Full Transcript for Community Connection - June 9 2026 - Tina Cosby welcomes Captain William Carter - IMPD Captain of Criminal Investigations and more

President Maggie Lewis, who was here last week with us UH, said that they are ready to work with the mayor, and hey, they're ready to talk. I'm willing to talk. But at this point, with the deadline to get those funds raised for the matching funds from the state rapidly approaching, they want to get going. They want to get something done, so they're willing to talk. The mayor I think is more than open to talking as well, and so we'll see how that goes. But in the meantime, tonight at five point thirty, at nine to oh one Shelby Street nine oh one Shelby Street. The City County Council's Administration and Finance Committee is going to need to take public comment from you regarding that proposed excise tax hike to pay for potholes and from link sidewalks here in the city. This is going to be the first of three public committee meetings for the council. Three of the council's scheduled committee meetings are going to be taking place. The first one tonight. The next one is going to be Thursday. That's going to be in Pike Township. In fact, tomorrow, I believe the Pike Township Trustee is going to join us to talk more about that upcoming meeting taking place in her area. Three one seven for eight zero thirteen ten. Three one seven for eight zero thirteen ten is the number to the show lines are open for whatever may be on your mind. Yeah, go ahead. 00:04:39 Speaker 1: Have you noticed fewer potholes of late? No, h you have not. I'm just curious, just wondering. 00:04:45 Speaker 2: What is that your is that your impression? 00:04:47 Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying, say, no, not just the light check. Maybe you've seen something. 00:04:52 Speaker 2: No, I Unfortunately, I guess it just depends on the routes that you take, and I I have been mindful of not going where I know that there are still some pretty serious potholes. And no matter how many times you report them and call them in, phone them in, you still have to wait until I don't know, but no, I haven't noticed anything one way or another. For a minute, it seemed like a lot of areas were getting a lot of that patch exactly stripping. Yeah, that was really good. And now I haven't seen any. 00:05:30 Speaker 1: Maybe it's happening and we just missed it. I mean, it's a pretty large city. It is, what three thousand I think. I remember hearing a number of mayors say Indianapolis has three thousand miles of streets. 00:05:42 Speaker 2: Okay, that makes sense. 00:05:43 Speaker 1: I remember hearing Mayor Hutting not say that. 00:05:45 Speaker 2: And other man, I remember several years ago when we were talking about how much would it cost, how much would it cost to clean up and just resurface every street in indian Apples and Marion County. And this was a few years ago, and they the estimate was around a billion with a B billion dollars, so oh yeah, But now a few years later cost of increase, so too. Have the number of potholes and things of that nature. So I would think that it would probably upwards,

you know, over well over a billion. I don't know if it'd be a billion and a half or whatever. But before, like I said, maybe three or four years ago, we got that estimate. James might remember more than me, but we got that estimate, and I think it's probably a lot more now. Anyway, Yes, a lot of money, very expensive thing to do, but you know, the thought was do it over time, you know, get them, you know, get the cost a billion dollars and pay so much over every year, over time, and then just gradually get it taken care of. So there's a lot of possibilit and I don't think that this matching state funds thing is a bad idea. But how to get the money, I think is. 00:07:08 Speaker 1: Where the where they yeah, get the money. 00:07:11 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's the uh. But the mayor challenge that. 00:07:14 Speaker 1: Mayor challenge mayor mayor hog said notes. 00:07:17 Speaker 2: Hawk set notes, And if hawk Seid said we got this, the city has the money, then I have no reason not to believe in. Yeah, you know, I don't know if it means a cut in certain Sir, I don't know what all that means, so that's probably something he and the council are going to have to hash out. But he does not he does not want a taxi. So uh three one seven four eight zero thirteen ten three one seven four eight zero thirteen ten. Let's go to the phone lines. Jeff, go ahead. How are you? 00:07:46 Speaker 1: Thank you? 00:07:47 Speaker 3: How you doing? 00:07:47 Speaker 2: I'm doing well? How are you? 00:07:48 Speaker 4: Sir? 00:07:50 Speaker 3: Uh? Eric ewan, I believe what just ran into it? The five guys Burger place? 00:07:56 Speaker 2: Five guys Burger Which? What where was it? 00:07:59 Speaker 5: Uh? 00:08:00 Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know. 00:08:01 Speaker 2: I have no I don't have a clue. 00:08:04 Speaker 1: Do you go? 00:08:07 Speaker 3: No, God, here you go? 00:08:11 Speaker 1: Eric honk really oh, former governor? 00:08:16 Speaker 2: What's he doing now? Did he say or did you talk to him? 00:08:20 Speaker 6: No? 00:08:20 Speaker 3: He feels like he was in the middle side. But he seems like a pretty friendly guy. I know he did a dodge and you for a. 00:08:25 Speaker 2: Number of years, but well not just me, Cameron, and there are whole lot of folks he dodged. 00:08:31 Speaker 5: You know. 00:08:31 Speaker 2: I think the Governor's uh had you know, plural. They they they like to control their media, so to speak, and so they're only going to do so much. But yeah, he did dodge. He did dodge and duck, duck and dodge. 00:08:46 Speaker 3: Yeah, well you had him money under his best with you know, shaky, So yes, there's a lot for you. He's scary trying to dodge. But gee, I gotta get your opinion. What was your Kristen Walker Welger interview with Donald Trump? 00:09:05 Speaker 2: Oh, you know, I'm I'm really getting tired of that show, not yea. And when I say that show, that interaction, that there's nothing new about it. There's nothing that is revealing, And I don't think that there's anything. I don't think there's any value in it except showing that he you know what, where's the I didn't get the value. I appreciate. 00:09:31 Speaker 6: Behind. 00:09:32 Speaker 2: Yeah, he always shows his behind, so that's nothing new. I appreciate that she pressed a little more. But I'm really getting tired of these journalists that think they're scoring a big deal when they get him and then he just abuses them. And just like I was saying about the sixty we were saying about the sixty minutes interview a little bit ago. I would have cut it off. You know, at some point in time, they've got to start standing up to him, mister president. She did a fair, she did a she did the best job that I've ever seen anybody do so far. 00:10:07 Speaker 5: She did. 00:10:09 Speaker 2: And he jumped up and and and left and all that good stuff, the little temper tantrum. But they need to stop doing these. Just stop it. Or when he goes down that path and starts to lie, mister president, this is not the truth. And you know we're we're we're gonna deal with facts or whatever. Well, okay, thank you sir, and cut it off. I you know, I she she's been in she's been in that seat before. Other women, especially black women, have been in that seat. But you're not getting anything done. But I will. Like I said before, she has done better than anybody else that's done that routine with him before. She's done better. My fear and concern is that they're just gonna keep doing it and gonna keep letting him just flood the zone with lie after lie after lie after lie, and nobody taking a stance. As a journalist, you have to know how many times are you gonna sit there, I don't care who it is, and let somebody lie to you time after time, interview after interview. They're gonna keep lying. I don't get it. But yeah, I mean, I will give her credit, but I just tired of the whole routine. I'm just tired of seeing it. There was nothing new about the way he behaved with her. Uh, you know, go down the list, go down the list, all of them. Yeah, and you know, stupid fatty piggy. Uh, you're a disgusting verson, You're a discrition lo i Q and you're with a failing network. And that's why your news is so terrible. It's disgusting. 00:11:53 Speaker 7: Is to. 00:11:57 Speaker 2: Again? She First of all, I'll give her credit it for how she handled it. I will give her credit for what she did. But what did she accomplish? 00:12:08 Speaker 5: What did she accomplish? 00:12:10 Speaker 6: And how? 00:12:11 Speaker 7: What? 00:12:11 Speaker 2: What do we know now that we didn't know before she sat down with him? 00:12:16 Speaker 5: And guess who us is getting under his skin? Believe it or not, Hunter Biden? 00:12:21 Speaker 2: Hunter Biden? How's that? 00:12:23 Speaker 5: Oh he's the king. Oh he's a king of YouTube now. I mean he's been on Facebook YouTube talking about that Trump family. Come out. Oh, you guys came after me when I was working for Bereze Mound. You guys are stealing

millions from the Pentagon, from taking brides from the Saudi government. I mean, and he just oh, I mean yeah, any day he talked about his personal demons and all that, and you know, he says he's been cleaned for you know, seven years, and you know how many president of guy. I mean he's not I mean, Hunter, you ain't got his SkELL aton, but he's in president. Then again, we got in a White House. 00:13:02 Speaker 2: That's the other thing that just I almost went into her when they were talking about the one candidate I think he's in is it in Maine? It's good and that he uh sent some yeah, and took and just misbehaved, but has cleaned as you say, as Hunter Biden has since cleaned it up, took responsibility, said I did did it, didn't say it's the fake news media and that's fake news, and didn't lie and try to go around. I mean, he took responsibility for it. But I just was It's like, I'm like, really, you guys, really you all are covering that part of this kind when you let this this lunatic have a cake walk every single day on your airwaves and don't correct it again. Christian Welker did her thing. She did probably the best she could do, But I I can't see why she would ever want to do another interview with that man for what. I just don't see it. I'm so hired of that routine. It is exhausting and it's despicable. It's despicable that a public the person that is supposed to be the leader of the free world, behaves like a juvenile throwing a temper tantry. 00:14:16 Speaker 5: It's despicable, an eighty year old juvenile Delinklin. 00:14:21 Speaker 2: Yeah, and not only the way he treats a journalist, but the way he treats other heads of state. And you know, it's just I don't I don't know how people aren't embarrassed. But yet and still they're going to say this candidate in Maine is flawed. You know, they have no more credibility with me until they start calling that clown out for all of the lies and filth that he is spreading, until they start calling that out instead of letting it ride. They have no credibility with me if they if they see something in another candidate and say this could be a problem for so and so on such and says, no, you have no credibility with me when you're t turned the channel. When I heard them talk start talking about y'all. They've lost me. They have lost me because they are so inconsistent. Trump can get away with whatever as many lies and and and everything. They said, Now that this the uh, this despicable w this this this wrestling match that's going to be on the White House lawn. He's gonna be pimping coins with his image on it now or something like that. I don't even know what that was. And it's like, oh, they act like it, well, that's normal. But this guy here had a problem with another woman and his wife is they've worked through it. His wife is standing by him. But he could have a huge problem. Come on, I I you know that he has. I will say one thing he has done, he has been successful. And uh, I don't know, just destroying trust in media because I don't know what they're doing anymore. I have no idea what they're doing anymore. But and and why Christian Welker's producers and everybody put her through that or what they thought that they were going to get as Oh it's no, he's oh my goodness. So yeah, she she did well as well as could be expected, but she you know, she was hung out to dry. You know, just like everybody else, all the other folks. 00:16:22 Speaker 5: Well, you know what, and I close it is at least because yeah, who, I don't know if you heard about that. 00:16:28 Speaker 2: Well, I don't believe that. Do you believe that? Does that sound make him sound like a strong man, like a big guy. I don't believe that, because he's the one that sent out what was said, bbe Net and Yahoo hasn't said anything about that. Do you really believe that Trump talked to net and Yahoo liked that? The first time I heard him say, oh you're you know, I heard the so called transcript or the so called words that were said in that. Do you really believe that, Jeff come on well. 00:16:58 Speaker 5: Style, So yeah, you might have a incredibility. Might you might be right? You know good? 00:17:02 Speaker 2: I think yeah, trying to make his he's trying to make himself sound like a big man and a tough talk you know, a tough man, because he talked like this. I don't think he talked like that. I don't think that those were the words that were said. Now, maybe he might have pushed back a little, but I don't believe that those words were said. They're too perfect, It makes too much sense. 00:17:23 Speaker 5: But a NIGGA markers don't want to any more of their game. So that's what I heard. 00:17:27 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, my goodness, my goodness. So well, I don't know that. I deliberately stayed away from that yesterday for a reason too, because what you know, it was just trying to draw attention away from all the other stuff. And maybe he hates New Yorkers. He you know, the NBA hates hates that tells players to shut up and dribble or you know whatever for the most part, in a league that's went seventy percent black and in a city that's more than twenty five percent where he you know, yeah, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. Unbelievable, but yeah, I can. Yeah, what Jeff was talking about was that yesterday Donald Trump or last night went to the w the NBA, the NBA National Basketball Association playoffs. Well, it's not the playoffs for the championship. 00:18:25 Speaker 1: I've been paying attention. 00:18:26 Speaker 2: Yea, No, that's okay. This is and he, of all times and all days decided I Am going to go to a game for what he sat there and slept through most of it. Did you see the video that I saw the video. He slept through it, so you can wake up and text all night through the game. There's video of him sleeping. He slept, he went to sleep. Couldn't have been more interested. This is the city that he you know, he was trying to get five young black men killed who turned out to be

innocent and innocent by DNA. You know, there's nothing more clear than DNA. The Central Park five now the exonerated five, and took out a full page ad in the New York Times calling for the death penalty for these young men for you know, supposed for a brutal set of crimes, including raven and things in Central Park. They didn't do it. 00:19:31 Speaker 1: They didn't. 00:19:32 Speaker 2: They didn't do it. And to this day, he refuses to apologize, yeah, or say I was well, there will never if he ever says he was wrong about something. You know, we need to get our helmets on and run to the shelters because the world is getting ready to in. 00:19:51 Speaker 1: He's not apologized for anything. 00:19:52 Speaker 2: Yeah, but no, and the way he has treated that city, the black people in that city, the the the. 00:20:01 Speaker 4: The the. 00:20:03 Speaker 2: NBA, which is predominantly I mean it's more than seventy percent black, it is, and the way he had. What what do you want to be there for? 00:20:13 Speaker 6: You know? 00:20:13 Speaker 2: But I did not watch. I mean not that I was going to watch, because the Knicks and the Spurs. 00:20:18 Speaker 1: I mean, That's why I've not been paying any attention to it. And I like the NBA a lot, but I'm not paid any attention this year. 00:20:26 Speaker 2: It's none, yeah, none, And I especially, I made it a point not to even watch a millisecond of that particular game because I didn't want to see the Trump show, which you know, when celebrities go to certain sporting events and things of that nature, it becomes the celebrity show. 00:20:44 Speaker 5: You know. 00:20:45 Speaker 1: It wasn't getting cheers, and he was there and they put him on. 00:20:48 Speaker 2: The johnal tron. 00:20:48 Speaker 1: I heard about that. 00:20:49 Speaker 2: It was that, Oh was it? 00:20:50 Speaker 1: I didn't he agread a booze. 00:20:52 Speaker 2: All I saw was him sleepy wow, nodding. And as Jeff said, getting ready to be eighty years old. 00:21:00 Speaker 1: Why would he go to the game. 00:21:01 Speaker 2: I don't know why his eighty is not the same as Joe Biden's eighty. 00:21:05 Speaker 1: Oh that's different because he's Trump. 00:21:09 Speaker 2: Yeah, But I just I just refuse to even look at or critique or try to figure out another interview of him being questioned by a woman of color, because you know, he's going to try to take him to the woodshed. He's going to try to humiliate them, he's going to try to do whatever. So unless they anyway, no whatever, whatever, Reverend Phillips, go ahead. How are you? 00:21:40 Speaker 4: Oh, I'm doing pretty good? 00:21:41 Speaker 3: Tinah. 00:21:44 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:21:44 Speaker 8: I didn't want that met car. That's that's that's totally disrespect on that man. I don't know whatever that man was trying to prove he's all wrong. But I got information like when you when we had injured Assistance, I went down there to John Botter, and John Botter had me to to go online, uh submit some paperwork and they missed some payments. 00:22:28 Speaker 4: This isn't work when when people uh uh put their trust and somebody. 00:22:39 Speaker 8: Like like injured Assistance and they missed they've missed several payments. 00:22:46 Speaker 4: So when they when they uh, people don't want to say they was wrong or why they got it. It just go back to that you know about that orange man. You know when you can you can catch that orange man, and so many tales, he'll tell you it wasn't him, It wasn't him, and and. 00:23:22 Speaker 9: And and I think. 00:23:25 Speaker 4: I think we live in. 00:23:28 Speaker 8: In a messed up world, okay, because people don't want. 00:23:36 Speaker 4: Nobody correct him. 00:23:39 Speaker 8: If somebody do something to somebody, they get mad o temper cantrum. 00:23:47 Speaker 4: And you know they you catch a red handed and they don't. 00:23:54 Speaker 2: So, Reverend Phillips, what happened with your energy assistance? 00:23:57 Speaker 6: Uh? 00:23:57 Speaker 4: Well, Energy Insistent miss the pavement? 00:24:01 Speaker 2: Okay, they missed. 00:24:03 Speaker 5: I guess they missed like three or four payments. 00:24:11 Speaker 4: They didn't kinda I don't know. 00:24:15 Speaker 2: So where what's the situation now? Are you no longer receiving energy? 00:24:20 Speaker 9: What? You know? 00:24:21 Speaker 6: What? 00:24:21 Speaker 2: What's the situation has the utility company? 00:24:23 Speaker 4: Well? 00:24:24 Speaker 8: Well, well see what I told utility company. But I told the utility company. Uh I gave them some numbers when I got from United United Way. Yeah, I've been dealing with United Way okay, and not a way sending me. 00:24:47 Speaker 4: Applied back and they they said that that uh, that injury assistant was they mis several payments. 00:25:01 Speaker 2: So what's the status now for you with that as a result of that? What's going on now? 00:25:07 Speaker 10: To pay? 00:25:09 Speaker 7: All? 00:25:09 Speaker 10: Right? 00:25:10 Speaker 1: Well? 00:25:11 Speaker 2: I mean can they pay retro Huh? Can you can? Is there a retroactive I'm sorry? Go ahead, I said, God will take care of you in the mixed Yeah, the pain m hm. 00:25:28 Speaker 4: And we know we got to understand were living in in the world. 00:25:33 Speaker 2: Yeah, don't want to sell, but but you know this if other people My concern is that this could be happening to other people. So I'm trying to figure out what was the remedy for you? Uh, why would you have to pay if those funds had already been allocated to you and they just happened to miss payments. So it was is there something in place for them to be able to catch up or or pay the arrears by by which they are responsible. 00:26:06 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, you're right, they responsible for the bill, but they they tell you that we ain't got the fun now. 00:26:18 Speaker 2: So okay, here's here's so they they they did they missed the payments or did they run out of money? 00:26:26 Speaker 4: They

must did run out of money or something, I don't know what. 00:26:30 Speaker 2: Well, there's a difference. You need to find out what the difference was. If it was just a clerical error where they just you know, for whatever reason it was. 00:26:39 Speaker 4: The er was, well, was that they they don't even know what happened? 00:26:46 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, that that being the case, that that I don't know if that necessarily you need to find out did the money. 00:26:54 Speaker 4: Well, I'm still talking to to United Way, okay, and I'm talking to what's that other place? 00:27:04 Speaker 7: So with a h. 00:27:09 Speaker 4: Wait, I think it's. 00:27:12 Speaker 2: I I okay, I got it written down. Yeah, yeah, I think I know. 00:27:22 Speaker 5: Rev. 00:27:22 Speaker 2: Phillips. We're gonna take it. Yeah, I am a yeah, I know what you're talking about. Okay, We've got a caller that wants to follow up to what you were just sharing. So what I'm gonna do. We're gonna take a break and then when we come back, we're gonna go to this caller. So you keep listening and we'll hear what this caller wants to share with you. Revend Phillips. Okay, Okay, thank you, We'll be right back. 00:27:50 Speaker 10: Let's get back to the conversation. It's Community Connection with Tina Cosby on phrase Am thirteen ten ninety five point one. 00:27:59 Speaker 2: FM, and we're back with Community Connection. Yeah, Reverend Phillips. An interesting situation that he's in the Good News was that's under investigation. From what we understood from Reverend, I think had they concluded that he was just out of luck, there would have been a little butt. The fact that he did the three payments were missed, either by them running out of money or a clerical error where they was an oversight. Hopefully they'll get to the bottom of it, and they'll get to the bottom of it soon, because I don't want anybody that has been granted that's horrible. If you've been you know, granted assistance and then all of a sudden something happens with it and they said, well, now you got to pay. That's that's awful. 00:28:41 Speaker 1: That is awful. Doesn't help him at all. 00:28:43 Speaker 2: No, it doesn't at all. So let's go back to the phone line. See C wanted to follow up to what Reverend Phillips was saying. How are you see. 00:28:52 Speaker 4: Hu hi hi? Everybody? 00:28:54 Speaker 9: Yeah, I had there was a call in at first call that was saying that going on with her bield. But what I was told is that now this year energy assistance program is waiting for all of your money to run out if you got any kind of credit left on your left on your payments, right, And I do because I keep my phonties off right out more probably more calls than I am warm in the winter time, but I stay out anyway. But when I did well. 00:29:24 Speaker 4: I kept calling them or calling them. 00:29:25 Speaker 9: They said they were going to do a research of my my account. 00:29:29 Speaker 4: I paid my. 00:29:30 Speaker 9: Water sewerd bill in full, but when I got my bill for April and even states on the bill where I paid it in for a zero balance, but some kind of way they can coct it up that I still hold money. So I went through and then the match just simple add and as attractions. And what they had done was when the energy assistance money kicked in, it only paid part of my. 00:29:55 Speaker 5: Gas bill. 00:29:56 Speaker 9: When it shit A called, it was enough to cover all of it, they only paid part of it and they put the other part they didn't pay go to my water sower bill. Okay, So I had to keep calling them about that to get a straight up, but nobody would get back with me. You know, I kept calling them, and so what I did was I called it in between time calls the Indiana re r. 00:30:21 Speaker 2: Yeah, are R sick? Yeah, which they. 00:30:24 Speaker 9: Said they would check your toy. It's gonna take them thirty days. But I kept calling back that we did the math. They went on to another senior rep. And all that and uh family they had, they probably just didn't want to admit that it was an error made. 00:30:39 Speaker 1: Uh huh. 00:30:39 Speaker 9: They said they got it straight and gave me the right amount I supposed to pay, but of course they would not send me an updated bill a bar code where I could go to either CD yes, Family Dollar and. 00:30:50 Speaker 7: Pay it right. 00:30:51 Speaker 9: So but I wrote it on the bill, made a note of it, who I talked to and all that. 00:30:56 Speaker 4: But they claiming it's not gonna show. 00:30:58 Speaker 9: Up until my next bill, which to be July, because I got the June bill right, or I'm gonna pay what they told me to pay. But we already agreed and went through this. It got the right answer and what happens, but and they have wives that, but I still don't. 00:31:16 Speaker 4: Know until I get that next bill. 00:31:18 Speaker 9: And I hope I don't have to go through this because I've been calling them a whole week and a half. Nobody will return the calm and they don't care because they not the ones gonna pay it either. If we gonna pay, I'm pay it. If they say that's what it is, you know, and you can't get nobody to go through it but call call them. At least they can find out why this keeps happening. 00:31:38 Speaker 6: In the view. 00:31:40 Speaker 9: You know, so far it's just been three people are heard on your progress, me and two other people that's saying that. But they need to call something, call that place like I call a regulatory utility place, and at least are the be all recorded with peoples having problems with this. And I said, we need to find out what's going on with the money. 00:31:59 Speaker 4: Why they not can't all the bill? 00:32:01 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I would agree. Part of the bill, I would agree. I would agree exactly. 00:32:07 Speaker 9: And so I just want to know to answer around because this ain't the first time they've done me like this, you know. And I pay my water swer in full because I'm

getting helped with the gas. So there's no reason why I can't pay the whole water sword bill, which is the highest. 00:32:24 Speaker 2: Of the back. Yeah, water in that outrageous with the sewer is the thing is like, my goodness, that's like double water bill. 00:32:33 Speaker 9: My water bill only runs me about twenty one dollars, but the usage fee forty seven dollars fourteen centens wasn't biting my butt. I mean sword bill. They did a sword bill forty seven dollars to flush your polly. I even tried not flush if my saw they're hoping it would make. 00:32:51 Speaker 2: The meals. 00:32:54 Speaker 9: That don't work either. 00:32:55 Speaker 2: No, it doesn't work. 00:32:57 Speaker 9: That don't work. 00:32:58 Speaker 1: Wasn't some of that money supposed to go to that underground uh sewer sewer operation they were rebuilding, taking a number of years. I think Fall Creek was a part of it. 00:33:11 Speaker 9: Now, I tell you what, I still my water line still got copper and lead in it. Now. The year before I had them testing was just lead. Now I got copper in lead. I don't know how they are happened, but they're supposed to be getting over. 00:33:24 Speaker 4: They gave me a letter two years ago saying they're gonna come. 00:33:27 Speaker 9: Over replace the leads over there, and I called and checked on that to sins. They was trying to make me, you know, putting an extra money onto my water bill. And they said they they found found square. 00:33:38 Speaker 4: So they working their way. 00:33:39 Speaker 9: So I don't know when, but they said I won't have to pay for that because I just got a rate eyed gas mitigation system put up to my house for the high rate iron gas lift, which they don't tell nobody about the causes lun of cancer. That cost me eight hundred dollars and they ain't even a year old, and I'm having problems with that. 00:33:58 Speaker 2: But you know what I want to know, see and Eric, is why I've had my house what do they call it? Energy efficient? Trade whatever? So I've had that, you know done. I had that done a little while ago, and then I had it redone several weeks ago. Why is my if my house is energy efficient? And I even got a new refrigerator because they told me my old one needed to be replaced, so I got a new one. But anyway, with me being so energy efficient and checking all the boxes and everything, how come my light beill went up? My energy bell went up? 00:34:36 Speaker 1: That's a good question. 00:34:37 Speaker 2: Did you get your generation fan put in. 00:34:40 Speaker 9: Your bathroom that's supposed to round twenty four to seven? 00:34:44 Speaker 2: What's done in my bathroom? 00:34:45 Speaker 9: They said I need to leave it on. They're supposed to keep mode out of the house. 00:34:50 Speaker 2: Yeah, now they pushed this. 00:34:51 Speaker 9: Iteration fan in my bathroom, said I. 00:34:54 Speaker 4: Should keep it on. 00:34:54 Speaker 9: I said, well, damn, I'm gonna be able to turn it off because I got a weatherization update as well. 00:35:01 Speaker 1: All of that. 00:35:02 Speaker 9: I ain't got the bill for that yet because it ain't been a home off yet. 00:35:06 Speaker 2: Well, I've had two bills since they came and redid my house and then I did an online version. Uh, and they sent me you know, I remember I told you they wouldn't send me the air purifire, but they sent me a power strip and uh a shower head and a uh what else? Oh and a Fawcet, a Fawcet filter. 00:35:30 Speaker 9: Some of that stuff too. Man updates to they told me to get. But I don't know what the bill will be yet because they just put it in. 00:35:37 Speaker 2: Well, I still have light bulbs from when they came the first time several years ago. Because those light bulbs last I told you I still have. Don't give me time this time, but I never got the light bub but they yeah. But I don't understand how if I'm if I'm complying and everything looks good and I only needed this and that. Why the last two bill cycles since you've been here, did my bill go up? 00:36:01 Speaker 1: Maybe it's because they have to pay for the aith. 00:36:08 Speaker 9: To they want. They keep They kept trying to get you. They want you to get another thermostat, and I got another furnace, but they want to put you another thermostat on there. And it's supposed to be it is your fish but I think that that thermostat they run, they control that yo eat your. 00:36:26 Speaker 2: Err yeah they do. 00:36:29 Speaker 9: I don't know until I get my bill, but I already know the arirations fan they talking about leave it all because they teach the mold. I don't even have mode. But they said, now, I've been in the house fifteen years and they checked it before they get all this stuff. I don't have mold, but they still put that fan in. 00:36:49 Speaker 2: They have to, you have to. 00:36:51 Speaker 9: But but I asked them, does they help keep the rate iron gas out of the house? 00:36:56 Speaker 7: No? 00:36:57 Speaker 9: So what difference is gonna make it? 00:36:58 Speaker 5: Some day? 00:36:59 Speaker 9: On right, I ask mitigations. The mnometer thing is switched to something else and then nobody's ads with me. So I'm like a guinea pick for that to see if that works. 00:37:09 Speaker 1: Oh, you Bill c does it? I'm sure you check it all. I know you look at it all the time. It doesn't say estimated at any point, does it. 00:37:17 Speaker 9: That's to make what you like. 00:37:19 Speaker 1: Sometimes readings they'll say it'll say estimated reading, meaning they didn't actually uh come out or check it remotely. 00:37:27 Speaker 4: Not the bill. 00:37:28 Speaker 1: Yeah, on the bill itself, does it say doesn't say estimated? Bill does it all right, like there will be an e sometimes there. 00:37:34 Speaker 9: Now you're talking about that other thing they send you to let you know how much energy, you to say, I got that before I got the sub stuff in style, so I won't know. They usually send me that about every three months,

so I won't know for a couple of another couple of months, but that I just got that one before they did all this other upgrade to my house. Right, I won't know that for a couple of months. And it was already down because I told I, like I said in the way the time I stay hot anywhere, I sit up with sweats and a blanket around me, keeping my furners off, so my my gas bill ain't high. And the same with the with the air conditioning. The air condition is on now when it hits eighty degrees in my house. Then I turned my air on, so it is one. Now it's been on all week. 00:38:19 Speaker 2: It's gonna be on tomorrow too because it's gonna be. 00:38:23 Speaker 4: Like it's don't be. 00:38:24 Speaker 9: All, it's gonna be all. It do be cool when I walk in, So I think that's working. Okay. There wasn't nothing wrong with my air conditioning, no way, right, But it still works out for the furnace furnish, right man, I'm gonna tell you, I don't know whether believe him or not, but I'll be watching my bill and that's gonna tell the real tale, real deal. 00:38:45 Speaker 10: The one good thing. 00:38:46 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's a good that's a good reminder to everybody. See that that gets energy assistance because the one thing that I was encouraged about. Although, like you said, Reverend Phillips is gonna have to stay on them. He's gonna have to stay yeah, because he did say that they're looking into it, which is okay, that's good, but you gotta you gotta check. 00:39:04 Speaker 9: In meet her too. But they never got back with me, right, So. 00:39:07 Speaker 2: You have to keep checking in. That's what I'm saying. You gotta keep checking out. 00:39:10 Speaker 9: You get a different first and every time you call. 00:39:13 Speaker 2: Yeah, some knowledgeable, some don't know where the where the restroom is in the building, so. 00:39:21 Speaker 5: You don't even think they're in the building. 00:39:22 Speaker 4: I think them are just people that you call. 00:39:24 Speaker 9: And you know, everybody work at home with these remote calls. 00:39:27 Speaker 2: Now, yeah, yeah, you have your own home coach center and their job at your house. 00:39:31 Speaker 9: You if you time for a regular representative they got the you got to go on another thirty minute hole to get to a senior rep. They can go back on your bill as far back as they can go, and then they need to go they got to contact the billing people. 00:39:47 Speaker 4: So you know it took two hours. 00:39:49 Speaker 2: Yeah, every time I con took anywhere. 00:39:51 Speaker 9: For forty five minutes, and the last time it was two hours. 00:39:55 Speaker 4: But they said they got it straight. 00:39:56 Speaker 9: But I ain't gonna know that because they won't send me an updated bill. 00:40:00 Speaker 4: They said they they won't even send. 00:40:01 Speaker 9: Me an updated bar cole, right, they said they. I said, well, I'm getting the money you order, right, but they won't give me an updated bar call to or updated bill. 00:40:12 Speaker 2: I want a bill, say that, and that's the point. 00:40:16 Speaker 9: It should be on the next bill. But I don't know that. 00:40:19 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that and that's gonna that's gonna be the point. See. And again the thank you for sharing that. Thank you for you know, giving the details to that, because people like Reverend Phillips are gonna need to know. As painful as it might be, like C said, sometimes it can get up to two hours. And we we all have been on that call for someone something one way or another where you know, it's just taking up time. And you just gotta be more determined than they are. 00:40:46 Speaker 1: That's true. 00:40:47 Speaker 2: Keep calling. You just gotta be more determined than they are. And See is definitely more determined. And I'm sure Reverend Phillips will be two. So you gotta gotta stay on them, stay with it, stay with it, wear them out, wear them at. You know, this is the month of June, kind of brand new. We're still just easy. Well, tomorrow it's gonna be double digit June, you know, it'll be the June. And June, of course, among other things, is Black Music Month. Yeah, And so I was going through our topic pulse. You know, look we get that once or twice sometimes twice. 00:41:23 Speaker 1: A day, yeah, twice a day sometimes. 00:41:26 Speaker 2: Yeah, just different things that are trending, that people are talking about that you may be interested in knowing. And this little article right here, this spot caught me and I was like, huh. And so the headline was ten songs that have made Black music history, and again, June is Black Music Month. And it goes on to say that some songs don't just become hits, they become part of music history forever. And I have to say Motown was always something we knew about and enjoyed. Our parents did and introduced us to it and things of that nature. But it wasn't until majority or other populations or other groups of people started learning more about Motown than all of a sudden, Hey, this is really really good. 00:42:23 Speaker 1: You know exactly, this is good and so good. 00:42:25 Speaker 2: Now, yeah, but we' that's what we had, you know, and so now it's historic. 00:42:32 Speaker 1: That's historic. Now it's like we already knew that. 00:42:34 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we knew that. But anyway, here it says ten songs that have made black music history. You want to know what they are? 00:42:41 Speaker 1: Yeah? 00:42:42 Speaker 2: Okay, it says, uh, the six second a man break from Amen Brother by the Winstons maybe the most famous drum beat ever created? Okay, are you familiar with this one? 00:42:59 Speaker 4: No? 00:42:59 Speaker 1: You know, I'm not believe it or not. 00:43:01 Speaker 2: I wasn't either, not by name, but when I heard it. When I heard it, I said, oh, that's what that is. Huh, that's what that is. And so it's the it's a six second Amen break from Amen Brother by the Winstons, And it says here that it may be the most famous drum beat

ever created. Do we have any of that you think. 00:43:22 Speaker 1: I think I have a bit of that me. See, I think this might be it. Yeah, I've heard that before. I've heard that. 00:43:37 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it. 00:43:38 Speaker 1: That's a part of a lot of. 00:43:40 Speaker 2: That's how a lot of drum solos at concerts that get started. You know, they'll start with this drum lote, this drum beat right here, and then they'll go So that's it. 00:43:50 Speaker 1: That's it. 00:43:51 Speaker 2: That's the one. 00:43:51 Speaker 1: I've never heard of. The Winstons I had neither. I never heard of a brother, neither have I Can I play one more time? 00:43:58 Speaker 2: Yeah? 00:43:58 Speaker 1: I played again one more time. Well that's new to me. I mean that beats not but the Winston's I've never heard of it. 00:44:12 Speaker 2: Winston's somebody had a good right foot. Really, if you ever heard the folks say, oh that drummer got a good right foot, boom bum. 00:44:21 Speaker 1: And I played drums in high school? 00:44:23 Speaker 2: Oh you did? Okay? You played the trapper? 00:44:26 Speaker 5: Uh? 00:44:27 Speaker 1: Everything, everything, just everything? 00:44:29 Speaker 2: Do you still play? 00:44:31 Speaker 9: No? 00:44:32 Speaker 1: I haven't played in years. My brother tried to get me to play. One of my nephews he plays like, oh like he's been playing forever and he's only thirteen years old. 00:44:42 Speaker 2: They say drummers have a higher level of intelligence and he does. Yeah, because I remember when the kids were in school that everybody wanted to play drums or sex and it was so no seriously, in the band, if you joined the band, most of the kids want to either play drums or sex and they limit the number. They put them through these these little tests like things and uh to see and those who passed the test, uh, you know, apparently were better suited for drumming and saxophony. I had never heard that until I kind of heard that. 00:45:16 Speaker 1: I know, my daughter now she played violin. Yeah, she hasn't played in years. 00:45:21 Speaker 2: My daughter played clarinet, clarinet and my son played clarinet. They both played clear did they in the band? 00:45:30 Speaker 5: Yeah? 00:45:30 Speaker 1: Do they still play? 00:45:34 Speaker 7: No? 00:45:34 Speaker 2: No, no, that was just a money grab in middle school, you know how that Oh yeah, they even have payment plans for these like. 00:45:45 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. 00:45:46 Speaker 2: Yeah they had the parents that had because you know, but anyway, it was it was good experience. It was good, really good. So anyway, that's the that's that's a part of music history forever, that particular drum drummer I'm from the amine. Also, James Brown's influence on sampling culture is almost impossible to measure. His song Funky Drummer became one of the fundamental records for hip hop production. Lynn Collins song think About It gave the world one of the most recognizable sounds in music history. Yeah, wooh you bat, I think. 00:46:22 Speaker 6: Something like that. 00:46:23 Speaker 2: From hip hop to R and B slow jams, that gap bands outstanding has been sampled and interpolated, inter interpolated for generations. I've never heard that word either, O fancy fancy, fancy topic polls, Frankie, the recently deceased Frankie Beverly, and Mazes before I Let Go became a cultural anthem at cookouts, family reunion's, weddings, and parties everywhere, And of course, Beyonce just took it to another level. The futuristic synths and talkbox sounds from Zapp's Computter Love helped shape the sound of the West Coast hip hop and modern R and B for decades. Yeah, and many fans instantly recognized the Isley Brothers between the sheets from Ice Cubes. It was a good Day, But It's smooth production and laid back groove have inspired countless artists Beyond that. The Isley Brothers between the Sheets became one of the most sampled R and B songs ever thanks to its smooth instrumentation and timeless vibe. Do we have that one? So think the ones that are the best ever the drum and then the Isley brother I never would have thought. I never would have thought, and. 00:47:39 Speaker 1: Being on the music side of it for years as I have the same here. But here is there's that. 00:47:47 Speaker 2: Okay, that's history, folks. Oh yeah, Okay. The groove behind Juicy Fruit became legend after inspiring classics like the Notorious b IG's Juicy Teddy, Pendergraz created one of the smoothest soul records ever recorded with love t Ko Teddy would shout. 00:48:13 Speaker 1: You know, that was a big one. 00:48:14 Speaker 2: Mm looks like another. 00:48:16 Speaker 1: That was a big one. 00:48:17 Speaker 4: You know. 00:48:18 Speaker 1: I'm surprised they didn't mention that it's an instrument that Maurice White made popular from Colomba like a finger piano. Okay, they didn't mention any and I guess it's because a lot of his songs you hear that instrument. 00:48:34 Speaker 2: Well, let me see what a lot of times the the superlatives come. It depends on the source, and it says here this source is Black America web dot com. Uh and their article on most sampled Black songs. So I would think that something from Motown would have been. 00:48:56 Speaker 1: In here me too, because there are so many hits from most. 00:48:59 Speaker 2: Sampled many many many how many TV commercials and ads and things of that nature do you see? And here and here? But anyway, just a little uh, you know, a little trivia there for you with the June being Black Music Month, and we already we know, we know, we know that black music is a historic and has had historic impact in historic influence on our culture of today and continues to do so. So there we have it. The already have it there, we have it. Wow, Yeah, what do you think? 00:49:36 Speaker 1: I'm amazed by that? I still, you know, as you mentioned, no Motown there. 00:49:39 Speaker 2: Yeah, unless I'm missing something, unless one of these

but they're yeah, it was recorded under and I don't know all of that here under Motown. 00:49:49 Speaker 1: But a lot of music under Motown. 00:49:51 Speaker 2: But I would have thought of Rereatha Franklin's respect oh yeah, yeah. 00:49:56 Speaker 6: Uh. 00:49:56 Speaker 2: And the Temptations those seem to be the to Aretha Franklin Franklin and the Temptation Stevie of course, but. 00:50:05 Speaker 1: The four Tops are in there too. 00:50:07 Speaker 2: Four Tops, all of them, they're all there. 00:50:10 Speaker 1: There's a whole lot, a whole lot mm hmm. Just great music out there. 00:50:14 Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll enjoy it and appreciate it and pay a little bit more attention and say thank you during Black Music Month. June is Black Music Month. We got to get somebody in here. 00:50:25 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we should, We definitely should before the month's gone. Oh yeah, there's there's somebody out there. 00:50:30 Speaker 2: Oh, there's plenty books out there. When we come back, I m P D joins us are going to be talking about a lot of things, looking forward to the convo that's going to be right after the break. Stay with us. 00:50:50 Speaker 10: W t ol c A m W two three six C are Indianapolis broadcasting from the Praise Indy Indiego Studios, Indiego Boldly Moving Indy four. It's Community Connection with Tina Cosby on Praise AM thirteen ten ninety five. 00:51:05 Speaker 2: FM, and we're back with Community Connection. During the break, Eric, we were talking about how Earthwind, Yes, wasn't wasn't on there a get I think it's who compiles the list, what set of criteria they use. But I have heard throughout my life that the greatest band ever Earthwind and five. 00:51:25 Speaker 1: I've heard that too, And you're in music. They are, they are, And I've had a chance to see them in Chicago to get another green band, and they both together, I mean they're separately they're outstanding, They're awesome there they are superb, and then together they took it to another level. And wow, I saw them a couple of weeks. I did a lot of broadcast at the time from Music Center and they were there before me, and I'm like, I had never heard them together. 00:51:53 Speaker 2: It's like, whoa, wow, unbelievable. 00:51:56 Speaker 9: Yeah. 00:51:56 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the first band I heard live in concert was was War Okay, yeah, yeah. The big guy on the we call it the Bongo bongo. Yeah, he didn't move. He just looks kind of like a statue, but he was. He was he was hitting it, but he just just kind of was real cool. And I remember seeing that. But yeah, a lot of stuff. So, like I said, we gotta we gotta get some folks in here to talk more about black music now. Yah yeah, uh switching gears. As we were saying at the top of the show, I m p D is here with us. We have with us Captain William Carter. Uh he is I m p D Captain of Criminal Investigations, nuisance abatement, and missing persons. That's a whole lot on one plate. That is Captain Carter. Welcome, Welcome to

the show. How are you doing today? 00:52:49 Speaker 7: I am good? 00:52:50 Speaker 8: How are you? 00:52:51 Speaker 7: There's other units in there, but those are the two that I guess through the most for the departments. So but also Auto Theft and pawn unit, corforateure, for aud and grand jury, animal control. 00:53:03 Speaker 2: So which which units do you oversee? 00:53:06 Speaker 6: Then I oversee all of them, all of them? 00:53:09 Speaker 2: Oh man, Okay, I didn't get it because I was thinking curfew enforcement, enforcement for bars in the city, permits for parties and events, runaways, missing persons, and you say and. 00:53:22 Speaker 7: More and more so, so nuisance abatement is where I started doing nuisance abatement as a patrolman. So it kind of has followed me throughout my career. And we started that back and when my space was still around for us older folks, and so I just as I've gone up the ranks, stayed with me. So that's kind of my specialty. I guess with the department. 00:53:45 Speaker 6: So most people know me through missing persons and nuisance obatement. So okay, well others aren't important factions either. 00:53:54 Speaker 2: Nuisance abatements. Some of these so called nuisances throughout the city have become deadly over you know, just recently and over the years or what have you. So what is the abatement part of it? And you know, in terms of new what what how do you abate these areas? 00:54:15 Speaker 7: Sure, so we're kind of one of the few law enforcement agency or law enforcement units that we use civil We do civil stuff. When I say civil means we're not going to put you in jail, but we're going to go through our city attorneys, city prosecutor's office to get a means to stop whatever is happening. So, for example, if someone's having uh, if you remember the sixty fifth Street shooting, we had ten kids shot up their a couple of halloweens ago. So that building was an industrial building, right, you can't use that building to bring in one hundred to two hundred teams. 00:54:45 Speaker 6: So our goal is to is to stop that. 00:54:47 Speaker 7: Obviously, now we're police officers, so we can obviously put people in jail too, but our goal is to stop that and fix it. We don't want to we don't want to stop it for the night and then to come back to the next the next weekend or whatever. So we work with our city prosecutors to file a civil suit per se against the people that are even occupying or the people that are having the events and things like that. 00:55:09 Speaker 2: A lot has been happening at bars, a lot of you know, just just behavior that you just don't want to have happen in our city. You don't want to. I mean I could go, I don't even know where would I start. So what is the Is there any proactive measures that this abatement admission can take to keep bars in line? What you know, especially bars, because a lot of people go to these bars and before you know what you hear, you hear somebody shot? Does does it always mean that these bars are not enforcing the codes? 00:55:46 Speaker 9: Or what have you? 00:55:47 Speaker 2: Or do you do regular checks? How does how does that work? 00:55:52 Speaker 7: So new to abatement, One of the duties we have is we represent IMPD in the city when it comes to a remonstrance. 00:55:59 Speaker 6: So what are a monstrants is when things go bad? 00:56:02 Speaker 7: So in our city as we set today, there are seventeen hundred liquor license and I would venture to say that for the most part, the biggest majority of those not a problem. We don't have issues there. But when things start going bad, so what is happening in the location, we will meet with these bars and say, hey, we're seeing and incline and upticking runs and violence and things like that. Is there's something you're doing different. It could be as you know, the things that always comes up as promotions inside these establishment. So we try to educate bar owner and say, look, you know, you can't do things that might you know, attract, you know, things that could be problems. But if it goes to the point where if you saw last week on the news we remonstrated against patron Saint Downtown, that is our last level. 00:56:48 Speaker 6: I mean, if we get to that far. 00:56:49 Speaker 7: So what we do is we represent that case to the local Marin County Alcohol Board that's made up of four different members that are put there by city officials, and we will present a case and we'll just say, hey, we think that with what has happened at this location, that no longer needs the license and there's no longer a desire from the community to keep that permit, and we don't do that for every bar. Obviously we want to sit down and say, hey, what's going on? 00:57:15 Speaker 6: Can we fix this? 00:57:16 Speaker 7: Can we can we get it out where we're stop seeing the things that are going on. We do bar compliance checks with our different partners. So we have an alcohol task Force here in Marion County and it's made up of obviously us. We have excise officers, fire officials, door to health officials and we will go out on a weekend and go into the establishments and what we're doing is bringing them into compliance. We're not really going there and to look for violations, but I always did then. Example, we went out one Saint Patti's Day and it was very very cold, and what we were finding where there were numerous violations of pro paining tanks. And we went to a location where it had a wood balcony and they were using pro paine. As we looked up that balcony was actually on fire. So we're going out to make sure people inside these locations are safe. You know, we have bars downtown. The occupancy level is right at nine hundred, so we want to make sure the exits are open and things like that. There's not obviously violations that if something happened that would you know, could cause people a lot of lives and they can get out. So well, we work very closely with alcohol tobacco excise

officers are stationed here with us. We have some that work out of our office, and if that violence happens, we're going to be out there and we're going to be trying to figure out what happened and is there anything that could have been done different? What can we do to try to prevent that from happening again. 00:58:35 Speaker 2: So all of your activity, your your unit is not all Some of it is proactive, I guess, and then some of it is posts. Yeah, okay, So can the public call the department and say, look this bar or this this this this event space, there are people that are there that are that are being a nuisance and they're there every weekend. Can that be called in specifically or does that have to go through another because I know a lot of people that talk about different things that are nuisances, these street takeovers, the uh you know, the parking lots, the drag racing. So you know, to what extent does does your you know is your reach? 00:59:23 Speaker 6: So I'll go even better. 00:59:24 Speaker 7: So the alcohol, the loquor liken has come up for you know, the first money of every month. And if neighbors community partners, they have that ability to come in and say, hey, we know we're going to want this alcohol in our community. And it's actually a stronger coming from people that it's affected. I mean, if you live next to a location and that location is causing nuisances and parties and things like that, if it has that liquor license, they have that opportunity to come in and represent themselves. And it actually the way the way the law is set up for the Alcoholic Commission, it actually weighs heavily if it's coming from the neighbor. I tell people where the Police College will come. But it's going to affect me differently and our agency than somebody that lives next door to a location and every weekend they're a prisoner on home because something is you know, just out of line or something. So they have that opportunity and it's published. If you go to the ATC Local board, it's published every the locations are published on there, so you would know what license is coming up for renewal and they can come in there's to deny a license. They can come in and argue a couple of things, and what the local board and the commission is going to look for are you know, what are the issues there and the reasons they can deny it are are are pretty much that there's no longer a desire from the community, or that location is become a nuisance and that location is causing you know, disruptions in the neighborhood and things like that, you know, on a on a new permet So if a lot of times I tell people, if you see that orange sign in the window, that means there's a trance for that license. 01:01:00 Speaker 1: Come in. 01:01:01 Speaker 7: There's a new license coming there. And again the community still has that opportunity to come in and argue at the local board that they don't desire that alcohol, and they can just you know, their arguments can be there's no desire, there's already enough alcohol in our community, we don't want it, and things like that, But that gives them that opportunity to come in and voice their opinion and argue that, you know, we no longer want this in our neighborhood. 01:01:27 Speaker 2: Yeah, the concern, the frustration I think that a lot of people have when when things happen that are have been a nuisance or become a common nous news. Yeah, is that it's it's after the fact. You know, so many things are after the fact. So many problems are found to be a problem after the fact. 01:01:46 Speaker 7: And so. 01:01:48 Speaker 2: How can people know what the other than calling the police because that's the most common reaction, Like you were saying, the first Monday of every month, alcohol licenses are up for renewal. Where can people find out how to be proactive about things like that before a tragedy happens, because, like I said, everything that I mentioned here there you know it's been a death or you know, unfortunate. So what can people do? I mean, you know, people feel helpless and they you know, they call the police after something happens. What can they do in advance? Well, in addition to the meetings and where can they find out about it? 01:02:30 Speaker 5: Sure? 01:02:31 Speaker 7: So the meetings are posted like it said on if they search Indiana atc Local Board, it will pop up for the each month and they go through there from Marion County. It's held in those smaller conference room for the Council on the second floor of the Center Tower. It starts at nine thirty am. Like I said, it's always the first Monday. If it's a holiday, then it would probably be the Tuesday after that. There's issues at a location, I mean, they can call crime stoppers to six two tips. They can email us in our office and I will give that to you before we're done here. And uh, they can reach out to us and say, hey, this is a this is problem, this location is a problem. 01:03:12 Speaker 6: You know. 01:03:12 Speaker 7: Our biggest thing is we get loud music from those bars, and we'll reach out to the districts. 01:03:16 Speaker 6: We'll go buy and talk to them. 01:03:18 Speaker 7: If it continues to happen, we I mean, we can issue that that local ordinance, no back to that civil thing. 01:03:23 Speaker 6: We can issue that local ordinance. But a lot of this adds up. And that's the thing. 01:03:27 Speaker 7: Liquor license are either a one year or two year, and so if a place opens and they give us and the board and everybody, you know, hey we're going to do this and that we're going to have you know, strict restaurant. We're not going to have these issues. And uh and then once they sometimes they get the permit and it's it's flipped. You know, now we've got everything except what they said they were going to commit to our our alcohol Tobacco Commission is great. 01:03:53 Speaker 6: We have a great partnership with them. We can approach them say. 01:03:56 Speaker 7: Hey, they went to the

board, they were going to be, you know, doing a B and and they're doing the end of the I mean they're doing things that are way out of scope. And for example, we had one location on East Washington Street that came in on Monday and said they weren't going to have promotion. It was a family restaurant, and then that weekend we had a police action shooting there. So the local board said, now, you know, you you committed to this, but it's not what you committed to, and they brought it back and they actually changed their mind and took that license from them. 01:04:24 Speaker 6: So we keep we try to keep track of those and we look at the runs what's going on. 01:04:29 Speaker 7: Obviously again, if there's violence here, we're gonna we're going to look and see, you know, what's when is that license going to renew it? Is there enough there for us to bring it from the local board present our case. The new law coming into fact July first, that affects liquor license where the local, the Alcohol and Tobacco Commission, the state agency can actually come in and suspend that permit. Why they conduct an investigation if there's violence there. So that's that's their tool obviously, and we cannot use that so local jurisdictions, we don't really have the authority on a state license. 01:05:01 Speaker 6: It's the same thing as a daycare. I can't come in and tell you how to run your daycare. 01:05:04 Speaker 7: But our partnerships with these agencies it's really what helps us along. I describe nuisance subatement as a toolbox. Sometimes I need to open that door and have the health department come in or whatever those other agencies are when we rely a lot on them with partnerships to come in and please some of the problems at the locations. 01:05:21 Speaker 9: What is it that? 01:05:22 Speaker 2: And again three one seven, four eight zero thirteen ten lines are open three one seven for eight zero thirteen ten our guests, Captain William Carter, IMPD, Captain of Criminal Investigations, handles a lot of nuisance abatement. You're supervisor, of course, But here here's my question. What is it that you're finding that the bars are doing wrong that makes things go so horribly wrong at the bars Or is it that you know or our bars doing anything wrong at all? Maybe it's here. Here's why I ask. A friend of mine was saying, it's the crowd that these bars go after, that they attract that causes the problems. And I'm like, well, how do you know what crowd they're they're trying to attract? So are the bars doing something that they shouldn't be doing that increases the risk of things going haywire there going dangerously wrong? 01:06:17 Speaker 6: Sure, sure, it depends on the situation. 01:06:20 Speaker 7: I mean we always tell people, hey, at two o'clock, tone the music down, go little mellow the little you know there, or something like that, you know, to kind of calm the crowd down. But I'm not a lot of times it's just people are showing up and they're acting out. I mean, you know, is there something that the bar is doing that that's causing that? And a lot of times there just isn't. I can't put that on the bar. But if we're looking at a location and you know, did they hire somebody they shouldn't have hired? Was that person in charge? Was that person you know they did do a good background check? Are they letting minors? And you know, one of the things if you watch the patron Saint, was you know, we had a doorman that worked there for ten months chase two girls down the shot them on the street. And then the following weekend we had a large fight there and it was underage girls. And so how did those underage girls get in? Are they doing everything to keep the miners out? Are they doing everything to prevent you know, their employees carrying guns. 01:07:19 Speaker 6: Into the location and things like that. 01:07:21 Speaker 7: So that's a lot of times, Like I said, we can't say the bar is doing anything wrong, but you know, when we sat down, that's one of the things like what can you do different? We put it on the bar, and I will tell you nine times out of ten they come. 01:07:32 Speaker 6: Up with their own ideas to try to stop what's going. 01:07:34 Speaker 2: On in those let's go to curfew and curfew enforcement. And it's a topic of a lot of discussion over the last year year and a half or so, in part because of the double double homicide last fourth of July downtown Indianapolis, mostly juveniles, mostly young people. Where are we now? And I understand the city County Council wants to extend and tighten up even more the curfew restrictions here in the city. 01:08:10 Speaker 7: Sure, so one of the things that we deal with is the underage parties. So every weekend these parties are blasted all over social media. 01:08:20 Speaker 2: I was going to say, what's your social media input? What can you do? I mean, do you do you police that as well? Or is the social media something you can't do? 01:08:28 Speaker 6: No? No, absolutely. 01:08:29 Speaker 7: So we have people that send us tips, parents, officers that watch social media and what we will see. And here's the problem we run into is if you know, somebody posts an event at a house, you can't get a lot of people in the house, but that thing gets shared so many times, I mean multiple times, where now we have one hundred twourrented kids showing up at a location, and we. 01:08:50 Speaker 6: Try to get ahead of that. 01:08:52 Speaker 7: So if we see those posts, we're calling parents now. We're like, hey, you know, your daughter's fourteen years old, she's having an event. And some of the think when we send them the flyer, the flyer usually doesn't have friendly kid things on it. So we will send those flyers to the parent and say, hey, this is what your child's doing, and I will tell you. As long as long as I've been doing this since twenty ten, I never have a parent say hey, we're not concerned that we're still going to have the event. So a lot of that now is

we're trying to get ahead of that. So we spend most of our week building up to the weekend because by Thursday and Friday we want to have a lot of the events that we're seeing advertised and reaching out to the parents, reaching out to those promoters saying, hey, you know, for example, we had a canal takeover party by fourteen year olds. 01:09:36 Speaker 6: You can't do that. 01:09:37 Speaker 7: You can't go down, you can't have a hundred people show up, you can't you know, just things like that, and we try to get ahead of that because our curfew, obviously is when we have all these kids. 01:09:48 Speaker 6: And the other problem. Think about this. 01:09:49 Speaker 7: If we go out to a party and there's a hundred kids and we say, okay, everybody's got to leave. Where we going to push the's a hundred to two hundred and we have hundreds, sometimes hundreds of people show up. So now we've got to say, okay, we're to push them all out of this house. We want to push them out of this building. They're going to go to the gas station. You know, it's going to be havoc. Trying to get everybody picked up and things like that. So our curfew, as far as what we use it for a nuisance pavement, it's kind of kind of target those. Now, the city code, I would say, the city ordinance has ordinance violations that allow if you, as a business owner or you as a as a promoter, is going to allow somebody to violate that curfew and you have a hundred kids there, that is our option. The city can turn around sue that person for allowing and encouraging these use of to you know, violate the curfew. And I always thought, I mean, no one has a hundred kids. I mean I had, my kids are grown, thank God, right, But I mean, no one has a hundred kids. So when one hundred and two hundred kids show up and parents are like, well, hey, it was posted, it was only supposed to be these are all my daughter or son's friends, it's because that thing gets shared on social media just so many, so many times. And that's how a lot of times the underage parties they just get out of control because so many people show up and then if somebody doesn't get let in, sometimes that causes disturbances. 01:11:01 Speaker 6: But then again once they're there, I MPD. 01:11:04 Speaker 7: We have to figure out how we're gonna get rid of one hundred and two hundred kids, and it's a very slow process because we just don't want to push them out to the street, right We want people to come pick them up. We want a safe atmosphere. Even if we have to, you know, close these events, we still want to have as as safe as possible to get that these get picked. 01:11:21 Speaker 6: Up and and get them home. 01:11:23 Speaker 2: So the curfew situation describe it for us. Is there a need to tighten it up even more or you know, is it under somewhat under control? Well, yeah, gus give us the landscape a curfew. 01:11:37 Speaker 7: I think it's it's definitely there's a need for it, especially downtown. As you see we have youth show up downtown. I'm not sure what tracks them to downtown and their first way to get them legally for us to take that child, get them somewhere, have someone pick them up. That gives us that tool that says, okay, hey, we're gonna someone's going to come pick you up. We're going to hook them up with services and get them out out of downtown, especially off the street. 01:12:02 Speaker 6: And again, it depends on the situation. Itself. 01:12:06 Speaker 2: Okay, So you say there definitely is a need to tighten it up. 01:12:10 Speaker 6: Yes, And I think that's. 01:12:11 Speaker 7: Why, you know, Chief Terry has argued we need to extend this because we're still seeing some youth show up and we want to be able to it's not and to protect those youths. I mean, because if they're out at thirteen, fourteen year old is out at one or two in the morning, we want to protect that child as much as anybody else it's out, but we definitely want to give that person, give them a chance to get off the street and get home where they belong. 01:12:33 Speaker 5: Yeah. 01:12:35 Speaker 2: So what do you think do you think it will be at some point? I guess even more, even more restrictive or more restrictive. 01:12:43 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think now I'm looking at the you know what, I'm looking at the ordinance, you know. I think what we'll do is we'll look at it. Is it going to work. If it doesn't work, then we can go back. 01:12:53 Speaker 7: And that's something you know, the Chief and nearby can take the council and say we need even more restrictive. So I think we're going to see what it's at now and if there's a need to change it or not. 01:13:02 Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed, here's here's another one. Missing persons and runaways, and I guess we could stay in the teen or you know that area. How do you distinguish between the two because there, you know a lot of times families are frustrated because they can't locate a missing you know, a child is missing and they don't see it on TV. Or So what is the criteria for when law enforcement ask for additional help from the public or when law enforcement just when law enforcement says, well, this is a runaway as opposed to a missing person. 01:13:42 Speaker 7: Well, the runaway obviously deals with the age and what we look at. So last year in our city, my detectives took three thousand, two hundred and seventy three cases, and two thousand of those were runaways classified as runaways. So what we're looking at is the or reason to believe this this runaway or this missing person. We use the same criteria. Is there an endangerment aspect? Is there something are. 01:14:08 Speaker 6: They not familiar to this area? 01:14:09 Speaker 7: Is there a health risk? Is there something that would all that person to be more at risk if we if we don't find them. And as much as I would love to put all three thousand on the media. Obviously we can't do that, right, So, I mean we kind of look at each case and see, you know, is there an

endangerment, is they age? 01:14:28 Speaker 6: You know, is there health reasons and things like that. 01:14:31 Speaker 7: We just because somebody is a runaway and not a missing person for example, we still conduct the same investigation. 01:14:37 Speaker 6: Here. 01:14:38 Speaker 7: My detectives are looking, they're trying to find them, They're trying to locate them by the different kind of tools that we have. Sometimes we don't, you know, if the person that have a cell phone, for example, you know, we there's not a whole lot we do is find them that way. But there's other things we can do. We have We actually have dogs in our office that track missing people. We have cadaver dogs in our office that if it's that, you know, to check those areas. So we have the tools, but we classify each person a little different by their history and things like that. 01:15:08 Speaker 2: So when people are frustrated and like you say, the classification for runaway is different than the classification for a missing person, which apparently is different from the classification as pulling an amber alert, right. 01:15:27 Speaker 7: Right, So, and the thing that with amber alerts and silver alerts is that criteria is set by the State Police clearing house and there has to be that element for that to even make the amber alert. So a lot of times people will ask and they're like, why are you not doing an amber alert? Well, because it doesn't qualify. And when I say qualify, it's the standards that are set by the clearing house for the State Police. A lot of times you'll see a silver alert because a silver alert is less qualification, so we. 01:16:02 Speaker 2: Go ahead. I was always curious is to what the difference between a silver alert and an amber alert are, so go ahead. 01:16:09 Speaker 7: So an amber alert, it's a child under eighteen. They must have believed to be abducted and in danger of serious boiling harm or death. There must be enough to scriptive information to believe the broadcast would help, so the you know, the mass pushing of information, and so that's kind of the three criteria. We always enter everyone into the system, whether they're runaway, missing, whatever, We're going. 01:16:34 Speaker 6: To put them in the system. 01:16:34 Speaker 7: When I say, the system is going to go into the nationals database. So if somebody were to run them, for example, they're going to come back that they're they're missing. So that's kind of the criteria, which a lot of times we don't get that. There must be enough to scriptive information. The breathing of broadcasts will help because I mean, if somebody just leaves and we don't have those three elements, we don't meet. 01:16:57 Speaker 6: The criteria for the amber alert. Silver alerts a little different. 01:17:01 Speaker 7: The silver alert is there's a there are endangerment. There is no age for silver alert, so we can a lot of times get those now silver alerts. For medical we actually have to have a doctor that's willing to say yes, if this person's not found due to a medical condition, then there's a chance their health could be at risk. So we actually have to have a doctor that will give us their signature but will endorse the silver alert. So you have the green alert as well, which came out I think last year, and that was veterans to go missing. 01:17:32 Speaker 2: So I'm still unclear about the difference between it. I think I heard you say an amber alert under the age of eighteen and abducted, but a silver alert can be someone who's fifteen, sixteen, or seventeen as well. 01:17:45 Speaker 7: Right, Yeah, we could use a silver alert. There's really no age restrictive on that. It's just there has to be Again, it's less the elements to meet are less restrictive than. 01:17:58 Speaker 6: The amber alert. 01:18:00 Speaker 2: What's the difference between the silver and the amber. 01:18:03 Speaker 7: So for silver, it must be a missing endangered adult, missing endangered child, or high risk missing person, or have a mental impairment that's validated through a credible medical authority enough descriptive information believe the broadcast will help, which is another thing that mirrors the amber. Aller and course has to be recommended by law enforcement, so they're really the recommendation. I mean the element there is must be missing in endangered adult, missing endangered child, and the amber the amber is definitely restricted to under eighteen and the child must believed to be have abducted, so there's that abducted element and in danger of serious body harm or death. So that's the element we have to make. And so if a person, if a child runs away, we're not going to It's hard for us to make any either one of those unless we have something that we can argue on the impairment or something like that. 01:18:58 Speaker 2: And the way you know the difference between a runaway and a silver alert, I know ambers is real a lot more clearcut, but sure, do you look at the history or what do you look at to determine where you're going to categorize this child as either a Silver alert or a runaway. 01:19:16 Speaker 7: Well, the silver alert in the runaway, so runaway is just their status. The silver alert is something that's going to go through the state police, and then we're going to push that out. So you're going to get your probably get your I don't think they pay those out, but it would be more on the media that there's been a silver alert issued runaways when they come in. So when a missing persons comes into our unit, we're going to evaluate each one of those people to see if they meet any of these criteria Amber alert, if it's if it's if it's a child under eighteen, we're automatically going to look, Okay, would this qualify for an Amber alert, because if it does, then we're going to push that out immediately. So and then if we don't qualify for the Amber alert, we're going to see if it qualifies for the Silver. If it doesn't qualify for either one, it

doesn't mean we're not still going to work the case. It's just neither one of those. It's not going to get pushed out to the media. As far as an amber or a silver alert, We're still going to work as a missing child, and our detectives are still going to look and things like that. 01:20:12 Speaker 6: It's just it doesn't qualify for either of those. 01:20:15 Speaker 2: Eric, you look like you have a question. 01:20:17 Speaker 1: Oh, you answered, I was wondering the difference there, and that answered my question on the amber and the silver. 01:20:22 Speaker 2: Yeah, because I get confused as well too. 01:20:25 Speaker 1: I was wondering, how do you determine that? 01:20:26 Speaker 2: But that makes I see now, Yeah, but three thousand, three thousand faces. 01:20:32 Speaker 6: A year, Yes, that's so. Last year we worked a little about thirty two hundred cases. 01:20:36 Speaker 5: Wow. 01:20:37 Speaker 7: So and I said, twenty two thousand those were core classified as runaways. And then we do the kidnappings and the abducted kidnappings are tempted kidnappings. 01:20:52 Speaker 6: So, but it's just how we classify it. 01:20:54 Speaker 7: So, you know, our big thing is in the winter time, for example, we we people warm their up. Two weeks ago, it wasn't that code. Someone was warming the car up and. 01:21:03 Speaker 6: They stole the car. 01:21:04 Speaker 7: Well, the kids are in the backseat, so obviously that would definitely qualify right as the Hambreller. So we get a lot of that in the winter time, which really concerns us. Where people are warming their cars, people are making deliveries. We I mean, I think the last one was making the delivery. They leave their car running, leave the children in it. People jump in, steal the car, and for the most part they don't realize the kids are back. 01:21:27 Speaker 6: There, so they will dump the car. So we want to depend on the elements. 01:21:32 Speaker 7: Obviously, we're in a very urgent search for that car because we don't want the children, obviously to be exposed to the elements. 01:21:41 Speaker 6: Or whatever else. So and those are you know that we get a lot of those in the winter time. 01:21:47 Speaker 2: Yeah, the number that you said you wanted to share with our listeners before you left. Yeah, this has all been interesting. I'm glad. I yeah, I didn't know. I just didn't know. 01:22:00 Speaker 6: So our email is IMPD. 01:22:04 Speaker 2: I'm sorry email. You did say email, and. 01:22:06 Speaker 6: I give you numbers one. 01:22:08 Speaker 7: So our email is IMPD New News Sense Abatement at dy dot gov. And our phone number is three one seven three two seven one two seven zero. And then the email, if they send an email, it goes to all of my detectives and we all get it. So and then crime stoppers. We crimestopper tips as well. So, uh, you know, I also have vice in human trafficking under me. 01:22:33 Speaker 6: So we get the same thing we get. 01:22:36 Speaker 2: We didn't even get into human

trafficking. But what's that number again? You said three one seven three two seven one two seven zero one two seven zero. 01:22:45 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, human traffic humane? 01:22:49 Speaker 2: What what's what's very quickly, what's the definition of that? 01:22:54 Speaker 6: Human trafficking? 01:22:55 Speaker 7: It's when somebody's being forced, obviously to Now that it's not work work trafficking. Human trafficking a little different. But human trafficking is when a person is being forced to work off some kind of debt sexually, and it involves the use of force. 01:23:14 Speaker 6: Or the use of force and things like that. 01:23:16 Speaker 2: Prostitution and uh you know, like you look at movies and you see the pimp beating up the prostitute to do whatever. Is that human trafficking or is that can still consider prostitution. 01:23:27 Speaker 7: Now, so the human trafficking involves the use of force, fraud, a coercion to obtain the sex act. Okay, Now, prostitution is somebody who is selling their self for sex. And I'm not saying they're not being traffic, but not every case of prostitution leads us into an actually human trafficking case, where. 01:23:48 Speaker 2: But human trafficking can be a part of the prostitution. 01:23:52 Speaker 7: Sure, sure, you got to have you have to have the prostitution element to make the human trafficking. And you know, the question is is the person you know willingly selling their self or sex or someone making them do that? I guess is the element you're looking at. They're being made and forced and not allowed to stop doing those things. Then a run and it's the status of the criminal offense is where it goes. 01:24:16 Speaker 2: What would you say, Captain, before we have to let you go, of all of the areas that you cover supervised, what is the biggest area of concern that you have that our city needs to pay more attention to. 01:24:30 Speaker 7: I would probably say the nuisance abayment because again I've done it since twenty ten, and it was started in two thousand and nine to combat the underage parties and. 01:24:41 Speaker 2: So the young people. 01:24:43 Speaker 7: Right, it was a quality of life. It's it's a quality of life unit. And I tell people we want to make your neighborhood safer. I don't want people to be a prisoner own home and that could be a lot of things with nuisance of baby and we work very closely with the Bureau Neighborhood Services, so it could be legal dumping, it could just a little bit of everything. But we that our goal is to make that city, that neighborhood, that person's more, you know, the time they're hearing our city better and we want people not to be enjoy wherever they're living, and if they're not because of whatever element that might be, could be a number of things. 01:25:19 Speaker 6: We want to help fix that and get rid of that element if we have to. 01:25:22 Speaker 2: And if you're having a problem, you can email IMPD Nuisance Abatement at Indie dot gov or call three one seven three two seven one two seven OER. Great information, certainly eye opening, and I want to thank you Captain William Carter. I really appreciate you joining us today. 01:25:39 Speaker 6: I appreciate you having me on. 01:25:40 Speaker 2: All right, you thank you, have a good one and we'll be back to wrap things up. I didn't know Eric was saying, who knew? 01:25:48 Speaker 1: Yeah, who knew? It's like I had no idea. But it's good to know the difference between the amber and silver. 01:25:52 Speaker 2: Yes, I never knew that never knew, but it's it's really going to be a challenge because more and more areas keep pointing to something we gotta do more with our young people. The curfew is fine, but extended curfew, but we got to do more, to do more with it. 01:26:11 Speaker 1: And I don't know what, And is there something they need to occupy their time, hold their attention and then to have. Maybe it's too much free. 01:26:22 Speaker 2: Time, free time, screen time, screen. 01:26:26 Speaker 1: Time, screen time, most definitely, maybe all of that combined jobs. 01:26:30 Speaker 2: It's the there's it's a whole whole mixed bag. 01:26:34 Speaker 1: And uh, I gotta say in some cases, probably parents being friends with their kids. My parents were not my friend. No, they were not. Were your parents your mother and your father never my friend? 01:26:46 Speaker 2: Mine always told us that too. We ya, yah, got a friend. 01:26:50 Speaker 1: That's what I heard. 01:26:51 Speaker 2: Yeah, you heard it too, the same thing. 01:26:54 Speaker 1: Not your friend. 01:26:55 Speaker 2: You don't like me? Fine, I'm doing my judge exactly. 01:26:58 Speaker 1: That's what we heard that. 01:27:00 Speaker 2: You heard that too. Absolute, I'm fine, I'm doing my job. We'll be right back right after this. 01:27:07 Speaker 10: Let's get back to the conversation. It's community connection with Tina Cosby on phrase Am thirteen, ten ninety five point. 01:27:15 Speaker 2: One FM and we're back with community Connection. I was really surprised all the areas that the Captain covers and his department a lot on his plate, but you know, we have people live with a lot of nuisances day and the one I hear the most about is the young party, youth takeovers and the bars. That's what I hear. Yeah, you get why don't you do something on these bars that they're not doing? And he made an interesting point that it may not necessarily be the bar management or bar owners and the people that they're attracting. Although I guess if you're gonna throw hatchets at targets, that's that's going to be a certain kind of person that that may want to patronize you than somebody that you come in and you're featuring or dervs or something. 01:28:13 Speaker 1: I don't know, Yeah, maybe so. And I wonder if a lot these these bars, many of them have security, used to have bouncers. I don't they have that anymore? 01:28:23 Speaker 2: Amazing cost I think some of the incidents at some of the

bars, the shootings, the murders have forced if they want to stay up and they've had to, you know, they've had to just you know, suck up that expense. 01:28:37 Speaker 1: Yeah wow. 01:28:40 Speaker 2: But just about everything that he talks about has resulted in a deadly incident. 01:28:46 Speaker 1: Just about everything, You're right, and you can call them. 01:28:48 Speaker 2: Common nuisances, but they every single one, something has been deadly as a result. 01:28:54 Speaker 10: And so. 01:28:56 Speaker 2: You know, it's the same old thing that the police they their job. Even though they are supposed to police and look after and start they they mostly respond after something's happened. 01:29:06 Speaker 1: Yeah, because they can't stop it before it happens. 01:29:10 Speaker 2: No going to happen, and uh, you know for more people, but people are afraid to get involved in their neighborhoods and uh, to report things because of red fear of retribution. 01:29:21 Speaker 1: That's true. But what also gets me is how you have people who will video all of this and never call the police. Something's happening. On their point, they're going viral, Oh look at that, look at that. But it's like, hey, this person's being beaten or almost killed, and. 01:29:37 Speaker 2: You're how many of those have you seen where somebody's just getting kicked the devil out of them in a bar in a bar, or at a party or whatever, or in the hallways of seeing hallways of a school, and we see it online and yet and still everybody's right right, cameras all rolling, but nobody's intervening to say he stopping. So that's a lot. But when he you know, he's he's basically young people and they're in lies the challenge, as they say. 01:30:10 Speaker 1: I just wonder what all of the anger it's about. I mean, I know there are different situations that that young adults come from or live with, but all the angers, like, there's so much anger, but. 01:30:26 Speaker 2: That's not just young people, No, it's not there. I was with some friends, Yeah, I was with some friends at Costco the other day. Yes, I lived there sometimes, and I was I'm very mindful. I'm always mindful to stay out of people's way because those cards are oversized. And I didn't get the flat bed. I mean a lot of people just push a flat got some you really got some some some product if you're get in the flat bed. But apparently, you know, when you go into the place, you have to you know, you have to check in with your you check yourself in and I did that, and so then I pushed my cart over to the side because I wanted to look at what was right there by the door. And this guy, he had his cart right behind me, and I guess he was cussing. Yeah. So so my friends come up and they said, you know he was cussing you because he just I'm like, well, why didn't he just go around? 01:31:22 Speaker 4: Right? 01:31:22 Speaker 2: I'm not. I wasn't blocking anybody. Anger, anger, And it just gets to the anger thing. Now, what did I do to make that person so angry? When it's a big place, y'all, I just go around, go around. Why do you have to try to force me to do what you want me to do. I had moved out of the way. I moved to the side. So what made it? I wasn't in the line, somebody said, somebody said, have you ever tried this experiment? Just just get a bunch of lines and people will go stand in line and not know what the lines are for. Have you noticed that? And I noticed that that happens too. And my little secret, I hope y'all don't catch on, but uh, they always have more lanes open. But everybody wants to lie up if they will see these long lines and then just fall in line. I go around and look outside the line. We do too, Yeah, and you can just see whatever I mean, yes, if that's all there is, if that's the only choice, why people jump in lines when they see a line? I wonder about that and wait, same thing, the same thing they do. You take off running, they run, or or if you stop and you're looking up, everybody's going to look, stop and look. 01:32:29 Speaker 1: At what what is it you see? 01:32:30 Speaker 2: I don't know, but do that in an elevator. 01:32:35 Speaker 1: I've never done that. 01:32:37 Speaker 2: I just start looking up in an elevator. They don't ask, they just look. The behavior. That's true, and folks will just jump in a line in a minute. It makes me laugh sometimes It's like, I'm not going to just get in any line because it's. 01:32:51 Speaker 1: A lot same. I'm going to look and see if I'm something. 01:32:54 Speaker 2: Else, and if somebody's in my way in a warehouse that has all that room. 01:32:58 Speaker 1: Well, now, yesterday, on the way home, I left here and there was somebody behind me. He'd gotten angry. I was going up Meridian. You Meridian, You've got the red and purple line coming through, and I'm going up Meridian and it's single lane from seven to eighteenth Street all the way until you get to thirty eight. Yeah, but I decided to turn at fall Creek. Well, he was on my bumper and I think the speed limits less than forty, but I was doing thirty five thirty six because I'm like okay, and we're moving pretty good, but he wanted me to go faster. Yeah, I thought, won't go around, which he shouldn't, and he didn't. So we got to Fall Creek, make the right turn and he blasts past me, looks at me and he's just oh, he's he's just he's probably doing seventy and then then he's in traffic again. Yeah, I thought why. 01:33:50 Speaker 2: Why so yeah, but there's this pent up anger and frustration if you don't do what somebody thinks you should be doing. Then when the answer is that with themselves just go around around, I'm not you know again, I could see it if I have my you know, if I was blocking the whole area and nobody could go around me. It's like there's this one line. There were three lines there, and so anyway, I just I said, well they I said, they can, they can go around. 01:34:20 Speaker 1: I don't. 01:34:20 Speaker 2: That's what I say. 01:34:21

Speaker 1: Around. Maybe maybe they need a cruise. 01:34:24 Speaker 2: Maybe they need a crew. You think a cruiser. I mentioned there's lines at cruises, but they're good lines. 01:34:29 Speaker 1: They're good lines there for fun stuff. You get a good food and have a good time. And it's time to book your cabin. Okay on the one Voyage cruise. You can book now use code Indie that's code I N D Y and get up to a five hundred dollars on board credit that's per cabin. You can call two one four four nine five nineteen sixty three to reserve your cabin today. The Indy code cannot be combined with other promotions. It's a limited number of cabins team available with this exclusive offer, so don't wait two one four nineteen sixty three right now so you don't miss out. Offer ends Monday the fifteenth. 01:35:06 Speaker 2: I keep saying I need to get on a cruise. 01:35:08 Speaker 1: Maybe you should go ahead and book your cabin. 01:35:15 Speaker 2: We still have some time, Yeah, I do. You know what I do, and I think we probably might be able to get you know, you're right. The discount. That's always good to hear about the discount. 01:35:25 Speaker 1: Five hundred dollars on board credit per cabin. 01:35:28 Speaker 2: Wow, that's great, that's nice. I think they'd let me off for it. 01:35:32 Speaker 1: I'm sure they would just do some you know, Hall of fame shows. That's out. 01:35:38 Speaker 2: Uh you could be out that That's that's quite possible, quite possible. You told me you've cruised before, right, I. 01:35:46 Speaker 1: Have a number of times. I've enjoyed every one I've gone on. I told you about the one. I think my very first cruise, Mini Miles, was a Disney cruise. Enjoyed the ship, enjoyed the whole thing. But many was in pretty bad shit, hungover she was, She begged us, please don't tell anyone you saw this. Well, we didn't know who she was. We saw someone said they knew they noticed her by the legs. Those are Mini's legs, and uh it was. And she was, Oh she was. Really she had a good time that way she was. She was had to have help walking through the area. 01:36:28 Speaker 2: My cousin knows a young man who sings and performs on cruises. Oh really yeah, and he makes a lot of good money. Now he's not anchored anywhere. You know, he has you have to be you know, single. You know it's not really family friendly, family user friendly. But yeah, that's what he does. He loves it. He goes all over the world. 01:36:54 Speaker 1: Wow, that's nice. Yeah, sing to be single for that? You should be that's your family. You couldn't take your family all the time, and it would. 01:37:01 Speaker 2: Be Although there are people that have I've seen these stories online, folks that live on cruise ships or live in hotels or whatever because it's cheaper than senior living, right, I retired folks. 01:37:12 Speaker 1: I've heard that. Yeah, because there was a couple of years ago you could buy a cabin on a cruise ship. You had to be wealthy and you could cruise for I don't know to a year or two a year or two two years at a time or something like that, and the cabins, depending on size, were expensive, probably a couple of years salary. But people lived on them. As you said, there are people who do that or party. I agree. I wouldn't want to live. I mean, it's fun to go, but then I'm ready to come home. 01:37:47 Speaker 2: I was going to say a little bit of that goes a long way. 01:37:49 Speaker 1: It does. It goes a long way. You you you see all the water, it's great, and then eventually you've you've done the ports of call, you've been here, you've been there. Okay, I'm ready to go home. 01:37:59 Speaker 9: Now. 01:37:59 Speaker 1: I could live on a cruise ship. 01:38:01 Speaker 2: Yeah, the ports of call are interesting the time they are that you have off and then get back on the ships. 01:38:08 Speaker 1: That's true, and you do meet some very interesting people. I remember meeting a native at one of the one of the islands and hey, brother, I got something for you. I said, no, that that's no follow it this way, I said, no, I I don't. I said no, I'm positive, thank you, no, thanks. 01:38:30 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's usually something illegal. 01:38:32 Speaker 1: I'm sure follow me down the. 01:38:36 Speaker 2: Right, man, ma'am, I got something, I said, no, I'm going home. I'm not gonna go see it. See you later, see you later, I think, Eric. That's about all the time speaking of going home, not that we're going on just going back to work, right back to work. But that is all the time we have for right now. As always, thank you for listening. Our website is Praiseindie dot com. Willie Moore Junior on the radio is up next. Please continue to be safe, be well, and stay informed. By the way, Tomorrow Wednesday, we have well, we're gonna have a show. We're gonna be talking no seriously, we're gonna be talking about. One of the things we're gonna be talking about is the continuation of these public meetings. Oh okay for the excise tax, but we forgot to the programming note. James Patterson is is our speaking of cruises, Oh, I don't know that he's on cruising. I don't know, but he's on vacation, Oka on vacation. He's on vacation. So James is out this week, maybe next week too, I don't know. I have to check in with him. But uh, he said R and R so. 01:39:45 Speaker 1: That much needed needed R and R. So we he could be cruising. You never know. 01:39:50 Speaker 2: Yeah, well he's a navy man, so that's what he's used to the water, used to the water. So anyway, everyone please continue to be saved, be well, and stay in formed for everyone here, for Eric and my myself. I'm Tina Cosby, in this this community connection. 01:40:04 Speaker 8: M m h m hm m hm m m m m hm