Full Transcript for Corey Nelson

with a wife, a growing family, some business ventures, 36 00:01:48.040 --> 00:01:52.079 and an incredible outlook on his NFL journey. Ladies and Gentlemen, 37 00:01:52.359 --> 00:01:53.599 Corey Nelson. 38 00:01:54.239 --> 00:01:59.359 Cut Traded Fired Retired podcast with Susie Wargen. 39 00:02:00.480 --> 00:02:01.159 How's it going. 40 00:02:01.280 --> 00:02:02.640 It's going good, real good. 41 00:02:02.640 --> 00:02:03.719 Good to have you in town. 42 00:02:04.120 --> 00:02:06.560 It's good to be back in you know, the beautiful Colorado, 43 00:02:06.959 --> 00:02:07.560 nice weather. 44 00:02:07.799 --> 00:02:10.599 You're hanging out these days in Texas, which is your 45 00:02:10.719 --> 00:02:12.599 place of birth. But you had a lot of exciting 46 00:02:12.639 --> 00:02:15.479 times here with the Broncos and then some not so 47 00:02:15.560 --> 00:02:18.000 exciting times with other teams, and we'll get to all that. 48 00:02:18.120 --> 00:02:21.199 But really a long career and I'm excited to chat 49 00:02:21.280 --> 00:02:23.800 about everything that you've gone through. So let's do start 50 00:02:23.840 --> 00:02:26.840 with your upbringing in Dallas and you go to Skyline 51 00:02:26.879 --> 00:02:30.240 High School. What other sports aside from football were you 52 00:02:30.319 --> 00:02:32.919 into and did you think you'd do something else besides football. 53 00:02:33.000 --> 00:02:36.280 That's a good question. So my dad and my granddad 54 00:02:36.520 --> 00:02:39.520 they created a basketball team right when I was like 55 00:02:39.560 --> 00:02:43.120 eight years old, and so that was initially like the 56 00:02:43.159 --> 00:02:46.080 first sport that I got into. They were the Pleasant 57 00:02:46.080 --> 00:02:48.639 Grove Raptors is what we were called, and we had 58 00:02:48.639 --> 00:02:51.159 a nice run. You know. We played for about ten 59 00:02:51.439 --> 00:02:52.599 to eleven years. 60 00:02:52.639 --> 00:02:52.960 Wow. 61 00:02:53.120 --> 00:02:56.479 Yeah. So during my time of playing basketball, I converted 62 00:02:56.520 --> 00:02:58.919 over to football and kind of was doing both of those, 63 00:02:58.960 --> 00:03:01.520 so like a dual athlete, did a little bit of 64 00:03:01.520 --> 00:03:04.879 baseball too. I have two brothers, one older, one younger, 65 00:03:04.919 --> 00:03:08.800 and we all played sports with each other, you know, 66 00:03:08.919 --> 00:03:12.400 during that time, and so before football became the main focus, 67 00:03:13.400 --> 00:03:15.039 basketball was the sport. 68 00:03:15.199 --> 00:03:16.560 What was your position in basketball? 69 00:03:16.680 --> 00:03:19.000 I played power forward, a little bit of center. I 70 00:03:19.000 --> 00:03:21.599 could jump really high during that time. Yeah, so I 71 00:03:21.759 --> 00:03:25.719 was jumping out the building at the gym and we 72 00:03:25.759 --> 00:03:28.680 won a couple of championships. It was a AAU team, 73 00:03:28.879 --> 00:03:32.120

you know. We would travel to San Antonio and it 74 00:03:32.199 --> 00:03:34.599 was really good during that time. And I remember I 75 00:03:34.639 --> 00:03:37.400 had to make a decision while I was at Skyline 76 00:03:37.400 --> 00:03:40.000 because I was doing basketball with my dad and my 77 00:03:40.039 --> 00:03:43.000 granddad's team and I was playing football for Skyline. And 78 00:03:43.120 --> 00:03:46.319 it got pretty serious my sophomore year when I got 79 00:03:46.360 --> 00:03:48.639 my first scholarship to Texas A and m. 80 00:03:49.000 --> 00:03:51.560 Right, your first scholarship as a sophomore as a sophomore. 81 00:03:51.639 --> 00:03:54.199 Yeah, yeah, I was shocked too. I couldn't believe it. 82 00:03:54.280 --> 00:03:57.560 But as a sophomore, I was on varsity. After my 83 00:03:57.599 --> 00:04:00.000 first game on junior varsity, they were like, all right, hey, 84 00:04:00.039 --> 00:04:01.599 we need you to come up. You know, a couple 85 00:04:01.599 --> 00:04:04.719 of guys are hurt, you know. And I moved up 86 00:04:05.120 --> 00:04:08.919 and played defensive end and that season I let the 87 00:04:08.919 --> 00:04:09.360 team in. 88 00:04:09.360 --> 00:04:11.759 Sacks as a sophomore and varsity. 89 00:04:11.479 --> 00:04:13.560 As a sophomore in varsity. Yeah yeah, let the team 90 00:04:13.560 --> 00:04:16.720 in sacks, and I had let the team in block 91 00:04:16.800 --> 00:04:20.480 field goals and punts, so I was really out there, 92 00:04:20.560 --> 00:04:20.720 you know. 93 00:04:20.920 --> 00:04:23.519 Oh yeah, and then you're playing club basketball on the 94 00:04:23.600 --> 00:04:26.120 side and they said, YEA, make a decision. 95 00:04:26.199 --> 00:04:29.079 Yeah yeah, because it started to get pretty serious, you know. 96 00:04:29.120 --> 00:04:31.199 And I was the only one out of my family 97 00:04:31.279 --> 00:04:34.759 to get a scholarship and to you know, graduate and 98 00:04:34.759 --> 00:04:37.000 get a degree and all of that. So I knew 99 00:04:37.000 --> 00:04:39.480 it was pretty important for me to focus on that 100 00:04:39.519 --> 00:04:41.000 and to make that possible. 101 00:04:41.120 --> 00:04:41.759 Absolutely. 102 00:04:41.839 --> 00:04:42.079 Yeah. 103 00:04:42.120 --> 00:04:44.279 So Texas A and M is your first one. Obviously 104 00:04:44.720 --> 00:04:47.040 you keep getting better. When do you switch to linebacker? 105 00:04:47.079 --> 00:04:48.879 You do that in high school, right, yep. 106 00:04:48.959 --> 00:04:52.319 So my sophomore year I was defensive end, and then 107 00:04:52.399 --> 00:04:56.040 after that my junior and senior year, I moved to linebacker. 108 00:04:56.199 --> 00:04:58.680 They had some seniors that was already playing, and those 109 00:04:58.720 --> 00:05:01.279 guys they went to Minnesota, so they played Division one 110 00:05:01.319 --> 00:05:02.519 ball in Minnesota. 111 00:05:02.240 --> 00:05:02.399 OK. 112 00:05:02.720 --> 00:05:06.399 Yeah, So I ended up feeling the roles that those 113 00:05:06.439 --> 00:05:08.920 linebackers had left, and did A. 114 00:05:08.959 --> 00:05:10.240 And M keep their scholarship with you? 115 00:05:10.279 --> 00:05:10.399 Did? 116 00:05:10.439 --> 00:05:12.160 They would they have taken you as an as an 117 00:05:12.199 --> 00:05:13.160 indoor a linebacker? 118 00:05:13.319 --> 00:05:17.240 Yeah, they loved me. That was so. The crazy thing 119 00:05:17.360 --> 00:05:20.639 is that was the actual team and the university that 120 00:05:20.680 --> 00:05:22.759 I was going to go to. I had committed to 121 00:05:22.800 --> 00:05:26.319 them the end of my junior year. I committed to them. Yeah, 122 00:05:26.360 --> 00:05:29.759 I saw a verbal commitment. And during that time of 123 00:05:29.800 --> 00:05:31.759 me playing linebacker and making plays, you know, I was 124 00:05:31.759 --> 00:05:37.079 getting scholarships from all over. I took about four official visits, 125 00:05:37.120 --> 00:05:40.600 you know. I went to Tennessee, Minnesota, Texas, A and M, 126 00:05:40.680 --> 00:05:42.079 and then Oklahoma. 127 00:05:41.839 --> 00:05:43.399 Was Oklahoma, the last one you went to. 128 00:05:43.759 --> 00:05:47.399 They were the second to last. Yeah. Yeah. The last 129 00:05:47.399 --> 00:05:49.800 one I had went to was A Tennessee and then 130 00:05:49.800 --> 00:05:51.600 I was supposed to go to USC. Well that was 131 00:05:51.600 --> 00:05:54.519 gonna be my last fifth official visit, but I was 132 00:05:54.600 --> 00:05:55.680 tired at that point. 133 00:05:56.279 --> 00:05:59.000 It's a lot. Those visits are tough, and each one 134 00:05:59.199 --> 00:06:02.279 is so dream different, I'm sure, because they all do 135 00:06:02.399 --> 00:06:04.519 different things to try and get you to love them. 136 00:06:04.600 --> 00:06:07.319 Yeah they do, yeah, yeah, And every every team was different, 137 00:06:07.399 --> 00:06:10.240 you know, and they shower you with gifts and food 138 00:06:10.519 --> 00:06:13.399 and comp your travel, you know, give you flights and stuff. 139 00:06:13.439 --> 00:06:15.600 So it was pretty cool to experience all of that. 140 00:06:15.680 --> 00:06:19.000 And I remember being committed to A and M. Still 141 00:06:19.040 --> 00:06:22.600 my senior year, and the day before signing day I 142 00:06:22.680 --> 00:06:25.199 chose OU. I had to call and tell them. 143 00:06:25.079 --> 00:06:27.399 What was it about OU that made you change your mind? 144 00:06:27.519 --> 00:06:30.199 I would say it was Britt Venable's He was the 145 00:06:30.240 --> 00:06:34.000 defensive coordinator at the time, and I just remember him 146 00:06:34.000 --> 00:06:36.600 talking to me and saying that he wanted to help 147 00:06:37.079 --> 00:06:40.519 grow me into the man that he knew I was 148 00:06:41.000 --> 00:06:43.279 to become the be, you know, and whether I was 149 00:06:43.319 --> 00:06:46.160 supposed to get my degree or go to the NFL 150 00:06:46.439 -->

00:06:48.360 or do both, he was going to be there the 151 00:06:48.399 --> 00:06:50.680 whole step of the way and guide me. And he 152 00:06:50.759 --> 00:06:53.319 made sure of that. And not only that when I 153 00:06:53.399 --> 00:06:56.639 was in high school, after I committed to owe you, 154 00:06:57.360 --> 00:07:00.240 once I de committed from Texas A and M, he 155 00:07:00.279 --> 00:07:02.759 called me every week. Every week, Yeah, he called me. 156 00:07:02.800 --> 00:07:04.959 And so that was like a big thing for me too, 157 00:07:05.160 --> 00:07:09.199 to really see him put his words into action, you know, 158 00:07:09.279 --> 00:07:10.319 and me to really see that. 159 00:07:10.360 --> 00:07:11.519 And so he wasted in you. 160 00:07:11.800 --> 00:07:13.800 He was so invested in me. Yeah, and I was 161 00:07:13.839 --> 00:07:16.439 grateful for that what made me ultimately choose a decision. 162 00:07:16.839 --> 00:07:20.120 Texas A and M had a linebacker coach that had retired, 163 00:07:20.839 --> 00:07:22.879 so they didn't have a linebacker coach at the time 164 00:07:23.399 --> 00:07:26.839 while I was committed to them. Before signing day, the 165 00:07:26.879 --> 00:07:30.120 linebacker coach retired, and I knew, like, okay, I got 166 00:07:30.120 --> 00:07:31.399 to make a decision because. 167 00:07:31.439 --> 00:07:33.079 You don't know who's going to be coaching you right right, 168 00:07:33.160 --> 00:07:34.560 right for your position. 169 00:07:34.279 --> 00:07:36.560 My position. Yeah, and so all of this was going 170 00:07:36.600 --> 00:07:37.519 on in high school. 171 00:07:37.920 --> 00:07:39.759 How did they take it? That's a tough call for 172 00:07:39.839 --> 00:07:42.160 you to make as a seventeen eighteen year old. 173 00:07:42.319 --> 00:07:45.160 It was so hard. Yeah. I was so stressed out 174 00:07:45.839 --> 00:07:47.680 and my parents they wanted me to make the best 175 00:07:47.680 --> 00:07:50.079 decision possible. You know. I was talking to my coaches 176 00:07:50.120 --> 00:07:53.279 that skyline. I was even talking to my counselor. I 177 00:07:53.279 --> 00:07:55.600 had one counselor. Come to find out, she was an 178 00:07:55.600 --> 00:07:59.959 OU fan, so going yeah, yeah, so she was pretty 179 00:08:00.160 --> 00:08:04.560 vice and that, but her advice and everything that that 180 00:08:04.600 --> 00:08:07.800 she helped me with change the trajectory of everything, you know, 181 00:08:07.839 --> 00:08:11.639 on top of coach vulnerables, and so ended up choosing OU. 182 00:08:11.959 --> 00:08:13.879 You started playing as a true freshman. 183 00:08:13.639 --> 00:08:16.199 Yep, yep. And then that was you know, coach Venerables, 184 00:08:17.240 --> 00:08:17.920 that was his thing. 185 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:19.759 Did you tell you you do that you probably play 186 00:08:19.800 --> 00:08:20.519 as a true freshman? 187 00:08:20.639 --> 00:08:22.120 Yeah? He told me, Yeah, he said, if you can 188 00:08:22.120 --> 00:08:25.160 master the playbook. If you can understand the defense, I'm 189 00:08:25.160 --> 00:08:27.959 gonna play you. I don't discriminate on you know, if 190 00:08:27.959 --> 00:08:29.959 a guy is young and he's coming in, if you 191 00:08:30.040 --> 00:08:31.600 got talent and you can play it, and I'm gonna 192 00:08:31.600 --> 00:08:32.000 play you. 193 00:08:32.039 --> 00:08:34.279 Oh that's great. That's what every guy wants to hear. 194 00:08:34.399 --> 00:08:36.919 Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So I played as a 195 00:08:37.039 --> 00:08:40.840 true freshman and did special teams, got in on defense. 196 00:08:40.879 --> 00:08:42.679 You know, may plays on defense and. 197 00:08:43.360 --> 00:08:45.840 Special teams is the key. Yeah, and you did that 198 00:08:45.919 --> 00:08:48.759 a lot throughout your career, didn't you. It's wherever you 199 00:08:48.799 --> 00:08:50.519 can play. And the guys that feel like they're too 200 00:08:50.519 --> 00:08:52.840 good for special teams, you're shooting yourself in the foot. 201 00:08:52.919 --> 00:08:55.000 Yeah, yeah, you are, you know, and I've seen guys 202 00:08:55.039 --> 00:08:56.960 you know, kind of shoot themselves in the foot with that. 203 00:08:57.159 --> 00:09:00.440 But I learned that, you know, you're here for the team, 204 00:09:00.720 --> 00:09:02.159 and you got to, you know, give your all for 205 00:09:02.279 --> 00:09:04.399 the team. And not only that, you know, you got 206 00:09:04.440 --> 00:09:05.879 to be a student athlete as well. 207 00:09:06.159 --> 00:09:08.679 Oh, you were great with academics too, your sophomore year, 208 00:09:08.720 --> 00:09:13.000 your academic All Big Twelve, your honorable mention athletically in 209 00:09:13.039 --> 00:09:14.840 the Big Twelve your sophomore year. But I noticed that 210 00:09:14.919 --> 00:09:17.559 the academic thing kept coming up throughout your time at 211 00:09:17.559 --> 00:09:17.879 O years. 212 00:09:17.960 --> 00:09:20.679 Yeah, yeah, it was important for me, you know. I 213 00:09:20.720 --> 00:09:24.159 remember my mom telling me, you focus more on your 214 00:09:24.200 --> 00:09:26.720 school because football will be there, you know, as long 215 00:09:26.759 --> 00:09:29.519 as you're passing your classes. I stuck to that, you know, 216 00:09:29.519 --> 00:09:31.360 And I did that, and I knew that, Yeah, I 217 00:09:31.440 --> 00:09:34.279 knew that I wanted to have a degree once I 218 00:09:34.320 --> 00:09:36.360 was done playing. The crazy thing is when I was 219 00:09:36.360 --> 00:09:38.840 playing football at oh You, I didn't think I was 220 00:09:38.879 --> 00:09:41.559 going to go into the NFL. Really, yeah, that wasn't 221 00:09:41.559 --> 00:09:44.639 a focus of minds. It really became a focus of 222 00:09:44.679 --> 00:09:47.960 mine my senior year, after I tour my peck, I 223 00:09:48.039 --> 00:09:50.840 kind of realized, Okay, what decisions do I need to make, 224

00:09:50.960 --> 00:09:53.240 you know, to get to where I want to go 225 00:09:53.279 --> 00:09:55.559 in life. And I knew that my degree was something 226 00:09:55.600 --> 00:09:57.960 that I was going to accomplish and get, you know. 227 00:09:58.000 --> 00:09:59.360 And I did that and saw. 228 00:09:59.200 --> 00:10:01.120 That you didn't four years since you didn't have a 229 00:10:01.120 --> 00:10:02.279 red shirt year, didn't you. 230 00:10:02.399 --> 00:10:04.480 Yeah I did. Yeah, I did it in four years 231 00:10:04.559 --> 00:10:06.840 in football playing football, Yeah, all on time. 232 00:10:06.879 --> 00:10:09.120 That's impressive, Corey, it really is. There's not a lot 233 00:10:09.120 --> 00:10:10.919 of guys that play football and get their degree in 234 00:10:10.960 --> 00:10:13.759 four years at a D one school, D one school. 235 00:10:13.840 --> 00:10:17.080 Yeah, Yeah, it was pretty difficult, but I told myself, 236 00:10:17.120 --> 00:10:19.120 you know, I really want to make this happen so 237 00:10:19.159 --> 00:10:22.919 that I can become an inspiration for others and become 238 00:10:22.919 --> 00:10:25.559 an inspiration for my family. Sure, you know, so being 239 00:10:25.600 --> 00:10:27.799 the first one to get my degree, thatt, that was 240 00:10:27.799 --> 00:10:31.000 pretty important to me, absolutely when I wanted to do that. 241 00:10:31.240 --> 00:10:33.120 Let's talk about your dep tear with your pack, because 242 00:10:33.120 --> 00:10:35.360 that came in October of your senior year. Before that, 243 00:10:35.919 --> 00:10:38.879 you're killing it in games. I mean, you're tackling, you're 244 00:10:38.960 --> 00:10:41.200 you're past defending, You're doing all kinds of things, and 245 00:10:41.240 --> 00:10:43.200 then in October you tear your pack and you're done 246 00:10:43.200 --> 00:10:43.759 for the season. 247 00:10:44.000 --> 00:10:47.879 Yeah, that was a tough moment for me. I remember 248 00:10:47.919 --> 00:10:50.879 crying when it all went down, you know, because the 249 00:10:50.960 --> 00:10:53.639 year was going so good and then boom out of 250 00:10:53.639 --> 00:10:56.879 nowhere and I had no idea, you know, during that time, 251 00:10:56.919 --> 00:10:58.279 like I told you, I didn't know if I was 252 00:10:58.320 --> 00:11:00.000 going to be in the NFL, if that was even 253 00:11:00.120 --> 00:11:03.000 something that was even possible. You know, it almost felt 254 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:05.159 like a like a pipe dream almost, you know, to 255 00:11:05.200 --> 00:11:07.159 be able to make it. Yeah, So during that time, 256 00:11:07.240 --> 00:11:10.399 when I toured, I remember the trainers telling me, you 257 00:11:10.399 --> 00:11:13.360 know how you tore your pictorial muscle, You're going to 258 00:11:13.399 --> 00:11:16.039 be out for the season. In that moment, I had 259 00:11:16.080 --> 00:11:18.480 to make a decision on like what I wanted to 260 00:11:18.519 --> 00:11:21.600 do with

my life, and so I went into overdrive academically. 261 00:11:21.639 --> 00:11:23.720 That's how I was able to get it. Yeah, okay, 262 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:26.519 in four years. I kind of loaded up on my 263 00:11:26.600 --> 00:11:30.000 classes during that time and was able to get my degree. 264 00:11:30.120 --> 00:11:31.799 Because you have to have surgery or does it heal 265 00:11:31.840 --> 00:11:32.320 on its own. 266 00:11:32.519 --> 00:11:34.320 So they asked me what I wanted to do, and 267 00:11:34.440 --> 00:11:36.679 I wanted to get the surgery because I knew, you know, 268 00:11:36.799 --> 00:11:39.159 I want to get my muscle repaired. If I'm out 269 00:11:39.200 --> 00:11:42.559 for the season, I might as well just yeah, why not? Yeah? 270 00:11:42.600 --> 00:11:45.039 And so I went all the way with it, got 271 00:11:45.039 --> 00:11:47.200 the surgery, and I'm glad I did it. You know, 272 00:11:47.240 --> 00:11:48.919 I'm glad I got the surgery because I was able 273 00:11:48.919 --> 00:11:53.320 to come back a lot stronger going into the NFL 274 00:11:53.440 --> 00:11:55.399 Draft and going into. 275 00:11:56.080 --> 00:11:57.600 You still able to have a pro daate. Did it 276 00:11:57.679 --> 00:11:58.720 heal up by that time? 277 00:11:58.799 --> 00:11:59.960 You had to be healed up by that time. 278 00:12:00.159 --> 00:12:02.840 Yeah, But no Senior Bowl or Hula Bowl or anything 279 00:12:02.879 --> 00:12:04.519 in West. Okay, you can't do any of that. 280 00:12:04.559 --> 00:12:05.399 You didn't do any of that. 281 00:12:05.600 --> 00:12:07.960 Yeah, Yeah, that's a great time for scouts to see you. 282 00:12:08.519 --> 00:12:10.600 Yep. And so, like I said, you know, I kind 283 00:12:10.639 --> 00:12:13.480 of felt defeated in a sense when it came to 284 00:12:13.519 --> 00:12:16.759 the NFL. I didn't even think that that was even possible, 285 00:12:16.919 --> 00:12:19.120 you know, because I'm coming off of an injury. But 286 00:12:19.200 --> 00:12:22.200 I was fortunate enough to find an agent. Shout out 287 00:12:22.200 --> 00:12:25.440 to Kelly Masters who believed in me, and you know, 288 00:12:25.480 --> 00:12:27.080 she still believes in me to this day. It's a 289 00:12:27.159 --> 00:12:30.600 phenomenal woman, a phenomenal agent out in Oklahoma. Yeah, and 290 00:12:30.840 --> 00:12:32.600 took a shot on me. You know, I was hurt 291 00:12:32.639 --> 00:12:35.519 at the time when she decided to sign me. I 292 00:12:35.519 --> 00:12:39.200 had other players and other friends that vouch for me 293 00:12:39.279 --> 00:12:41.440 that Kelly Masters knew, you know, they say, oh, no, 294 00:12:41.519 --> 00:12:43.639 he's a great player, he's a great guy. You should 295 00:12:43.679 --> 00:12:46.159 definitely give him a chance and see where things go 296 00:12:46.200 --> 00:12:47.440 because he has a lot of potential. 297 00:12:47.559 --> 00:12:49.759 And she's an awesome agent too. She's I mean, she 298 00:12:49.879 --> 00:12:52.519 is a powerhouse. There's very few female agents out there. 299 00:12:52.519 --> 00:12:54.639 She may be I mean one of just a few. 300 00:12:54.720 --> 00:12:56.600 Yeah, she's one of just a few. Yeah, I would 301 00:12:56.600 --> 00:13:00.480 say a handful. She loves to take a shot guys 302 00:13:00.519 --> 00:13:05.200 that people may overlook from time to time, you know, 303 00:13:05.720 --> 00:13:08.360 And I was grateful for the opportunity. I remember signing 304 00:13:08.399 --> 00:13:12.639 the papers in New Orleans. We were playing Alabama and 305 00:13:12.720 --> 00:13:16.399 the sugar Ball during that time. It was twenty fourteen, 306 00:13:17.159 --> 00:13:19.320 and you know, I was still in rehab and recovery 307 00:13:19.399 --> 00:13:22.679 and stuff, and yeah, signed the papers. Ended up flying 308 00:13:22.720 --> 00:13:26.639 out to Florida to do my training, and I was 309 00:13:26.679 --> 00:13:28.919 all in. I was focused at that at that point 310 00:13:28.960 --> 00:13:31.799 because I kind of realized, Okay, here's hope, you know, 311 00:13:32.000 --> 00:13:33.960 maybe there's a chance, you know, I can get into 312 00:13:34.000 --> 00:13:37.960 the NFL. Trained in Florida, got back to Oklahoma, get 313 00:13:38.000 --> 00:13:40.960 ready for the pro day, crushed my Pro day, did 314 00:13:41.000 --> 00:13:43.320 really good. The scouts wanted to see if I could 315 00:13:43.360 --> 00:13:45.320 bench press because of my peck. I think I did 316 00:13:46.480 --> 00:13:48.440 twenty eight reps or twenty nine reps something like that. 317 00:13:48.480 --> 00:13:50.799 But at that time, that was big. Yeah, that was 318 00:13:50.960 --> 00:13:53.440 that was pretty big for me, you know, to come 319 00:13:53.480 --> 00:13:56.600 back off of my injury. Was grateful and blessed to 320 00:13:56.600 --> 00:13:58.919 be able to get drafted, you know, to the Broncos, 321 00:13:58.919 --> 00:13:59.879 and that was a crazy time. 322 00:14:00.200 --> 00:14:02.399 I remember how the draft go you're drafted in the 323 00:14:02.399 --> 00:14:05.799 seventh round, so you're not not first day, second day, 324 00:14:06.120 --> 00:14:06.919 and in that last. 325 00:14:06.840 --> 00:14:09.919 Round, the last round. Yeah. So during that time, I 326 00:14:09.960 --> 00:14:12.519 remember I was supposed to go to the Patriots. I 327 00:14:12.559 --> 00:14:14.480 was gonna, yeah, signed to them as a free agent. 328 00:14:14.879 --> 00:14:16.600 Oh, because they didn't think you were going to be drafted. 329 00:14:16.639 --> 00:14:18.000 No, they didn't think I was going to be drafted. 330 00:14:18.159 --> 00:14:19.080 So we was like all. 331 00:14:19.039 --> 00:14:21.120 Right, well well. 332 00:14:20.519 --> 00:14:25.519 Yeah, so you know that, we were talking and she said, 333 00:14:25.519 --> 00:14:27.480 you know, well we'll sign with the Patriots's who we're 334 00:14:27.480 --> 00:14:30.159 going to go with. And then not too long after

that, 335 00:14:30.279 --> 00:14:33.799 we get a call from the Broncos. Elway was talking 336 00:14:34.240 --> 00:14:37.159 and Kelly was like, well, he's going to the Patriots, 337 00:14:37.200 --> 00:14:39.039 So you guys are either going to draft him now 338 00:14:39.720 --> 00:14:42.799 or you're going to miss out an opportunity by Kelly. Yeah, 339 00:14:42.960 --> 00:14:45.960 it's such a good move. Yeah. Yeah. And so we're 340 00:14:46.000 --> 00:14:48.480 sitting there in Kelly's house, you know, we have food 341 00:14:48.519 --> 00:14:51.399 and stuff, and I get a call and it was 342 00:14:51.440 --> 00:14:54.440 from the Broncos. And I remember talking to l Way. 343 00:14:55.039 --> 00:14:57.080 Did you have to talk to fox YEP? Yeah, talk 344 00:14:57.159 --> 00:15:00.120 to Foxy? And uh, Coach fox was excited, you know, 345 00:15:00.200 --> 00:15:01.799 they always excited, and they were like, well, we're going 346 00:15:01.840 --> 00:15:04.080 to draft you, so just sit tight, you know, we're 347 00:15:04.080 --> 00:15:05.519 going to make sure that we get this done. And 348 00:15:05.639 --> 00:15:07.840 I remember seeing my name on the screen and my 349 00:15:07.879 --> 00:15:10.120 parents with them. They were all screaming in the background, 350 00:15:10.120 --> 00:15:11.240 you know, I'm on the phone, so I had to 351 00:15:11.279 --> 00:15:13.879 go into the other room. Yeah, that was a crazy time. 352 00:15:13.919 --> 00:15:17.240 I was like, Wow, I can't believe that this actually happened. 353 00:15:17.399 --> 00:15:20.759 It's crazy because in that moment it really hit me 354 00:15:21.000 --> 00:15:23.679 and it was like, I'm in the NFL. I did it, 355 00:15:23.720 --> 00:15:26.039 you know. I was able to do this with an injury, 356 00:15:26.440 --> 00:15:28.200 you know, And it kind of just shows you that 357 00:15:28.600 --> 00:15:30.879 there's always a silver lining in life as long as 358 00:15:30.919 --> 00:15:33.879 you just continue to just stay focused and put your 359 00:15:33.919 --> 00:15:35.960 head down and do what you need to do. 360 00:15:36.200 --> 00:15:38.159 Hard work and a good attitude can get you a 361 00:15:38.200 --> 00:15:38.799 lot of places. 362 00:15:38.799 --> 00:15:41.200 Oh man, Yeah, places that you you never thought you 363 00:15:41.240 --> 00:15:44.559 would be in, exactly. Yeah. And so I was grateful 364 00:15:44.600 --> 00:15:47.879 for that, that opportunity, you know, and ended up coming 365 00:15:47.919 --> 00:15:51.080 out here to this amazing city, you know, amazing fans, 366 00:15:51.440 --> 00:15:52.080 and you come. 367 00:15:51.919 --> 00:15:53.799 Into a pretty good defense when you get here. In 368 00:15:53.840 --> 00:15:55.320 twenty fourteen, yeah, I did. 369 00:15:55.440 --> 00:15:57.519 That was right around the time. I think before that 370 00:15:57.600 --> 00:15:59.320 they went to the Super Bowl. 371 00:15:59.279 --> 00:16:01.519 Went to the Super Bowl, lost to Seattle, Yes, in 372 00:16:01.600 --> 00:16:02.480 Super Bowl forty eight. 373 00:16:02.639 --> 00:16:05.519 Yeah, yeah, and it was a big thing. You know, 374 00:16:05.519 --> 00:16:06.799 they had high expectations. 375 00:16:07.200 --> 00:16:09.039 Everybody thought they were going to win that Super Bowl. 376 00:16:09.159 --> 00:16:10.639 Yeah, they did, and it was. 377 00:16:10.600 --> 00:16:13.159 Just bad from the get go. Peyton started off bad 378 00:16:13.159 --> 00:16:14.200 and it never got better. 379 00:16:14.120 --> 00:16:16.360 Never got better. Yeah, you have special teams struggled to 380 00:16:17.320 --> 00:16:20.240 just remember that, and coming into it, I knew that 381 00:16:20.279 --> 00:16:23.080 they had high expectations and you know, high hopes for 382 00:16:23.159 --> 00:16:25.080 what the team can do because we were stacked with talent. 383 00:16:25.159 --> 00:16:27.679 I mean we had all the guys, you know, offensively 384 00:16:27.720 --> 00:16:32.480 and defensively with the Marys and Emanuel C. J Anderson, 385 00:16:33.480 --> 00:16:36.279 Ronnie Hillman you know, rest in peace to great man, 386 00:16:36.440 --> 00:16:40.320 you know, and even defensively with Danny Trevathan, Brendan Marshall. 387 00:16:41.080 --> 00:16:45.639 So many guys on that team. Yeah, and shout out 388 00:16:45.679 --> 00:16:46.919 to David Bruden, you know, he was one of the 389 00:16:46.960 --> 00:16:50.240 guys that I looked up to special teams wise. Oh yeah, yeah, 390 00:16:50.279 --> 00:16:53.840 because on special teams and as a rookie coming in, 391 00:16:54.120 --> 00:16:58.200 I remember the coaches telling us that if you want 392 00:16:58.240 --> 00:17:00.759 to make this team, especially of teams, is the way 393 00:17:00.759 --> 00:17:03.799 to go because we already have the guys on offense 394 00:17:03.799 --> 00:17:07.400 and defense. We got our team, got our team. Yeah, 395 00:17:07.759 --> 00:17:09.720 we got our team. So you got to land a 396 00:17:09.759 --> 00:17:13.079 spot on special teams. And I was grateful that. I 397 00:17:13.160 --> 00:17:14.920 was like, okay, well I got I got some experience 398 00:17:14.920 --> 00:17:17.119 in special teams. You know. I remember doing punt and ohu, 399 00:17:17.240 --> 00:17:19.119 and I remember running down on kickoff at oh you 400 00:17:19.359 --> 00:17:22.440 and you know, punk return. So I was all in 401 00:17:22.480 --> 00:17:24.799 with it, you know. And I was grateful because that 402 00:17:25.119 --> 00:17:27.279 actually kept me on the team. You know. It wasn't 403 00:17:27.279 --> 00:17:31.440 me playing defense. I actually wasn't that good coming in 404 00:17:31.519 --> 00:17:34.960 as a rookie. Really, yeah, I think so. Yeah, just 405 00:17:35.000 --> 00:17:35.799 based off of. 406 00:17:36.039 --> 00:17:38.200 You played in all sixteen games, Yeah I did. 407 00:17:38.279 --> 00:17:38.599 I did. 408 00:17:38.960 --> 00:17:41.240 Was that just special teams your first year you spent

409 00:17:41.319 --> 00:17:41.880 you played. 410 00:17:41.680 --> 00:17:44.279 More than just special let's play defense as well. Yeah. 411 00:17:44.279 --> 00:17:46.839 I got out there and played. Ok yeah, okay, okay, 412 00:17:47.279 --> 00:17:52.160 I'm just too hard on myself. Yeah, but yeah, so 413 00:17:52.559 --> 00:17:54.640 stuck with it, you know, and man, it was just 414 00:17:54.680 --> 00:17:56.480 an amazing journey played six years. 415 00:17:56.759 --> 00:17:59.960 Yeah, after your rookie season, John Fox gets let go. Yeah, 416 00:18:00.079 --> 00:18:02.599 Gary Kubiak, come, Yeah, what's that like going through a 417 00:18:02.640 --> 00:18:04.160 coaching change at the NFL level? 418 00:18:04.319 --> 00:18:06.799 I was like, oh wow, all the coaches left, you. 419 00:18:06.720 --> 00:18:10.279 Knowlcome to the business, right, yeah, you know, it hit me, hit. 420 00:18:10.160 --> 00:18:12.759 Me like this is this is a real business and 421 00:18:12.960 --> 00:18:15.759 they're not playing no games, you know, And so I 422 00:18:15.839 --> 00:18:18.559 kicked it in the overdrive. My second year, you know, 423 00:18:18.680 --> 00:18:20.480 things started to click and I knew he was going 424 00:18:20.559 --> 00:18:22.599 to be a special team that year because we had 425 00:18:22.640 --> 00:18:26.039 so many guys competing for spots linebacker wise. I know, 426 00:18:26.079 --> 00:18:31.079 we had Steve Johnson, Lemine Borrow, so many guys on 427 00:18:31.119 --> 00:18:33.599 our team and our roster at that time, and they 428 00:18:33.599 --> 00:18:35.440 were trying to figure out, you know, who all was 429 00:18:35.480 --> 00:18:38.119 going to be the guys for this team because Gary 430 00:18:38.200 --> 00:18:40.240 Kubiak brought in a whole new staff, you know, and 431 00:18:40.279 --> 00:18:42.160 he said, I want god to compete and we want 432 00:18:42.200 --> 00:18:44.559 to see who gonna who's gonna make the team. During 433 00:18:44.559 --> 00:18:47.480 that moment, you know, I bought into what the coaches wanted. 434 00:18:47.599 --> 00:18:52.079 And even after that, after Gary Kubiak left and Vance 435 00:18:52.160 --> 00:18:55.680 Joseph came in, I kind of got the hang of 436 00:18:55.720 --> 00:18:57.880 the business. You know, I kind of knew like, okay, 437 00:18:57.880 --> 00:19:00.960 this is how it is. I just roll with the punches. 438 00:19:01.000 --> 00:19:03.759 You know. Each coach had their own different philosophies, and 439 00:19:03.960 --> 00:19:07.039 if you're able to adapt and adjust to what they 440 00:19:07.240 --> 00:19:10.119 want and what they want the team to become, you know, 441 00:19:10.440 --> 00:19:13.160 you'll be a great athlete and a great person. 442 00:19:13.319 --> 00:19:17.359 Yeah, and you're fortunate to have player coaches. I think 443 00:19:17.400 --> 00:19:20.920 between John Fox, Koob's and VJ those guys, I think, 444 00:19:20.960 --> 00:19:23.880 are you know your prototypical player coaches where they're not 445 00:19:23.920 --> 00:19:27.000 the rough, gruff Bill Parcells kind of a coach, which 446 00:19:27.000 --> 00:19:29.799 is good. I think some players need the rough and 447 00:19:29.839 --> 00:19:30.519 tough guy. 448 00:19:30.640 --> 00:19:32.680 Right right, Some players do. Yeah, And I was one 449 00:19:32.720 --> 00:19:35.680 of the guys. I enjoy the players coach. That was 450 00:19:35.720 --> 00:19:38.839 a coach that I prefer to have. Coach Vunerables was 451 00:19:38.839 --> 00:19:40.839 a players coach at oh you you know, he was 452 00:19:40.880 --> 00:19:43.319 there for the players. And Bob Stoops was as well. 453 00:19:43.359 --> 00:19:47.119 And those are the type of coaches that I gravitated 454 00:19:47.160 --> 00:19:49.240 to the most, you know. So I was grateful to 455 00:19:49.240 --> 00:19:51.359 be in that good space, you know. 456 00:19:51.440 --> 00:19:56.200 Mister Josh McDaniels. Years, Yeah, fortunate. 457 00:19:56.720 --> 00:19:57.720 I was so fortunate. 458 00:19:57.839 --> 00:20:00.240 Yeah. So let's go through your your years. So your 459 00:20:00.279 --> 00:20:02.359 second year, you go to the Super Bowl and win 460 00:20:02.400 --> 00:20:06.160 Super Bowl fifty Yeah, big time, I mean crazy right. 461 00:20:06.119 --> 00:20:07.960 Yeah yeah, Yeah, And you. 462 00:20:07.920 --> 00:20:09.960 Get a tackle you've played and you had to tackle 463 00:20:10.119 --> 00:20:11.599 in Super Bowl fifty Yeah, I had. 464 00:20:11.519 --> 00:20:12.359 Like four tackles. 465 00:20:12.359 --> 00:20:12.880 Oh yeah, four. 466 00:20:13.079 --> 00:20:14.079 Yeah, I had one on. 467 00:20:14.079 --> 00:20:16.079 Defense and that used to update your stats. 468 00:20:16.119 --> 00:20:18.720 Yeah, three on special teams. Yeah, it's a special team. 469 00:20:18.839 --> 00:20:20.480 So one defensive town Yeah, got it. 470 00:20:20.559 --> 00:20:22.880 Okay, so that's where that came from. I don't think 471 00:20:22.920 --> 00:20:24.279 they count special team tackles. 472 00:20:24.319 --> 00:20:26.200 I don't, you know, what they should, And sometimes they 473 00:20:26.200 --> 00:20:27.680 get left off and I'm like, wait, where'd all these 474 00:20:27.680 --> 00:20:29.720 other tackles come in? Oh, they're from special teams. It's 475 00:20:29.720 --> 00:20:32.359 like it's a huge part of the game that doesn't 476 00:20:32.359 --> 00:20:34.839 get statistically recorded very well. Sometimes. 477 00:20:34.880 --> 00:20:36.920 No, I agree, Yeah, I agree. Yeah, And I feel like, 478 00:20:37.000 --> 00:20:39.599 you know, sometimes the cameraman may miss it, you know 479 00:20:39.640 --> 00:20:40.759 when they're recording it. 480 00:20:41.039 --> 00:20:43.960 You know, they it's not as fun as what happens 481 00:20:44.039 --> 00:20:46.839 during the game apparently, but it can be huge and 482 00:20:47.400 --> 00:20:50.759 so key to ball placement and where you start a drive. 483 00:20:51.039 --> 00:20:52.480 Oh

absolutely, yeah. Yeah. 484 00:20:52.480 --> 00:20:54.319 But what was it like when in the Super Bowl. 485 00:20:56.079 --> 00:20:57.559 I was there that day and it was as a 486 00:20:57.559 --> 00:21:00.519 Broncos fan and someone who's covered the team forever. It 487 00:21:00.559 --> 00:21:01.200 was unbelievable. 488 00:21:01.279 --> 00:21:04.160 Yeah, unbelievable. It's one of those situations where like I 489 00:21:04.200 --> 00:21:06.880 would compare it to hitting the lottery. You know, somebody 490 00:21:06.920 --> 00:21:09.559 were to win the lottery. It's like one of those things, 491 00:21:09.559 --> 00:21:11.920 you know, once in a lifetime opportunity. Because there are 492 00:21:11.920 --> 00:21:14.279 so many great football players in the NFL, you know, 493 00:21:14.720 --> 00:21:17.880 guys that are Hall of famers that haven't even won 494 00:21:17.880 --> 00:21:20.480 a Super Bowl, you know, so it's to be able 495 00:21:20.519 --> 00:21:22.960 to be a part of something that's so rare and 496 00:21:23.000 --> 00:21:27.640 so special. That was something that I couldn't have never imagine. 497 00:21:27.680 --> 00:21:30.799 I've won a couple of Big twelve championships, no championships 498 00:21:30.799 --> 00:21:35.240 in high school. So this was like the biggest accomplishment 499 00:21:35.240 --> 00:21:36.920 and accolade I could ever win, you know. 500 00:21:37.079 --> 00:21:40.160 And it's complete with confetti too, oh so. 501 00:21:40.240 --> 00:21:44.240 Much confetti everywhere everywhere, you know. I just remember winning it. 502 00:21:45.079 --> 00:21:47.400 I had told one of the trainers to go keep 503 00:21:47.440 --> 00:21:50.440 my phone, go get my phone, you know, and I 504 00:21:50.480 --> 00:21:53.079 was just yelling on my phone, screaming of joy. I 505 00:21:53.079 --> 00:21:54.640 couldn't believe it, you know. It was one of those 506 00:21:54.640 --> 00:21:57.480 things like, Wow, this really happened. And I can also 507 00:21:57.559 --> 00:21:59.599 compare it to if you were to have a kid 508 00:21:59.759 --> 00:22:02.599 and the kids born. It's that kind of dead, that 509 00:22:02.680 --> 00:22:05.039 kind of debt Yeah, it's that kind of special moment. 510 00:22:05.119 --> 00:22:08.920 Absolutely, that is great. So your twenty fifteen season, you 511 00:22:09.000 --> 00:22:11.599 have ten tackles, probably have more than that. That was probably 512 00:22:11.640 --> 00:22:14.400 just defense, but not the sixty seven you get the 513 00:22:14.440 --> 00:22:16.839 next year, Like the next year you really step up 514 00:22:16.880 --> 00:22:19.119 with this team and become a big presence. 515 00:22:19.279 --> 00:22:21.519 Yeah. So I kind of had to, you know, during 516 00:22:21.519 --> 00:22:24.200 that time, Brandon Marshall and Danny they were kind of 517 00:22:24.240 --> 00:22:26.759 facing a couple of injuries. They were dinged up, you know, 518 00:22:27.559 --> 00:22:30.000 they were still playing, but they were hurt a little bit, 519 00:22:30.119 --> 00:22:32.960 you know, and so they needed some help. And I 520 00:22:33.000 --> 00:22:33.440 was the guy. 521 00:22:33.559 --> 00:22:36.440 You know, John Fox would say, yeah. 522 00:22:36.359 --> 00:22:39.119 And I just learned, you know, all the positions at 523 00:22:39.160 --> 00:22:41.680 linebacker because I was like, all right, let's do it, 524 00:22:41.799 --> 00:22:44.440 you know. And in me learning all those positions, I 525 00:22:44.480 --> 00:22:47.279 was able to play every position that they needed me 526 00:22:47.359 --> 00:22:50.079 to feel on top of special teams, you know, And 527 00:22:50.119 --> 00:22:51.720 that's that's a tough thing. How hard. 528 00:22:51.799 --> 00:22:54.079 I was just gonna say, that's gotta be hard because 529 00:22:54.240 --> 00:22:57.119 there's so much to learn, and every coach is different. 530 00:22:57.160 --> 00:23:00.200 And VJ, I mean he's a defensive guy, so we 531 00:23:00.240 --> 00:23:03.880 probably has even more defensive schemes in there than normal. Maybe. 532 00:23:03.960 --> 00:23:05.640 Yeah, he did, you know, a lot of a lot 533 00:23:05.640 --> 00:23:08.440 of pressures on rushes that we that we was working on, 534 00:23:08.640 --> 00:23:11.119 which was really good, you know, and a lot of 535 00:23:11.240 --> 00:23:13.480 man coverage. You know. He wanted guys that can play 536 00:23:13.480 --> 00:23:16.680 man because he wanted to rush and be able to 537 00:23:16.680 --> 00:23:18.920 get to the quarterback. You know, with the Marcus where 538 00:23:19.079 --> 00:23:23.599 and Shane ray Von Miller. Did you have s Yep? 539 00:23:23.640 --> 00:23:26.319 We had Shack, yep, kill Barrett. You know, we had 540 00:23:26.319 --> 00:23:29.839 a whole nice squad of rushers. And so I remember 541 00:23:29.920 --> 00:23:32.200 Vance wanting us to learn how to play man, and 542 00:23:32.240 --> 00:23:33.720 that was one of the biggest things that I was 543 00:23:33.759 --> 00:23:35.880 good at playing man and man on running backs and 544 00:23:35.920 --> 00:23:38.759 tight ends and sometimes even wide receivers. You know, I'll 545 00:23:38.759 --> 00:23:41.319 get out there and cover them. And being a part 546 00:23:41.359 --> 00:23:44.079 of that and buying in helped me a lot, and 547 00:23:44.079 --> 00:23:46.359 it catapulted me to be able to you know, rev 548 00:23:46.480 --> 00:23:49.319 up my game and to be good. I was grateful 549 00:23:49.319 --> 00:23:51.599 for the opportunity, you know, during those times I was, 550 00:23:51.640 --> 00:23:54.480 I was a captain most of those games. You know, 551 00:23:54.599 --> 00:23:57.079 guys looked up to me in that aspect because I 552 00:23:57.240 --> 00:23:58.960 handled business. Yeah, I did what I needed. 553 00:23:59.039 --> 00:24:00.680 Did you call the place? Did you the green dots? Oh? 554 00:24:00.720 --> 00:24:03.319 Yeah, I had the green die. Yeah, had the green died. 555 00:24:03.359 -->

00:24:05.480 I caught plays for about two years. 556 00:24:05.680 --> 00:24:08.720 That's a cool position to be in, and underrated people 557 00:24:09.000 --> 00:24:12.240 don't understand how important that is, I think sometimes. Yeah, 558 00:24:12.279 --> 00:24:14.039 you know, it's not like anybody really sees unless you're 559 00:24:14.039 --> 00:24:15.400 standing there. You don't see who has the green dot 560 00:24:15.480 --> 00:24:17.599 and you can tell who's talking in the huddle. But 561 00:24:17.759 --> 00:24:19.480 that's a very coveted position, I think. 562 00:24:19.680 --> 00:24:21.839 Yep. I would compare it to being a quarterback. 563 00:24:22.039 --> 00:24:23.839 Yeah, on the quarterback of the defense. 564 00:24:24.160 --> 00:24:26.640 Yeah. Literally, you know, guys are looking to you for 565 00:24:26.720 --> 00:24:28.880 the call, looking for you to like change up, you know, 566 00:24:28.920 --> 00:24:30.680 if we need to change the defense based off of 567 00:24:30.799 --> 00:24:34.000 motions or shifts or whatever the offense is doing. I 568 00:24:34.119 --> 00:24:36.799 was the guy to vocalize that, you know, and get 569 00:24:36.839 --> 00:24:40.079 everybody lined up right. So that was a huge, huge 570 00:24:40.160 --> 00:24:40.960 role to fill. 571 00:24:41.400 --> 00:24:42.839 How did they tell you you were going to be that? 572 00:24:43.240 --> 00:24:45.599 Yeah, we were sitting in the in the meeting in 573 00:24:45.640 --> 00:24:50.640 the defensive meeting room, and I remember Vance, Joseph and 574 00:24:50.680 --> 00:24:53.960 Reggie Hearing the linebacker coach was telling me, all right, 575 00:24:54.160 --> 00:24:57.039 we're gonna need you to call the plays. So today 576 00:24:57.440 --> 00:25:00.279 you're going to have the mic in practice and I 577 00:25:00.359 --> 00:25:03.920 was like, oh, like you just started when you just 578 00:25:03.920 --> 00:25:05.519 told me. Yeah, it was like you gotta you gotta 579 00:25:05.559 --> 00:25:07.559 call they say, you got to get this down, you know. 580 00:25:07.839 --> 00:25:10.000 And was that hard to get used to to having 581 00:25:10.039 --> 00:25:13.680 somebody in your helmet and then reiterating that to everybody. 582 00:25:13.880 --> 00:25:17.839 Yeah, it was hard, especially when like you're playing and 583 00:25:17.880 --> 00:25:21.680 you know, you're trying to catch your breath. Yeah, things 584 00:25:21.720 --> 00:25:24.559 get crazy, you know, especially if teams are doing no huddle. 585 00:25:25.440 --> 00:25:27.880 It can get pretty difficult. It can't, it can't. But 586 00:25:28.079 --> 00:25:29.799 I was able to manage well with it. 587 00:25:30.680 --> 00:25:31.920 How long can they talk to you for? 588 00:25:32.200 --> 00:25:35.519 I would say when the play clock reaches probably like 589 00:25:35.640 --> 00:25:36.960 five seconds. 590 00:25:36.519 --> 00:25:38.440 Oh okay, all the way up to that. 591 00:25:38.680 --> 00:25:43.200 Yeah. Yeah. I remember a few times way Phillips would 592 00:25:43.759 --> 00:25:46.799 scream in my ear, you know, right before the ball 593 00:25:46.880 --> 00:25:51.839 is gonna snap, you know, stop talking. Yeah, yeah, you know, 594 00:25:51.920 --> 00:25:54.599 and you kind of you kind of learned to tune 595 00:25:54.599 --> 00:25:56.720 it out, but at the same time pay attention to 596 00:25:56.839 --> 00:25:59.160 like what he's saying, you know. So I was able 597 00:25:59.200 --> 00:26:01.160 to do it pretty well though, which is crazy, you know. 598 00:26:01.200 --> 00:26:04.799 And I've learned from the older guys. From Nate. I 599 00:26:04.799 --> 00:26:06.880 would look up to him and because he was doing 600 00:26:06.880 --> 00:26:08.720 the cause when I was a rookie, okay, yeah, and 601 00:26:08.759 --> 00:26:10.799 then b Marsh started to do it and Danny was 602 00:26:10.839 --> 00:26:15.519 doing the cause and I would literally just observe, you know, 603 00:26:15.680 --> 00:26:20.480 and watch, and so that really helped ease me into 604 00:26:20.519 --> 00:26:21.200 the situation. 605 00:26:21.759 --> 00:26:23.319 Is it just in one ear? Does the voice just 606 00:26:23.359 --> 00:26:25.240 come in one ear? Do they have it in both ears? 607 00:26:25.319 --> 00:26:28.079 It's in both ears? And yeah. Yeah, Now, if you 608 00:26:28.160 --> 00:26:29.920 hit it hard enough or you know, if you fall 609 00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:31.920 hard enough on your helmet or whatever. 610 00:26:31.839 --> 00:26:33.079 One goes out, one goes out. 611 00:26:33.119 --> 00:26:35.319 Yeah, it will go out. Yeah, it'll go out. 612 00:26:36.359 --> 00:26:36.920 That's funny. 613 00:26:37.000 --> 00:26:40.119 Yeah. And Flip, the equipment manager, I would tell him, yeah, 614 00:26:40.160 --> 00:26:41.799 he's the best. Yeah, shout out to Flip. And he 615 00:26:41.839 --> 00:26:44.200 would tell me, oh, it's okay. As long as you 616 00:26:44.240 --> 00:26:46.839 can hear them, you're good. All right. I can only 617 00:26:46.839 --> 00:26:49.119 hear in my right ear. We'll just row with it, 618 00:26:49.119 --> 00:26:50.160 you know, we'll just row with it. 619 00:26:50.519 --> 00:26:52.799 Oh my gosh, that's funny. I can't imagine in both ears, 620 00:26:52.839 --> 00:26:55.440 because you know, on the sideline, I always wear ANIFB, 621 00:26:55.480 --> 00:26:56.720 but just in one ear, so that way I can 622 00:26:56.759 --> 00:26:59.000 still hear what's going on on the other side. So 623 00:26:59.039 --> 00:27:01.960 I would think of having it in both ears trying 624 00:27:01.960 --> 00:27:05.079 then to communicate and hear maybe what other guys are saying. 625 00:27:05.119 --> 00:27:05.720 That's hard. 626 00:27:05.920 --> 00:27:09.359 It is hard because guys are asking you what the 627 00:27:09.359 --> 00:27:12.519 call is getting You're getting the call in and they're 628 00:27:12.599 --> 00:27:15.680 yelling what's the call, and you know, the coach is 629 00:27:15.720

--> 00:27:18.880 telling you the call and he's telling tell Vaughan to 630 00:27:18.920 --> 00:27:21.720 widen out or you know, tell Shaq to move in, 631 00:27:21.960 --> 00:27:23.880 you know, and I'm getting all of this information, so 632 00:27:23.920 --> 00:27:26.519 I'm as the coach is talking, I'm talking too. At 633 00:27:26.519 --> 00:27:28.640 the same time, I started to realize, Okay, I gotta 634 00:27:28.640 --> 00:27:30.359 get it out quick. I got to talk when the 635 00:27:30.400 --> 00:27:33.759 coach is talking immediately, and it just kind of flowed 636 00:27:33.799 --> 00:27:36.119 that way, and I realized it's kind of like controlled 637 00:27:36.200 --> 00:27:37.519 chaos in a way. 638 00:27:37.440 --> 00:27:39.319 In the matter of twenty five to thirty seconds. 639 00:27:39.440 --> 00:27:42.559 Yeah, yeah, control chaos. Yeah, because sometimes you reach a 640 00:27:42.640 --> 00:27:46.039 situation where you're just sitting there and the coaches are 641 00:27:46.039 --> 00:27:49.079 trying to decide what call to call based off of, 642 00:27:49.240 --> 00:27:49.559 you know. 643 00:27:49.559 --> 00:27:52.160 Feel position or what they're seeing up in the. 644 00:27:52.039 --> 00:27:55.200 Boot and that time it does. It does. 645 00:27:55.319 --> 00:27:57.519 But you guys way behind the ag Yeah yeah it does. 646 00:27:57.599 --> 00:27:59.480 Yeah yeah, and you'll you'll see it sometimes, you know, 647 00:27:59.480 --> 00:28:02.440 if you watch game close enough. You know, some some 648 00:28:02.519 --> 00:28:05.319 coverages may get blown because the call has gotten laid 649 00:28:05.359 --> 00:28:08.920 or people didn't get the call. You know, so it happens, 650 00:28:08.920 --> 00:28:12.599 but but you continue to push through and enroll with. 651 00:28:12.640 --> 00:28:16.359 There's so many intricacies on the inside that's so beyond 652 00:28:16.480 --> 00:28:19.400 what the armchair quarterback seats. Oh, I like, you have 653 00:28:19.640 --> 00:28:23.319 no idea everything else that's going on, and those you know, 654 00:28:23.359 --> 00:28:24.359 while the play clocks. 655 00:28:24.200 --> 00:28:26.759 Going, while the playcock's going yep, yep. It's so many 656 00:28:26.799 --> 00:28:29.720 parts moving and so many things going on, you know, 657 00:28:29.720 --> 00:28:31.559 when you're trying to get the call out and to 658 00:28:31.640 --> 00:28:33.839 let guys know, you know where they need to be 659 00:28:34.079 --> 00:28:37.440 and where they need to align because the linebackers are 660 00:28:37.480 --> 00:28:39.960 the quarterbacks. You know, you got to get guys lined up, 661 00:28:40.000 --> 00:28:41.880 and a lot of guys, I would say a lot 662 00:28:41.880 --> 00:28:44.200 of guys, but some guys have a hard time kind 663 00:28:44.200 --> 00:28:46.599 of knowing where they need to line up based on 664 00:28:46.640 --> 00:28:49.240 the call. You know, some of those calls they may 665 00:28:49.480 --> 00:28:53.039

draw a blank because it's so many you know, there's 666 00:28:53.039 --> 00:28:54.359 so many different defenses to. 667 00:28:54.400 --> 00:28:55.759 Run, and then you've got to kind of help them 668 00:28:55.799 --> 00:28:58.279 get in their spots, especially if you know every position, 669 00:28:58.319 --> 00:29:02.799 you know, every play kind of moving around all the pieces, Yeah. 670 00:29:02.519 --> 00:29:04.759 For sure. Yeah. And I remember Reggie Hearing talking, and 671 00:29:05.200 --> 00:29:07.640 you know, he was saying, if guys aren't lined up, 672 00:29:07.720 --> 00:29:10.240 it's our fault, you know. If they aren't in position, 673 00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:13.960 it's our fault. Move them over if they aren't in position, 674 00:29:14.240 --> 00:29:16.759 you know, And we would have to physically do that sometimes. 675 00:29:16.839 --> 00:29:18.759 Yeah, and you see that happen. You see guy you 676 00:29:18.920 --> 00:29:20.759 go get you know, scoot him over or something like that, 677 00:29:20.839 --> 00:29:23.200 or come in, come in, come in, and yeah, yeah, yeah, 678 00:29:23.240 --> 00:29:23.759 it's crazy. 679 00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:24.359 Yeah. 680 00:29:24.400 --> 00:29:26.920 Wow, all right, so side we got totally sidetracked on 681 00:29:26.920 --> 00:29:29.359 the green dots. Sorry, we'll go back to your career. 682 00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:32.079 Let's go to twenty seventeen. And that was a tough 683 00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:35.160 year as you tear a bicep and go on injured reserve. 684 00:29:35.720 --> 00:29:38.119 Yep, that was tough place to be. That was so tough. 685 00:29:38.160 --> 00:29:40.279 I remember that too. That was right before we played 686 00:29:40.319 --> 00:29:43.160 the Chargers. I think it was game four or five. 687 00:29:43.880 --> 00:29:46.839 It was right around October. And it's wild because the 688 00:29:46.960 --> 00:29:49.480 second time I told my pick was around the same time. 689 00:29:50.000 --> 00:29:51.920 So October is like it was not a good month 690 00:29:51.960 --> 00:29:52.200 for me. 691 00:29:52.359 --> 00:29:54.400 Well no, and October is also isn't that when you 692 00:29:54.440 --> 00:29:55.400 did it in college? Too. 693 00:29:55.559 --> 00:29:58.160 Yeah. I did it in college too, Yeah, in October. Yeah, yeah, 694 00:29:58.200 --> 00:30:01.960 so I started to see a a cycle here. You know, 695 00:30:02.200 --> 00:30:04.480 it was kind of weird, you know for me. So 696 00:30:04.640 --> 00:30:06.880 during that time, I remember when I did it. We 697 00:30:06.880 --> 00:30:09.799 were in practice. The offense ran the power towards my 698 00:30:09.920 --> 00:30:13.279 side and I filled the hole, ran into the full back, 699 00:30:13.759 --> 00:30:15.440 and I remember I seeing the running back and I 700 00:30:15.440 --> 00:30:17.559 tried to get over to tackle them in my arm 701 00:30:18.039 --> 00:30:20.839 grab them, and in my arm being reached out, it 702 00:30:20.880 --> 00:30:23.680 got caught between everyone else trying to grab them, and 703 00:30:23.720 --> 00:30:27.599 it like hyper extended and I feel it. Oh yeah, yeah, 704 00:30:27.599 --> 00:30:29.240 I felt it right away. Yeah, I moved it out 705 00:30:29.240 --> 00:30:31.759 and I was trying to shake it off. I even 706 00:30:31.799 --> 00:30:35.759 tried to continue to practice and I couldn't use my arm. 707 00:30:35.880 --> 00:30:39.200 Oh yeah, yeah, it was pretty tough. I tried to 708 00:30:39.240 --> 00:30:43.400 continue out through practice, and I think towards that time 709 00:30:43.920 --> 00:30:46.319 I told coach that I couldn't. I couldn't use my 710 00:30:46.559 --> 00:30:48.799 arm for whatever reason. Then it started to like change 711 00:30:48.839 --> 00:30:53.839 colors and get like differentised. Yeah. Yeah, I went into 712 00:30:53.880 --> 00:30:56.119 the training room and got it iceed. I had to 713 00:30:56.160 --> 00:30:59.000 like stop practicing. Guys were still practicing, and you know, 714 00:30:59.119 --> 00:31:02.079 had to go get a MRAI and stuff and Greek 715 00:31:02.160 --> 00:31:04.480 came back and you know, told me the news and 716 00:31:04.519 --> 00:31:08.039 I was like, oh man, not again. You know. I 717 00:31:08.079 --> 00:31:10.359 remember going to my car after practice and I was 718 00:31:10.440 --> 00:31:12.680 just bawling, you know, because I was like, no, ways, 719 00:31:12.759 --> 00:31:16.480 just happening, you know, in my pivotal part of my career. 720 00:31:16.720 --> 00:31:19.319 That was also my contract year too. That was my 721 00:31:19.319 --> 00:31:20.920 fourth year year on my contract. 722 00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:22.799 Oh so real pivotal. 723 00:31:22.799 --> 00:31:25.839 Oh yeah, yeah, it was so pivotal. You're playing good, yep, yep, 724 00:31:26.119 --> 00:31:28.880 and then it happens, and so I was crushed. You know, 725 00:31:29.160 --> 00:31:32.759 I was hurt. But I've learned about perseverance, you know, 726 00:31:32.839 --> 00:31:38.799 in those times and staying strong mentally even if you 727 00:31:38.880 --> 00:31:41.119 feel like you can't, you know, and you feel like 728 00:31:41.599 --> 00:31:44.400 you're alone. Just got to just continue to push through. 729 00:31:44.680 --> 00:31:47.519 That's how life is, you know, just overall. And so 730 00:31:48.039 --> 00:31:50.079 I had surgery. 731 00:31:49.799 --> 00:31:53.000 And Broncos do not resign you in twenty eighteen. 732 00:31:53.039 --> 00:31:55.240 No, they didn't resign me. I remember we was going 733 00:31:55.240 --> 00:32:00.000 through negotiations and I felt like Philadelphia would have probably 734 00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:03.640 been a better fit, uh during that time, so I 735 00:32:03.799 --> 00:32:07.680 decided to try a different route and that didn't pan out. 736 00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:10.960 Right because they cut you. Then in August, right, yep. 737 00:32:11.039 --> 00:32:13.359 You get all through many camps and

training camps and 738 00:32:13.359 --> 00:32:13.799 they cut you. 739 00:32:13.839 --> 00:32:15.839 They cut me, yeah, and so that was the first 740 00:32:15.880 --> 00:32:19.519 time ever got cut. So that was a whole nother thing, 741 00:32:19.599 --> 00:32:22.680 like whoa what you can't cut me? You know. I 742 00:32:22.759 --> 00:32:25.359 was like, I can do it all. You know that 743 00:32:25.599 --> 00:32:27.440 can cut me. I can learn all the defenses and 744 00:32:27.480 --> 00:32:28.200 special teams. 745 00:32:28.240 --> 00:32:30.720 And so a couple weeks later, you go to Atlanta 746 00:32:30.759 --> 00:32:31.599 for about twelve days. 747 00:32:31.640 --> 00:32:34.039 Yeah, went to Atlanta about twelve days. And crazy thing is, 748 00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:37.160 I don't think this is in my records, but I 749 00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:41.799 tore my calf. It was like a grade two tear. Yeah. 750 00:32:41.839 --> 00:32:43.559 In practice, it was so weird. I was like, where 751 00:32:43.599 --> 00:32:45.799 is all this coming from? And so they ended up 752 00:32:46.119 --> 00:32:50.400 putting me on Yeah, yep, I was on the pub 753 00:32:50.680 --> 00:32:53.880 and then they ended up releasing me a little bit 754 00:32:53.920 --> 00:32:58.079 after that and I got paid like, yeah, I did 755 00:32:58.160 --> 00:33:01.480 little settlement yeah, and so oh that was a whole 756 00:33:01.519 --> 00:33:03.960 other thing, and I was like, dang, Okay. So during 757 00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:09.119 that time I focused on recovering and I was working 758 00:33:09.160 --> 00:33:11.680 out for teams. I mean I worked out for the Raiders, 759 00:33:11.839 --> 00:33:16.240 Kansas City, Jacksonville, the New York Giants. I was having 760 00:33:16.279 --> 00:33:18.240 all of these different workouts, and I was flying out 761 00:33:18.279 --> 00:33:19.559 to all these different places. 762 00:33:19.799 --> 00:33:20.880 How wild is that? 763 00:33:21.200 --> 00:33:23.680 That was crazy? I don't think that's talked about a lot. 764 00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:26.000 You know, that's one of the most craziest things to 765 00:33:26.039 --> 00:33:28.720 talk about, and especially having a family with kids and stuff, 766 00:33:29.359 --> 00:33:32.000 having to just leave at the drop of a dime. 767 00:33:32.319 --> 00:33:34.519 Usually on a Tuesday. Right, You're going out there when 768 00:33:34.519 --> 00:33:36.200 they're not practicing, so you can be out there and 769 00:33:36.200 --> 00:33:37.160 everybody can look at you. 770 00:33:37.720 --> 00:33:40.279 Yeah, So I was working off. I'm in the Patriots. 771 00:33:40.759 --> 00:33:45.039 There was so many different teams Arizona. I kind of 772 00:33:45.079 --> 00:33:45.720 went all. 773 00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:47.880 Over it, and you get your hopes up every time, probably. 774 00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:50.359 Right, Yeah, I did every time, you know, and each 775 00:33:50.440 --> 00:33:53.440 time I didn't sign with the team, it

was a 776 00:33:53.480 --> 00:33:57.440 little shot at you know, my ego and who I 777 00:33:57.559 --> 00:34:00.400 was as a player kind of got depressed into a 778 00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:02.920 little depression, you know, in those moments because you have 779 00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:05.920 to work out and stay ready, you know, because those 780 00:34:05.960 --> 00:34:08.480 calls were coming at random times. I mean they were 781 00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:11.599 I'll get a call Sunday, you know, if somebody. 782 00:34:11.400 --> 00:34:14.039 Got hurt in the game, and so then they're calling yep, and. 783 00:34:13.960 --> 00:34:16.519 Then I'll have to fly out either that night or 784 00:34:17.159 --> 00:34:19.239 the following morning. So it was a lot of a 785 00:34:19.400 --> 00:34:21.440 lot of going on, a lot of moving parts, and 786 00:34:21.440 --> 00:34:25.760 all of this was happening in twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen 787 00:34:26.079 --> 00:34:28.440 Tampa Bay. I even worked out for Tampa Bay, did 788 00:34:28.440 --> 00:34:30.400 a good job with them. They wanted to sign me 789 00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:32.000 for the twenty nineteen season. 790 00:34:32.079 --> 00:34:33.840 So you were with them for that whole off season, 791 00:34:33.960 --> 00:34:36.760 the off season January and then final cut day, yep. 792 00:34:36.760 --> 00:34:39.280 And then final cut day. And I remember, I can't 793 00:34:39.320 --> 00:34:42.360 remember the linebacker's coach name at the time, but when 794 00:34:42.360 --> 00:34:44.760 he was there, he told me that they already had 795 00:34:44.800 --> 00:34:46.880 their guys, so, you know, I don't At that time, 796 00:34:47.119 --> 00:34:51.519 the Arizona staff had came to Tampa Bay. Who is the. 797 00:34:51.519 --> 00:34:53.199 Coach twenty nineteen. 798 00:34:53.400 --> 00:34:54.559 I can't think of his name right now. 799 00:34:55.159 --> 00:34:57.519 It wasn't Arians, was it, Yes, it was Bruce. 800 00:34:58.159 --> 00:35:00.000 It was Bruce Arians and his staff. So Bruce Aris. 801 00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:05.159 Yeah, I'm like, let me think Arizona Tampa I think 802 00:35:05.199 --> 00:35:06.400 maybe Bruce yep. 803 00:35:06.480 --> 00:35:09.360 So it was Bruce and his staff came, and I 804 00:35:09.400 --> 00:35:13.199 remember they brought their guys. They brought, you know, a 805 00:35:13.199 --> 00:35:16.719 few linebackers, a few wide receivers, running backs, a lot 806 00:35:16.719 --> 00:35:18.760 of people that used to play with them in Arizona, right, 807 00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:21.840 and kind of in that moment, I realized, oh, this 808 00:35:21.920 --> 00:35:24.599 is like a business move, like for everybody. And they 809 00:35:24.599 --> 00:35:26.719 told me it was like we already have our guys 810 00:35:27.239 --> 00:35:29.960 that we trust and depend on because they played with 811 00:35:30.039 --> 00:35:32.559 them in Arizona, you know for so many years and 812 00:35:32.599 --> 00:35:34.440 they didn't have room for me. They told me to 813 00:35:34.519 --> 00:35:36.360 keep my hopes up. You know, I'll land somewhere because 814 00:35:36.480 --> 00:35:37.639 I played really well with them. 815 00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:43.159 You know, I was healthy that year after Okay, I 816 00:35:43.280 --> 00:35:46.280 missed it, and so during that time after they released me, 817 00:35:46.840 --> 00:35:49.760 in that same day, I get a call from the 818 00:35:49.760 --> 00:35:54.880 Broncos and they want to sign me, and so I 819 00:35:54.960 --> 00:35:57.119 had to fly out the next day. 820 00:35:57.440 --> 00:35:59.360 I drove my car to Tampa or I actually I 821 00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:01.360 had to ship to Tampa. Then I decided to just 822 00:36:01.440 --> 00:36:03.639 drive it back because I was in Houston at the time. 823 00:36:04.280 --> 00:36:07.000 So I drove from Tampa back to Houston to get 824 00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:09.800 all my stuff ready to fly out to Denver. Yeah, 825 00:36:10.079 --> 00:36:13.400 you know, it's crazy. It's crazy, how you know, teams 826 00:36:13.440 --> 00:36:15.800 call you and you've got to go at the drop 827 00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:18.639 of a dime, you know, whether it's a workout or 828 00:36:18.639 --> 00:36:20.440 whether they're trying to sign you, and. 829 00:36:20.440 --> 00:36:23.480 You can't just transport yourself. There's so many logistics that 830 00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:26.039 go on, and especially, like you said, you have a 831 00:36:26.079 --> 00:36:28.480 wife and family that you're trying to figure out too. 832 00:36:28.719 --> 00:36:31.280 Yep, yep, And it's a lot of moving parts. You know. 833 00:36:31.400 --> 00:36:33.599 I remember when I had got cut from Philly going 834 00:36:33.639 --> 00:36:35.079 back a little bit. Sorry, I just wanted to kind 835 00:36:35.119 --> 00:36:37.079 of get it out that I had a place in 836 00:36:37.119 --> 00:36:40.440 Philly and a place in Houston. So after I got cut, 837 00:36:40.519 --> 00:36:42.360 you know, I was like, well, I gotta I gotta 838 00:36:42.719 --> 00:36:44.840 deal with this place in Philly. Yeah, and you know, 839 00:36:44.880 --> 00:36:47.159 and I did that, and then I was in Atlanta 840 00:36:47.239 --> 00:36:49.679 and had to try to get a place in Atlanta. 841 00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:51.760 Then that didn't work out. And then in Tampa it 842 00:36:51.840 --> 00:36:53.320 was a whole other thing. They was like, oh, you 843 00:36:53.400 --> 00:36:57.079 got to pay for your own living to wherever you are. Yeah, 844 00:36:57.119 --> 00:37:00.559 so I had to get an airbnb and I stayed 845 00:37:00.559 --> 00:37:04.360 in like a little hut. Yeah. It was literally a hut. Yeah, kids, 846 00:37:04.400 --> 00:37:07.679 you not I kitchen. It was a one room. It 847 00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:10.519 was a garage that they converted. It was two stories, 848 00:37:10.559 --> 00:37:12.960 but it was a room up top for other people 849 00:37:13.000 --> 00:37:14.719 to

stay in in a room below and I was 850 00:37:14.719 --> 00:37:15.480 in the room below. 851 00:37:16.280 --> 00:37:17.960 See people above you too above me. 852 00:37:18.079 --> 00:37:21.079 Yeah, yeah, yeah, so it was it was a lot 853 00:37:21.199 --> 00:37:23.440 going on for me, you know during that. 854 00:37:23.360 --> 00:37:27.199 Time, nice contract in a great place. 855 00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:29.880 And now and now you know, I was in this situation. 856 00:37:30.440 --> 00:37:35.000 But it was all good though, because I Chara absolutely absolutely, 857 00:37:35.079 --> 00:37:38.239 and so I was able to handle all those moving 858 00:37:38.280 --> 00:37:41.039 parts and get ready to go to Denver with. 859 00:37:41.119 --> 00:37:43.719 Vig Fangio, with fourth head coach. 860 00:37:43.800 --> 00:37:47.320 Yeah yeah, and this is it was totally different, you know. 861 00:37:47.440 --> 00:37:47.519 Now. 862 00:37:47.559 --> 00:37:50.480 Granted Reggie Hearing, the linebackers coach, was still there, so 863 00:37:50.519 --> 00:37:53.239 that was pretty good. You know, it wasn't as bad. 864 00:37:54.039 --> 00:37:57.159 But the biggest thing that I've had to accomplish and 865 00:37:57.239 --> 00:38:01.920 to learn was the def It was a different defense 866 00:38:01.960 --> 00:38:06.039 from all those other years. Oh yeah, and they expected 867 00:38:06.079 --> 00:38:08.400 me to learn it and I had to, you know, 868 00:38:08.480 --> 00:38:11.639 in order to play because I started I think the 869 00:38:11.639 --> 00:38:15.000 first three games with the Broncos. We played the Oakland 870 00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:16.880 Raiders the first game and I remember I had that 871 00:38:17.000 --> 00:38:19.360 whole week to learn the whole defense. 872 00:38:19.519 --> 00:38:20.000 Oh my god. 873 00:38:20.159 --> 00:38:22.159 Yeah. So it was like a crash course and I 874 00:38:22.239 --> 00:38:25.199 was I was up there from sun up to sundown 875 00:38:24.920 --> 00:38:27.199 and learning the defense, and I was tired. I mean, 876 00:38:27.239 --> 00:38:31.000 I was, you know, putting in ten plus hours, you know, 877 00:38:31.079 --> 00:38:34.199 after practice, staying up there and trying to make sure 878 00:38:34.199 --> 00:38:35.000 I knew everything. 879 00:38:35.320 --> 00:38:38.079 And we lost that game, I believe, Yeah we did. 880 00:38:38.159 --> 00:38:40.000 That was a tough That was a tough one. Yeah, 881 00:38:40.199 --> 00:38:42.320 we lost that game, and it was it was pretty hard. 882 00:38:42.599 --> 00:38:45.920 I think Vic Fangio, he he had a lot riding 883 00:38:45.960 --> 00:38:48.639 on you know, that season, because you know, before that, 884 00:38:48.800 --> 00:38:51.000 Broncos fans, we were having a hard time trying to 885 00:38:51.280 --> 00:38:52.239 keep a winning record. 886 00:38:52.320 --> 00:38:55.559 Oh yeah, yeah, so a lot of expectations. 887 00:38:55.599 --> 00:38:57.559 Yeah, yeah when he came in. 888 00:38:57.719 --> 00:38:59.599 But then the week eight of that year, you tear 889 00:38:59.639 --> 00:39:00.159 your other. 890 00:39:00.679 --> 00:39:02.800 Yeah, yeah, I did. And that was that was a 891 00:39:02.800 --> 00:39:05.039 freak accident. We were playing the Colts and it was 892 00:39:05.079 --> 00:39:07.719 at the end. It was like two or three minutes 893 00:39:07.760 --> 00:39:10.519 left in the fourth quarter and we were putting the ball. 894 00:39:11.039 --> 00:39:12.960 It was crazy how it happened. It was a lineman 895 00:39:13.039 --> 00:39:14.639 in front of me tried to do a swim move 896 00:39:14.679 --> 00:39:17.039 on me, and I just reached out to like hold 897 00:39:17.119 --> 00:39:19.960 them other arm, mother arm, yeah, the other arm. Yeah, 898 00:39:19.960 --> 00:39:22.039 and it popped and I was like, oh no, I 899 00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:25.320 already knew I knew what it was. Yeah, I knew 900 00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:28.679 it immediately and went to the sideline. I had literally 901 00:39:29.480 --> 00:39:32.320 tossed my helmet. I threw it because I knew you know, 902 00:39:32.599 --> 00:39:32.880 that was. 903 00:39:32.880 --> 00:39:35.480 My first year doing sidelines. I remember that, Okay, Yeah. 904 00:39:35.360 --> 00:39:38.119 Yeah, I was so so hurt about that. We were 905 00:39:38.119 --> 00:39:41.239 in Inddieapolis when it happened, and Greek knew, you know, 906 00:39:41.280 --> 00:39:44.440 everybody kind of knew that that there was the same injury, 907 00:39:44.440 --> 00:39:46.880 but just on a different orm. That crushed me too. 908 00:39:46.960 --> 00:39:50.159 I was. I was depleted after that, So the season 909 00:39:50.199 --> 00:39:50.840 continued on. 910 00:39:51.639 --> 00:39:53.679 Yes, surgery on that one, surgery. 911 00:39:53.320 --> 00:39:56.960 On that one. They didn't sign me back. During that time, 912 00:39:57.000 --> 00:39:59.760 I was still working out because I still had workouts 913 00:39:59.760 --> 00:40:01.599 for different teams. 914 00:40:01.880 --> 00:40:03.639 You continue to go to other teams after that? 915 00:40:03.760 --> 00:40:05.599 Yeah, after that I did. I continue to work out 916 00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:08.679 for other teams for like two years until like twenty 917 00:40:08.760 --> 00:40:11.800 twenty one, twenty twenty two. And you know, that's that's 918 00:40:11.840 --> 00:40:14.199 kind of not talked about with players because players will 919 00:40:14.199 --> 00:40:16.880 still try actively, you know, and they still have workouts 920 00:40:16.880 --> 00:40:19.800 and stuff, but things don't work out. COVID year happened 921 00:40:19.920 --> 00:40:22.519 during that time, and that was different. 922 00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:24.440 Yeah, you got to try it with the Panthers during 923 00:40:24.440 --> 00:40:25.800 that time. I think there's one of the ones you 924 00:40:25.800 --> 00:40:26.039 went to. 925 00:40:26.280 --> 00:40:28.800 Yeah, the Panthers too, Yes, so see so many teams,

926 00:40:29.320 --> 00:40:30.280 so many teams, but. 927 00:40:30.320 --> 00:40:32.760 COVID had to be hard trying to be that guy. 928 00:40:32.880 --> 00:40:34.760 There were so many crazy things in place. 929 00:40:35.119 --> 00:40:38.440 Yeah, yeah it was. And Buffalo. I remember I went 930 00:40:38.480 --> 00:40:41.400 to Buffalo to have a workout and during this time, 931 00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:44.559 you had to be at that place a whole week, 932 00:40:44.840 --> 00:40:48.039 so you were there in the hotel for quarantine. Quarantine, 933 00:40:48.159 --> 00:40:50.039 yeah yeah, and you have to get you know, your 934 00:40:50.039 --> 00:40:52.920 nose swab. And so during this time, I was like, well, 935 00:40:53.039 --> 00:40:55.320 I gotta work out. I can't just not work out 936 00:40:55.320 --> 00:40:57.159 for a whole week and then go try to do 937 00:40:57.239 --> 00:40:59.440 a you know, full workout and be out of shape. 938 00:40:59.480 --> 00:41:03.639 So I improvised. I would find a field anywhere where 939 00:41:03.679 --> 00:41:06.440 I was, you know. I remember I was in Buffalo, 940 00:41:06.519 --> 00:41:10.000 I found a park. When I was in Carolina, you know, 941 00:41:10.039 --> 00:41:13.320 I found a street that just had a bunch of 942 00:41:13.320 --> 00:41:16.360 grass and you know, you just trying to find landing. Yeah, 943 00:41:16.360 --> 00:41:17.440 and I just go through my. 944 00:41:17.400 --> 00:41:19.239 Workout, just do a self workout, self. 945 00:41:19.000 --> 00:41:21.159 Workout, yep, yep. I did that for like, I think 946 00:41:21.199 --> 00:41:23.920 I had four different workouts just spread out, you know, 947 00:41:24.039 --> 00:41:26.400 during that time of being you know, all those teams 948 00:41:26.400 --> 00:41:28.920 for a whole week and trying to work out and 949 00:41:28.920 --> 00:41:32.840 stay in shape until the workout actually came for that team, 950 00:41:33.039 --> 00:41:36.119 and you'd get another no, Get another no, Yeah, get 951 00:41:36.159 --> 00:41:38.760 another no. That is so hard yep, and get another 952 00:41:38.880 --> 00:41:41.639 you know, we'll see, we'll keep you on my working out. Yeah. 953 00:41:41.840 --> 00:41:44.760 San Francisco was another one. I remember working out at 954 00:41:44.840 --> 00:41:48.000 soccer field. It was just crazy stuff. I mean, this 955 00:41:48.079 --> 00:41:50.400 is stuff that you know, players don't really get to 956 00:41:50.440 --> 00:41:52.719 talk about or you know, let people know. But yeah, 957 00:41:52.960 --> 00:41:56.239 I didn't give up, even coming back from the injury. 958 00:41:56.280 --> 00:42:00.199 I still persevered and kept trying. And it got to 959 00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:02.079 a point where I was like, all right, I need 960 00:42:02.119 --> 00:42:05.280 to focus on like my family and in real life 961 00:42:05.320 --> 00:42:08.400 and get back to like taking care of home. Because 962 00:42:09.079 --> 00:42:11.880 football was I

had my fun, I had my time, 963 00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:14.320 you know, and and I even had all these workouts. 964 00:42:14.400 --> 00:42:16.440 You know. It was like twenty plus teams that I 965 00:42:16.480 --> 00:42:17.159 worked out for. 966 00:42:17.360 --> 00:42:20.519 So you were making great connections, right yeah, oh yeah. 967 00:42:20.440 --> 00:42:23.840 Yeah, so many great connections, so many, you know, And 968 00:42:24.800 --> 00:42:27.800 I knew that it was just kind of time to transition. 969 00:42:27.920 --> 00:42:29.840 You know. I could have kept working out. I remember 970 00:42:30.039 --> 00:42:36.119 I had an opportunity to play CFL and then the XFL. 971 00:42:35.920 --> 00:42:38.599 XFLXXFL was in there, and then there's usfl like. 972 00:42:40.159 --> 00:42:43.119 Now yep, yep. So all of those started to come out, 973 00:42:43.199 --> 00:42:45.760 and I had to make a decision because I could 974 00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:49.360 have continued absolutely, you know, I was like, nah, I 975 00:42:49.400 --> 00:42:51.000 think I'm gonna just focus on home. 976 00:42:51.280 --> 00:42:53.119 And did you decide that or did Jenny decide that? 977 00:42:53.119 --> 00:42:55.320 Who's sitting here with us today? 978 00:42:54.800 --> 00:42:57.800 Yeah? I think yeah, I think I think it was 979 00:42:57.840 --> 00:43:00.519 a mutual decision. We had talked about it a few times. 980 00:43:00.519 --> 00:43:02.960 It was kind of beautiful to, you know, just focus 981 00:43:03.000 --> 00:43:06.320 on home and kind of pivot in a different direction 982 00:43:06.639 --> 00:43:09.440 as far as my career is concerned. And you know 983 00:43:09.480 --> 00:43:12.440 where everything was going for us and headed for us. 984 00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:14.679 And you've done very well with that. I mean, your 985 00:43:14.679 --> 00:43:18.000 degrees in communications right from OU and I read in 986 00:43:18.039 --> 00:43:20.480 your OU bio that you like poetry as well, you 987 00:43:20.559 --> 00:43:23.639 like writing. Ye yeah, still right, communications, I mean, so 988 00:43:23.760 --> 00:43:27.400 that's bode well into what you're doing now. Absolutely. So. 989 00:43:27.440 --> 00:43:29.599 I do a lot of speaking engagements back home, a 990 00:43:29.599 --> 00:43:32.920 lot of high schools, my high school skyline, you know, 991 00:43:32.960 --> 00:43:36.119 I spoke in middle schools. I have great connections with 992 00:43:36.199 --> 00:43:39.800 coaches from all over the metroplex. So I've been having 993 00:43:39.840 --> 00:43:42.719 my hand and everything kind of speaking to kids and 994 00:43:42.760 --> 00:43:46.360 being mentors to them even help training them, you know, 995 00:43:46.440 --> 00:43:49.320 getting them ready for their season. And so that's kind 996 00:43:49.320 --> 00:43:52.320 of been the main focus, on top of having a 997 00:43:52.360 --> 00:43:55.719 couple of businesses that I that I run with my wife, 998 00:43:55.760 --> 00:43:58.880 and yeah, we've we just kind of just transitioned in 999 00:43:58.920 --> 00:44:01.119 a positive direction, you know. It kind of happened pretty 1000 00:44:01.119 --> 00:44:03.639 fast and in a great way. Ended up getting the 1001 00:44:03.719 --> 00:44:07.039 key to the city in Malakoff, Texas, going out there, Yes, 1002 00:44:07.079 --> 00:44:08.840 speaking to the kids and so you. 1003 00:44:08.760 --> 00:44:11.920 Got a key to the city, key to the city's yes. 1004 00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:15.159 Yes. So a lot a lot of great positive things 1005 00:44:15.159 --> 00:44:18.800 have been happening. Yeah, once I decided to shift my 1006 00:44:18.840 --> 00:44:22.360 focus from football and into you know, different things. 1007 00:44:23.000 --> 00:44:24.960 One of your businesses, you you own a salon. 1008 00:44:25.280 --> 00:44:27.519 Yeah, we own a salon, yep, me and my wife, 1009 00:44:27.840 --> 00:44:31.320 her and her staff. They work on that. So that's 1010 00:44:31.360 --> 00:44:33.320 one of the things. And then outside of that, we 1011 00:44:33.400 --> 00:44:37.840 have a JVTLC Enterprise, So it's jvtl C Salon and 1012 00:44:37.880 --> 00:44:41.719 then JVTLC Enterprise is a whole nother compartment where we 1013 00:44:41.760 --> 00:44:43.880 actually teach people how to either open up their own 1014 00:44:43.920 --> 00:44:47.000 salon or open up their own business whether they want 1015 00:44:47.039 --> 00:44:50.719 to do you know, education, or they want to open 1016 00:44:50.800 --> 00:44:54.239 up a barbershop or restaurant. 1017 00:44:53.840 --> 00:44:55.840 Any kind of small business. 1018 00:44:55.960 --> 00:44:58.760 Yeah, we're there to kind of help them and guide 1019 00:44:58.800 --> 00:45:00.360 them and give them the steps that they need and 1020 00:45:00.400 --> 00:45:03.360 the knowledge that they need to be able to open 1021 00:45:03.440 --> 00:45:05.480 up a business or you know, well, where do I start? 1022 00:45:05.519 --> 00:45:08.119 You know, how do I get going in the right direction? Right? 1023 00:45:08.159 --> 00:45:08.760 Get the loan? 1024 00:45:08.920 --> 00:45:11.960 Get the loan. Yeah, making sure your credit score is good, 1025 00:45:12.159 --> 00:45:14.480 you know, making sure you have business credit building on 1026 00:45:14.480 --> 00:45:17.280 top of your personal credit. So yeah, that's what we do. 1027 00:45:17.320 --> 00:45:19.920 We kind of just help people. It's cool and incorporate that. 1028 00:45:20.199 --> 00:45:22.400 Yeah, I love that. And it just pretty much in 1029 00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:25.239 Dallas and Houston or all over. I mean, could somebody 1030 00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:27.599 from here contact you to help start a small business? 1031 00:45:27.760 --> 00:45:29.599 Yeah, they could if they if they wanted to, they're 1032 00:45:29.599 --> 00:45:32.679 more than welcome to. Yeah, but we're mostly stationed in 1033 00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:35.760 Dallas and Houston. That's

where we go. But definitely want 1034 00:45:35.840 --> 00:45:38.320 to expand our network because I know I have a 1035 00:45:38.320 --> 00:45:40.599 big hand in Oklahoma too, because we go there from 1036 00:45:40.599 --> 00:45:43.480 time to time. And now we're trying to like establish 1037 00:45:43.559 --> 00:45:47.159 more roots out here in Denver. You yeah, yeah, yep, 1038 00:45:47.239 --> 00:45:49.599 And so that's that's been the focus and the move. 1039 00:45:49.719 --> 00:45:52.320 I love it. And then for kiddo's yep, ranging an 1040 00:45:52.360 --> 00:45:54.320 age from a little little yep. 1041 00:45:54.360 --> 00:45:58.000 So the littlest one is five years old, and then 1042 00:45:58.039 --> 00:46:01.599 we have a sun. Sorry, I'm all over the place. 1043 00:46:01.679 --> 00:46:05.719 Our son is ten months. Our son, that's the one. Yeah, 1044 00:46:05.760 --> 00:46:09.039 he's ten months, and then our daughter sees five. Our 1045 00:46:09.079 --> 00:46:11.239 son is eight, and then our daughter is eight and 1046 00:46:11.239 --> 00:46:14.039 we're respecting another one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1047 00:46:15.079 --> 00:46:19.719 Yeah, Oh my gosh, that's amazing total album, busy house. Yeah, 1048 00:46:19.719 --> 00:46:23.599 it's good kidding, Yeah, that's fun. Well, I'm glad that 1049 00:46:23.599 --> 00:46:26.400 everything's going well for you. I know that transition is hard, 1050 00:46:26.440 --> 00:46:29.320 but you've really turned it into a positive. Which leads 1051 00:46:29.320 --> 00:46:32.199 into my last question of what do you tell people, 1052 00:46:32.280 --> 00:46:34.719 especially with all the speaking that you do, how to 1053 00:46:34.760 --> 00:46:38.119 get past all of those down moments. You've had, your injuries, 1054 00:46:38.159 --> 00:46:40.159 you've had the cuts you've had trying to do this, 1055 00:46:40.239 --> 00:46:41.840 but like you said, you just kept working hard and 1056 00:46:42.360 --> 00:46:44.440 moving forward. So what's your advice to them on how 1057 00:46:44.440 --> 00:46:45.000 to do it? 1058 00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:48.440 Stay positive no matter what life throws at you and 1059 00:46:48.559 --> 00:46:51.480 kind of just ride that wave. You know, whether you're 1060 00:46:51.480 --> 00:46:54.599 going through a hard time, embrace that hard time and 1061 00:46:54.719 --> 00:46:57.920 know that good times are coming. Better days are coming, 1062 00:46:58.320 --> 00:47:03.519 and during those hard times, learn, you know, learn why 1063 00:47:03.559 --> 00:47:07.159 this has happened, or or just learned that things happen 1064 00:47:07.199 --> 00:47:10.000 the way they're supposed to, because you need to obtain 1065 00:47:10.639 --> 00:47:16.320 a certain skill or a certain attitude mentality from your 1066 00:47:16.360 --> 00:47:19.719 experiences within the life that you're living, because you never know, 1067 00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:22.440 you know, how life plays out. So I always say, 1068 00:47:22.599 --> 00:47:25.280 just ride the wave and look for those silver linings 1069 00:47:25.320 --> 00:47:28.599 within those waves, because they are there. You know, as 1070 00:47:28.679 --> 00:47:32.159 long as you stay positive and know that better is 1071 00:47:32.159 --> 00:47:35.320 coming and that you deserve better, stuff will always work out, 1072 00:47:35.400 --> 00:47:38.039 you know. Coincidentally, you know, it's all in your mind. 1073 00:47:38.079 --> 00:47:40.599 That's what that's the most important thing. So if your 1074 00:47:40.679 --> 00:47:44.360 mind can stay positive, and if your mind can overcome 1075 00:47:44.639 --> 00:47:48.519 those hard negative experiences or moments, and I wouldn't call 1076 00:47:48.559 --> 00:47:50.719 them negative experience or moments. I would say that they 1077 00:47:50.760 --> 00:47:54.440 are lessons. You know, me getting heard, me going through 1078 00:47:54.519 --> 00:47:56.519 all those teams and stuff, those are all lessons and 1079 00:47:56.559 --> 00:47:59.000 stuff that I had to learn for myself. You know, 1080 00:47:59.000 --> 00:48:01.360 I was learning myself and learning how to be a 1081 00:48:01.400 --> 00:48:05.440 better me so that I can help other people, you know, 1082 00:48:05.480 --> 00:48:09.480 whenever they come to hard times or lessons that they 1083 00:48:09.519 --> 00:48:10.159 need to learn. 1084 00:48:10.360 --> 00:48:14.079 And understand great lessons to teach all your upcoming five children. 1085 00:48:14.199 --> 00:48:17.840 Oh yeah, yeah, so many, Yeah, which I'm excited about. 1086 00:48:17.920 --> 00:48:20.320 You know, I love it. I love being a full 1087 00:48:20.360 --> 00:48:22.519 time dad and kind of being there, you know, every 1088 00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:24.519 step of the way and getting into a little bit 1089 00:48:24.559 --> 00:48:26.880 of coaching, you know, with my sons and daughters. So 1090 00:48:26.920 --> 00:48:28.039 that's been fun too. 1091 00:48:28.159 --> 00:48:29.800 That's good. And you know what I said last question, 1092 00:48:29.840 --> 00:48:31.880 but just real quick, you came back for the alumni 1093 00:48:31.920 --> 00:48:34.920 weekend and you also came back during the preseason to 1094 00:48:34.960 --> 00:48:39.000 be the honorary coin Toss captain. What's it been like 1095 00:48:39.280 --> 00:48:40.880 coming back and being involved. 1096 00:48:41.079 --> 00:48:43.559 Oh? Man, it's been amazing. You know, it's been a 1097 00:48:43.559 --> 00:48:46.360 beautiful experience. And I remember me and my wife was 1098 00:48:46.400 --> 00:48:50.800 talking and we told ourselves, you know, at the beginning 1099 00:48:50.880 --> 00:48:54.159 of this year that we wanted to be more involved 1100 00:48:54.159 --> 00:48:56.599 in everything that you know, we were a part of. 1101 00:48:57.079 --> 00:48:59.800 Now that we got everything kind of situated with our 1102 00:48:59.840 --> 00:49:02.400 businesses and we got a nice flow in

life, you know, 1103 00:49:02.480 --> 00:49:04.679 with our kids and stuff, and now it's time to 1104 00:49:04.719 --> 00:49:08.239 incorporate going back to the places that I've played at 1105 00:49:08.320 --> 00:49:10.400 or places that we've been and places that I know, 1106 00:49:10.519 --> 00:49:13.960 and to be able to experience those connections, you know, 1107 00:49:14.039 --> 00:49:17.119 and establish those connections with people because you know, you 1108 00:49:17.199 --> 00:49:19.840 never know what I may be able to provide for them, 1109 00:49:19.920 --> 00:49:23.360 and vice versa, you know, and even giving our kids 1110 00:49:23.400 --> 00:49:25.760 the experiences that that I have from the places that 1111 00:49:25.800 --> 00:49:27.320 I've been and traveled to. 1112 00:49:27.559 --> 00:49:29.119 Yeah, I mean they were all down on the sideline 1113 00:49:29.159 --> 00:49:31.079 with you guys ye that day, which is really cool. 1114 00:49:31.480 --> 00:49:33.360 Yeah, and that's you know, that's stuff that you that 1115 00:49:33.440 --> 00:49:35.800 you can't take for granted. You know, it's priceless. You know, 1116 00:49:35.800 --> 00:49:39.800 those are memories that are they'll cherish forever. And so yeah, 1117 00:49:40.000 --> 00:49:42.039 that's been our focus, and so I'm glad to be 1118 00:49:42.119 --> 00:49:44.119 back out here. You know, this won't be the last time. 1119 00:49:44.280 --> 00:49:45.920 You know, We're always going to come back out to 1120 00:49:45.960 --> 00:49:48.679 Denver and eventually establish some roots out here and get 1121 00:49:48.719 --> 00:49:51.559 a place. And so it's a wonderful thing to be 1122 00:49:51.599 --> 00:49:52.280 able to do that. 1123 00:49:52.440 --> 00:49:55.159 Absolutely. Now, when you were down there that day, Peyton 1124 00:49:55.280 --> 00:49:57.719 was also down right by us, and I saw you 1125 00:49:58.159 --> 00:50:00.800 tap and like almost reintroduce your So were you afraid 1126 00:50:00.800 --> 00:50:01.960 that he wouldn't remember who you were? 1127 00:50:02.239 --> 00:50:05.400 Yeah, I'm the Super Bowl fifty. 1128 00:50:05.440 --> 00:50:07.440 I was like, why is he in producing himself to Peyton? 1129 00:50:07.639 --> 00:50:09.639 Yeah, it's crazy. And you know I did that with 1130 00:50:09.719 --> 00:50:12.679 the Marcus were too at the alumni party. Yeah. I 1131 00:50:12.719 --> 00:50:14.639 only did that because I grew my hair out. Back 1132 00:50:14.639 --> 00:50:17.239 when I played, I had the nice fade. I didn't 1133 00:50:17.280 --> 00:50:21.199 have the dreads dreads, that's right. So I figured I 1134 00:50:21.239 --> 00:50:23.360 may look different, people may not recognize me. 1135 00:50:23.400 --> 00:50:25.760 And Tom Davis does that sometimes he goes to all 1136 00:50:25.840 --> 00:50:28.519 shaved dreads and I'm like, wait, yeah, oh it's Todd. 1137 00:50:28.400 --> 00:50:31.440 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. So I try to help people 1138 00:50:31.840 --> 00:50:33.960 remember who I am, because you know, back then, I 1139 00:50:34.039 --> 00:50:36.559 didn't look the way that I look now with my treads. 1140 00:50:36.639 --> 00:50:39.679 Yeah all right, I'm like Peyton remembers everybody. I'm sure 1141 00:50:39.719 --> 00:50:40.239 he remembers you. 1142 00:50:40.440 --> 00:50:43.519 Remember me, Yeah he did, you know, the Marcus remember me. 1143 00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:46.000 It was all good. But I just did that just 1144 00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:47.000 to say face. 1145 00:50:46.920 --> 00:50:48.800 Yeah, to where they don't have the puzzled look and 1146 00:50:48.840 --> 00:50:50.440 have to look down at your name tag and break 1147 00:50:50.519 --> 00:50:51.119 up again. 1148 00:50:51.119 --> 00:50:52.079 Right right right right? 1149 00:50:52.760 --> 00:50:55.719 Yeah, you know I do Yeah, No, I do that 1150 00:50:55.760 --> 00:50:57.360 all the time because I'm like, just in case, I 1151 00:50:57.360 --> 00:50:58.760 know I've talked to you, well, I did the same 1152 00:50:58.800 --> 00:51:01.119 with you. I'm like, hey, a while, but here we 1153 00:51:01.199 --> 00:51:03.960 are and our memories and we aren't weren't getting any younger. 1154 00:51:04.119 --> 00:51:05.079 Nah, no, we are yet. 1155 00:51:05.119 --> 00:51:07.079 We took either you took a few hits or you 1156 00:51:07.159 --> 00:51:08.840 made a few hits, and they all kind of add 1157 00:51:08.920 --> 00:51:09.360 up some time. 1158 00:51:09.480 --> 00:51:12.480 Yeah, yeah, they do. They all just come together. They 1159 00:51:12.519 --> 00:51:13.000 really do. 1160 00:51:13.280 --> 00:51:15.360 Well. Hey, thanks for taking the time. This was awesome. 1161 00:51:15.400 --> 00:51:17.039 I appreciate it. I know you're in for just a 1162 00:51:17.039 --> 00:51:19.000 little amount of time, and so I really appreciate you 1163 00:51:19.039 --> 00:51:19.719 giving me some of it. 1164 00:51:20.039 --> 00:51:22.599 Oh yes, ma'am. Yeah, thank you for having me. Yeah, 1165 00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:24.320 it's such a blessing to be on here and talking 1166 00:51:24.360 --> 00:51:24.639 to you. 1167 00:51:24.840 --> 00:51:29.360 Thanks Corey, Yeah, thank you, Thanks Corey. New episodes have, Cut, Traded, Fired, 1168 00:51:29.440 --> 00:51:33.280 Retired are released on Tuesdays. Please like and auto download 1169 00:51:33.280 --> 00:51:36.280 this podcast wherever you listen to podcasts and keep up 1170 00:51:36.320 --> 00:51:39.519 on new releases by following on Twitter and Instagram at 1171 00:51:39.559 --> 00:51:44.239 ctfur podcast and also the website ctfurpodcast dot com. I'm 1172 00:51:44.280 --> 00:51:46.440 your host, Susie Warton. Thanks for taking the time to 1173 00:51:46.480 --> 00:51:50.079 listen and share this podcast. Until the next episode, Please 1174 00:51:50.119 --> 00:51:52.840 be careful, be safe, and be kind. Take care