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And I feel confused 22 00:00:59.880 --> 00:01:01.950 about being Conan O'Brien's friend. 23 00:01:04.950 --> 00:01:07.409 Fall is here, hear the yell. 24 00:01:07.510 --> 00:01:09.989 Back to school, ring the bell. 25 00:01:10.090 --> 00:01:12.269 Brand new shoes, walkin' loose. 26 00:01:12.390 --> 00:01:14.790 Climb the fence, books and pens. 27 00:01:15.230 --> 00:01:18.109 I can tell that we are gonna be friends. 28 00:01:24.159 --> 00:01:27.659 Hey, welcome to Conan O'Brien Needs a Friend. I'm Conan O'Brien. 29 00:01:28.040 --> 00:01:30.159 I guess that part was obvious. Not many people have 30 00:01:30.459 --> 00:01:35.439 my deep bass voice. I'm joined by my assistant, Sona Mocessian. 31 00:01:35.459 --> 00:01:36.040 How are you, Sona? 32 00:01:36.239 --> 00:01:37.079 I'm doing great. 33 00:01:37.700 --> 00:01:37.900 Are you? 34 00:01:38.549 --> 00:01:38.950 Yeah. 35 00:01:39.150 --> 00:01:40.790 Why do you have your fingers up at your mouth? 36 00:01:40.950 --> 00:01:41.269 I don't know. 37 00:01:41.310 --> 00:01:43.870 I was biting my nails because I'm a nail biter. 38 00:01:43.890 --> 00:01:45.409 Are you a nail biter? I am, yeah. 39 00:01:45.430 --> 00:01:46.010 It sucks. 40 00:01:46.349 --> 00:01:48.629 You know, when we were kids and we would suck 41 00:01:48.670 --> 00:01:50.989 our thumb and our mom wanted us to stop, she 42 00:01:51.030 --> 00:01:54.219 took that clear stuff that you strengthen your fingernails with, 43 00:01:54.530 --> 00:01:58.250 that varnish, and she put it on our thumbs. Oh, really? 44 00:01:58.359 --> 00:02:01.780 But then the problem is that reflexively my thumb would 45 00:02:01.799 --> 00:02:03.920 go into my mouth at night and then I would 46 00:02:03.959 --> 00:02:05.959 wake up with all of this. Oh. 47 00:02:06.060 --> 00:02:06.359 Yeah. 48 00:02:06.719 --> 00:02:08.699 But here's the kicker to the story. I was 24 49 00:02:08.699 --> 00:02:11.159 at the time. Oh, man. 50 00:02:12.080 --> 00:02:13.620 I am not surprised. 51 00:02:13.780 --> 00:02:16.280 Yeah, she did the right thing. And I was sleeping 52 00:02:16.319 --> 00:02:20.250 in a giant crib. But that was more of a 53 00:02:20.349 --> 00:02:23.590 sexual thing for me. Matt Gourley is here. Matt, how 54 00:02:23.629 --> 00:02:26.530 are you? Oh, better now that I've heard all that. 55 00:02:28.069 --> 00:02:31.000 We all have our different fantasies, and mine is to 56 00:02:31.039 --> 00:02:34.719 be a six-foot, four-inch Irish baby. Mission accomplished. 57 00:02:34.780 --> 00:02:34.939 I did. 58 00:02:34.960 --> 00:02:35.219 You did it. 59 00:02:35.219 --> 00:02:35.340 Yeah. 60 00:02:37.780 --> 00:02:42.259 And my nurse is Sofia Vergara. Oh my God. What? Yeah, 61 00:02:42.280 --> 00:02:45.069 she comes in and says, you know. 62 00:02:46.729 --> 00:02:47.389 She's Asian? 63 00:02:48.030 --> 00:02:50.949 I don't know. I didn't, I just went, I don't 64 00:02:50.969 --> 00:02:51.689 know what happened there. 65 00:02:52.699 --> 00:02:52.819 Oh. 66 00:02:52.879 --> 00:02:54.599 She was eating something when she came in the room. 67 00:02:54.719 --> 00:02:57.000 She was eating like some quiche, so her mouth was 68 00:02:57.060 --> 00:02:59.939 a little full. Oh my God. Not a, I carumba? 69 00:02:59.960 --> 00:03:00.759 I don't know what she would say. 70 00:03:00.900 --> 00:03:02.009 Oh my God. 71 00:03:02.479 --> 00:03:03.280 Move on. 72 00:03:03.530 --> 00:03:05.969 Dot org. Whatever it takes. Just move on. 73 00:03:06.069 --> 00:03:08.150 Just introduce what's happening. 74 00:03:08.169 --> 00:03:10.530 I don't know. What is happening? I don't know. I'm 75 00:03:10.550 --> 00:03:12.629 just a guy. I'm just a guy who's trying to 76 00:03:13.349 --> 00:03:15.629 earn a living. One of the hardest ways you can 77 00:03:15.659 --> 00:03:20.560 earn a living with a podcast. Exactly. If I had 78 00:03:20.580 --> 00:03:23.120 a choice between digging a ditch with my bare hands 79 00:03:23.539 --> 00:03:25.539 or doing a podcast, I got to tell you, that'd 80 00:03:25.560 --> 00:03:28.900 be a toss up because this is a very dangerous job. 81 00:03:29.939 --> 00:03:33.539 And there's a lot of physical labor involved moving these 82 00:03:33.719 --> 00:03:37.069 mics around and drinking water. Okay, let's get into it. 83 00:03:39.379

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--> 00:03:40.080 It's stupid. 84 00:03:40.810 --> 00:03:45.949 I am. I am very excited to talk to our 85 00:03:46.189 --> 00:03:52.229 guest today. She is, in my opinion, a brilliant and 86 00:03:52.569 --> 00:03:57.150 brave performer, writer, you name it. She is just a 87 00:03:57.210 --> 00:04:01.909 very impressive person. And I'm thrilled that she's here. She 88 00:04:02.110 --> 00:04:04.930 exploded onto the scene. She'd been around actually doing comedy 89 00:04:04.969 --> 00:04:07.349 for quite a while. But in 2018, she did a 90 00:04:07.349 --> 00:04:11.389 Netflix special called entitled Nanette, and it was a seismic 91 00:04:11.629 --> 00:04:18.069 cultural event, one of the most discussed television happenings of 92 00:04:18.470 --> 00:04:23.459 the year, if not the most discussed. It was absolutely breathtaking. 93 00:04:24.180 --> 00:04:27.839 She is now touring with a new show called Douglas, 94 00:04:28.560 --> 00:04:33.759 and I'm overjoyed that I get a chance to mind 95 00:04:33.839 --> 00:04:42.009 meld with her today. Hannah Gadsby, thank you for being here. 96 00:04:45.829 --> 00:04:46.810 How's it going so far? 97 00:04:47.769 --> 00:04:48.850 It's going well for me. 98 00:04:49.029 --> 00:04:49.230 Cool. 99 00:04:49.490 --> 00:04:53.490 I'm delighted I just met you minutes ago. And I 100 00:04:54.300 --> 00:04:57.220 am delighted. And I don't use the word delighted often. 101 00:04:57.240 --> 00:05:00.959 You've used it several times very quickly. It will soon 102 00:05:01.000 --> 00:05:03.060 be revealed that I don't know many other words. 103 00:05:04.129 --> 00:05:05.350 Delightful. Yeah. 104 00:05:05.860 --> 00:05:09.040 I'm so delighted with you right now. I'm furious. I 105 00:05:09.100 --> 00:05:11.519 am an admirer. I wish I could use a stronger word. 106 00:05:11.540 --> 00:05:15.000 I'm trying to figure out what's a better word than admirer. Desirer? 107 00:05:15.019 --> 00:05:15.379 Stalker. 108 00:05:15.399 --> 00:05:16.579 Desirer, stalker. 109 00:05:17.240 --> 00:05:18.439 Long-time fan, first-time caller? 110 00:05:18.620 --> 00:05:21.220 Exactly. I'm going to get this right. 111 00:05:21.500 --> 00:05:21.660 Yeah. 112 00:05:22.420 --> 00:05:27.660 I am a massive admirer of your work, and I 113 00:05:27.720 --> 00:05:32.720 really was blown away. When I saw Nanette, I know 114 00:05:32.740 --> 00:05:35.069 you hear this from a lot of people, and I 115 00:05:35.110 --> 00:05:36.769 hate to be the person who's saying the same thing 116 00:05:36.790 --> 00:05:38.970 you've heard over and over and over and over again, 117 00:05:39.069 --> 00:05:44.579 but I thought it was brilliant. I thought it was spectacular, 118 00:05:45.279 --> 00:05:45.560 and I. 119 00:05:45.800 --> 00:05:51.250 Watched it, I'm so glad you watched it after all that. 120 00:05:51.870 --> 00:05:56.310 I mean, good Google work. I was just working off 121 00:05:56.350 --> 00:06:00.829 of an article on BuzzFeed. It was a list. But 122 00:06:01.449 --> 00:06:04.949 I felt so many things afterwards. There are maybe 35. 123 00:06:04.949 --> 00:06:07.310 We can't get to all of them. But there are 124 00:06:07.310 --> 00:06:10.689 35 things that you've brought up in your work, in 125 00:06:10.730 --> 00:06:15.050 that performance alone, and just in your comedy that have 126 00:06:15.129 --> 00:06:19.420 got my mind going. And when I found out that 127 00:06:19.439 --> 00:06:21.399 you were willing to come and do the show, I 128 00:06:21.800 --> 00:06:24.459 was so relieved because I thought, I want to talk 129 00:06:24.500 --> 00:06:27.620 to you personally and I want to connect with you 130 00:06:28.000 --> 00:06:31.649 in this way that can only happen in a podcast. 131 00:06:32.430 --> 00:06:34.990 Because if we talked in real life, it wouldn't be 132 00:06:35.050 --> 00:06:36.350 recorded and no one would make money. 133 00:06:36.930 --> 00:06:39.629 And I'd walk away. Yeah. Like I do, like I 134 00:06:39.949 --> 00:06:42.490 have a, this is a good, like, oh, I know 135 00:06:42.550 --> 00:06:45.540 what's happening here. In conversation sometimes I'll go, I think 136 00:06:45.579 --> 00:06:49.189 it's finished. And it hasn't, but it's too late. 137 00:06:49.389 --> 00:06:51.959 So you would have by now just walked away, probably. 138 00:06:51.980 --> 00:06:55.649 Yeah, you do pause. And I wasn't sure, but I 139 00:06:55.689 --> 00:06:58.360 knew because everyone's still sitting and I'm taking my cues. 140 00:06:58.779 --> 00:06:59.379 Okay. Yeah. 141 00:06:59.420 --> 00:06:59.759 Okay. 142 00:07:00.100 --> 00:07:01.959 Because I wasn't done. I do intend to go on. 143 00:07:02.019 --> 00:07:03.259 Yeah. No, it's okay. 144 00:07:04.220 --> 00:07:05.439 Anything I can do to help you. 145 00:07:05.759 --> 00:07:06.920 No, this is all great. 146 00:07:07.120 --> 00:07:07.459 Okay. 147 00:07:07.639 --> 00:07:08.180 I'm tethered. 148 00:07:08.500 --> 00:07:11.110 I'm good. Yes, you are actually. You're wearing a headset 149 00:07:11.170 --> 00:07:13.509 that is tethered to the table, so there's nowhere you 150 00:07:13.529 --> 00:07:16.949 can go. And this is my chance to talk to 151 00:07:16.990 --> 00:07:20.209 you about so many things. I'm going to start with... 152 00:07:20.550 --> 00:07:25.290 self-deprecation in your special Nanette. You sucker us in beautifully 153 00:07:25.529 --> 00:07:29.990 with great, great self-deprecating humor. And then you talk about 154 00:07:30.029 --> 00:07:32.949 the pitfalls of being self-deprecating and some of the problems 155 00:07:33.000 --> 00:07:35.629 with it. And so you gave such a compelling argument 156 00:07:36.100 --> 00:07:40.839 for not doing self-deprecating humor. You made a very compelling 157 00:07:40.899 --> 00:07:42.819 argument for why I should go away and I'm not 158 00:07:42.879 --> 00:07:45.360 even kidding around. And so I wanted to talk to 159 00:07:45.379 --> 00:07:45.800 you about it. 160 00:07:46.439 --> 00:07:50.240

Yeah, I'm finding myself in an interesting position now because 161 00:07:50.750 --> 00:07:53.189 Like part of the reason why self-deprecation was bad for 162 00:07:53.290 --> 00:07:58.290 me was because I exist in a marginalized, several marginalized identities. 163 00:07:59.009 --> 00:08:01.730 But post Nanette, I'm in a, I've got a powerful 164 00:08:01.769 --> 00:08:06.350 platform now. Like I have quite a voice and a platform. 165 00:08:06.490 --> 00:08:11.470 And so now is the time to be self-deprecating. But- 166 00:08:12.050 --> 00:08:17.120 I won't be self-deprecating about those intersections of marginalized identities. 167 00:08:17.139 --> 00:08:20.279 So I'm not going to make fun of my physicality. 168 00:08:20.300 --> 00:08:23.199 I'm not going to make fun about my gender and 169 00:08:23.220 --> 00:08:26.379 my sexuality. But just being generally hopeless, fine. 170 00:08:28.759 --> 00:08:29.889 So that's still on the table? 171 00:08:30.050 --> 00:08:33.429 I think so, yeah. Because that's universal. We're all idiots. 172 00:08:35.409 --> 00:08:38.610 I'm so glad you said that because over the years, 173 00:08:39.129 --> 00:08:43.500 many people after my show became established, I think to 174 00:08:43.519 --> 00:08:46.019 many people, they would look at me and they would think, well, 175 00:08:46.039 --> 00:08:50.299 that's hollow. He's being self-deprecating, but he's a white man 176 00:08:50.340 --> 00:08:56.389 in America with a television show. That's a minority. There 177 00:08:56.470 --> 00:09:01.029 aren't enough of us. And I thought my self-deprecation went 178 00:09:01.049 --> 00:09:04.379 onto my hard drive at a very young age. When 179 00:09:04.419 --> 00:09:06.080 I was none of the things that I am now. 180 00:09:06.879 --> 00:09:08.759 And I was anxious. 181 00:09:08.779 --> 00:09:09.809 You're not always white. 182 00:09:14.990 --> 00:09:17.169 Well, if you want to get into it, no. No, 183 00:09:17.210 --> 00:09:18.230 I was not always white. 184 00:09:18.409 --> 00:09:19.110 You've changed. 185 00:09:19.250 --> 00:09:22.070 Yes, I have changed. But why did I go for 186 00:09:22.149 --> 00:09:26.019 this shade of white? It's so silly. It's a real commitment. 187 00:09:26.700 --> 00:09:28.740 I could have gone for an off-white. I mean, there's 188 00:09:28.759 --> 00:09:32.539 so many ways I could have gone. An ecru. No 189 00:09:32.580 --> 00:09:33.399 one uses that word enough. 190 00:09:34.440 --> 00:09:35.059 It's not going to help. 191 00:09:35.259 --> 00:09:35.899 It's not going to help me? 192 00:09:36.399 --> 00:09:38.500 No, not just the word. No one's going to hear 193 00:09:38.539 --> 00:09:42.340 that and go, must slip that into my conversation. 194 00:09:42.919 --> 00:09:44.879 Yes, they will. Someone out there is writing down ECRU 195 00:09:44.919 --> 00:09:45.259 right now. 196 00:09:45.299 --> 00:09:46.450 How do you spell it? 197 00:09:46.519 --> 00:09:49.269 I think it's E-C-R-U. Cool. 198 00:09:49.289 --> 00:09:51.029 Just to help the person who's writing it down. 199 00:09:51.129 --> 00:09:52.669 Okay. Well, I was in the midst of telling you 200 00:09:52.690 --> 00:09:54.710 about my childhood pain and torment, and you got us 201 00:09:54.769 --> 00:09:58.789 off on the spelling of ECRU, and now I'm less 202 00:09:58.830 --> 00:10:00.779 than delighted because that's still the only word I know. 203 00:10:00.799 --> 00:10:01.879 Happy to help. Happy to help. 204 00:10:03.120 --> 00:10:06.389 Tell me about the pain of your childhood. 205 00:10:06.409 --> 00:10:11.210 I don't know. I felt when I was much, much 206 00:10:11.289 --> 00:10:15.309 younger that anxiety and lots of just negative feelings that 207 00:10:15.330 --> 00:10:18.429 I think a lot of young people feel. And I 208 00:10:19.080 --> 00:10:21.720 downloaded all that into my comedy and then it never changed. 209 00:10:21.909 --> 00:10:24.740 And so... It's a reflex. It's a reflex and it's 210 00:10:24.799 --> 00:10:28.320 there and it's a little bit my approach to the world. 211 00:10:28.639 --> 00:10:30.759 And I have never minded that that was my approach 212 00:10:30.779 --> 00:10:35.860 to the world, but I have often thought, especially after 213 00:10:35.899 --> 00:10:39.139 seeing your special, it made me think a lot about 214 00:10:39.220 --> 00:10:44.289 ways in which self-deprecating humor can stunt what it can 215 00:10:44.330 --> 00:10:47.889 stunt you. It can freeze you in that moment of 216 00:10:48.129 --> 00:10:52.870 powerlessness and anxiety and reinforce it over and over and 217 00:10:52.950 --> 00:10:55.190 over again. And I watched it and I thought, I 218 00:10:55.210 --> 00:10:55.870 believe you're right. 219 00:10:56.269 --> 00:10:59.610 Yeah. Well, it's always that, um, that conversation. It's like, Oh, 220 00:10:59.789 --> 00:11:03.240 all comedians are depressed. And it's like, yeah, because a 221 00:11:03.340 --> 00:11:06.419 lot of, a lot of comedians work with self-deprecation and 222 00:11:06.480 --> 00:11:10.299 it's that, you know, there's an investment in being a 223 00:11:10.340 --> 00:11:14.200 bit hopeless. There's an investment in being, you know, you're 224 00:11:14.340 --> 00:11:16.919 not going to make many people laugh if you're high status. 225 00:11:16.980 --> 00:11:19.639 Very few comedians get away with that. They're like, I'm 226 00:11:19.679 --> 00:11:21.720 nailing life. No, it's like, no one cares. 227 00:11:21.740 --> 00:11:24.580 I don't know if you're going to agree with me, 228 00:11:24.620 --> 00:11:28.230 but Jerry Seinfeld seems to be this strange exception where 229 00:11:28.950 --> 00:11:32.029 His manner is very much I'm good and everything's okay. 230 00:11:32.409 --> 00:11:33.250 He's human neutral. 231 00:11:33.559 --> 00:11:33.840 Yes. 232 00:11:34.919 --> 00:11:37.419 He's kind of like the perfect straight white man, you know. 233 00:11:37.460 --> 00:11:39.970 He's just like, yeah, he's not. He doesn't even

have 234 00:11:40.009 --> 00:11:45.460 red hair. Do you know what I mean? He's made 235 00:11:45.480 --> 00:11:47.279 some bad decisions on the hair and the shoe front, 236 00:11:47.320 --> 00:11:49.500 but other than that, he's fine. 237 00:11:49.559 --> 00:11:50.299 Right, right. 238 00:11:50.720 --> 00:11:53.610 You know, there's a lot of pressure, particularly on, I think, guys. 239 00:11:53.629 --> 00:11:56.909 You've got to be likable, and the best way to 240 00:11:56.950 --> 00:12:00.049 be likable is to be self-deprecating. But in this world, 241 00:12:00.070 --> 00:12:05.409 we're finally recognizing... You know, the perils of power. It's 242 00:12:05.450 --> 00:12:08.409 just like there's a lot of particularly guy comics who 243 00:12:08.450 --> 00:12:11.610 don't know they're in a privileged position because they've worked 244 00:12:11.649 --> 00:12:15.230 their entire life going, I'm just a little guy. And, 245 00:12:15.330 --> 00:12:17.330 you know, life's hard for me because I'm not the 246 00:12:17.370 --> 00:12:19.870 perfect guy. But now it's like, hmm, but being a 247 00:12:19.909 --> 00:12:23.240 guy is an advantage. And so, you know, there's floundering 248 00:12:23.269 --> 00:12:24.440 to be had. Yes. 249 00:12:25.179 --> 00:12:28.639 And so... When I watched Nanette, there are so many 250 00:12:28.720 --> 00:12:33.100 things that started spiraling in my head, not just self-deprecation 251 00:12:33.159 --> 00:12:36.080 because I thought, okay, I can't, I got to table that. 252 00:12:36.360 --> 00:12:41.299 But Hannah really has me thinking about this and ways 253 00:12:41.360 --> 00:12:44.679 in which it might be seen as false, ways in 254 00:12:44.710 --> 00:12:47.669 which it might be false, ways in which it might 255 00:12:47.730 --> 00:12:50.970 be stunting me from finding something else or communicating in 256 00:12:51.009 --> 00:12:51.610 a different way. 257 00:12:51.629 --> 00:12:56.509 Yeah, I think it's an enormously helpful way you know 258 00:12:56.990 --> 00:12:59.789 way to grow like you know it's the compost you 259 00:12:59.830 --> 00:13:02.470 know pile of shit on and that but then you 260 00:13:02.509 --> 00:13:04.789 know you can't just you you know I think that's 261 00:13:04.809 --> 00:13:06.710 where I was in my career like I was you 262 00:13:06.929 --> 00:13:09.690 know 10 12 years in not definitely not 11 and 263 00:13:10.309 --> 00:13:15.409 um and uh and just going I don't know what 264 00:13:15.429 --> 00:13:19.240 else to say like it's just unless I kept repeating 265 00:13:19.580 --> 00:13:22.519 the same angle and I I was growing you know 266 00:13:23.240 --> 00:13:26.360 with confidence because I was, you know, reasonably, it sounds 267 00:13:26.379 --> 00:13:28.159 silly now, but I was doing quite well and now 268 00:13:28.220 --> 00:13:31.470 it's silly. But so it's sort of a, you know, 269 00:13:31.490 --> 00:13:34.090 I felt stunted and I was watching, you know, bitterness 270 00:13:34.149

--> 00:13:37.210 creep into my attitude and that's never been, you know, 271 00:13:37.269 --> 00:13:40.070 professional jealousy and just like, you know, it's like that 272 00:13:40.129 --> 00:13:43.250 doesn't make sense. So there's all sorts of things that 273 00:13:43.289 --> 00:13:45.220 are no longer part of my life now because it's 274 00:13:45.279 --> 00:13:47.320 changed so much, but that was part of the writing 275 00:13:47.679 --> 00:13:49.240 of it, is to break out of a rut. 276 00:13:50.259 --> 00:13:53.570 What you did, in Annette is so raw and so 277 00:13:53.700 --> 00:13:56.179 real and that is the power of it. And now 278 00:13:56.679 --> 00:13:59.179 you have people that might be saying, we can get 279 00:13:59.220 --> 00:14:01.940 you 190 dates doing that or we can, you know, 280 00:14:01.940 --> 00:14:08.419 35 Netflix specials and you're being asked to crank it out. 281 00:14:08.440 --> 00:14:09.799 Do you know what I'm saying? That's something we do 282 00:14:09.850 --> 00:14:13.330 in America is in the UK, if something's good, they 283 00:14:13.350 --> 00:14:14.190 make six of them. 284 00:14:14.250 --> 00:14:14.830 And they're done. 285 00:14:14.850 --> 00:14:18.250 In the United States, we say, let's just keep making 286 00:14:18.289 --> 00:14:19.789 these until everyone hates them. 287 00:14:20.460 --> 00:14:24.250 Yeah, which is great. That's an easy way, a retirement plan. 288 00:14:24.570 --> 00:14:27.190 You know, I'll keep churning this out until I'm hated 289 00:14:27.250 --> 00:14:29.710 and then I'll just, I will quit, like I promised. 290 00:14:30.269 --> 00:14:30.669 No, but. 291 00:14:32.110 --> 00:14:35.110 I'm very inert. I'm good at being inert. I'm feeling 292 00:14:35.149 --> 00:14:37.960 that pull, but I'm not so much doing it. I mean, 293 00:14:38.000 --> 00:14:40.559 I've written a new show and I'm about to start touring. 294 00:14:40.240 --> 00:14:40.860 It, but. 295 00:14:41.179 --> 00:14:43.710 You know, I feel a slight advantage in that sense 296 00:14:43.769 --> 00:14:46.490 is like a lot of comedians I work with started 297 00:14:46.529 --> 00:14:49.080 when they were teenagers. I was in my late 20s, 298 00:14:49.110 --> 00:14:52.490 so there was a lot, there's a lot of unlined material. 299 00:14:53.429 --> 00:14:56.149 And then I've been working quietly on the other side 300 00:14:56.190 --> 00:14:59.090 of the world for 12 years honing my craft and 301 00:14:59.129 --> 00:15:02.490 now suddenly I'm here, but I've got a whole life, 302 00:15:03.230 --> 00:15:06.070 you know, although I do regret packing so much into 303 00:15:06.110 --> 00:15:08.149 the net. That could have been three shows. 304 00:15:08.700 --> 00:15:15.940 LAUGHTER They could release it separately. Yeah, exactly. Tolkien. Tolkien 305 00:15:15.960 --> 00:15:18.460 was one of the writers, I understand, helped you with 306 00:15:18.519 --> 00:15:20.039 parts of it. The part where you go in the 307 00:15:20.080 --> 00:15:23.940 misty forest lost me. It felt unnecessary, but. 308 00:15:24.080 --> 00:15:25.200 Yeah, you know, it's a bridge. 309 00:15:27.019 --> 00:15:29.799 It's just getting you to the next thing. There's a... 310 00:15:31.350 --> 00:15:34.830 I feel it, anyway. What's next? What's next? What's next? 311 00:15:34.870 --> 00:15:36.509 What are you going to do next? I was very 312 00:15:36.590 --> 00:15:40.159 fortunate that someone else had the idea for this podcast 313 00:15:40.200 --> 00:15:42.110 and said, would you do a podcast? And I didn't, 314 00:15:42.500 --> 00:15:44.110 I wasn't that excited at first. I thought, why would 315 00:15:44.129 --> 00:15:46.009 I do a podcast? I've been doing a TV show forever. 316 00:15:46.049 --> 00:15:48.409 Why am I working my way into radio? And I've 317 00:15:48.490 --> 00:15:52.470 absolutely loved it because it is a completely different rhythm 318 00:15:52.509 --> 00:15:55.269 and it's a rhythm that I love. It's a rhythm 319 00:15:55.289 --> 00:15:58.639 that I find really exciting and honest. And also I 320 00:15:58.659 --> 00:16:02.179 get to talk to people I really, really, really want 321 00:16:02.200 --> 00:16:04.179 to talk to the way I want to talk to 322 00:16:04.220 --> 00:16:07.620 them So not much of a risk there, obviously, a 323 00:16:07.679 --> 00:16:10.799 white male doing a podcast, as I said, not a 324 00:16:10.850 --> 00:16:15.309 big risk, but a huge reward to try something new. 325 00:16:15.870 --> 00:16:20.389 And I'm just curious for you, you say you're fairly inert, 326 00:16:21.149 --> 00:16:23.960 but that would be a strong temptation, I would think. 327 00:16:24.539 --> 00:16:26.779 People are coming at you and saying, okay, we know 328 00:16:26.820 --> 00:16:29.639 you have a new show, but can you come speak here? 329 00:16:29.700 --> 00:16:32.919 Can you come speak there? And when you Can you 330 00:16:32.980 --> 00:16:36.090 retell some of the parts of Nanette that must be 331 00:16:36.149 --> 00:16:38.269 very painful for you to talk about? They clearly were 332 00:16:38.309 --> 00:16:41.789 in the special, and now there might be pressure to... Yeah, 333 00:16:42.029 --> 00:16:42.570 it's out there. 334 00:16:43.509 --> 00:16:47.419 It exists. I don't really want to talk about, you know, 335 00:16:47.460 --> 00:16:49.899 to that directly anymore, because it was painful, and I 336 00:16:49.980 --> 00:16:53.710 toured it for, you know, 18 months. before it even aired. 337 00:16:54.230 --> 00:16:57.549 So it was, you know, I performed that show in 338 00:16:57.610 --> 00:17:01.370 front of crowds of like 30 and 90 people, which 339 00:17:01.450 --> 00:17:03.509 is not a comedy show. It's someone kicking off at 340 00:17:03.549 --> 00:17:07.359 a family reunion, you know, like it was gruelling, you know. 341 00:17:07.920 --> 00:17:11.039 And it is like I... broke the code like I 342 00:17:11.079 --> 00:17:13.140 broke the contract of comedy and I knew what I 343 00:17:13.160 -->

00:17:14.900 was doing and I knew that was going to be. 344 00:17:14.880 --> 00:17:16.640 Hard for you Why do you think you broke a code? 345 00:17:16.680 --> 00:17:17.839 What code do you think you broke? 346 00:17:18.640 --> 00:17:20.900 People are relaxed you know they don't have their defences 347 00:17:20.980 --> 00:17:23.369 up they're not in there ready to you know receive 348 00:17:23.700 --> 00:17:26.109 trauma and that's what I did I made them relax 349 00:17:26.190 --> 00:17:27.650 and then I did that to them so that's a 350 00:17:27.690 --> 00:17:30.390 violation essentially so I had to take care of them 351 00:17:30.430 --> 00:17:33.750 so that's why the show is written so precisely you 352 00:17:33.789 --> 00:17:36.490 know I do leave people in these you know it's 353 00:17:36.829 --> 00:17:40.240 quite it's quite a hard place So, but doing that 354 00:17:40.279 --> 00:17:42.740 in the room is, you know, at least when people 355 00:17:42.759 --> 00:17:45.920 are watching it in their home, they can pause, turn off, 356 00:17:46.079 --> 00:17:48.700 walk away, whatever, or, you know, they're in it. But 357 00:17:49.119 --> 00:17:52.289 there's a whole room of people getting something they certainly 358 00:17:52.329 --> 00:17:56.029 did not expect. And so it's kind of like exhausting 359 00:17:56.069 --> 00:17:57.609 for me, you know, 18 months of that. 360 00:17:57.630 --> 00:18:00.390 I have a very strong reaction to anybody, and I 361 00:18:00.430 --> 00:18:02.170 didn't hear it a lot, but I heard that they're 362 00:18:02.710 --> 00:18:07.630 were people who thought, well, wait a minute. Is this stand-up? 363 00:18:07.690 --> 00:18:09.309 It starts out as stand-up and then it becomes this. 364 00:18:09.369 --> 00:18:10.170 And I had a very. 365 00:18:11.450 --> 00:18:14.809 My view of those people is like, well, you're not 366 00:18:14.829 --> 00:18:15.250 a human. 367 00:18:15.750 --> 00:18:16.089 Yes. 368 00:18:17.049 --> 00:18:19.119 Your first thing is after watching that, go, well, it's 369 00:18:19.160 --> 00:18:21.960 not technically comedy. It's just like, what is wrong with you? 370 00:18:22.019 --> 00:18:24.440 No, exactly. 371 00:18:24.980 --> 00:18:27.259 Like, don't watch it again. Fine. But what is wrong 372 00:18:27.299 --> 00:18:31.039 with you? Like, if that's like. 373 00:18:31.119 --> 00:18:35.829 First of all, Where is the rule? It's a light up. 374 00:18:36.009 --> 00:18:39.309 I know, but it's an hour and 10 minutes of 375 00:18:39.349 --> 00:18:41.829 you in a microphone. It is going to be what 376 00:18:41.849 --> 00:18:44.710 you want it to be. And it was powerful. And 377 00:18:45.150 --> 00:18:48.369 no moment did you lose me. And I laughed a lot. 378 00:18:48.589 --> 00:18:53.210 And then you also did what I think... great art, 379 00:18:53.269 --> 00:18:56.670 great theater, great works of writing are supposed to do, 380 00:18:56.690 --> 00:19:02.259 it got in me and wouldn't let me go and 381 00:19:02.359 --> 00:19:04.380 made me think about a lot of things in a 382 00:19:04.420 --> 00:19:06.400 way that I was very grateful for. And so I 383 00:19:06.440 --> 00:19:09.619 was very, I was very angry with anybody that had 384 00:19:09.660 --> 00:19:11.740 a bit of a, like, like, what the fuck are 385 00:19:11.759 --> 00:19:14.700 you talking about? This is, this is a beautiful, powerful 386 00:19:14.789 --> 00:19:21.220 piece of work and I will fight anybody. This is great. No, 387 00:19:21.319 --> 00:19:22.420 I really did feel that way. 388 00:19:22.500 --> 00:19:27.109 Well, it never really happened in the live shows. But once, 389 00:19:27.150 --> 00:19:30.289 I guess, it went on people in their own spaces, 390 00:19:30.450 --> 00:19:32.349 it's happened a little bit more. And particularly here, I 391 00:19:32.369 --> 00:19:34.750 think you have a different stand-up culture than we have 392 00:19:34.809 --> 00:19:38.289 in the UK and Australia. So it's more long-distance runner 393 00:19:38.329 --> 00:19:41.529 as opposed to a sprint. But two interesting people that 394 00:19:41.529 --> 00:19:43.920 I thought about when I wrote the show was Donald 395 00:19:43.920 --> 00:19:45.849 Trump trump and taylor swift. 396 00:19:46.910 --> 00:19:49.069 You know what i was gonna finish that sentence for 397 00:19:49.089 --> 00:19:55.750 you together again yeah well you know because it was 398 00:19:55.769 --> 00:19:58.799 like we've all heard it yeah we all put those 399 00:19:58.819 --> 00:19:59.710 two together because i. 400 00:19:59.670 --> 00:20:01.910 Was kind of watching with horror you know donald trump 401 00:20:01.950 --> 00:20:04.660 and his rallies right in the you know this was 402 00:20:05.029 --> 00:20:07.609 before he was not even nominated, but just those, and 403 00:20:07.630 --> 00:20:10.779 it was like he's not saying anything and he's like, 404 00:20:11.970 --> 00:20:16.619 you know, just watching that group mob mentality. And then 405 00:20:18.240 --> 00:20:22.480 Taylor Swift, I went through a brief obsession just only 406 00:20:22.519 --> 00:20:25.539 because I wanted to understand. I still don't, but I 407 00:20:25.640 --> 00:20:26.799 really studied it hard. 408 00:20:28.380 --> 00:20:30.319 The Taylor Swift of it all. 409 00:20:30.720 --> 00:20:32.119 What is this, Swift? 410 00:20:32.640 --> 00:20:33.430 Yeah. What is it? 411 00:20:35.089 --> 00:20:39.430 What does she? I couldn't understand. I mean, it was fine, 412 00:20:39.470 --> 00:20:41.250 but it's like a lot of people think it's more 413 00:20:41.269 --> 00:20:43.549 than fine. And they're like, oh, she writes her own songs. 414 00:20:43.569 --> 00:20:49.559 I'm like, maybe. Have you read the words? I mean, 415 00:20:49.599 --> 00:20:50.720 rain's a strong. 416 00:20:50.799 --> 00:20:52.920 I will not sit here and listen to this. 417 00:20:52.980 --> 00:20:55.380 Rain is a strong metaphor, but it shouldn't carry an 418 00:20:55.460 --> 00:20:56.099 entire

career. 419 00:20:56.420 --> 00:20:56.769 But.... 420 00:20:59.579 --> 00:21:01.200 No, good on her, good on her, good on her. 421 00:21:01.220 --> 00:21:04.079 I really don't have a problem, but I did study 422 00:21:04.099 --> 00:21:10.220 the Swift. And during her 1989 world tour, I think 423 00:21:10.269 --> 00:21:13.750 it's called The Clean Speech. Mm-hmm. I don't know if 424 00:21:13.769 --> 00:21:14.529 you're aware of this. 425 00:21:14.609 --> 00:21:16.109 I am not. That would make me a creep. 426 00:21:16.369 --> 00:21:16.589 Yeah. 427 00:21:16.829 --> 00:21:18.049 Well, I guess it makes. 428 00:21:17.930 --> 00:21:18.849 Me a creep, too. 429 00:21:18.930 --> 00:21:24.259 I really don't feel I'm the demographic. But it was intellectual. Yeah. 430 00:21:25.119 --> 00:21:29.099 But so she just sort of in her concerts went 431 00:21:29.160 --> 00:21:32.619 up on this like platform with a keyboard and she 432 00:21:33.019 --> 00:21:36.700 stood there and was just like a messiah, just talked 433 00:21:36.740 --> 00:21:39.960 to this huge crowd and they're like crying going, this 434 00:21:40.049 --> 00:21:45.349 is profound. And I got some transcripts and just studied 435 00:21:45.410 --> 00:21:49.150 them and I'm like, she has said nothing. Like she 436 00:21:49.170 --> 00:21:54.140 has genuinely not said anything. Like she meant it. Whatever 437 00:21:54.180 --> 00:21:59.410 she didn't say. But she really meant it. 438 00:21:59.470 --> 00:22:01.430 Yeah, yeah. 439 00:22:01.470 --> 00:22:03.910 And I think it was that sort of, you know, 440 00:22:03.930 --> 00:22:07.789 that vagueness of speech that people were just like, oh, 441 00:22:08.130 --> 00:22:10.559 I want this. So they fill in the blanks. 442 00:22:10.579 --> 00:22:11.170 Yes, yes. 443 00:22:11.539 --> 00:22:16.680 It's preaching to the converted quite literally. But I was 444 00:22:16.740 --> 00:22:18.900 quite fascinated with it. And it happens in the room. 445 00:22:18.940 --> 00:22:21.519 Like it's a live conversation. You know, these things wouldn't 446 00:22:21.579 --> 00:22:24.819 work on TV. So I was fascinated with that mob 447 00:22:24.880 --> 00:22:28.299 mentality and I'm like, I don't think that's healthy. You know, 448 00:22:28.339 --> 00:22:30.720 like that's not how you open a closed mind. 449 00:22:31.380 --> 00:22:32.180 Right. 450 00:22:32.339 --> 00:22:34.900 So that's why I started to go, I need to 451 00:22:35.279 --> 00:22:38.440 shatter that illusion, like break the audience up so people 452 00:22:38.460 --> 00:22:41.829 are like, I don't know how to react because that 453 00:22:41.869 --> 00:22:45.309 consensus has been broken so people are left as individuals 454 00:22:45.369 --> 00:22:47.430 in the room. So that was one of my muses. 455 00:22:47.890 --> 00:22:51.640 Yeah, oh, I just... Oh, my God. I wish the 456 00:22:51.680 --> 00:22:58.809 show had ended with dedicated to Donald Trump. Everyone would 457 00:22:58.849 --> 00:23:00.589 have known just

what you were talking about. 458 00:23:00.609 --> 00:23:05.450 I've never admitted that. It's quite the admission you need. 459 00:23:05.549 --> 00:23:09.690 Yes, we have this tradition of the stand-up special where 460 00:23:10.009 --> 00:23:11.730 someone prowls the stage and. 461 00:23:11.750 --> 00:23:12.710 They didn't move. 462 00:23:13.019 --> 00:23:15.299 Yeah, exactly. I was going to say you are like 463 00:23:15.339 --> 00:23:20.630 a master matador. You didn't move. No, you didn't. You 464 00:23:20.690 --> 00:23:23.509 didn't move, I don't think you moved an inch. And 465 00:23:23.529 --> 00:23:25.390 in fact, at one point you went and you went 466 00:23:25.410 --> 00:23:28.319 to take a sip of water. I think it's maybe 467 00:23:28.500 --> 00:23:30.579 one or two points during the show, but when that happened, 468 00:23:30.599 --> 00:23:31.480 it was electrifying. 469 00:23:31.500 --> 00:23:33.839 Minimalist. 470 00:23:33.859 --> 00:23:36.799 Because you had moved so minimal, you didn't move. 471 00:23:37.589 --> 00:23:39.869 That was a really conscious decision I made early on 472 00:23:39.970 --> 00:23:44.779 because I chose to stand still because that's a thing 473 00:23:44.819 --> 00:23:47.319 I don't ever have to make a decision about during 474 00:23:47.359 --> 00:23:51.220 performance of it, you know, literally taking a stand because 475 00:23:51.259 --> 00:23:56.000 it's a lot of heavy lifting in the show, you know, emotional, 476 00:23:56.019 --> 00:23:59.049 I guess. But, you know, also the show, I think, 477 00:23:59.430 --> 00:24:02.289 is technically, you know, if it had all the material 478 00:24:02.329 --> 00:24:06.250 that I, It's three or four strands, three and a 479 00:24:06.289 --> 00:24:09.029 half hours long all up. So I would pull it 480 00:24:09.069 --> 00:24:12.400 together and take every performance was slightly different. So it 481 00:24:12.420 --> 00:24:15.680 was alive in every room that I did it. So 482 00:24:15.740 --> 00:24:18.599 that's why I thought, well, let's not throw walking and 483 00:24:18.660 --> 00:24:22.460 thinking into the same moment. 484 00:24:22.579 --> 00:24:29.019 I thought you are... so eloquent and clearly well-read and 485 00:24:29.259 --> 00:24:32.079 clearly have thought through everything so well. I thought that 486 00:24:32.279 --> 00:24:34.500 added a lot to the performance, that your language was 487 00:24:34.539 --> 00:24:37.609 so precise. Was that a choice or you're just really, 488 00:24:37.769 --> 00:24:39.119 really smart, which I know you are? 489 00:24:40.349 --> 00:24:44.789 Call me, call me. I always found myself working a 490 00:24:44.809 --> 00:24:48.329 lot and I found that being intelligent was disarming for 491 00:24:48.349 --> 00:24:53.450 this bundle. You know, being quiet, quietly intelligent, actually worked 492 00:24:53.509 --> 00:24:56.799 early on. for me and I think audiences are quite 493 00:24:56.839 --> 00:25:01.480 smart generally like and I think they're getting increasingly more 494 00:25:01.519 --> 00:25:04.299 intelligent particularly with comedy because we've got access to comedy 495 00:25:04.500 --> 00:25:06.619 all the time now like there was a time when 496 00:25:07.329 --> 00:25:09.869 you know the only time you could watch comedy usually 497 00:25:09.930 --> 00:25:11.730 was on tv unless you were you know in a 498 00:25:11.730 --> 00:25:13.769 city that had a live scene but generally you know 499 00:25:13.809 --> 00:25:15.470 that's not much of the world in the scheme of 500 00:25:15.509 --> 00:25:19.069 things and so you you had a very small amount 501 00:25:19.089 --> 00:25:21.450 of comedy and that that was what you were left 502 00:25:21.529 --> 00:25:26.609 with now you can watch comedy anytime you like So that, 503 00:25:26.769 --> 00:25:29.609 I think, is great for the form because it's like, well, 504 00:25:29.650 --> 00:25:31.509 we can really push it now because people have got 505 00:25:31.529 --> 00:25:34.650 the yuck-yuck sorted. Anyone can just Google cat videos. 506 00:25:35.039 --> 00:25:35.519 They're fine. 507 00:25:35.960 --> 00:25:38.700 They can have laughs like that. So I think it's 508 00:25:38.759 --> 00:25:44.440 blown so much potential in the idea of what stand-up 509 00:25:44.460 --> 00:25:44.779 can be. 510 00:25:45.019 --> 00:25:47.500 And I think it's become much more specialized. It used 511 00:25:47.539 --> 00:25:52.319 to be everything's become more specialized. Entertainment's become more specialized. 512 00:25:52.339 --> 00:25:54.819 You can find the exact... thing that you want to 513 00:25:54.900 --> 00:25:58.119 find because there's so many different small niches that are 514 00:25:58.160 --> 00:26:00.410 possible now when there used to be, at least in 515 00:26:00.450 --> 00:26:03.130 this country, there were three networks and that was it. 516 00:26:03.190 --> 00:26:06.329 Here are the shows, here's Happy Days, here's Laverne and Shirley, 517 00:26:06.690 --> 00:26:08.250 shut the fuck up and go to bed. And that's 518 00:26:08.289 --> 00:26:10.380 what you got. I didn't mean to shout at you 519 00:26:10.410 --> 00:26:11.900 all like that. 520 00:26:11.940 --> 00:26:15.569 No, no, that's real insight into your... Your life this... 521 00:26:15.750 --> 00:26:17.250 Laverne and Shirley, shut the fuck up. 522 00:26:17.730 --> 00:26:20.670 Go to bed. That's how my mother used to speak 523 00:26:20.690 --> 00:26:21.920 to me. Good on her. 524 00:26:21.940 --> 00:26:22.619 She raised you well. 525 00:26:22.660 --> 00:26:28.539 Yeah, she did. She was a sailor. But a very 526 00:26:28.579 --> 00:26:29.099 good sailor. 527 00:26:29.259 --> 00:26:34.059 Yeah, yeah. Mums usually are. I don't know what that means. 528 00:26:34.140 --> 00:26:36.640 We'll be right back with more things that aren't true. 529 00:26:36.680 --> 00:26:40.920 A new McDonald's side mission has been unlocked. The Quarter 530 00:26:40.940 --> 00:26:46.109 Pounder Deluxe Legendary

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It's of the time. Picasso does not move people now. 569 00:28:47.910 --> 00:28:51.480 Occasionally you go, oh, he's good with a line. But essentially, like, 570 00:28:51.539 --> 00:28:54.900 he's an historical figure. And the only reason he moves 571 00:28:54.940 --> 00:28:57.480 people is because of his worth. And his worth is 572 00:28:57.539 --> 00:29:00.099 built on his mythology. And I just don't have time 573 00:29:00.140 --> 00:29:03.779 for it. It's just like... Only rich men buy Picassos 574 00:29:03.839 --> 00:29:05.759 and that's why they talk about it. That's why he's 575 00:29:05.799 --> 00:29:08.599 worth it. And he's all right. Keep him in the museums. 576 00:29:08.660 --> 00:29:12.450 Keep the conversation going. Sure. But add a few other 577 00:29:12.470 --> 00:29:15.069 people in there and let's keep in the story that 578 00:29:15.109 --> 00:29:15.369 he was born. 579 00:29:15.890 --> 00:29:16.630 Prick biscuit. 580 00:29:16.650 --> 00:29:20.069 Like he was an asshole. And he was, but you know, 581 00:29:20.109 --> 00:29:22.549 we can learn, we could have learned from that, but 582 00:29:22.569 --> 00:29:25.690 it was enabled, right? And that's, you know, by not 583 00:29:26.029 --> 00:29:29.170 looking at that and thinking about that and, you know, 584 00:29:29.269 --> 00:29:31.750 making sure that that's part of his story, we've still 585 00:29:31.789 --> 00:29:34.950 got those guys who are getting away with stuff and 586 00:29:34.990 --> 00:29:37.250 people who allow them to get away with stuff because 587 00:29:37.309 --> 00:29:39.769 that's the culture. Because we think, oh, we can't exist 588 00:29:39.789 --> 00:29:43.619 without the genius but genius is like it's an event 589 00:29:43.880 --> 00:29:48.349 not a person and it's replaceable like it'll always you 590 00:29:48.380 --> 00:29:51.309 know where there's a need artists will fill it but 591 00:29:51.529 --> 00:29:53.869 you know you don't have to you put an artist 592 00:29:53.930 --> 00:29:57.410 on a pedestal they're no longer responding to the world 593 00:29:57.690 --> 00:30:00.039 they're not breathing the same air right So I get, 594 00:30:00.140 --> 00:30:00.809 it's bullshit. 595 00:30:01.630 --> 00:30:04.440 No, I've also, it's also driven me crazy when people 596 00:30:04.980 --> 00:30:08.140 say things like, well, if it weren't for Newton, we 597 00:30:08.160 --> 00:30:11.539 wouldn't know about gravity. And I think, listen, Newton was amazing, 598 00:30:11.559 --> 00:30:15.420 and I'm not going after Newton. That's your job, to 599 00:30:15.460 --> 00:30:18.970 go after Newton. But no, someone else would have figured 600 00:30:18.990 --> 00:30:21.950 it out. So he was brilliant in his moment at 601 00:30:21.990 --> 00:30:27.009 that time. But whenever people think that had Thomas Edison 602 00:30:27.490 --> 00:30:30.170 not come up with the light bulb, we'd still in 603 00:30:30.170 --> 00:30:32.660 2019 be stumbling around in the dark. I want to 604 00:30:32.680 --> 00:30:33.339 fight them in a bar. 605 00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:34.759 A dark bar. 606 00:30:35.359 --> 00:30:39.349 Very dark bar. Just swinging wildly and hoping to connect 607 00:30:39.369 --> 00:30:44.089 with someone. Yeah, you would eventually. If you've seen me fight, no. 608 00:30:45.329 --> 00:30:48.829 It's sort of like freckled pasta whipping around. 609 00:30:49.309 --> 00:30:49.789 Oh, wow. 610 00:30:50.069 --> 00:30:51.150 Yeah, no, that's an image. 611 00:30:52.170 --> 00:30:56.670 Yeah, two strands of freckled pasta just flailing on a 612 00:30:56.769 --> 00:31:03.599 sort of ill-made turbine. It's steam-powered, spinning, and it's really 613 00:31:03.619 --> 00:31:04.140 just sad. 614 00:31:04.680 --> 00:31:08.759 It's a good image, though. 615 00:31:08.799 --> 00:31:10.660 Thank you. I'm working on it. 616 00:31:10.660 --> 00:31:13.170 Is it like a Lazy Susan, like a steam-powered Lazy Susan? 617 00:31:15.589 --> 00:31:19.099 That you've stapled two pieces of freckled pasta to. The pastas. 618 00:31:19.700 --> 00:31:23.380 I just had that image, you know, those inflatable cars. 619 00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:25.799 Yes, yes, they flip and flop around, yes, in front 620 00:31:25.819 --> 00:31:27.460 of a car lot where they're selling cars. 621 00:31:27.619 --> 00:31:30.430 That's you fighting in a dark bar. Yes, yes. 622 00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:33.460 Imagine that without being able to see it hitting no one. 623 00:31:34.210 --> 00:31:35.410 This is quite zen now. 624 00:31:35.750 --> 00:31:40.390 Yeah. I want to say something else. 625 00:31:40.769 --> 00:31:41.029 Cool. 626 00:31:41.329 --> 00:31:42.109 And I think I'm allowed to. 627 00:31:42.269 --> 00:31:42.470 Yeah. 628 00:31:42.509 --> 00:31:44.130 Because my name is somewhere in the show. 629 00:31:44.230 --> 00:31:44.769 Go for it, kiddo. 630 00:31:47.839 --> 00:31:51.039 I'm not a fan of the angry comic on stage 631 00:31:51.099 --> 00:31:55.420 because a lot of times I think, wait a minute, 632 00:31:55.480 --> 00:31:59.619 they're really not that angry about getting a bag of 633 00:31:59.680 --> 00:32:03.599 peanuts on an airline. They're really not that angry. This 634 00:32:03.720 --> 00:32:09.519 is manufactured. There are moments where you're quite angry and 635 00:32:09.579 --> 00:32:13.140 upset and you're expressing that And it is profound. 636 00:32:13.640 --> 00:32:18.130 Well, the, the filming of it was actually kind of 637 00:32:18.309 --> 00:32:20.109 even more difficult than usual because my mum was in 638 00:32:20.130 --> 00:32:22.089 the audience and that wasn't supposed to be. 639 00:32:22.109 --> 00:32:24.750 I heard about this. Your mother is, was, did you, 640 00:32:24.869 --> 00:32:26.609 did you know before you went out that your mother 641 00:32:26.630 --> 00:32:27.710 would be in the crowd? Yeah, yeah, yeah. 642 00:32:27.769 --> 00:32:31.500 And I'd been looking after her all day. Um, you know, so, 643 00:32:31.519 --> 00:32:34.039 and

then she's, I, I did a whole run at 644 00:32:34.059 --> 00:32:36.160 the opera house at before I filmed it like a 645 00:32:36.180 --> 00:32:37.440 couple of months earlier and I kept saying, do you 646 00:32:37.480 --> 00:32:39.680 want to pop up and what are you, I'm playing 647 00:32:39.700 --> 00:32:41.119 in Elbrow, can you come up and see? 648 00:32:41.480 --> 00:32:42.250 And she's like, nah. 649 00:32:44.730 --> 00:32:45.809 So she's a pirate. 650 00:32:45.849 --> 00:32:46.529 Yeah. 651 00:32:46.549 --> 00:32:48.809 There's no time. 652 00:32:49.089 --> 00:32:57.630 Yeah, pretty much. So I organised the date for the filming. 653 00:32:57.650 --> 00:32:59.170 She's like, I'm going to pop up for that. 654 00:32:59.490 --> 00:33:00.259 Yeah, I reckon. 655 00:33:00.299 --> 00:33:02.140 Yeah, I might do it now. So it was sort 656 00:33:02.160 --> 00:33:06.099 of like, oh, bullshit. Yeah. Because, you know, I couldn't 657 00:33:06.119 --> 00:33:07.740 do it. I had to do it. So that. 658 00:33:09.440 --> 00:33:12.619 As it happened, I could see her because she's got 659 00:33:12.640 --> 00:33:15.880 quite a distinct white crop of hair. And, you know, 660 00:33:15.900 --> 00:33:17.680 it was just sort of like in my eyeline. And 661 00:33:17.720 --> 00:33:20.839 when I did this certain bit, I just saw her slump, 662 00:33:21.240 --> 00:33:24.099 you know, like, and I just, it was, it was 663 00:33:24.119 --> 00:33:24.839 a lot. 664 00:33:25.180 --> 00:33:28.819 I cannot imagine that. I think I can have a 665 00:33:28.839 --> 00:33:34.430 good imagination. I can't imagine talking about something that potent and, 666 00:33:35.220 --> 00:33:36.700 your mom is, is there. 667 00:33:36.779 --> 00:33:39.119 And I know that she's, you know, going, Oh, I 668 00:33:39.160 --> 00:33:41.660 let my daughter down, which is not what I was saying, 669 00:33:41.720 --> 00:33:45.839 but you know, that's your, that's your thing. Of course, 670 00:33:45.880 --> 00:33:48.000 she's going to think that in that room, you know, like, 671 00:33:48.700 --> 00:33:51.900 so that really, you know, I can say with all 672 00:33:51.980 --> 00:33:56.579 confidence that was a genuine performance because of that. Also, 673 00:33:56.680 --> 00:34:00.240 you know, like I, I just think the, you know, 674 00:34:00.289 --> 00:34:03.809 separation of comedy from drama is not the smartest thing 675 00:34:03.829 --> 00:34:10.059 we've ever done. Like it, Historically, they've always coexisted. I 676 00:34:10.380 --> 00:34:13.440 don't think I've done anything new. I'm just reminded of 677 00:34:13.539 --> 00:34:16.639 why it works so well. So it'll be interesting to 678 00:34:16.820 --> 00:34:17.679 see what I do next. 679 00:34:18.900 --> 00:34:21.639 Well, let's talk about that. Let's talk about that. 680 00:34:21.659 --> 00:34:22.840 Where do you go from Nanette? 681 00:34:22.940 --> 00:34:24.519 You have another canvas now. 682 00:34:24.539 --> 00:34:35.690 So it's... I don't know why

I stopped talking, but 683 00:34:35.730 --> 00:34:39.380 I did, didn't I? I think I just got scared. 684 00:34:39.400 --> 00:34:40.119 Oh, no. 685 00:34:41.619 --> 00:34:47.579 Touring. Yeah, it was kind of a really interesting creative 686 00:34:47.619 --> 00:34:50.900 process because I felt a lot of pressure creatively. The 687 00:34:50.940 --> 00:34:52.760 spirit in which I wrote it was like, well, I 688 00:34:52.800 --> 00:34:56.710 can't back Nanette up. She's quite singular. I can't just keep, 689 00:34:57.190 --> 00:34:59.869 you know, it would be disingenuous to go, here's some 690 00:34:59.889 --> 00:35:00.369 more trauma. 691 00:35:00.829 --> 00:35:00.989 Yeah. 692 00:35:01.269 --> 00:35:04.030 You know, I think I've dealt enough of that out. 693 00:35:04.150 --> 00:35:06.670 I just need to work on my stuff on my own. 694 00:35:08.449 --> 00:35:11.889 But so I think the way I approached it was 695 00:35:11.909 --> 00:35:15.070 to say, well, I can't back that up. You know, 696 00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:18.500 I have to create something, you know, that's content to 697 00:35:18.539 --> 00:35:22.400 live in the shadow of Nanette, you know, because, you know, 698 00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:24.789 that's where I live now. At the moment, I'm living 699 00:35:24.829 --> 00:35:26.710 in the shadow of Nanette. That's what this show needs 700 00:35:26.730 --> 00:35:31.409 to be. So I ended up writing a show that's 701 00:35:31.510 --> 00:35:34.550 really fun. Really fun. 702 00:35:34.750 --> 00:35:35.309 I like that. 703 00:35:35.349 --> 00:35:40.280 Yeah, I'm genuinely having fun on stage, which is new. 704 00:35:40.780 --> 00:35:45.780 That is new. 705 00:35:45.820 --> 00:35:48.539 I mean, I'm happy for you. I am. I want 706 00:35:48.559 --> 00:35:52.199 you to have a show that is giving you, Joy 707 00:35:52.260 --> 00:35:55.699 and not putting you through the ringer every single night. 708 00:35:55.780 --> 00:36:00.050 Yeah, I'm getting angry about peanuts on the plane. It 709 00:36:00.070 --> 00:36:04.130 took it from you. Manufactured rage, that's working well for me. 710 00:36:04.269 --> 00:36:07.110 You smashed melons for a while on stage. I know 711 00:36:07.389 --> 00:36:08.309 in your Gallagher phase. 712 00:36:08.510 --> 00:36:08.949 Oh, right. 713 00:36:12.710 --> 00:36:14.849 You were a very good prop comic back in the day. 714 00:36:14.869 --> 00:36:16.889 Yeah, that's something people don't know about me. 715 00:36:16.929 --> 00:36:18.769 I've seen the footage. You were a master. 716 00:36:18.969 --> 00:36:21.429 Yeah, I used to take the microphone out of the stand. 717 00:36:24.269 --> 00:36:26.510 Prowl the stage. 718 00:36:26.829 --> 00:36:32.489 Amble. Yeah, so I'm actually quite excited about it. It's interesting. 719 00:36:32.510 --> 00:36:37.530 It's my first North American tour. I did New York 720 00:36:37.590 --> 00:36:39.219 and a couple of dates in L.A., but I really 721 00:36:39.260 --> 00:36:44.179 haven't traveled about. So

it's going to be fascinating how 722 00:36:44.380 --> 00:36:48.150 audiences receive music. It's interesting now when I get standing 723 00:36:48.250 --> 00:36:51.269 ovations before I even get to the microphone now. And 724 00:36:51.309 --> 00:36:53.630 it's weird because it's like, guys, you've got to give 725 00:36:53.650 --> 00:36:57.769 me room to fuck up. Like it's sort of like 726 00:36:57.789 --> 00:37:01.110 you just need to have some respect for yourself. But 727 00:37:01.190 --> 00:37:04.610 I kind of understand that they're going, thank you for 728 00:37:04.650 --> 00:37:07.300 what you've already done. Like I said, I now live 729 00:37:07.340 --> 00:37:11.489 in the shadow of Nanette. Yeah. So, you know, which 730 00:37:11.519 --> 00:37:14.159 is funny that I've created quite a light show. 731 00:37:14.760 --> 00:37:15.219 Yeah. 732 00:37:16.380 --> 00:37:19.769 Well, I wrote it in the spirit of like I 733 00:37:19.809 --> 00:37:22.489 need to not care if this fails, which is the 734 00:37:22.510 --> 00:37:25.329 spirit I wrote Nanette in. I need to not care 735 00:37:26.250 --> 00:37:29.099 if this, you know, does push me into the margins 736 00:37:29.320 --> 00:37:33.199 even further. So it's like I'm prepared to artistically and 737 00:37:33.239 --> 00:37:37.219 creatively take a risk and if it fails, that's fine. Wow. 738 00:37:37.239 --> 00:37:37.340 Wow. 739 00:37:38.730 --> 00:37:42.590 So that's– I mean, I had to because I– where 740 00:37:42.610 --> 00:37:45.840 did I even come from? Nobody knows. Like, this is– 741 00:37:45.880 --> 00:37:50.179 I could just– like, I could– but Nanette lives– you know, 742 00:37:50.219 --> 00:37:52.860 she lives and she's doing a thing in people's heads. 743 00:37:52.960 --> 00:37:55.860 And it's– I know that that show has had an impact. 744 00:37:56.260 --> 00:37:56.840 I've done enough. 745 00:37:57.860 --> 00:38:00.059 I can clock off now as a human, right? 746 00:38:00.449 --> 00:38:03.210 No, that was not the point of this podcast. 747 00:38:03.269 --> 00:38:06.050 Not clock off as in like, no, just like, I 748 00:38:06.090 --> 00:38:08.789 can just get a job at my brother's supermarket and 749 00:38:09.639 --> 00:38:11.679 fruit and veg shop and just have a nice garden 750 00:38:11.739 --> 00:38:12.460 and stuff like that. 751 00:38:12.679 --> 00:38:16.119 Yes, you have earned the right. Yes, you have. I'll 752 00:38:16.139 --> 00:38:17.840 give you that permission because I know you need that 753 00:38:17.900 --> 00:38:18.260 from me. 754 00:38:18.280 --> 00:38:25.269 I do. But knowing that and thinking like that gives 755 00:38:25.289 --> 00:38:28.869 you the creative freedom that perhaps if I invested in 756 00:38:28.909 --> 00:38:29.570 the wall-to-wall. 757 00:38:29.909 --> 00:38:34.969 I have to say, I think the risk that you 758 00:38:35.329 --> 00:38:41.619 took to risk people's ire or dissatisfaction Feeling that this 759 00:38:41.699 --> 00:38:45.559 isn't a comedy show. That

was my Australian accent, by 760 00:38:45.579 --> 00:38:45.840 the way. 761 00:38:45.920 --> 00:38:46.760 It's pretty good, mate. 762 00:38:46.800 --> 00:38:53.389 This ain't a comedy show. We're all pirate mothers. That's 763 00:38:53.409 --> 00:38:58.130 not a knife in a comedy show. This is a 764 00:38:58.170 --> 00:38:59.730 knife in a comedy show. 765 00:39:00.150 --> 00:39:00.610 Oh, no. 766 00:39:00.690 --> 00:39:02.840 What? Isn't that? 767 00:39:03.159 --> 00:39:03.440 Yeah. 768 00:39:03.460 --> 00:39:07.860 Okay. Paul Hogan's still very relevant with the young people. Yeah. 769 00:39:07.960 --> 00:39:08.880 In Australia. Do you know. 770 00:39:10.320 --> 00:39:13.559 When I, before I turned 18, I'd seen two films 771 00:39:13.619 --> 00:39:16.539 at the cinema. It was Milo and Otis and Crocodile 772 00:39:16.559 --> 00:39:19.340 Dundee 2. I hadn't even seen the first. 773 00:39:19.420 --> 00:39:19.840 Oh my God. 774 00:39:20.199 --> 00:39:23.849 Oh my God. You just saw Crocodile Dundee. You started. Okay. 775 00:39:24.170 --> 00:39:26.130 Milo and Otis and Crocodile Dundee 2. 776 00:39:26.130 --> 00:39:32.489 Two. Um, I, uh, I was just in Australia, and 777 00:39:32.510 --> 00:39:34.380 I was telling you that, and I think one of 778 00:39:34.449 --> 00:39:37.079 the big– I feel like that country's been lying to 779 00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:40.579 us because I went there. And all they've done my 780 00:39:40.619 --> 00:39:46.059 whole life, my perspective has been Australian saying, come to Australia. 781 00:39:46.840 --> 00:39:53.289 You're going to have– You're going to party in Australia 782 00:39:53.530 --> 00:39:56.469 because we has no rules and we ate a shrimp 783 00:39:56.530 --> 00:39:59.170 on the bus. There's no rules. Listen, you're going to 784 00:39:59.190 --> 00:40:01.659 listen to this accent. This is important to me. 785 00:40:01.760 --> 00:40:04.250 I'm feeling it. I'm not just listening to it. 786 00:40:04.340 --> 00:40:07.679 I'm feeling it. You're going to come to Australia. It's 787 00:40:07.900 --> 00:40:10.619 crazy down here. And then I got there and it was, 788 00:40:10.980 --> 00:40:15.539 we have a lot of rules. Very uptight about the rules. 789 00:40:15.559 --> 00:40:17.969 What makes me laugh about that, you know, like, we 790 00:40:17.989 --> 00:40:20.750 don't care. Throw another, you know, shrimp on the barbie. 791 00:40:20.989 --> 00:40:24.269 We don't say shrimp. We say prawns. If we really 792 00:40:24.289 --> 00:40:27.210 didn't care, we'd say, chuck another fucking prawn on the 793 00:40:27.250 --> 00:40:30.570 barbie and catch up and learn. Exactly. Like, we speak 794 00:40:30.610 --> 00:40:32.150 different words sometimes. Right. 795 00:40:32.510 --> 00:40:34.300 And you don't drink Foster's lager. 796 00:40:34.360 --> 00:40:34.840 Hate it. 797 00:40:35.179 --> 00:40:37.699 Everyone hates it in Australia. It's cat's piss. Yeah. 798 00:40:37.719 --> 00:40:37.940 Yeah. 799 00:40:38.460 --> 00:40:42.980

That's another thing. They always said Forster's, Australian for beer. No. 800 00:40:43.260 --> 00:40:44.929 And Outback Steakhouse. 801 00:40:45.210 --> 00:40:46.929 Yeah. What's also interesting is like. 802 00:40:46.949 --> 00:40:48.909 Do you guys have Bloomin' Onions, by the way? Is 803 00:40:48.949 --> 00:40:49.590 that a real thing? 804 00:40:49.829 --> 00:40:50.610 I don't know. 805 00:40:51.469 --> 00:40:56.719 What is it? I don't know. It's an onion that's cut. 806 00:40:56.219 --> 00:40:58.019 In a specific way. I love that the two of 807 00:40:58.159 --> 00:40:59.440 us just jumped right in. 808 00:40:59.519 --> 00:41:01.699 It looks like a tumbleweed or an artichoke out of 809 00:41:01.719 --> 00:41:04.059 an onion. It's like a fried onion that they've convinced 810 00:41:04.139 --> 00:41:05.610 us is an Australian delicacy. 811 00:41:05.719 --> 00:41:06.429 Who's they? 812 00:41:06.969 --> 00:41:08.489 The people at Faustus. 813 00:41:08.710 --> 00:41:08.949 Outback. 814 00:41:08.989 --> 00:41:09.230 Outback. 815 00:41:10.139 --> 00:41:10.920 It's a conspiracy. 816 00:41:10.940 --> 00:41:13.960 Well, the thing is, like, everyone's idea of Australia, Australia's 817 00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:18.000 a huge country. Like, we haven't got a very large population, 818 00:41:18.019 --> 00:41:18.630 but it's a. 819 00:41:18.860 --> 00:41:19.260 Massive. 820 00:41:19.619 --> 00:41:22.510 Massive, you know, in terms of its environment. But people 821 00:41:22.889 --> 00:41:27.030 think it's either, like, surf or the desert, which essentially 822 00:41:27.090 --> 00:41:29.949 that's what it is. It's the outlines and the desert. 823 00:41:30.050 --> 00:41:33.449 But I'm from Tasmania, which is another world entirely, so 824 00:41:33.510 --> 00:41:37.119 it's not, you know, it's more like New Zealand, really, 825 00:41:37.159 --> 00:41:42.340 in its acceptance politics. But, you know, like, so it's 826 00:41:42.449 --> 00:41:46.280 that sort of like it's almost, you know, people's idea. 827 00:41:46.400 --> 00:41:48.920 I don't come from people's idea of Australia at the 828 00:41:48.940 --> 00:41:52.920 best of times. But I did have a meeting, one 829 00:41:52.940 --> 00:41:56.889 of the meetings where I think it was Warner Brothers. Yeah. 830 00:41:58.079 --> 00:41:58.900 That's where we are now. 831 00:41:58.940 --> 00:41:59.300 Yeah. 832 00:41:59.320 --> 00:42:00.239 This is Warner Brothers. 833 00:42:00.260 --> 00:42:02.780 This woman asked me, you know, she's saying, you know, 834 00:42:02.820 --> 00:42:05.239 talking about a particular show that she's worked on. She says, 835 00:42:05.280 --> 00:42:07.949 very popular in Australia. I'm not sure how popular it 836 00:42:08.030 --> 00:42:09.050 is in Tanzania. 837 00:42:09.329 --> 00:42:09.690 Oh, no. 838 00:42:09.869 --> 00:42:17.840 Oh, no. Neither am I. Yeah. We love rules. 839 00:42:18.139 --> 00:42:20.280 We have rules, yes. They were very into rules and 840 00:42:20.300 --> 00:42:23.760

they kept saying, you know. We're very needy. Very needy 841 00:42:23.800 --> 00:42:26.409 and they give this impression that they're eating prawns. 842 00:42:26.570 --> 00:42:28.190 Do you like us? Do you like us? 843 00:42:28.210 --> 00:42:29.230 What do you think of Australia? 844 00:42:29.250 --> 00:42:30.989 Do you like us? What do you think? 845 00:42:31.010 --> 00:42:33.469 We're all right, aren't we? We're all right. Good on you. 846 00:42:33.639 --> 00:42:34.519 Are you good on us? 847 00:42:34.760 --> 00:42:34.980 Yeah. 848 00:42:35.800 --> 00:42:39.219 I love that, that they were very, very, very interested in, no, 849 00:42:39.260 --> 00:42:41.840 this closes at this time, and no, you can't, we 850 00:42:41.860 --> 00:42:44.389 don't serve after this, and these are the rules, and 851 00:42:44.409 --> 00:42:47.590 this is the district that you're in, and you must behave. 852 00:42:47.730 --> 00:42:51.409 Did you go to the Hunger Games by mistake? I did. 853 00:42:51.590 --> 00:42:56.960 There was a long train, and Woody Harrelson was there. Yeah, that's... Australia. Australia. 854 00:42:57.949 --> 00:43:00.969 I mean, this is a frightening tourism ad you've seen. 855 00:43:01.070 --> 00:43:04.610 I know, yeah. They yelled at me about fosters, and 856 00:43:04.869 --> 00:43:07.090 they yelled at me about a shrimp, not a prawn, 857 00:43:07.710 --> 00:43:08.809 and I was scarred for life. 858 00:43:09.269 --> 00:43:12.500 Yeah, well, dig deep into that well. For your comedy. 859 00:43:12.800 --> 00:43:13.599 That's going to be. 860 00:43:13.719 --> 00:43:16.039 That's your well of pain. 861 00:43:16.119 --> 00:43:19.719 Oh, wait till you see my hour 15 minute show 862 00:43:19.760 --> 00:43:22.619 about how I was deceived by Australian commercials in the 863 00:43:22.820 --> 00:43:23.340 late 70s. 864 00:43:23.960 --> 00:43:25.659 The last 15 minutes, pin drop. 865 00:43:27.139 --> 00:43:30.320 I did want to thank you for busting the myth 866 00:43:30.599 --> 00:43:34.090 and I believe you that pain is necessary for art 867 00:43:34.510 --> 00:43:37.429 and for inspiration because that has been one of the 868 00:43:37.449 --> 00:43:40.710 big struggles in my life is for years I refused 869 00:43:40.889 --> 00:43:44.969 to seek any help because I thought, no, I need 870 00:43:45.010 --> 00:43:47.409 this to be funny. And then I finally got to 871 00:43:47.449 --> 00:43:49.909 a point where I thought, whether I'm funny or not, 872 00:43:49.949 --> 00:43:53.920 I don't care. I don't want to be unhappy anymore. 873 00:43:54.039 --> 00:43:55.179 Pain's always going to find you. 874 00:43:55.460 --> 00:43:56.039 You know what I mean? 875 00:43:56.059 --> 00:43:57.550 Like it's life. That's what it is. 876 00:43:57.559 --> 00:43:58.739 You don't have to go looking for it. 877 00:43:59.000 --> 00:44:01.260 And especially not staying in it. I think there's a 878 00:44:01.340 --> 00:44:03.260 lot of particular, I know a lot of comedians who 879 00:44:03.280 --> 00:44:05.900 are like, I don't think I'll go on antidepressants. That's 880 00:44:06.079 --> 00:44:11.159 where my funny is. And I'm like, yeah, that's not funny. Right. 881 00:44:11.900 --> 00:44:13.079 It's harmful. 882 00:44:13.420 --> 00:44:14.280 Yeah. 883 00:44:14.699 --> 00:44:17.440 But, you know, a couple of shows down the track, 884 00:44:17.480 --> 00:44:18.860 I'll just be doing prop comedy. 885 00:44:19.550 --> 00:44:21.550 I love it. 886 00:44:21.570 --> 00:44:23.090 And that's when the issues really set in. 887 00:44:23.210 --> 00:44:26.489 You're going to work out your real pain with prop comedy? 888 00:44:26.789 --> 00:44:31.429 I love it. No, that's where the emptiness grows. Well, 889 00:44:31.449 --> 00:44:32.250 that's very different. 890 00:44:32.789 --> 00:44:33.849 Yeah. 891 00:44:34.320 --> 00:44:36.300 It's an honor to talk to you. It really is. 892 00:44:36.639 --> 00:44:40.920 And the name of the show, it's this throwaway line 893 00:44:40.960 --> 00:44:43.860 about Conan O'Brien needs a friend. The truth is that 894 00:44:44.599 --> 00:44:49.360 I really do value meeting people that I admire who've 895 00:44:49.380 --> 00:44:52.260 done something I think profound and getting to talk to 896 00:44:52.280 --> 00:44:54.280 them and even just be their friend for an hour 897 00:44:54.360 --> 00:44:56.329 means a lot to me. So this is a big 898 00:44:56.349 --> 00:44:56.849 deal for me. 899 00:44:57.070 --> 00:44:59.449 I think likewise. It's been a treat. 900 00:45:00.030 --> 00:45:00.969 There you go. 901 00:45:01.349 --> 00:45:06.829 It's been a podcast equivalent of a Foster's and prawn. 902 00:45:08.010 --> 00:45:12.039 We're going to get money from you. See, now you 903 00:45:12.059 --> 00:45:13.719 sound Australian. Yeah, much better. 904 00:45:14.460 --> 00:45:15.019 Oh, I hate it. 905 00:45:15.019 --> 00:45:18.119 All right, thank you very much. And a gasp. Thank you. 906 00:45:18.840 --> 00:45:22.119 A new McDonald's side mission has been unlocked. 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00:45:55.030 --> 00:45:57.809 And with three for two across selected vitamins and wellness supplements, 920 00:45:58.050 --> 00:46:01.110 including brands like Habby and Revive Active, you can really 921 00:46:01.190 --> 00:46:02.989 afford to give it some Boots. 922 00:46:03.659 --> 00:46:06.559 Selected stores only. Subject to availability. Cheapest free. Food supplements 923 00:46:06.579 --> 00:46:08.460 should not replace a healthy diet and an active lifestyle. 924 00:46:14.050 --> 00:46:15.690 Hey, we haven't done this in a while. Let's do 925 00:46:15.949 --> 00:46:19.070 review the reviewers. So these are some of the iTunes reviews. 926 00:46:19.110 --> 00:46:20.750 They're all five stars that I have here. 927 00:46:20.789 --> 00:46:21.269 Nice. 928 00:46:21.429 --> 00:46:22.590 Congrats. 929 00:46:22.659 --> 00:46:24.219 I'm sure there are others that are less than five 930 00:46:24.260 --> 00:46:25.079 and you didn't pick those. 931 00:46:25.360 --> 00:46:28.179 Well, why would I? Those people should burn in their 932 00:46:28.199 --> 00:46:30.659 own special hell. Why don't you say there are none? 933 00:46:35.949 --> 00:46:37.480 Why am I like who? 934 00:46:37.639 --> 00:46:39.280 I don't know. Damaged inside? 935 00:46:39.500 --> 00:46:39.800 Yes. 936 00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:42.280 Well, let's call my parents now. 937 00:46:43.860 --> 00:46:47.110 Speaking of that, Best Out There, five stars by Elbow68, 938 00:46:47.929 --> 00:46:50.210 and their review is, Good job, honey. 939 00:46:50.510 --> 00:46:50.829 Mom. 940 00:46:51.210 --> 00:46:51.269 Oh. 941 00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:54.900 Well, my mom has never used a computer in her life, 942 00:46:55.199 --> 00:46:57.039 so that's not coming from my mom. Is that what 943 00:46:57.059 --> 00:46:59.900 this person's implying? I guess, yeah. No, my mom... She's 944 00:46:59.960 --> 00:47:02.340 a brilliant woman. Yeah, but she doesn't use computers, and 945 00:47:02.360 --> 00:47:04.159 if you gave her a computer, she would try to 946 00:47:04.239 --> 00:47:08.550 microwave a ham sandwich with it. So that's not from 947 00:47:08.570 --> 00:47:15.719 my mother. Sorry, nice try, Elbow68. Lulu Kachu says, wish 948 00:47:15.780 --> 00:47:17.480 I could be Conan's friend. Five stars. 949 00:47:17.840 --> 00:47:20.019 The podcast is amazing because I get to listen to 950 00:47:20.059 --> 00:47:23.159 my favorite comedian slash celebrity just talk and be funny 951 00:47:23.199 --> 00:47:25.179 and learn more about his life and the lives of 952 00:47:25.250 --> 00:47:27.429 people in comedy. I love learning, and who better to 953 00:47:27.489 --> 00:47:29.949 learn from than sexy Professor O'Brien? 954 00:47:30.090 --> 00:47:32.530 See, can I say something? That's someone who sees me 955 00:47:32.630 --> 00:47:37.789 as being sexual. So I don't understand this riff you 956 00:47:37.809 --> 00:47:40.860 guys have going that I'm, you know, oh, gross, Conan, 957 00:47:40.909 --> 00:47:43.900 how could

he ever be sexual? I'm a highly sexualized being. 958 00:47:44.000 --> 00:47:46.039 If you listen to the last episode, we talked, well, 959 00:47:46.079 --> 00:47:47.820 we were grossed out by you being sexual. 960 00:47:48.019 --> 00:47:48.260 Yeah. 961 00:47:48.300 --> 00:47:53.159 Yes. In general, most people are grossed out when I, 962 00:47:53.460 --> 00:47:56.099 in any way, intimate that I may at one point. 963 00:47:56.159 --> 00:47:57.159 I don't think that's true. 964 00:47:57.699 --> 00:47:58.239 Well, my wife. 965 00:47:59.480 --> 00:47:59.559 Oh. 966 00:47:59.980 --> 00:48:00.219 Horrified. 967 00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:02.719 When Goldblum was in here. Yeah. I mean, he pulls 968 00:48:02.780 --> 00:48:04.039 it off. You know what? I have to say, there 969 00:48:04.099 --> 00:48:06.159 is a sexual energy between Jeff Goldblum and I, and 970 00:48:06.179 --> 00:48:09.179 I'm not even kidding. Something's going on there. Mm-hmm. And 971 00:48:09.619 --> 00:48:13.989 I am a heterosexual male, but there's something going on there. 972 00:48:14.030 --> 00:48:14.550 You'd hit that. 973 00:48:14.829 --> 00:48:15.570 I'd hit that hard. 974 00:48:15.869 --> 00:48:16.090 Yeah. 975 00:48:16.269 --> 00:48:16.610 Yeah. 976 00:48:16.889 --> 00:48:18.610 Take a Louisville slugger to that. 977 00:48:19.110 --> 00:48:19.849 What? What? 978 00:48:20.190 --> 00:48:22.329 That's as if you could murder him. Why don't you 979 00:48:22.369 --> 00:48:27.670 stick to collecting presidential memorabilia and making wildly different fashion 980 00:48:27.690 --> 00:48:29.710 choices every time you come into this podcast space? For 981 00:48:29.730 --> 00:48:30.369 fuck's sake. 982 00:48:30.710 --> 00:48:30.989 Yeah. 983 00:48:31.110 --> 00:48:34.610 Oh, look, what's tomorrow? A pork pie hat? Oh, my God. Hey, look, 984 00:48:34.630 --> 00:48:37.840 he's wearing a World War I German helmet and golf shoes. 985 00:48:38.579 --> 00:48:40.780 I don't know. You're never the same guy two days 986 00:48:40.820 --> 00:48:42.500 in a row. What are you talking about? This is 987 00:48:42.519 --> 00:48:45.980 a very different look. I'm wearing a polo shirt. I know. 988 00:48:46.340 --> 00:48:49.280 But then two days ago, you're like an architect from 989 00:48:49.300 --> 00:48:49.809 the 20s. 990 00:48:50.159 --> 00:48:53.019 You're never the same. And you are dressed in the 991 00:48:53.059 --> 00:48:55.369 same uniform every time. Yes, because I came right from 992 00:48:55.389 --> 00:48:57.769 doing my show where I, in fact, wear a uniform. 993 00:48:57.809 --> 00:49:00.230 So nice thing for yelling at the ER doctor. for, hey, 994 00:49:00.269 --> 00:49:02.809 you're always in scrubs. I don't get it, ER doctor. 995 00:49:02.829 --> 00:49:04.949 Why are you always in scrubs? Why don't you change 996 00:49:04.989 --> 00:49:05.550 it up a little bit? 997 00:49:05.570 --> 00:49:07.900 Because I don't want to infect the patient whose brain 998 00:49:07.940 --> 00:49:08.760 I'm operating on. 999 00:49:08.820 --> 00:49:10.619 I'm just going to come in and dick his coveralls 1000 00:49:10.659 --> 00:49:11.260 from now on. 1001 00:49:11.360 --> 00:49:13.300 No, what I'm saying is pick a look and stick 1002 00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:15.050 to it. It's very confusing. I'm trying to get... No, 1003 00:49:15.050 --> 00:49:17.130 first of all, no. No, yes. I don't have to 1004 00:49:17.170 --> 00:49:18.690 stick to a look. Yes, you do. I can express 1005 00:49:18.730 --> 00:49:22.869 myself through sartorial. ways. Listen, first of all, you're cocky 1006 00:49:22.909 --> 00:49:25.469 because you know there's 900 other podcasts that you have 1007 00:49:25.769 --> 00:49:28.739 going at this time. You come in, and it's like, oh, look, 1008 00:49:28.800 --> 00:49:31.480 Gorley's a beekeeper. He's got a full net over his head. 1009 00:49:31.519 --> 00:49:35.760 Who's he going to be tomorrow? Hey, look, he's the 1010 00:49:35.800 --> 00:49:38.820 ambassador to Finland, and it's 1911. Hey, look, he's an 1011 00:49:38.860 --> 00:49:41.900 Arctic explorer. What am I wearing? No, today's is very different. 1012 00:49:41.920 --> 00:49:45.130 Matt is wearing jeans and a nice, sensible polo shirt. 1013 00:49:45.150 --> 00:49:47.349 Hold up the sweater you were wearing when you came in. 1014 00:49:47.369 --> 00:49:49.510 I didn't realize. Yeah, it's a sweater. 1015 00:49:49.650 --> 00:49:50.050 Yeah. 1016 00:49:50.130 --> 00:49:51.389 I didn't realize you were in the IRA, and you 1017 00:49:51.409 --> 00:49:53.449 were blowing up bridges. That's so cool. That's a nice shot. 1018 00:49:53.469 --> 00:49:53.710 Oh, my God. 1019 00:49:54.840 --> 00:49:58.619 You suffering bastards. Until the Brits are out. I'll show 1020 00:49:58.639 --> 00:50:01.039 you how. Listen, Gorley, I like that you take chances 1021 00:50:01.099 --> 00:50:03.780 and you take wildly different chances. Today, you're just being 1022 00:50:03.820 --> 00:50:06.579 a different person. That's all. Acting like I'm Lady Gaga 1023 00:50:06.599 --> 00:50:09.820 or something. I mean, I'm just wearing pants and a shirt. Whatever. 1024 00:50:09.920 --> 00:50:11.860 The point is not what you're wearing today. It's that 1025 00:50:11.900 --> 00:50:15.960 it changes wildly. It doesn't change wildly. It does change wildly. 1026 00:50:16.059 --> 00:50:18.920 Don't you dare ever speak when I'm speaking. The idea 1027 00:50:18.940 --> 00:50:20.960 of a podcast with three people is that only one 1028 00:50:21.039 --> 00:50:23.800 speaks and the other two listen in reverence. 1029 00:50:24.460 --> 00:50:25.460 In reverence? 1030 00:50:25.500 --> 00:50:29.550 In reverence. You hired the wrong people. 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