Full Transcript for Issue 665: Lanterns Ep. 4 "The Weenie" Spoiler Review

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But, of course, full spoilers ahead 123 00:07:20.560 --> 00:07:23.300 if you haven't watched episode four of Lanterns. Tune away 124 00:07:23.339 --> 00:07:25.300 for the rest of this podcast because that's what we're 125 00:07:25.319 --> 00:07:26.699 focused on the rest of the way. 126 00:07:26.720 --> 00:07:28.480 Spoiler alert. 127 00:07:30.139 --> 00:07:33.879 Spoiler alert. Spoiler alert. 128 00:07:35.040 --> 00:07:40.759 You've been warned, I have. 129 00:07:40.779 --> 00:07:46.199 Jong, what did you think of Hal Jordan and Jon 130 00:07:46.250 --> 00:07:47.689 Stewart's weenie episodes? 131 00:07:48.750 --> 00:07:51.639 I mean, a lot of, uh, there's a lot of 132 00:07:51.680 --> 00:07:53.279 things to call weenie in that episode. 133 00:07:54.180 --> 00:07:55.860 Um, some might even say elephants. 134 00:07:56.720 --> 00:08:02.699 Yes. Uh, a weenie regarding the fact that, uh, John 135 00:08:02.860 --> 00:08:06.089 gave this explanation of Walt Disney and how he built 136 00:08:06.209 --> 00:08:09.850 the middle part of his Disneyland or Disney world, where 137 00:08:09.910 --> 00:08:11.949 you have this building called the weenie, which kind of 138 00:08:12.050 --> 00:08:15.430 is like the center of everything. But, uh, weenie also 139 00:08:15.810 --> 00:08:20.660 the fact that Mr. Macon, um, Likes to show off 140 00:08:20.699 --> 00:08:27.079 his weenie. But no, I thoroughly enjoyed the episode. And yeah, 141 00:08:27.310 --> 00:08:29.370 the tension is definitely building. 142 00:08:29.850 --> 00:08:33.570 Well, and it's funny, too, because this episode, it felt 143 00:08:33.629 --> 00:08:38.370 like an episode where Hal and John got closer, but 144 00:08:38.409 --> 00:08:41.289 then the relationship shattered towards the end of the episode, right? 145 00:08:41.879 --> 00:08:42.240 Oh, yeah. 146 00:08:42.519 --> 00:08:44.759 Because their chemistry. I mean, I think we talked about 147 00:08:44.799 --> 00:08:49.450 it in previous discussions about this. Their chemistry is tremendous 148 00:08:49.649 --> 00:08:52.009 on screen, whether it's on the water tower or in 149 00:08:52.049 --> 00:08:56.929 the car or when Hal steps on the trap. Did 150 00:08:56.960 --> 00:08:59.000 you hear a click? I just heard a click. Yeah, 151 00:09:00.799 --> 00:09:01.460 I heard a click. 152 00:09:01.580 --> 00:09:04.620 I'm 185-ish. I did say ish. 153 00:09:04.940 --> 00:09:07.840 Stuff like that, their bounce back and forth is so 154 00:09:07.919 --> 00:09:10.240 good and so well done. But then you see the 155 00:09:11.100 --> 00:09:15.960 destruction of it. Not necessarily completely, but Hal is in 156 00:09:16.000 --> 00:09:18.240 his feels towards the end of the episode, hence why 157 00:09:18.279 --> 00:09:21.860 he drives the rental into a car. Or, excuse me, 158 00:09:21.960 --> 00:09:25.720 the rental car into a pole, which if Hal Jordan's 159 00:09:25.759 --> 00:09:27.659 trying to rent a car from you, don't do it 160 00:09:28.120 --> 00:09:29.919 because it's not going to come back very good. 161 00:09:31.159 --> 00:09:31.360 Yeah. 162 00:09:31.840 --> 00:09:36.940 The tension you could just cut with a knife in 163 00:09:36.960 --> 00:09:39.519 that car scene. I know we're kind of starting backwards, 164 00:09:39.559 --> 00:09:45.840 but it's just like, almost unbelievable, uh, like how he 165 00:09:45.879 --> 00:09:49.120 knew he had messed up. He, he knew it. And he, 166 00:09:49.340 --> 00:09:53.590 he just was kind of sitting there like, hopefully like 167 00:09:53.850 --> 00:09:56.850 he doesn't, you know, get upset. And he kind of 168 00:09:56.870 --> 00:09:59.149 checks up on him. He's like, Hey, is everything okay? 169 00:09:59.950 --> 00:10:01.590 Or he's kind of looking at him. He's like, I 170 00:10:01.610 --> 00:10:09.090 forgive you. You're fine. And nope, he's not. He's not. Yeah, 171 00:10:09.190 --> 00:10:13.090 he's bitter about the whole thing. So, yeah, I don't 172 00:10:13.110 --> 00:10:18.029 blame him one bit. Um, but yeah, it's, uh, not, not, 173 00:10:18.289 --> 00:10:20.789 not good, not good for Mr. Jon Stewart. 174 00:10:21.029 --> 00:10:25.470 Well, and it's, it's interesting in that, you know, people 175 00:10:25.509 --> 00:10:28.889 are telling Jon that he should just take the ring, right? 176 00:10:30.289 --> 00:10:33.169 The guardian tells him to do that. His mom tells 177 00:10:33.240 --> 00:10:36.960 him to do that. And, you know, I think others 178 00:10:37.159 --> 00:10:39.039 are probably going to be like, yeah, take it from him. 179 00:10:40.279 --> 00:10:42.139 But do you think, like, why do you think that 180 00:10:42.240 --> 00:10:46.269 is for, for Jon? To me, I feel like he Yes, 181 00:10:46.450 --> 00:10:49.070 and he could easily have taken it multiple times in 182 00:10:49.090 --> 00:10:52.990 this episode. He could probably easily take it from Hal 183 00:10:53.149 --> 00:10:57.240 at different points, but he doesn't do that. Is that 184 00:10:57.620 --> 00:10:59.980 a byproduct of his character, you think, or is it 185 00:11:00.919

--> 00:11:01.970 there's something more to it? 186 00:11:02.500 --> 00:11:04.490 No, I think that's who he is. I don't think 187 00:11:04.570 --> 00:11:09.690 he was very comfortable doing that, taking it from him. 188 00:11:10.159 --> 00:11:14.100 the way that they wanted him to. And I think he, uh, 189 00:11:14.200 --> 00:11:16.679 he's a man of honor. And so I think he 190 00:11:17.080 --> 00:11:21.110 wanted to, you know, kind of do right by John 191 00:11:21.139 --> 00:11:22.950 and take it the wrong right way. And I know, 192 00:11:23.250 --> 00:11:25.289 I know he said all that, all that stuff, but 193 00:11:25.669 --> 00:11:28.750 I firmly believe that he's a man that doesn't want 194 00:11:28.769 --> 00:11:29.169 to do that. 195 00:11:29.950 --> 00:11:31.870 Yeah. I, I, I agree with that. 196 00:11:31.970 --> 00:11:36.409 Like to me, he feels like that's something where if you, 197 00:11:37.129 --> 00:11:39.649 crossed that boundary. Like there's no going back from that 198 00:11:39.950 --> 00:11:43.649 for one, but also, you know, he's done all this 199 00:11:43.710 --> 00:11:45.710 stuff to get to this point. 200 00:11:46.950 --> 00:11:47.190 Yes. 201 00:11:47.230 --> 00:11:49.509 He could take it from him, but there is a, 202 00:11:49.529 --> 00:11:51.370 I'm trying to think how to say it. Like, there's 203 00:11:51.409 --> 00:11:54.750 a sense of like, I'm getting promoted in this way. 204 00:11:54.789 --> 00:11:57.679 Like I'm being given this opportunity because I deserved it. 205 00:11:58.029 --> 00:12:00.429 Not just because I happen to be stronger. I happen 206 00:12:00.450 --> 00:12:02.429 to trick the guy into giving. 207 00:12:02.250 --> 00:12:02.710 Me the ring. 208 00:12:02.750 --> 00:12:06.029 Like I want to get it on my, own merit 209 00:12:06.190 --> 00:12:09.610 and it's recognized. And it's like, it's passed on to 210 00:12:09.730 --> 00:12:12.950 me because the guardians have deemed it. So not just 211 00:12:12.990 --> 00:12:14.860 because I've, I've taken it. I don't know if I'm 212 00:12:14.879 --> 00:12:15.409 explaining that. 213 00:12:15.460 --> 00:12:15.600 Right. 214 00:12:15.620 --> 00:12:16.980 But like, you know what I'm trying to say? 215 00:12:17.019 --> 00:12:19.559 Like, it's just a, like, if I just steal it 216 00:12:19.580 --> 00:12:22.899 from home, I feel like there's a little less prideful 217 00:12:23.460 --> 00:12:26.000 or a little less respect John would have for just 218 00:12:26.070 --> 00:12:26.600 taking it. 219 00:12:27.190 --> 00:12:28.029 Yeah. Yeah. 220 00:12:28.110 --> 00:12:31.009 I'm with you. And, and that's the, and I think, 221 00:12:31.779 --> 00:12:35.450 when Hal, obviously when Hal figures that out or find, 222 00:12:35.490 --> 00:12:39.269 you know, because of the recording, he understands he's, he 223 00:12:39.330 --> 00:12:41.669 is old and he doesn't, you know, he's not as, 224 00:12:41.690 --> 00:12:44.309 I wouldn't say I'm a deathbed, but he's like, he's 225 00:12:44.370

--> 00:12:47.669 getting up there in the tooth and you kind of 226 00:12:47.889 --> 00:12:50.799 have this Joe Montana, Steve Young kind of situation. Although 227 00:12:50.840 --> 00:12:53.500 Steve Young, I mean, Joe Montana went on to have 228 00:12:53.539 --> 00:12:57.940 a great career with the Chiefs. But, No, it's one 229 00:12:57.960 --> 00:13:00.519 of those things where the Guardians think, or I guess 230 00:13:00.539 --> 00:13:04.820 the 49ers thought, that they had something great in Steve Young, 231 00:13:04.919 --> 00:13:08.399 which they did. And they're just kind of telling him, hey, 232 00:13:08.659 --> 00:13:12.710 the reins are off. This is yours now. You go 233 00:13:12.759 --> 00:13:16.929 take it. And John's kind of sitting there like, I mean, 234 00:13:17.029 --> 00:13:20.259 I could take it. You could see him thinking about it, 235 00:13:20.690 --> 00:13:23.129 especially when he asked for the ring and Hal gave 236 00:13:23.169 --> 00:13:27.639 it to him with the drawing. And he didn't do it. 237 00:13:27.899 --> 00:13:29.840 And it just kind of felt like he wasn't going 238 00:13:29.860 --> 00:13:32.559 to do it anyway because it's just the things that 239 00:13:32.600 --> 00:13:38.309 we've learned about John throughout the show that the way 240 00:13:38.330 --> 00:13:42.769 he was brought up, the way that his parents raised him. 241 00:13:43.269 --> 00:13:46.149 You know, his mom is on the kind of on 242 00:13:46.190 --> 00:13:48.899 the other end where she's like, well, go take it. 243 00:13:50.029 --> 00:13:52.409 And I think his dad is almost, I kind of 244 00:13:52.429 --> 00:13:54.090 look at him as more of the honorable one or 245 00:13:54.129 --> 00:13:56.470 he kind of seems like the honorable one. a man 246 00:13:56.519 --> 00:14:01.029 that is bound by the military. He's a soldier. So 247 00:14:01.129 --> 00:14:02.889 he wants to do everything right by the book, I 248 00:14:02.909 --> 00:14:06.289 feel like. And a lot of that is with John. 249 00:14:06.529 --> 00:14:10.190 And his mom comes out when he's speaking, especially in 250 00:14:10.210 --> 00:14:15.409 that recording, where he's just putting Hal down. And I'm 251 00:14:15.450 --> 00:14:19.370 wondering why they didn't play the whole thing. But yeah, 252 00:14:19.649 --> 00:14:22.450 I firmly believe at the moment when she told him 253 00:14:22.490 --> 00:14:23.690 to do that, I was like, he's not going to 254 00:14:23.730 --> 00:14:23.940 do it. 255 00:14:24.289 --> 00:14:24.490 Mm-hmm. 256 00:14:25.360 --> 00:14:27.720 And you brought up about the, um, about the drawing 257 00:14:27.759 --> 00:14:30.409 that he takes to how for the digging. And he, 258 00:14:30.419 --> 00:14:32.399 you know, he explains to him, you know, if you 259 00:14:32.419 --> 00:14:35.799 go just fly in, they got three or four sharp, 260 00:14:35.960 --> 00:14:37.860 sharp shooters. They're just going to take you down there 261 00:14:38.120 --> 00:14:39.700 and they're not going to aim for the shoulder this time. 262 00:14:39.720 --> 00:14:42.120 They're going to aim for the head. So we got 263 00:14:42.139 --> 00:14:45.379 to be smarter about this. And it's not only that, 264 00:14:45.440 --> 00:14:49.110 but it's also showing how that I am creative because 265 00:14:49.379 --> 00:14:52.710 I think it's, it's John that says something about he's 266 00:14:52.769 --> 00:14:55.690 read or his report or whatever. And he, he, Hal 267 00:14:55.769 --> 00:14:59.389 feels like he's not creative enough. No, I am creative. 268 00:14:59.990 --> 00:15:04.710 Give me this time. It's again where maybe it's deep 269 00:15:04.730 --> 00:15:06.889 within John where he feels like he's got to still 270 00:15:06.960 --> 00:15:10.740 show and prove something. Maybe not prove, but still showcase 271 00:15:11.519 --> 00:15:14.759 I am talented more than you think I am. There's 272 00:15:14.799 --> 00:15:18.639 more depth to me than simply this robot soldier that 273 00:15:18.700 --> 00:15:21.620 you may think I am, this stone wall that you 274 00:15:21.639 --> 00:15:23.600 think I am. There is a depth to me that 275 00:15:25.009 --> 00:15:29.090 I can really add to being a Lantern, to being 276 00:15:29.129 --> 00:15:31.509 a Green Lantern. And you also just have to have 277 00:15:31.529 --> 00:15:34.039 that confidence that you're going to be the best Lantern. 278 00:15:34.080 --> 00:15:37.000 So I don't know that him just saying, I'm going 279 00:15:37.019 --> 00:15:41.000 to be better than him, you would want to have 280 00:15:41.340 --> 00:15:44.759 some of that confidence with it. Because every time Jon 281 00:15:44.799 --> 00:15:48.679 Stewart says anything about taking the ring or living up 282 00:15:48.740 --> 00:15:52.139 to Hal or taking over for Hal, I never think 283 00:15:52.179 --> 00:15:55.039 of it as arrogance, as Sinestro says early on in 284 00:15:55.059 --> 00:15:58.500 the episode. I always take it as more confidence than arrogance. 285 00:16:00.500 --> 00:16:03.450 Yeah, I mean, yeah, there's a fine line, I think. 286 00:16:03.470 --> 00:16:04.450 It's very fine, yeah. 287 00:16:05.549 --> 00:16:09.929 And I'm with you. You could tell just because that 288 00:16:10.190 --> 00:16:14.789 he is still seemingly training. And so when you do 289 00:16:14.909 --> 00:16:19.129 see him using the ring, he is very confident in 290 00:16:19.799 --> 00:16:22.740 you know, creating things, uh, his own constructs with the ring, 291 00:16:23.179 --> 00:16:25.440 but also there's a respect factor with the ring. And 292 00:16:25.480 --> 00:16:28.879 he also does whatever he might have personal feelings towards 293 00:16:28.960 --> 00:16:31.480 how he does. I, I also do think that he 294 00:16:31.500 --> 00:16:34.559 has a lot of respect for how Jordan and, um, 295 00:16:34.639 --> 00:16:37.409 because of the green lantern in the ring. And, um, 296 00:16:37.590 --> 00:16:41.149 although he may feel like he was just the closest to,

297 00:16:41.169 --> 00:16:44.850 to the, to the ring that, uh, when he was 298 00:16:44.889 --> 00:16:47.370 given to him that he just, you know, uh, essentially 299 00:16:47.669 --> 00:16:51.179 quote took it, I guess. But he also respects the 300 00:16:51.200 --> 00:16:53.159 fact that he's done it for so long, even though 301 00:16:53.179 --> 00:16:56.279 he hasn't said it. It may say the opposite, but 302 00:16:56.379 --> 00:16:59.100 I do think that there's a level of respect from 303 00:16:59.139 --> 00:17:02.080 John to Hal. And that's, I think, another reason why 304 00:17:02.159 --> 00:17:06.309 he didn't take it from him. So, yeah, I'm with you. 305 00:17:06.329 --> 00:17:11.630 There's a fine line between cocky and confident. And I 306 00:17:11.670 --> 00:17:16.029 think he can teeter from here and there a little bit. 307 00:17:16.509 --> 00:17:18.950 But no, I'm with you. I think he is more 308 00:17:19.059 --> 00:17:20.579 confident and cocky than anything else. 309 00:17:20.980 --> 00:17:24.519 And I say that because, you know, having had firsthand experience, 310 00:17:24.599 --> 00:17:28.700 especially like in radio, we both have seen that cockiness 311 00:17:28.779 --> 00:17:31.700 come through for people. And I think there's a specific 312 00:17:31.740 --> 00:17:34.809 case in my head as we're talking about this, that 313 00:17:35.430 --> 00:17:38.470 the person, when I first talked to them, it felt 314 00:17:38.589 --> 00:17:42.569 very like, oh, he's confident in his abilities. But then 315 00:17:42.650 --> 00:17:46.029 as you got to see more of him and understand 316 00:17:46.069 --> 00:17:49.279 him more, it was like, oh, this fool just is 317 00:17:49.420 --> 00:17:52.619 full of himself and thinks about himself all the time, 318 00:17:52.680 --> 00:17:54.519 thinks he's the greatest thing ever. 319 00:17:55.140 --> 00:17:58.299 Oh, no. And John, the more time we. 320 00:17:58.200 --> 00:18:02.640 Spend with him, it does feel just more confidence rather 321 00:18:02.720 --> 00:18:06.849 than cocky because he's not... Cocky to me is always 322 00:18:06.890 --> 00:18:10.430 like you're popping off about how great you are. John 323 00:18:10.470 --> 00:18:12.710 doesn't necessarily offer that up. I think he just has 324 00:18:12.730 --> 00:18:16.210 that innate like confidence of oh i'll get it done 325 00:18:16.289 --> 00:18:18.970 i know i'm the best and also too when you 326 00:18:19.369 --> 00:18:21.950 you mentioned about him respecting how because i i tend 327 00:18:21.970 --> 00:18:23.930 to agree i think they're deep down why he doesn't 328 00:18:23.970 --> 00:18:28.039 like him and he has some issues with him he 329 00:18:28.279 --> 00:18:30.180 i think deep down he respects him because that's just 330 00:18:30.200 --> 00:18:32.380 kind of like a military man right like in the 331 00:18:32.420 --> 00:18:37.220 military you're it's not all just you by yourself you're 332 00:18:37.339 --> 00:18:39.960 with a team and you learn to trust each other 333 00:18:40.460 --> 00:18:42.460 you learn to trust the person next to you and 334 00:18:42.579 --> 00:18:45.859 and and there's a great amount of, of, of respect 335 00:18:46.039 --> 00:18:48.460 in that case. So you're just going to have that 336 00:18:48.519 --> 00:18:51.940 natural respect for, for others. And especially because yeah, right 337 00:18:51.980 --> 00:18:53.589 now they're still operating like a team. 338 00:18:54.140 --> 00:18:56.470 Yeah. Up until the last, well, until the last part. 339 00:18:56.509 --> 00:18:57.089 Yeah. 340 00:18:57.369 --> 00:19:00.670 For the first, like 30, 40 minutes of that episode. 341 00:19:00.730 --> 00:19:02.289 Then when you get to the last bit, then it's like, 342 00:19:02.490 --> 00:19:03.950 Oh yeah. 343 00:19:04.190 --> 00:19:07.150 And, and you could, the tension was building and it 344 00:19:07.170 --> 00:19:10.230 was like, it was, It was very tense and you're 345 00:19:10.250 --> 00:19:14.339 just kind of like, uh... You have the whole Jesse 346 00:19:14.380 --> 00:19:17.079 Pinkpin water situation where you're just sitting at the table 347 00:19:17.480 --> 00:19:21.299 gulping water. You're just kind of like, oh, it's going 348 00:19:21.319 --> 00:19:23.900 to come to a head pretty soon. How is this 349 00:19:23.920 --> 00:19:26.000 going to play out? And then he drops the line 350 00:19:26.039 --> 00:19:28.349 about the rental car and just crashes into a tree. 351 00:19:28.950 --> 00:19:29.470 Do you think. 352 00:19:30.430 --> 00:19:35.410 Because early on in the episode, Sinestro asks Hal, do 353 00:19:35.450 --> 00:19:37.950 you respect him? Do you respect Jon Stewart? I don't 354 00:19:37.970 --> 00:19:40.529 think he ever said He never gave a response to that. 355 00:19:41.880 --> 00:19:46.220 Do you think Hal deep down respects John? 356 00:19:47.549 --> 00:19:49.869 I think so. And I think deep down, I think 357 00:19:50.819 --> 00:19:53.079 i think there's a part of him that feels like 358 00:19:53.700 --> 00:19:57.099 john because of the way that the guardians said that 359 00:19:57.140 --> 00:20:01.009 they basically chose john i think there is a little 360 00:20:01.190 --> 00:20:01.470 you know. 361 00:20:01.390 --> 00:20:01.630 There's a. 362 00:20:03.940 --> 00:20:06.640 Which is why a resentment, which is why I'm sure 363 00:20:06.960 --> 00:20:09.359 he's treating him like the way he treats him. But 364 00:20:09.420 --> 00:20:13.029 also I, I do think that because he also is 365 00:20:13.109 --> 00:20:16.009 training him and maybe not the way that John wants to, 366 00:20:16.369 --> 00:20:18.829 but also do think that because the way he's training 367 00:20:18.869 --> 00:20:21.309 him or he is training him at all, I think 368 00:20:21.369 --> 00:20:24.089 is why is the reason why I think he respects him. 369 00:20:24.109 --> 00:20:27.210 You could, that's, that's like, I think his, you know, he, he, 370 00:20:27.470 --> 00:20:30.079 he

wouldn't be doing, he wouldn't be giving him the 371 00:20:30.119 --> 00:20:32.700 ring from time to time if he didn't respect him. 372 00:20:33.009 --> 00:20:33.269 Yeah. 373 00:20:33.609 --> 00:20:33.750 Yeah. 374 00:20:33.769 --> 00:20:37.250 There's there's some sort of respect there. Maybe it's not 375 00:20:37.349 --> 00:20:40.690 like maybe there's a lot of put downs and whatnot 376 00:20:41.049 --> 00:20:44.890 and still calling him junior. But, you know, whether it's 377 00:20:44.990 --> 00:20:49.420 on the water tower with how John is explaining the 378 00:20:49.660 --> 00:20:52.099 the the whole thought process. 379 00:20:51.640 --> 00:20:54.319 Behind the weenie being in the middle of. 380 00:20:54.319 --> 00:20:58.460 The facility or the actual digging aspect, you know, just 381 00:20:58.500 --> 00:21:01.420 different aspects that you get early on throughout the episode. 382 00:21:02.829 --> 00:21:06.829 There is, I think, deep down, Hal respects him and 383 00:21:07.670 --> 00:21:09.329 teaches him a little bit. 384 00:21:09.349 --> 00:21:10.960 I think as much as. 385 00:21:10.930 --> 00:21:14.500 He made fun of the weenie and other stuff, when 386 00:21:15.400 --> 00:21:17.460 they're walking in the tunnel as they're digging in and 387 00:21:17.500 --> 00:21:20.940 he says about art school, that took Hal by surprise. 388 00:21:21.589 --> 00:21:24.119 And again, it's like, oh, there's so much more depth 389 00:21:24.190 --> 00:21:26.440 to this man than I was giving him credit for. And, 390 00:21:26.819 --> 00:21:30.319 you know, just different little things. Even going back to 391 00:21:30.380 --> 00:21:32.500 the water tower and the joke. Did you just make 392 00:21:32.539 --> 00:21:37.519 a joke? There are elements to John. A lot more 393 00:21:37.579 --> 00:21:40.640 than what people maybe perceive with his stoic nature. 394 00:21:41.539 --> 00:21:45.750 Yeah. And in that tunnel scene, because of him opening 395 00:21:45.849 --> 00:21:48.789 up and saying that he went to art school, that's 396 00:21:49.690 --> 00:21:53.670 how's guard is down. and he starts to open up 397 00:21:53.750 --> 00:21:57.130 about his parents and and so that's when you start 398 00:21:57.210 --> 00:22:01.339 seeing and this happened very quickly show wise but i'm 399 00:22:01.380 --> 00:22:03.700 sure it happened over a couple of days but in 400 00:22:03.720 --> 00:22:06.799 the show timeline it happened very quickly he opens up 401 00:22:07.500 --> 00:22:10.259 um they get under underground they do all this stuff 402 00:22:10.299 --> 00:22:12.920 and then all of a sudden next thing you know 403 00:22:13.519 --> 00:22:16.079 you know he doesn't respect him anymore he's very cautious 404 00:22:16.099 --> 00:22:19.220 because of the way that he was deceived so like 405 00:22:19.279 --> 00:22:23.779 it happened very quickly and And it's probably the way 406 00:22:23.799 --> 00:22:27.559 that he is, the way that Hal is, it's probably, 407 00:22:28.180 -->

00:22:31.200 he's probably going to be very guarded again and even 408 00:22:31.240 --> 00:22:34.079 more so. And I'm sure, like, it's going to be 409 00:22:34.140 --> 00:22:38.700 very hard to repair that relationship. And this might be 410 00:22:39.579 --> 00:22:42.859 the thing that fractures both of them. And in the 411 00:22:42.960 --> 00:22:47.619 after show, Constructing the Episode, I think it was called, 412 00:22:49.069 --> 00:22:51.609 they kind of say like this was the path where 413 00:22:51.630 --> 00:22:57.190 they kind of divulge. So yeah, it's because of the 414 00:22:57.230 --> 00:23:00.730 way that Hal is and how he's wired, a small 415 00:23:00.769 --> 00:23:02.450 little thing like this is going to, I think, I 416 00:23:03.009 --> 00:23:05.890 would say, I say small, but this thing is going 417 00:23:05.970 --> 00:23:08.339 to completely ruin the relationship. 418 00:23:08.660 --> 00:23:10.799 Yeah, and at least for now it's ruined. 419 00:23:11.240 --> 00:23:15.759 And it goes back to earlier in this episode, John 420 00:23:15.799 --> 00:23:17.200 gets another visit from Zoe. 421 00:23:19.240 --> 00:23:20.240 Yeah, he does. 422 00:23:20.279 --> 00:23:20.900 Yeah, he does. 423 00:23:21.779 --> 00:23:28.069 And he gets to have a nice little meetup with that. 424 00:23:28.119 --> 00:23:33.130 But not only that, we get confirmation that Zoe tells 425 00:23:33.690 --> 00:23:36.869 John that she is, in fact, a Manhunter. 426 00:23:36.890 --> 00:23:41.980 Yeah. I guess it shouldn't be... too much of a surprise. 427 00:23:42.059 --> 00:23:44.420 I don't think, uh, I think we kind of tagged 428 00:23:44.460 --> 00:23:48.630 it on one of those two, um, being the, uh, 429 00:23:48.759 --> 00:23:52.420 the main hunter. And, um, they kind of, um, said 430 00:23:52.460 --> 00:23:55.019 that it was, uh, you know, obviously that Hector guy, 431 00:23:55.180 --> 00:23:58.720 which by the way, I think, uh, Hector Hammond is 432 00:23:58.819 --> 00:24:01.089 actually a real life. And I don't know if they're, 433 00:24:01.869 --> 00:24:04.069 if they're going to, uh, you know, introduce him again, 434 00:24:04.130 --> 00:24:07.089 but I think, um, well, not, I think Hector Hammond 435 00:24:07.170 --> 00:24:11.019 is also a, um, what do you call it? A, a, uh, 436 00:24:11.440 --> 00:24:14.640 Green Lantern villain. I think a smaller villain, but, um, 437 00:24:14.880 --> 00:24:16.720 but yeah, I, I, I liked a little nice little 438 00:24:16.740 --> 00:24:20.630 call out, but yeah, I, not too surprised that she's 439 00:24:20.710 --> 00:24:26.130 the Manhunter. They kind of, um, it almost felt, you know, 440 00:24:26.529 --> 00:24:27.309 it was going to be one of them. 441 00:24:27.369 --> 00:24:29.710 I felt like, well, I think we were talking about 442 00:24:29.789 --> 00:24:33.230 it with Shalisa in one of these reviews that it 443 00:24:33.289 --> 00:24:37.009 felt like she was a strong possibility to, to, for 444 00:24:37.029 --> 00:24:38.940 that being the case. And then, you know, it kind of, 445 00:24:39.650 --> 00:24:42.150 like pull you in one way with the oh no 446 00:24:42.529 --> 00:24:46.599 she got just lasered but as how realized it's like 447 00:24:46.630 --> 00:24:49.559 wait a minute if he was freaking out about his 448 00:24:49.619 --> 00:24:51.700 parents why didn't he freak out as much even though 449 00:24:51.740 --> 00:24:55.880 he didn't know zoe as long as obviously he wouldn't 450 00:24:55.920 --> 00:24:58.480 know her as long he still would have had some 451 00:24:58.529 --> 00:25:03.170 kind of reaction so and that of course seems to 452 00:25:03.569 --> 00:25:04.950 have uh upset. 453 00:25:04.750 --> 00:25:08.990 How in a lot of ways yeah and you know 454 00:25:09.029 --> 00:25:19.039 like The reason why John's talk with the Guardians didn't 455 00:25:19.519 --> 00:25:22.059 upset him so much was the fact that because there's 456 00:25:22.099 --> 00:25:24.539 a lot of truth to it, right? There's a lot 457 00:25:24.559 --> 00:25:29.740 of truth to what John said about how to the Guardian... 458 00:25:30.279 --> 00:25:34.920 I forget her name, but... But with the whole Zoe thing, 459 00:25:35.299 --> 00:25:40.460 it was a flat-out lie. So he was like, oh, yeah, Macon, yeah. 460 00:25:41.619 --> 00:25:46.529 And so I think that's one thing that you can't 461 00:25:46.589 --> 00:25:50.990 do to Hal, and it happened. Which is why he 462 00:25:51.809 --> 00:25:55.470 got the treatment that he did, the crashing of the car. 463 00:25:55.490 --> 00:25:56.369 Sorry about your rental. 464 00:25:58.619 --> 00:26:00.420 And we're talking about Zoe. 465 00:26:00.519 --> 00:26:03.650 I did ask Shalise before she got on the plane, 466 00:26:04.069 --> 00:26:06.509 you know, was there a little blurb that she would 467 00:26:06.529 --> 00:26:08.890 want to share and that I could read off? 468 00:26:08.950 --> 00:26:10.029 And she sent me this. 469 00:26:10.569 --> 00:26:14.230 She says, Shalise says, quote, I'm struggling to understand John 470 00:26:14.289 --> 00:26:18.170 being distracted by being attracted to this other man's wife. 471 00:26:18.650 --> 00:26:22.990 Like control your hormones. We got work to do. 472 00:26:23.009 --> 00:26:24.950 Yeah. 473 00:26:25.430 --> 00:26:28.640 They also mentioned the fact that they're very similar or 474 00:26:29.140 --> 00:26:33.910 at least they're when we don't know that Zoe, or 475 00:26:33.930 --> 00:26:37.230 I guess quote, don't know that Zoe is a Manhunter, 476 00:26:37.250 --> 00:26:41.250 that they are very quite similar in terms of their personality. 477 00:26:41.309 --> 00:26:44.490 And I'm sure there was a lot of comfort knowing 478 00:26:44.559 --> 00:26:47.940 that Zoe was different than everybody else in the city 479 00:26:48.039 --> 00:26:51.160 and how similar her and John are, which is the 480 00:26:51.180 --> 00:26:54.799 fact that obviously Manhunters can't exploit that in other people. 481

00:26:56.660 --> 00:26:59.839 And I think that was one of the things that essentially... 482 00:27:00.559 --> 00:27:03.500 let john's guard down uh and then they kind of 483 00:27:03.640 --> 00:27:05.740 connected that way and i'm sure there's some kind of 484 00:27:05.799 --> 00:27:09.980 like chemicals being exchanged that you know keeps him kind 485 00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:13.099 of tied to her and so yeah that's i mean 486 00:27:13.119 --> 00:27:16.440 that's i think a huge thing that um yeah i 487 00:27:16.700 --> 00:27:18.609 i would say that's the that's the big. 488 00:27:18.480 --> 00:27:22.390 Thing yeah and man hunters seem to at least this 489 00:27:22.630 --> 00:27:27.009 this man hunter seems to um, utilize intimacy as a strategy. 490 00:27:27.190 --> 00:27:29.990 So is it all genuine? Is it, is it all 491 00:27:30.049 --> 00:27:32.130 real or is it, it's something more, it does seem 492 00:27:32.170 --> 00:27:36.109 like it's a little genuine, but is it, does she 493 00:27:36.150 --> 00:27:39.569 just want John to leave because she cares for him 494 00:27:39.829 --> 00:27:43.069 or does she want John to leave because, um, he 495 00:27:43.109 --> 00:27:45.130 could mess things up with whatever they're planning? 496 00:27:46.210 --> 00:27:49.130 Uh, I, if, if she's been on earth for this 497 00:27:49.190 --> 00:27:51.910 long in there for that long, I would say the latter. 498 00:27:51.950 --> 00:27:55.730 I would say that she's, I mean, I, I, Would 499 00:27:55.769 --> 00:27:58.910 it put it past her to develop the feels for him? 500 00:27:59.410 --> 00:28:01.480 I don't think so. But I think the main thing 501 00:28:01.539 --> 00:28:07.059 is like she worked this long to essentially her goals 502 00:28:07.119 --> 00:28:10.240 inside and him and Hal being there kind of ruined 503 00:28:10.269 --> 00:28:14.460 the entire thing. And I think her... Nicely asking, I'm sure, 504 00:28:14.940 --> 00:28:17.579 is the way to kind of tell him to leave. 505 00:28:17.640 --> 00:28:20.480 And I'm sure, you know, you don't want to raise 506 00:28:20.609 --> 00:28:25.329 any suspicions outside of your city. So making any forcible 507 00:28:26.289 --> 00:28:29.730 play for her would essentially, I would imagine, get the 508 00:28:29.789 --> 00:28:36.019 attention of the other people outside of Nebraska and possibly 509 00:28:36.940 --> 00:28:41.920 maybe the death of Hal Jordan will probably get the 510 00:28:42.460 --> 00:28:45.720 attention that they didn't want, right? So I think they're 511 00:28:45.740 --> 00:28:49.819 trying to keep this on the low-low, but yeah. I mean, 512 00:28:49.839 --> 00:28:50.440 that's what I think. 513 00:28:50.619 --> 00:28:50.900 Yeah. 514 00:28:51.920 --> 00:28:54.240 And going back to some of the reveals that we 515 00:28:54.289 --> 00:28:58.529 got and with like Zoe and Will Macon, we find 516 00:28:58.710 --> 00:29:02.230 out that Zoe saved Will. 517 00:29:02.470 --> 00:29:06.089 At some point. I don't remember why he needed to say, oh, 518 00:29:06.269 --> 00:29:06.710 he was sick. 519 00:29:06.750 --> 00:29:07.329 He had cancer. 520 00:29:07.470 --> 00:29:07.869 That's right. 521 00:29:07.950 --> 00:29:11.910 He was sick with cancer. She saved his life, but 522 00:29:12.369 --> 00:29:16.230 she appeared to him as a nurse. And now, like, 523 00:29:16.309 --> 00:29:18.410 I guess he would probably know the full extent of 524 00:29:18.589 --> 00:29:22.309 who she is or what she is. But we learned that, 525 00:29:22.329 --> 00:29:26.029 you know, she saved him, had cancer, no longer has cancer. 526 00:29:26.430 --> 00:29:28.450 Not only that, but the reason why the hospital was 527 00:29:28.630 --> 00:29:32.309 empty is because no one gets sick around, around Rushville. 528 00:29:32.769 --> 00:29:35.849 Everything's fine. They don't use hospital equipment. They don't have 529 00:29:35.890 --> 00:29:36.730 a need for. 530 00:29:36.609 --> 00:29:41.009 Hospital or nurses or anything like that because whatever Zoe 531 00:29:41.069 --> 00:29:44.490 is doing, she's controlling and helping the people in general. 532 00:29:45.009 --> 00:29:48.019 And that probably allows for greater control of the people 533 00:29:48.079 --> 00:29:48.650 I would imagine. 534 00:29:49.839 --> 00:29:52.940 Yeah. And the only person that essentially is helping them 535 00:29:53.039 --> 00:29:58.119 is somebody that is not from Nebraska, uh, from Gotham. So, um, 536 00:29:58.980 --> 00:30:02.009 and she's very reluctant too. And she sees, you know, 537 00:30:02.190 --> 00:30:07.329 she sees the people thriving, thriving there. And she doesn't 538 00:30:07.369 --> 00:30:10.289 want to disrupt that either, but also she's a, you know, 539 00:30:10.329 --> 00:30:14.279 she's the sheriff. So she has this moral obligation to 540 00:30:14.359 --> 00:30:18.839 the city and to, to basically her job. So, yeah, 541 00:30:18.900 --> 00:30:22.299 I think, you know, that, that's the one thing that's 542 00:30:22.500 --> 00:30:25.359 kind of like keeping her to do her job is, 543 00:30:25.519 --> 00:30:27.059 is that. Yeah. 544 00:30:27.079 --> 00:30:27.539 I carry it. 545 00:30:28.329 --> 00:30:33.230 She's going through a lot in this episode, realizing certain 546 00:30:33.309 --> 00:30:34.329 aspects about the family. 547 00:30:34.970 --> 00:30:39.019 Dad put some clothes on. That would be a horrifying sight. 548 00:30:41.839 --> 00:30:46.079 She's doing what she can to help because she obviously 549 00:30:46.119 --> 00:30:47.519 knows this is a weird town. 550 00:30:47.940 --> 00:30:51.700 Something more is going on here. We get a lot. 551 00:30:51.740 --> 00:30:54.680 Of course, as you mentioned before, we get the little 552 00:30:54.720 --> 00:30:56.740 nod to Hector Hammond, but it turns out it's actually 553 00:30:57.390 --> 00:31:01.089 Hector Gutierrez. And it's a trick to try to get 554 00:31:01.130 --> 00:31:06.470 them again to go away, flee, leave this town. But 555

00:31:06.490 --> 00:31:11.279 they won't. But it is interesting that the people on 556 00:31:11.319 --> 00:31:16.480 the ranch knew immediately to utilize the weapons that would 557 00:31:17.279 --> 00:31:20.099 take out lanterns or at least disable them. 558 00:31:20.930 --> 00:31:25.109 Yeah, and they got a very clear look about how 559 00:31:25.150 --> 00:31:29.210 that worked, and then they basically saw the armory, which 560 00:31:29.269 --> 00:31:33.890 was crazy, with alien tech and the cow scene. I 561 00:31:33.930 --> 00:31:36.250 thought that was a nice little showing of what they 562 00:31:36.269 --> 00:31:37.910 could do. So it was kind of cool, man. 563 00:31:38.259 --> 00:31:41.539 That's why John's a vegan, as we learned. 564 00:31:43.160 --> 00:31:47.779 Yes. I was like, oh, man, that's kind of cool that... 565 00:31:48.809 --> 00:31:52.619 they basically use the lasers to cut out the different 566 00:31:52.640 --> 00:31:54.960 cuts of meat on the cow. I was kind of like, Ooh, 567 00:31:55.000 --> 00:31:58.420 that's kind of cool. And they cut it perfectly. And then, 568 00:31:58.579 --> 00:32:01.269 you know, obviously, and, uh, how just in there, like 569 00:32:01.690 --> 00:32:06.210 just lifts his hand a little bit. I like facial 570 00:32:06.250 --> 00:32:07.369 expression does not change. 571 00:32:07.390 --> 00:32:11.410 I like when they walk into that, into the, into 572 00:32:11.470 --> 00:32:15.819 the white room and how says, you know, cause there's 573 00:32:15.900 --> 00:32:19.420 jazz music playing. He's like jazz. Oh, that can't be good. 574 00:32:19.940 --> 00:32:20.319 Oh no. 575 00:32:20.680 --> 00:32:22.920 It's never good when you walk into a crisp, clean 576 00:32:22.980 --> 00:32:26.059 room like that. And it's just like the most melodic type, 577 00:32:26.099 --> 00:32:28.779 soft jazz or something. Uh, what's up with the people 578 00:32:28.880 --> 00:32:32.259 ignoring them as much? Do you think it's like, like 579 00:32:32.519 --> 00:32:36.180 they just knew about them coming or was it like, 580 00:32:36.220 --> 00:32:36.960 what was up with that? 581 00:32:37.000 --> 00:32:37.880 That felt a little weird. 582 00:32:38.500 --> 00:32:40.940 Yeah. I mean, I would imagine maybe that they're under 583 00:32:40.980 --> 00:32:42.440 some kind of mind control or something. 584 00:32:42.529 --> 00:32:42.960 I don't know. 585 00:32:43.700 --> 00:32:48.480 Uh, she, uh, might have something, I don't know. It 586 00:32:49.660 --> 00:32:54.519 almost felt very eerie. It felt a lot like Severance. 587 00:32:54.599 --> 00:32:58.599 The Severance employees are the ones that are deeply within 588 00:32:58.960 --> 00:33:02.390 the network, are kind of like zombies. And that's kind 589 00:33:02.410 --> 00:33:02.970 of what this was. 590 00:33:03.690 --> 00:33:06.170 Yeah, it really felt like that. 591 00:33:06.710 --> 00:33:08.509 I want to go back to, we were talking about 592 00:33:08.529 --> 00:33:10.750 Hal and John, and I forgot to mention this because 593 00:33:10.789 --> 00:33:13.710 I wanted to mention it. Because this is still before 594 00:33:13.750 --> 00:33:18.720 the fracturing But when they're in the rental earlier on 595 00:33:18.759 --> 00:33:22.480 in the episode and it's after Zoe has seemingly died, 596 00:33:24.099 --> 00:33:29.250 Hal says to John, basically, you know, how are you doing? 597 00:33:29.829 --> 00:33:30.470 People die. 598 00:33:30.549 --> 00:33:33.049 And, you know, you never asked me that. And it's like, well, 599 00:33:33.069 --> 00:33:35.869 people are dying is part of part of the job. 600 00:33:36.190 --> 00:33:39.490 Keeping people at a distance. It's a lonely job. You know, 601 00:33:39.990 --> 00:33:42.190 he is again. That's where it's like it goes back 602 00:33:42.230 --> 00:33:43.890 to the respect thing where it's like I think deep 603 00:33:43.930 --> 00:33:46.279 down he has some. sort of care and respect for him. 604 00:33:46.339 --> 00:33:49.839 Cause he, there's, there was no other reason to offer 605 00:33:49.880 --> 00:33:52.900 him that. And he's trying to teach him in that. 606 00:33:52.980 --> 00:33:55.910 That's like one of the most prime examples of mentorship 607 00:33:55.950 --> 00:33:59.250 that Hal's displayed at all throughout the course of the series. 608 00:34:00.210 --> 00:34:03.109 You know, what's crazy though, is like at that moment, 609 00:34:03.190 --> 00:34:05.869 he knows that he, that he's, he's been lied to 610 00:34:07.069 --> 00:34:09.309 and he still gives him this teachable moment. 611 00:34:09.389 --> 00:34:09.590 Yeah. 612 00:34:09.929 --> 00:34:10.090 Yeah. 613 00:34:10.170 --> 00:34:10.389 Yeah. 614 00:34:10.449 --> 00:34:15.050 So, You know, Hal on the exterior is very rough 615 00:34:15.230 --> 00:34:18.090 around the edges, but there's a bit of softness to him. 616 00:34:18.150 --> 00:34:21.840 And I think it sounds like, or it seems like, 617 00:34:22.409 --> 00:34:26.800 the moment that basically turned Hal into what he is 618 00:34:27.820 --> 00:34:32.820 comes from when... This is my guess, and I think 619 00:34:32.980 --> 00:34:36.639 this is their way of explaining it. I think when 620 00:34:36.780 --> 00:34:38.519 he had to take down Sinestro. 621 00:34:39.019 --> 00:34:39.179 Yeah. 622 00:34:39.659 --> 00:34:42.880 Yeah, I think that's the moment that was the moment 623 00:34:42.920 --> 00:34:46.159 that kind of broke him. Because we see that him 624 00:34:46.199 --> 00:34:48.360 and Sinestro, that the way that they talk and the 625 00:34:48.380 --> 00:34:51.900 way Sinestro talks to him, and they mentioned this in 626 00:34:51.920 --> 00:34:57.760 the after show, it messed with him. It affected him. Yeah, 627 00:34:57.800 --> 00:35:02.179 it affected him tremendously. And so I think having to 628 00:35:02.219 --> 00:35:09.869 revisit that again or revisit him, it hurts because... like 629 00:35:09.889 --> 00:35:13.570 the after show said, he essentially Sinestro is a

father 630 00:35:13.590 --> 00:35:18.539 figure to Hal. And yeah, having to visit him, I'm 631 00:35:18.599 --> 00:35:21.239 sure he kind of likes seeing him, but also like, 632 00:35:21.300 --> 00:35:25.239 there's a lot of hurt there. And, um, that relationship 633 00:35:25.280 --> 00:35:27.599 would never get there. John, I don't think we'll, I 634 00:35:27.619 --> 00:35:30.929 mean that John, Hal, I don't think we'll ever get closure. Um, 635 00:35:31.190 --> 00:35:34.969 I don't think, uh, with Sinestro, uh, and, uh, and 636 00:35:34.989 --> 00:35:37.329 I'm sure he can't like, you know, talk about like 637 00:35:37.369 --> 00:35:40.429 how he feels to Sinestro either because of, what he's done. 638 00:35:41.130 --> 00:35:44.929 Yeah, we mentioned it. He talks about his parents. His 639 00:35:45.010 --> 00:35:50.199 parents were not around, never around. His mom died, and dad, 640 00:35:50.239 --> 00:35:51.559 I don't remember what he said. 641 00:35:51.579 --> 00:35:53.559 I think he was always working. He was always working, 642 00:35:53.579 --> 00:35:55.920 that's right. And he died early, too, or he died young. 643 00:35:56.659 --> 00:36:01.119 So he never really had a true parental figure in 644 00:36:01.159 --> 00:36:03.760 his life that was very present in his life. And 645 00:36:03.800 --> 00:36:06.559 so when Sinestro comes in, a lot of this we're inferring, 646 00:36:06.599 --> 00:36:09.750 but based off the discussions and things, it feels like 647 00:36:09.789 --> 00:36:14.159 Sinestro was finally that father figure that he always probably 648 00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:21.039 wanted and got, but then, and Sinestro says it, it's 649 00:36:21.079 --> 00:36:23.280 like one of the final things he says to Hal, 650 00:36:23.719 --> 00:36:26.429 my ambition was always a threat, you just chose not 651 00:36:26.469 --> 00:36:29.610 to see. Do not make the same mistake with Jon Stewart. 652 00:36:30.550 --> 00:36:32.829 You just chose not to see because I looked at 653 00:36:32.869 --> 00:36:35.230 you as a dad. I wouldn't think you would go 654 00:36:35.309 --> 00:36:38.989 to those lengths of killing a, guardian or, you know, 655 00:36:39.010 --> 00:36:42.250 trying to do this coup and all these things. I 656 00:36:42.269 --> 00:36:43.949 wouldn't think you would do that because you were, you 657 00:36:43.989 --> 00:36:46.510 were the person that taught me how to do justice, 658 00:36:46.550 --> 00:36:49.469 how to do the things, the right things about being 659 00:36:49.530 --> 00:36:50.170 a Green Lantern. 660 00:36:50.909 --> 00:36:51.170 Yeah. 661 00:36:51.670 --> 00:36:56.969 And, and I think that relationship, you could see a 662 00:36:57.030 --> 00:37:01.510 lot of that. And I don't know, I, I don't know, um, 663 00:37:01.829 --> 00:37:06.710 if Hal can see it. But that relationship is always, 664 00:37:06.730 --> 00:37:11.360 I think that relationship is very present the way that 665 00:37:11.420 --> 00:37:14.559 Hal treats John. And I think it almost kind of 666 00:37:14.599 --> 00:37:18.880 mirrors the relationship between him and Sinestro. And I don't, 667 00:37:19.139 --> 00:37:23.269 you know, obviously John has a father and I don't 668 00:37:23.289 --> 00:37:25.769 know if John will ever feel the way Hal felt 669 00:37:25.809 --> 00:37:29.349 towards Sinestro the way that, you know, maybe Hal thinks 670 00:37:30.190 --> 00:37:32.170 that John feels the way towards him, if that makes 671 00:37:32.230 --> 00:37:36.250 any sense. But The way that I think Hal is 672 00:37:36.750 --> 00:37:41.829 treating John is almost probably like how Sinestro treated Hal. 673 00:37:42.269 --> 00:37:44.650 Yeah, probably to a certain extent, yeah. 674 00:37:45.429 --> 00:37:47.809 It's just some of it now is, I think as 675 00:37:47.829 --> 00:37:53.630 you said earlier, there's a level of maybe cynicism or 676 00:37:54.690 --> 00:37:59.340 whatever the case may be that Hal treats John. But 677 00:37:59.820 --> 00:38:03.780 there was probably that some... little hints of that early 678 00:38:03.880 --> 00:38:06.639 on with, with Sinestro and as they work together. And 679 00:38:06.940 --> 00:38:09.119 we don't, at least in this version, we don't know 680 00:38:09.179 --> 00:38:11.750 how long they spent together, but long enough to where 681 00:38:11.869 --> 00:38:15.449 he still would like to listen to Sinestro in some ways, 682 00:38:15.510 --> 00:38:17.550 I would imagine hints why he goes to him and 683 00:38:17.570 --> 00:38:19.530 why they talk for so long as, as they do. 684 00:38:20.289 --> 00:38:24.010 Yeah. And just a quick aside, and I don't know 685 00:38:24.050 --> 00:38:26.869 if you guys have ever had this question when we 686 00:38:26.909 --> 00:38:30.309 talk about TV shows spelling it out for you and 687 00:38:30.329 --> 00:38:32.630 all that stuff. This is kind of like a surface 688 00:38:32.670 --> 00:38:35.710 level of... I don't want to say surface level. This 689 00:38:35.769 --> 00:38:40.110 is an easy version to pick out and say, that 690 00:38:40.170 --> 00:38:46.409 conversation between Sinestro and Hal, this is what smart shows do. 691 00:38:46.869 --> 00:38:49.409 They don't give you the full context and let the 692 00:38:49.530 --> 00:38:54.019 watcher essentially put the pieces together. Like, we don't know, like, 693 00:38:54.420 --> 00:38:57.119 the exact relationship that they had, but we could just 694 00:38:57.179 --> 00:39:00.079 infer from the fact that they talk to each other, 695 00:39:00.099 --> 00:39:04.110 the way that, you know, the dynamic between the two, 696 00:39:04.119 --> 00:39:08.949 you could see it in Kyle Chandler's face, the hurt 697 00:39:09.010 --> 00:39:11.409 that he has and the distance he's kind of keeping 698 00:39:11.429 --> 00:39:13.610 from And, you know, all that kind of stuff. And 699 00:39:13.989 --> 00:39:16.360 that's kind of what we talk about when we when 700 00:39:16.380 --> 00:39:18.760 we talk about like shows

spelling it out for you 701 00:39:18.800 --> 00:39:20.800 and how good shows don't do that. And this is 702 00:39:20.840 --> 00:39:23.019 a perfect example of that. Like me and Michael here 703 00:39:23.059 --> 00:39:25.969 sitting here talking about this for five, 10 minutes, like 704 00:39:26.030 --> 00:39:28.789 we're putting the pieces together and we're telling, you know, 705 00:39:28.829 --> 00:39:30.820 we're kind of saying like, hey. like this is what 706 00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:33.780 we think happened and they're kind of spelling it out 707 00:39:33.820 --> 00:39:37.099 for you but they're really not and so like if 708 00:39:37.179 --> 00:39:39.360 a bad show were to do this they would do 709 00:39:39.429 --> 00:39:41.849 like a flashback or something like that and so like 710 00:39:41.909 --> 00:39:44.530 it's not needed right it's not needed and just the 711 00:39:45.010 --> 00:39:47.750 the subtle the subtleties of the way that they talk 712 00:39:47.789 --> 00:39:49.789 to each other the just the language that they use 713 00:39:50.409 --> 00:39:52.969 it goes a long way. And I, I love the, I, that, 714 00:39:53.050 --> 00:39:55.389 that short little dialogue that they had between the two 715 00:39:55.409 --> 00:39:58.590 of them. I, I really enjoyed that part of this episode. 716 00:39:58.829 --> 00:39:59.070 Yeah. 717 00:39:59.190 --> 00:40:02.329 I mean, there's a lot of shows and, and the 718 00:40:02.369 --> 00:40:05.730 term in like, like video games is handholding, right? The 719 00:40:05.909 --> 00:40:10.440 certain video games hold your hand through a good portion 720 00:40:10.460 --> 00:40:12.400 of the game where it's like, just let me do, 721 00:40:12.519 --> 00:40:14.420 let me figure it out myself. Let me, let me 722 00:40:14.460 --> 00:40:17.300 do my thing so I can figure things out. This 723 00:40:17.340 --> 00:40:20.650 show doesn't hold your hand. It, it's, it's giving you 724 00:40:20.670 --> 00:40:25.280 the pieces and you slowly like are putting this mystery 725 00:40:25.320 --> 00:40:30.300 together as we see moving forward, you know, because we 726 00:40:30.320 --> 00:40:32.579 get that moment, you know, with Sinestro right at the beginning, 727 00:40:33.500 --> 00:40:35.960 we get that, that bit about his parents, like in 728 00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:36.380 the middle. 729 00:40:36.440 --> 00:40:37.659 So it's like, Oh, okay. 730 00:40:37.679 --> 00:40:40.409 That more informs about the Sinestro part of it. And 731 00:40:40.449 --> 00:40:44.210 this informs that like shows that are doing it on 732 00:40:44.269 --> 00:40:48.989 this level, aren't over explaining things to you. Aren't, regurgitating 733 00:40:49.130 --> 00:40:51.670 info that they just spout off like two seconds ago. 734 00:40:53.659 --> 00:40:58.119 They treat the viewers as smarter than just simply like 735 00:40:58.880 --> 00:41:01.300 on their phone or whatever the case may be. Now, 736 00:41:01.320 --> 00:41:03.460 if you're on your phone and you miss some of 737 00:41:03.500 --> 00:41:06.239 the stuff, that's a you problem at that point. 738 00:41:06.820 --> 00:41:07.909 And there's a rewind button. 739 00:41:07.949 --> 00:41:09.050 Yeah, there's a rewind button. 740 00:41:09.090 --> 00:41:13.670 Like, just process this. We're all processing it at the 741 00:41:13.730 --> 00:41:17.559 same time because, yeah. And it's not like, linear storytelling 742 00:41:17.619 --> 00:41:19.699 is necessarily a bad thing. When it's done well, it's 743 00:41:19.739 --> 00:41:25.219 done well. And certain shows necessitate more linear storytelling than others. 744 00:41:25.670 --> 00:41:29.489 But this one is striking that right balance of knowing 745 00:41:29.550 --> 00:41:33.510 when to jump around the timelines, knowing when to unveil 746 00:41:33.550 --> 00:41:36.889 this part of the mystery, but keep this part secret. 747 00:41:37.070 --> 00:41:41.110 Or once it reveals an aspect, now it's like, okay, 748 00:41:41.389 --> 00:41:44.239 but what does that mean for these other aspects? This 749 00:41:44.320 --> 00:41:46.940 is a show that's done all of that so well with, 750 00:41:47.099 --> 00:41:49.219 with smart writing too. I mean, I think that the 751 00:41:49.260 --> 00:41:50.880 writing has been very, very sharp so far. 752 00:41:51.579 --> 00:41:53.699 Yeah. I'm a little surprised that they keep giving us 753 00:41:53.760 --> 00:41:57.909 the date. Um, just because, uh, I think we can 754 00:41:57.969 --> 00:42:01.780 kind of tell, uh, when's when, because I think, you know, 755 00:42:01.780 --> 00:42:05.050 2026 or five is when, you know, John has that goatee. 756 00:42:05.070 --> 00:42:05.889 Yeah, that's true. 757 00:42:06.329 --> 00:42:10.230 Yeah. I don't like, I, I'm just, I'm just nitpicking here. 758 00:42:10.269 --> 00:42:12.309 I'm just like, I don't, I don't care, but I 759 00:42:12.349 --> 00:42:14.449 just feel like the way that they've written the show 760 00:42:14.510 --> 00:42:17.719 that they, usually when you write it like this, that 761 00:42:17.780 --> 00:42:19.420 they don't give you the dates. 762 00:42:19.679 --> 00:42:20.739 Yeah. No, that's true. 763 00:42:21.489 --> 00:42:25.909 And if that's the only, like, caveat to give to people, like, 764 00:42:25.969 --> 00:42:30.030 to people that maybe don't pay attention fully, I'll take 765 00:42:30.070 --> 00:42:35.469 that over, like, re-explaining the plot, like, ten times, like 766 00:42:35.530 --> 00:42:38.099 other shows do. And I mentioned it on a previous 767 00:42:38.699 --> 00:42:44.000 issue with you and Shalise. The Reacher, I enjoy the show, but, like, 768 00:42:44.559 --> 00:42:47.250 they are... over explain things way too much or they 769 00:42:47.760 --> 00:42:51.699 state the most obvious facts from the power went out 770 00:42:51.860 --> 00:42:53.739 oh no the power went out like you know like 771 00:42:53.760 --> 00:42:56.239 we don't we i saw it happen like i don't 772 00:42:56.260 -->

00:42:59.199 need you to tell me the power went out um 773 00:42:59.320 --> 00:43:01.280 or just basic things like that it's not just a 774 00:43:01.320 --> 00:43:03.840 reacher it's other shows and we talked about it with 775 00:43:03.900 --> 00:43:06.559 netflix shows where they cater more to people on their 776 00:43:06.599 --> 00:43:10.139 phones more and more it feels like which is depressing 777 00:43:10.239 --> 00:43:13.980 because there are shows that that do this very well 778 00:43:14.400 --> 00:43:16.579 And I would like more of this where I'm having 779 00:43:16.619 --> 00:43:19.840 to figure things out and, and put pieces together in this, 780 00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:23.659 in this mystery aspect. And especially with these characters in, 781 00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:26.860 in this world, because we still don't like there are, 782 00:43:26.880 --> 00:43:30.760 you know, they mentioned about the alien hit squad and John, 783 00:43:30.940 --> 00:43:34.000 how forces John to call them at some point, or 784 00:43:34.079 --> 00:43:35.820 I guess it's right before the end of the episode, 785 00:43:37.159 --> 00:43:39.619 but we still don't know the full extent of those 786 00:43:39.989 --> 00:43:44.380 aliens and what they're, are they simply like, after the 787 00:43:44.420 --> 00:43:48.179 Manhunter for what they did or, or once they take 788 00:43:48.219 --> 00:43:50.900 out the Manhunter, are they up to more nefarious things? 789 00:43:51.039 --> 00:43:53.780 You know, like we don't know where their long-term plans 790 00:43:53.800 --> 00:43:55.280 are going to go. Yeah. 791 00:43:55.320 --> 00:44:00.239 Their true intentions aren't known yet. The, you know, like you're, 792 00:44:00.280 --> 00:44:02.639 like you're saying, like what happens when the Manhunter is gone? 793 00:44:02.699 --> 00:44:06.619 Are they going, are, you know, is what is their 794 00:44:06.739 --> 00:44:09.739 end goal? And we don't know that yet. And I 795 00:44:09.780 --> 00:44:12.480 guess there, we'll see a bunch of them, in the 796 00:44:12.519 --> 00:44:17.190 next episode and kind of see where... We might be 797 00:44:17.250 --> 00:44:20.550 close to... What was that? Episode 5? 798 00:44:20.769 --> 00:44:23.449 That was episode 4 on Sunday. 799 00:44:23.469 --> 00:44:24.789 So we'll have episode 5 this week. 800 00:44:25.090 --> 00:44:28.429 Okay. So I'm kind of like, man, it almost seems 801 00:44:28.449 --> 00:44:33.530 like it's climaxing a little too early. And I'm sure 802 00:44:33.570 --> 00:44:37.820 there's a lot of stuff that we still got to resolve. 803 00:44:38.340 --> 00:44:43.690 But it almost feels like this was kind of... Or 804 00:44:43.730 --> 00:44:46.590 at least to me, it felt like this was kind 805 00:44:46.630 --> 00:44:52.329 of like the finisher where they have this confrontation. So 806 00:44:52.369 --> 00:44:54.650 I'm guessing there's going to be a lot more to happen. 807 00:44:54.730 --> 00:44:58.280 And maybe this carries over to

episode six as well. 808 00:44:59.239 --> 00:45:03.340 But yeah, it's going to get very serious very fast. 809 00:45:03.440 --> 00:45:09.900 And there's very little time for Jon and Hal to 810 00:45:09.940 --> 00:45:10.289 make up. 811 00:45:10.360 --> 00:45:10.889 And I. 812 00:45:11.889 --> 00:45:14.849 I don't think that they make up. I don't. And 813 00:45:14.889 --> 00:45:19.409 I think, yeah, I think this finishes because, you know, 814 00:45:19.530 --> 00:45:21.820 he comes back and he comes back 10 years later. 815 00:45:21.920 --> 00:45:26.099 And to me, if there was a closure between the two, 816 00:45:26.380 --> 00:45:29.219 I feel maybe like John is, or yeah, John's more 817 00:45:29.239 --> 00:45:33.019 emotional when he sees him. So I don't think anything 818 00:45:33.039 --> 00:45:37.280 gets resolved. And just kind of like reading tea leaves 819 00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:39.320 on like the way that the, the vibe of the show, 820 00:45:40.409 --> 00:45:43.099 I feel like they're going to leave it dangling like 821 00:45:43.139 --> 00:45:46.280 this and not have closure because it just feels like 822 00:45:46.760 --> 00:45:47.920 a show that will do that. 823 00:45:48.079 --> 00:45:49.539 Yeah, that's a good point. 824 00:45:49.579 --> 00:45:54.340 So now like thinking back when John finds Hal and 825 00:45:54.360 --> 00:45:56.699 he has that tear roll down, maybe it's not a 826 00:45:56.719 --> 00:45:59.969 tear of just sadness that he's gone. It's sadness that 827 00:46:00.010 --> 00:46:02.929 he never made amends to maybe, but maybe the two 828 00:46:03.030 --> 00:46:04.809 or they never got a chance to make amends. 829 00:46:05.480 --> 00:46:08.320 Yeah, because I don't know. Just the way that the 830 00:46:08.360 --> 00:46:12.420 vibe of the show is going, it's not a show 831 00:46:12.460 --> 00:46:14.659 that's going to give you all the happy endings. 832 00:46:15.639 --> 00:46:18.219 No, that's a good point. I hadn't considered that. That's 833 00:46:18.260 --> 00:46:21.590 a really good point. But it does feel like it's 834 00:46:21.630 --> 00:46:24.550 that type of show. Because like you, when I was 835 00:46:24.590 --> 00:46:28.769 watching the episode, I remember going to the timeline like, man, 836 00:46:28.809 --> 00:46:31.190 I feel like there's only like two minutes left in 837 00:46:31.230 --> 00:46:34.110 this episode. Oh no, there's 19 minutes left. Like what 838 00:46:34.170 --> 00:46:38.820 is happening? It feels like it's crescendoing right now. And 839 00:46:38.860 --> 00:46:41.019 it does feel like if this was a typical show, 840 00:46:41.059 --> 00:46:43.380 this feels like it would have been the penultimate episode, 841 00:46:43.739 --> 00:46:46.019 not episode four in the middle of the season. 842 00:46:46.760 --> 00:46:47.099 Yeah. 843 00:46:47.139 --> 00:46:47.400 Yeah. 844 00:46:47.420 --> 00:46:51.909 So like, it just, yeah, I, I, maybe they, they 845 00:46:51.949 --> 00:46:55.190 do more stuff with Sinestro. Maybe that there, maybe once 846 00:46:55.369 --> 00:46:58.789 the Manhunter is maybe gone, um, Then we'll get a 847 00:46:59.090 --> 00:47:03.909 different storyline, and Guy Garner comes into this thing. So, yeah, 848 00:47:03.949 --> 00:47:06.469 there's a lot. I know there's a lot to explore, 849 00:47:06.789 --> 00:47:10.829 but it just feels like, like you said, that feels 850 00:47:10.869 --> 00:47:12.929 like we're about to be at the end of the season, 851 00:47:12.949 --> 00:47:13.469 not at the middle. 852 00:47:13.780 --> 00:47:17.019 Well, even, too, looking at the preview for next week's episode, 853 00:47:17.920 --> 00:47:20.019 it feels like the aliens show up and are blowing 854 00:47:20.079 --> 00:47:20.860 everything up, right? 855 00:47:20.900 --> 00:47:24.710 Like, it just looks decimating. or decimated the town. 856 00:47:24.789 --> 00:47:28.719 So it feels like an action heavy episode this, this 857 00:47:28.760 --> 00:47:31.920 coming week with the fallout, of course, of him also 858 00:47:31.960 --> 00:47:33.820 trying to get out of the rental car and how 859 00:47:33.900 --> 00:47:36.659 like taunting him or whatever the case may be between 860 00:47:36.699 --> 00:47:40.750 the two. But it, it feels like, again, it feels 861 00:47:40.769 --> 00:47:43.210 like that should be a penultimate episode. And then even 862 00:47:43.289 --> 00:47:44.949 after that, we got three more episodes. 863 00:47:45.510 --> 00:47:50.619 Yeah. So I, man, it's, it's, quickly becoming one of 864 00:47:50.639 --> 00:47:52.340 the best shows of the year for me, or at 865 00:47:52.360 --> 00:47:55.590 least the ones that I've seen so far, and I'm 866 00:47:55.630 --> 00:47:56.559 thoroughly enjoying it. 867 00:47:57.030 --> 00:47:59.789 Yeah, same. It's up there for me. 868 00:47:59.829 --> 00:48:02.949 The Pit is obviously season two is one of my favorites, 869 00:48:03.010 --> 00:48:04.730 or if not my favorite of the year so far, 870 00:48:05.550 --> 00:48:08.590 but this is screaming towards the top, and then I 871 00:48:08.650 --> 00:48:11.820 still need to watch Widow's Bay. Everyone's raving about that show, 872 00:48:11.860 --> 00:48:14.219 and I really want to check that out because I 873 00:48:14.280 --> 00:48:16.619 know people rave about that one being one of the 874 00:48:16.659 --> 00:48:17.219 best of the year. 875 00:48:18.400 --> 00:48:22.019 Yeah, I haven't finished it, but it's been good so far. 876 00:48:22.079 --> 00:48:24.860 It's like a nice little murder mystery kind of thing. 877 00:48:24.889 --> 00:48:26.630 If you enjoy those, I think you'll enjoy it. 878 00:48:27.449 --> 00:48:31.349 I'm all about that. So one more thing on the 879 00:48:31.530 --> 00:48:35.730 aliens before we start to close out. It's an aspect 880 00:48:35.769 --> 00:48:38.809 that we haven't talked about on the podcast as of 881 00:48:38.829 --> 00:48:44.130 yet with Anton and the rest of those aliens, in 882 00:48:44.170 --> 00:48:48.760

that there are thoughts with the way Anton presented his 883 00:48:48.860 --> 00:48:54.440 backstory to John in Episode 2, that the character's backstory 884 00:48:54.559 --> 00:48:57.699 sounds a lot like a certain character, a certain villain 885 00:48:57.719 --> 00:49:03.550 that appears in Green Lantern, that character being Atrocitus, because 886 00:49:03.630 --> 00:49:07.429 long ago when the rogue Manhunters rampaged through Green Lantern 887 00:49:07.469 --> 00:49:11.269 Sector 666, I see what they did there, Atrocitus was 888 00:49:11.389 --> 00:49:13.789 one of only five beings in the entire sector to 889 00:49:13.829 --> 00:49:16.469 escape death. He and the other four survivors formed a 890 00:49:16.510 --> 00:49:19.269 terrorist cabal known as the Five Inversions, bent on the 891 00:49:19.289 --> 00:49:22.099 destruction of the world. of the guardians of the universe 892 00:49:22.500 --> 00:49:26.019 and all who served them, with Atrocitus serving as their leader. 893 00:49:27.639 --> 00:49:32.420 And based off what Anton told John, it felt very Atrocitus. 894 00:49:33.119 --> 00:49:37.780 So could we be seeing Atrocitus in human form right now, John? 895 00:49:38.989 --> 00:49:42.380 Maybe, and maybe that's the direction that they'll go after, 896 00:49:43.099 --> 00:49:46.099 which seemingly is going to be the next episode, and 897 00:49:46.159 --> 00:49:51.360 maybe carry over to episode six. And maybe that's the 898 00:49:51.400 --> 00:49:53.480 way that we go and end the series. 899 00:49:53.960 --> 00:49:54.659 Yeah, that would be. 900 00:49:54.760 --> 00:49:57.210 Or not the series, but the season. I would imagine... 901 00:49:57.409 --> 00:49:59.289 I feel like this is a one-off. 902 00:50:00.210 --> 00:50:00.929 Oh, you think so? 903 00:50:01.469 --> 00:50:05.989 Yeah, I think so. And we'll... This is a launching 904 00:50:06.030 --> 00:50:09.960 point for... for the lanterns to go to the big screen, 905 00:50:10.179 --> 00:50:13.449 I feel like. Because obviously the next time, not obviously, 906 00:50:13.489 --> 00:50:15.710 but the next time we see John is going to 907 00:50:15.750 --> 00:50:19.130 be in Man of Tomorrow. And I feel like at 908 00:50:19.190 --> 00:50:23.909 that point, at that point, you have somebody that is 909 00:50:23.929 --> 00:50:30.789 a proven person that can bring eyes to screens. And man, 910 00:50:30.909 --> 00:50:35.000 what am I forgetting his name? Aaron Pierre. And you have, 911 00:50:35.099 --> 00:50:38.949 I think, a... an IP that has built a lot 912 00:50:38.969 --> 00:50:41.829 of goodwill through the show. And I'm sure he'll be 913 00:50:42.030 --> 00:50:45.750 utilized a lot in the movie. And so I think 914 00:50:45.769 --> 00:50:47.949 you could spin this off into a movie. The next 915 00:50:48.050 --> 00:50:52.250 one can be a bigger Green Lantern Corps movie that 916 00:50:52.510 --> 00:50:56.940 maybe deals with things outside of Earth. And I know 917 00:50:56.960 --> 00:51:01.599

that's a completely different vibe from the show. But I 918 00:51:01.639 --> 00:51:04.179 feel like you could take it next level with Jon Stewart. 919 00:51:04.360 --> 00:51:05.320 Maybe I'm wrong. 920 00:51:05.820 --> 00:51:06.099 So. 921 00:51:06.690 --> 00:51:09.219 Just in a quick Google search, this is from The 922 00:51:09.239 --> 00:51:14.940 Hollywood Reporter. In talking to Chris Mundy, who's one of 923 00:51:14.960 --> 00:51:19.159 the showrunners, he says they're already mapping out a potential 924 00:51:19.199 --> 00:51:24.699 season two story with Halt and Catch Fire co-creator Christopher Cantwell. 925 00:51:25.980 --> 00:51:29.449 Lindelof and King are busy leading their respective new series, 926 00:51:29.510 --> 00:51:30.489 The Chains and Mr. 927 00:51:30.550 --> 00:51:30.969 Miracle. 928 00:51:31.269 --> 00:51:34.659 While Lantern season two has not been officially greenlit, Mundy 929 00:51:34.699 --> 00:51:37.440 and Cantwell are getting their ducks in a row should 930 00:51:37.480 --> 00:51:40.900 the audience reception and viewership numbers match the critics' enthusiasm 931 00:51:40.960 --> 00:51:46.019 for the down-to-earth take on Green Lantern. So it's not official, but, oh, 932 00:51:46.059 --> 00:51:49.070 and then Mundy says, we feel good that we told 933 00:51:49.090 --> 00:51:51.969 the story in season one well. The question is whether 934 00:51:52.030 --> 00:51:54.989 season two is a story people are interested in. If 935 00:51:55.030 --> 00:51:57.110 that's the case, then we'll get to do another one. 936 00:51:57.449 --> 00:51:59.869 We'll tell it in a slightly different way so that 937 00:51:59.889 --> 00:52:02.150 it feels fresh with characters you know and care about. 938 00:52:02.599 --> 00:52:05.360 monday shares we're about six weeks into laying out a 939 00:52:05.420 --> 00:52:08.320 season and then we'll talk to folks about it really. 940 00:52:08.099 --> 00:52:13.690 Soon okay okay so potential you know i could i 941 00:52:13.750 --> 00:52:16.590 mean i kind of want them to explore the other 942 00:52:16.650 --> 00:52:18.849 lanterns a little bit outside of earth. 943 00:52:18.670 --> 00:52:23.150 And this type of detective style i think can still 944 00:52:23.269 --> 00:52:26.630 work if it's not on earth um but yeah i 945 00:52:26.650 --> 00:52:28.389 guess we'll see where this can go. 946 00:52:28.550 --> 00:52:31.260 And we know uh We know Hal doesn't really talk 947 00:52:31.280 --> 00:52:34.280 to other lanterns, so it'd be nice to talk to 948 00:52:34.300 --> 00:52:34.679 some of them. 949 00:52:34.880 --> 00:52:36.940 Apparently one of them was a squirrel, so, you know. 950 00:52:39.219 --> 00:52:43.989 Yeah, and, you know, I think maybe involving Guy Gardner 951 00:52:44.030 --> 00:52:47.010 in the next one would maybe— and I think I don't 952 00:52:47.050 --> 00:52:50.030 think— I don't think any of the lanterns like Guy Gardner. 953 00:52:50.210 --> 00:52:51.530 No, I would imagine not. 954 00:52:51.570 --> 00:52:54.760 Yeah. Yeah, but, yeah, I think we could do something 955 00:52:54.980 --> 00:52:57.030 with Guy Gardner, too. Like, Nathan Fillion can kind of 956 00:52:57.050 --> 00:52:59.869 come in. And I do see on IMDb that Nathan 957 00:52:59.889 --> 00:53:05.550 Fillion is in four episodes. Whoa. Yeah, we're going to 958 00:53:05.590 --> 00:53:07.190 see him next episode. 959 00:53:07.469 --> 00:53:07.909 I think. 960 00:53:08.030 --> 00:53:11.989 Yeah, if it's four, yeah. Now, IMDb is not always 961 00:53:11.989 --> 00:53:17.449 100% accurate, you know. I'm looking at the Bernadette top 962 00:53:17.469 --> 00:53:21.159 billing cast with Nicole Ari Parker. 963 00:53:21.639 --> 00:53:21.880 Mm-hmm. 964 00:53:23.469 --> 00:53:26.150 But it does have four episodes under Nathan Fillion. 965 00:53:28.409 --> 00:53:29.889 Oh, interesting. 966 00:53:31.260 --> 00:53:33.219 Yeah. So, I mean, it could be one of those 967 00:53:33.260 --> 00:53:36.219 things where he's there at the very end and that's 968 00:53:36.260 --> 00:53:39.889 still him credited. And then, you know, it might be 969 00:53:39.929 --> 00:53:41.090 bigger the following episode. 970 00:53:41.309 --> 00:53:41.570 I don't know. 971 00:53:41.610 --> 00:53:41.909 Who knows? 972 00:53:42.170 --> 00:53:44.090 Yeah, it could be. 973 00:53:44.110 --> 00:53:46.630 Well, I was going to ask, when do we think 974 00:53:46.710 --> 00:53:50.630 we get Guy Gardner? Maybe that's the tease at the 975 00:53:50.690 --> 00:53:54.190 end of this episode. Like, Guy Gardner pops up in 2026. Like, 976 00:53:54.210 --> 00:53:57.170 we go back to the 2026 storyline, and we get 977 00:53:57.190 --> 00:53:59.739 the tease to Guy Gardner, and maybe episode six is 978 00:53:59.840 --> 00:54:01.940 primarily in 2026 or something like that. 979 00:54:02.559 --> 00:54:05.739 Yeah. And I've seen a lot of people say that 980 00:54:05.960 --> 00:54:11.280 Guy has Hal's ring. I'm not quite sure. I mean, 981 00:54:11.760 --> 00:54:15.539 I could be completely wrong, but I also... I don't know. 982 00:54:15.599 --> 00:54:19.429 The Hal's ring looked completely different. And, you know, maybe 983 00:54:19.489 --> 00:54:21.809 my memory is just off, but I felt like Guy's 984 00:54:21.869 --> 00:54:22.690 ring looked different. 985 00:54:23.789 --> 00:54:26.269 Yeah, I think... And we were talking about it. 986 00:54:28.389 --> 00:54:30.309 I think it was episode one when we were doing 987 00:54:30.329 --> 00:54:33.710 our review. You know, the events of Green Lan... The 988 00:54:33.750 --> 00:54:36.900 events of Man of Steel have happened a year prior 989 00:54:37.019 --> 00:54:40.719 to the events of Lantern's 2026 storyline. 990 00:54:40.739 --> 00:54:40.940 So, unless. 991 00:54:44.829 --> 00:54:47.280 Hal hadn't had the ring for over a year or 992 00:54:47.340 --> 00:54:51.219 so it feels like if Hal's ring disappeared around 2026 993 00:54:51.219 --> 00:54:52.699 that can't be the same. 994

00:54:52.559 --> 00:54:56.920 Ring yeah I don't think it is and I'm like 995 00:54:56.960 --> 00:55:04.909 looking at a blurry picture of guys guys ring and 996 00:55:06.130 --> 00:55:10.329 it doesn't look it doesn't look similar I don't. 997 00:55:10.210 --> 00:55:15.650 Know yeah I tend to think I tend to think 998 00:55:15.730 --> 00:55:18.860 it's not like Guy Gardner. It's not like that. Like 999 00:55:18.889 --> 00:55:22.440 it's too perfect of a, Oh, obviously it's gotta be 1000 00:55:22.480 --> 00:55:25.920 Guy Gardner. Like it's too perfect of a solution to 1001 00:55:25.980 --> 00:55:28.340 say it's, it's his, there's something more to this. And 1002 00:55:28.599 --> 00:55:31.099 like you, I don't think the rings are necessarily the, 1003 00:55:31.579 --> 00:55:34.639 they look similar. So there's more to this than. 1004 00:55:34.739 --> 00:55:37.730 Meets the eye. All right. 1005 00:55:38.530 --> 00:55:39.389 Yeah. 1006 00:55:39.489 --> 00:55:39.650 Yeah. 1007 00:55:39.989 --> 00:55:42.150 I don't, I don't, I don't know. That's just me. 1008 00:55:42.210 --> 00:55:44.869 And I guess you, but, I guess we'll see, because 1009 00:55:44.889 --> 00:55:49.409 the prevailing theory is that Guy's ring is... What do 1010 00:55:49.429 --> 00:55:52.269 you call it? Guy's ring is from Hal. I don't know. 1011 00:55:53.130 --> 00:55:56.170 I don't know. Here at ComiCast, we say no. 1012 00:55:58.409 --> 00:55:59.530 We do have our doubts. 1013 00:55:59.840 --> 00:56:03.340 We have our doubts on that. Any other points on 1014 00:56:03.860 --> 00:56:05.320 episode four, the weenie? 1015 00:56:07.420 --> 00:56:13.989 No, I don't think so. But, yeah, I... the meme 1016 00:56:14.010 --> 00:56:18.360 that you sent about Mama Kent, that had me chuckle. 1017 00:56:19.380 --> 00:56:25.280 Yeah, so for folks that, of course, listening, I sent 1018 00:56:25.380 --> 00:56:30.230 Jong a screenshot of the Daily Kryptonian where the Daily 1019 00:56:30.250 --> 00:56:34.289 Kryptonian quote tweeted someone saying, feels like Clark and Jon 1020 00:56:34.309 --> 00:56:36.909 will be really great friends in Man of Tomorrow. Daily 1021 00:56:36.949 --> 00:56:39.570 Kryptonian said, keep Jon Stewart away from Ma Kent. 1022 00:56:39.929 --> 00:56:40.440 Yeah. 1023 00:56:41.960 --> 00:56:44.539 Oh, that was funny. Yeah, that was hilarious. 1024 00:56:44.659 --> 00:56:47.400 And not wrong. As we've learned, not wrong. 1025 00:56:48.039 --> 00:56:50.099 No, no, no. 1026 00:56:50.219 --> 00:56:53.659 Keep your moms away from Jon Stewart. Be careful out there. 1027 00:56:54.849 --> 00:56:58.230 But one scene that we didn't really talk about too much, 1028 00:56:58.849 --> 00:57:00.969 but I do want to highlight before we wrap up, 1029 00:57:01.030 --> 00:57:03.550 Jon just buying a scope, wanting to buy a scope, 1030 00:57:03.730 --> 00:57:06.849 and having the hardest time just getting a scope. But 1031 00:57:06.909 --> 00:57:10.000 my favorite part of that scene might be when the 1032 00:57:10.059 --> 00:57:13.440 guy's getting him the, the gun and Sean turns around 1033 00:57:13.500 --> 00:57:16.039 to the guy with, and he has the sandwich in 1034 00:57:16.079 --> 00:57:18.260 his hand. Let me guess if I want the tomato, 1035 00:57:18.280 --> 00:57:21.539 I got to get the ham too. It just, his 1036 00:57:21.559 --> 00:57:25.360 air peers delivery on that was so good. Um, and, 1037 00:57:25.559 --> 00:57:28.539 and even in the, in the next scene, when he's 1038 00:57:28.579 --> 00:57:31.599 talking to, uh, Hal about, they didn't let me in. 1039 00:57:32.949 --> 00:57:35.250 it's the happiest place on earth, but they said I'd 1040 00:57:35.289 --> 00:57:40.170 killed the vibe. Jon Stewart, low-key, super funny. 1041 00:57:40.929 --> 00:57:44.369 Oh, yeah. He has the dry sense of humor because 1042 00:57:44.389 --> 00:57:47.170 he's so serious all the time, and then he cracks 1043 00:57:47.210 --> 00:57:48.309 a joke, and you're kind of like, wait a minute. 1044 00:57:49.630 --> 00:57:54.280 Was that a joke? Just like the conversation that they 1045 00:57:54.300 --> 00:57:59.420 were having. But yeah, and I think Jon is also very... 1046 00:58:00.409 --> 00:58:06.320 What do you call it? Stubborn? Because a sane person, 1047 00:58:07.019 --> 00:58:09.000 you know, you put enough money down to buy that 1048 00:58:09.039 --> 00:58:13.579 whole gun, would have taken the whole gun. And him 1049 00:58:14.079 --> 00:58:18.039 just ripped the scope. I wouldn't say ripped. He took 1050 00:58:18.059 --> 00:58:20.400 the scope off the thing, off the rifle, and just 1051 00:58:21.460 --> 00:58:24.949 left it. And he was just like, I feel like 1052 00:58:25.010 --> 00:58:26.849 if you weren't so stubborn, you would have taken the 1053 00:58:26.869 --> 00:58:27.250 whole thing. 1054 00:58:27.449 --> 00:58:29.329 Yeah, no, he's stubborn. He's like, just give me the 1055 00:58:29.389 --> 00:58:30.070 stupid scope. 1056 00:58:30.519 --> 00:58:32.340 And I'm taking this ham and cheese sandwich or ham 1057 00:58:32.389 --> 00:58:33.809 and tomato sandwich, but I'm taking. 1058 00:58:33.630 --> 00:58:34.070 Out the ham. 1059 00:58:34.929 --> 00:58:38.030 Yeah, I always forget he's a vegan. And then they, 1060 00:58:38.329 --> 00:58:40.159 you know, they do remind us that he's a vegan. 1061 00:58:41.420 --> 00:58:43.860 You know, he's a good thing I'm a vegan. Or 1062 00:58:43.960 --> 00:58:45.980 he says something like, this is why I'm a vegan 1063 00:58:46.000 --> 00:58:48.429 or something. Yeah, yeah. And then the whole tomato thing. 1064 00:58:48.449 --> 00:58:50.219 I was like, wait, why is he cracking a joke 1065 00:58:50.260 --> 00:58:52.900 about a tomato? And I'm like, oh, that's right. He 1066 00:58:52.920 --> 00:58:56.679 doesn't eat meat. 1067 00:58:56.860 --> 00:58:59.900 That's our Jon Stewart. He's great. I love him. 1068 00:58:59.920 --> 00:59:05.409 Yeah. I mean, I love both characters for different reasons. 1069 00:59:06.090 --> 00:59:09.590 And I can't tell you. like, I... Gun to head, 1070 00:59:09.670 --> 00:59:12.679 I would say I... Man, I don't know if this 1071 00:59:12.719 --> 00:59:18.559 is a popular or unpopular opinion. I like the complexity 1072 00:59:18.980 --> 00:59:27.360 of Hal's character. And he's so rough around the edges. And, like, he's, quote, 1073 00:59:27.559 --> 00:59:32.480 old or experienced. uh, that I, I just, I don't know, 1074 00:59:32.539 --> 00:59:35.099 like that type of trope of a character just gets 1075 00:59:35.139 --> 00:59:38.280 me all the time because like there's, there's, there's room for, 1076 00:59:38.619 --> 00:59:41.769 you know, redemption, the art, the closing of the arc, uh, 1077 00:59:41.800 --> 00:59:43.940 the story arc. And so like, I, I don't know, 1078 00:59:44.039 --> 00:59:47.400 I thoroughly enjoy like that, that type of character. Like I, 1079 00:59:47.559 --> 00:59:50.800 I also really like how Aaron Pierre is portraying, uh, 1080 00:59:50.860 --> 00:59:54.659 this version of Jon Stewart, but I like Kyle Chandler's, um, 1081 00:59:55.199 --> 00:59:57.280 how Jordan just a little bit better. Yeah. 1082 00:59:57.989 --> 01:00:03.070 You're a fan of the closed-off, grumpy character that's going 1083 01:00:03.090 --> 01:00:04.789 to eventually, well, in this case. 1084 01:00:04.829 --> 01:00:06.250 Hopefully open up at some point. 1085 01:00:07.289 --> 01:00:08.489 Yeah, they might not. 1086 01:00:09.590 --> 01:00:12.989 Which, I think you're on to something with that one. 1087 01:00:13.280 --> 01:00:16.760 I had not even taken that into account. But yeah, 1088 01:00:17.539 --> 01:00:19.059 maybe we're not going to get a happy ending to 1089 01:00:19.099 --> 01:00:22.099 this story. But we'll see once it comes out. I 1090 01:00:22.139 --> 01:00:25.980 can't wait for Episode 5 when it releases this coming Sunday. 1091 01:00:26.389 --> 01:00:28.469 But for now, we're going to have to wait because 1092 01:00:28.510 --> 01:00:30.610 that's it for this issue of Comcast. Thank you all 1093 01:00:30.630 --> 01:00:33.510 for listening wherever you are. We greatly appreciate it. Again, 1094 01:00:33.550 --> 01:00:35.210 if you could leave us a rating or a review 1095 01:00:35.289 --> 01:00:38.110 on whatever podcast app you're using right now, we would 1096 01:00:38.489 --> 01:00:41.980 appreciate you taking those few seconds to do so. And again, 1097 01:00:42.280 --> 01:00:47.039 listen to my segment on ESPN 97.5 this Friday beginning 1098 01:00:47.079 --> 01:00:53.030 at 11.30 a.m. on the Del Olalea show. I'll be 1099 01:00:53.050 --> 01:00:56.309 giving away another pair of tickets to Tokyo X. Get 1100 01:00:56.329 --> 01:01:01.179 your tickets at Eventbrite or check out tokyonightfest.com for more details. 1101 01:01:01.440 --> 01:01:04.809 But until next time, we will talk to you guys later. 1102 01:01:05.449 --> 01:01:05.670 See ya.