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speaker-0: Yell boys don't cry. Heroes don't die.
speaker-1: Yeah.
speaker-0: They just walk in the sky. So
speaker-1: I got the results of the test back. I definitely have a delusional mind. No.
speaker-0: You were the last mentally strong of us. Imagine us in a canoe and doing that. That's like what happens in this movie. Or yeah, but I mean, in regards to this movie, they just do a lot of screaming. ⁓ In a canoe. It was really funny. That's really funny. Anyway, ⁓ this is the Center Moreau Sponge. I am Travis, of course. Psst.
speaker-1: Play football. I'm Noah. Of course.
speaker-0: Of course, and we are, of course, missing John because he is in a production of a play.
speaker-1: And to give a quick review of that, it was fucking awesome. So proud of him. He got an award for a hundred productions and it was just a great night all around. So shout out to John. He's occupying my brain.
speaker-0: Okay. And so this is a podcast where we indulge our delusions.
speaker-1: Right. There it is. Yeah, absolutely. This shows this show is nothing if not delusions.
speaker-0: Tak. ⁓ it yeah. Yeah. No, you I can't argue with that at all. We want to be rich and famous, but like this is the show that we were given, so we're just doing the best we can. This is like the Polish turd version of a movie podcast show. Like you're like, yeah, that looks great, but it's still a turd.
speaker-1: What are we supposed to do now? W what are what are what more can you do? You can only make it so round. See the edge
speaker-0: To make it shiny round off all the the lumps. But still, like deep down it's a turd.
speaker-1: You think you think we're our show is a turd?
speaker-0: ⁓ yeah, it's a 100% turn. Come on. ⁓
speaker-1: It's time for introspection and reality check.
speaker-0: But it's fine. ⁓ sometimes that's just what people want. I assert right. And so we give ⁓ what they want. Turds. Turds. Here's a turd for your face, you idiots. I want a turd. ⁓ okay. So y obviously today, if it's not obvious already, ⁓ we are going to be talking about twenty twenty three's Big Shark.
speaker-1: I agree. A big shark. Big shar just big shark.
speaker-0: ⁓ did I say the? no genuine.
speaker-1: No, no, it's just y you said it correct. It's just funny. It's just so blunt. It's just What's this movie about? Fucking Big Shark.
speaker-0: Big shark. Well, it's about everything, I think. It's about bars. It's about drinking. It's about firefighting. It's about life.
speaker-1: It's about that A hero's
speaker-0: You would think that it's about being nice to each other, but
speaker-1: It's really not. It's about having sketchy friends.
speaker-0: Not really, yeah. Yes. It it ⁓ before we get into that though, let's ⁓ let's dip into a little bit of what we've been ⁓ watching.
speaker-1: See, I want you to go first because you you teed off before we started just this very ⁓ enticing tee.
speaker-0: He's okay. S okay. Okay. Okay. So I watched okay. ⁓ we went to the coast over the weekend. Great, great time. And what we tend to do when we go ⁓ to the coast ⁓ and hang out with my ⁓ father in law is ⁓ watch a movie. He wanted to watch something that was, you know, like a little outside of his realm of comfortability. Good for him. ⁓ and so we we put on this movie called Buffet Infinity, which is ⁓ a movie that we've heard great things about for the last couple months. I don't know how to describe what we watched.
speaker-1: familiar with this at all, so please indulge us. Okay.
speaker-0: it is told like then the the narrative device of this movie is d done through really crappy local commercials. Okay. I'm I'm trying yeah, ⁓ I'm I'm trying to. It's just really hard to wrap my head around what we saw. So these really crappy commercials are ⁓ how
speaker-1: Say more.
speaker-0: People are communicating to the general populace that something bad is happening in this town. And the bad thing is also using crappy commercials to communicate to the people that what is happening is not that bad. I don't know how else to describe it. It's it's done in a way that like it really doesn't unfold. What is going on until about halfway through when you're like, ⁓ fuck. These guys are battling like an ancient evil that has shown up through the sinkhole. And the sinkhole evil has ⁓ like embroiled some members of this town to get involved in its own demise. ⁓ just I don't know how else to describe it other than that. It's like it it very much a very high concept. ⁓ my father-in-law hated it, but my wife and I thought it was so fucking good and so clever.
speaker-1: You two were just gripped. And he was just like
speaker-0: Well, I don't I wouldn't yeah, I wouldn't say that we were gripped. It was maybe. ⁓ God. It's it's just like one of those high concepts that make you feel so smart when you figure out what it is that's happening.
speaker-1: Sometimes that's enough. ⁓
speaker-0: And yeah, and if somebody else is in the room that doesn't get it, that gives you the chance to like be a real douchebag. Yeah. And say actually actually it's about women's rights or the suffragettes.
speaker-1: Ya. But the sinkhole. It's about a sinkhole.
speaker-0: So it does I mean, if you're like a a douche, this is a real great opportunity for you to explain to people that ⁓ are watching it with you what you think is going on.
speaker-1: As if I need another reason to be a douchebag.
speaker-0: Yeah. I'm not even doing this movie justice. Like I am I am s really struggling to wrap my head around ⁓ this movie even a week after watching it. My wife and I talked about it ⁓ all week long. I think that it's I think that it's brilliant. ⁓ like in the ⁓ the like the narrative structure they use to tell the story. I I'm at a loss. Like I am seriously at a loss in how to describe This movie. That being said, ⁓ I think that it's a great double feature ⁓ with backrooms, which I watched for the first time.
speaker-1: ⁓ nice. Yeah, I was gonna say this the the commercial
speaker-0:
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Liminal space and ⁓ these these things that are happening to the small town that you really can't describe or explain. What did you think of what I think of backrooms? Yeah. I thought it I thought it was good. I don't think that it was as good as it I was led to believe.
speaker-1: It got it got ⁓ overblown, I think, but also I had a great time in the theater. I thought I was I was totally on board with it. ⁓ you know, you go and you're like, This is gonna be a vibes piece, and it absolutely was.
speaker-0: It is it is totally a vibes ⁓ picture. ⁓ I think Kane Kane Parsons did a wonderful job in creating a ⁓ like a feeling of dread without ⁓ without showing anything. So kind of like Blair Witch. Yeah where you're you know like Blair Witch was just like wandering through the forest and you weren't really sure what was gonna happen next, where Chi Wittel was wandering through this like liminal space. And you weren't really sure what was happening. It was just like these weird, creepy images. ⁓ like really good. Just not as good as I was I was hoping it would be. And like the the big reveal as to like what the liminal space is, ⁓ was kind of a let down for me.
speaker-1: Certainly. At least like what powers are kind of involved and what's going on. Yeah. I I had I'm not super familiar with the broader Brack Room's fucking extended lore or whatever, but I do remember, you know, several years ago seeing like some of his like his ⁓ videos, just like the the POV like found footage shots, and there is something eerie about it. I even back then I was like there is something eerie about this Whatever this is, I haven't dove into all of what it means or whatever, but neither does he. A lot of that stuff has developed separate from Kane. Yep. Which I find interesting. So he's just like, I'm just doing what I set out to do with a bigger budget and with great actors. ⁓ even when it kind of devolves into more traditional horror, I still thought he did a great job. I I was I was on the edge of my seat several times. I think the obvious standout sequence is the found footage sequence. We've seen the thousand found footage things, but I thought he did a g excellent job creating dread from that bit in the middle when they're going down the chute. ⁓ I was just totally glued.
speaker-0: It has big Alex Garland like through men and Jordan Jordan Peel through us vibes.
speaker-1: Yeah, and that's a great vibe to have. If you can capture that, especially, you know, in your first feature, like fucking kudos to
speaker-0: ⁓ Yeah, he's been writing this since he was in in high school. Or maybe I don't know, he graduated earlier or whatever. The guy seems like a fucking regular old genius. Yeah. One of the mill genius.
speaker-1: making these, you know, very impressionistic just shorts on YouTube and then getting the chance to blow it out to this big production. Yeah, I don't know. I I I would agree that it's not like this amazing immaculate film, but I I enjoy the hell out
of it and my top twenty for the year
speaker-0: This kid is one and made this movie are talking about and going to be talking about for a very long time. Yeah. Like he's pretty I mean it's pretty impressive. Yeah.
speaker-1: And it's so competent. Like I It's it's I I I am rooting for these young directors that are coming up. Like I obviously I we need a new generation of great filmmakers to replace the last. And it's just cool to see that we're finally getting some stuff, even if, you know, they might be overblown because of that angle, maybe in the per the public perception, but it's still great to see.
speaker-0: They're coming from, I think we're gonna see this more often. It's directors coming from these like non-conventional avenues. So, like Curry Barker made ⁓ a lot of shorts that ended up on Instagram, and ⁓ you know, Kane ⁓ released some stuff on YouTube. So we're seeing these these guys, these people guys, I don't mean to say guys. ⁓ these people that are working in like non-traditional avenues making a career in film based on just ideas they have and I I really think that is I don't know. I think it's I think it's great. Like it's like the great equalizer of film. Like accessibility means more good stories are going to be told and heard. If that makes sense.
speaker-1: Absolutely. And it seems to be fairly at least this year, like the narrative is regarding hor the horror genre, which I'm cool with. You know, I love the horror genre, but ⁓ the more that smaller, more untested directors get a chance to tell their stories, I think we're gonna see a larger variety of things come out. I think just right now in the times we're living in, horror is just on the pulse of our collective anxiety. And so it's just it's extra effective right now. It's just a great way to handle ⁓ big topics in a in an appealing way.
speaker-0: Well, horror is so versatile, you can attach just about any theme onto a horror genre and you have ⁓ you know, like a cinematographer that is looking to make their their bones in ⁓ the the film business and so they can like try and experience a lot of things. ⁓ I d I don't know, I think like horror is such a fun and like unique way. I'm I'm sounding like an idiot, ⁓ because I haven't really thought about my thoughts about horror, but I do love the genre so much and and how ⁓ you can like be free to tell a really good story. That sounds dumb. ⁓ I'll take this out.
speaker-1: No, I know what you're saying. ⁓ everyone in the the discourse wants to pair Curry Barker and King Parsons together just 'cause they're young. But I think if you actually look at
speaker-0: Like when you think about like James Wan and Mike Flanagan who have been in the horror space for a very long time and then the movies that they're making and the cinematography that they ⁓ have employed in those movies or their movies, ⁓ I I just think it's in it's incredible. Like there's a lot of freedom in horror.
speaker-1: Absolutely. I was just gonna say they're
they're vastly different. Like obsession and backrooms, despite kind of being like artificially paired together, they're so distinct in what they're trying to do and how they do it. And they're both very competent.
speaker-0: On the you know, this this same year we saw Iron Lung, which was ⁓ Mar Markiplier.
speaker-1: I liked it. Yeah. I liked Iron Long.
speaker-0: So we're seeing but th I guess that's what I'm like building towards is like the trend of I hate to say influencers, but people that have been working in like social media or or YouTube are really getting their their day in the sun.
speaker-1: I also think that if, you know, we think of like really classic directors, you know, like if fucking YouTubers around when John Carpenter was like just starting out, you bet he would be uploading his idea. Like it's just it is the current method to get shorts out. And I think like Sam Raimi would certainly have fucking met on YouTube. Like all these like these really i yeah, like these iconic directors, like it's just what's available today. Yeah. You know, like there wasn't this
speaker-0: ⁓ for sure.
speaker-1: huge gateway avenue to just put stuff out. And I I love Curry Barker's comedy shorts. I think he's hysterical. ⁓ I'm sort of bummed that his next project is takes a changesaw, but I would also I'm very curious to see him put his, you know, personal stamp on it. You know, I just want to see him do or his original shit, but one for them, one for me and all that.
speaker-0: Do you okay, so how do you feel about ⁓ Zack Kregger doing a Resident Evil?
speaker-1: I mean, I think that is delightful just 'cause I know he's a hu he's like a mega fan of it and I think the other movies are dreadful. ⁓ a little bit of a spoiler for the what we've been watching, but we've just me and my friends have just been like over the last few months just going through the hor horrific ⁓ gauntlet of the Resident Evil films and I just think they're just so trash. Yeah. ⁓ and not always in a fun way. So to see him actually do it from an angle of reverence, I am all about it. And he's also like, I'm never doing a franchise movie again because the fan base is insufferable. And I also understand that angle from him. So I hope we can get that. Yeah, I'm like, I guess we can kind of pivot to that for a second. So I he is a huge fan and he's admitted, like, yeah, if I saw as a fan someone doing what I'm doing, just doing something different with my own stamp.
speaker-0: Sure.
speaker-1: I would be pissed off. I'd be like, why aren't you doing this? I'm like, you're not gonna do Resident Evil, the main storyline better than let's say even like Resident Evil 2 remake. You're not gonna do the the beats of the games correctly. So just do something that kind of captures the essence and that's what he's doing. So I'm stoked for it, but people are being obnoxious. ⁓ yeah, because it's just
speaker-0: Like Resident Evil is just like survival horror survival horror.
speaker-1: Yeah, it's he is cap Yeah. He he is capturing like what survival horror is and means and feels like. And I think that is the absolute best way to tackle it. You don't want to see fucking Leon Kennedy in the sp in the fucking police station with his fucking boy band hair in live action. You don't want to do it. So I love I absolutely love the angle that he's taking. And I I'm gonna give him probably get my tickets tonight. ⁓ I'm stoked. But then I'm also glad that after this he's gonna be doing something completely different, you know.
speaker-0: Yeah. I I love this. and this is like right in line with what I would say about the Star Wars universe, where you want or at least I want something outside of the Skywalker ⁓ storyline in in the Star Wars universe. Like I want to see a heist movie or a buddy comedy or a like a buddy cop movie in the Star Wars universe, I think would be a fucking load of fun. But we get so caught up with Skywalker and his his storyline and where everything fits within that, it gets really boring. And think that like what Zack Kreg is doing with ⁓ Resident Evil is a lot of fun because he's taking this world, like this umbrella academy world, and putting this guy who is working within this universe, ⁓ into like a survival story. Which is what the games were about like from the very first game.
speaker-1: Yeah, and he's about capturing the beats. It's about the progression of competency and power and I don't know. I'm just I'm stu and it's like ninety minutes. So it's like it's ⁓ Yeah, fucking nailed it. So I'm I'm excited for it. And I guess to get into the what I've been watching. So on that ben, I've been on I've been on a Clone Wars kick. I've been going back through that show. ⁓ I'm on I'm on the second to last season. And it it it
speaker-0: Nailed it.
speaker-1: despite having like fucking Anakin's in it a lot, there are so many storylines that are just like, we're gonna investigate for a second, this narrative about like a bill being passed and we're gonna go like through the politics and through everything. And it's or like we'll have one arc is about like this like conquest of this planet. And then another arc will just be these random ass characters get swept up and it it does such a good job of just fleshing out the world and not feeling super connected to Like the main story, despite the the main cast being in it, I think that was a good balance. But I just what a I I'm still just I love that series. And it's like every f every few years I just kind of go through it. And despite not every arc landing, like there's definitely like the fucking Mace Windu and Jar Jar arc. I can go without, you know, the for your buddy cop vibes. That's ⁓ not the pairing I would quite ⁓ lean toward initially. But so they don't all end, but overall I just I just absolutely love that show. And then it's it's definitely like a a warm blanket kind of series. And it it kind of touches on the the elements that you're talking about where it
just makes the whole the whole setting feel richer.
speaker-0: So you you're back on Star Wars?
speaker-1: ⁓ I think so, which is I kinda felt like I was out, but I think Maul kinda shaved me back down a little bit. I think it was just like, ⁓ I actually I do still like this. And I'm I guess I could just be a little bit more judicious with what I kinda pick and choose to engage with. Cause there's there's a lot of elements that I just am completely uninterested in. But a lot of the animation side is I I I still enjoy quite a bit. That's the stuff that kind of feels the most true and authentic to me. And we'll see how Starfighter fares. I'll be probably there for Ryan Gosling, but
speaker-0: Or like an early lover of Rada.
speaker-1: I I was at least an early I n understood Rada. I was there for Rada in two thousand and eight. You know. I was I was on the ground floor of Rada, you know.
speaker-0: Was he ripped in two thousand eight?
speaker-1: No, he was a baby. He was he was a little so the the first Clone Wars film, which they were like, George Lucas was like, We w we should release this theatrically and then everyone was like, What? I thought we were making a TV show. And so they crammed it together. And so the the storyline they picked that they'd worked on is the rescuing Routa Hut storyline. And so he's just this little fucking hut worm. And so Anakin and Obi Wan and Ahsoka have to rescue this fucking little kid. And
speaker-0: A little slug guy. I bet he was cute. A little slug guy?
speaker-1: He was cute, but it's just it's very strange. I will send you a picture. It's very strange that there are two Rot of the Hutt movies. That's all. We got to see his ⁓ progression. But yeah, it's like Job of the Hutt's like you must rescue my son. ⁓ course speaking, Hutze. ⁓ Rada That was pretty good. So ⁓ if this was a video podcast, I would put Rod of the Hutt on the screen. Yeah. I've ⁓
speaker-0: That's all I've got. I've got like one or two lines in ⁓ in some accents. And that's it. What do you want from me?
speaker-1: Somac. just that. You're doing just fine. ⁓ I'm sending up a picture of Verata the Hutt for ⁓ sanctimony. But ⁓ what else have you been checking out this week?
speaker-0: ⁓ that's it. ⁓ that's all I wanted to talk about was backrooms. That's a double feature to Buffet Infinity.
speaker-1: ⁓ my other thing, I guess, really quick is my wife ⁓ insisted that ⁓ it's Twilight season, even though I feel like it's a little early. Twilight So we we watched ⁓ the original film, which I still hate, and New Moon, which I actually think is a little bit more competently made. But ⁓ I still I still hate this franchise. I still fucking hate this shit so much. I can't get down with it. But it's funny at least. Yeah, look at that little fucker. Look at him. Yeah, yeah.
speaker-0: No. No he looks awful.
speaker-1: I mean he's a hut. He looks like what you Yeah. I mean, what do you think Jabba looked like when he was a little baby? Probably p a poop with eyes. Yeah.
speaker-0: Yeah. ⁓ like a wet poop.
speaker-1: Yeah, but they had to get him 'cause he's like Al Capone. They had they had to rescue his son. Mm.
speaker-0: ⁓ it's funny that your wife is like, This is twilight season because
speaker-1: Oahoa season, as as the as they call it. Hoahoa season 'cause of the the the
speaker-0: What is it? Two
speaker-1: That that whole song. In the first film. Yeah, see.
speaker-0: ⁓ If they do it again? What is it?
speaker-1: You're really gonna do this Mira now? We already sang already once.
speaker-0: ⁓ sorry, ⁓ my my headphones must have cut out. ⁓
speaker-1: Edward.
speaker-0: Well hold on.
speaker-1: I'm not doing it again. I'm not doing I'm definitely not doing it again. ⁓
speaker-0: ⁓ we ⁓ this is over the garden wall season for us. Okay.
speaker-1: I take it.
speaker-0: actually like we probably won't start watching Over the Garden Wall until about October when things really start to get spooky. But Over the Garden Wall is like one of our our favorite series. It's so good.
speaker-1: ⁓ What is this about? I'm not familiar.
speaker-0: ⁓ two brothers that ⁓ go over a garden wall and get involved in like weird fantasy adventures. There's a frog and one of the kids wears a pot on his head. The great songs. ⁓ Elijah Wood is a ⁓ voice of the older brother. Like just
speaker-1: ⁓ Is he a weird little freak? Like Elijah Woodless too.
speaker-0: ⁓ he's a very cautious little person who is very protective of his little brother. It's very sweet and very weird and we love it so much.
speaker-1: How long is it?
speaker-0: ⁓ good question. ⁓ less than ten episodes?
speaker-1: ⁓ cool. Yeah. I'm just I just like to get engaged. It's like is this ⁓ law and order S V U or is this manageable?
speaker-0: ⁓ god no. It is come on, guy. ⁓ it exactly ten episodes.
speaker-1: That's fine. I know there's a lot of people that are longing for the twenty four episode seasons, but I I'm kind of okay with ten. It's one that's less than ten that you start to kind of ⁓ I kinda roll my eyes. I'm like, come on, let's get let's get to ten. We can handle it. Come on, X Men ninety seven season two. Get to set ten episodes.
speaker-0: Yeah, we can handle it. Yeah. ⁓ but the the Netflix ⁓ like go to market philosophy of eight episodes is kind of frust frustrating.
speaker-1: I don't like it. Eight's such a yeah, it's just ⁓ n not not not good. Ten is a nice a nice number.
speaker-0: Nice big round number.
speaker-1: Mm-hmm. So Clone Wars and Twilight for me, just absolute a Apex media this time.
speaker-0: Okay. Okay. Good. Good.
speaker-1: And lanterns, I guess, on the side. But ⁓ that's still ongoing. So I wanna save it.
speaker-0: Yeah, I've ⁓ also been watching lanterns, but ⁓ maybe we'll wait until ⁓ our resident D C expert comes back. ⁓ Mike Mullins? I would ask
speaker-1: I would agree with that. actually love to get Mike's take on lanterns because it's such an interesting series.
speaker-0: I would have loved to get Mike's
take on Big Shark.
speaker-1: Big shark. I I think there's he's a he's an enjoyer. He has he has taste in class. We might have to we might have to ⁓ get him in here for for a a Mark two, yeah. It's like, hey Mike, he's probably seen it. What are the odds that he's actually already seen it? Probably pretty high.
speaker-0: Do a big shark mark too. I think zero, actually. Zero. I know that Mike likes Tubi, but I don't think that he would watch Big Shark on his own. He's probably waiting for an opportunity like this.
speaker-1: ⁓ damn. Yeah. Well We're gonna bully him. It's like Mike, you are the patron saint of two be. We got Big Shark on there waiting for you. He's probably like, Bet. It's time. All right, well, ⁓ text him after this for me if you can.
speaker-0: Yep. Bring him back. Bring Mike back. Hashtag bring Mike back. Okay, do you wanna should we get into this movie? 2023's Big Shark? ⁓ man, we mu I saw a big shark, period!
speaker-1: ⁓ bring my back. I think it's time. For better or worse, it's time.
speaker-0: Mississippi River. The Mississippi does not have shot. Yo, come on guys. I saw what I saw on TV. 35 foot. Okay. Alright, we're believing. Are you believing? Come ⁓ on!
speaker-1: Rogers.
speaker-0: Okay, okay. So Noah, do you have a quick synopsis?
speaker-1: so just off the off the cap, off the rip. So we have our three main characters. They're ⁓ they're just idols of the community. They're firefighters. ⁓ they are involved in a rescue mission. They they use the word mission a lot in in regards to firefighting, which I think is hilarious. ⁓ they rescue some kids and they are basically celebrated in a
speaker-0: ⁓ yeah.
speaker-1: theater screening of the news report of them rescuing these kids, which is it just set everything off to a s to a strange tenor. ⁓ they kind of accept these awards. They're like, we don't we don't do it because we want to be called heroes. We do it because we just love teamwork. And everyone's like, yeah so they are just these these stand up members of the community, even though five minutes later
speaker-0: In ⁓ Shaumet, Louisiana.
speaker-1: Yeah, it this is a very cajun coded experience across
speaker-0: Tommy's Tommy Wissow's hometown.
speaker-1: Allegedly. I think he comes from Alpha Centauri, but
speaker-0: I mean if we were to ask Tommy though, he says he's from Shaumette.
speaker-1: That's the least Cajun man I've ever seen.
speaker-0: ⁓ well I yeah. I've I mean I've not met a lot of Cajuns. So I just have to take Tommy at his word. I don't think he's from Louisiana. I agree. That's the Louisiana. Him and Harry Connig Jr. The most Louisiana ⁓ I've ever met. Most Louisiana people I not met, because I haven't met these guys.
speaker-1: Don't take anything he says out of his Yeah. Right. I was like, You could have met Tommy, right? Just
speaker-0: No, I don't no no. I mean I would I would love to have met him. I I know that if you ⁓ order Big Shark or The Room through his website he signs a headshot.
He signs a headshot might take eight to ten months to get it, but it will be it will arrive at your at your house.
speaker-1: It might just not get it. If you're lucky you'll get you'll get a lock of his entirely authentic black hair. Yeah, just like, ⁓ it's left over. We gotta study this under a microscope and see the alien isotopes left over.
speaker-0: ⁓ that would rule. ⁓ or just become a witch and like cast a spell. I will create a real Tommy Weisso out of your hair. What a yeah, what a great premise for ⁓ for a story. You have hair. Yeah. And then you create a like a version of it, like ⁓ obsession style kind of.
speaker-1: He would have to put in the performance of his life because he would click a
speaker-0: I guess more more like more like weapons.
speaker-1: Yeah, I would say it's more like weapons. But there's th there'd be like a clone element where it's like you create a a Tommy Y so from scratch that but he behaves like actually normal.
speaker-0: Okay. ⁓ shit. ⁓ trademark, trademark, trademark, trademark, trademark. We're trademarking the
speaker-1: Do not steal. Do not steal. Write in the script too marble. Cinemoro sponge sponge. Cinemoro sponge L L C Okay.
speaker-0: Now go on, Noah. Okay.
speaker-1: So they have this whole ⁓ celebration of their heroism and five minutes later they're going, they repeat, ⁓ we're gonna party like twenty seven times because the script doesn't exist for this. Everything is ⁓ improvised.
speaker-0: Can we can we go back to the very beginning? ⁓ when it shows big shark. Do sharks roar?
speaker-1: Absolutely. They do in this universe. They do in this universe. There's a magical realism element at play. Not as much as I would like. There's it's lacking the the kind of liminal feeling that the room has, where it's it's kind of like an otherworldly, kind of dream like existence. This is very
speaker-0: Where everything exists in the room, but nothing exists in the room.
speaker-1: Yeah. It's all metaphor it's all metaphysical, right? This is much more boring. ⁓
speaker-0: So on stage we have normal blue collar vampire fire fighter Patrick played by
speaker-1: Who looks forty years older than his co stars and likely is.
speaker-0: But also looks the same age, if you were to ask him. He's the same age as they as them. Yeah. He's wearing a top hat. Very cool. Good choice. He's a suit. And gloves. Yeah, his his ⁓ there's one scene where he doesn't wear gloves. ⁓ I don't know what he's hiding underneath those gloves. Now I have to know.
speaker-1: Yeah, he would His characters are he has like And it's jarring, frankly. Scales or tentacles of some manner.
speaker-0: Maybe it's just how what keeps him so on keeps his hands so soft. I can think of one thing, jerking off.
speaker-1: He just you're just supposed to jerking out. ⁓ my god, I've never th You gotta pick up the beat for a minute. That's just the psychic damage of this.
speaker-0: What else do you need stop hands for? ⁓ my god.
speaker-1: God ever pictured him in this manner.
speaker-0: soft hands, cold touch.
speaker-1: You ruined my whole day with this image. My imagination is too strong for this to been cast upon me.
speaker-0: A a a Tommy just like wailing going on a stick, just like absolutely going to Hammertown. Yeah.
speaker-1: Just don't absolutely beating his shit. Yeah. Yeah. I record everything.
speaker-0: Good thing he's good thing he's worn those gloves, man. Yeah. Rip his dick off. That guy is strong as hell. I don't think he understands his own strength too. No
speaker-1: Absolutely not. Him and Neil Breed. They're like secrets.
speaker-0: I I saw I saw Neil Breen fight a white tiger before. That was incredible.
speaker-1: I think I saw him fight God. I d I don't I I don't know. S some he's always like some s savior. Anyway, Neil Breen's not in this film. ⁓ five minutes later, they leave and then they see almost immediately, the other main character, Tim, played by Isaiah Laborde. His ⁓ apparent his friend apparently is like a drug dealer and is just just wailing on this guy and a boxer, ⁓ wailing on this guy. He's like, What are you doing? There's cops down the road, not not
speaker-0: Stand?
speaker-1: Don't beat up this guy, you're gonna get caught. That was the main issue.
speaker-0: Just sank in. Is that Arnold Schwarzen? ⁓ like Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sylvester Stallone mixed up? ⁓ yeah.
speaker-1: ⁓ That's how he's gonna be the rest of this. ⁓ don't beat ⁓ don't beat him up, Walter. ⁓ gets very he's like, Okay, ⁓ you better pay me my drug money by next week and and then they just proceed to go to this park
speaker-0: I'm good for it. It's I'm good for it. I'm good for it.
speaker-1: And he's his face is all caked in in blood a little a little tiny bit.
speaker-0: ⁓ well This is very very big Chris R energy this guy has
speaker-1: Yeah. It's like he's he is obsessed with including these elements, or he's just like the mean streets.
speaker-0: Like this is his idea. Well, we've got to have a drug guy who's beating up another guy. He's friends with this guy. No, Chris R is a fucking Olympian. He was like a Olympic rower or something. Played Chris R in.
speaker-1: He's no Chris Arthur. Yeah, he's he is a massive testament to the human form, Chris R. but basically we end up ⁓ with these characters that we're led to believe are very heroic types. We gotta throw them their flowers right away. But they get embroiled in this ⁓ revelation that there is a shark, a big shark, a thirty five foot shark, going up the Mississippi River and attacking New Orleans. And
speaker-0: But the way we find out about this is Tommy takes his girlfriend or whatever. They like they're in his car, it's convertible, and she talks about
speaker-1: It's ⁓ he Tommy is trying to understand.
speaker-0: To describe this movie than this this is a hundred and five minutes. ⁓
speaker-1: It feels like three hundred and five minutes, frankly, at some points. But Tom I would say Tommy in as an alien is
trying to understand cars. So in a very improv, unscripted conversation with her is she is ⁓ being interrogated about her favorite car and her dream car separate.
speaker-0: Please drive go ahead. Every Every person that shares a scene with Tommy and gets interrogated. That is such a good way to put that.
speaker-1: Gets interrogated. ⁓ but but don't but but what about your favorite
speaker-0: Your favorite car. Well I like this car. Well, why don't you like this car that we're driving in? Yeah. I like this car, but you told me I had to pick my favorite car. Jesus Christ, fucking Tommy. Patrick I mean blah blah sorry.
speaker-1: Well no. You cannot tell me this shit is on the page. You cannot convince me for a second.
speaker-0: No way. There's no way this movie is one hundred percent improv.
speaker-1: So they go on this fishing. They go on this fishing trip. They get on this boat. ⁓ he like gaslights her for a minute where he's where he's like, There's a fucking shark in the water, and they're in this pond that's not moving. And she's like, You're full of shit. Like, we're on the Mississippi River. What are you talking about? And he's like, I saw it. And he's like, that's why you don't believe me. And he like blows up about it. She's like, okay, fucking relax. I might believe you a little bit. Yeah. ⁓
speaker-0: So funny that it's like And then she goes
speaker-1: Yeah. ⁓
speaker-0: And then they catch a catfish.
speaker-1: And then he's like, ⁓ I caught one and he's and then they're Reel it in and he like reels it in like he's eighty seven.
speaker-0: She's like, I'm so proud of you. You did it. You fucking did it. You did the thing that we were coming out here on this river, very still river, to do.
speaker-1: And it's been like thirty minutes. I'm like, You had such a fun day. You've had such a fun day, right? And she's like, Yeah, absolutely. I love you so much. And I was just watching ⁓ you're just you have a delirious mind. You have a delirious
speaker-0: You're you're crazy. No, why don't you believe me, Sophia? Why don't you believe me? It was thirty-five feet. ⁓ I saw this shark. ⁓
speaker-1: And he scre he does this faux scream like twenty eight times throughout the runtime. It's ⁓ incredible.
speaker-0: I thought he was just fucking with her when this was happening.
speaker-1: And then it was like, ⁓ there actually was a shark and he was fucking with it. But it's not
speaker-0: I yeah, I guess. This this seems like where they drew up the concept for this movie. They're like, we're just gonna go out and and be on and ⁓ we'll shoot a trailer. Who knows what this is going to be for? And then Tommy is like, I saw a shark, and they're like, ⁓ fucking nailed it. Right. Okay, we're gonna write that down. We're gonna do a shark movie now. That's how this feels. It feels like this was the concept behind it. Just
speaker-1: Short movie now. ⁓
speaker-0: Tommy and a girl that he was interested in out on a c out in a canoe on the water fishing quote and then yeah and then a shark is somehow introduced. There's no sense of urgency. He's not afraid. He's not like, ⁓ God, we gotta get out of here. There's a fucking shark and then just starts paddling. Turns his motor on. He's just like, ⁓ there's a shark. You don't believe me. Why don't you love me, Sophia? You never believed me.
speaker-1: David's sake. No, Just a piece of shit partner. Right off the s right off the get. So we're s we're supposed to empathize. No, Patrick. Right. He's just like you don't believe even though I just
speaker-0: You don't lie.
speaker-1: That's why you don't believe me. And then she's I I believe you a little bit, just to kind of capitulate him because she's like scared because they're out on the water. Because of the implication. There's no ripples. He's ⁓ but I saw it. You don't believe me. And so he tries to convince his entire friend group that he saw a shark. And lo and behold.
speaker-0: A thirty five foot shark though? her that she has to convince him. She's like, You gotta tell my fri you gotta tell the guys. And she's like, I don't believe that you saw a shark. This is quite a hill I have to climb, to Patrick. I almost I I almost broke the fourth wall here.
speaker-1: And this is You you broke the immersion a little too much. I'm gonna have to ask you to fucking relax.
speaker-0: Patrick, why are you asking me to do this? With your orange glove. He's like, because they're not gonna believe me, but they will believe you.
speaker-1: I'm my sixty seven year old ⁓ coworker. Yeah. I bet you can do a mean Wallace show on me.
speaker-0: No. You do a li but you can't ⁓ god damn it, I can't remember the line from Princess Bride. ⁓ Yeah. Inconceivable. But nobody ever asked a silient ⁓ something and something in Asia land war.
speaker-1: Inconceivable. G Wagon.
speaker-0: Yeah. G Wagon. More like D wagon because it's big and ⁓ like ⁓ has wings and can fly. Dragon.
speaker-1: Fucking got him. So the most the majority of the runtime is Patrick trying to convince everyone that this shark is happening. His friends are trying to meet him halfway and be like, sure, we believe you.
speaker-0: Let's tone that down a little bit with the majority of the ⁓ the movie's about, because the I think the majority of the movie is about them going from bar to bar and drinking their way through they're not in Showmet. This is like a new idea.
speaker-1: What? Yeah, they keep saying we're gonna save New Orleans. So that like most of it is just between drinking stops. They're like, We gotta make a plan. We gotta get pigs for some reason. We gotta have a d a a tracking device. They're devising once they realize that the threat is real because they're walking down the street and then the street just floods with like the worst water effects you've ever seen in your life.
speaker-0: So at any point during this movie, do you feel a sense of urgency from these guys?
speaker-1: They don't they're like even even at its ⁓ worst. They're
they're just like, We gotta save New Orleans and then they
speaker-0: Even when, spoiler alert, Georgie fucking gets eaten by a shark, are they at all concerned with what the fuck is going on?
speaker-1: Do it for Georgia. No, they they say that they have to save everyone. Their quote is we're gonna save everyone.
speaker-0: Georgie dies, the next scene is them in a bar just head and they're ⁓ this is so great. We should just celebrate being alive. ⁓ well, Georgie's dead. Yeah Wouldn't he? Yeah. Because he's dead.
speaker-1: Chillin'. Yeah, but you would love being alive. And so it's it's very laxadaisical, the entire thing. There is a there's an almost impressive lack of urgency throughout the this ⁓ quote unquote narrative. ⁓ even when they are kind of thrown into like the line of duty from their captain Joe, who talking to nobody on the phone is just like, We need you. There, they're they're we're loop so many people are dying. We need you to save the day. They're just like, okay. And then I think they go to another bar. Like it's it's absolutely insane. And I just the lack of script. I wanted out of this another iconic Tommy Wiseo script with great lines and bits that you never forget. But instead you just get the main cast improvising their way through the same situation for eighty minutes because the other twenty-five minutes is just the relationship drama, quote unquote. It's missing it's missing structure and that's being v generous.
speaker-0: So do you think Tommy should teach improv?
speaker-1: Probably not. I think he should go to an improv class.
speaker-0: I think he's been to an improv class. And I think that improv class over where people in that class are just like, Ugh, the sooner we indulge him, the sooner he's gonna leave. Like if we just if we just let him do this thing, he's gonna get out of here pretty quick.
speaker-1: So he is a cosmic horror. Yeah, I he doesn't strike me as a man who stays sticks around for too long anywhere. No he's he's in and out.
speaker-0: Kind of Yeah, kind of like the shark. Like just let the shark eat its fill and then w ⁓ once it does it's gonna ⁓ move on to fucking Georgia, hopefully.
speaker-1: He's it's gonna be around for two and a half minutes. It's gonna flood the street that it's on. ⁓ I love the shot where they actually they actually like they have the underwater shot of the the three of them walking through the water for like two seconds. They're like, ⁓ they actually tried to get some production value in here where they're actually walking through water. Holy shit, what a revelation.
speaker-0: Okay. ⁓ Have you seen those like really thin boards that people ⁓ like they'll run and then throw this really thin board on a like a really long puddle and then jump on it and then kind of like skate a little bit? Yeah, a little bit. That's like what this shark is doing.
speaker-1: Yeah.
speaker-0: Bigger, Noah, this shark is fucking bigger than thirty-five feet. This shark is towering over buildings. Do you
speaker-1: Scooting me knows what thirty five feet means.
speaker-0: Was the shark even like getting the momentum to move through the streets on like such little water over the course of what are we gonna say? Like this is ⁓ a a a week, maybe? May
speaker-1: Maybe it's very vague, just like the room. The timetable is vague.
speaker-0: I th ⁓ yeah, exactly. Okay. ⁓ but the shark just it doesn't cruise in on flooded streets. It cruises in on like such a thin layer of water.
speaker-1: But you spill your fucking you spill your fountain drink on the ground and that's enough for it to c
speaker-0: Yep, that's enough for Fuck the sharks, what are you doing? This is What are you doing? You dropped your ice on the ground, it's gonna melt the sharks. ⁓ god.
speaker-1: See, that's the that's it's missing those touches where it's like someone spills their drink with the ice goes everywhere and then the fucking shark shows up and
speaker-0: Yeah. It's like the ice has to land on the ground and then melt. And they're just like, ⁓ man. And the shark ⁓ God, the ice is melting, aye and then and the shark slides in.
speaker-1: You have a cutaway. But that would require having tension and build up and a point to anything.
speaker-0: No one this is total bullshit.
speaker-1: It's all bullshit. Like it's not too much to ask for to have some setup and payoff. It's just improvising th through situations. And I guess they they you know they come out on top in the end their stupid plan that they spend way too long concocting works, ⁓ and they're once again heroes, but they there is no urgency.
speaker-0: Move this. Yeah. Everybody in this movie knows that they're heroes. That's is so funny. When they go to meet the barbecue guy who has pigs, just like live pigs in a pen. We need to pig. I got I got plenty. I got like four or three or four pigs. And then it's exactly four pigs in the pen. I found that scene pretty upsetting where they were chasing the pigs around and then putting them in the back of the truck. I I did not like that at all.
speaker-1: I think I blocked that one out. And I I feel like already my memory of that scene is gone.
speaker-0: But then they show up to the butcher and the butcher is like, You don't have to bring pigs here. I've got dead pigs up the fucking butt. Here you go. You you want four dead pigs? I've got one. Here you go. Here's one dead pig. And so they take the pig and put it in the back of the truck. And then they say, what's his name? Tim is like, Don't worry, you're not gonna end up like this guy. We're just gonna let you loose.
speaker-1: Dan.
speaker-0: So now Tim is going to let loose a bunch of pigs into an environment they're not familiar with. And hope for the best. They're in a truck. And then the next scene is them in the fucking Jeep. And you're like, or at least I was thinking like, what is happening to those pigs? Where do they go? Now they're in a Jeep.
speaker-1: They're just on the run. They're just on
the lamb. And I I also Yeah. I I I I do love the scene where it's one of the big sharks' few attacks. They pick up this this stranger and they drive him like two blocks and then he's like, You saved my life.
speaker-0: Well I am There's a gun in the back of the Jeep.
speaker-1: Yeah, and then he's sorry, he's like, Do not fire the gun. You were just agitate it. I was like he's like, You do not defend yourself. It's like Tommy's already like made this connection.
speaker-0: Put I put this ⁓ in my notes.
speaker-1: Please do. And it's like it's it's like a lever action like T two ass rifle.
speaker-0: And Well they called a rifle, but it it was handled like a shotgun.
speaker-1: Yeah, it was a shot it was like a liber action shotgun. ⁓ and so he while being chased by a fucking giant shark, he's like, ⁓ there's a gun here, I'm gonna use it. And then Tommy's like, Stop Obviously don't do that. You're just gonna piss it off more. I'm like, it's skidding on ice cubes. The situation is as dire as it gets. Where is the National Guard? Where is anyone? Why is it up to these firefighters to solve this problem?
speaker-0: Jesus. You cannot use rifle to kill shark. What do you think will happen? You just agitate shark.
speaker-1: Just agitate shar. I'm like, that's on the page. You're gonna tell me for a second that that's on the page. ⁓
speaker-0: ⁓ my god. Yeah, it's I was like I think everyone's drunk during filming. Everyone. Everyone. It's like a feature length. So here we have what's called well, where you guys are, ⁓ called the I forty eight, which is like a forty-eight hour film festival. You write, shoot, direct, ⁓ and edit a movie in forty eight hours. This felt like an I forty eight from twenty years ago with modern equipment.
speaker-1: Yeah.
speaker-0: ⁓ God, man. ⁓ they're trying to be heroes while the shark is terrorizing Shalmet, but they get in a fight over going to get Powboys. Do you remember that scene? No. Where they're in the car and they're like, We're gonna go to whatever place, Pow Boys. But we had just learned that ⁓ New Orleans is flooding and there's a shark terrorizing it. And they're like, Well, we're gonna go and get these sandwiches. Well, you don't know where the best place to get sandwiches is. I do.
speaker-1: 'Cause he has to be right all the time. Mm-hmm. No matter the context or the danger level.
speaker-0: the chief of firefighting, I guess, right?
speaker-1: Yeah. Right. What is it, Captain Captain Joe?
speaker-0: Captain Joe says our objective is to limit to eliminate the shark at any cost. That's our objective.
speaker-1: Are you seal team six? Do you think you are? At any cost. I'm like, who do you think you are, sir?
speaker-0: Who yeah, like who tasked you to do this job? You guys were vulnerable fighters.
speaker-1: Yeah, they're volunteer. They're not even full time.
speaker-0: Like the SBI cannot be here in time. It's up to you three to
speaker-1: This is up to Tommy Wiseo and this cowboy. This wannabe cowboy.
speaker-0: Tommy says, let's spit in, ⁓ and then they spit in their hands and shake. My yeah, my thought was like, how does Tommy have his finger on how we all talk?
speaker-1: Yeah, they have to do a blood I don't know. I don't have answers to anything. The entire thing it's just it is so truly bizarre. Like even compared to these Yeah. But tart cartoon puke. ⁓ my god. ⁓ I just I I have so many questions and I can't I unless I am in the room with Tommy, I can't get them answered because they almost forgot their blood.
speaker-0: Almost twice. True. ⁓ when they went to the butcher, he had to carry the two buckets of blood out to their truck. As they were almost going to drive away, they had the pigs in the back, like the live pigs. And he said, You guys for almost forgot your blood. That was the first time. The second time was when they put the dead pig in an inflatable raft. And s with the bomb in it and sent it out into the the lake, which is the Mississippi River. And then Tim says, ⁓ God, we forgot to put the blood in, and then he just pours blood into the water.
speaker-1: Right. Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. What do sharks think about pigs? Are they do they go for it?
speaker-0: ⁓ so good. They love Irresistible.
speaker-1: This is like a mutant shark. This is like a pig. ⁓ my god. ⁓ I wanted I wanted seventy percent more shark, but I understand because of the huge weight of the rendering of these scenes that that was impossible. But I
speaker-0: ⁓ I said this ⁓ movie has three white guys walking into a ki ⁓ a casino in Vegas saying they have no idea what's coming energy.
speaker-1: We're gonna tear this place up.
speaker-0: N Vegas has never seen anyone. ⁓ And then they just go and they just bet like three hundred dollars and shit their pants and pee their pants and then
speaker-1: Party. We can't wait to party and they just like drink in forties. Like it's very basic.
speaker-0: Yep. Yep. And then they just go and pass out.
speaker-1: And then there's what's the like the the whole hat arc where they go to pick up like these like eight hats. They're like ⁓ like he's like a hat collector. I'm like, What is this? Because Tommy Rice and she's like Tom
speaker-0: That is You know Tommy or you know Patrick really likes hats. He's like, ⁓ I didn't know that about Patrick. That's so
speaker-1: He's a Cool. Even though he's wearing his fucking stupid top hat all the time, even when they're like fighting the
speaker-0: Top hat or like at some points he's wearing the Pharrell
speaker-1: His hair is like underneath his glasses, like covering his eyes. Yeah. It it it's just sweaty and disgusting. Yeah.
speaker-0: ⁓ yeah, yeah, Patrick he l he loves hats. ⁓ he loves them so much. And they go and yeah, pick up two hats and then walk outside and hey, there's Patrick right there. And he's like, ⁓ I love the hats. Thank you so much. We're going to the ⁓ this place to meet Tim. You know, Tim's just right there.
speaker-1: And then Tim's talking to his drug dealer boxer friend and then he's like, ⁓ yeah, order two more beers and then Tim pulls up, he's ⁓ that's my ride. Like, do you like need a ride or something? This is not a person who has had conversations with humans. This is not how anything works. He's like, No, I don't need a ride and then he's out of the story pretty much, if I'm not mistaken. Unless I'm forgetting something. No
speaker-0: And Everyone's It was ⁓ when they went to the restaurant of the guy ⁓ who they thought knew how to get pigs, I thought that was the same the same guy. I thought that was Tim's friend, the box. Would have been more restaurant.
speaker-1: Yeah, he's like I'm a boxer, I own the restaurant, I beat people up, I dem I demand I don't think so. I could be wrong. They they looked very similar. I will I'll I'll give you that. It's ⁓ they looked they they they did look similar, but no, it just seemed like such a non sequitur. It's like Tommy likes to portray the grimy, gritty streets of the city life ⁓ by having just one scumbag character that doesn't mean anything.
speaker-0: Was that the same guy? They just look the same. Okay. friends. They're the scum that character. It's like, no, I just just hold on. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And they're like, no, no, no, take your time. It's totally cool. He must ⁓ owe you some money. And the guy's like, ⁓ God, I please God, ⁓ no, you'll I'll get you your money. And they're like, you can't be doing this. There's cops right around the right around the corner.
speaker-1: Not don't beat ⁓ up. It's you're gonna get caught, knock it off. Yes for your own sake. And then it's like
speaker-0: Side of the road, and they're like, Isn't that your friend? Like, okay, what would the fuck?
speaker-1: And then the the women in the car are like, said we were gonna party. It's been thirty-seven seconds. We're burning the night away. The night oil's gone. I'm like, Do you not see this man being assaulted on the sidewalk? They just do not give a shit. And but I guess you know, that's that's a little bit of a warning to come when she just like throws his clothes off the center, off the balcony of the longest building I've ever seen. I'm like,
speaker-0: ⁓ you
speaker-1: I was trying to picture the the inside of this house that she was in, because it's like a football field long. I'm like, what is the interior decoration of this place? And and then he's just like, ⁓ I love you, Sophia. I love you. ⁓ okay. ⁓ be back by 10. I'm like, why is she giving him a curfew? What is this relationship dynamic? We need to focus more time on this. You have to go. But I'm spiraling about Tommy Wiseo. there is a
speaker-0: ⁓ really bad.
speaker-1: Definite sense of confusion related to the dynamic of this couple that apparently is cogent. There are even times when Tim, the other character, is like, if you fight so much, why are you together? But we don't get time to dwell on those bits because there's a j there's a big shark on the loose, and they are the
only two heroes to deal with it. I just want to know what the mind of Tommy Wiseo. On a day-to-day basis, looks like. There is a consistent bewilderment that whenever I engage with anything he creates, it doesn't go away, it doesn't lessen. It just brings me more questions. He even goes as far as to use the same font as the room. And we know that he tried to kind of pivot and be like, ⁓ the room's like a dark comedy when he noticed that people were just laughing at it. But We know that's bullshit. We knew that he put his entire heart and soul into the script of the room to make it a drama, a hard adult drama with themes and characters going through from the perspective of an alien, realistic shit. And this doesn't bring me any closer to knowing what's going on. I just vamped the entire time. Are you f do you feel better? Do you feel better?
speaker-0: ⁓ my god.
speaker-1: Who
speaker-0: Yeah, like a c a like I could run a mile. Really sorry. ⁓ I thought I'd lose you.
speaker-1: Definitely don't because we got we got I just I just I just vamped about Tommy Weisso the entire time. I just have so many questions about this guy. Yeah, pretty much.
speaker-0: Okay, cool. Very cool. Can't wait to hear the vamping. Take take this part out.
speaker-1: It's just with every project wh which part?
speaker-0: The part where I said the vamping is cool.
speaker-1: ⁓ okay, yeah. ⁓ It's fine. It's fine.
speaker-0: It's it's fine. Heroes don't die.
speaker-1: Cowboys they don't cry.
speaker-0: Cowboys don't cry. God damn. It is it is very much like Chris Walking through an Arnold filter.
speaker-1: That's hard to conceptualize.
speaker-0: From the brain of Donald Trump. That is how Tommy Wisell has ⁓ I th that I think that's the the key to unlock a Tommy Wisot impression.
speaker-1: And that's that takes skill, that takes artistry, that takes practice.
speaker-0: Yeah. Otherwise you're just like every week which doesn't sound like Tommy Wissel. No, no.
speaker-1: It's coming from the right place in the heart, but it's not it doesn't quite capture it.
speaker-0: Very wick I record everything. Yeah, there's a little wispier.
speaker-1: I record everything. There's a wistfulness to him too sometimes. But also just like an an unawareness. It's such a consistently
speaker-0: Yeah. Like an elemental f floating in on the wind.
speaker-1: Yeah. Like he he didn't he does not know where he comes from or where he's going or where he's been. No.
speaker-0: ⁓ very fay, like ⁓ like ⁓ like a fairy.
speaker-1: Uhhuh. Yeah. Yeah, maybe okay, so we've had it all wrong. He's not an alien, he's a fairy of
speaker-0: Kind of. Or he's like what the fairies took. He's like a a a changeling.
speaker-1: I am descended from chain I am descended from the Fay. Yeah. I I I assimilate
speaker-0: They have released back into the world after kidnapping a kid. Kidnapping. Like I ⁓ stealing a kid.
speaker-1: I have absorbed all the forces of the world and this is my story. How did he fund the room
independently? How why is he independently wealthy?
speaker-0: So do you do you not know that?
speaker-1: No, what is his fortune? Where did he get his fortune?
speaker-0: Okay, so I actually thought I don't know exactly, but it is through real estate. Okay. So he got enough money through his w whatever, his street wear, street fashion, selling gigos and dude-ads and then making enough money there to afford a storefront where he was selling knockoff like pants, clothing.
speaker-1: Probably didn't know. Baggy ass pants.
speaker-0: Yeah. And and and underway
speaker-1: And another well his underwear is iconic. Terra? I thought that was a later.
speaker-0: Underwear development. With a pouch. I mean, I right. It it it's a little later. So he used those things to then pivot into real estate and then used his money from real estate to fund what his actual proj p passion project was, which was acting. And so he's used I mean, like the LA market is Pretty lucrative from what I understand. And he has two ⁓ two buildings that he built himself that I think he now leases or has sold. And that's how he's made his millions. He's like a multi-millionaire. So more than enough money to fund these kind of projects. These ⁓ this y the budget for this movie though, I think I feel like Tommy has learned quite a bit from the room where he spent
speaker-1: Passion projects.
speaker-0: Upwards of six million dollars to ⁓ fund the room. He bought the equipment and ⁓ paid ⁓ Burns and and Co th ⁓ for studio space and then paid everybody on on that set pr very well.
speaker-1: You know, great pu plus for the whole
speaker-0: It's a great plus. I feel like he learned a lot though, on that. And so the budget for this movie was only thirty thousand.
speaker-1: Okay, this reads like thirty thousand.
speaker-0: Does read like thirty thousand.
speaker-1: Shoot it in standard and high def at the same time or whatever.
speaker-0: That's true, but this movie looks better than the room.
speaker-1: It does, but also worse. It looks better, but it has less sauce. It has less mystique to it.
speaker-0: Objectively looks better. So we're getting into our final thoughts. Good.
speaker-1: I think so. I don't have a lot more I d I really don't have much more to say about this. It's really hard to like conjure real feelings about this thing. I was hoping for more meat on the bone.
speaker-0: ⁓ so I I just I just have a couple of things ⁓ that okay, so normal blue collar, vampire, firefighter, Patrick talked about that. ⁓ the fact that he wore his isotoner gloves all throughout the movie, I thought was wild. And then when he was in the car scene, he had a yellow and a red one.
speaker-1: Yeah, the the offset gloves was was interesting.
speaker-0: I don't would do you think that was intentional? ⁓
speaker-1: I everything's intentional that he does. It's all it's all intentional.
speaker-0: I don't know. I think that he would say that it is intentional. Yeah. He makes mistakes.
speaker-1: He
likes to even Yeah. 'Cause 'cause you know, the whole thing when you were gone, I was talking about how he would he kind of pivoted to like, ⁓ the room's a dark comedy when he noticed that people were taking it in the opposite way than he intended, where it's like, No, he wrote it as a serious drama and people were laughing at it. So he's like, ⁓ it's a dark comedy.
speaker-0: The dark comedy bit that was like a ⁓ comment on the I think it was the San Francisco Chronicle that had reviewed it and then one of the comments on the San Francisco Chronicles article was it's a dark comedy. So he used that as a poll quote and said it was from the San Francisco Chronicle.
speaker-1: And it's San Francisco LV. Yeah.
speaker-0: Yeah, and it's a San Francisco movie. ⁓ yeah, which is you know, where he lived for a little bit. Not where he's from. He's from New Orleans. Louisiana God, this movie. I wanna wa I'm gonna watch it again, I think.
speaker-1: Shot in LA. Mm-hmm. Alpha Centauri. We're gonna save New Allen. Godspeed, God bless.
speaker-0: I don't think I got enough out of this movie the first one.
speaker-1: I don't think there's enough to extract. I don't think it has the the legs that the room does. I don't think there's
speaker-0: So obsessed with Tommy, man.
speaker-1: I I hope he makes something else, obviously. I hope he you know, he's getting up there. He looks rough in this even. Who knows?
speaker-0: He's as old as you. He's as old as me. He's as old as What that mean?
speaker-1: Time immemorial.
speaker-0: There's twenty year difference between us. Who knows what that means?
speaker-1: I want him to do like a sci-fi epic. I want him to do like a Jupiter's ascending as
speaker-0: Script.
speaker-1: Just something silly.
speaker-0: ⁓ man, I wish he was cast as a Joker. I hope he gets cast as the Joker.
speaker-1: That would be he's the official DCU Joker.
speaker-0: Just in like some weird ⁓ offshoot.
speaker-1: Or even like an animated like in a voiceover role or something. That would be pretty fun. But just to just to meet reality. ⁓
speaker-0: Well he has he has an audition tape. Icon. And makeup. Yeah. It's it fucking rules.
speaker-1: And it's I might have to just clip that in here, just at least the audio from it, because it is legendary. Yeah. It's it will be played now. God, incredible. How that didn't ⁓ clear every producer's desk I am befuddled by.
speaker-0: For the ⁓
speaker-1: The Dark Knight even. I don't know when he shot that.
speaker-0: ⁓ it was after it was after he thought you're after.
speaker-1: It's truly I I forgot about that until you brought it up. I was like, this this is so good.
speaker-0: ⁓ okay, so w what else is there to say about this movie? ⁓ he was ⁓ was he doing streetcar when his girlfriend was throwing all of his clothes out?
speaker-1: That scene was perplexing on multiple levels. I I'm still interpreting that as ⁓ as a almost lynchian task of ⁓ understanding. I don't know what that meant. Okay. The power dynamic. Who's the king who's the king of this house? Yeah. He is Sam. That's
speaker-0: Sh the king of this house. Me? ⁓ really? Me? I'm the king? I love you, baby. Yeah. ⁓ sorry about your clothes. You'll pick those up, right?
speaker-1: No one's gonna steal them, put ⁓ on the porch. We have to deal with big shark.
speaker-0: Yeah, we got a yeah, we got a big shark to go and hunt.
speaker-1: If you are here even one minute late, I'm gonna change the locks. I'm like, what is this relationship? He's a firefighter. He's a pillar of the community. He's a Yeah. He's a volunteer hero firefighter. Let him stay out past ten o'clock.
speaker-0: I yeah, I don't know. Yeah. He's a zero firefighter. Fuck that wears gloves and it's maybe a vampire.
speaker-1: And he loves hats and his friend is a dumb
speaker-0: Yep. ⁓ has a boat and drives a classic car, classic convertible car, over any other car.
speaker-1: He's got triples of every classic car. God. Okay, I might have to watch it again too. I feel like we might be missing some
speaker-0: All of us all his yeah, all of his friends have a lot of things going on. One is best friends with a boxing ⁓
speaker-1: Drug dealer mafioso?
speaker-0: Yeah, boxing drug dealer mafioso, also very successful successful ⁓ at boxing, but so successful at boxing that he also is a thug for drugs.
speaker-1: Why do his two friends live together if they obviously are completely Yeah, it's like why do they
speaker-0: They all live together. They all live together in that that long ass house.
speaker-1: Long the long ass house, like bros taking two hour showers. I'm so confused. Like the more we break into it, I'm just get more confused. I feel like I need to be rescued.
speaker-0: I know two bathrooms upstairs. Obviously, the ⁓ the guy went down the long hall. he also had half of his face shaved.
speaker-1: Yeah, I'm like, you can't just shave the rest of your f like I know you don't have hot water, but like fucking suck it up. Like what's I I'm confused. So confused.
speaker-0: Yeah, if you're shaving that way, then you have like a sink of hot water. You're not just letting the water run.
speaker-1: No, he probably is because he's a firefighter.
speaker-0: So he's letting the water run while the other guy's letting the water run for two hours. A day later. Tommy's two hours. Tommy's having sex with his girlfriend or whatever with
speaker-1: I gotta show. I wish we saw because obviously he is a top four
speaker-0: We saw Yeah, there there were four sex scenes in the room, not one in this.
speaker-1: Yeah. We didn't get one. Where he's like he's he I wanted to see her like him just like moving up like he's like humping her chest or something. Like it's just completely
speaker-0: Slowly moving up or down like or down. ⁓
speaker-1: See, we were robbed. We were robbed of the because he du he still doesn't understand. You can't tell me for a second he's ever had sex. Yeah, you can never you cannot convince me for a moment. No. It's
like maybe once and he was like out of it in the moment. He's like, ⁓ my God. What's going on? I I don't know. I'm just I'm It there was more than ⁓ there was more to chew on than I expected, frankly. Yeah.
speaker-0: Good movie, I think. So this movie ⁓ had its world premiere, a pre-premiere they call it, at ⁓ cinema twenty one in Portland. And then they they, Tommy, re-aired it after f his final cut at the same place, Cinema Twenty One. In tw ⁓ twenty twenty four. Of course he had well of course he had final cut. He flunted the whole thing.
speaker-1: This is my movie. This is my own. Final cut.
speaker-0: Gut. Gut. God, my my lynch sucks. My lynch sucks though in this episode especially when I'm just like ⁓ so tommy pilled.
speaker-1: It's not great. It's we're we're Tommy Pilled, we're fucking Patrick Maxing. ⁓ yeah, I do think Greg Sestero being in this would have helped a little bit.
speaker-0: Yeah, he was supposed to be Georgie.
speaker-1: So I think he's more I think he understands the the assignment just based on best friends.
speaker-0: Well he he wrote a version of this and then ⁓ Tommy talked him into going on a road trip and at the end of that road trip they filmed the trailer for this. So Greg Cesar was basically tricked into being in the trailer. He didn't I guess he didn't want to be. I wouldn't but then wrote a tr like a treatment and then because of scheduling couldn't be involved in this. And so Tommy was so upset or mad that he just like threw out that entire script.
speaker-1: And
speaker-0: decided he was just gonna do it ⁓ on his own. With no truth. That's like what we ended up with is like Tommy's this is like a spite movie. But
speaker-1: Why? To who? To Greg? To the
speaker-0: Yeah, ⁓ Squirld? To spite no to squall. Not really, cause like I really fucking enjoyed it.
speaker-1: I am so glad for you. I'm just
speaker-0: but despite Greg, I think I think this was this was a spite movie. I would
speaker-1: Love to see a quote unquote writer's room with the two of them interacting. I think that would be a fascinating look at just ⁓
speaker-0: I don't think that they would ever write together. I think that Greg would write something and then Tommy would being the the like financier of this and he probably has final say. And so whatever Tommy decides the movie's gonna be, that's what it's gonna be.
speaker-1: Even if it's a nothing burger with no
speaker-0: Even if it's a nothing. I mean, Greg's got a like a a robust filmography of those. Tommy doesn't.
speaker-1: No. To our detriment. To the world's detriment.
speaker-0: To the w yeah to the world's detriment. Like I think he should rec recreate all of the James classics. Let's put let's put Tommy Wieso in a streetcar.
speaker-1: Okay. Or the I'm Yeah, ⁓
speaker-0: Put him in Brando. Let's put him in Brando. Let's like have him recreate the wild bunch. Or just
speaker-1: Tommy Weisso, Citizen Kane.
speaker-0: Yeah, but yeah, put him in silly game. Yeah.
speaker-1: 'Cause it's honestly a miracle that in this landscape that we haven't gotten any kind of Citizen Kane remake, I think Tommy Wizo is primed and ready to put his stamp on ⁓ the medium at large.
speaker-0: Yeah. He's already ⁓ thrown the room ⁓ around as the citizen cane of ⁓ his generation. I don't think he said his generation, but it's like citizen cane of bad movies. That was like he took the wrong he had the wrong takeaway from people saying this is the citizen cane of bad movies and he's just like, Citizen Kane, my movie? My movie
speaker-1: Yeah, cuz he doesn't he d he can he doesn't have the capacity to write to interpret. So he he he can't get to that the the correct
speaker-0: He saw Citizen Kane and the Room in the same paragraph and he's like, Yep. Yep. Exactly. They understand me.
speaker-1: I still I still wanna see the rune returns and I don't know what the deal is with the distribution of this or when or what or how, but I feel like we need to see this as for posterity.
speaker-0: Okay. Well we're gonna have to talk John into seeing it.
speaker-1: There's no way he's gonna No D. ⁓
speaker-0: It's gonna have to be another interst interstitial.
speaker-1: Which is fine, but like not even Bob Odenkirk I think will get him to engage with this material.
speaker-0: ⁓ yeah, I I've seen clips of it. I haven't seen the whole movie, but Bob doesn't even like take on the Tommy Weisso accent.
speaker-1: No, he's trying to like I guess my one regret with it is that they shot it in a day. Like I would actually want to see the vision of it where like let's see if what we can do with this material. Like can we actually do something with this?
speaker-0: It's like what the disaster artists did so well. The scenes that they captured, they captured exactly like at the very end of the disaster artist, they put the room and the scenes in the disaster artist next to each other. And it lines up so fucking well. It's so good.
speaker-1: Yeah. But like that Yeah. It's so hard to capture that lightning in a bottle. The shitty, horrible the room lightning in a bottle. The the amount of attention to detail had to have been insane. So the fact that th this they just kinda like threw this together. ⁓ I would have liked to see Bob in a real room.
speaker-0: ⁓ The Princess Bride that was done ⁓ during lockdown. Jason Jason Siegel. That's a Just a ton of people were involved ⁓ in it. ⁓ like very charming.
speaker-1: I don't think I even knew that. That's strange. Wow. But it actually is charming. That's kinda surprising.
speaker-0: Yeah, it's it's really sweet. And it was done during lockdown. So these people are reciting these lines from The Princess Bride in their house ⁓ or as best they can, they're trying to recreate the scene in their backyard. It's just that it's just it's just really nice, yeah.
speaker-1: Reminds me of the the the my or or my Robocop remake or something like that. Or it's just it's just for the love of it. Yeah. Which I I still probably watch on an
annual basis, at least a couple of scenes from that. ⁓ but I feel like like within our lifetime we need like an earnest attempt at doing the room with some attention and not in one day for charity.
speaker-0: Yeah. Yeah, very much like that, yes. Sure. I think what really needs to happen is putting Tommy Wiso in more more movies. Let's have more let's let him play Thanos next time.
speaker-1: Asked him. No h who okay. Let's throw away Thanos. What Marvel villain sh would he actually be a good pick for?
speaker-0: Right. ⁓ my god. that's a good question. What Marvel villain would he be good? ⁓ my god. Existing or not yet seen, okay. ⁓
speaker-1: Exactly. Well, alright, I guess just from comics.
speaker-0: Fuck. I don't know. D do you have an idea? I'm I'm s really struggling. ⁓
speaker-1: Unfortunately this is already being cast, but I would love to see Tommy Weisso's Mr Sinister. ⁓ With his hair. Like they they barely do anything, but he's got like the red eyes and everything. I think that would be fun.
speaker-0: Okay. That would be ⁓ hilarious. Or
speaker-1: Hobgoblin. I think that would be another good good Yeah. Or he's like f flying around on the fucking glider throwing bombs at people.
speaker-0: I think how goblin is good. ⁓ just doing his best, ⁓ Willem Dafoe.
speaker-1: ⁓ yeah. Yeah. He's like, I channeling Marlon Brando. 'Cause for this he was like, I'm ⁓ what what what's your inspiration for this, Tommy? He's like, ⁓ Shakespeare and myself for Big Shark, his inspiration's for Big Shark. I'm like, Shakespeare. It's like
speaker-0: I did see an interview with him where ⁓ they had asked what his inspiration was for the room. They're like, I heard it was Citizen Kane and he's like, No, I have no ⁓ nobody inspired me other than myself. That's what ⁓
speaker-1: True that is the true autour right there. ⁓ that has to be true because nothing else is like that. There's nothing that you could pull that be like, ⁓ he clearly got this from this. For better or worse, it is the truly unique work. And I didn't get that from this. That's what I was missing.
speaker-0: ⁓ yeah. Okay. So I'm looking up Tommy Wiso as a Marvel villain.
speaker-1: Mm-hmm. Just a blanket search.
speaker-0: Yeah. ⁓ I'm pretty unhappy.
speaker-1: I think Hobgoblin's the pole, personally. Or like I don't know. There there's there's a thousand options, but I wanna see them manic.
speaker-0: I think you're right. Or Let's give him every role. Let him be the villain and everything.
speaker-1: Everything he can be Doctor Doom. Yeah.
speaker-0: Well he couldn't be Doctor Doom because he would I mean he could if Doctor Doom showed his butt. That's how why Well he could. Exactly. Why can't Yeah, why can't ⁓ Victor Von Doom show his butt?
speaker-1: Back in a few years. I can e cowards. They're cowards though. He has the whole costume, the full on fucking Russo.
speaker-0: It's just ass his ass. His ass. But it's just ass those chaps. That's why, hey, where's the cape? And then the cape blows up and then there's Tommy Wisa's butt. Cape flops back down. And they're like, What? Did I ⁓ man, couldn't have been. Couldn't have been a butt.
speaker-1: That would be in And then Thor's like I am Doctor Doom Victor Von Doom.
speaker-0: Ha ha ha.
speaker-1: Long story short, cast him and more shit, please.
speaker-0: Yeah.
speaker-1: I wanna see him i in like a in like a hunt for a red October scenario. I wanna see him as like a trap With a bunch of And he has to play ⁓ it straight.
speaker-0: Yeah. You're not trapped down here I'm not trapped down here with you, you're trapped down here with me.
speaker-1: You shot San A with me. And it's like Greg Sestro and the other opposing submarine. He's like, My God.
speaker-0: Yeah, ⁓ the guy that played Georgie and Greg Sestero in the same movie and they're both trying to out act each other. I
speaker-1: I think there's just endless possibilities and they should hire us to make it
speaker-0: His name is Mark ⁓ Valeriano.
speaker-1: Mark Vellorano call us at S cinemarosbunchgmail dot com. Let's get a let's get a writer's room going.
speaker-0: Yeah. That's who played the Georgie in this. No, I'd like to work with Greg Sestero. Like let's let Greg Sestero, hit us up. Let's let's write a movie together.
speaker-1: Like th just imagine what we could accomplish. And then that's when we bring in Mike to get his input. As a executive producer. ⁓
speaker-0: Yeah. No. ⁓ I mean, Mike, if you're into it, Mike, have you executive produced before? ⁓ hit us up at ⁓ dotmolins at gmail.com.
speaker-1: I will say this did I'm like, I feel like I need to make some I feel like this like spurned me to make something where I'm like, I feel like I could do something better than this. Just give me thirty thousand dollars. I'll give me forty thousand dollars with inflation now. I c it's honestly I could I'll see what I can do with a thousand. I just I this did make me want to create, which may be a silver lining for the whole.
speaker-0: But I think that's good. That's that's how I felt ⁓ the first time I saw the room so many years ago.
speaker-1: You're like I have to I have to do my masterpiece. Yeah.
speaker-0: I mean, like that was I thought that was my career was making movies so long ago. And ⁓ turns out really fucking expensive to make a movie for everything. Even with like ideas and creativity, it's really fucking hard. That's why I am so generous to ⁓ to filmmakers because it's really fucking hard to make a it's hard.
speaker-1: Amen. Except for that one ⁓ house movie on Netflix you hated.
speaker-0: ⁓ dude, The Last House. That movie fucking sucked. But again, that was a studio movie with imp like Netflix money with big stars that had Greta Lee and ⁓ Wagner Mora in it. That movie should have been better than it was. And it wasn't. It sucked. It sucked so fucking bad.
speaker-1: I think Big Shark should have been better than it was. I think
speaker-0: Shark is better than that movie.
speaker-1: If they
use Greg's script, I think we could've had a modern classic on our hands.
speaker-0: I would watch Big Shark a thousand times over one more time of the last half.
speaker-1: That is wild. But ⁓
speaker-0: I think it would drive me insane, but I think one more the last house viewing would do the same.
speaker-1: I was I was asked this. What movie could you watch ten times in a row if you were forced to? Princess Bright. That's solid. You just just you just on your own voice or
speaker-0: Princess Bride? I think I've done it. A Christmas story I know I've done pretty close to ten times ⁓ on Christmas Day. We would just put it on i in the background.
speaker-1: Can I admit it some? I have never sat through the Christmas story all the way through ever. Not even a Christmas story. Never once. It's always it's all it's always just been around, but I've never seen the whole thing start to finish.
speaker-0: Christmas or never ⁓ my god, that's one of my favorite movies of all time. Movie Ru
speaker-1: I'm just like I just don't wanna look at this little kid. This fuck
speaker-0: ⁓ man. Yeah. ⁓ Ralphie eating his potatoes. ⁓ God, it's so fucking good. Peter Brown seemed kind of turned into a a a douche, but I think he's also lives in Boise.
speaker-1: Many such cases. I I haven't seen ⁓ in my travel.
speaker-0: Well he's yeah. Maybe you wouldn't I mean, maybe you saw him and you just didn't know. He's kind of an unassuming, boring looking white guy.
speaker-1: Yeah, many we have a lot of those.
speaker-0: Yeah, exactly. ⁓ he was in another movie called ⁓ The Hoboken Chicken. Peter Bellingsley. That was great. Yeah. Also based on a book.
speaker-1: He's gotta be so like unfathomably rich from just like FX or like cable reruns of Christmas story every year.
speaker-0: Yeah, I mean if he was smart about his back end deals.
speaker-1: Sure. There's maybe an a reality where he wasn't or like his family wasn't and he is being shafted.
speaker-0: I mean he could have been he could have been a Macaulay Culkin.
speaker-1: Yeah. ⁓ now I want to look into that. We'll do a deep dive on it on his ⁓ his financials. ⁓ anything but the shark. Because I d I don't know what else to say on the shark other than it's it has
speaker-0: We can do like Peter's block Billings Vember. And we talk about we discuss the movies of Peter Billings.
speaker-1: Ooh, that's right. I think I think Billings Vember just like gave me like a visceral itch in like the back of my spine.
speaker-0: ⁓ okay. Building semper, that's good.
speaker-1: Spilling Zambur. Sounds like a disease.
speaker-0: Peter Sember, Billings.
speaker-1: Billings V area at the
speaker-0: I'm close. It's I'll get it figured out. Don't worry guys.
speaker-1: You're like the meme of like the the miner like right before the diamonds quitting. Like it's it's it's right there.
speaker-0: It's right there.
speaker-1: God's not a first decide. ⁓ any final thoughts on this fucking masterpiece?
speaker-0: It it fucking it fucking
rules. I had a lot of fun. ⁓ five stars for me. ⁓ yeah, good time. I watched it by myself too. This is a movie that I think is more rewarding with a group of friends that are like minded. But having seen as many bad movies as I have, I found it a ton of fun. And then I was just live texting.
speaker-1: ⁓ I'm sure it is.
speaker-0: ⁓ a friend of mine as I was watching this movie. So that helped. It was almost like watching it with a you know, with a group of people. Things that I thought were so funny, ⁓ became doubly so by sharing it.
speaker-1: Really want Yeah, maybe the group setting was right. was like coming into it, I was already tired. I like took a nap in the middle of it. ⁓ I just it did not deliver it did not deliver the goods like I wanted it to. I I was I was at its level. My I feel like my expectations were were just calibrated correctly and I still except for ⁓ you know, the few scenes like with Captain Joe on the on the rooftop being like we have to take it down by any means necessary, that gun in earnest laugh out of me. The few ⁓ little shark bits and the the water effects like clipping over everyone's shins. It was
speaker-0: Noah, just give yourself another twenty easy years of watching terrible movies and you will be where I am now.
speaker-1: Well, thanks to this podcast, I feel like that's inevitable. It got for better or worse. Yeah.
speaker-0: ⁓ yeah, I I thought it was great. I loved it. ⁓ I was I've been looking forward to watching it. ⁓ my wife left on a work retreat today and as soon as I I think I pushed play before she even got to her car to leave on this trip. I was just like Tommy, ⁓ it's Tommy yeah, it's Tommy time. ⁓ God, it was it was so much so much fun. Is it a good movie? Absolutely not.
speaker-1: My god, you're just like ⁓ It's damage, ⁓
speaker-0: Absolutely not. Is it f a fun movie to watch? Absolutely.
speaker-1: Absolutely not. I also can't tell if I had some buffering. I don't know if that was my stream like cutting out or if that was just the render, like the final render of the movie just chugging sometimes. I really could tell.
speaker-0: You watched it ha so we didn't talk about this. How did you watch it? Did you watch it?
speaker-1: It was on the brand new Tubi ⁓ release.
speaker-0: Yeah. Okay. So I watch it on on T B as well with all the ads. ⁓
speaker-1: I saw Marshawn Lynch eight times. Kalshi. Yeah, I was like, ⁓ if ⁓ if I see Tamisha Chalomet is in the fucking dentist chair again, I might ⁓ cause a scene.
speaker-0: I'm so tired of that. I didn't see that. That wasn't part of of my experience. Yeah.
speaker-1: Yeah, I was like, ⁓ fuck you. It there's one where it's just it's just Timmy Shawme being like, Gull G like in a dentist appointment. I was like, You ⁓ You would.
speaker-0: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yep. He's ⁓ he's looking to make a billion dollars. Both well both him and Kevin Hart and a lot of other Hollywood folks. I know he's actually taking money from ⁓ like grinding commercial actors that are they're just trying to make a living because Kevin Hart is in so many mo like ⁓ not movies, ⁓ commercials he's taking away from
speaker-1: Yeah, 'cause Kevin Hart needs more money.
speaker-0: Those focuses.
speaker-1: Don't like that. Don't really like him. ⁓ but that's
speaker-0: His goal is to is to be a billionaire by fucking now, probably.
speaker-1: I was like, I'm surprised he's already with how much he's sold out. I'm really surprised he's not already there. I'm sure Yeah. At least in assets. Anyway, I don't want to talk about No not a single one.
speaker-0: It is. No good billionaires.
speaker-1: That's a good I don't think Tommy Wiseau is one so we can continue to like him.
speaker-0: No, he's just a multimillionaire. Yeah, just a multi millionaire. He's just a multimillionaire, but he's also like I hear he pays well. He's putting back into the arts. His entire real estate empire seems to be like redirected into this passion of acting and being whatever. Being a star in a sense, and he is.
speaker-1: In there. Yeah.
speaker-0: ⁓ he does a lot of roadshows. I don't think that he has a place that he calls home necessarily. I think it's kind of like his character in the room where he had a place in S Sacramento or wherever he met ⁓ Sestro the first time and then they moved to LA. I think Tommy's probably got a number of properties that are very similar to that.
speaker-1: You can just migrate.
speaker-0: Yeah, where he can just move around and it's just like a cheap a cheap place in whatever town. He's probably got a place here in Oregon as often as he screens movies here.
speaker-1: In Portland, yeah, probably. Yeah. He has to keep his his underwear business ⁓ somewhere. Probably in Portland. There's probably just a warehouse in Portland that's just stacked with underwear crates. Like wooden crates from like the nineteen thirties.
speaker-0: Yeah, in Portland. ⁓ man, it would be really funny if he just wore all of his underwear.
speaker-1: I keep my inventory on me at all times.
speaker-0: That's why he has to have so many belts. That was gonna be my other idea for our bumper was ⁓ something about wearing my best seven belts.
speaker-1: That's pretty good. Unfortunately the song is just too iconic to ignore.
speaker-0: Yeah. Yeah, that song is great.
speaker-1: Great. Great. That was like maybe the best part. Or just the the bewilderment from his co star's ⁓ attempts at singing along with him with no cadence or measure whatsoever.
speaker-0: Okay, so how do we want to wrap this up? ⁓ good movie, ⁓ a lot of fun. I don't think it made its money back. I tried to find its ⁓ its box office? I've been. No, I found its box office. Its box office was thirty thousand. I wanted to find its budget and I couldn't find it. I have no idea what they spent on this movie.
speaker-1: No idea. I thought you said the budget was thirty thousand.
speaker-0: That's what sorry. ⁓ then I if I said that I misspoke. Okay, the box office was thirty thousand.
speaker-1: It could not have been much, but everything costs exorbitant in film.
speaker-0: I mean, if he's paying his actors the same as he paid his actors in in the room, it was probably ten million. That's what this costs. I mean, he no adjust I mean, we're talking twenty twenty three. So barely adjusted for inflation. I mean, that's like w when this was released was three years ago. ⁓
speaker-1: Just Yeah. I I hope you paid everyone well, 'cause my God, they had nothing to work with.
speaker-0: I'd be paid everyone well. I I'm sure that it it costs some money to film in w wherever, downtown New Orleans. That had to have cost money to have shut that place down. True. And then and then there was a band and the all the actors in the theater renting out the theater. There is a little bit of production behind this. It's not a lot. I mean, what did ⁓
speaker-1: House.
speaker-0: ⁓ obsession costs like less than a million.
speaker-1: Yeah, seven hundred thousand is what the
speaker-0: Seven count figure. Yeah. ⁓ same with backrooms. Like back rooms is like two million, two or three million.
speaker-1: Yeah, it was more than obsession. That was kind of a stupid argument between the two. It's like, ⁓ obsession was only five seven hundred thousand. I'm like, it probably was a little bit more than that.
speaker-0: Yeah, ⁓ yeah, I'm sure it was. ⁓ so I th I think this movie, just based on like Tommy's previous experience, I bet this movie was like eight six to eight million. I don't think that he learned a lot of really good lessons from the room. ⁓ which is good, right? I mean it is is as long as he's paying his actors well and he just keeps he he just keeps doing what he's doing.
speaker-1: It's ultimately harmless.
speaker-0: I hope it I hope his real estate business is booming. ⁓ I hope that there's a not an like never an end to his budget.
speaker-1: It also is good that these are actually streaming now 'cause they were just not available for the longest time.
speaker-0: Yeah, I mean to be is yeah. Tubi is like hard hardly what I would yeah, consider streaming, but
speaker-1: It's not it's not the It's better than literally nothing though. Like the room was on YouTube. Like I saw the room on YouTube first. Like 'cause it just was not available outside of the physical editions that cost nine months or take nine months to get to you. So it's it should be a little bit more widely available now. ⁓ go check it out if you so care to brain set. ⁓ continuing the streak of the show being ⁓ the number one to be ⁓ podcast. Yeah. Yeah. So please to be sponsor us, please god.
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speaker-0: To be too be. Watch the movie. Watch both movies. Have fun.
speaker-1: Watch it on that. I'm gonna go f I'm gonna go finish out the best friends trilogy because I didn't know that was a trilogy till today. All right.
speaker-0: Two and three. All right, buddy. Okay. Well I've been Travis.
speaker-1: I've been what is it, Patrick and I'm gonna go put two different gloves on.
speaker-0: ⁓ good. Good. Mm-hmm Love it. Okay. Bye. Bye.
speaker-1: shock humor moments. Like when the boxer's describing the shark just like crashing through the ceiling and crushing
speaker-0: I know, man. The how big the shark was too and how it only ate well, it ate ⁓ Georgie, but then just mostly ate street performers. So there was a guy that was doing Shakespeare, he got gobbled up, and then ⁓ another guy that was just doing ⁓ he wasn't even rapping, it was like one of the drummers or whatever. And like the side and got gobbled up.
speaker-1: Those are just like authentic street performers that they were just filming, I think. ⁓