Full Transcript for The Box Is Open: Hellraiser (1987)

--> 00:03:48.680 Yeah, I was gonna say maybe controversial, but I'm excited 78 00:03:48.719 --> 00:03:50.400 to get into the new one because I actually really 79 00:03:50.400 --> 00:03:52.319 want to rewatch it, because I did like the new 80 00:03:52.319 --> 00:03:56.759 one despite likewise how I was going into it thinking 81 00:03:56.840 --> 00:03:59.360 like they're making Pinhead of female. 82 00:03:59.360 --> 00:04:01.360 But even in I suppose to be the hell. 83 00:04:01.599 --> 00:04:06.080 Heart, he was described he or she was described as 84 00:04:06.120 --> 00:04:09.719 like androgynous and maybe they could be also. 85 00:04:10.919 --> 00:04:15.120 Very weird as well. If they had have followed the 86 00:04:15.240 --> 00:04:19.839 novella like very closely, Pinhead would have had a weird, squeaky, 87 00:04:19.959 --> 00:04:21.920 high pitched voice. Actually he didn't have that. 88 00:04:22.000 --> 00:04:24.800 Like that's what I heard, which is weird, which would 89 00:04:24.839 --> 00:04:29.319 have been imagine he's coming out and he's like, I 90 00:04:29.439 --> 00:04:35.519 will tell your soul apart, what a waste of good suffering? 91 00:04:35.680 --> 00:04:35.839 You know? 92 00:04:37.720 --> 00:04:38.000 For me? 93 00:04:38.240 --> 00:04:41.360 Straight away, I'm like getting some weird like lepro Khannie 94 00:04:41.439 --> 00:04:44.560 vibes where it's like, oh, Ladyigold. 95 00:04:44.000 --> 00:04:46.560 Yeah yeah, oh you can't escape from hell. 96 00:04:48.000 --> 00:04:49.720 Yeah. I don't know if it would have been for me. Now, 97 00:04:49.759 --> 00:04:51.560 I think they kind of nailed it with the voice, 98 00:04:51.560 --> 00:04:54.839 and I kind of like as well. I had read 99 00:04:54.839 --> 00:04:58.519 some stuff that at one point the studio had considered 100 00:04:58.600 --> 00:05:03.839 the idea of completely re dubbing Pinhead, so he wouldn't 101 00:05:03.879 --> 00:05:06.439 have had that kind of weird English accent that obviously 102 00:05:06.439 --> 00:05:09.120 Doug Bradley has because he's English. They wanted to make 103 00:05:09.160 --> 00:05:13.319 it like an American weird accent. Yeah, and I'm like, 104 00:05:13.399 --> 00:05:15.120 I think no, I think he kind of nailed it 105 00:05:15.120 --> 00:05:17.879 because it gives him a weird sort of the accent 106 00:05:17.920 --> 00:05:20.519 doesn't sound English, but it doesn't sound American. You're kind 107 00:05:20.519 --> 00:05:22.639 of like, yeah, okay, that that kind of makes sense 108 00:05:22.680 --> 00:05:25.759 because it doesn't sound like an accent I've heard from anywhere. 109 00:05:26.319 --> 00:05:28.040 Yeah, it's kind of interesting because like I was trying 110 00:05:28.079 --> 00:05:28.879 to practice. 111 00:05:28.560 --> 00:05:31.600 This earlier, such a worst of. 112 00:05:33.839 --> 00:05:34.680 It's pretty close. 113 00:05:34.879 --> 00:05:36.639 That was pretty good. Yeah, that was pretty good. I'll 114 00:05:36.639 --> 00:05:39.079

give you that. Normally I talked shit about when you 115 00:05:39.160 --> 00:05:41.600 use the sound things and I'm like, oh my god, 116 00:05:41.680 --> 00:05:45.160 what is this crap? But that was that was pretty 117 00:05:45.160 --> 00:05:47.720 good because normally you go quite you start to go 118 00:05:47.879 --> 00:05:51.480 like this, I'm like, whoa, we're weird off, Now, how 119 00:05:51.519 --> 00:05:55.160 have we gotten here? And do you know I have 120 00:05:55.240 --> 00:05:58.680 a bit of a I suppose consider around the subject matter. 121 00:05:58.720 --> 00:06:00.319 I have a bit of a some people, I would 122 00:06:00.319 --> 00:06:03.639 call it a fetish for that kind of thing, because 123 00:06:03.639 --> 00:06:06.439 I used to bring it up in every episode, but 124 00:06:06.519 --> 00:06:08.279 I will not bring it up in this episode. But 125 00:06:08.279 --> 00:06:10.399 that's a little easter egg for anyone who's been listening 126 00:06:10.439 --> 00:06:13.240 for a long time. Iron used to bring up something 127 00:06:13.279 --> 00:06:14.560 in every single. 128 00:06:14.279 --> 00:06:17.240 Every strange episode, and I'm like, I can't talk about 129 00:06:17.279 --> 00:06:17.800 this anymore. 130 00:06:17.800 --> 00:06:20.879 It's gonna make me go insane. And then you know, I. 131 00:06:22.360 --> 00:06:25.560 Nearly drove Tom insane because I have to. 132 00:06:25.680 --> 00:06:26.720 I have to deal with things. 133 00:06:26.839 --> 00:06:29.680 But what also has a fetish for to get on 134 00:06:29.720 --> 00:06:33.879 that topic is clearly B D s M. 135 00:06:33.959 --> 00:06:35.439 Yeah, I long to Donnie. 136 00:06:37.879 --> 00:06:41.519 I'm not sure about that. Yikes. 137 00:06:41.639 --> 00:06:45.279 Remember when says that to uh to what's her name? 138 00:06:47.079 --> 00:06:49.279 Yeah, kind of reminds me of like kind of Freddy 139 00:06:49.399 --> 00:06:51.319 Kruegree kind of like it is creepy. 140 00:06:51.319 --> 00:06:54.639 Freddy krue is creepy for that ship, but he's supposed 141 00:06:54.639 --> 00:06:56.680 to be a child killing monster, so it makes sense, 142 00:06:56.720 --> 00:06:58.480 I guess. 143 00:06:58.000 --> 00:07:00.720 And I like, I'm gonna be honest, like even in 144 00:07:00.839 --> 00:07:02.279 this some of that stuff. We'll get into it a 145 00:07:02.319 --> 00:07:05.800 little bit as well. But like, I love the character 146 00:07:05.879 --> 00:07:09.279 of Frank. I didn't realize how much or how cool 147 00:07:09.480 --> 00:07:11.079 he kind of was, and I kind of like his 148 00:07:11.199 --> 00:07:14.439 creepy weird yeah, but in the sense of like he fits. 149 00:07:14.439 --> 00:07:16.560 So I forget. I kind of forgot what the movie 150 00:07:16.600 --> 00:07:18.279 was about. It sounds awful. People are gonna be like, 151 00:07:18.319 --> 00:07:20.480 what are you talking about, but I'm like I sort 152 00:07:20.560 --> 00:07:23.279 of forgot. I was like, Okay, I know the centebites 153 00:07:23.319 --> 00:07:25.240 running in it for probably like ten minutes or less, 154 00:07:25.639 --> 00:07:28.279 and I was like, I can't a really was the 155 00:07:28.319 --> 00:07:30.399 movie just about a room with like a weird body 156 00:07:30.439 --> 00:07:32.240 in it or something or a talking body? And I 157 00:07:32.240 --> 00:07:34.439 was like, I couldn't really remember. And then I forgot, 158 00:07:34.480 --> 00:07:39.800 like how how many like weird creepy lines and interactions 159 00:07:39.800 --> 00:07:42.959 that Frank has with Julia, and then how creepy Julia 160 00:07:43.040 --> 00:07:45.680 becomes as she's like so obsessed with him, And then 161 00:07:46.600 --> 00:07:49.600 the stuff with Larry is so weird the husband and 162 00:07:50.920 --> 00:07:52.560 a lot of good stuff we can. 163 00:07:52.399 --> 00:07:54.680 Get into, I guess, but like when she like she 164 00:07:54.920 --> 00:07:57.879 sleeps with Frank on her like wedding day or whatever, 165 00:07:57.920 --> 00:07:59.879 and she like they have like, yeah, sex on her 166 00:08:00.079 --> 00:08:02.399 like wedding dress, which you can already kind of clue 167 00:08:02.399 --> 00:08:05.319 in that she's she's a crazy bitch, you know, like 168 00:08:05.360 --> 00:08:08.279 if you're and then you get married, still like if 169 00:08:08.319 --> 00:08:11.439 you're doing that in your wedding day to your soon 170 00:08:11.439 --> 00:08:15.079 to be husband's brother, you can already tell there's kind 171 00:08:15.079 --> 00:08:16.959 of some screws loose. And it's almost like you see 172 00:08:16.959 --> 00:08:19.360 this with her character throughout the film, is like she 173 00:08:19.600 --> 00:08:24.040 enjoys that kind of taboo because realistically the whole film 174 00:08:24.279 --> 00:08:27.240 is about her getting bodies for Frank because she finds 175 00:08:27.279 --> 00:08:29.480 him sexy because. 176 00:08:29.279 --> 00:08:32.919 Really essentially like she's she's lost them after him. She's 177 00:08:32.960 --> 00:08:34.799 from want of a better term, obsessed to them too. 178 00:08:34.879 --> 00:08:37.919 Turning it on, she's like she's like his, uh, he's 179 00:08:37.960 --> 00:08:39.799 the Paul Bernardo to her Carla Hamoka. 180 00:08:39.840 --> 00:08:42.720 You know, there's definitely but I think there's a lot 181 00:08:42.759 --> 00:08:44.720 of interest in you know, you could make fun of that, 182 00:08:44.799 --> 00:08:47.360 but there's a lot of interest in like the low 183 00:08:47.440 --> 00:08:49.720 surface level things that we could probably chat about for 184 00:08:49.759 --> 00:08:52.200 a minute when we kind of get into that part. 185 00:08:52.279 --> 00:08:55.879 But just to give I of some housekeeping, most people 186 00:08:55.879 --> 00:08:58.960 will know the movie was written and directed by Clive Barker. 187 00:08:59.159 --> 00:09:01.399 A lot of people will know his name. It's synonymous 188 00:09:01.399 --> 00:09:06.399 with so

many different works, and his movie adaptations have 189 00:09:06.440 --> 00:09:08.519 been very hit or missed. None of them have ever 190 00:09:08.639 --> 00:09:11.399 really like went into the stratosphere, which is kind of 191 00:09:11.440 --> 00:09:14.559 mad considering some of the work that he's He's made. 192 00:09:15.159 --> 00:09:20.039 This movie was his directorial debut, which I thought was 193 00:09:20.440 --> 00:09:23.840 kind of mad, considering that it's now considered a masterpiece, 194 00:09:24.440 --> 00:09:27.440 based on his nineteen eighty six novella The Hell About 195 00:09:27.480 --> 00:09:28.279 hert what you mentioned? 196 00:09:28.320 --> 00:09:32.159 Yeah, and I heard that like that other people were 197 00:09:32.759 --> 00:09:37.200 making adaptations of his books like raw Head Rex, which 198 00:09:37.200 --> 00:09:40.720 I've actually never seen, and there's another movie, really and 199 00:09:40.799 --> 00:09:43.759 there's another movie, and he said he didn't like what 200 00:09:43.919 --> 00:09:44.559 people were. 201 00:09:44.440 --> 00:09:46.159 Doing essentially to his work. 202 00:09:46.440 --> 00:09:46.639 Yep. 203 00:09:47.000 --> 00:09:49.200 So you know, and then that's why he wanted to 204 00:09:49.240 --> 00:09:55.159 do Hal Raiser. It's like, what's his name, Tony, what's spawn? 205 00:09:55.200 --> 00:09:58.840 Why can I think of this? Todd McFarlane, Yeah, not Tony. 206 00:09:59.679 --> 00:10:01.559 You know, him wanting to do, which I think he 207 00:10:01.600 --> 00:10:04.039 should at some point is before he's gone, is do 208 00:10:04.279 --> 00:10:07.080 like a really good spawn what his vision is? Right, 209 00:10:07.200 --> 00:10:09.159 So it's the same kind of idea you see other 210 00:10:09.200 --> 00:10:11.679 people using your art and then maybe putting on a 211 00:10:11.759 --> 00:10:14.480 product that you're not you're not proud of, you know 212 00:10:15.039 --> 00:10:16.159 that you're not like a fan. 213 00:10:16.080 --> 00:10:18.840 And we talked about this one. We've done an episode 214 00:10:18.840 --> 00:10:20.960 if you enjoy this kind of stuff. Me and Tom 215 00:10:21.080 --> 00:10:25.399 done a really good episode about another Clive Barker work, 216 00:10:25.840 --> 00:10:28.039 Midnight Me Train, which I think is a very underrated 217 00:10:29.159 --> 00:10:32.120 story and underrated movie. I would say it's a good 218 00:10:32.159 --> 00:10:34.679 watch if you've ever seen it before. It's interesting, it's unique. 219 00:10:35.080 --> 00:10:36.960 But we've done a really good, like kind of mini 220 00:10:37.039 --> 00:10:38.559 deep dive into that, which I think a lot of 221 00:10:38.600 --> 00:10:44.200 people responded to, and you know, upon researching that. Even 222 00:10:44.279 --> 00:10:46.080 still to this day, I think Clive is a bit 223 00:10:46.159 --> 00:10:48.120 like maybe not so much anymore because he's much older, 224 00:10:48.200 --> 00:10:51.600 but he's always been kind of very critical of like, 225 00:10:51.720 --> 00:10:54.960 oh god, I hate a lot of the movie allotations. 226 00:10:55.000 --> 00:10:58.120 Like we signed a deal, everything sounded great, and then 227 00:10:58.240 --> 00:11:00.240 like I put my name on the dotted line, and 228 00:11:00.360 --> 00:11:02.519 then over the next like two months, when I go 229 00:11:02.679 --> 00:11:04.240 into a meet and it's like, oh, yeah, we've just 230 00:11:04.360 --> 00:11:06.399 changed everything you wanted to do, and now you can't 231 00:11:06.440 --> 00:11:08.919 say anything because you signed paperwork. So it's like your 232 00:11:09.000 --> 00:11:10.279 name is going to be on top of it. So 233 00:11:11.039 --> 00:11:13.720 if for some reason this goes well, you'll sound like 234 00:11:13.759 --> 00:11:16.200 a genius and it just goes terrible. We have a 235 00:11:16.240 --> 00:11:18.080 scapegoat and we'll be like, oh, Clive. 236 00:11:17.919 --> 00:11:21.320 Yeah, that's what I do with Wes Craven. Now, yeah Craven, 237 00:11:21.840 --> 00:11:25.799 same thing, and I'll keep doing people under the stairs. 238 00:11:25.919 --> 00:11:26.480 That's good. 239 00:11:28.399 --> 00:11:30.919 Years and we will have done that. 240 00:11:31.159 --> 00:11:31.360 Yeah. 241 00:11:32.679 --> 00:11:36.480 So yeah. The the basic movie plot, I suppose, revolves 242 00:11:36.519 --> 00:11:40.080 around a mystical puzzle box that summons the Cenobites, a 243 00:11:40.120 --> 00:11:45.279 group of extra dimensional, sadomasochistic beings who cannot differentiate between 244 00:11:45.360 --> 00:11:46.240 pain and pleasure. 245 00:11:46.399 --> 00:11:55.240 Now that's not Cinneambun's Little donuts. Wow, waiting, we're they're talking. 246 00:11:55.559 --> 00:11:58.120 When I was listening to this some YouTube show cover 247 00:11:58.440 --> 00:12:02.320 like just the basic outline of the show, I wasn't there, Joe. 248 00:12:02.360 --> 00:12:04.240 I thought about that joke in my head. I was like, 249 00:12:04.320 --> 00:12:06.440 it sounds like like a Timbit, you know from Tim 250 00:12:06.519 --> 00:12:09.039 Morton's like a cinnabite, but it's like a Cinabun. 251 00:12:09.080 --> 00:12:09.320 Get it. 252 00:12:09.360 --> 00:12:12.559 It's funny, but. 253 00:12:12.639 --> 00:12:14.360 It's funny like a lot of people WI consider that 254 00:12:14.480 --> 00:12:18.159 the story, but then it's not. Really. It's basically about 255 00:12:18.200 --> 00:12:23.039 a couple moves into a house and the husband's brother 256 00:12:23.440 --> 00:12:27.559 is there and he ends up being the wife's former 257 00:12:27.759 --> 00:12:32.200 lover and he's this weird, ugly creature thing. I don't 258 00:12:32.240 --> 00:12:32.919 even know how it takes. 259 00:12:32.919 --> 00:12:36.000 Well well, Larry, Larry girl, Larry boy. 260 00:12:36.759 --> 00:12:39.240 He cuts his hand and then he drops blood onto 261 00:12:39.320 --> 00:12:42.799 the floor, which kind of awakens

Frank and somehow he 262 00:12:42.919 --> 00:12:45.240 obviously like And it's so funny because they don't explain 263 00:12:45.360 --> 00:12:47.159 shit about really what's happening. 264 00:12:47.279 --> 00:12:48.080 It just happens. 265 00:12:48.200 --> 00:12:51.600 And it's like how somehow he finds a loophole in 266 00:12:51.720 --> 00:12:54.320 this hell dimension to be able to escape through like 267 00:12:54.639 --> 00:12:56.279 the blood of the house of where he did it, 268 00:12:56.879 --> 00:12:59.600 and then you know what's your name discovers him. 269 00:12:59.679 --> 00:13:03.799 Right, I'm not gonna lie. I kind of like this 270 00:13:03.919 --> 00:13:06.759 about older movies, where it's just like, yeah, just get like. So, 271 00:13:07.200 --> 00:13:12.960 I write for a magazine called Phantasmagoria Magazine, and they 272 00:13:13.080 --> 00:13:18.000 asked me to cover they're doing a Lovecraft edition, and 273 00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:21.279 they asked me to cover the two thousand and seven 274 00:13:21.360 --> 00:13:23.759 movie The Mist, And then they asked me to cover 275 00:13:23.879 --> 00:13:26.000 a movie that I had never heard about, but it's 276 00:13:26.080 --> 00:13:29.080 only connected to Lovecraft by name. Yeah, and it's a 277 00:13:29.360 --> 00:13:32.759 it's a movie from nineteen ninety two called Cathulhu's Mansion, 278 00:13:33.759 --> 00:13:36.080 and like it's weird. It starts off as like a 279 00:13:36.159 --> 00:13:38.080 crime thriller and then they get to this house and 280 00:13:38.159 --> 00:13:40.000 it becomes a hearted house movie. But it's just like 281 00:13:40.840 --> 00:13:42.919 it made me laugh, like early nineties, and I'm like, 282 00:13:43.679 --> 00:13:47.080 stuff is just happening for no reason. There's just like 283 00:13:47.799 --> 00:13:50.879 ghosts and like zombies and ghouls and all. It's like, 284 00:13:50.960 --> 00:13:53.799 don't ask questions. It's just a scary house with scary 285 00:13:53.879 --> 00:13:56.000 things going on, and we're here for no reason. 286 00:13:56.759 --> 00:13:59.159 Yeah, people gott forget what HP Lovecraft called this? 287 00:13:59.240 --> 00:13:59.399 Cat? 288 00:13:59.639 --> 00:14:03.720 Was this called again? Aaron? Just kidding? I don't you 289 00:14:03.799 --> 00:14:06.840 don't know it. I would love for you to google 290 00:14:06.879 --> 00:14:09.960 this right now. Look up H. P. Lovecraft's cat. 291 00:14:10.279 --> 00:14:16.240 Just foreverything complete, No, no, no, no, just quickly, just 292 00:14:16.279 --> 00:14:17.320 because I think you'll laugh. 293 00:14:17.399 --> 00:14:18.759 You'll you'll be pretty shocked. 294 00:14:19.919 --> 00:14:23.519 Why do I feel like I feel like I know this? 295 00:14:23.960 --> 00:14:27.039 But then I'm like I don't know why? Oh my god, 296 00:14:27.840 --> 00:14:29.480 yes I do remember this. 297 00:14:30.080 --> 00:14:32.440 That's so crazy. It's like, why is his name going? 298 00:14:33.559 --> 00:14:36.840 I think I seen that before and I was like, no, 299 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:40.360 that's obviously not real. That's some sort of a. 300 00:14:42.120 --> 00:14:43.919 We're not gonna say it everybody. You guys could look 301 00:14:43.919 --> 00:14:49.120 it up on your own. HP Lovecraft's cat that's so funny, 302 00:14:49.519 --> 00:14:51.559 so crazy. Didn't remember that. 303 00:14:51.720 --> 00:14:55.840 That's the I thing. I remember completely his books somewhere. 304 00:14:56.000 --> 00:14:58.000 I got to bring all my books back down, uh, 305 00:14:58.120 --> 00:14:59.919 and I want to get into them for the show 306 00:15:00.080 --> 00:15:01.759 and stuff like that, and I just like, haven't got 307 00:15:01.799 --> 00:15:04.080 to them. But that's every time I think of him, 308 00:15:04.080 --> 00:15:05.279 I'm like, what a guy. 309 00:15:05.600 --> 00:15:05.840 I love. 310 00:15:05.919 --> 00:15:08.000 These lads are just mad though. Yeah it's not right, 311 00:15:08.679 --> 00:15:09.159 but it's fine. 312 00:15:09.200 --> 00:15:12.080 When she when she discovers Frank, it is this funny thing. 313 00:15:12.159 --> 00:15:15.399 It's like, it's me baby, It's Frank. You know, he's 314 00:15:15.440 --> 00:15:16.960 just like some decrepit corpse. 315 00:15:20.080 --> 00:15:23.039 Yeah, it's the work so well to get d I 316 00:15:23.600 --> 00:15:26.600 am a creepy as I kind of agree with you. 317 00:15:26.639 --> 00:15:28.600 I just want to say that I feel like when 318 00:15:28.639 --> 00:15:33.159 I I feel like I saw the third one first. 319 00:15:33.399 --> 00:15:35.399 It sounds weird, but just the way like it happened 320 00:15:35.399 --> 00:15:37.720 back of the vhs and stuff, and we I would 321 00:15:37.720 --> 00:15:40.360 always see the covers. That's why I intrigued you. Right 322 00:15:40.399 --> 00:15:42.399 with Pinhead on the front, even though he's not really 323 00:15:42.399 --> 00:15:45.639 in the movie and he's holding the box, but like 324 00:15:45.720 --> 00:15:48.000 I think when I revisited after not seeing it for 325 00:15:48.159 --> 00:15:50.720 a couple of years, I feel like I forgot that 326 00:15:51.120 --> 00:15:54.159 it was like more of I wasn't really focused on 327 00:15:54.720 --> 00:15:57.440 a set of bites and and Pinhead. Really it was 328 00:15:57.559 --> 00:16:01.039 kind of based on Frank and What's your Name? Is 329 00:16:01.080 --> 00:16:05.159 like love romance in a sick, sadistic way, statistic way, 330 00:16:05.200 --> 00:16:09.639 almost like the form of hedonism, right, because the setting 331 00:16:09.759 --> 00:16:13.440 is like Frank opens to him in Morocco and then 332 00:16:13.600 --> 00:16:16.000 for some reason there's an Asian guy there and it 333 00:16:16.159 --> 00:16:18.240 just kind of doesn't make sense a little bit, and 334 00:16:18.360 --> 00:16:20.279 then he does like the box thing, and it's almost 335 00:16:20.399 --> 00:16:25.000 like he has he's been he doesn't like

he's done 336 00:16:25.039 --> 00:16:28.879 everything of the carnal flesh. And because he's a hedonist, 337 00:16:28.919 --> 00:16:30.919 it's that's what they kind of portrayed as is that 338 00:16:31.039 --> 00:16:34.159 he was looking for a bigger thrill. This guy's like 339 00:16:34.200 --> 00:16:36.120 if you open this box, and. 340 00:16:36.200 --> 00:16:38.360 I think that's a really interesting thing that you brought 341 00:16:38.440 --> 00:16:39.759 up there. And I think it's some of the parts 342 00:16:39.799 --> 00:16:41.440 that get glossed over, Like a lot of people talk 343 00:16:41.480 --> 00:16:44.360 about hell Raiser and it's like, oh yeah, cool Pinhead 344 00:16:44.440 --> 00:16:47.000 and cool one liners where he comes out and he's like, hello, 345 00:16:47.240 --> 00:16:50.639 I'm Pinhead. It's all spooky and atmospheric, but like there 346 00:16:50.720 --> 00:16:54.879 is actually a pretty good like themes and like things 347 00:16:54.960 --> 00:16:57.519 that Clive Barker I think, really wanted to get across 348 00:16:57.639 --> 00:17:00.799 that maybe like obviously when there, so we have a 349 00:17:00.840 --> 00:17:04.400 pretty kick ass looking mascot here. Let's just worry about 350 00:17:04.480 --> 00:17:06.240 him and not give a shit about the story. Really 351 00:17:06.319 --> 00:17:09.160 just be like what situations can we put Pinhead in 352 00:17:09.200 --> 00:17:11.240 that He's gonna look cool walking through a fog and 353 00:17:11.319 --> 00:17:12.559 being like, hello, it's me again. 354 00:17:12.640 --> 00:17:14.079 What do I do with the other ones? 355 00:17:14.160 --> 00:17:14.319 Right? 356 00:17:14.720 --> 00:17:15.680 And look doing wrong? 357 00:17:15.799 --> 00:17:15.920 Right? 358 00:17:16.079 --> 00:17:18.400 I still find that super cool. There's sections of all 359 00:17:18.440 --> 00:17:20.839 the movies where I'm like, oh, that's so bad ass looking. 360 00:17:20.960 --> 00:17:22.599 I don't know if it's like in the fourth one 361 00:17:22.720 --> 00:17:26.839 or whatever. I can't remember. He's no, he's on the 362 00:17:26.920 --> 00:17:31.160 altar and the hands out and like all the background 363 00:17:31.279 --> 00:17:33.400 shatters and he's like I am the way and he 364 00:17:33.519 --> 00:17:35.599 like turns his head and like there's all fire going off, 365 00:17:35.640 --> 00:17:37.720 and like that shit's so cool and like conic to me. 366 00:17:37.839 --> 00:17:41.200 But they got away kind of from what Clive imagined, 367 00:17:41.240 --> 00:17:44.000 and it's like that it's like you were saying, you know, 368 00:17:44.079 --> 00:17:46.720 you've got a guy here who has in his mind 369 00:17:47.160 --> 00:17:49.759 been like what, Okay, I've experienced pretty much everything there 370 00:17:49.839 --> 00:17:53.400 is of this art, so like I need something more now, 371 00:17:53.599 --> 00:18:00.440 I need like another thing. Yeah, And like his idea 372 00:18:00.599 --> 00:18:02.640 with

the centibites was the same thing where it's like 373 00:18:02.920 --> 00:18:07.000 they've they're these things that we don't really know very 374 00:18:07.079 --> 00:18:10.079 much about what the intention was to be. Like these 375 00:18:10.119 --> 00:18:12.519 are people that are trapped in a place where like 376 00:18:12.680 --> 00:18:15.880 it's like pleasure and pain. It's all the lines are 377 00:18:15.960 --> 00:18:19.200 blurred and it's like how much is enoughten, what's too much? 378 00:18:19.319 --> 00:18:23.119 And it's kind of creepy if you think about it, 379 00:18:23.240 --> 00:18:26.000 because like for all, like this is kind of in 380 00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:28.839 this strange brew realm. But like for all we know 381 00:18:29.000 --> 00:18:32.519 there is some sort of dimension that could exist, like 382 00:18:32.640 --> 00:18:36.240 that they're proven to quantum physics, even that could be 383 00:18:36.319 --> 00:18:38.960 kind of pseudoscience to some extent, is that there is 384 00:18:39.440 --> 00:18:42.160 in different dimensions corresponding with Earth and stuff like that. 385 00:18:42.559 --> 00:18:45.039 So I matine there is some place, like you know, 386 00:18:45.279 --> 00:18:48.200 the hellscape wherever he comes from, because it's this idea 387 00:18:48.319 --> 00:18:51.480 that I think most of them may be just forsaken 388 00:18:51.599 --> 00:18:54.200 souls so to speak, that God involved things in this 389 00:18:54.359 --> 00:18:57.680 life and then they mold them into one thing where 390 00:18:57.720 --> 00:19:00.799 you can't really tell what it is with the scent 391 00:19:00.880 --> 00:19:05.000 of buns or whatever. Right, just kidding, because even I know, 392 00:19:05.240 --> 00:19:07.480 you know what I found it was interesting. His name 393 00:19:07.559 --> 00:19:11.319 Marie is the her name this psycho stepmom. 394 00:19:13.279 --> 00:19:16.759 Julia Julia, what I think your name is? Marie Julia. 395 00:19:17.640 --> 00:19:20.720 There there's even talks that they might carry on the 396 00:19:20.759 --> 00:19:23.480 story with her and have like a villain. But I 397 00:19:23.599 --> 00:19:26.480 think that you know, once they yeah, once they yeah, 398 00:19:26.519 --> 00:19:30.279 that's his creepy and he's just a skeleton man. 399 00:19:30.720 --> 00:19:33.799 It's very I really enjoyed it upon rewatching again, I've 400 00:19:33.880 --> 00:19:36.680 kind of forgotten this because much like you, I think, 401 00:19:36.720 --> 00:19:37.960 and I don't want to get too much into it 402 00:19:38.039 --> 00:19:40.160 because we'll obviously talk about it on that episode. But 403 00:19:40.240 --> 00:19:42.480 I think number three was probably the first one I 404 00:19:42.559 --> 00:19:43.000 ever saw. 405 00:19:43.400 --> 00:19:45.960 That one was kind of dirty too, like more like perverted. 406 00:19:46.000 --> 00:19:49.519 I'm not gonna lie, dude, I love that movie. I 407 00:19:49.599 --> 00:19:50.880 don't know, I don't want to talk about it now, 408 00:19:50.960 --> 00:19:52.279 book Like I have a lot, I have a lot 409 00:19:52.319 --> 00:19:54.480 of time for that movie. And I think I saw 410 00:19:54.559 --> 00:19:55.640 that one first. 411 00:19:55.799 --> 00:19:57.720 And then it becomes a memory where it's like a 412 00:19:57.759 --> 00:20:00.359 foot over your head. But like when I I think 413 00:20:00.440 --> 00:20:02.240 that's why. And then when I've seen the third one, 414 00:20:02.279 --> 00:20:05.000 then I went back and like watched the first two 415 00:20:05.160 --> 00:20:08.640 or something like that, and uh, it's just a different story. 416 00:20:08.880 --> 00:20:09.359 And I. 417 00:20:11.039 --> 00:20:13.079 As a horror fan, like you could show a lot. 418 00:20:13.000 --> 00:20:15.000 Of people this film and they would find it, I 419 00:20:15.119 --> 00:20:17.400 think compelling and interesting as long as they're okay with 420 00:20:17.480 --> 00:20:21.240 little Gore. But the story itself of the original is 421 00:20:21.599 --> 00:20:23.960 I think quite compelling in the way that they told it. Yeah, 422 00:20:23.960 --> 00:20:26.720 there's like they leave things out. It's up to your imagination. 423 00:20:26.920 --> 00:20:30.480 But this idea that these demonic creatures from like a 424 00:20:30.599 --> 00:20:34.640 different dimension will if you push yourself too far in 425 00:20:34.720 --> 00:20:38.559 the physical world with hedonism and sindumascism and and different 426 00:20:38.920 --> 00:20:41.519 ideas of that of pleasures of the flesh, that these 427 00:20:41.599 --> 00:20:43.880 things will come turn you into them. 428 00:20:44.039 --> 00:20:47.279 Essentially, it's like it is is so weird. Like she's 429 00:20:47.319 --> 00:20:48.839 got like a vagina on her neck. 430 00:20:50.440 --> 00:20:53.599 Yeah, and he's only ever I think referenced as the 431 00:20:53.720 --> 00:20:56.119 female centebite, but like they made up all sorts of 432 00:20:56.240 --> 00:20:56.799 nicknames for. 433 00:20:56.880 --> 00:21:01.960 Them vagina neck and then like yeah, there's actually stomic 434 00:21:02.079 --> 00:21:02.880 look at the other guy. 435 00:21:04.440 --> 00:21:06.400 What was it they called the fact I. 436 00:21:06.559 --> 00:21:09.079 Use the world, But I don't know. I don't know 437 00:21:09.119 --> 00:21:11.759 if we can. I don't know how bad I'll get 438 00:21:11.839 --> 00:21:15.319 from absolutely everything, but see u NT that's what they 439 00:21:15.400 --> 00:21:20.039 call their cunt neck or troat or something like that, 440 00:21:20.200 --> 00:21:22.079 and then they call her Deep. They call her Deep 441 00:21:22.119 --> 00:21:25.359 trot at one point, and I think someone said to Clive, like, 442 00:21:25.359 --> 00:21:26.839 why don't we give her that name? And he was like, 443 00:21:27.000 --> 00:21:29.640 I don't think the studio to put up the money 444 00:21:29.920 --> 00:21:32.640 are going to be happy

with calling a character that, 445 00:21:33.079 --> 00:21:35.799 So we're probably, well, I'm trying to push it as 446 00:21:35.799 --> 00:21:37.920 far as I can, but they're really pushing back already, 447 00:21:38.000 --> 00:21:41.839 like we've got some creepy bd s M, like goofy 448 00:21:41.960 --> 00:21:44.680 looking creatures. Not already. I don't know how far we 449 00:21:44.759 --> 00:21:45.920 can actually push. 450 00:21:45.839 --> 00:21:51.599 This even butter Ball or whatever, he's like, he's got 451 00:21:51.640 --> 00:21:53.319 like a weird vagina in the stamic. 452 00:21:54.880 --> 00:21:55.119 It is. 453 00:21:55.279 --> 00:21:57.240 It is weird, like and I wonder if you have 454 00:21:57.319 --> 00:21:59.519 some of the stuff of how they got the costume ideas, 455 00:21:59.559 --> 00:22:02.759 because it is, like it is so obviously from BDSM, 456 00:22:02.880 --> 00:22:06.519 but it's it's pretty strange, like some of the ways 457 00:22:06.559 --> 00:22:08.480 they look at I think that's why most people like that. 458 00:22:08.559 --> 00:22:10.599 Horror fans like, oh, well, you know, especially in the 459 00:22:11.000 --> 00:22:12.359 eighties nineties, like what is this? 460 00:22:13.000 --> 00:22:17.920 Yeah, one hundred percent. You were mentioning there about what 461 00:22:18.119 --> 00:22:20.519 you had said something about, oh yeah, about him being 462 00:22:20.559 --> 00:22:23.960 disappointed with other people, you know, adapting his work and 463 00:22:24.039 --> 00:22:26.640 stuff like that, and I was just reading up some more. 464 00:22:26.720 --> 00:22:29.480 So he got in contact with a producer called Christopher 465 00:22:29.599 --> 00:22:32.400 fig and basically he was like, look, I can help 466 00:22:32.440 --> 00:22:33.960 you do this. It's going to be your first time. 467 00:22:34.079 --> 00:22:35.680 And they had to sit down and figure out, Okay, 468 00:22:36.440 --> 00:22:38.559 how are we going to convince anybody to let you 469 00:22:39.039 --> 00:22:42.599 who has only done two short films direct a movie 470 00:22:42.799 --> 00:22:46.799 like this. So basically the kind of parameters were it 471 00:22:46.839 --> 00:22:48.720 would have to be made for under a million dollars, 472 00:22:48.960 --> 00:22:52.759 and it would have to be shot probably in one location. 473 00:22:53.079 --> 00:22:55.000 It's probably all you're going to get away with. You're 474 00:22:55.039 --> 00:22:58.599 not going to be able to use, you know, multiple 475 00:22:58.640 --> 00:23:01.400 different locations and have a big, huge budget. You're going 476 00:23:01.480 --> 00:23:03.759 to have to keep it quite low budget, which is 477 00:23:03.799 --> 00:23:05.640 why you kind of ended up in the one house. 478 00:23:05.799 --> 00:23:08.319 And it's centered around three or four characters. Do you 479 00:23:08.359 --> 00:23:10.599 want to know what the working title was? And at 480 00:23:10.640 --> 00:23:14.799 one point I think they even maybe suggested to New 481 00:23:14.880 --> 00:23:16.319 World Pictures of Calling at. 482 00:23:16.240 --> 00:23:19.079 This Originally I thought they wanted to do hell Bound 483 00:23:19.160 --> 00:23:22.000 Heart and then they say that it sounded like so Clyte. 484 00:23:22.039 --> 00:23:26.519 Yeah, Clive wanted that. They were like, sounds too much 485 00:23:26.599 --> 00:23:28.480 like a romance, and then he wanted to call it 486 00:23:28.960 --> 00:23:32.599 hell bound or hell something, and they were like, not 487 00:23:32.880 --> 00:23:36.359 sounds too negative. Actually shed this. 488 00:23:36.480 --> 00:23:39.039 I have you guys like horror hip hop. Check out 489 00:23:39.079 --> 00:23:42.119 mister Hyde's hell Bound song. It's pretty sick. But he 490 00:23:42.200 --> 00:23:44.200 got inspiration through Pinhead and stuff like that. 491 00:23:45.160 --> 00:23:47.319 I think it was the producer who was like, why 492 00:23:47.319 --> 00:23:49.240 don't we try hell the resor But before that it 493 00:23:49.519 --> 00:23:52.119 actually so they shot the movie under a working title. 494 00:23:52.319 --> 00:23:54.160 I think at one point they were trying to entertain 495 00:23:54.200 --> 00:23:56.799 the idea of actually calling that this which would have 496 00:23:56.839 --> 00:24:02.119 been this is absolutely ridiculous Sado Masochists from beyond the Grave. 497 00:24:03.160 --> 00:24:04.720 That's going to be one of those ones that are 498 00:24:04.759 --> 00:24:06.920 shelved and put like an Italian. 499 00:24:07.319 --> 00:24:09.279 Yeah, that's what that sounds like to me, where it's yeah, 500 00:24:09.279 --> 00:24:13.000 it was one of those like zombie returns from Zombie 501 00:24:13.039 --> 00:24:15.680 House Island on Cuthulhu Land or whatever, and you're like, 502 00:24:15.960 --> 00:24:18.839 that's not going to be anything ever, of like it 503 00:24:18.960 --> 00:24:20.880 might end up having a cult following, but it's never 504 00:24:21.000 --> 00:24:23.640 going to be something like this. Now here's a kind 505 00:24:23.720 --> 00:24:27.079 of a a fun one, but a little fact that 506 00:24:27.200 --> 00:24:32.200 it was banned in Ontario due to its brutal graphic 507 00:24:32.400 --> 00:24:37.240 violence with blood letting throughout, horror, degradation, and torture. 508 00:24:37.440 --> 00:24:39.920 Weird. Really, that's crazy, very. 509 00:24:39.839 --> 00:24:42.839 Random, right, Yeah, that's weird, very random. Yeah, that it 510 00:24:42.920 --> 00:24:45.000 was banned has. 511 00:24:44.920 --> 00:24:47.160 Become a communistic so it doesn't surprise me right now. 512 00:24:48.359 --> 00:24:50.160 But I mean you would think back in what eighty 513 00:24:50.319 --> 00:24:51.039 seven were a. 514 00:24:51.000 --> 00:24:51.519 Little bit more. 515 00:24:52.279 --> 00:24:54.519 It's only in Ontario. It's like I would have the 516 00:24:54.559 --> 00:24:55.200 dragical bed. 517 00:24:55.279 --> 00:24:55.480 Yeah.

518 00:24:56.440 --> 00:24:59.920 Very bizarre, isn't it. It's just in this location. It's bired. 519 00:25:00.759 --> 00:25:02.640 Apparently the film boards at and they were like new 520 00:25:03.480 --> 00:25:06.079 not for us, and they even suggested, they're like, okay 521 00:25:06.119 --> 00:25:07.799 if we cut some of the stuff out, and they're like, now, 522 00:25:08.599 --> 00:25:11.720 weird matter. We don't want this. It's too creepy and 523 00:25:11.799 --> 00:25:14.319 weird and it's too gory, too many like guts and 524 00:25:14.400 --> 00:25:18.720 creepy stuff. There's been lots of different I was looking 525 00:25:18.799 --> 00:25:20.359 up some of the like physical media and all some 526 00:25:20.440 --> 00:25:23.240 people like hearing about that. I didn't know any of 527 00:25:23.319 --> 00:25:28.359 this stuff before. I looked it up, but so supposedly 528 00:25:28.599 --> 00:25:32.440 there's been three different releases by Anchor Bay. There's a 529 00:25:32.559 --> 00:25:35.839 ninety three minute version. The original DVD was bare bones 530 00:25:36.039 --> 00:25:39.480 and is now completely out of print. Released in two 531 00:25:39.599 --> 00:25:42.240 thousand with a five point one audio miics and packaged 532 00:25:42.279 --> 00:25:45.480 with Part two in a special tin case. It had 533 00:25:45.480 --> 00:25:48.759 a theatrical poster for both movies and a forty eight 534 00:25:48.839 --> 00:25:51.519 page color booklet, which is extremely rare. 535 00:25:51.599 --> 00:25:51.720 Now. 536 00:25:52.640 --> 00:25:54.920 Arrow films were released several different things. There was like 537 00:25:55.000 --> 00:25:57.680 the Scarlet Box, which was one, two, and three. It 538 00:25:57.799 --> 00:26:01.519 had two case scans, multiple documentary bonus features. That's also 539 00:26:01.720 --> 00:26:03.880 now the print, and then they replaced that with a 540 00:26:03.960 --> 00:26:08.359 three disc version. It was missing the bonus disc And 541 00:26:08.799 --> 00:26:10.839 I thought this was quite unique and I actually didn't 542 00:26:10.839 --> 00:26:12.640 get any I probably should have tried to get pictures 543 00:26:12.680 --> 00:26:14.279 and I'm not arson now trying to google this. But 544 00:26:14.960 --> 00:26:18.880 for the Thardie anniversary, Barker adapted his early Hell Priest 545 00:26:19.000 --> 00:26:22.960 designs into a mask for a company called Composite Effects. 546 00:26:23.559 --> 00:26:27.000 Only thirty were ever made and they're extremely rare. 547 00:26:27.440 --> 00:26:28.160 That's kind of cool. 548 00:26:29.440 --> 00:26:31.720 I know that'll be something like, really, did you find 549 00:26:31.759 --> 00:26:32.519 an image of them? 550 00:26:32.599 --> 00:26:32.839 Or now? 551 00:26:33.720 --> 00:26:33.759 No? 552 00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:36.039 But let me as we're talking, I probably should have. 553 00:26:36.599 --> 00:26:38.519 But yeah, like I always love when I hear like 554 00:26:38.559 --> 00:26:40.200 little unique things like that. I kind of you kind 555 00:26:40.200 --> 00:26:43.200 of wonder whose hands they fall into something like that. 556 00:26:44.079 --> 00:26:48.559 Some nerd but like whoall just kidding? 557 00:26:48.680 --> 00:26:52.359 Rather, it's but like on eBay, right, and stuff like that, 558 00:26:52.680 --> 00:26:55.119 Like I've found some weird shit out of eBay, bro, 559 00:26:55.720 --> 00:26:58.359 And it's sometimes people part with that stuff, right, and 560 00:26:58.400 --> 00:27:00.480 then sometimes it's really expensive, like there's the books I 561 00:27:00.559 --> 00:27:03.559 want that may be right, and it's like six hundred dollars. 562 00:27:04.720 --> 00:27:08.440 Well, this mask was one thousand, seven hundred and seventy five. 563 00:27:10.440 --> 00:27:12.079 You're gonna bring it up show? 564 00:27:13.160 --> 00:27:17.440 Yes, I don't think it looks that amazing. Whoa, so 565 00:27:17.559 --> 00:27:19.240 that was the original? What he looked like? 566 00:27:20.599 --> 00:27:20.920 Weird? 567 00:27:21.119 --> 00:27:25.599 Supposedly? Yeah, they love that thing with the neck, right, No. 568 00:27:25.720 --> 00:27:28.559 It is really weird. Why is it so much money? 569 00:27:29.720 --> 00:27:33.200 Let's see. To celebrate the thirty anniversary of the Horror Legend, 570 00:27:33.319 --> 00:27:35.880 Composite Effects As teamed up with CLIVEE. Barker to designed 571 00:27:35.920 --> 00:27:39.160 this limited run collectible treasure based on his original Hell 572 00:27:39.240 --> 00:27:42.519 Priest design sketches. Comes with a number of certificate of 573 00:27:42.559 --> 00:27:45.240 authenticity signed by Clive Barker and a piece of the 574 00:27:45.400 --> 00:27:50.400 mold thirty pieces example of the serialized. 575 00:27:49.759 --> 00:27:53.079 Mole shared that is weird expensive. 576 00:27:53.240 --> 00:27:55.440 I mean, look, maybe if you were really really into 577 00:27:55.480 --> 00:27:58.880 Clive Barker stuff. I know a lot of people. I 578 00:27:58.960 --> 00:28:01.759 know a lot of people collect his his art. He 579 00:28:01.839 --> 00:28:05.119 does an awful lot of creepy and weird pictures and 580 00:28:05.319 --> 00:28:06.720 paintings and things like that. 581 00:28:07.799 --> 00:28:10.160 It kind of looks like a bodybuilder pinhead, you know, 582 00:28:10.319 --> 00:28:11.079 it looks like Germany. 583 00:28:11.079 --> 00:28:13.440 It's weird. Yeah, he has like a big like square head, 584 00:28:13.480 --> 00:28:16.039 like he's on steroids or something weird, which is kind 585 00:28:16.039 --> 00:28:16.839 of bizarre and weird. 586 00:28:16.920 --> 00:28:18.680 Look, did you is there any like covers from like 587 00:28:18.799 --> 00:28:20.920 Japan and weird? Could you find that stuff? 588 00:28:21.000 --> 00:28:23.160 Or there is some of that stuff? But they all 589 00:28:23.200 --> 00:28:25.759 look quite similar, Like I found that one I had 590 00:28:25.880 -->

00:28:26.480 up on screen. 591 00:28:26.559 --> 00:28:29.640 What's that thing just in the background that snake thing? 592 00:28:31.200 --> 00:28:35.039 Which snake thing like in the background of the Is 593 00:28:35.119 --> 00:28:37.640 that not supposed to be that? Uh? 594 00:28:38.279 --> 00:28:39.759 Do they call it the engineer? 595 00:28:39.880 --> 00:28:40.079 Yeah? 596 00:28:40.200 --> 00:28:41.839 The engineer, that's what it's called. 597 00:28:42.640 --> 00:28:43.799 Is that what it's supposed to be. 598 00:28:45.799 --> 00:28:45.920 There? 599 00:28:46.039 --> 00:28:47.960 Look, there's a lot of cool and I couldn't the 600 00:28:48.039 --> 00:28:51.519 problem was right, I couldn't differentiate between which ones were 601 00:28:51.599 --> 00:28:53.200 fan made and which ones like. 602 00:28:54.559 --> 00:28:56.880 A Star Wars poster essentially. 603 00:28:57.000 --> 00:28:58.599 And like there's a lot of them, and that's why 604 00:28:58.680 --> 00:29:00.720 I didn't bring them all up, because I'm like, I 605 00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:03.720 don't know somebody's gonna be made five minutes ago, and 606 00:29:03.759 --> 00:29:04.480 I have no idea. 607 00:29:04.680 --> 00:29:04.880 I know. 608 00:29:07.319 --> 00:29:11.680 He is such an iconic look though, such a cool character. 609 00:29:11.880 --> 00:29:13.960 Like they really struck gold, I think. And that's the 610 00:29:14.039 --> 00:29:17.200 problem in one way where I don't think Clive was angry, 611 00:29:17.279 --> 00:29:19.359 but he was like, we went so far away from 612 00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:22.319 caring about like what I might have thought about the story, 613 00:29:23.200 --> 00:29:26.440 and they were just like, you do know that character 614 00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:28.200 of Pinhead? You know that guy? You weren't really that 615 00:29:28.480 --> 00:29:32.759 pushed with. He's tracking extremely well with audiences, So can 616 00:29:32.839 --> 00:29:34.640 we just make a bunch of movies about him and 617 00:29:34.839 --> 00:29:36.680 just not care about what you're talking about anymore? 618 00:29:37.319 --> 00:29:37.480 I know? 619 00:29:38.119 --> 00:29:41.720 And I think that's why, like he I think he 620 00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:43.759 ended up he signed away the rights. Yeah he did. 621 00:29:43.960 --> 00:29:47.599 He signed away the rights to to Pinhead and hell 622 00:29:47.680 --> 00:29:52.640 Reservanal before this movie even came out. That's great because 623 00:29:52.680 --> 00:29:54.160 he I think he assumed he was like, I'm a 624 00:29:54.200 --> 00:29:57.839 first time director, Chances are this is probably not gonna 625 00:29:57.920 --> 00:30:00.559 go extremely far and I'm just gonna to be whatever. 626 00:30:01.200 --> 00:30:03.160 And they, you know, they kept him in. I don't 627 00:30:03.200 --> 00:30:05.039 know what way it worked, but like he was kept 628 00:30:05.079 --> 00:30:08.519 in the loop to a degree. But like technically speaking, 629 00:30:08.559 --> 00:30:10.160 I don't know if he had a massive amount of 630 00:30:10.240 --> 00:30:15.480 say in what was going on after the first one. 631 00:30:15.519 --> 00:30:17.279 Of course, that's what they do with all of them, right. 632 00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:19.480 Yeah, and then like you had like a lot of 633 00:30:19.519 --> 00:30:22.119 his friends from college and stuff, like Nicholas Vince who 634 00:30:22.160 --> 00:30:26.079 I've had on the show. He played Chatterer, the obviously 635 00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:29.400 the one with the teeth that's chattering a couple of time. 636 00:30:30.640 --> 00:30:33.680 Simon Banford, who plays Butterball. He's actually a really small guy. 637 00:30:33.759 --> 00:30:36.240 He's not overweighted at all and he's tiny. Who plays 638 00:30:36.279 --> 00:30:38.279 the fat one. I've actually had him on the show 639 00:30:38.279 --> 00:30:41.799 as well. Another super nice guy. And the ever elusive 640 00:30:41.920 --> 00:30:45.160 one that I it's a grail interview for me is 641 00:30:45.240 --> 00:30:50.200 Doug Bradley. Please God, our Satan or whoever is in 642 00:30:50.400 --> 00:30:53.440 charge of that, please get me the interview with Doug Bradley. 643 00:30:54.160 --> 00:30:58.519 Oh my god, please. But yeah, I thought that was 644 00:30:58.599 --> 00:31:00.559 kind of cool that he like brought all his friends. 645 00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:01.319 Yeah, it's cool. 646 00:31:01.319 --> 00:31:02.799 It must have been kind of cool. It must be. 647 00:31:03.079 --> 00:31:05.720 I wonder you do those people now imagine me, and 648 00:31:05.799 --> 00:31:07.880 you'd done some cool shit like that, right and created 649 00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:11.079 something that was like super like popular and like in 650 00:31:11.240 --> 00:31:14.680 the zeitgeist. I wonder, like when you're like seventy, if 651 00:31:14.720 --> 00:31:16.160 you do get a chance to meet up at a 652 00:31:16.200 --> 00:31:18.640 convention when you're signing, do they just sit around a 653 00:31:18.680 --> 00:31:20.839 beer and go It's not funding crazy how all this 654 00:31:20.960 --> 00:31:21.359 worked out? 655 00:31:21.599 --> 00:31:23.480 I know it is. It is kind of wild because 656 00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:26.839 even Doug Bradley, he wanted to play one of the 657 00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:29.720 moving guys because he wanted his face on camera. 658 00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:30.240 Yep. 659 00:31:31.559 --> 00:31:34.000 Yeah, And like imagine he was taught. I listened to 660 00:31:34.039 --> 00:31:35.720 him talk about this and he was like, imagine just 661 00:31:35.799 --> 00:31:38.359 that one little troll away conversation. If I had a 662 00:31:38.480 --> 00:31:41.720 said I want to do that instead, they would have 663 00:31:41.880 --> 00:31:45.160 changed of my entire life. 664 00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:47.319 I know, you would no longer be Pinhead. You'd just 665 00:31:47.359 --> 00:31:48.599 be that guy moving furniture. 666

00:31:49.319 --> 00:31:51.519 Yeah, you're the guy helping lift the mattress or something 667 00:31:51.599 --> 00:31:56.359 upstairs or whatever it is, and you wouldn't be him. Yeah, 668 00:31:56.400 --> 00:31:58.640 that's so crazy, Like how wild? 669 00:31:58.759 --> 00:31:58.920 Though? 670 00:32:02.160 --> 00:32:04.920 I have to just stick that in there. That's like good, 671 00:32:04.960 --> 00:32:06.720 that's good. That can be like a little East Egg 672 00:32:06.839 --> 00:32:11.279 for like fans that it can be like find the Billy. Yeah, 673 00:32:11.279 --> 00:32:13.680 I would somewhere. It'll be hidden somewhere in the episode. 674 00:32:13.720 --> 00:32:15.759 If you can find it, you get Tom Wilsons your 675 00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:16.519 free T shirt. 676 00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:19.519 It's so funny because like like a lot of these 677 00:32:19.599 --> 00:32:26.160 like things like Pinhead, you know, Michael Myers and these 678 00:32:26.200 --> 00:32:29.200 staples of like Slasher Horror. It's so funny because always 679 00:32:29.240 --> 00:32:31.759 like put out, like the shitty masks, and I always remember, 680 00:32:31.880 --> 00:32:34.519 like I remember ka when a really crappy Freddy cougar mask. 681 00:32:34.559 --> 00:32:36.799 But it's like nineties where like this stuff was more 682 00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:39.880 I think available. We're like, well now it's you have 683 00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:42.720 things like of course Expirit of Halloween, and they're better quality. 684 00:32:42.839 --> 00:32:44.839 But I sorry, I feel like I remember some kid 685 00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:48.160 and in the nineties wearing some really crappy Pinhead mask. 686 00:32:48.720 --> 00:32:50.079 You know you never see that anymore. 687 00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:55.839 Yeah, Yeah, that's always one of She's very hard for 688 00:32:55.920 --> 00:32:58.279 them to pull off as well. You know another thing 689 00:32:58.799 --> 00:33:02.839 that is that one is one of the Yeah is 690 00:33:02.880 --> 00:33:04.559 it one of the butt No, it's one of the 691 00:33:04.640 --> 00:33:07.200 bodies or something that they sucked out or something like that. 692 00:33:07.480 --> 00:33:10.720 I can't remember. Exactly whereabouts in the movie it's from. 693 00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:15.440 But it was really underrated in this like massively underrated 694 00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:20.119 in my opinion. The score. Oh yeah, the team tune 695 00:33:20.200 --> 00:33:22.799 for this movie, I forgot how iconic. And I think 696 00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:25.839 that has a lot to do with what makes anytime 697 00:33:26.000 --> 00:33:28.599 Pinned Head shows up or the center bite shop. Yeah, 698 00:33:28.680 --> 00:33:30.519 I think the score has a lot to do with 699 00:33:31.160 --> 00:33:34.000 You have to remember this was shot in a pretty 700 00:33:34.240 --> 00:33:38.359 like a small kind of middle class house outside of London, 701 00:33:38.599 --> 00:33:41.319 and when they show up

in a random bedroom in 702 00:33:41.359 --> 00:33:44.759 a house like that, it should feel as iconic, but 703 00:33:44.920 --> 00:33:47.480 it does. And like the lights, you've got the light 704 00:33:47.599 --> 00:33:49.920 shining true. I had an image up on screen there 705 00:33:49.960 --> 00:33:51.559 you got the light shine and true kind of like 706 00:33:51.640 --> 00:33:54.759 the background and and like he appears, and like the 707 00:33:54.880 --> 00:33:57.680 scorer starts. And I think Christopher Young, who who scored 708 00:33:57.720 --> 00:34:01.279 the movie, probably doesn't get enough credit. Yeah, I agree, 709 00:34:01.359 --> 00:34:08.440 it's it's a banger, but yeah, I don't know if 710 00:34:08.480 --> 00:34:11.360 it's a weird full circle thing about the cenebites were like, 711 00:34:11.480 --> 00:34:13.679 I think they're in this movie for like seven minutes 712 00:34:13.760 --> 00:34:14.360 or something tall. 713 00:34:14.519 --> 00:34:15.079 That's crazy. 714 00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:18.119 Yeah, And like how much fans were clamoring to find 715 00:34:18.119 --> 00:34:20.119 out more of like, you know, who are they, why 716 00:34:20.199 --> 00:34:22.880 are they? What's going on? Why do they feel so iconic? 717 00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:25.519 Why do they feel like established characters? Because I think 718 00:34:26.400 --> 00:34:29.199 instantly from them showing up on screen, people were treating 719 00:34:29.239 --> 00:34:32.400 them pretty much straight away, especially Pinhead as like a 720 00:34:32.480 --> 00:34:35.760 Freddie Krueger level villain. And he had only been on 721 00:34:35.880 --> 00:34:40.159 screen for like seven minutes. And I heard Clive talk 722 00:34:40.199 --> 00:34:41.840 about this and he's like, it's kind of funny. Really, 723 00:34:41.920 --> 00:34:44.039 isn't that how that worked? Because he said, my intention 724 00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:48.840 for the characters were kind of leaning into like people's intrigue, 725 00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:53.280 people's desires, people's lust and like want for more, and 726 00:34:53.400 --> 00:34:55.760 it's funny to the characters that I had initially planned 727 00:34:55.800 --> 00:34:59.920 to represent that in the movie, the audience ended up lost, 728 00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:03.280 sting and like being intrigued and kind of obsessed with it, 729 00:35:03.480 --> 00:35:06.480 like the characters themselves. He was like, it's a weird, 730 00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:08.480 like kind of full circle of things. So he's like, 731 00:35:08.559 --> 00:35:11.320 maybe in one sense, I got my wish because people 732 00:35:11.440 --> 00:35:15.400 became obsessed with the characters for many, many years. 733 00:35:16.559 --> 00:35:18.960 Yeah, it is interesting. I've even I have one of 734 00:35:19.039 --> 00:35:21.280 Clive Barker's books. I don't know if I ever finished it, 735 00:35:21.400 --> 00:35:23.239 but I was reading out of college. One time, I 736 00:35:23.400 -->

00:35:25.519 was enjoying it in a story writing and he was 737 00:35:25.599 --> 00:35:27.039 set in the Pinhead universe. 738 00:35:27.639 --> 00:35:28.320 That was gonna bug me. 739 00:35:28.320 --> 00:35:29.920 I can't remember it's called, but anyway, it was just 740 00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:33.360 like more but like the detective going after why this 741 00:35:33.559 --> 00:35:36.599 is happening and stuff like that. So it's like, well, 742 00:35:36.639 --> 00:35:38.440 that's what's gonna happen. Actually, in this time period in 743 00:35:38.440 --> 00:35:41.000 the eighties nineties, after we get like Jason, all these 744 00:35:41.679 --> 00:35:45.079 staple characters, people are now wondering, like you know about 745 00:35:45.159 --> 00:35:47.760 these like weird it's weird. It became a good obsession 746 00:35:48.679 --> 00:35:52.199 and it is strange how we become obsessed with these 747 00:35:52.280 --> 00:35:55.519 like dark aspects of life, even through cinema. 748 00:35:55.679 --> 00:36:01.079 Right, Oh wow, I didn't realize this. So I was 749 00:36:01.119 --> 00:36:03.519 looking up someone like the inspiration or where did like 750 00:36:03.639 --> 00:36:05.599 Clive Barker get some of the ideas for some of 751 00:36:05.679 --> 00:36:08.400 this stuff, because obviously he must be a well read 752 00:36:08.519 --> 00:36:12.159 person to like get some of the inspiration for some 753 00:36:12.239 --> 00:36:14.599 of the weird stuff to do with pearsons and things. 754 00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:17.880 And I was like, he didn't just randomly go like, oh, 755 00:36:17.920 --> 00:36:19.599 I'm going to like put in all this weird stuff 756 00:36:19.639 --> 00:36:24.599 with like pearsons and like body modifications. Yeah, you know 757 00:36:24.639 --> 00:36:26.039 what I mean, It's like, how would you have come 758 00:36:26.159 --> 00:36:28.679 whatever about now it is twenty twenty six, But like 759 00:36:29.039 --> 00:36:31.280 back in the mid eighties, I was like, where did 760 00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:33.519 he get his It's not like he went on Google 761 00:36:33.639 --> 00:36:36.320 like and found some weird shit on gore dot com 762 00:36:36.400 --> 00:36:38.360 whatever it's called. So I'm like, where did he get 763 00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:41.039 it from? So supposedly this guy had something to do 764 00:36:41.159 --> 00:36:43.320 with it, and I didn't realize this guy only died 765 00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:45.840 and which just kind of wild. I had no idea 766 00:36:45.880 --> 00:36:49.000 about that. He I think was known as the human 767 00:36:49.159 --> 00:36:54.239 pin cushion. I want to try and pronounce his name for. 768 00:36:54.400 --> 00:36:56.480 Kerr Mufasa's kidding. 769 00:36:57.920 --> 00:37:00.239 Sor for mus so. 770 00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:04.760 He was a non professionally. Also, his name was Roland Loomis. 771 00:37:06.079 --> 00:37:09.199 He was an American performance are just considering the co 772 00:37:09.400 --> 00:37:11.480 founders of modern Primitive movement. 773 00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:14.679 I don't like that at all. That disgusts me. 774 00:37:15.239 --> 00:37:20.760 Yeah, so he done a lot of weird stuff with 775 00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:23.199 Like I said, I think he was referred to as 776 00:37:23.239 --> 00:37:25.400 the human pin cushion. So like, yeah, I don't like 777 00:37:25.719 --> 00:37:29.679 love looking at all that weird stuff. It's not really 778 00:37:29.800 --> 00:37:32.960 for whoa what's going on with his body is that 779 00:37:33.119 --> 00:37:37.599 Billy Kiddy that's kind of looks like it's scary, but 780 00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:40.639 supposedly that had something to do with some of the inspiration. 781 00:37:41.039 --> 00:37:42.599 I don't like folks and stuff. 782 00:37:43.360 --> 00:37:45.239 Yeah, it's not great, it wouldn't be for me now. 783 00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:46.599 I don't see any part now. 784 00:37:46.639 --> 00:37:48.599 But that's like eventually, I've been trying to like maybe 785 00:37:48.639 --> 00:37:51.440 start writing out an episode for us on Strange Brew 786 00:37:51.559 --> 00:37:54.199 to do you like the freak shows but in the circus, 787 00:37:54.280 --> 00:37:55.840 But I almost want to break it up into too 788 00:37:56.039 --> 00:37:57.440 or something like that because there's a lot of information 789 00:37:57.559 --> 00:37:59.159 so you can talk about the freak shows all day. 790 00:37:59.599 --> 00:38:00.639 Yeah, it's we don't like it. 791 00:38:00.719 --> 00:38:04.159 Me and Billy did a torture and punishments episode and 792 00:38:04.280 --> 00:38:06.280 near the end, I just brought up all the cock 793 00:38:06.320 --> 00:38:08.559 and ball torture to fuck with him, and it's like 794 00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:11.960 so crazy the stuff that people are into. And there's 795 00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:15.320 like literally I just brought a Wikipedia list of all 796 00:38:15.440 --> 00:38:17.039 and it's like there's so many. 797 00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:20.000 I want them stomped on, I want them hit with 798 00:38:20.079 --> 00:38:20.559 a baseball. 799 00:38:20.599 --> 00:38:23.320 But whatever it is, it's like crazy because it also 800 00:38:23.400 --> 00:38:26.679 feeds in this idea like sadomasochism. My buddy did joke 801 00:38:26.719 --> 00:38:28.199 because we were talking the one day about like, where 802 00:38:28.239 --> 00:38:29.719 do fetish has come from? Its supposed to be it's 803 00:38:29.719 --> 00:38:31.320 something that happened to you as a child, or it 804 00:38:31.400 --> 00:38:34.639 could be hereditary. And he's like, I asked my dad 805 00:38:34.679 --> 00:38:36.400 why he looks at his ball's being crushed. 806 00:38:36.679 --> 00:38:40.400 It was like, I was, like, that's so exact, but 807 00:38:40.559 --> 00:38:42.800 it like there is a kind of a like like 808 00:38:43.039 --> 00:38:46.280 the funny part of all this aside. I listened to 809 00:38:46.360 --> 00:38:48.639 Clive talk a

lot about this, and look, Clive can 810 00:38:48.719 --> 00:38:50.239 kind of be a bit weird. He's into a lot 811 00:38:50.280 --> 00:38:53.559 of kind of weird, kinky, fetishy stuff anyway. Yeah, and 812 00:38:53.599 --> 00:38:55.400 I'm not saying that's nither here in her Dare, but 813 00:38:55.519 --> 00:38:57.400 I thought it was quite interesting, like what he talks about, 814 00:38:57.440 --> 00:38:59.960 you know, the idea of pinhead and how he looks 815 00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:02.239 and kind of what he felt that he represented. And 816 00:39:02.239 --> 00:39:06.559 it's that that kind of human nature or that I 817 00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:08.280 don't know if you could call it like the the 818 00:39:08.519 --> 00:39:11.280 unhuman part of us. Yeah, maybe some people would reference 819 00:39:11.320 --> 00:39:14.039 it as like we all have desires that we probably 820 00:39:14.079 --> 00:39:17.320 don't openly express. I think, whether we like to admit 821 00:39:17.360 --> 00:39:22.000 it or not, we're probably all somewhat attracted to darkness 822 00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:25.000 in the sense of like, there's probably some stuff that 823 00:39:25.239 --> 00:39:28.960 you're attracted to or would consider in your head that 824 00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:32.159 maybe you wouldn't sit around the coffee table and be like, hey, everybody, 825 00:39:32.280 --> 00:39:34.679 you know, I'm into getting my bothole liqued or I'm intok. 826 00:39:35.199 --> 00:39:38.360 And it's that thing of like, no matter who you are, 827 00:39:38.519 --> 00:39:40.320 if you see a bad car accident or something, what's 828 00:39:40.360 --> 00:39:42.559 the first thing that everybody does. They look out the 829 00:39:42.599 --> 00:39:44.320 window and it's like you don't want to see it, 830 00:39:44.360 --> 00:39:46.199 but then you're like, yeah, I know, right, Or like 831 00:39:46.280 --> 00:39:48.719 if there's a fight on, it's like most people like 832 00:39:48.800 --> 00:39:50.440 I don't want to see anybody fighting, But then at 833 00:39:50.440 --> 00:39:53.079 the same time, everybody cross their neck up and goes, wait, 834 00:39:53.239 --> 00:39:55.519 was that a fight over there? What's going on? And 835 00:39:55.639 --> 00:39:58.119 it's that weird thing of like, of us as humans, 836 00:39:58.159 --> 00:39:59.840 I don't know why we were attracted. And he was like, 837 00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:03.880 I was obsessed with that idea of You've got this 838 00:40:04.000 --> 00:40:05.639 guy with all these nails in his face and all 839 00:40:05.679 --> 00:40:09.159 this weird stuff done to his body, and he's he's hideous, 840 00:40:09.280 --> 00:40:11.360 but he kind of draws you in. And he was like, 841 00:40:11.559 --> 00:40:14.079 and it kind of came to life in reality because 842 00:40:14.960 --> 00:40:17.760 the amount of fan mail that Doug Bradley would get 843 00:40:18.239 --> 00:40:22.000 from like young women being like, oh my god, you're 844 00:40:22.119 --> 00:40:23.239 like the sexiest motherfucker. 845 00:40:23.480 --> 00:40:25.440 And that's he was weird as shit, dude. 846 00:40:25.719 --> 00:40:26.840 But do you know what I mean, Like he had 847 00:40:26.920 --> 00:40:30.159 if I grew my hair now, it would look exactly 848 00:40:30.320 --> 00:40:34.440 like Doug Bradley did when he was filming this stuff, right, And. 849 00:40:34.599 --> 00:40:36.920 Well, that's just like the serial killer woman thing, right, 850 00:40:37.159 --> 00:40:38.679 is like so and I want to cover it on 851 00:40:38.760 --> 00:40:40.840 my show at some point like soon, but like the 852 00:40:40.920 --> 00:40:43.199 whole like in love with serial killer stuff and like 853 00:40:43.559 --> 00:40:45.800 and even speaking about how we all have a little 854 00:40:45.800 --> 00:40:46.880 bit of like crazy. 855 00:40:46.960 --> 00:40:49.280 You know, I was gonna say like that Billy Loomis. 856 00:40:49.559 --> 00:40:50.960 Go a little mad sometimes. 857 00:40:51.559 --> 00:40:55.880 But like even like Richard Ramirez, Right, it's like he said, 858 00:40:56.440 --> 00:40:58.280 I'm not one hundred percent good, but I'm not one 859 00:40:58.360 --> 00:40:59.440 hundred percent evil either. 860 00:41:00.159 --> 00:41:04.800 It's like in He's like we all have evil in us. Yeah, 861 00:41:05.199 --> 00:41:05.719 you should do that. 862 00:41:06.599 --> 00:41:09.159 Doug Bradley was probably like about twenty. 863 00:41:09.000 --> 00:41:11.519 Five years so you should do that, man. 864 00:41:11.679 --> 00:41:13.800 You know, I'd be That's the hair i'd have though, 865 00:41:14.239 --> 00:41:17.159 if I let my hair grow. That's the kind of 866 00:41:17.719 --> 00:41:21.679 that's the sort of hair cut I'm getting. Yeah, lots 867 00:41:21.719 --> 00:41:25.360 of dad all the little girl. It's like, yeah, yikes, 868 00:41:25.440 --> 00:41:27.599 like there there's heat. That's what he looked like at 869 00:41:27.800 --> 00:41:28.320 our age. 870 00:41:28.360 --> 00:41:31.320 I think that's crazy. What happened to man? 871 00:41:31.400 --> 00:41:31.519 Man? 872 00:41:31.559 --> 00:41:35.280 Why we all look like we're poisoned or something? Yeah, 873 00:41:35.280 --> 00:41:37.440 I know, right, Why did they look so old? It 874 00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:42.400 is weird? Yeah, oh there you go. 875 00:41:42.639 --> 00:41:46.079 I want that you go up with black and white one. Well, 876 00:41:46.119 --> 00:41:48.880 this guy, we gotta get you some hairshots for the show. Yeah, 877 00:41:48.920 --> 00:41:49.679 I just do something like that. 878 00:41:51.039 --> 00:41:57.440 Jesus Christ looking like that. Yeah, but yeah, I don't know. 879 00:41:57.480 --> 00:41:59.039 I feel like it leans into a lot of that 880 00:41:59.119 --> 00:42:03.719 stuff where we're probably all a little bit into things 881 00:42:03.960 --> 00:42:06.599 or have fetishes for things that we may not want 882 00:42:06.639 --> 00:42:08.760 to out and like, like I said, all

jokes aside, 883 00:42:08.840 --> 00:42:11.280 I think, no matter who you are, people say, oh 884 00:42:11.360 --> 00:42:13.199 my god, no I'm not into this, And I'm like, 885 00:42:13.239 --> 00:42:16.239 there's something. I know, there's something there that you wouldn't openly, 886 00:42:16.320 --> 00:42:18.599 you wouldn't stand around the water could and go hey, guys, 887 00:42:19.159 --> 00:42:21.840 I like my post. So I like to be doing this. 888 00:42:22.719 --> 00:42:24.760 And it's like I don't care who you are, and 889 00:42:25.079 --> 00:42:28.320 there's a maybe we will sometime down the road, but 890 00:42:28.440 --> 00:42:31.159 like there's probably a very interesting like kind of character 891 00:42:31.280 --> 00:42:33.440 study there that you could do on like what a 892 00:42:33.519 --> 00:42:37.679 lot of this is about, and like the different I 893 00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:41.880 looked up, So I think Clive has never specifically said 894 00:42:41.920 --> 00:42:43.480 this is what it means. He said a lot of it, 895 00:42:43.719 --> 00:42:45.840 Like you said, it's kind of left the interpretation of 896 00:42:45.960 --> 00:42:48.719 like different people will take different things, And I had 897 00:42:48.760 --> 00:42:51.599 seen some people were trying to tie you things to characters, 898 00:42:51.679 --> 00:42:55.239 so like say pin Head, the fear of being forced 899 00:42:55.360 --> 00:42:58.400 or penetrated against your will, and that doesn't mean the 900 00:42:58.599 --> 00:43:01.679 joke I was gonna make a whatever. I think what 901 00:43:01.800 --> 00:43:04.840 people are taking from that is like being forced into 902 00:43:04.920 --> 00:43:07.880 a life or into a situation that maybe you don't 903 00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:11.000 want to be, but you're being forced by a bigger 904 00:43:11.079 --> 00:43:13.840 power or whatever into something like. 905 00:43:13.880 --> 00:43:16.840 A bad relationship where you're like yeah. 906 00:43:16.760 --> 00:43:19.599 Or like even some of the stuff like at an 907 00:43:19.719 --> 00:43:21.400 even higher level, and I don't want to get into it, 908 00:43:21.440 --> 00:43:22.960 but like I feel like it always ties back to stuff, 909 00:43:23.000 --> 00:43:25.679 but like even on a way bigger level, like a 910 00:43:25.800 --> 00:43:27.960 global level, on some of the stuff that goes on 911 00:43:28.199 --> 00:43:30.679 that we as people don't get a choice. You're just 912 00:43:30.760 --> 00:43:33.400 kind of told, well, this is what's happening, and you've 913 00:43:33.440 --> 00:43:35.000 got to be happy with it, do you know what 914 00:43:35.000 --> 00:43:36.840 I mean, It's like it's all that kind of stuff. 915 00:43:36.840 --> 00:43:41.159 And then Butterball, like people that struggle with waste their 916 00:43:41.239 --> 00:43:43.840 appearance over eaten, which a lot of us struggle with. 917 00:43:43.960 --> 00:43:46.840 Like there's all that kind of stuff. The female center 918

00:43:46.880 --> 00:43:48.960 bite people saying like maybe you know, maybe it represents 919 00:43:49.000 --> 00:43:51.599 a fear of being silenced or having like your voice 920 00:43:51.719 --> 00:43:53.599 or you're say, taken away from you, which kind of 921 00:43:53.639 --> 00:43:56.440 ties into Pinheads sort of thing. And I don't I 922 00:43:56.480 --> 00:43:58.480 just thought it was quite interesting, like to look at 923 00:43:58.519 --> 00:44:01.360 some of that stuff and you could probably pull I 924 00:44:01.440 --> 00:44:05.119 don't know, any sort of thing from us. 925 00:44:05.199 --> 00:44:07.840 Yeah, it's all about your interpretation, right of how you 926 00:44:08.440 --> 00:44:12.039 use the look, because as someone could take this the 927 00:44:12.119 --> 00:44:14.239 other way and like and then it's like you could 928 00:44:14.280 --> 00:44:17.239 have you could have like somebody young see this film 929 00:44:18.039 --> 00:44:20.920 and then get then they're like they're going to B 930 00:44:21.039 --> 00:44:24.000 DSM clubs in Germany, right, And it's like it just 931 00:44:24.159 --> 00:44:26.880 happens that way sometimes, if you know, when people are 932 00:44:26.960 --> 00:44:30.480 young and then they don't realize, like it's they're turned 933 00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:32.480 on by something almost they like shouldn't be. 934 00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:37.159 I do like the idea though, of and I think 935 00:44:37.199 --> 00:44:39.880 Pinnhead says that at one point were explorers from the 936 00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:43.480 far regions of something, and I thought, that's kind of 937 00:44:43.559 --> 00:44:46.199 interesting that, like there, it's. 938 00:44:46.360 --> 00:44:51.840 What is this is like work explorers, demons to some 939 00:44:52.360 --> 00:44:54.679 angels to others, some. 940 00:44:54.920 --> 00:44:59.239 Like that, and that's that's a that's another interesting thing, 941 00:44:59.400 --> 00:45:01.960 demons some angels to others, which I think kind of 942 00:45:02.000 --> 00:45:04.239 ties into what you had said earlier about different things 943 00:45:04.280 --> 00:45:08.039 and different people will have a different perspective on different things. 944 00:45:08.199 --> 00:45:10.599 It's like the Nefilo conspiracy and all that stuff, right, 945 00:45:10.719 --> 00:45:12.920 It's just like when people see angels, there's ones with 946 00:45:13.159 --> 00:45:15.760 like thousands of eyes looking at them, and then we 947 00:45:15.840 --> 00:45:17.800 get this idea of like, oh, it's like a cherub, 948 00:45:18.079 --> 00:45:20.519 which they really didn't look like, but have like little 949 00:45:20.599 --> 00:45:23.679 flying babies or like beautiful women playing a trumpet, and 950 00:45:23.679 --> 00:45:26.239 it's like that's not really what the Bible describes them as. Really, 951 00:45:26.559 --> 00:45:28.400 they're like a thousand eyes spinning wheel. 952 00:45:29.639 --> 00:45:30.320 The serophim. 953

00:45:30.519 --> 00:45:33.960 Yeah, and and this ties back into another I think 954 00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:37.000 another one of our best episodes that we've done, and 955 00:45:37.159 --> 00:45:39.519 it was not long after I think the Midnight Mey 956 00:45:39.599 --> 00:45:42.119 Train episode. We've done an episode on Jacob's Ladder, and 957 00:45:42.400 --> 00:45:45.360 another one that I have gotten so much feedback on 958 00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:47.920 the people loved that deep dive and loved that like 959 00:45:49.119 --> 00:45:52.400 the tumatic like character breakdown. We kind of done on 960 00:45:52.519 --> 00:45:54.400 that when we got like we had some jokes here 961 00:45:54.400 --> 00:45:56.280 and there, but I think people really appreciated like the 962 00:45:56.360 --> 00:45:58.239 deeper level of and that's why I kind of wanted 963 00:45:58.280 --> 00:46:00.639 to maybe over the course of this year will kind 964 00:46:00.679 --> 00:46:03.480 of start to get into over over the movies. There 965 00:46:03.599 --> 00:46:06.119 is some underlying things there that are trying to be 966 00:46:06.159 --> 00:46:07.679 said that no one ever talks about. They're just kind 967 00:46:07.719 --> 00:46:10.199 of talk about, oh, Goofy pinhead or a goofy kill. 968 00:46:10.719 --> 00:46:12.920 But there is other stuff there under the surface that 969 00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:15.480 I think they were trying to say, but it didn't 970 00:46:15.519 --> 00:46:20.920 really ever get looked at. And I can't remember my point. 971 00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:24.880 Oh yeah, the episode about Jacob's Ladder, and we talked 972 00:46:24.880 --> 00:46:26.800 about this as well, and it's a big thing in 973 00:46:26.920 --> 00:46:30.199 Jacob's Ladder where the guy says to him, you know, 974 00:46:30.280 --> 00:46:32.719 all this time I've been seeing all these things and 975 00:46:32.760 --> 00:46:35.679 all these faces, and I thought what I thought it 976 00:46:35.880 --> 00:46:37.960 was was I thought it was I'm going to butcher 977 00:46:38.079 --> 00:46:40.440 the exact quote, but basically what he says is like 978 00:46:40.880 --> 00:46:43.280 I thought it was demons, you know, ripping my life 979 00:46:43.280 --> 00:46:45.400 away from me and bringing me somewhere I didn't want 980 00:46:45.400 --> 00:46:47.840 to go and take me away from this existence. And 981 00:46:47.960 --> 00:46:50.519 he was like, but then, upon further thought, I've realized 982 00:46:50.559 --> 00:46:53.079 that the whole time it's it was angels lifted me 983 00:46:53.159 --> 00:46:55.599 to a better place. And it's that thing of perspective 984 00:46:55.679 --> 00:46:59.239 of like I can the guy like Jacob in Jacob's 985 00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:02.280 Ladder is like, this is what's happened to me. I'm 986 00:47:02.280 --> 00:47:04.559 seeing all these creepy faces and blah blah. And then 987 00:47:04.599 --> 00:47:07.239 when the other guy puts it in perspective for him 988 00:47:07.239 --> 00:47:08.719 and he's like, no, no, man, it doesn't have to 989 00:47:08.760 --> 00:47:10.960 be like that, it can be like this. And I 990 00:47:11.039 --> 00:47:12.760 felt like that too, and I thought they were ripping 991 00:47:12.840 --> 00:47:15.159 me away from this amazing life. But we're going somewhere else. 992 00:47:15.280 --> 00:47:18.079 We're going to this other thing, and he's trying to 993 00:47:18.199 --> 00:47:21.639 like change his mind basically in what he's seeing. So 994 00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:25.679 the idea of demonto one person somebody else sees something 995 00:47:25.719 --> 00:47:29.239 completely different, and I did like the idea of that. Yeah, 996 00:47:29.280 --> 00:47:31.159 it is. It's scary like and then you know it 997 00:47:31.239 --> 00:47:33.400 ties back into the same thing. I always talk about this, 998 00:47:33.760 --> 00:47:36.760 the human experience, and it's like, Okay, what are we 999 00:47:36.800 --> 00:47:38.880 all here for? Like when we watch a movie. Why 1000 00:47:38.960 --> 00:47:41.719 do you watch a movie? Yeah, because it makes you 1001 00:47:41.800 --> 00:47:44.360 feel something, or at least that's what you hope when 1002 00:47:44.400 --> 00:47:48.840 you take out of the reality that you and like, 1003 00:47:49.159 --> 00:47:51.000 you know, when somebody listens to music, whether it be 1004 00:47:51.119 --> 00:47:55.719 your music, whether it be rock music, love songs, whatever 1005 00:47:55.840 --> 00:47:59.679 it might be, you're listening to it for a reason. 1006 00:48:00.280 --> 00:48:02.400 So like it's the thing of like you ever see 1007 00:48:02.440 --> 00:48:05.559 those memes and it's like a dad that looks like 1008 00:48:05.679 --> 00:48:08.039 fucking Rick Marianis or whatever, and he's like in his 1009 00:48:08.159 --> 00:48:09.800 little car on his way through his nine to five, 1010 00:48:09.880 --> 00:48:11.880 but he's listening to the fucking Wu Tang Climb or 1011 00:48:11.960 --> 00:48:15.400 something and he's like doing all that. Yeah, and like 1012 00:48:15.800 --> 00:48:18.320 and you want to feel like that person. And then 1013 00:48:18.400 --> 00:48:19.800 you get to your desk job and you sit there 1014 00:48:19.840 --> 00:48:21.760 with your little pencil and you do and it's that 1015 00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:25.519 thing again. It's kind of escapeism. It's I suppose we're 1016 00:48:25.559 --> 00:48:29.000 all here for, Like I don't know feelings, experiences, emotions, 1017 00:48:29.000 --> 00:48:30.760 because the end of the right, what is anything about, 1018 00:48:31.000 --> 00:48:32.440 Like when it comes to I don't know where we 1019 00:48:32.599 --> 00:48:35.440 go after this. I don't I don't even know how 1020 00:48:35.480 --> 00:48:39.039 I feel about all that, but like this will all end. 1021 00:48:39.199 --> 00:48:41.280 Whatever this is we're doing right now will all be 1022 00:48:41.360 --> 00:48:42.079 over at some point. 1023

00:48:43.559 --> 00:48:47.000 And it's it's like, even you know, just my experience 1024 00:48:47.079 --> 00:48:48.880 of like psychedelics and stuff like that, it is like 1025 00:48:49.280 --> 00:48:51.519 it does kind of make you look through the lens 1026 00:48:51.679 --> 00:48:53.519 of like, yeah, this could all be I could be 1027 00:48:53.639 --> 00:48:56.960 dead at some point very soon tomorrow, yeah, you know, 1028 00:48:57.159 --> 00:48:58.679 and then what was it all worth? 1029 00:48:59.519 --> 00:48:59.679 Right? 1030 00:48:59.760 --> 00:49:02.679 And then it puts people in perspective of like what 1031 00:49:02.880 --> 00:49:06.320 you're like kind of fighting for and experiencing in this reality, right, 1032 00:49:06.679 --> 00:49:08.639 And that's why I'm like, that's why I always push 1033 00:49:08.719 --> 00:49:10.280 people to like, you know, I know it's tough and 1034 00:49:10.320 --> 00:49:12.320 stuff like that, but have kids, have lots of kids 1035 00:49:12.760 --> 00:49:16.599 or whatever, because they're your ancestral like bloodline to your people, right, 1036 00:49:16.639 --> 00:49:18.519 and who you are as a person, because they can 1037 00:49:18.599 --> 00:49:20.960 you can teach them whatever. But at least I find 1038 00:49:21.000 --> 00:49:23.599 that interesting is once you're gone, when people are gone, 1039 00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:25.960 they still kind of live through the memories of those 1040 00:49:25.960 --> 00:49:27.679 who love them, right. 1041 00:49:27.760 --> 00:49:30.559 And then it's I heard a quote the other day 1042 00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:31.360 and it was like. 1043 00:49:33.400 --> 00:49:35.960 I can't remember exactly the quote now, but it was 1044 00:49:36.000 --> 00:49:39.119 something like, you die twice. The first time you die 1045 00:49:39.280 --> 00:49:42.000 is when your physical body dies, you're put in the ground. 1046 00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:43.840 That's what you're dead. The second time is when you're 1047 00:49:43.880 --> 00:49:46.280 true to die, is when everybody stops talking about you, 1048 00:49:46.400 --> 00:49:49.239 remembering you. And it's that idea, And it wasn't specifically 1049 00:49:49.239 --> 00:49:51.320 about a one person. The guy who was kind of 1050 00:49:51.360 --> 00:49:53.760 tying into what you're saying about, like if you're a 1051 00:49:53.840 --> 00:49:56.760 bloodline or if you're whatever, it is just done completely, 1052 00:49:57.320 --> 00:50:00.039 then that's it. Then there is no like and I 1053 00:50:00.039 --> 00:50:01.599 don't know, and I think about this. I know we're 1054 00:50:01.639 --> 00:50:03.559 getting super deep here, but I think it's it's important 1055 00:50:03.599 --> 00:50:06.000 in a way because it's a lot of the themes 1056 00:50:06.079 --> 00:50:08.960 of this movie where if anyone has ever read The 1057 00:50:09.039 --> 00:50:10.679 hell Bound Heart and stuff, it was a lot more 1058 00:50:10.760 --> 00:50:14.039 thoughtful than just

like oh, spooky guy with pins and chains, 1059 00:50:14.239 --> 00:50:16.480 Like he was actually trying to say something about, like 1060 00:50:16.599 --> 00:50:18.719 I don't like, where do we go? Is there people 1061 00:50:18.840 --> 00:50:22.960 somewhere else? Is there people that, depending on what they've 1062 00:50:23.000 --> 00:50:26.599 experienced or done on this plane of existence, have they 1063 00:50:26.679 --> 00:50:30.840 went somewhere else? That's absolutely mental? Is there somewhere like 1064 00:50:30.960 --> 00:50:32.840 Jacob's Ladder is the same thing. They kind of play 1065 00:50:32.880 --> 00:50:34.679 with the idea of like you're either going down here, 1066 00:50:34.760 --> 00:50:35.519 you're going up here. 1067 00:50:35.639 --> 00:50:36.559 That's the spooky thing. 1068 00:50:36.960 --> 00:50:38.679 Not to get too far to this, but the idea 1069 00:50:38.719 --> 00:50:42.039 of like the Nephelum kind of ancient gods. They're like 1070 00:50:42.239 --> 00:50:44.880 acting as if they're God, right, And then you think 1071 00:50:44.920 --> 00:50:48.159 about those people in the like Aztec world, they were 1072 00:50:48.280 --> 00:50:51.599 sacrificing like ten thousand people whatever a year is some 1073 00:50:51.920 --> 00:50:54.840 astronomical number. It's pretty crazy, sometimes like eight hundred and 1074 00:50:54.840 --> 00:50:58.000 a month, and then they're doing it to appease this god. 1075 00:50:57.960 --> 00:51:00.599 Quits Aquado or some others. Right, But it's like, then 1076 00:51:00.639 --> 00:51:01.840 where do you go after that? 1077 00:51:02.039 --> 00:51:04.400 If you think you're appeasing this god that's fake almost 1078 00:51:04.440 --> 00:51:06.960 like the hell Rais are kind of like a pinhead 1079 00:51:07.119 --> 00:51:10.039 how he's like some sort of demonic creature, but he's 1080 00:51:10.079 --> 00:51:12.639 giving you what you want. You want to ex experience 1081 00:51:12.719 --> 00:51:16.000 the cardinal pain and suffering because you've experienced all the 1082 00:51:16.039 --> 00:51:18.519 pleasure in life. It is a weird concept because you 1083 00:51:18.559 --> 00:51:22.239 think about that, it's like, I'm not into like pain 1084 00:51:22.400 --> 00:51:25.800 when it comes to like sexual arousal, but there definitely 1085 00:51:26.000 --> 00:51:28.800 is people that are even just like a lot of 1086 00:51:28.840 --> 00:51:30.920 women that are into choking and stuff like that. That's 1087 00:51:31.039 --> 00:51:33.639 like part of it to some extent, and all those 1088 00:51:33.679 --> 00:51:36.000 come from underlying I think issues of how people were 1089 00:51:36.039 --> 00:51:38.159 growing up or what the experience for some of their 1090 00:51:38.440 --> 00:51:43.159 first experience is getting aroused essentially. But that the whole 1091 00:51:43.199 --> 00:51:45.360 Pinhead character in that the centate by remind me of 1092 00:51:45.440 --> 00:51:48.679 that of people that kind of went too far, Like 1093 00:51:48.719 --> 00:51:50.519 you know what I mean, you just like you're playing 1094 00:51:50.599 --> 00:51:53.960 the you know, the Rubik's Q box, you know. And 1095 00:51:54.039 --> 00:51:57.079 then Jeffrey Epstein pops out with Bill Gates and he's like, but. 1096 00:51:57.239 --> 00:52:00.159 Like, there's the idea there, right, there's the idea of 1097 00:52:00.440 --> 00:52:01.840 and I can get into a little bit of this 1098 00:52:01.960 --> 00:52:03.639 as we started to bring everything to a close, but 1099 00:52:04.440 --> 00:52:07.360 you know the idea that so the box never lies. 1100 00:52:07.480 --> 00:52:14.159 Basically it promises extraordinary experiences, things beyond belief, I suppose, 1101 00:52:14.400 --> 00:52:17.480 and it gives it basically that. And you know, he 1102 00:52:17.599 --> 00:52:18.880 was like, I never meant it to be just some 1103 00:52:19.079 --> 00:52:22.960 goofy like plot device or a puzzle box. I it 1104 00:52:23.119 --> 00:52:24.960 was supposed to be a look at the test of 1105 00:52:25.079 --> 00:52:29.119 human curiosity and longing and like people who maybe maybe 1106 00:52:29.280 --> 00:52:31.679 veer too far into some of their thoughts or their 1107 00:52:31.800 --> 00:52:35.000 lusts or their curiosity and where that would take a 1108 00:52:35.119 --> 00:52:39.280 person and the cenobites were supposed to represent. You know, 1109 00:52:39.559 --> 00:52:44.199 people who have the boundaries are like so blurred and 1110 00:52:44.320 --> 00:52:48.239 lost now that they've gone so far. And then it's 1111 00:52:48.280 --> 00:52:50.280 like is that a good thing? Is that a bad thing? 1112 00:52:50.440 --> 00:52:50.480 Like? 1113 00:52:50.559 --> 00:52:52.760 Are we supposed to be here to experience at all 1114 00:52:52.960 --> 00:52:54.559 and be able to sit down at the end of 1115 00:52:54.599 --> 00:52:58.360 it all and go, you know, I have experienced or 1116 00:52:58.440 --> 00:53:02.159 taken all this plain of existence has been able to 1117 00:53:02.239 --> 00:53:05.559 give me? Or you know, do you want to end 1118 00:53:05.679 --> 00:53:07.880 whatever this is and be like, oh, I never tried 1119 00:53:07.920 --> 00:53:10.880 that thing, like like you for example, just on a 1120 00:53:11.000 --> 00:53:13.960 different level. Oh, you know, I always wanted to make music, 1121 00:53:14.039 --> 00:53:15.639 but I never did and I never I never got 1122 00:53:15.719 --> 00:53:17.920 to feel what that felt like. Or I never had 1123 00:53:17.960 --> 00:53:19.880 a kid, but I wonder what that would have been, 1124 00:53:19.880 --> 00:53:21.360 Like I wonder what kind of dad I would have been, 1125 00:53:21.400 --> 00:53:23.119 Like I wonder what kind of granddad I would have 1126 00:53:23.159 --> 00:53:26.599 been like and all those things. And he I suppose 1127 00:53:26.599 --> 00:53:30.119 it's just toying with the idea of that's more of 1128 00:53:30.239 --> 00:53:31.239 what I

wanted to say. 1129 00:53:31.639 --> 00:53:33.599 That is true, right, Like it's so funny because like 1130 00:53:33.639 --> 00:53:36.320 there's regrets have in life, but like it's interesting that 1131 00:53:36.519 --> 00:53:38.920 like I was like, oh, I'm going to go do 1132 00:53:39.119 --> 00:53:42.159 music in a big city like Toronto, right, and it's weird. 1133 00:53:42.239 --> 00:53:44.239 Now I've made over a thousand dollars off my music, 1134 00:53:44.440 --> 00:53:46.599 so it's like it is a bizarre thing, and just 1135 00:53:46.679 --> 00:53:49.920 by putting it on streaming platforms like all together, which 1136 00:53:50.000 --> 00:53:52.920 still is like wow, I've never thought that would happen. Right, 1137 00:53:53.079 --> 00:53:55.199 So it's like, if you don't do something, you don't try. 1138 00:53:55.280 --> 00:53:57.519 But also, do you want to go down a little 1139 00:53:57.519 --> 00:54:02.719 bit of a rabbit hole? And this I mean sure, okay, 1140 00:54:02.800 --> 00:54:06.079 so conspiracy right, like the box, right, the idea of 1141 00:54:06.199 --> 00:54:10.280 this box, right, the can It's okay, so now we're 1142 00:54:10.320 --> 00:54:12.840 gonna go they look at the eighties graphics though, right. 1143 00:54:13.920 --> 00:54:17.159 Like that, this goes into those really badly drawn like 1144 00:54:17.360 --> 00:54:18.679 labyrinth yea in the back. 1145 00:54:19.199 --> 00:54:22.039 Made from a you know, Windows ninety seven computer. But 1146 00:54:22.559 --> 00:54:24.599 obviously it's always in that. But so you think about 1147 00:54:24.599 --> 00:54:27.559 the box, right, what's in the box? But that's a 1148 00:54:27.639 --> 00:54:30.559 terrible joke. But it's this idea that like this comes 1149 00:54:30.599 --> 00:54:33.039 from like a cult folklore and stuff like that also, 1150 00:54:33.639 --> 00:54:36.480 and it also comes from the symbolism of Saturn. So 1151 00:54:36.599 --> 00:54:38.360 if you think about there's a for people that don't 1152 00:54:38.360 --> 00:54:41.079 have a conspiracy called the Saturn Club, and there's the Saturn. 1153 00:54:41.239 --> 00:54:44.559 There's connections to Saturn. Right, Jewish people wear a box 1154 00:54:44.639 --> 00:54:47.159 on their head that's black. It's connected supposed to be 1155 00:54:47.159 --> 00:54:52.079 a Saturn. Muslims move around that massive stone in Mecca 1156 00:54:52.199 --> 00:54:55.360 which looks like very similar to the box that's in 1157 00:54:55.440 --> 00:54:58.679 Hell Razor and some excise is darker. There's cubes placed 1158 00:54:58.760 --> 00:55:03.320 all around the world in symmetrical ways in big cities 1159 00:55:03.320 --> 00:55:05.400 and stuff like that. And it leads back to this 1160 00:55:05.559 --> 00:55:08.440 worship of Saturn. That'suppose he has gone on for a 1161 00:55:08.559 --> 00:55:12.320 long time, centuries ancient cultures. We're doing this maybe sacrificing 1162 00:55:12.599 --> 00:55:15.559 people's to Saturn. And then even if you listen to 1163 00:55:15.639 --> 00:55:18.079 the sounds of Saturn, it's creepy and strange. And then 1164 00:55:18.119 --> 00:55:20.639 you got conspiracy theories like David Ike that think that 1165 00:55:20.840 --> 00:55:24.159 like it's connection to like these reptilian demons. So it's 1166 00:55:24.199 --> 00:55:27.440 like so funny because even in Clive Barker's work, he 1167 00:55:27.639 --> 00:55:32.519 is like creating this kind of folklore from ancient occult 1168 00:55:32.800 --> 00:55:36.320 ideas because this has represented a lot of stuff. 1169 00:55:36.400 --> 00:55:38.280 Dude, the box and the side like. 1170 00:55:38.639 --> 00:55:40.840 And we'll be able to see this. It starts to 1171 00:55:40.880 --> 00:55:44.760 readly pick up from part two in the next episode 1172 00:55:44.800 --> 00:55:46.280 we're going to do in this series, which will cover 1173 00:55:46.440 --> 00:55:49.119 hell Reser two or Hell Bound hells Are two been 1174 00:55:49.159 --> 00:55:52.679 a cola. But there's and I've written some notes the 1175 00:55:52.800 --> 00:55:56.639 other night, and right from the get go, basically there's 1176 00:55:56.800 --> 00:56:00.599 a cult symbols, there's a cult stuff on aboard in 1177 00:56:00.639 --> 00:56:03.360 the background. There's notebook that shows up that's full of 1178 00:56:03.400 --> 00:56:07.320 a cult and Egyptian symbols and things like that. So 1179 00:56:07.440 --> 00:56:09.920 there's a lot of stuff there that I think he researched. 1180 00:56:10.360 --> 00:56:12.920 He's probably curious about it, and he seems like a 1181 00:56:13.079 --> 00:56:15.800 very you know, some people say, oh, I'm not really 1182 00:56:15.840 --> 00:56:18.079 into him or his I'm not saying I'm all about 1183 00:56:18.079 --> 00:56:19.719 the way he thinks or anything. But he seems like 1184 00:56:19.800 --> 00:56:23.119 a very curious person where he's always open to Okay, 1185 00:56:23.239 --> 00:56:26.800 tell me, let me hear, let me know what's out 1186 00:56:26.840 --> 00:56:30.159 there or what is their potential for, which is kind 1187 00:56:30.159 --> 00:56:32.559 of why I like some of his stuff because and 1188 00:56:32.599 --> 00:56:34.199 it would have been interesting to see if he had 1189 00:56:34.199 --> 00:56:36.159 a carry on this series and it was solely his 1190 00:56:36.360 --> 00:56:38.679 say I would have I'm not saying it would have 1191 00:56:38.719 --> 00:56:40.599 been good. I'm not saying anything. I don't know. Maybe 1192 00:56:40.599 --> 00:56:42.360 I would have hated it, but it would have been 1193 00:56:42.400 --> 00:56:45.440 interesting to see where he would have taken the idea 1194 00:56:45.679 --> 00:56:48.320 of all of this. And I think he would have 1195 00:56:48.360 --> 00:56:51.800 strayed away from and while I love some of the 1196 00:56:51.880 --> 00:56:53.920 elements of some of the later movies, just for how 1197 00:56:54.159 --> 00:56:57.159 iconic some

of the set pieces were, it would have 1198 00:56:57.199 --> 00:57:00.320 been interesting to see the story and what he would 1199 00:57:00.320 --> 00:57:04.440 have been trying to say. Its just been like, here's 1200 00:57:04.480 --> 00:57:07.199 some cool scene with hell and shooting. 1201 00:57:07.400 --> 00:57:09.920 Yeah, and even like with the New one, I didn't 1202 00:57:09.960 --> 00:57:11.840 mind the direction it went. I don't really know if 1203 00:57:11.840 --> 00:57:12.599 he had anything. 1204 00:57:12.519 --> 00:57:14.760 To do with the New one, but he was like 1205 00:57:14.840 --> 00:57:17.000 an executive producer. But again I don't know what that 1206 00:57:17.239 --> 00:57:20.400 really means now just I signed off on it or whatever. 1207 00:57:20.519 --> 00:57:21.960 But like he could have got in more of the 1208 00:57:22.880 --> 00:57:26.880 the idea of like, yeah, weird of like I don't know, 1209 00:57:26.880 --> 00:57:29.199 I just like playing on that whole story of like 1210 00:57:29.480 --> 00:57:31.960 that Cardinal Sin type thing. 1211 00:57:31.960 --> 00:57:37.000 Right, it's a and like So I listened to interviews 1212 00:57:37.039 --> 00:57:38.519 with some of the people that worked on the movie 1213 00:57:38.559 --> 00:57:41.159 with him, and I think it might have been actually 1214 00:57:41.199 --> 00:57:43.199 Doug Bradley or somebody or one of the cente bites 1215 00:57:43.280 --> 00:57:47.000 told a story about like well before this movie was made, 1216 00:57:47.599 --> 00:57:49.480 and they said they were somewhere with him. They were 1217 00:57:49.519 --> 00:57:51.840 in some sort of group together, some theater group or 1218 00:57:51.880 --> 00:57:54.400 something before all this, and they said there was one 1219 00:57:54.480 --> 00:57:56.880 day they were somewhere like for a meetup, and he 1220 00:57:57.079 --> 00:57:59.960 had a light or something and he had a bowl 1221 00:58:00.320 --> 00:58:02.760 similar to that picture we have on screen if you're 1222 00:58:02.760 --> 00:58:06.039 watching this, and it was like, basically, it's like a 1223 00:58:06.119 --> 00:58:08.480 piece of timber or piece of wood, and it was 1224 00:58:08.559 --> 00:58:11.599 all nails in it, and he was letting a light 1225 00:58:11.920 --> 00:58:15.000 or a torch or something swing over the top of it, 1226 00:58:15.280 --> 00:58:17.000 and he was looking at it from the side so 1227 00:58:17.119 --> 00:58:19.840 he could see the shadows and stuff. And years later, 1228 00:58:19.920 --> 00:58:22.360 when all this came to fruition, somebody said, like, do 1229 00:58:22.400 --> 00:58:24.199 you remember that time you were playing with that weird 1230 00:58:24.320 --> 00:58:25.840 piece of wood with the nails in it? And he 1231 00:58:25.960 --> 00:58:27.880 was like, yeah, yeah, I was thinking about that way 1232 00:58:27.960 --> 00:58:29.840 back then. I was writing stuff in a notebook and 1233 00:58:29.920 --> 00:58:32.639 I had this

weird vision of a guy with nails 1234 00:58:32.679 --> 00:58:35.159 in his face, and I was thinking, how would I 1235 00:58:35.239 --> 00:58:39.840 shoot that with light to make the nails look a 1236 00:58:39.960 --> 00:58:41.360 certain way? And he was like, yeah, I don't know, 1237 00:58:41.440 --> 00:58:43.920 I just have he talks about nightmares he had. I 1238 00:58:43.920 --> 00:58:45.679 don't know if the dude messed with like some sort 1239 00:58:45.679 --> 00:58:49.960 of drugs or psychedelics, but like he talks really vividly 1240 00:58:50.159 --> 00:58:54.000 about a lot of dreams and not nightmare sorry that 1241 00:58:54.119 --> 00:58:56.400 he's had, and he's like, it's inspired a lot of 1242 00:58:56.480 --> 00:58:58.960 my artwork and a lot of my A lot of 1243 00:58:59.039 --> 00:59:03.360 things that I put on paper or in something were 1244 00:59:03.440 --> 00:59:06.119 things that I seen in nightmares, just like Wes Craven. 1245 00:59:06.360 --> 00:59:09.199 Wes Craven had weird dreams and stuff like that. And 1246 00:59:09.280 --> 00:59:11.960 then I always wonder like maybe psychodolgs or was he 1247 00:59:12.119 --> 00:59:14.960 himself messing around the occult, you know, even just the 1248 00:59:15.039 --> 00:59:16.639 basics of Fiji board or. 1249 00:59:16.639 --> 00:59:17.039 Something like that. 1250 00:59:17.159 --> 00:59:19.679 But you can, like at the time the spiritualism and 1251 00:59:19.800 --> 00:59:22.480 like after the Crowley stuff, like there's possibly that people 1252 00:59:22.519 --> 00:59:24.920 could mess around with some really dark stuff like chaos, magic, 1253 00:59:25.039 --> 00:59:28.519 left right hand path. You don't know what these people 1254 00:59:28.599 --> 00:59:31.800 were doing, you know, getting these ideas or it's this 1255 00:59:31.920 --> 00:59:33.960 idea of like are your thoughts your own or are 1256 00:59:34.000 --> 00:59:36.840 they just plopped in your head from other spaces outside 1257 00:59:36.880 --> 00:59:37.119 of us? 1258 00:59:37.239 --> 00:59:40.400 Right, it's an interesting thing to think about. How do 1259 00:59:40.400 --> 00:59:42.159 you feel about the end of this movie? So I 1260 00:59:42.320 --> 00:59:44.719 forgot how kind of wild the end of the movie 1261 00:59:44.840 --> 00:59:47.159 gets so basically what we're talking about here has we 1262 00:59:47.239 --> 00:59:51.280 come to a clause is when when Larry ends up 1263 00:59:51.880 --> 00:59:53.519 or I don't know if Julia leads him in there 1264 00:59:53.599 --> 00:59:57.840 or whatever way it happens. But oh the twist, Frank 1265 00:59:58.000 --> 01:00:01.719 basically takes over Larry, like kills Larry and takes over 1266 01:00:01.800 --> 01:00:02.239 his body. 1267 01:00:03.039 --> 01:00:05.400 Yeah, man, and then you think he's got. 1268 01:00:04.880 --> 01:00:08.480 That was played, dude. I thought the last twenty minutes 1269 01:00:08.480 --> 01:00:11.239 of this movie were played so good. Like there when

1270 01:00:11.320 --> 01:00:17.440 the when the dad is basically Frank, Yeah it's evil, right, Yeah, 1271 01:00:17.559 --> 01:00:18.920 like when when he's doing. 1272 01:00:18.880 --> 01:00:22.360 Like the evil Larry because it's like he tok, yeah. 1273 01:00:22.360 --> 01:00:25.320 When he's doing this stuff with a daughter and a dude, 1274 01:00:25.360 --> 01:00:26.360 it's he's. 1275 01:00:26.599 --> 01:00:29.400 Comes to daddy and that's when she realizes it is 1276 01:00:29.480 --> 01:00:31.599 an interesting, weird like I really remember when he gets 1277 01:00:31.639 --> 01:00:33.719 ripped apart by all the chains and stuff like that 1278 01:00:33.880 --> 01:00:37.760 too of essentially his karma going back to the the 1279 01:00:37.840 --> 01:00:41.679 hellscape world. And then but they pined almost decides that 1280 01:00:41.760 --> 01:00:44.920 he wants what's her name anyway because they have no 1281 01:00:45.039 --> 01:00:47.239 they're not playing by the rules of anything, right, and 1282 01:00:47.320 --> 01:00:47.719 then they have. 1283 01:00:47.760 --> 01:00:49.679 To kind of well, it's that thing of like I 1284 01:00:50.119 --> 01:00:52.639 listened to Clive talk about this, and someone asked them 1285 01:00:52.639 --> 01:00:54.440 about that. They're like, yeah, but why what's the thing 1286 01:00:54.519 --> 01:00:57.599 with the center bites And he was like, so the 1287 01:00:57.719 --> 01:01:01.559 intention there was there there so that the box basically 1288 01:01:01.639 --> 01:01:04.440 is not evil. It's just seen as a key or 1289 01:01:04.559 --> 01:01:08.239 potentially a door wi soliventate summons the cenobites obviously, and 1290 01:01:08.599 --> 01:01:11.840 the Cenobytes believe that anyone who has opened it is 1291 01:01:11.920 --> 01:01:16.440 basically seeking these extreme sensations that they offer. And he 1292 01:01:16.559 --> 01:01:18.800 was like, so they're of that mind. So there is 1293 01:01:18.920 --> 01:01:21.880 no like convincing them, There is no pleading with them. 1294 01:01:22.000 --> 01:01:23.519 There is no like, wait a hold on a. 1295 01:01:23.480 --> 01:01:25.239 Second, yeah, Because she's like I didn't know what I 1296 01:01:25.440 --> 01:01:25.840 was doing. 1297 01:01:27.519 --> 01:01:29.440 Yeah, And he was like, I didn't want. I wanted 1298 01:01:29.480 --> 01:01:31.559 it to be like they're like, there is no like 1299 01:01:31.639 --> 01:01:35.719 I don't care. Yeah, this is the way we operate. Yeah, 1300 01:01:38.840 --> 01:01:41.440 And that's exactly he says that I think verbadim. He says, 1301 01:01:41.480 --> 01:01:44.199 you open the box. We came and it's basically a 1302 01:01:44.280 --> 01:01:46.960 thing of like it's a matter of fact, that's what happens. 1303 01:01:47.039 --> 01:01:49.639 We show up and I didn't realize. So the thing 1304 01:01:49.719 --> 01:01:54.199 is obviously called them the Lament configuration and supposedly lament 1305 01:01:54.719 --> 01:01:58.239 is it means an expression of grief or sorrow? Yeah, 1306 01:01:58.480 --> 01:02:02.719 so I think the allure is like, generally speaking, the 1307 01:02:02.800 --> 01:02:06.239 box will end up in hands of like broken people. Yeah, 1308 01:02:06.440 --> 01:02:09.800 and it's only kind of the broken or people with issues, 1309 01:02:09.840 --> 01:02:12.800 which probably is most people anyway, will be the ones 1310 01:02:12.880 --> 01:02:14.719 curious enough to go, I wonder if I fuck around 1311 01:02:14.760 --> 01:02:18.400 with this one actually happens here like you, Yeah, it's 1312 01:02:18.480 --> 01:02:20.840 like you said, like about you know, people may be 1313 01:02:20.960 --> 01:02:24.440 messing around with things, and and it's like, is it 1314 01:02:24.519 --> 01:02:27.360 only a certain type of person that it will react 1315 01:02:27.519 --> 01:02:28.039 to you? 1316 01:02:28.239 --> 01:02:30.639 Because it goes to my conspiracy brain too obviously stuck 1317 01:02:30.760 --> 01:02:33.639 with this saturn called stuff and that is everywhere like 1318 01:02:33.800 --> 01:02:37.119 black Rock the Company, like it's and in this movie 1319 01:02:37.320 --> 01:02:39.360 it's so weird. But he also has like so many 1320 01:02:39.559 --> 01:02:42.360 iconic lines like what's that one where he's like, do. 1321 01:02:42.480 --> 01:02:45.880 I look like somebody who cares what God thinks? 1322 01:02:47.239 --> 01:02:47.440 Dude? 1323 01:02:47.840 --> 01:02:50.320 That one of my songs actually, because it's so like 1324 01:02:50.599 --> 01:02:52.960 just iconic. It's in one of my early songs, like 1325 01:02:53.079 --> 01:02:53.840 years and years ago. 1326 01:02:54.800 --> 01:02:59.400 Over this series, I want to at some point pull 1327 01:02:59.480 --> 01:03:02.639 together ma be some of his iconic lines because there 1328 01:03:02.719 --> 01:03:05.880 is so many cool ones and like, I can't even 1329 01:03:05.920 --> 01:03:09.920 remember the movie specifically, right, So that for me, you 1330 01:03:10.239 --> 01:03:12.559 talked about this, right, So for anyone listening to the audio, 1331 01:03:13.280 --> 01:03:15.719 we're also obviously we have a video aspect of the 1332 01:03:16.039 --> 01:03:18.039 podcast as well, so if you're on YouTube or Rumble 1333 01:03:18.119 --> 01:03:19.800 or anywhere like that, it will be there if you 1334 01:03:19.880 --> 01:03:21.800 do want to look at these, but you've probably already 1335 01:03:21.840 --> 01:03:24.440 seen it anyway. But I don't know if I get 1336 01:03:24.559 --> 01:03:27.519 taken down off YouTube for stuff like this. But it's 1337 01:03:27.559 --> 01:03:29.360 the scene that Tom was talking about right at the 1338 01:03:29.559 --> 01:03:35.559 end where basically Frank, who was in Larry's body pin heads. Yeah, 1339 01:03:35.639 --> 01:03:37.679 he basically puts all the chains with the hooks on 1340 01:03:37.800 --> 01:03:39.920 him and it's all attached to his face, right, and 1341

01:03:40.039 --> 01:03:41.920 his teeth are all fucked up in like yellow and 1342 01:03:42.039 --> 01:03:45.440 brown and stuff, and it's basically about to rip him apart, 1343 01:03:45.559 --> 01:03:47.840 but he does this really weird thing where he sticks 1344 01:03:47.880 --> 01:03:50.480 his tongue out and he licks his lips first, yeah, 1345 01:03:50.519 --> 01:03:55.559 and then he smiles at Kirsty, which is fucking terrifying, 1346 01:03:56.199 --> 01:04:00.920 and then he just goes Jesus sweat just gets pulled apart. 1347 01:04:01.119 --> 01:04:05.360 I think that is another massively iconic and just I 1348 01:04:05.400 --> 01:04:07.679 don't know, every time I look at that picture, that 1349 01:04:08.000 --> 01:04:09.159 is unsettling. 1350 01:04:10.159 --> 01:04:10.719 No, it's fine. 1351 01:04:10.920 --> 01:04:15.079 There's like multiple versions on YouTube for free, so it's like, yeah, 1352 01:04:15.119 --> 01:04:17.000 how they get that's so fine? Then they'll like try 1353 01:04:17.079 --> 01:04:20.079 to flag people for the dumbest stuff we got. We 1354 01:04:20.119 --> 01:04:24.440 got flagged for like nudity for the general butt naked episode, 1355 01:04:24.559 --> 01:04:27.719 and it's literally like it's fake AI. There's no Wiener 1356 01:04:27.800 --> 01:04:30.480 in the picture at all. It's just and I've seen 1357 01:04:30.599 --> 01:04:32.960 worse things on YouTube, and it's. 1358 01:04:33.039 --> 01:04:37.159 I did also see people were given out about, you know, 1359 01:04:37.360 --> 01:04:40.519 like the special effects towards the end, where like there's 1360 01:04:40.559 --> 01:04:43.079 like blue lightning and sparks and stuff coming out of 1361 01:04:43.159 --> 01:04:45.960 the box and like moving around. If you listen to 1362 01:04:46.079 --> 01:04:49.360 the it's actually up on YouTube. I think the director's commentary. 1363 01:04:49.440 --> 01:04:52.440 It's basically Clive and the writer Peter Atkins, who have 1364 01:04:52.480 --> 01:04:54.519 had on the show, are talking, you know about the 1365 01:04:54.599 --> 01:04:55.960 movie and whatever, and they get to that in part 1366 01:04:56.000 --> 01:04:58.159 and Basic Live says, look, we got to the end 1367 01:04:58.159 --> 01:05:00.960 of the movie and we had seven hundred dollars left, 1368 01:05:02.039 --> 01:05:07.000 and he was like, me and another guy just basically 1369 01:05:07.079 --> 01:05:08.880 sat in the room and we had to just make 1370 01:05:09.360 --> 01:05:11.760 the special effects ourselves. We had no money, and the 1371 01:05:11.800 --> 01:05:14.039 studio wouldn't give us anything else. But he was like, 1372 01:05:14.119 --> 01:05:16.800 the reason those sparks and that the lightning and stuff 1373 01:05:16.840 --> 01:05:20.599 that comes out look grim, yeah, is because we didn't 1374 01:05:20.639 --> 01:05:23.119 have any money and the studio wouldn't budget and wouldn't 1375 01:05:23.119 --> 01:05:25.039 give us any more money. Of course,

he's like, we've 1376 01:05:25.079 --> 01:05:27.199 done that ourselves. And you know that the part where 1377 01:05:27.280 --> 01:05:29.519 she's running down the hall and the engineer thing or 1378 01:05:29.559 --> 01:05:32.800 whatever it is, that creepy thing the real So if 1379 01:05:32.800 --> 01:05:34.480 you look at that in slow motion, you can actually 1380 01:05:34.519 --> 01:05:37.639 see the guy pushing it on rails. Oh, you can 1381 01:05:37.679 --> 01:05:39.960 see that. Yeah, you can see the guy's elbows sticking 1382 01:05:40.000 --> 01:05:41.800 out from the side like where he's pushing it along 1383 01:05:41.840 --> 01:05:43.679 on wheels. But they created that, I think with like 1384 01:05:43.760 --> 01:05:46.079 five hundred dollars or something. That was like he was like, 1385 01:05:46.159 --> 01:05:49.079 we had no money and like we had to put 1386 01:05:49.119 --> 01:05:51.840 something in and it was like, now, I think right 1387 01:05:52.480 --> 01:05:54.320 to be able to pull something like that together with 1388 01:05:54.480 --> 01:05:56.920 like five hundred dollars whatever, it's pretty good going Like 1389 01:05:56.960 --> 01:05:59.599 it doesn't look so bad considering it was an eighties movie. 1390 01:06:00.039 --> 01:06:01.440 But like he was like, I know a lot of 1391 01:06:01.480 --> 01:06:03.519 people are like upset and annoyed about that, but he 1392 01:06:03.599 --> 01:06:05.920 was like it was literally just have to remember I 1393 01:06:06.000 --> 01:06:09.280 was a first time director. We got an extremely small budget. 1394 01:06:09.320 --> 01:06:12.039 The entire thing was basically shot in the house. Give 1395 01:06:12.119 --> 01:06:12.800 us some credit. 1396 01:06:12.960 --> 01:06:15.159 Yeah, it's a it's a pretty epic ending, I would say, 1397 01:06:15.320 --> 01:06:18.320 And it's just like, obviously it gets kind of weird 1398 01:06:18.480 --> 01:06:20.719 also at the end with the dragon. 1399 01:06:20.599 --> 01:06:22.840 Thing, and it's like there's yeah, that was a bit. 1400 01:06:22.840 --> 01:06:23.519 It wasn't for me. 1401 01:06:24.440 --> 01:06:26.960 It's so it's like the end of Barbarian right where 1402 01:06:27.000 --> 01:06:29.079 I wanted to like that movie, and then it's like 1403 01:06:29.840 --> 01:06:33.000 Creature Grabs is so weird, you know. 1404 01:06:33.159 --> 01:06:34.440 Get Get Aaron's book. 1405 01:06:34.639 --> 01:06:36.719 I even told him that I've read most of it 1406 01:06:37.159 --> 01:06:40.320 and I really enjoy it, but I'm skipping over stuff 1407 01:06:40.320 --> 01:06:42.280 either I haven't seen. There's some stuff I read that 1408 01:06:42.360 --> 01:06:44.440 I haven't seen the movie that I'm like, it actually 1409 01:06:44.480 --> 01:06:48.199 intrigued me to want to watch the movie. But when 1410 01:06:48.239 --> 01:06:50.679 you start going on about Halloween ends, and I was like, 1411 01:06:50.719 --> 01:06:56.239 I can't read this because I wouldn't be angry, just kidding, controversial, 1412 01:06:56.480 --> 01:06:59.039 I know, well, I haven't fully watched it, so I 1413 01:06:59.119 --> 01:06:59.920 need to fully watch. 1414 01:07:00.239 --> 01:07:01.639 I thought we were going to do a watch along 1415 01:07:01.719 --> 01:07:01.920 of it. 1416 01:07:02.079 --> 01:07:05.079 To both I would I would like to do that because. 1417 01:07:04.800 --> 01:07:06.800 Like, there's part of me because it's Michael Myerson wants 1418 01:07:06.840 --> 01:07:08.679 to watch it, but I that's the only horror movie 1419 01:07:08.719 --> 01:07:10.840 and Michael Meiers movie ever that I turned off like 1420 01:07:10.960 --> 01:07:12.440 halfway because I'm like, this is not what. 1421 01:07:12.559 --> 01:07:14.880 I don't like this, but maybe I need to give. 1422 01:07:14.760 --> 01:07:16.960 Another I didn't like. I didn't like any of the 1423 01:07:17.079 --> 01:07:22.119 trilogy at any point, but I've slowly warmed to aspects 1424 01:07:22.119 --> 01:07:22.320 of it. 1425 01:07:22.440 --> 01:07:25.039 Much like this series, the first one and then it got. 1426 01:07:24.920 --> 01:07:27.719 Week I can give it credit for certain things. But 1427 01:07:29.360 --> 01:07:31.840 where would you rate this on an out of ten 1428 01:07:32.079 --> 01:07:35.559 pin heads? What would you give this one? I think 1429 01:07:35.599 --> 01:07:37.639 it'll be interesting to see the progression as we go 1430 01:07:37.760 --> 01:07:40.800 through the series. How bad your scores will get out 1431 01:07:40.840 --> 01:07:41.880 of this one? 1432 01:07:42.199 --> 01:07:43.079 What's that chicks name? 1433 01:07:45.599 --> 01:07:45.800 Yeah? 1434 01:07:45.920 --> 01:07:49.599 Sure getting ten out of ten pins? What would you 1435 01:07:49.639 --> 01:07:49.880 give it? 1436 01:07:51.000 --> 01:07:53.320 For a nostalgia aspect of it? And how many times 1437 01:07:53.360 --> 01:07:55.559 I've watched it? I would probably give it like a nine. Man. 1438 01:07:56.320 --> 01:07:58.000 Yeah, I was gonna say like an eight or nine 1439 01:07:58.039 --> 01:08:00.559 here because I don't know. I forgot like it's actually 1440 01:08:00.639 --> 01:08:02.719 quite good. And I know I know a lot of 1441 01:08:02.760 --> 01:08:04.760 people say, oh, pin ahead and the sender bites are 1442 01:08:04.800 --> 01:08:07.760 not reading the villains. It's Frank and Julia and yeah, 1443 01:08:07.760 --> 01:08:09.679 you're probably right, and you know what, that's actually not 1444 01:08:09.800 --> 01:08:11.800 a bad no, No, they're quite good villains. 1445 01:08:11.920 --> 01:08:13.280 Yeah, I agree. I liked it a lot. 1446 01:08:13.719 --> 01:08:16.399 I'm excited to get into this and get into this 1447 01:08:16.520 --> 01:08:18.960 series because you know, I guess even if some are 1448 01:08:19.000 --> 01:08:21.039 pretty horrible, it might be interesting to watch. 1449 01:08:21.079 --> 01:08:23.439 And I think it'll be fun. I think people appreciate it, 1450

01:08:23.560 --> 01:08:26.720 and I think maybe people will will help them discover 1451 01:08:26.920 --> 01:08:29.159 maybe other little things about the movies that they didn't 1452 01:08:29.159 --> 01:08:31.840 think about. I can guarantee you that some people are 1453 01:08:31.880 --> 01:08:34.000 going to listen to this episode and go I did 1454 01:08:34.079 --> 01:08:36.199 not expect to go into an episode about Hell Razor 1455 01:08:36.319 --> 01:08:38.479 and think about some of the stuff. Yeah, I agree 1456 01:08:38.840 --> 01:08:40.640 that I thought about. And I think that's the exciting 1457 01:08:40.640 --> 01:08:42.439 thing about some of these movies that some of them 1458 01:08:42.479 --> 01:08:44.800 are actually trying to say something and it just gets lost. 1459 01:08:45.279 --> 01:08:50.159 By Aaron's book, these hot take horror hot takes, you know, 1460 01:08:50.399 --> 01:08:52.680 And I'll it'll be up my self soon once I'm 1461 01:08:52.720 --> 01:08:54.079 done reading it. But I got through most of you. 1462 01:08:55.159 --> 01:08:55.640 It was nice. 1463 01:08:55.680 --> 01:09:01.560 You can listen to interesting episodes like our episodes. I'm 1464 01:09:01.600 --> 01:09:04.760 gone like podcast mode now. Chapters like was the Blair, 1465 01:09:04.840 --> 01:09:08.880 which two a misunderstood masterpiece. Let's see, what's another controversy. 1466 01:09:08.920 --> 01:09:10.359 I mean, I've only seen that movie like once. I 1467 01:09:10.479 --> 01:09:11.840 was reading through some of them, like I need to 1468 01:09:11.880 --> 01:09:12.560 watch this movie. 1469 01:09:12.640 --> 01:09:12.880 It does. 1470 01:09:13.199 --> 01:09:16.199 It did make me intrigue to watch some of them, 1471 01:09:16.399 --> 01:09:18.439 Like I liked how you argue that Jurassic Park was 1472 01:09:18.479 --> 01:09:20.880 a like a horror movie. So it's like it's a 1473 01:09:21.039 --> 01:09:22.800 it's an interesting book. It was nice to read that 1474 01:09:23.399 --> 01:09:25.279 at the cottage when I had time and I could 1475 01:09:25.319 --> 01:09:27.640 sit and relax, and I read it in Aaron's accent, 1476 01:09:28.159 --> 01:09:29.960 and then you know, it's just like it was a 1477 01:09:30.079 --> 01:09:33.079 nice escape from my book about Epstein being controlled by 1478 01:09:33.199 --> 01:09:34.159 some ancient cult ess. 1479 01:09:34.159 --> 01:09:35.199 Actually I was reading. 1480 01:09:36.239 --> 01:09:40.399 There's also a chapter in it called why everyone was 1481 01:09:40.439 --> 01:09:42.840 wrong about the Silent Hill movie the first one, And 1482 01:09:43.159 --> 01:09:47.119 me and Tom done two very good episodes about Silent 1483 01:09:47.199 --> 01:09:50.159 till the first two movies, and maybe at some point 1484 01:09:50.199 --> 01:09:55.479 we'll do return to Silent Tale. But it might be 1485 01:09:55.520 --> 01:09:57.520 interesting to end this on. 1486 01:09:58.199 --> 01:10:01.720 I watched Home with Pete. David's

in that movie is fucked. 1487 01:10:01.800 --> 01:10:03.880 Man. Have you seen it? 1488 01:10:04.079 --> 01:10:06.960 Please watch it? You have to watch it. 1489 01:10:07.399 --> 01:10:10.239 It is so absurd that I feel like we could 1490 01:10:10.359 --> 01:10:13.119 cover it just how like, and it's Pete Davidson. We 1491 01:10:13.159 --> 01:10:14.800 gonna do half an hour to forty minutes on this 1492 01:10:15.119 --> 01:10:17.520 because I think you need to watch it, because I 1493 01:10:17.520 --> 01:10:19.039 think you're gonna be like, what the fuck am I 1494 01:10:19.119 --> 01:10:21.640 watching near the end, because it's it gets good and 1495 01:10:21.720 --> 01:10:25.520 then it just it goes really weird, and it's Pete Davidson. 1496 01:10:27.039 --> 01:10:29.000 It's so strange. I can't believe it got through the 1497 01:10:29.039 --> 01:10:29.520 whole film. 1498 01:10:29.560 --> 01:10:33.520 But it's like very bizarre, weird twists and turns, but 1499 01:10:33.640 --> 01:10:35.680 then it doesn't make sense. It's one of the weirdest 1500 01:10:35.680 --> 01:10:37.960 things I've watched recently, So I think you should check 1501 01:10:38.000 --> 01:10:38.239 it out. 1502 01:10:38.319 --> 01:10:41.880 Interesting. If you've gotten this fire, we appreciate you. As 1503 01:10:42.039 --> 01:10:46.560 always listen what you thought of the first hell redser 1504 01:10:46.680 --> 01:10:51.000 movie and look forward to the entire series. We're gonna 1505 01:10:51.000 --> 01:10:53.800 have an episode on every single movie in the series. 1506 01:10:54.600 --> 01:10:58.279 Will sure, kid. 1507 01:10:58.279 --> 01:10:59.720 I was gonna say, I was gonna I was actually 1508 01:10:59.720 --> 01:11:01.640 gonna in the episode right on that, but now he's 1509 01:11:01.680 --> 01:11:03.279 just completely thrown off. I thought he was gonna do 1510 01:11:03.279 --> 01:11:06.119 something cool or something, but of course I remember, guys, 1511 01:11:06.199 --> 01:11:11.439 this is Tom so yes, just kidding, but yeah, rate 1512 01:11:11.479 --> 01:11:14.039 and review all that good stuff for you judges on Instagram, 1513 01:11:14.119 --> 01:11:17.279 which is where we're most active, make sure and go 1514 01:11:17.439 --> 01:11:20.039 and support strange real podcasts and all the stuff that 1515 01:11:20.159 --> 01:11:22.279 Tom is doing over there. And there's a lot of 1516 01:11:22.319 --> 01:11:26.479 cool episodes we'll be doing coming up, conspiracies, paranormal cryptids, 1517 01:11:26.840 --> 01:11:27.800 all that sort of stuff. 1518 01:11:27.880 --> 01:11:30.279 So yeah, speaking of how we did do yeah, if 1519 01:11:30.279 --> 01:11:32.079 it's up your alley, we just even did an episode 1520 01:11:32.079 --> 01:11:34.479 recently about the hell Fire Club, so it kind of 1521 01:11:34.640 --> 01:11:37.239 is in the same realm of weird occult stuff that 1522 01:11:37.359 --> 01:11:38.680 is probably actually real, so. 1523 01:11:40.199 --> 01:11:42.720 Very interesting episode and we do, you know, a lot 1524 01:11:42.720 --> 01:11:44.600 of deep dives into stuff like that, So if that's 1525 01:11:44.640 --> 01:11:46.680 your bag, go over there and check that out as well. 1526 01:11:47.199 --> 01:11:50.640 And yeah, as always appreciate you guys like shares. All 1527 01:11:50.720 --> 01:11:53.920 that stuff really helps. Recommending the podcast, righting the podcast, 1528 01:11:54.199 --> 01:11:59.840 All that stuff helps, and me and Tom can live 1529 01:12:00.000 --> 01:12:03.159 off of this. And yes, also do what Tom said. Yes, 1530 01:12:04.399 --> 01:12:06.439 I think I wrote that on on on the inside 1531 01:12:06.479 --> 01:12:07.239 of the book I gave you. 1532 01:12:07.520 --> 01:12:08.199 It's so funny. 1533 01:12:08.520 --> 01:12:10.920 I think I thought was kind of funny. But yes, 1534 01:12:11.239 --> 01:12:13.600 you won't know what what I wrote in the book. 1535 01:12:13.439 --> 01:12:15.920 So that's actually sure to sign. So if you guys, 1536 01:12:16.239 --> 01:12:18.199 even I was like, maybe I need to take that down. 1537 01:12:19.079 --> 01:12:21.199 Stay horny for horror. It's a Class Horror cast, so 1538 01:12:21.680 --> 01:12:23.880 I need to get that. Actually it's a funny shirt. 1539 01:12:23.880 --> 01:12:25.840 I gotta make a new one, though maybe a little better. 1540 01:12:26.840 --> 01:12:29.439 Where I still left For all these years of podcasts 1541 01:12:29.479 --> 01:12:32.279 and I still haven't figured out how to end a podcast. 1542 01:12:32.520 --> 01:12:36.840 So I'm going to say goodbye now and slong a 1543 01:12:36.960 --> 01:12:39.600 fall and go and figure out what that means. It's irish, 1544 01:12:39.680 --> 01:12:40.439 So goodbye. 1545 01:12:47.720 --> 01:12:51.000 Thanks for listening to another episode of Class Harder Cast. 1546 01:12:51.439 --> 01:12:56.159 Stop the CHC podcast at classaror cast dot com, at 1547 01:12:56.279 --> 01:13:00.159 First Class Horror, on Instagram to talk and YouTube, or 1548 01:13:00.279 --> 01:13:04.840 on Twitter and Class Underscore Horror. The CC podcast is 1549 01:13:04.880 --> 01:13:09.239 hosted and produced by Aaron Doyle and is an fcch production.