01:24:57.039 --> 01:24:58.479 So fun, fun stuff there. 01:24:58.720 --> 01:24:58.960 Cool. 01:24:59.119 --> 01:24:59.359 All right. 01:24:59.439 --> 01:25:02.560 So, did you have any other news as far as live events or anything else? 01:25:02.880 --> 01:25:03.760 No, okay. 01:25:03.920 --> 01:25:08.239 No, I got the Triumph concert coming up, but by the time this episode airs, when is that? 01:25:09.520 --> 01:25:12.560 May 20 something, dude. 01:25:12.640 --> 01:25:14.239 You gotta talk about that when it happens. 01:25:14.479 --> 01:25:15.039 Oh, definitely. 01:25:15.199 --> 01:25:16.560 Oh, I can't wait to hear about that. 01:25:16.720 --> 01:25:17.600 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:25:17.760 --> 01:25:21.760 I I just hope that Mike Levine shows up the bass player that's supposedly in ill health. 01:25:22.000 --> 01:25:25.119 Oh no, I thought he was I thought he was with touring with them. 01:25:25.199 --> 01:25:26.239 They have a replacement for him. 01:25:26.319 --> 01:25:26.880 I didn't know that. 01:25:27.039 --> 01:25:29.039 Yeah, for for a lot of the shows. 01:25:29.199 --> 01:25:32.239 I think they said he was gonna try to make some of the shows. 01:25:32.479 --> 01:25:33.039 Oh, is that right? 01:25:33.119 --> 01:25:37.279 I didn't know, but it's basically like, and it's several people, it's not just oh I know it. 01:25:37.359 --> 01:25:42.479 I I know they have a band band kind of supporting them, so yeah, besides Ring Rick Emmett and the drummer. 01:25:42.640 --> 01:25:47.760 Yeah, so yeah, they have Phil X on on the guitar. 01:25:48.079 --> 01:25:48.399 Okay. 01:25:48.800 --> 01:25:54.079 So like you know, he's he's actually like basically playing backup guitar to Rick. 01:25:54.319 --> 01:25:55.039 Right, right, right. 01:25:55.119 --> 01:25:58.399 Yeah, and then they have uh some dude playing guitar, I don't know who it is. 01:25:58.640 --> 01:25:59.279 Who's playing bass? 01:25:59.760 --> 01:26:00.479 Guitar uh bass. 01:26:00.640 --> 01:26:10.159 Yeah, who oh you don't know who it is, okay if I can find a triumph for 2026. 01:26:13.119 --> 01:26:13.680 Let's see. 01:26:20.159 --> 01:26:26.479 Schedule tickets opening act of set list uh members. 01:26:27.279 --> 01:26:28.880 Now I'm now I'm curious. 01:26:30.319 --> 01:26:38.159 It's uh Brent Fitz, Todd Kearns, and Phil X will all be a part of the Triumph Tour lineup. 01:26:38.560 --> 01:26:39.359 That name I do know. 01:26:39.520 --> 01:26:40.640 Brent Fitz, I do know. 01:26:40.720 --> 01:26:42.239 I forget who he played with though. 01:26:43.039 --> 01:26:46.399 So it'll be well there's also a second drummer. 01:26:46.479 --> 01:26:47.279 One of them is a drummer. 01:26:47.600 --> 01:26:47.920 Is that right? 01:26:48.000 --> 01:26:48.960 They're doing two drummers now. 01:26:49.119 --> 01:26:49.680 I'll be damned. 01:26:50.000 --> 01:26:50.159 Okay. 01:26:50.479 --> 01:26:55.279 So it'll be like this, they're gonna do like switching back and forth between Gil Moore and the other drummer. 01:26:55.359 --> 01:27:01.279 There might be something where there's they're both playing like you know, you used to have at the fucking dead show or some yeah, yeah, gotcha. 01:27:02.319 --> 01:27:03.840 But uh is there an is there an opener? 01:27:04.159 --> 01:27:05.920 Is there another band playing with them? 01:27:06.239 --> 01:27:07.600 Uh April Wine? 01:27:07.760 --> 01:27:08.159 No shit. 01:27:08.319 --> 01:27:09.279 April wine's opening. 01:27:09.359 --> 01:27:09.680 Awesome. 01:27:09.840 --> 01:27:10.960 I don't know anything about them. 01:27:11.119 --> 01:27:12.880 What you don't know April Wine? 01:27:13.119 --> 01:27:16.640 If you watched MTV in the 80s, you would know April Wine. 01:27:16.800 --> 01:27:17.680 Uh you would think so. 01:27:18.159 --> 01:27:18.560 Look them up. 01:27:18.640 --> 01:27:19.199 No, look them up. 01:27:19.279 --> 01:27:22.720 The minute you maybe I do, and it's you're gonna be like, Oh, I totally know all their shit. 01:27:22.880 --> 01:27:28.880 I'm telling you, you'll know them because they were all over MTV uh at around the 80s and stuff. 01:27:28.960 --> 01:27:32.720 So you would I'm I guarantee you, you will know some of their music. 01:27:32.880 --> 01:27:34.319 So, but they're good, you'll like them. 01:27:34.399 --> 01:27:37.039 They're very good uh a guitar by guitar band. 01:27:37.119 --> 01:27:37.680 Yeah, cool. 01:27:37.840 --> 01:27:41.199 They got a very 70s vibe, so yeah, I would definitely take a listen to them. 01:27:41.279 --> 01:27:42.239 Yeah, good band, really good band. 01:27:43.119 --> 01:27:44.880 Yeah, like I said, you'll like the guitar stuff in it. 01:27:44.960 --> 01:27:46.640 Um, that's his opening. 01:27:47.119 --> 01:27:48.560 That's that's gonna be a good show, dude. 01:27:48.720 --> 01:27:49.600 I'm looking forward to it. 01:27:49.760 --> 01:27:50.640 It's gonna be good, yeah. 01:27:50.800 --> 01:27:56.399 All right, well, then that will wrap us up for another episode of Distortion Analysis. 01:27:56.640 --> 01:27:57.600 Episode 10. 01:28:04.720 --> 01:28:05.760 Thank you for joining us. 01:28:06.079 --> 01:28:07.199 Twitch Truck Podcast.