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00:04:20.560 --> 00:04:23.759 Uh is that is that's in in in full effect for Cuba as well? 00:04:24.079 --> 00:04:24.800 It depends who you ask. 00:04:25.040 --> 00:04:25.360 The U.S. 00:04:25.439 --> 00:04:29.120 would say there is really no oil embargo, but there there is an oil embargo. 00:04:29.279 --> 00:04:34.879 Cuba is not getting shipments of oil, but Cuba's energy problems go beyond the fact that they have no oil. 00:04:35.120 --> 00:04:42.160 Matter of fact, the uh Minister of Energy announced on state television to the Cuban people last week that Cuba was completely out of fuel. 00:04:42.319 --> 00:04:43.120 I'm gonna give you the quote. 00:04:43.199 --> 00:04:45.040 I want to make sure I get this cor uh correct. 00:04:45.199 --> 00:04:50.000 He said, quote, we have absolutely no fuel and absolutely no diesel. 00:04:50.399 --> 00:04:55.759 So they have no no fuel for planes coming to the island, no fuel for keeping the power plants running. 00:04:55.920 --> 00:04:57.680 But the problems go beyond the lack of fuel. 00:04:57.839 --> 00:05:07.920 Even before the fuel was cut off, the the Cuban uh power system is aged, has not been maintained, and the blackouts were happening on on a regular basis. 00:05:08.319 --> 00:05:12.800 Yeah, even if it was status quo, you were still dealing with a shaky infrastructure anyway. 00:05:13.199 --> 00:05:14.639 Yeah, almost beyond shaky. 00:05:14.720 --> 00:05:17.199 Yeah, just a really, uh really uh terrible situation. 00:05:17.439 --> 00:05:22.160 So, of course, caught up in this whole mess are the people of Cuba who, you know, you and I have both been to Cuba. 00:05:22.240 --> 00:05:23.839 We we have friends in Cuba. 00:05:24.000 --> 00:05:30.160 Uh I have no idea how how these ordinary Cuban citizens are able to live under these conditions. 00:05:30.319 --> 00:05:31.519 I feel I feel bad for them. 00:05:31.839 --> 00:05:39.600 Been in the homes of of Cuban citizens and uh seen what they have to live with, or more importantly, what they have to live without. 00:05:39.759 --> 00:05:43.600 I don't know how you re how can you refrigerate your food without power? 00:05:43.839 --> 00:05:51.920 How could you how could you live in a in a tropical climate without a fan to blow some air on you, let alone air conditioning? 00:05:52.000 --> 00:05:59.279 It's uh you know, which when you put it that way, it makes me think, okay, this this this cigar festival is trivial. 00:05:59.439 --> 00:06:01.120 That's the least of their problems. 00:06:01.439 --> 00:06:11.759 And I guess that's true, but at the same time, that festival always brought in a lot of money for the government, for the healthcare system, for the tourism, just for the economy in general. 00:06:11.920 --> 00:06:17.519 So so it it really was helpful to um the enrichment of the country. 00:06:17.839 --> 00:06:24.800 Yes, and whether that where that money went, the the the organizers would say that money would go to the Cuban healthcare system, which obviously would need that money. 00:06:25.040 --> 00:06:42.560 From a cigar perspective, the the Habanos Festival is incredibly important for people like us who cover the Cuban cigar industry, incredibly important for the retailers from around the world who sell Cuban cigars and the distributors who pass them on to the retailers, and for general fans of Cuban cigars. 00:06:42.639 --> 00:06:46.480 Some Americans would go to the festival, but it was a largely uh international audience. 00:06:46.800 --> 00:06:48.079 Yeah, I'd run into some Americans. 00:06:48.399 --> 00:06:52.399 I was always surprised at who I'd run into there, or who I'd run into who I actually knew. 00:06:52.480 --> 00:06:54.319 It's like, the heck are you doing here? 00:06:54.639 --> 00:07:01.120 And you know, people would always ask what's the festival like, and they'd want to compare it to the other cigar festivals like Pro Cigar or Poro Sabor. 00:07:01.279 --> 00:07:01.680 A lot different. 00:07:01.759 --> 00:07:02.399 A lot of different. 00:07:02.720 --> 00:07:07.839 I mean, there are similarities, but there are major differences as well. 00:07:08.160 --> 00:07:20.720 Because with the Nicaragua festival and Dominican festival, one ticket, if if if you're coming in um as a consumer, as a retailer, as an American, and it's it's mostly Americans who go to that. 00:07:20.800 --> 00:07:22.480 They're international, but it's mostly American. 00:07:22.560 --> 00:07:24.480 One ticket gets you access to everything. 00:07:24.800 --> 00:07:29.759 Whereas with the Habanos festival, it is far more international affair. 00:07:30.240 --> 00:07:33.839 And you have to buy different tickets for different events. 00:07:34.000 --> 00:07:39.759 There is no kind of one general admission ticket to to everything. 00:07:40.000 --> 00:07:51.040 And that weeklong festival, there would be a night on with some kind of a gathering uh uh themed around uh a cigar brand or brands, and then there'd be a night off where you kind of explore Havana on your own. 00:07:51.199 --> 00:08:01.680 And I always said that it wasn't as uh organized as, say, the Pro Cigar Festival, which is a wonderful affair where that basically every hour of the day is kind of mapped out for you if you want it to be. 00:08:02.079 --> 00:08:06.000 Almost the best part of the festival was the gathering of these people from around the world. 00:08:06.079 --> 00:08:08.000 So you and I would go there and talk to people. 00:08:08.160 --> 00:08:10.560 One day you'd be talking to somebody from London, someone from Kuwait. 00:08:10.879 --> 00:08:13.759 Yeah, there's some people I'd only see once a year, and it would be at the festival. 00:08:14.000 --> 00:08:14.160 Yeah. 00:08:14.240 --> 00:08:16.879 So you would learn all kinds of things about the Cuban cigar industry. 00:08:17.199 --> 00:08:21.680 But that downtime at the festival is actually one of the keys. 00:08:21.920 --> 00:08:25.759 Uh it it's it's it's kind of an unwritten rule of the

festival. 00:08:25.839 --> 00:08:29.360 In that downtime, um, it's a big shopping trip. 00:08:29.519 --> 00:08:35.440 You have all the Casas del Habano around Havana, and people use that time to go shopping. 00:08:35.600 --> 00:08:39.279 And that is just also distinctly different from the other two festivals. 00:08:39.440 --> 00:08:47.840 You go to Estelia in Nicaragua or Santiago around Tamboril in Dominican Republic, and there aren't that many shops. 00:08:48.000 --> 00:08:51.679 And you don't have to go shopping because they they give you so many cigars. 00:08:51.840 --> 00:09:02.159 I'd say at the Habanos Festival, they give you fewer cigars, but there's a lot of opportunity to stock up on cigars, which goes back to what I was saying before, how this does help enrich the economy. 00:09:02.399 --> 00:09:11.120 However, the last time I went and the last time you went, which was more recently than I went, shelves were a little bare. 00:09:11.679 --> 00:09:12.080 A little. 00:09:12.240 --> 00:09:13.120 They were incredibly bare. 00:09:13.440 --> 00:09:21.360 So Cuba's had a uh, in addition to all their issues with with energy politics, they've had a problem with with cigar production and cigar supply. 00:09:21.440 --> 00:09:25.279 Uh the last time I was in Havana, the shops were largely empty. 00:09:25.440 --> 00:09:35.840 Usually you would go into and and for those who haven't been, uh Havana, uh, as you said, Greg, is a great cigar shopping city, probably one of the greatest cities in the world to traditionally to shop for cigars. 00:09:36.159 --> 00:09:45.519 Yeah, you have both Casas del Habano, Casa de Tabaco, all kinds of you know, the Habano specialist shops, and there's it's like almost every block. 00:09:45.919 --> 00:09:50.639 In good times, in normal times, those shops are filled with cigars, uh, a broad selection of cigars. 00:09:50.799 --> 00:09:55.679 Traditionally at at good prices, we'll talk more about prices in a bit. 00:09:55.840 --> 00:10:02.080 Uh, but on in recent trips, my last trip in in 2025, there was very little on the shelves. 00:10:02.240 --> 00:10:10.000 There was there was some stuff like the higher priced items, like uh some Romeo Linea de Oros and Partigus uh Linea Maestra. 00:10:10.240 --> 00:10:28.559 I remember seeing the only cohibas I remember seeing were either very small sizes, siglo ones and siglo twos, or that that one that was made, uh I think it was called the siglo de oro, the one that the year of the rabbit, the one for year of the rabbit, which was super expensive, came in this this blue outer cardboard box. 00:10:28.720 --> 00:10:30.639 So you'd you'd see stacks of those. 00:10:30.879 --> 00:10:32.240 Nobody was buying those. 00:10:32.399 --> 00:10:34.799 And then you saw the smaller, smaller size. 00:10:34.879 --> 00:10:43.919 And that that was that was true for a lot of the brands, Romeo and Monte Cristo, uh, Monty's uh fours and fives, smaller uh Romeo Coronas. 00:10:44.159 --> 00:10:53.360 But the a Siglo 6, like what you're smoking right now, I saw it at one Casa, one Casa del Habano, and they were not they were only selling it by the stick. 00:10:53.519 --> 00:10:55.679 By that point, it was over a hundred dollars. 00:10:55.840 --> 00:11:08.799 Uh so Esplendidos once um uh saw Monte Cristo number twos in one shop, and again just sold by the individual cigar. 00:11:12.559 --> 00:11:19.759 This episode of the Cigar Visionada podcast is brought to you by the Big Smoke Las Vegas, taking place November 6th and 7th. 00:11:19.840 --> 00:11:21.600 It's the biggest cigar event of the year. 00:11:21.679 --> 00:11:25.919 Two nights of big smoke evenings with the world's most famous cigar starks. 00:11:26.080 --> 00:11:30.480 Incredible spirits, food, and music, all in a cigar-friendly atmosphere. 00:11:30.639 --> 00:11:37.120 Our cigar seminars include a tasting of the number one cigar of the year and a presentation by superstar Guy Fieti. 00:11:37.200 --> 00:11:39.200 It's the Big Smoke Las Vegas weekend. 00:11:39.279 --> 00:11:56.399 You can find out all about it at Las Vegas at BigSmoke.com, so where are all the Cuban cigars? 00:11:56.480 --> 00:11:57.039 What's going on? 00:11:57.120 --> 00:11:59.759 Are there uh what's going on with all the Cuban cigars, Greg? 00:12:00.240 --> 00:12:04.960 There are two issues right now that are really facing that industry. 00:12:05.200 --> 00:12:07.440 One is high prices, the other one is scarcity. 00:12:07.600 --> 00:12:12.639 And the and the scarcity happened with hurricane. 00:12:12.720 --> 00:12:22.000 I'm uh the they always had they always had a hard time for a while now, production keeping up with demand, especially with cohiba. 00:12:22.639 --> 00:12:27.679 But with Hurricane Ian, if you remember, that demolished all the barn. 00:12:27.759 --> 00:12:29.840 I think that was 20, that was the end of 2022. 00:12:30.320 --> 00:12:37.200 Horrible storm went over Pinardel Rio, the prime growing region, didn't strike during uh Cuba's in the hurricane belt. 00:12:37.360 --> 00:12:43.200 Cuba's uh uh they're you're they're used to dealing with hurricanes, so you don't plant tobacco during hurricane season. 00:12:43.279 --> 00:12:46.720 But what was destroyed in that hurricane were the curing barns. 00:12:46.960 --> 00:13:04.720 Yeah, you had farms that had maybe two, three, four barns, and the government was very, very slow in rebuilding these barns because they simply did not have the stuff we take for granted: wood, hammers, nails, nails, yeah, saws. 00:13:05.039 --> 00:13:08.960 Yeah, you can't go down to your your your Havana Home Depot and buy a bucket of nails. 00:13:09.440 --> 00:13:10.159 No, no. 00:13:10.240 --> 00:13:21.200 So what ended up happening was you had Habanos kind of um looking at certain farms and saying, these are the most important farms, you'll get a barn, this farm will get a barn, this farm will get a maybe. 00:13:21.279 --> 00:13:21.840 You had three. 00:13:21.919 --> 00:13:24.480

Well, you only get one, you're gonna have to make do with that. 00:13:24.639 --> 00:13:29.919 Uh the other farms that maybe didn't have such importance, the government would say, well, grow something else. 00:13:30.159 --> 00:13:33.440 And and to your point, no tobacco was destroyed. 00:13:33.600 --> 00:13:38.000 It was but it was the the inability to to um to cure this tobacco. 00:13:38.080 --> 00:13:42.000 And so if you don't have a curing barn, you you you can't grow the same amount of tobacco. 00:13:42.320 --> 00:13:46.960 Yeah, if you don't, you you you could have the hugest tobacco fields in the world. 00:13:47.120 --> 00:13:49.360 If you don't have barns, you don't have tobacco. 00:13:49.600 --> 00:13:52.559 And we saw some of this firsthand when we went to Pernard El Rio. 00:13:52.639 --> 00:13:57.440 We spent time with Maximo, who's one of the great uh Cuban tobacco farmers. 00:13:57.759 --> 00:14:00.799 He was right in ground zero, and he lost, I believe, three. 00:14:00.879 --> 00:14:02.000 He had three barns on his property. 00:14:02.480 --> 00:14:03.519 He had one when we went, right? 00:14:03.679 --> 00:14:06.720 One that had been rebuilt, yeah, and the other two were still on the ground. 00:14:06.879 --> 00:14:10.000 Uh that severely limits his ability to grow tobacco. 00:14:10.080 --> 00:14:15.200 And we saw other farms on the way to Maximo's property that were still destroyed. 00:14:15.360 --> 00:14:20.879 We saw some that had been rebuilt in the kind of an unconventional way with using different materials. 00:14:21.039 --> 00:14:23.360 You could see uh, you know, Cubans are resilient people. 00:14:23.440 --> 00:14:27.440 We we you see how they keep the the old cars from the 50s on the streets. 00:14:27.600 --> 00:14:35.200 So they use tapato or or different building materials to kind of Frankenstein a curing barn back to reality, but that's not the best. 00:14:35.840 --> 00:14:37.519 The wreckage was still at Robinus Farm. 00:14:37.679 --> 00:14:43.039 Remember when we went there and there was still this huge pile of just destroyed structure. 00:14:43.519 --> 00:14:45.919 He told us a story about living through the hurricane. 00:14:46.080 --> 00:14:48.080 He is no stranger to hurricanes. 00:14:48.240 --> 00:14:49.360 He knew this was coming. 00:14:49.600 --> 00:14:58.960 He sent his family away to safety, but he, as is his tradition, he sat out in it under his uh uh gazebo area to ride out the storm. 00:14:59.039 --> 00:15:10.000 And after a while, he realized that roof was about to come down, and he had to dive into his cinder block house to take cover, grabbed his dog, uh, and he said that like the world was coming down around him. 00:15:10.159 --> 00:15:15.360 And he had rebuilt one of his barns, but he had another barn that was still wrecked when we last saw his property. 00:15:15.519 --> 00:15:27.919 And it's really sad to see that so that's one part of the equation, uh, a lack of of the materials, I'm sorry, of the tobacco

that you need to make cigars, but they also have a problem with with the people to roll cigars too, don't they? 00:15:28.320 --> 00:15:33.679 Yeah, there was certainly a uh a shortage with the workforce. 00:15:33.919 --> 00:15:41.360 Now, I know when you have countries like Cuba, these uh these mass exoduses kind of come and go. 00:15:41.519 --> 00:15:44.159 You have Nicaragua was having the same problem for a while. 00:15:44.320 --> 00:15:57.600 Uh Honduras was having a little bit of that problem where people were just up and going doing these long treks either up Central America to come to the U.S., or in the case of Cuba, maybe um um maybe going across the water. 00:15:58.159 --> 00:16:00.399 I don't know what the case is right now. 00:16:00.559 --> 00:16:03.120 That may, again, it it ebbs and flows. 00:16:03.279 --> 00:16:04.799 Uh I'm not exactly sure. 00:16:05.120 --> 00:16:06.000 There's some data. 00:16:06.240 --> 00:16:17.679 Cuba was traditionally a nation of 11 million people, and numbers are tough to come by, accurate numbers are tough to come by, but some estimates say it's down to 10 or maybe even as few as nine million people. 00:16:17.840 --> 00:16:25.120 And the the million or two million people who have left that country, which is a significant amount of their population, it's not uh not older people. 00:16:25.200 --> 00:16:31.679 For the most part, it's younger people, uh, people who would be in the workforce, people who might be uh sitting there making cigars. 00:16:31.840 --> 00:16:41.279 And the last Cuban cigar factory I went to had a number of vacant benches, and they were training some people to try to uh build back up the production. 00:16:41.440 --> 00:16:44.240 But not having enough people to make cigars is a problem. 00:16:44.399 --> 00:16:47.120 Not having the right amount of tobacco to make cigars is a problem too. 00:16:47.440 --> 00:16:52.240 So so then how does an entity like that remain prosperous? 00:16:52.480 --> 00:16:55.519 You have to raise prices, and that's exactly what they did. 00:16:55.679 --> 00:17:06.559 However, I will say the that that monumental price hike that happened in 2022, that was actually before Hurricane Ian. 00:17:07.039 --> 00:17:10.480 I mean, I think some people say, well, the hurricane they had to raise prices. 00:17:10.720 --> 00:17:12.720 Um, that came beforehand anyway. 00:17:12.960 --> 00:17:17.279 Yeah, Cuban cigars are extremely expensive, and we're we're smoking a couple of expensive ones right now. 00:17:17.599 --> 00:17:22.640 We're smoking the two brands that got the that got um hiked up the most. 00:17:23.119 --> 00:17:31.200 So everything got more expensive, but Cohiba and Trinidad went double and triple overnight in May. 00:17:31.440 --> 00:17:32.960 And I think double and triple. 00:17:33.279 --> 00:17:35.759 Yeah, that that changes your buying, that could change your buying habits. 00:17:36.079 --> 00:17:46.319 So that Ciglo 6 that you're smoking right now, when I saw

it in Havana, it was$100 and something dollars, and it's that was a couple years ago. 00:17:46.400 --> 00:17:47.200 It's more than that. 00:17:47.440 --> 00:17:56.640 This is the Trinidad Cabildo de Disney Limitada for 2024, uh, well over$100,$130,$140. 00:17:57.359 --> 00:18:01.359 So part of that price hike was everything was tied to the Hong Kong dollar. 00:18:01.599 --> 00:18:10.480 Those shopping trips that we spoke about before, what was also so attractive about them is it was so much cheaper to buy cigars in Havana. 00:18:10.880 --> 00:18:17.680 So um you had the traditionally expensive markets like Canada, Hong Kong, the UK. 00:18:17.920 --> 00:18:24.640 You had more reasonably priced markets like Spain, Switzerland, and Germany. 00:18:24.799 --> 00:18:29.119 And then you had really the least expensive market of all was in Havana. 00:18:29.200 --> 00:18:32.960 So you could buy cohibas at uh a really reasonable price. 00:18:33.039 --> 00:18:34.319 And that is not anymore. 00:18:34.559 --> 00:18:38.880 Now the other cigars, yes, the other brands, the smaller brands, but not cohiba. 00:18:39.119 --> 00:18:47.759 Cohiba is supposed to cost the same in Havana as it does in Hong Kong, as it does in UK, as it does in Canada, as it does in uh as it does in Switzerland. 00:18:48.000 --> 00:18:56.480 You have local taxes um and and different regulations in different countries that will maybe raise the price a little bit more, but we're talking about base MSRP. 00:18:56.720 --> 00:19:00.160 I mean,$100 is what some people would pay for a box of cigars. 00:19:00.480 --> 00:19:02.799 And uh, you know, I've been smoking cigars for a long time. 00:19:02.960 --> 00:19:07.200 So it in my mind,$100 is a is a pretty good price for cigars. 00:19:07.440 --> 00:19:11.839 There are still some bargains in the world of Cuban cigars, not the ones that we're smoking now. 00:19:12.240 --> 00:19:13.200 No, no, no, name some of them. 00:19:13.440 --> 00:19:14.079 No, no, not at all. 00:19:14.160 --> 00:19:16.000 And I and I just want to be clear. 00:19:16.400 --> 00:19:22.799 Prices went up for for all the brands, but not as precipitously as they did with with Cohiba and Trinidad. 00:19:23.279 --> 00:19:30.880 So some of the smaller brands are still um, I wouldn't call them cheap, but they're cheap by comparison. 00:19:31.039 --> 00:19:38.400 So if you get a Bolivar, uh Boulevard Bellicoso or a Partiga Serie D number four. 00:19:38.640 --> 00:19:40.319 Yeah, the most popular cigar made in Cuba. 00:19:40.400 --> 00:19:43.359 Yeah, they're gonna cost you around 35 pounds or something like that. 00:19:43.519 --> 00:19:49.279 Still not cheap, but but um cheap when you consider the alternative, uh, Juan Lopez, St. 00:19:49.359 --> 00:19:54.000 Louis Rey, these smaller brands that can deliver a really nice smoking experience. 00:19:54.240 --> 00:19:55.279 Raphael Gonzalez. 00:19:56.079 --> 00:19:56.880 If you could find them. 00:19:57.119 --> 00:19:59.119 If you could find

a Raph Gonzalez, sure. 00:19:59.279 --> 00:20:00.880 Um La Gloria Cubana. 00:20:01.279 --> 00:20:02.240 The hard to find, too. 00:20:02.319 --> 00:20:02.480 Yeah. 00:20:02.640 --> 00:20:08.400 Speaking of hard to find, it's not just Cuba where these cigars, where all Cuban cigars are hard to find. 00:20:08.480 --> 00:20:10.079 Uh it's a worldwide problem. 00:20:10.400 --> 00:20:13.200 Okay, I I went to Paris not too long ago. 00:20:13.599 --> 00:20:21.440 It was uh last year, and when I went, I went to one of the premier tobacconists there, uh Alessavet. 00:20:22.000 --> 00:20:29.200 When I went and walked into that humidor, I would say it was about 85% non-Cuban. 00:20:29.440 --> 00:20:32.880 And the 15 years ago. 00:20:33.279 --> 00:20:49.119 The Cubans were in a small section as soon as you walked into the left, uh, maybe two small cohiba sizes, uh, the new Romeos, um, some Hoyota Monterey, but the rest of that humidor was Dominican, Honduran, some Nicaraguan. 00:20:49.440 --> 00:20:58.559 And so I would say is about 15, 85, 15, whereas uh five, six years prior, it would have been the opposite. 00:20:58.960 --> 00:21:04.640 Lots of problems, lots of issues, rapidly changing issues facing Cuba. 00:21:04.880 --> 00:21:16.319 Obviously, cigars are a small part of that when you think about what the Cuban people are going through, but of course, all those issues have a direct effect on the Cuban cigar production and what's going on. 00:21:16.640 --> 00:21:22.000 We don't know how it's gonna be resolved, but and it's changing considerably and quite often. 00:21:22.400 --> 00:21:24.720 Well, do you think it speaks to quality at all? 00:21:24.960 --> 00:21:26.480 I mean, how's that cigar? 00:21:26.960 --> 00:21:27.599 This cigar is great. 00:21:27.680 --> 00:21:29.200 We rated it at 94 points. 00:21:29.279 --> 00:21:30.720 It's smoking beautifully. 00:21:31.279 --> 00:21:35.440 Some people think that uh just because a cigar is Cuban, it's gonna be a great cigar. 00:21:35.599 --> 00:21:37.279 Our ratings prove that's not the case. 00:21:37.359 --> 00:21:40.960 But I always say that when Cuba gets it right, they do it an incredible job. 00:21:41.119 --> 00:21:42.559 How's that Trinidad could build us? 00:21:42.799 --> 00:21:48.079 What we rated this uh right around the time it came out, I think at 91 points. 00:21:48.400 --> 00:21:54.880 It it it has almost two years of age on it, as I mentioned before, and that that age has has certainly done it well. 00:21:55.039 --> 00:21:59.680 I would I I'd probably rate it a little higher than that, a little stronger than typical Trinidad. 00:22:00.240 --> 00:22:05.759 ads and and that is usually the case with the Edicion Limitadas. 00:22:06.160 --> 00:22:08.319 You have an unusual size. 00:22:08.400 --> 00:22:11.839 This is a 46 ring gauge, which kind of concentrates it a bit. 00:22:12.000 --> 00:22:20.240 And then you have a darker wrapper, which uh in the case of the Cuban Edicion Limitadas means uh it makes it a little stronger, a little bolder. 00:22:20.559 --> 00:22:27.279 So this is like uh Trinidad Plus and I love the size, especially when Trinidad has so many of those super fat sizes. 00:22:27.440 --> 00:22:29.599 I uh I love this 46 ring gauge. 00:22:29.920 --> 00:22:32.160 Well it's a pleasure to be smoking these cigars. 00:22:32.240 --> 00:22:42.480 Uh we'll be following this Cuba situation very closely on cigarvisionado.com and uh we'll probably revisit the the subject of Cuba on a future podcast. 00:22:42.880 --> 00:22:50.559 And who knows, maybe at the end of the year they'll rally and and have a smaller festival like they did a couple years ago for Cohiba but uh we'll just have to wait and see. 00:22:50.799 --> 00:22:57.920 Follow along on cigarvisionado.com for news updates and be sure to join us again for the next Cigar Vicionado podcast. 00:22:58.079 --> 00:23:04.559 Subscribe see us on YouTube, Apple Spotify and of course on CigarVicionado.com I'm David Savona. 00:23:04.720 --> 00:23:05.680 I'm Greg Matola. 00:23:05.759 --> 00:23:08.160 Thanks for joining us in the Cigar Vicionado Lounge