Full Transcript for John McKinney, Candidate for Los Angeles City Attorney

Roy. 70 00:04:04.310 --> 00:04:06.500 Right. So let's talk about the criminal branch and the 71 00:04:06.900 --> 00:04:09.819 role of the city attorney as prosecutor. I've been a 72 00:04:09.840 --> 00:04:13.500 prosecutor for 28 years with the County of Los Angeles. 73 00:04:13.639 --> 00:04:17.060 I've made that my life's work. I'm really very passionate 74 00:04:17.259 --> 00:04:21.110 about standing for communities and with communities and standing up 75 00:04:21.209 --> 00:04:24.790 for victims of crime and making sure that our criminal 76 00:04:24.850 --> 00:04:30.629 justice system operates fairly for everyone. including the offenders. And 77 00:04:30.670 --> 00:04:33.949 I've done that very well over 28 years. I've handled 78 00:04:34.029 --> 00:04:38.529 thousands of cases. I've taken over 100 cases to jury trial, 79 00:04:38.910 --> 00:04:42.550 and I was successful in those cases 97% of the time. 80 00:04:43.009 --> 00:04:44.649 That's incredible. Keep going. 81 00:04:45.769 --> 00:04:47.649 I want to take a moment here just to point 82 00:04:47.750 --> 00:04:50.600 out that Marissa Roy, my opponent in this race, has 83 00:04:50.750 --> 00:04:54.500 never tried a case. Not one. And she's run it 84 00:04:54.620 --> 00:04:59.550 into oversee the work of 550 lawyers, no trial experience. 85 00:05:00.370 --> 00:05:05.480 But going back to the role of the prosecutor, the 86 00:05:05.519 --> 00:05:08.720 role of the city attorney on the prosecution side, again, 87 00:05:09.160 --> 00:05:12.300 this is to enforce the laws, to improve the quality 88 00:05:12.339 --> 00:05:14.560 of life, to make our streets safer, to make it 89 00:05:14.600 --> 00:05:20.129 more possible for businesses to operate, to attract investment to 90 00:05:20.170 --> 00:05:23.699 the city, to attract tourists to the city. which is 91 00:05:23.759 --> 00:05:27.129 how this city moves forward and grows. It all starts 92 00:05:27.170 --> 00:05:32.310 with public safety. And closely related to that is tackling 93 00:05:32.350 --> 00:05:36.649 the homeless situation, getting people off of our sidewalks and 94 00:05:36.810 --> 00:05:39.550 into a stabilized environment where they can get the care 95 00:05:39.610 --> 00:05:42.870 and treatment that they need to hopefully one day regain 96 00:05:42.930 --> 00:05:46.939 some semblance of independence. The city attorney can also play 97 00:05:46.980 --> 00:05:51.389 a role in that on the prosecution side of the office. But, 98 00:05:51.430 --> 00:05:54.009 you know, we have a city attorney now who had 99 00:05:54.069 --> 00:05:58.759 no criminal law experience, no prosecution experience. And then also 100 00:05:58.800 --> 00:06:02.420 Marissa Roy has none either. And she came into office 101 00:06:02.480 --> 00:06:04.740 and right away she got rid of the most popular 102 00:06:04.800 --> 00:06:07.139 program in the city of Los Angeles. It was called 103 00:06:07.180 --> 00:06:11.370 the Neighborhood Prosecutor Program, started by Rocky Delgadillo back in 104 00:06:11.389 --> 00:06:15.449 the 1990s. Rocky has endorsed me for city attorney, along 105 00:06:15.490 --> 00:06:18.680 with three other former city attorneys, by the way. And 106 00:06:18.720 --> 00:06:22.839 this program embedded a deputy city attorney in every police 107 00:06:22.899 --> 00:06:27.279 district to service the needs of each individual community. So 108 00:06:27.519 --> 00:06:33.759 the neighborhood prosecutor was there to interface with homeowners associations, 109 00:06:33.819 --> 00:06:37.850 neighborhood council groups, and residents to deal with problems that 110 00:06:37.910 --> 00:06:41.850 didn't necessarily rise to the level of a criminal case. 111 00:06:42.800 --> 00:06:45.329 The idea is let's take care of these problems before 112 00:06:45.370 --> 00:06:48.589 they become a criminal matter or before they blow up 113 00:06:48.649 --> 00:06:52.370 into a big lawsuit. They were there to deal with 114 00:06:52.470 --> 00:06:56.209 issues that, frankly, residents have a hard time getting anybody 115 00:06:56.250 --> 00:06:59.250 in city government to address. They could call their neighborhood 116 00:06:59.310 --> 00:07:02.800 prosecutor who knew how to activate the police and activate 117 00:07:02.819 --> 00:07:05.959 the city attorney's office. The current city attorney got rid 118 00:07:05.980 --> 00:07:09.019 of that program almost immediately after she got into office. 119 00:07:09.180 --> 00:07:11.740 She sort of rebranded it. It was never what it was. 120 00:07:12.550 --> 00:07:15.769 And I have pledged to bring that back very early 121 00:07:15.910 --> 00:07:19.459 on in my administration if I'm elected. I want a 122 00:07:19.509 --> 00:07:24.160 neighborhood prosecutor in every neighborhood across the city the way 123 00:07:24.199 --> 00:07:27.040 it was before the current city attorney. Now, my opponent 124 00:07:27.079 --> 00:07:30.379 has talked about bringing back some semblance of it because 125 00:07:30.420 --> 00:07:32.980 she knows how popular it is. But she wants to 126 00:07:33.019 --> 00:07:37.220 bring back what she called neighborhood advocates. She doesn't like 127 00:07:37.279 --> 00:07:40.220 to use the word prosecutor because she's really not that 128 00:07:40.360 --> 00:07:44.209 into that part of the job. She's not really interested 129 00:07:44.250 --> 00:07:47.250 in enforcing the law. She has gone on record in 130 00:07:47.269 --> 00:07:53.089 the past supporting a program of suspending prosecution of certain misdemeanors. 131 00:07:53.649 --> 00:07:58.939 She has said publicly that she won't enforce local ordinance 4118, 132 00:07:58.939 --> 00:08:03.560 which is the safe parks and schools ordinance that keeps 133 00:08:03.639 --> 00:08:06.500 encampments from setting up in front of schools and parks. 134 00:08:07.399 --> 00:08:10.949 So it's very important to have a city attorney but 135 00:08:10.970 --> 00:08:14.550 not only has a background in prosecution,

but also values 136 00:08:14.610 --> 00:08:15.519 the importance of it. 137 00:08:16.610 --> 00:08:20.110 You know, you're just someone who really wants to uphold 138 00:08:20.149 --> 00:08:25.970 the law. We've gotten so far away from that for 139 00:08:26.029 --> 00:08:30.370 some time now. And what is it that so many 140 00:08:30.410 --> 00:08:36.100 voters are attracted to when so many people really don't 141 00:08:36.220 --> 00:08:39.120 even seem to be interested in upholding the law, but 142 00:08:39.159 --> 00:08:42.350 rather skirting around it? And by that, I'm talking about 143 00:08:42.389 --> 00:08:45.429 your opponent and also the way things are being currently 144 00:08:45.470 --> 00:08:49.919 handled with the L.A. city attorney. Could you talk to 145 00:08:49.960 --> 00:08:54.139 me about that? Is it that voters are not necessarily 146 00:08:54.200 --> 00:08:56.139 doing their homework and laying it out? You know how 147 00:08:56.179 --> 00:08:59.299 you put pros and cons on a piece of paper? 148 00:08:59.379 --> 00:09:01.419 Are they not doing that? Are they going to the 149 00:09:01.460 --> 00:09:04.460 polls blinded? Because this is just common sense, what you're saying, 150 00:09:04.519 --> 00:09:05.679 I guess is what I'm looking at. 151 00:09:06.259 --> 00:09:08.850 Yeah, look, I don't think our criminal laws ask that 152 00:09:08.909 --> 00:09:12.580 much of people, especially misdemeanors. Don't get drunk and get 153 00:09:12.600 --> 00:09:15.659 in the car and drive. Keep your hands to yourself. 154 00:09:16.120 --> 00:09:21.309 Don't steal other people's property. Don't beat your partner. These 155 00:09:21.350 --> 00:09:24.809 are basic things that doesn't ask a whole lot of 156 00:09:24.870 --> 00:09:28.129 people to comply with. So they shouldn't be controversial and 157 00:09:28.149 --> 00:09:30.889 it shouldn't be controversial that we hold people accountable when 158 00:09:30.929 --> 00:09:35.429 they cross those lines. So I don't really know what's 159 00:09:35.490 --> 00:09:39.070 going on in the minds of people who think that 160 00:09:39.110 --> 00:09:42.120 it's a good idea to defund police or defund jails 161 00:09:42.169 --> 00:09:44.679 or close jails or think we can have a society 162 00:09:44.740 --> 00:09:47.960 without that kind of accountability. Except to say that for 163 00:09:48.000 --> 00:09:51.259 the last 15 or 20 years, especially here in California, 164 00:09:51.379 --> 00:09:56.669 especially here in L.A., we've sort of had a marketing 165 00:09:57.169 --> 00:10:04.009 campaign against police officers. and prosecutors, really talking about criminal 166 00:10:04.100 --> 00:10:09.600 offenders as if they're the real victims, completely ignoring actual victims. 167 00:10:09.940 --> 00:10:12.519 We saw a lot of this through the Gascon era. 168 00:10:13.039 --> 00:10:15.779 When he was voted out of office, I thought, okay, well, 169 00:10:15.919 --> 00:10:17.940 the winds of change are starting to

blow in the 170 00:10:17.960 --> 00:10:22.490 other direction. And they are, but not as strongly as 171 00:10:22.549 --> 00:10:24.970 we need. And look, some of this comes from a 172 00:10:25.190 --> 00:10:29.870 desire for criminal justice reform after the 90s and 2000s, 173 00:10:31.029 --> 00:10:33.539 where there was a need for some reform, but we 174 00:10:33.559 --> 00:10:38.200 have completely overshot the bullseye. The pendulum has completely swung 175 00:10:38.240 --> 00:10:41.080 too far in the other direction. And now we have 176 00:10:41.120 --> 00:10:44.500 a lot of nonsensical laws that that allow people to 177 00:10:44.559 --> 00:10:47.639 go through the revolving door of the justice system no 178 00:10:47.700 --> 00:10:50.559 sooner than they're arrested for one bad act and back 179 00:10:50.620 --> 00:10:53.570 out on the street committing another one. And so we 180 00:10:53.610 --> 00:10:55.750 have a lot of work to do to correct that. 181 00:10:55.870 --> 00:10:57.809 Some of that is at the local level. A lot 182 00:10:57.850 --> 00:11:00.850 of it is at the state level. But in the meantime, 183 00:11:01.049 --> 00:11:03.840 we need to have serious-minded leaders who are going to 184 00:11:03.899 --> 00:11:05.299 enforce the laws that we have. 185 00:11:06.450 --> 00:11:08.509 Why do you want to run for this position as 186 00:11:08.590 --> 00:11:12.090 opposed to staying with what you're doing with the L.A. 187 00:11:12.149 --> 00:11:14.389 County Deputy District Attorney's Office? 188 00:11:14.429 --> 00:11:16.909 Why? Well, because I think I can be a lot 189 00:11:16.950 --> 00:11:20.250 more impactful than the current city attorney who's no longer 190 00:11:20.330 --> 00:11:22.090 in the race. So that's kind of a move point 191 00:11:22.169 --> 00:11:26.610 at this point. But certainly I can be a better 192 00:11:26.669 --> 00:11:29.429 city attorney for the city of Los Angeles than Marissa Roy. 193 00:11:29.549 --> 00:11:33.230 Marissa Roy is basically the second coming of George Gascon, 194 00:11:33.330 --> 00:11:36.470 except she'll have more power. because she has the power 195 00:11:36.490 --> 00:11:39.230 of being the general counsel for the city of Los Angeles. 196 00:11:39.649 --> 00:11:42.960 She will take this city in the wrong, absolute wrong 197 00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:46.539 direction when it comes to safe streets, when it comes 198 00:11:46.620 --> 00:11:54.059 to responsible development or opening businesses. She will chase investment 199 00:11:54.139 --> 00:11:56.720 out of this city because she has already said that 200 00:11:56.779 --> 00:12:04.159 she is going to target homeowners, small businesses, corporations, And 201 00:12:04.210 --> 00:12:07.169 she always mentions Trump because she knows that triggers people 202 00:12:07.230 --> 00:12:12.470 in Los Angeles. But she is a completely mismatched person 203 00:12:12.509 --> 00:12:14.980 for what the job actually is in the same way 204 00:12:15.019 --> 00:12:16.279 that George Gascon was. 205 00:12:17.799 --> 00:12:17.899 Yeah. 206 00:12:17.919 --> 00:12:18.000 Yeah. 207 00:12:18.610 --> 00:12:20.389 Talk to me a little bit about your background. How 208 00:12:20.429 --> 00:12:23.129 did you get here? You were born in New Jersey, 209 00:12:23.230 --> 00:12:24.909 which is where I was born. I know that you were, 210 00:12:25.470 --> 00:12:27.100 I think you were born in the same city as 211 00:12:27.149 --> 00:12:31.399 my husband, actually, in Passaic, New Jersey. And, you know, 212 00:12:31.500 --> 00:12:35.139 hearing about your young life, about your parents and losing 213 00:12:35.159 --> 00:12:37.220 your parents, why don't you tell our audience about you 214 00:12:37.279 --> 00:12:38.840 and how you came up the system and how you 215 00:12:38.899 --> 00:12:40.659 even ended up in Los Angeles doing this? 216 00:12:41.559 --> 00:12:44.379 Yeah, it's been quite a journey, Debra, let me tell you. 217 00:12:45.539 --> 00:12:48.210 I got dealt a pretty tough hand early in life. 218 00:12:48.899 --> 00:12:51.759 I was born into a low income working class neighborhood, 219 00:12:51.840 --> 00:12:55.419 which wasn't a problem. The problems for me started when 220 00:12:55.460 --> 00:12:58.090 my mother passed away. My mother passed away when I 221 00:12:58.120 --> 00:13:01.889 was two years old. And then my father passed away 222 00:13:01.929 --> 00:13:05.090 when I was five years old. There was a brief 223 00:13:05.149 --> 00:13:07.570 time there where it was unclear as to whether I 224 00:13:07.590 --> 00:13:10.070 would go into foster care or not. But I had 225 00:13:10.110 --> 00:13:13.159 a sister who stepped in and stepped up. In a 226 00:13:13.220 --> 00:13:16.600 big way, because my sister had already had three children 227 00:13:16.659 --> 00:13:19.080 of her own. She had been married. Her marriage fell 228 00:13:19.120 --> 00:13:22.159 apart just at the time that my father passed away 229 00:13:22.240 --> 00:13:24.879 and left me and another sibling to be taken care of. 230 00:13:26.299 --> 00:13:29.159 My sister stepped up and took us both in. And 231 00:13:29.220 --> 00:13:32.519 she raised us as a single parent, head of household, 232 00:13:33.559 --> 00:13:37.759 paycheck to paycheck existence, making a half a gallon of 233 00:13:37.799 --> 00:13:40.940 milk stretch for a family of five. through a week 234 00:13:41.100 --> 00:13:44.019 of cereal and whatever else we needed milk for. It 235 00:13:44.059 --> 00:13:48.320 was tough, but she ran a great household. She kept 236 00:13:48.580 --> 00:13:52.070 us safe. She kept us together. And then her work 237 00:13:52.179 --> 00:13:55.090 ethic was so strong, it couldn't help but rub off 238 00:13:55.210 --> 00:13:59.149 on me. Her guidance kept me out of trouble. Crack 239 00:13:59.190 --> 00:14:01.590 cocaine hit the streets of our city in the 80s, 240 00:14:01.649 --> 00:14:04.129 just when I was a teenager, just at the right 241

00:14:04.350 --> 00:14:06.919 age to maybe drop out of school and go to 242 00:14:06.940 --> 00:14:09.419 the corner and sling dope and make a lot of money. 243 00:14:10.440 --> 00:14:12.779 A lot of my friends did it. I had to 244 00:14:12.820 --> 00:14:15.519 make the decision not to do it every single day. 245 00:14:16.220 --> 00:14:19.019 My sister was sort of my North star and keeping 246 00:14:19.059 --> 00:14:21.889 me off the block. I ended up going to work 247 00:14:21.909 --> 00:14:24.809 full time. I did all kinds of jobs, fast food. 248 00:14:24.950 --> 00:14:28.269 I was a driver, parts delivery driver. I worked for 249 00:14:28.289 --> 00:14:31.470 a carpenter. I worked for a painting contractor, anything I 250 00:14:31.509 --> 00:14:34.269 can get because at 19, I was out of the house. 251 00:14:34.350 --> 00:14:38.139 I was already paying rent, paying for transportation, paying my 252 00:14:38.240 --> 00:14:41.830 utilities and So I worked full-time days and started going 253 00:14:41.850 --> 00:14:46.470 to school full-time nights, summers, and weekends. Got my undergraduate 254 00:14:46.509 --> 00:14:49.990 degree from Rutgers University and had an opportunity to come 255 00:14:50.070 --> 00:14:53.309 out here for law school. You went to Rutgers too, 256 00:14:53.370 --> 00:14:53.690 all right. 257 00:14:53.750 --> 00:14:55.669 Yeah, I'm a Rutgers grad, but yeah. 258 00:14:55.690 --> 00:14:56.370 Charlotte Knights. 259 00:14:56.909 --> 00:14:57.769 Yeah, Charlotte Knights. 260 00:14:58.110 --> 00:15:00.210 Came out here for law school in the mid-90s, 1994, 261 00:15:00.200 --> 00:15:01.799 August 5th, 1994 to be exact. I'll never forget the day. 262 00:15:05.509 --> 00:15:08.039 Jumped on the super shuttle. It took me to Westwood. 263 00:15:08.080 --> 00:15:11.700 I had two suitcases, $ 250 and a desire to learn 264 00:15:11.740 --> 00:15:14.720 the law. I spent the next three years studying at 265 00:15:14.860 --> 00:15:18.840 UCLA and after graduation went right to work in public 266 00:15:18.879 --> 00:15:21.840 service because I wanted to give something back to Los 267 00:15:21.960 --> 00:15:24.679 Angeles for giving me the opportunity to attend one of 268 00:15:24.720 --> 00:15:27.570 the top law schools in the world. I didn't know 269 00:15:27.590 --> 00:15:30.269 that I would stay 28 years, but here I am 270 00:15:30.269 --> 00:15:34.500 28 years later, and it's been quite a rewarding career 271 00:15:34.620 --> 00:15:39.240 at the DA's office. I'm currently the director of specialized prosecutions. 272 00:15:39.840 --> 00:15:43.110 So I oversee the work now of over 300 lawyers 273 00:15:43.179 --> 00:15:46.070 and staff every day. By the way, my opponent, Marissa Roy, 274 00:15:46.110 --> 00:15:49.250 has no management experience at all. So she's never tried 275 00:15:49.309 --> 00:15:53.450 a case and she has no management experience. I oversee 276 00:15:53.490 --> 00:15:55.750 the work of eight different divisions, and

these men and 277 00:15:55.789 --> 00:15:58.860 women prosecute some of the most impactful cases in the county. 278 00:15:59.139 --> 00:16:02.960 When the Reiners got murdered, on that day, the very 279 00:16:03.000 --> 00:16:05.360 day the news broke, we were already on the phone 280 00:16:05.419 --> 00:16:09.299 as a legal team preparing to assist in the investigation 281 00:16:09.360 --> 00:16:12.980 and eventually take the case. When Celeste Rivas was found 282 00:16:13.000 --> 00:16:16.960 in the trunk of a Tesla that was owned by 283 00:16:17.159 --> 00:16:21.500 D4VD or David Burke, We were already working with the 284 00:16:21.559 --> 00:16:24.440 investigators on that to set up the grand jury, which 285 00:16:24.460 --> 00:16:28.409 eventually led to the preliminary hearing that everyone saw. When 286 00:16:28.690 --> 00:16:33.049 Nicole Linton blew through the intersection at Slauson and La 287 00:16:33.110 --> 00:16:36.789 Brea and killed six people, that case was also handled 288 00:16:37.230 --> 00:16:40.440 by my bureau. So we handle the most consequential cases 289 00:16:40.500 --> 00:16:43.220 in the county. I'm called upon to make high-impact legal 290 00:16:43.279 --> 00:16:46.860 decisions multiple times a day. I'm very comfortable with it. 291 00:16:47.379 --> 00:16:49.779 I'm an advisor to the department head, who is the 292 00:16:49.840 --> 00:16:53.179 district attorney, Nathan Hoffman, who has also endorsed me, by 293 00:16:53.220 --> 00:16:56.659 the way. And so that's been my journey from Pasek, 294 00:16:57.000 --> 00:16:59.960 a kid who lost both parents before he finished kindergarten, 295 00:17:00.440 --> 00:17:03.799 to the director of specialized prosecutions for the largest local 296 00:17:03.860 --> 00:17:06.920 prosecuting agency in the country. And now I want to 297 00:17:06.980 --> 00:17:10.700 take everything that I've learned both personally and professionally to 298 00:17:10.779 --> 00:17:13.369 City Hall to help this city get back on its 299 00:17:13.400 --> 00:17:14.200 feet in a big way. 300 00:17:15.519 --> 00:17:19.220 Talk to me about the importance of 4118, would you? 301 00:17:19.880 --> 00:17:25.150 Yes, 4118. It is a local ordinance, meaning it was 302 00:17:25.210 --> 00:17:28.789 passed by our city council, signed by our mayor. Tracy 303 00:17:28.809 --> 00:17:33.140 Park referred to it as the Safe Parks and Schools Act. 304 00:17:33.960 --> 00:17:35.319 It is basically the. 305 00:17:35.380 --> 00:17:44.130 Anti-encampment law that is supposed to prohibit really any obstructions 306 00:17:44.230 --> 00:17:47.450 of our sidewalks or encampments in our parks and other 307 00:17:47.490 --> 00:17:48.299 public places. 308 00:17:49.130 --> 00:17:56.339 It particularly carves out protection for sensitive areas like parks, schools, libraries, hospitals, 309 00:17:56.920 --> 00:18:01.000 and it basically proscribes any encampments within 500 feet of 310 00:18:01.039 --> 00:18:05.230 those areas in particular, but can also protect other places 311 00:18:05.329 --> 00:18:08.950 around the city. It is a necessary tool in the 312 00:18:09.009 --> 00:18:13.099 toolbox of the city attorney to help by working with 313 00:18:13.140 --> 00:18:18.700 law enforcement, keep those public spaces available to the public. 314 00:18:19.359 --> 00:18:23.960 But it also gives us an opportunity to leverage the 315 00:18:24.009 --> 00:18:27.970 people who are living on the sidewalk into stabilized treatment 316 00:18:28.049 --> 00:18:31.730 and care whenever they happen to run afoul of that 317 00:18:31.789 --> 00:18:32.609 particular law. 318 00:18:34.349 --> 00:18:37.539 People seem to forget it's against the law. to camp 319 00:18:37.599 --> 00:18:39.680 out on the sidewalk. I mean, I remember back in 320 00:18:39.720 --> 00:18:42.109 the day when you'd be called upon if you were 321 00:18:42.140 --> 00:18:44.869 spitting or throwing your gum on the sidewalk. And now 322 00:18:44.970 --> 00:18:47.529 it just seems as though anybody can live there, lay there, 323 00:18:47.549 --> 00:18:52.809 do their business there. We've gotten so far away from 324 00:18:52.829 --> 00:18:54.589 the law and order of where we need to be 325 00:18:54.650 --> 00:18:58.750 just to have a sensible life here. What went wrong? 326 00:18:59.730 --> 00:19:03.700 And I feel like there's a turn happening, but that's 327 00:19:03.759 --> 00:19:08.369 why this your election and so many others are so critical, 328 00:19:08.809 --> 00:19:11.950 so critical because we have to keep going in that direction. 329 00:19:13.259 --> 00:19:15.559 How do we continue in that direction? How do you 330 00:19:15.599 --> 00:19:18.079 get the message out? And how did we even get 331 00:19:18.119 --> 00:19:20.180 here in the first place? Because if people want more 332 00:19:20.220 --> 00:19:25.299 of it, of what's brought us here, I don't get it. 333 00:19:25.420 --> 00:19:27.920 I guess that's what I'm saying. So what do you say? 334 00:19:28.259 --> 00:19:33.500 The solution begins with rebuilding trust. between our government and 335 00:19:33.819 --> 00:19:38.329 our residents. And in particular, the arms of government, like 336 00:19:38.430 --> 00:19:42.990 policing and prosecutions and the courts. Like I said, there 337 00:19:43.029 --> 00:19:47.190 was a deliberate campaign to turn the public against those 338 00:19:47.289 --> 00:19:50.599 institutions for the last 20 years. We've been boom, and 339 00:19:50.680 --> 00:19:54.200 scapegoated for every problem in the city and the county 340 00:19:54.240 --> 00:19:57.559 of Los Angeles. It's all been blamed on a bad 341 00:19:57.619 --> 00:20:02.150 criminal justice system. And a lot of those narratives were 342 00:20:02.250 --> 00:20:08.569 false and politicized to advance other interests. But we now 343 00:20:08.650 --> 00:20:11.009 have the burden. When I say we, I mean those 344 00:20:11.049 --> 00:20:14.869 of us in government who work for those

organizations and institutions. 345 00:20:15.529 --> 00:20:19.670 We have an obligation to be transparent, to reveal what 346 00:20:19.690 --> 00:20:22.819 we're actually doing, to teach people, for example, what the 347 00:20:22.880 --> 00:20:24.759 role of the DA is, what the role of the 348 00:20:24.819 --> 00:20:28.460 city attorney is, show our statistics to people, have an 349 00:20:28.619 --> 00:20:31.660 open door, and really rebuild the trust with the community 350 00:20:31.980 --> 00:20:36.630 so that when those false narratives are broadcasted, People in 351 00:20:36.650 --> 00:20:40.549 the community will say, no, that's not true. And, you know, 352 00:20:40.569 --> 00:20:43.849 there's falsity all the time now. And with social media, 353 00:20:43.869 --> 00:20:47.230 it gets amplified in a big way. And we're still 354 00:20:47.309 --> 00:20:49.890 at a point where people tend to believe whatever they 355 00:20:49.990 --> 00:20:53.650 see on television or online. And it's because it comes 356 00:20:53.690 --> 00:20:56.450 from actually a good place. They think that if something 357 00:20:56.529 --> 00:20:59.910 is on TV, it must be true. Otherwise, you couldn't 358 00:20:59.950 --> 00:21:03.450 put it on TV. Or if they see something in print, 359 00:21:03.539 --> 00:21:07.009 it must be true. Because they believe there's some filter 360 00:21:07.029 --> 00:21:11.839 that would keep falsehoods out of print. And we have 361 00:21:11.859 --> 00:21:14.480 to let them know, no, you have to be skeptical 362 00:21:14.539 --> 00:21:16.900 of everything you see and hear and question it. And 363 00:21:16.940 --> 00:21:19.250 you'll often find that what you see and hear is 364 00:21:19.309 --> 00:21:21.210 either misleading or completely untrue. 365 00:21:22.769 --> 00:21:24.849 You have to work closely with the mayor's office, or 366 00:21:24.890 --> 00:21:29.039 you would be as city attorney. We've got a mayor's 367 00:21:29.099 --> 00:21:31.579 race coming up with Mayor Bass, who already knows so 368 00:21:31.599 --> 00:21:34.319 many of the issues that have happened there. We've got 369 00:21:34.519 --> 00:21:39.539 Nithya Raman, her opponent. Who, in your estimation, would be 370 00:21:42.180 --> 00:21:45.460 the best interest of the people of Los Angeles or 371 00:21:45.509 --> 00:21:49.150 certainly the easiest for you to work with to get 372 00:21:49.190 --> 00:21:50.390 done what you need to get done? 373 00:21:50.410 --> 00:21:55.930 Okay, great question. I have not endorsed either one. Neither 374 00:21:56.009 --> 00:22:01.269 one has endorsed me. But when I look at each candidate, 375 00:22:01.369 --> 00:22:04.450 I'm thinking first and foremost about public safety. That's my 376 00:22:04.579 --> 00:22:07.660 number one priority coming in as city attorney if I 377 00:22:07.680 --> 00:22:10.259 get elected. So I'm looking at them in terms of 378 00:22:10.339 --> 00:22:14.059 who will be the best mayor for public safety. And 379 00:22:14.259 --> 00:22:18.480 for me, it's a pretty easy answer. And that person 380 00:22:18.539 --> 00:22:22.220 is Karen Bass. hands down. She is the best person 381 00:22:22.319 --> 00:22:25.220 for public safety for Los Angeles, and I can give 382 00:22:25.240 --> 00:22:27.680 you a variety of reasons why. Let's start with the 383 00:22:27.740 --> 00:22:32.809 fact that Nithya Raman has accepted the endorsement of the DSA. 384 00:22:34.089 --> 00:22:37.869 Marissa Roy, my opponent, is an actual member of the DSA, 385 00:22:38.630 --> 00:22:41.289 and we know that the DSA wants to defund and 386 00:22:41.329 --> 00:22:45.559 abolish policing and abolish our jails. They are not interested 387 00:22:45.619 --> 00:22:50.039 really in enforcing the law. They tend to and they 388 00:22:50.099 --> 00:22:55.440 ignore victims completely. So that tells you right there where 389 00:22:55.500 --> 00:22:59.339 Nithya is on public safety versus the mayor. The mayor 390 00:22:59.380 --> 00:23:02.019 has also been very good to the Los Angeles Police 391 00:23:02.059 --> 00:23:06.380 Department for the purpose of trying to retain officers. We 392 00:23:06.420 --> 00:23:09.150 have a lot of officers who are retiring. I mean, 393 00:23:09.170 --> 00:23:15.190 they feel unappreciated or underappreciated in the city. They can 394 00:23:15.210 --> 00:23:19.150 be hired very easily by surrounding cities, smaller agencies that 395 00:23:19.170 --> 00:23:23.529 can compete with the wages and benefits of Los Angeles. 396 00:23:23.849 --> 00:23:27.119 And those communities will appreciate them better. And the working 397 00:23:27.150 --> 00:23:30.220 conditions are not as dangerous as they are in Los Angeles. 398 00:23:31.079 --> 00:23:36.460 So the mayor has been very aggressive at offering wages 399 00:23:36.500 --> 00:23:39.480 and benefit packages to LAPD to try and keep that 400 00:23:40.019 --> 00:23:43.589 expertise here in the city, especially with the Olympics coming up. 401 00:23:44.390 --> 00:23:47.170 I also like that Mayor Bass supports the current chief 402 00:23:47.230 --> 00:23:50.839 of police. Jim McDonald is a very, very solid lawman. 403 00:23:51.859 --> 00:23:56.160 He works well with the rank and file in that department. 404 00:23:56.619 --> 00:23:59.640 He is in place with less than 600 days before 405 00:23:59.660 --> 00:24:02.869 the Olympics with a plan to secure this city during 406 00:24:02.890 --> 00:24:06.230 the Olympics. And he's doing it with probably one third 407 00:24:06.289 --> 00:24:10.230 the force that Los Angeles really needs. Nithya Raman has 408 00:24:10.470 --> 00:24:13.509 said she's pledged that she would fire him very early on. 409 00:24:14.420 --> 00:24:17.390 And there's rumor that she would even consider bringing in 410 00:24:17.470 --> 00:24:20.859 George Gaston, which would be just, you couldn't make it. 411 00:24:20.910 --> 00:24:23.289 You can't make this stuff up. If you wrote this, 412 00:24:23.369 -->

00:24:25.309 they would run you out of the room as writing 413 00:24:25.349 --> 00:24:30.230 ridiculous copy. But that is a very real possibility. So 414 00:24:30.269 --> 00:24:32.970 for all of those reasons, Karen Bass has shown that 415 00:24:33.009 --> 00:24:37.079 she cares about public safety. She takes this seriously. And 416 00:24:37.119 --> 00:24:41.380 Nithya Raman really has no experience in public safety. and 417 00:24:41.420 --> 00:24:43.559 has signaled that she will do things that I think 418 00:24:43.599 --> 00:24:46.400 will be catastrophic. So as city attorney, I have a 419 00:24:46.500 --> 00:24:50.119 better chance, I believe, working with Mayor Bass than I 420 00:24:50.180 --> 00:24:51.259 would with Nithya Raman. 421 00:24:52.640 --> 00:24:54.740 What do you want to say to people who are undecided, 422 00:24:54.779 --> 00:24:56.279 who aren't sure if they want to vote for you 423 00:24:56.319 --> 00:25:00.309 or not? What do you say to them? Wait, give 424 00:25:00.329 --> 00:25:01.130 them the big pitch. 425 00:25:02.410 --> 00:25:05.210 These are people who are undecided about my race. 426 00:25:06.069 --> 00:25:06.269 Yeah. 427 00:25:06.769 --> 00:25:10.299 Well, let's start with experience, right? There's a huge experience 428 00:25:10.420 --> 00:25:13.519 gap between me and my opponent. I've already talked about 429 00:25:14.299 --> 00:25:16.960 my work as the director in the DA's office. I 430 00:25:17.039 --> 00:25:21.109 oversee a large legal team. I already engage in the 431 00:25:21.609 --> 00:25:25.529 same kind of leadership and management responsibilities that the city 432 00:25:25.569 --> 00:25:30.210 attorney will face against an opponent who's never been assigned 433 00:25:30.250 --> 00:25:34.869 to manage anyone or anything. Zero management experience, looking to 434 00:25:34.910 --> 00:25:37.519 take over one of the largest law firms in the state, 435 00:25:38.140 --> 00:25:42.720 and the second largest municipal law firm in the country. Already, 436 00:25:42.819 --> 00:25:46.549 people must be scratching their head at that stark contrast 437 00:25:46.609 --> 00:25:50.589 in experience. I've tried over 100 cases, very successful. She's 438 00:25:50.630 --> 00:25:53.569 never tried a case. The city is facing 3,000 lawsuits 439 00:25:53.589 --> 00:25:59.039 today with a likely probability of a liability of $ 1. 5 billion. 440 00:26:00.339 --> 00:26:03.019 That means the next city attorney is going to have 441 00:26:03.059 --> 00:26:07.430 to employ a risk management system cut down on the 442 00:26:07.470 --> 00:26:11.650 number of these lawsuits throughout city government, but also deal 443 00:26:11.670 --> 00:26:14.849 with the 3,000 lawsuits that are already filed. And how 444 00:26:15.150 --> 00:26:17.430 do you do that if you've never gone to trial yourself? 445 00:26:17.509 --> 00:26:19.789 How do you sit down with scenes and trial lawyers 446 00:26:19.829 --> 00:26:23.029 to discuss trial strategy and

the dynamics of a case 447 00:26:23.109 --> 00:26:25.410 and the strength of a case, whether a case should 448 00:26:25.430 --> 00:26:27.789 be settled or whether it should be fought if you've 449 00:26:27.890 --> 00:26:33.920 never tried one case? Again, very stark contrast in experience. 450 00:26:34.829 --> 00:26:38.589 And then my priority is aligned with what voters in 451 00:26:38.609 --> 00:26:41.410 the last poll that was taken say they want to see. 452 00:26:41.630 --> 00:26:44.269 They want to see public safety, cleaner streets. They want 453 00:26:44.309 --> 00:26:48.430 people off of the sidewalks. They know it's inhumane. They 454 00:26:48.509 --> 00:26:51.849 know that it is horrific that five people die on 455 00:26:51.910 --> 00:26:55.890 our sidewalks every day. They've tolerated it long enough. They've 456 00:26:55.910 --> 00:26:58.450 spent enough money. They don't want to see it anymore. 457 00:26:58.509 --> 00:27:02.289 And they want serious-minded people. I do most of my 458 00:27:02.390 --> 00:27:05.289 interaction with the public on Instagram. So for folks who 459 00:27:05.329 --> 00:27:08.089 are on Instagram, you can find me at John McKinney 460 00:27:08.329 --> 00:27:13.599 underscore and also on Facebook at the same location, John 461 00:27:13.640 --> 00:27:17.019 McKinney underscore. What I need people to do is talk 462 00:27:17.059 --> 00:27:21.779 about me because I think when any reasonable, objective person, 463 00:27:21.819 --> 00:27:25.160 you know what my opponent is doing. First of all, 464 00:27:25.460 --> 00:27:30.430 she hasn't been very honest about her work history. She 465 00:27:30.529 --> 00:27:34.369 said that she worked for the city attorney's office and 466 00:27:34.410 --> 00:27:37.829 that she even fought a wage theft case that returned 467 00:27:37.930 --> 00:27:40.579 tens of thousands of dollars to workers. It gives people 468 00:27:40.599 --> 00:27:43.319 the impression, Oh, she was a deputy city attorney. What 469 00:27:43.380 --> 00:27:47.019 she was was a volunteer with the city attorney's office. 470 00:27:47.059 --> 00:27:49.740 She's never been an employee of the city attorney's office. 471 00:27:50.339 --> 00:27:53.119 And as a volunteer, she played the role that volunteers 472 00:27:53.269 --> 00:27:58.480 play a very minor role. Wow. Um, So she has 473 00:27:58.509 --> 00:28:01.730 this kind of fast and loose relationship with the truth. 474 00:28:01.769 --> 00:28:05.069 So what she's doing now, you know I'm a lifelong Democrat. 475 00:28:05.130 --> 00:28:08.170 I voted in my first election at 19 years old. 476 00:28:09.529 --> 00:28:13.730 But she's sending out mailers and doing commercials with my 477 00:28:13.809 --> 00:28:18.049 picture next to Trump and J.D. Vance, trying to use 478 00:28:18.309 --> 00:28:23.309 fear tactics against Democrats who really care about those things 479 00:28:24.490 --> 00:28:27.119 to get them to not even consider me as a candidate. 480 00:28:27.779 --> 00:28:30.140 But what I just need is people to take a 481 00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:33.619 look for themselves. You do the comparison and the contrast. 482 00:28:33.660 --> 00:28:36.230 You listen to what I say the city needs and 483 00:28:36.269 --> 00:28:39.049 what she wants to do. And I'm very comfortable then 484 00:28:39.109 --> 00:28:41.210 that we'll be successful on November 3rd. 485 00:28:41.829 --> 00:28:45.289 You have to be successful on November 3rd. We just 486 00:28:45.309 --> 00:28:48.970 need some decent law and order. We're not even asking 487 00:28:48.990 --> 00:28:52.789 for too much. Just to keep us safe. Keep, you know, 488 00:28:52.809 --> 00:28:56.710 the people who need help, get them help. Fight things fairly. 489 00:28:57.789 --> 00:29:00.329 It's not that much of an order. And as to 490 00:29:00.369 --> 00:29:04.210 your point, she is a DSA member and that's a 491 00:29:04.250 --> 00:29:06.910 whole different situation than a Democrat. 492 00:29:07.269 --> 00:29:10.390 I mean, that's reason alone. That really is reason alone 493 00:29:10.450 --> 00:29:13.170 not to vote for her because she is a member. 494 00:29:13.269 --> 00:29:19.039 She has pledged to govern with a private organization. My 495 00:29:19.099 --> 00:29:23.839 fidelity will be to the people. To no organization. She's 496 00:29:24.200 --> 00:29:27.799 pledged to allow another organization to have input on the 497 00:29:27.839 --> 00:29:30.900 decisions that she would make as city attorney. That's disqualifying 498 00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:35.029 all by itself. And that's before you get into their 499 00:29:35.089 --> 00:29:39.970 crazy platform and what they believe should happen in this city. Yeah. 500 00:29:40.630 --> 00:29:44.599 How important are the upcoming Olympics to this city and 501 00:29:44.630 --> 00:29:46.380 keeping law and order and all that? That's going to 502 00:29:46.420 --> 00:29:49.160 be huge for you. That's going to be huge. 503 00:29:50.240 --> 00:29:54.539 I'm concerned because the city has negotiated its way into 504 00:29:54.859 --> 00:29:58.440 guaranteeing that these Olympics are successful. We have to pick 505 00:29:58.500 --> 00:30:04.049 up the tab for any cost overruns or any lost revenue. 506 00:30:04.950 --> 00:30:08.450 And that can be enormous. But I'm also concerned because 507 00:30:08.509 --> 00:30:12.210 people are planning now whether they're going to come to 508 00:30:12.269 --> 00:30:15.609 Los Angeles for the Olympics. I'm talking about the international travelers. 509 00:30:16.109 --> 00:30:16.589 Right, right. 510 00:30:17.849 --> 00:30:20.049 Now is the time that the city should have its 511 00:30:20.109 --> 00:30:24.150 best foot forward. Now is the time that our hospitality 512 00:30:25.190 --> 00:30:31.269 industry should be, you know, popular. Hotels, restaurants, businesses. I 513 00:30:31.309 --> 00:30:34.769 heard Tracy talk about some success on her side of 514 00:30:34.809 --> 00:30:38.150 town

with some new restaurants and businesses opening. But there 515 00:30:38.170 --> 00:30:41.930 are many other places across our city, downtown in particular, 516 00:30:41.970 --> 00:30:45.440 where that's not happening. In fact, we're losing iconic restaurants, 517 00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:48.619 it seems, by the day. These are legacy restaurants. 518 00:30:48.859 --> 00:30:49.319 Yeah, we are. 519 00:30:49.599 --> 00:30:54.119 Other places. So I'm worried about the success of these games. 520 00:30:55.400 --> 00:30:59.529 I think the crime problem, the homeless problem, threatens to 521 00:30:59.589 --> 00:31:02.309 keep people away. We didn't see a lot of travel 522 00:31:02.349 --> 00:31:06.210 to Los Angeles during FIFA events. Some of the bars 523 00:31:06.259 --> 00:31:10.480 did okay, but hotels didn't really see any uptick in business. 524 00:31:11.420 --> 00:31:14.319 And I'm concerned that that might happen during the Olympics 525 00:31:14.460 --> 00:31:18.440 if people are getting the message that this isn't a 526 00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:23.519 welcoming place, a safe place, or a vibrant place. But 527 00:31:23.660 --> 00:31:27.799 if we do it right... It will pay off for decades, 528 00:31:27.880 --> 00:31:30.940 just like the 84 Olympics. This isn't just a one 529 00:31:31.000 --> 00:31:34.849 month thing for Los Angeles. It is a once in 530 00:31:34.890 --> 00:31:39.450 a lifetime opportunity to promote this city for years to come. 531 00:31:40.029 --> 00:31:43.049 If people come here and have a great time, they'll 532 00:31:43.089 --> 00:31:45.369 come back over and over again. But more importantly, when 533 00:31:45.390 --> 00:31:47.230 they go home, they'll tell their friends, you got to 534 00:31:47.269 --> 00:31:50.269 go to Los Angeles. That's what we want to be. 535 00:31:50.309 --> 00:31:52.730 We want to put on some great games, great competition. 536 00:31:52.759 --> 00:31:56.670 And that's important. But for the city, it's much more 537 00:31:56.730 --> 00:32:00.400 important that we be seen as one of the greatest 538 00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:01.279 places on earth. 539 00:32:01.980 --> 00:32:04.039 Gosh, John, don't we just want to have fun again 540 00:32:04.079 --> 00:32:07.140 in this city? There's so many issues that we can't 541 00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:09.529 just go and have a good time because there's so 542 00:32:09.569 --> 00:32:12.069 much on our plate as a city. It's weighing heavy, 543 00:32:12.549 --> 00:32:15.170 you know, and we can change that with the right leadership. 544 00:32:15.230 --> 00:32:19.380 That absolutely can change. with the right leadership. People read 545 00:32:19.920 --> 00:32:24.480 about this. Look up on John McKinney's website. It's a 546 00:32:24.579 --> 00:32:27.630 very comprehensive website. I will say, I was telling my husband, 547 00:32:28.069 --> 00:32:30.569 for people who don't know, he hosts a very popular 548 00:32:32.180 --> 00:32:35.000 talk show in Los Angeles on KFI. In fact,

you 549 00:32:35.019 --> 00:32:38.269 were on yesterday. That was a terrific interview, I have 550 00:32:38.309 --> 00:32:40.309 to say. And you laid it out on his show, 551 00:32:40.369 --> 00:32:43.150 as you have mine, but also on your website. And 552 00:32:43.210 --> 00:32:47.549 it's truthful, easy to digest. You know, if you want 553 00:32:47.569 --> 00:32:50.069 more of the same, I don't know why, but if 554 00:32:50.089 --> 00:32:51.750 you really want to bring us back to a point 555 00:32:51.769 --> 00:32:54.130 of law and order and a good time here in 556 00:32:54.170 --> 00:32:57.089 Los Angeles, then take a look at John McKinney. So 557 00:32:57.150 --> 00:33:00.009 I appreciate you being here. Any parting words, anything you 558 00:33:00.029 --> 00:33:01.009 want to say to our audience? 559 00:33:01.579 --> 00:33:03.180 Well, I just want to thank you and thank your 560 00:33:03.240 --> 00:33:06.119 audience for taking time to listen to me today. Understand 561 00:33:06.460 --> 00:33:09.440 that while the mayor's race seems to be getting all 562 00:33:09.480 --> 00:33:13.140 the attention, the city attorney can be a very powerful 563 00:33:13.240 --> 00:33:17.309 check on any wayward mayor. The city attorney is kind 564 00:33:17.349 --> 00:33:20.230 of a backstop to make sure the city is always 565 00:33:20.410 --> 00:33:24.269 in compliance with the law. And look, to the extent 566 00:33:24.329 --> 00:33:28.369 that the mayor or any council member wants my advice 567 00:33:28.609 --> 00:33:31.230 more than just legal advice, I'm happy to give it. 568 00:33:31.940 --> 00:33:34.720 I'm not so sure that they'll all want to entertain it. 569 00:33:35.460 --> 00:33:40.170 But I'm a pretty level-headed person, not particularly political, not 570 00:33:40.250 --> 00:33:43.910 particularly ideological. I just want this city to work. And 571 00:33:43.930 --> 00:33:46.869 I don't care who gets the credit. I want the 572 00:33:46.890 --> 00:33:50.890 city attorney's office to be modernized. I want the workers 573 00:33:50.940 --> 00:33:54.759 to feel inspired there, raise morale, and do an excellent 574 00:33:54.799 --> 00:34:00.380 job for the city, quality legal services, and expeditious legal services. 575 00:34:00.420 --> 00:34:01.180 That's the goal. 576 00:34:01.880 --> 00:34:03.819 I mean, look at us, two kids out of New Jersey. 577 00:34:04.119 --> 00:34:06.740 How giddy were you to first come to Los Angeles, right? 578 00:34:06.900 --> 00:34:12.570 I know for me growing up in Jersey, I think, wow, L.A.? And, 579 00:34:12.610 --> 00:34:14.909 you know, a lot of that's turned around. Sometimes I'm 580 00:34:14.929 --> 00:34:18.980 looking at my relatives in Jersey and going, wow, New Jersey? 581 00:34:19.059 --> 00:34:24.389 Because things have really– I've fallen fast, but I know 582 00:34:24.409 --> 00:34:26.769 that we can be on an upswing. John McKinney, a 583 00:34:26.929 --> 00:34:31.530 Democrat running for Los Angeles city attorney. And I stress 584 00:34:31.630 --> 00:34:35.820 a Democrat running for Los Angeles city attorney. Please look 585 00:34:35.860 --> 00:34:38.079 him up, listen to our interviews, listen to everything he 586 00:34:38.119 --> 00:34:40.679 has to say and go hear him speak publicly. I'm 587 00:34:40.719 --> 00:34:42.980 sure that you have a, you know, where you're going 588 00:34:43.000 --> 00:34:44.610 to be next, right? On your website. 589 00:34:45.099 --> 00:34:48.380 Yes. And I'll be with Nathan Hoffman later today, too. 590 00:34:48.420 --> 00:34:52.019 So he's done a terrific job as well. Thank you 591 00:34:52.039 --> 00:34:53.679 so much for joining us and everybody. You could find 592 00:34:53.719 --> 00:34:57.539 my interview with John McKinney on YouTube. I think this 593 00:34:57.559 --> 00:35:00.000 just went out live also on Facebook. We'll put it there. 594 00:35:00.019 --> 00:35:01.840 We're going to run clips on Instagram. We're going to 595 00:35:01.860 --> 00:35:03.739 put them all over the place and just push this out, 596 00:35:03.780 --> 00:35:07.440 particularly before Election Day. We really have a great opportunity 597 00:35:07.480 --> 00:35:10.179 to turn this beautiful city of ours around. And like 598 00:35:10.219 --> 00:35:12.500 I said, have some fun again and not always have 599 00:35:12.539 --> 00:35:15.480 to look over our shoulder. That's important to me. because 600 00:35:15.639 --> 00:35:19.199 I've changed personally how I go about the city because 601 00:35:19.239 --> 00:35:21.409 of that. And there's so many of us who really 602 00:35:21.429 --> 00:35:23.289 would just like to get some law and order back 603 00:35:23.389 --> 00:35:27.889 that's sensible. So give John McKinney a look. I appreciate 604 00:35:27.909 --> 00:35:30.789 you being here. I really do. And tell everybody about 605 00:35:30.829 --> 00:35:34.250 our interview and tell them to look up the platform 606 00:35:34.469 --> 00:35:37.530 of John McKinney for LA City Attorney. Thank you everybody 607 00:35:37.550 --> 00:35:39.619 for joining us. I appreciate it. Please tell your friends 608 00:35:39.659 --> 00:35:40.539 and we'll see you next time. 609 00:35:40.659 --> 00:35:42.199 Bye-bye. All right. Bye-bye.