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Gregory’s CI Story: Achieving Results Faster Than You Think!

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WEBVTT 00:00:13.050 --> 00:00:16.649 Hello everyone and welcome to CI Stories. How 00:00:16.649 --> 00:00:22.070 is everybody doing today? Go ahead if you have 00:00:22.070 --> 00:00:25.730 questions for our guest today, Gregory Schwab, 00:00:25.809 --> 00:00:28.109 you can put them in the chat if you're watching 00:00:28.109 --> 00:00:30.309 live or you can go ahead and put them in the 00:00:30.309 --> 00:00:33.539 comments if you're watching on the replay. Um, 00:00:33.659 --> 00:00:35.700 I'm excited to have our guests, but before we 00:00:35.700 --> 00:00:37.700 get there, let me go ahead and just give you 00:00:37.700 --> 00:00:40.560 a couple of heads up this Saturday. Let me go 00:00:40.560 --> 00:00:42.200 ahead and put the link in there where I'm thinking 00:00:42.200 --> 00:00:48.259 about it this Saturday assessment. I think that's 00:00:48.259 --> 00:00:51.390 the link. Let me double check that. Um, We have 00:00:51.390 --> 00:00:54.770 a $7 webinar going on this Saturday, 8 a .m. 00:00:54.770 --> 00:00:59.929 Pacific, 11 a .m. Eastern. You can register there. 00:01:00.049 --> 00:01:03.770 Yep, that's the right link. It's Saturday. So 00:01:03.770 --> 00:01:06.930 if you would like, oops, that's not what I wanted 00:01:06.930 --> 00:01:09.530 to show up there. That's not it. This is what 00:01:09.530 --> 00:01:12.829 should have been up there. There we go. If you're 00:01:12.829 --> 00:01:15.109 interested in joining us, it's about assessments. 00:01:17.709 --> 00:01:20.409 Assessments without tears, basically. So if you 00:01:20.409 --> 00:01:21.989 want to learn about more proficiency -based, 00:01:22.030 --> 00:01:24.909 CI -based assessments, you're welcome to come 00:01:24.909 --> 00:01:27.549 and join us there. You can register right there 00:01:27.549 --> 00:01:32.370 at mm .us slash assessments. We're continuing 00:01:32.370 --> 00:01:36.790 our $7 webinar series about one to two a month. 00:01:37.030 --> 00:01:38.989 So keep an eye out if that's something you're 00:01:38.989 --> 00:01:42.209 interested in to be able to get in an hour's 00:01:42.209 --> 00:01:45.510 worth of training for just $7. And with that, 00:01:45.510 --> 00:01:48.250 we are coming at you. you I'm from California 00:01:48.250 --> 00:01:51.609 and we've got Gregory Schwab from the Chicago 00:01:51.609 --> 00:01:56.209 Illinois area and we will introduce him and just 00:01:56.209 --> 00:01:58.090 get him on the screen in just a moment and let 00:01:58.090 --> 00:02:02.230 him tell you a little bit about himself and get 00:02:02.230 --> 00:02:04.430 us get started again if you have any questions 00:02:04.430 --> 00:02:06.409 please feel free to put them in the chat let 00:02:06.409 --> 00:02:12.550 us know here we go and welcome Gregory how are 00:02:12.550 --> 00:02:15.520 you doing tonight Great. Yeah. Thanks for having 00:02:15.520 --> 00:02:18.180 me on. Excited to be on tonight. You're very 00:02:18.180 --> 00:02:20.539 welcome. Been excited to have you on, actually. 00:02:20.620 --> 00:02:22.800 I've been loving this series, getting to know 00:02:22.800 --> 00:02:25.180 some more teachers and their experiences with 00:02:25.180 --> 00:02:27.939 CI and how they came about that way. So you want 00:02:27.939 --> 00:02:30.159 to tell us a little bit about yourself? Yes. 00:02:30.460 --> 00:02:33.139 So I'm a Spanish teacher. I'm also a department 00:02:33.139 --> 00:02:36.240 chair. I teach at Carmel Catholic High School 00:02:36.240 --> 00:02:38.900 in Mundelein, Illinois, which is about 30 miles. 00:02:39.599 --> 00:02:42.120 north of Chicago. So it's in the northern suburbs 00:02:42.120 --> 00:02:45.039 of Chicago. It's about an hour from Milwaukee. 00:02:45.620 --> 00:02:49.240 So I've been there for, I believe this is my 00:02:49.240 --> 00:02:53.699 13th year. I've been teaching with comprehensible 00:02:53.699 --> 00:02:58.080 input since 2015. I think that was the year that 00:02:58.080 --> 00:03:01.939 second semester I discovered CI. So yeah, and 00:03:01.939 --> 00:03:06.939 our department is a CI department. Thankfully, 00:03:07.000 --> 00:03:10.020 over the years, we have been able to acquire 00:03:10.020 --> 00:03:13.199 some really talented teachers, and we've kind 00:03:13.199 --> 00:03:18.599 of run with this methodology. Awesome. What first 00:03:18.599 --> 00:03:21.439 got you into CI? What made you even look into 00:03:21.439 --> 00:03:24.379 it or think about it? Well, that's a long story. 00:03:24.460 --> 00:03:27.240 So when I first was teaching at our school, we 00:03:27.240 --> 00:03:29.860 used to have three tracks for students. We would 00:03:29.860 --> 00:03:33.539 have... a track for um like struggling students 00:03:33.539 --> 00:03:36.219 that we called like college prep then we had 00:03:36.219 --> 00:03:38.759 like the standard level which we called upper 00:03:38.759 --> 00:03:42.039 college prep and then we had honors so that year 00:03:42.039 --> 00:03:45.080 i was uh assigned to teach the uh college prep 00:03:45.080 --> 00:03:50.379 level um and uh it was not going well uh you 00:03:50.379 --> 00:03:52.620 know i had like a ton of problems with classroom 00:03:52.620 --> 00:03:56.900 management and uh you know students were not 00:03:56.900 --> 00:03:59.039 learning we were using the descubre textbook 00:03:59.039 --> 00:04:02.080 so the idea was in the standard program like 00:04:02.080 --> 00:04:05.419 spanish one we would use uh you know the spanish 00:04:05.419 --> 00:04:10.219 one textbook for this uh like lower track what 00:04:10.219 --> 00:04:12.219 we would do is we would take the spanish one 00:04:12.219 --> 00:04:15.060 textbook and teach that over a course of two 00:04:15.060 --> 00:04:17.519 years so we would go through the vocab and the 00:04:17.519 --> 00:04:21.560 grammar uh units and the idea was is that you 00:04:21.560 --> 00:04:23.459 know maybe these kids have dis you know like 00:04:23.459 --> 00:04:26.399 learning disabilities so that
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they can't you 00:04:26.399 --> 00:04:28.800 know learn a second language so we we have to 00:04:28.800 --> 00:04:32.220 go real slow with the curriculum and and just 00:04:32.220 --> 00:04:34.720 take the spanish one and stretch it out you know 00:04:34.720 --> 00:04:36.980 over two years and and i knew something you know 00:04:36.980 --> 00:04:39.100 was not right with this you know i mean obviously 00:04:39.100 --> 00:04:41.639 we were operating under the wrong information 00:04:41.639 --> 00:04:46.389 uh but anyway uh The kids were not responding 00:04:46.389 --> 00:04:50.089 to it, to my teaching, like they were when I 00:04:50.089 --> 00:04:53.269 used to teach honors. And it was going really 00:04:53.269 --> 00:04:55.629 horribly. And I made it to Christmas break, and 00:04:55.629 --> 00:04:57.850 I was just like, I don't know how I'm going to 00:04:57.850 --> 00:05:01.449 survive the rest of the year. So I started searching 00:05:01.449 --> 00:05:06.250 on YouTube, and I found, and I didn't know about 00:05:06.250 --> 00:05:08.589 him at this time, I found Dr. Stephen Krashen. 00:05:09.160 --> 00:05:13.860 So I binge watched all Dr. Stephen Krashen's 00:05:13.860 --> 00:05:16.939 videos that were available on YouTube. And finally, 00:05:16.959 --> 00:05:20.459 I was like, OK, I'm convinced this is it. But 00:05:20.459 --> 00:05:23.639 what do you do in the classroom? So after a lot 00:05:23.639 --> 00:05:26.600 of Google searches, I found his contact information 00:05:26.600 --> 00:05:30.180 and I sent him an email and I said, I am totally 00:05:30.180 --> 00:05:33.680 sold on your theories and your research. What 00:05:33.680 --> 00:05:36.199 do I do in the classroom? And he told me, he 00:05:36.199 --> 00:05:37.899 said, look, you need to get over to a Blaine 00:05:37.899 --> 00:05:41.100 Ray seminar. So I signed up for a Blaine Ray 00:05:41.100 --> 00:05:46.779 seminar, and it was that March. And it was the 00:05:46.779 --> 00:05:50.220 first time experiencing TPRS. I remember Blaine 00:05:50.220 --> 00:05:54.240 did the German demo. And, like, I was able to 00:05:54.240 --> 00:05:58.920 write, like, 20 to 25 words in German after going 00:05:58.920 --> 00:06:02.339 through those demos. I mean, it was mind -blowing. 00:06:02.399 --> 00:06:05.879 And I remember another teacher, Haiyun Liu. She's 00:06:05.879 --> 00:06:09.350 a Chinese teacher. up in Milwaukee. She was there 00:06:09.350 --> 00:06:13.050 and Blaine did the Cecilia and El Balcon movie 00:06:13.050 --> 00:06:16.410 talk. Yeah. And it was just like, I knew that 00:06:16.410 --> 00:06:19.970 after that seminar, like I can't go back to the 00:06:19.970 --> 00:06:23.009 textbook, but I was bound to the textbook. So 00:06:23.009 --> 00:06:25.170 I remember how you and Lou told me, well, why 00:06:25.170 --> 00:06:27.050 don't you just write stories based on the textbook? 00:06:27.250 --> 00:06:30.509 So, so that's what I did. And so, but it was, 00:06:30.509 --> 00:06:34.290 it
was bad TPRS, let's say, but the kids liked 00:06:34.290 --> 00:06:38.800 it so much more than, you know, the textbook. 00:06:38.980 --> 00:06:40.939 And so I even wrote like a little mini novel 00:06:40.939 --> 00:06:44.000 based on, you know, the Descubre textbook vocabulary. 00:06:44.199 --> 00:06:47.699 And yeah, so the students really liked it. Somehow 00:06:47.699 --> 00:06:52.379 I missed, you know, CI, TPRS, Dr. Krashen in 00:06:52.379 --> 00:06:55.339 my undergraduate studies. It's interesting because 00:06:55.339 --> 00:06:57.519 the first school I taught at, which was, you 00:06:57.519 --> 00:06:59.699 know, kind of, you know, grammar based, we used 00:06:59.699 --> 00:07:04.120 to watch Senor Wooley. And I was actually in 00:07:04.120 --> 00:07:08.000 a Senor Wooley video. you know, prior to teaching 00:07:08.000 --> 00:07:10.180 at my current school. And there were a bunch 00:07:10.180 --> 00:07:13.480 of CI teachers there, but I had no idea about 00:07:13.480 --> 00:07:16.500 CI. It was really weird now looking back, you 00:07:16.500 --> 00:07:20.240 know. But yeah, it was Dr. Stephen Krashen that, 00:07:20.300 --> 00:07:23.300 you know, recommended Blaine Ray. Then I started 00:07:23.300 --> 00:07:25.800 gobbling that up. I started doing movie talks. 00:07:27.040 --> 00:07:30.680 You know, I really felt like TPRS though was 00:07:30.680 --> 00:07:32.839 super hard. I tried to do the three location 00:07:32.839 --> 00:07:35.949 thing and it... It just, it was flopping. So 00:07:35.949 --> 00:07:41.750 I mainly relied on movie talks. And then fast 00:07:41.750 --> 00:07:46.850 forward to 2017, I had just gone to NTPRS in 00:07:46.850 --> 00:07:49.430 San Antonio and, you know, it was good. I learned 00:07:49.430 --> 00:07:55.629 a lot, but, you know, I got an email that Ben 00:07:55.629 --> 00:08:01.050 Slavik was coming to a Chicago school. And, you 00:08:01.050 --> 00:08:03.490 know, I asked my... assistant principal at the 00:08:03.490 --> 00:08:06.910 time, hey, can I go to this, you know, this conference 00:08:06.910 --> 00:08:09.129 too? I had already used up like the professional 00:08:09.129 --> 00:08:11.550 development funds. But yeah, she said, yeah, 00:08:11.589 --> 00:08:13.529 yeah, we'll find funds for you. So I went to 00:08:13.529 --> 00:08:17.209 that. And I had no idea what I was going to experience 00:08:17.209 --> 00:08:21.829 with Ben Slavik's Invisibles. And that three 00:08:21.829 --> 00:08:24.569 day conference just blew my mind. And I decided 00:08:24.569 --> 00:08:27.089 that I was going to actually drop everything 00:08:27.089 --> 00:08:29.529 that I not well, not everything, but you know, 00:08:29.529 --> 00:08:32.019 I was going to drop what I learned. at NTPRS 00:08:32.019 --> 00:08:34.779 and just go with the invisibles. And so I've 00:08:34.779 --> 00:08:36.899 been teaching, well, Ben now calls it the star 00:08:36.899 --> 00:08:38.940 approach. So I've been teaching with the star 00:08:38.940 --> 00:08:42.220 approach pretty much exclusively since 2017. 00:08:44.179 --> 00:08:46.639 You know, I do movie talks and stuff like that. 00:08:46.700 --> 00:08:50.600 But I mean, I'm really drinking the Ben Slavitt 00:08:50.600 --> 00:08:53.639 Kool -Aid. You know, I've been, Ben has kind 00:08:53.639 --> 00:08:57.730 of been a mentor to me. I've talked to him on 00:08:57.730 --> 00:09:00.490 the phone. He's coached me through things. I've 00:09:00.490 --> 00:09:02.690 been part of his professional learning community, 00:09:02.970 --> 00:09:09.149 read all of his books. So for me, like Ben Slavik's 00:09:09.149 --> 00:09:12.850 Invisibles, that's the way to go. And of course, 00:09:12.850 --> 00:09:15.190 everybody in CI says that their way is the way 00:09:15.190 --> 00:09:19.289 to go. I realize that. But it really is like 00:09:19.289 --> 00:09:22.570 the Invisibles. I really feel like if I have 00:09:22.570 --> 00:09:25.580 not found the Invisibles, Well, first finding 00:09:25.580 --> 00:09:27.919 CI, but then finding the invisibles, I probably 00:09:27.919 --> 00:09:30.700 would have changed careers. You know, you've 00:09:30.700 --> 00:09:32.179 talked about a couple of things. So I'm only 00:09:32.179 --> 00:09:35.159 touching a couple of them because I have a similar 00:09:35.159 --> 00:09:38.600 experience with you. I started teaching in 2001 00:09:38.600 --> 00:09:42.559 on an emergency permit. And for those who don't 00:09:42.559 --> 00:09:45.019 know, it means I had no teaching experience and 00:09:45.019 --> 00:09:47.840 no teaching school. I just had a B .A., but they 00:09:47.840 --> 00:09:50.820 were desperate for a teacher. So I got hired 00:09:50.820 --> 00:09:53.919 and then I would started. But my first year, 00:09:53.980 --> 00:09:55.299 I didn't even go to teacher school. I didn't 00:09:55.299 --> 00:09:57.700 go to my teacher school until after. In California, 00:09:57.720 --> 00:10:00.919 you get a bachelor's first, then you go to teacher 00:10:00.919 --> 00:10:03.360 school after. I know my sister got her teaching 00:10:03.360 --> 00:10:05.259 degree in Michigan, and they get it simultaneously 00:10:05.259 --> 00:10:08.539 with their bachelor's. But California, you don't. 00:10:08.539 --> 00:10:10.120 You have to get your bachelor's first, then you 00:10:10.120 --> 00:10:12.340 apply. So I didn't have any teaching experience, 00:10:12.440 --> 00:10:15.200 and I went in there, and I sucked. I taught how 00:10:15.200 --> 00:10:18.090 I was taught. um using the textbook and i was 00:10:18.090 --> 00:10:20.889 bored and my kids were bored and i barely could 00:10:20.889 --> 00:10:22.830 stay awake myself and i only taught two periods 00:10:22.830 --> 00:10:25.450 that year i was just hired part -time and i knew 00:10:25.450 --> 00:10:27.210 something had to change or i'm like there's no 00:10:27.210 --> 00:10:29.710 way i'm doing this for 30 years i am bored already 00:10:29.710 --> 00:10:33.809 and i'm only teaching two
periods a day um so 00:10:33.809 --> 00:10:36.309 i researched myself this was before there was 00:10:36.309 --> 00:10:40.909 youtube and i found um blaine ray like you did 00:10:40.909 --> 00:10:43.509 but i found his stuff and i bought all the stuff 00:10:43.509 --> 00:10:46.659 out of my own pocket And I absorbed it as much 00:10:46.659 --> 00:10:48.720 as possible. We were using a textbook. The textbook 00:10:48.720 --> 00:10:52.620 that we were using was Yavadas, a very old textbook. 00:10:53.159 --> 00:10:56.100 And I remember that first chapter that I had 00:10:56.100 --> 00:10:58.639 to teach because I switched over after winter 00:10:58.639 --> 00:11:00.440 break. Second semester is when I went. I went 00:11:00.440 --> 00:11:03.360 full hog. I had no training and there was no 00:11:03.360 --> 00:11:05.940 YouTube. So I didn't see anything done. We had 00:11:05.940 --> 00:11:07.820 something like the Facebook group, but it was 00:11:07.820 --> 00:11:10.299 a Yahoo group at the time. And it was done very 00:11:10.299 --> 00:11:12.080 differently. But that's what we used for many, 00:11:12.159 --> 00:11:16.289 many years before Facebook came along. Um, and 00:11:16.289 --> 00:11:18.669 I went whole hog in there. I was one of those 00:11:18.669 --> 00:11:21.350 who jumped headfirst and went all in. And I remember 00:11:21.350 --> 00:11:24.610 I had to teach, we were teaching the, um, the 00:11:24.610 --> 00:11:27.389 vacation chapter and I teach stupid words like, 00:11:27.409 --> 00:11:32.309 um, seaweed and what's the word in English? Seagull. 00:11:32.570 --> 00:11:35.049 And I'm like, what, when is my kids ever going 00:11:35.049 --> 00:11:38.850 to use the word seaweed or seagull? So it was 00:11:38.850 --> 00:11:41.220 a really. I just went and looked through all 00:11:41.220 --> 00:11:43.320 of Blaine's books to find out, because those 00:11:43.320 --> 00:11:44.860 were the only books we had, and we only had a 00:11:44.860 --> 00:11:48.799 few CI novels all written by Blaine. And so I 00:11:48.799 --> 00:11:52.279 looked through all of the ones he had and found 00:11:52.279 --> 00:11:53.960 anything that had anything that was vacation 00:11:53.960 --> 00:11:56.940 in it, and then I just changed out the words. 00:11:57.120 --> 00:12:00.159 And I remember I had this kid, Bevan. Bevan Young, 00:12:00.299 --> 00:12:03.299 I still remember him. I was asking, I go, we 00:12:03.299 --> 00:12:05.500 need a gesture for seaweed, and I couldn't think 00:12:05.500 --> 00:12:09.019 of a gesture for seaweed. And he said, Profit. 00:12:09.019 --> 00:12:17.620 It is so simple. He's like, see, we. And I'm 00:12:17.620 --> 00:12:19.519 like, no, Bevan, that's not what we're doing. 00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:22.980 And so we ended up doing this, waving our arms 00:12:22.980 --> 00:12:25.799 like seaweed floating in the ocean. But it was 00:12:25.799 --> 00:12:27.799 just funny. But you're right. The engagement 00:12:27.799 --> 00:12:31.519 went completely up at that point. And my principal 00:12:31.519 --> 00:12:34.840 was really impressed. And I did this, you know, 00:12:34.879 --> 00:12:37.059 for, I was at that school for four years before 00:12:37.059 --> 00:12:38.919 I got laid off. You know, the economy got bad 00:12:38.919 --> 00:12:43.240 in California and I moved to Nevada. And in Nevada, 00:12:43.399 --> 00:12:46.080 I still hadn't done, well, you know, you were 00:12:46.080 --> 00:12:49.159 talking about the three steps of TPRS. When I 00:12:49.159 --> 00:12:52.539 started, there were seven. Oh, wow. And there's 00:12:52.539 --> 00:12:54.419 a lot, there's a lot that had to go in there. 00:12:54.460 --> 00:12:56.500 And we had no circling. None of that stuff was, 00:12:56.519 --> 00:12:59.419 it's very different from what it was back with 00:12:59.419 --> 00:13:02.440 the three steps. Very different. And one of the 00:13:02.440 --> 00:13:05.539 steps was PQA and I didn't get it because I am 00:13:05.539 --> 00:13:08.700 not one for jargon and PQA is jargon. Personalized 00:13:08.700 --> 00:13:10.980 question. I'm like, the textbook has those. What's 00:13:10.980 --> 00:13:13.500 the difference? I never got it because when you 00:13:13.500 --> 00:13:16.659 go to a workshop, they never really demo that 00:13:16.659 --> 00:13:20.139 part. They go right to the story. So I always, 00:13:20.179 --> 00:13:22.840 so I felt very uncomfortable and so I didn't 00:13:22.840 --> 00:13:26.960 do it. And then I read Glenn Slavik's book, PQA 00:13:26.960 --> 00:13:31.110 in a week. And I'm like. Dang, this is just small 00:13:31.110 --> 00:13:34.009 talk. That's all it is. And so I call it what 00:13:34.009 --> 00:13:35.830 I really think it is. It's just conversations 00:13:35.830 --> 00:13:38.970 with kids. So I hate the jargon. I don't like 00:13:38.970 --> 00:13:41.730 the circling that those words that scaffolded 00:13:41.730 --> 00:13:44.009 differentiated questioning, you know, just tell 00:13:44.009 --> 00:13:45.730 me what it is. Don't come up with a cute little 00:13:45.730 --> 00:13:49.830 name to describe it. So I learned I read that 00:13:49.830 --> 00:13:52.929 book. I'm like, oh, great. And I went whole hog 00:13:52.929 --> 00:13:56.259 into that because I've got a lot of. I can go 00:13:56.259 --> 00:13:59.039 really deep with that PQA. I can work sports 00:13:59.039 --> 00:14:03.039 and activities for a good four to six weeks on 00:14:03.039 --> 00:14:06.000 a regular hour a day type schedule because I 00:14:06.000 --> 00:14:08.460 go in depth. I keep asking deeper questions. 00:14:08.919 --> 00:14:12.639 And so that's really powerful. I remember finding 00:14:12.639 --> 00:14:17.600 your video on PQA. I think it was like Peliculas 00:14:17.600 --> 00:14:20.500 Romanticas or Peliculas de Horror or something 00:14:20.500 --> 00:14:22.679 like that. And that's how I became acquainted 00:14:22.679 --> 00:14:25.179 with you. And then I signed up for the, I think 00:14:25.179 -->
00:14:29.559 I've done the Webversity twice. Oh, okay. Yeah. 00:14:29.980 --> 00:14:33.840 So. So, yeah. So that's how I got my started. 00:14:33.899 --> 00:14:36.860 But I didn't start the PQA until like year six 00:14:36.860 --> 00:14:40.210 is when I. I got into that because I said, it's 00:14:40.210 --> 00:14:42.190 just a step I like. I couldn't do it. I just 00:14:42.190 --> 00:14:44.070 didn't know what it was. I wasn't clear in my 00:14:44.070 --> 00:14:46.429 mind what it was. But then when it was, it was 00:14:46.429 --> 00:14:48.870 such a powerful thing. It's all personalization 00:14:48.870 --> 00:14:51.129 and kids like to talk about themselves. So it 00:14:51.129 --> 00:14:53.710 was really, really, really successful for me. 00:14:54.399 --> 00:14:56.480 So that's that was kind of how I started kind 00:14:56.480 --> 00:14:58.899 of a little parallel. Yes, I know Ben Slavik 00:14:58.899 --> 00:15:01.539 pretty well as well I don't call him on the phone, 00:15:01.740 --> 00:15:03.440 but we've known each other for many of the workshops. 00:15:03.580 --> 00:15:06.240 We've worked back and forth together Yeah, and 00:15:06.240 --> 00:15:08.559 I'm familiar with his invisibles and stuff. I 00:15:08.559 --> 00:15:12.100 take nowadays. I don't do anything strict Because 00:15:12.100 --> 00:15:16.159 when I started, CI was only TPRS, pretty much. 00:15:16.159 --> 00:15:18.419 That was all it was. And we didn't have movie 00:15:18.419 --> 00:15:19.659 talk. We didn't have picture talk. We didn't 00:15:19.659 --> 00:15:21.220 have invisibles. We didn't have any of those 00:15:21.220 --> 00:15:25.179 kinds of things. And so now that we do, I do 00:15:25.179 --> 00:15:27.919 story, or I'll do a movie talk, or I'll do a 00:15:27.919 --> 00:15:31.179 picture talk. I might do an invisible. I do a 00:15:31.179 --> 00:15:33.840 whole variety of things, which really, they're 00:15:33.840 --> 00:15:37.580 all the same thing. It's a story. It's just different 00:15:37.580 --> 00:15:39.940 ways that you're getting to the story. But the 00:15:39.940 --> 00:15:43.600 kids think it's different. Because it is, you 00:15:43.600 --> 00:15:45.899 know, one time it's a movie. One time it's a 00:15:45.899 --> 00:15:48.340 picture. One time they're creating a character. 00:15:48.639 --> 00:15:50.960 Another time I'm creating a story and asking 00:15:50.960 --> 00:15:54.240 them questions. So it gives a nice variety without 00:15:54.240 --> 00:15:56.360 it really being a variety. It makes it pretty 00:15:56.360 --> 00:15:59.600 easy online. It gives you so many things to be 00:15:59.600 --> 00:16:02.580 able to do. So how did that class turn out once 00:16:02.580 --> 00:16:04.279 you switched? Because you said you were switching 00:16:04.279 --> 00:16:07.779 for that college prep class. Oh, yeah. It got 00:16:07.779 --> 00:16:12.429 a lot better. um yeah and they they bought into 00:16:12.429 --> 00:16:15.789 the storytelling um i actually have some students 00:16:15.789 --> 00:16:17.610 from that class that have come back to visit 00:16:17.610 --> 00:16:21.710 over the years um and they remember like uh we 00:16:21.710 --> 00:16:25.750 we read brandon brown and you know they remember 00:16:25.750 --> 00:16:30.509 that book and we're reading it now yeah so they 00:16:30.509 --> 00:16:32.870 they still come back and they uh you know like 00:16:32.870 --> 00:16:35.450 if from that year if they come back or the siblings 00:16:35.450 --> 00:16:38.210 i have some siblings and relatives of uh those 00:16:38.210 --> 00:16:41.070 students you know So they'll say hi and yeah. 00:16:41.230 --> 00:16:44.490 But we no longer have that level in world languages. 00:16:44.909 --> 00:16:49.289 We found that it didn't really align to the language 00:16:49.289 --> 00:16:52.830 acquisition research. Everybody can learn a language. 00:16:53.590 --> 00:16:57.149 And I mean, unless you had some kind of disability 00:16:57.149 --> 00:17:00.029 that would prevent you from learning a first 00:17:00.029 --> 00:17:04.920 language, then, you know. There's no need for 00:17:04.920 --> 00:17:07.259 some kind of level like that. Because if you 00:17:07.259 --> 00:17:09.380 learned your first language, you acquired your 00:17:09.380 --> 00:17:11.319 first language, then you could acquire a second 00:17:11.319 --> 00:17:14.059 language. Exactly. People say, I can't learn 00:17:14.059 --> 00:17:15.920 a language. You're right. Nobody can learn a 00:17:15.920 --> 00:17:18.680 language, but you can acquire one. And even most 00:17:18.680 --> 00:17:20.920 special needs kids have acquired their first 00:17:20.920 --> 00:17:24.839 language. So if they can do that, they can do 00:17:24.839 --> 00:17:31.019 a second language. And we talked last time. and 00:17:31.019 --> 00:17:33.960 with another person and she talked about how 00:17:33.960 --> 00:17:38.660 she developed a course specifically for severely 00:17:38.660 --> 00:17:42.519 special needs kids and she gets them speaking 00:17:42.519 --> 00:17:45.900 German of all languages albeit at a very low 00:17:45.900 --> 00:17:48.519 level but they're communicating in the language 00:17:48.519 --> 00:17:51.099 and they're having fun and so you don't have 00:17:51.099 --> 00:17:54.660 to differentiate and I always got not stuck with 00:17:54.660 --> 00:17:57.180 but I always got put into all my kids were put 00:17:57.180 --> 00:17:59.880 in um with special needs i got a lot more than 00:17:59.880 --> 00:18:02.539 the average teacher because I wasn't teaching 00:18:02.539 --> 00:18:04.759 with a textbook and my kids were maintaining 00:18:04.759 --> 00:18:07.759 their grades because I'm doing what's just good 00:18:07.759 --> 00:18:11.119 teaching, using different modalities, going with 00:18:11.119 --> 00:18:14.500 the visual, going with the musical, going with 00:18:14.500 --> 00:18:17.819 all different kinds of modalities, which is just 00:18:17.819 --> 00:18:20.140 good teaching. And it
helped those kids keep 00:18:20.140 --> 00:18:22.319 their grades up. So the counselors kept putting 00:18:22.319 --> 00:18:24.200 more and more of those kids in my classroom. 00:18:24.460 --> 00:18:26.619 And as you said, there's really no difference. 00:18:26.680 --> 00:18:28.680 Language acquisition looks the same, whether 00:18:28.680 --> 00:18:32.339 it is for a special needs kid, or uh you know 00:18:32.339 --> 00:18:36.019 uh gifted and talented type of a kid right and 00:18:36.019 --> 00:18:38.339 i believe bill bill van patten has one of his 00:18:38.339 --> 00:18:41.220 uh t with bvp episodes where he he goes over 00:18:41.220 --> 00:18:44.440 that you know so yeah he's another i didn't meet 00:18:44.440 --> 00:18:49.319 him i think it was 2015 in alaska we both were 00:18:49.319 --> 00:18:52.579 keynote speakers at the alaska afla conference 00:18:52.579 --> 00:18:56.480 i think it was 2000 is there 2015 or 2016. i 00:18:56.480 --> 00:18:58.700 can't remember and i met him for the first time 00:18:58.700 --> 00:19:02.730 and it was funny because In Alaska, there is 00:19:02.730 --> 00:19:06.109 a complete divide. There are the textbook teachers 00:19:06.109 --> 00:19:08.769 and then there are the CI teachers. And there's 00:19:08.769 --> 00:19:11.809 always been a pit. We did not have a chance to 00:19:11.809 --> 00:19:14.829 talk to Bill Van Patten before. We picked him 00:19:14.829 --> 00:19:16.829 up from the airport and we drove him straight 00:19:16.829 --> 00:19:18.710 to the hotel and we didn't talk about languages 00:19:18.710 --> 00:19:22.930 at all. And I had never heard of him before. 00:19:23.170 --> 00:19:27.309 Never heard of him before. So he does his, on 00:19:27.309 --> 00:19:29.990 that first night, we pick him up from the hotel. 00:19:30.640 --> 00:19:33.660 for his keynote speech and he's talking about 00:19:33.660 --> 00:19:37.099 it. And I'm like, check. Yep. I do that. Check. 00:19:37.259 --> 00:19:39.759 Yep. That makes sense. Check. I was like, everything 00:19:39.759 --> 00:19:42.680 he's talking about is hitting. And he didn't 00:19:42.680 --> 00:19:45.339 know about TPRS at the time. He did not know 00:19:45.339 --> 00:19:48.140 about it. Right. Right. So, you know, and the 00:19:48.140 --> 00:19:50.940 other people started accusing the CI people. 00:19:51.140 --> 00:19:55.490 You planted him. You planted him. And we're like, 00:19:55.569 --> 00:19:57.650 no, none of us knew exactly what he was going 00:19:57.650 --> 00:20:00.190 to talk about. And, you know, you can look on 00:20:00.190 --> 00:20:02.250 his website. He was teaching in University of, 00:20:02.289 --> 00:20:04.869 no, Michigan State University at the time. And 00:20:04.869 --> 00:20:08.089 you can see all of his points in there. We didn't 00:20:08.089 --> 00:20:11.109 coach him what to say just now. This speech is 00:20:11.109 --> 00:20:15.630 on his website. But it just all hit. Everything 00:20:15.630 --> 00:20:18.230 we did at the time was, you know, TPRS wise, 00:20:18.470 --> 00:20:21.970 everything he talked about hit, hit, hit. and 00:20:21.970 --> 00:20:24.970 hit so it was a very interesting thing and we 00:20:24.970 --> 00:20:27.509 learned a lot from both sides that's when he 00:20:27.509 --> 00:20:30.509 first learned about nt well tprs and then he 00:20:30.509 --> 00:20:33.849 went to a couple ntprs along the way right yeah 00:20:33.849 --> 00:20:36.150 and around the time i i discovered his podcast 00:20:36.150 --> 00:20:39.390 too and i started binge listening to uh to t 00:20:39.390 --> 00:20:42.589 with bvp you know yeah so i know i wish he did 00:20:42.589 --> 00:20:45.630 two versions of it and i wish he kept it going 00:20:45.630 --> 00:20:48.150 i don't know why he stopped but he he did one 00:20:48.150 --> 00:20:51.279 version one was t with and then he called it, 00:20:51.319 --> 00:20:52.940 I forgot what he called the second version of 00:20:52.940 --> 00:20:56.579 it. Talking L2 with BVP. That's it, yep. And 00:20:56.579 --> 00:20:59.460 so I wish he kept it going, but yeah, unfortunately, 00:20:59.640 --> 00:21:01.420 but at least you can go back and listen to them 00:21:01.420 --> 00:21:05.660 because they are so informative. They are really 00:21:05.660 --> 00:21:10.079 eye -opening. Did you run into any problems or 00:21:10.079 --> 00:21:15.539 challenges when you were in the classroom? In 00:21:15.539 --> 00:21:19.349 the classroom? Well, I mean, The challenge was, 00:21:19.529 --> 00:21:25.369 so, you know, once I started implementing TPRS 00:21:25.369 --> 00:21:27.630 and I had another colleague in my department 00:21:27.630 --> 00:21:31.589 that was implementing TPRS, you know, the administration 00:21:31.589 --> 00:21:35.529 started noticing and there was actually my assistant 00:21:35.529 --> 00:21:37.650 principal at the time, her daughter was in my 00:21:37.650 --> 00:21:40.109 colleague's class and her daughter used to hate 00:21:40.109 --> 00:21:43.589 Spanish. And when my colleague started teaching 00:21:43.589 --> 00:21:47.589 with TPRS and all of a sudden her daughter loves 00:21:47.589 --> 00:21:51.150 Spanish, her daughter was even reporting to her 00:21:51.150 --> 00:21:53.410 mom saying, mom, you know, like I'm coming home 00:21:53.410 --> 00:21:57.089 and I feel like I'm thinking in Spanish. And 00:21:57.089 --> 00:21:59.549 it was basically what Krashen talks about with 00:21:59.549 --> 00:22:02.910 the din, the din in the head. She was experiencing 00:22:02.910 --> 00:22:06.410 that. So my assistant principal is like, you 00:22:06.410 --> 00:22:09.220 know, what's going on? You know, like. They wanted 00:22:09.220 --> 00:22:12.259 to know more. And then I became department chair. 00:22:12.480 --> 00:22:15.839 And so I was tasked with, you know, bringing 00:22:15.839 --> 00:22:21.519 this more widely into the department. And, you 00:22:21.519 --> 00:22:24.539 know, so we ended up eliminating, you know, the 00:22:24.539 -->
00:22:27.660 Descubre textbook. And, you know, actually recently, 00:22:27.900 --> 00:22:31.940 you know, I was kind of, you know, because we 00:22:31.940 --> 00:22:34.599 have department chair terms. You know, every 00:22:34.599 --> 00:22:36.619 few years we have to reapply and everything. 00:22:36.980 --> 00:22:39.359 So, you know, I was just kind of going through 00:22:39.359 --> 00:22:41.440 a list of like, you know, things that I accomplished 00:22:41.440 --> 00:22:45.119 as department chair. You know, I calculated the 00:22:45.119 --> 00:22:49.079 amount of money that parents would have to pay 00:22:49.079 --> 00:22:52.460 for the Descubre textbook. I multiplied that 00:22:52.460 --> 00:22:55.519 by the average number of teachers, average number 00:22:55.519 --> 00:23:01.079 of sections. And so I estimate that. Comprehensible 00:23:01.079 --> 00:23:05.680 input instruction has saved our parents a million 00:23:05.680 --> 00:23:12.859 dollars since we implemented this in 2016. A 00:23:12.859 --> 00:23:15.720 million dollars. And the other thing is that 00:23:15.720 --> 00:23:18.140 that, you know, I mean, obviously I teach at 00:23:18.140 --> 00:23:21.400 a private school. That's not like the school 00:23:21.400 --> 00:23:24.240 doesn't get that money. It's just an extra stress. 00:23:24.680 --> 00:23:28.079 It's an extra cost for the parents who are already 00:23:28.079 --> 00:23:31.940 paying tuition. So, I mean, you know, this is 00:23:31.940 --> 00:23:34.900 a million dollar methodology. So if your administration 00:23:34.900 --> 00:23:37.480 won't listen to you for other reasons, tell them 00:23:37.480 --> 00:23:39.779 about the million dollars, you know. I mean, 00:23:39.839 --> 00:23:43.640 because, you know, and because it's just ridiculous 00:23:43.640 --> 00:23:47.099 that, you know, how much this costs. And that's 00:23:47.099 --> 00:23:51.440 why, like, I really believe that, like, the STAR 00:23:51.440 --> 00:23:54.579 approach, I can teach Spanish one through four 00:23:54.579 --> 00:23:57.980 using Ben Slavik's method. All I need is a computer, 00:23:58.079 --> 00:24:01.779 a projector screen. a box of markers and some 00:24:01.779 --> 00:24:04.980 paper. And that's it. That's all I need. You 00:24:04.980 --> 00:24:08.039 know, we did the same thing back in, I taught 00:24:08.039 --> 00:24:11.819 in Vegas and it was adoption year and we got 00:24:11.819 --> 00:24:15.599 $80 ,000. We spent on textbooks for that year 00:24:15.599 --> 00:24:19.799 and textbooks that we weren't going to use because 00:24:19.799 --> 00:24:23.420 we were a completely CI department. So we told, 00:24:23.420 --> 00:24:26.720 we told the principal, we said, I know the law 00:24:26.720 --> 00:24:31.039 says. that every kid must have access to a book 00:24:31.039 --> 00:24:33.640 it doesn't say every kid must have a book it 00:24:33.640 --> 00:24:38.019 says has access to so we said can we not just 00:24:38.019 --> 00:24:42.299 have one class set of whatever we teach in our 00:24:42.299 --> 00:24:46.500 rooms and return the rest of the books he's like 00:24:46.500 --> 00:24:50.960 i'll make a deal with you you can return those 00:24:50.960 --> 00:24:53.950 books like you said But I want half the budget, 00:24:54.029 --> 00:24:56.369 that money coming back. I want half for the school 00:24:56.369 --> 00:25:00.630 and you can take the other half. So we did. We 00:25:00.630 --> 00:25:05.029 both got about, what, $30 ,000 out of that because, 00:25:05.089 --> 00:25:08.109 you know, only class sets cost us about $20 ,000 00:25:08.109 --> 00:25:11.930 versus the $80 ,000. And it was a win -win. Instead, 00:25:12.430 --> 00:25:15.829 what we did was we spent it on novels and we 00:25:15.829 --> 00:25:19.500 spent it on PD for teachers. Those are the two 00:25:19.500 --> 00:25:21.740 things that we spent that extra money on. And 00:25:21.740 --> 00:25:25.480 it's so true because textbooks cost so much money. 00:25:25.579 --> 00:25:28.059 And when they're published, they're out of date 00:25:28.059 --> 00:25:30.640 almost instantly. They're already out of date. 00:25:30.700 --> 00:25:35.079 I have to teach DVD player in my textbook. Nobody 00:25:35.079 --> 00:25:38.660 has a DVD player anymore. It's all Netflix and 00:25:38.660 --> 00:25:42.680 streaming. Now they do have streaming services, 00:25:42.700 --> 00:25:46.579 a word in there too, but DVD player, nobody has 00:25:46.579 --> 00:25:50.299 a DVD player anymore. So why are we still teaching 00:25:50.299 --> 00:25:53.099 that vocabulary? Why am I required to teach that 00:25:53.099 --> 00:25:56.660 vocabulary when nobody's going to use it? And 00:25:56.660 --> 00:25:57.779 they're certainly not going to go to another 00:25:57.779 --> 00:26:01.920 country asking for a DVD player. So I 100 % agree 00:26:01.920 --> 00:26:04.259 with you. It's very costly and we don't need 00:26:04.259 --> 00:26:07.579 that. If that actually worked. Parents would 00:26:07.579 --> 00:26:09.960 buy a textbook when their babies were born and 00:26:09.960 --> 00:26:13.099 would start teaching them from that. That's right. 00:26:13.220 --> 00:26:16.059 And we don't. Yeah. So, you know, I would say 00:26:16.059 --> 00:26:20.460 that the main hurdle to overcome if you're getting 00:26:20.460 --> 00:26:25.099 into CI or you're transitioning, your department 00:26:25.099 --> 00:26:29.259 is transitioning to CI, is getting teachers quality 00:26:29.259 --> 00:26:33.339 professional development and having the time 00:26:33.339 --> 00:26:37.430 to do it, right? I mean, if you are a teacher 00:26:37.430 --> 00:26:39.630 that's personally convinced that comprehensible 00:26:39.630 --> 00:26:42.230 input is the way, right, you're going to go listen 00:26:42.230 --> 00:26:45.349 to Tea with BVP, right? You're going to go take 00:26:45.349 --> 00:26:48.170 Scott Benedict's Webversity. I don't know if 00:26:48.170 --> 00:26:51.210 you're still doing that, but, you know, you're
00:26:51.210 --> 00:26:53.410 going to go to Ben Slavik. You're going to go 00:26:53.410 --> 00:26:57.049 to Mike Pito's seminars, right? So you're going 00:26:57.049 --> 00:26:58.910 to find a way to do that. And, you know, you're 00:26:58.910 --> 00:27:02.529 going to find the free stuff online and the Facebook 00:27:02.529 --> 00:27:05.710 groups and everything like that. Now, somebody 00:27:05.710 --> 00:27:08.829 that's, you know, kind of maybe not personally 00:27:08.829 --> 00:27:13.890 fanatical about CI, let's say, but they just 00:27:13.890 --> 00:27:15.809 happen to be teaching at a department where, 00:27:15.869 --> 00:27:18.349 you know, the administration said, hey, CI is 00:27:18.349 --> 00:27:20.210 a good idea. We want you to learn this, right? 00:27:21.589 --> 00:27:23.450 They're probably going to have to learn it during 00:27:23.450 --> 00:27:26.150 the school day, you know, take professional development 00:27:26.150 --> 00:27:29.690 days. And then, you know, at a school, we just 00:27:29.690 --> 00:27:32.190 have so many days where we have to do like just 00:27:32.190 --> 00:27:35.220 general faculty professional development. So 00:27:35.220 --> 00:27:39.259 that really is where, you know, that's a hurdle 00:27:39.259 --> 00:27:42.160 to overcome. I know a lot of newcomers, they 00:27:42.160 --> 00:27:44.700 rely like kind of like on teaching the novels. 00:27:45.599 --> 00:27:49.900 I personally, I mean, I teach some novels just 00:27:49.900 --> 00:27:52.740 to do some variety. I'm personally not a huge 00:27:52.740 --> 00:27:56.779 fan of teaching whole class novels. You know, 00:27:56.799 --> 00:27:59.559 I teach one per semester, right? And that's what 00:27:59.559 --> 00:28:02.299 I do. Yeah, I do that to give them a little bit 00:28:02.299 --> 00:28:08.539 of. and also they find the invisibles more interesting, 00:28:08.700 --> 00:28:10.720 but sometimes we have to take a break and then 00:28:10.720 --> 00:28:14.079 make them want it more, right? Make them ask 00:28:14.079 --> 00:28:20.140 for it. But, you know, instead, because a lot 00:28:20.140 --> 00:28:22.200 of schools will, like when they want to transition 00:28:22.200 --> 00:28:24.220 to CI, they'll say, okay, what do we need to 00:28:24.220 --> 00:28:28.200 buy? You know, do we need to buy novels? Do we 00:28:28.200 --> 00:28:30.869 need to buy some, you know, curriculum? And, 00:28:30.869 --> 00:28:32.630 you know, I mean, that could be an answer. There's 00:28:32.630 --> 00:28:35.450 good stuff out there, but it's really about teacher 00:28:35.450 --> 00:28:40.009 training. I agree. And that's why I like a lot 00:28:40.009 --> 00:28:42.829 of this novel, like, you know, industry that's 00:28:42.829 --> 00:28:45.109 going on in CI. It's fine. I mean, I love it 00:28:45.109 --> 00:28:48.450 for the free voluntary reading, but the focus 00:28:48.450 --> 00:28:51.609 needs to be on what you're doing and what Ben's 00:28:51.609 --> 00:28:54.210 doing and Mike Peto's doing. And there might 00:28:54.210 --> 00:28:56.150 be a few others that I'm forgetting about, but 00:28:56.150 --> 00:29:00.119 it's. uh training teachers because if you're 00:29:00.119 --> 00:29:04.740 trained as a ci teacher you can take your class 00:29:04.740 --> 00:29:06.819 stories and put it in a book and make your own 00:29:06.819 --> 00:29:10.900 novel you know you you also um if if you study 00:29:10.900 --> 00:29:14.160 you know under one of these ci trainers and also 00:29:14.160 --> 00:29:16.279 you study theory you're going to know how to 00:29:16.279 --> 00:29:18.140 create your own activities you're going to know 00:29:18.140 --> 00:29:20.900 which activities are of value and which are just 00:29:20.900 --> 00:29:23.640 like bells and whistles you know and you know 00:29:23.640 --> 00:29:26.519 you talk about the novels i'm there there's two 00:29:27.799 --> 00:29:29.859 thought trains of thought when it comes to novel 00:29:29.859 --> 00:29:32.339 one to teach it like a piece of literature which 00:29:32.339 --> 00:29:34.799 i'm not a literature or teacher and these novels 00:29:34.799 --> 00:29:37.799 are not pieces of literature so and even the 00:29:37.799 --> 00:29:39.619 ones that they do treat as literature like in 00:29:39.619 --> 00:29:42.700 english class or something like that the author 00:29:42.700 --> 00:29:44.880 never intended them to analyze their book that 00:29:44.880 --> 00:29:47.759 way the book was meant for entertainment so i'm 00:29:47.759 --> 00:29:50.099 one who reads it just for the comprehension it's 00:29:50.099 --> 00:29:54.200 a vehicle to bring language yeah For level one, 00:29:54.240 --> 00:29:56.299 I haven't found a really good book. Right now 00:29:56.299 --> 00:29:58.460 we're doing Brandon Brown Wants a Dog because 00:29:58.460 --> 00:30:01.579 it's easy and I can't do Pobreana anymore. I 00:30:01.579 --> 00:30:05.099 did that for like 10 years and I know the whole 00:30:05.099 --> 00:30:10.000 book by heart. I can't do it anymore. But I'm 00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:16.039 one for novels for us, by us. i like the novels 00:30:16.039 --> 00:30:19.619 that teach culture from the perspective of the 00:30:19.619 --> 00:30:22.299 person from that culture so one of my favorite 00:30:22.299 --> 00:30:27.180 novels is meperdi and medellin i get lost in 00:30:27.180 --> 00:30:34.279 medellin um it's written by a uh I can't even 00:30:34.279 --> 00:30:38.700 use my words, written by a Colombian about Colombian 00:30:38.700 --> 00:30:41.720 culture. And the way that they approach it is 00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:45.720 through the viewpoint of a boy who gets lost 00:30:45.720 --> 00:30:49.640 in the city on a trip with his school. He gets 00:30:49.640 --> 00:30:52.339 lost and he finds this guy and experiences all 00:30:52.339 --> 00:30:54.519 these different cultural points as he gets his 00:30:54.519 --> 00:30:57.279 way home. And it's really interesting because 00:30:57.279 --> 00:31:01.099 it's
teaching us culture through the viewpoint 00:31:01.099 --> 00:31:03.960 of. for lack of a better term, a white kid. It's 00:31:03.960 --> 00:31:05.900 a Canadian white kid because she lives in Canada 00:31:05.900 --> 00:31:10.500 right now. But we're getting it directly from 00:31:10.500 --> 00:31:13.000 the mouth of a Colombian in the character in 00:31:13.000 --> 00:31:15.059 the book and a real Colombian who wrote the story. 00:31:15.420 --> 00:31:19.019 So unlike, and no offense to Blaine, but all 00:31:19.019 --> 00:31:21.859 of his stories are through a white person lens 00:31:21.859 --> 00:31:27.259 author. And so it's not real culture that we're 00:31:27.259 --> 00:31:30.000 getting. It's always filtered through a white 00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:32.680 lens and not really from the perspective. So 00:31:32.680 --> 00:31:35.700 I love those novels. I just have not found one 00:31:35.700 --> 00:31:39.480 that is really low enough for a level one that 00:31:39.480 --> 00:31:42.839 does that. Right. And when I'm talking about 00:31:42.839 --> 00:31:46.660 the novels, not liking the approach of novels, 00:31:46.759 --> 00:31:48.900 I'm mainly talking about levels one and two, 00:31:49.019 --> 00:31:52.599 right? like to to to teach a bunch of novels 00:31:52.599 --> 00:31:56.539 to levels one and two um they're not ready for 00:31:56.539 --> 00:32:00.140 it so for sure like levels three and four or 00:32:00.140 --> 00:32:02.400 if you have ap or if you have dual credit you 00:32:02.400 --> 00:32:05.440 know definitely get into to some novels but i'm 00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:08.140 i'm just talking about when when when teachers 00:32:08.140 --> 00:32:10.180 have the tendency to like okay we're gonna do 00:32:10.180 --> 00:32:12.349 this novel And then when we finish it, we're 00:32:12.349 --> 00:32:15.490 going to do this one. And then it's almost teaching 00:32:15.490 --> 00:32:18.190 it like a textbook. So to me, it's really the 00:32:18.190 --> 00:32:21.130 novels are for level three and four. And they're 00:32:21.130 --> 00:32:24.009 for free voluntary reading. Yeah, I use them 00:32:24.009 --> 00:32:26.369 for silent reading. That's where I buy most of 00:32:26.369 --> 00:32:29.069 my novels. I do read one a semester, even in 00:32:29.069 --> 00:32:30.630 level one and level two. That's what I teach 00:32:30.630 --> 00:32:34.839 right now. Level two. I used to teach this in 00:32:34.839 --> 00:32:37.819 level three, but level two, I can teach it because 00:32:37.819 --> 00:32:40.160 the reason we taught it in level three before 00:32:40.160 --> 00:32:44.460 was not because of the language, but the content 00:32:44.460 --> 00:32:47.599 was too heavy. But I can, you know, level two 00:32:47.599 --> 00:32:53.059 for us is 10th graders. So the content is not. 00:32:53.509 --> 00:32:56.369 inappropriate for their age and it's vide muerte 00:32:56.369 --> 00:33:00.410 based off loosely off a true story and i can 00:33:00.410 --> 00:33:02.329 bring in
the culture and we talk about the war 00:33:02.329 --> 00:33:05.609 of el salvador in one year a guy a kid in my 00:33:05.609 --> 00:33:08.190 class his father was one of those refugees in 00:33:08.190 --> 00:33:10.910 the 80s from el salvador to los angeles so he 00:33:10.910 --> 00:33:13.069 came into our class and talked about how it really 00:33:13.069 --> 00:33:15.809 was and it brought in there so the kids get a 00:33:15.809 --> 00:33:17.349 little bit more interested in reading a book 00:33:17.349 --> 00:33:21.269 like that Right. And maybe the in Medellin, too, 00:33:21.369 --> 00:33:25.430 also is a level two book. Then reading a Brandon 00:33:25.430 --> 00:33:28.869 Brown book. Because Brandon Brown's just for 00:33:28.869 --> 00:33:30.529 the language. There's no culture there. There's 00:33:30.529 --> 00:33:33.069 nothing else there. But my kids are really interested. 00:33:33.230 --> 00:33:36.230 And I have kids who, you know, might be on the 00:33:36.230 --> 00:33:39.710 wrong side of the tracks at times. So the gang 00:33:39.710 --> 00:33:43.109 stuff really gets them engaged in the novel. 00:33:43.529 --> 00:33:45.829 And so we and we have really some really good 00:33:45.829 --> 00:33:47.890 discussions. So I see you're definitely your 00:33:47.890 --> 00:33:51.190 point. And I'm not a let's do four novels a year 00:33:51.190 --> 00:33:54.529 or even two novels a year. I do one novel and 00:33:54.529 --> 00:33:56.890 we go through it and we have our discussions 00:33:56.890 --> 00:33:59.769 and we move on. But it's just another vehicle 00:33:59.769 --> 00:34:02.329 to get the language in there. And I said, I don't 00:34:02.329 --> 00:34:04.349 teach you like literature. I do not do all those 00:34:04.349 --> 00:34:07.369 pre -reading and post -reading and prediction 00:34:07.369 --> 00:34:09.730 activities. I just read it for the language. 00:34:09.769 --> 00:34:11.889 The whole point is it's just a different story. 00:34:12.829 --> 00:34:15.469 to present language to you and it's just in written 00:34:15.469 --> 00:34:18.750 form and when you find the right novel i find 00:34:18.750 --> 00:34:21.110 the kids get a little bit more engaged the brandon 00:34:21.110 --> 00:34:23.610 brown the only reason i'm using that one is because 00:34:23.610 --> 00:34:28.010 i just have not found a really good cultural 00:34:28.010 --> 00:34:33.670 novel that is low enough level for for them yeah 00:34:33.670 --> 00:34:35.730 the other issue that ben talks about is like 00:34:35.730 --> 00:34:38.769 the the levels you know it'll say a level one 00:34:38.769 --> 00:34:42.000 novel but really It's better to read that in 00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:44.840 level two or even level three. You know, like 00:34:44.840 --> 00:34:49.340 I, in level three, I've read Semi -Professional 00:34:49.340 --> 00:34:54.619 by Adam Gied. He's a lesser known CI author. 00:34:54.739 --> 00:34:56.880 I think he might be out in California. He is. 00:34:56.880 --> 00:34:59.860 He's about a half far away from me. Yeah. So, 00:34:59.860 --> 00:35:02.699 and that's, I think it's supposed to be like 00:35:02.699 --> 00:35:06.820 kind of a level one novel, but I read it in level 00:35:06.820 --> 00:35:10.429 three. right so so when i when i use the novels 00:35:10.429 --> 00:35:12.389 in my instruction it's kind of like okay we're 00:35:12.389 --> 00:35:14.769 going to take a break from the invisibles and 00:35:14.769 --> 00:35:17.329 then you know you then you'll appreciate the 00:35:17.329 --> 00:35:20.150 invisibles more but um that that that novel is 00:35:20.150 --> 00:35:22.849 one of my uh students favorites i haven't read 00:35:22.849 --> 00:35:25.429 that one i have not read that one yet i've been 00:35:25.429 --> 00:35:27.469 trying when we do silent reading i'm reading 00:35:27.469 --> 00:35:29.389 novels along with them but i just can't keep 00:35:29.389 --> 00:35:31.250 up because there's such a flood of them nowadays 00:35:31.250 --> 00:35:36.170 but adrianas I'm going to put a little plug out 00:35:36.170 --> 00:35:40.969 there for Adriana. Adriana Ramirez is an amazing 00:35:40.969 --> 00:35:43.730 teacher and the way that she teaches novels is 00:35:43.730 --> 00:35:46.969 not like anything that you've seen or that anybody 00:35:46.969 --> 00:35:50.809 does. And so I took, if you do, what is the, 00:35:51.030 --> 00:35:55.469 if you go to fluencyfast .com and take an advanced 00:35:55.469 --> 00:35:59.789 Spanish class with Adriana, I took it not for 00:35:59.789 --> 00:36:01.510 the Spanish, although I learned a lot of Spanish 00:36:01.510 --> 00:36:05.159 from her during that. I went there because during 00:36:05.159 --> 00:36:08.480 that time, she teaches a novel like she teaches 00:36:08.480 --> 00:36:12.460 it for her class. And a novel for her is an experience. 00:36:12.460 --> 00:36:17.360 It is not a reading novel. She brings in music 00:36:17.360 --> 00:36:20.460 and culture and everything in there. You are 00:36:20.460 --> 00:36:24.179 immersed in three dimensions in that novel at 00:36:24.179 --> 00:36:27.980 that time. She's bringing real people in. She'll 00:36:27.980 --> 00:36:30.730 bring in the real music from that. uh country 00:36:30.730 --> 00:36:34.349 and that era and all of that stuff in and she 00:36:34.349 --> 00:36:36.829 really makes you live the novel and i've done 00:36:36.829 --> 00:36:40.190 three of them with her and only one of the novels 00:36:40.190 --> 00:36:42.570 i really didn't like the novel but i still learned 00:36:42.570 --> 00:36:45.869 a ton in how she presents novels and stuff so 00:36:45.869 --> 00:36:49.469 if anybody who already speaks spanish because 00:36:49.469 --> 00:36:51.369 it's advanced spanish the class is entirely in 00:36:51.369 --> 00:36:55.389 spanish um wants to learn how to really master 00:36:55.389 --> 00:36:58.039 a novel so you're not just doing it you know 00:36:58.039 --> 00:37:00.380 and finding a different way than what's
normally 00:37:00.380 --> 00:37:03.659 taught and how to do a novel i highly recommend 00:37:03.659 --> 00:37:06.940 taking one of her classes um it also will help 00:37:06.940 --> 00:37:08.960 you with your advanced spanish but also i just 00:37:08.960 --> 00:37:11.639 the way she does it is different nobody else 00:37:11.639 --> 00:37:14.539 does it like she does and it's that you don't 00:37:14.539 --> 00:37:16.599 even feel in fact when we're doing the class 00:37:16.599 --> 00:37:19.219 we barely read the novel she assigns the novel 00:37:19.219 --> 00:37:22.460 for homework It's all the discussions and the 00:37:22.460 --> 00:37:25.480 cultural discussions and the socio -economical 00:37:25.480 --> 00:37:27.840 discussions, you know, we talked about for one 00:37:27.840 --> 00:37:32.659 novel for a long time about, you know, I forgot 00:37:32.659 --> 00:37:36.159 what she calls it. It's some kind of economics. 00:37:36.519 --> 00:37:39.380 But going to another country, we as Americans, 00:37:39.500 --> 00:37:42.099 or she's Canadian now, going to another country, 00:37:42.139 --> 00:37:45.179 and is it appropriate for us to haggle in Mexico 00:37:45.179 --> 00:37:47.679 or in some of these other countries? Because 00:37:47.679 --> 00:37:51.139 they haggle because of the affordability of those 00:37:51.139 --> 00:37:53.400 things, but we can afford to pay $5 for whatever 00:37:53.400 --> 00:37:58.019 they're selling. So is it right for us? Ecotourism, 00:37:58.079 --> 00:38:00.659 that's what she calls it. Is it right for us 00:38:00.659 --> 00:38:04.380 as wealthier people to go and haggle them down 00:38:04.380 --> 00:38:06.280 to the lowest price when they really need every 00:38:06.280 --> 00:38:09.860 dollar that they can get versus we don't. Five 00:38:09.860 --> 00:38:12.119 dollars is nothing to us to pay for something. 00:38:12.420 --> 00:38:14.619 But we want to haggle them down to a dollar fifty. 00:38:17.179 --> 00:38:19.380 Those are the kinds of discussions that we have, 00:38:19.519 --> 00:38:21.199 and she always starts it with a song for the 00:38:21.199 --> 00:38:23.599 day, with a theme that she wants to talk about. 00:38:23.820 --> 00:38:26.219 It's just a whole different ballgame, and the 00:38:26.219 --> 00:38:29.320 class period is not really about reading the 00:38:29.320 --> 00:38:32.679 text. It's about experiencing the text. You read 00:38:32.679 --> 00:38:35.019 it at home. And she doesn't even ask very many 00:38:35.019 --> 00:38:37.760 comprehension questions or anything. It's really 00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:39.780 about these deeper discussions, which I really 00:38:39.780 --> 00:38:42.820 appreciated. Though I teach level one and two. 00:38:43.059 --> 00:38:45.460 Last year, I taught levels one, two and three. 00:38:45.800 --> 00:38:47.760 But still, they're middle school kids. They were 00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:49.860 not ready for those types of deep conversations 00:38:49.860 --> 00:38:52.559 that we could have
in the target language. We 00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:54.719 had to have them a lot of times in English. But 00:38:54.719 --> 00:38:56.800 it was just a very interesting approach. So just 00:38:56.800 --> 00:38:59.340 a recommendation to anybody out there listening 00:38:59.340 --> 00:39:02.260 that you might want to try that just to see what 00:39:02.260 --> 00:39:05.579 the difference is. Because as Gregory's saying, 00:39:05.679 --> 00:39:09.139 the way they're taught now is not really conducive 00:39:09.139 --> 00:39:11.300 to the way that we could learn the languages 00:39:11.300 --> 00:39:15.900 the best way. And I agree with that. Other than 00:39:15.900 --> 00:39:18.460 invisibles, is there any other go -to activity 00:39:18.460 --> 00:39:23.539 that you like to use? So I do a daily picture 00:39:23.539 --> 00:39:31.019 talk. What I do is I recycle images. Now that 00:39:31.019 --> 00:39:35.780 we have ChatGPT, when I have a story, I ask ChatGPT 00:39:35.780 --> 00:39:40.960 to create an image of that story. Now, it doesn't 00:39:40.960 --> 00:39:43.440 always come out accurate, but you have these 00:39:43.440 --> 00:39:46.340 really strange looking images. You might have 00:39:46.340 --> 00:39:50.659 like, I don't know, like a humanized block of 00:39:50.659 --> 00:39:53.619 cheese that's sitting in the middle of the highway 00:39:53.619 --> 00:39:57.480 in Chicago or something like that. So what I 00:39:57.480 --> 00:40:00.730 do is I save all of those images. And then I 00:40:00.730 --> 00:40:03.889 recycle them and use it for a daily picture talk. 00:40:04.550 --> 00:40:09.429 Awesome. And we have a, there's a CI teacher 00:40:09.429 --> 00:40:12.309 out here in Chicago named Carla Tarini. She's 00:40:12.309 --> 00:40:15.550 a French teacher. I know her. And yeah, she, 00:40:15.849 --> 00:40:20.010 so in Chicagoland, so if anybody's in Chicagoland, 00:40:20.170 --> 00:40:24.070 we have a teacher group called TCI Chicagoland. 00:40:24.789 --> 00:40:29.010 And we meet four times a year. And we meet at 00:40:29.010 --> 00:40:31.289 a different school and we just meet and share, 00:40:31.469 --> 00:40:33.389 like, just like we're doing now, you know, and 00:40:33.389 --> 00:40:36.969 it's free. So, you know, I've, I've really gotten 00:40:36.969 --> 00:40:39.190 a lot of support from that group. I'm one of 00:40:39.190 --> 00:40:42.610 the co -organizers of the group now. But Carla 00:40:42.610 --> 00:40:46.130 has this activity she calls five second peak. 00:40:46.230 --> 00:40:48.510 It's where she puts up the picture for five seconds. 00:40:48.909 --> 00:40:51.230 Then she goes to the next slide and it's like, 00:40:51.369 --> 00:40:58.639 okay. And so I do that with. these ai generated 00:40:58.639 --> 00:41:01.940 images that i've recycled from other classes 00:41:01.940 --> 00:41:04.940 you know and so that that is that is a really 00:41:04.940 --> 00:41:07.340 good activity i mean i start every day with a 00:41:07.340 --> 00:41:10.639
calendar talk a little talk about the weather 00:41:10.639 --> 00:41:14.000 the national day i'd like to use national day 00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:17.360 calendar and then you know we do silent reading 00:41:17.360 --> 00:41:22.239 and then uh And then after that, we kind of chat. 00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:24.980 We kind of do PQA about what we read. And then 00:41:24.980 --> 00:41:28.139 we do that picture talk of the day. And then 00:41:28.139 --> 00:41:33.099 I get into the lesson for the day, whether it's 00:41:33.099 --> 00:41:36.619 a one -word image or an invisible story or a 00:41:36.619 --> 00:41:44.320 movie talk. I do a lot of movie talks. I've started 00:41:44.320 --> 00:41:49.280 to make my own movie talks. there's this series 00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:53.460 um so i have a friend that used to teach uh english 00:41:53.460 --> 00:41:57.519 abroad uh actually in the czech republic and 00:41:57.519 --> 00:42:00.860 uh so i guess in the 80s and 90s in the czech 00:42:00.860 --> 00:42:03.400 republic there was this famous uh like silent 00:42:03.400 --> 00:42:08.619 cartoon called pat and matt um almost all of 00:42:08.619 --> 00:42:11.420 the episodes are on on youtube and so it's basically 00:42:11.420 --> 00:42:15.670 like these two um handymen that are brothers 00:42:15.670 --> 00:42:17.769 that live together and they keep breaking things 00:42:17.769 --> 00:42:19.650 and then they kind of like fix them. It's kind 00:42:19.650 --> 00:42:22.090 of, it's, it's kind of like claymation type thing. 00:42:22.730 --> 00:42:25.969 Um, so, you know, and during COVID, I really, 00:42:25.989 --> 00:42:29.469 um, like made a lot of my own movie talks, um, 00:42:29.550 --> 00:42:32.630 based on those, uh, their silent images, because, 00:42:32.710 --> 00:42:37.849 you know, I, I, I really just, uh, instead of, 00:42:37.849 --> 00:42:40.889 uh, using other people's things, uh, I use, I, 00:42:40.969 --> 00:42:43.519 I, I've learned to, you know, make my own, uh 00:42:43.519 --> 00:42:46.059 materials and then you know and then uh you know 00:42:46.059 --> 00:42:47.860 you don't have to worry about you know the world 00:42:47.860 --> 00:42:50.139 language budget or whatever because you just 00:42:50.139 --> 00:42:53.340 you're making your own materials you know so 00:42:53.340 --> 00:42:57.219 movie talk is a good one um you know i i still 00:42:57.219 --> 00:43:00.139 use a lot of elements of tprs you know like the 00:43:00.139 --> 00:43:04.119 volleyball reading um you know the coral reading 00:43:04.119 --> 00:43:10.179 uh coral coral translation i mean um yeah so 00:43:11.500 --> 00:43:14.159 But, you know, kind of the core of my curriculum 00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:20.139 is the star, you know. And if, I don't know if 00:43:20.139 --> 00:43:23.099 you're familiar, but so Ben has this, I don't 00:43:23.099 --> 00:43:25.440 know if you can even see that. No, you can't. 00:43:25.440 --> 00:43:29.980 Okay. Yeah, it's bright. So it's basically, it's 00:43:29.980 --> 00:43:34.400 a curriculum cycle where you create. And, you 00:43:34.400 --> 00:43:36.599 know, a big misconception that a lot of people 00:43:36.599 --> 00:43:39.679 have is that this star is only for one word image 00:43:39.679 --> 00:43:41.639 and the invisibles. It really could be used with 00:43:41.639 --> 00:43:44.739 any content. So you have one point of the star 00:43:44.739 --> 00:43:48.559 that's where you create the story. And then you 00:43:48.559 --> 00:43:51.260 move to the next point where you review. And 00:43:51.260 --> 00:43:54.099 there's like, you know, three or four different 00:43:54.099 --> 00:43:57.699 activities that you can review. And then you 00:43:57.699 --> 00:44:01.469 have another phase where you write. another phase 00:44:01.469 --> 00:44:04.349 where you read and another phase where you extend. 00:44:04.530 --> 00:44:07.769 And in each of these phases, there's activities 00:44:07.769 --> 00:44:10.889 that you can do, right? So you really don't need 00:44:10.889 --> 00:44:12.630 a curriculum. You just need to learn the start. 00:44:12.809 --> 00:44:15.510 I always, I say to some of my colleagues, you 00:44:15.510 --> 00:44:17.130 know, like, hey, what are we doing today? Just 00:44:17.130 --> 00:44:19.869 cruising around the star. That's all we're doing, 00:44:19.949 --> 00:44:22.869 you know, is you learn that repertoire and you 00:44:22.869 --> 00:44:25.530 don't need the lesson plan, you know? And I'm 00:44:25.530 --> 00:44:27.789 getting, downloading an image of it right now 00:44:27.789 --> 00:44:31.599 that we can see it here. Yeah. It's taking me 00:44:31.599 --> 00:44:34.460 a minute to find one. But yes, I'm familiar with 00:44:34.460 --> 00:44:39.239 the star thing that he's got. It's really a game 00:44:39.239 --> 00:44:41.300 changer, though. I mean, you will never have 00:44:41.300 --> 00:44:46.920 to lesson plan again if you learn the star. And 00:44:46.920 --> 00:44:49.039 it could be used with, like I said, I mean, in 00:44:49.039 --> 00:44:52.360 Ben's method, it's used with the invisibles and 00:44:52.360 --> 00:44:55.260 the... Okay, yeah, that's the book. Yeah, right. 00:44:55.460 --> 00:44:57.460 But it's got the little image there to create, 00:44:57.599 --> 00:45:01.880 to review. write, read, and extend. So the five 00:45:01.880 --> 00:45:04.460 different aspects of that. And in his book, he 00:45:04.460 --> 00:45:06.739 has a more detailed one where it will say which 00:45:06.739 --> 00:45:10.880 activities go along with that. One activity that 00:45:10.880 --> 00:45:15.019 I really like for extension is called OWATS, 00:45:15.019 --> 00:45:20.380 the one word at a time story. So this is, you 00:45:20.380 --> 00:45:22.679 know, it's really kind of an extension activity. 00:45:24.599 --> 00:45:27.559 It's really kind of on those days when the teacher 00:45:27.559 --> 00:45:30.909 needs a little bit of a break. So what you do, 00:45:30.969 --> 00:45:32.949 and I don't know if
Ben created this or somebody 00:45:32.949 --> 00:45:34.809 else, but it's, you know, it's part of the star. 00:45:35.010 --> 00:45:37.989 So what you do is you take all of the words that 00:45:37.989 --> 00:45:41.090 are in your most recent story, write them on 00:45:41.090 --> 00:45:45.230 index cards, shuffle them, get the kids into 00:45:45.230 --> 00:45:48.489 like, let's say groups of three or four. And 00:45:48.489 --> 00:45:50.949 they have to, so they have to write a story. 00:45:51.010 --> 00:45:53.349 First step is come up with a character. So let's 00:45:53.349 --> 00:45:59.050 say like, I own raton, right? And then give it 00:45:59.050 --> 00:46:01.349 a name. When you're done with that, raise your 00:46:01.349 --> 00:46:05.010 hand. I give you an index card. The next sentence 00:46:05.010 --> 00:46:09.969 needs to contain that word. Raise your hand. 00:46:10.090 --> 00:46:11.969 When you're done with that, I check over your 00:46:11.969 --> 00:46:13.949 sentence. Maybe I'll fix up the grammar a little 00:46:13.949 --> 00:46:17.190 bit. And then I give you the next word. And we 00:46:17.190 --> 00:46:19.570 just keep going like that for like 20 minutes. 00:46:19.849 --> 00:46:22.010 Oh, that's awesome. I've not heard of that before. 00:46:22.090 --> 00:46:24.349 That's really a great idea. Right. And then they 00:46:24.349 --> 00:46:30.599 submit it on Google Classroom. and you could 00:46:30.599 --> 00:46:33.480 edit it. And then the next day you read everybody's 00:46:33.480 --> 00:46:35.679 stories. And now, of course, with ChatGPT, the 00:46:35.679 --> 00:46:40.599 editing is super easy. I used to spend a lot 00:46:40.599 --> 00:46:43.480 of time editing, and the kids really like those 00:46:43.480 --> 00:46:45.820 stories. So it's really kind of one of those 00:46:45.820 --> 00:46:47.820 activities where the actual activity itself, 00:46:48.119 --> 00:46:51.559 it's not really CI because there's output there. 00:46:51.719 --> 00:46:55.519 Maybe somebody's sneaking onto Google Translate. 00:46:55.619 --> 00:46:58.159 But the thing is that the real focus is that 00:46:58.159 --> 00:47:02.440 you're getting content created by the kids, recycling 00:47:02.440 --> 00:47:05.280 the words from the story, and it's high interest 00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:08.360 because they want to, you know. Yeah. show their 00:47:08.360 --> 00:47:10.900 crazy stories. And you were talking about chat 00:47:10.900 --> 00:47:14.699 GPT. They just upgraded their image engine. And 00:47:14.699 --> 00:47:18.980 now it won't let you do it for students, but 00:47:18.980 --> 00:47:22.119 like you can put yourself in a story and, and 00:47:22.119 --> 00:47:24.699 have a realistic image generated of you doing 00:47:24.699 --> 00:47:26.980 different things. Like my kids want to see me 00:47:26.980 --> 00:47:30.820 do a dab. So I just put it, I uploaded my picture. 00:47:31.579 --> 00:47:33.340 Because I'm like, I'm not doing that for real. 00:47:33.480 --> 00:47:37.320 I uploaded my picture and told it put me in a 00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:40.119 dab position. And it did. It put me, you know, 00:47:40.119 --> 00:47:42.599 I can have it do whatever I want to make me sad, 00:47:42.679 --> 00:47:45.900 make me happy. So it's really kind of fun. But 00:47:45.900 --> 00:47:49.300 what you can do with kids and yourself, too, 00:47:49.460 --> 00:47:53.159 is you can make cartoons of them. So you can 00:47:53.159 --> 00:47:56.900 upload an image. In fact, let me get one right 00:47:56.900 --> 00:47:58.340 here. I'll show you what I did because I have 00:47:58.340 --> 00:48:01.610 a kid who was he was in a skateboard story. So 00:48:01.610 --> 00:48:06.269 we just did it. We just did it, talked about 00:48:06.269 --> 00:48:09.670 it. And where was that one? There is Frank. And 00:48:09.670 --> 00:48:11.730 I took a picture of him, his school picture that 00:48:11.730 --> 00:48:16.449 was already in the computer. And I made this 00:48:16.449 --> 00:48:20.789 image of him. I uploaded it to make a cartoon 00:48:20.789 --> 00:48:25.809 image of this kid on skateboarding. Because that 00:48:25.809 --> 00:48:28.389 was what our story was about. So this is what 00:48:28.389 --> 00:48:32.250 it came up with. Ah, nice. It's a little big, 00:48:32.329 --> 00:48:38.889 but it looks just like him. So you can't do realistic 00:48:38.889 --> 00:48:41.190 pictures of other people. You can only do one 00:48:41.190 --> 00:48:43.389 of yourself because of, you know, obviously we 00:48:43.389 --> 00:48:45.349 can see why, you know, you don't want to be making 00:48:45.349 --> 00:48:47.710 people do things that, you know, they shouldn't 00:48:47.710 --> 00:48:52.119 be doing. Right, right. But. For cartoons, it's 00:48:52.119 --> 00:48:55.719 really fun. And so I can now make stories and 00:48:55.719 --> 00:48:58.239 then tell them like what our invisible might 00:48:58.239 --> 00:49:01.099 look like. And it will create one for you that 00:49:01.099 --> 00:49:04.159 looks like that. And the engine has gotten so 00:49:04.159 --> 00:49:06.000 much better. I just put in there, make a cartoon 00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:09.539 version of this. Or my kids also like comic strips. 00:49:09.739 --> 00:49:13.260 So I'll do make a superhero version or a comic 00:49:13.260 --> 00:49:15.900 strip version of this. And it'll be in the style 00:49:15.900 --> 00:49:18.820 of a comic strip. and I can put the text on top 00:49:18.820 --> 00:49:20.820 of the words. And it's even better with text. 00:49:20.880 --> 00:49:22.639 You can tell it what text to put on it. And lots 00:49:22.639 --> 00:49:25.260 of times, not always, it'll put the text right 00:49:25.260 --> 00:49:27.840 in there. It's spelled right. It'll do it in 00:49:27.840 --> 00:49:30.800 Spanish or French or German. It's really been, 00:49:30.920 --> 00:49:33.079 they just did it in the last week or two. They've 00:49:33.079 --> 00:49:36.369 upgraded that. image engine that they do and
00:49:36.369 --> 00:49:39.769 it's amazing what you can get it to do and if 00:49:39.769 --> 00:49:41.409 it doesn't come out exactly like i'm like oh 00:49:41.409 --> 00:49:43.510 that's a weird smile can you change the smile 00:49:43.510 --> 00:49:46.130 just tell it to change it and it redoes the image 00:49:46.130 --> 00:49:50.570 again so i find it really really good when because 00:49:50.570 --> 00:49:53.530 like you said earlier if you have to use a textbook 00:49:53.530 --> 00:49:57.110 like i do i'll take the vocabulary and i'll write 00:49:57.110 --> 00:50:00.679 a story about one of my kids or a couple of my 00:50:00.679 --> 00:50:02.940 kids. But now I have a way to put illustrations 00:50:02.940 --> 00:50:04.960 in there, at least with cartoons, having them 00:50:04.960 --> 00:50:07.199 do the funny things. Because my kids say the 00:50:07.199 --> 00:50:08.820 darndest things, and then whatever they say, 00:50:08.860 --> 00:50:10.940 they know can be used against them. Because they'll 00:50:10.940 --> 00:50:13.760 say something, and then I'll turn it into a story. 00:50:14.039 --> 00:50:16.519 Like when a kid, a couple of weeks, well, it 00:50:16.519 --> 00:50:20.300 was more a couple of months ago, he... He wants 00:50:20.300 --> 00:50:22.659 to be a chef. And so I was asking him about that 00:50:22.659 --> 00:50:24.460 and go, what type of restaurant do you want to 00:50:24.460 --> 00:50:26.320 open? He goes, I want to open an elegant restaurant. 00:50:26.500 --> 00:50:28.599 And I said, well, what kind of food do you want 00:50:28.599 --> 00:50:32.119 to serve? Well, he didn't know how to say steak. 00:50:32.619 --> 00:50:35.079 So he said Baca, which for those who don't speak 00:50:35.079 --> 00:50:38.199 Spanish is a cow. Well, my mind was spinning. 00:50:38.280 --> 00:50:40.159 I understood he was circumlocuting there and 00:50:40.159 --> 00:50:43.139 he meant steak. But my mind was circulating saying, 00:50:43.239 --> 00:50:45.460 uh -uh, that's not what we're going to write 00:50:45.460 --> 00:50:47.360 a story about. I'm going to write a story about... 00:50:47.710 --> 00:50:52.050 him opening a restaurant that only serves cows 00:50:52.050 --> 00:50:57.289 as customers with a variety of cow type food. 00:50:57.329 --> 00:51:01.110 We had cow pizza and all different kinds of things 00:51:01.110 --> 00:51:04.409 that cows would eat. And it was really funny. 00:51:05.070 --> 00:51:07.590 And they didn't have the images back then. So 00:51:07.590 --> 00:51:09.849 I couldn't use the images. But now I can add 00:51:09.849 --> 00:51:12.949 images to that story. But it's so much more engaging 00:51:12.949 --> 00:51:14.869 when you make it about them. And you have those 00:51:14.869 --> 00:51:17.269 fun little stories about that. Just like the 00:51:17.269 --> 00:51:19.409 invisibles where they're creating that character. 00:51:19.750 --> 00:51:22.030 You know, these are about them and about the 00:51:22.030 --> 00:51:23.869 dumb things they said in class. And I just turn 00:51:23.869 --> 00:51:26.150 it against them. And we all have fun. One kid 00:51:26.150 --> 00:51:28.969 came to school and he had a wedding ring on. 00:51:29.409 --> 00:51:30.869 It wasn't really a wedding ring. It was just 00:51:30.869 --> 00:51:34.619 on his wedding ring finger. And I'm like. I stopped 00:51:34.619 --> 00:51:37.800 class. I just noticed it. I'm like, class, look 00:51:37.800 --> 00:51:42.340 at Junior. Junior's married. He's like, what? 00:51:42.420 --> 00:51:44.300 I'm married. I'm like, you've got a wedding ring. 00:51:44.360 --> 00:51:46.219 You're married. And we talked about, made up 00:51:46.219 --> 00:51:48.400 a whole story about who he's married to, how 00:51:48.400 --> 00:51:50.739 long he was married. You know, it's just spontaneous. 00:51:50.800 --> 00:51:53.280 But those kinds of stories really, they really, 00:51:53.340 --> 00:51:55.079 really hit home when you do those things. And 00:51:55.079 --> 00:51:59.199 now with this image thing with ChatGPT, I love 00:51:59.199 --> 00:52:02.989 that. And what I love ChatGPT for. is I write 00:52:02.989 --> 00:52:06.070 the story, I'll upload the story to ChatGPT, 00:52:06.150 --> 00:52:08.409 and then I'll ask them to create like three or 00:52:08.409 --> 00:52:12.230 four activities from that story. And it will. 00:52:12.349 --> 00:52:14.610 It'll do like multiple choice questions. It'll 00:52:14.610 --> 00:52:17.469 do a scramble. It'll do matching. It comes up 00:52:17.469 --> 00:52:19.829 with all different kinds of activities that I 00:52:19.829 --> 00:52:22.949 would never have thought of. Or I'll say, I'm 00:52:22.949 --> 00:52:25.150 stuck. I've been doing questions and comprehension 00:52:25.150 --> 00:52:27.489 questions of this story. Can you give me something 00:52:27.489 --> 00:52:30.429 completely new that I've never done before? And 00:52:30.429 --> 00:52:32.989 it will give me... Oh, I never thought of that. 00:52:33.050 --> 00:52:36.510 It's given me some great ideas to extend some 00:52:36.510 --> 00:52:39.809 things so that, I mean, it's really like a TA. 00:52:41.110 --> 00:52:44.010 It really does help. It is a game changer, yeah. 00:52:46.710 --> 00:52:51.949 So let's see what else. Anything that you want 00:52:51.949 --> 00:52:54.809 to say that will help? Because, oh, I didn't 00:52:54.809 --> 00:52:56.369 realize we're already only eight minutes left. 00:52:57.440 --> 00:52:59.860 that you want to say any advice for new teachers 00:52:59.860 --> 00:53:02.039 i know you talked about earlier about you know 00:53:02.039 --> 00:53:05.059 pd training is really really important but do 00:53:05.059 --> 00:53:07.599 you have any other advice for people who are 00:53:07.599 --> 00:53:11.639 struggling with ci teachers who are ready who 00:53:11.639 --> 00:53:14.519 are thinking about jumping in or teachers who 00:53:14.519 --> 00:53:17.780 are just jumping in right now and want to go 00:53:17.780 -->
00:53:20.099 for well i yeah i would say get get professional 00:53:20.099 --> 00:53:23.380 development but also see see if there's any local 00:53:23.380 --> 00:53:27.969 um you know teachers uh even if you know in chicagoland 00:53:27.969 --> 00:53:30.710 we have the tci chicagoland group but you know 00:53:30.710 --> 00:53:32.909 maybe in your area there's not a formal group 00:53:32.909 --> 00:53:37.210 but if you go to you know one of these national 00:53:37.210 --> 00:53:42.510 conferences um you know or even like actful which 00:53:42.510 --> 00:53:44.809 is not necessarily a ci specific but there's 00:53:44.809 --> 00:53:47.090 a lot of ci people there you know try to meet 00:53:47.090 --> 00:53:51.070 people from your area and then uh one thing that's 00:53:51.070 --> 00:53:55.880 been very helpful is um uh So I have a CI colleague, 00:53:56.219 --> 00:54:00.099 Chris Cashman. Shout out to Chris Cashman. I 00:54:00.099 --> 00:54:03.760 don't know if you know him. He's a CI teacher 00:54:03.760 --> 00:54:06.639 in Chicagoland. Some of his students were in 00:54:06.639 --> 00:54:11.980 the Señor Wooly video, Encerrada en la Escuela. 00:54:12.300 --> 00:54:17.639 Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So anyway, you know, so 00:54:17.639 --> 00:54:19.840 the school that he teaches at had spring break 00:54:19.840 --> 00:54:25.159 when we were in session. We had spring break 00:54:25.159 --> 00:54:27.719 when he was in session. So I visited his classroom 00:54:27.719 --> 00:54:31.340 for a day. And then he came to my school and 00:54:31.340 --> 00:54:34.639 visited us for a day. And, you know, watching 00:54:34.639 --> 00:54:39.719 CI in action with actual students is really the 00:54:39.719 --> 00:54:42.000 most valuable thing. More valuable than, you 00:54:42.000 --> 00:54:43.780 know, even these workshops that we were talking 00:54:43.780 --> 00:54:46.400 about. Because you get to see how it actually 00:54:46.400 --> 00:54:48.679 works with real students. Because, you know, 00:54:48.699 --> 00:54:52.880 one disadvantage of the... the conferences is 00:54:52.880 --> 00:54:55.460 that everybody's a language teacher, right? Yeah. 00:54:55.659 --> 00:54:57.599 So you don't get to see classroom management, 00:54:57.619 --> 00:55:00.699 management issues. You don't get to see, you 00:55:00.699 --> 00:55:03.719 know, you don't see language teachers putting 00:55:03.719 --> 00:55:08.119 their heads down and sleeping, you know? So it 00:55:08.119 --> 00:55:10.119 gives you a more realistic view and it's free. 00:55:10.239 --> 00:55:13.300 And then the other thing is, is that school administration, 00:55:13.320 --> 00:55:15.739 they love when you have visitors and when you 00:55:15.739 --> 00:55:18.739 go visit other people. You know, I mean, it's 00:55:18.739 --> 00:55:20.739 good for the school. It's good for the teachers. 00:55:21.000 --> 00:55:23.539 So that, you know, really connect with people 00:55:23.539 --> 00:55:26.320 in your area who are into CI and try
to visit 00:55:26.320 --> 00:55:29.360 them. Yeah, my old department, we used to do 00:55:29.360 --> 00:55:31.599 that with each other. We made a commitment that 00:55:31.599 --> 00:55:34.559 we would visit. um two people a month during 00:55:34.559 --> 00:55:37.260 our prep stay at least for 15 minutes we could 00:55:37.260 --> 00:55:39.679 only say positive things and we had a checklist 00:55:39.679 --> 00:55:42.719 you know what percentage of language was being 00:55:42.719 --> 00:55:44.460 target language was being used in the classroom 00:55:44.460 --> 00:55:47.619 um what did the students what did the teacher 00:55:47.619 --> 00:55:49.659 do to make the students feel comfortable in class 00:55:49.659 --> 00:55:52.119 and how did they make the language comprehensible 00:55:52.119 --> 00:55:53.579 those are the only questions that were asked 00:55:53.579 --> 00:55:55.960 and you can only put positive notes and then 00:55:55.960 --> 00:55:58.280 you dumped it on their desk when you left um 00:55:58.280 --> 00:56:01.099 and it wasn't mandated by administration administration 00:56:01.099 --> 00:56:04.159 love that we did it but we also told them you 00:56:04.159 --> 00:56:06.539 can't come to us and ask for that information 00:56:06.539 --> 00:56:09.219 or what we observed it was for us for professional 00:56:09.219 --> 00:56:12.320 development and that made it a safe space that 00:56:12.320 --> 00:56:14.239 we can you know that we did that in there and 00:56:14.239 --> 00:56:16.940 if the if the teachers wanted to share what happened 00:56:16.940 --> 00:56:18.699 in their classroom with the administration it 00:56:18.699 --> 00:56:21.119 was their choice to do so not the observer's 00:56:21.119 --> 00:56:23.920 choice so it really really worked well and you 00:56:23.920 --> 00:56:26.539 know giving up two preps a month is really not 00:56:26.539 --> 00:56:29.789 not asking a lot And you only required really 00:56:29.789 --> 00:56:32.050 to stay for 15 minutes. Most of us stayed for 00:56:32.050 --> 00:56:34.389 the whole hour because you really can't see what's 00:56:34.389 --> 00:56:35.909 going on until you see the beginning, the middle 00:56:35.909 --> 00:56:38.010 and the end to see how everything goes together. 00:56:38.230 --> 00:56:40.730 But you learn so many different things from that 00:56:40.730 --> 00:56:42.150 and go, oh, I never thought of doing it that 00:56:42.150 --> 00:56:44.889 way. Or that's an interesting thing. I never 00:56:44.889 --> 00:56:47.730 saw that before. You know, you can see, learn 00:56:47.730 --> 00:56:49.969 a lot from other people or maybe they do something 00:56:49.969 --> 00:56:51.789 that you do too, but they do it a little bit 00:56:51.789 --> 00:56:53.630 better or a little bit differently that you can 00:56:53.630 --> 00:56:55.969 learn. There's always something to learn and 00:56:55.969 --> 00:56:58.619 keeping it positive makes sure. that nobody feels 00:56:58.619 --> 00:57:01.039 nervous when someone comes in. It's just a learning 00:57:01.039 --> 00:57:04.019 group. That's how we took it as a learning thing. 00:57:04.159 --> 00:57:07.179 So I agree. If you can find someone within your 00:57:07.179 --> 00:57:09.739 district, within your school, within your department, 00:57:09.940 --> 00:57:14.599 or if not, neighboring schools, or even sometimes 00:57:14.599 --> 00:57:17.139 not just learning about CI, but learning about 00:57:17.139 --> 00:57:19.969 other... Teaching things, go to a different department 00:57:19.969 --> 00:57:22.610 and learn about that, what they do, because some 00:57:22.610 --> 00:57:24.809 of those things can apply to what you do in your 00:57:24.809 --> 00:57:27.050 class. You never thought about that. So it just 00:57:27.050 --> 00:57:29.730 kind of gets you a little bit out of, you know, 00:57:29.730 --> 00:57:31.530 always world language, always world language, 00:57:31.590 --> 00:57:34.269 always world language. See how other people teach 00:57:34.269 --> 00:57:36.190 and what they do. And maybe you can incorporate 00:57:36.190 --> 00:57:38.010 something that they do or they can learn something 00:57:38.010 --> 00:57:42.130 from you as well. I agree. Observing teachers 00:57:42.130 --> 00:57:45.309 is really, really important. I 100 percent agree 00:57:45.309 --> 00:57:48.090 with that. Right. So, yeah, observing teachers 00:57:48.090 --> 00:57:51.449 and getting yourself training, but then also 00:57:51.449 --> 00:57:54.150 studying theory. You know, you really should 00:57:54.150 --> 00:57:59.789 read one of Dr. Bill Van Patten's books. You 00:57:59.789 --> 00:58:03.010 know, read the natural approach by Krashen, you 00:58:03.010 --> 00:58:06.190 know, from the 70s when, you know, this was kind 00:58:06.190 --> 00:58:08.690 of more, you know, this methodology was kind 00:58:08.690 --> 00:58:11.829 of more in seed form, you know. Read Dr. James 00:58:11.829 --> 00:58:17.409 Asher. with TPR from the 1960s. I have all those 00:58:17.409 --> 00:58:21.409 books. There's a lot of good books. I'm actually 00:58:21.409 --> 00:58:23.809 in a college class right now for my graduate 00:58:23.809 --> 00:58:27.190 program. We're reading Common Grounds by Dr. 00:58:27.889 --> 00:58:31.389 Florencia Henshaw. That's a new book out there 00:58:31.389 --> 00:58:34.090 right now. I believe it's published by Actful, 00:58:34.190 --> 00:58:37.329 but it has a lot of these same ideas. Yeah, we 00:58:37.329 --> 00:58:41.010 read that one for our summer book club. Yeah. 00:58:41.449 --> 00:58:45.269 i i would definitely start with dr bill van patten 00:58:45.269 --> 00:58:49.289 and dr crashin though yeah you know i agree uh 00:58:49.289 --> 00:58:54.650 but uh you know theory professional development 00:58:54.650 --> 00:58:57.250 visiting other teachers and then you're really 00:58:57.250 --> 00:58:59.989 not going to have time for much more agreed yeah 00:58:59.989 --> 00:59:01.869 and i agree with the theory because you need
00:59:01.869 --> 00:59:05.409 to know why we do what we do in ci it's not just 00:59:05.409 --> 00:59:08.110 doing it for the sake of doing it i remember 00:59:08.110 --> 00:59:10.760 when i first learned about crash and I don't 00:59:10.760 --> 00:59:14.280 have children, and so I'm like, okay, I believe 00:59:14.280 --> 00:59:16.539 you because you're smarter than I am and you 00:59:16.539 --> 00:59:19.440 studied this, but I've not really experienced 00:59:19.440 --> 00:59:21.920 this in real action. And then when my niece and 00:59:21.920 --> 00:59:25.179 nephew were born and I watched them learn language, 00:59:25.260 --> 00:59:29.059 I'm like, oh, I'm seeing Stephen Krashen in action, 00:59:29.119 --> 00:59:33.179 in real life. And I'm like, now I believed you, 00:59:33.320 --> 00:59:37.039 but now I have the proof. to go behind my own 00:59:37.039 --> 00:59:38.840 personal experience. That's what I'm going through 00:59:38.840 --> 00:59:41.139 now. I have a two -year -old son and I'm seeing 00:59:41.139 --> 00:59:43.900 Dr. Krashen verified and I'm also seeing Dr. 00:59:44.059 --> 00:59:47.019 James Asher. Yeah. Because my son has certain, 00:59:47.239 --> 00:59:51.179 like when he says, ¿Dónde está? He goes like 00:59:51.179 --> 00:59:54.519 that. ¿Dónde está? You know, so my wife is a 00:59:54.519 --> 00:59:56.719 native Spanish speaker. So, you know. Oh, okay. 00:59:56.820 --> 01:00:01.199 He actually knows more Spanish than English right 01:00:01.199 --> 01:00:04.179 now. But I'm seeing, and I'm seeing the comprehension, 01:00:04.440 --> 01:00:07.639 you know. You can ask him, you know, where is 01:00:07.639 --> 01:00:10.599 your foot? Where is mama's foot? You know, where 01:00:10.599 --> 01:00:13.480 is daddy's foot, right? In Spanish, right? And 01:00:13.480 --> 01:00:18.219 he knows it. But he can't produce. But he can 01:00:18.219 --> 01:00:22.219 demonstrate comprehension. It's really interesting. 01:00:22.320 --> 01:00:23.619 Because I remember the one thing that bothered 01:00:23.619 --> 01:00:27.539 me, I used to freak out. I'm like, my kids would 01:00:27.539 --> 01:00:30.199 leave out the verb is. And I'm like, okay, guys, 01:00:30.340 --> 01:00:34.400 Spanish is unique. You can have a one word sentence, 01:00:34.719 --> 01:00:37.280 but it has to be a verb. You cannot leave the 01:00:37.280 --> 01:00:39.059 verb out. You've got to have a verb in a sentence. 01:00:39.219 --> 01:00:43.360 And they'd write Chico Grande, Chica Bonita. 01:00:43.380 --> 01:00:45.639 And I was like so frustrated, like you've got 01:00:45.639 --> 01:00:48.579 to have a verb. You've got to have a verb. And 01:00:48.579 --> 01:00:52.219 then I watched my niece and nephew and the English 01:00:52.219 --> 01:00:56.739 is drops out and then comes back. And I'm like, 01:00:56.739 --> 01:00:59.840 what? And then Bill Van Patten says it drops 01:00:59.840 --> 01:01:03.340 out. Because is carries no meaning whatsoever. 01:01:03.860 --> 01:01:07.599 There's
no meaning to it. It doesn't have a meaning. 01:01:07.699 --> 01:01:10.219 How do you express is? It doesn't have meaning. 01:01:10.460 --> 01:01:12.960 And in some languages, especially the Arabic 01:01:12.960 --> 01:01:15.980 languages, don't even have a word for is at all. 01:01:16.059 --> 01:01:20.079 It doesn't exist in the language. Hebrew, Arabic, 01:01:20.320 --> 01:01:22.260 they just don't have that word. And I'm like, 01:01:22.320 --> 01:01:25.780 oh, that makes so much more sense. in those kinds 01:01:25.780 --> 01:01:28.719 of things. It expands to why American kids really 01:01:28.719 --> 01:01:30.679 don't understand gender very well and they make 01:01:30.679 --> 01:01:33.400 the mistakes because it has no meaning. Whether 01:01:33.400 --> 01:01:38.059 you say Chico Bonito or Chica Bonito, it doesn't... 01:01:38.860 --> 01:01:41.260 It doesn't change the meaning of the sentence. 01:01:41.420 --> 01:01:44.360 So those things are later acquired because of 01:01:44.360 --> 01:01:46.980 that. What's really impactful to the meaning 01:01:46.980 --> 01:01:49.539 and understanding, that gets acquired first. 01:01:49.840 --> 01:01:52.260 And so it was really interesting to see that 01:01:52.260 --> 01:01:54.639 in action. And as I said, since I don't have 01:01:54.639 --> 01:01:58.820 kids on my own, seeing it in my niece and nephew 01:01:58.820 --> 01:02:02.920 was really fundamental for my understanding. 01:02:03.000 --> 01:02:05.019 I believe what he said because I know he's smarter 01:02:05.019 --> 01:02:10.369 than I am. It just to see it in action is a whole 01:02:10.369 --> 01:02:14.409 nother level of understanding. Yep. Okay. Well, 01:02:14.409 --> 01:02:16.710 our time is up. Thank you so much for speaking 01:02:16.710 --> 01:02:19.750 with us. Is there a place where people can get 01:02:19.750 --> 01:02:21.949 in touch with you if they'd like to speak with 01:02:21.949 --> 01:02:26.190 you? Well, you can just send me an email at Gregory 01:02:26.190 --> 01:02:31.090 Schwab at gmail .com. Easy to remember. I also, 01:02:31.110 --> 01:02:35.869 I also make CI music. I'm on Spotify, the CI 01:02:35.869 --> 01:02:43.840 Ninja. Okay, on Spotify, CI Ninja. Spotify, Apple 01:02:43.840 --> 01:02:47.699 Music, YouTube, and any other places where music 01:02:47.699 --> 01:02:51.420 is streamed to CI Ninja. So I got some songs 01:02:51.420 --> 01:02:53.179 that you can play as your students are coming 01:02:53.179 --> 01:02:56.099 in the room. And I have some songs based on stories 01:02:56.099 --> 01:03:00.900 that my students have created. Awesome. As my 01:03:00.900 --> 01:03:03.300 students say that there's some bangers on there 01:03:03.300 --> 01:03:06.880 and some of those songs are straight gas. Check 01:03:06.880 --> 01:03:09.360 them out. Okay, I will. That's good. I'll put 01:03:09.360 --> 01:03:12.300 that on my Spotify list for tomorrow. Awesome. 01:03:12.380 --> 01:03:14.559 Awesome. Well, I thank you for having time and 01:03:14.559 --> 01:03:18.719 sharing your story with us today. And if anybody 01:03:18.719 --> 01:03:22.059 has any questions, type them in the chat. If 01:03:22.059 --> 01:03:24.440 not, if you're watching this on the replay, put 01:03:24.440 --> 01:03:26.739 them in the comments afterwards and I'll make 01:03:26.739 --> 01:03:30.079 sure to get them to Gregory so that he can answer 01:03:30.079 --> 01:03:33.110 them for you. With that, I will say good night 01:03:33.110 --> 01:03:36.869 for everybody. I will see you on Tuesday, 5 p 01:03:36.869 --> 01:03:39.530 .m. Pacific, 8 p .m. Eastern, where we'll have 01:03:39.530 --> 01:03:42.849 another Immediate Immersion Live. And we also 01:03:42.849 --> 01:03:46.889 have another guest next week. And I do not know 01:03:46.889 --> 01:03:49.539 who it is just yet. I can't remember. My mind. 01:03:49.739 --> 01:03:52.559 Today's just been a really hectic day. But keep 01:03:52.559 --> 01:03:55.500 an eye next Thursday, 5 p .m. Pacific, 8 p .m. 01:03:55.500 --> 01:03:57.400 Eastern. We'll have another CIA story for you. 01:03:57.539 --> 01:03:59.719 So if you're interested in that, you can tune 01:03:59.719 --> 01:04:02.420 in for that. And with that, I'll leave you guys 01:04:02.420 --> 01:04:05.960 with our outro and I will see you soon. All right. 01:04:05.980 --> 01:04:06.380 Thanks a lot.
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