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00:00:00 Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us. 00:00:01 Speaker 2: Thursday edition of the program. That means Kyle Shanahan with Dirty Work Today. Latest on Steph Curry. Originally a couple of weeks. And they are still going to check on Steph in a couple. But Sham Sharani is saying that it's probably going to be closer to a month. So can the Warriors survive? 00:00:16 Speaker 1: We'll ask Dirty Work. 00:00:19 Speaker 3: What's up, gents? No, they can't survive. 00:00:21 Speaker 4: No, man, no. 00:00:22 Speaker 5: It's over. 00:00:26 Speaker 3: Did you say over? No, nothing is over until it's over. 00:00:30 Speaker 5: This is the problem, though, with having a 38-year-old. 00:00:32 Speaker 3: Forget it, he's rolling. He's on a roll. 00:00:34 Speaker 5: I'm a zit, get it? 00:00:42 Speaker 1: I gave my love a cherry. 00:00:45 Speaker 3: It's funny, dude. 00:00:46 Speaker 1: We can do those all day. We can do Animal House all day. 00:00:48 Speaker 5: That's like my dad. That's his era and his generation. It was funny. Once my parents broke the seal on letting me see... Oh, rated R movies. I was still Derek. Like the first one I got really, the first time I saw like nudity on screen was like American pie. I told Derek, I was like with my mom and I, that's a good one. I like cross my legs. What's up mom? 00:01:08 Speaker 3: See what's going. 00:01:09 Speaker 1: On over here. 00:01:11 Speaker 6: Yeah. 00:01:12 Speaker 2: Your first, your first like, uh, sexual or nude scene with, uh, yeah. with your parents sitting by you is so uncomfortable. I think mine was like, Debbie does Dallas. 00:01:21 Speaker 3: No, I'm just kidding. 00:01:22 Speaker 2: But my gosh, man. 00:01:25 Speaker 3: Mine gets a big thing of popcorn, please. 00:01:28 Speaker 5: What's funny is like once they saw that, and my parents got divorced, so there was always like a competition. You know this, John, about like, you know, who can be the cooler parent. 00:01:35 Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. I know it very well. Or they just take it. Derek knows what I'm talking about. 00:01:40 Speaker 5: Or they just take advantage of, like, oh, that's bad parenting by the others. 00:01:43 Speaker 7: I literally had this conversation with my father last night when we were talking about the movies he took. 00:01:47 Speaker 3: Me to when I was a kid. That you shouldn't have been able to see. 00:01:49 Speaker 7: I saw Dumb and Dumber, like, literally in the theater when I was three years old. 00:01:51 Speaker 3: Yeah, hell yeah. I was a baby just walking the aisles. He was like, look at these two. Jim Carrey, Jeff Daniels, best friends. 00:01:55 Speaker 6: Yeah, dude. 00:01:56 Speaker 5: Dude, how about this? I was like 12. Knowing Christmas is ridiculous. Derek, get back in your seat. I was like 12. My dad's like, dude, you saw American Pie with your mom? And he's like, well, check this out. I got Porky's for. 00:02:05 Speaker 6: You right here. 00:02:06 Speaker 5: Oh, yeah, Porky's. I was like, that doesn't fly, dude. I'm thinking back on Porky's. I'm like, what are we doing here? 00:02:11 Speaker 6: Yeah. 00:02:11 Speaker 5: What the hell's going on? 00:02:13 Speaker 3: Well, dude, I mean. 00:02:13 Speaker 5: Are we doing this? 00:02:14 Speaker 3: Yeah, Animal House was like the original go-to for. 00:02:16 Speaker 5: Kim Cattrall, though. 00:02:17 Speaker 7: Yeah, Kim Cattrall was pretty good in that. I never watched the sequels, though. Never saw Porky's Revenge or Porky's Dream. Porky's 2, The Search for Porky's Gold. 00:02:26 Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. 00:02:27 Speaker 7: No, but Animal House is the one that everybody goes to because it was obviously classic. 00:02:31 Speaker 3: John Belushi. But you know what's hilarious? Oh, yeah. Actually, again, last night, my father's talking about. 00:02:36 Speaker 7: He was referencing JFK, the movie with Kevin Costner. And he was like, what's that one speech that the guy from Animal House gives in JFK? And I was like, there's a guy from JFK that was in Animal House? And I was like, well, it's got to be Kevin Bacon. Everything goes back to Kevin Bacon. It all comes back to Bacon. And he goes, no, there's another guy. I'm like, there's another guy that was in both Animal House and JFK. And he goes, Donald Sutherland. And I was like, oh, actually, yeah, he is. 00:02:58 Speaker 5: Good call. Good knowledge, buddy. 00:03:00 Speaker 7: So apparently there's a speech in JFK with Donald Sutherland, but I don't remember the movie very well, JFK. 00:03:05 Speaker 2: I'll have to go back. But yeah, Donald Sutherland was a professor in Animal House. He smoked a bunch of weed. 00:03:12 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it. He got with his girl. Yeah, exactly. 00:03:15 Speaker 2: The scene in Animal House that you keep rewinding is the devil and the angel. That was the one where it was like, whoa. 00:03:23 Speaker 1: And your parents are looking at you like, no, I shouldn't have watched this with you. I got to go. 0.0. 00:03:29 Speaker 5: That's the best, man. That's a comedy, right? 00:03:32 Speaker 3: Yeah, sure. Hero laughs. Oliver Stone, he was funny. 00:03:38 Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, he loves funny stuff. 00:03:40 Speaker 3: Real funny guy, that Oliver Stone. 00:03:41 Speaker 5: I saw a note the other day talking about how bad Fernando Mendoza's going to have it going up against Seattle this week, and somebody tweeted out, like, dude, JFK had more protection in Dallas. 00:03:48 Speaker 3: Than Fernando's going to have against. 00:03:50 Speaker 5: I was like, Jesus, dude. 00:03:51 Speaker 3: They're not wrong, dude. They're not wrong. 00:03:53 Speaker 5: It's coming up 10 days from the anniversary, dude. 00:03:55 Speaker 8: 11-22-63. 00:03:58 Speaker 5: Wow. 00:03:59 Speaker 3: Who had it worse, JFK or Mendoza? 00:04:01 Speaker 5: Anyway, KBR, who had more protection, JFK and Dallas or Mendoza against the Seahawks? Oh, my goodness. 00:04:06 Speaker 1: That's rough. 00:04:06 Speaker 3: Pretty good riff. 00:04:07 Speaker 4: Yeah.

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That is a good riff. 00:04:08 Speaker 3: It is going to be rough for Mendoza, yeah. 00:04:10 Speaker 6: Woo. Yeah. 00:04:11 Speaker 3: But to answer your question, no, the Warriors will be fine with you, actually. 00:04:14 Speaker 5: Okay. 00:04:15 Speaker 1: Lead the way. Score 15. 00:04:18 Speaker 3: It's not as bad as in. 00:04:19 Speaker 7: The past where they had Kaminga and he just wanted to put up a good box score. Like, no, this is where Yaxel's an impactful player. So they'll lose some games, obviously, and they might revert back to what we thought they were going to be by the beginning of the season. 00:04:30 Speaker 3: But I still think they can, like, you know, be. 00:04:33 Speaker 7: a play-in team it just matters how long step's going to be out and when you tear your oblique that's going to be a long injury but at least this happened at least this happened near christmas and not towards you know april or you know the time we're actually playing playoff games. 00:04:46 Speaker 2: Yeah it's the nba is weird right now there's so many guys especially in the west that are injured now and then like okc and minnesota's got edwards and the lakers are having a little bit of a thing like there's so many guys out now it's just really weird no it is weird you know And speaking of, I mean, they start against San Antonio on the road. 00:05:01 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not going to be easy. 00:05:03 Speaker 3: No, not at all. 00:05:03 Speaker 2: Hi, he's their number one scorer. That would be Victor Wambanyama that's going to hang out with that guy. 00:05:09 Speaker 5: That's going to be tough. 00:05:10 Speaker 3: Did John Candy's in JFK? 00:05:12 Speaker 4: He is? 00:05:13 Speaker 5: I'm looking at the cast right now. Did I forget about this? 00:05:15 Speaker 3: Pesci pops up, too. Dude, the cast is unbelievable. John Candy. 00:05:18 Speaker 5: Gary Oldman plays Lee Harvey Oswald. I mean, it's an incredible. 00:05:21 Speaker 3: Oh, he's so good. 00:05:21 Speaker 5: You get Costner, you get Jim Garrison, you get Gary Oldman, Tommy Lee Jones, Donald Sutherland, John Candy, Jack Lemmon is in it. 00:05:28 Speaker 3: Forgot about that. Kevin Bacon. 00:05:29 Speaker 5: Pesci's in it. 00:05:30 Speaker 3: What a cast, dude. 00:05:30 Speaker 6: Yeah. 00:05:31 Speaker 3: What a cast. I had no idea. 00:05:32 Speaker 5: Sissy Spacek. He's in it too, yeah. Anybody else from Animal House we're not even thinking about? I think we've named all the Animal House crossover from JFK. The Venn diagram that hits JFK. 00:05:41 Speaker 8: Yeah, exactly. 00:05:42 Speaker 3: Amazing. 00:05:43 Speaker 5: It's an amazing cast. Who would have thought there would be a connection? Dude, the six degrees, man, at Kevin Bacon. You can go one degree there. That's incredible. That's why there's so few degrees to get to him. Exactly. How quickly can you get to Bacon, John? Seriously, six degrees at Kevin Bacon. How quickly can you get there? How many steps right now? 00:06:03 Speaker

6: Oh, man. 00:06:03 Speaker 3: I mean, almost. Well, you got to have a starting point for him. 00:06:06 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean. 00:06:06 Speaker 5: I mean, it's just... No, it's not. It's just how do you connect six degrees? 00:06:09 Speaker 1: You should be able to. 00:06:10 Speaker 5: You can connect yourself to a person within six degrees. Six connections is the thing. I can do it in like three. My dad interviewed Gary Oldman... for that movie, Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy. 00:06:22 Speaker 6: Okay. 00:06:22 Speaker 5: Gary Oldman is in JFK with Kevin Bacon. That's three, that's right there. 00:06:26 Speaker 3: Wow. That's right, that's that quickly. 00:06:28 Speaker 5: So how quickly, I mean, now that means that you both are one further away, because you know me, who knows my dad, who interviewed Gary Oldman. That's what I'm saying, is how many can you get to in your. 00:06:36 Speaker 2: Well, I'm trying to think of, because we've had a lot of actors on the show, and I'm just trying to think if I could just go, like. 00:06:42 Speaker 1: I'm trying to think. Has Glenn Powell been in a movie with Kevin Bacon? 00:06:45 Speaker 8: He has. 00:06:46 Speaker 3: Weren't they in Maverick? 00:06:47 Speaker 6: No. 00:06:48 Speaker 1: Was Kevin Bacon in Maverick? No, he probably wasn't. 00:06:50 Speaker 3: No, I think so. 00:06:51 Speaker 5: Glenn Powell was probably in a movie where somebody was in a whiff. Well, that's what I mean. So you've interviewed Glenn Powell? 00:06:55 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, when we were in Miami for the ill-fated Super Bowl against the Chiefs, they were supposed. 00:07:00 Speaker 1: To have that movie come out, but then. 00:07:02 Speaker 4: That's right. 00:07:03 Speaker 5: You pushed it. 00:07:03 Speaker 2: But then the pandemic happened, so it was Glenn Powell, and then the co-star, why am I blanking on him? 00:07:10 Speaker 5: He's a huge star. 00:07:10 Speaker 2: It was Glenn Powell. He wasn't even the biggest star in it. It was Miles Teller. Miles Teller was on, so Miles Teller had to have done something with Kevin Bacon. I'm trying to think, but I can't think. 00:07:20 Speaker 3: Is Kevin Bacon in the new one, Top Gun Maverick? 00:07:23 Speaker 1: I thought he was. 00:07:23 Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought. 00:07:24 Speaker 8: No, no, no. 00:07:24 Speaker 3: It's Jon Hamm. Jon Hamm's in it. 00:07:26 Speaker 6: Oh, maybe. 00:07:27 Speaker 1: Okay, maybe that's it. 00:07:27 Speaker 7: By the way, Otis Day is in JFK. 00:07:30 Speaker 6: Yeah. 00:07:30 Speaker 4: No, I'm kidding. 00:07:31 Speaker 8: No way. 00:07:31 Speaker 3: I'm kidding. 00:07:31 Speaker 8: Get out of here. 00:07:32 Speaker 3: Otis, my man. I know, exactly. He was on the Grassy Knoll. 00:07:36 Speaker 5: Okay, well, is Kevin Bacon in the remake of Footloose? 00:07:40 Speaker 6: No. 00:07:40 Speaker 5: Because Miles Teller's in Footloose, the remake. Okay. 00:07:44 Speaker 2: I've got to have a director, and I'm trying to think, because I know that we've got other

actors on the show. 00:07:48 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to think. 00:07:48 Speaker 4: Costner. 00:07:49 Speaker 5: That's the point, right? 00:07:50 Speaker 3: Oh, we had Costner? 00:07:51 Speaker 1: We had Costner on in New York. 00:07:52 Speaker 5: Then you're two. So you're John to Costner. You interviewed Costner, and Costner was in JFK with Bacon. 00:07:57 Speaker 9: Right. 00:07:58 Speaker 3: There you go. 00:07:58 Speaker 5: It's that simple. 00:07:59 Speaker 3: That's what I mean. 00:07:59 Speaker 5: You just have to connect yourself to somebody that can connect to somebody. 00:08:02 Speaker 9: Oh, okay. 00:08:02 Speaker 1: I got you. 00:08:03 Speaker 5: That's the six degrees of Kevin Bacon. 00:08:05 Speaker 3: That's it. 00:08:05 Speaker 1: We've got other ones on. 00:08:06 Speaker 5: I've got to think. That's a pretty good one. Tim, can you do it? I'm sure you can. I mean, I'm separate from the one I just gave you. 00:08:11 Speaker 3: Tim leaped up. He's ready for this. 00:08:13 Speaker 2: We're working on one right now because we know Tom Tolbert, who was in Like Mike. 00:08:16 Speaker 3: Now we're trying to make. 00:08:17 Speaker 1: The Like Mike connection to Kevin Bacon. 00:08:20 Speaker 8: Hold on. 00:08:20 Speaker 3: Hold on. How can we connect Like Mike to Kevin Bacon? Like Mike. Who's in Like Mike? Who else is in Like Mike? I think Bala and Bacon crossed paths. I don't know about that one. You got Eugene Levy. He was in it. Chris McGlover. Who's the coach, though, that was in Like Jackie Brown? What's his name? Robert, uh, something for Forrester Forrester. 00:08:39 Speaker 6: Okay. 00:08:39 Speaker 3: Robert Forrester. What else was he in? 00:08:41 Speaker 6: Dude. 00:08:42 Speaker 3: Crispin Glover is in like, like. 00:08:43 Speaker 5: I forgot. 00:08:44 Speaker 1: I don't know who that is. 00:08:45 Speaker 5: Uh, yeah, you do. He's a Marty McFly's dad. He's George McFly. 00:08:48 Speaker 3: Oh yeah. Oh, he's creepy. He's creepy. Thin man in the, uh, in the remake of Charlie's angels. 00:08:53 Speaker 6: Gotcha. 00:08:54 Speaker 4: Oh, gotcha. 00:08:54 Speaker 3: Gotcha. Gotcha. 00:08:55 Speaker 8: Okay. 00:08:55 Speaker 3: So Robert Forrester, I want to say he was also Wagner here. 00:08:58 Speaker 8: Yeah. 00:08:58 Speaker 5: I also, okay. 00:08:59 Speaker 7: I think he was in the breaking bad movie, El Camino, whatever the hell that was called. 00:09:04 Speaker 5: Um, Which, by the way, if you're going El Camino, Jesse Plemons also in Like Mike. 00:09:09 Speaker 9: Oh! 00:09:09 Speaker 5: He's the other little kid in Like Mike, Jesse Plemons. 00:09:11 Speaker 6: Yeah. 00:09:11 Speaker 7: I don't know if I can make a connection to Kevin Bacon. 00:09:14 Speaker 5: That's going to be a tough stretch. I bet you can within six. Within six, you can probably do it. It's probably not that complicated. I think that I've had somebody on that was in the same movie as him. The point of that is you can connect yourself. Within six degrees to anybody is that point. 00:09:30 Speaker 3: Yourself? 00:09:31 Speaker 5: You can connect any two people. That's the theory of the six degrees of Kevin Bacon. Any two people can be connected by six or fewer degrees. 00:09:39 Speaker 3: Any person? I thought it was just actors. Maybe it's actors. 00:09:43 Speaker 5: I think the point is you can do it. I mean, that's just a good decision. 00:09:46 Speaker 3: Can Ron, your landlord, be connected to Kevin Bacon? Probably, dude. 00:09:49 Speaker 5: All right. You know how I know? Because Ron is in the opening credits. Dude, Ron, my landlord, is like a... He's like Forrest Gump in his life. Dude, the guy's been all over the world. 00:09:57 Speaker 3: He's an architect. 00:09:58 Speaker 5: He helped design. Oracle Park or helped build Oracle Park or whatever. But he is in the opening scene of Hawaii Five-0, in the original Hawaii Five-0 TV show. Dude, there's a scene of some guy sitting in a boat, and it's my landlord, Ron, and somebody else. Just on a little boat like in Hawaii. So how does that get to Bacon, though? I don't know, but I'm saying once you get into TV, now it's easy. 00:10:18 Speaker 7: Well, Hawaii Five-0 was kind of a knockoff of Miami Vice, and I believe Kevin Bacon guest starred on Miami Vice. 00:10:23 Speaker 5: My point is we can make the connection. Once you're into that realm. 00:10:25 Speaker 3: It's easy. 00:10:26 Speaker 5: What do you got, Tim? 00:10:26 Speaker 3: Okay, so Jesse Plemons was in Like Mike, right? Yeah. Jesse Plemons and Kevin Bacon are both in Black Mask. 00:10:33 Speaker 4: Dude! 00:10:33 Speaker 3: That's right! So we know Tom Tolbert. 00:10:36 Speaker 5: We know Tom Tolbert. Who was in like Mike, who Jesse Plemons was also in like Mike. Now that's three. 00:10:45 Speaker 6: Yeah. 00:10:45 Speaker 5: And Jesse Plemons was in black mass with Kevin Bacon, four degrees away. 00:10:49 Speaker 3: Not bad. Pretty good. 00:10:50 Speaker 9: All right. 00:10:50 Speaker 3: Through Tom Tolbert and like Mike. That's pretty impressive. 00:10:52 Speaker 5: I don't think we're going to get there. 00:10:54 Speaker 3: Pretty impressive. Anyway. 00:10:55 Speaker 5: That's where we're at. Six degrees of bacon, dude. 00:10:58 Speaker 2: I was just looking this up to see. Yeah, you guys nailed the one that I have. The closest I am is JFK in 91 because we had Costner on and Bacon and Costner. 00:11:07 Speaker 5: It's the six degrees of separation, I guess, is what it's called. 00:11:10 Speaker 3: Six degrees of Kevin Bacon. 00:11:11 Speaker 5: It's a trivia game where any actor, that's it, any actor can be linked to Kevin Bacon through shared film experiences in six steps or fewer. It's based on the six degrees of separation. A concept was created in 1994 by three Albright College students that suggests you can connect yourself to anybody or two different people within six degrees. 00:11:28 Speaker 10: Okay. 00:11:28 Speaker 6: All right. 00:11:28 Speaker 3: Interesting.

That's crazy. There you go. 00:11:30 Speaker 6: Love that. Wow. 00:11:31 Speaker 3: All right, boys. 00:11:32 Speaker 5: That was fun. 00:11:33 Speaker 3: Yeah, sure. 00:11:34 Speaker 1: That was very nice. 00:11:36 Speaker 3: Have a great show. 00:11:37 Speaker 1: Enjoy Kyle Shanahan. What else is going on? Anything else that we need to know about? 00:11:41 Speaker 7: We'll be talking about Steph, and we'll see if we can make a connection from Kyle Shanahan to Kevin Bacon. 00:11:44 Speaker 5: We probably can. How about Mason Marksman? Mason Marksman of the Sharks joins us today as well, and we'll go out to Dallas with our buddy Joseph Hoyt, Dallas Cowboys beat writer for the Dallas Morning News. 00:11:54 Speaker 6: Very nice. 00:11:58 Speaker 2: I very much enjoyed that. I'm going to have to look up some more stuff like that. They're coming up right now. Continue to listen right here. They'll give you Kyle Shanahan. We're talking sharks, all sorts of great stuff. It is Dirty Work, and it is right now only here on Esports Leader. 00:12:10 Speaker 6: Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, sir. 00:12:13 Speaker 3: He's lean, he's mean, he's 13. Goodbye! Okay, the fun's over. 00:12:20 Speaker 11: They've done the dirty work of the radio business. 00:12:23 Speaker 4: Anybody messes this thing up for me tonight is through. 00:12:26 Speaker 11: Engineering. Board operating and producing. 00:12:29 Speaker 3: Not only are you fired, your life is over. 00:12:32 Speaker 11: And now they have the microphone. 00:12:35 Speaker 3: What could go wrong? Nobody messes up. You understand me? Don't mess up. 00:12:41 Speaker 11: Adam Copeland. 00:12:42 Speaker 3: You wanted some sort of like hard-hitting Bob Lee journalism. 00:12:45 Speaker 5: You came to the wrong place. 00:12:46 Speaker 11: Derek Papa. 00:12:47 Speaker 8: Oh, boy. 00:12:47 Speaker 6: Okay. 00:12:48 Speaker 3: It's getting hot. Is it getting hot there? That's even worse. 00:12:50 Speaker 5: How are we feeling? 00:12:51 Speaker 3: It's getting hot. Oh, boy. 00:12:52 Speaker 11: It's a dirty job, but someone's got to do it. 00:12:55 Speaker 3: Ridiculous. Completely ridiculous. 00:12:58 Speaker 11: Welcome to Dirty Work. KNBR 104.5 and 680. The Sports Leader. 00:13:07 Speaker 5: It's Dirty Work on a Thursday afternoon. Adam Copeland, Derek Papa, Danny Dunn with you as soon as... Tim Webb gets his ass out of the chair. We've got a full show for you today with you until 6 o'clock, and it is a good one at 3 o'clock or in the 3 o'clock hour, right about 3, 315. 49ers head coach Kyle Shanahan joins us for his weekly conversation. We'll talk about his brand-new toy and Keenan Allen, how much we'll see him this week. Sounds like Debo's trending in the right direction. It sounds like Debo is. Still no Mike Evans. Still no Mike Evans at practice today. 00:13:32 Speaker 3: And Debo and Ronald Green not at practice again today. 00:13:36 Speaker 5: Yeah, Bode's not well for those two guys. 00:13:38

Speaker 3: Well, we'll see. 00:13:39 Speaker 7: We'll see what their designation is tomorrow, but they're going to need those guys. 00:13:42 Speaker 3: Again, they can win this game without them. 00:13:44 Speaker 7: It's going to be a track meet where CeeDee Lamb and George Pickles will be wide open for most of the game, but I feel confident that Kyle Shanahan can put up some points against this Cowboys defense. 00:13:52 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm with you on that. So Kyle Shanahan at 3 o'clock today. Mason Marchment of the San Jose Sharks joins us at 415, and then at 450, Joseph Hoyt, Cowboys beat reporter for. 00:14:01 Speaker 3: The Dallas Morning News. Yeah, Bay Area guy. On the Cowboys. 00:14:04 Speaker 5: I just saw this note, and I was throwing these at you, because I get these NFL ref stats sent to me in a pack from this Twitter account every week, and one of the keynotes going into this game is that the Cowboys, while their defense is terrible, it's the most penalized defense as well in all of football. However, their offense has benefited more from first down penalties than any other team in the NFL, so It can be a track meet. It's also a defense that can get themselves into trouble in addition to just getting beat. They're shooting themselves in the foot, and they're not getting stopped. Especially when their own players in street clothes are running on the field. 00:14:34 Speaker 3: That's a tough deal. Yeah, overshown, just jumping on the field like that? What the hell is that? 00:14:38 Speaker 5: That's a penalty right there. 00:14:39 Speaker 7: I'll say this, and we'll talk about it later. The biggest advantage the 49ers have in this game is coaching. the Cowboys are not fundamentally sound whatsoever. And when Jerry Jones comes out and says, oh, there's no correlation between paying a head coach top dollar winning Super Bowls, yeah, maybe there isn't. But there is a correlation in winning games and having good coaching. And I bet you that Jerry Jones would love to have Kyle Shanahan. So we'll talk about that later on, but... There might be a little discrepancy as far as the talent without Mike Evans this weekend. 00:15:10 Speaker 3: There's a lot of talent on the Cowboys. They're not playing to their full potential. 00:15:13 Speaker 7: They're a bad football team, but it really is the coaching that will separate both the 49ers and the Cowboys. 00:15:19 Speaker 5: Dude, Jerry Jones will never have a coach like Kyle Shanahan. I can't imagine he is ever going to have a coach like Kyle Shanahan. 00:15:26 Speaker 3: He's stuck in the ways of Al Davis. Agreed. 00:15:29 Speaker 7: And part of this too, just real quick, part of it is you have to respect coaches in this league. 00:15:33 Speaker 6: Yeah. 00:15:33 Speaker 5: And part of it too, dude, is remember, we've talked about this a lot with Kyle and John. Kyle was your first. and then John was accepted by Kyle Champ. 00:15:40 Speaker 3: Yeah, of course. When Jerry is both the owner and the

GM, it's never going to happen. 00:15:44 Speaker 12: No. 00:15:44 Speaker 5: Because he's going to be the guy in charge, or it'll be his son when he's no longer there. 00:15:49 Speaker 3: It was Steven. Is that his name? Steven. But Steven actually knows personnel pretty well. 00:15:53 Speaker 5: I don't disagree. I think the problem I'm having is owner slash GM– with head coach, where if everybody answers to you in all facets, is he ever going to give somebody the power that Kyle Shanahan has that Andy Reid seems to have? 00:16:05 Speaker 3: No, he didn't give it to Bill Parcells, who's coach of the team. 00:16:07 Speaker 5: That's exactly my point. So he can say he doesn't believe in that philosophically or that... He can pick the right guy. He's also cheap. He doesn't want to spend on a coach. But that's just so damn ignorant. Does he want to win? Or does he want to be the guy? He wants to be the guy at the. 00:16:22 Speaker 4: Top of the mountain. 00:16:22 Speaker 3: But he also would like to lose at the same time. 00:16:25 Speaker 5: He already did it with Jimmy Johnson. 00:16:27 Speaker 3: You know what I mean? 00:16:27 Speaker 5: He's already done this. 00:16:28 Speaker 7: He'd rather lose and have those press conferences where he brings everybody, Jane Slater and everybody that covers the Dallas Cowboys, and just to say, like, well, my coach, you know, can't get it done once again. I'm not going to fire anybody, but I'm also not going to pay top dollar for someone to come in. So it's ridiculous when you have great coaches in this league like Kyle Shanahan or Ben Johnson. I'll even throw Sean McVay in there where if you're going to win, you need guys at that level or not even like, you know, play callers, CEO types. I'm sure Mike Tomlin, if Bill Parcells, sorry, if Jerry Jones wasn't so hands-on as an owner, would coach the Dallas Cowboys. Be such a pain in the ass that guys are turned off by that job. Nevertheless, I'll talk about it later how... the reason the Niners are going to win this game is because of the coaching. And yes, they have good players and they're talented, but it really is because Kyle Shanahan runs circles around the Dallas Cowboys coaching staff. 00:17:15 Speaker 5: 5-3-0, Jake's in, says, dude, I'm going to be very glad when this game gets here. I've had enough to hear with all the twang talking manure. Okay. 00:17:22 Speaker 3: We're talking manure. We're talking. We're talking glory holes, baby. 00:17:25 Speaker 5: We're talking Cowboys in here. talking cowboys. What show was he in again? 00:17:31 Speaker 3: Landman. 00:17:31 Speaker 5: Landman. Yeah, dude, that was funny that he put himself in Landman. A couple people checking in, by the way, on the face-off here. 415, because we were talking about movies that we saw too young. 00:17:39 Speaker 3: Kevin Bacon. 00:17:40 Speaker 5: Well, 415 checks in, says, my mom brought me to see The Exorcist when I was 12. That's a little much. 00:17:45 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd say

so. 00:17:46 Speaker 5: Scary stuff was not what my parents did. 00:17:47 Speaker 3: It was more just wrong. No, yeah, I can't. 00:17:50 Speaker 7: Even today, I can't sit through a movie that's going to be all gory and whatnot. 00:17:53 Speaker 3: I mean, gory is one thing, but like, you know, spooky. 00:17:55 Speaker 5: That was creepy as hell. 00:17:56 Speaker 3: Yeah, like jump scares. Like, no, I'm good. I want to be entertained. 00:17:59 Speaker 5: That'd be fine, yeah. 00:18:00 Speaker 3: I'm not like Danny. 00:18:02 Speaker 5: Yeah, well, Danny wants the gore. 00:18:04 Speaker 3: Yeah, he wants the demented gore. He wants Winnie the Pooh cutting people up. Yeah, he wants blood. 00:18:08 Speaker 5: By the way, Danny. 00:18:09 Speaker 3: And honey. You brought it up to me earlier. Danny rocking his Friday the 13th shirt today. 00:18:12 Speaker 6: Yeah. 00:18:13 Speaker 9: Yeah. 00:18:13 Speaker 3: Do you endorse? On Thursday the 12th. On Thursday the 12th in November. We're not going to see Danny tomorrow. Danny's out. 00:18:18 Speaker 7: So he's wearing that shirt today. But he also said he doesn't want to be too on the nose with the shirt. 00:18:23 Speaker 5: You have a Friday the 13th shirt and you decided not to wear it on Friday the 13th. 00:18:27 Speaker 6: Yeah. 00:18:27 Speaker 5: Raising awareness for it today. 00:18:28 Speaker 3: Raising awareness. Thank you, dude. People got to know, man. 00:18:31 Speaker 5: People need to know what's going on tomorrow. What are you doing tomorrow? 00:18:33 Speaker 3: Why are you off? Going to a bachelor party in Santa Rosa. 00:18:37 Speaker 5: Dude, Bachelor Dan? 00:18:38 Speaker 3: Yeah, man. 00:18:39 Speaker 5: Hell yeah, dude. It's a weekend long thing or just tomorrow, Danny? 00:18:42 Speaker 3: A weekend-long thing. 00:18:43 Speaker 5: How many fellas are going? 00:18:46 Speaker 3: I think about 10. Oh, that's a good amount. All right, so... Wow, dude, Danny's going on a... I did not know this was a thing. 00:18:53 Speaker 5: Danny's going on a 10-man bachelor party trip, and they're renting a house together up in Santa Rosa. 00:18:57 Speaker 4: Beautiful. 00:18:58 Speaker 5: I mean, do you expect to get after it, Dan? Is this going to be like an empty-the-tank kind of weekend? 00:19:02 Speaker 3: We'll see. Are you going to bring the Dr. Schatz costume? No, I'm not bringing the Dr. 00:19:08 Speaker 5: Schatz costume. 00:19:09 Speaker 3: Why not? 00:19:09 Speaker 10: Uh. 00:19:13 Speaker 5: Do you know what's on the... That was a ridiculous question. 00:19:16 Speaker 3: Why not? 00:19:16 Speaker 5: You know why not. Do you know what's on the schedule for this weekend, Dan? Is it going to be anything like the bachelor party that Derek went to up in Portland where he spent time going to coffee shops? 00:19:25 Speaker 3: Remember that? 00:19:26 Speaker 5: You wanted to have some fun. It was just like hanging out and checking out bookstores and stuff. 00:19:30 Speaker 7: It's known for strip clubs and stripper-oke, but we went to go get some books and donuts. 00:19:34 Speaker 3: Derek wanted to go to stripper-oke. 00:19:35 Speaker 5: But I'm not suggesting all that debauchery, Dan, but what are you expecting on this trip? I'm not sure of the itinerary yet, and I think that the rain, like you were talking about earlier, might throw a wrench into some things, but uh yeah i don't know we might might head over to grayton it's like a that's a great yeah good good idea on you that'll be a good place to go all right do i know the the gentleman whose party this is no you have not this is not him okay that's not who i thought it might have been oh okay i know one of danny's good buddies and he is getting married too next year oh beautiful i thought maybe this was it but not the case anyway dan we'll talk more about this and your shirt, then it's ill-placed timing. Adam Copeland, Derek Papa, Danny Dunn hanging out with you. Who are we getting tomorrow without Dan? 00:20:10 Speaker 3: I think it's Raph. Hell yeah, dude. I could do a Raph on a Friday. 00:20:13 Speaker 6: Come on, bro. 00:20:13 Speaker 5: Hey, come on, bro. Get ready for the Bears, bro. 00:20:15 Speaker 3: Come on, bro. No, it's different than Edgar. Come on, man. 00:20:17 Speaker 6: Hey, no. 00:20:17 Speaker 5: Hey, come on now. 00:20:18 Speaker 3: Come on now. No, he's a come on now. Raph's a hey, come on, bro. Yes, that's right. 00:20:23 Speaker 6: Sorry. 00:20:23 Speaker 3: I screwed it up there. 00:20:24 Speaker 5: Come on now. 00:20:24 Speaker 3: And if I know Raph, he already has a Scott picked out for tomorrow. I bet he does. 00:20:28 Speaker 5: Adam Copeland, Derek Popham. 00:20:28 Speaker 3: I'll ruin his day with the playlist. 00:20:29 Speaker 5: Danny Dunn with you on a Thursday afternoon. We got plenty to get to. Kyle Shanahan joins us in less than an hour at 3 o'clock. Mason Marchment of the San Jose Sharks. at 4.15, and then Joseph Hoyt of the Dallas Morning News covers the Cowboys joining us at 4.50+. We got a $ 50 Tony's Pizza gift card to give away. We got Danny's Double Dips and a full show for you. What we don't have is Steph Curry for the foreseeable future. This doesn't mean a two-week injury. This means he will be re-evaluated in two weeks, and then at that point, they'll tell us We'll reevaluate again in about two weeks. I anticipate that's the way this is going to go. The Warriors lose in Houston last night, but Yaxel Landenborg outscores Kevin Durant and then gets a lot of praise from the future Hall of Famer. Do we have confidence in Yaxel to take over with Steph out for at least two weeks? 00:21:14 Speaker 3: We'll talk about that next. 00:21:15 Speaker 5: Dirty Work on a Thursday, only here on Esports Leader. 00:21:18 Speaker 8: Now back to Dirty Work with Copes and Depop on 104.5 FM and 680 AM, the sports leader. 00:21:28 Speaker 10: Curry did get knocked down a couple times. Don't know if anything happened before that shot we just showed you that

led to that, but obviously some concerns. for the Warriors as Curry leaves five and a half minutes in and his team already down by nine. 00:21:48 Speaker 5: I mean, concern is high, but I have no idea the extent of the injury. 00:21:53 Speaker 8: When did it happen? 00:21:53 Speaker 3: I don't know. 00:21:54 Speaker 5: I mean, he was out there for five minutes, so I just saw him holding his side and tried to get him out as quickly as I. 00:22:05 Speaker 9: Could. 00:22:05 Speaker 5: Steve Kerr, after the game last night, Warriors fall to the Houston Rockets, 115-108, ends their Eight-game winning streak, but really what everybody's concerned about here is Steph Curry now. The bigger story here is Steph Curry leaving the game after five minutes. Called it discomfort in his hip, and then today Shams Charania from ESPN tweets out that it's a tear in his oblique and he'll be reevaluated in two weeks. I would say to everybody, this is par for the course for how the Warriors handle injuries that are not super short-term, day-to-day type injuries. They've been doing this for over a decade with Steph Curry specifically. Anytime there's been an injury, and it's really a smart PR way to go about it. Because in football, you need more updates and you know if it's a long-term injury based on IR. And if a guy's not placed on IR in football and you have IR spots, it's reasonable to continue to ask, well, is he limited? Is he practicing? Is he going to play this week? Because it's a week-to-week thing. Basketball obviously is a much different slate of schedule and a different rate at which you play. It's also different when an injury is announced in baseball because in baseball you might go, ah, that pitcher's out with an oblique and he's on the 10-day IL or he's on the 7-day concussion injured list or whatever it is. And then if he goes on the 60-day, you go, okay, this is a long-term or potentially a season-ender. You know it's going to be a bigger period of time. Basketball, there's no list like that. It's not like you're calling somebody up immediately from the minor leagues to take that place. So the way the Warriors have gone about this with Steph, among others for years, has been we'll reevaluate in two weeks. Then you get to the two-week mark, you ask again, they go, we're going to reevaluate in two more weeks. We'll reevaluate in 10 days. We'll reevaluate in two weeks. They'll keep pushing the two weeks until they're ready for an update that says, yeah, we think he's going to ramp up activity or he practiced today or whatever it is. So this is par for the course. But I would tell everybody, two weeks to me is not the injury timeline. 00:23:45 Speaker 6: No. 00:23:46 Speaker 5: And that is not what they said. They've said they will reevaluate in two weeks, which means we won't get an update on Steph for a couple of weeks. 00:23:51 Speaker 7: No, we'll get an update two weeks, like as far as like where he's along and everything, but he's not going to be

cleared to play like two weeks away from Thanksgiving. So we're eating our mashed potatoes and gravy. It'll be like, yeah, Steph Curry probably not going to play the rest of this calendar year. And that's what I would look at. Like when you look at, you know, their schedule, I would say probably look at like maybe January 2nd or January 6th against the Knicks when Steph Curry could come back. 00:24:14 Speaker 3: But this is. 00:24:15 Speaker 7: unfortunate because they were playing so well. And I anticipated them losing last night, but it was good to see them competitive with Yaxel and keep them in the game, scoring more points than Kevin Durant and Kevin Durant, giving him praise after the game. And this was where we knew that Steph Curry was going to miss games. You know, he's 38 years old. There was going to be nights where he's going to rest. And that's where Yaxel needs to step up in the non-Steph games, but now it's going to be the non-Steph months possibly here. So it's, I feel better about this situation than previous years. Like last year when he was gone for, I don't remember how long, but he's dealing with the knee swelling or whatever the injury was. And it's like, all right, well, poor Zingas isn't going to save the day here. We don't even know if he's going to play. So it was just where the season got boring. It's not boring though, with the axle as a golden state warrior. So however long it may be, this is where they're probably gonna lose some games and we'll revert back to reality where, you know, we thought the expectations were going to be, but also we expected the axle to to have a presence on this team, but not the one he's having right now. So if he could pick up the slack and show that he's rookie of the year, then maybe this team stays afloat. Again, like, I don't know if they're going to be a top contender with Steph, but if they can win some games without Steph Curry and Yaxel shows us what he's capable of, then I feel better about, you know, previous teams where I didn't think Kaminga was capable of that or any of these other guys. It's where pods needs to step up. It's where all these guys need to step up coming off the bench now. 00:25:31 Speaker 5: This is also one of these injuries, dude, that apparently just based on like brief Internet research, it's one of these injuries that is about it happens in degrees. 00:25:40 Speaker 6: Right. 00:25:40 Speaker 5: There's a degree of the injury that can be strained, sort of like we talk about with, you know, a second degree high ankle or whatever it is. Those things could take longer. So it's across the board. We don't know the severity of this injury. We just know it's been reported as an oblique tear. which can take anywhere from two to six weeks in mild cases. Moderate to severe cases can take anywhere from six to eight or even three to six, depending on the extent of the injury. I feel like if it were that severe, they might've indicated that or they could indicate that

going forward that he's going to be like, if they, if they thought this was a really severe one, they wouldn't say we'll reevaluate in two weeks. 00:26:12 Speaker 2: Right? 00:26:12 Speaker 5: They might think this is a two- to six-week injury. I just think if it was a three- to six-month, they probably don't say. 00:26:17 Speaker 3: We'll reevaluate in two weeks. Right. 00:26:19 Speaker 5: I would err on the side of it's not severe just based on context clues, but we don't have a ton of information about this, and it is a wide range based on the severity and the degree of the injury for how long he could be out. Again, this is a big test, this road trip. It's a five-game roadie. We talked yesterday. Draymond had pegged it at three and two. Everything changes when Steph gets hurt. He's the anchor of this thing, man. I mean, they only play one back-to-back on this road trip, so I thought they'd have him for four of these five games. Now you've got him for five minutes in the first one, and it's going to be an uphill battle because you still won't have everybody on the back-to-backs. You still won't have Draymond. You still won't have Horford playing both games of the back-to-backs. So a lot changes without Steph because it's not just that you're missing him. You still won't have some of the other supporting cast as well. 00:27:00 Speaker 7: And it's a new injury for Steph Curry. He's never had an oblique issue. So this is where they might be overly cautious. And even last year, it was always, you know, like we thought Steph was coming back this game or that game and they kept pushing it back and pushing it back. So that could be the case. This is not, I mean, it's unfortunate, but is it surprising? 00:27:15 Speaker 8: No. 00:27:15 Speaker 7: Like at this point, Steph is going to get banged up and he has been injury prone through these, you know, these last few years of his career. 00:27:20 Speaker 3: So, It's where can you actually step up right now? 00:27:24 Speaker 7: And I, I do feel confident that he's more than capable of keeping this team still in playoff contention or in the plan around, you know, anywhere from where they currently at, like the fifth seed to, you know, being a 10th seed right now, it's just, it's going to take a lot more and he'll grow up a little bit more. He'll be thrown in the fire. It'll be good for him, but also you want Steph Curry around. So we'll see when he comes back, but this is not kill the golden state warriors hopes of making the playoffs. 00:27:48 Speaker 8: No. 00:27:48 Speaker 5: So the next two weeks, what you were pointing out until Thanksgiving, Again, to your point right now about it doesn't kill their hopes, thank God for the eight-game win streak. It's a cushion that they were able to build. So let's call it, let's say it's a two-week injury. Let's say he's back in two weeks, to your point. I think that's optimistic. Let's say that's the case. That's six more games. That's Spurs on the road, Pelicans

on the road, Mavs and Grizzlies. Those are the four that we talked about in addition to Houston on the road. Then they're home for the Celtics next Sunday and then the Kings. Those would be the next six games. The question is, what would you need or want the record to look like in those six without Steph to make you feel pretty good? I'm going three and three. I'd feel okay at three and three. 00:28:25 Speaker 3: I'll come out of that. 00:28:26 Speaker 7: I'll be reasonable with the opponents they're playing. I would say they lose to San Antonio tomorrow. You should beat new Orleans. Cause Jordan pool just wants to come to your team right now. And actually maybe not a bad acquisition right now. 00:28:36 Speaker 5: If that were on the table for them to acquire them in some capacity, that would be a great supplant for Stefan. 00:28:40 Speaker 7: I'm thinking about that just on the spot right now. Um, they could lose back to back to Dallas and Memphis. They'll probably lose the boss in a week from now. They should beat the Kings or just a mess. 00:28:49 Speaker 3: So I'm saying two and four. 00:28:51 Speaker 6: Yeah. 00:28:51 Speaker 5: I mean that, but that's, but that doesn't make you feel good. I'm saying it doesn't make you feel good. I'm just being realistic about what's going on right now. They go 500 in the next six. I'm feeling like, okay, they've been able to weather the storm in some capacity. 00:29:00 Speaker 6: Yeah. 00:29:00 Speaker 3: But then like, you gotta look at the games after that. 00:29:02 Speaker 7: Like they're two weeks from now, they'll be in Portland on a Friday night and they take the Clippers on, they take Utah on at home. That's maybe games they should win. So it's going to be where Yaxel has to grow up fast here. And he has, he's been great, but now he has to be the leader of the team, which is asking a lot. 00:29:17 Speaker 6: Of a rookie. 00:29:18 Speaker 5: Uh, 808 came to our 415-808-5627 number to call and text your level of confidence with Yaxel on the roster. I mean, if he weren't here, we're not doing what he's doing. I think we'd all just be like, well, here's the bottom. I mean, this would be exactly the fear that we had coming in, but he is here and he is making an impact and it is a chance for him to develop more without Steph. 00:29:35 Speaker 7: But they're still watchable, where last year it was just so painfully boring to watch the Warriors without Steph Curry. There was a lot going on, obviously, the other injuries of Jimmy Butler and Moses Moody. At least Yax will keep us entertained. 00:29:46 Speaker 3: I totally agree. 00:29:47 Speaker 5: As my uncle texted me from the game last Saturday and said, hey, can you try to make Yax-cellent a thing? 00:29:53 Speaker 3: Make Yax-cellent a thing? Yax-cellent. Oh, Yax-cellent. 00:29:57 Speaker 8: Uh. 00:29:57 Speaker 3: You just tried. 00:29:58 Speaker 5: I didn't try. I just said. 00:30:00 Speaker 3: Did he succeed? 00:30:01 Speaker 5: Yeah. Danny, what do you think? 00:30:04 Speaker 3: Where's Danny? 00:30:04 Speaker 5: I didn't try to use it in a sentence, though. 00:30:06 Speaker 3: Because it would have been hokey. 00:30:08 Speaker 5: I had to set it up. 00:30:09 Speaker 3: Do you like Yaxalint, Dan? 00:30:11 Speaker 6: I don't know. 00:30:12 Speaker 3: I need to hear Fitz say it on a broadcast. Okay. All right. 00:30:14 Speaker 5: My uncles, Daryl and Adam, were at the game on Saturday, and they texted me. 00:30:17 Speaker 3: You have an uncle named Adam? I do. 00:30:19 Speaker 5: Interesting. 00:30:20 Speaker 4: Yaxalint. 00:30:21 Speaker 6: Yeah. 00:30:21 Speaker 5: What up, Adam Kleinberg? 00:30:23 Speaker 9: Yeah. 00:30:25 Speaker 5: You like that, dude? 00:30:26 Speaker 3: Part of the tribe? 00:30:26 Speaker 5: Part of the tribe, dude. 00:30:27 Speaker 3: Hell yeah. 00:30:28 Speaker 5: And my Uncle Adam, dude. What's up, Unc? 00:30:30 Speaker 3: And my Uncle Daryl. They texted me. And Daryl's a halfie like me. Okay. 00:30:38 Speaker 6: You know. 00:30:38 Speaker 5: I love them both. Anyway, they texted me. They're there, dude. They sent me a photo of themselves together at the game the other night. 00:30:43 Speaker 9: Nice. 00:30:43 Speaker 5: They were together at the game. Very cool. And he says, they were asking if I was there. 00:30:46 Speaker 4: I said, I'm not. 00:30:46 Speaker 5: He said, Daryl wants you. My Uncle Adam said, Daryl wants you to make Yaxcellent a thing. And I said, I'm kind of upset I didn't think about that. And he said, that made his day. And he said, except when he found out that you weren't coming to the game. And then my uncle Daryl texted me and he said, like that right there, a Yaxl and dunk after when he threw down. 00:31:01 Speaker 3: That's not bad. It's not bad. 00:31:02 Speaker 5: It's not bad. 00:31:03 Speaker 6: Yeah. 00:31:03 Speaker 3: It's good for a game. 00:31:04 Speaker 4: It's fine. 00:31:05 Speaker 6: Yeah. 00:31:06 Speaker 3: I don't know if that's a catch-on. It's not Ron Ture. No, it's not Ron Ture. 00:31:09 Speaker 5: It's not Philadelphia. 00:31:10 Speaker 4: It's not. 00:31:12 Speaker 3: I think that's the best one by far. There's no denying, dude. There's no denying. It's really come on strong. You know, for years... Actually, not for years. 00:31:19 Speaker 7: How long was Kelly Oubre on the Warriors? 00:31:21 Speaker 11: One? 00:31:21 Speaker 3: Like a season? 00:31:22 Speaker 5: One season. 00:31:22 Speaker 9: Okay. 00:31:23 Speaker 3: Well, years ago, I was hoping Tim Roy would have the call, Kelly Oubre, how do you do, Bray? It never happens. I don't know. How do you do Bray? I like that. I think, I think I tweeted it out. Kevin Dana was like, I'll mix it in one. 00:31:38 Speaker 5: What you need is that, uh, Kevin Dana said, what you need is for Tim Ryan to get in on that. Cause Tim Ryan loves that stuff. 00:31:44 Speaker 3: He does love that stuff. 00:31:44 Speaker 5: When he dropped the, I am digging what Duggar is, what he said,

digging what Duggar did or something like that. 00:31:50 Speaker 3: Did he say that on Sunday? He had a Dig Dug reference. Shout out Dig Dug. Great video game. 00:31:54 Speaker 5: That is true. A great arcade game. 00:31:55 Speaker 6: 808 KMBR 415-808-5627. 00:31:58 Speaker 3: Where are you coming down on Yaxalant? Kyle Shanahan joined us in about 20 minutes. We'll ask him. 00:32:01 Speaker 5: When we come on back, John Lynch was on the KMDR morning show. By the way, revealed that they did look at Garrett Wilson. 00:32:08 Speaker 3: Is that right? Is there a report out there? Well, that's from Rich Cimini from the Jets. Rich Cimini reporting that they did. 00:32:13 Speaker 7: That would be a bombshell from John Lynch. They were in on Josh Downs. 00:32:15 Speaker 5: Sorry, they were in on Josh Downs until Kyle, I guess, said he was interested in or asked about Keenan Allen. 00:32:20 Speaker 3: It seemed more reasonable. 00:32:21 Speaker 5: Seemed more reasonable. So that's an interesting one. But the report on Gary Wilson is also an interesting one, too. 00:32:25 Speaker 3: We'll get to that a little later. 00:32:26 Speaker 5: We'll talk about that a bit later this afternoon. John Lynch on the morning show. We'll let you hear from that from him next. And then Kyle Shanahan in about 20 minutes at 3 o'clock. Dirty work Thursday on the Sports Leader. 00:32:38 Speaker 8: You found Dirty Work with Adam Copeland and Derek Papa, where no job is too dirty on KNBR, the sports leader. 00:32:50 Speaker 5: Dirty Work Thursday afternoon. Adam Copeland, D-Pop, Danny Dunn with you. Kyle Shanahan joins us in about 20 minutes or so, right around 3 o'clock for his weekly conversation. John Lynch joined the KMBR morning show today with Murph and Marcus. By the way, they had Barry Switzer on today, too. How about that? 00:33:06 Speaker 3: Pretty cool. Kind of called him out yesterday saying he wasn't a very good coach. Did he say anything about that? Did he mention you? You know, I heard this son of a bitch, Derek Papa, and let me tell you. 00:33:14 Speaker 5: He's like, he said that wasn't my team, huh? He compared me to Seifert? Is that what he did? 00:33:18 Speaker 3: Whoa, hold on. Seifert, much better coach. I totally agree with you. Should be in the Hall of Fame. I don't know what the hell we're doing. What's he got, two rings? He's got two rings. But you know what, that's the thing, like, the Carolina Panthers days. Because he had two bad years there or whatever? 00:33:30 Speaker 7: Yeah, well, he went 1-15 with them, but that shouldn't be an indictment of what he was as a coach. 00:33:35 Speaker 3: Come on now. 00:33:35 Speaker 5: What, you can't get in the hole because of that now? Yeah. Seifert should be in. I'm with you. All right, moving on here to some of the sound from John Lynch. Keenan Allen introduced yesterday to the media down at Levi's Stadium, and there's still that... thought that he could get that three game suspension. That's becoming more of

a conversation now. But here's a, here's what John Lynch had to say on trading for Keenan Allen. What led to acquiring the veteran receiver? 00:33:57 Speaker 9: We were really excited to, to add Keenan. I'll tell you, you know, an interesting story. You know, we kind of, you start through this, this process and you look at all the people trade targets and our pro staff does a phenomenal job. My assistant GMs and our whole personnel staff does a great job of bringing people to light that may be options and, really we kind of focused on Josh Downs as an option that we'd have some interest in. Kyle and I are kind of watching Josh, and in the process, Kyle's like, man, what about Keenan? And I was like, you know, we hadn't given much thought to that, but let me ask about that. And so there started a conversation about two and a half weeks ago, really when DeForest talks, you know, would he? And it's always fluid, and at a certain time, They didn't want to give up Keenan. It wasn't going to be on the table, but we kept communicating. Ultimately, we got it. I think it's a really good fit for us. We wanted to make an ad at receiver. He had a really good first day of practice. It's just a start, but he'll fit in well. Really pleased to add him. It was good to have Debo back on the practice field. You know, we're starting to get healthy. D-Rob, Demarcus Robinson came back last week, Debo. If he can string today a couple more practices, you know, we'll have him back and add Keenan, you know, to the guys who have already been doing a really good job. It sets up well for us. 00:35:30 Speaker 7: And I think Lynch, who may play later on, they really were on Josh Downs initially, and then the compensation was going to be a little too much for them, so they pivoted to Keenan Allen. 00:35:39 Speaker 5: What did the Chiefs give up for Downs? 00:35:41 Speaker 3: It was a fourth and a fifth. 00:35:42 Speaker 5: Yeah, but he's younger, too. He's 25 years old. He's in his fourth season. 00:35:46 Speaker 7: Yeah, look, the bottom line is, and I know that there were reports that the Niners were trying to see what the Jets would give up to get Garrett Wilson, or what they had to give up to get Garrett Wilson. I don't think the Niners are in the position right now where they give up first or second round picks just because this team is older. It's a good team, but this team is older. So I want to know, we'll talk about it more later, but like, how long did that go for? Was it just one phone call and John Lynch was like, ah, I'm good. 00:36:11 Speaker 5: That's where I'm at, dude. Cause we know, and this is the thing I love about John Lynch. and I've loved about him since he got here is whenever a player is available, regardless of the, like if they're a high level player, John Lynch calls, right? Like, you know that like if you're an Oakland A's fan from years ago, you knew that when a big time player was available at the deadline, you weren't in the mix. They weren't going to make that splash. Now, Brian Sabian, every year, if the giants were in the mix was calling to make a move. It's a little bit different with the Warriors and how they're constructed, but we knew Bob Myers, at least in the offseason, was always wheeling and dealing. 00:36:40 Speaker 6: Of course. 00:36:40 Speaker 5: You don't get a nickname like the Swindle God without doing what Bob Myers did. John Lynch, for all the faults that people think he's had in terms of drafting and whatever else, the dude has called on everybody. 00:36:50 Speaker 3: He called on Trent Williams. When he called on Jimmy Garoppolo, he asked about Tom Brady. 00:36:54 Speaker 6: Yes, he did. 00:36:54 Speaker 5: He called on Khalil Mack. He's called on somebody. He called on Christian McCaffrey. Name a big-time player that was mentioned that the 49ers were not really in on, and even if they weren't really in... He asked, what's it going to take? So I don't know. I'm with you. I don't know how serious these discussions were with the Jets about Garrett Wilson. It may have just been Colin saying, are you looking to move him? And the report out there is that he did not want to be traded and he could have gone to the Chiefs or maybe the Chiefs or the Niners. 00:37:18 Speaker 3: Who knows? 00:37:19 Speaker 5: And just because those teams showed interest did not mean they were ever willing to pay whatever the asking price was. 00:37:24 Speaker 6: Yeah. 00:37:24 Speaker 7: And also, it doesn't matter if a player wants to stay or not. I'm sure if Garrett Wilson was told, hey, we're sending you to the Kansas City Chiefs or San Francisco 49ers. 00:37:32 Speaker 3: He'd be like, I'll do that. We got a first and a third. 00:37:34 Speaker 5: It's not up to you. We're taking the picks. They can say all they want. Well, he didn't want it. 00:37:37 Speaker 3: I'm sure they were asking for the moon, though. 00:37:39 Speaker 7: I doubt it was a first and a third because they have him in their plans for the future. 00:37:42 Speaker 6: Agreed. 00:37:43 Speaker 7: As far as Keenan Allen, I think that's why Kyle always thinks that way because he's... He's fine with veteran-wide receivers. He doesn't care the perception about this team being older. It's like, all right, Josh Downs, you know, I'm interested. And the fact that they were calling about him makes me believe that they're thinking differently about maybe more speedy receivers, guys that can't block. But he knows that Keenan Allen's capable of that. So he's like, all right, you know what? If it's going to be a pain in the ass to talk to the Colts interim GM about Josh Downs, and let's just get him for, let's talk to them about Keenan Allen for a six-round pick. 00:38:12 Speaker 3: That's much easier. I'm surprised the Colts initially said, we're not doing that. 00:38:16 Speaker 7: Just because Keenan Allen, you know, he's a pretty good wide receiver, but same thing with Khalil Mack. 00:38:20 Speaker 3: He's withering away on a bad

team. Send him someplace else where he can win. 00:38:23 Speaker 5: Well, and here's what you just said. The 49ers average age now, 28 and a half. 00:38:27 Speaker 6: Yes. 00:38:27 Speaker 3: As old as where they are. 00:38:28 Speaker 5: If they won the Super Bowl, they'd be tied for the oldest team to win a Super Bowl. Was it the 98 Broncos? 00:38:32 Speaker 3: With Kyle's dad's 98 Broncos. 00:38:34 Speaker 5: What's interesting is Adam Kaplan, NFL insider, joined us yesterday, Sirius XM radio host as well. He said to us, you know, it's interesting when you look at average ages of a team. And he said, is it because you have a bunch of guys who are like in their high 30s? Or is it because you have a bunch of dudes who are 28, 29, 33, 132, 33? And that's really more of what the Niners have. Trent Williams is an older player. 00:38:54 Speaker 8: Yeah. 00:38:54 Speaker 5: Christian McCaffrey is, of course, an older player for a running back. Mike Evans is a little bit older on that front as well, specifically old for football age. But the thing that skewed that Broncos team a little different is how old was John Elway then? 00:39:05 Speaker 6: 37. 00:39:05 Speaker 5: That's my point. So they don't have a player. They have one player like that, I guess, in Trent Williams, right? 00:39:09 Speaker 3: Right. 00:39:09 Speaker 5: And other than that, it's a lot of guys in there early to now into the mid-30s. So it's a bit of a different situation. They also have a lot of young guys on the bottom part of that roster on the defensive side. Here's what John Lynch had to say this morning about what Derek just said on the age and whether or not that's a factor or a concern for this team. 00:39:24 Speaker 9: Well, you know, I don't think that's like a conscious thing. We're not saying let's go find every old guy. You know, I do, and I think I've talked about it a lot, and we really feel like we think it's a good mix because we have those vets, and it's skewed a little bit. Our long snapper's 40 years old. You know, I don't worry about that. He snaps the football, and that's tough to do, and he does it very well. John Weeks, Trent Williams, I'll take that. I mean, he defies kind of age and the things. And I do think there's some level of, you know, 35, you know, the new 30, you know. And so these guys are taking such great care of themselves. But I do think I feel really good that we've insulated ourselves, you know, with that core group. But then we've got a lot of young contributors. You saw Duggar with the pick six Romello Height. God bless Grayson Holton because that was tough to see him going out. Upton Stout, Renardo Green, young player. Like, we've got young players all over playing integral roles, and so I think it's a really good mix. And, yeah, you always want to try to manage those things, but we like the way our team's comprised and, you know, maybe a little ode to George Allen. 00:40:43 Speaker 3: Over the Hill game. 00:40:44 Speaker 7: Back in the

day with the Washington football team. AJ, nothing but a number. I think Aaliyah said that once upon a time. 00:40:50 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a little risky to use that reference, though. 00:40:53 Speaker 6: Oh. 00:40:53 Speaker 3: It doesn't work. R. Kelly? Yeah, it doesn't work. 00:40:56 Speaker 1: Okay, anyway. 00:40:56 Speaker 3: Yeah, can't do that one. Good point. 00:40:58 Speaker 7: Regardless, when it comes to football, though, I mean, yes, it is a factor, and we'll talk about it with Kyle Shanahan, but it's where these guys are defying the perception of an older athlete, where Trent Williams may be playing his best football at 38 years old, or Christian McCaffrey, the whole idea of a running back touring 30, And he's injury prone. He's breaking down. Not the same player, but still a pretty good productive player. So, you know, when you see that stuff, does it freak you out? Maybe because of the injuries, but I think I would rely on a very experienced team come postseason time. 00:41:28 Speaker 5: Yeah, I just. 00:41:29 Speaker 3: That's the question I have about what John Lynch has done here. 00:41:31 Speaker 5: Is he creating? 00:41:32 Speaker 6: Has he. 00:41:34 Speaker 5: Constructed a team that's the best possible team they could have in January without mortgaging too much of 27, 28, 29. And that's kind of how I feel he's gone about it. 00:41:43 Speaker 3: I don't think they've given. 00:41:43 Speaker 5: Up too much for 27 or 28 or 29. 00:41:46 Speaker 3: Not at all. 00:41:46 Speaker 4: Not at all. 00:41:47 Speaker 5: They gave him a fifth for Buckner. 00:41:51 Speaker 4: No, a fourth. 00:41:51 Speaker 5: Excuse me, a fourth for Buckner and a seventh. 00:41:53 Speaker 3: A sixth. 00:41:54 Speaker 5: A sixth, excuse me. It was the fourth and the sixth that they've given. 00:41:56 Speaker 3: That's not anything, honestly. 00:41:57 Speaker 5: And you could get a compensatory pick back, potentially. 00:41:59 Speaker 7: And I'm sure they were in on Khalil Mack, too, whatever that would have cost, a fifth or a third. But in the end, I mean, I know that people are like, they need to go all in right now. They're trying to win, but also prioritize the future at the same time. That's why I'm kind of like, I'm not buying the whole Gary Wilson thing today with Rich Cimini. I mean, yes, they probably called about it, but they probably weren't serious about it. So, yeah, they got a solid player in Keenan Allen, an older player. 00:42:20 Speaker 3: But you know what? 00:42:22 Speaker 7: He'll fill the void for Mike Evans. Not the same player, obviously. He'll move the chains, but yeah, we'll see here. The bottom line is they need Mike Evans to win the Super Bowl. They need an older wide receiver to help them out come January and February. 00:42:33 Speaker 5: Adam Copeland, Derek Papa, Danny Dunn with you. Kyle Shanahan, 49ers head coach, joins us each and every week. The Niners and the Cowboys kick off Sunday, 125 from Jerry World in Dallas. We've got pregame for you at 10 a.m. right here on The Sports Leader, but 49ers head coach Kyle Shanahan will join us coming up next in about 10 minutes, only here on The Sports Leader. 00:42:50 Speaker 9: 35, you know, the new 30. 00:42:57 Speaker 8: Now back to dirty work. Adam Copeland and Derek Papa in the KNBR Casino Matrix Progressive Jackpot Studios. Casino Matrix Progressive Jackpots are here. 00:43:09 Speaker 3: Where are you? 00:43:10 Speaker 8: Just drop in. 00:43:12 Speaker 3: Please play responsibly. 00:43:13 Speaker 6: Call 1-800-GAMBLER. 00:43:17 Speaker 5: Starting work on a Thursday afternoon. Adam Copeland, Depop, Danny Dunn hanging out with you. We are going to catch up with 49ers head coach Kyle Shanahan here in just a few minutes. But a piece of sound I want to get to before we do that. Kyle will join us here for his weekly conversation when they get off the practice field. So last week, Jerry Jones, owner of the Dallas Cowboys, you know him. He was asked about the perception that he's not willing to pay top dollar for a good coach. It's not a perception. It's a reality in my mind. Here's what Jerry Jones had to say about not paying top dollar for a good coach. 00:43:46 Speaker 6: Let me address the first one. In the NFL, this is after years of looking at all the teams and all the coaches. There is no, there is zero correlation between how much you pay a coach or how many coaches you have as to winning. There is no correlation. And that's a random sample of years and all 32 teams involved. So put that in your hopper and smoke it. 00:44:18 Speaker 5: We'll come back to that. Jerry, we've made the connection with 49ers head coach Kyle Shanahan. Let's open the coaches show. 00:44:26 Speaker 3: Faithful to him. 00:44:28 Speaker 8: It's not just a team. 00:44:29 Speaker 3: It's family. I appreciate everyone in here. Love you guys. 00:44:32 Speaker 12: Yes, sir. 00:44:34 Speaker 5: Here's the head. 00:44:34 Speaker 8: Coach of your 49ers, Kyle Shanahan. 00:44:37 Speaker 5: You got a chance to do something this year, man. 00:44:39 Speaker 3: On The Sports Leader. 00:44:41 Speaker 7: Kyle Shanahan is sponsored by Amici's East Coast Pizzeria. When you want the best pizza in town, Amici's delivers. Also sponsored by Just Another Day and CA.com. Discover how California's shaping the world every single day. 00:44:54 Speaker 3: What's going on, Kyle? 00:44:56 Speaker 4: How much, guys? 00:44:56 Speaker 10: How's it going? 00:44:57 Speaker 3: Pretty good, man. 00:44:58 Speaker 5: Lots to talk about around the team now that we're past the trade deadline. I guess we'll start there with the acquisition of Keenan Allen. 00:45:04 Speaker 6: It's funny. 00:45:04 Speaker 5: I just asked you last week about how quickly a receiver can get up to speed. He's obviously a vet, a guy who's been around a long time. How quickly is he able to contribute in a new offense? 00:45:15 Speaker 12: We'll see on Sunday, but it's definitely a challenge. It's unfair to

him, to tell you the truth. You know, that's... I think he landed at 11.30 at night on Wednesday. I mean, I'm sorry, on Tuesday. And then he's in an 8.30 install meeting where he's learning about 200 new words. It's a totally different language. Vets can pick up a little bit faster, but it's always a challenge if you haven't played in a scheme with the same terminology. Like when Emmanuel came, Denver had the same terminology for the year prior. So that helped him pick it up a little bit faster. It'll be a little bit more of a challenge for Keenan because he hasn't played in that with same terminology So instead of like picking it up and learning it all it's a little bit more memorization So I mean no one's memorizing 200 different concepts. 00:46:03 Speaker 4: So what do we have a memorize the first week? 00:46:06 Speaker 12: And then you kind of got a limit of it in that way you know you can't just throw them out to the wolves and just randomly call things and expect them to know every single thing because You're just being way too unfair to him and that'll end up costing your team. But yeah, he's had two really good practices and You can tell he's a real smart guy that picks things up quick and naturally, and I think he'll do it sooner than later. 00:46:26 Speaker 5: One of the funny sort of wrinkles is he played against Dallas last week, and you guys were in Dallas this week. He was at home in Indy when they played that game last weekend, and not totally related to him, but I was thinking about it. It's not like in baseball where once a batter gets to see a pitcher once, now he's got a little bit of a book on him. Is there anything like that with receivers and corners? Is there anything that can happen there in terms of an advantage or disadvantage in back-to-back weeks? 00:46:47 Speaker 12: Yeah, a little bit, but I mean, when it's true man-to-man and you've gone against a guy a bunch and you might, you might know some things he struggles with and things like that. Um, but it's, you're also, you're not, you're also not just out there running any single route you want, you know, you know, you're running, you're running a route that's tied to 10 other people, um, that has to do with coverages and things like that. And, uh, that's why like the receiver world can be a little bit of a lonely world because you're just out there doing your assignment. I mean, people act like receivers are going to do all these adjustments and change things. And that's just not the case. I played receiver and I had no idea what was going on, and I wanted to be a coach my whole life, and I had no idea what was going on except that the route I was running and the guy in front of me. So you can take a few things, but coverage changes every play, formations change every play, and there's just way too many variables. 00:47:36 Speaker 7: Talking to 49ers head coach Kyle Shanahan on the UMA guest line, you have now a lot of veteran receivers on this team, but with Mike Evans out, did Jordan Watkins last week show you that he could bring something different to this offense and his explosiveness and ability to stretch the field? 00:47:50 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, Jordan's been showing us the last three weeks, you know? 00:47:54 Speaker 12: I mean, he's been really working to get up, and he got his opportunity when some guys went down, and he's been able to start these last three weeks, and I think he's played good in all three of these weeks, and he got a couple more, the ball came to him a few more times versus Atlanta. I thought he made some big plays, had that one returned reverse, that one call reverse that we all thought was a touchdown at first. 00:48:14 Speaker 4: Still almost still think that. 00:48:18 Speaker 12: And then I thought he, I mean, I thought he played really, really good in that game versus Atlanta, and I think it was a similar game last week. But he got better stats and was able to finish that play and get the touchdown for it, which I was really happy for him because he played that good the week before, and we've been really happy with him. 00:48:36 Speaker 5: A couple of injuries to some guys on the outside, or I should say in the secondary. Renardo Green and Upton Stout with the foot in the back for Renardo. They weren't on the practice field today. Are those two guys that need to see the field tomorrow or Friday before they can play on Sunday? 00:48:48 Speaker 12: Uh, they're not guys that have to, of course I would like to, uh, but they've been here long enough. 00:48:53 Speaker 4: You know, I trust the guys enough. 00:48:55 Speaker 12: Um, just if they can't go tomorrow, just talking to them Saturday, possibly Sunday morning, just seeing where they're at talking to the trainers, but I'm still got a chance to practice tomorrow. So we'll see how they feel when they wake up tomorrow, but unfortunately they weren't able to go today. 00:49:07 Speaker 7: Can you walk us through the Christian McCaffrey TD reception? The Raiders dropped their defensive lineman into coverage and blitz the linebackers. Did you see something prior to the snap or was that just a quick read by Brock on the play? 00:49:19 Speaker 4: I mean, Brock... Christian was the number one guy in the progression. 00:49:22 Speaker 12: We called each choice and usually each choice is one of the most consistent routes versus a number of coverages that you don't have to progress on because they can break out, they can break in both ways versus man. If it's zone, they can hook up and we just hit him right there and he drops up so he gets vertical. But fortunately on that play, they busted. So no one took him. So Christian just broke out and got a nice, easy walk and touchdown. 00:49:47 Speaker 5: Talking to 49ers head coach Kyle Shannon. He joins us each and every week here on the UMA Guest Line. This morning, John Lynch was on with the morning guys. And he said you guys had made calls about adding defensive line help. How confident

are you right now in the pass rush? I mean, nine tackle for losses last week was impressive despite not recording a sack. 00:50:02 Speaker 12: I am confident in the pass rush. You know, I think we've been able to generate pass rush throughout the year. I'm not as one of the top teams in the league, but I think better than expected, especially with all the injuries we've had. I think we've been able to generate pass rush better than we did all of last year. 00:50:19 Speaker 4: And then to be. 00:50:21 Speaker 12: Able to just get Bosa back, that was his first game back, but then to add Buckner, just what we did without those guys and where we were going, and then added these two guys here this last week, I have a lot of confidence in the pass rush. You know, I think it did hurt, loosen Grayson Halton. You know, it's one of the coolest things about getting Buckner was, man, now think of the depth that we have behind him. Because, you know, Grayson with these injuries and everything, it basically made himself into a starter. And it was having such a hell of a year. But I do think we have enough guys by committee. We also got the, you know, we all know the top guys as Mbosa and Buckner. But collectively, I think we've shown it throughout the year. I think we've added these two guys. And I also think when the amount of youth we have in there, guys can still keep getting, getting better throughout this year. 00:51:07 Speaker 7: Also talking to 49ers head coach Kyle Shanahan on the UMA guest line. I know the roster could change during the season, but right now, if you guys were to win the super bowl, this team would be the oldest to do so since your dad's 98 Broncos. That said is age brought up too much in football or sports because most of your players are defying the perception of an older athlete. 00:51:26 Speaker 4: Um, I mean, I think it can, I mean, it just, it's, it's stories different. 00:51:30 Speaker 12: Um, I know age has been talked about a lot this week because Mike's older, and we just signed a receiver who's older than him. So I looked at it. We did that to make Mike feel younger. But we knew that would be talked about. 00:51:45 Speaker 4: You know that. 00:51:46 Speaker 12: That's why I didn't totally think Keenan was totally available in things, just not thinking about him until he just jumped off the tape. The silent tape tells you a lot more about people as football players than there's driver license and their date of birth. or what stats say or anything. The silent tape is, to me, really the truth. So you just try to watch that and not let age dictate it. You do understand the benefits and the negatives of being younger, being older. But I also know that I look at it as we have two young first-round picks at receiver that aren't playing for us. I mean, I know Stribling was picked 33rd, so the beginning of the second round, but also not having Rickey So, you know, we have two really young receivers that were supposed to be a huge part of this year, and then we still have Cowing, we still have Jordan Watkins, so that was a really young group, and we thought it was great to have Mike and D-Rob with them, and then we brought Debo in to be a weapon of that, and to that group, and just unfortunately this year, the young guys got hurt, and so it looks like a group of older dudes, but I feel like we've had a pretty good balance with them, but we've lost those dudes, and hopefully we'll get Stribling back in December at some time, and Um, maybe that'll make our, our age go down or also if we got rid of our long snapper, he's like 44. 00:53:02 Speaker 4: And we're not doing that. He's the man. 00:53:04 Speaker 12: So nothing against him, but that skews it a little bit. If we'd have our long snapper, I feel like we'd. maybe at least be the low 20s. 00:53:11 Speaker 5: It's really how it's distributed, too. Yeah, it's like, is there one guy who's way up there kind of skewing it, or is it a bunch of guys kind of bunched up around the same age, which is what it feels like. You'd mentioned, Kyle, that there's no timetable for Mike Evans right now. Is the biggest concern simply getting him healthy, or is there uncertainty about how long this could last? 00:53:26 Speaker 12: No, I think it's more about getting him healthy to hope that it stays healthy. You know, Mike's such a dog and wants to get out there all the time, and I'm sure Mike would make sure, Mike would... I think it'd be hard to keep him out if this was the last game or anything like that. But what we're trying not to do is have him come back and then be out right away. We're trying to build him up the right way so hopefully it can last a little bit. And I think it is getting real close. But, you know, we look at it at the beginning of the week every week and see where he's at. And he was a lot closer this week than last week. And hopefully that continues next week. 00:54:03 Speaker 7: I heard you with Chris Sims earlier this week talking about stealing play calls, and you don't do that as much these days. It's more of a thing you notice in film. But do you ever find yourself during a game watching the opposing offense or the play caller, whether it's Sean or Ben Johnson, and being impressed so much by a play and making a note, like, I've got to find a way to duplicate that? 00:54:22 Speaker 4: Yeah, totally. 00:54:24 Speaker 12: It's so very rare that you just see a total new play anymore. So it's more like a combination of something or how they– hit it and did it a different way with a motion or a formation. If you just see a brand new play you've never seen before, it's probably something that was only built for a one-time situation. That's not going to be that consistent of a play. That's going to be hard to do. That is just totally put in for a specific coverage. But when you see something that jumps off, it's like, man, that's a pretty cool way to do that. I've always liked it this way, but that'll hide it. To me,

that's what you steal the most. But it's also when you watch... I see defense so much more before I see offense. And so when you see something affect the defense so much, that's when that play jumps out. 00:55:10 Speaker 5: 49ers head coach Kyle Shanahan joins us in a few more minutes here on the UMA Guest Line. Right when we got Gianna, we haven't reacted to it, and I want to ask you to comment on it specifically. We were playing a cut from Jerry Jones who made some comments last week about the relationship between paying coaches top dollar and winning championships. Not tied to that specifically, but how important do you believe it is for an organization to invest in its coaching staff beyond the head coach? How much continuity is important there for success? 00:55:33 Speaker 12: I think it's very important. I know I would have no chance if I didn't have the right coaches around me. There's only so much that you can do. You've got to be able to train people and you've got to be able to depend on people. If you don't have that, it's just a matter of time before you can't handle it all. You can't just micromanage everybody. You can educate people. You can teach people. You've got to know enough to know who knows what they're doing and who you've got to stay on and pay attention to more and who all right, this guy is on top of this whole area. I don't need to waste any of my brain thoughts on that. I can move and focus in this area. If we didn't have that, I feel like I'd be in a lot of trouble. Fortunately, I think I'm lucky that Jed doesn't feel the same way. 00:56:18 Speaker 5: I think we all agree. It's funny asking you versus hearing him. I'm like, well, both guys have different thoughts and different perspectives on this. I guess what else I'd ask, too, about a roster. Can a great coach turn an average roster into a great team or a contending team, or do you ultimately just have to have the great players? 00:56:33 Speaker 12: Um, I mean, I think a good coaching staff, you can overachieve. I mean, you can do better without a doubt. I think you always should. Um, that's what you strive for to, to, to me, the essence of coaching is making your players better. And, um, so I always think you can do that, but, um, I also am extremely aware that this game is about the players and, um, and that I don't play colors and stuff. Like, I think we do get way too much credit because it's, Like, oh, man, that was such a cool play. Well, it was a cool play because of who we had on it. And you compare them all together and you try to put a plan together that allows guys to make it easier on the quarterback, make it easier on the O-line, make it easier. You want to help guys get open. And I think we can do that. But I also know when we can't. And I'm like, man, when you're missing certain people and you don't have that, it's not like, hey, all right, let's just come up with another good idea and this will work. You've got to have the right guys. How do we do well when really good players get hurt? I do think we have good coaches, but we also have good backups. We also have the right type of football players. I believe on practice squad we have the right type of football players that are our second string or third string. People might not know as well who aren't quite the same as the big name guys, but they're guys that do something that there's a reason that they are here. If they do, their numbers and their play count needs to go up then it's important for a coach to put the stuff together that those guys do excel at that hopefully gives you a chance to win. 00:58:08 Speaker 7: The second long road trip is coming up for you next week, going to Colorado for the week after the game on Sunday. You played in Mexico City before, but did the Australia trip make everything easier for you in travel now? 00:58:19 Speaker 4: No, not at all. 00:58:20 Speaker 12: That's why I was annoyed we had to do it twice. But it went well for us, so I'm not bitter about it anymore. It does suck to have to be away from our families so long. 00:58:31 Speaker 9: Right. 00:58:32 Speaker 12: Um, but I do think, I mean, I always, I just know how hard it is when we go to Denver and play and that altitude and stuff when you're not ready for it. Um, and, and Mexico city's higher. Um, so I know how big of a challenge that is. And it's nice that it's closer than Australia, but I think it's, I think it's hard to just show up in altitude like that and play. So it's important for us to go to Denver. In my opinion, um, we ended up being gone longer than we were in Australia, but, um, that's just the cost of doing business. I think it doesn't guarantee you anything, but I just, I do think it helps us. But one thing that I do know is cool is playing in Mexico. The Mexico fan base for the 49ers is so, so cool and then to be in Mexico City like and to watch how they were and it was a home game for the Cardinals but I mean that was one of the best home games that I've been a part of like just especially on the road you know we get that in LA but we get into Mexico City even bigger and it's a really cool experience going. 00:59:25 Speaker 7: Down there Last one for you, Coach, just going back to your interview with Chris Sims. As a UT guy, I got a kick out of your Halo tournaments with Sims and Bowscape from back in the day. Did you have a Halo strategy or a favorite map when you're playing the game? 00:59:38 Speaker 12: All we played was Slayer. So we never played the game. We just always split the screens up and just went against each other. Basically, it's why I had to be a coach because after football practice, I wasn't doing much in school. It was Halo and Madden. and then back to football and I was kind of put all my cards and being a football coach, but those were the days when you can hang out and do that. And, but it's, it's been about, it's been a long time since I've been able to do that stuff. I actually tried to get on the game

and play my son a couple of years ago, thinking I was good. And, oh my God, it, Like anything, you better keep practicing or you get bad really fast. 01:00:15 Speaker 3: Yeah. 01:00:15 Speaker 6: It's funny. 01:00:16 Speaker 5: My lack of school just landed me here, not in a sideline. Kyle Shanahan, the voice here. Kyle, good luck this week, man. Always fun catching up. We'll do it again soon, man. Thanks so much. 01:00:24 Speaker 6: Thanks, Kyle. 01:00:24 Speaker 4: All right, guys. 01:00:25 Speaker 6: Thanks. 01:00:26 Speaker 5: Great stuff there from 49ers head coach Kyle Shanahan joins us each and every week. We're not sure about the schedule next week, but still is the hope that we'll be able to get him from Colorado where the Niners are going to go do their training like they did. Last time around, when they went to Mexico City a few years back against the Arizona Cardinals, they'll do that to sort of train in the altitude. What's crazy is they go to do the altitude thing in Colorado. It's still even higher than that when you get to Mexico City. 01:00:46 Speaker 8: Yeah. 01:00:46 Speaker 5: It's like far different even when you get down to Mexico City. The altitude's insane down there. 01:00:51 Speaker 6: 808-KMBR-415-808-5627. 01:00:51 Speaker 5: The number to call and the number to text. Not negative on Renato Green and Upton Stout. He said they're not two guys that have to be on the field before. He said there is still a chance they could play. It sounds like they are truly questionable. Also, the way he's talking about Mike Evans, at least to us, seems fairly positive. He said it is precautionary. Like I said, is this about getting him healthy, or is this about... concerned that this is something that we don't know how long it's going to go. And he said, really, it's about just making sure he can get healthy so that he doesn't have to be out another period. Because he's already banged up at this point. When he hurt the Achilles, he was already getting banged up. He was already dealing with things week to week. And Kyle said, quote, it would be hard to keep him out if this were the last game. And he said he's getting close. Which means to me this is more of a precaution. And you think you can get by Dallas without him. I'm totally with that. Minnesota, I'd love him to be out there. 01:01:40 Speaker 3: That'd be great. 01:01:41 Speaker 5: We'll see. I'd also love him to be out there in January more than I would against Minnesota. 01:01:44 Speaker 7: And considering the makeup of the Minnesota Vikings, you need a little more offense when you're going up against that team now. But I'm okay with Mike Evans not playing this week because the Dallas Cowboys defense, not so good. 01:01:54 Speaker 3: And also, good comments about paying your coaching staff. I really did like that. 01:01:58 Speaker 5: That was good. So I didn't want to comment directly on Jerry. But I do like that he came back and said, I'm glad that Jed doesn't see it the same way. 01:02:04 Speaker 3: And I think a lot of coaches feel that way. I totally agree. 01:02:06 Speaker 5: I mean, look at the lack of success for the Cowboys and look at what the Niners have done. And again, You know, Kyle said, first of all, blessing. I mean, God bless him for saying what he said about his coaching staff. Saying, I wouldn't be anything if I didn't have these guys. But look at how much they've continued to develop not just talent, but coaches. Dude, look how many coaches around the league that have been at some point on this staff. So it's identifying that this guy is somebody that can help us. That's just as important as identifying the right talent. And then being able to apply that is incredible. 5-0 on the text line says, Jesus, exceptional audio on Kyle. 01:02:38 Speaker 3: He's sitting on Derek's lap. 01:02:39 Speaker 5: Did sound good. He was on a microphone. That'd be a little too close. 01:02:44 Speaker 3: I do want to play Halo with him, though. 01:02:46 Speaker 5: Yeah, Halo 3. 01:02:47 Speaker 3: Well, yeah. I assume that's what we were talking about. He was probably... Well, back then, not to age Kyle or anything, but it was probably Halo 1. 01:02:53 Speaker 5: No. That would have been Xbox One? 01:02:55 Speaker 3: 2001, man. 01:02:56 Speaker 5: Oh, it was 01? 01:02:57 Speaker 8: Yeah. 01:02:57 Speaker 5: Yeah, you're probably right. 01:02:58 Speaker 3: Yeah, come on. 01:03:00 Speaker 7: Chris Sims and Kyle Shanahan were at Texas, 99 to like 2001, something like. 01:03:04 Speaker 6: That, yeah. 01:03:05 Speaker 3: So that's Xbox One. 01:03:06 Speaker 6: Yeah. 01:03:06 Speaker 5: Halo 1 came out Halo 1 was first released November 15th, 2001. 01:03:11 Speaker 3: Yeah. That's the one they were playing. 01:03:13 Speaker 5: Slayer. I mean, they had that version, that model in every game. And then 04 would have been Halo 2. Yeah, because I was bigger on Halo 3. 01:03:20 Speaker 7: I was going to ask if he was a GTA guy, but I'll let that. 01:03:22 Speaker 5: We'll save that. He's like, no, dude, I'm a Kyler. 808-KMB-R-415-808-5627, the number to call and text. We will take a quick break. When we come on back, a little bit of reaction to Kyle. And I want to get back to that Jerry Jones thing. 01:03:33 Speaker 3: Yep, I do too. 01:03:33 Speaker 5: We're going to get back to that and we'll hear again what Kyle had to say in reaction to that or in relation to that because... Like, do you believe, listeners, filth out there? Do you believe that coaches can make the difference? Look at what happened last year. If it was Brian Schottenheimer coaching the 2025 San Francisco 49ers, are they winning 12 games? 01:03:51 Speaker 4: No. 01:03:52 Speaker 3: No, they're not. We'll talk more about this next. Dirty work on a Thursday only here on the Sports Leader.

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