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Hello, welcome to another episode of 42 Storms Podcast.
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I am your host, Joseph and Wonder.
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That's L-E-N-A-R-T of the front of Now that's one of the down and oh thank you for tuning in as Brando on his show.
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Let's get over the show.
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Joining me again today, back for another time.
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He was here on September 26th of 2024, and I found I was referencing that episode in not just my own shows, but other shows I'd be on, talking about my fifth life and living series of books, roller coasters The Life Kind, about human nature and humankind, and indeed our animal side.
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So back he was here in September 2024, as I said, to discuss the inner animal, which happens to be the title of this book.
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Welcome back, Leslie Hall.
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How are you?
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Thanks for having me, man.
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Has it been that long?
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Was it September of 24?
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Yeah, I know.
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Hard to believe.
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How worse the time gone?
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I have no concept of time anymore, man.
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Everything seems like it was yesterday and a lifetime ago at the same time.
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I I hear you.
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It's uh Einstein was right.
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It's all relative.
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It's all relative.
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So it's all relative, man.
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So refresh people's memory if they hadn't seen, or tell people if they hadn't seen that original episode.
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Where were you born and raised and where are you now?
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That sort of thing.
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I w I was born in Mobile, Alabama, uh, raised over in Baldwin County, just across the bay, little town called Baymanette.
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And uh, you know, small town community.
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Uh, everybody knew everybody, you know, um roughly 300 folks in my grad 350 folks in my graduating class.
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And uh it was just a real nice place to grow up.
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There's um a massive playground there with a five river delta system that has, you know, a couple hundred thousand acres of cypress swamps and wildlife, and um then Mobile Bay and then the Gulf of Mexico, all right there.
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So uh just massive playground.
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One of the more, I think actually the most biodiverse place in the entire country, uh, is that Mobile Tinsall River Delta right there.
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So I've been I was very fortunate to to
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grow up in a place where I could really close to the wild part of the the part of the world that's still wild and can my audience knows my lame humor.
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I can't pass.
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You get to me when you get to the bio de chorus, but uh bum, right?
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Verse chorus, never mind, continue, continue, continue.
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Uh that was that was actually um something to be proud of there, man.
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Um so that was that was uh, you know, I was a baseball player growing up.
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I was born into a baseball family.
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That's what I you know envisioned myself doing.
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And I was fortunate enough to play into college, you know, and uh and made some lifelong friends.
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Uh when I hung up my baseball cleats, I really got uh I sunk into the music side of my being and finished college and ended up getting a job and then ended up training my replacement for that job to chase this musical rabbit that I've been chasing this entire time.
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I'm currently in Nashville.
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I moved here in 2012 and lived here for nearly a decade.
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Ended up going back to Alabama uh after COVID.
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I survived COVID, but uh I was gonna have to rebuild, and my family was getting older and needing some help.
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So I thought that was the best time to go on back.
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And if I was gonna rebuild, I was gonna rebuild there.
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And that was working great until one of my friends from up here in Nashville called and said, Man, my my tour is really getting out of hand.
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It's growing out of my control.
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Can you come help me keep the wheels on the bus?
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And I told him no to start with because I was I was on the trail.
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I was just about to publish that book that you referenced.
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Uh, it's called Tracking Our Inner Animal.
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Uh, the subtitle is A Next Level Understanding of What It Means to Be Human.
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The uh light that I've been trying to shine, the the uh message that I've been trying to amplify is one of I found it.
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I'm not sure it's the only way to peace and fulfillment, but it it's worked, it's done a hell of a good job for me to maintain my inner peace, my mental health, my relationships, my understanding of the world, and amongst all this chaos that we see today, you know.
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Um if you if you do not think the world is in chaos, uh, I envy you.
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Um but it's uh it's uh you know, there's a lot of moving moving pieces and a lot of moving parts and the velocity of information and you know the the uh the way the algorithm spot responds to us as human beings.
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Um we live in a weird time and it's it's tough to there, there are a lot of people that are you know losing their minds these days just due to the sheer velocity of information and the and that the hack that it's trying to do on our nervous system to retain our attention.
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And that hack for me, perspective shift, was when I realized that I'm I'm really an animal first and a human second.
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Uh reacting is easy, thinking is hard.
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And so once I realized some still haven't mastered the concept of using their brain, so but that's and the thing is, some of us never will.
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Some of us never will.
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You just have to learn how to dance with the world as it is, not how it ought to be.
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Not what we think should be there, but what is actually there.
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You know, I I've I face far less resistance in this world, uh, and I get so much more out of it, uh so much more of what I want out of it, and way less of what I don't want out of my own personal world, that it seems I hope this doesn't sound arrogant when I say it, but it seems selfish for me to not try to spread this message, uh, this perspective that I see through, because it it really does it most importantly, man, in my in my personal relationships, everything from family to friends to uh romantic interest, uh it helps me understand where the other person is coming from and what is what is moving their emotions, what's got their animal all worked up.
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And so that I can soothe the animal enough to talk to the human.
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Same thing I do for myself, you know.
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Um, my message is not about killing the inner animal, it's about learning the inner animal.
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It's about learning how to hear what the animal can say when it doesn't have the use of language.
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You know that.
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Uh, you know, how many times have you asked someone, you know, what's what's wrong with you?
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And they say nothing, nothing.
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They they can't ar there's something there, but they can't articulate it because the animal doesn't have any language.
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The animal doesn't have the use of human tools like uh logic and reason and uh time in an abstract form and language and and all these kind of upper level cognitive type of of processes.
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The animal has instinct and emotion, and it has five biological senses to interpret the environment that it navigates.
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And uh when those senses
detect a threat, there's a reaction, an animal reaction.
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And it might not be a smart one.
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Um, you know, I've I grew up, uh spent my early adult years playing in the bars and the restaurants and the clubs all around the Gulf Coast.
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And I can't tell you how many times I see someone, I've seen someone who's uh, you know, like me, five foot nothing, a hundred and nothing, and uh, you know, they've been kicked out of the bar because they they drank too much, and they're threatening a six foot six, you know, roided out bouncer.
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And that, you know, so that I I I would look at that and I would say, that makes absolutely no sense.
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But that little dude can't shut up.
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What's going on there?
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You know, it's it's almost like I'm gonna hearken this as a comparison.
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You meet dogs on the street, it isn't usually the big dogs that are aggressive and go at you.
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They're, you know, kind of confident and self-assured, but it's always the little ones that write have an oversized ego and a chip on their shoulder and yappy, yappy, yappy, right.
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Yeah, the chihuahuas are the poster board for that.
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Yeah, aggressive and mean and yeah.
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I that's kind of a mirror in a way, yes.
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I I use I use the uh the matter of fact, uh one of the first uh one of the first revelations, ideas about this connection between the human and the animal that ever popped in my uh brain was um I saw an interaction with a dude at a bar one night, and uh that's a the I think I think I might have told that story on the first podcast.
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I can't remember.
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It's one that I that I uh talk about a lot because it's one of the first made me raise my eyebrow type of thing.
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But the the point of that was I I told my friend afterwards, I said, I bet if I took every dude I've ever known and every dog I've ever known, I bet I could find a one-to-one personality match.
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And that's exactly right.
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Uh another fun fact, before uh I really uh before I realized I couldn't do organic chemistry, I wanted to be a vet because I love, I've always loved animals so much.
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I I was born into a family that had, you know, dogs as pets.
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And so from the time I my family tells stories about me taking a bite of my cracker and feeding a bite to the dog and then taking, you know what I'm saying?
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So I always as far as I'm concerned, I'm brothers with the species.
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So I use a lot of dog analogies, but uh but I wanted to be a vet, and I worked at a vet's uh office for a couple of summers, and I we were also the city pound, and so I worked around all these dogs that you know were some were some were street dogs and some some were there for quarantine because they had bit somebody.
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The only time I ever got bit myself was by a chihuahua.
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But you you hit on something that's very important competent dogs versus not confident dogs.
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The same thing translates to us, you know, the the the individual who is confident in their ability, in their stance, in their uh for for me, I like to say my ability to navigate consciously through any type of water, you know, when you have that kind of core confidence, you're hard to shake.
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And somebody over here barking at you is not gonna make you bark back.
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Whereas if if uh you're looking for attacks because you're so uncompetent in your being and your capabilities and your ability to navigate people and spaces, then the moment some another dog barks, you're gonna bark right back because it's a challenge to everything you believe you're trying to believe about yourself.
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And that's a that's a place that a lot of people are in, and I can't imagine that it's a peaceful place where everything is a potential threat.
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Uh one thing that this perspective does for me is it helps me identify what is a what is a what is a real threat and what is an empty threat.
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What do I need to be concerned with and what do I absolutely not need to be concerned with?
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And that type of clarity keeps me from wasting a lot of my energy.
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The world that I want to live in is surrounded by people who are far more peaceful.
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Having a good time here versus trying to fight everything that appears in their immediate uh range of their biological senses, you know.
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So would you say the root of all this has always been there in your music, and eventually you felt it had to come out in a book, and you're continuing the music in that that same kind of thought, or did was it different, and then a light bulb came on?
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It was uh music was music there for a long time, and I and I didn't I didn't have this insight to myself that I could share for others that might give them insight to themselves, which would give them the clarity and the and the peace that I walk around with every day.
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But a funny thing, they can't they they have kind of merged.
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Uh matter of fact, um I'm actually in Nashville now at one of my friend's house.
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I stay here sometimes in in between uh getting on the bus.
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I see it's a studio of some sort because I can see the uh mixer and the speaker and the back.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, this is for those viewing on video.
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If you're not watching on video, describe it for people.
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Uh so well, there's a um a pair of Yamaha NS10s in here, which are a very uh work course, very famous sounding uh studio monitors.
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There's uh another set of speakers here called PMC, and they're they're really rich and really clear.
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There's a for uh musical nerds, there's a 500 series uh rack or chassis right here that has some uh gear and it has a Neve preamp in it and some other pieces.
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If you're not if you're not a music nerd, none of that's gonna mean anything to you.
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But but if you are a music nerd, that's gonna mean a whole bunch to you because there's some cool pieces in here.
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But uh, so I'm staying here.
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I we we just got so I I rolled around with a musical artist, a friend, uh one of my closest friends in life.
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He was my first friend when I moved to Nashville.
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His name is Larry Fleet.
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Uh his big song.
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I think I'm pretty sure I have him in my catalog speaking.
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Um I'm pretty pretty sure I'll have to look up uh after we're done here and make sure.
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And so I have Monday, and then I have to run again.
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So uh it's it's a little bit hectic this time of year, but uh it's it's it's quite an adventure, and I really wouldn't have it any other way.
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Is there another book in the works?
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Uh I have the ideas for the next two books.
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Um so with me, uh, you know, it's it's funny.
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I've you know, like if life is walking up a hill and you're carrying your treasure that you've picked up in this world, uh, I have the musical stuff that I that I like to work on, and I have the I have the book now that I would really I really need to be marketing a little harder than I am.
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Um give the title again.
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So yeah.
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It's called it's called Tracking Our Inner Animal, a next level understanding of what it means to be.
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Which is what attracted you to me, the human nature, the human condition indeed understanding.
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Despite all our modern technology, we're still uh slightly more intelligent than the other animals and try to engage in logic and reason.
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But as we joke, there's a
whole lot of people still don't use their brain.
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And I I like to talk about reality.
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Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but it matters if your opinion is fact, evidence, reality based, or unicorn fart fantasy delusion nonsense.
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Yes, that's right.
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That's right.
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Um, you know, and I the the more the older I get and the more conscious I am about navigating, the more I am certain I know very little.
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There are there are so many moving parts, there are so many different emotions that are acted on.
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And you know, from one perspective, the logic might say this, from another perspective, the logic might say that.
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And so um the thing that I try to do is try to be uh aware of myself, aware of my surroundings, aware of the other animals in my surroundings, and treat what is the same thing.
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You know what I'm saying?
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I I gotta break in with Lane Pun.
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You remember the divino song I touch myself?
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You need to do a weird owl style parody.
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I'm aware of myself.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You know, I wasn't as stupid as that was, I can't resist.
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Yeah, I would that would help me spread my message for sure.
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Um uh I I started thinking about what that would sound like in a long time.
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Oh I've infested your brain.
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Sorry.
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Um what was I saying right before that, and I'll try to pick back up if if we can remember.
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If not, we'll start on another tangent.
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Now my OCD brain just abandoned it.
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Yeah.
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But it was a playoff of uh unicorn fart fantasy delusion that some people want to think is substitute reality.
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So the point I remember the point I was making.
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So I I was able to release the book, uh, get it get it published and and uh released.
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Uh I chose to self-publish after I read about me being involved in the music business and then reading about the publishing business.
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I thought, no, I'm just gonna keep I'm gonna keep the ownership of this one.
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Um, whether or not that's a good decision or a bad decision, you know, what time will tell.
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But uh pros and cons to everything.
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But once I got that book published, it was time to go back down the hill and pick up my musical bucket and bring it back up.
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And so that's I've been in Nashville a lot.
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I've been doing some recording, um, and uh hopefully to release something this year.
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Uh the point of that being, you ask if the music was separate or in the book, you know, if it was all separate, if it's the same thing.
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Well, as time has gone, it's starting to merge itself because one of the songs that I intend on recording next is a song called Slip the Chain.
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And it says, uh, there's a chain around your neck, a stake buried in the ground, put there to keep you in, designed to hold you down.
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There's a chain around your neck to ensure that you behave there to cage the animal, there to stop escape.
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And it, but then the you know, the the chorus is talking about um never knowing beyond the fence, um, barking at the dark and and that sort of thing.
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And the idea is to slip the chain and be able to see yourself, and then the world becomes yours.
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You're not caged in by some imaginary uh emotional boundary that you've set, a fear that's not real, that you've interpreted as real.
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You can actually see yourself, discover yourself, and discover the world that you live in too.
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And so the they are merging themselves together.
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I'm hoping that uh if I can get one fire lit, it'll ignite the other fire.
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But um, until then, I'm just gonna keep gathering wood for for both fires.
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Yeah, so well, you can kind of try to merge them into one bigger bonfire if the next album is called Inner Animal.
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And they'll they'll go the the book will promote the album, the album will promote the book, you'll have a symmetry there.
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Have you thought that far ahead?
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Or I I do see a lot of symbiosis between the two.
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Uh, the common element in both of them is me.
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Um, and my message is the same.
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Well, that's the downside, but we'll look past that, right?
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I'm joking, people.
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I'm just teasing, I'm just teasing the guy, okay?
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Let's lighten up.
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I come from a from a family who um shows love in two ways.
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We we serve each other and we pick on each other.
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So I can I can take it.
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I can do some too, so be careful.
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Amen.
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Amen.
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I
hear you.
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If I didn't pick on you, then worry.
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It means something was wrong.
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Right, exactly.
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I don't care about you anymore enough to pick on you.
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Exactly.
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The tease, to joke, loving jabs, exactly.
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That's right.
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We're we're animals, we need to play.
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You said that you found yourself quoting our previous episode.
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Do you um is there anything in particular that that really resonated with you?
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Well, just the overall concept with now my fifth.
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You can see on the screen there, roller coasters, the lifeguard, the fifth in the life and living series books.
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I'm constantly bringing up human nature and human condition over our indeed our our animal side over our preferred, hopefully better.
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I can imagine I'll be in my four season and flying back in that twenty twenty-four broadcast.
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It was so good.
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It was that good.
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Why I had to have you back.
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I'm down to come on anytime I enjoy these conversations and I can certainly talk about the inner animal any chance I get as long as I as long as I get.
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And I've I've been fortunate I've worked with um you know I've been able to talk this concept with uh numerous people and I've actively coached um you know a couple of famous people uh and uh and a few a handful of name drop just to be on the safe side I'm gonna say no uh until I have you know express written consent from the National Football League.
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Wink wink narea And so uh you know I've uh uh you know corporate people the the C-suite people that uh are really in charge of of some of big things and a lot of people and um and help them navigate their space and how to get the most out of their employees, how to understand where their employees are coming from, and then how to help retrain them to uh to see the bigger picture of the of the organization versus fighting for their own survival and to be able to recognize the difference between the two and then to move forward with uh with some clarity and some purpose and some intention versus just um you know reacting to whatever shots are fired or fires or started, you know what I'm saying?
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You imagine the NFL uh and we talked about the comparison.
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Go back and watch that episode and they have questions, or maybe they're struggling in their life and would like maybe a little more clarity looking through this lens in particular.
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Um my Instagram is Leslie Jackson Hall, L E S L E E Jackson Hall, H A L L You know, connect with me there if you'd like to, shoot me a message.
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This perspective is it's it's a practice because uh you know no no one's perfect.
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Uh it's it's learning how to dance with the inner animal, maybe retrain the inner animal if we need to.
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And to know when to take the leash off.
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Perfectly Do you have a website or do you want to?
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Um I'm working on driving people to the IG.
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Okay, yeah.
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Instagram is the way to go right now.
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Um I'm gonna be doing some work as soon as I finish this recording, then I'm gonna switch my focus back to the book.
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I'll have to go back and get the book bucket and drag it up the hill a little ways, you know, and then I'll get it and then I'll go back and pick up the YouTube.
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So now though, I've gotta ask Jackson.
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What's the origin of the middle name now?
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Um Jackson, or do we have no I use Leslie Jackson Hall kind of as a professional name?
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My name is Leslie Edward Jackson Hall.
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Um the story behind that, real quick, is um I was gonna be named Edward Jackson after Edward was my dad's middle name, my other grandfather's middle name, Jackson was my paternal grandfather's middle name.
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And then right before I was born, my great-grandfather uh kind of guilt-tripped my parents into uh needing a namesake, and so they added Leslie to the front of it after him.
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So Leslie Edward Jackson Hall, that's that's how I get it.
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So I'm named after all the all the dudes in my family that came before me.
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You have to come back and win the next cable.
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That'll work.
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That'll work.
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I yelled, I screamed, I was able to promise our hearts together would grow now.
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Silence screams in my head.
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Every word I wish I'm said.
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I professed how my heart swelled at your touch, but still putting you through hell To roll the coast of tears falling down my face Fighting all my fears in this only space To roll the coast of tears Never again to embrace Roll the Coast of Tears Hello I can't replace that night Sirens will flashing light My world went dark No sun, no bright, just endless wrong, no end inside of my anger burn my foolish pride Nowhere left for me to hide I Long to kiss your sweet lips God through my feet all the costs All in the face by all the costs I can bless undying love till
dust but alas I was never worthy of your trust Now these nightmares won't let me be I was blind I could not see Roller Costis falling down my face biting my fears still in space Roller Coast that is your god No trap Roller Cold status A lot I can replace The story is over But yet again I have to live on keep your legacy alive, my love, my friend Golster tears falling down my face lost in this lonely space, you've got no trace Hello I can replace with only one last time.
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I could see Life has its ups and downs, like a tilt of work and spin us around Life like an amusement park, but not always too amusing Ups, downs, happy and sad, cycles and season sometimes lost, others feel found away it can turn around Hold on Don't let go You can be fast Morning country Then the day leans hard One foot in the dust One hand on the bust Some days break you open Some days let you breathe Still the wheel keeps moving Still you have to round Let go to the ground You feel You can be found Season after season we don't arrive Everything teach us how to climb So when the wall gets heavy now What spins you down today can turn around It can turn around It can turn around Up to the sky Down in the ground It can turtle It can turn around Oh you feel You can be found It can turn around It can turn around It can turn around Roller coasters Life has its ups and downs Like a tilt a world can spin us around life Life like an amusement park but not always too amusing Ups downs happy cycles and season sometimes lost others few or found Wait it can turn around Life isn't a straight line It twists It soars It drops without warning But it's in those heart pounding moments of the climbs and the falls that we discover who we truly are rollercoasters The Life Kind A book by Joseph M.
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Leonard available now on Amazon as a family friend I cannot wait to meet you I feel already know yeah waited and prayed watched the calendar turn now a brand new heartbeat has made their whole world turn little hands and tiny feet a gift straight from above God already knew you formed you in his love We anxiously await thee little one so dear A blessing in the making Your arrival drawing Legacy lives on New page in the story The journey's just begun Respectfully Family for death You greatest mom and dad Father Best and Lied But the God Congratulations only Congratulations Mom and Dad Don't doubt you'll be still a future college grand speak on Shining bright and strong with God's hand upon you You can never go wrong They'll teach you how to pray, how to love and how to give, how to stand up Even when alive makes you bell Rooted deep in the faith in the values they hold true every hug, every less point your heart toward what is good, so good, proper life to live from the ones who came before you to the ones still yet to be.
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Now it'll roll through thee, a Christian home or praying hard.
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That's the greatest gift of all.
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A future full promise never gonna be the same legacy content in this boy's song.
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We thank the Lord above for bringing him into Welcome to the world, sweet legacy content.
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God bless you, little one for the man in the mirror in our great USA nation! MJ hit it right! In his man in the mirror tune, as well as Springfield in his prayer tune.
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If America is to have a revival, it has to start with you and then me too! So I send the prayer to start with me!
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A revival for the people in the day, another day, another day, no matter what we're doing, but we did last two dance bosses.
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