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My name is Moses Storm. And I feel psychotic about
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being your friend.
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I don't know how to take that. I just mean
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that it's a dangerous story.
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When I tell people how we met and how much
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you have done for me personally in my life, it's
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a dangerous thing to say because I think what I
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have is what stalkers are hoping for. When they follow
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Brie Larson to her car.
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Fall is here, hear the yell. Back to school, ring
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the bell. Brand new shoes, walking blues.
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Climb the fence.
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Books and pens. I can tell that we are gonna
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be friends. Yes, I can tell that we are gonna
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be friends. Hey there, welcome to Conan O'Brien. Needs a friend.
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I would be Conan O'Brien. Always looking for a chum.
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No one says chum enough anymore.
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That's why I want to chill chums.
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I know, but it should really, it just should come
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back more than it has. I don't think so. Okay.
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I'm joined by one of my chums, one of my
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main hombres. Yeah. Sonam of Session. Hi. How's it going?
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You know, it's okay.
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What do you got in your mouth? I had combos.
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It's the pretzels with the cheddar cheese in them.
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This isn't even an ad. You know the cheese in combos,
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and I should probably research this before I say anything. Yeah.
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Is that cheese that's in a combo? I don't think so.
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It's Play-Doh. Okay. Well, listen. It's so good. I want
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to make sure that legally we're in the clear, but
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I just want to get it out there. I don't
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know what's in a combo, but I'd like some proof
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that it was cheese at some point. I know you
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want one. Well, I just want to read what's in it.
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This is a combo. You don't all know what a
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combo is, ladies and gentlemen. It's a pretzel. It looks
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like a vertebrae. And then in the center is a
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little tub of, and then in the center is a
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cheese-like substance. You could put peanut butter in it.
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I'm Matt Gurley. I'm the producer.
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Gorley, in the natural order of things, it's Sona, what's
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inside a combo, and then you introduce Matt Gorley.
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Okay.
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That's the natural order of things.
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I see, okay.
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This is important. Inside is, let's see, hydrolyzed wheat gluten,
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natural flavor coloring, yellow five, lake, yellow six, lake, blue one, lake.
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Those are kinds of dyes.
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Lake?
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Yeah, L-A-K-E. Lactic acid, citric acid, lactose, sodium, caseinate. So yeah,
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that's cheese.
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Oh.
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This is an award winning podcast.
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Is it?
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Is it though? We did that? It is technically.
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I didn't say it was merited.
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That's a combo. And you know what? It's not bad.
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We are not getting any money from the makers of combo.
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I don't even know who they are. Stop
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crinkling the package.
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We're trying to- I'm trying to figure out who makes
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combos and they might be their own thing.
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That's very cool. Oh, you think it's just a factory
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somewhere that says combo?
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Yes.
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No, they've got to be owned by some massive concern.
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It doesn't say anything. Today's guest is a frequent.
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Hold on a second. I freaking love combos. Yeah, hold
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on a second. Why are we making this all about combos?
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This is how random things are. Just because you came
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in here munching on combos. Yeah. We're talking about combos. Yeah,
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this is, you can tell. It's just, people listening are like,
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this is too funny. No, it's not funny at all.
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It's awful. This is, what an awful opening. You're going
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to have another combo. I know that. No, no, no, no.
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I'm looking at it. I'm trying to see. You're right.
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It doesn't say Nestle on it. No, it doesn't. It
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doesn't say, yeah. Freewheeling combos.
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Right.
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By themselves. They're autonomous. It's by the makers of Chevrolet. Jesus.
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I used to eat these a lot when I was
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getting high. This might be too awful an opening. I
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think this opening sucks. Let's do another one. Are you
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being serious?
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Sure.
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Why?
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I think the bad ones are also still fun. I also,
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I think you're underestimating the popularity of combos. I think
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people are going to really love this.
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I think you're overestimating the other segments we do on
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this show that you might compare this to.
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Okay, well, I maintain this feels terrible to me.
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Okay.
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Now, look, I like combos. I have nothing against combos,
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but all we've done is talk about combos, and now
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I feel like I'm in a almost a whirlpool where
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I keep seeing combo. I can't stop talking about it
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because you've introduced it. Listen, I didn't mean to deride
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that snack and question whether it's real cheese on the inside.
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I think that was rash on my part.
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Yes. But I'm certain that's not cheese. Well, at least
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we got to the bottom of something. Is everything you
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eat real?
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Oh, come on. Come on. No, it's not. Well, Sona,
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I do hope you're eating healthy now that you're a mom. Ugh.
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You're still, you're breastfeeding. That's not too personal, is it?
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It's not. I pumped before we started recording. Right, so
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whatever you eat goes to the twins. It does. So
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if you're eating a combo and it's filled with lactin, gaiathalate,
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number five, dye number seven, that's going to your twins,
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Mikey and Charlie.
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Yeah, it is.
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Wow.
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And then you wonder, why do they glow at night?
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Why are they so easy to see in the fog?
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I mean, is everything that I'm going to eat going
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to be healthy? It's got to be, yes.
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Come on.
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You are feeding these lovely little twins. Yeah. They're six
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months old, and you're providing the building blocks.
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I know, but I can't eat. I love them, but
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I can't eat healthy for them.
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You eat pretty healthy.
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I need a snack every once in a while.
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Everyone does, that's not the problem. But most of the time,
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aren't you eating healthy stuff? I am actually, yeah.
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Okay.
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Yeah, I'm doing okay. What's the worst thing you were
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gonna eat today besides the combos? McDonald's. Oh, oh my Lord. Really?
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Every once in a while, I like need it. Do
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you get the shakes?
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Again, that would happen when I would get high back
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in the day, either McDonald's or Taco Bell. And it
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would be like two in the morning. I'd be like,
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I gotta get a burger.
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Do you remember before the live show, Sona, we had
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time to kill and you went, I'm going to McDonald's,
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what do you want? And you just went on a
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McDonald's mission.
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I did.
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I know.
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Do you think Taco Bell will ever just come out
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with an ad that says, Taco Bell, it's the best
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when you're high? Would they ever do that? They should.
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They should, right?
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Yeah.
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It is.
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Is it?
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Once I went to Taco Bell and I was like,
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I want 50 tacos. And they didn't even, they were
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just like, okay, do you need hot sauce?
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I don't know if I've mentioned that. I feel like
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I have, but I just- I don't think so. I've
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never heard this before.
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So, yeah, my friends and I, we were high. We
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went to the Taco Bell. We're like, can we have
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50 tacos? And we were like, oh, my God, it's
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going to take hours for them to make it. They
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did not at all react. They were like, sure, no problem.
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What kind of hot sauce do you want? And we're like,
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this hot sauce, whatever. And then we got to the
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window and they handed us a carton made for high
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people that had 50 tacos in it.
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Oh, my God. Right. So at some corporate level, they've
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accepted that a huge number of the people going to
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Taco Bell are high and that they will cater to them.
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They just can't say it in their advertising.
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Yeah.
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It's like those shower massagers that are clearly not for
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anything other than really massaging. You know what I'm saying?
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No, I don't know what you're saying.
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You know what I'm talking about.
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Come on.
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You know what I'm talking about. What if you used
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your shower massage? I don't have one.
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I'm just saying they're sold in like a CVS with
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the kind of like bulbous end. And it's like, oh, yeah,
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relax your muscles in the shower. But what we really
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know is going on there. No, what are you talking about?
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I have no idea what you're talking about. What are
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you talking about?
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No idea.
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You know what, girl? You probably look at everything like that.
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You're like, oh, we all know what those traffic cones
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are really for.
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Well, come on. Look at the microphones we're talking into.
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We know what's really going on here.
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You look at everything that way. Oh, look at that
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weather stripping. Oh, boy.
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Oh, don't get me started. Oh, I could have a
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good time with that. I don't want to tube in you.
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I'm going to say that a iconic actress, I was
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once having a party at my home. An iconic actress
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was there. I cannot say the name, but an iconic actress.
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Superstar actress was there and she asked for a quick
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tour of the house and I was showing her the
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house and then I showed her my wife's closet and
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there was a bunch of shoes on like a rack
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and she went, oh, with these shoes, I bet you
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and your wife have a pretty good time with these
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high heels.
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Oh my God.
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To this day, I don't know what she's talking about.
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Oh my God. I don't know. Does she mean I'm
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wearing them and she's wearing, or am I taking the
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heel of a shoe and shoving it into my- No.
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What am I doing? Stop, don't even finish whatever you're
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about to say. Well, I don't know what she meant.
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She meant she wears them and then she's like, sexy
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time for you. No, she meant the two of us
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doing something with the shoes and it meant both of us.
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Oh.
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And I cannot name the actress. I just can't. Can
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you mouth it? You will after. I know. No, because
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then you're going to say, oh, he just mouthed Sally Fields.
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And we all know- Is that who it was?
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No, it was not. But I gave, I sure had
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you going there for a second. It was not, but
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everything I've told you is true. Anyway, that's my story
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and I'm sticking to it. That actress says how to
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heal shoved up her vagina, for sure. Don't say that.
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For starters. you guys are being subtle. I'm saying it
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as it is. Is that what you meant? I don't
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mean anything. Gorley's the one that can look at anything
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and immediately see an erotic adventure.
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By the way, can I see one of those combos?
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I'm getting turned on.
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Yeah, yeah. Gorley sees a combo and he's like, oh yeah.
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They say it's a pretzel snack with cheese in it,
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but we all know what it's... Really four.
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I run a section of the dark web that gives
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the real purposes for everyday things.
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I hear moaning from Gorley's office. I kick the door down.
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He's in there with combos all over his nipples. It's
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not even real cheese. The rap site came up right
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as you said that. Oh, he wants to wrap it up. Guys, guys, guys,
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we have a lot of show today. A lot of show.
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So let's just stick with that mental image. Gorley having sex.
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explosive orgasms covered.
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In pretzel combos.
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Oh, come on, you're kidding.
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That's just, you've gone too far.
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Or not far enough.
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All right, well, I'm very happy. My guest today is
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a hilarious comedian who has performed standup on my show,
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and he actually toured with me in 2018. We had
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a blast performing on the road together. He was delightfully
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funny every single night. His new comedy special, Trash White
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is available now on HBO Max. I am very happy
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that he's here with us today. He's a very funny guy,
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very talented, and a good friend. Moses Storm, welcome. Let's
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preface this by saying I am delighted to be your
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friend because I will just let the Let the crowd in.
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I met
you a couple of years ago, really, at
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Comic-Con when you did just terrific, terrific work for me.
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And then I did a tour with a bunch of stand-ups,
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young folk, whippersnappers, and you were kind enough to join
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me on that. Again, my favorite thing in comedy is
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when you find people that are really funny. in a
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genuine creative way and have an authentic voice, but they're
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also very nice people. And you checked every box and
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we had a really good time hanging out together. And
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then the tour was over. And I remembered I had
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my lawyer go to you and say, that's it, you
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don't see Conan again. Right, but he didn't just come
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to me, he pulled in front of my car. Yeah,
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that's how we do it. Yeah, and it was pretty hostile. Yeah,
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and it's a blacked out, murdered out Hummer. And it
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says Conan's lawyer on the side. But basically, because sometimes
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I make friends with comics, but then I want them
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to know, and talented people, look, that's it, it's over now.
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You're not to make eye contact with him again. And
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they're like, what, who, what was that? Yeah, yeah, and
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you seemed, you were rattled, but you finally, I.
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Was rattled because it was so tinted that the driver,
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he couldn't even see out the windshield. He had to
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put his head out because it was double tinted.
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need a lawyer in there. It just needs to be
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a Hummer that says Conan's lawyer. And then the guy
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can just be intimidating. But no, we got along so well.
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And of course you became one of the favorites you were,
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On my late night show, a bunch. And then we
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were very excited because we said, hey, let's produce a
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comedy special with Moses that you wrote and co-directed. I mean,
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you did everything. I think you built the cameras for it. Yeah,
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and it shows. They are all out of focus. Yeah,
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he ground the lenses for it. And your special, and again,
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I have to say this as a, I am involved
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in this special and my team is involved in this special.
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It's called Trash White and it just dropped on HBO Max.
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I absolutely love it. I love the special. And so
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I was really glad that some of my favorite things
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in there. And then there's so much in this special
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that I had not heard before. And it's really, really
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funny and you perform it brilliantly. But at the same time,
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it's also completely 100% true.
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It is your- Yeah.
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Life story. And it's complicated because I know your life
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story and I find myself laughing so hard at the special,
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but at the same time, what you're talking about is
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a child being raised in abject poverty, dumpster diving for food,
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living in a bus, and you talk about it without
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any self-pity, but you describe so well what it's like
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to grow up in conditions like that. And you get
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so many hard laughs, but at the same time, there's
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a lot of empathy. There's a lot of pathos. I
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don't know. I think it's fantastic. And I think it's
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of the moment. Let's get into it. Let's talk about
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what it was like for you to tell this story
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And kill.
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Yeah.
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It's really funny. Well, one of them you are responsible for.
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I think the video bit from America's Funniest Home Videos
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was something I wasn't going to put in or was
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going to cut. Or sometimes documentary footage in a stand-up
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special feels like you're cheating.
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Right.
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You're bringing people in.
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What you're supposed to do on stage- is build intimacy
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just through the spoken word. And if you show doc footage,
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you're kind of cheating. Yeah, that was something I debated
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putting in because it's also my siblings' faces and it's
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my mom's voice. And at the end of the day,
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there's something that's painful for me. I've edited
stuff out
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of that that I don't think my siblings would want
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out there. But I think if you're watching it, you
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can tell what those things are.
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And let me quickly explain. There's a couple of things
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that are powerful about it. First of all, you're talking
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about America's Funniest Home Videos, and you taped this special
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a couple of months ago, and you referenced Bob Saget,
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who just passed away shockingly, but you're not referencing him
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in a mean way at all. You're just referencing his show.
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But what you're doing, and I just want to explain
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to people, is you're basically showing, you're telling the story
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of how your mother heard that you could make money
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if you submitted, you if you won on America's Funniest
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Home Videos. So she tried to manufacture one using you
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and your siblings and you see, it must be 80
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takes of her trying to get this thing right. And
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the thing is, it is one of the funnier things
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I've seen and it's in the special and you show
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the different takes and you break down how your mom
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tried to scam America's Funniest Home Videos. The thing is, yes,
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your mom is trying to make money with this scam video.
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and she's using her children. It's so double-edged, but at
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the same time, it is hilarious how you and your
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brothers and sisters are getting it wrong and screwing up
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the takes because you don't understand how to flub something
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on purpose. And you watch this whole thing unfold and
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it's kind of brilliant. It makes me, The first question
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I'm sure a lot of people ask you is, how's
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your mom feel about this being shown? Is she cool
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with it? Yeah.
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One, yes. The video was so funny that I knew
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it had to be in there. I was nervous about
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showing it, but I think talking to you on the tour,
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you're like, no, you have to do that.
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You have to do that. And Lena's that.
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So that's why it's in the special. It takes a
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lot of stock in what you say.
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So I was like, okay.
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Okay. So she aggressively tried to get us on the
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show to the point where it was a job. There's
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other bits that I have on tape that are maybe
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a little more unsafe. One where her skirt is attached
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to a truck, and she's holding my younger sister, and
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then the skirt gets ripped off.
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Where she's faking another one? Yeah, yeah. Trying to get another.
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A moving car is caught, and then, yeah, but you're
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holding a baby, and it's a truck.
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That one seemed a little too heavy.
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But yes, that is something I was very worried about
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is that it's great for me that I can monetize
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my pain and transmute it into something. But what I'm
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doing is I'm bringing people in that did not sign
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up to be performers. They don't want a public life.
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Sometimes my older brother will call me not saying like,
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why are you doing this? Why are you sometimes sugarcoating things?
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Why are you not saying the harder things? And it's
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the end of the day. It's like, I'm not talented
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enough yet. as a comedian to pull those things off.
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Well, let's talk about, because I want to make sure
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we tell this story correctly. Take us back. You're one
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of how many? It's a big family. One of five kids. Okay.
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Very religious parents. And for most of my life, we
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were in a bus. They got a bus because they
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were going to be missionaries for a religion that they.
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Helped make up.
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Yeah.
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I'll say cult, but cult has got this new weighted
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definition because of Netflix documentaries and podcasts where everyone is
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expecting something that has a national trial or is successful.
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I don't think we ever had an episode two. Right, right.
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Most cult shows, they have that episode. It's like, I
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was sleeping better. We were doing
yoga every day. And
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then they turn and then the dreadnought plays. We never
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even got to that point.
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There's no cliffhanger at all.
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Every Netflix documentary about a cult- you see at some
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point that people are profiting wildly from it.
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Yeah.
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At some point, suddenly someone has- Wait, that's you, Moses.
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Yeah.
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A Rolls Royce, eventually. A Rolls, yeah. No, no, but
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it's the long- I call myself Bhagwan now, and I
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roll up in a Rolls. It's the long con, but
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it sounded very much like your parents helped invent a
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cult that was completely unprofitable. Yes. And then you described
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this a little bit in the special, the bus they're
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driving around in, let's be clear, this isn't some cute, fun, oh,
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we took a VW bus and we put about $ 50, 000
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into it. No, yeah. This is not the bus you're
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talking about that has like a cool fold out this
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and it's for sale on eBay.
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This is not that bus, right? This is not the
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Etsy version of a bus. It's not Love and Care.
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The first thing they got, so one, this is scary.
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The bus was free. They traded a bunch of junk
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from the backyard of a house that we were renting,
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just a bunch of old stuff.
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Right.
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And when I pressed my mom about it, I was like,
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what do you mean? She goes, oh, it was the 90s,
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so everyone was trading.
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What?
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Like that wasn't an answer. Yeah. Yeah. That's how I
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got my first house. You traded. Yeah. I had three
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bags of what I said were magic beans. And I
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got a house.
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Trading.
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And traded up. So this guy was trying to get rid.
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Of a bus really fast, which is scary. And yeah,
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so he was just like, yeah, yeah, yeah, take it,
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take it. So I was like, what did he do?
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And why is the bumper dented?
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And then they- Like this, they're a sneaker and blood
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in the grill. Is there a little girl's bike in
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the wheel well? Police tape. Don't worry about that. Just
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tarp it.
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Every time you park it, just tarp the bus. They
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didn't insulate it, and we were living in Findlay, Ohio
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at the time. So my parents took the summer to
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convert the bus. They just parked it in our driveway,
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and we were about to be evicted because we couldn't
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pay rent in the house.
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So then there's.
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No tutorial videos, nothing you can really look up. So
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my dad would just like go up to people at
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a construction site and just like chat them up for tips.
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And it shows it's exactly the kind of thing you
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could build if you just chat it up somewhere.
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It's like not a very good MacGyver thing. But he
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has decent people skills.
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Yeah.
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And he's just chatting with people randomly. And so with
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duct tape and tons of bullshit, gets this bus moving.
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Gets this bus.
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I don't think we ever had fully working plumbing. The
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closest we got is we had a toilet that was
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on a platform with no door. So if you were
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to do a number two, you had to be on
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like a little stage almost.
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Oh, my God. Which is, by the way, the only
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00:22:21.869 --> 00:22:24.920
way I can go. We found that out from the tour. Yeah,
488
00:22:25.180 --> 00:22:29.769
I need to gather... People around me. Yeah. I need applause.
489
00:22:29.789 --> 00:22:32.089
Look at me. I need applause at the finish.
490
00:22:32.109 --> 00:22:34.589
That's when I got brought into the inner circle as
491
00:22:34.650 --> 00:22:36.930
I had to look at you on a little platform.
492
00:22:37.089 --> 00:22:38.650
Look me in the eye, Moses.
493
00:22:40.170 --> 00:22:42.009
And then normally, so you have something that's called a
494
00:22:42.329 --> 00:22:45.759
black tank that all the excrement goes into and then
495
00:22:45.799 --> 00:22:47.650
you dump it at campgrounds.
496
00:22:48.480 --> 00:22:49.380
We didn't have that.
497
00:22:49.440 --> 00:22:51.720
It was essentially just a bin, just like if you
498
00:22:51.740 --> 00:22:53.720
went to Target and you just put a bin under there.
499
00:22:54.059 --> 00:22:54.700
Yeah, criminal.
500
00:22:55.019 --> 00:22:57.900
Yeah, it's a crime. So mostly we would just use
501
00:22:57.940 --> 00:23:02.779
campground bathrooms. But if you had to go, which one
502
00:23:02.819 --> 00:23:05.640
night I did, you had to go in essentially a
503
00:23:05.799 --> 00:23:09.700
bin that was on a platform with the illusion of
504
00:23:09.740 --> 00:23:10.579
a toilet over it.
505
00:23:11.460 --> 00:23:15.109
With TUI, there's more choice than you think. Beach days
506
00:23:15.269 --> 00:23:17.349
or a city break. Weekend in Rome?
507
00:23:17.569 --> 00:23:17.910
Booked.
508
00:23:18.349 --> 00:23:19.730
Fly from your local airport?
509
00:23:20.009 --> 00:23:20.569
Of course.
510
00:23:21.029 --> 00:23:22.950
Just a hotel? Got them too.
511
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Number of nights?
512
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Brother, you know, some people would think that's not true.
531
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You can't get a vehicle for free. My brother Neil
532
00:24:37.210 --> 00:24:40.369
proved to me many times he would go out and
533
00:24:40.490 --> 00:24:44.329
then come home with a car that he got for free.
534
00:24:44.880 --> 00:24:47.519
because people want to get rid of their cars and
535
00:24:47.559 --> 00:24:50.440
he would go there and the car wouldn't really work,
536
00:24:50.500 --> 00:24:52.720
but he knew it just needed a spark plug and
537
00:24:52.769 --> 00:24:54.490
he'd get it running and then they would say, just
538
00:24:54.529 --> 00:24:57.130
get it out of here. And one of his ploys
539
00:24:57.170 --> 00:25:00.190
was the car would be selling for $ 50. Yeah. Literally
540
00:25:00.190 --> 00:25:01.670
$ 50 to just get this out of my yard. And
541
00:25:01.690 --> 00:25:05.009
he would show up, they would say, all right, just
542
00:25:05.049 --> 00:25:06.869
please get it out of here. Where's your 50? And
543
00:25:07.490 --> 00:25:09.170
my brother Neil would reach in his pockets and go,
544
00:25:09.210 --> 00:25:11.690
oh my God, I didn't bring, I forgot. I forgot
545
00:25:11.710 --> 00:25:13.789
to bring the money. And then they'd say, just get
546
00:25:13.829 --> 00:25:15.829
the fuck out of here. I don't care. And my
547
00:25:15.869 --> 00:25:19.970
brother Neil would drive this thing home and then do
548
00:25:20.049 --> 00:25:22.690
very little to fix it up, practically nothing, and just
549
00:25:22.750 --> 00:25:23.809
tool around Boston in it.
550
00:25:23.809 --> 00:25:27.329
I can't believe that worked. It's just like, I don't
551
00:25:27.369 --> 00:25:29.130
have the money on me. It's like, go get it.
552
00:25:29.170 --> 00:25:31.660
Well, because they wanted it gone. And I remember going
553
00:25:31.720 --> 00:25:33.420
with him once and I didn't know that this was
554
00:25:33.460 --> 00:25:39.500
his thing. And the person said, all right, just please
555
00:25:39.539 --> 00:25:42.240
just get this piece of shit out of here. where's
556
00:25:42.279 --> 00:25:44.900
my $ 40? And Neil said, I don't have it. And
557
00:25:45.049 --> 00:25:46.390
I was with my brother Neil and I said, well,
558
00:25:46.410 --> 00:25:51.549
I've got $ 40. And my brother Neil gave me this
559
00:25:51.650 --> 00:25:55.569
look like, I'll take care of you later. So I
560
00:25:55.690 --> 00:25:57.750
handed the people the $ 40 and I said, you can
561
00:25:57.789 --> 00:25:59.109
pay me back when we get home. We got in
562
00:25:59.130 --> 00:26:00.829
the car and he's like, I am not paying you back. Oh,
563
00:26:01.029 --> 00:26:01.430
fuck that.
564
00:26:01.490 --> 00:26:04.190
Yeah, I'm on his side, you blew the grip. I
565
00:26:04.210 --> 00:26:06.990
was such an idiot, I'm like, $ 40, well I've got that.
566
00:26:07.289 --> 00:26:11.710
And in fact, you have $ 200 in the glove compartment.
567
00:26:11.859 --> 00:26:13.039
I have much more.
568
00:26:13.130 --> 00:26:15.700
Yeah, why this car looks like it's worth a lot
569
00:26:15.819 --> 00:26:18.980
more than that. Wait a minute, that's an old Bugatti.
570
00:26:19.680 --> 00:26:23.299
According to my Kelly Blue book. You could get so
571
00:26:23.359 --> 00:26:28.319
much more for this. So, but I never saw the photo,
572
00:26:28.359 --> 00:26:32.799
but you did talk on tour about how when you
573
00:26:33.160 --> 00:26:37.329
were a child, you looked, or young teenager, you
looked
574
00:26:37.470 --> 00:26:40.269
very much like a really cute girl.
575
00:26:40.670 --> 00:26:41.009
Yeah.
576
00:26:41.390 --> 00:26:46.990
And I kind of thought, well, most comics exaggerate. You
577
00:26:47.009 --> 00:26:51.750
put this picture up in the special, and I swear
578
00:26:52.509 --> 00:26:57.759
that is a... very kind and nice and good-looking 12-year-old girl.
579
00:26:58.240 --> 00:27:02.319
And we've all been self-deprecating. No girl looks more like
580
00:27:02.359 --> 00:27:05.250
a girl than the photo you put up. Yes, that
581
00:27:05.289 --> 00:27:07.130
is so fair. It's insane, it is insane.
582
00:27:07.210 --> 00:27:09.569
So here's what I couldn't legally say on the special.
583
00:27:09.730 --> 00:27:13.549
That photo shoot was free because at the end of
584
00:27:13.589 --> 00:27:17.079
the shoot, the woman that took those photos said, oh
585
00:27:17.119 --> 00:27:19.579
my God, the boys are gonna go crazy for you.
586
00:27:19.599 --> 00:27:24.490
And I was like... What? And my mom got furious. Like,
587
00:27:24.509 --> 00:27:24.950
he's a boy.
588
00:27:24.970 --> 00:27:27.130
He's obviously a boy. You make him do all those
589
00:27:27.190 --> 00:27:29.309
poses because there's poses where I'm like, I got your
590
00:27:29.349 --> 00:27:30.269
hand on your hip.
591
00:27:30.329 --> 00:27:33.710
Yeah, exactly. So she felt so bad.
592
00:27:33.730 --> 00:27:37.500
She was immediately flush red that that photo shoot. She's like,
593
00:27:37.539 --> 00:27:39.680
I'm so sorry about that. You know, let's just take
594
00:27:39.720 --> 00:27:42.680
these photos. Just my gift to you. I'm so sorry
595
00:27:42.720 --> 00:27:43.059
about that.
596
00:27:43.079 --> 00:27:44.000
And you are a boy.
597
00:27:44.039 --> 00:27:46.339
Not even worse. It's like how much she had to
598
00:27:46.380 --> 00:27:47.819
stop down to take care of me.
599
00:27:48.640 --> 00:27:50.519
There's nothing worse than someone going, and by the way,
600
00:27:50.799 --> 00:27:55.440
you are a boy. Yeah. I do believe you now.
601
00:27:55.660 --> 00:27:59.799
Because I was a beautiful girl. If I could be.
602
00:28:00.240 --> 00:28:02.890
You are. That's the problem. First of all, you're a
603
00:28:02.900 --> 00:28:05.690
very attractive fellow, and I've told you that many times.
604
00:28:05.930 --> 00:28:07.309
You're one of the few men I've met who was
605
00:28:07.369 --> 00:28:18.369
born wearing eyeliner. Yeah. But as a girl, you are stunning. Yeah.
606
00:28:18.430 --> 00:28:20.069
Really stunning. A little heartbreak.
607
00:28:20.109 --> 00:28:22.269
Every time I get nervous, I would lick my lips too,
608
00:28:22.309 --> 00:28:23.549
so my lips were always shiny.
609
00:28:24.539 --> 00:28:27.200
And I'd be at the skate park with my brothers. Also,
610
00:28:27.220 --> 00:28:29.799
whenever you got nervous, you'd put on a plaid skirt.
611
00:28:31.880 --> 00:28:35.200
It's a thing I do when I get nervous. Glitter
612
00:28:35.240 --> 00:28:38.880
under the eyes. I'm sorry. The nerves. It curbs the nerves.
613
00:28:39.180 --> 00:28:39.700
Yeah.
614
00:28:39.720 --> 00:28:41.069
So I'd be at the skate park and I would
615
00:28:41.089 --> 00:28:43.990
do a trick and people are like, yeah, girl skater.
616
00:28:44.029 --> 00:28:47.650
Let's go. Oh, man. Which hurts because it's a compliment.
617
00:28:47.950 --> 00:28:48.950
But it's like, but no.
618
00:28:49.809 --> 00:28:52.410
I got asked out one because I guess Moses Storm
619
00:28:52.430 --> 00:28:55.640
is an insane enough name where it's not like I'm Brad.
620
00:28:57.519 --> 00:28:59.319
Where someone, I guess, could.
621
00:29:00.450 --> 00:29:02.569
If you look like that and your name's a little unusual,
622
00:29:02.589 --> 00:29:04.150
then it's possible you're a girl.
623
00:29:04.170 --> 00:29:05.940
Moses is the ultimate father.
624
00:29:06.119 --> 00:29:07.059
I guess.
625
00:29:07.119 --> 00:29:10.259
It doesn't scream masculinity to me. Yeah, and Matt, there's
626
00:29:10.299 --> 00:29:12.380
a lot of people out there who don't read the
627
00:29:12.420 --> 00:29:15.259
Old Testament and don't watch the Ten Commandments.
628
00:29:15.339 --> 00:29:15.579
Okay.
629
00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:17.589
Well, I'm reading it now. Sorry, go on.
630
00:29:17.609 --> 00:29:18.410
Yeah, I know. I know.
631
00:29:18.430 --> 00:29:20.589
I could see you. We're on Zoom. But yeah, I
632
00:29:20.609 --> 00:29:24.690
could see people thinking, oh, that's some cool name. I also,
633
00:29:24.910 --> 00:29:28.710
someone who was given a strange name, And I feel,
634
00:29:28.890 --> 00:29:31.319
or an unusual name, a name you didn't hear, Moses
635
00:29:31.359 --> 00:29:35.869
Storm does sound made up. Yeah, it's too many unusuals.
636
00:29:35.920 --> 00:29:39.490
I think a good name is Conan O'Brien because the
637
00:29:39.529 --> 00:29:40.920
last name is very common.
638
00:29:41.099 --> 00:29:41.319
Right.
639
00:29:41.619 --> 00:29:45.009
So I think two unusual names together, it's a double
640
00:29:45.069 --> 00:29:47.069
negative where it's just like, oh, this is bullshit. This
641
00:29:47.349 --> 00:29:48.970
is a guy who's about to do, I was in
642
00:29:48.990 --> 00:29:52.309
San Francisco. And when you're not famous, they put your
643
00:29:52.549 --> 00:29:55.849
photo outside the marquee and your name. And I was
644
00:29:55.890 --> 00:29:58.369
just walking in for the night and I overheard this
645
00:29:58.569 --> 00:30:00.480
couple that was just like looking for something to do.
646
00:30:00.500 --> 00:30:02.940
Let's see what's happening at the comedy club. And the
647
00:30:02.980 --> 00:30:05.180
girl is a little drunk. She's like, what is a
648
00:30:05.519 --> 00:30:06.420
Moses storm?
649
00:30:07.640 --> 00:30:08.880
And then her.
650
00:30:08.720 --> 00:30:13.349
Boyfriend, you know, at 100 percent confidence, he goes, oh, yeah,
651
00:30:13.369 --> 00:30:14.910
I know him. I
don't think I'm in the mood
652
00:30:14.930 --> 00:30:15.990
to see magic tonight.
653
00:30:16.289 --> 00:30:16.690
Oh, yeah.
654
00:30:18.789 --> 00:30:21.710
The perfect delivery of just honest drunk people.
655
00:30:21.789 --> 00:30:22.049
Yeah.
656
00:30:22.569 --> 00:30:24.230
And I don't think they put two and two together,
657
00:30:24.269 --> 00:30:26.170
but they did turn around and I was just right there.
658
00:30:26.309 --> 00:30:26.549
Right.
659
00:30:26.849 --> 00:30:28.569
Wearing the same shirt from the photo.
660
00:30:29.230 --> 00:30:32.019
And a magician's hat. And a magician's hat. That's on me.
661
00:30:32.079 --> 00:30:33.400
That doesn't help my case. I was like, I don't
662
00:30:33.420 --> 00:30:34.559
want to see him. And you turn around and now
663
00:30:34.579 --> 00:30:35.059
you see me.
664
00:30:35.140 --> 00:30:36.640
It does sound like a drink too.
665
00:30:36.700 --> 00:30:36.819
Yeah.
666
00:30:36.839 --> 00:30:39.619
It does sound like a very, I'll have a Moses storm,
667
00:30:39.680 --> 00:30:43.180
you know? Right. Dana Carvey does a bit where he's
668
00:30:43.259 --> 00:30:48.130
Johnny Carson, who's been pulled over for- Slippery nipples. Yeah, exactly.
669
00:30:48.150 --> 00:30:50.890
And it's like, sure, I was at the Rusty Skipper
670
00:30:50.930 --> 00:30:54.549
having a slippery monkey, you know, and it's so, but
671
00:30:54.690 --> 00:30:55.710
a Moses storm.
672
00:30:55.789 --> 00:30:56.049
Yeah.
673
00:30:56.250 --> 00:30:58.549
Sounds like something like, I'll have a gin and tonic
674
00:30:58.609 --> 00:31:01.769
and for the lady, Okay, she'll have the Moses storm.
675
00:31:01.829 --> 00:31:04.170
It does sound like a dream. Yeah, it's like Hennessy
676
00:31:04.190 --> 00:31:09.130
with a splash of milk for the storm. Yeah, yeah.
677
00:31:09.150 --> 00:31:13.519
The stomach turner. Yeah, you immediately have to lay down.
678
00:31:13.759 --> 00:31:16.400
Just the top of a pineapple, not even the edible part.
679
00:31:17.319 --> 00:31:18.920
The part that hurts and you have to swallow it
680
00:31:18.940 --> 00:31:24.789
the wrong way. Spikes out. You know, it's funny, because
681
00:31:24.809 --> 00:31:28.230
you talk too in the special, which is something I didn't,
682
00:31:28.819 --> 00:31:33.599
realize is, uh, you talk about dyslexia, how you grew
683
00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:41.309
up in this incredibly impoverished situation where you're telling, where
684
00:31:41.329 --> 00:31:44.130
you're the lookout while your family dumpster dives for food.
685
00:31:44.710 --> 00:31:47.750
And you tell this hilarious swimming pool story. I mean,
686
00:31:48.369 --> 00:31:51.369
so many of these stories are, you'd think they're, this
687
00:31:51.410 --> 00:31:53.630
can't be true, but they are all completely true. Um,
688
00:31:54.509 --> 00:32:00.759
you also talk about, um, dyslexia. And I had this realization,
689
00:32:00.799 --> 00:32:02.039
which is at the end of the tour, I had
690
00:32:02.059 --> 00:32:05.829
this guitar that I just futzed around with backstage and
691
00:32:05.869 --> 00:32:07.349
didn't really use it on stage at all. It was
692
00:32:07.369 --> 00:32:13.390
just for backstage to keep my fingers busy. And at
693
00:32:13.430 --> 00:32:14.730
the end of the tour, I asked all of you
694
00:32:14.769 --> 00:32:18.369
guys to- Oh, no. No, it's really interesting. I asked
695
00:32:18.630 --> 00:32:22.480
all the comics to sign it, all the men and
696
00:32:22.519 --> 00:32:23.890
women who had been on the tour to sign it.
697
00:32:23.940 --> 00:32:26.079
And so and I think you were one of the
698
00:32:26.119 --> 00:32:27.980
last people and I handed it to you and everyone
699
00:32:28.019 --> 00:32:29.460
else just sort of signed it in front of me.
700
00:32:30.109 --> 00:32:33.960
And you spent a long time sort of thinking about it. And,
701
00:32:34.319 --> 00:32:36.039
you know, I knew you would talk to me about
702
00:32:36.079 --> 00:32:39.180
how you struggled with dyslexia and I don't know.
703
00:32:39.220 --> 00:32:40.750
Yeah, I was just, I honestly had a pit in
704
00:32:40.769 --> 00:32:42.990
my stomach. I thought I had misspelled something on your,
705
00:32:43.130 --> 00:32:44.920
that was my first thought when you brought that up.
706
00:32:45.009 --> 00:32:45.630
Only Conan.
707
00:32:46.029 --> 00:32:48.730
Yeah, you know, I didn't know there was a K.
708
00:32:48.869 --> 00:32:51.470
Everything else was like this perfect, I can't thank you
709
00:32:51.539 --> 00:32:55.559
enough for this wonderful opportunity. Everything is, and you're like, Beautiful,
710
00:32:55.700 --> 00:33:00.339
and the handwriting is beautiful, but yeah, K-U-N.
711
00:33:00.420 --> 00:33:00.839
K-U-N.
712
00:33:01.119 --> 00:33:08.450
How many ampersands are in your name? And then there's no....
713
00:33:06.019 --> 00:33:09.200
But I remember when MySpace first came out or Facebook
714
00:33:09.240 --> 00:33:13.400
came out, I would be messaging girls and then reading
715
00:33:13.440 --> 00:33:15.740
it back, and it's just all... If you get an
716
00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:18.859
email from me, now it's gotten better with software, but
717
00:33:19.019 --> 00:33:22.640
it's like English is probably my third or fourth language.
718
00:33:22.880 --> 00:33:23.069
Right.
719
00:33:23.410 --> 00:33:25.730
It is how are you and of doing of good.
720
00:33:27.710 --> 00:33:30.809
You just can't see it because I'm dyslexic and dysgraphic.
721
00:33:30.950 --> 00:33:32.759
And there's a lot of programs that help people out.
722
00:33:32.930 --> 00:33:36.019
What is dysgraphic? Dysgraphic is the order of things. So
723
00:33:36.220 --> 00:33:38.039
even if you were to write down a math problem,
724
00:33:38.059 --> 00:33:41.279
you could get that wrong. Because it's the way that
725
00:33:41.299 --> 00:33:43.359
if you told me numbers right now and I went
726
00:33:43.400 --> 00:33:46.680
to write it down, it's the disconnect between my brain
727
00:33:46.819 --> 00:33:48.940
and the physical part of writing it down.
728
00:33:49.539 --> 00:33:51.079
That could be corrected in school.
729
00:33:51.630 --> 00:33:55.269
But when I say I was homeschooled, that's generous. We
730
00:33:55.309 --> 00:33:58.579
weren't even schooled. There was no school. There was no
731
00:33:58.930 --> 00:34:02.259
real curriculum. Even when I got those homeschool tapes, it
732
00:34:02.299 --> 00:34:05.700
was just an excuse to record your show, which also
733
00:34:05.720 --> 00:34:06.559
sounds like a lie.
734
00:34:07.160 --> 00:34:09.940
But that's what that was. You actually proved that. You
735
00:34:09.980 --> 00:34:13.679
showed that to me, which is– you had homeschool tapes
736
00:34:14.099 --> 00:34:15.820
that were supposed to be- There's a.
737
00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:18.789
Heavy Christian slant. They do science with a real wink
738
00:34:18.849 --> 00:34:21.550
and like, oh, we got it. It's such the most
739
00:34:21.630 --> 00:34:24.050
begrudging science you've ever heard in your life.
740
00:34:24.429 --> 00:34:26.949
Photosynthesis is like, yes, this is a theory.
741
00:34:26.969 --> 00:34:31.019
It's taught like how they talk about QAnon and CNN. Yeah, yeah.
742
00:34:31.760 --> 00:34:34.239
So this is what they believe. So they believe the
743
00:34:34.500 --> 00:34:41.630
earth revolves around the sun. Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo. So no school.
744
00:34:41.710 --> 00:34:43.949
I think my two older siblings, there was maybe a
745
00:34:43.969 --> 00:34:46.510
little effort that went into it. My mom would put
746
00:34:46.530 --> 00:34:49.590
down a textbook and say, hey, do that. But by
747
00:34:49.630 --> 00:34:52.260
the time you get five kids in, No, there was
748
00:34:52.300 --> 00:34:54.840
no incentive. And the whole purpose of the religion is
749
00:34:54.880 --> 00:34:56.920
that God's going to end the world in 46 minutes.
750
00:34:57.300 --> 00:34:59.860
So why would you learn what a gerund phrase is?
751
00:35:00.139 --> 00:35:00.820
What's the point?
752
00:35:01.039 --> 00:35:01.820
It's all over.
753
00:35:02.139 --> 00:35:05.199
So yes, eventually I was able to convince my mom
754
00:35:05.239 --> 00:35:08.650
to get us tapes, which is a homeschool program that's
755
00:35:08.690 --> 00:35:14.570
run out of Pensacola, Florida that's Christian. And I did
756
00:35:14.650 --> 00:35:17.630
that so I could get a TV and VCR in
757
00:35:17.690 --> 00:35:19.329
my room and record your show.
758
00:35:19.550 --> 00:35:23.519
Yeah, and you actually showed me I guess they busted you, right?
759
00:35:23.780 --> 00:35:24.199
Oh, yeah.
760
00:35:24.760 --> 00:35:26.420
Oh, yeah. Because I'm a child, so I don't think
761
00:35:26.519 --> 00:35:31.920
about the whole repercussions of recording over the tapes. In
762
00:35:31.960 --> 00:35:35.599
my head, it's just like this giant company. So what
763
00:35:35.619 --> 00:35:37.639
I would do is when your show
would come on,
764
00:35:38.760 --> 00:35:41.139
because we had a signal, no cable, put a tape in.
765
00:35:41.969 --> 00:35:44.349
and press record and turn the TV off and just
766
00:35:44.469 --> 00:35:46.909
hope that I didn't mess it up. And sometimes I did.
767
00:35:46.929 --> 00:35:49.630
And it would just be like Jay Leno would be like,
768
00:35:49.789 --> 00:35:50.769
all right, that's Bush.
769
00:35:51.230 --> 00:35:55.360
And then it would cut out. And I would just, oh.
770
00:35:55.400 --> 00:35:57.980
He actually was doing that for the Pensacola homeschooling. Yeah.
771
00:35:58.119 --> 00:35:58.519
It's $ 30.
772
00:35:58.360 --> 00:35:59.059
It's $ 30 in it.
773
00:35:59.079 --> 00:36:07.260
So I'm like, hey, hello there. I'm like, yeah. So anyway,
774
00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:09.980
they say the earth revolves around the sun. We all
775
00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:10.300
know that.
776
00:36:10.340 --> 00:36:13.440
Wait, that's my new favorite character is QAnon Jay Leno.
777
00:36:13.940 --> 00:36:19.929
Yeah. Hey, I made a book, you know. Celebrity Feet
778
00:36:19.969 --> 00:36:20.489
and Babies.
779
00:36:22.829 --> 00:36:25.090
Uh, so, so then when it was a very hostile
780
00:36:25.159 --> 00:36:28.840
experience watching your show, because when I would watch it back,
781
00:36:29.099 --> 00:36:31.880
I would, uh, I would be hovering over the TV,
782
00:36:32.079 --> 00:36:35.400
never laying down and watching it at a moment's notice.
783
00:36:35.440 --> 00:36:37.699
Cause I shared a room with my, my two brothers
784
00:36:37.820 --> 00:36:41.199
or hole and bus. And, uh, so anytime they came in,
785
00:36:41.219 --> 00:36:43.400
I would have to change it really fast and turn
786
00:36:43.420 --> 00:36:46.489
it off. Like, oh, that tape just ended. So anytime
787
00:36:46.530 --> 00:36:48.429
I'd watch your show, I'd be in a full crouch.
788
00:36:49.880 --> 00:36:52.340
over just hovering at a moment's notice, ready to turn
789
00:36:52.380 --> 00:36:52.739
it off.
790
00:36:52.780 --> 00:36:57.139
So every second meant so much. But you showed me one,
791
00:36:57.219 --> 00:36:59.679
it was really funny because it's this woman and she's
792
00:36:59.739 --> 00:37:02.139
teaching a class, you know, and all of a sudden
793
00:37:02.159 --> 00:37:04.179
you see, and then it's me and I think, I
794
00:37:04.179 --> 00:37:06.300
don't know, 1997. Yeah. Yeah, I think the bit was,
795
00:37:06.320 --> 00:37:07.219
that it cut out was Lincoln. Mm-hmm.
796
00:37:17.130 --> 00:37:19.579
It was like, yeah, dominatrix Lincoln.
797
00:37:19.619 --> 00:37:19.980
But, yeah.
798
00:37:20.440 --> 00:37:24.940
So, yeah, the woman's teaching her begrudging science class. And
799
00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:27.070
she was very impressed by herself. That's another funny thing
800
00:37:27.090 --> 00:37:29.469
that was on the tape is that any time she
801
00:37:29.510 --> 00:37:32.289
would do a very gentle science experiment of, like, just
802
00:37:32.369 --> 00:37:33.349
make vapor in.
803
00:37:33.260 --> 00:37:37.239
Her room, she would always give a face like, Nailed it.
804
00:37:37.420 --> 00:37:40.789
Nailed it. And then- I just dropped Alka-Seltzer into water,
805
00:37:40.809 --> 00:37:43.269
into water, and look what I did.
806
00:37:43.789 --> 00:37:46.449
Yeah, like it was witchcraft. Those tapes were cut out.
807
00:37:46.550 --> 00:37:49.760
And so I sent the tapes back. It's a subscription model.
808
00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:53.619
They sent you tapes, and it was just your show.
809
00:37:53.739 --> 00:37:56.260
And you've got me doing Dominatrix Lincoln.
810
00:37:56.360 --> 00:37:56.860
Yeah.
811
00:37:56.880 --> 00:37:58.239
Cut into this tape.
812
00:37:58.260 --> 00:38:00.460
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
813
00:38:00.780 --> 00:38:02.929
So there's people that say, your show meant a lot
814
00:38:02.969 --> 00:38:05.929
to me. You are, in my head, all of TV.
815
00:38:07.829 --> 00:38:10.210
Bob Saget was the richest person in the world, in
816
00:38:10.250 --> 00:38:12.349
my head, as a kid. He was just passing out
817
00:38:12.349 --> 00:38:15.099
10 grand. That was our ticket out. And then you
818
00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:18.539
were show business. Everything I found out about movies, references
819
00:38:18.579 --> 00:38:21.159
I know today, was through your lens.
820
00:38:21.360 --> 00:38:21.760
Oh, wow.
821
00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:27.110
This really is an impoverished childhood. Who knows the true
822
00:38:27.150 --> 00:38:31.670
meaning of poverty? Poverty means you learn everything from Conan's show.
823
00:38:32.869 --> 00:38:38.269
You know, it's funny because you have one of the
824
00:38:38.309 --> 00:38:42.610
slogans that you bring up. And again, the special explains
825
00:38:42.650 --> 00:38:45.349
it all really well. But you talk in your special
826
00:38:45.389 --> 00:38:49.289
about how crazy beats scary. I'm sort of paraphrasing it
827
00:38:49.369 --> 00:38:51.750
a little bit. No, but that's fair.
828
00:38:52.050 --> 00:38:54.590
And in a real way did come around to forgiveness
829
00:38:54.710 --> 00:38:58.360
just in setting up the show. I think, one, I
830
00:38:58.389 --> 00:39:01.719
can't watch the special. I can't watch any early stuff
831
00:39:01.760 --> 00:39:04.039
because it just seems like someone that's very angry still
832
00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:08.059
lashing out. But in setting up a full one-hour show,
833
00:39:08.099 --> 00:39:11.840
when you gave me that opportunity, I think it was 2019.
834
00:39:11.840 --> 00:39:15.000
From there, just having to write full characters where it's
835
00:39:15.059 --> 00:39:17.519
not just a villain that's being a dick in a
836
00:39:17.579 --> 00:39:18.920
vacuum for no reason.
837
00:39:19.380 --> 00:39:20.380
And you start to write.
838
00:39:20.519 --> 00:39:22.400
And so I started right towards my mom trying to
839
00:39:22.539 --> 00:39:26.250
dig of why these things happened. And then
inadvertently came
840
00:39:26.309 --> 00:39:29.110
around to absolute forgiveness. Where I was like, oh yeah, okay,
841
00:39:29.150 --> 00:39:31.519
I get it. she was going through as I make
842
00:39:31.559 --> 00:39:34.139
my own mistakes as an adult. That's not saying that
843
00:39:34.179 --> 00:39:36.440
what she did was right or anyone should do that
844
00:39:36.519 --> 00:39:41.300
or that was okay. But it is genuine forgiveness came
845
00:39:41.420 --> 00:39:44.449
from selfishly just trying to make a full show.
846
00:39:44.820 --> 00:39:47.809
Yeah. So that was huge.
847
00:39:48.190 --> 00:39:50.260
To answer your first question about how she felt about it,
848
00:39:50.269 --> 00:39:53.510
I was worried about that. So what I did, because
849
00:39:53.630 --> 00:39:56.480
I edited the special, I had control of the footage, is.
850
00:39:57.239 --> 00:39:59.440
I did a personal screening for her.
851
00:39:59.460 --> 00:40:04.389
Because I don't want you to be embarrassed ever. And you,
852
00:40:04.630 --> 00:40:06.309
cause you feel like the whole world's seeing it and
853
00:40:06.349 --> 00:40:10.539
you have no control. So before it ever aired, uh,
854
00:40:10.659 --> 00:40:12.639
I was very busy, but took a day out to
855
00:40:12.679 --> 00:40:15.659
just go see her and explain what this meant to me,
856
00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:18.800
what this story is about. And, uh, and then screened
857
00:40:18.820 --> 00:40:21.940
it for just her and, and she loved it. She
858
00:40:21.980 --> 00:40:22.349
loved it.
859
00:40:22.400 --> 00:40:22.539
Yeah.
860
00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:25.539
It was, it was vindication for her because it's not
861
00:40:25.599 --> 00:40:28.440
someone that's angry and that took just age that took
862
00:40:28.460 --> 00:40:31.340
talking to you. In Denver, I don't know if you remember,
863
00:40:31.380 --> 00:40:35.179
we had a very important conversation that changed a good
864
00:40:35.219 --> 00:40:39.079
portion of my life about just self-worth and selling myself
865
00:40:39.159 --> 00:40:43.869
short on stage as a defense mechanism to be like,
866
00:40:43.929 --> 00:40:45.949
I'll make fun of me before you could ever make
867
00:40:46.010 --> 00:40:47.469
fun of me that way. If you don't like me,
868
00:40:47.650 --> 00:40:49.550
I'm smarter than you because I already said that I'm
869
00:40:49.590 --> 00:40:50.170
a piece of shit.
870
00:40:50.489 --> 00:40:53.010
That was my defense mechanism for a long time, which
871
00:40:53.130 --> 00:40:56.869
is I'll get out in front of everybody and make
872
00:40:56.929 --> 00:40:59.320
fun of me. before you get a chance to, which
873
00:40:59.429 --> 00:41:01.630
is one of the oldest tricks in the book. And
874
00:41:02.489 --> 00:41:04.309
then you get really good at it, and it works.
875
00:41:04.949 --> 00:41:07.650
And that becomes problematic. Because if you get really good
876
00:41:07.769 --> 00:41:10.849
at it, and people like it, and you realize
you
877
00:41:10.869 --> 00:41:13.880
are completely selling yourself short, and eventually kind of just
878
00:41:13.929 --> 00:41:14.920
lying about yourself.
879
00:41:15.340 --> 00:41:18.460
I have never been more embarrassed and more exposed than
880
00:41:18.500 --> 00:41:21.099
that show. So we were doing a show in Denver,
881
00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:24.320
and it was a huge crowd. So when I come out,
882
00:41:24.380 --> 00:41:27.400
I think the opening line that gets a laugh is, oh,
883
00:41:27.480 --> 00:41:29.900
I'm the comedian that you go to the bathroom during.
884
00:41:31.159 --> 00:41:33.519
No one knows who I am. At least like Ron Funches,
885
00:41:33.920 --> 00:41:37.769
Taylor Thomas, these people had specials out. I was completely unknown,
886
00:41:37.849 --> 00:41:40.269
at least to my mind. And it gets a laugh.
887
00:41:40.650 --> 00:41:45.369
But you saw what was behind that of, oh, I
888
00:41:45.389 --> 00:41:46.030
know what you're doing.
889
00:41:46.070 --> 00:41:46.929
It's a defense thing.
890
00:41:47.420 --> 00:41:50.900
And I would have never changed that behavior unless you
891
00:41:50.940 --> 00:41:53.480
said that because it still gets a laugh. So it's like, yeah,
892
00:41:53.539 --> 00:41:57.179
keep it. And I'm protecting myself. It's like the eight
893
00:41:57.239 --> 00:41:59.219
mile thing of like, he would make fun of himself.
894
00:41:59.320 --> 00:42:01.320
So by the time it was the other guy's turn
895
00:42:01.340 --> 00:42:04.059
to rap battle, they had nothing to say about him.
896
00:42:04.199 --> 00:42:06.920
And you did rap battle me backstage, which was awkward.
897
00:42:07.159 --> 00:42:09.380
I kept wanting to challenge everyone on tour to a
898
00:42:09.440 --> 00:42:13.960
rap battle. And it was a mistake because my whole
899
00:42:14.019 --> 00:42:17.920
style is very early 80s, I'm Conan O'Brien and I'm
900
00:42:17.960 --> 00:42:21.550
here to say, I'm the best rapper in the USA.
901
00:42:21.570 --> 00:42:23.469
And then usually it trails out right after that.
902
00:42:24.369 --> 00:42:26.730
Yeah, we'd keep the cadence, but it wouldn't rhyme.
903
00:42:26.769 --> 00:42:29.269
You really struggled what rhymes with models. Yeah.
904
00:42:29.309 --> 00:42:30.949
And we were like, it's bottles, it's bottles.
905
00:42:30.969 --> 00:42:33.510
I struggled with that. And I bought what I thought
906
00:42:33.530 --> 00:42:36.150
was a Kangol cap, but it was just a small
907
00:42:36.230 --> 00:42:41.650
sailor's cap. And that also hurt. That hurt. So I
908
00:42:42.050 --> 00:42:44.349
learned eventually stop challenging people.
909
00:42:44.730 --> 00:42:45.349
Yeah.
910
00:42:45.929 --> 00:42:46.760
To rap paddles.
911
00:42:47.000 --> 00:42:49.300
But that was the first, I think that might have
912
00:42:49.320 --> 00:42:52.170
been the first real conversation I had with you because
913
00:42:52.190 --> 00:42:53.769
I don't know, you probably have people like this in
914
00:42:53.809 --> 00:42:55.980
your life. If you grow up watching someone and you
915
00:42:56.019 --> 00:42:58.639
are the only one, I think I'd also secretly record
916
00:42:58.659 --> 00:43:00.519
the OC because they did sex on the show.
917
00:43:00.539 --> 00:43:03.340
And I was like, ooh, my chemicals. And I wasn't
918
00:43:03.440 --> 00:43:07.829
getting sex from your show. What are you talking about?
919
00:43:07.869 --> 00:43:12.769
My show was liquid sex. Growling at Heather Graham.
920
00:43:12.849 --> 00:43:15.409
I'm like, even as a homeschooled religious kid, I was like,
921
00:43:15.469 --> 00:43:21.190
that's lame. Yeah, so you have these people in your
922
00:43:21.269 --> 00:43:25.789
head that are just TV people. They carry so much
923
00:43:25.929 --> 00:43:30.469
weight in your head. So even doing that rooftop show,
924
00:43:30.489 --> 00:43:33.320
maybe it was sun poisoning, being at the top of
925
00:43:33.360 --> 00:43:36.050
that roof, but I couldn't hear my own voice. It
926
00:43:36.090 --> 00:43:38.340
was just like shell shock, like the scene in Saving
927
00:43:38.380 --> 00:43:41.199
Private Ryan where he stands up and he's just looking around.
928
00:43:41.260 --> 00:43:44.980
It's chaos. You meant so much to me in my life.
929
00:43:45.260 --> 00:43:46.420
I went up on that roof, and I was on
930
00:43:46.440 --> 00:43:48.760
that roof for 20 minutes. I had to be taken
931
00:43:48.820 --> 00:43:52.179
to the hospital immediately. Yeah. Because I burst into flames.
932
00:43:52.219 --> 00:43:54.929
I don't know. You guys were up there the whole time.
933
00:43:54.949 --> 00:43:55.239
The whole time.
934
00:43:55.320 --> 00:43:57.590
I think it was illegal for us to put you
935
00:43:57.639 --> 00:43:58.230
on that roof.
936
00:43:58.550 --> 00:43:59.070
Oh, yeah.
937
00:43:59.150 --> 00:44:02.389
There was so many soft spots on that roof. I'm sorry.
938
00:44:02.409 --> 00:44:04.650
There's so many things that gave. It was like stepping
939
00:44:04.690 --> 00:44:05.550
on a loaf of bread.
940
00:44:05.570 --> 00:44:06.630
Yeah. Fire.
941
00:44:06.809 --> 00:44:07.070
Fire.
942
00:44:08.170 --> 00:44:11.769
We were told initially that you might, it's possible, don't
943
00:44:11.789 --> 00:44:12.469
get your hopes up.
944
00:44:12.530 --> 00:44:14.230
It's the pre-show. He's got a lot to do.
945
00:44:14.610 --> 00:44:17.179
It's possible he might come up for two minutes just
946
00:44:17.199 --> 00:44:20.039
to solidify like, hey, my name's on this thing and
947
00:44:20.059 --> 00:44:21.880
you guys are going to keep throwing to clips. But
948
00:44:22.500 --> 00:44:25.039
we were blown away and I had so much trouble
949
00:44:25.099 --> 00:44:28.039
sleeping that each night was just so exciting because you
950
00:44:28.059 --> 00:44:29.760
would stay up there for 20 minutes.
951
00:44:29.980 --> 00:44:33.260
It was fun. But, you know, you've worked your ass
952
00:44:33.360 --> 00:44:37.170
off for years.
You've worked really hard. You're very talented,
953
00:44:37.329 --> 00:44:41.059
but I've always said to people, talent is less interesting
954
00:44:41.099 --> 00:44:43.840
to me. There's plenty of people that have talent. It's
955
00:44:43.860 --> 00:44:46.460
what do you do with it? And you have worked
956
00:44:46.559 --> 00:44:49.469
very hard and you're a person, a real character. And
957
00:44:50.050 --> 00:44:52.730
so you have made this happen and then you've told
958
00:44:52.750 --> 00:44:55.269
your story. And I think what you're reacting to right
959
00:44:55.309 --> 00:44:57.630
now is one of the most magical things in life
960
00:44:57.750 --> 00:45:01.750
is talking about something that was painful for you and
961
00:45:01.769 --> 00:45:03.639
it brings a room full of people a lot of
962
00:45:03.679 --> 00:45:09.840
joy and happiness. they laugh and they applaud and you
963
00:45:09.940 --> 00:45:13.449
feel better. And then someone hands you a check. You're like,
964
00:45:13.570 --> 00:45:17.469
what the, how does, what is this? What is this? Yeah.
965
00:45:17.510 --> 00:45:20.090
This was never, I mean, this wasn't even really the plan.
966
00:45:20.110 --> 00:45:23.940
I don't know this. I had to do this. This
967
00:45:23.980 --> 00:45:25.739
is a, I think a lot of people didn't realize
968
00:45:25.760 --> 00:45:28.289
that most people who do comedy, it's a compulsion. They
969
00:45:28.349 --> 00:45:29.909
have to do it. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
970
00:45:29.969 --> 00:45:32.190
No, in my head, I would work at, I was like,
971
00:45:32.250 --> 00:45:33.929
I kind of like the industry. So I'd probably be
972
00:45:33.969 --> 00:45:37.090
a PA, be an office PA. And then at night,
973
00:45:37.130 --> 00:45:39.429
I would do stand-up. Or if it was Taco Bell,
974
00:45:39.449 --> 00:45:41.269
then I would do stand-up at night. But the plan
975
00:45:41.289 --> 00:45:44.010
was never like, this is what I'm going to monetize.
976
00:45:44.030 --> 00:45:46.809
This is going to be a job. And so the
977
00:45:46.829 --> 00:45:48.550
whole special is trying to get to that point. And
978
00:45:48.570 --> 00:45:51.889
the whole special is supposed to be a grift, meaning
979
00:45:52.050 --> 00:45:54.090
the true way to show forgiveness to my mom.
980
00:45:55.079 --> 00:45:57.079
Is not just say I forgive you.
981
00:45:57.139 --> 00:45:58.599
It's like, oh, I'm going to use all the tools
982
00:45:58.619 --> 00:46:03.460
that you used and essentially grift people into connecting with
983
00:46:03.480 --> 00:46:05.489
the special. I say it's not a TED Talk, and
984
00:46:05.510 --> 00:46:09.789
then the very next sentence, pull out a PowerPoint remote
985
00:46:09.929 --> 00:46:13.590
and start talking about essentially what would be in a
986
00:46:13.789 --> 00:46:14.309
TED Talk.
987
00:46:14.369 --> 00:46:15.650
And that's something I learned from her.
988
00:46:15.710 --> 00:46:19.190
You say the grift before you do it. So we
989
00:46:19.230 --> 00:46:22.340
would call into radio stations around the holidays and lie
990
00:46:22.380 --> 00:46:24.860
and say that our house burned down So we could
991
00:46:24.900 --> 00:46:25.619
get gifts.
992
00:46:25.760 --> 00:46:26.599
Oh, my God.
993
00:46:26.679 --> 00:46:27.119
I know.
994
00:46:28.539 --> 00:46:29.679
So she would say that.
995
00:46:29.699 --> 00:46:31.280
She's like, I know a lot of people take advantage
996
00:46:31.300 --> 00:46:35.000
of you on these shows, and it's not the truth.
997
00:46:35.139 --> 00:46:37.130
I just want to say that we just support your show,
998
00:46:37.550 --> 00:46:40.929
and you've gotten us through a really tough time because
999
00:46:40.949 --> 00:46:42.070
the house just burned down.
1000
00:46:42.090 --> 00:46:44.769
And, yeah, so that's something I learned from her. So
1001
00:46:44.869 --> 00:46:45.949
all the tools.
1002
00:46:45.750 --> 00:46:49.010
In here and just how crafty she is with people,
1003
00:46:49.090 --> 00:46:55.159
how charming in that go-getter attitude, all the set. is
1004
00:46:55.400 --> 00:46:58.389
trash from the streets of Los Angeles, that that's how
1005
00:46:58.449 --> 00:47:01.309
we survived, is we would go through people's garbage for stuff.
1006
00:47:02.329 --> 00:47:05.969
And yeah, it was insane how much I used of her,
1007
00:47:06.329 --> 00:47:07.389
of like, well, thank.
1008
00:47:07.210 --> 00:47:11.170
You for these tools. Yeah, yeah. Well, I think one
1009
00:47:11.210 --> 00:47:15.599
of the things that really comes through is how cathartic
1010
00:47:15.940 --> 00:47:20.679
it is, how this is a labor of love. And
1011
00:47:21.519 --> 00:47:25.219
it's so funny- there are so many stories from your
1012
00:47:25.360 --> 00:47:29.239
romantic misadventures and from, you know, all kinds of stuff.
1013
00:47:29.260 --> 00:47:33.099
It's not that, that, but I can tell that it's healing.
1014
00:47:33.380 --> 00:47:36.619
It's to me, that's the ultimate magic of comedy is
1015
00:47:36.699 --> 00:47:39.639
that every now and then it's healing the people who
1016
00:47:39.659 --> 00:47:42.079
are hearing it, but it's also healing the person who's
1017
00:47:42.119 --> 00:47:45.019
performing it. Everybody wins. It's one of the few times
1018
00:47:45.059 --> 00:47:49.000
in nature, like everything in physics, nature always tells you
1019
00:47:49.059 --> 00:47:52.469
like something has to lose, you know, to, to, For
1020
00:47:52.570 --> 00:47:54.670
energy to be over here, you have to lose energy
1021
00:47:54.730 --> 00:47:57.800
over there. And I think the one thing that disproves
1022
00:47:57.840 --> 00:48:02.579
that to me, the one exception in nature is when
1023
00:48:02.619 --> 00:48:05.519
someone's getting real joy out of performing comedy and making
1024
00:48:05.559 --> 00:48:06.579
other people laugh too.
1025
00:48:06.599 --> 00:48:09.599
Do you think there's any danger to that though, like
1026
00:48:09.639 -->
00:48:11.980
a healthy way? I think the lockdown was very hard
1027
00:48:12.019 --> 00:48:13.639
and that I didn't have the outlet.
1028
00:48:13.730 --> 00:48:13.969
Right.
1029
00:48:14.070 --> 00:48:17.170
I do get scared sometimes that if that went away,
1030
00:48:17.230 --> 00:48:20.239
I wouldn't. I feel like it's payment for the past
1031
00:48:20.300 --> 00:48:22.119
of like all those things happened because I was able
1032
00:48:22.159 --> 00:48:23.719
to transmute it into this.
1033
00:48:23.860 --> 00:48:24.420
Right, right.
1034
00:48:24.679 --> 00:48:27.860
But yeah, I can't help but have it in the
1035
00:48:27.940 --> 00:48:30.460
back of my mind of wondering if that is in
1036
00:48:30.500 --> 00:48:32.360
fact actually a healthy thing.
1037
00:48:32.719 --> 00:48:35.900
I would leave that to people listening because I have
1038
00:48:35.920 --> 00:48:39.820
the worst perspective on it. And I do know that
1039
00:48:40.539 --> 00:48:45.300
I've been in a funk lately and it's because I'm
1040
00:48:45.340 --> 00:48:48.110
between projects and I mean, someone the other day, I
1041
00:48:48.110 --> 00:48:51.510
was talking to Paula Davis, who has been with me
1042
00:48:51.590 --> 00:48:54.429
for 28 years. I was talking to her yesterday and
1043
00:48:54.469 --> 00:48:55.889
she said, how are you doing? Because I've been talking
1044
00:48:55.909 --> 00:48:57.139
to her lately. And I said, yeah, I'm still on
1045
00:48:57.159 --> 00:48:59.280
a funk. And she said, you know, you haven't been
1046
00:48:59.300 --> 00:49:01.639
in front of an audience in a long time. And
1047
00:49:01.659 --> 00:49:04.960
you were in front of audiences every day, five days
1048
00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:07.940
a week for 28 years. And now you're not. And
1049
00:49:07.960 --> 00:49:14.219
I went, oh, yeah. Yeah. I didn't realize. And, you know,
1050
00:49:14.260 --> 00:49:18.659
people sometimes– misunderstand and think I'm a smart person. And
1051
00:49:18.679 --> 00:49:20.889
in many ways, I'm not a smart person.– I will
1052
00:49:20.989 --> 00:49:23.269
miss the most obvious thing in the world. And I
1053
00:49:23.329 --> 00:49:27.699
just– I thought, yeah, I got to cope between COVID
1054
00:49:27.880 --> 00:49:33.599
and between my particular situation of being between gigs that
1055
00:49:33.639 --> 00:49:38.690
involve an audience. Yeah. It is– that's probably– Something that
1056
00:49:38.769 --> 00:49:42.309
was helping me a lot, that was medicine for me,
1057
00:49:42.389 --> 00:49:44.610
was to get out in front of people. And even
1058
00:49:44.650 --> 00:49:46.530
before the show started, if I was just screwing around
1059
00:49:46.550 --> 00:49:48.590
with the audience or in the commercial break, screwing around
1060
00:49:48.610 --> 00:49:52.849
with the audience, that was just a salve. It's a reset.
1061
00:49:52.869 --> 00:49:55.429
You could do it with the flu because, yeah, you
1062
00:49:55.550 --> 00:49:56.349
instantly feel better.
1063
00:49:56.389 --> 00:49:59.130
I mean, much to Kuntu's ire, I was doing shows
1064
00:49:59.429 --> 00:50:02.769
even in the lockdown just because I knew I needed
1065
00:50:02.829 --> 00:50:06.429
that to survive. Even bad situations where you're doing an
1066
00:50:06.510 --> 00:50:09.780
outdoor show For cars, you're performing for a bunch of
1067
00:50:09.800 --> 00:50:13.019
Kia Sorentos. Even that was just like that feeling is
1068
00:50:13.239 --> 00:50:16.059
a reset and it makes everything else that feels so
1069
00:50:16.139 --> 00:50:18.730
unbearable sometimes just a little bit tolerable.
1070
00:50:18.849 --> 00:50:20.809
I have to talk to so many comedians that during
1071
00:50:20.849 --> 00:50:24.530
lockdown performed for drive-in shows where people, and they said
1072
00:50:24.550 --> 00:50:27.449
the audience would flash their lights and hit their horns
1073
00:50:27.489 --> 00:50:30.530
instead of applause. And I thought that is so bizarre,
1074
00:50:30.570 --> 00:50:33.159
but I would, and I did not have that experience.
1075
00:50:33.300 --> 00:50:36.420
I was doing shows over Zoom, but I was thinking, wow.
1076
00:50:37.070 --> 00:50:40.849
I could see that almost feeling as good, that a
1077
00:50:40.889 --> 00:50:42.849
car horn is going off. I did a lot of them.
1078
00:50:42.869 --> 00:50:44.320
It's something, yeah.
1079
00:50:44.449 --> 00:50:48.239
And I could say no, because you've only heard the
1080
00:50:48.300 --> 00:50:51.039
honk in the context of fuck you, idiot, move.
1081
00:50:51.360 --> 00:50:52.119
Oh, I see.
1082
00:50:52.239 --> 00:50:54.460
And it's hard to reprogram your brain to say a
1083
00:50:54.579 --> 00:50:56.539
warning sound. It's like, oh, you know what, I get
1084
00:50:56.619 --> 00:50:58.760
off on. I can't come unless I hear an Amber Alert.
1085
00:50:59.360 --> 00:51:03.920
You can't put that warning sound.
1086
00:51:04.260 --> 00:51:09.269
Jesus Christ. A little too much about me. But it
1087
00:51:09.329 --> 00:51:11.949
never felt the same. You're never gonna, yeah, you can't,
1088
00:51:14.090 --> 00:51:16.829
you can't replace the joyous sound of laughter with the
1089
00:51:16.889 --> 00:51:18.929
sound that you associate with, I just took a left
1090
00:51:19.019 --> 00:51:23.519
on red. Yeah. And almost killed somebody. And now I'm
1091
00:51:23.539 --> 00:51:24.860
gonna reprogram my brain.
1092
00:51:24.880 --> 00:51:27.340
Because it's such a conscious choice and laughter is supposed
1093
00:51:27.380 --> 00:51:28.739
to be the spontaneous thing.
1094
00:51:28.760 --> 00:51:29.000
Right.
1095
00:51:29.059 --> 00:51:31.250
Oh, you trick the chemicals in this person's brain and
1096
00:51:31.269 --> 00:51:32.010
you surprise them.
1097
00:51:32.030 --> 00:51:33.030
So they go, hee-hee, ha-ha.
1098
00:51:33.500 --> 00:51:36.210
And the honk is too– I don't know. It's too formal.
1099
00:51:36.309 --> 00:51:40.909
Well, I loved your special and it's funny. I feel
1100
00:51:40.949 --> 00:51:44.289
like either a much, much, much older brother or a
1101
00:51:44.750 --> 00:51:47.179
pseudo dad figure or something. But I take a lot
1102
00:51:47.199 --> 00:51:50.659
of pride in you as a person and an artist.
1103
00:51:50.780 --> 00:51:55.059
And Trash White is on HBO Max right now. And
1104
00:51:55.280 --> 00:51:58.670
as you say, the response has been really tremendous. And
1105
00:51:58.690 --> 00:52:02.760
I like it. My favorite story is nice thing happens
1106
00:52:02.820 --> 00:52:06.199
to nice person who deserves it. And so thank you
1107
00:52:06.340 --> 00:52:10.889
for being a really good friend and for... letting me
1108
00:52:10.929 --> 00:52:15.099
be associated with you, because. Yeah, I mean, I would say.
1109
00:52:15.289 --> 00:52:17.909
I think you're doing me more good than I'm doing you.
1110
00:52:18.369 --> 00:52:19.969
Everything you said, I take as fact.
1111
00:52:20.030 --> 00:52:22.869
I mean, you, I would say a father figure in
1112
00:52:22.909 --> 00:52:25.190
my life, which is, I find.
1113
00:52:25.010 --> 00:52:27.269
That hard to admit. Can't we go with older brother?
1114
00:52:27.289 --> 00:52:30.389
I think grandpa. No, older brother, it's not that. No,
1115
00:52:30.429 --> 00:52:32.909
I'm just a brother. Grandpa. No, no, no, I am
1116
00:52:33.030 --> 00:52:36.159
a brother that just happens to be 55 years older
1117
00:52:36.199 --> 00:52:40.960
than you. Yeah, but different marriage. No, no, no, that's
1118
00:52:41.000 --> 00:52:45.300
the sick thing. Same, same. Big gap, big gap in
1119
00:52:45.340 --> 00:52:49.079
her life. You were born when mom was 78 through
1120
00:52:49.099 --> 00:52:50.920
a series of weird experiments.
1121
00:52:51.400 --> 00:52:53.840
But when I think about all the times that I
1122
00:52:53.860 --> 00:52:56.659
got lucky, a lot of them had to do with you.
1123
00:52:57.380 --> 00:52:59.179
And even when I was a kid and we were
1124
00:52:59.219 --> 00:53:01.340
going through the worst shit that I can't even say
1125
00:53:01.380 --> 00:53:04.239
on that special, watching your show and how much work
1126
00:53:04.280 --> 00:53:08.170
you put into that and your humor, it made it
1127
00:53:08.210 --> 00:53:08.989
a lot easier.
1128
00:53:09.110 --> 00:53:15.119
So thank you for that. We both win. And thank you, Moses.
1129
00:53:15.460 --> 00:53:18.119
And I look forward to hanging out with you probably
1130
00:53:18.199 --> 00:53:19.360
sometime in the next three days.
1131
00:53:19.920 --> 00:53:20.239
Yeah.
1132
00:53:20.500 --> 00:53:23.019
You're not going to- No, no, no, absolutely. Yeah, we're
1133
00:53:23.099 --> 00:53:25.800
circling different projects, but yeah. No, no, I'm going to
1134
00:53:25.820 --> 00:53:26.579
show up. Okay.
1135
00:53:26.940 --> 00:53:27.260
All right.
1136
00:53:27.320 --> 00:53:29.599
I'm going to show it when you guys least want
1137
00:53:29.639 --> 00:53:32.059
to see me. I tend to do that.
1138
00:53:33.219 --> 00:53:36.840
With TUI, there's more choice than you think. Beach days
1139
00:53:37.000 --> 00:53:37.760
or a city break.
1140
00:53:38.159 --> 00:53:39.070
Weekend in Rome?
1141
00:53:39.090 --> 00:53:39.650
Booked.
1142
00:53:40.090 --> 00:53:41.469
Fly from your local airport?
1143
00:53:41.750 --> 00:53:42.309
Of course.
1144
00:53:42.769 --> 00:53:44.710
Just a hotel? Got them too.
1145
00:53:45.150 --> 00:53:45.889
Number of nights?
1146
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Take your pick.
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1148
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TUI. What's the best way to pay you back? ZipPay. ZipPay?
1149
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Yeah, in your banking app.
1150
00:53:56.710 --> 00:53:57.610
We're not with the same bank.
1151
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Doesn't matter whether you're with AIB, Bank of Ireland or PTSB,
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Ireland and Permanent TSB PLC, Trading as PTSB are regulated
1156
00:54:11.949 --> 00:54:12.820
by the Central Bank of Ireland.
1157
00:54:13.920 --> 00:54:15.800
Dad, what's the secret to success?
1158
00:54:16.239 --> 00:54:19.719
Well, for a business like ours, it's all about Vision,
1159
00:54:20.460 --> 00:54:22.400
hard graft, determination.
1160
00:54:23.119 --> 00:54:25.659
And relying on trusted partners being there when it matters.
1161
00:54:26.500 --> 00:54:29.300
And help from the family, yeah? Well, you didn't let
1162
00:54:29.320 --> 00:54:33.329
me finish. You've the confidence to build your business. Our
1163
00:54:33.389 --> 00:54:36.690
dedicated teams are always here to support you. Search Bank
1164
00:54:36.730 --> 00:54:39.730
of Ireland Business. Bank of Ireland, right with you.
1165
00:54:40.210 --> 00:54:42.769
Bank of Ireland is regulated by the Central Bank of Ireland.
1166
00:54:43.090 --> 00:54:45.469
Bank of Ireland.
1167
00:54:49.809 --> 00:54:51.909
I do have Christmas presents for you guys that are
1168
00:54:51.949 --> 00:54:52.750
related to the show.
1169
00:54:53.210 --> 00:54:55.250
What? What do you mean?
1170
00:54:55.309 --> 00:54:55.590
Really?
1171
00:54:55.610 --> 00:54:56.409
Yeah, hold on one second.
1172
00:54:56.429 --> 00:54:56.929
Let me drop them off.
1173
00:54:57.329 --> 00:54:58.010
Oh, okay.
1174
00:54:58.150 --> 00:55:00.769
Should we talk while Sam's getting these? Or should we wait?
1175
00:55:00.829 --> 00:55:03.869
Our engineer, Sam, just alerted us that he had presents
1176
00:55:03.909 --> 00:55:04.289
for us.
1177
00:55:04.469 --> 00:55:07.150
By the way, when this airs, it'll probably be mid
1178
00:55:07.210 --> 00:55:08.030
to late January.
1179
00:55:08.070 --> 00:55:09.179
Yes, they're from me.
1180
00:55:09.510 --> 00:55:13.099
Matt, I will mail you yours. I got an ad
1181
00:55:13.119 --> 00:55:16.019
around Christmas time from a store on Etsy that I'd
1182
00:55:16.099 --> 00:55:18.300
used before, and the email made me laugh so hard.
1183
00:55:18.360 --> 00:55:21.440
It said- Do you have a beautiful name? Have it
1184
00:55:21.480 --> 00:55:24.000
engraved on an ornament, which made me laugh because it
1185
00:55:24.039 --> 00:55:26.860
implied I would have my own name made on an
1186
00:55:26.960 --> 00:55:29.420
ornament like a psychopath. It didn't say like, does a
1187
00:55:29.480 --> 00:55:32.219
loved one have a beautiful name? So it made me laugh.
1188
00:55:32.280 --> 00:55:34.159
And then I thought of the most beautiful name I
1189
00:55:34.199 --> 00:55:36.739
could think of. And I had these made. Merry Christmas, guys.
1190
00:55:36.920 --> 00:55:41.949
Hey. Oh, that's so nice. Katakai. Oh, look at that.
1191
00:55:41.969 --> 00:55:42.849
That's beautiful.
1192
00:55:42.869 --> 00:55:46.730
I think they're supposed to be baby names. Oh, that's nice. Beautiful. Katakai.
1193
00:55:47.199 --> 00:55:49.659
Well, I haven't mentioned this, but we named our daughter Katakai.
1194
00:55:50.800 --> 00:55:55.230
Katakai. As you made her? Katakai, as God made her.
1195
00:55:55.269 --> 00:55:59.230
This is so cool. It's really cool. Katakai. Thank you, Sam.
1196
00:55:59.510 --> 00:56:02.269
That's really pretty. Sorry, it's mid-January. Yeah.
1197
00:56:02.409 --> 00:56:02.610
I know.
1198
00:56:02.630 --> 00:56:04.349
I still, I have to.
1199
00:56:04.369 --> 00:56:04.789
You know what?
1200
00:56:04.949 --> 00:56:08.909
There's no, there's really no reason why a Christmas gift
1201
00:56:09.789 --> 00:56:11.269
needs to be given at Christmas.
1202
00:56:11.510 --> 00:56:12.389
Armenian Christmas.
1203
00:56:13.050 --> 00:56:13.250
Yeah.
1204
00:56:13.329 --> 00:56:17.440
Even Armenian Christmas. When is Armenian Christmas? It was January 6th. Yeah.
1205
00:56:17.659 --> 00:56:20.380
Is that just, why? Are they just being difficult? It's
1206
00:56:20.420 --> 00:56:22.500
the Orthodox Christmas. What do you mean, are we just
1207
00:56:22.519 --> 00:56:24.559
being difficult? Just have it on the, how hard is
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it to move it to the 25th? A lot of
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people celebrate it on January 6th.
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You can't say, oh, are you, does an entire culture
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celebrate on a different day just to be difficult?
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No.
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Don't be ridiculous. I realize that could come across as insensitive.
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Yeah.
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You think? I just think, how hard would it be
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to just slide it? It's a couple of days. Not us,
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--> 00:56:47.309
we do it on the 26th. Why can't you push
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it to January 6th? Because everyone does it on the 25th. Yeah,
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but just push it. Oh, I'm the Irish. The Irish
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like to have it on March 9th. And the tree
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has to be upside down. And it has to be
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shooting Guinness out the bottom of it. Yeah.
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Well, this is a good time to say Merry Christmas,
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you two.
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Oh, for God's sake. What is it now? It's late January. No,
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we're not. I work so hard to make this an
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evergreen show to not have it be date specific. Excuse me?
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What'd you say?
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Like a Christmas tree?
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Evergreen?
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I like these to be always fresh. People can hear
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them at any time. Why can't people hear them and
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be like, oh, they recorded this around Christmas? Because we didn't.
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Why is that? That's okay. I want it to constantly
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be a mystery. I want my movements and motions to
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be a mystery.
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Come on.
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I want people to never know where I am. I'm
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like Saddam Hussein. I've got doubles out there, triples. I
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want people to never know what's Conan up to. I
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don't like it when we're specific about when we're recording
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or where we're recording. You're the most easily recognizable person
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I know.
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Like you're not 34 on January 11th. Conan O'Brien needs
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a friend with Conan O'Brien, Sonam of Session and Matt
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Take it away, Jimmy.
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