Full Transcript for 2024 NFL Scouting Combine Preview

people, 30 00:02:02.159 --> 00:02:05.239 We're gonna talk and it's gonna be it's gonna be a lot of fun. 31 00:02:05.239 --> 00:02:07.879 So I'm just very thankful, grateful to Cover one again being able to 32 00:02:07.879 --> 00:02:13.840 be here just in general to do this. So and obviously I feel pretty 33 00:02:14.520 --> 00:02:20.120 pretty heartbroken that we're not going to go together. But everyone that's gonna be 34 00:02:20.159 --> 00:02:22.719 able to go to the draft, you know, it's in Michigan, so 35 00:02:23.199 --> 00:02:25.599 that's gonna be pretty cool for you guys, and hopefully going forward we get 36 00:02:25.599 --> 00:02:30.199 some more of these big events together. Yeah, man, I totally agree. 37 00:02:30.199 --> 00:02:32.280 It's really exciting that you're going to get to go though and represent us 38 00:02:32.280 --> 00:02:37.479 down there, and yeah, what a cool experience. Hopefully next year maybe 39 00:02:37.479 --> 00:02:39.240 we can convince the NFL to give us two credentials. Yeah, we can 40 00:02:39.280 --> 00:02:43.319 both kill But yeah, the NFL Draft will be in Detroit. I live 41 00:02:43.319 --> 00:02:46.879 in Grand Rapid. It's about a two hour drive, so I'll be crashing 42 00:02:46.879 --> 00:02:50.159 the party over there come draft time. I'm sure awesome. But it's a 43 00:02:50.159 --> 00:02:53.039 big week. Man, I'm excited. We got all the big names are 44 00:02:53.080 --> 00:02:57.719 going to be down there. A couple deciding not to work out, including 45 00:02:58.240 --> 00:03:01.199 the top trio of No No, the top two of quarterbacks, all this 46 00:03:01.199 --> 00:03:07.840 a sudden not to work out yep. So the Caleb Williams, Drake May 47 00:03:09.120 --> 00:03:13.800 Jaden Daniel's tier of quarterbacks have all decided they're not going to throw, and 48 00:03:14.000 --> 00:03:16.439 two of the top three wide receivers have also decided that they're not going to 49 00:03:16.520 --> 00:03:23.800 work out with Marvin Harrison Junior and Elak Neighbors. But Romadoonese he's going to 50 00:03:23.840 --> 00:03:25.520 be on the field, so big opportunity for him to show his stuff. 51 00:03:27.080 --> 00:03:29.719 Let's get into kind of what we're excited about to see this week, maybe 52 00:03:29.800 --> 00:03:31.960 some top prospects that you're looking forward to seeing in person. What are you 53 00:03:31.960 --> 00:03:35.199 thinking, Well, I was gonna say before we even get there, what 54 00:03:35.199 --> 00:03:38.560 do you think about these top guys not participating? Because this is a talking 55 00:03:38.599 --> 00:03:44.240 point. Now we're seeing more common, especially with Bowl participants not performing in 56 00:03:44.280 --> 00:03:46.719 those Bowl games. So we're seeing hot, top guys not performing Bowls. 57 00:03:46.919 --> 00:03:50.439 Now, we're seeing the guys that you're like, you know, I don't 58 00:03:50.479 --> 00:03:53.199 need to do this because you guys have tape on me. You know what 59 00:03:53.240 --> 00:03:55.879 I can do, but others maybe not so much there. So I want 60 00:03:55.879 --> 00:04:00.680 to get your take on what you think about these players and then not participating 61 00:04:00.680 --> 00:04:04.680 in the combine events. So I saw a video making the rounds this morning 62 00:04:05.280 --> 00:04:09.759 because all the front offices, all the players, they're already down in Indie 63 00:04:09.800 --> 00:04:12.919 stuff doesn't kick off on the field until Thursday, but they're all down there, 64 00:04:13.039 --> 00:04:15.840 so there's been a lot of media coming out of Indianapolis this week. 65 00:04:15.199 --> 00:04:20.240 I saw the general manager of the Cardinals this morning a clip making the rounds 66 00:04:20.240 --> 00:04:24.040 where he was asked about some of these the same things, some of these 67 00:04:24.040 --> 00:04:27.600 players deciding not to work out and stuff like that, and he basically said, 68 00:04:27.600 --> 00:04:30.439 you know, from my perspective, I want as much information as I 69 00:04:30.439 --> 00:04:34.160 can get, So you're going to have to make the decisions that we make 70 00:04:34.199 --> 00:04:38.439 with the information that's available to us. It's a personal decision for these guys, 71 00:04:38.839 --> 00:04:41.000 you know, it's up to them whether or not they want to do 72 00:04:41.000 --> 00:04:43.800 what I get that, but for us, we want as much info as 73 00:04:43.800 --> 00:04:45.920 we can get, you know. And then he went on to say how 74 00:04:45.920 --> 00:04:46.959 good it is that they still going to sit down with them and interview and 75 00:04:46.959 --> 00:04:49.519 stuff like that, and that is a big part of this week. Big 76 00:04:49.519 --> 00:04:53.720 part of this week is how they interview with the teams. But I thought 77 00:04:53.759 --> 00:04:57.000 it was very interesting to hear a general manager come out and say like, 78 00:04:57.079 --> 00:05:00.480 Hey, this is a piece of the puzzle. This is information that that 79 00:05:00.680 --> 00:05:04.000 we will we will gladly take and accept and we want as much info as 80 00:05:04.000 --> 00:05:11.600 we can. So I don't think that it necessarily impacts their their stock per 81 00:05:11.680 --> 00:05:15.879 se. But when you're in the room, when you're when you're there, 82 00:05:15.879 --> 00:05:18.600 you're making your selections, you know, on on draft night, well the 83 00:05:18.720 --> 00:05:23.360 last impression kind of does matter a little bit. I'm sure it'll be fresh 84 00:05:23.360 --> 00:05:27.600 in the mind. So if the if A if A team is trying to 85 00:05:27.639 --> 00:05:31.399 decide between Roma Dunze and Malik Neighbors, Let's say that that's the conversation that's 86 00:05:31.399 --> 00:05:35.639 being had and Roma Dunze goes down there to Indy and he balls out and 87 00:05:35.680 --> 00:05:40.639 he makes some spectacular catches and stuff like that. Maybe he's able to showcase 88

00:05:40.639 --> 00:05:44.000 a little bit more athleticism. Then then people are kind of giving him credit 89 00:05:44.040 --> 00:05:46.079 for it at this point in the process. Maybe it's enough to move the 90 00:05:46.120 --> 00:05:49.720 needle. So where you're talking about guys that are in a similar tier of 91 00:05:49.879 --> 00:05:55.839 player, but one does something that the other one doesn't do late in the 92 00:05:55.839 --> 00:05:59.360 process, maybe it's enough to just give that that edge to that player. 93 00:05:59.480 --> 00:06:02.480 So again, this is a personal decision for these guys whether they decide to 94 00:06:02.519 --> 00:06:06.279 work out or not. But at the same time, I'm kind of in 95 00:06:06.279 --> 00:06:11.240 the camp of the Cardinals GM there that I personally, I want as much 96 00:06:11.240 --> 00:06:14.199 info as I can get, And while forty time doesn't really matter to me 97 00:06:14.279 --> 00:06:17.680 that much, it's all information. If someone runs a faster forty, then 98 00:06:17.720 --> 00:06:20.120 you thought that he ran on the field, It's like, Okay, well 99 00:06:20.160 --> 00:06:24.800 he has that speed in him, so what's holding him back from play speed? 100 00:06:25.079 --> 00:06:29.519 It just it's it's more input to go into the algorithm. So I 101 00:06:29.560 --> 00:06:32.279 think an interesting conversation. I do think it is something we're going to continue 102 00:06:32.279 --> 00:06:35.399 to see more and more of as time goes on. But you know, 103 00:06:35.439 --> 00:06:38.360 I'm kind of bummed that we're not going to get to see those guys on 104 00:06:38.360 --> 00:06:42.040 the field. Yeah, I'm bummed too. And we can actually kind of 105 00:06:42.319 --> 00:06:47.120 directly equate this to a few players that were drafted maybe above their really willingness. 106 00:06:47.160 --> 00:06:50.160 And obviously we talk about guys like John Ross, Darius Heyworth, Hun 107 00:06:50.319 --> 00:06:54.639 Henry Ruggs. These guys came out and they blew up the combine and especially 108 00:06:54.639 --> 00:06:58.759 with the athletic and the speed standpoint. So you can very much impact your 109 00:06:58.879 --> 00:07:03.519 draft stock by having a really good week here at the at the Combine with 110 00:07:04.319 --> 00:07:10.240 just a forty times sometimes that's all it takes. And sometimes guy teams fall 111 00:07:10.279 --> 00:07:14.240 in love, GM's fall in love. And as much as we as evaluators 112 00:07:14.240 --> 00:07:17.079 want to pull ourselves away from the forty times and all of the stuff that 113 00:07:17.120 --> 00:07:21.600 happens at the combine on the field without any paths or anything, it's tough. 114 00:07:23.319 --> 00:07:25.959 It really is tough. Because you go back and you said, at 115 00:07:26.040 --> 00:07:29.399 least we can use it to reevaluate some of the things that we see. 116 00:07:29.439 --> 00:07:31.279 We say, Okay, I didn't see this on tape. Let me go 117 00:07:31.360 --> 00:07:33.800 back and see if I can find it. Like if I can find that 118 00:07:33.839 --> 00:07:36.600 short shot off, I can find that three conf I can find that ten 119 00:07:36.680 --> 00:07:42.920 yard split, which is one of my most interesting aspects of watching the combine 120 00:07:42.920 --> 00:07:46.240 and the ten yard splits for everybody. I love explosively big guys. Yeah, 121 00:07:46.279 --> 00:07:48.120 I love it. Guys, give me a ten yard split on the 122 00:07:48.120 --> 00:07:51.040 offensive lineman. I'm a sucker for that number. I love it, love 123 00:07:51.079 --> 00:07:55.360 that, especially for those defensive tackles, you know, they just they can 124 00:07:55.600 --> 00:07:59.079 explode into an offensive lineman. That kind of stuff makes me excited. So 125 00:07:59.319 --> 00:08:01.199 I see all the and I'm just like, all right, I need to 126 00:08:01.199 --> 00:08:05.160 go back and evaluate and see. Sometimes I don't feel like gms do that. 127 00:08:05.399 --> 00:08:07.600 I feel like they say that guy run a four to three, I'm 128 00:08:07.600 --> 00:08:11.279 gonna go and draft him, and we've seen it end up happening. So 129 00:08:11.879 --> 00:08:18.120 while I understand the players are like, look, you guys with GPS and 130 00:08:18.480 --> 00:08:22.399 on field performance stuff at college, you have all the data, all the 131 00:08:22.480 --> 00:08:26.040 data. You don't need me to run at the combine, especially with some 132 00:08:26.160 --> 00:08:31.960 of the let's just say interesting storylines that I have heard about forty times that 133 00:08:33.000 --> 00:08:37.240 have come out that don't paint the NFL in the best light. Maybe they 134 00:08:37.279 --> 00:08:45.840 don't want their times being tampered with in a different way. Now, speculation 135 00:08:46.080 --> 00:08:48.960 aside, these pro days will come down. We'll get to see them run 136 00:08:48.080 --> 00:08:50.559 at the end of the day. Some of them probably won't do it. 137 00:08:50.600 --> 00:08:54.720 But for me, like you said, I like having a lot of information 138 00:08:54.879 --> 00:08:58.039 and if we get something in these testing drills where we're like, yeah, 139 00:08:58.080 --> 00:09:01.480 I didn't get to see that, or I really helped to reaffirm I have 140 00:09:01.519 --> 00:09:05.000 a belief it didn't show it all the time, but he has it there. 141 00:09:05.039 --> 00:09:07.759 Like if he runs a three cone and it's a really good three cone 142 00:09:07.759 --> 00:09:11.200 and you're like, this guy wasn't asked to run a lot of routes or 143 00:09:11.240 --> 00:09:16.399 he wasn't asked to change direction a lot. Okay, I have actual evidence 144 00:09:16.480 --> 00:09:18.559 to suggest he can do that, and we can translate that a little bit 145 00:09:18.559 --> 00:09:22.720 better. So just exactly pieces to the puzzle like you're talking about. So 146 00:09:22.919 --> 00:09:24.399 it's it's fun. We'll see what happens.

But at the end of the 147 00:09:24.519 --> 00:09:28.320 day, I just like watching these guys run and do their drills. So 148 00:09:28.360 --> 00:09:31.080 it's always a little bit of a disappointment at times. It's the underwear Olympics, 149 00:09:31.120 --> 00:09:33.720 and I love it so much. It's like one of my favorite weeks 150 00:09:33.720 --> 00:09:37.919 of the year. I'm just a sucker for this. I'll be glued to 151 00:09:37.080 --> 00:09:39.799 NFL Network. Oh yeah, all week long. It's gonna be great. 152 00:09:41.240 --> 00:09:43.679 You know, just Rich Eyes and Daniel Jeremiah just hearing all the guys chop 153 00:09:43.720 --> 00:09:46.960 it up, break down the players, what we see from them. It's 154 00:09:48.000 --> 00:09:50.159 just awesome. I love this. This is this is what we do. 155 00:09:50.320 --> 00:09:54.919 We're Cover one Draft weekly. The draft process is our like, baby, 156 00:09:54.960 --> 00:09:58.679 we love this stuff. So this is this is the holiday season here for 157 00:10:00.159 --> 00:10:03.399 Cover one Draft Network. Maybe it's good stuff. We're only like two months 158 00:10:03.399 --> 00:10:05.759 from the draft, which is terrifying. So that's that's exciting. Hey, 159 00:10:05.759 --> 00:10:09.080 real quick, before we before we get into some of the players, I 160 00:10:09.120 --> 00:10:13.039 want to talk about Chicago because we have a legal obligation to reference the Chicago 161 00:10:13.039 --> 00:10:20.320 Bears every single episode. Ryan, Yeah, come on, come on, 162 00:10:20.639 --> 00:10:22.840 come on, just get in your Poles. Let's just talk it up. 163 00:10:22.879 --> 00:10:26.960 Let's just ask the hard question directly. I'm sure I can find his email 164 00:10:26.960 --> 00:10:31.759 address. But Ryan Poles last year, let's look back, so we know 165 00:10:31.759 --> 00:10:33.840 two years in a run now that Chicago Bears have had the first overall pick 166 00:10:33.960 --> 00:10:39.279 last year on their own this year via the trade of last year's first overall 167 00:10:39.279 --> 00:10:43.600 pick, and they have Carolinas. Last year, it was March tenth that 168 00:10:43.720 --> 00:10:48.279 Ryan Poles pulled the trigger on the trade with Carolina, sending the first overall 169 00:10:48.320 --> 00:10:54.519 pick down there for one ten a slew of other picks in Dj Moore. 170 00:10:54.159 --> 00:11:00.000 That was four days after the combine ended. So now we're hearing that Ryan 171 00:11:00.360 --> 00:11:03.639 is saying, if they do decide to move on from justin Field, it's 172 00:11:03.639 --> 00:11:05.519 a big if, But if they do, they want to make sure that 173 00:11:05.559 --> 00:11:09.600 they're doing right by him. They want to make sure that they're trading him 174 00:11:09.960 --> 00:11:13.679 before a free agency starts. What do you think of all this with what 175 00:11:13.720 --> 00:11:16.919 we know, what we saw from Poles last year in the timing of the 176 00:11:16.960 --> 00:11:20.039 deal, and how things are shaken out this year with the field situation in 177 00:11:20.120 --> 00:11:24.039 Caleb and Poles saying, we have no concerns about kelb Williams wanting to play 178 00:11:24.080 --> 00:11:28.039 in Chicago or not. What are your thoughts on this in terms of the 179 00:11:28.080 --> 00:11:31.720 timeline that we're looking at for what could happen with Chicago. Yeah, I 180 00:11:31.720 --> 00:11:35.559 think that as early as Friday we could see a trade happen. I think 181 00:11:35.600 --> 00:11:39.440 that that's kind of the beginning of March is like, all right, guys, 182 00:11:39.480 --> 00:11:41.639 here we go. This is opening up. And really what this was 183 00:11:41.639 --> 00:11:46.519 was Ryan Pouls opening the floor to every NFL team from the combine start for 184 00:11:46.600 --> 00:11:50.679 his is press conference, saying, look, we're open. We did this 185 00:11:50.759 --> 00:11:56.120 last year, and we have like a two week stretch from now until the 186 00:11:56.200 --> 00:12:00.200 tenth where you said that he traded the first last year. This this is 187 00:12:00.200 --> 00:12:05.240 the two weeks that it's gonna happen. I don't agency starts on March thirteenth, 188 00:12:05.559 --> 00:12:11.559 It's it's going to happen before it starts, and we're gonna know what 189 00:12:11.879 --> 00:12:15.320 happens here. So we have a few days, I think where he's gonna 190 00:12:15.360 --> 00:12:18.759 have some meetings. But I think as early as Friday we could see the 191 00:12:18.799 --> 00:12:24.120 first overall pick traded and not the first ap pickures we just In Fields traded 192 00:12:24.240 --> 00:12:28.879 afore, and I think that we assume at this point that the Chicago Bears 193 00:12:28.879 --> 00:12:33.480 are going to be at number at number one, taking Caleb Williams. So 194 00:12:33.799 --> 00:12:37.679 all this just leads to the same area where we've kind of slowly worked to 195 00:12:37.120 --> 00:12:43.000 over the course of the last few months, and the Chicago Bears, barring 196 00:12:43.440 --> 00:12:48.080 any significant news, I think Justin Fields expects to be elsewhere as well. 197 00:12:48.200 --> 00:12:50.960 It all depends on who's going to come up and say we are going to 198 00:12:50.039 --> 00:12:52.519 give you a second round pick, because I think at the end of the 199 00:12:52.600 --> 00:12:56.440 day that might be what gets it done. How high is it going to 200 00:12:56.519 --> 00:12:58.919 be, Where is it, you know, in relation to the thirty, 201 00:13:00.440 --> 00:13:01.799 the forties, all that kind of stuff that we're going to find out in 202 00:13:01.799 --> 00:13:03.840 the next couple of a couple of days. I think, like, I 203 00:13:03.840 --> 00:13:07.759 really think it's gonna happen earlier than the tenth. So I'm excited to see 204 00:13:07.759 --> 00:13:11.279 what happens. Yeah, I have the same feeling. I think this is 205 00:13:11.360 --> 00:13:16.679 gonna happen very very

quickly, and if if it doesn't happen, then there 206 00:13:16.759 --> 00:13:18.679 just throws more fuel on the fire to them. Maybe they are running with 207 00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:22.840 Fields. Yeah, maybe maybe they're Maybe that's the way that they want to 208 00:13:22.840 --> 00:13:26.879 go, because if they don't move him before free agency, polls just said 209 00:13:26.159 --> 00:13:28.399 like, they're gonna want to make a choice, and if they're gonna move 210 00:13:28.399 --> 00:13:31.759 on from Fields, they want to do right by himn't trade him before free 211 00:13:31.799 --> 00:13:37.559 agency starts. So if that doesn't happen, whoah, baby, it gets 212 00:13:37.600 --> 00:13:41.399 interesting. Maybe the one O one is for sale. Maybe it's maybe those 213 00:13:41.480 --> 00:13:45.320 other teams free agency rolls around. Fields is still a Bear. They start 214 00:13:45.360 --> 00:13:50.279 calling and going, hey, y'all didn't move on from Justin, what's up 215 00:13:50.320 --> 00:13:52.519 with that one O one? Give me talk? What's the price? And 216 00:13:52.559 --> 00:13:56.759 we start having some interesting conversations. A team that I just yeah, exactly, 217 00:13:56.879 --> 00:14:01.519 Washington moving up just one pick would be great. I mean, listen, 218 00:14:01.600 --> 00:14:05.080 last year, Bears fans drooled about the potential of a double trade down 219 00:14:05.279 --> 00:14:09.720 from one oh one. Yeah, if Fields doesn't get moved, we're gonna 220 00:14:09.720 --> 00:14:13.799 be drooling about the same situation. Right about seeing those Bears fans clamoring for 221 00:14:15.200 --> 00:14:18.159 Washington just to move up, or New England to move up and then move 222 00:14:18.200 --> 00:14:22.759 the number two or number three pick to another quarterback needy team like Atlanta sitting 223 00:14:22.799 --> 00:14:24.600 there at eight, you know what I mean? And maybe I don't know, 224 00:14:24.679 --> 00:14:28.320 but like, it's gonna be very very interesting to see what's gonna end 225 00:14:28.399 --> 00:14:31.039 up happening with the quarterback market. Atlanta is one of those teams that I 226 00:14:31.080 --> 00:14:33.960 could see being in the Justin Fields market. We've talked about that before. 227 00:14:33.519 --> 00:14:37.440 Minnesota is another one that I could see being very interesting with the Kirk Cousins 228 00:14:37.440 --> 00:14:41.200 contract scenario. Both of them would have early to mid second round picks, 229 00:14:41.200 --> 00:14:46.840 so it would be an expensive pick to give up for Justin but you're looking 230 00:14:46.879 --> 00:14:50.679 at getting a high upside quarterback that hopefully you're turning into a franchise face. 231 00:14:50.720 --> 00:14:54.559 So very interesting. I think we're gonna know a lot a lot in the 232 00:14:54.600 --> 00:14:58.320 next week, in particular, maybe it stretches toward that March thirteenth deadline. 233 00:15:00.279 --> 00:15:03.159 So yeah, this next

couple of weeks for the Struggle Bears, the fan 234 00:15:03.240 --> 00:15:07.480 base, everybody is gonna be very valuable information. Obviously, with free agency 235 00:15:07.519 --> 00:15:11.639 opening up almost you know, just over two weeks, a lot of things 236 00:15:11.639 --> 00:15:15.559 are gonna change. We're gonna get to talk about how teams draft needs change 237 00:15:15.600 --> 00:15:18.600 after free agency. That's gonna be a lot of fun. But for right 238 00:15:18.639 --> 00:15:22.480 now, let's focus back in on this draft. And there's a lot of 239 00:15:22.480 --> 00:15:30.120 players that have opportunities this week too, like we talked about with John Ross 240 00:15:30.279 --> 00:15:35.080 and Darius Hayward Bay and to an extent, a lot of these Henry Ruggs 241 00:15:35.200 --> 00:15:37.080 kind of players, guys that get drafted in the first round that maybe we 242 00:15:37.120 --> 00:15:41.559 don't expect. And a lot of that has to do with what's gonna go 243 00:15:41.600 --> 00:15:45.440 down this week, interviews, medicals, and then on field performances. So 244 00:15:46.679 --> 00:15:50.799 who are you most looking forward to? And now we don't have the top 245 00:15:50.840 --> 00:15:54.919 three quarterbacks throwing, but there's a lot of players here that have the opportunity 246 00:15:54.919 --> 00:15:58.279 to impress. So who are you most looking forward to watching in this next 247 00:15:58.320 --> 00:16:03.279 week of specifically on field drills. That's such a load of question. There's 248 00:16:03.279 --> 00:16:07.000 so many names that I look at it depending on the position, but I'm 249 00:16:07.000 --> 00:16:10.960 gonna I'm gonna go with JJ McCarthy. Let's keep that conversation because we've been 250 00:16:10.960 --> 00:16:15.879 talking about him for two months now. JJ McCarthy, by all accounts could 251 00:16:15.879 --> 00:16:21.039 solidify himself very quickly as the number four quarterback in this draft class or maybe 252 00:16:21.039 --> 00:16:25.080 the number three potentially. I think that would be a leap. But he's 253 00:16:25.080 --> 00:16:26.399 going to be there. He's going to be throwing. You never know, 254 00:16:26.440 --> 00:16:32.240 maybe a team's not sold on Jaden Daniels and his you know, five year 255 00:16:32.919 --> 00:16:36.559 career and stuff like that. Like, who knows, it's possible. Anything's 256 00:16:36.600 --> 00:16:40.240 possible at the quarterback position just depends on the flavor of quarterback that they're looking 257 00:16:40.279 --> 00:16:44.600 at. Right. I mean, we've seen shocks at quarterback all the time. 258 00:16:44.759 --> 00:16:48.039 Daniel Jones, Mitch Trubisky, the list goes on. But JJ McCarthy. 259 00:16:48.720 --> 00:16:52.960 We we saw Bonix and we saw Michael Pennox junior down in Mobile and 260 00:16:53.000 --> 00:16:56.440 they didn't look great. JJ McCarthy can come out here and with the throwing 261 00:16:56.519 --> 00:17:00.360 drills that he can do, has an opportunity to really show out because it's 262 00:17:00.399 --> 00:17:04.759 basically just him versus those two guys essentially for the top of the quarterback draft 263 00:17:04.799 --> 00:17:10.519 class that's going to be throwing. If those three in some combination are throwing 264 00:17:10.559 --> 00:17:15.920 anywhere around each other. Let's see Pennix, Nicks, and McCarthy, they're 265 00:17:15.920 --> 00:17:18.799 all like, alphabetically speaking, they're gonna be throwing in really really short secession. 266 00:17:18.799 --> 00:17:21.960 That just dawned on me. That's gonna be cool. So we're gonna 267 00:17:21.960 --> 00:17:26.400 get to see them really really close together, probably in these throwing drills. 268 00:17:26.200 --> 00:17:30.559 McCarthy has a huge opportunity to surge up draft boards, and we've been hearing 269 00:17:30.559 --> 00:17:33.119 a ton of rumors over the last few weeks about teams loving him. We've 270 00:17:33.119 --> 00:17:37.680 seen him mocked in the first round. We've seen a lot of love for 271 00:17:37.759 --> 00:17:40.559 JJ and we've been talking about it. I thought he could have used another 272 00:17:40.680 --> 00:17:42.359 year to go back and really polish some stuff up. But at the same 273 00:17:42.400 --> 00:17:47.640 time, the flashes are great. It's the other inconsistencies that are a little 274 00:17:47.680 --> 00:17:51.960 bit worrisome. But teams like flashes. They like the upside, and if 275 00:17:51.960 --> 00:17:55.359 they see a high upside in McCarthy, he's got a real opportunity, I 276 00:17:55.359 --> 00:17:57.680 think, to be in that next tier down of quarterbacks, but maybe be 277 00:17:57.799 --> 00:18:03.599 a mid teams to twenty overall draft pick. Yeah, I think I'm thinking 278 00:18:03.599 --> 00:18:07.720 about what happens if he runs a sub four six forty, Like what happens 279 00:18:07.759 --> 00:18:10.599 if he's covering around that four five forty. Teams are gonna be like, 280 00:18:10.680 --> 00:18:14.680 oh, I didn't expect him to have that in his bag, but wasn't 281 00:18:14.680 --> 00:18:18.440 familiar with your game exactly. That's the kind of thing that we're seeing here. 282 00:18:18.519 --> 00:18:21.160 So I like the JJ McCarthy. It is kind of little hanging fruit 283 00:18:21.160 --> 00:18:26.480 because everyone's expecting JJ to kind of really solidify himself as one of the guys 284 00:18:26.480 --> 00:18:29.920 he could be. I would like to see him maybe as a mid first 285 00:18:29.960 --> 00:18:32.759 round pick, because then he goes somewhere where he would get a year. 286 00:18:33.200 --> 00:18:37.519 I don't I personally don't want him to be starting right away because I do 287 00:18:37.640 --> 00:18:42.079 think that sitting behind a guy like Geno Smith in Seattle would be a fantastic 288 00:18:42.119 --> 00:18:47.559 way to him to get better. But we love I love JJ McCarthy. 289 00:18:47.599 --> 00:18:49.519 I think he's going to be a good NFL

quarterback. Landing spout will be 290 00:18:49.640 --> 00:18:52.799 kind of important for him in time and things like that. But great opportunity 291 00:18:53.119 --> 00:18:57.480 this week to really improve that draft stock. Let's look at the wide receivers. 292 00:18:57.680 --> 00:19:02.119 We know that the top guy are are who they are, but there 293 00:19:02.200 --> 00:19:06.119 are a really good chunk after the top three or four. No matter how 294 00:19:06.160 --> 00:19:08.160 you cut this, how many you slice us, there is a team, 295 00:19:08.279 --> 00:19:12.680 a teammates a couple of teammates in here from Florence State and Kean Coleman and 296 00:19:12.759 --> 00:19:18.400 Johnny Wilson that have an opportunity to really change the dynamic around them. I 297 00:19:18.400 --> 00:19:22.279 think both of them can have impressive days, they can also flop. They 298 00:19:22.400 --> 00:19:26.519 both have a lot at stake at these combine, at this combine, and 299 00:19:26.559 --> 00:19:30.559 it's a little unfair to them to put so much on a combine performance, 300 00:19:30.559 --> 00:19:33.359 but in reality, that's what this is. So those guys I'm looking forward 301 00:19:33.359 --> 00:19:37.039 to watching. You guys know how we feel about their game, but this 302 00:19:37.119 --> 00:19:41.039 is an opportunity to showcase the athletic ability, the speed that I think both 303 00:19:41.079 --> 00:19:45.839 of them do have. Even for a guy like Wilson who's six sixty seven 304 00:19:45.039 --> 00:19:48.559 sixty six, he has that there too. And then Xavier Leget that other 305 00:19:48.880 --> 00:19:52.440 athletic type of wide receiver that people are like, well, is he is 306 00:19:52.480 --> 00:19:55.960 he? Really? There? Is he that kind of player? How fast 307 00:19:56.000 --> 00:19:59.440 is he gonna run? Obviously a Senior Bowl injury kind of brought him off 308 00:19:59.440 --> 00:20:03.680 the field day two. So those three guys I'm looking forward to seeing specifically 309 00:20:03.680 --> 00:20:08.720 from that like top fifty ish tier. I think Wilson's probably not going top 310 00:20:08.759 --> 00:20:14.640 fifty, but I just quot I just bunched him with Keon because of the 311 00:20:14.759 --> 00:20:18.960 teammates. So those guys I'm very interested to see this week too. Exaviero 312 00:20:18.079 --> 00:20:22.440 Get is one of those guys where if he is fully healthy and we don't 313 00:20:22.440 --> 00:20:23.880 know, I haven't seen any reports about it, but if he is fully 314 00:20:23.920 --> 00:20:29.599 healthy getting down there and does all the on field work, his athleticism could 315 00:20:29.599 --> 00:20:33.599 make him some money this week. I mean, he is physical, he's 316 00:20:33.680 --> 00:20:38.720 built, he rocks the crop top because abs apparently some more money he is 317 00:20:41.200 --> 00:20:45.319 it is, It's just he's he is all about that and he's going to 318 00:20:45.359 --> 00:20:48.119 show up looking like a

dude. And if he's out there running well and 319 00:20:48.200 --> 00:20:52.839 tearing it up and doing a great job, then he could really help himself 320 00:20:52.839 --> 00:20:56.640 after a kind of shaky Senior Bowl performance where he was battling through some injuries. 321 00:20:57.160 --> 00:21:00.640 Yeah, there's another pair of teammate white receivers, one of which we've 322 00:21:00.640 --> 00:21:06.279 already discussed on the Show Out of Texas with Xavier Worthy. I'm curious to 323 00:21:06.279 --> 00:21:10.079 see what Ady Mitchell ad Nin Mitchell, what he looks like on the field 324 00:21:10.079 --> 00:21:12.279 down there. I've been doing a little bit more homework on him lately. 325 00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:18.599 He's intriguing, He's he's tall at six' four, he's slender at one 326 00:21:18.640 --> 00:21:22.440 p ninety. There's several wide receivers built kind of like that in this draft 327 00:21:22.559 --> 00:21:26.680 US. He doesn't have, in my opinion, the top end speed or 328 00:21:26.720 --> 00:21:30.279 explosiveness, or agility or athleticism as some of those other wide receivers. But 329 00:21:30.319 --> 00:21:33.160 I've been seeing a lot of talk about people thinking that he's a late first 330 00:21:33.240 --> 00:21:37.680 round draft pick. I don't see that. To me that that feels really 331 00:21:37.839 --> 00:21:41.160 really rich. But again, if he goes out there and if he does 332 00:21:41.160 --> 00:21:45.079 show that he has good athleticism, then maybe it's something where people go back 333 00:21:45.119 --> 00:21:49.359 and take a look. Or he can showcase that he can track the ball. 334 00:21:49.400 --> 00:21:52.279 Well, that's something that I saw on film a couple times that I 335 00:21:52.319 --> 00:21:56.200 wasn't in love with some issues that looked like with ball tracking. So we'll 336 00:21:56.240 --> 00:21:57.319 see. I'm curious see what is going to look like on the field though. 337 00:21:57.680 --> 00:22:04.160 I think though a more realistic scenario is that he isn't as athletic as 338 00:22:04.200 --> 00:22:07.480 maybe some people are thinking that he is, and he you know, just 339 00:22:07.519 --> 00:22:14.000 has kind of some very average athletic testing numbers, and in which case maybe 340 00:22:14.039 --> 00:22:18.039 it kind of pulls his his stock down into that day two range where I 341 00:22:18.039 --> 00:22:22.640 feel a little bit more comfortable with him. I'm curious though about Aid Mitchell 342 00:22:22.680 --> 00:22:23.720 and what he's going to look like on the field. The other one being 343 00:22:23.839 --> 00:22:29.119 Xavier Worthy, who I'm fully expected to just torch stuff and put down some 344 00:22:29.160 --> 00:22:32.880 big numbers. Yeah, for me, if Ad comes out and he runs 345 00:22:33.440 --> 00:22:36.039 like a four or five or a sub four or five, that's going to 346 00:22:36.079 --> 00:22:41.000 solidify him as a top fifty player for a lot of gms and teams because 347 00:22:41.319 --> 00:22:45.519 the athletic ability, the hip sinking, the in and out of break stuff 348 00:22:45.559 --> 00:22:48.480 is all there on his tape already, so that will really sell them that 349 00:22:48.559 --> 00:22:51.559 yes, okay, he can still give you some of that vertical appeal, 350 00:22:51.759 --> 00:22:53.440 and he's not just going to be a guy that might end up being a 351 00:22:53.440 --> 00:22:57.680 big slot in the NFL or an intermediate weapon, and I don't see the 352 00:22:59.519 --> 00:23:02.680 usage as a YAK player. So if he can make himself some money this 353 00:23:02.759 --> 00:23:06.559 week as a vertical possible threat, that helps him a lot. And these 354 00:23:06.799 --> 00:23:08.640 verify a lot with these a lot of what these gms and teams are looking 355 00:23:08.640 --> 00:23:15.599 for. So I think that those wide receivers in the top fifty sixty ish 356 00:23:15.720 --> 00:23:19.119 range are a very interesting looking a little bit at the running backs and offensive 357 00:23:19.119 --> 00:23:23.559 line because I think that these running backs are like there's so many different paths 358 00:23:23.599 --> 00:23:27.599 that these guys can take. I'm most interested in seeing what Blake Koran brings 359 00:23:27.599 --> 00:23:33.319 to the table. If Blake Korm has a fantastic day at the combine on 360 00:23:33.359 --> 00:23:37.079 the field and he runs like us a four. If he runs a four 361 00:23:37.119 --> 00:23:41.519 to five, we are all in. I'm all in on Blake Korm. 362 00:23:41.519 --> 00:23:42.759 If it's a four to six, we're like, Okay, that's what we 363 00:23:42.880 --> 00:23:47.960 expected. I expect around a four to six because he did have that long 364 00:23:48.039 --> 00:23:49.640 speed kind of zapped from his injuries. But if he can come in, 365 00:23:52.160 --> 00:23:55.839 we see that explosiveness, we see a little bit of a trimmed down Blake 366 00:23:55.960 --> 00:24:00.440 Korm woild will be something because he's playing what to twenty five? Two thirty 367 00:24:00.680 --> 00:24:03.920 ish? Is that what I think? I got him listed that heavy, 368 00:24:04.000 --> 00:24:11.039 but he's a big guy for a shorter running back, so listed him at 369 00:24:11.079 --> 00:24:15.079 two ten. He's bigger than two ten. He's definitely not. Maybe if 370 00:24:15.079 --> 00:24:18.640 he weighs into ten, we're gonna see a faster forty time from the mats 371 00:24:18.640 --> 00:24:22.559 for sure. But I think he's someone I'm very interested in. Will Shipley 372 00:24:23.000 --> 00:24:29.079 also has another big opportunity this week to make a lot of money with speed 373 00:24:29.160 --> 00:24:33.240 athleticism, because multiple times over the last couple of years at Clemson he's shown 374 00:24:33.480 --> 00:24:36.880 that he can do all of it. He can do everything in that offense, 375 00:24:37.039 --> 00:24:41.039 ca catch the ball. Being that speed guy, he still can take 376 00:24:41.279 --> 00:24:44.880

you know, he can break away from some of these defensive players. So 377 00:24:45.119 --> 00:24:48.000 those two running backs I'm very interested in seeing. And there's an offensive lineman 378 00:24:48.200 --> 00:24:53.400 that has lost a lot of shine from this past season. It's Kingsley. 379 00:24:55.920 --> 00:25:04.319 I had his name pronunciation written down and let me see h Ohia out of 380 00:25:04.359 --> 00:25:11.039 BYU, who was on Bruce Feldman's freak list. Don't forget he was actually 381 00:25:11.039 --> 00:25:14.720 on the list. So this is an opportunity for him to say, hey, 382 00:25:14.799 --> 00:25:18.319 hey guys, well don't forget about me. Two years ago, I 383 00:25:18.359 --> 00:25:22.000 didn't allow a single pressure at BYU. And they say he's a better athlete 384 00:25:22.039 --> 00:25:26.400 than Blake Freeman, who blew up the combine last year. And if he 385 00:25:26.480 --> 00:25:30.319 does the same thing, we are going to be having a conversation about Kingsley 386 00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:33.519 at the maybe end of the first round, maybe the top of the second 387 00:25:33.680 --> 00:25:41.079 because if those athletic traits are there, teams will just compete with each other 388 00:25:41.079 --> 00:25:45.680 to try and get these big athletic mover tackles. And I think that he's 389 00:25:45.880 --> 00:25:48.839 one of these guys that is going to surprise some people and can have a 390 00:25:48.880 --> 00:25:52.759 really, really good day. Yeah, there's a few teams around the league 391 00:25:52.759 --> 00:25:56.039 that love athleticism and they look at those athleticism numbers a lot. They look 392 00:25:56.079 --> 00:26:00.200 at like the rass the relative athletics score heavily. Chicago is one of them. 393 00:26:00.279 --> 00:26:04.319 So to me, he's someone to keep an eye on for Day two 394 00:26:04.359 --> 00:26:07.920 for Chicago if he falls into the second round. I want to I want 395 00:26:07.960 --> 00:26:11.400 to talk about a couple running backs as well. Actually I want to talk 396 00:26:11.400 --> 00:26:14.359 about three because there's so many of them. But Braylan Allen is another one 397 00:26:14.400 --> 00:26:18.720 of those top names that we haven't really mentioned yet, and he is huge. 398 00:26:18.480 --> 00:26:22.960 He was listed at six two, two thirty five. He's a monster 399 00:26:23.039 --> 00:26:26.680 of a running back man. I mean he's just huge. In twenty twenty 400 00:26:26.680 --> 00:26:30.880 one and twenty twenty two, he had back to back twelve hundred yard seasons. 401 00:26:30.440 --> 00:26:34.960 So the production profile, the size, the tackle breaking, he's really 402 00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:38.680 agile for his size too. He's not just a muscle like he can move. 403 00:26:40.319 --> 00:26:42.000 I'm curious to see what he looks like on the field in the athletic 404 00:26:42.000 --> 00:26:47.480 testing to go along with that size, because if he puts down really good 405 00:26:47.640 --> 00:26:51.920 testing numbers and like change a direction testing and stuff like that, not just 406 00:26:51.920 --> 00:26:55.599 straight line running to go along with that massive frame. At the running back 407 00:26:55.640 --> 00:26:59.279 position, I don't think there's any running back that gets drafted in round one. 408 00:26:59.319 --> 00:27:02.799 I haven't seen a sing that's talking about it. I haven't heard any 409 00:27:02.799 --> 00:27:06.039 buzz that indicates that way. But there's gonna be a little bit of a 410 00:27:06.119 --> 00:27:08.359 run on running backs in day two. In the second and third round. 411 00:27:08.920 --> 00:27:15.799 Braylan Allen could move himself into maybe that mid second round range with some really 412 00:27:15.839 --> 00:27:19.039 good athletic testing. I want to talk about a couple of other running backs 413 00:27:19.039 --> 00:27:23.279 that are smaller guys but who could potentially burn this thing up. One of 414 00:27:23.279 --> 00:27:26.000 them is Bucky Irving out of Oregon. I got to talk about all my 415 00:27:26.079 --> 00:27:30.240 organ guys, obviously it's what I do. But the other one is Jalen 416 00:27:30.279 --> 00:27:33.079 Wright. Jalen Wright was a name that I mentioned in our pre Senior Bowl 417 00:27:33.319 --> 00:27:37.960 episode because he's a running back out of Tennessee. He is fast fast. 418 00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:41.720 I think that he's going to go out there and run in the four threes 419 00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:48.119 and show that he has pass catching ability and really great agility. He's just 420 00:27:48.279 --> 00:27:52.960 so shifty and his ability to get up to speed in a hurry is awesome 421 00:27:52.079 --> 00:27:56.640 and make guys miss with that speed. So for these teams that are looking 422 00:27:56.680 --> 00:28:02.000 for that just lightning in the backfield type running back like the Jamior Gibbs, 423 00:28:02.200 --> 00:28:07.000 like the James Cook, the smaller running backs that are just dirty with their 424 00:28:07.079 --> 00:28:11.680 speed, Jalen Wright could be that kind of prototype for teams. Very rarely 425 00:28:11.720 --> 00:28:14.880 are teams drafting someone to be a true workhorse anymore. You're trying to complete 426 00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:18.039 a backfield with prototypes, and I think a lot of teams want this type 427 00:28:18.039 --> 00:28:23.559 of prototype in that room who has great speed, great verse, great hands, 428 00:28:23.880 --> 00:28:29.079 and can just be a dynamic playmaker out of some empty sets. You 429 00:28:29.079 --> 00:28:32.279 can probably line them up in the slot, you can move them around or 430 00:28:32.359 --> 00:28:34.839 motion him out of the backfield into a pass catching role. I think he's 431 00:28:34.839 --> 00:28:38.599 going to be a really interesting running back for sure. And these are running 432 00:28:38.599 --> 00:28:41.119 backs, so there's gonna be so many guys that catch you catch your eye. 433

00:28:41.559 --> 00:28:45.359 Guys you don't know are gonna run for three. Just be prepared because 434 00:28:45.400 --> 00:28:48.759 there's gonna be guys that I don't know that are running four to three out 435 00:28:48.759 --> 00:28:52.240 there. And I'm excited about seeing all these different guys. But really quickly, 436 00:28:52.359 --> 00:28:53.920 I want you to give me a couple of players on the offensive side 437 00:28:55.000 --> 00:28:59.920 that you think need need to have a good week. And if they do, 438 00:29:00.480 --> 00:29:03.960 we're talking about guys that slide, and we see slides all the time. 439 00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:06.680 So give me a couple of guys from the offense side that need that 440 00:29:06.799 --> 00:29:11.000 need need good weeks. I'm gonna go I'm going to take this in the 441 00:29:11.079 --> 00:29:14.720 route that's coming off the Senior Bowl, because there were a couple of wide 442 00:29:14.759 --> 00:29:18.640 receivers at the Senior Bowl that did not stand out the way that they were 443 00:29:18.759 --> 00:29:22.400 asked to stand out or were expected to stand out. One of those is 444 00:29:22.400 --> 00:29:25.160 Tesz Walker. It's kind of low hanging fruit, but this guy has such 445 00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:29.079 a good athletic profile that I think that the numbers are going to be there 446 00:29:29.079 --> 00:29:32.000 from his testing. I think he's fast, he's going to run incredibly well, 447 00:29:32.359 --> 00:29:34.880 but catch the ball man, So I think he needs to have a 448 00:29:34.920 --> 00:29:40.319 good week showcasing that he has strong hands in all the on field workouts. 449 00:29:40.319 --> 00:29:42.200 I'm not even talking about like the athletic testing that's going to be there for 450 00:29:42.279 --> 00:29:45.680 him, But what he does at the on field testing and all the drills 451 00:29:47.680 --> 00:29:51.319 he needs to show excuse me, he needs to show change of direction. 452 00:29:51.440 --> 00:29:53.759 He needs to show strong hands. Don't drop a ball, like, just 453 00:29:53.759 --> 00:29:57.319 go out there and catch the ball and showcase that, Hey, it had 454 00:29:57.319 --> 00:30:00.000 a bad week in Senior Bowl, it doesn't define me as a wide receiver. 455 00:30:00.319 --> 00:30:03.119 Another guy with the big case of the drop sees down there in the 456 00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:07.519 Senior Bowl is Jamari Thrash. He's also going to run incredibly well. The 457 00:30:07.519 --> 00:30:10.359 athlood testing is going to be there. He's fast, smaller wide receiver, 458 00:30:10.799 --> 00:30:14.200 but was dropping a ton of passes. Same thing. These guys need to 459 00:30:15.160 --> 00:30:18.480 end their pre draft process on a good note and put some good stuff out 460 00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:22.079 there coming off of a pretty rough Senior Bowl week. Those are two guys 461 00:30:22.119 --> 00:30:25.119 that I think really need to show out. And I'll be watching all those 462 00:30:25.160 --> 00:30:26.759 drills on TV and be like, yes, please catch it, please catch 463 00:30:26.799 --> 00:30:30.279 it, please, like rooting for them to just secure themselves. Yeah, 464 00:30:30.319 --> 00:30:33.240 I agree with those and I think that those both those players right now are 465 00:30:33.279 --> 00:30:37.599 trying to get into that solidify themselves on day two. I think that if 466 00:30:37.640 --> 00:30:41.640 they have another bad showing, that slide continues down and you might see them 467 00:30:42.039 --> 00:30:45.720 in round four, that's very, very possible for them. For me, 468 00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:48.359 I'm going to go a little bit to the tight end side because I think 469 00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:52.039 Jahiem Bell needs to have a fantastic week, and not just because I think 470 00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:56.559 that he wants to solidify himself as a tight end. He needs to show 471 00:30:56.559 --> 00:31:00.240 that he can be a big slot because that be realistic about what he's going 472 00:31:00.279 --> 00:31:02.359 to be. He's going to be a move tight end in the NFL if 473 00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:04.000 anything, Yeah, big slot guy. You don't attach to the line. 474 00:31:04.119 --> 00:31:07.599 You have him detached and move him around. You put in motion, just 475 00:31:07.640 --> 00:31:11.960 like what the lines did with Sam Laporta. He's not a good blocker, 476 00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:14.680 he's just not. So you get him on the move, you create better 477 00:31:14.759 --> 00:31:17.279 angles for him if he's going to be on the field of blocking for you. 478 00:31:17.599 --> 00:31:19.880 But if he can show he's got the change of direction, he's got 479 00:31:19.880 --> 00:31:22.880 some speed to him, and he goes through the drills doesn't have those drops, 480 00:31:23.000 --> 00:31:27.119 we're talking about a guy who could be the third tight end off the 481 00:31:27.160 --> 00:31:33.680 board and be a real, legitimate receiving option. So he shows that athletics, 482 00:31:33.720 --> 00:31:37.200 that athletic ability, some of the speed. I think he can bump 483 00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:41.519 himself up and clear the other tight ends in this class and just say, 484 00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:44.480 look, I have this to stand on, and I think that that's something 485 00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:48.680 that he desperately needs to do. The other one is Bonix. I think 486 00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:52.559 that Bonicks after his senior ball. There's a lot of teams that like what 487 00:31:52.599 --> 00:31:57.200 bon Nicks offers. A lot of them do, but also tons of RPOs 488 00:31:57.240 --> 00:32:02.880 first read stuff this week. Show that you're a good athlete, Show that 489 00:32:02.960 --> 00:32:07.720 you are more than just I'm gonna stand in my pocket. I'm gonna throw 490 00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:09.720 on first read. Be a little bit more of a runner, because I 491 00:32:09.720 --> 00:32:13.359 do think he's going to have to

use his legs a bit more in the 492 00:32:13.480 --> 00:32:17.000 NFL to get more out of what he has early on. Let the mental 493 00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:21.599 side develop a little bit, and then when it goes to the deep ball, 494 00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:24.799 throw it accurately down the field. One of the things that I could 495 00:32:24.799 --> 00:32:29.599 not stand watching his tape was how often his receivers had to adjust to just 496 00:32:29.799 --> 00:32:34.279 ball placement. It's instead of it being on my hands, it's over here. 497 00:32:34.440 --> 00:32:37.160 Now I have to turn my body and make a catch over here, 498 00:32:37.400 --> 00:32:39.759 and now I can't generate yards after the catch because I now have a defender 499 00:32:39.799 --> 00:32:45.359 on me show better ball placement. Because I think there are some teams at 500 00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:49.279 the end of the first round that will be the saying, I remember that 501 00:32:49.319 --> 00:32:52.839 combine performance from Bonnicks. Do we want to go up and trade up into 502 00:32:52.839 --> 00:32:54.519 the end of the first round and go get this guy that is going to 503 00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:58.319 be on the board, that is going to be on the board for these 504 00:32:58.359 --> 00:33:01.839 guys, because I think four quarterbacks will go in the first round. Bonnicks 505 00:33:02.200 --> 00:33:07.680 is the next guy that I think could be the fifth quarterback if he gives 506 00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:12.000 a really good performance at the combine and makes teams want to go get him. 507 00:33:12.480 --> 00:33:15.400 The thing about bone Knicks that's so fascinating is that he's just an enigma. 508 00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:20.880 I watching his tape is so baffling. A lot of it was very 509 00:33:20.880 --> 00:33:24.279 short. A dot at the line of scrimmage will first read stuff. But 510 00:33:24.319 --> 00:33:31.000 then there's times where he where the play breaks down and he scrambles and he's 511 00:33:31.039 --> 00:33:35.880 athletic, and he's breaking off of a tackler and he's rolling and he's on 512 00:33:35.920 --> 00:33:37.640 the run and he throws a dart and you're like, where is that? 513 00:33:38.359 --> 00:33:45.400 Most of the time, I don't understand. The inconsistency is the biggest knock 514 00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:50.440 against bon Nicks because his athleticism is incredibly underrated. The guy can run, 515 00:33:50.880 --> 00:33:53.000 he can move, and he's gonna be able to show that this week. 516 00:33:53.240 --> 00:33:57.079 I agree with you that is a trait though that I want him to showcase. 517 00:33:57.079 --> 00:33:59.319 He didn't do it at all the seemable because it's not the place to 518 00:33:59.400 --> 00:34:01.359 do it, but show that you can move and that you can run, 519 00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:07.039 and you bring that element to the NFL as well. Very similar conversation to 520 00:34:07.079 --> 00:34:09.159 what we were having about JJ McCarthy.

These are guys that can both run, 521 00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:14.840 that both have an arm, that have inconsistency, that have flashes that 522 00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:19.679 are really really great, sometimes make bad choices, sometimes ball placement gets away 523 00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:22.960 from them. They're honestly quite similar, and I want him to go to 524 00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:28.320 a similar situation, go to a team that where he could hopefully learn a 525 00:34:28.320 --> 00:34:30.280 little bit before being asked to just go right into being a starter. He's 526 00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:34.280 not ready to be a day one starter in the NFL. But I agree 527 00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:37.719 with you. The fifth year option is such a massive thing when it comes 528 00:34:37.760 --> 00:34:40.639 to roster construction and salary cap and all that. I think there are going 529 00:34:40.719 --> 00:34:44.400 to be teams that are looking at making that trade up in the late first 530 00:34:44.480 --> 00:34:47.239 round. Kansas City would gladly move back into the second right, like they 531 00:34:47.360 --> 00:34:51.559 just they're coming off a Super Bowl win. They're sitting there with pick thirty 532 00:34:51.559 --> 00:34:54.199 two. Why wouldn't a team if they've got a quarterback that they're interested in, 533 00:34:54.239 --> 00:34:58.280 call up Veach and be like, hey, you want to move back 534 00:34:58.360 --> 00:35:01.519 ten picks? Like yeah, sure, why not give give me a third 535 00:35:01.559 --> 00:35:06.559 and we'll go like yeah, They'll do that in a heartbeat. So very 536 00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:07.880 curious to see, you know, what he's going to be able to do 537 00:35:07.880 --> 00:35:13.679 down there and showcase absolutely. So let's get to over the defensive side, 538 00:35:13.840 --> 00:35:15.199 and let's take this from a little bit of a different approach. Maybe some 539 00:35:15.280 --> 00:35:21.280 names that not everybody knows that might have really good days, or the guys 540 00:35:21.320 --> 00:35:22.920 that we're looking forward to seeing. There's three guys on the defensive line, 541 00:35:23.480 --> 00:35:29.639 defensive end, defense tackle that I'm very interested in seeing. Austin Booker defensive 542 00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:34.960 end out of Kansas is a very inexperienced player, but he is like juiced 543 00:35:35.039 --> 00:35:37.280 up to the max. He has pass rush moves. He's got that speed 544 00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:40.239 to power. I want to see how this guy tests because I think that 545 00:35:40.360 --> 00:35:45.039 right now he's on the verge of being a Day too player, like third 546 00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:49.519 round. This performance from him could really solidify him as a Day two player, 547 00:35:49.559 --> 00:35:52.199 a third round player, someone who a can doesn't have a lot of 548 00:35:52.239 --> 00:35:58.559 experience playing starting, but a ton of tools, just the frame that you 549 00:35:58.760 -->

00:36:01.840 want at defensive end and specifically as right now, a pass rushed kind of 550 00:36:01.880 --> 00:36:06.239 guy. He's not a bad run defender, but he's still learning a little 551 00:36:06.280 --> 00:36:09.400 bit of how gap discipline works, how that runfit is. Do I have 552 00:36:09.480 --> 00:36:14.239 to set the edge here, do I cut down the the B gap here? 553 00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:16.119 All those different things so those nuances will come in time. But kind 554 00:36:16.159 --> 00:36:21.760 of a ball of clay to really mold another guy. Well, Michael Hall 555 00:36:21.960 --> 00:36:25.320 out of Ohio State. I just finished watching him this morning. My goodness. 556 00:36:25.400 --> 00:36:28.920 He was not a starter, but he probably could have started on a 557 00:36:29.000 --> 00:36:32.599 lot of teams in college football the lower half. The dude's like a spring. 558 00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:39.079 He just power off the snap with so much violence, and he's got 559 00:36:39.079 --> 00:36:43.760 pass rush moves. His plan is still in motion, but I think he's 560 00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:45.400 going to be a Day two pick as well, but he's going to be 561 00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:49.599 someone to look forward to, have a good ten yard split, to have 562 00:36:49.679 --> 00:36:52.719 good agilities, look for his vertical as well. For a guy who's probably 563 00:36:52.760 --> 00:36:54.400 six three two ninety at least that's awa he's listed at, I think that 564 00:36:54.440 --> 00:36:58.920 he might come in. I hope he comes in a little bit heavier, 565 00:36:58.960 --> 00:37:00.239 honestly, because I think he could use a little bit of weight. But 566 00:37:00.320 --> 00:37:05.599 he's gonna have He's gonna have a good showing. And then there's one last 567 00:37:05.679 --> 00:37:09.599 guy, Rouke or Horror out of Clemson, who is another ball of clay 568 00:37:09.719 --> 00:37:15.880 kind of guy. Clemson's not developing their their defensive ends and defensive tackles the 569 00:37:15.880 --> 00:37:19.400 way they used to. They're coming into the NFL with a lot more time 570 00:37:19.719 --> 00:37:24.320 in playing, but not much refinement. Lots of juice get off is there? 571 00:37:24.880 --> 00:37:30.320 Physical The guy is extremely strong. I think he and Chris Jenkins are 572 00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:34.039 very similar player as the guy out of Michigan who's gonna blow up the combine 573 00:37:34.079 --> 00:37:37.199 by the way, but he on the other side. For Rouke, I 574 00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:40.559 think that he's got an opportunity to say, yes, I didn't have the 575 00:37:40.599 --> 00:37:45.800 best molding at Clemson, but I have a ton of physical and afflic ability 576 00:37:45.880 --> 00:37:51.880 that you guys can take a chance on. Yeah, all great options to 577 00:37:51.920 --> 00:37:53.039 go off of there. I'm going to bring up a couple of guys also. 578 00:37:53.159 --> 00:37:57.559 I'm going to talk about safety out of Miami,

not cam Kinchins, 579 00:37:57.559 --> 00:38:01.079 because everyone's talking about Sam Kinchins and rightly so. I think cam Kinchins is 580 00:38:01.079 --> 00:38:05.239 an awesome safety. He's going to be in play in the first round for 581 00:38:05.280 --> 00:38:07.880 sure. I'm going to talk about the other safety at Miami, James Williams. 582 00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:13.360 He's six y five two fifteen with ball tracking ability, ability to come 583 00:38:13.440 --> 00:38:16.519 up and tackle. He has versatility to be a post safety and come down 584 00:38:16.519 --> 00:38:22.920 into the box that size six five, two fifteen like he is a rangy 585 00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:28.880 rangeye safety, very long. He had an interception and four passes defense this 586 00:38:28.960 --> 00:38:31.960 season, forty eight solo tackles. The productions kind of there for him as 587 00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:37.199 well. He and cam Kinchins were a great duo. It's a bummer that 588 00:38:37.239 --> 00:38:43.360 the rest of the team sucked, but they're a great safety. Yeah. 589 00:38:42.679 --> 00:38:45.400 They're a great safety duo though. And I think that he's going to make 590 00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:47.840 a team very happy in the NFL. I think he has athletic testing is 591 00:38:47.880 --> 00:38:51.239 going to be really good. I think he's going to be one of these 592 00:38:51.239 --> 00:38:53.480 guys that might be flying under the radar a little bit. But what he 593 00:38:53.519 --> 00:38:57.960 does down there at the senior or not de seeable, what he does at 594 00:38:57.960 --> 00:39:00.280 the combine is I think going to pop. His name is gonna be like, 595 00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:04.719 oh, look at that six to five safety who can move, and 596 00:39:04.760 --> 00:39:07.159 he's gonna get a little bit of buzz. I think coming out of this 597 00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:10.400 week, I'm going to go to another player on the defensive side of the 598 00:39:10.400 --> 00:39:15.280 ball. I'm gonna talk linebacker out of NC State, Peyton Wilson, because 599 00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:21.079 I don't think that he's getting enough love as potentially being the best linebacker in 600 00:39:21.119 --> 00:39:24.400 this class. I think that Peyton Wilson can fly. I think that we've 601 00:39:24.440 --> 00:39:29.719 seen the production. His ability to read plays and get downhill is great. 602 00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:34.079 He has like, I'm gonna hawk you down from behind kind of speed at 603 00:39:34.079 --> 00:39:37.760 the linebacker position. There's been multiple plays where I've seen him chase down running 604 00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:42.159 backs to wide receivers in the open field. So he's a guy that's up 605 00:39:42.199 --> 00:39:45.639 there. Calling him maybe the best linebacker in the class is probably a little 606 00:39:45.679 --> 00:39:50.000 bit rich, but he's really really good and I think that again, the 607 00:39:50.920 --> 00:39:55.039 combine is a great opportunity for guys that are super athletic to show that they 608 00:39:55.079 --> 00:39:59.679 are super athletic. And when you have a linebacker that's going to come out 609 00:39:59.679 --> 00:40:04.039 there, I think run a really really good time and show good lateral agility. 610 00:40:04.239 --> 00:40:06.719 And I think the footwork drills that you're gonna see on the field right 611 00:40:06.760 --> 00:40:09.199 where they're asking them to like like react and the change the direction and stuff 612 00:40:09.239 --> 00:40:12.960 like that, I think that'll look really good for him too. I think 613 00:40:13.000 --> 00:40:16.559 he's another name though that is gonna get buzz with the athletic testing coming out 614 00:40:16.559 --> 00:40:21.360 of this week and help himself into a really good day two pick. I 615 00:40:21.400 --> 00:40:22.840 love those, And that's what I love about doing this side of the ball 616 00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:27.039 is because we don't talk a ton about the defense, but we're gonna get 617 00:40:27.079 --> 00:40:30.239 into it more like I'm doing defensive line right now. I'm going through all 618 00:40:30.239 --> 00:40:32.920 my my grades and all those guys right now, I'm gonna put some stamps. 619 00:40:32.960 --> 00:40:37.119 Okay, I have two stamps on the defensive side of the ball. 620 00:40:37.320 --> 00:40:38.840 I'm gonna have two stamps on the offensive side of the ball too. You 621 00:40:38.840 --> 00:40:42.280 don't have to those who don't want to, but there are two players that 622 00:40:42.320 --> 00:40:46.559 I think on the defensive side with combine showings that could move themselves into if 623 00:40:46.599 --> 00:40:52.760 they're not already into, the first player taken at their position. The first 624 00:40:52.760 --> 00:40:58.440 guy I'm gonna talk about is Jared Verse because I with his combine performance, 625 00:40:58.639 --> 00:41:01.360 which I think is going to be the best performance of all the defensive ends, 626 00:41:02.360 --> 00:41:06.920 can make him the first defensive end drafted. I know people talk about 627 00:41:06.960 --> 00:41:10.760 Dallas Turner and he's a great player, but I don't think he's Will Anderson. 628 00:41:12.280 --> 00:41:15.239 And I mean Will Andersonsy went top five. These defensive ends are not 629 00:41:15.400 --> 00:41:20.599 on that level. They're just not top five, top ten players in the 630 00:41:20.639 --> 00:41:25.639 draft. So Jared Verse can have an absolutely alien type of performance because I 631 00:41:25.679 --> 00:41:30.039 think he's an alien type of athlete and be the first defensive end drafted in 632 00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:36.199 this class. And the next guy is Jaden Hicks, safety out of Washington 633 00:41:36.280 --> 00:41:39.639 State, who can do all of it. He can play everywhere, and 634 00:41:39.760 --> 00:41:45.039 he's a burner. He's got so much downhill speed. He just explodes, 635 00:41:45.079 --> 00:41:49.400 he tackles, he's rangey, he's

got ball skills, all of these things. 636 00:41:49.440 --> 00:41:52.199 He could be the first safety taken if he has a fantastic day because 637 00:41:52.199 --> 00:41:57.519 I think he could be very well in contention for a I don't think safeties 638 00:41:57.519 --> 00:41:59.159 are going to go in the route in the first round. If they do, 639 00:41:59.199 --> 00:42:01.920 it's going to be near the end. But we're talking top of round 640 00:42:02.000 --> 00:42:06.480 two. I think Jayden Hicks is a fantastic player and with a great combine 641 00:42:06.519 --> 00:42:10.039 performance could solidify maybe on some team's boards. It only takes one team, 642 00:42:10.119 --> 00:42:13.679 Guys, it only takes one team to fall in love with you to be 643 00:42:13.760 --> 00:42:19.199 the first safety taken. Those are great picks. Hicks in particular, he 644 00:42:19.360 --> 00:42:22.320 was supposed to be at the Senior Bowl one and then he decided to pull 645 00:42:22.360 --> 00:42:27.440 out of it. He was gonna be like my favorite and defensive player there. 646 00:42:28.000 --> 00:42:31.559 I love him. He is such a hammer too. Like his athleticism 647 00:42:31.639 --> 00:42:36.400 is great, but his trigger in his ability to fly downhill and just lay 648 00:42:36.440 --> 00:42:40.440 the lumber on a guy is so awesome. Like Jayden Hicks, I have 649 00:42:40.440 --> 00:42:44.280 a complete agreement with you. I think he's got a chance to go as 650 00:42:44.320 --> 00:42:46.760 the first safety. Think I think most of the love that I'm hearing right 651 00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:51.360 now is on Kinchins, but I think that yeah, Hicks, with the 652 00:42:51.400 --> 00:42:53.519 athleticism that he's able to display, I think that it's a really really good 653 00:42:53.599 --> 00:42:55.840 call. But he could be the first safety that goes, and I don't 654 00:42:55.880 --> 00:43:00.320 hate that at all. I think he's a terrific player. I am not 655 00:43:00.360 --> 00:43:04.719 sure exactly where I want to go with this because he stole my thunder on 656 00:43:05.360 --> 00:43:09.239 Hicks. But what I will say, let's see if I can just pull 657 00:43:09.280 --> 00:43:15.199 a rabbit out of the hat here. I think that how about we go 658 00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:17.000 to the opposite. How about we we move on to a player that I 659 00:43:17.039 --> 00:43:22.719 think is gonna potentially slide a little bit, and I'm gonna talk a little 660 00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:25.199 bit and has nothing to do with anything having to do with himself or his 661 00:43:25.239 --> 00:43:28.960 talents or abilities. But I'm gonna go with a medical here. I think 662 00:43:29.039 --> 00:43:32.199 Layatuo Latsus slides further than people think he's going to okay because of the neck 663 00:43:32.199 --> 00:43:36.760 injuries that he's had in the past. So I think that there's gonna be 664 00:43:36.800 --> 00:43:38.480 teams that are concerned. And I don't think everyone's gonna want to take a 665

00:43:38.480 --> 00:43:43.440 pass rusher super early in this draft class because there aren't those crazy high guys. 666 00:43:43.480 --> 00:43:46.760 So let's say that Jared Verse comes out and he burns it and he 667 00:43:46.880 --> 00:43:51.880 ends up being the first edge that goes. And then let's say you have 668 00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:57.880 Dallas Turner that also goes there as a pass rush. Okay, if Leatu 669 00:43:57.960 --> 00:44:01.559 Latu's medicals don't check out perfectly, I could see him falling just a little 670 00:44:01.559 --> 00:44:05.480 bit. I'm not saying like a super crazy high fall, but I think 671 00:44:05.480 --> 00:44:08.119 that it could be enough where Chop Robinson maybe gets picked before him, which 672 00:44:08.119 --> 00:44:12.599 I think would be a big disservice to Layatu Latti because I think talent wise, 673 00:44:12.920 --> 00:44:15.039 he deserves to have that happen. But Latu Latsu is a name that 674 00:44:15.079 --> 00:44:19.239 I'm watching very close to this week, and I think that how he interviews 675 00:44:19.559 --> 00:44:22.119 is going to be terrific. But they're going to press into the injuries with 676 00:44:22.199 --> 00:44:24.360 him, yeah, and ask him about that and ask him questions about it, 677 00:44:24.440 --> 00:44:28.039 and with his medicals and all that, I think there's going to be 678 00:44:28.079 --> 00:44:32.199 some teams that maybe just go I'm not willing to take him top fifteen with 679 00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:36.199 the medical history, and I think that there's a chance that he slides a 680 00:44:36.199 --> 00:44:38.719 little bit into the lap of a really, really good team that's going to 681 00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:43.119 be like WHOA. Okay, I didn't think that Latsu would be sitting here 682 00:44:43.119 --> 00:44:45.719 on the board for us, and he's going to completely overhaul our defensive line 683 00:44:45.760 --> 00:44:50.280 that's already a playoff caliber team. So that's a name that I'm curious to 684 00:44:50.280 --> 00:44:52.440 see how the week is going to play out for him a team that I 685 00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:57.440 think can or a player that I think that could potentially really help himself this 686 00:44:57.480 --> 00:45:01.039 week. Though, I honestly think that Tavondras Sweat and needs to have a 687 00:45:01.079 --> 00:45:06.159 big week in terms of what he shows from athletic ability, because we've been 688 00:45:06.159 --> 00:45:09.960 talking about him a little bit on the show already, but his conditioning is 689 00:45:10.000 --> 00:45:15.679 a concern. It wears down as the game goes on. And two years 690 00:45:15.679 --> 00:45:19.199 ago he played lighter and I think he showed more stamina this last year. 691 00:45:19.239 --> 00:45:22.039 He was a game wrecker early, but as the game went on, he 692 00:45:22.079 --> 00:45:25.480 would get a little bit sloppy. His hand placement wouldn't be as good, 693 00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:30.079 his motor wasn't there, the push wasn't there. It fell off a little 694 00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:32.679 bit. Everyone I think right now is in love with Tavandre Sweat because he 695 00:45:32.800 --> 00:45:36.599 is a mountain of a man. We saw him in Mobile and it's just 696 00:45:36.679 --> 00:45:40.760 like he was dwarfing the other defensive lignements that he was standing next to. 697 00:45:42.519 --> 00:45:46.400 But that athleticism and conditioning, excuse me, I think it's going to be 698 00:45:46.400 --> 00:45:50.920 a real concern for some NFL teams. So he didn't weigh in. He 699 00:45:50.960 --> 00:45:53.199 didn't weigh in at the Senior Bowl. He's gonna weigh in the Combine. 700 00:45:53.480 --> 00:45:57.199 I'm very curious to see what that number looks like. I would love to 701 00:45:57.199 --> 00:46:00.440 see it around three thirty to three forty, not the three six too that 702 00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:04.159 he was listed at, because I heard that two years ago he played in 703 00:46:04.199 --> 00:46:07.039 the three thirties, So I'd love to see him be getting back down closer 704 00:46:07.079 --> 00:46:12.480 to that number, and to see how the stamino holds up on the field 705 00:46:12.519 --> 00:46:15.960 with the drills, and to see what he's able to do from an athletic 706 00:46:15.039 --> 00:46:20.760 testing standpoint, because nowadays you can't just be a one tech that clogs lanes 707 00:46:20.800 --> 00:46:23.440 and doesn't get moved off the spot. Like there's still a little bit of 708 00:46:23.719 --> 00:46:28.239 a place for that in the league, but athleticism is such a premium. 709 00:46:28.239 --> 00:46:30.480 You need to be able to move around, You need to be able to 710 00:46:30.360 --> 00:46:34.559 wreak havoc and create penetration and stuff like that. Early in the game. 711 00:46:34.639 --> 00:46:37.199 Sweat can do that. As the game goes on, though, it gets 712 00:46:37.239 --> 00:46:39.360 a little bit more sparse. So I'm curious to see the kind of shape 713 00:46:39.400 --> 00:46:43.639 that he shows up in and see if he can help himself out. Yeah, 714 00:46:43.679 --> 00:46:45.559 I like to lay too lot to call too because I think that he's 715 00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:50.199 not going to be an explosive tester either. Like he's a technician, he's 716 00:46:50.239 --> 00:46:52.960 not a guy that wins on athleticism. So you pair that with the medicals, 717 00:46:52.960 --> 00:46:55.599 and you're going to see teams like, Okay, well we got some 718 00:46:55.679 --> 00:47:00.519 athletes that we're more interested in taking some chances on, maybe Earl. So 719 00:47:00.679 --> 00:47:04.360 that makes a lot of sense. And yeah, I mean at the end 720 00:47:04.360 --> 00:47:07.039 of the day, that's what we're here to try and find out, right, 721 00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:10.039 That's what the combine is for. We're trying to see some things that 722 00:47:10.039 --> 00:47:15.119 we're gonna teams are gonna take chances on and stuff like that. So

all 723 00:47:15.159 --> 00:47:17.000 in all, I think that those you know, those calls make makes some 724 00:47:17.079 --> 00:47:21.239 sense in sweat. You know, you gotta be a closer in this league. 725 00:47:21.360 --> 00:47:22.960 Yeah, if you're gonna if your best players are gonna be in the 726 00:47:22.960 --> 00:47:25.320 first quarter and the second quarter, it's not gonna get it done, and 727 00:47:25.360 --> 00:47:29.039 teams are gonna be like, okay, well we'll get this elsewhere. So 728 00:47:29.760 --> 00:47:31.360 I agree with you. Let's see him coming a little bit on the lighter 729 00:47:31.400 --> 00:47:37.599 side. Now, I'm gonna do a couple more, just plant some flags. 730 00:47:37.760 --> 00:47:38.800 Not guys that I think they'll go at the top, but I think 731 00:47:38.800 --> 00:47:43.760 that I'm gonna plant. I'm gonna plan a couple of flags here. Dylan 732 00:47:44.159 --> 00:47:49.599 Johnson fully healthy with a star. Okay, this is there's an asterisk here. 733 00:47:49.840 --> 00:47:54.920 Dylan Johnson, who finished the college football season with his foot injury, 734 00:47:55.199 --> 00:48:00.360 not looking anywhere close to the player he was he is. If you healthy, 735 00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:04.199 get the combine and he performs, he's gonna run very well. I 736 00:48:04.199 --> 00:48:08.320 think that he's gonna run about four four four four five ish area he runs 737 00:48:08.360 --> 00:48:12.800 that. The dude is a wrecking ball. He runs people over and he's 738 00:48:12.840 --> 00:48:15.440 got that speed to him as well. I think people forgot he's very good 739 00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:19.239 pass catcher. So I think he's gonna put himself in the conversation for the 740 00:48:19.239 --> 00:48:22.880 first five six running backs that are drafted in this you know, obviously in 741 00:48:22.880 --> 00:48:27.480 twenty twenty four draft. So he's the name to watch this week as someone 742 00:48:27.519 --> 00:48:30.719 who performs better than anyone really expects him to, because he's a much better 743 00:48:30.719 --> 00:48:36.119 player than the end of the college football season portrayed him. To be through 744 00:48:36.199 --> 00:48:39.920 injury, and Spencer Routl is gonna put his name as into the quarterback five 745 00:48:40.159 --> 00:48:45.320 area with his performance in the at the Combine. He's faster than he gets 746 00:48:45.360 --> 00:48:46.639 credit for. He's a better athlete. I think he's gonna have some really 747 00:48:46.639 --> 00:48:51.440 good numbers and then he's gonna put on a show without the top three. 748 00:48:51.079 --> 00:48:54.360 Without the top three guys there, he's kind of battling it out with JJ 749 00:48:54.480 --> 00:49:00.360 McCarthy and Joe Milton as the best arm talents in class, and he's like, 750 00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:02.360 I want to be out there. I want to do this, and 751 00:49:02.400 --> 00:49:07.280 he's gonna have an opportunity to do that. So I'm very excited to see 752 00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:08.639 what he does. But he's he's gonna throw his Nate, He's gonna throw 753 00:49:08.639 --> 00:49:14.079 his hat in the ring for QB five. Man. I love it the 754 00:49:14.159 --> 00:49:17.039 Dylan Johnson call you You're just all over the guys that I love also, 755 00:49:17.079 --> 00:49:21.559 which is not really a surprise, but Dylan Johnson, he was a wrecking 756 00:49:21.559 --> 00:49:23.639 ball and he was a finisher even when he was hurt, and that to 757 00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:29.039 me, that grittiness that really was like I am not missing this game. 758 00:49:29.400 --> 00:49:31.760 And he still had I think like twenty nine carries in the in the PAC 759 00:49:31.800 --> 00:49:36.840 TWELF championship game or something like that. That's a huge number. And in 760 00:49:36.920 --> 00:49:39.239 the end of that game, it was Oregon and Washington coming down to the 761 00:49:39.239 --> 00:49:43.559 wire and it was Dylan Johnson that iced it. He was the one, 762 00:49:43.840 --> 00:49:47.400 even with a bum ankle, that was out there churning out yards icing the 763 00:49:47.480 --> 00:49:53.719 clock send an Oregon home. Very sad myself included all because Dylan Johnson is 764 00:49:53.800 --> 00:49:58.639 such a warrior and such a hammer. I think that he is gonna be 765 00:49:58.679 --> 00:50:01.039 coveted by the league and if he is fully healthy, Yeah, that athleticism 766 00:50:01.159 --> 00:50:04.840 is gonna show. He's a big back. He was like, what six 767 00:50:04.960 --> 00:50:08.199 foot two eighteen listed something like that. What do I got him at? 768 00:50:08.239 --> 00:50:10.039 I have him at Yeah, six foot two eight team, look at that 769 00:50:10.079 --> 00:50:17.159 recall. Big back with hands, versatile, can pass, protect, can 770 00:50:17.199 --> 00:50:21.760 be the thunder in an offense. He's He's a really interesting bringing back and 771 00:50:21.760 --> 00:50:23.000 I think there's gonna be a lot of teams that like him. I'm gonna 772 00:50:23.000 --> 00:50:29.320 do a little like Riser Faller thing here. I think a guy that is 773 00:50:29.360 --> 00:50:32.320 gonna make himself some money is Jalen Polk. I think that he's not getting 774 00:50:32.360 --> 00:50:37.159 discussed enough as a second wide receiver out of Washington. To me, he's 775 00:50:37.199 --> 00:50:42.440 a very very good downfield threat. I don't think that he has blazing speed. 776 00:50:43.239 --> 00:50:46.920 I think that he's more of a like set up the leverage throughout the 777 00:50:47.039 --> 00:50:52.960 route to get open sort of guy. But he shows good agility. I 778 00:50:52.960 --> 00:50:57.480 think his ability is a downfield threat to make contested catches and ability to go 779 00:50:57.559 --> 00:51:00.719 up and get it are really interesting. So I think I think athletic testing 780 00:51:00.760 --> 00:51:04.239 from like an explosive number, like we're talking the vert the long jump, 781 00:51:04.320 -->

00:51:07.400 that kind of stuff, I think that's gonna be there. I think his 782 00:51:07.519 --> 00:51:09.880 SHORTERIIR quickness is gonna be there. And I think as long as he runs 783 00:51:10.559 --> 00:51:14.679 a good forty, he's not gonna burn it. But as long as he 784 00:51:14.760 --> 00:51:19.320 runs an okay forty, I think that the athletic profile is gonna come together 785 00:51:19.360 --> 00:51:22.199 really nicely for him, and people are gonna be like, oh, we've 786 00:51:22.199 --> 00:51:25.039 all been focusing on Romadoonday, but there's another wide receiver out of Washington to 787 00:51:25.119 --> 00:51:29.519 go pay attention to. I think that he's gonna be a firmly round two 788 00:51:29.599 --> 00:51:31.199 pick out day too. The round two pick I think that he's gonna make 789 00:51:31.239 --> 00:51:36.280 himself into one of the top guys in this class. I'm here to throw 790 00:51:36.320 --> 00:51:39.440 a little bit of cold water on the Brian Johnson train. Okay, we've 791 00:51:39.440 --> 00:51:42.840 already done this a couple times, but I think it's worth it one more 792 00:51:42.840 --> 00:51:46.320 time. That's what I meant. That's what I meant, Not Brian Johnson, 793 00:51:46.360 --> 00:51:50.800 Brian Thomas Junior, Brian Johnson, Who the hell is Brian Johnson? 794 00:51:51.840 --> 00:51:58.159 Ryan, Brian Thomas Junior. I don't think he's gonna run the forty that 795 00:51:58.199 --> 00:52:01.719 people think that he's going to because he's not fast out of the blocks. 796 00:52:01.920 --> 00:52:06.840 He's one of those wide receivers that takes a few steps to get up to 797 00:52:06.880 --> 00:52:10.880 full speed. I think that everyone's expecting him to be this tall, blazing 798 00:52:10.960 --> 00:52:15.239 fast forty time wide receiver, and this might come back to burn me. 799 00:52:15.280 --> 00:52:20.840 We'll see what happens in a few days. But my call is that he's 800 00:52:20.960 --> 00:52:23.800 not going to run a crazy fast forty like everyone wants him to, and 801 00:52:23.800 --> 00:52:28.719 that the athletic testing isn't going to really be there because he's such a momentum 802 00:52:28.760 --> 00:52:34.960 wide receiver. It's in the open field, it's on straight routes where he's 803 00:52:35.000 --> 00:52:37.639 able to create a little bit of wiggle and then open up the throttle and 804 00:52:37.679 --> 00:52:43.599 it's like slowly pushing the throttle forward where the momentum gets going, and then 805 00:52:43.599 --> 00:52:45.639 all of a sudden, when he's able to open it up, the top 806 00:52:45.760 --> 00:52:50.599 end speed is there and it's really really good down the field. But I'm 807 00:52:50.639 --> 00:52:54.000 not sure that the athletic testing is going to show up for Brian Thomas Junior, 808 00:52:54.119 --> 00:52:59.119 like everyone's thinking that it's going to in the forty definitely not in the 809 00:52:59.159 --> 00:53:02.559 agility drills. I don't think the agility is his strength

at all. So 810 00:53:02.679 --> 00:53:06.760 I kind of think that he's going to be a faller. He's getting a 811 00:53:06.760 --> 00:53:08.679 lot of love right now as being a first round draft pick, and we've 812 00:53:08.719 --> 00:53:12.159 been saying it for a couple months that I don't really agree with that. 813 00:53:12.320 --> 00:53:16.320 I still don't, but yeah, I'm kind of I'm wondering what his athletic 814 00:53:16.320 --> 00:53:19.519 profile is going to look like at the end of this week, in terms 815 00:53:19.559 --> 00:53:22.679 of statistically like his rascore and stuff like that, because I don't think that 816 00:53:22.760 --> 00:53:27.559 he's going to blow the top off the combine. I'm interested because he could 817 00:53:27.639 --> 00:53:30.239 end up looking very very closely to a Chris Connolly coming out of Georgia kind 818 00:53:30.239 --> 00:53:34.880 of guy. Who ran fast. He'd set the vertical or he wasn't set 819 00:53:34.880 --> 00:53:38.000 the vertical, but he jumped out the gym in the vertical. But he 820 00:53:38.039 --> 00:53:42.480 didn't have the athletic ability that everyone thought he did. So that's something I'm 821 00:53:42.599 --> 00:53:45.519 very interested because, as you know, we talked about him and are one 822 00:53:45.559 --> 00:53:49.599 of our first stalks up. Additions of Brian Thomas being the guy who's been 823 00:53:49.639 --> 00:53:52.159 talked about a lot, I'm seeing him in the top twenty overall, which 824 00:53:52.239 --> 00:53:55.920 I just I don't get with, and like you said, I don't get 825 00:53:55.960 --> 00:54:00.639 the agility stuff. But again, he has the opportunity to prove us wrong, 826 00:54:00.760 --> 00:54:05.360 to prove me wrong, and to go out there to practice for the 827 00:54:05.400 --> 00:54:10.400 forty, because yes, running a forty is different than running a route and 828 00:54:10.480 --> 00:54:15.119 selling a vertical route or just running a vertical route. It's you have time 829 00:54:15.159 --> 00:54:16.719 to prep for it. You can, you can. Let's see how much 830 00:54:16.760 --> 00:54:21.960 work he put into running a good forty time, because if he does all 831 00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:24.639 of that, like John's saying, he's not a I'm getting up to speed 832 00:54:24.760 --> 00:54:28.960 right now kind of guy. But if he comes out has a good ten 833 00:54:29.039 --> 00:54:31.679 yard split and he shows that he's practiced and put that work in, we 834 00:54:31.800 --> 00:54:36.039 have something we can work with from a player perspective, who you can learn 835 00:54:36.119 --> 00:54:37.639 these things, you can put the work in on your own to be able 836 00:54:37.639 --> 00:54:40.360 to get some of the he's done. So I like that call. I'm 837 00:54:40.400 --> 00:54:45.119 interested in the Jalen Polk stuff because I don't think he's going to come out 838 00:54:45.159 --> 00:54:47.800 here to actually do very well. I do think that he and Brian Thomas 839 00:54:47.840 --> 00:54:52.880 are in similar situations where I don't think the agilities are there for both these 840 00:54:52.920 --> 00:54:58.199 players. The act stuff doesn't really translate to my eye from what I'm seeing, 841 00:54:58.440 --> 00:55:00.280 and I think he's slower than Bryan Thomas. Not that these guys are 842 00:55:00.320 --> 00:55:02.719 slow, by the way, let's go ahead and throw that out there. 843 00:55:02.880 --> 00:55:06.960 If he runs like a four or five, yeah, he's still fast. 844 00:55:07.239 --> 00:55:10.039 He's a very fast human being that can do this to a point where not 845 00:55:10.159 --> 00:55:15.079 any of us can actually do that. So from an NFL perspective standpoint, 846 00:55:15.280 --> 00:55:19.559 I think that he's gonna be around a four four six, four four eight. 847 00:55:19.599 --> 00:55:22.639 That's where I think Polk's gonna run. That's my opinion, and I 848 00:55:22.639 --> 00:55:25.639 think that that's perfectly good for him. But the ball skills are where he 849 00:55:25.719 --> 00:55:29.400 makes his money. So I'm interested to see what you do what he does 850 00:55:29.440 --> 00:55:30.800 there, But there's so many guys that I want to watch and I can't 851 00:55:30.840 --> 00:55:34.800 wait. I'm pretty sure that I'm gonna sit down and watch all the wide 852 00:55:34.840 --> 00:55:37.960 receiver and running back and tight end day Like that's like where I'm gonna be 853 00:55:37.960 --> 00:55:43.199 sitting for my my combine experience and then floating around for everybody else. But 854 00:55:43.920 --> 00:55:46.800 you know, we'll see, We'll see how the coverage dictates as I get 855 00:55:46.800 --> 00:55:53.119 there real quick before we wrap this thing. Is there anyone that you are 856 00:55:53.239 --> 00:56:00.760 half jokingly wanting to not blow up the combine because you're being that they fall 857 00:56:00.800 --> 00:56:04.440 into your lap as a chiefs hid? I mean, the the big the 858 00:56:04.480 --> 00:56:07.000 big thing is Olu, you know, Oli Fashono, like I want him 859 00:56:07.000 --> 00:56:10.000 to just kind of like because people have concerns about Oli, and I'm just 860 00:56:10.039 --> 00:56:14.800 like, well, if the athletic testing isn't what everyone says is gonna be, 861 00:56:15.559 --> 00:56:16.760 they might be able to go train up for this guy. I think 862 00:56:16.800 --> 00:56:21.239 that's the big one for me, a team who you know kind of needs 863 00:56:21.239 --> 00:56:25.480 a left tackle. And then there's also guys like I mean, it's not 864 00:56:25.519 --> 00:56:30.760 gonna happen. It's definitely not happening with Rome madonsa. But I think that 865 00:56:30.800 --> 00:56:32.320 there's a bunch of different wide receivers that would be available, so I wouldn't 866 00:56:32.320 --> 00:56:37.000 even go that route. But brock Bowers, he could just fall in his 867 00:56:37.079 --> 00:56:44.119 face and drop down to thirty two. I swear to God, from Travis 868

00:56:44.199 --> 00:56:49.880 Kelcey to brock Bowers, I'm just gonna I'm I don't know what I'm gonna 869 00:56:49.920 --> 00:56:52.920 do. I'm gonna be so mad if that ends up happening, Like that's 870 00:56:52.960 --> 00:56:54.960 just not fair to the league. Oh yeah, let's just go from Gronk 871 00:56:55.239 --> 00:56:59.960 or go from Kelsey to potentially the next great ten end. In the end, 872 00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:01.960 I felt that's awesome. That makes a lot of sense as a Bills 873 00:57:01.960 --> 00:57:07.079 fan. Pretty much all the discourses around the wide receivers for pick twenty eight 874 00:57:07.119 --> 00:57:12.719 other positions to defensive tackle being one safety's one edge. Also, so like, 875 00:57:12.840 --> 00:57:15.719 hey, if laout two Latu's medicals don't check out, he falls to 876 00:57:15.760 --> 00:57:22.480 twenty eight. I will take that and gladly run the other one. If 877 00:57:22.599 --> 00:57:28.920 for some way, and I don't know how it would happen, but if 878 00:57:28.920 --> 00:57:37.679 for some way, Troy Franklin's athletic testing wanted to just not be ultra ultra 879 00:57:37.760 --> 00:57:40.239 elite. If it just wanted to be just a little under that so that 880 00:57:40.280 --> 00:57:43.960 he could be available at twenty eight, that'd be good too. I'm very 881 00:57:43.960 --> 00:57:45.480 curious to see what the twenties are going to look like in this draft class, 882 00:57:45.519 --> 00:57:50.880 because there could be a crazy one run on wide receivers, or they 883 00:57:50.920 --> 00:57:52.639 could not, and they could just be looking at this group and saying, 884 00:57:52.679 --> 00:57:55.360 hey, there's so many guys on Day two, Why am I going to 885 00:57:55.440 --> 00:58:00.599 force it here? Let's look at other positions. Let's you know, look 886 00:58:00.599 --> 00:58:02.920 around. Maybe it's the dbs that have a nice run there in the twenties. 887 00:58:04.079 --> 00:58:07.119 I have no idea what's going to happen. So I'm very curious to 888 00:58:07.119 --> 00:58:12.039 see what the back half of the I'm curious about the whole draft. I 889 00:58:12.079 --> 00:58:15.000 love it, but the back half of the first round is going to be 890 00:58:15.039 --> 00:58:19.800 really really interesting to see how the NFL values these wide receivers compared to opportunity 891 00:58:19.840 --> 00:58:22.039 costs, Like, why am I going to spend this pick here when I 892 00:58:22.079 --> 00:58:25.679 could get someone that I think is ninety percent of that player in the next 893 00:58:25.760 --> 00:58:30.199 round. But then it comes down to the fifth year option and the contract 894 00:58:30.239 --> 00:58:31.800 juggling and all that stuff. So it's gonna be really, really curious to 895 00:58:31.800 --> 00:58:36.119 see how it all shakes out. I can't wait. It's gonna be a 896 00:58:36.119 --> 00:58:39.039 great week. You'll be schmoozing it up with everybody. I'll be watching in 897 00:58:40.360 --> 00:58:44.679 my pajamas. But we'll be taking lots of notes, I'm sure, and 898 00:58:44.719 --> 00:58:46.360 then we'll get into it. After that, it's full steam ahead to the 899 00:58:46.480 --> 00:58:51.199 NFL Draft. Maybe we start breaking down some position groups that we haven't really 900 00:58:51.199 --> 00:58:57.519 talked about. We start looking at draft needs post free agency, start looking 901 00:58:57.559 --> 00:59:00.519 at specific needs for fir some different teams we got all from to get into 902 00:59:00.559 --> 00:59:04.719 over the next two months until the draft, and I have a lot of 903 00:59:04.719 --> 00:59:07.719 film to watch, so I'm gonna get on that. As always, guys, 904 00:59:07.719 --> 00:59:10.920 thank you for listening this cover one Draft Weekly. John Helmcamp, my 905 00:59:10.960 --> 00:59:15.239 good buddy, Daniel Harms. We will catch you guys after the combine with 906 00:59:15.440 --> 00:59:19.880 plenty of news and information to break down. See you next time.