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[SPEAKER_02]: Hello, and welcome to the C3 Podcast Code Conscious Conversations.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm Dr. Lisa Piper, here with Wendy Cona's Born We Are The Founders of Code Health.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hello, everyone, and welcome to the C3 podcast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Today, our guest is Dr. Chelsea Grow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She is a triple board certified neurologist with a subspecialty certification in headache medicine, sleep medicine, and electro myography.
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[SPEAKER_01]: After 20 years of clinical practice, treating migraines, sleeping disorders, and neurological conditions through conventional medicine, Dr. Chelsea shifted her focus to addressing the root cause behind these symptoms, nervous system dysregulation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She is the founder of Enhanced Esthetics.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and a professional speaker on mindset, brain optimization, trauma healing, and mind body medicine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Dr. Chelsea specializes in helping people break free by healing the nervous system at its root, using an integrated approach that addresses the underlying patterns, causing chronic migraines, sleep disruption, anxiety, and mental health struggles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Her work bridges conventional neurology with preventative root cause medicine, showing people how to move from symptom management to true nervous system healing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the C3 podcast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's wonderful to be here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for having me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We are so happy you're here and you know, we met you at one of the biohacker conventions and you are the epitome of someone who is beauty and brains and I just really want to say that it is such a pleasure hearing you speak
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[SPEAKER_01]: listening to you and watching you interact with everyone because the, you know, many times, someone with triple board certified doctor just doesn't have the interactions that you have with everyone and it just makes all the difference in the world.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I really just wanted to start the podcast
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[SPEAKER_01]: Lovely, lovely person.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So thank you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you very kind.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I love hearing that feedback.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It means a lot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: you know, and you know, we love the work that you're doing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's it's right up my alley for
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love let's talk about spirituality.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk about consciousness.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk about the root cause of what is making people sick and how do we help them get better.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So why what's your opinion on that?
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[SPEAKER_03]: So we're going to begin, you know, I think that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: in medicine especially what Western medicine we focus so much on putting labels and putting people in boxes and compartmentalizing you know so when somebody presents they have a symptom it goes down this algorithm based on years of training years of
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[SPEAKER_03]: studying books upon books.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But then we're released into mainstream and we're put in a lane.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And we wear a hat and we, you know, we go down this road of, again, people don't fit in these boxes, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: But,
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[SPEAKER_03]: If we're not aware that we're just approaching it from that standpoint, we're not doing the patients justice.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're missing the boat a lot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's just say that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So for me, it's more of an intuitive thing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I've always been.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I always say the right brain girl in the left brain world.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like I would live that in neurology, geeky, nerdy, but that's who I am.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I've always been a feeler and I could feel energy and I can sense that in my environment before even knew what the words were.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I've just been that way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was born that way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And you know that I'm in medicine and I have all the knowledge, the experience
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[SPEAKER_03]: And again, and again, I would be able to spot the patients, even if they were in the ICU on a ventilator in a coma, I would know by looking at them, even before I even light hands on them, what was going on, just by observation, nobody understood it because they have to go through the checklist and cook, cook, we have to do this, this, this, I'll check all the boxes, but they never
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[SPEAKER_03]: come up with a way to heal people.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I just, I didn't get, you know, opposite.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I would feel and then I would localize on what the differential is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So for me, it was natural.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just did that, you know, naturally.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I combined that in a natural way in my neurology practice.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I saw, again, and again, patients that were, they had symptoms.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And they went to sometimes three, four, five doctors.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And we're really good about checking off the box that a symptom say chest pain.
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[SPEAKER_03]: they go to the cardiologist, they do the work up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's negative.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So then the cardiologist, as you're released, so then the patient goes to their primary care, who sends them to somebody else, to somebody else, dizziness, common thing, it goes to ENT to cardiology.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, what drugs did the previous doctor prescribe?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And what are the side effects of those?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And how does all that compound all day long?
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, then the medicine causes a new side effect in addition to the one that you had, which is worse than what you had to begin with.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, it's all day now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All day we go through that lit name we're like dizziness, headaches, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so you have to back up sometimes and that's what I would do.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, there are 10 medicines by the end of this whole process and they're confused.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They don't know what to do and they're no better, they're worse.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so that's where again, you have to feel
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[SPEAKER_03]: they're what's underlying it because so many times physical symptoms, emotional definitely, but there are a manifestation of something within the body speaks if you listen.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But people are so busy in the mind and they're stressed and they're rushing around.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, the world is crazy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's only, you know, getting busier.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And they don't even know how to
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[SPEAKER_03]: in coerence.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So they have a physical symptom.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They know what they are told to do.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They go to the doctor.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The doctor said, I'm okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: My labs are normal, but they don't heal.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so that leads to a whole other spiral because people then feel invalidated.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then I have people that come to me the
first thing they say is, I'm not crazy when they come in the room.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I already know when somebody says that, they're exhausted.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They've been through the ringer.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They, this is going off for years.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They just are banging for somebody to listen.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And if you just listen or not on the iPad, doing the chart, which, or through the iPad across the rooms of times, because we're not looking at engaging with the patient.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If we actually just listen, they will tell you what's wrong.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I can see it and feel it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that's where that energy and the spirituality comes in.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You have to be open to that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, there's something on...
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's called Phantom and Tango, man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: between the healer and the healer.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And when you have that entanglement, you can begin to synchronize within that field.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's a different type of communication, but it's still, I think it's even more valid.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think we have to educate again and again,
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[SPEAKER_03]: patients now more than ever are looking for answers.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They're looking for help.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They're starting to know that there's something else out there and they're frustrated with their medical care.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So they're looking all, you know, for alternatives.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And we now more than ever have to educate, you know, I said, we, you know, the medical providers and professionals that know this and know how to heal, need to educate the public.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So they know that they can heal.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Sometimes just telling people, you will be okay and, you know, you are powerful and so they have belief and faith that one thing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: changes everything, everything.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Then they disarm and they feel hurt and seen.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And just that alone it makes them more receptive to working, you know, to get to the root cause of it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But if the patients aren't aware in the community doesn't know that this is even a real thing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And the medical providers that they see don't
acknowledge it, it's just this cluster that we're trying to disarm and dissolve at the moment and recalibrate so that we're addressing the whole, you know, the whole person.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, when we talk about someone having a disease or even something like a migraine let's let because that this is your speciality dealing and helping people with migraines, what's the first thing that you assess.
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[SPEAKER_01]: when a patient comes to you and they say that they've had this migraine, they've had migraines since they were young or since a certain time in their lives.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What is it that you do and and how do you help them in a different way than they would otherwise be helped?
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[SPEAKER_03]: So today, have patients presenting with any type of headache?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to ask them about the quality, the frequency severity.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We'll get imaging if indicated, but
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[SPEAKER_03]: majority of time, I ask them what else is going on, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because the headache, they might have a predisposition for headache.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's a neurovascular predisposition in certain patients.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That is true, and there's a hormonal component.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So there are things that in their environment that can trigger it, but there's also other factors in their life that they're not even,
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[SPEAKER_03]: really putting together with the headache.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so, you know, I always dig, what else is different in our life?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Are you going through any changes?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then we go into their environment, their whole life, their work life, what kind of support they have?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And once you start, just with a few questions, so many people aren't sleeping.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They've insomnia, they're stressed, they're in between jobs.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, there's dysfunctional relationships that they don't know how to get out of in the life.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And there's only things that the headache is what brings them in.
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[SPEAKER_03]: and we can treat the migraine with migraine medications and headache medicines all day long.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And it might help, but only to a certain point because we need to get to the root of what else is happening.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So you're not sleeping.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's go along with your sleep.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What are we doing for that?
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, what are the stressors?
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[SPEAKER_03]: What are you doing for yourself?
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[SPEAKER_03]: What are you, you know, setting aside in your day that's your time where you have, you know, time to actually breathe
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[SPEAKER_03]: feel and just be with yourself and a lot of times when you unravel that, that is where you have to dig and really go after that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And again, it's just getting to the root of it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so not just giving a medicine or a pillar of band aid.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Sometimes we'll do that, you know, temporarily as a bridge, but ultimately we want to prevent and it's always tied to something below it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I would maybe think maybe there might be a connection between things like unresolved trauma that lead to chronic stress and then physical symptoms like migraines or even insomnia, is that fair?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely, that one of the leading causes of migraines, migraines and many other physical and emotional symptoms, absolutely trauma and unresolved emotion or suppressed emotion that people don't even know they carry.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because a lot of times our mind or ego, the identity, it wants to keep us safe and protected.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it literally
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[SPEAKER_03]: our own brain blocks us from accessing what's within because it's trying to protect us.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So a lot of times we're not even aware that we've had trauma because we're so disconnected from it at a young age or
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[SPEAKER_03]: a traumatic event in life where you literally separate yourself, your nervous system said fight or fight, I have to literally make this split decision survive or overcome with all the emotion and pain in the moment.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You just connect from it and it suppresses it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So the challenge is accessing that because a lot of people don't know it, it takes some time and not everybody is open to that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: all game because people come in.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They want to quick fix.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, and you don't want to relive your trauma, even if you do know that it's there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's not really living it, but our attachment to it or the story that's attached to it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We don't want to get stuck in a cycle of, you know, the trauma.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's what the body has suppressed along with the trauma.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's more, it's a body response to the actual event.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We don't
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that feeling shows up energetically later in life.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And we have people that chest pressure they get.
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[SPEAKER_03]: After we do all the work up, a lot of times, there's such deep seated pain and unresolved grief and they're carrying it until it's a threshold.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They meet in life when it surfaces.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And the throat, the thyroid or tightness or construction in this area, a lot of times,
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[SPEAKER_03]: people that never spoke their truth, they didn't have a voice so they silenced themselves.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so it manifests a lot of times as this physical tightness in their throat.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And one of the things we do to energetically help release that
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[SPEAKER_03]: is practice expressing vocalizing, singing or just speaking, because we trap it and it's literally energy that's just trapped there like a, you know, one of the chakras, which is tied to your energy is tied to your health.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So all of it is suspected in the way I see it, we have definitely the medical knowledge, which we need that framework, but we also need
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[SPEAKER_03]: the bigger picture, which is the energetic component, the spiritual component, and the mind body soul integration to really understand how we're going to heal.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That is the biggest take home, I think, that if we could do that, that,
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, Eastern cultures and other, you know, societies and civilizations know how to do this and well.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So we can combine a little bit of that with what we have.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what we always say, you know, we would love if Eastern and Western medicine would just hold hands and play nice and be open to, you know, you need diagnostics.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You need emergency medicine, but when you have a chronic issue, that emergency medicine
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[SPEAKER_02]: You can't constantly be on chemical drugs with all these side effects that are creating more imbalance.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're not healing anything you're suppressing it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So how do you get to that?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I'll tell you for me it was meditation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was learning about self-awareness.
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[SPEAKER_02]: it was observing the mind as a single pointed awareness, observing the thoughts and deciding, is this thought conducive to the life that I want to live?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if it's not, when does that thought show up?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because most thoughts are repeating and habitual.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So how do you break that cycle that if you're not even aware of it?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So for me, meditation helps because now my life is a meditation and I'm constantly observing my thoughts and I'm constantly trying to look at things from a bigger picture and decide is this going to be good for me or is this going to not be good for me or even better yet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes I'm like, where the hell did that thought come from?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because it wasn't even mine, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, you know, I don't even know where that came from, but it just came.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, and then having the ability to take what you're seeing in that observation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and shift the angle that you're looking at it so you're seeing it from a new perspective.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not that traumatized little girl anymore.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I can hug that little girl and say, you're safe now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I can be present in this moment and if I feel fear, I can say, okay, I am safe now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I can call in my guides, my guardian angels, archangels, ascended masters, all the beings of life, and I can have them protect me and trust in that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But for people that are out there and they don't have a connection to source, to their higher self, to their guides.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And to me, that's really a lack of faith or a lack of sacredness, you know, how,
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[SPEAKER_02]: How do you tell your clients, you know, hypnosis is a great tool, but how do you tell your your patients or your clients, you know, how, how do you shift the perception?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you give them homework?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, because exactly what you just said is what I also do in my everyday life.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I didn't always do that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I look back.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And looked at the path that led me to this and it was not anything that I could have learned in a textbook or took a course on it was life when I was open to receive it and until I was open.
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[SPEAKER_03]: blind spots.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I had no idea that you don't know what you don't know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So that is tricky because if people have by no fault or their own, we don't see what we don't know is there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We have our blind spots.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So how do you convince or persuade somebody that doesn't
want to see your view
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[SPEAKER_03]: you can try, but then you have to let go.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so by embodying it and living it and just spreading that throughout the world, the message and educating a little by a little one person at a time, they pass it to one another.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And sometimes we don't even know we're doing it, but we do.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so that one little kind gesture or word that you said is somebody in the grocery store,
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[SPEAKER_03]: And it changed their day and then that went to their home.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So we have more impact.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Then we're aware.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The thoughts for.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, we literally talked about this the other day about the interconnectedness and interdependence of people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and how important we all are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I said it to Lisa.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the simplest thing that you're in the grocery store.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When it makes friends with everybody in the grocery store, and it's, I'm always in our ear.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we're always on the phone.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're not only are we best friends, but we're business partners too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's like the side big, but best friends.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I'm in her ear, and she's just having a full on conversation for everybody else and he does.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I watch her.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I watch her make a difference.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's it's a beautiful thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But that's it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's how you make a difference.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And you have a healing energy, too, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: So if people naturally gravitate towards you in that way, there's the feel that your energy is warm and receptive, which
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, you know, light workers, the people that are just light houses, you know, that just embody it people feel it and then they gravitate towards you because, you know, sometimes, you know, if you're busy, you know, rushing and you have these people gravitate towards you, but then realizing they're, you know, they feel you're healing energy just by your presence.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But it's one person at a time that really happens.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And by just embodying it, we have impact.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now more than ever,
I didn't realize I guess I really think about it until this past year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I literally have shifted my life in every aspect by meditating and doing broth work and all these things that brought me back inward and being more aware and pivoting when I'm not in alignment or stopping myself or catching myself more quickly.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When probably a few years ago, it would have been three years later.
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[SPEAKER_03]: realize it now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just I catch myself faster, but it's with this awareness, but you have to be open.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So we can tell people and we can show them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I do.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Some people, especially some of my co-workers, you know, you get to look like, she's woo, woo out there, you know, that kind of thing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but eventually people come around, they circle back, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And there's like, no, what are you doing?
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, what was that?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Where do you go for that?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because it's the defense.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And it's the wall that we put up when we don't know something.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's the nervous system, it constricts.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then we, the ego, puts up that resistance.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So
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[SPEAKER_02]: I like you say people have blinders on also and to the openness is important because really you don't see what you don't see.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the question becomes, what are you looking for?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because if you're not looking for it, you're not going to find it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So which is interesting.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm on another topic, but attention, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: What we are brains and our body, we're so powerful.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We have no idea how powerful we are.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That when we set the clear intention, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Not just the affirmations, but literally focus.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Laser focus.
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[SPEAKER_03]: and meditate on it, and all the things, it's not a question of if it's when you can.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's how our brain is so powerful if you believe you have to believe.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If you don't believe, it's not, it's gonna be blown out of the water.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You have to believe you have faith to have certainty that you can.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then from there, you set your intention and it will happen because you're bringing selectively,
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[SPEAKER_03]: gives attention every day.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So consciously to everything in your environment, it's like it's scanning as you go about your day for things that fit with that intention.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, and it basically, all things that don't align, they fall off.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's why energetically when you start changing and your true purpose and once you hone in on what that is, the old friendships and relationships might fall away
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, the purpose and where you're going, but it's about the attention and what, you know, what we determine as meaningful or important or a value to us is where we shift our attention.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's a question of what
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[SPEAKER_03]: individually means what is the core, you know, definition of what we feel is a value or purpose.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What is our core measure of fulfillment or peace?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that's different for different people.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I think overall as humans, we want to be fully seen and fully heard and accepted as we are.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that alone, if you focus just on that,
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[SPEAKER_03]: even if you don't go there with people from a spiritual place because some people they're not ready for that or they think it's a religion.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Even you remove that from the component of it, if you go into rooms and people of all ages all backgrounds and you approach it from a human standpoint and let them know that they're safe, they're hurt and they're being seen
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[SPEAKER_03]: I've been in rooms where I could literally feel the healing in the room and that wasn't the intended reason that all of us were there, but it happened because there was a safety in the room and when they're safety, we heal.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So going back to the question, you know, what is that measure that we're looking for?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think people just want to know that they can just be seen and they don't have to.
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[SPEAKER_03]: work at the Camillion, as I said, we have so many different versions of ourselves and we don't even know we do it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We just automatically put up that filter and that identity and it's exhausting.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We don't realize it is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And the more we do the inner work, the more
we heal that part of us that intuitively is doing that, we don't realize all the energy we expend throughout the day because
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[SPEAKER_03]: chest on that alone.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's why a lot of people are exhausted and they have chronic fatigue.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Their nervous system is on overdrive and they're tired and they're worn out from performing and running from something that isn't out there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's in here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: In that's where the more we acknowledge and stress the importance of going inward.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's where the healing happens.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I agree with what you said and I think there's another element to it as well and that is the nature of the mind and everything has a nature I mean I observe my dog and my dogs nature every species has a nature the human species is guided by the nature of the mind.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so that's how we think determines how we act and how we feel.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So when you become aware of the games that the mind plays to keep you suffering, then you decide if you're going to play them anymore or not.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Who is driving the mind?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like you're in a vehicle.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Are you driving or is your mind driving?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because
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[SPEAKER_02]: 95% of the time, your mind is driving.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, how can you become more aware of that flow of thoughts so that you can redirect it?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's how you begin to take control over your life and you begin to drive it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And a lot of that is
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[SPEAKER_02]: Realizing you're not a victim, you only decide to be a victim if you continue to think the way that you want to think and it is feeling sorry for yourself or it's blame, resentment, I always say blame resentment and self-pity.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so when you find yourself falling into those categories, then how do you shift gears so that you can redirect and get to the other side?
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[SPEAKER_02]: because there's another side of the coin, that's just one side.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's still another side, and it's a choice, but we're programmed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So sometimes the programs are out of control and they're driving you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I wanna write new programs.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I love it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If no, sister, I literally heard that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You went.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I said, hypnosis is good for that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You can write their programs, you know, retrain the brain in an altered state, which is a very natural state where people get into this very relaxed and receptive state.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not woo woo.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's.
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[SPEAKER_02]: it's like a guided meditation and in most cases people remember everything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In fact, I'll give you an example of hypnosis.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure you're well aware, but we've never had this conversation before.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You ever sit on the couch and you're reading a book?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you're just so enthralled in your book and then you're your kids walk in and they start talking to you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You don't even hear them because you're reading your book.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's hypnosis.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You ever drive your car and you're going to the store and all of a sudden you arrive at the store and you're like.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, how did I get here?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was like you were driving automatically on autopilot, but you were just, you're subconscious was just driving you there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You got there safely, you knew what you were doing, you knew how to drive the car, but there wasn't anybody there because you were in this altered state.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that is hypnosis.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's just a very natural thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not woo, woo.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a natural thing that happens to us.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So what if we put ourselves there intentionally and guide the narrative intentionally to help balance the autonomic nervous system, to help us destress, to help us sleep better at night, maybe even to release some of the trauma that's been caused in the past and build a new way?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, do you use hypnosis in your practice?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I do.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I also, I love breath work.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So breath work, combined with meditation or hypnosis, whatever modality we want to combine with breath work in isolation is powerful.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I wasn't even aware of this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They don't teach us as a med school, but not only can you, and I do
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[SPEAKER_03]: teach people that throughout the day, if you're triggered or you feel that tension, when you're you know, once
you're in a more aware, throughout the day, you could feel it in your shoulders and you feel that tension, breath work, just separate yourself, go in your office, do your breath work sessions and you can literally change your state.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You almost forget what was going on before, you know, why was I in this triggered state again, you're not even
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[SPEAKER_03]: aware kind of like when you're driving the car and you're not thinking about it, we get ramped up and in this autopilot and breath work resets.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I love breath work as a treatment throughout the day that you can, you know, shift your state, but also sessions of breath work.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I love it for trauma with guiding meditations.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It is so powerful because by regulating the breath you're shifting from survival and you're getting that safety with a pair of sympathetic state, but it also again, once you do it and you make it part of your daily routine, you actually are able to access those things within the traumas or the deep seated emotions, even if you don't have.
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[SPEAKER_03]: the real good visual, you feel it in your body.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And it just surfaces and it's attention and that repressed energy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Again, I've personally experienced it, which is why it's so powerful and I would have never believed it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And now I swear by it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it is so powerful and going back home in word to find,
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[SPEAKER_03]: who you were before all the things that happens and find that the little girl or the little boy that's there and giving love and safety through breath work, through meditation, to have no says and allowing that safety in your nervous system and the more you do it, the more you're able to be in that balance state and if you do find yourself because we're human, we will get triggered, we will get
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[SPEAKER_03]: We learn that we have the power within us to shift out of that, that we don't have to stay in that state, and that we don't have to be reactive.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We are in a state of power and we create.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We have to know and believe that we can.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so I love all those modalities, and I recommend them, and I teach them, and I practice them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that's the secret to healing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's inside of you, it's inside of you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You just have to know where to look.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it is a practice.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a daily practice.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a daily practice.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I actually feel if I fall off and I get too busy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know your schedules are probably busy as well.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, when you're a little bit overbooked or you're doing a little too much and you don't give the time for yourself and for the meditations and broth work, I now can catch myself a couple of days and do it where, okay, it's time to just take time and remember, you know, that's how
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[SPEAKER_03]: I reset myself.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that's what brings me back to balance.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And it's just a completely different way of living.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But it is a way of living.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a lifestyle.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And you have to it takes time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But it's after a while.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's like air or water.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You can't move without it because it's so natural.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just want everybody to know that it's, you know, it's real and it's accessible and you don't have to go or do you don't have to buy anything it's it's all within us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's what we do every second of every minute of every hour of every day, you're just paying attention to it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, in a different way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's free.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I will say calm helps though.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to lie.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I know I'm biased because it's my product, but I mean, I was feeling that way earlier today, and I did a nice meditation this morning and I felt great.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then I started my running, you know, running meaning from job from, you know, task to task to task to task to task to try to get everything done because we're traveling tomorrow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And this is just life happening.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I just realized that sensation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, I'm just going to take a job.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Come.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And now, I'm good, now, so it's not that, you know, it's just sometimes you're in your practice and you're good for a while and then sometimes you just, you still have a lot of things that you need to be focused on and get done and sometimes you just need a little help.
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[SPEAKER_02]: but again, it's natural.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But all of these things, you know, Dr. Chelsea, it's all about resetting the nervous system.
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[SPEAKER_01]: At the end of the day, the nervous system, you know, Lisa and I always talk about that we are energetic beings and it's all connected through the nervous system.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you're able to
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[SPEAKER_01]: then everything else is just going to work that much better, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's really what you teach.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And combining the knowledge from medical school and residency and experience with patients, and now the bigger concept of energy, frequency, the interconnectiveness of the world
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[SPEAKER_03]: the light bulb went on and I can see it full the whole picture and it's exciting like I just got chills because it is you know we make it complicated sometimes and the nervous system sometimes is intimidating or remember med school everybody thought you know neurology was for their super nerdy you know super smart ones and I don't know I just like the pathways
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[SPEAKER_03]: but there was a bigger meaning behind it that led me down in the neurology road.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But when you look at it now, it all goes back to a very simple concept that our nervous system is wired for survival and it wants to protect us.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I say if we were a caveman days and there was dinosaur chasing us, it's responsibility is to keep us safe that we could survive.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that's the nervous system, fight or flight.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's what it's or there's danger.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's a threat and the mind or the subconscious programs are there to keep us what's in the safe known and familiar.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So why that might be.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Sometimes keeping you in, you know, alive, it can be counter-productive if you are living from that cortisol-driven, pyroflate sympathetic state in your body and in your mind for a number of health reasons.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But when we retrain the nervous system through safety, because it wants safety,
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[SPEAKER_03]: And we can do that with hypnosis, meditation, breath work, and retrain our nervous system.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That literally changes your life.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Energetically, your health, your relationships, because you become a different human.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And people, they're like, what do you mean?
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[SPEAKER_03]: You don't realize how much that fighter flight energy, it projects outward.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so,
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[SPEAKER_03]: people are energetic being, so if they're not on that wavelength, you're
repelling them, and we magnetize other, fider-flight people.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then we wonder why we're all dysregulated, because we're not in co-regulation anymore.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're all just triggering each other.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's important to challenge yourself, pull yourself out of your environment.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Even when you don't know,
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[SPEAKER_03]: What you're doing or why you're doing it, just know that challenging yourself and getting out of your comfort zone by going to a different.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, grocery store or different route to work every day, just do different things every day, get out of the comfort zone, those little changes are, you know, challenges, you expose yourself to different energy, which is a different person or a different place that then resets you and you don't even know and sparks these little bits of life and you that you didn't know were there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: and it all goes back to the nervous system because if we don't, we say constricted energetically.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When we're in a fight, when we become safe and we realize that we're all connected, we start, instead of looking at, about me, me, me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's not about me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm now looking at the people around me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: How could I serve, how could I pour into them?
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a shift in your consciousness, right with that alone.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But you go outward and want to pour into people, you don't really tell much that heals you when others are healing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's this whole, it's like the ripple effect.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And helping others into your attention off of yourself.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes that's not a bad thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: focus on helping someone else because the result of that on the other side of the coin is it is helping you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, be hit with each other.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This was just a great talk and, you know, we, our podcast is called Code Conscious Conversations and sometimes the conversations really become all about consciousness and this really was one of them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So thank you so much for your time and for spending it with us.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And we appreciate you if you're welcome if anyone wants to learn more about you work at they find you on social media or our website main one is the neurodoc on Instagram and I'm currently in works of developing a few different lines with wellness and regenerative medicine so be on the lookout for that that's coming soon.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's great time in spirituality and mental
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's in the works.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's very exciting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, when your book gets published, you'll have to come back on and we'll talk about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We would love that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much.
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