Full Transcript for Digital IDs in Trades: Privacy, Control, and Immigration Implications

00:02:09,814 And there's a lot of other laws that are coming out in Canada that do actually have those 41 00:02:09,814 --> 00:02:10,775 provisos. 42 00:02:11,254 --> 00:02:17,415 So my concern is, say for example, in Ontario, if you get a Red Seal trade, you can just go to 43 00:02:17,415 --> 00:02:19,014 the portal, log in, and it's right there. 44 00:02:20,150 --> 00:02:25,189 So what I think the simple solution would be, okay, just amalgamate all the provinces to be 45 00:02:25,189 --> 00:02:26,710 the same access point. 46 00:02:27,269 --> 00:02:27,590 Right? 47 00:02:27,590 --> 00:02:29,030 And just create a QR code. 48 00:02:29,030 --> 00:02:30,150 Like, you wanna vet yourself? 49 00:02:30,150 --> 00:02:30,389 Perfect. 50 00:02:30,389 --> 00:02:31,349 Here's a QR code. 51 00:02:31,349 --> 00:02:32,229 It shows me. 52 00:02:32,229 --> 00:02:33,510 It shows my information. 53 00:02:33,590 --> 00:02:36,525 It's it's done, and it's just for the purpose of employers. 54 00:02:36,685 --> 00:02:39,564 And employers can sign up for it, and that's it. 55 00:02:39,965 --> 00:02:44,604 It doesn't have to be why why jump the shark and go straight to the employee with all that 56 00:02:44,604 --> 00:02:49,245 level of tracking where some of it is actually gonna be tied to you could use your bank as a 57 00:02:49,245 --> 00:02:52,439 login, which seems a little shady to me. 58 00:02:54,599 --> 00:02:55,800 I didn't know that. 59 00:02:57,719 --> 00:02:59,560 So okay. 60 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:06,074 I hear what you're saying, and it makes sense to do it kind of a national rollout and to have 61 00:03:06,074 --> 00:03:09,834 employers and employees be part of it because then you kinda know who's who and then 62 00:03:09,834 --> 00:03:14,634 employers for me, when anything's people driven, I always get a little bit skeptical in 63 00:03:14,634 --> 00:03:15,275 some ways. 64 00:03:15,275 --> 00:03:19,594 I'm not saying that robots should do it, but there's really never a bias somewhere. 65 00:03:20,074 --> 00:03:25,979 So you and I so I might have glowing things to say about you, but I could ask somebody else a 66 00:03:25,979 --> 00:03:28,939 question, and they would have nothing nice to say about you. 67 00:03:29,019 --> 00:03:34,379 But it doesn't speak to your skill, and people are so overwhelmed with their own emotions and 68 00:03:34,379 --> 00:03:39,844 their experience that they forget to acknowledge the skill part of it. 69 00:03:39,925 --> 00:03:42,085 So if somebody like I'll give you an example. 70 00:03:42,564 --> 00:03:44,085 There's a guy that I worked with. 71 00:03:44,164 --> 00:03:45,364 He's a complete asshole. 72 00:03:45,364 --> 00:03:45,764 K? 73 00:03:45,764 --> 00:03:48,564 He fucked me out of $23,000 in my business. 74 00:03:48,805 --> 00:03:53,180 And as far as I'm concerned, a person from a personal perspective, I I have no use for this 75 00:03:53,180 --> 00:03:53,900 individual. 76 00:03:53,900 --> 00:03:59,099 But when people ask me about him, I never say anything bad in the sense of if you're asking 77 00:03:59,099 --> 00:04:02,860 me on skill, I will 100% respond accordingly. 78 00:04:02,860 --> 00:04:05,500 If you ask me on personal, I'll say no no comment. 79 00:04:06,134 --> 00:04:10,534 Because I'm not gonna run around and talk shit about somebody to the industry. 80 00:04:10,775 --> 00:04:16,375 What I I will talk shit within as an honest so if I've got good rapports with certain owners 81 00:04:16,375 --> 00:04:18,855 or certain businesses and they say, can you tell me about this? 82 00:04:18,855 --> 00:04:20,134 I might give them snippets. 83 00:04:20,750 --> 00:04:21,389 Right? 84 00:04:21,389 --> 00:04:25,870 But when it comes to the person's skill and capability, I would never lie. 85 00:04:25,870 --> 00:04:30,110 Great person, easy to talk to, has an impeccable amount of skill, knowledge, 86 00:04:30,110 --> 00:04:32,110 understanding of this, this, this, and this. 87 00:04:32,189 --> 00:04:34,750 100%, I would recommend them if this is what you're going for. 88 00:04:35,845 --> 00:04:38,884 Their personality has nothing to do with their skill. 89 00:04:38,884 --> 00:04:40,165 Has to do with their attitude. 90 00:04:40,165 --> 00:04:41,444 Has to do with their character. 91 00:04:41,685 --> 00:04:42,324 Yep. 92 00:04:42,644 --> 00:04:43,524 So That's this is. 93 00:04:43,764 --> 00:04:47,204 Nervous when I'm, like, involving employers and employees. 94 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:48,120 Right? 95 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,520 Because the employee is looking for a good review. 96 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:58,280 If you're a an employee that's late all the time, well, is are they gonna say, well, I 97 00:04:58,280 --> 00:04:58,680 don't know. 98 00:04:58,680 --> 00:04:59,800 I have no comment. 99 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:01,319 But it's just that you're late all the time. 100 00:05:01,319 --> 00:05:02,360 It doesn't speak to your 101 00:05:03,305 --> 00:05:04,439 speak to your live skill. 102 00:05:04,264 --> 00:05:05,144 Hours of apprentice. 103 00:05:05,305 --> 00:05:06,904 ID is just, hey. 104 00:05:06,904 --> 00:05:09,384 I've got my license to do x y z. 105 00:05:09,384 --> 00:05:10,344 That's all it is. 106 00:05:10,344 --> 00:05:10,584 Okay. 107 00:05:10,584 --> 00:05:11,384 So try to So nobody 108 00:05:11,384 --> 00:05:12,824 can nobody can comment. 109 00:05:13,865 --> 00:05:14,664 No comment. 110 00:05:14,664 --> 00:05:18,899 So it basically is just an ID that says, I can do this. 111 00:05:19,060 --> 00:05:19,379 Yep. 112 00:05:19,379 --> 00:05:24,979 So it's it's it's it's a digital diploma because apparently, it's so hard to take a 113 00:05:24,979 --> 00:05:28,979 picture and send it because no one knows technology to be able to take a picture and 114 00:05:28,979 --> 00:05:29,539 send something. 115 00:05:30,285 --> 00:05:35,644 But the verification process, okay, well then amalgamate the red seal traits across 116 00:05:35,644 --> 00:05:36,365

provinces. 117 00:05:36,365 --> 00:05:42,925 And it doesn't have to be this digital ID with all this I I assume it's gonna come with track 118 00:05:42,925 --> 00:05:45,004 and trace on it because it's gonna be on your phone. 119 00:05:45,620 --> 00:05:46,020 Right? 120 00:05:46,020 --> 00:05:50,259 And the question is is will you be penalized as an employee for not having it? 121 00:05:50,740 --> 00:05:51,060 Right? 122 00:05:51,060 --> 00:05:54,660 So, oh, well, you know, it's harder to look up the information for this person, so I'm not 123 00:05:54,660 --> 00:05:58,100 gonna look them up at all because I actually have to do some legwork to get my employees, 124 00:05:58,705 --> 00:06:00,785 thus taking you out of the system. 125 00:06:00,785 --> 00:06:05,105 What about people who live in areas that don't have good Internet connections or choose to use 126 00:06:05,105 --> 00:06:06,944 a flip phone instead of a smartphone? 127 00:06:08,064 --> 00:06:11,025 So I'll tell you where I see the pros and cons in this. 128 00:06:11,550 --> 00:06:12,269 K? 129 00:06:12,509 --> 00:06:19,229 I think the pros and cons in this are pro, people now have their people now have it 130 00:06:19,229 --> 00:06:23,149 registered somewhere of what their skilled trade is and their education. 131 00:06:23,805 --> 00:06:25,324 So it can't be argued. 132 00:06:25,485 --> 00:06:25,884 K? 133 00:06:25,884 --> 00:06:26,444 That's one. 134 00:06:26,444 --> 00:06:27,245 That's pro. 135 00:06:27,245 --> 00:06:33,085 The con in this is all of the older trades. 136 00:06:33,404 --> 00:06:36,444 So when I say older, I mean us, we're older. 137 00:06:37,029 --> 00:06:47,670 A lot of people between the ages of 40, not all, but a lot in 40, want nothing to do with 138 00:06:47,670 --> 00:06:49,990 the government knowing anything about them. 139 00:06:49,990 --> 00:06:54,365 If they really want something, ask me, but I don't feel that I need I don't feel that the 140 00:06:54,365 --> 00:06:57,564 need to have to give you something to prove who I am. 141 00:06:57,564 --> 00:06:58,764 I know what I've got. 142 00:06:58,764 --> 00:07:02,764 If my employer requires it, that's between me and them, not between me and you. 143 00:07:03,580 --> 00:07:07,980 That is something that I have seen a lot in Alberta, that it is none of your fucking 144 00:07:07,980 --> 00:07:08,620 business. 145 00:07:09,259 --> 00:07:11,340 You wanna know what I do, ask me. 146 00:07:12,300 --> 00:07:16,860 But to make it mandatory, it's gonna it's gonna put a lot of noses in the air. 147 00:07:18,605 --> 00:07:23,645 When I think and it opens up the door to, you know, the federal and provincial debate about 148 00:07:23,645 --> 00:07:25,965 digital IDs for other workplaces. 149 00:07:26,685 --> 00:07:27,004 Right? 150 00:07:27,004 --> 00:07:31,725 And then digital IDs for social systems and digital IDs for your driver's license and 151 00:07:31,725 --> 00:07:35,379 digital and digital and digital, where we were always told that's not gonna happen. 152 00:07:35,379 --> 00:07:36,259 That's not gonna happen. 153 00:07:36,259 --> 00:07:40,339 But going into the trades, I mean, it represents around 2,000,000 people across 154 00:07:40,339 --> 00:07:40,819 Canada. 155 00:07:40,819 --> 00:07:42,180 That's a lot of people 156 00:07:42,500 --> 00:07:42,819 Mhmm. 157 00:07:42,819 --> 00:07:44,579 That this could potentially affect. 158 00:07:45,379 --> 00:07:50,855 Or I don't know how this is gonna weigh out, but I think it's a slippery slope, and a lot of 159 00:07:50,855 --> 00:07:53,814 people have concerns when it comes to privacy, number one. 160 00:07:53,814 --> 00:07:56,535 Number two is control mechanisms. 161 00:07:57,495 --> 00:08:00,375 So hey, if you don't comply, we just wipe out your digital ID. 162 00:08:00,970 --> 00:08:02,730 So Vietnam was it Vietnam? 163 00:08:02,730 --> 00:08:06,330 I think it was Vietnam was a great case where they had saw that digital ID rollout, and if 164 00:08:06,330 --> 00:08:09,530 you didn't do it, they just debanked you, so your bank accounts were just deleted. 165 00:08:10,089 --> 00:08:10,810 Right? 166 00:08:11,210 --> 00:08:13,210 So, like, these are things to have real concerns about. 167 00:08:13,210 --> 00:08:18,104 When you make everything digital, you're giving away a lot of control rather than, You know 168 00:08:18,104 --> 00:08:18,584 what? 169 00:08:18,665 --> 00:08:20,185 I like the diploma on the wall. 170 00:08:20,185 --> 00:08:21,225 I like that kind of stuff. 171 00:08:21,225 --> 00:08:22,345 I like that paper copy. 172 00:08:22,345 --> 00:08:24,024 I like having my physical ID. 173 00:08:25,225 --> 00:08:29,144 Don't trust me personally, I don't trust the government enough. 174 00:08:30,029 --> 00:08:35,629 One of the things they talked about for the Canada login portal is, well, instead of having 175 00:08:35,629 --> 00:08:39,389 to access it through different logins and different emails and passwords and stuff like 176 00:08:39,389 --> 00:08:41,549 that, oh no, you have to remember passwords. 177 00:08:41,549 --> 00:08:44,990 Like, I don't know, our 18 different social medias we use, it's not hard. 178 00:08:45,835 --> 00:08:46,235 Right? 179 00:08:46,235 --> 00:08:46,634 Yeah. 180 00:08:46,634 --> 00:08:51,274 But if there's a data leak, one password gives you access to everything. 181 00:08:52,075 --> 00:08:56,475 So why would you shrink it all down to a single point of access where actually having multiple 182 00:08:56,475 --> 00:08:58,794 points of access from a security standpoint, I believe, is better. 183 00:08:59,639 --> 00:09:00,440 Agreed. 184 00:09:00,839 --> 00:09:06,600 So I'll tell you where like, this is kind of like how they're amalgamating all of our IDs in 185 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:07,399 Alberta. 186 00:09:07,799 --> 00:09:08,440 K? 187 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:14,440 So they're putting our our health care and our passport numbers on our IDs is what they're 188 00:09:14,440 -->

00:09:15,159 moving towards. 189 00:09:15,695 --> 00:09:19,535 Right now, I've only really heard about just the medical. 190 00:09:19,695 --> 00:09:19,934 K? 191 00:09:19,934 --> 00:09:21,855 Your medical your your health care number. 192 00:09:22,095 --> 00:09:25,215 I'm gonna tell you why I'm so fucking opposed to this. 193 00:09:25,535 --> 00:09:29,695 Because if you lose your ID, your biggest concern was that somebody knew where you 194 00:09:29,695 --> 00:09:30,335 fucking lived. 195 00:09:30,759 --> 00:09:31,399 Right. 196 00:09:31,799 --> 00:09:35,000 You lose that ID, and it can be lost for many reasons. 197 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:36,519 It just fell out of your purse. 198 00:09:36,759 --> 00:09:37,720 You put something down. 199 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:38,519 Someone stole it. 200 00:09:38,519 --> 00:09:40,679 Someone broke in somewhere and stole whatever. 201 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:42,039 You lose that ID. 202 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:46,845 You are now calling every single aspect in your life so that someone doesn't steal your 203 00:09:46,845 --> 00:09:47,325 identity. 204 00:09:47,325 --> 00:09:51,485 You've just made it easy to steal your identity off one piece of plastic. 205 00:09:52,125 --> 00:09:52,845 Right. 206 00:09:53,804 --> 00:09:57,004 Identity theft is something that has happened for a long time. 207 00:09:57,245 --> 00:09:59,245 Why do we keep making it easier for people? 208 00:10:01,459 --> 00:10:06,019 So people who work their whole lives have impeccable credit, have money in the bank, have 209 00:10:06,019 --> 00:10:10,659 mortgages paid off, all of a sudden, a year goes by because they lost their license one 210 00:10:10,659 --> 00:10:14,419 day, and they, you know, they let everyone know and everything, but then it doesn't negate the 211 00:10:14,419 --> 00:10:19,345 fact that now somebody's out there in another country or in another province racking it up, 212 00:10:19,904 --> 00:10:21,105 pretending to be them. 213 00:10:21,424 --> 00:10:23,264 And then how do they fix that? 214 00:10:23,264 --> 00:10:26,705 From what I understand in a lot of identity cases, you don't get that back. 215 00:10:26,705 --> 00:10:28,945 You don't get that super figured out. 216 00:10:28,945 --> 00:10:30,144 It's like, well, you gotta pay it. 217 00:10:30,144 --> 00:10:30,544 Sorry. 218 00:10:30,544 --> 00:10:31,345 Fuck you. 219 00:10:31,659 --> 00:10:36,299 You might have an insurance that might cover portions, but it doesn't negate the fact that 220 00:10:36,299 --> 00:10:40,860 you've just worked your whole life to watch one person completely destroy it. 221 00:10:41,340 --> 00:10:47,504 Because once upon a time, you fucking left your license at a bar or someone stole your license. 222 00:10:48,625 --> 00:10:49,184 Yep. 223 00:10:49,184 --> 00:10:50,304 I'm not a fan of that. 224 00:10:50,304 --> 00:10:55,345 So when I talk about digital IDs, I get very fucking nervous about digital there's so many 225 00:10:55,345 --> 00:10:59,504

things being digitized already, like my medical records, this, and the other thing. 226 00:10:59,504 --> 00:11:01,985 I can go in and access my medical records at any time. 227 00:11:02,759 --> 00:11:03,159 Right. 228 00:11:03,159 --> 00:11:05,159 So that's the other part of it. 229 00:11:05,159 --> 00:11:07,399 Because now there's the Alberta ID. 230 00:11:07,399 --> 00:11:09,399 So they want you all to be on an Alberta ID. 231 00:11:09,399 --> 00:11:11,320 What happens when you're not on Alberta ID? 232 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,839 What happens when I say no to the license? 233 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:16,919 Does that mean I don't get to drive anymore? 234 00:11:18,105 --> 00:11:19,225 You know what I mean? 235 00:11:19,225 --> 00:11:22,585 Like, does that mean that I now lose access to a whole bunch of different things because I 236 00:11:22,585 --> 00:11:24,904 don't wanna comply with your stupid ass government rules? 237 00:11:25,384 --> 00:11:25,945 That's what's coming in. 238 00:11:25,945 --> 00:11:28,184 I mean, that's what's happening in other countries right now. 239 00:11:28,264 --> 00:11:28,665 Right? 240 00:11:28,665 --> 00:11:29,544 And they're like, yeah. 241 00:11:29,544 --> 00:11:33,759 You don't have to comply, and you can't drive, and you can't bank, and you can't work, and you 242 00:11:33,759 --> 00:11:34,480 can't do this, 243 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:34,639 and you 244 00:11:34,639 --> 00:11:34,799 can't 245 00:11:34,799 --> 00:11:36,000 do But that's my point, Michael. 246 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:37,440 We're we live in Canada. 247 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:44,159 People who live in North America, it's supposed to be they they preach inside of our own 248 00:11:44,159 --> 00:11:46,399 national anthems of freedom. 249 00:11:46,399 --> 00:11:48,639 I don't see anything fucking free about what you guys are doing. 250 00:11:49,654 --> 00:11:50,054 No. 251 00:11:50,054 --> 00:11:51,095 I did the government Doesn't sound 252 00:11:51,095 --> 00:11:52,214 very free to me. 253 00:11:52,214 --> 00:11:53,975 Doesn't sound like freedom of speech. 254 00:11:53,975 --> 00:11:55,894 Doesn't sound like freedom of fucking anything. 255 00:11:55,894 --> 00:11:59,574 It sounds like we wanna know everything, so at any point in time, we can fucking threaten you 256 00:11:59,574 --> 00:12:03,095 to shut the fuck up and do what you're told because we have all the things on you that we 257 00:12:03,095 --> 00:12:03,254 need. 258 00:12:03,419 --> 00:12:04,539 That's what that sounds like. 259 00:12:04,539 --> 00:12:08,779 That sounds like backing some having enough ammunition to back somebody into corner, 260 00:12:08,779 --> 00:12:11,820 whether you're in a trades ID, whether you're in a medical ID, whether you're putting new 261 00:12:11,820 --> 00:12:12,299 license. 262 00:12:12,299 --> 00:12:17,100 It sounds like you are taking control of that person and their livelihood in one way, shape, 263 00:12:17,100 --> 00:12:20,825 or form so that you can

back them into a corner at any point you want. 264 00:12:21,144 --> 00:12:21,384 And I 265 00:12:21,384 --> 00:12:22,264 don't think they. 266 00:12:22,264 --> 00:12:25,065 When I say they, so it doesn't sound like I'm do I'm not doing this. 267 00:12:25,225 --> 00:12:26,105 They are doing this. 268 00:12:26,105 --> 00:12:26,904 I'm just saying. 269 00:12:26,904 --> 00:12:31,960 I'm just I'm hard pressed to believe that, oh god, I know you're on the same page with me. 270 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:33,639 Like, you're you're you're always conflicted. 271 00:12:33,639 --> 00:12:35,080 When it comes to digital, you're like, yes. 272 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,960 When it comes to taking over freedoms and control, you're like, fuck you. 273 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:38,200 No. 274 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:39,160 You've always been like that. 275 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:41,000 You don't like control and freedoms. 276 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:42,519 You like easier access. 277 00:12:42,519 --> 00:12:46,335 You like people to be able to do things that make more sense, that there's a, work smarter, 278 00:12:46,335 --> 00:12:46,815 not harder. 279 00:12:46,815 --> 00:12:48,095 That's kind of your motto. 280 00:12:48,095 --> 00:12:52,894 But when it starts to infringe on freedoms and privacy, you're very like, fuck you. 281 00:12:53,215 --> 00:12:56,654 So I don't think you're necessarily on the other side of this than me. 282 00:12:56,735 --> 00:13:00,414 I like personal and free enterprise to do it because it's it's a choice to do it. 283 00:13:00,809 --> 00:13:04,570 Rather than a mandate or a law or something else like that. 284 00:13:04,570 --> 00:13:06,649 And there is a difference between a mandate and a law. 285 00:13:07,049 --> 00:13:09,929 If you get mandated to do it, doesn't mean you have to do it. 286 00:13:09,929 --> 00:13:13,690 A mandate requires a mandateee and a mandator, so an acceptance of it. 287 00:13:13,690 --> 00:13:15,450 So if it's a mandate, you do not have to do it. 288 00:13:15,804 --> 00:13:19,965 But will you lose capabilities because you chose not to do it? 289 00:13:19,965 --> 00:13:20,524 Possibly. 290 00:13:21,085 --> 00:13:25,404 So but my doing research on this is I was really concerned because there's a bunch of 291 00:13:25,404 --> 00:13:25,884 different things. 292 00:13:25,884 --> 00:13:27,804 You have GC wallet. 293 00:13:27,804 --> 00:13:29,085 You have GC verify. 294 00:13:29,450 --> 00:13:30,730 You have browser logins. 295 00:13:30,730 --> 00:13:31,769 You have phone apps. 296 00:13:31,769 --> 00:13:32,970 You have Canada login. 297 00:13:32,970 --> 00:13:35,769 You have a GC Key and other identity providers. 298 00:13:35,929 --> 00:13:40,490 You have credential you have credential issuers websites that you can go log in to. 299 00:13:40,490 --> 00:13:41,929 Then you have the provincial registries. 300 00:13:41,929 --> 00:13:43,529 Then you have a new employer software. 301 00:13:44,024 --> 00:13:50,184 And I mean, the amount of potential to open this up and have issues by making it a single 302 00:13:50,184 --> 00:13:55,144 access point just seems so absolutely crazy to me. 303 00:13:55,785 --> 00:13:56,024 Right? 304 00:13:56,024 --> 00:14:00,919 I mean, like, if you if you have if say for example, for trades, perfect example, it's a 305 00:14:00,919 --> 00:14:01,639 diploma. 306 00:14:02,519 --> 00:14:05,319 It's a diploma you can have on your wall, take a picture and send it. 307 00:14:05,319 --> 00:14:09,319 If the employer wants to check into it, it's their due diligence to check into it, pushing 308 00:14:09,319 --> 00:14:16,085 it to the employee that's gonna be probably on your phone, and it's going to have location 309 00:14:16,085 --> 00:14:18,004 based services required. 310 00:14:19,684 --> 00:14:25,125 I guarantee I would put money on it that it's gonna have location based services required, 311 00:14:25,125 --> 00:14:26,644 which means they know where you are at all times. 312 00:14:26,759 --> 00:14:28,440 That's not something I wanna share. 313 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:31,799 That's not something I wanna share with my friends, let alone the government. 314 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,600 And it's not to hide anything because people are like, what do you got to hide? 315 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:35,559 It's not about hiding something. 316 00:14:35,559 --> 00:14:36,519 It's just right to privacy. 317 00:14:39,095 --> 00:14:40,615 I hear you. 318 00:14:40,615 --> 00:14:44,855 I'm just in the I'm like, my brain is going into a headspace of, wow, you guys really wanna 319 00:14:44,855 --> 00:14:49,175 put all this money into a tracking system for trades when you should be putting into a 320 00:14:49,175 --> 00:14:51,254 tracking system of pedophiles. 321 00:14:52,295 --> 00:14:53,335 Kinda kinda interesting. 322 00:14:53,335 --> 00:14:53,415 Right? 323 00:14:53,610 --> 00:14:54,169 Yeah. 324 00:14:54,169 --> 00:14:54,809 It is. 325 00:14:54,809 --> 00:14:55,129 It is. 326 00:14:55,129 --> 00:14:58,490 We don't we don't have a pedophile registry that you can access to make sure you're moving 327 00:14:58,490 --> 00:14:59,529 into a safe neighborhood. 328 00:14:59,529 --> 00:15:00,250 We don't have that. 329 00:15:00,250 --> 00:15:03,049 But you gotta know where all the trades people are, especially if they're working inter 330 00:15:03,049 --> 00:15:03,769 provincially. 331 00:15:04,009 --> 00:15:04,490 Right? 332 00:15:05,690 --> 00:15:06,250 Stupid. 333 00:15:06,975 --> 00:15:07,375 Right? 334 00:15:07,375 --> 00:15:12,095 And and the problem is is so some softwares, when they do updates and they push updates, 335 00:15:12,095 --> 00:15:16,254 firmware updates, hard updates, rules updates, that type of stuff like that, some don't let 336 00:15:16,254 --> 00:15:16,654 you know. 337 00:15:16,654 --> 00:15:20,654 And I'm worried, like usually happens with the government, is something will change and they 338 00:15:20,654 --> 00:15:21,294 don't tell you. 339

00:15:21,294 --> 00:15:23,129 It just changes and you're expected to know. 340 00:15:23,129 --> 00:15:25,610 Because ignorance of the law is not an excuse. 341 00:15:26,410 --> 00:15:26,730 Right? 342 00:15:26,730 --> 00:15:31,129 And if it suddenly becomes law that, hey, this is now required, right, which it could 343 00:15:31,129 --> 00:15:37,995 eventually be, if not almost immediately, That's that I think is is is silly. 344 00:15:38,235 --> 00:15:45,674 A silly control mechanism, especially in a sector where most people love their freedoms. 345 00:15:45,754 --> 00:15:47,674 They love being independent. 346 00:15:47,674 --> 00:15:52,279 They love having that freedom of choice and don't like generally government oversight. 347 00:15:54,679 --> 00:15:57,799 That's typically when I'm around tradespeople, that's the types of conversations. 348 00:15:57,799 --> 00:16:00,679 And now you wanna put it in that sector particularly? 349 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:01,399 Yeah. 350 00:16:02,375 --> 00:16:04,535 Why why that particular sector? 351 00:16:04,855 --> 00:16:05,174 It's a 352 00:16:05,174 --> 00:16:05,335 great point. 353 00:16:05,335 --> 00:16:07,014 Why not all diploma systems? 354 00:16:07,575 --> 00:16:09,254 That's a good point. 355 00:16:09,254 --> 00:16:11,575 Why aren't all diplomas just registered with the government? 356 00:16:11,575 --> 00:16:15,414 The government hosts it on a website, and if an employer wants to check it, they go in, they 357 00:16:15,414 --> 00:16:17,735 put the person's information in and their SIN number. 358 00:16:17,949 --> 00:16:18,589 Done. 359 00:16:19,309 --> 00:16:20,669 No one needs an app. 360 00:16:20,669 --> 00:16:22,110 No one needs anything else. 361 00:16:22,829 --> 00:16:23,950 It's just finished. 362 00:16:24,669 --> 00:16:28,589 It just seems like every time I turn around, that's what employers are doing already 363 00:16:28,589 --> 00:16:29,149 anyways. 364 00:16:29,149 --> 00:16:29,549 It's like they were 365 00:16:29,549 --> 00:16:30,589 like, oh, we want you 366 00:16:30,589 --> 00:16:32,190 to take this phone so we can track you. 367 00:16:32,190 --> 00:16:32,990 And it's like, fuck off. 368 00:16:33,544 --> 00:16:34,184 Right. 369 00:16:34,184 --> 00:16:35,065 Do you know what I mean? 370 00:16:35,065 --> 00:16:40,825 It's like, where I choose to go is none of your business. 371 00:16:40,985 --> 00:16:41,625 Right. 372 00:16:41,944 --> 00:16:42,904 Off time. 373 00:16:43,304 --> 00:16:48,620 So you wanna put a GPS in my vehicle, like in the vehicle you're providing with for me, then 374 00:16:48,620 --> 00:16:52,700 you get to see what I do during the day, and you get to see that I park at home. 375 00:16:52,700 --> 00:16:55,500 After that, it's none of your fucking business what I'm doing. 376 00:16:55,500 --> 00:16:59,899 And the fact that you want a tracking mechanism on a phone, you better be supplying the phone 377 00:16:59,899 --> 00:17:01,740 because the phone's sitting in the fucking truck. 378 00:17:01,820 --> 00:17:02,139 Yep. 379 00:17:03,004 --> 00:17:05,325 Like, to me, it's it's too invasive. 380 00:17:05,325 --> 00:17:05,884 You know? 381 00:17:07,164 --> 00:17:08,924 It's just far too invasive these days. 382 00:17:08,924 --> 00:17:14,125 It's like everybody wants it's like everybody just wants to know everything as a controlling 383 00:17:14,125 --> 00:17:17,329 mechanism, which is kind of interesting because this is what's kinda creeped up in my life 384 00:17:17,329 --> 00:17:19,329 lately is the controlling mechanism. 385 00:17:19,329 --> 00:17:19,730 Yep. 386 00:17:19,730 --> 00:17:28,289 And it's like, there is elements of the optics of control and elements of not, and how you 387 00:17:28,529 --> 00:17:30,769 maneuver those controlling tactics. 388 00:17:30,769 --> 00:17:33,394 Because you and I talked about trust. 389 00:17:33,474 --> 00:17:34,035 Right? 390 00:17:34,355 --> 00:17:38,914 So I think control is a really great topic to delve into on this side. 391 00:17:38,914 --> 00:17:42,914 Because for me, this topic that you're talking about, we need more information. 392 00:17:43,650 --> 00:17:45,490 They're just popping off right now. 393 00:17:45,490 --> 00:17:46,609 It's really limited. 394 00:17:46,609 --> 00:17:50,289 Like, Carney's saying, like, launching in spring of twenty twenty seven, that's not that 395 00:17:50,289 --> 00:17:54,369 far away, and the information is so few and far between to find. 396 00:17:54,369 --> 00:17:59,345 Like, you know, like, when a check is done, is that going to log a bunch of information? 397 00:17:59,345 --> 00:17:59,585 Right? 398 00:17:59,585 --> 00:18:05,345 Like, is it gonna is it gonna log the employer, the verifier, date, time, IP address every time 399 00:18:05,345 --> 00:18:06,465 the credential's checked? 400 00:18:06,465 --> 00:18:12,429 Do you gotta do you need can you can you deny Bluetooth, camera, or other permissions on that 401 00:18:12,429 --> 00:18:12,909 app? 402 00:18:12,909 --> 00:18:13,710 I don't know. 403 00:18:13,789 --> 00:18:18,909 Are they gonna show the third party validation and source code for this actual application? 404 00:18:19,069 --> 00:18:20,190 Probably not. 405 00:18:20,429 --> 00:18:24,109 And we know how it worked with the COVID track and trace app. 406 00:18:24,269 --> 00:18:26,755 That cluster of wasted money, what was it? 407 00:18:26,755 --> 00:18:30,755 $400,000,000, something crazy, and then another company built in on the weekend with three 408 00:18:30,755 --> 00:18:31,394 guys? 409 00:18:31,795 --> 00:18:34,035 Where's that money gonna go? 410 00:18:34,035 --> 00:18:35,075 Who's it being spent with? 411 00:18:35,075 --> 00:18:36,275 Was it bidded on? 412 00:18:36,275 --> 00:18:37,875 Where was the vote for this? 413 00:18:37,875 --> 00:18:39,795 I don't remember there being a vote for this. 414 00:18:40,759 --> 00:18:41,080 Right? 415 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:43,160 It's just it's just all kinda happening. 416

00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:43,720 Right? 417 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:43,880 Yeah. 418 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:47,079 It's a big it's a big change for it to just happen. 419 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:51,240 Well, and that's and I think that what you're asking is are great questions. 420 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:51,559 Right? 421 00:18:51,559 --> 00:18:58,455 Because it's like control says you have to change, and us responding wanna put boundaries 422 00:18:58,455 --> 00:19:03,095 to say things like, well, I won't participate under these conditions, which then comes back 423 00:19:03,095 --> 00:19:05,015 to what's the retaliation? 424 00:19:05,015 --> 00:19:05,255 Mhmm. 425 00:19:05,255 --> 00:19:07,654 What's the consequences of us saying no? 426 00:19:09,349 --> 00:19:10,789 That's really what it comes down to. 427 00:19:10,950 --> 00:19:15,029 Need more we need more clarity around the whole system itself. 428 00:19:15,190 --> 00:19:16,470 Like you said, there's not a lot. 429 00:19:16,470 --> 00:19:18,149 There's, like, little tidbits here and there. 430 00:19:18,149 --> 00:19:20,630 They're not really giving you the whole meat and potatoes. 431 00:19:21,125 --> 00:19:27,045 And I think what fear where the fear lies for both of us, of the politician in place, because 432 00:19:27,045 --> 00:19:32,404 I'm not looking at the politician, I'm looking at what's being put forward from a political 433 00:19:32,404 --> 00:19:32,965 standpoint. 434 00:19:32,965 --> 00:19:39,460 And I'm saying to myself, are you going to release the information prior to dropping this? 435 00:19:39,460 --> 00:19:39,779 Probably not. 436 00:19:40,099 --> 00:19:44,980 If you don't, then what you're what you're doing is you are strong arming everybody. 437 00:19:44,980 --> 00:19:46,500 You know how many trades have been browbeat? 438 00:19:46,500 --> 00:19:47,619 These guys are all used to it. 439 00:19:47,619 --> 00:19:49,779 So at this point, they're probably gonna tell you to fuck off. 440 00:19:49,865 --> 00:19:51,945 And there's probably gonna be a lot of them that don't do it. 441 00:19:51,945 --> 00:19:55,705 And, you know, governments and municipalities and all levels, I should say, all levels of 442 00:19:55,705 --> 00:19:58,904 government pull this shit where they're like, we're gonna do this, and you're gonna have to 443 00:19:58,904 --> 00:19:59,464 do this. 444 00:19:59,625 --> 00:20:04,744 And so what comes to my brain right away is who's policing it? 445 00:20:06,049 --> 00:20:07,970 Well, that's that's where it comes down to. 446 00:20:07,970 --> 00:20:08,210 Right? 447 00:20:08,210 --> 00:20:14,289 So, like, who's responsible when a compromised verified device or anything exposes the 448 00:20:14,289 --> 00:20:16,609 workers' information, the employer, province? 449 00:20:17,265 --> 00:20:18,865 Is it the federal government? 450 00:20:18,865 --> 00:20:20,144 Is it the province? 451 00:20:20,224 --> 00:20:21,345 Is it the employer? 452 00:20:21,345 --> 00:20:22,544 Is it

the employee? 453 00:20:22,545 --> 00:20:23,664 Is it their phone? 454 00:20:23,984 --> 00:20:25,744 Who's responsible if there's a data breach? 455 00:20:26,464 --> 00:20:30,305 Because if there's a data breach, absolutely, I mean, people should be able to phish for a 456 00:20:30,305 --> 00:20:30,865 payout. 457 00:20:30,990 --> 00:20:31,390 Right? 458 00:20:31,390 --> 00:20:33,549 Because now that what if you're using the same password? 459 00:20:33,549 --> 00:20:35,069 Will it be a provided password? 460 00:20:35,309 --> 00:20:35,549 Yeah. 461 00:20:35,549 --> 00:20:36,509 I don't know. 462 00:20:36,509 --> 00:20:40,349 This is all stupid when you could just have an open database. 463 00:20:40,750 --> 00:20:41,470 Just open. 464 00:20:41,470 --> 00:20:43,710 I mean, it's so different than if you're a doctor or anything else. 465 00:20:43,710 --> 00:20:43,869 Right? 466 00:20:43,869 --> 00:20:44,589 You get somebody's name. 467 00:20:44,589 --> 00:20:46,269 You can look up to see whether or not they're an actual doctor. 468 00:20:46,914 --> 00:20:48,994 You can look up to see whether or they actually have those credentials. 469 00:20:48,994 --> 00:20:51,474 You can already do that with Red Seal Trades in Ontario. 470 00:20:51,634 --> 00:20:57,394 Places like Saskatchewan, a little bit more wishy washy, but then force Saskatchewan to 471 00:20:57,394 --> 00:21:00,115 mimic the other provinces where it's a simple search database. 472 00:21:01,589 --> 00:21:06,470 I can't I'm I'm having a hard time because I know that there's unions out here for welders 473 00:21:06,470 --> 00:21:10,470 and and I believe electricians and carpentry. 474 00:21:10,630 --> 00:21:13,605 Like, I know that there's there's unions. 475 00:21:13,924 --> 00:21:16,244 So could you not just check with the union? 476 00:21:16,244 --> 00:21:18,884 I don't know what the where their PIPA laws stand for that. 477 00:21:18,884 --> 00:21:19,445 If they're like, hey. 478 00:21:19,445 --> 00:21:20,085 Just need to check. 479 00:21:20,085 --> 00:21:22,724 Is this person a part of this union? 480 00:21:23,285 --> 00:21:23,525 Yeah. 481 00:21:23,525 --> 00:21:26,005 When you do a union check, you can just check with the union. 482 00:21:26,005 --> 00:21:30,390 But if you're checking for actual credentials, like graduated from college, right, as a red 483 00:21:30,390 --> 00:21:30,789 suit You 484 00:21:30,630 --> 00:21:32,549 You can't be part of the union without it. 485 00:21:32,950 --> 00:21:33,349 Right. 486 00:21:33,349 --> 00:21:35,910 Well, but did the how's the union vetting it? 487 00:21:35,910 --> 00:21:36,150 Right? 488 00:21:36,150 --> 00:21:41,829 So the the whole idea is to make it easy for the hirer and the employee, right, employee 489 00:21:41,829 --> 00:21:43,190 employer to moot easier. 490 00:21:44,204 --> 00:21:48,444 When you graduate or you sign up for your first year, awesome. 491 00:21:48,444 --> 00:21:49,004 Congratulations. 492 00:21:49,085 --> 00:21:51,085 Here's your first year, you're a first year apprentice. 493 00:21:51,085 --> 00:21:52,204 Here's your QR code. 494 00:21:52,204 --> 00:21:53,964 We'll keep it updated on our end. 495 00:21:53,964 --> 00:21:58,044 Here's your laminated QR code that you can share with anyone, anytime to prove your 496 00:21:58,044 --> 00:21:58,444 credentials. 497 00:21:58,759 --> 00:22:02,600 Which also means an inspector comes by and you just go, here. 498 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:03,240 And they go, boop. 499 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:04,119 And it goes, awesome. 500 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:04,759 There's your picture. 501 00:22:04,759 --> 00:22:07,880 You update your picture every five years like you do with your driver's license. 502 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:08,519 There's your picture. 503 00:22:08,519 --> 00:22:09,320 There's your credentials. 504 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:09,880 Done. 505 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:10,519 So easy. 506 00:22:11,085 --> 00:22:12,524 It's so easy. 507 00:22:12,845 --> 00:22:14,604 I don't understand what the problem is. 508 00:22:14,924 --> 00:22:19,404 All it is is just name, photo, and what what credentials they have. 509 00:22:19,404 --> 00:22:19,804 That's it. 510 00:22:19,804 --> 00:22:20,364 Done. 511 00:22:20,605 --> 00:22:20,924 Mhmm. 512 00:22:20,924 --> 00:22:22,764 You don't need a digital ID. 513 00:22:23,005 --> 00:22:30,809 This ID, I guarantee you, is it is bait for what's going to be happening. 514 00:22:30,809 --> 00:22:34,890 And if the adoption rate is reasonable, they'll start rolling it out into other sectors, maybe 515 00:22:34,890 --> 00:22:36,329 even nationwide for everything. 516 00:22:36,329 --> 00:22:37,049 All employment. 517 00:22:37,049 --> 00:22:42,205 Maybe all employment gets done that way, Not just interprovincial I'm 518 00:22:42,205 --> 00:22:42,845 looking it up. 519 00:22:42,845 --> 00:22:43,884 Give me a second. 520 00:22:46,605 --> 00:22:48,125 So it's it's it's a I'm looking 521 00:22:48,125 --> 00:22:51,325 it up for, like well, I'm looking it up for Alberta, obviously. 522 00:22:51,325 --> 00:22:56,180 Alberta journey person certification, interprovincial red seal, or recognized trade 523 00:22:56,180 --> 00:23:00,259 credential in Alberta from another Canadian jurisdiction, the military, or specific 524 00:23:00,259 --> 00:23:02,419 international union trading program. 525 00:23:03,220 --> 00:23:08,180 So the so you have to provide your credentials in order to be part of these unions. 526 00:23:08,755 --> 00:23:13,474 So the Alberta Journeyperson certification proves completion of the required on the job 527 00:23:13,474 --> 00:23:17,954 hours and technical training, red seal endorsement, interprovincial standard allowing 528 00:23:17,954 --> 00:23:25,940 certified trades people to participate across Canada, Trades qualifier program approved out 529 00:23:25,940 --> 00:23:28,179 of province union certification. 530 00:23:31,059 --> 00:23:32,339 So yeah. 531 00:23:32,339 --> 00:23:40,044 Because

they oversee so joining of joining or forming a trade union, there's so many hoops 532 00:23:40,044 --> 00:23:41,005 you have to get through. 533 00:23:41,005 --> 00:23:44,125 It's not just like, oh, I did this, and here's my little piece of paper. 534 00:23:44,125 --> 00:23:45,565 It's like they check. 535 00:23:45,724 --> 00:23:46,364 Yeah. 536 00:23:47,244 --> 00:23:48,444 They do their due diligence. 537 00:23:48,444 --> 00:23:49,244 They vet it. 538 00:23:49,484 --> 00:23:53,644 And and there are certain documents that have to be provided for vetting. 539 00:23:54,190 --> 00:23:54,829 Right. 540 00:23:54,990 --> 00:23:55,630 Right? 541 00:23:55,950 --> 00:24:00,750 So if you're like, oh, I got this diploma somewhere in, like, a college unknown. 542 00:24:00,750 --> 00:24:01,869 They're like, mm-mm. 543 00:24:02,830 --> 00:24:07,070 So they have prerequisite colleges and university and trade schools that they 544 00:24:07,070 --> 00:24:07,630 acknowledge. 545 00:24:08,125 --> 00:24:08,525 Right. 546 00:24:08,525 --> 00:24:13,244 So if you worked in a trade school that's not listed in an international database that 547 00:24:13,244 --> 00:24:19,004 actually has, like, a a rating system for the trades, they don't recognize you. 548 00:24:19,164 --> 00:24:21,244 But this is all trade schools in Canada. 549 00:24:21,244 --> 00:24:22,284 It's not international. 550 00:24:22,284 --> 00:24:23,325 This is strictly different 551 00:24:23,325 --> 00:24:23,964 for in Canada. 552 00:24:24,419 --> 00:24:24,740 Fair. 553 00:24:24,740 --> 00:24:28,500 But there's lots of trade schools in Canada that don't have the same recognition because 554 00:24:28,500 --> 00:24:30,259 they might not have the same output. 555 00:24:31,379 --> 00:24:32,259 I don't know. 556 00:24:32,259 --> 00:24:32,980 I couldn't tell you. 557 00:24:32,980 --> 00:24:34,099 I'm just I'm just saying. 558 00:24:34,099 --> 00:24:38,484 There's lots of educational and training schools out there. 559 00:24:38,565 --> 00:24:44,484 But if they're not recognized or accredited or certified as an actual trade school, they don't 560 00:24:44,484 --> 00:24:45,525 get recognized. 561 00:24:46,005 --> 00:24:48,805 So when you go to a union, they're like, who's that? 562 00:24:50,279 --> 00:24:51,720 Gonna need to see all your logs. 563 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,400 I'm gonna need to look into this this college, allegedly. 564 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:59,559 And maybe they look into the college and it's a good college, but no one's ever come out of it. 565 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:00,359 Right. 566 00:25:00,360 --> 00:25:01,480 They might deny you. 567 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,559 They might get the college to jump through hoops. 568 00:25:04,865 --> 00:25:05,664 I don't know. 569 00:25:06,945 --> 00:25:07,585 I I don't know. 570 00:25:07,585 --> 00:25:12,625 But what I'm saying to you is that at the end of the day, there is a process for you to be 571 00:25:12,625 --> 00:25:13,825 part of these unions. 572 00:25:13,825 --> 00:25:16,384 And I don't know if I agree with this digital ID. 573 00:25:16,384 --> 00:25:20,089 I don't know if I think this is a tabs to keep track of people that are moving through the 574 00:25:20,089 --> 00:25:20,809 provinces. 575 00:25:21,210 --> 00:25:26,410 I think this is also a bit of an effort to and I'm just gonna throw it out there because it's 576 00:25:26,410 --> 00:25:29,289 my opinion because, you know, there's always a correlation of things. 577 00:25:29,690 --> 00:25:35,825 There's a lot of new immigration into Canada, and I think they wanna keep tabs of where 578 00:25:35,825 --> 00:25:37,105 they're spanning across. 579 00:25:37,345 --> 00:25:39,424 I don't I don't know if that's true because I mean 580 00:25:39,505 --> 00:25:39,825 I do. 581 00:25:39,825 --> 00:25:42,304 I think they wanna stay at 300,000. 582 00:25:42,305 --> 00:25:46,065 Now I might get in trouble according to c nine by saying this, the new law. 583 00:25:46,619 --> 00:25:51,019 But there's like 300,000 people who didn't show up to their deportation hearings. 584 00:25:51,420 --> 00:25:52,779 Do you think they're looking for them? 585 00:25:52,779 --> 00:25:54,619 Do you think they're doing anything about it? 586 00:25:55,339 --> 00:25:56,299 Nothing I've Deep 587 00:25:57,579 --> 00:25:59,660 down inside my little liberal heart hopes so. 588 00:26:01,015 --> 00:26:02,214 I don't think so. 589 00:26:03,894 --> 00:26:08,455 And and while they're on deportation status, they're still receiving everything that they 590 00:26:08,455 --> 00:26:08,855 were receiving. 591 00:26:08,934 --> 00:26:10,455 On deportation status? 592 00:26:10,455 --> 00:26:11,335 Let's start there. 593 00:26:11,335 --> 00:26:11,815 Do you know? 594 00:26:11,815 --> 00:26:13,654 I there could be a million different reasons. 595 00:26:13,654 --> 00:26:13,815 K. 596 00:26:14,190 --> 00:26:19,069 I wanna believe that Canada is not as frivolous to think, well, they're on deportation status. 597 00:26:19,069 --> 00:26:20,749 That in itself is important. 598 00:26:20,990 --> 00:26:23,549 But what's more important is why. 599 00:26:23,549 --> 00:26:25,710 Did have they just overstayed their visa? 600 00:26:25,710 --> 00:26:28,029 Have they decided that they're gonna start working when they shouldn't be? 601 00:26:28,325 --> 00:26:30,085 Or are they a fucking criminal? 602 00:26:30,325 --> 00:26:31,684 That's what I'm gonna pay attention to. 603 00:26:31,684 --> 00:26:36,724 If someone worked in Canada when they shouldn't have, nay nay, you gotta go back home. 604 00:26:36,964 --> 00:26:39,684 I'm not I'm gonna tend to kinda be like, man, they gotta make a living. 605 00:26:39,684 --> 00:26:40,724 They've here for a while. 606 00:26:40,724 --> 00:26:41,365 They wanted to try. 607 00:26:41,365 --> 00:26:41,684 Still a crime. 608 00:26:42,079 --> 00:26:46,319 They tried to fucking sneak through and and and see if anybody fucking noticed. 609 00:26:46,319 --> 00:26:47,039 You

know I mean? 610 00:26:47,039 --> 00:26:50,079 It's kind of one of those things where I'm like, is it bad? 611 00:26:50,079 --> 00:26:50,400 Sure. 612 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:50,799 It's bad. 613 00:26:50,799 --> 00:26:52,880 Am am I gonna chastise somebody for it? 614 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:53,039 No. 615 00:26:53,039 --> 00:26:53,680 Not bad. 616 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:54,480 It's not bad. 617 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:55,039 It's a crime. 618 00:26:55,545 --> 00:26:57,384 So you said if they're criminals, they should be gone. 619 00:26:57,384 --> 00:26:58,184 That's a crime. 620 00:26:58,184 --> 00:26:59,785 I'm talking about heinous crimes. 621 00:26:59,785 --> 00:27:00,664 Are they killing people? 622 00:27:00,664 --> 00:27:01,785 Are they raping people? 623 00:27:01,785 --> 00:27:02,664 Are they stealing from people? 624 00:27:02,664 --> 00:27:03,944 Are they stealing IDs? 625 00:27:04,184 --> 00:27:06,825 I don't look at someone working as stealing from people. 626 00:27:06,825 --> 00:27:07,705 Maybe I'm crazy. 627 00:27:07,705 --> 00:27:08,265 They are stealing. 628 00:27:08,265 --> 00:27:11,910 They're they're stealing money that otherwise somebody else could have been hired for that 629 00:27:11,910 --> 00:27:12,309 position. 630 00:27:12,309 --> 00:27:12,710 Oh my god. 631 00:27:12,710 --> 00:27:15,749 You sound Caucasian right now. 632 00:27:15,829 --> 00:27:16,869 It's not Caucasian. 633 00:27:16,869 --> 00:27:17,509 It's anybody. 634 00:27:17,509 --> 00:27:17,750 Look. 635 00:27:17,750 --> 00:27:19,349 I'm first generation Canadian. 636 00:27:20,710 --> 00:27:21,909 You're first generation? 637 00:27:22,069 --> 00:27:22,390 Yep. 638 00:27:22,390 --> 00:27:23,429 First generation Canadian. 639 00:27:23,835 --> 00:27:24,234 Yeah. 640 00:27:24,234 --> 00:27:25,835 But there's a white privilege where, 641 00:27:25,835 --> 00:27:27,515 you know White privilege. 642 00:27:27,515 --> 00:27:32,794 I don't I'm like I'm like my my so on my dad's side, I'm first gen. 643 00:27:32,794 --> 00:27:33,914 On my mom's side, fuck. 644 00:27:33,914 --> 00:27:34,554 Who knows? 645 00:27:35,115 --> 00:27:37,275 Like, we've here a long time on my mom's side. 646 00:27:37,275 --> 00:27:39,349 So it's like it it's like it cancels it out. 647 00:27:39,349 --> 00:27:40,389 I'll just say six. 648 00:27:40,549 --> 00:27:40,950 Right. 649 00:27:40,950 --> 00:27:48,069 My point is I'm giving you a hard time, but my point in this situation is that you're saying 650 00:27:48,069 --> 00:27:48,710 it's a crime. 651 00:27:48,710 --> 00:27:52,710 I'm not gonna sit here and deny that it's a crime, but to me, there are more heinous crimes 652 00:27:52,710 --> 00:27:56,604 out there that are worth searching for these people. 653 00:27:56,684 --> 00:27:58,204 I don't believe that they're stealing from us. 654 00:27:58,204 --> 00:27:59,164 They're still paying taxes. 655 00:27:59,164 --> 00:28:00,204 They're still getting income tax. 656 00:28:00,204 --> 00:28:02,524 They're still doing all that unless they're working under the table. 657 00:28:02,524 --> 00:28:06,204 And then it comes back to the same old question of, oh, they're taking jobs from people. 658 00:28:06,204 --> 00:28:09,809 Well, if you were out there and had motivation, they would have never been able to get that 659 00:28:09,809 --> 00:28:10,289 job. 660 00:28:10,450 --> 00:28:10,929 Wait. 661 00:28:10,929 --> 00:28:17,970 If you're not a Canadian citizen, right, and you're here illegally, you can't pay tax. 662 00:28:17,970 --> 00:28:19,009 You can't pay income tax. 663 00:28:19,065 --> 00:28:22,744 You're only paying sales tax like whatever you buy and sell, but you're not paying income tax. 664 00:28:22,904 --> 00:28:28,504 That could be anywhere between a 20 and a 50% difference on what the government should be 665 00:28:28,504 --> 00:28:29,144 receiving. 666 00:28:29,224 --> 00:28:30,424 That's a huge amount of money. 667 00:28:30,744 --> 00:28:35,769 All while you're still receiving free healthcare, dental, optical. 668 00:28:35,849 --> 00:28:39,769 So when they go in for those appointments, shouldn't they be like, Hey, boop boop, red 669 00:28:39,769 --> 00:28:40,650 flag here. 670 00:28:40,809 --> 00:28:42,890 Well, yeah, because you have to get a healthcare card. 671 00:28:42,970 --> 00:28:45,210 They don't get free healthcare without a healthcare card. 672 00:28:45,690 --> 00:28:47,609 I'm telling you, Lisa, you gotta look it up. 673 00:28:47,609 --> 00:28:48,330 You gotta look it up. 674 00:28:48,795 --> 00:28:52,475 Somebody comes in here as asylum seeking, even temporary and stuff like that, they get 675 00:28:52,475 --> 00:28:53,994 different benefits than we do. 676 00:28:53,994 --> 00:28:57,755 And if they overstay their time and they're welcome, or they commit a crime and are 677 00:28:57,755 --> 00:29:01,434 supposed to be deported and don't show up, right, because they're given leave, they still 678 00:29:01,434 --> 00:29:04,315 receive all those benefits, including the money going into their bank account. 679 00:29:04,930 --> 00:29:06,369 It's ridiculous. 680 00:29:06,769 --> 00:29:11,170 I I don't think it's good for any problem anybody any country. 681 00:29:11,170 --> 00:29:12,130 Something to. 682 00:29:12,529 --> 00:29:14,929 You're so passionate, Michael. 683 00:29:15,170 --> 00:29:17,009 Well, I just I just think fucking money. 684 00:29:18,434 --> 00:29:19,315 I just think They 685 00:29:19,154 --> 00:29:22,194 They were taking our money the minute they came in on asylum. 686 00:29:22,515 --> 00:29:23,234 Yeah. 687 00:29:23,315 --> 00:29:23,634 Yeah. 688 00:29:23,634 --> 00:29:27,634 So if they've overstayed their welcome and the government hasn't tracked them down and said, 689 00:29:27,634 --> 00:29:27,955 hey. 690 00:29:27,955 --> 00:29:29,795 It's been swelled, but the swelling's gone down. 691 00:29:29,795 --> 00:29:30,674 Time to go home. 692 00:29:31,660 --> 00:29:35,740 They're here on asylum, so can the government

even send them back home when we start the 693 00:29:35,740 --> 00:29:36,940 process to PR? 694 00:29:37,099 --> 00:29:38,539 I'm not just talking about asylum. 695 00:29:38,539 --> 00:29:39,740 There's there's asylum. 696 00:29:39,740 --> 00:29:43,019 There's there's well, I mean, we're seeing it now with the protest from people who came over 697 00:29:43,019 --> 00:29:45,660 here on education permit, and now they want the right to work. 698 00:29:45,660 --> 00:29:46,140 You're like, no. 699 00:29:46,140 --> 00:29:46,940 You came here for education. 700 00:29:47,234 --> 00:29:48,115 Go back home. 701 00:29:48,115 --> 00:29:50,035 Reapply to come over here as a citizen. 702 00:29:50,035 --> 00:29:50,755 No problem. 703 00:29:50,755 --> 00:29:51,315 Yeah. 704 00:29:52,275 --> 00:29:56,595 And that's I've been through this where I had an employee that went through this. 705 00:29:56,595 --> 00:29:57,075 Okay? 706 00:29:57,234 --> 00:30:03,089 And I had to tell him to get on a plane and go home so we could sort it out because his his 707 00:30:03,490 --> 00:30:05,009 work visa had lapsed. 708 00:30:05,089 --> 00:30:07,170 And I'd said that to him. 709 00:30:07,170 --> 00:30:07,970 I said, go home. 710 00:30:07,970 --> 00:30:08,609 We'll call you. 711 00:30:08,609 --> 00:30:11,649 Now he wasn't from any crazy place in my opinion. 712 00:30:13,089 --> 00:30:15,169 It was Europe, but it wasn't anything crazy. 713 00:30:15,569 --> 00:30:19,855 And he was really upset because he had made Canada his home for five years, he'd been we 714 00:30:19,855 --> 00:30:21,614 kept renewing his work visa. 715 00:30:21,855 --> 00:30:24,734 And this time, the government fucking choked us up. 716 00:30:24,815 --> 00:30:25,454 Right. 717 00:30:25,694 --> 00:30:30,894 And I was like, what and I said and I remember going to my immigration lawyer and asking him. 718 00:30:30,894 --> 00:30:31,855 And I said, hey, bud. 719 00:30:32,549 --> 00:30:33,269 What do we do? 720 00:30:33,269 --> 00:30:37,989 And he said, now, because everything's up in the air, he fucking lifts a tool. 721 00:30:37,990 --> 00:30:39,349 Everybody's fined. 722 00:30:39,349 --> 00:30:39,909 Mhmm. 723 00:30:40,149 --> 00:30:44,710 He said, tell him he said, put him on a plane back home right now till we can get this shit 724 00:30:44,710 --> 00:30:47,355 sorted out because it's in him. 725 00:30:47,355 --> 00:30:50,154 He he's like, he's already proven that he's a valuable worker. 726 00:30:50,154 --> 00:30:51,195 He's already a foreman. 727 00:30:51,195 --> 00:30:51,674 He does this. 728 00:30:51,674 --> 00:30:52,394 He does that. 729 00:30:52,394 --> 00:30:53,434 He goes above and beyond. 730 00:30:53,434 --> 00:30:54,474 He takes pride in his work. 731 00:30:54,474 --> 00:30:57,515 There's no fucking way he can sit and wait and do nothing. 732 00:30:57,515 --> 00:31:00,795 He's gonna try and find cash jobs, and he's gonna screw everybody over because he's 733 00:31:00,795 --> 00:31:01,515 attached to

you guys. 734 00:31:02,330 --> 00:31:04,250 And I was like, okay. 735 00:31:04,330 --> 00:31:06,490 So I stuck him on a plane, send him back. 736 00:31:06,490 --> 00:31:09,930 Two months later, I called and said, you can come back to Canada if you wish because we got 737 00:31:09,930 --> 00:31:10,890 it all straightened out. 738 00:31:10,890 --> 00:31:12,009 But that's two months. 739 00:31:12,089 --> 00:31:16,964 And that sucks because if someone is doing something where the momentum of their life is 740 00:31:16,964 --> 00:31:22,404 progressing into a certain situation, but for whatever I mean, lawyers are expensive. 741 00:31:22,404 --> 00:31:23,204 We know this. 742 00:31:23,365 --> 00:31:26,565 And so it's hard to to start your process. 743 00:31:26,565 --> 00:31:28,805 I don't think it's I don't know how much it is, if I'm being honest. 744 00:31:28,805 --> 00:31:32,580 Like, I've had people that have come over from The States, from England, from all different 745 00:31:32,580 --> 00:31:37,619 walks of life, but ones that are kind of closer to home in the sense of, like, know, because 746 00:31:37,619 --> 00:31:39,779 States is just to the south of us. 747 00:31:40,500 --> 00:31:44,274 And England, I mean, you know, we were part of a British colony at one point. 748 00:31:44,274 --> 00:31:44,674 You know what I mean? 749 00:31:44,674 --> 00:31:47,394 So it's kinda one of those things where I'm always like, why? 750 00:31:47,394 --> 00:31:50,994 Like, why do we need why do they need to jump through hoops and be called immigrants? 751 00:31:50,994 --> 00:31:52,514 But it's like, well, they are from other countries. 752 00:31:52,514 --> 00:31:54,034 And I'm like, but are they? 753 00:31:54,034 --> 00:31:56,674 Like, we have a land border. 754 00:31:56,674 --> 00:31:57,075 Yeah. 755 00:31:57,474 --> 00:31:58,034 The yes. 756 00:31:58,410 --> 00:31:59,210 The answer is yes. 757 00:31:59,210 --> 00:31:59,369 They 758 00:31:59,369 --> 00:32:03,369 are one of it's one of those things where I just kinda giggle about it because it's like 759 00:32:04,250 --> 00:32:06,009 like, that's okay. 760 00:32:06,009 --> 00:32:13,450 Maybe it sounds incredibly prejudicial, but for me, I'm like, if you're from The UK or you're 761 00:32:13,450 --> 00:32:19,984 from, like, The Commonwealth or, like, The States, like, why do they have the same 762 00:32:19,984 --> 00:32:20,944 rigmarole? 763 00:32:22,545 --> 00:32:23,664 Kind of my question. 764 00:32:23,585 --> 00:32:24,545 The run-in there is a point 765 00:32:24,785 --> 00:32:26,784 unfair, I just don't understand. 766 00:32:26,785 --> 00:32:28,065 I'm like, to me, it's like 767 00:32:29,549 --> 00:32:30,190 Well, there's a 768 00:32:30,190 --> 00:32:30,830 point system. 769 00:32:30,830 --> 00:32:35,470 Think of is when the adult comes in the room and says, well, it's like that for everybody or 770 00:32:35,470 --> 00:32:36,350 nobody gets it. 771 00:32:36,350 --> 00:32:37,309 Do know what I mean? 772 00:32:37,789 --> 00:32:38,910 That's why the point system. 773 00:32:38,910 --> 00:32:40,990 Like I was saying to say, it's it's the point system. 774 00:32:41,150 --> 00:32:43,304 So can you can you support yourself? 775 00:32:43,304 --> 00:32:44,424 Do you have enough finances? 776 00:32:44,424 --> 00:32:45,384 Do you have any degrees? 777 00:32:45,384 --> 00:32:46,424 Do you have any backgrounds? 778 00:32:46,585 --> 00:32:50,825 We used to have a really great system for immigration, and it was fantastic. 779 00:32:50,984 --> 00:32:52,505 It worked really, really well. 780 00:32:52,505 --> 00:32:54,505 The numbers were on par. 781 00:32:54,505 --> 00:32:55,544 There were people coming in. 782 00:32:55,544 --> 00:32:58,759 They were part of Canada, right? 783 00:32:58,759 --> 00:33:00,279 Even living their own way. 784 00:33:00,279 --> 00:33:02,440 Like even living in their own communities, creating their own communities. 785 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:03,159 That's awesome. 786 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:09,319 But when you just I believe that the numbers are too large for that point system to the 787 00:33:09,319 --> 00:33:12,725 point that even one of the Indian guys was talking about it. 788 00:33:12,725 --> 00:33:13,924 I'm not picking on India. 789 00:33:13,924 --> 00:33:17,445 This just happens to be a guy I was watching the other day, where he's one of the 790 00:33:17,445 --> 00:33:22,644 international representations I know that's I'm brain farting the word. 791 00:33:23,125 --> 00:33:24,485 He's a representative from India. 792 00:33:25,940 --> 00:33:28,500 Talking about this and he said the point system was really good. 793 00:33:28,580 --> 00:33:32,339 Whereas right now, it doesn't make any sense. 794 00:33:32,900 --> 00:33:39,394 He was talking about the educational people to come over and get an education and then wanting 795 00:33:39,394 --> 00:33:39,795 to work. 796 00:33:39,795 --> 00:33:43,075 You're like, you could do that, but you have to leave and come back. 797 00:33:43,634 --> 00:33:43,875 Right? 798 00:33:43,875 --> 00:33:47,715 Because you're applying for two different things applying I to don't know if you could 799 00:33:47,715 --> 00:33:49,315 apply to work and education would want. 800 00:33:50,500 --> 00:33:51,859 I I understand. 801 00:33:51,859 --> 00:33:54,900 I'm just saying, in my brain, I'm just kinda like, I don't know. 802 00:33:54,900 --> 00:33:58,819 I'm just one of those people that's like, give me a reason not to trust you, and then I won't. 803 00:33:59,059 --> 00:34:02,259 But, Dave, if you're gonna do digital IDs for something Yeah. 804 00:34:02,339 --> 00:34:05,059 This sounds like a perfect spot to do digital IDs. 805 00:34:05,299 --> 00:34:05,539 Yeah. 806 00:34:05,714 --> 00:34:09,875 So you miss your deportation meeting, all those IDs get shut down. 807 00:34:09,875 --> 00:34:12,114 Your bank that's connected to it, shut down. 808 00:34:12,114 --> 00:34:13,474 Have no access to anything. 809 00:34:13,795 --> 00:34:14,434 Agree. 810 00:34:15,394 --> 00:34:15,875 That 811 00:34:16,275 --> 00:34:18,434 seems like a good place to put a digital ID. 812 00:34:18,434 --> 00:34:18,914 100%. 813 00:34:19,190 --> 00:34:22,550 So if you're a politician listening to this, that's where you put it. 814 00:34:22,550 --> 00:34:25,910 Not on the people who live here, not on the people who just wanna work here or paying their 815 00:34:25,910 --> 00:34:27,750 taxes or building up the country. 816 00:34:27,750 --> 00:34:29,030 We need construction workers. 817 00:34:29,030 --> 00:34:32,070 We wanna hit the trades the most, the people who wanna build all these houses to fill all 818 00:34:32,070 --> 00:34:35,535 these things, data centers, all the things you need, infrastructure. 819 00:34:36,094 --> 00:34:37,535 We don't need data centers. 820 00:34:37,775 --> 00:34:39,534 Well, unfortunately, we do need data centers. 821 00:34:39,534 --> 00:34:40,335 We don't. 822 00:34:40,574 --> 00:34:42,015 We we do, actually. 823 00:34:43,375 --> 00:34:46,655 That's that's that could be a conversation for another day because I have an idea for that. 824 00:34:47,409 --> 00:34:47,969 Okay. 825 00:34:47,969 --> 00:34:51,889 Well, we'll wrap up today because we're already at thirty four minutes, and we'll go into the 826 00:34:51,889 --> 00:34:52,530 next one. 827 00:34:53,090 --> 00:34:53,730 Then. 828 00:34:53,969 --> 00:34:54,369 K. 829 00:34:54,369 --> 00:34:55,329 You're fantastic. 830 00:34:55,329 --> 00:34:57,969 Thanks everybody for listening to our tangent back and forth. 831 00:34:58,769 --> 00:35:02,369 Michael tries to keep me off my ADHD path, so he's doing well at it. 832 00:35:02,369 --> 00:35:07,545 Anyhoo, have a wonderful rest of your week, and we'll catch you on the flip side, and don't do 833 00:35:07,545 --> 00:35:08,105 anything crazy.