Supernatural: John Emmet Tracy (Mercury from Hammer of the Gods) | Interview

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Welcome to Denim Wrapped Nightmares, a supernatural rewatch podcast, where we explore the TV series episode by episode.
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Over drinks, we'll discuss the lore, the gore, and what we adore about the Winchesters and their adventures.
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Hello, LA.
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Hey Burley.
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We interviewed Austin Basis from the season three episode Ghost Facers, which was in your top three episodes from the first five seasons of Supernatural.
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So it was only fair that we interviewed someone from one of my top three favorite episodes from the first five seasons of Supernatural.
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And I feel like we got a good one.
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Uh for sure.
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If you remember, listeners, from our adore list, we had a certain fastest fast can be demigod.
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No, I guess he's he's a real god, full god, full-size god, Mercury on both of our adore lists.
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He was played by the fabulous, the handsome, the proudly creepy John Emmett Tracy.
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Not creepy in real life, but he's proud of how he can portray creepy.
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Did you say talented?
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I assume so.
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Oh, okay.
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Hot, beard, scruff, talent, talented.
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Pretty sure I said talented.
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Okay.
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And it was fun.
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Yeah.
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Oh my gosh.
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He was a joy.
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Like so lovely.
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His energy, I feel like he was just so calm and chill.
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After we ended our call, LA immediately was like, I had more questions.
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And I was like, why didn't you ask them?
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Well, because they weren't really supernatural related, but I mean, I I always have like anybody in the industry, I'm always gonna have like a ton of questions because I love it.
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But he was wonderful.
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Well, before we get into it, why don't you tell our listeners a little bit more about Mr.
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John Emmett Tracy?
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I can do that.
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Mr.
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John Emmett Tracy is an American theater, film, and television actor.
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He was born in Chicago and raised in both Chicago and Milwaukee.
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As a child, he was drawn to acting by an early love of storytelling.
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He formed his first theatrical partnership at the age of seven with his sister, and the duo became famous throughout their basement for vaudevillion.
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Vaudevillion?
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Is that how you say it?
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Mm-hmm.
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Vaudevillion cabaret shows.
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I would love to see that.
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I want to see it.
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I know.
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I love it.
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That would be awesome.
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Anyway, he has since worked extensively in theater, film, and television.
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He's best known for his current role as Ellis Steele on Paramount Network's critically acclaimed worldwide hit show Yellowstone.
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Which is where when we were watching the episode, I was like, I know that face.
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Yeah.
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And then I was like, yeah, yep.
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As soon as you said Yellowstone, I was like, yep.
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In addition to Ellis Steele, he has performed lead, recurring, and supporting roles in many television shows, including Batwoman, Olympus, Man in the High Castle, and Supernatural, to name a few, and is widely recognized as Enzo Lambert in the two seasons of the CW series I Zombie.
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In the realm of film, John has appeared in Fifty Shades Freed, If I Stay, American Mary, Stagecoach, The Texas Jack Story, and Steven Spielberg's The BFG.
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He portrayed the duplicitist Edgar John Brandon, father of Mary Alice Brandon and the Mary Alice Brandon file, the winning film entry in the storyteller's New Voices of Twilight Saga.
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John has appeared in over 100 theatrical productions and performed on stages throughout the world, including Shakespeare's Globe Theatre in London, where he was selected as a company member of the Globe's International Actors Fellowship, and in Japan, where he toured as the title role in Shakespeare's Hamlet.
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He also portrayed Thomas Jefferson in both Assassin's Creed III and Assassin's Creed III: The Tyranny of King Washington, the third installment and DLC, respectively, of the multiple award-winning and critically acclaimed video game series.
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That's cool.
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John received his education and training at Rose Bruford College, Kent, UK, where he earned a bachelor's degree in theater, as well as the Royal Academy of Dramatic Arts in London and the National Shakespeare Conservatory in New York.
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He holds dual American and Canadian citizenship and splits his time between Los Angeles and Vancouver.
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Which makes sense.
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He loves his acting.
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That's what he wants to do.
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That's his passion.
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I love that.
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Well, speaking of loving that, I loved our interview with John and Matt Tracy.
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Me too.
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As I said, I wish I wish I'd spoken up.
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Well, we could have been talking for two hours, honestly.
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So without further ado, here is John Emmett Tracy.
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Joy.
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All right.
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Well, uh, thanks for having me here.
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I'm I'm I'm excited about this.
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Yay! Thank you for coming on.
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We actually just wrapped up the first five seasons of Supernatural.
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Congratulations.
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Oh, yeah.
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We made it.
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We have so much more to go.
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So much.
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15 seasons.
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So we're we're not even halfway through yet, but we did do a big kind of celebratory episode, and we each picked three of our favorite episodes from the entire first five seasons.
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And Hammer of the Gods was one of mine.
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Oh, great.
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We both love it's so good.
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In our show, our gimmick is that we talk about the lore, the gore, and what we adore from each episode.
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And Mercury made our adore list.
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Yes.
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Oh, that's wonderful.
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I love it.
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Thank you.
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I usually make the creepiest of the year lists and things like that.
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So I'll take I'll take adore any day.
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Thank you.
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Yes.
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But that was part of why we adored you.
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We were like, they call you Norman Bates in the episode at one point.
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Right.
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And it was dead on.
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Like he's so charming and so handsome, but so creepy.
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It's funny you mentioned the the Norman Bates thing because I'm pretty sure I I I I could be wrong about this, but I'm pretty sure that that was a Jensen improvisation.
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I think he just threw that in.
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It wasn't in the original scripts.
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I know that.
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And a lot of times on television, you'll have a writer on set.
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So maybe one of them, you know, once they saw what I was wearing and you know what hair and makeup did with me, maybe they told him.
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But I I don't think so.
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I think I remember my memory tells me that he improvised that just on a take and they loved it and kept it.
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Oh, how fun.
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I love stuff like that.
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Yeah.
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So as long as we're digging into the episode and going for stories, the first thing that I wanted to ask you about was the hotel.
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We're not from the industry, but one of the things I always try to do when I'm watching is okay, are they on location somewhere or was this built?
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Right.
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But the hotel, it just seems so big and intricate.
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Do you remember?
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Were you guys on location or were you in studio?
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A little bit of both for the hotel.
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So the the majority of that beautiful hotel that you saw, uh, the Allegian Fields, that was done in a soundstage.
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Uh, the same soundstage where you would see so many other of their sets.
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The hallway, the rooms, that front desk area, uh, the restaurant, all of that was done in a soundstage.
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Wow.
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But the the ballroom, that kind of, do you remember there was sort of they called it a grand ballroom and the kitchen were done on location at an actual, you know, kind of lounge.
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Uh it felt like a nightclub, maybe, but we did it, you know, we were there during the day.
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I remember the day that we first got to that location, everyone was told to sit tight.
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We were holding because uh McGee was flying up from LA to make an announcement.
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And I I think nobody knew what that meant, but he showed up to tell everyone that they'd been picked up for season six and there was a big you know celebration.
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And and then he got back in the car and back on the plane and flew and flew back down.
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So uh, but you know, and and little did they know how many seasons they would end up going.
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That's funny, that's so cool.
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I see, yeah, I I I see I brought the wrong uh the wrong drink to the party here.
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You've got uh yes, yes.
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We we tend to do happy hour with our recordings.
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I love it.
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So and and I should I should also say that that set they they did the pristine version first and then they destroyed it.
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Oh wow, so it wasn't a new set, it was the same set, uh just broken down.
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Uh overnight they did it.
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You know, we finished filming everything in the lobby, then they they just tore it apart.
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Oh and then the next morning we came in and it was really amazingly, you know, changed.
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That's it's a lot of work.
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So detailed.
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I honestly thought you were going to say it was on location.
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That was that was my guess.
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Just there's a scene where you're walking and Jared Padalecki's character is following you, and you're looking over your shoulder, and there's vending machines and doors, and just I was thoroughly convinced it was all on location.
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It just seems so detailed.
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I don't know if you either of you have met Jared.
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I think he's a fellow Texan.
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Uh, I think they both both the boys are from down there, but uh the scene you're talking about in the hallway was a lot of fun.
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In fact, he and I both came into work that day just for that little bit, just to walk down the hall.
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Neither of us were filming anything else that day.
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He in general has a lot of fun on set, you know.
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I mean, I think he kind of keeps the energy up and keeps the momentum and and keeps everyone laughing.
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The two moments where he was doing that a lot, one was that scene.
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Honestly, guys, when you come around the corner, I'm just hiding behind that uh you know, Coke machine or whatever.
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That's sort of how we did it.
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It was not it wasn't as it wasn't as sophisticated as it looked.
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And he would sort of they would be filming him and he would trip or he, you know, he would tumble or he would bump into a thing.
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He'd he kept saying, I'm so sorry, I can't, but of course, he was just having fun.
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And then the other one was when my character nicks the cheek and and gets some blood from Jensen.
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Obviously, what we what we really did was we did nothing.
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I didn't move a muscle, and then you were supposed to assume that, but every time they'd roll, uh Jared would say, in the middle of a take, he'd say, What did you just poke him?
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What did you didn't see?
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He he just kept doing that.
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And he and and the the Rick Bota was the director who had a great sense of humor too.
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But he was like, Can we can we get one?
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He was like, Sorry, I won't do it again.
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We'd reset, re-roll, and then you know, we'd get to that spot and he'd say, God, is nobody else seeing that?
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Like, he's he's like poking him with a thing.
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Yeah, that was uh it was a really fun set.
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We did that during the Olympics, which also take place.
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Oh wow, they were taking place at the time in Vancouver where the show was filmed.
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Wow.
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What they did was they set up a huge screen television just behind the set, just behind the set you're talking about.
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And whoever wasn't working, actors or crew, anybody was gathered around this thing.
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And then when something would happen, everybody would silent cheer.
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It was a really surreal moment.
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Everybody, because you know, they're rolling, so people were going.
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You know, I know your your your listeners can't see me, but picture cheering with no sound, so high-fiving with no actual connecting, and that's awesome.
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That's crazy.
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I would have messed up so many takes if I were in that situation.
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I don't know how you silent cheer.
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Like, that's awesome, though.
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Do you have a favorite memory from recording Hammer of the Gods?
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I mean, there were a lot of them.
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Richard, Richard Spate Jr.
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is a lot of fun.
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When we were at the location for that grand ballroom, there was a lot of waiting while they re-sort of created, they had sort of redid the entire interiors.
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He and uh Keith, who who played Ganesh, I believe, they were having this fierce kind of trivia competition where they were were quizzing everybody.
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It was sort of like an exhaustion round where they'd say, name your, you know, name bands from Atlanta, and we'd all have to be thinking of them.
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And then, you know, slowly people would tap out until the last person, and the two of them were so competitive about it.
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So it, you know, you're trying to kill time when you're there.
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But also, I have some bad, like I remember the clothes I was wearing.
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I loved your little bow tie and suit.
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I loved it.
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Oh, good.
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I'm glad.
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Was it miserable though?
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No, no.
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I mean, they showed it to me, and everybody, including me, loved it, loved the idea.
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But then they, you know, the the wonderful wardrobe department there, which by the way, when you walk in the wardrobe department, you can imagine.
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I know you're denim-wrapped uh nightmares, but it you could be flannel plaid wrapped nightmares because it was just a sea of plaid flannel shirts, as far as you could see.
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And they went up six levels up and they just kept going.
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Anyway, the the wonderful wardrobe department, before they put it on me, they apologized and they said, We've tried cleaning this.
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It was a vintage dinner coat or something that sort of burgundy.
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And they said, We've tried washing this so many times.
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Something's still something maybe died in here.
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We're not really sure.
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And it's kind of a common thing as an actor.
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You can you can sort of, you know, sense the ghosts of of long-dead actors who've been wearing this across the you know the decades.
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That became kind of a running uh joke there too, where they would they would leave this thing outside at night.
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I I think I filmed 10 days on that show.
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They would leave it outside and they would sort of febreeze it.
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And I loved the wardrobe.
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In fact, I requested the um Chuck Taylors.
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They put me in, they originally had me in dress shoes, and I was thinking, well, Mercury's fast.
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He's probably not gonna be in penny loafers or something.
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He's been so I asked for those Chuck Taylors, which I think only made it into one scene.
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And then um, you know, just little little things like um, I don't know, just I think watching the the the the the guys watching their dynamic together and watching their relationship uh to the crew.
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I'd been on a lot of sets at that point in my life, and I I don't know that I had been on any that were quite so happy.
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You know, they they really lead a uh led a company of of dedicated people.
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And there was one moment that there's a teaser at the beginning where uh Mercury shows up and there's a security guard wandering around and something was going on with there was a union thing where we had to shut down by a certain time.
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And we had done a lot of other work that day on different scenes, and by the time we got to that opening teaser, Brian Brian Calvert was the actor playing uh the security guard.
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And it was a very intricate setup because if you recall, there was a a lot of special effects, a lot of visual effects.
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There was a flower that comes back to life, there was a cracked mirror that comes back, and then there was this explosion of blood on the mirror.
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I was actually going to have a uh impromptu question about the blood.
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Oh, good.
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Well, maybe maybe it'll be answered here.
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That's loaded into a cannon.
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They have this little sort of air cannon thing, and it's full of little bits of sponge and brain, and I don't know what was in there.
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But I remember they came to Brian and I and they said, Okay, um, we've got a problem.
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The union, something's I can't remember what it was, but they had to shut down.
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They said, We've got time to do this exactly once and once only.
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They put, I think, three or four cameras on us, and we only did the scene the one time because they had to sort of pull the plug at that moment.
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And they said, No pressure, but it's the very first few seconds of the of the episode.
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Oh wow.
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I remember that actor looking at me and he just said he had terror in his eyes.
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And so we had to do kind of this thing.
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I grabbed him and we sort of went into this dip below camera together, which felt a little bit like I don't know, we were joking, it was like men's, you know, pairs skating or something.
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We had to sort of like you know, slide over, and then they shot this blood cannon thing.
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It was over, and nobody was really sure if we got what we needed, but we were done for the day.
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So luckily it turned out quite well.
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And um, I later became friends with Ivan Hayden, who was the visual effects supervisor.
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We worked together on a thing.
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Maybe you guys have seen it.
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Um it was a little, it was a web series done.
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He co-produced it with Misha Collins.
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Ivan did, and it was called Divine the Series, and they hired me for that.
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So I worked with Misha there too.
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But Ivan told me that Hammer of the Gods was, without a doubt, the most complicated visual effects episode they did.
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You know, the flower coming back to life and the crack mirror and the elephant and all the different, you know, things they put together for that.
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Uh it was done so well, though.
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Like this, we are watching the show for the first time.
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It has this timeless feel to it because the special effects they don't seem to have aged.
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You go back and watch, you know, I love it, I'm not talking badly about it, but Big Trouble in Little China, for example.
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You know, the special effects in that clearly that was an 80s film, you know.
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But just so much of what we've seen in the series thus far has aged so well.
00:17:04.720 --> 00:17:09.039
And I was definitely going to ask you, how did they get the blood to like explode?
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How it how it does?
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Yeah, it's sort of had it was sort of a leaf blower feel of a thing.
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I I know that wasn't a leaf blower, but it was something in that world, and it just it was set up very about 10 crew members holding it, and they said, get out of the way.
00:17:24.799 --> 00:17:39.920
Because and then, of course, the camera, the camera crew had to turn, and you think about you know, the people who have to pull focus and and make sure that they leave our faces and go straight to that mirror and then stay in focus.
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It was the the actors had it quite easy in that compared to everybody else.
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The technical side of that was really difficult.
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It's still impressive.
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Y'all did that in one take because I remember that's when the hotel is all dilapidated.
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It seemed like there was just stuff everywhere.
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So having to navigate around that, and you guys did that in one that's impressive.
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That's impressive.
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It was a little out of body.
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I remember every a lot of people walking back to the parking lot afterwards saying, Did we did we do it?
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Did we I was like, Did I say the lines?
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I can't remember.
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You know, it was just so fast.
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Oh wow.
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Yeah.
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That's really cool though.
00:18:13.839 --> 00:18:19.119
All right, let me let me go back to what was the series uh that you did with with him and Misha?
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What was that about?
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Yeah, it was called Divine the Series.
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You it I think it's still available.
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I think you can still see it.
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And and Ivan created it himself and directed and wrote it.
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And Misha Collins came on and and co-produced it.
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It it spans a thousand years, you know.
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It's about these three characters that have known each other since kind of the crusades and and they travel into present day, and it was such an interesting project.
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It was early days of web series, you know, it was like one of the early ones.
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I remember I got to work with a red tail hawk in it, which was really exciting.
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I got to train with him, and I had this sort of hawk on my arm for the whole thing, which was cool.
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And you know, there is talk sometimes of them of them reviving that.
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It was a great cast, and like I said, Misha was in it.
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Misha actually acted in it, so you should look it up.
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Divine the series.
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Um yeah, it sounds really interesting.
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I was about to ask if it's still available for us to look up.
00:19:09.119 --> 00:19:17.039
And sincerely, I think there are a bunch of web series, especially the early web series, like you're talking about, that could make it as a TikTok series now.
00:19:17.200 --> 00:19:17.519
Yeah.
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Because web series, whenever that was new, I know there were so many people who just weren't comfortable with going and watching something on their computer yet.
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Right.
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But now you can cast to your television, you it's on social media, so that would be exciting.
00:19:32.960 --> 00:19:37.519
If you're if your listeners would like to see Misha Collins as a priest, this is your chance.
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Oh, yes, Father, please.
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We do we are a fan of the priest outfits that pop up in the Supernatural series, and and we've been told by all of our listeners they are fans as well.
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You know, a lot of maybe people don't realize I was back on Supernatural in an episode.
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We're not there yet, so don't spoil it.
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We haven't seen you.
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Never mind.
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But that's exciting that you come back.
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I'm happy to hear you come back.
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Yes, we were very much a fan of your performance.
00:20:05.599 --> 00:20:09.039
Well, thank you, but you won't you you won't see my face, so I'll just leave it at that.
00:20:09.279 --> 00:20:09.519
Okay.
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John, what do we see?
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Voice.
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Yeah, right.
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It's not my face, you see.
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No, um, I'll tell you what it is.
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It was just a simple, fun thing.
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They remembered me, wardrobe remembered that I'm the exact same size as Misha.
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And so there was a moment where he had to be, well, I don't want to spoil too much, but there had to be two Mishas.
00:20:32.720 --> 00:20:32.799
Okay.
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So I was one of them.
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Oh wow.
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So I got to wear the iconic trench coat and tie and everything and spend a few days with him.
00:20:40.079 --> 00:20:41.359
You know, we had a lot of choreography.
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There were a couple of cameras happening at the same time, and we had to perfectly mirror each other's moves.
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And there was, you know, visual effects done as well.
00:20:48.400 --> 00:20:54.079
And it was fun because a lot of the people that had been there many years earlier, I think this was season 13.
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I came back, but a lot of people remembered me, including the two leads.
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They kind of looked at me and said, Is Mercury back in this one?
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I don't remember that.
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I said, No, I'm just here to body match uh Misha Collins.
00:21:06.880 --> 00:21:07.359
Oh wow.
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That's really cool.
00:21:08.400 --> 00:21:10.720
Well, we're gonna definitely going to look up Divine.
00:21:10.880 --> 00:21:11.440
Yes.
00:21:11.759 --> 00:21:30.880
Speaking of Mercury coming back, uh, one of the other things that we talked about in our season five celebratory live stream episode was how we understand that the series centers around the Winchester brothers, but LA and I have both become very attached to some of these side characters that have popped up.
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Mercury included.
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Thank you.
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And that we would love if they could do not a spin-off series necessarily, but just an episode.
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Just give us a little bit more.
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I don't know if you watch American Horror Story.
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Uh yes, yes, it's fantastic.
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The spin-off American horror stories.
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Are you familiar with that?
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No, I don't know what is the spin off.
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So the spin-off goes back and we'll do a standalone episode that will focus on a specific location that was in an American horror story season.
00:21:59.519 --> 00:22:05.839
Or A specific character that didn't get a whole lot of screen time, it'll show us more about them or give us a backstory or something.
00:22:06.079 --> 00:22:06.960
Oh, that's great.
00:22:07.119 --> 00:22:08.079
Oh, I love that.
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Yeah.
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We love it.
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And we've both been hearing about supernatural revival, supernaturalness, and we've both decided we want supernatural to do that.
00:22:18.799 --> 00:22:22.000
So if they did, and there was a Mercury episode.
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Oh, I see.
00:22:23.519 --> 00:22:25.359
What would you want that to be?
00:22:25.680 --> 00:22:26.960
Yeah, great question.
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I well, it's funny because there was some talk uh at one point.
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I got a really nice email from Richard Spate Jr.
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at some point, and he had taken some pictures of us all on set um and sent them.
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I should actually try to find them.
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I'll I'll send them to you if I find them.
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But he said that he had just had lunch with a bunch of the showrunners and and producers, and they had been talking about Mercury.
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At some point, somebody reached out to my agent or my manager uh because Mercury was a trickster in mythology.
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You know, I think the reason they used him to begin with is he was the patron god of travelers and he was the person who escorted people to the underworld, or the god rather.
00:23:07.440 --> 00:23:16.960
And so that made sense to have him, but they lost, so they thought at the time, they lost Loki, uh Richard, you know, Richard's character uh in the episode.
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I think we can do spoilers, right?
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Because it's 15 years ago.
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Um, but uh I'll let you know if you're start venturing into something that we don't know about yet.
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I'm like, you saw this episode though, and so you saw him sort of electrified or well, and I don't know if you can see him, but he's actually the calendar on my wall back there as Richard Spade.
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I have to get one of those.
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He's he's a really, a really great guy.
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There was some talk briefly about um having Mercury in as as a trickster or the next trickster.
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It it didn't it didn't come to pass.
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Uh your listeners will know that, but something about that might be interesting uh if they did a Mercury episode.
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Although I remember the Baldur character says, and I don't know if it made it into the episode, but it was definitely in the script that uh Mercury's the one who assembled everybody.
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He assembled all the the gods and brought them there together and arranged everything.
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I've I've always thought that couldn't have been easy for the first time to bring them all together.
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So maybe, maybe that, maybe a side episode about what it took for him to pull all those gods together and get them in one room.
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That'd be cool.
00:24:20.799 --> 00:24:22.480
That would honestly be really cool.
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It's making me smile really big right now because I just finished reading American Gods.
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Uh-huh.
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And that's something that Odin does in that story is trying to get all the gods together.
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Right.
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I would love to see Mercury's journey of doing that because it would be very different.
00:24:37.839 --> 00:24:38.559
It would be, yeah.
00:24:38.640 --> 00:24:43.519
It would be interesting, especially the way I guess all of us together created that version of the character.
00:24:43.599 --> 00:24:47.119
You know, he um he definitely have his own way of going about it.
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That wouldn't be what it would be very different than Odin's, I think.
00:24:50.400 --> 00:24:58.319
And I would love to see also um, you know, Mercury, whenever he was pulling everybody together, he obviously was trying to go a different route than where it ended up going.
00:24:58.400 --> 00:25:00.480
I don't think he wanted a war.
00:25:00.799 --> 00:25:05.039
Yeah, and he didn't want, you know, another spoiler here, he didn't want Lucifer to kill him either.
00:25:05.200 --> 00:25:06.799
So LA was so upset.
00:25:06.880 --> 00:25:12.079
It cracked me up because when we were watching the episode, LA was like, this Mercury, he's creepy, he's this.
00:25:12.240 --> 00:25:16.960
And then whenever Lucifer killed you, she was said, No, I like Mercury.
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Thank you, LA.
00:25:19.599 --> 00:25:20.079
Thank you very much.
00:25:20.559 --> 00:25:22.319
You won her over during the episode.
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They kill all the people we like.
00:25:24.079 --> 00:25:25.359
Yeah, they do, they do.
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But you know what's funny?
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I remember I remember a uh a crew member saying to me, they were taking my microphone off after my last day, and he said something like, Yeah, don't worry.
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Dying on this show is like a promotion.
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He said, You can come back easily.
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He's he said, We brought back so many dead people.
00:25:42.960 --> 00:25:46.079
Yes, Mercury's a guide too, so true.
00:25:46.319 --> 00:25:50.000
Yeah, surely he can be and you know, the I I yeah, I'm just thinking of something else.
00:25:50.079 --> 00:25:52.480
We're talking about, we were talking about the blood earlier.
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Originally, in in the script, it wasn't blood, it was supposed to be a strand of each of their hair.
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I don't know how that changed or why.
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I don't know what that was.
00:26:01.519 --> 00:26:09.039
So when they did, I sort of improvise that tissue moment that came because it wasn't in the script, it was something on the set where they said, you know what, we're not doing hair.
00:26:09.119 --> 00:26:14.240
I don't remember who said it, but suddenly I was I was the idea was I was supposed to pluck hair off each of them.
00:26:14.319 --> 00:26:20.720
But um, on the day of shooting, they said to us, nope, you're gonna poke him and and get some blood out of him, something like that.
00:26:21.200 --> 00:26:29.279
I wonder if it has something to do with Cali, because I don't remember exactly what the we researched the lore on each of you, each of the uh gods.
00:26:29.599 --> 00:26:32.640
And Callie had there was something about blood with Callie.
00:26:32.720 --> 00:26:36.000
I don't remember what it was, but maybe that's why.
00:26:36.640 --> 00:26:52.000
Well, yeah, and if you remember, um, if you remember at one point Callie makes Mercury choke and spit up blood, and that's another thing they just changed on the moment because that was supposed to be after she gets in a fight with Ganesh.
00:26:52.079 --> 00:26:53.279
She was supposed to do that to him.
00:26:53.440 --> 00:26:55.119
Oh, I don't remember why.
00:26:55.359 --> 00:26:59.359
I still was supposed to say, Well, why don't we just reason with them or why don't we something like that?
00:26:59.440 --> 00:27:00.559
But that didn't make her angry.
00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:06.960
What made her angry was she and Ganesh fighting about making fun of each other's powers or something like that, and then she was supposed to make him choke.
00:27:07.039 --> 00:27:08.559
So this happens a lot, though, on the shows.
00:27:08.640 --> 00:27:09.920
You know, they just it evolves.
00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:19.920
And when an episode becomes very popular, and I know one of the producers wrote to me to say shortly after we aired that it was the most popular episode of that season, which was quite nice.
00:27:20.079 --> 00:27:25.039
They become so popular it's hard to imagine any changes, you know, like the violet blood thing versus hair.
00:27:25.119 --> 00:27:30.640
I know it's a small detail, but for fans of the show, it's a different experience if if those little things had stayed the way they were.
00:27:31.440 --> 00:27:32.319
Definitely.
00:27:32.559 --> 00:27:35.519
I saw that you also portrayed the god Palace.
00:27:35.680 --> 00:27:40.319
I'm assuming it's pronounced like Dallas, but with a P, in the TV series Olympus.
00:27:40.960 --> 00:27:45.599
Now I haven't seen this, and I I saw Pallas as kind of with Athena, I think.
00:27:45.920 --> 00:27:50.000
But are there any other gods that you would like to portray?
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And why?
00:27:51.599 --> 00:27:55.200
That show only made it one season on the sci-fi network.
00:27:55.279 --> 00:28:00.720
So we never got to the place where these people became fully embodied gods.
00:28:00.880 --> 00:28:05.200
I played him as a human, so it would be interesting to play him as a god.
00:28:05.359 --> 00:28:06.160
That would be one.
00:28:06.319 --> 00:28:11.359
My son was telling me about a god that would be uh interesting to play, but maybe boring to watch.
00:28:11.599 --> 00:28:13.200
Hypnos, the god of sleep.
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I think so.
00:28:15.119 --> 00:28:17.279
That'd be a cool, uh that'd be a cool job.
00:28:17.519 --> 00:28:18.160
Yeah, right.
00:28:18.559 --> 00:28:19.359
I I don't know.
00:28:19.759 --> 00:28:21.599
Maybe not dramatically very exciting, though.
00:28:21.839 --> 00:28:22.960
It could be dramatic.
00:28:23.119 --> 00:28:29.440
Uh the Sandman is a dramatic comic series, dark you're right, you know, graphic novel series based on it.
00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:31.119
It could be about nightmares.
00:28:31.200 --> 00:28:31.920
Okay, let's go with the game.
00:28:32.400 --> 00:28:32.720
There you go.
00:28:32.960 --> 00:28:35.680
Yeah, it could be a good villain, yeah, for sure.
00:28:35.920 --> 00:28:39.200
Yes, it could also be a hero, because sometimes you just need an app.
00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:41.359
You're right.
00:28:41.440 --> 00:28:44.720
That's a it would be such a great superpower, like endless sleep or something.
00:28:44.960 --> 00:28:46.559
Yeah, I like it.
00:28:46.799 --> 00:28:48.720
What was he the god of the palace?
00:28:48.799 --> 00:28:49.839
I've never heard that one.
00:28:50.400 --> 00:28:50.960
Palace?
00:28:51.440 --> 00:28:52.640
I couldn't really figure it out.
00:28:52.720 --> 00:28:56.240
Like it seemed like he was attached to Athena somehow.
00:28:56.319 --> 00:28:58.400
Isn't that the goddess, the goddess?
00:28:59.200 --> 00:29:06.000
Yeah, and boy, I'm sorry that I'm not I'm I'm not up to I I was really well versed on it when we when we made that show.
00:29:06.319 --> 00:29:08.079
I was trying to see if I could watch it somewhere.
00:29:08.160 --> 00:29:09.599
It honestly looks really interesting.
00:29:09.759 --> 00:29:10.559
I thought it looked good.
00:29:10.720 --> 00:29:15.920
Yeah, in in ours, he was the a prince, the brother of the king of one of the two kings in the show.
00:29:16.160 --> 00:29:23.440
But yeah, in mythology, there were two, I remember there were two gods named Pallas, or two, at least two figures in mythology.
00:29:23.599 --> 00:29:29.599
I'm sure some of your listeners know their mythology well, and they're saying, Oh, this dumb actor is butchering this.
00:29:29.759 --> 00:29:32.400
But um, but I I guess I don't know the answer.
00:29:32.720 --> 00:29:32.880
Okay.
00:29:33.200 --> 00:29:34.640
I'm sorry to I'll look it up.
00:29:34.799 --> 00:29:35.440
I was just curious.
00:29:35.759 --> 00:29:40.640
I thought I would just I thought I would just talk until I thought of something, but nope, nothing's nothing's coming.
00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:44.160
So we'll we'll figure it out eventually.
00:29:45.440 --> 00:29:50.720
So is there anything about supernatural that we haven't asked about and we should?
00:29:50.960 --> 00:29:51.920
You know, there are so many.
00:29:52.000 --> 00:30:06.880
I mean, there I have so many memories from that nine-day period, and that that that show really, that experience really stuck out to me simply because of what I said earlier when we started chatting about the atmosphere on a show, and you can almost always feel it the minute you get there.
00:30:06.960 --> 00:30:13.599
And I remember the guys telling me the two the two leads talking to me and saying how you know this is such a cliche to say this.
00:30:13.680 --> 00:30:22.160
I uh and everybody says this about their show, and I I've certainly had this experience at other shows, but this was probably the first one I was on that actually felt like a family.
00:30:22.319 --> 00:30:41.359
And I really don't think it's a a mistake or kind of an accident that it became as popular as it did and that it stayed on for as long as it did, and that it had the staying power because there was nobody on that show that had this kind of like star, you know, this tantrum-y stuff or or you know, demandy kind of stuff.
00:30:41.599 --> 00:30:44.799
Everybody was relaxed, everybody was was having a good time.
00:30:44.880 --> 00:30:50.480
Now it's not to say that there weren't, you know, stressful times and like moments like that first scene that we had to get it through.
00:30:50.640 --> 00:30:54.640
And you know, you see a crew that's close come together and really work hard.
00:30:54.799 --> 00:30:57.920
So yeah, I just feel like it's such a cliche thing to say.
00:30:58.160 --> 00:31:06.559
But the couple of times that I worked on that show, I always left with the same feeling like, wow, these this group of people actually really love each other.
00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:10.400
And it's it starts with the two main guys and the showrunners.
00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:16.000
I think it was true of of them in their relationship, and I think it just trickled down into everyone else.
00:31:16.240 --> 00:31:25.359
I think that's part of why they keep talking about possibly bringing it back because you can tell they still love it, they still go out there and promote it, they're still doing the conventions regularly.
00:31:25.519 --> 00:31:27.920
Yeah, cliche or not, I believe it.
00:31:28.079 --> 00:31:29.759
Yeah, people are crazy about it.
00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:36.559
Well, and it's one of the shows that that I, you know, I don't look like Mercury anymore, but that's one of the shows I still get recognized for.
00:31:36.640 --> 00:31:43.359
And and the fans are yeah, are real and they're they're just as active now as they were when the show was was airing.
00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:47.440
You know, people definitely stopped me uh and say Mercury.
00:31:47.759 --> 00:31:51.039
So yeah, so I'm I'm really proud to have uh been part of that.
00:31:51.279 --> 00:31:52.559
It was an excellent episode.
00:31:52.640 --> 00:31:56.720
Like I said, it made my top three, and it was very memorable performance.
00:31:56.880 --> 00:32:00.640
So I kept saying, I was like, I know his face, it looks very familiar.
00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:02.400
Go ahead and ask him what you're wanted to ask.
00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:03.039
No, no, no.
00:32:03.119 --> 00:32:10.160
I was I was just saying, like, and so I think you I think Burley looked up your IMDB and then she was going down the list, and uh I I had watched Yellowstone.
00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:11.119
I was like, that's it.
00:32:11.279 --> 00:32:11.920
I knew it.
00:32:12.079 --> 00:32:13.440
I knew that I knew I knew that face.
00:32:13.599 --> 00:32:15.119
Yes, I she loves Yellowstone.
00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:15.920
Oh, is that right?
00:32:16.079 --> 00:32:19.279
So so that means you you hate my character in that one too.
00:32:19.680 --> 00:32:21.279
I mean, no, no.
00:32:23.599 --> 00:32:24.720
You're good in it though.
00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:25.920
Well, I'm glad you like it.
00:32:26.000 --> 00:32:29.680
Well, you know, we're hoping to go back soon and finish off season five.
00:32:29.759 --> 00:32:32.480
So um hopefully you'll you'll have some more episodes to look forward to.
00:32:32.720 --> 00:32:35.119
Well, they're they're doing some spin-offs of that one too, right?
00:32:35.359 --> 00:32:38.480
Yes, yeah, some really, really great television.
00:32:38.559 --> 00:32:45.039
I don't know if either of you have had a chance to check it out, but the two prequel series that are out are really, really spectacular.
00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:51.759
And of course, the guy who's dreamed this all up is is creating other shows that aren't Yellowstone related.
00:32:51.839 --> 00:32:56.240
He's got so many great shows on right now, and he's a he's a Texan.
00:32:56.319 --> 00:32:57.839
Yeah, he's a Texan like you two.
00:32:58.400 --> 00:33:02.240
I think he he did uh Heller High Water too, and I love that movie.
00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:05.599
Yes, and Wind River and um Sicario.
00:33:06.079 --> 00:33:07.759
Like he's really he's something else.
00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:09.759
Taylor Sheridan is who we're talking about.
00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:12.960
Show Crater, Showrunner, both.
00:33:13.039 --> 00:33:14.160
What both?
00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:15.519
Oh wow, both.
00:33:15.680 --> 00:33:16.240
Okay, yeah.
00:33:16.480 --> 00:33:17.359
Does he direct too?
00:33:17.680 --> 00:33:19.839
And and he writes and he writes every episode.
00:33:20.000 --> 00:33:20.480
Oh wow.
00:33:20.640 --> 00:33:22.799
Uh he does he does direct sometimes.
00:33:22.880 --> 00:33:24.000
I think he's quite busy now.
00:33:24.079 --> 00:33:32.079
I've been lucky enough to work with him on set uh on one episode, but I think he's he's just got so many things going right now.
00:33:32.160 --> 00:33:36.079
Um, it would be nice if he'd come direct another one, but uh, so let's hope so.
00:33:36.240 --> 00:33:37.599
And he is a great director.
00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:39.200
Wow, he writes every episode.
00:33:39.440 --> 00:33:41.680
So just one of those people, you know, who's so talented.
00:33:41.839 --> 00:33:52.160
You think, oh my goodness, how can he does all these jobs, you know, and uh some shows, it's many, it's many different people writing and uh other people showrunning, and other people created it, and other people directed.
00:33:52.319 --> 00:33:56.079
And and he's by the way, Elliot might know this, but he's on the show too.
00:33:56.319 --> 00:33:57.519
He he appears on camera.
00:33:57.759 --> 00:34:01.279
Yeah, I think in a couple of his things he makes an appearance, I want to say.
00:34:01.519 --> 00:34:02.240
Other stuff, yeah.
00:34:02.480 --> 00:34:03.359
Yeah, he does.
00:34:03.599 --> 00:34:05.039
So I haven't quite figured it out.
00:34:05.119 --> 00:34:07.599
I I I'm convinced that he's triplets or something.
00:34:07.839 --> 00:34:15.519
I was about to say that god of sleep that you were mentioning earlier must just somehow replenish him without needing to sleep, is what it sounds like to me.
00:34:15.760 --> 00:34:17.760
Yes, that's a lot of yes.
00:34:18.239 --> 00:34:23.039
Look, look for the uh look for the upcoming series called Hypnose, listeners.
00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:25.840
I'm still fingers crossed for Mercury.
00:34:25.920 --> 00:34:26.559
Yeah.
00:34:27.519 --> 00:34:28.960
Yes, good, I like that.
00:34:29.199 --> 00:34:32.880
Do you have anything that you would like to promote on our episode?
00:34:33.199 --> 00:34:48.559
Once again, here's cliche actor time, but things I can't talk about, but um, but I can talk about Yellowstone, and that's something that's uh really front of mind for me right now because that's another show that has an incredible fan base and um a lot of people waiting for episodes.
00:34:48.719 --> 00:34:54.079
You know, I talked about people recognizing me as Mercury, they definitely recognize me from Yellowstone too.
00:34:54.159 --> 00:34:59.440
And most of what I get now in airports and places like that is when do we get more episodes?
00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:01.519
That's the main thing everyone wants to know.
00:35:01.679 --> 00:35:07.199
So the plan is to have some episodes ready by uh I think November for airing.
00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:09.440
So did the strike hold you guys up at all?
00:35:09.679 --> 00:35:10.079
Absolutely.
00:35:10.239 --> 00:35:10.800
Yep, okay.
00:35:11.119 --> 00:35:11.679
No question.
00:35:11.840 --> 00:35:21.039
Both strikes, both strikes held us back, and like every show, dealt with the pandemic, and uh just there's been so much happening that has has pushed it.
00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:24.559
And the Yellowstone fans are similar to the to the supernatural fans.
00:35:24.639 --> 00:35:25.840
They're patient and they're waiting.
00:35:25.920 --> 00:35:32.320
And uh if there if there were more supernatural episodes coming and people knew they had to wait, they would definitely wait and stay excited about it.
00:35:32.480 --> 00:35:32.719
Oh, yeah.
00:35:32.800 --> 00:35:34.639
So I think it's kind of kind of the same thing here.
00:35:34.880 --> 00:35:41.440
They don't even know they're coming, they just hope they're coming and they're being patient and waiting in the supernatural family, right?
00:35:41.840 --> 00:35:49.039
Yeah, well, and I don't have any I don't have any news about it, of course, but um I I have heard a few little rumblings too.
00:35:49.199 --> 00:35:49.679
Who knows?
00:35:49.760 --> 00:35:50.800
I think it's worth hoping.
00:35:50.960 --> 00:35:55.599
I I think the energy of people wanting more could could could have some impact on it, you know.
00:35:55.920 --> 00:36:01.599
Yeah, well, and just the fact that there's literally hundreds of stories they could tell that they didn't.
00:36:01.679 --> 00:36:08.079
Yeah, Mercury's just a singular example where we could see yes what happened when he was gathering everybody.
00:36:08.400 --> 00:36:11.039
Uh and and Kali, I would love to see.
00:36:11.119 --> 00:36:14.000
Yeah, she's now a good friend of mine, Ray Kosharma.
00:36:14.079 --> 00:36:19.360
I she did such an amazing job in that episode, and I would love to see more of that character.
00:36:19.519 --> 00:36:20.559
Well, so many of them, though.
00:36:20.639 --> 00:36:22.159
You know, Adam Crozdell was in it.
00:36:22.239 --> 00:36:29.280
Uh, we've had there were so many great uh actors playing those gods, and I could I could sit, I could watch a spin-off of any one of those.
00:36:29.599 --> 00:36:29.840
Right.
00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:32.000
Yep, we agree wholeheartedly.
00:36:32.239 --> 00:36:35.519
Well, that was all the questions I had, and I'm not thinking of any I have another one.
00:36:35.599 --> 00:36:36.800
Oh, go ahead, go ahead.
00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:39.760
Have you have you done any producing or directing?
00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:41.679
Or do you have an interest in it?
00:36:41.920 --> 00:36:44.639
I I have done a little bit of producing and directing.
00:36:44.800 --> 00:36:47.519
Uh I mostly produced and directed in theater.
00:36:47.599 --> 00:36:47.920
Oh, okay.
00:36:48.159 --> 00:36:51.199
Not in film, but I have directed on camera a little bit.
00:36:51.360 --> 00:37:01.199
You know, the thing is though, LA, it's sort of like um, it's something I love doing because I'm I'm adjacent to it so much and I see what they do.
00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:16.960
And but I I really feel like I'm I'm just so interested in acting that as a director, I'm I would have to work really hard to be fair to the other departments because I think of a great director, and I've worked with many, they have a way of knowing a little bit about everything.
00:37:17.199 --> 00:37:33.039
They're good with cameras, they're good with lenses, they're good with shot structure in theory, they're good with wardrobe, they understand fabric, they understand what photographs well, they're good with lighting, they're, you know, they're good with actors, they they're good with story and you know, the the spoken words.
00:37:33.199 --> 00:37:41.840
So, you know, it it's the kind of job that really requires a you know, a sort of a renaissance person who has deep interest in all those areas.
00:37:42.079 --> 00:37:45.119
I love all those areas, but I have a deep interest in in acting.
00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:54.960
So I've I find the times that I've I've directed, I've been I've really focused on that department and sort of let the others go, Yeah, I'd say, yeah, that's that's that's great.
00:37:55.039 --> 00:37:55.440
I love it.
00:37:55.519 --> 00:37:56.719
Back to the acting, you know.
00:37:56.800 --> 00:38:07.760
So so it's not that I wouldn't want to do it again, and I I certainly would, but I I there are many other people out there, including some great actors who love directing that probably deserve those opportunities.
00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:08.719
So yeah.
00:38:08.960 --> 00:38:09.440
That's good though.
00:38:09.519 --> 00:38:10.719
You know where your passion is.
00:38:10.880 --> 00:38:11.280
I love it.
00:38:11.360 --> 00:38:13.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
00:38:13.360 --> 00:38:16.000
And you tell me you guys are not part of the industry at all.
00:38:16.079 --> 00:38:22.079
Have you have you ever worked in I did go to I went to college for like film and media studies, but I have done nothing with it.
00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:24.000
I mean Okay.
00:38:24.239 --> 00:38:25.760
It's never too late, LA.
00:38:26.000 --> 00:38:27.039
I know, I know.
00:38:27.280 --> 00:38:29.679
Someday, hopefully.
00:38:29.920 --> 00:38:32.079
Are you still doing theater as well, John?
00:38:32.639 --> 00:38:33.360
I am, yeah.
00:38:33.519 --> 00:38:39.039
Actually, um, I as I just mentioned, I'm in Vancouver, which is where we shot that.
00:38:39.119 --> 00:38:43.760
Uh, to do a I have there's a play going on right now that I'm working on uh at a theater here.
00:38:43.920 --> 00:38:45.360
That's what I'm working on these days.
00:38:45.440 --> 00:38:51.199
And then when that ends, it sounds like hopefully back down in Montana working on Yellowstone.
00:38:51.440 --> 00:38:52.960
I I do have one more question.
00:38:53.039 --> 00:38:55.760
It's a silly question, but I'm incredibly curious.
00:38:56.000 --> 00:38:57.599
Do people call you Jet?
00:38:58.639 --> 00:38:59.360
They do.
00:38:59.679 --> 00:39:00.880
They do call me that.
00:39:01.039 --> 00:39:03.039
Yes, early, they do.
00:39:03.280 --> 00:39:05.360
Uh yeah, my initials J-E-T.
00:39:05.599 --> 00:39:09.440
Um, my mother doesn't, but but uh other people do for sure.
00:39:09.679 --> 00:39:16.480
We were talking uh earlier about how excited we were to talk to you, and I was just like, I wish my initials spelled something cool.
00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:18.079
Yeah, it's good though.
00:39:18.159 --> 00:39:18.559
I like it.
00:39:18.800 --> 00:39:20.639
Jet, that's good, it's pretty cool.
00:39:20.800 --> 00:39:22.800
And oddly, it took me years to figure that out.
00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:25.360
I was the first person who called me that, and I was like, what are they?
00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:31.280
I mean, I wasn't sort of, you know, a grown-up or anything, but I was, I don't know, a teenager or something before it even occurred to me.
00:39:31.360 --> 00:39:32.000
Isn't that odd?
00:39:33.199 --> 00:39:36.000
You don't you never think about it until somebody like points it out, you know?
00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:46.400
I guess I I really uh maybe I was just a you know slow slow to the uh to the uptake, but I um I didn't it didn't occur to me when I was younger.
00:39:46.880 --> 00:39:48.000
But you can call me that.
00:39:48.239 --> 00:39:48.960
Okay, great.
00:39:49.119 --> 00:39:50.159
Thank you, thank you.
00:39:50.400 --> 00:39:51.440
Well, this was great.
00:39:51.599 --> 00:39:58.400
You had some wonderful stories, and again, definitely a top 10 out of the guest stars performance in my eyes.
00:39:58.719 --> 00:39:59.440
Oh my, thank you.
00:39:59.760 --> 00:40:01.840
I felt like you just you hit everything.
00:40:02.079 --> 00:40:04.880
Well, that's really nice to hear, especially from fans of the show.
00:40:04.960 --> 00:40:05.519
That means a lot.
00:40:05.599 --> 00:40:06.960
So I uh thank you for saying that.
00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:12.000
They have amazing guest stars, they really do, but just Mercury just stuck out to me.
00:40:12.159 --> 00:40:13.760
Yeah, I just really enjoyed it.
00:40:13.920 --> 00:40:15.039
Oh well, that's really nice.
00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:15.519
I'm glad.
00:40:15.679 --> 00:40:16.079
I'm glad.
00:40:16.239 --> 00:40:18.079
And hopefully he creeped you out a little too.
00:40:18.719 --> 00:40:20.559
Just a little, just enough, just enough.
00:40:20.639 --> 00:40:29.199
He was he was creepy in the beginning, but like I said, by the time Lucifer was snapping your neck, we both were like, no, don't do that.
00:40:29.440 --> 00:40:30.239
Well, good, good.
00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:32.719
So, yes, he wins you over, though.
00:40:33.039 --> 00:40:34.559
Yeah, thank you guys very much.
00:40:34.719 --> 00:40:38.960
This is a pleasure, and congrats on this podcast and congrats on getting through season five.
00:40:39.039 --> 00:40:39.599
Oh my goodness.
00:40:39.840 --> 00:40:41.199
Yes, we made it.
00:40:41.679 --> 00:40:44.159
We again, we still have a long way to go.
00:40:44.320 --> 00:40:48.800
Yeah, and we'll get to see everything but your face in a later episode.
00:40:49.039 --> 00:40:49.760
I know excited.
00:40:50.159 --> 00:40:51.760
Everything but my everything but my face.
00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:52.960
We'll know when we see it.
00:40:53.119 --> 00:40:55.840
We will, we'll give you a shout-out when we get there.
00:40:56.559 --> 00:41:00.320
Thanks very much, you guys, and I hope you enjoy all the upcoming episodes.
00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:03.920
Such a lovely man.
00:41:04.639 --> 00:41:05.519
Loved him.
00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:11.599
I had to control my impulses as soon as he brought up Richard Spade Jr.
00:41:11.840 --> 00:41:13.760
to not ask 500 questions.
00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:19.280
Like you had a bunch of questions that you weren't asking because they weren't necessarily related to supernatural.
00:41:19.440 --> 00:41:25.760
I had a bunch of questions that I wasn't asking because I was like, I don't need to just ask him 500 things about Richard Spade Jr.
00:41:26.079 --> 00:41:27.920
Oh, he seemed to really like him though.
00:41:28.079 --> 00:41:29.360
He said he was a great guy.
00:41:29.599 --> 00:41:35.360
I mean, I assume he was serious whenever he said he would like a wall calendar, just like the one that I have.
00:41:35.519 --> 00:41:40.159
So, Theresa, I'm gonna need another wall calendar to thank Mr.
00:41:40.320 --> 00:41:41.679
Tracy for his time.
00:41:41.840 --> 00:41:42.320
Yeah.
00:41:42.639 --> 00:41:43.519
He was lovely.
00:41:43.760 --> 00:41:47.280
I I very much enjoyed hearing him talk about everything.
00:41:47.519 --> 00:41:48.079
I did too.
00:41:48.159 --> 00:41:48.800
And he's hot.
00:41:49.360 --> 00:41:49.760
I liked this.
00:41:51.679 --> 00:41:52.000
I liked it.
00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:52.559
Yeah.
00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:54.639
I loved the Mercury look.
00:41:54.719 --> 00:41:55.280
Don't get me wrong.
00:41:55.440 --> 00:41:55.519
Right.
00:41:55.679 --> 00:41:58.800
But if I'm gonna pick a look, today's look agreed.
00:41:58.960 --> 00:41:59.679
It was very nice.
00:42:00.079 --> 00:42:02.239
And he's like, I don't look much like Mercury anymore.
00:42:02.320 --> 00:42:02.960
I'm like, yes, you do.
00:42:03.119 --> 00:42:03.440
Yes, you do.
00:42:03.519 --> 00:42:03.840
You used to be.
00:42:04.639 --> 00:42:05.360
You have not aged.
00:42:06.079 --> 00:42:07.360
Look exactly the same.
00:42:07.519 --> 00:42:08.079
It's insane.
00:42:08.239 --> 00:42:09.440
It's been almost 20 years.
00:42:09.519 --> 00:42:09.679
Yeah.
00:42:09.920 --> 00:42:11.119
He looks the exact same.
00:42:11.840 --> 00:42:17.280
I d the other thing I had to hold myself back on is when we were talking about the blood cannon, and I almost said, Oh, and it's splurged.
00:42:17.440 --> 00:42:18.079
It's splurged.
00:42:20.079 --> 00:42:25.199
We don't, we don't assume that Jet has listened to Denim Rap Nightmares episodes.
00:42:25.280 --> 00:42:26.880
He might not be prepared for those conversations.
00:42:27.440 --> 00:42:28.480
Inappropriate we are.
00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:31.760
But it was a delight.
00:42:32.159 --> 00:42:34.159
So thank you again, Mr.
00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:34.719
Tracy.
00:42:35.199 --> 00:42:35.679
Thank you.
00:42:35.920 --> 00:42:39.199
We look forward to seeing all your other things in a future episode.
00:42:39.360 --> 00:42:39.760
Right?
00:42:40.800 --> 00:42:43.280
Maybe we'll speak again later down the line.
00:42:44.559 --> 00:42:45.679
I have questions still.
00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:47.119
You know, I'm just saying.
00:42:47.840 --> 00:42:48.880
Let's call him back.
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I just need his calming energy.
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He's just chill.
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He was chill.
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He's just so chill and just he almost was ethereal.
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Yeah, like I need his energy in my life.
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Like it's appropriate that he keeps getting cast as god.
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He's just very ethereal and like has a strong presence, but it's not intimidating or forceful.
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That's perfection.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Like I, you know me.
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Like I'm I'm uncomfortable with these kind of things.
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Yes.
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But he was just so lovely.
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His energy is unlike anything I've really met before.
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And just all over a Zoom call.
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How telling is that over a Zoom call that we could feel that presence and hit just that like we were in a comfort level to be speaking with him, especially me.
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I'm intimidated by everything.
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I want to go see him at a play.
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Me too.
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Yeah, like he was just lovely.
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I can't think of any other word, but that's that probably doesn't even describe him properly, but I think loves lovelies are pretty accurate.
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He was lovely.
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And I need that energy in my life.
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Did you hear that, John?
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Well, quote to close it out is that scene that they had to get done in one freaking take.
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We have the security guard entering the dilapidated hotel.
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He says, Hello! A loud bang startles the security guard.
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And as he turns around, suddenly he gasps, and there's a dark figure.
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And the dark figure of Mercury says, Hiya.
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Buddy, you can't be here.
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Dark figure of Mercury says, Of course I can.
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Someone's gotta get everything ready.
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They're coming.
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All of them.
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And we've got our part to play.
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Even you.
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Security guard says, What?
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Dark figure says, Your dinner.
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The security guard goes, ah! Before a blood splouge on the mirror.
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That was so fun.
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Cheers.
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