Full Transcript for Paul W. Downs

00:03:21.319 need some content for the top of the show. I 88 00:03:21.400 --> 00:03:23.560 was just curious, okay? So far, we haven't really hit 89 00:03:23.580 --> 00:03:25.360 a gusher, so let's hope this is it. 90 00:03:25.520 --> 00:03:27.879 Unless you think I'm some kind of nerd, I only 91 00:03:27.960 --> 00:03:30.860 ask them about James Bond. 92 00:03:30.879 --> 00:03:34.439 So you talk to an AI Shakespeare... You have a 93 00:03:34.460 --> 00:03:37.699 lot of free time. That's what I'm getting from this story. 94 00:03:37.740 --> 00:03:40.060 No, I'm busy talking to Shakespeare on AI. 95 00:03:40.080 --> 00:03:42.259 How did you find that someone sent it to you 96 00:03:42.300 --> 00:03:44.139 and was like, oh, you'd love this, man? 97 00:03:44.159 --> 00:03:45.719 No, I don't know. 98 00:03:46.360 --> 00:03:48.159 Maybe someone sent it or I heard about it on 99 00:03:49.020 --> 00:03:50.979 a show or something. I don't remember. 100 00:03:51.000 --> 00:03:51.979 I've never done AI. 101 00:03:52.000 --> 00:03:53.580 This was early AI days, though. 102 00:03:54.219 --> 00:03:55.620 Oh, okay, because you wouldn't do that now. 103 00:03:55.710 --> 00:03:56.259 No, I'm too. 104 00:03:56.969 --> 00:03:58.110 I was AI before I was cool. 105 00:03:59.060 --> 00:04:00.460 You were doing AI back in the 80s. 106 00:04:00.479 --> 00:04:01.900 Yeah, I was. 107 00:04:01.919 --> 00:04:04.120 When it was basically Pong. Yeah, war games. 108 00:04:04.840 --> 00:04:05.960 Did you guys hear that? 109 00:04:06.280 --> 00:04:08.919 Sorry to bust in. No, anything. Anything. 110 00:04:09.199 --> 00:04:09.400 Yeah. 111 00:04:09.560 --> 00:04:11.689 Because there's an old saying here. Oh, it doesn't matter 112 00:04:11.710 --> 00:04:14.069 what you three talk about. It'll be good. This is 113 00:04:14.169 --> 00:04:16.850 proof that it's not. We need this anyway because I'm 114 00:04:16.870 --> 00:04:19.050 going to edit all that out. So you go ahead. 115 00:04:19.089 --> 00:04:21.509 Let's start again. Oh, hold on a sec. Hey there. 116 00:04:22.050 --> 00:04:24.310 Welcome to Conan O'Brien Needs a Friend. 117 00:04:24.350 --> 00:04:24.810 We're doing it. 118 00:04:24.829 --> 00:04:26.209 We're doing it. Do it. Yeah, we're going to do 119 00:04:26.230 --> 00:04:26.750 it over again. 120 00:04:26.790 --> 00:04:27.750 Because you know what? 121 00:04:27.790 --> 00:04:29.750 Yeah, I don't want to do that. Guess what? Yeah, 122 00:04:29.930 --> 00:04:34.139 that was a terrible top. No, no, no. We're starting over. 123 00:04:34.180 --> 00:04:36.019 Let's do it again. Do it again. 124 00:04:36.339 --> 00:04:38.600 And go. No one's limbo bar is lower than yours. 125 00:04:38.680 --> 00:04:41.019 You're like, hey, man, it was great. You guys were 126 00:04:41.040 --> 00:04:43.740 talking and there was talking. People love this shit. 127 00:04:44.040 --> 00:04:44.839 And go again. 128 00:04:45.040 --> 00:04:47.779 Go again. Hey there and welcome to Conan O'Brien Needs

129 00:04:47.839 --> 00:04:49.199 a Friend. And we're going to get a good top 130 00:04:49.259 --> 00:04:50.899 out of this show if it's the last thing I do. 131 00:04:50.920 --> 00:04:52.519 What do you mean get a good top out of 132 00:04:52.579 --> 00:04:53.019 this show? 133 00:04:53.220 --> 00:04:54.160 It's the beginning of the show. 134 00:04:54.199 --> 00:04:55.480 Top of the show, baby. 135 00:04:55.600 --> 00:04:58.579 Okay, I'm starting again because that was, your instincts today 136 00:04:58.639 --> 00:05:02.509 are awful. And yours are too. You both suck. Here 137 00:05:02.529 --> 00:05:02.930 we go. 138 00:05:02.990 --> 00:05:05.529 You suck. The fish rots from the head, sir. 139 00:05:05.550 --> 00:05:06.230 That's right. 140 00:05:06.250 --> 00:05:07.110 Thank you. 141 00:05:07.149 --> 00:05:08.689 Your suckiness is trickling down. 142 00:05:08.730 --> 00:05:11.269 The fish heads rot from the top. Hey, Conan O'Brien here. 143 00:05:12.300 --> 00:05:14.540 Welcome to Conan O'Brien Needs a Friend. We have tried 144 00:05:14.660 --> 00:05:19.139 seven times to start this podcast, and the assists I'm 145 00:05:19.180 --> 00:05:21.949 getting from my fellow players are just terrible. Instead of 146 00:05:22.009 --> 00:05:24.730 passing me the basketball, you guys are tossing it into 147 00:05:24.750 --> 00:05:28.050 the stands and then shooting yourselves with a German Luger. Matt, 148 00:05:28.069 --> 00:05:28.529 how are you? 149 00:05:28.689 --> 00:05:31.670 I talked to Shakespeare AI the other day. You've got 150 00:05:31.709 --> 00:05:33.199 to hear me out on this. I'm telling you. 151 00:05:33.209 --> 00:05:35.199 Why are you so determined to ruin the top of 152 00:05:35.240 --> 00:05:38.060 the show? This is important to me. I've always wanted 153 00:05:38.079 --> 00:05:39.040 a good top of the show. 154 00:05:39.120 --> 00:05:39.740 I'm sorry. 155 00:05:39.860 --> 00:05:41.319 That's ridiculous. 156 00:05:41.920 --> 00:05:42.579 It's been my. 157 00:05:42.500 --> 00:05:44.670 Dream since I was a kid. Hey, I saw two 158 00:05:44.750 --> 00:05:45.899 coyotes this morning. 159 00:05:46.000 --> 00:05:48.490 Hey, now we're onto something. What were they doing? 160 00:05:48.569 --> 00:05:51.949 They were crossing the street and I was terrified seeing 161 00:05:51.990 --> 00:05:52.420 them do it. 162 00:05:52.449 --> 00:05:53.290 It was very frogger. 163 00:05:53.310 --> 00:05:54.529 That happens every day. 164 00:05:54.769 --> 00:05:57.350 No, but it was like really heavy traffic. And I 165 00:05:57.370 --> 00:05:59.689 was like, they're going to die. And then I was like, 166 00:05:59.730 --> 00:06:02.370 do I want? No, I wasn't. I was rooting for 167 00:06:02.449 --> 00:06:04.250 the coyotes. I don't want them to die. 168 00:06:04.269 --> 00:06:06.829 You were worried for them. 169 00:06:07.110 --> 00:06:07.819 But they'll tear up. 170 00:06:07.889 --> 00:06:11.149 Can I just say something, Matt? Everything you've contributed today

sucks. 171 00:06:13.019 --> 00:06:16.500 You're throwing in, you're not helping. I'm understanding her and 172 00:06:16.540 --> 00:06:20.959 you keep throwing these giant steel anvils into the conversation 173 00:06:20.980 --> 00:06:23.620 and clanging away. And now you're giving me a rap 174 00:06:24.610 --> 00:06:27.490 like we got it. No, we're not out of time. 175 00:06:27.509 --> 00:06:31.290 We're going to get something good. So you saw two coyotes, 176 00:06:31.329 --> 00:06:31.750 did you? 177 00:06:32.050 --> 00:06:32.269 I did. 178 00:06:32.310 --> 00:06:33.029 Tell me about it. 179 00:06:33.050 --> 00:06:39.110 Now, I'm taking away your speaking privileges for the next year. So, Sona. Yeah. 180 00:06:39.350 --> 00:06:41.990 Curious about these coyotes. A lot of people in this 181 00:06:42.089 --> 00:06:44.970 world haven't seen a coyote. It's like a dog only skinnier. 182 00:06:44.990 --> 00:06:45.810 You know what? It is. 183 00:06:45.870 --> 00:06:47.980 It's like a dog only skinnier. And every time I 184 00:06:48.000 --> 00:06:48.259 see him. 185 00:06:48.250 --> 00:06:48.420 I'm like. 186 00:06:48.439 --> 00:06:50.000 You're trading my content for this? 187 00:06:50.019 --> 00:06:53.060 Shut up. I'm on fire right now. 188 00:06:53.079 --> 00:06:53.540 She's on fire. 189 00:06:53.560 --> 00:06:54.339 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 190 00:06:54.360 --> 00:06:56.120 She's got a hot hand and you keep knocking her 191 00:06:56.160 --> 00:06:58.199 royal flush out of her hand. You're off. And you're 192 00:06:58.220 --> 00:07:01.259 playing hungry, hungry hippos in the corner like a drunk idiot. 193 00:07:01.300 --> 00:07:01.800 Go ahead, Sona. 194 00:07:01.819 --> 00:07:02.399 Yeah, you're off. 195 00:07:02.480 --> 00:07:04.500 I'm on today. So, the coyotes. 196 00:07:04.519 --> 00:07:04.839 Yes, Sona. 197 00:07:05.000 --> 00:07:07.639 So, I'm watching them and I'm like, these coyotes. Animals 198 00:07:07.670 --> 00:07:08.629 will kill Oki. 199 00:07:08.709 --> 00:07:10.310 Yeah. That's your dog, Oki. 200 00:07:10.350 --> 00:07:13.050 Do I cheer for their demise? Or do I want 201 00:07:13.089 --> 00:07:14.569 them to live? And you know what? I want them 202 00:07:14.610 --> 00:07:14.910 to live. 203 00:07:14.970 --> 00:07:15.149 Yes. 204 00:07:15.470 --> 00:07:17.449 I root for animals to live in the wild. I do. 205 00:07:17.550 --> 00:07:21.120 Even if they're coyotes. I root for all animals everywhere. Man, Sona. 206 00:07:21.379 --> 00:07:21.899 Preach! 207 00:07:22.439 --> 00:07:23.279 Preach! 208 00:07:24.040 --> 00:07:27.000 You were great today, Sona. That was terrific. We learned 209 00:07:27.019 --> 00:07:29.579 about wildlife and about your neighborhood. And then you. 210 00:07:29.639 --> 00:07:31.860 I'm so glad I seeded the floor for that. That 211 00:07:31.920 --> 00:07:33.360 was really top notch. 212 00:07:33.420 --> 00:07:35.480 Also, I spoke to a Shakespeare AI. 213 00:07:35.500 --> 00:07:39.180 I hate the opening and I apologize to everyone. 214 00:07:39.199 --> 00:07:39.519 I'm listening. 215 00:07:39.600 --> 00:07:39.879 I'm listening. 216 00:07:40.610 --> 00:07:43.189 Hey, man, let's just start talking. And whatever we say 217 00:07:43.209 --> 00:07:45.819 will be great. And play will be like, yeah, man, 218 00:07:45.860 --> 00:07:47.980 it was really great. Look at all the laughs we're having. 219 00:07:48.100 --> 00:07:48.939 I rest my case. 220 00:07:49.000 --> 00:07:50.600 We're having a good time. Do you want to start 221 00:07:50.660 --> 00:07:54.019 it again and then wrap? Hey, and welcome to Conan O'Brien. 222 00:07:54.060 --> 00:07:56.060 He's a friend. I'm Conan. You don't need to know 223 00:07:56.100 --> 00:07:59.480 the rest. You're going to love today's show. My guest 224 00:07:59.519 --> 00:08:04.209 today is co-creator, showrunner, and writer of an actually good show. 225 00:08:05.110 --> 00:08:08.939 The Emmy award-winning series that's thought about beforehand. They don't 226 00:08:08.980 --> 00:08:12.920 just throw it out there like a bucket of diarrhea. Hacked. 227 00:08:15.269 --> 00:08:18.410 I'm thrilled he's here today because he actually makes something 228 00:08:18.490 --> 00:08:24.490 people enjoy that has thought, structure, content. Paul W. Downs, welcome. 229 00:08:24.550 --> 00:08:25.589 You didn't pause. 230 00:08:26.560 --> 00:08:27.500 Oh my God. 231 00:08:27.680 --> 00:08:29.259 I'm thrilled he's here today. 232 00:08:29.279 --> 00:08:38.519 Paul W. 233 00:08:38.539 --> 00:08:45.580 Downs, welcome. I am an admirer. 234 00:08:46.860 --> 00:08:47.220 Thank you. 235 00:08:47.240 --> 00:08:52.309 Likewise. And of course, I want to shout out your 236 00:08:52.370 --> 00:08:56.019 cohorts on Hacks at the very top. Your lovely wife. 237 00:08:56.080 --> 00:08:56.320 Yes. 238 00:08:57.299 --> 00:08:59.279 Lucia. Lucia. I want to make sure you said it 239 00:08:59.340 --> 00:09:01.200 first because I was afraid that I would. Oh, I 240 00:09:01.220 --> 00:09:03.299 was looking at like Lucia, but I've also heard it 241 00:09:03.340 --> 00:09:05.480 pronounced Lucia. Yep. Lucia. 242 00:09:05.519 --> 00:09:07.950 There's Lucia. It's it is a it is it is 243 00:09:07.970 --> 00:09:08.419 a tricky one. 244 00:09:08.470 --> 00:09:09.350 Jen Stotsky. 245 00:09:09.429 --> 00:09:09.690 Yes. 246 00:09:10.389 --> 00:09:12.029 I thought you were waiting for me to say which 247 00:09:12.070 --> 00:09:13.730 of the two I was married to. Sometimes that is 248 00:09:13.789 --> 00:09:14.210 a question. 249 00:09:14.570 --> 00:09:15.669 I thought it might be a throuple. 250 00:09:15.889 --> 00:09:18.690 Hey, you're not alone if you if you read the tweets, 251 00:09:18.850 --> 00:09:20.759 you know, I don't. I don't, but I've heard. 252 00:09:20.919 --> 00:09:24.500 I write the tweets. Okay. I'm putting it out there 253 00:09:24.519 --> 00:09:25.379 that it's a throuple. 254 00:09:25.460 --> 00:09:26.440 Hey, from your mouth to. 255 00:09:26.440 --> 00:09:28.379

Because you know what? That gets a lot of heat 256 00:09:28.419 --> 00:09:30.139 out there. You just want the clicks. 257 00:09:30.179 --> 00:09:31.580 That's all I want. It's about clicks. 258 00:09:32.919 --> 00:09:37.090 Hacks is a wonderful show. Thank you. And I'm always 259 00:09:37.129 --> 00:09:40.009 suspicious when a show is going to... And I've run 260 00:09:40.049 --> 00:09:43.409 into you a bunch of times. And I remembered saying 261 00:09:43.450 --> 00:09:47.269 this to Gene Smart and Hannah. I remember telling them 262 00:09:47.750 --> 00:09:50.500 when I've bumped into them... that I'm suspicious when a 263 00:09:50.559 --> 00:09:52.799 show is going to portray people that are trying to 264 00:09:52.870 --> 00:09:56.389 create comedy, think of comedy, I think usually it goes 265 00:09:56.450 --> 00:10:00.360 wrong because, and it's difficult, but if you're trying if 266 00:10:00.379 --> 00:10:04.659 there's a movie that's portraying someone sculpting, a sculptor's gonna 267 00:10:04.679 --> 00:10:06.600 watch it and go, that's not how you do it. 268 00:10:07.159 --> 00:10:09.620 Oh my God. Well, that's how sculptors talk. 269 00:10:09.759 --> 00:10:11.519 What happened to this sculptor? 270 00:10:11.759 --> 00:10:14.759 This sculptor, by the way, was injured. I got that far. 271 00:10:14.820 --> 00:10:15.840 A marble fell on him. 272 00:10:15.940 --> 00:10:19.259 A chisel fell from a high height. And did the 273 00:10:19.299 --> 00:10:20.240 hurt his brain. 274 00:10:21.379 --> 00:10:24.070 What happened? 275 00:10:24.190 --> 00:10:26.590 I think he's attempting an accent, but it's more of 276 00:10:26.669 --> 00:10:27.549 a like actual disability. 277 00:10:27.570 --> 00:10:29.590 This is an injured guy. 278 00:10:29.649 --> 00:10:32.110 And he's, you know, this is not a foreign man. 279 00:10:32.149 --> 00:10:32.690 This is a man. 280 00:10:32.830 --> 00:10:34.149 Oh, it's not a foreign man. 281 00:10:34.200 --> 00:10:34.480 No, no. 282 00:10:34.509 --> 00:10:35.960 He was just injured by a high falling chisel. He's 283 00:10:35.980 --> 00:10:36.399 from New Jersey. 284 00:10:36.440 --> 00:10:36.960 He's from New Jersey. 285 00:10:37.000 --> 00:10:43.179 And he has Springsteen. But a very terrible, terrible injury. 286 00:10:44.240 --> 00:10:45.000 Stupid. 287 00:10:45.019 --> 00:10:47.870 So stupid. I apologize. And the point that I'm going 288 00:10:47.879 --> 00:10:49.409 to get back to, which began as a compliment and 289 00:10:49.429 --> 00:10:54.190 then turned into probably just a horrible sketch. It's almost 290 00:10:54.330 --> 00:10:56.789 impossible to do it. And then you guys come up 291 00:10:56.809 --> 00:11:00.750 with hacks and I see people struggling to create comedy 292 00:11:00.769 --> 00:11:03.110 and then perform comedy. And I think, oh, I think 293 00:11:03.129 --> 00:11:07.110 that's the closest I've seen to how it really is. 294 00:11:07.129 --> 00:11:09.360 Thank you. And of course, that comes from you guys 295 00:11:09.379 --> 00:11:13.080 being very talented, but also being still quite young and 296 00:11:13.159 --> 00:11:16.690 coming from this world. Yeah. Yeah. You started out, I mean, 297 00:11:17.110 --> 00:11:20.629 as a kid, you were making content all the time, 298 00:11:20.889 --> 00:11:22.600 even if it was just for yourself. 299 00:11:22.700 --> 00:11:23.519 It was just for myself. 300 00:11:23.779 --> 00:11:24.360 Yeah. 301 00:11:24.379 --> 00:11:26.940 There was no social media. There was no YouTube. Thank goodness, 302 00:11:27.000 --> 00:11:27.320 I think. 303 00:11:27.419 --> 00:11:28.419 You're 77 years old. 304 00:11:28.460 --> 00:11:28.879 That's right. 305 00:11:28.980 --> 00:11:29.299 That's right. 306 00:11:29.320 --> 00:11:30.259 That's what it says here. 307 00:11:30.299 --> 00:11:32.799 There wasn't even cellular, actually. 308 00:11:33.990 --> 00:11:34.330 Wow. 309 00:11:34.470 --> 00:11:34.669 Yeah. 310 00:11:34.769 --> 00:11:37.399 I had the stick and hoop. And I was entertaining 311 00:11:37.419 --> 00:11:39.580 myself with a stick and hoop. 312 00:11:40.279 --> 00:11:41.799 Sometimes you play with the butter churn. 313 00:11:41.820 --> 00:11:43.789 Yeah. Oh, my gosh. 314 00:11:43.889 --> 00:11:47.330 But you were making content. And this I can relate 315 00:11:47.370 --> 00:11:50.070 to because I don't think I needed an audience if 316 00:11:50.110 --> 00:11:52.590 I was in my room. Right. I was doing this shit. 317 00:11:52.669 --> 00:11:55.759 And you seem like a similar fellow to me. 318 00:11:55.759 --> 00:11:55.789 100%. 319 00:11:55.789 --> 00:11:55.820 100%. 320 00:11:55.820 --> 00:11:57.799 And what an honor for you to say that. 321 00:11:57.820 --> 00:11:58.259 But, yeah, I am. 322 00:12:00.600 --> 00:12:02.600 I would entertain myself in the mirror. I wish my 323 00:12:02.639 --> 00:12:04.360 son did that, because now I have a toddler who 324 00:12:04.379 --> 00:12:05.740 needs a lot of attention. And I was like, I 325 00:12:06.480 --> 00:12:08.440 entertain myself for hours, you know? 326 00:12:08.559 --> 00:12:11.490 All you need is a mirror and delusion. 327 00:12:11.690 --> 00:12:12.190 Exactly. 328 00:12:12.789 --> 00:12:14.990 I still have both. In equal measure. 329 00:12:15.049 --> 00:12:15.289 Yeah. 330 00:12:15.450 --> 00:12:19.450 Let's talk about your creation story. It was interesting to 331 00:12:19.490 --> 00:12:21.990 me because the minute I saw you and your work, 332 00:12:22.049 --> 00:12:25.419 I thought, well, they're all improvisers. And then I find 333 00:12:25.460 --> 00:12:29.519 out that you started doing standup initially or dabbled in 334 00:12:29.539 --> 00:12:32.159 standup a little bit. Yes. And it's interesting because I 335 00:12:33.019 --> 00:12:36.090 always knew. I mean, I did early, early on, I 336 00:12:36.110 --> 00:12:39.929 did some emceeing, but I knew I needed a gang. 337 00:12:40.529 --> 00:12:43.929 I needed either my gang of writers or I needed 338

00:12:44.509 --> 00:12:48.289 my improv gang. I needed some kind of a squad. 339 00:12:48.950 --> 00:12:52.870 That I understood early on. When did you figure out 340 00:12:52.889 --> 00:12:56.149 that that was kind of... what you were looking for? 341 00:12:56.240 --> 00:12:58.500 You know, I, I did, I always, I did sketch 342 00:12:58.820 --> 00:13:00.700 in high school. I did sketch and improv in college. 343 00:13:00.740 --> 00:13:03.759 And then when I moved to New York, I, I 344 00:13:03.820 --> 00:13:04.820 was like, you know, I want to be a, I 345 00:13:05.240 --> 00:13:06.879 want to be an actor. I'm going to just audition 346 00:13:06.899 --> 00:13:09.480 for things and, and I'll do standup. I'll try my 347 00:13:09.500 --> 00:13:12.240 hand at that because I, I idolized standups and always 348 00:13:12.259 --> 00:13:14.830 loved watching standup. I watched like, you know, premium blend 349 00:13:14.870 --> 00:13:17.009 on comedy central growing up where there was a lot 350 00:13:17.049 --> 00:13:19.889 of female standups who I admire a lot. And, um, 351 00:13:20.350 --> 00:13:21.850 so I tried it and I found it really lonely. 352 00:13:22.220 --> 00:13:23.159 I found it really hard. 353 00:13:23.200 --> 00:13:23.379 Yes. 354 00:13:23.659 --> 00:13:25.299 I was also doing a lot of characters. And at 355 00:13:25.340 --> 00:13:27.320 the time, you know, I think there are like phases 356 00:13:27.360 --> 00:13:29.580 that stand up goes through. And at the time I 357 00:13:29.600 --> 00:13:31.100 would say, hey, I have a couple of sound cues. 358 00:13:31.200 --> 00:13:32.600 Do you guys have tech? And they were like, what? 359 00:13:33.279 --> 00:13:33.960 They're like tech. 360 00:13:34.000 --> 00:13:34.360 I was like, yeah. 361 00:13:34.379 --> 00:13:35.279 Do you mind if I bring out a wig and 362 00:13:35.299 --> 00:13:37.240 a rattle? And they were like, all right, I don't 363 00:13:37.259 --> 00:13:39.120 think you belong here. And it didn't really work. 364 00:13:40.600 --> 00:13:43.419 Seinfeld requested none of this. No. 365 00:13:43.659 --> 00:13:45.379 And now it's so funny because now I see stand 366 00:13:45.440 --> 00:13:47.659 up and a lot of people have PowerPoints and they 367 00:13:47.679 --> 00:13:49.549 have tons of tech and a lot of sound, you know. 368 00:13:50.120 --> 00:13:52.730 So it's different now, but when I was doing it, I, I, 369 00:13:53.250 --> 00:13:55.029 for a minute and I didn't mean a minute, I 370 00:13:55.070 --> 00:13:57.690 was probably four or five months after graduating that I 371 00:13:57.750 --> 00:14:00.549 didn't do improv and I did stand up, found it 372 00:14:00.590 --> 00:14:03.029 very hard. And then I went to the upright citizens 373 00:14:03.070 --> 00:14:05.879 brigade and did improv and sketch because I missed it. 374 00:14:06.299 --> 00:14:09.700 You get to UCB and there you meet, you start 375 00:14:09.720 --> 00:14:10.480 to meet your people. 376 00:14:10.759 --> 00:14:10.940 Yeah. 377 00:14:11.340 --> 00:14:16.799 Not just Lucia, Jen, Lucia. It's like cappuccino. 378 00:14:17.039 --> 00:14:17.730 You know, that's how you. 379 00:14:17.909 --> 00:14:18.450 Lucia. 380 00:14:18.669 --> 00:14:18.970 Lucia. 381 00:14:18.990 --> 00:14:19.070 Okay. 382 00:14:19.090 --> 00:14:21.750 Yeah. I'm Conando for this interview. 383 00:14:21.769 --> 00:14:23.029 Did you just get hit with a chisel? 384 00:14:23.080 --> 00:14:24.559 Conando. Conando, yes. 385 00:14:24.580 --> 00:14:25.500 Conando from New Jersey. 386 00:14:26.460 --> 00:14:29.440 She's Lucia. Excuse me, I don't think they are. I 387 00:14:29.460 --> 00:14:30.639 think they show a great caring. 388 00:14:32.259 --> 00:14:32.759 It's empathy. 389 00:14:33.440 --> 00:14:36.940 Thank you so much. And that's now recorded. I can 390 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:39.440 use that at the trial. Abby Jacobson. 391 00:14:39.600 --> 00:14:39.850 Yes. 392 00:14:39.970 --> 00:14:46.389 Leona Glazer. You start working with these hilarious people. This 393 00:14:46.450 --> 00:14:49.230 is where you start to find... Oh, we're all like-minded. 394 00:14:49.250 --> 00:14:50.370 We're in a groove here. 395 00:14:50.429 --> 00:14:50.690 Yes. 396 00:14:50.990 --> 00:14:52.620 That's such a magical moment, isn't it? 397 00:14:53.190 --> 00:14:55.330 It was, it was, it saved me, I think, you know, 398 00:14:55.370 --> 00:14:57.289 especially moving to New York and I don't know, you 399 00:14:57.330 --> 00:14:59.289 moved to New York, you have survival jobs. 400 00:14:59.350 --> 00:15:01.250 It's really hard. Living there is hard. 401 00:15:01.549 --> 00:15:04.389 And, um, finding people that were like-minded, had a similar 402 00:15:04.409 --> 00:15:08.470 sense of humor, um, was huge for all of us, 403 00:15:08.549 --> 00:15:10.570 I feel like, you know, and it really, we found 404 00:15:10.610 --> 00:15:13.210 our people and started to make things and the. 405 00:15:13.129 --> 00:15:15.070 Rest is kind of history. It is the same thing. 406 00:15:16.710 --> 00:15:18.990 not just in comedy, but I think for musicians. 407 00:15:20.009 --> 00:15:26.929 Sculptors, it's across the board because I so remember kind 408 00:15:26.980 --> 00:15:30.039 of finding some of my group in college and then 409 00:15:30.080 --> 00:15:34.299 getting out to LA and doing improv at the Groundlings 410 00:15:34.379 --> 00:15:37.019 and starting to find my people. 411 00:15:37.759 --> 00:15:41.269 And you start to think, hey, I'm not crazy. That 412 00:15:41.309 --> 00:15:43.570 was the first feeling I had is there were all 413 00:15:43.590 --> 00:15:46.129 those years where I just thought, well, something's wrong with me. 414 00:15:46.679 --> 00:15:48.519 And yes, there probably is. But then you find other 415 00:15:48.559 --> 00:15:52.379 people with the same issues, whatever it is, issues, malady. Yeah. 416 00:15:52.460 --> 00:15:54.659 And you're all having fun and you're meeting at a 417 00:15:54.710 --> 00:15:58.070

diner afterwards to talk down the show. And it's few 418 00:15:58.110 --> 00:15:59.850 things will replace that joy. Yes. 419 00:16:00.129 --> 00:16:02.570 I mean, I, I, I think about that a lot that, 420 00:16:02.929 --> 00:16:04.710 I mean, I, we still do it. I'm so lucky 421 00:16:04.750 --> 00:16:06.970 to still do it with my best friend and my wife, 422 00:16:07.029 --> 00:16:10.029 but us doing shows and going exactly to a diner 423 00:16:10.149 --> 00:16:12.210 and talking about the show or talking about something we'd 424 00:16:12.250 --> 00:16:15.659 watched or talking about a sketch we'd seen, you know, and. 425 00:16:16.169 --> 00:16:16.590 It's weird. 426 00:16:16.610 --> 00:16:19.580 It is like a special language that people share, I think, 427 00:16:19.600 --> 00:16:20.919 when they have a similar sense of humor. And that's 428 00:16:20.940 --> 00:16:23.600 not just comedians. Of course, it's a deeper level in 429 00:16:23.620 --> 00:16:25.740 a way for people that try and do it professionally. 430 00:16:25.779 --> 00:16:29.500 But I feel like anybody that you have a similar 431 00:16:29.539 --> 00:16:31.019 sense of humor with and who can make you laugh, 432 00:16:31.080 --> 00:16:33.539 it's just such a unique and special thing. 433 00:16:33.570 --> 00:16:35.690 Now, here's the interesting thing to me, or an area 434 00:16:35.710 --> 00:16:44.019 that's interesting, is that you have this world of making comedy... jokes, bits, sketches, 435 00:16:44.320 --> 00:16:49.259 inside references with your friends, and you're making content at UCB, 436 00:16:49.519 --> 00:16:52.659 you're putting stuff up, you're having fun. And then at 437 00:16:53.240 --> 00:16:57.289 some point, if you're very fortunate and also good at 438 00:16:57.330 --> 00:17:01.669 what you do, it turns into a business and pressure 439 00:17:01.730 --> 00:17:06.170 is applied and expectations are applied and there are budgets. 440 00:17:06.369 --> 00:17:08.490 And there's a lot of people around looking at you 441 00:17:08.599 --> 00:17:14.720 and saying, um, Hey, what's going on today. And I've 442 00:17:14.759 --> 00:17:18.000 always found it interesting that one of the challenges is 443 00:17:18.059 --> 00:17:20.119 to make sure you still keep the joy in it 444 00:17:20.970 --> 00:17:24.190 when that is applied. And when I think about hacks, 445 00:17:24.650 --> 00:17:28.930 this is a big show. I drive around LA and 446 00:17:29.250 --> 00:17:33.349 there are giant buildings that are just dedicated. They've been 447 00:17:33.369 --> 00:17:36.430 painted over The windows, people can't see out their windows 448 00:17:36.509 --> 00:17:39.569 anymore because Gene Smart's face has been painted over them. 449 00:17:39.589 --> 00:17:40.630 It's blocking the view, yeah. 450 00:17:40.690 --> 00:17:43.700 It's a children's hospital. These poor, sick kids. 451 00:17:43.710 --> 00:17:45.279 They need light surgery. 452 00:17:45.380 --> 00:17:47.380 I know. They're operating in the dark. 453 00:17:47.599 --> 00:17:48.390 There's no vitamin D. 454 00:17:48.380 --> 00:17:51.539 Because a giant kind of eye binder. I mean, it's 455 00:17:51.619 --> 00:17:56.440 terrible what's happening to children. Sorry again. It's a big show. 456 00:17:56.579 --> 00:18:01.700 It's a big deal. And it's a smash hit. And 457 00:18:02.079 --> 00:18:06.660 so you've got to... be adults and you've got to 458 00:18:07.079 --> 00:18:11.069 meet expectations and you've got a big fan base, but 459 00:18:11.089 --> 00:18:13.329 you also have to keep that silly joy going. 460 00:18:13.690 --> 00:18:13.990 Yeah. 461 00:18:14.029 --> 00:18:15.609 Do you talk about that for a little bit? 462 00:18:15.829 --> 00:18:18.369 Well, that is so funny. It's, it's, it's true. 463 00:18:18.390 --> 00:18:21.279 I mean, our first, our first job job was, um, 464 00:18:21.740 --> 00:18:23.559 was on broad city and at comedy central, it was 465 00:18:23.599 --> 00:18:25.599 a low budget show. You know, we didn't know if 466 00:18:25.619 --> 00:18:26.940 it would break through. We didn't know if he would 467 00:18:26.980 --> 00:18:29.019 watch and we kind of, it was like, I was 468 00:18:29.039 --> 00:18:30.980 almost kids in a candy store. You know, there was 469 00:18:31.019 --> 00:18:32.839 just us figuring out how to make TV because we 470 00:18:32.859 --> 00:18:33.430 had never done it. 471 00:18:33.420 --> 00:18:35.829 And you're doing it. My favorite kind of comedy is 472 00:18:35.869 --> 00:18:37.730 when I can tell people are doing this for themselves. 473 00:18:37.990 --> 00:18:38.390 Oh, yeah. 474 00:18:38.670 --> 00:18:41.730 And I think one of the things I loved about 475 00:18:42.069 --> 00:18:44.089 Broad City, and it's the same thing I would have 476 00:18:44.109 --> 00:18:48.450 said about classic SCTV or so many shows that I loved, 477 00:18:49.089 --> 00:18:51.579 is that. I had the impression that they were doing 478 00:18:51.599 --> 00:18:54.299 this for themselves to make themselves laugh. And then I 479 00:18:54.339 --> 00:18:55.849 just happened to be stumbling upon it. 480 00:18:55.940 --> 00:18:56.200 Yes. 481 00:18:56.460 --> 00:18:58.250 And that was some of the beauty of it. 482 00:18:58.380 --> 00:18:59.039 Yeah, totally. 483 00:18:59.079 --> 00:19:02.119 And, you know, that we kind of showcase that in 484 00:19:02.160 --> 00:19:04.900 a way in episode four of the season when Deborah 485 00:19:04.940 --> 00:19:07.420 just looks at one person and looks at Ava, because 486 00:19:07.539 --> 00:19:11.240 I remember doing solo shows at UCB, several, which is 487 00:19:11.259 --> 00:19:14.859 embarrassing to say. I did several solo shows and sometimes 488 00:19:15.000 --> 00:19:16.500 no one would be laughing except Lucia. 489 00:19:16.519 --> 00:19:16.619 Yeah. 490 00:19:17.609 --> 00:19:19.430 And I was like, okay, it's good. I must marry 491 00:19:19.509 --> 00:19:19.769 this woman. 492 00:19:20.670 --> 00:19:23.950 And then I will call

her Lucia. 493 00:19:25.029 --> 00:19:28.250 Her true name, Lucia. You're not fooling anyone. I've been 494 00:19:28.269 --> 00:19:30.130 to the DMV. I know how you spell your name. 495 00:19:30.150 --> 00:19:32.279 But yeah, we try. 496 00:19:32.440 --> 00:19:35.279 And that's, I think, the secret of this show's success 497 00:19:35.319 --> 00:19:37.279 is also that we continue to try and make each 498 00:19:37.299 --> 00:19:37.720 other laugh. 499 00:19:37.740 --> 00:19:38.480 I mean, that's what we do. 500 00:19:38.920 --> 00:19:40.720 When the three of us are writing together, oftentimes we 501 00:19:40.839 --> 00:19:44.960 all write the same scene separately and then switch and 502 00:19:45.019 --> 00:19:47.400 just highlight things we like. And then we combine them. 503 00:19:47.420 --> 00:19:49.950 So it's almost like a third draft and all I'm 504 00:19:50.009 --> 00:19:52.150 trying to do is make these two women laugh. So 505 00:19:52.450 --> 00:19:54.339 it is for each other as much as it is 506 00:19:54.380 --> 00:19:56.660 for everybody. And that was very true on Broad City. 507 00:19:56.980 --> 00:20:00.559 And it's still true on Hacks. And Lucia always talks 508 00:20:00.599 --> 00:20:02.880 about following the fun. You have to follow the fun. 509 00:20:02.920 --> 00:20:04.160 And we try and do that on set. And it's 510 00:20:04.180 --> 00:20:07.980 so hard when there's time and budgets and actors and 511 00:20:08.420 --> 00:20:11.859 crew and 300 people making something to balance all of 512 00:20:11.880 --> 00:20:15.190 that and still have the freedom to figure something out 513 00:20:15.390 --> 00:20:17.950 or to follow the fun of something is a real challenge. 514 00:20:17.970 --> 00:20:20.369 But we are there for each other to remind each 515 00:20:20.410 --> 00:20:20.980 other to do it. 516 00:20:21.289 --> 00:20:21.470 Yeah. 517 00:20:22.009 --> 00:20:23.069 Which is not easy, but. 518 00:20:23.269 --> 00:20:24.470 No, I wouldn't think it'd be easy, but I think 519 00:20:24.509 --> 00:20:27.910 you're also, you have such a funny cast of which 520 00:20:28.099 --> 00:20:29.960 you are a part, which is interesting. You wear so 521 00:20:29.980 --> 00:20:34.180 many hats on this show, but Megan Stalter is so funny. 522 00:20:34.380 --> 00:20:42.690 So funny. You get me started on Jean Smart. who's just, 523 00:20:42.730 --> 00:20:45.210 she is funny in so many different ways. 524 00:20:45.289 --> 00:20:45.569 Yes. 525 00:20:45.890 --> 00:20:49.190 And when I watch her perform, I think she's not 526 00:20:49.210 --> 00:20:51.569 hitting one note. She's not hitting five notes. She can 527 00:20:51.619 --> 00:20:55.500 hit every note in the register. And I'm so in 528 00:20:55.579 --> 00:20:57.480 awe of her and happy for her that you guys 529 00:20:57.539 --> 00:21:01.519 created this because she needed a role. She's always been funny. 530 00:21:01.619 --> 00:21:01.839 Yeah. 531 00:21:02.200 --> 00:21:06.039 But this role shows you

that she's funny and she 532 00:21:06.059 --> 00:21:07.279 can break your heart. 533 00:21:07.339 --> 00:21:07.579 Yeah. 534 00:21:08.349 --> 00:21:08.690 I know. 535 00:21:08.869 --> 00:21:10.670 She is so good. I think you're right. 536 00:21:10.710 --> 00:21:13.569 Like, we often talk about the music of jokes and 537 00:21:13.589 --> 00:21:15.869 the sound and the rhythm. And, you know, sometimes you 538 00:21:15.890 --> 00:21:19.119 have to adjust an actor and help them make the 539 00:21:19.130 --> 00:21:21.519 sound you want. She always knocks it out of the 540 00:21:21.539 --> 00:21:23.400 park and then gives us more. And we're like, oh, 541 00:21:23.440 --> 00:21:25.440 my God, she hit a note we didn't even know. 542 00:21:25.960 --> 00:21:29.019 And it's so true that she also is so gifted 543 00:21:29.079 --> 00:21:31.799 as an actress that she plays those emotional beats in 544 00:21:31.819 --> 00:21:35.940 a way that it's we we cry at monitor a lot, 545 00:21:36.000 --> 00:21:39.009 which is crazy, you know, still. because she can break 546 00:21:39.029 --> 00:21:41.509 your heart. And she, yeah, she has been the funniest 547 00:21:41.529 --> 00:21:43.130 thing in so many things. I remember her on Frasier 548 00:21:43.759 --> 00:21:46.140 being so funny or in the Brady Bunch movie. I was, 549 00:21:46.259 --> 00:21:48.099 you know, I was like, the horny neighbor is the 550 00:21:48.140 --> 00:21:49.119 funniest part. 551 00:21:50.559 --> 00:21:53.119 I love the horny neighbor. It's so cool to have 552 00:21:53.160 --> 00:21:55.200 her show her range in the show. 553 00:22:06.180 --> 00:22:09.940 Good nights are about the people, the laughs, the real 554 00:22:09.980 --> 00:22:11.099 moments you don't want to miss. 555 00:22:11.579 --> 00:22:13.160 So why step outside? 556 00:22:14.059 --> 00:22:18.099 Velo tobacco-free nicotine pouches fits seamlessly into your night. Convenient 557 00:22:18.299 --> 00:22:22.519 and full of flavor. No breaks, no interruptions. Velo anytime, 558 00:22:22.640 --> 00:22:26.529 anywhere nicotine pouches. 18 and over contains tobacco-free nicotine and 559 00:22:26.569 --> 00:22:28.769 addictive substance. If you're new to Velo, start with Mellow. 560 00:22:28.849 --> 00:22:30.369 You should not use this product if you do not 561 00:22:30.470 --> 00:22:31.269 already use nicotine. 562 00:22:33.829 --> 00:22:37.519 Batteries, tech, toys and tools. They power our everyday lives. 563 00:22:38.079 --> 00:22:41.099 And inside them are materials like aluminium, cobalt, copper and 564 00:22:41.140 --> 00:22:43.880 lithium that can be used again and again. So when 565 00:22:43.900 --> 00:22:46.920 they're finished, don't let them go to waste. Recycle them 566 00:22:47.240 --> 00:22:50.690 for free. It's easy. Just return your old batteries and 567 00:22:50.730 --> 00:22:54.490 electricals for free recycling to your nearest participating retailer or 568 00:22:54.509 --> 00:22:58.029 your local recycling centre. Find

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Oh my God. 580 00:23:42.130 --> 00:23:43.730 I actually think you might be talking about a different 581 00:23:43.789 --> 00:23:45.890 person at this point. 582 00:23:45.910 --> 00:23:47.329 Who's, who's I'm sure wonderful as well. 583 00:23:47.369 --> 00:23:47.549 I'm sure. 584 00:23:47.670 --> 00:23:53.829 I'm talking about Lucia Aldente. Terrific comedy writer who lives 585 00:23:53.950 --> 00:23:55.210 on the island of Sardinia. 586 00:23:57.289 --> 00:23:58.910 Um, Oh my God. 587 00:23:59.630 --> 00:24:03.059 Uh, I'm never gonna say her name again. 588 00:24:03.079 --> 00:24:06.019 It's funny because you asked for clarity the first thing 589 00:24:06.039 --> 00:24:06.200 you did. 590 00:24:06.220 --> 00:24:08.529 I know, but I'm, can I say something? Maybe there 591 00:24:08.569 --> 00:24:11.250 is something wrong with me. Or maybe she and I 592 00:24:11.309 --> 00:24:13.789 have beef and this is my way of getting at her. 593 00:24:13.809 --> 00:24:15.150 It's so passive aggressive. 594 00:24:15.250 --> 00:24:18.349 It's so passive aggressive. She cut me off on the 595 00:24:18.349 --> 00:24:18.759 405 eight years ago. 596 00:24:21.170 --> 00:24:24.410 And her license plate is Lucia, so he knew. 597 00:24:24.430 --> 00:24:25.069 She can go by one name. 598 00:24:25.130 --> 00:24:27.059 And I rolled down my window, I went, Lucia? Lucia 599 00:24:27.099 --> 00:24:29.339 from now on. And she said, what? 600 00:24:30.240 --> 00:24:30.759 You'll see. 601 00:24:31.099 --> 00:24:39.059 I said, you'll see. Give this riff time to grow. Okay. Jen, Lucia, Megan, 602 00:24:39.240 --> 00:24:44.599 you've got two powerhouse female leads. It feels to me 603 00:24:44.700 --> 00:24:49.549 like you've, this has always been your comfort zone is Lucia. 604 00:24:50.349 --> 00:24:54.339 Being around all these funny women. Yeah. Broad City. Yeah. 605 00:24:54.539 --> 00:24:56.240 I was reading some article about you. It said that 606 00:24:56.299 --> 00:24:59.180 you had a revelation when you saw Young Frankenstein. 607 00:24:59.220 --> 00:24:59.400 Yeah. 608 00:24:59.900 --> 00:25:00.619 Tell me what that was. 609 00:25:01.319 --> 00:25:03.940 Well, so my dad is a comedy fan. And I 610 00:25:03.960 --> 00:25:06.690 remember watching Young Frankenstein as a kid and loving it. 611 00:25:06.730 --> 00:25:09.089 And of course, I loved Gene Wilder in it and 612 00:25:09.130 --> 00:25:12.269 wanted to be Gene Wilder. But I was really that 613 00:25:12.369 --> 00:25:15.299 my first like my foray into doing comedy. was to 614 00:25:15.339 --> 00:25:18.259 do Cloris Leachman's lines. 615 00:25:18.500 --> 00:25:19.460 Or Valtine, you know? 616 00:25:19.539 --> 00:25:21.740 And just to like, stay close to the candles, the 617 00:25:21.759 --> 00:25:23.539 stairs can be treacherous. 618 00:25:23.579 --> 00:25:25.420 Like, she was so funny. 619 00:25:25.279 --> 00:25:26.029 In that movie. 620 00:25:26.269 --> 00:25:27.829 And Terry Garr is so funny in the movie, and 621 00:25:27.849 --> 00:25:30.029 Madeline Kahn is so funny in that movie. And so, 622 00:25:30.630 --> 00:25:33.809 I always was like, well, I think the girls are 623 00:25:33.869 --> 00:25:35.210 funnier than the guys. 624 00:25:35.450 --> 00:25:38.549 And, I'll say this, who in the world is funnier 625 00:25:38.589 --> 00:25:42.519 than Gene Wilder? Gene Wilder, that is maybe... That is 626 00:25:42.650 --> 00:25:46.799 my favorite performance of his, and it's so beautifully honed. 627 00:25:47.460 --> 00:25:50.700 And we're talking about the women in the movie. I know. 628 00:25:51.240 --> 00:25:53.619 And I mean, he's one of the greats of all time, 629 00:25:53.660 --> 00:25:56.160 and he's giving the performance of a lifetime. And not 630 00:25:56.180 --> 00:25:59.559 to take anything away from him, but I can understand that. 631 00:25:59.960 --> 00:26:02.859 That's a great movie for anyone to see. 632 00:26:02.980 --> 00:26:04.400 Yeah. 633 00:26:04.619 --> 00:26:07.660 And learn very quickly that women are the funniest people 634 00:26:07.700 --> 00:26:08.079 in the room. 635 00:26:08.140 --> 00:26:09.960 Yeah, 100%. 636 00:26:09.960 --> 00:26:12.190 And it's true, I mean, Gene Wilder in that movie 637 00:26:12.549 --> 00:26:15.019 is so good because it's so grounded and yet so 638 00:26:15.079 --> 00:26:16.539 screwball and so crazy. 639 00:26:16.880 --> 00:26:20.160 He's just incredible in it. But I felt that way also. 640 00:26:20.480 --> 00:26:21.680 I was a Nick at Night kid, so I watched 641 00:26:21.700 --> 00:26:23.819 a lot of Nick at Night and watching I Love 642 00:26:23.859 --> 00:26:25.720 Lucy or Mary Tyler Moore. It was always it was 643 00:26:25.819 --> 00:26:28.980 always it was oftentimes a female story that I liked. 644 00:26:29.019 --> 00:26:31.589 I also, you know, I was never a jock. I 645 00:26:31.619 --> 00:26:32.390 was never you know what I mean? 646 00:26:32.410 --> 00:26:32.769 I never. 647 00:26:32.910 --> 00:26:33.470 Yeah, I know. 648 00:26:33.509 --> 00:26:33.970 Can you believe it? 649 00:26:35.619 --> 00:26:38.180 I was a jock, and then about a year

ago... What? 650 00:26:38.359 --> 00:26:39.660 We'll talk about it later. 651 00:26:39.700 --> 00:26:44.029 You stopped. You hung up the bat. You retired the bat, yeah. 652 00:26:44.640 --> 00:26:48.009 Most people assume I'm a real jock. You were saying... 653 00:26:47.809 --> 00:26:49.930 I'm sorry, I interrupted you with my stupid... But you 654 00:26:49.950 --> 00:26:52.049 were saying that you were noticing early on in Nick 655 00:26:52.089 --> 00:26:55.029 at Night, you're watching all these women, and a name 656 00:26:55.069 --> 00:26:58.069 you didn't mention, it was a thrilling moment for me. 657 00:26:58.109 --> 00:27:02.289 There's a moment where, this season, where Jean Smart goes 658 00:27:02.369 --> 00:27:04.930 to cardiologist just to get a checkup in the waiting 659 00:27:04.970 --> 00:27:07.660 room she sees carol burnett yeah we had carol burnett 660 00:27:07.680 --> 00:27:10.759 on the podcast about a year ago i've met carol 661 00:27:10.779 --> 00:27:14.200 a bunch of times and i will never be jaded 662 00:27:14.220 --> 00:27:19.140 i'm always walking on air afterwards yeah and she is 663 00:27:19.339 --> 00:27:22.750 still so sharp and so funny and she was great 664 00:27:23.069 --> 00:27:24.950 in that scene playing herself. 665 00:27:24.809 --> 00:27:29.769 Unbelievable unbelievably funny unbelievably sharp wanted to had things to add, 666 00:27:30.009 --> 00:27:31.670 was like, you know, I can do a Carol Channing impression. 667 00:27:31.829 --> 00:27:33.369 There was so much that she did. 668 00:27:33.950 --> 00:27:34.470 I can juggle. 669 00:27:34.650 --> 00:27:36.769 Yeah, I mean, honestly, it was really amazing. 670 00:27:36.789 --> 00:27:39.670 And we shot that at Television City, steps away from 671 00:27:39.710 --> 00:27:41.930 her stage where she shot the Carol Burnett show, which 672 00:27:41.970 --> 00:27:44.839 we had, you know, asked permission to feature last season 673 00:27:44.859 --> 00:27:47.319 when we shot there just to show it because she's 674 00:27:47.339 --> 00:27:50.519 such an inspiration for us. And we needed somebody in 675 00:27:50.559 --> 00:27:53.619 this season that Debra Vance could get sage wisdom from 676 00:27:53.660 --> 00:27:55.579 and look up to. And like, who better than Carol Burnett? 677 00:27:55.599 --> 00:27:57.930 And the fact that she responded to the show and 678 00:27:57.970 --> 00:27:59.809 wanted to do it. I mean, it was a goosebump 679 00:27:59.849 --> 00:28:00.849 moment for all of us. 680 00:28:00.890 --> 00:28:02.369 It was really crazy. 681 00:28:02.710 --> 00:28:06.390 The show delves into late night this year, which was 682 00:28:06.630 --> 00:28:10.589 fascinating for me because there are things that you cite 683 00:28:10.849 --> 00:28:15.250 in the show that I've lived through. And so I'll 684 00:28:15.269 --> 00:28:18.890 get a little bit of PTSD from watching it, but 685 00:28:18.930 --> 00:28:23.210 it's also really funny and apt, you know, like getting 686 00:28:23.549 --> 00:28:26.549 notes or this is what we heard about, you know, 687 00:28:26.589 --> 00:28:28.410 in the early days of my late night show, um, 688 00:28:29.970 --> 00:28:32.789 research and what are people saying and what do we 689 00:28:32.829 --> 00:28:36.029 need to try and adjust? And it was all stuff 690 00:28:36.049 --> 00:28:39.369 that just felt impossible. Yeah. I'm kind of reliving it 691 00:28:39.470 --> 00:28:41.589 a little bit through your show, but you guys are 692 00:28:41.630 --> 00:28:44.690 doing a very good job of hitting a bunch of 693 00:28:44.710 --> 00:28:46.410 the nerves, which means you're getting it right. 694 00:28:46.589 --> 00:28:47.869 That's good. That's good. 695 00:28:47.970 --> 00:28:50.250 I mean, you know, obviously like we, we talk about 696 00:28:50.289 --> 00:28:52.710 you and your shows a lot and we did a 697 00:28:52.730 --> 00:28:55.220 lot this season making it. And, um, We tried to 698 00:28:55.259 --> 00:28:56.180 get it right, you know? 699 00:28:56.319 --> 00:28:56.799 Oh yeah. 700 00:28:56.920 --> 00:29:00.440 And just writing the show about making the show was 701 00:29:00.480 --> 00:29:02.359 so stressful and so hard. I'm like, I didn't do 702 00:29:02.420 --> 00:29:04.759 five shows a week and have to do monologue jokes. 703 00:29:05.059 --> 00:29:08.539 And yet I viscerally, I felt the pressure of that. 704 00:29:08.680 --> 00:29:09.200 It's crazy. 705 00:29:09.259 --> 00:29:13.640 There's a great moment where Deborah Vance is trying out, 706 00:29:13.880 --> 00:29:15.589 she's meeting the new writers for the first time and 707 00:29:15.609 --> 00:29:18.990 they're going around the room and there's one, people were 708 00:29:19.029 --> 00:29:22.269 throwing out funny ideas and then there's one writer who's 709 00:29:22.369 --> 00:29:24.960 new who's just like, yeah, and then he says something 710 00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:27.819 that's not that funny, and- And then she farts. 711 00:29:28.359 --> 00:29:28.660 Yeah. 712 00:29:28.759 --> 00:29:31.880 And then she farts, because she farts. 713 00:29:32.549 --> 00:29:35.509 Which, by the way- Which is funny. It's very funny. Sorry. 714 00:29:35.690 --> 00:29:38.599 I would say head writer Yeah. Right away. 715 00:29:38.619 --> 00:29:39.160 He's promoted. 716 00:29:39.259 --> 00:29:40.000 Yeah. 717 00:29:40.059 --> 00:29:40.920 The fart guy's promoted. 718 00:29:41.059 --> 00:29:45.460 Yeah. Get fart guy back. But anyway, he does it twice, 719 00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:47.640 and you see Gene Smart notice it, and then Gene 720 00:29:47.680 --> 00:29:49.630 Smart writes on a piece of paper and slides it 721 00:29:49.730 --> 00:29:53.829 over to Hannah, and it says, riff killer. Which is 722 00:29:53.869 --> 00:29:57.230 such a great, because... It's a little inside baseball, but 723 00:29:57.430 --> 00:29:59.750 we call it riffing, which is people are in a room, 724 00:29:59.769 --> 00:30:02.109 they're coming up with good ideas, riffing.

And then she 725 00:30:02.150 --> 00:30:04.789 just sides across riff killer because we've all been in 726 00:30:04.829 --> 00:30:07.970 a room where things are cooking. And then one person 727 00:30:07.990 --> 00:30:10.799 in the room is like, yeah, and then maybe it's 728 00:30:10.859 --> 00:30:15.940 George W. Bush. And everyone has to reset. No one 729 00:30:15.960 --> 00:30:18.339 wants to be a dick. Yeah, exactly. And we all go. 730 00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:22.400 Eduardo's pointing to Blay. Oh, Blay. 731 00:30:22.660 --> 00:30:27.130 You know it's me. Okay, but you don't need to 732 00:30:27.170 --> 00:30:28.109 pretend I'm right here. 733 00:30:28.130 --> 00:30:29.779 You don't need to just talk about it. 734 00:30:29.789 --> 00:30:32.769 Some people are riff killers. He thought it was a compliment, 735 00:30:32.809 --> 00:30:36.890 so he got it tattooed. He got riff killer. 736 00:30:36.609 --> 00:30:38.210 Tattooed on his low back. 737 00:30:38.349 --> 00:30:42.609 That's nice. Riff killer. But anyway, I love that moment. 738 00:30:42.710 --> 00:30:44.650 And then I have to bring this up, which is 739 00:30:44.670 --> 00:30:47.190 because I just watched it last night. There's a scene 740 00:30:47.609 --> 00:30:53.569 where this killed me. It's a very funny joke and nonsensical. 741 00:30:54.140 --> 00:31:00.190 But Jean Smart, Deborah, has stolen, is trying to steal 742 00:31:00.210 --> 00:31:02.210 a guest away who would have been on Kimmel, and 743 00:31:02.250 --> 00:31:05.549 Kimmel's confronting her and saying, look, you know, I get 744 00:31:05.589 --> 00:31:08.069 this guest, you don't get this guest. She's trying to 745 00:31:08.430 --> 00:31:11.309 get Kristen Bell on her show, and Jimmy Kimmel confronts 746 00:31:11.349 --> 00:31:14.150 her and says, you don't get Kristen Bell, because she 747 00:31:14.170 --> 00:31:17.609 always does my show. She's been doing, I got sort 748 00:31:17.650 --> 00:31:21.799 of possession of having her as a guest, After Conan died. 749 00:31:23.900 --> 00:31:25.440 And you know what I loved about it is that 750 00:31:25.480 --> 00:31:28.059 it said with no one questions it. It's just like, 751 00:31:28.579 --> 00:31:30.920 since Conan died, you know, I get her after Conan died. 752 00:31:31.220 --> 00:31:34.940 And it's just like, that's understood. And I'm laughing because 753 00:31:35.049 --> 00:31:36.230 no one questions it. 754 00:31:36.650 --> 00:31:38.670 But in that universe, you're dead and you can never 755 00:31:38.710 --> 00:31:40.210 be on that show except the flashbacks. 756 00:31:40.470 --> 00:31:42.849 Oh no, don't say that. We definitely want you on 757 00:31:42.869 --> 00:31:43.650 the show. 758 00:31:43.710 --> 00:31:45.210 I think we've settled that score. 759 00:31:45.309 --> 00:31:45.769 No, no. 760 00:31:45.789 --> 00:31:47.809 I'm kidding, I'm kidding, I'm kidding. But it was so 761 00:31:47.950 --> 00:31:50.420 funny to me. It's such a funny... I always like 762 00:31:50.539

--> 00:31:53.480 jokes that upon examination, They make me laugh on a 763 00:31:53.519 --> 00:31:55.599 guttural level, but they also don't make sense. 764 00:31:55.619 --> 00:31:56.059 It makes no sense. 765 00:31:56.160 --> 00:31:59.640 And he says it the way we all know that 766 00:31:59.700 --> 00:32:03.740 Charles Lindbergh is dead. You know, it just, it was 767 00:32:03.859 --> 00:32:05.279 so funny. It was such a great moment. 768 00:32:05.359 --> 00:32:07.319 I have to give him credit because, you know, that 769 00:32:07.359 --> 00:32:09.240 was a Jimmy Kimmel improv line. 770 00:32:09.490 --> 00:32:10.250 Oh, wow. 771 00:32:10.390 --> 00:32:11.670 So I did not write that line. 772 00:32:11.710 --> 00:32:13.329 That's great. Let me write that down. 773 00:32:13.349 --> 00:32:13.769 Okay. 774 00:32:14.390 --> 00:32:18.970 He will be repaid in kind. I can't wait to 775 00:32:19.009 --> 00:32:20.190 mispronounce his name. 776 00:32:21.190 --> 00:32:24.549 Jamé. Jamé Kamal. Jamé, Jamé, Jamé. 777 00:32:24.930 --> 00:32:29.980 Lucia. Lucia, have you met Jamé? 778 00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:31.660 So you're very much alive in our universe. 779 00:32:31.859 --> 00:32:32.440 Oh, well, thank you. 780 00:32:32.500 --> 00:32:34.519 And I do mean it. I want to say it here. 781 00:32:34.960 --> 00:32:35.960 We would love to have you on the show. 782 00:32:36.039 --> 00:32:36.599 Oh, I would. 783 00:32:36.759 --> 00:32:37.750 We would absolutely love it. 784 00:32:37.839 --> 00:32:39.019 Then we can come up with a way that I 785 00:32:39.059 --> 00:32:39.819 was resuscitated. 786 00:32:39.839 --> 00:32:40.000 Okay. 787 00:32:40.019 --> 00:32:41.220 No, it's a joy to watch. 788 00:32:41.259 --> 00:32:41.460 And.... 789 00:32:49.450 --> 00:32:52.930 I think one of the things that's interesting to me 790 00:32:53.309 --> 00:32:56.269 is it's all about like a magician makes you believe 791 00:32:56.309 --> 00:32:59.049 in the illusion. And so I know it's a TV show, 792 00:32:59.490 --> 00:33:03.990 but you guys have me emotionally invested in what happens 793 00:33:04.039 --> 00:33:06.339 to Deborah Vance and does this late night show work? 794 00:33:07.240 --> 00:33:10.039 And I hope this late night show works out. Currently, 795 00:33:10.099 --> 00:33:13.500 things seem a little wobbly, but I'm emotionally invested in it, 796 00:33:13.500 --> 00:33:16.970 which means you've you're very good illusionists. Well, thank you. 797 00:33:16.990 --> 00:33:19.710 You know, you've, you've created this world that I'm completely 798 00:33:19.750 --> 00:33:20.690 invested in. Thank you. 799 00:33:20.710 --> 00:33:23.670 I mean, a lot of that credit goes to Jean 800 00:33:23.690 --> 00:33:26.269 and Hannah as well for making these characters so real. 801 00:33:26.289 --> 00:33:27.410 I feel that way too. 802 00:33:27.450 --> 00:33:29.029 I mean, I know, I know we write the show, 803 00:33:29.089 --> 00:33:31.359 but we, they feel so real to all of us. 804 00:33:31.470 -->

00:33:34.019 I think they do now to them as well. There 805 00:33:34.039 --> 00:33:36.940 are some, there's some scenes this season when I think 806 00:33:37.380 --> 00:33:39.079 both Jean and Hannah do some of their best work 807 00:33:39.119 --> 00:33:41.680 in the show. And we're like, God, that was good after. 808 00:33:41.700 --> 00:33:44.130 And they're like, I just said it because I feel, 809 00:33:44.190 --> 00:33:45.849 you know, I mean, now it's like so in their bones. 810 00:33:45.869 --> 00:33:47.950 They feel these characters are so real. 811 00:33:47.970 --> 00:33:50.490 I think something Hannah does really well just as an 812 00:33:50.559 --> 00:33:58.240 observer is that she clearly wants a maternal figure. She 813 00:33:58.279 --> 00:34:04.009 wants a connection with this incredibly tough, you know, Jean 814 00:34:04.029 --> 00:34:08.070 Smart character. And she wants this so badly, but she 815 00:34:08.130 --> 00:34:10.050 also knows she has to be tough. And there's this 816 00:34:10.130 --> 00:34:14.889 great moment where without giving anything away, but she gets 817 00:34:14.949 --> 00:34:19.030 a hug from Jean, and you see Hannah kind of 818 00:34:19.170 --> 00:34:22.909 melt a little bit because she's getting that connection that 819 00:34:22.969 --> 00:34:25.340 she really wants from not just her comedy hero, but 820 00:34:25.360 --> 00:34:28.679 also someone who she has a real connection with and 821 00:34:29.119 --> 00:34:32.059 cares about. And you see her soften a little bit, 822 00:34:32.139 --> 00:34:35.079 and then Jean Smart reveals that she's doing it just 823 00:34:35.119 --> 00:34:37.420 because there's a camera on the way. And that's why 824 00:34:37.460 --> 00:34:37.980 she's doing it. 825 00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:38.170 And.... 826 00:34:39.579 --> 00:34:40.980 She needs to make it look good for the camera. 827 00:34:41.000 --> 00:34:46.050 And you see the heartbreak. I mean, Hannah is killing it. 828 00:34:46.329 --> 00:34:47.130 She is incredible. 829 00:34:47.230 --> 00:34:47.469 Yeah. 830 00:34:47.510 --> 00:34:50.269 She is incredible. And she does, like you're saying, so 831 00:34:50.309 --> 00:34:52.590 much sometimes with no dialogue. You know, she's so funny 832 00:34:52.610 --> 00:34:54.869 and she's such a good stand-up herself. But yeah, she's 833 00:34:54.909 --> 00:34:59.199 so incredibly good. And it's hard, I think, to be 834 00:34:59.260 --> 00:35:01.599 that good. I mean, obviously, your scene partner does a 835 00:35:01.619 --> 00:35:03.980 lot of the lifting and helps you out. But to 836 00:35:04.039 --> 00:35:07.840 do what she does with Jean is really incredible. 837 00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:10.489 I don't know. I don't work with people that lift 838 00:35:10.550 --> 00:35:10.809 me up. 839 00:35:12.409 --> 00:35:13.869 Well, yeah, it's hard when you have to lift everyone up. 840 00:35:13.949 --> 00:35:15.650 I know it's hard. Can I just say for a second, 841 00:35:15.670 --> 00:35:17.710 I

feel like I'm an Olympic swimmer and I have 842 00:35:17.849 --> 00:35:19.360 two cinder blocks around my neck. 843 00:35:19.469 --> 00:35:20.760 Okay, you are a jock. 844 00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:21.340 Yes. 845 00:35:21.420 --> 00:35:23.239 If you can do that. 846 00:35:23.619 --> 00:35:24.940 We make you stronger. 847 00:35:24.980 --> 00:35:25.239 You do? 848 00:35:25.320 --> 00:35:25.570 Oh, I see. 849 00:35:25.579 --> 00:35:26.079 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 850 00:35:26.119 --> 00:35:27.559 We test you and make you stronger. 851 00:35:27.579 --> 00:35:28.219 You're welcome. 852 00:35:28.360 --> 00:35:29.239 That's what you want. 853 00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:31.449 And we're actively trying to drown it. 854 00:35:32.070 --> 00:35:34.210 It's called drag. It's called drag when you have cinder 855 00:35:34.230 --> 00:35:36.050 blocks as a swimmer. I was a swimmer, even though 856 00:35:36.070 --> 00:35:38.429 I wasn't a jock. You need the drag every now 857 00:35:38.449 --> 00:35:38.650 and again. 858 00:35:38.670 --> 00:35:39.489 You need a drag. 859 00:35:39.679 --> 00:35:42.880 I do. I do it. And I do need it. 860 00:35:42.900 --> 00:35:48.300 Your character, Jimmy, your relationship with Kayla, Megan Stalter, is, 861 00:35:48.320 --> 00:35:50.969 I will say this, I haven't seen, I don't think 862 00:35:51.010 --> 00:35:54.179 I've seen that relationship before. on TV before, do you 863 00:35:54.199 --> 00:35:57.230 know what I'm talking about? I love, love, love that relationship. 864 00:35:57.269 --> 00:36:00.010 It's a relationship, it's a dynamic that I have, and 865 00:36:00.389 --> 00:36:03.110 I'm flipping through my comedy nerd mind trying to find 866 00:36:03.150 --> 00:36:05.050 the same thing, and I'm like, nope, I don't think 867 00:36:05.090 --> 00:36:07.409 it's there. I think that's a new thing you've cracked. 868 00:36:07.550 --> 00:36:09.329 Thank you, I mean, you know, we- She's over the 869 00:36:09.369 --> 00:36:10.090 top insane. 870 00:36:10.110 --> 00:36:10.989 So insane, so insane. 871 00:36:11.030 --> 00:36:12.179 And you are trying much more. 872 00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:18.539 I love that. And I have some experience with an 873 00:36:18.599 --> 00:36:19.659 insane assistant. 874 00:36:19.780 --> 00:36:20.469 Oh, my God. 875 00:36:20.489 --> 00:36:21.650 But you know what I'm saying. 876 00:36:21.929 --> 00:36:24.130 No, I don't know what you're saying. I'm nothing like her. 877 00:36:24.250 --> 00:36:26.469 I do. But I love how different. 878 00:36:26.489 --> 00:36:27.670 What the fuck are you. 879 00:36:27.550 --> 00:36:28.670 Looking at me like that? 880 00:36:28.829 --> 00:36:30.269 I'm just looking. I'm just laughing. 881 00:36:30.289 --> 00:36:33.500 We have hours of footage of you acting insane. 882 00:36:34.500 --> 00:36:35.960 Oh, there's not enough footage. 883 00:36:35.699 --> 00:36:36.739 Of you being insane? 884 00:36:36.780 --> 00:36:37.940 I'm the star. 885 00:36:38.139 --> 00:36:41.639 I'm expected to be insane. At

least Paul's character is 886 00:36:41.679 --> 00:36:42.780 like a normal person. 887 00:36:42.800 --> 00:36:43.960 He's a normal boss. Yeah. 888 00:36:44.079 --> 00:36:44.679 You're insane. 889 00:36:44.699 --> 00:36:45.539 I love how patient you are. 890 00:36:45.559 --> 00:36:48.409 I love how patient you are. Your character is, Jimmy 891 00:36:48.469 --> 00:36:53.150 is with Kayla. And some of the comedy is to 892 00:36:53.170 --> 00:36:55.409 an absurd degree. And it reminds me a little bit 893 00:36:55.489 --> 00:36:58.289 of one of the things that makes Groucho so funny 894 00:36:58.409 --> 00:37:03.489 is Margaret Dumont. Because Margaret Dumont, he's acting insane- And 895 00:37:03.590 --> 00:37:05.710 she's next to him going like, oh, oh, crouch, oh. 896 00:37:05.969 --> 00:37:09.329 And then, well, anyway, let's move forward when anyone else 897 00:37:09.369 --> 00:37:12.130 would say, I'm getting the fuck away from this person. 898 00:37:12.150 --> 00:37:15.489 But what makes it work is you, you can't, the 899 00:37:15.510 --> 00:37:19.369 whole dynamic of yes and is you are sticking with Kayla, 900 00:37:19.389 --> 00:37:21.150 with Megan Stalter. You're going to stick with her and 901 00:37:21.170 --> 00:37:25.170 she's going to have awful, awful ideas with great confidence. 902 00:37:25.250 --> 00:37:25.590 Yes. 903 00:37:25.829 --> 00:37:26.010 Yeah. 904 00:37:26.070 --> 00:37:29.210 She's somebody who, well, Megan is so funny and so, 905 00:37:29.570 --> 00:37:33.219 so good. In everything she does. But when we, this 906 00:37:33.239 --> 00:37:36.219 is one character we kind of ripped from real life. 907 00:37:36.239 --> 00:37:38.619 This is based on a couple of assistants that people 908 00:37:38.639 --> 00:37:40.699 that we've worked with have had and that we've experienced. 909 00:37:41.099 --> 00:37:44.769 Sometimes who are nepo and have entitlement, but also a 910 00:37:44.789 --> 00:37:47.530 little bit of insecurity. Like having this extreme confidence and 911 00:37:47.570 --> 00:37:50.909 yet nerves is a really funny dynamic. And that is 912 00:37:50.949 --> 00:37:54.250 a duality that Meg plays in some of her original characters. 913 00:37:54.329 --> 00:37:56.309 So we were like, she would be great for this. 914 00:37:56.630 --> 00:37:58.030 And yeah, we thought it was really funny to have 915 00:37:58.070 --> 00:38:01.110 somebody who is, in the beginning at least, both his 916 00:38:01.159 --> 00:38:03.639 assistant and his boss kind of, because her dad owns 917 00:38:03.719 --> 00:38:05.380 the management firm that they work for. 918 00:38:05.400 --> 00:38:08.380 And now your initial problem is how do I get 919 00:38:08.440 --> 00:38:11.909 rid of this assistant? And now you're partners in this season. 920 00:38:12.070 --> 00:38:13.750 And I love that you just keep turning up the 921 00:38:13.789 --> 00:38:17.110 dial on. And what's also great is occasionally she has 922 00:38:17.130 --> 00:38:17.710 a good idea. 923

00:38:17.869 --> 00:38:18.550 Yeah, that's the thing. 924 00:38:19.190 --> 00:38:22.070 I do think that's true in the entertainment business and 925 00:38:22.150 --> 00:38:24.619 in management. You have to sometimes think outside the box 926 00:38:24.659 --> 00:38:27.309 and be insane. And Jimmy is not insane. He's very 927 00:38:27.329 --> 00:38:29.929 by the book. He's very earnest. And sometimes those crazy 928 00:38:29.969 --> 00:38:32.550 ideas actually work. So weirdly, she is a better manager 929 00:38:32.570 --> 00:38:34.489 than she is assistant. She's terrible at being an assistant. 930 00:38:34.550 --> 00:38:38.010 But she has some out-of-the-box ideas that, especially this season, 931 00:38:38.030 --> 00:38:38.789 that really do work. 932 00:38:39.170 --> 00:38:40.210 I want to ask you a little bit about the 933 00:38:40.269 --> 00:38:45.230 dynamic of your comedy partner is also your romantic partner. 934 00:38:45.550 --> 00:38:52.019 And that's something that fascinates me. My wife is super smart, 935 00:38:52.579 --> 00:38:58.269 really funny. We've never... collaborated on anything, I've always thought, huh, 936 00:38:58.309 --> 00:39:00.690 that's a whole, that's like a Bermuda triangle that I 937 00:39:00.730 --> 00:39:04.849 have not gone into. And maybe we will someday, but 938 00:39:05.530 --> 00:39:07.489 how does that dynamic work? Or did it just, you 939 00:39:07.510 --> 00:39:08.289 always knew it was going to work? 940 00:39:08.630 --> 00:39:11.079 Well, we started, we were on an improv team together 941 00:39:11.280 --> 00:39:14.440 and we started doing sketch videos before we were ever dating. 942 00:39:14.460 --> 00:39:16.900 And it was in making those things because she's so 943 00:39:16.940 --> 00:39:19.719 smart and funny that attracted us to each other. And 944 00:39:19.739 --> 00:39:21.619 so we started dating kind of after we were already 945 00:39:21.659 --> 00:39:25.059 working together a bit. And, but she's my, she's the 946 00:39:25.079 --> 00:39:26.670 best audience. You know, she's the person that I want 947 00:39:26.690 --> 00:39:28.650 to make that it feels the best to make her laugh. 948 00:39:28.789 --> 00:39:30.360 She has such a good laugh and I love making 949 00:39:30.400 --> 00:39:33.360 her laugh. So, and it's been a real cheat for 950 00:39:33.440 --> 00:39:36.300 us to work together, not just because we have each 951 00:39:36.340 --> 00:39:39.340 other as an audience and as cheerleaders, but also, you know, 952 00:39:39.360 --> 00:39:41.809 in this business, you don't see your spouse if you're 953 00:39:41.829 --> 00:39:44.030 working as hard as we're working. So thank God we're 954 00:39:44.050 --> 00:39:44.670 on set together. 955 00:39:44.690 --> 00:39:45.309 That's really nice. 956 00:39:45.550 --> 00:39:46.489 You know, we get to be together. 957 00:39:46.889 --> 00:39:49.230 I think it's different for different people, but I mean, 958 00:39:49.250 --> 00:39:50.809 you know, your wife being smart and funny, you know 959 00:39:50.829 --> 00:39:52.409 what it's like to make that person laugh. 960 00:39:52.590 --> 00:39:52.869 Yes. 961 00:39:53.030 --> 00:39:54.349 You know what I mean? Like it's part of the romance. 962 00:39:54.369 --> 00:39:56.750 If I can make my wife really, and also if 963 00:39:56.909 --> 00:39:58.989 she can really laugh and she makes me really laugh, 964 00:39:59.630 --> 00:40:01.869 that's the glue. Yeah, that's the glue. That's the long-term glue. 965 00:40:01.909 --> 00:40:02.289 That's right. 966 00:40:02.389 --> 00:40:07.250 Have you ever wondered if Lucia said yes just because, 967 00:40:07.829 --> 00:40:09.989 accepted your proposal just because she was yes-anding you? 968 00:40:10.010 --> 00:40:11.070 Oh my God. 969 00:40:11.130 --> 00:40:12.369 Because of improv training. 970 00:40:13.269 --> 00:40:14.360 Honestly, I hadn't until now. 971 00:40:14.389 --> 00:40:15.070 That's a fair question. 972 00:40:15.090 --> 00:40:15.239 What? 973 00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:17.659 I had until now, but you know what? She is 974 00:40:17.699 --> 00:40:18.519 a very good improviser. 975 00:40:18.539 --> 00:40:19.500 You know what I mean? 976 00:40:19.739 --> 00:40:20.159 Yeah. 977 00:40:20.360 --> 00:40:22.400 What was she going to do? You put out a scene. 978 00:40:22.440 --> 00:40:25.320 Say no. You laid it out there. Will you? And 979 00:40:25.340 --> 00:40:28.000 she has to say yes and we'll have a child. 980 00:40:28.019 --> 00:40:29.920 She's trained to not say no. 981 00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:31.969 You're right. Well, I'm saying that's the best. That's what I. 982 00:40:32.420 --> 00:40:34.340 I married an improviser, too, and this is making me 983 00:40:34.579 --> 00:40:36.820 really look back, usual suspect. 984 00:40:37.019 --> 00:40:39.099 And guess what? It was during a sketch, wasn't it? 985 00:40:39.159 --> 00:40:41.980 It was, yeah. And then you afterwards were crying. You said, 986 00:40:42.039 --> 00:40:46.119 you said yes. You have to. Oh, no. 987 00:40:46.300 --> 00:40:46.690 Oh, God. 988 00:40:46.719 --> 00:40:52.210 Didn't you, you guys had your first, your only child. 989 00:40:52.230 --> 00:40:52.730 His only child? 990 00:40:52.989 --> 00:40:53.329 Yeah, only. 991 00:40:53.550 --> 00:40:56.230 Your only child during the making of Hacks. Yeah. 992 00:40:56.369 --> 00:40:59.719 Well, you know, funnily enough, we weren't, we were not 993 00:40:59.739 --> 00:41:01.980 planning to get married. We were like, oh, well, we'll 994 00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:03.340 just won't get married. And, you know, we don't need 995 00:41:03.360 --> 00:41:05.320 to do that. And then there was a point in 996 00:41:05.340 --> 00:41:06.599 time when I was like, well, I want to, I 997 00:41:06.639 --> 00:41:08.940 want to get her a ring and I'll, and I'll. 998 00:41:09.210 --> 00:41:12.929 I'll float it. I'll float it. Thinking that she'd be like, 999 00:41:12.949 --> 00:41:14.730 we've talked about this. We've talked

about this. We're not 1000 00:41:14.750 --> 00:41:15.769 going to get married. 1001 00:41:16.250 --> 00:41:19.000 Um, and she said yes. And cause we had been 1002 00:41:19.019 --> 00:41:21.119 together at that point for 15 years. So we had 1003 00:41:21.139 --> 00:41:23.230 been together for a really long time, but we weren't 1004 00:41:23.250 --> 00:41:26.329 going to have children. And so we did end up 1005 00:41:26.349 --> 00:41:27.550 getting married. We thought it'd be a nice way to 1006 00:41:27.570 --> 00:41:28.769 celebrate our time together. 1007 00:41:28.510 --> 00:41:30.380 With our friends. I'm telling you, it's all improv. 1008 00:41:30.420 --> 00:41:30.699 Yes, Andy. 1009 00:41:30.739 --> 00:41:31.219 No kidding. 1010 00:41:31.320 --> 00:41:33.280 That sperm and the egg were like. 1011 00:41:33.360 --> 00:41:35.719 That's right. They were doing their own scene. 1012 00:41:35.739 --> 00:41:37.199 An improv class with sperm and egg. 1013 00:41:37.219 --> 00:41:40.840 They were, yeah. It was their own scene and they. 1014 00:41:41.340 --> 00:41:41.840 Yeah. 1015 00:41:41.889 --> 00:41:42.699 They crushed it. 1016 00:41:42.739 --> 00:41:43.150 It worked. 1017 00:41:43.170 --> 00:41:43.710 They crushed it. 1018 00:41:43.730 --> 00:41:46.750 I love that idea. And scene. 1019 00:41:47.469 --> 00:41:47.969 Sperm. 1020 00:41:48.730 --> 00:41:50.210 You work at a gym. 1021 00:41:50.590 --> 00:41:50.710 Egg. 1022 00:41:51.610 --> 00:41:53.849 This is your first time at the gym. And go. 1023 00:41:54.070 --> 00:41:54.590 You're pregnant. 1024 00:41:56.230 --> 00:41:57.070 Actually, no, it's crazy. 1025 00:41:57.110 --> 00:41:59.650 We didn't find out. We had been traveling and she 1026 00:41:59.670 --> 00:42:02.179 had missed one of her periods. And basically, we found 1027 00:42:02.300 --> 00:42:03.719 out when she was two and a half months pregnant. 1028 00:42:03.940 --> 00:42:06.699 So the next day, we saw a heartbeat. And that 1029 00:42:06.739 --> 00:42:07.960 was two weeks before our wedding. 1030 00:42:08.360 --> 00:42:08.940 Oh, my God. 1031 00:42:09.099 --> 00:42:13.159 So we got married, came home, started season... That was 1032 00:42:13.199 --> 00:42:15.239 season two. We were shooting season two. 1033 00:42:15.260 --> 00:42:16.039 And then. 1034 00:42:16.969 --> 00:42:20.409 He came early. Again, this is like, again, sperm and 1035 00:42:20.429 --> 00:42:23.070 egg doing their own thing. He came early on his 1036 00:42:23.090 --> 00:42:24.690 own time and it was while we were shooting. And 1037 00:42:24.769 --> 00:42:28.409 so she did direct between contractions because she was directing 1038 00:42:28.429 --> 00:42:28.809 that day. 1039 00:42:28.829 --> 00:42:29.730 I know. 1040 00:42:29.969 --> 00:42:32.750 I know, which is mentally unwell. It's badass and so cool. 1041 00:42:32.809 --> 00:42:34.070 It's pretty badass, yeah. 1042 00:42:34.090 --> 00:42:34.789 But it's also. 1043 00:42:35.420 --> 00:42:37.239 She's earned the right

to be called Lucia. 1044 00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:38.980 Yeah, oh, good. 1045 00:42:39.000 --> 00:42:41.380 Oh, now she's earned it. 1046 00:42:42.940 --> 00:42:46.760 I'm sorry, Lucia, you're gone now. It's Lucia now, rest 1047 00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:48.699 in peace. That's unbelievable. 1048 00:42:48.820 --> 00:42:49.000 Yeah. 1049 00:42:49.159 --> 00:42:49.780 That's unbelievable. 1050 00:42:49.800 --> 00:42:51.320 So it was a crazy year. It was a really, 1051 00:42:51.340 --> 00:42:51.900 really crazy year. 1052 00:42:51.980 --> 00:42:54.179 What's cool, too, is that as you go on through 1053 00:42:54.199 --> 00:42:58.980 your career, you have this document, the actual show, where, 1054 00:42:59.139 --> 00:43:01.389 I mean, in a weird way, I don't think about 1055 00:43:01.409 --> 00:43:04.210 this much, but I have it, too, because... I met 1056 00:43:04.309 --> 00:43:06.650 my wife on a remote shoot. We went to an 1057 00:43:06.690 --> 00:43:10.030 advertising agency and people look it up online all the time. 1058 00:43:10.269 --> 00:43:12.969 And I'm there just doing the Conan thing where I'm 1059 00:43:13.010 --> 00:43:15.300 on a remote being an ass. And then I just 1060 00:43:15.340 --> 00:43:18.360 start talking to this one woman in the room Within seconds, 1061 00:43:18.409 --> 00:43:21.389 I'm not even trying to be funny. We're just talking about, wow. Yeah, no, 1062 00:43:21.409 --> 00:43:24.849 my dad, right. And so, okay. Wow. And you like cats? 1063 00:43:25.230 --> 00:43:27.710 That's funny. Well, I had a cat when I was 1064 00:43:27.750 --> 00:43:32.309 a kid. And my producer was listening on headphones outside 1065 00:43:32.369 --> 00:43:35.090 the office where we were doing all this remote. 1066 00:43:36.239 --> 00:43:38.179 What the fuck is he doing? 1067 00:43:38.199 --> 00:43:39.460 So we have us meeting. 1068 00:43:39.480 --> 00:43:40.719 Wow, that's really cool. 1069 00:43:40.739 --> 00:43:44.530 Then we have the episode where I'm just back from 1070 00:43:44.570 --> 00:43:47.130 the hospital because my daughter was born. 1071 00:43:47.150 --> 00:43:47.889 That's really cool. 1072 00:43:47.909 --> 00:43:49.289 And I'm talking about it on the air. Then we 1073 00:43:49.309 --> 00:43:51.070 have the episode where I'm just back from the hospital 1074 00:43:51.090 --> 00:43:53.380 because my son was born. I mean, I haven't really 1075 00:43:53.389 --> 00:43:55.199 thought about it that much till this moment now, but 1076 00:43:55.579 --> 00:43:58.900 those are weird moments. Yeah. I remember bringing my son 1077 00:43:58.960 --> 00:44:00.900 when he was little and, no, I brought my daughter 1078 00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:04.219 to work right after she was born. Not right after, but, 1079 00:44:04.659 --> 00:44:07.699 you know. We wiped her down. The doctor said, yeah. 1080 00:44:07.719 --> 00:44:13.730 She was still, umbilical cord was stretched over Ninth Avenue. 1081 00:44:13.750 --> 00:44:14.889 Cabs weren't hitting it. 1082 00:44:15.070 --> 00:44:15.690 Oh my God. 1083 00:44:15.750 --> 00:44:22.730 It plays a low E note. But anyway, She's, I 1084 00:44:22.750 --> 00:44:25.260 brought my daughter in when she was old enough to 1085 00:44:25.320 --> 00:44:28.559 come in and was sitting at the, and I saw 1086 00:44:28.579 --> 00:44:30.800 Tina Fey recently and we reminisced about this because I said, Tina, 1087 00:44:30.820 --> 00:44:34.539 I will never forget. Tina was up in 8H rehearsing 1088 00:44:35.360 --> 00:44:38.630 Saturday Night Live and I'm down on six on the 1089 00:44:38.670 --> 00:44:41.010 late night set and I'm sitting and I'm holding my 1090 00:44:41.050 --> 00:44:43.829 daughter and one of the cameramen zoomed in on my daughter. 1091 00:44:44.329 --> 00:44:47.349 suddenly double doors fly open and Tina comes running in 1092 00:44:47.389 --> 00:44:49.869 and she was like, give me that baby. This is 1093 00:44:49.909 --> 00:44:52.190 before she had her own daughter, but she was like, 1094 00:44:52.710 --> 00:44:56.800 you could see that she had a baby fever and 1095 00:44:56.820 --> 00:44:58.860 she was like, give me that. Oh my God. And 1096 00:44:59.039 --> 00:45:01.579 I almost didn't get Nev back. And then it wasn't 1097 00:45:01.619 --> 00:45:04.860 long afterwards that she had her own daughter, but it was, 1098 00:45:04.880 --> 00:45:08.579 I have all these memories that are, my show work 1099 00:45:08.900 --> 00:45:13.929 is intertwined with, you know, my family, meeting my wife, 1100 00:45:14.510 --> 00:45:19.150 falling in love, getting married, children, it all becomes a piece. Yes. 1101 00:45:19.210 --> 00:45:21.559 And that's going to be part of all the work 1102 00:45:21.599 --> 00:45:24.519 that you do going forward, even after Hex. It'll all 1103 00:45:24.559 --> 00:45:25.460 be entwined. 1104 00:45:25.659 --> 00:45:25.920 Yeah. 1105 00:45:26.099 --> 00:45:27.119 I know. We think about that a lot. 1106 00:45:27.139 --> 00:45:29.460 We actually, you know, we talk about the show like 1107 00:45:29.500 --> 00:45:31.800 our first child in a way because it is like 1108 00:45:31.840 --> 00:45:34.610 raising a child in a way. And then he came 1109 00:45:34.630 --> 00:45:37.769 and now has a sibling, you know, and he visits 1110 00:45:37.789 --> 00:45:41.389 set sometimes. And there's so much, now we have a 1111 00:45:41.409 --> 00:45:42.309 lot of- And they fight. 1112 00:45:42.550 --> 00:45:45.030 And they do fight, yeah. Well, he really wants to, 1113 00:45:45.429 --> 00:45:46.909 he just really wants to go to Crafty. That's all 1114 00:45:46.929 --> 00:45:47.809 he cares about. 1115 00:45:48.389 --> 00:45:50.170 But now we have a lot of footage of, because 1116 00:45:50.210 --> 00:45:52.840 Gene is also, Gene is similar to Tina. Gene really 1117 00:45:52.880 --> 00:45:55.980 wants Luca whenever he's on set. And they have a 1118 00:45:56.000 --> 00:45:58.420 great relationship and she threw my wife's baby shower. And 1119 00:45:58.900 -->

00:46:01.659 so we have all these photos and videos of him 1120 00:46:01.699 --> 00:46:04.260 on set with Gene and, you know, sitting at Debra 1121 00:46:04.280 --> 00:46:05.059 Vance's desk. 1122 00:46:05.550 --> 00:46:08.289 As, like, an infant. And it is really cool that 1123 00:46:08.309 --> 00:46:08.849 we'll have that. 1124 00:46:09.210 --> 00:46:14.280 That's great. Forever. Yeah. That's, well, I'm, you know, it's 1125 00:46:14.320 --> 00:46:17.559 funny because after a while, I always think back to 1126 00:46:18.199 --> 00:46:21.000 the I Love Lucy show where Lucy goes to the 1127 00:46:21.059 --> 00:46:27.119 club to tell Ricky that she's pregnant. And it's just 1128 00:46:27.179 --> 00:46:31.420 fascinating to me because... That was a show business relationship 1129 00:46:32.019 --> 00:46:33.940 in real life, but also they were doing a show 1130 00:46:34.019 --> 00:46:36.400 about that. And then you saw all the ways in 1131 00:46:36.440 --> 00:46:37.880 which it was intertwined. 1132 00:46:38.900 --> 00:46:41.019 And, you know, we go by Polly Lou. That's our moniker, 1133 00:46:41.059 --> 00:46:43.679 which is a nod to Desilu. We don't have a 1134 00:46:43.699 --> 00:46:46.510 show about our life, but we have a show that 1135 00:46:46.550 --> 00:46:46.969 is our life. 1136 00:46:48.469 --> 00:46:50.889 You play the bongos. I wish, I wish. 1137 00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:54.159 Jimmy could pick up the bongos. That would actually be good. 1138 00:46:55.539 --> 00:46:57.739 He starts smoking a lot of weed and does the 1139 00:46:57.760 --> 00:46:59.880 bongos because Kayla just drives him off the deep end. 1140 00:47:00.019 --> 00:47:01.619 That might be actually a good, we need something new. 1141 00:47:01.760 --> 00:47:03.440 We need something new for Jimmy. 1142 00:47:03.500 --> 00:47:04.679 A new gear. I can help you with that and 1143 00:47:04.719 --> 00:47:07.360 I'll be on set to pitch. I also want to 1144 00:47:07.380 --> 00:47:10.920 give a personal shout out to an old fellow performer. 1145 00:47:11.400 --> 00:47:13.449 One of the first things I ever did on stage 1146 00:47:13.510 --> 00:47:16.710 was a show called Happy Happy Good Show. I did 1147 00:47:16.730 --> 00:47:20.210 it with Robert Smigel and Bob Odenkirk. Chicago in 1988 1148 00:47:20.210 --> 00:47:22.110 during a writer's strike at it. And so we were 1149 00:47:22.150 --> 00:47:24.250 at SNL and we went to Chicago and put up 1150 00:47:24.289 --> 00:47:29.780 this very weird sketch show. And there I met Rose Abdu. 1151 00:47:29.800 --> 00:47:30.739 Oh my gosh. 1152 00:47:30.820 --> 00:47:36.880 And Rose Abdu was hilarious and great. And I'm just 1153 00:47:37.099 --> 00:47:39.380 so delighted that she's on the show. 1154 00:47:39.400 --> 00:47:40.099 She is so funny. 1155 00:47:40.139 --> 00:47:41.340 She's always note perfect. 1156 00:47:41.420 --> 00:47:42.119 She is perfect. 1157 00:47:42.139 --> 00:47:44.760 And I tell you what, we've now, whether it's at 1158 00:47:44.980 --> 00:47:47.800 South By or At screenings at the Pally Fest, we've 1159 00:47:47.860 --> 00:47:50.320 shown now a bunch of episodes to a live audience. 1160 00:47:50.880 --> 00:47:53.920 She kills. She always knocks it out of the park. 1161 00:47:53.980 --> 00:47:56.519 It's crazy. You know, she comes on for one pop 1162 00:47:56.559 --> 00:47:57.659 and always knocks it out. 1163 00:47:57.599 --> 00:47:58.960 Of the park. She is a trooper. She's like a 1164 00:47:58.980 --> 00:48:03.150 vaudevillian trooper. But I've looked at, not long ago, I 1165 00:48:03.170 --> 00:48:05.489 found a program from Happy Happy Good Show. I think 1166 00:48:05.630 --> 00:48:10.960 I'm 25. Yeah. I'm 6'4, I think I'm 155 pounds. 1167 00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:12.719 Wow. 1168 00:48:13.079 --> 00:48:15.159 And there's a sketch where I'm supposed to be. 1169 00:48:15.179 --> 00:48:15.260 Jock. 1170 00:48:16.139 --> 00:48:16.780 Exactly. 1171 00:48:18.320 --> 00:48:21.960 Damn. Jock or Weathervane. You be the destroyer, you be 1172 00:48:21.980 --> 00:48:23.119 the destroyer. Pole vaulter. 1173 00:48:23.860 --> 00:48:24.619 No, the pole. 1174 00:48:24.639 --> 00:48:29.280 The actual pole. And I think it's a sketch where I'm, yeah, 1175 00:48:29.539 --> 00:48:30.989 it's a sketch where all of us are supposed to 1176 00:48:31.030 --> 00:48:33.750 be naked, but I'm holding a guitar and you can 1177 00:48:33.829 --> 00:48:39.440 see my body and it's a freak show. Um, not 1178 00:48:39.460 --> 00:48:42.019 that it isn't now, but oh my God, but Rose 1179 00:48:42.059 --> 00:48:44.079 is in the picture and all of us are just 1180 00:48:44.559 --> 00:48:48.050 really hopeful. Like we'll get there somehow. It's just, it's sweet. 1181 00:48:48.090 --> 00:48:49.929 It's a really sweet memory for me. Yeah. 1182 00:48:50.050 --> 00:48:51.250 She's been doing it for a long time and she 1183 00:48:51.309 --> 00:48:53.590 is so good. I'm really glad that she's a part 1184 00:48:53.630 --> 00:48:55.449 of the family and she named the character. It was, 1185 00:48:55.489 --> 00:48:56.989 it was a different name. And we said, she said, 1186 00:48:57.010 --> 00:48:58.630 I'm going to base this on my, my aunt and 1187 00:48:58.670 --> 00:49:00.090 my mom. And we said, okay, do you want to 1188 00:49:00.429 --> 00:49:00.809 choose the name? 1189 00:49:00.829 --> 00:49:01.630 And she said, Josefina. 1190 00:49:03.250 --> 00:49:04.070 She was like, I have it ready. 1191 00:49:04.530 --> 00:49:04.739 Yeah. 1192 00:49:05.300 --> 00:49:08.610 Then she renamed your wife. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And you 1193 00:49:08.690 --> 00:49:09.269 are Lucia. 1194 00:49:09.840 --> 00:49:10.199 No. 1195 00:49:10.239 --> 00:49:10.900 Lucia. 1196 00:49:11.000 --> 00:49:11.460 Luciana. 1197 00:49:12.119 --> 00:49:12.780 Luciana. 1198 00:49:14.659 --> 00:49:17.309 Am I the only one who've noticed that you have 1199 00:49:17.349 --> 00:49:18.469 the most amazing eyes? 1200 00:49:18.670 --> 00:49:19.309

Oh, come on. 1201 00:49:19.510 --> 00:49:22.400 And I have, I've seen it on TV, but in person, 1202 00:49:23.159 --> 00:49:25.530 I think I've fallen in love with Paul throughout this interview. 1203 00:49:25.780 --> 00:49:27.369 Oh my gosh, that's so funny. Very deeply in love 1204 00:49:27.389 --> 00:49:27.690 with you. 1205 00:49:27.710 --> 00:49:29.530 Well, right back at you. 1206 00:49:29.550 --> 00:49:33.809 No, no, I have... creepy killer eyes. No. Look, Beattie 1207 00:49:33.989 --> 00:49:34.570 looking around. 1208 00:49:34.590 --> 00:49:35.130 Oh my gosh. 1209 00:49:35.289 --> 00:49:35.789 Look at that. 1210 00:49:35.809 --> 00:49:36.820 Don't do that. 1211 00:49:37.159 --> 00:49:37.429 Right? 1212 00:49:37.460 --> 00:49:39.159 If you do that, yeah. You look like one of 1213 00:49:39.179 --> 00:49:40.300 those paintings. 1214 00:49:39.920 --> 00:49:41.880 In a haunted mansion where the eyes move. 1215 00:49:41.900 --> 00:49:43.360 Well, I think one of us has to call your wife. 1216 00:49:43.480 --> 00:49:49.789 I am... Very happy for you. Thank you. Massive congratulations. 1217 00:49:50.449 --> 00:49:52.710 If you ever want me to play a parking lot 1218 00:49:52.730 --> 00:49:53.670 attendant on your show. 1219 00:49:53.730 --> 00:49:56.190 We need you on the show. I'm not kidding. 1220 00:49:56.250 --> 00:49:58.070 Whatever. Whatever you guys want me to do. 1221 00:49:58.239 --> 00:50:00.039 You exist in that universe. 1222 00:50:00.139 --> 00:50:01.960 No, I'm dead now. No, you're not. 1223 00:50:02.000 --> 00:50:03.940 No, you've been demoted to parking lot attendant. 1224 00:50:04.480 --> 00:50:06.340 If you don't have a late night show, you're dead. 1225 00:50:06.360 --> 00:50:07.159 Yeah, yeah, exactly. 1226 00:50:07.360 --> 00:50:08.099 I think that was his. 1227 00:50:08.300 --> 00:50:11.119 Yeah, yeah. It's all good. I'll do whatever you guys 1228 00:50:11.159 --> 00:50:12.880 want me to do. It doesn't matter. And I have 1229 00:50:12.920 --> 00:50:15.829 no ego about it. I'll do craft services on this show. Oh, 1230 00:50:15.969 --> 00:50:16.250 my God. 1231 00:50:16.269 --> 00:50:17.090 My son would love you. 1232 00:50:17.329 --> 00:50:18.190 Yeah, seriously. 1233 00:50:18.210 --> 00:50:19.190 Just give him some Pirate's Booty. 1234 00:50:19.210 --> 00:50:23.469 All chocolate, Pirate's Booty. But anything to help get an 1235 00:50:23.530 --> 00:50:25.510 oar in the water. Like, this show needs any help. 1236 00:50:25.570 --> 00:50:28.280 I think you've won. It's insane. I can't even get 1237 00:50:28.320 --> 00:50:32.889 into how many Emmys you've won. Peabody. but all well-deserved 1238 00:50:33.250 --> 00:50:39.269 and makes me happy, always does when these youngsters out there, 1239 00:50:39.449 --> 00:50:43.989 and you are youngsters, are doing really good, fantastic work 1240 00:50:44.090 --> 00:50:47.969 and killing it, makes me by association proud. 1241 00:50:47.989 --> 00:50:48.670 So thank you. 1242 00:50:48.690

--> 00:50:50.489 Well, I hope you, I'm glad you feel that way 1243 00:50:50.510 --> 00:50:53.190 because we admire you and your work so much. And 1244 00:50:53.210 --> 00:50:56.030 you know, Jen, my co-creator intern for you and has 1245 00:50:56.070 --> 00:50:59.920 amazing stories about that. Covered your assistant's desk and was 1246 00:50:59.960 --> 00:51:02.510 very nervous and said that you were not only funny 1247 00:51:02.550 --> 00:51:03.110 but kind. 1248 00:51:03.130 --> 00:51:03.349 What? 1249 00:51:03.369 --> 00:51:04.150 Yeah. 1250 00:51:07.050 --> 00:51:07.690 He cuts on his mic. 1251 00:51:07.869 --> 00:51:10.190 Depends on who. She's a very good assistant, I think. 1252 00:51:10.949 --> 00:51:12.070 Oh, wow. 1253 00:51:12.449 --> 00:51:13.280 She knows how to play it. 1254 00:51:13.309 --> 00:51:13.869 Okay. 1255 00:51:14.170 --> 00:51:19.239 Oh, he was very kind. Suddenly, Bugatti shows up outside 1256 00:51:19.260 --> 00:51:25.659 her door with a bow on it. Thanks for playing along, Conan. Anyway, Hacks, 1257 00:51:26.559 --> 00:51:29.199 it is season four now. Is it season four? We're 1258 00:51:29.219 --> 00:51:31.969 in season four, yeah. Yeah, you're in season four. And 1259 00:51:32.449 --> 00:51:35.710 I'm five shows through and loving it. Thank you. 1260 00:51:35.750 --> 00:51:35.869 And. 1261 00:51:36.820 --> 00:51:39.739 Keep doing what you're doing. Please, please. I know you 1262 00:51:39.760 --> 00:51:42.000 were thinking of stopping. Yeah. 1263 00:51:42.099 --> 00:51:43.559 I almost retired last year. 1264 00:51:43.579 --> 00:51:45.039 I'm encouraging you to continue. 1265 00:51:45.059 --> 00:51:46.239 And then I said, I'll keep going. 1266 00:51:46.260 --> 00:51:48.349 No, it was this podcast. Yeah, actually. You walked in, 1267 00:51:48.360 --> 00:51:50.719 you're all like, I think we're going to stop now. 1268 00:51:50.900 --> 00:51:52.079 Too much success. 1269 00:51:52.360 --> 00:51:55.059 Well, now I can retire. You know, I mean, this is, 1270 00:51:55.570 --> 00:51:58.210 I actually, you know, I always wanted to be on 1271 00:51:58.250 --> 00:51:58.610 your show. 1272 00:51:58.949 --> 00:51:59.050 Oh. 1273 00:51:59.289 --> 00:52:02.250 And, oh, it was a dream. And so this is 1274 00:52:02.289 --> 00:52:05.519 a dream. But, you know, I, Saw you once. And 1275 00:52:05.539 --> 00:52:06.719 I said to my wife, I'm going to go up 1276 00:52:06.960 --> 00:52:08.940 and introduce myself and just tell them that I'm a fan. 1277 00:52:08.980 --> 00:52:11.440 Everyone likes to hear that they have fans. And she 1278 00:52:11.460 --> 00:52:14.099 was like, so you can edit this out if you want. 1279 00:52:14.139 --> 00:52:16.940 If you want to keep privacy and anonymity. But it 1280 00:52:16.980 --> 00:52:19.000 was at the Hotel du Cap. 1281 00:52:19.340 --> 00:52:19.539 Yeah. 1282 00:52:19.820 --> 00:52:20.059 Okay. 1283 00:52:20.079 --> 00:52:21.039 So I'm at the Hotel du Cap. 1284 00:52:21.639 --> 00:52:23.599 I was there on a junket. I got sent there. 1285 00:52:24.139 --> 00:52:25.639 But they love you there. You're on the wall. 1286 00:52:26.099 --> 00:52:26.440 Oh, really? 1287 00:52:26.559 --> 00:52:28.300 They have a signature of yours on the wall, in 1288 00:52:28.320 --> 00:52:29.079 the bar. 1289 00:52:29.340 --> 00:52:31.400 The Hotel du Cap is not a hotel that I 1290 00:52:31.440 --> 00:52:32.400 would book myself. 1291 00:52:32.679 --> 00:52:32.960 Okay. 1292 00:52:32.980 --> 00:52:36.179 I was sent there because I'm not the kind of person... Look, 1293 00:52:36.219 --> 00:52:39.170 I like a nice hotel. Hotel? Hotel? I like a 1294 00:52:39.190 --> 00:52:42.550 nice hotel. Where is this hotel? Oh, it's in Eden 1295 00:52:42.590 --> 00:52:44.929 Rock on the... France. 1296 00:52:44.949 --> 00:52:46.809 Like near Cannes. Near Cannes. 1297 00:52:46.949 --> 00:52:48.630 And I got sent there. They said, do you want 1298 00:52:48.670 --> 00:52:51.349 to go and do this panel there and we'll fly 1299 00:52:51.409 --> 00:52:54.800 you and your wife... And this is a legendary hotel. 1300 00:52:54.820 --> 00:52:55.460 It's insane. 1301 00:52:55.780 --> 00:52:58.679 And I get there and they're throwing some big shindig 1302 00:52:58.719 --> 00:53:00.980 and I do my thing and I'll never forget seeing 1303 00:53:01.000 --> 00:53:02.800 Bon Jovi. 1304 00:53:02.820 --> 00:53:03.380 Oh, Bon Jovi. 1305 00:53:03.780 --> 00:53:08.940 We'll get to you. Seeing Bon Jovi. And Bon Jovi, 1306 00:53:09.119 --> 00:53:10.800 and I say, oh, hey, man, what are you doing here? 1307 00:53:10.820 --> 00:53:13.800 And he went, they flew me in just to sing, 1308 00:53:13.820 --> 00:53:17.960 you know, like a cab on a steel horse. And 1309 00:53:18.000 --> 00:53:20.699 I said, you're singing one song. He's like, like, that's it. 1310 00:53:21.119 --> 00:53:23.949 And they're covering everything. And I thought show business. I 1311 00:53:23.969 --> 00:53:27.429 haven't experienced this a lot. This is fantastic. But anyway, 1312 00:53:27.570 --> 00:53:28.730 so did we encounter each other? 1313 00:53:28.809 --> 00:53:31.389 So no, because I so we were actually we weren't 1314 00:53:31.409 --> 00:53:32.650 even staying in the main hotel. They have like a 1315 00:53:32.670 --> 00:53:36.489 little annex. That's less money. And so because I wasn't flown, 1316 00:53:36.530 --> 00:53:40.110 I paid for it. And but we were on a budget. 1317 00:53:40.170 --> 00:53:42.690 So at dinner, I said to Lucia, I'm going to 1318 00:53:42.769 --> 00:53:45.809 take all of the baguette in the basket. And I 1319 00:53:46.070 --> 00:53:47.869 put baguettes in my pocket. 1320 00:53:47.909 --> 00:53:48.469 I love this. 1321 00:53:48.750 --> 00:53:50.159 And so we get back to the hotel. We had 1322 00:53:50.199 --> 00:53:52.699 had some French wine. And I said, oh, my God, 1323 00:53:52.880 --> 00:53:55.480 there's Conan. I have to go say hello. And she said, babe. 1324 00:53:55.869 --> 00:53:59.639 You have

baguettes in your pocket. Your pockets are stuffed 1325 00:53:59.659 --> 00:54:03.579 with baguettes. You're gonna look like Jean Valjean. You look 1326 00:54:03.599 --> 00:54:08.480 like you've stolen food. Just wait till maybe you meet 1327 00:54:08.519 --> 00:54:09.360 him properly one day. 1328 00:54:09.420 --> 00:54:09.780 No! 1329 00:54:10.000 --> 00:54:10.820 I know, I should've. 1330 00:54:10.840 --> 00:54:13.420 I wanna say. No, he's got baguettes in his pocket still. 1331 00:54:13.579 --> 00:54:14.780 I know, well, honestly, I would. 1332 00:54:14.820 --> 00:54:17.949 I love bread. Oh, me too. First of all, she 1333 00:54:17.989 --> 00:54:18.690 was wrong. 1334 00:54:18.710 --> 00:54:19.590 Okay, she's Lucia again. 1335 00:54:19.730 --> 00:54:24.769 Back to Lucia. Demoted to Lucia. Lucia. No, are you kidding? 1336 00:54:24.789 --> 00:54:26.050 I would've loved that. 1337 00:54:26.070 --> 00:54:26.590 I should've done it. 1338 00:54:26.590 --> 00:54:29.329 I would've loved that. And as I think you will attest, 1339 00:54:29.789 --> 00:54:31.070 You would have said, oh, I don't want to bother 1340 00:54:31.090 --> 00:54:32.530 Conan O'Brien. You would have come up to me. We 1341 00:54:32.610 --> 00:54:35.309 would have started chatting. I would have asked you some questions. 1342 00:54:35.449 --> 00:54:38.130 And then within 10 minutes, you'd be saying, I think 1343 00:54:38.190 --> 00:54:41.690 I have to go. That is the usual experience. 1344 00:54:41.710 --> 00:54:43.159 I should have done it then. That would have been huge. 1345 00:54:43.179 --> 00:54:44.489 And I would have been like, oh, now I've got 1346 00:54:44.510 --> 00:54:46.579 bread in my pockets too. Let's do a bit. Hey, 1347 00:54:46.619 --> 00:54:48.039 let's meet tomorrow. I now have bread in my pockets. 1348 00:54:48.059 --> 00:54:50.519 You'd be like, I don't think Conan, this is getting 1349 00:54:50.559 --> 00:54:53.280 a neediness here. Oh, that was good. Yeah. 1350 00:54:53.360 --> 00:54:53.619 Needy. 1351 00:54:53.940 --> 00:54:54.159 Needy. 1352 00:54:54.179 --> 00:54:54.800 That was very good. 1353 00:54:54.820 --> 00:54:56.179 That was very good. 1354 00:54:56.219 --> 00:54:58.940 Very good. Paul, thank you so much for making the time. 1355 00:54:58.960 --> 00:55:00.679 Thank you for having me. Congrats on everything. And I'm 1356 00:55:00.719 --> 00:55:01.389 real happy for you. 1357 00:55:01.429 --> 00:55:01.860 Thanks so much. 1358 00:55:12.969 --> 00:55:16.730 Good nights are about the people, the laughs, the real 1359 00:55:16.769 --> 00:55:17.889 moments you don't want to miss. 1360 00:55:18.369 --> 00:55:19.969 So why step outside? 1361 00:55:20.849 --> 00:55:24.900 Velo tobacco-free nicotine pouches fits seamlessly into your night. 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Eireann Road Air in 1382 00:56:34.559 --> 00:56:36.539 is part of the Transport for Ireland network. 1383 00:56:45.230 --> 00:56:47.269 Every now and then we stumble upon a revelation that 1384 00:56:49.010 --> 00:56:52.750 really rocks our world. And just the other day, we 1385 00:56:52.809 --> 00:56:55.380 found out that Sona, you were a Girl Scout. Yes, 1386 00:56:55.449 --> 00:56:56.880 I was. I just don't see it. 1387 00:56:57.159 --> 00:56:57.800 What do you mean? 1388 00:56:57.840 --> 00:56:59.300 Do you? It's kind of shocking. 1389 00:56:59.460 --> 00:57:00.679 Yeah, it is a little shocking. 1390 00:57:00.719 --> 00:57:01.699 You're a rule breaker. 1391 00:57:01.900 --> 00:57:02.139 Yeah. 1392 00:57:02.159 --> 00:57:05.360 You're a rebel, you know? You're the pinky Tuscadero, you know? 1393 00:57:05.380 --> 00:57:08.039 I still remember my pledge. I live by my pledge. 1394 00:57:08.519 --> 00:57:12.710 And I think that I... What's the pledge? On my honor, 1395 00:57:12.909 --> 00:57:14.449 I will try to serve God. 1396 00:57:15.449 --> 00:57:16.500 I've already lost it. 1397 00:57:16.539 --> 00:57:17.340 Oh my God. 1398 00:57:17.440 --> 00:57:18.760 So far you've gotten a thousand. 1399 00:57:18.800 --> 00:57:20.280 To help people at all times. 1400 00:57:22.179 --> 00:57:24.539 And to live by the Girl Scout law. 1401 00:57:24.860 --> 00:57:25.159 Okay.

1402 00:57:25.179 --> 00:57:28.619 And yeah, I do that. I always do that. So 1403 00:57:28.659 --> 00:57:29.340 you're welcome. 1404 00:57:29.389 --> 00:57:32.250 Do you think that you upheld the Girl Scout code 1405 00:57:32.289 --> 00:57:33.650 when you were my full-time assistant? 1406 00:57:34.030 --> 00:57:38.130 I helped people at all times. 1407 00:57:38.210 --> 00:57:39.130 But what about me? 1408 00:57:40.579 --> 00:57:43.000 I helped people at all times. And I lived by 1409 00:57:43.039 --> 00:57:45.820 the Girl Scout law. So, you know, I did my 1410 00:57:45.860 --> 00:57:46.500 best with you. 1411 00:57:46.519 --> 00:57:48.099 You do very well in a Senate country. 1412 00:57:48.139 --> 00:57:48.530 I know. 1413 00:57:48.619 --> 00:57:50.530 It does sound like that. 1414 00:57:50.750 --> 00:57:54.489 The Senate votes unanimously that you are the new... Secretary 1415 00:57:54.510 --> 00:57:55.110 of the Interior. 1416 00:57:55.250 --> 00:57:58.639 I do not recall. So that's what I'm going to say. 1417 00:57:58.699 --> 00:57:59.500 Did I always help you? 1418 00:57:59.519 --> 00:58:01.119 I do not recall. So how did you get into 1419 00:58:01.159 --> 00:58:03.980 the Girl Scouts? Whose idea was it? Was this something 1420 00:58:04.000 --> 00:58:06.039 that your parents came up with or is it something 1421 00:58:06.059 --> 00:58:06.639 you wanted to do? 1422 00:58:06.739 --> 00:58:09.460 I think my parents. I think they wanted to get 1423 00:58:09.519 --> 00:58:10.929 us into American stuff. 1424 00:58:11.159 --> 00:58:12.829 And so they signed me up as a Girl Scout 1425 00:58:12.849 --> 00:58:14.110 when I was really young. 1426 00:58:14.170 --> 00:58:17.369 I was a Daisy. And then I became a Brownie. 1427 00:58:17.389 --> 00:58:18.110 I think that. 1428 00:58:18.269 --> 00:58:20.150 No, I was a Brownie. Then I became a junior. 1429 00:58:20.510 --> 00:58:20.889 And so. 1430 00:58:21.090 --> 00:58:22.389 I don't know what the ranks are. 1431 00:58:22.679 --> 00:58:22.780 Um. 1432 00:58:23.699 --> 00:58:24.980 It starts off at Daisy. 1433 00:58:25.000 --> 00:58:26.599 I thought Brownie was the beginning. Daisy was like. 1434 00:58:26.619 --> 00:58:29.579 Daisy's the baby, Brownie, and then Junior, and then it 1435 00:58:29.599 --> 00:58:31.179 goes up, but I stopped after Junior. 1436 00:58:31.219 --> 00:58:36.159 And then it's Reichsführer. Oh, God. Yeah, that's when you 1437 00:58:36.179 --> 00:58:38.139 get a long leather coat and a riding crop. 1438 00:58:38.239 --> 00:58:39.019 It was fun, though. 1439 00:58:39.059 --> 00:58:40.719 I had a lot of fun. And Mercedes. 1440 00:58:41.039 --> 00:58:41.320 Okay. 1441 00:58:41.679 --> 00:58:45.079 Well, we're joined by someone else on staff who we also... 1442 00:58:44.739 --> 00:58:48.019 Can I share a photo? And then it'll... Yeah, okay. 1443 00:58:48.039 --> 00:58:49.289 That's very good. Eduardo has a. 1444 00:58:51.369 --> 00:58:52.650 Oh, my God. 1445 00:58:52.969 --> 00:58:53.349 Oh,

my God. 1446 00:58:53.389 --> 00:58:55.909 Look at that. Sona. 1447 00:58:55.949 --> 00:58:56.940 So serious. 1448 00:58:57.139 --> 00:58:59.400 I don't know why I'm holding the flowers like that. 1449 00:58:59.420 --> 00:59:02.460 Sona, you look kind of like nonplussed about it all. 1450 00:59:03.920 --> 00:59:06.550 It does look like you're curling the flowers. 1451 00:59:07.070 --> 00:59:07.690 It does. 1452 00:59:07.889 --> 00:59:08.570 Oh, I just. 1453 00:59:08.670 --> 00:59:09.809 This is incredible. 1454 00:59:10.340 --> 00:59:11.039 Look at you. 1455 00:59:11.059 --> 00:59:11.139 Yeah. 1456 00:59:11.159 --> 00:59:15.010 You look like a flower bear at a funeral or something. 1457 00:59:15.860 --> 00:59:19.659 But also look at what are those markings indicate? Are 1458 00:59:19.679 --> 00:59:21.579 those different awards that you won? 1459 00:59:21.699 --> 00:59:25.139 Yeah. Those are my badges. That's what it's all for. 1460 00:59:25.239 --> 00:59:26.940 Yeah. But what were the badges? Do you remember what 1461 00:59:26.960 --> 00:59:28.619 your badges were for? I have no idea. 1462 00:59:28.699 --> 00:59:29.739 I think it was like, I. 1463 00:59:29.719 --> 00:59:31.980 Mean, it was the 80s and 90s. 1464 00:59:34.239 --> 00:59:35.860 It was like, oh, I made applesauce. 1465 00:59:36.139 --> 00:59:36.679 Oh, look at me. 1466 00:59:36.760 --> 00:59:39.119 I made a pie. Oh, look, I learned how to 1467 00:59:39.199 --> 00:59:41.920 sew and camping and stuff. 1468 00:59:41.980 --> 00:59:42.219 Yeah. 1469 00:59:42.239 --> 00:59:42.320 Yeah. 1470 00:59:42.400 --> 00:59:44.900 I bet Sona was really good at selling cookies, though. 1471 00:59:45.280 --> 00:59:46.159 Oh, my God. 1472 00:59:46.340 --> 00:59:47.679 You just tapped into a thing. 1473 00:59:47.960 --> 00:59:49.719 We would go in front of the Albertsons, and it 1474 00:59:49.760 --> 00:59:51.980 was me and this troop leader's daughter, and we would 1475 00:59:52.280 --> 00:59:54.219 battle it out to see who would sell more. And 1476 00:59:54.260 --> 00:59:57.719 sometimes we were so aggressive, we scared away customers. 1477 00:59:57.760 --> 00:59:59.059 And you were just— and here's the thing. 1478 00:59:59.340 --> 01:00:03.610 You were a little girl who scared away adults, and 1479 01:00:03.639 --> 01:00:05.010 you were holding cookies. 1480 01:00:05.070 --> 01:00:06.969 Wearing a brownie uniform. 1481 01:00:06.989 --> 01:00:08.130 Look at that monster. 1482 01:00:08.150 --> 01:00:08.369 Yeah. 1483 01:00:08.889 --> 01:00:09.949 Look at that monster. 1484 01:00:10.230 --> 01:00:10.489 Yeah. 1485 01:00:10.590 --> 01:00:12.110 Oh my God. 1486 01:00:12.269 --> 01:00:13.449 Always be closing. 1487 01:00:14.170 --> 01:00:15.449 It's an assassin. 1488 01:00:15.469 --> 01:00:21.849 Yes, you were a David Mamet play. Desperate. He said, 1489 01:00:21.889 --> 01:00:27.289 I want the Glengarry leads. I can't sell these Milanos. 1490 01:00:27.570 --> 01:00:29.739 I want the Samoa leads. I want the

Samoa leads. 1491 01:00:29.760 --> 01:00:31.199 These Milanos ain't selling. 1492 01:00:31.719 --> 01:00:35.099 Milanos are not Girl Scout cookies. And you should know that. 1493 01:00:35.199 --> 01:00:37.019 I don't know. How dare you? Oh, by the way, 1494 01:00:37.360 --> 01:00:40.119 no one's bought more Girl Scout cookies than I have. Okay. 1495 01:00:40.199 --> 01:00:43.059 Because we have some moms here. 1496 01:00:43.420 --> 01:00:43.599 Yeah. 1497 01:00:43.760 --> 01:00:46.750 That work here that have daughter. And all I do 1498 01:00:46.889 --> 01:00:50.289 is buy Girl Scout cookies by the bucket load. Okay. 1499 01:00:50.369 --> 01:00:52.070 And I take none of them home. I don't eat them. 1500 01:00:52.150 --> 01:00:54.989 So, um, well, you should know Milano's are not Girl Scout. 1501 01:00:55.090 --> 01:00:55.369 Okay. 1502 01:00:55.409 --> 01:00:56.369 Tell me what the cookies are. 1503 01:00:56.389 --> 01:01:00.539 There's thin mints. There's Samoas. There's the, that's pretty much, oh, 1504 01:01:00.559 --> 01:01:04.219 the tagalongs are really good. Um, the shortbread. 1505 01:01:04.239 --> 01:01:04.739 Okay. 1506 01:01:04.980 --> 01:01:06.559 There's the lemon ones. 1507 01:01:06.599 --> 01:01:08.000 I mean, it sounds like, and what was your spiel 1508 01:01:08.019 --> 01:01:08.880 when you were trying to sell? 1509 01:01:09.139 --> 01:01:10.760 Would you like to buy some Girl Scout cookies? 1510 01:01:10.840 --> 01:01:12.530 I bet your spiel was more like, you're going to 1511 01:01:12.570 --> 01:01:15.369 buy some fucking cookies. Or you're going to have a 1512 01:01:15.409 --> 01:01:17.429 flat tire when you're done buying grapes. 1513 01:01:17.630 --> 01:01:19.670 And you're going to have protection from here on out. 1514 01:01:19.769 --> 01:01:20.349 You understand? 1515 01:01:20.469 --> 01:01:23.150 I was smoking a cigarette outside the Albertsons. 1516 01:01:23.190 --> 01:01:25.869 You just wore a tracksuit. Tracksuit with badges on it. 1517 01:01:26.150 --> 01:01:31.679 Tracksuit, badges. You're smoking a bubblegum cigarette. Look here, see? 1518 01:01:32.150 --> 01:01:33.829 Why are you carrying a tire iron. 1519 01:01:33.849 --> 01:01:34.489 Girl Scout? 1520 01:01:35.309 --> 01:01:37.880 You like having knees? Must be nice. 1521 01:01:38.780 --> 01:01:38.980 Look. 1522 01:01:39.639 --> 01:01:42.219 You buy some tagalongs, and I won't be tagging along, 1523 01:01:42.260 --> 01:01:45.900 if you know what I mean. Hey, I'm also going 1524 01:01:45.920 --> 01:01:50.889 to sell you some Milanos. They're not street cred. These 1525 01:01:50.909 --> 01:01:53.050 fell off a truck. Yeah, I don't think those are 1526 01:01:53.090 --> 01:01:55.429 Girl Scout cookies. I said they fell. 1527 01:01:55.309 --> 01:01:59.920 Off a truck. 1528 01:01:59.940 --> 01:02:00.519 Now, David. 1529 01:02:00.679 --> 01:02:00.960 Yeah. 1530 01:02:01.840 --> 01:02:04.960 It is also revealed, when you saw this picture of Sona, 1531 01:02:04.980 --> 01:02:07.769 you said, wait a minute, I must add something to this. 1532 01:02:07.789 --> 01:02:09.369 I was a scout. You were a scout. You were 1533 01:02:09.389 --> 01:02:10.809 not only a scout, though. I'm an eagle. You were 1534 01:02:10.829 --> 01:02:11.250 an eagle scout. 1535 01:02:11.289 --> 01:02:11.829 I'm an eagle scout. 1536 01:02:11.869 --> 01:02:12.849 He went the distance. 1537 01:02:13.110 --> 01:02:14.550 That's as high as you can go. 1538 01:02:14.650 --> 01:02:14.889 Yeah. 1539 01:02:15.130 --> 01:02:15.349 Yeah. 1540 01:02:15.909 --> 01:02:16.760 You're lucky to have us. 1541 01:02:17.190 --> 01:02:20.840 Yeah, I know. So, wow, both my assistants have risen 1542 01:02:20.880 --> 01:02:24.780 in the ranks of one of the most prestigious... Blah, blah, blah. 1543 01:02:25.400 --> 01:02:27.989 Oh, look at that picture. That's so adorable. 1544 01:02:28.409 --> 01:02:32.010 I think that that's me holding a participation trophy. No, 1545 01:02:32.050 --> 01:02:33.360 you got a slot car. 1546 01:02:33.369 --> 01:02:34.230 You're doing a slot car race. 1547 01:02:34.250 --> 01:02:36.670 That was my Pinewood Derby car that I, like, built. 1548 01:02:36.889 --> 01:02:37.320 Oh, look at David. 1549 01:02:37.380 --> 01:02:40.659 And then I lost, and that's my participation trophy. 1550 01:02:40.699 --> 01:02:43.099 He got a participation trophy. 1551 01:02:43.280 --> 01:02:47.320 Wait, what is... What does a participation trophy look like? 1552 01:02:47.400 --> 01:02:47.699 I mean. 1553 01:02:48.000 --> 01:02:49.780 It's just smaller than the other trophies. 1554 01:02:49.949 --> 01:02:52.769 But is it a figure kind of shrugging? It's a car. 1555 01:02:52.849 --> 01:02:53.590 It's a little car. 1556 01:02:53.710 --> 01:02:55.429 Oh, it's a little car. It's not even a car. 1557 01:02:55.449 --> 01:02:56.289 It's just a blob. 1558 01:02:57.230 --> 01:02:58.070 That was a big day. 1559 01:02:58.090 --> 01:03:00.789 Yeah, I can tell. I can tell. You've never been 1560 01:03:00.809 --> 01:03:01.329 able to live. 1561 01:03:01.230 --> 01:03:02.769 Up to that day. You put in so much work 1562 01:03:02.809 --> 01:03:04.469 and then you put your car up and it's over 1563 01:03:04.510 --> 01:03:06.590 in like a second. 1564 01:03:07.090 --> 01:03:13.699 David, you look no different. Sona looks like... Sona has 1565 01:03:13.739 --> 01:03:18.519 grown into an adult person. You look like, look at 1566 01:03:18.579 --> 01:03:20.579 David and look at this little boy. 1567 01:03:20.599 --> 01:03:23.840 I need to get the round glasses again. 1568 01:03:24.179 --> 01:03:25.199 Oh my God. 1569 01:03:25.389 --> 01:03:26.630 That is so cute, David. 1570 01:03:26.809 --> 01:03:30.070 That's a very cute photograph. Now, you, what kind of 1571 01:03:30.329 --> 01:03:32.590 badges did you get? I mean, if you went that high, 1572 01:03:32.929 --> 01:03:34.389 I mean, it sounds like Sona just had a couple 1573 01:03:34.409 --> 01:03:35.309 of bullshit badges.

1574 01:03:35.510 --> 01:03:35.579 Oh! 1575 01:03:36.409 --> 01:03:38.530 No, seriously, like you didn't stick around that long. 1576 01:03:38.590 --> 01:03:41.690 You didn't have any badges. If we're in nature with 1577 01:03:41.710 --> 01:03:44.030 the two of us, we could. 1578 01:03:44.130 --> 01:03:45.469 Yeah, we could start a fire. 1579 01:03:45.739 --> 01:03:46.780 We could do that. 1580 01:03:47.059 --> 01:03:48.880 Wait, could you start a fire, do you think, using 1581 01:03:48.920 --> 01:03:49.559 just two sticks? 1582 01:03:49.840 --> 01:03:51.480 No, I could with a lighter. 1583 01:03:51.500 --> 01:03:54.340 Oh, wow, that's what they teach you in the scouts now? 1584 01:03:56.219 --> 01:03:57.619 You need to go into the woods and all you 1585 01:03:57.659 --> 01:04:01.559 have is an acetylene torch and 17 pounds of beef. 1586 01:04:01.679 --> 01:04:03.780 Sona got her fire badge from just leaving a curling 1587 01:04:03.840 --> 01:04:04.210 iron on. 1588 01:04:06.940 --> 01:04:07.760 So what about you, David? 1589 01:04:07.780 --> 01:04:10.130 I mean, we had to do like the camping one. 1590 01:04:11.039 --> 01:04:13.510 The climbing one was awful because I had to rappel 1591 01:04:13.550 --> 01:04:17.090 from like a 30 foot tower and I was terrified. 1592 01:04:18.190 --> 01:04:20.929 But we didn't sell cookies. We sold Christmas trees. 1593 01:04:21.500 --> 01:04:24.619 Oh, that's rough. That's nice. Wow, that's big. Did they 1594 01:04:24.699 --> 01:04:26.059 come to a certain lot or did you have to 1595 01:04:26.079 --> 01:04:26.920 haul a tree around? 1596 01:04:26.980 --> 01:04:29.179 They would come to a lot and then the Boy Scouts, 1597 01:04:29.199 --> 01:04:32.070 we would just sit there and sell to everyone in Carlinville. 1598 01:04:32.820 --> 01:04:35.570 And this is Carlinville, Illinois. Shout out to Carlinville. Yeah. 1599 01:04:35.909 --> 01:04:38.670 And David has told me many stories about Carlinville. 1600 01:04:38.690 --> 01:04:40.510 You're basically a local at this point. 1601 01:04:40.530 --> 01:04:43.670 No, I know all about Carlinville. I have gone on 1602 01:04:43.710 --> 01:04:45.210 the local websites. 1603 01:04:45.269 --> 01:04:45.469 Yeah. 1604 01:04:45.789 --> 01:04:48.210 You've shown me where you used to hang out, one 1605 01:04:48.230 --> 01:04:51.690 of the two places where you could hang out in Carlinville. Hey, Carlinville, 1606 01:04:51.710 --> 01:04:55.269 Conan O'Brien here. I would love to visit Carlinville someday. Hey, 1607 01:04:55.329 --> 01:04:57.289 I think I deserve a parade. 1608 01:04:57.329 --> 01:04:59.929 There'll be a parade. 1609 01:05:00.449 --> 01:05:01.789 No, David doesn't get a parade. 1610 01:05:01.809 --> 01:05:03.110 Do we both get to be on the float? 1611 01:05:03.190 --> 01:05:03.750 No. 1612 01:05:03.769 --> 01:05:05.309 No, he's a local boy made good. 1613 01:05:05.449 --> 01:05:06.969 David drives the float. 1614 01:05:09.139 --> 01:05:10.199 I'll still wave. 1615 01:05:11.300 --> 01:05:12.920 And our float will come in second. 1616 01:05:12.980 --> 01:05:14.179 What is our float going to be? 1617 01:05:14.420 --> 01:05:18.079 It's going to be the participation float. 1618 01:05:19.019 --> 01:05:22.420 I love that there's a float competition for Conan to visit. 1619 01:05:22.519 --> 01:05:26.030 And because you're driving, we get the participation. 1620 01:05:27.630 --> 01:05:28.710 Sona wins somehow. 1621 01:05:28.829 --> 01:05:29.230 I know. 1622 01:05:30.690 --> 01:05:33.369 I will say this. I trust you both with my life. 1623 01:05:33.690 --> 01:05:38.139 And that speaks well of the Boy and Girl Scouts. 1624 01:05:38.199 --> 01:05:43.449 Because I think you're both... exemplary people I don't say 1625 01:05:43.469 --> 01:05:46.639 that you have great skills and I wouldn't go turn 1626 01:05:46.659 --> 01:05:48.559 to you if I was lost in the woods but 1627 01:05:48.579 --> 01:05:50.480 you're both very good people they gave you a good 1628 01:05:50.539 --> 01:05:51.420 moral code. 1629 01:05:51.719 --> 01:05:52.260 We'll take it. 1630 01:05:54.019 --> 01:05:57.539 Thanks so shout out to the scouts and hey scouts 1631 01:05:57.559 --> 01:06:01.530 get a Milano there's no reason why you just can't 1632 01:06:01.570 --> 01:06:04.389 start putting Milanos in there and no it's not a 1633 01:06:04.429 --> 01:06:08.250 trademark name and no I haven't looked into it just 1634 01:06:08.329 --> 01:06:13.519 do it But anyway, and Carlinville, we'll be seeing you soon. 1635 01:06:13.639 --> 01:06:16.000 We're going to be in the paper. 1636 01:06:16.199 --> 01:06:18.260 You just sexually harassed a city. 1637 01:06:19.940 --> 01:06:23.760 These pictures can be viewed at Team Coco Podcast on Instagram. 1638 01:06:26.170 --> 01:06:29.929 Conan O'Brien Needs a Friend with Conan O'Brien, Sonam Ovsessian, 1639 01:06:30.190 --> 01:06:34.309 and Matt Gourley. 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